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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:36,000 Auto-Translated from Portugees and synced for [WEBRip] [YTS.MX] 2 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:26,886 Teenagers are committing more and more violent crimes. 3 00:01:27,094 --> 00:01:28,471 In the last ten years, 4 00:01:28,596 --> 00:01:31,474 number of murders by teenagers aged 14 to 17... 5 00:01:31,558 --> 00:01:32,684 went up by 6 00:01:32,809 --> 00:01:34,311 incredible 165%. 7 00:01:34,602 --> 00:01:36,604 As a judge, if I have the opportunity 8 00:01:36,688 --> 00:01:39,691 to prosecute a juvenile offender as an adult, I will. 9 00:01:39,774 --> 00:01:42,609 If You are a teen, convicted of murder, rape... 10 00:01:42,769 --> 00:01:44,821 ...or violence against children or the elderly, 11 00:01:44,987 --> 00:01:48,658 You can expect me to impose the maximum sentence allowed by law. 12 00:01:48,741 --> 00:01:51,827 Mark Ciavarella, a judge to protect us all. 13 00:01:53,913 --> 00:01:55,039 Raise your right hand. 14 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:59,169 You, Mark A. Ciavarella Jr., solemnly swear 15 00:01:59,252 --> 00:02:03,548 who will support and defend the Constitution of the United States... 16 00:02:15,017 --> 00:02:18,855 After Columbine, I went to schools 17 00:02:19,146 --> 00:02:23,109 and explained to the students that we have a zero tolerance policy. 18 00:02:26,529 --> 00:02:29,073 I instruct the parole department 19 00:02:29,199 --> 00:02:32,702 not to tolerate violence in schools, 20 00:02:33,035 --> 00:02:34,537 guns in schools, 21 00:02:34,704 --> 00:02:36,456 and I didn't want drugs in schools. 22 00:02:36,831 --> 00:02:38,583 Judge Ciavarella's policies win increasing praise 23 00:02:38,666 --> 00:02:40,585 and community support. 24 00:02:40,668 --> 00:02:41,878 I told them that schools 25 00:02:41,961 --> 00:02:43,963 couldn't be ruined by 2% of young people 26 00:02:44,171 --> 00:02:46,132 that destroyed for the other 98%. 27 00:02:50,970 --> 00:02:53,640 I swear on the life of me I don't understand how that was such a bad thing. 28 00:03:00,813 --> 00:03:03,024 I fought at school 29 00:03:04,025 --> 00:03:06,611 and I knew there would be problems. 30 00:03:06,694 --> 00:03:08,070 You can't fight. 31 00:03:09,572 --> 00:03:14,035 I wish I could go back in time and start over. 32 00:03:16,078 --> 00:03:17,539 I'm not a child anymore. 33 00:03:18,623 --> 00:03:19,916 Life goes on. 34 00:03:19,999 --> 00:03:23,336 That's what I tell myself, life goes on. 35 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:18,475 When groups like you come here to tour the court 36 00:04:18,558 --> 00:04:20,352 and know what happens in Luzerne County, 37 00:04:20,435 --> 00:04:22,437 he is always the highlight of the tour. 38 00:04:22,645 --> 00:04:25,982 He is not only the judge, but he also takes care of 39 00:04:26,107 --> 00:04:28,067 of all minor cases. 40 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:30,695 All the young people who come to court 41 00:04:30,778 --> 00:04:32,655 are judged by Judge Ciavarella. 42 00:04:33,155 --> 00:04:38,035 And he has a wonderful and important message for you this morning. 43 00:04:38,119 --> 00:04:40,497 I present to you the Chief Justice of Luzerne County, 44 00:04:40,580 --> 00:04:42,081 the illustrious Mark Ciavarella. 45 00:04:42,164 --> 00:04:43,165 Judge. 46 00:04:43,249 --> 00:04:47,379 Run 47 00:04:47,545 --> 00:04:49,506 Thank you, Cathy. Good Morning. 48 00:04:50,715 --> 00:04:51,883 It's a pleasure to be here today... 49 00:04:53,092 --> 00:04:56,388 ...and it's a pleasure to see each of you 50 00:04:56,679 --> 00:04:58,681 and be able to send a message 51 00:04:58,973 --> 00:05:00,517 which I hope you will listen. 52 00:05:02,309 --> 00:05:05,229 I don't know what life has in store for you. 53 00:05:05,688 --> 00:05:09,526 I don't know what life has in store for me from this moment on. 54 00:05:10,943 --> 00:05:12,737 But I know there's only one person... 55 00:05:15,156 --> 00:05:17,033 ...one person in the whole world 56 00:05:17,534 --> 00:05:20,036 who can control what happens to me. 57 00:05:22,204 --> 00:05:23,205 That's me. 58 00:05:24,206 --> 00:05:26,626 And there's only one person in your life 59 00:05:26,918 --> 00:05:29,336 who can control what happens to you. 60 00:05:30,963 --> 00:05:32,339 And that's You 61 00:05:33,966 --> 00:05:35,967 Regardless of the past... 62 00:05:36,970 --> 00:05:39,681 ...regardless of the sins they committed, 63 00:05:40,389 --> 00:05:42,767 you cannot go back and undo them. 64 00:05:43,184 --> 00:05:44,268 Today you will have the opportunity... 65 00:05:45,603 --> 00:05:47,063 ...to experience 66 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,232 what happens to people in prison. 67 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:55,112 If you think it's worth it, I'll put you there. 68 00:05:56,489 --> 00:05:58,865 My parents bought me a motorbike. 69 00:06:00,117 --> 00:06:01,828 And it ended up being stolen. 70 00:06:02,203 --> 00:06:04,706 They paid $250 for it. 71 00:06:05,331 --> 00:06:08,543 I had it for two weeks. 72 00:06:08,876 --> 00:06:12,088 I think someone saw me walking with her and recognized her, 73 00:06:12,254 --> 00:06:14,048 and the police came to my house. 74 00:06:14,423 --> 00:06:18,368 They read the serial number and discovered it was stolen. 75 00:06:19,887 --> 00:06:24,767 It just so happened that I bought something that had been stolen. 76 00:06:26,310 --> 00:06:28,354 I tried to say there was something wrong 77 00:06:28,437 --> 00:06:30,982 and they said I was an overprotective mother. 78 00:06:31,273 --> 00:06:33,985 I said, "I don't know what that means, 79 00:06:34,068 --> 00:06:36,613 but I just want my son home." 80 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,868 I was 12 years old and I wanted to take my little brother to the bus stop. 81 00:06:41,951 --> 00:06:44,286 When I was 12, I talked more than I should. 82 00:06:44,829 --> 00:06:46,914 I fought with the mother of a little girl. 83 00:06:46,998 --> 00:06:49,041 She said, "You shouldn't talk like that..." 84 00:06:49,125 --> 00:06:51,377 She wasn't as nice as I am being. 85 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:52,545 School Incidence Report 86 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:54,672 We got into a big fight, you know, "F...you" nonstop. 87 00:06:54,756 --> 00:06:57,049 You know, it passed. It was no big deal and I went to school. 88 00:06:57,133 --> 00:06:59,093 When I arrived, my director came 89 00:06:59,176 --> 00:07:00,386 and the first thing he said was: 90 00:07:00,469 --> 00:07:02,179 "We have to search you." 91 00:07:02,429 --> 00:07:05,141 I knew something was wrong when they took this child 92 00:07:05,224 --> 00:07:07,434 and arrested him several times. 93 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,480 They never discussed guilt or innocence. 94 00:07:10,647 --> 00:07:13,399 They just kept going. Nobody could do anything. 95 00:07:15,485 --> 00:07:17,570 The person identified himself as Officer Rozitski 96 00:07:17,654 --> 00:07:20,990 and said I was calling about my daughter, Hillary. 97 00:07:21,073 --> 00:07:24,326 "She created a MySpace page and I'm going to arrest her." 98 00:07:26,162 --> 00:07:27,622 Ed was drinking. 99 00:07:27,705 --> 00:07:30,875 I remember Ed's dad telling me that 100 00:07:30,958 --> 00:07:33,836 he knew that Ed was drinking at a teenage party. 101 00:07:34,003 --> 00:07:37,464 He planned to go there with two policemen 102 00:07:37,549 --> 00:07:39,551 who were his friends, 103 00:07:39,634 --> 00:07:42,720 and they were going to go in, get Ed out of there 104 00:07:42,970 --> 00:07:44,764 and put something on it that would get it caught... 105 00:07:45,973 --> 00:07:47,934 ...so that he would learn to stay in line. 106 00:07:48,017 --> 00:07:49,894 Little did I know that we didn't have the right, 107 00:07:50,019 --> 00:07:51,771 that he was in their custody. 108 00:07:52,522 --> 00:07:54,649 I was in eighth grade, I was 13 years old. 109 00:07:54,774 --> 00:07:56,943 A girl and I were friends. 110 00:07:57,026 --> 00:07:59,654 She was calling me whore and whore, 111 00:07:59,737 --> 00:08:01,739 saying "I hate you" and that we weren't friends anymore. 112 00:08:01,823 --> 00:08:03,490 So I threw a volleyball at her. 113 00:08:03,575 --> 00:08:04,701 When she passed by me, 114 00:08:04,784 --> 00:08:07,369 she threw her hair in my face 115 00:08:07,453 --> 00:08:09,831 and then I lost my cool, it's over. 116 00:08:10,081 --> 00:08:11,082 We ended up fighting. 117 00:08:11,207 --> 00:08:14,544 They took me to the office with the policeman, 118 00:08:14,627 --> 00:08:15,795 called my father, 119 00:08:15,878 --> 00:08:18,590 they told him to pick up his crazy daughter at school, 120 00:08:18,715 --> 00:08:20,257 because she was causing trouble. 121 00:08:20,592 --> 00:08:23,595 Your daughter was arrested for hitting a girl. 122 00:08:24,053 --> 00:08:26,681 The case should not have passed the local magistrate, 123 00:08:26,806 --> 00:08:29,141 if they weren't satisfied with suspending her for three days. 124 00:08:29,225 --> 00:08:30,351 Convoca��o 125 00:08:30,434 --> 00:08:32,979 Not for Juvenile Court. 126 00:08:33,062 --> 00:08:36,523 And then find out it was all greed. 127 00:08:40,653 --> 00:08:42,864 A girl pulled my father, 128 00:08:42,947 --> 00:08:45,241 took my arm and said, "Come with me." 129 00:08:46,367 --> 00:08:47,660 Judge Ciavarella, 130 00:08:47,827 --> 00:08:51,748 he didn't even want to know anything about my side of the story. 131 00:08:52,081 --> 00:08:53,833 JANUARY 14, 2005 - ADMISSION OCTOBER 16, 2009 - RELEASE 132 00:08:53,916 --> 00:08:55,752 I was only 14 years old. 133 00:08:56,586 --> 00:08:59,296 I couldn't believe what was happening. 134 00:09:01,090 --> 00:09:03,009 I was terrified. 135 00:09:03,092 --> 00:09:06,220 I cried in front of everyone in court for 30 minutes. 136 00:09:08,222 --> 00:09:11,058 I remember him turning to me, 137 00:09:11,142 --> 00:09:13,060 I will never forget that look. 138 00:09:21,318 --> 00:09:24,321 Former Luzerne County Judge Mark Ciavarella will stand trial today. 139 00:09:25,489 --> 00:09:27,533 Prosecutors say he ruined young people's lives, 140 00:09:27,617 --> 00:09:30,036 sending children to prisons for money. 141 00:09:31,453 --> 00:09:33,080 Two Pennsylvania judges confessed... 142 00:09:34,248 --> 00:09:36,000 ... who received payments 143 00:09:36,083 --> 00:09:39,461 to send adolescents to private detention centers. 144 00:09:39,545 --> 00:09:41,881 Former judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan 145 00:09:41,964 --> 00:09:43,465 arrived in federal court... 146 00:09:43,549 --> 00:09:44,634 Accused of sending young... 147 00:09:45,802 --> 00:09:47,511 ...to private detention centers. 148 00:09:47,637 --> 00:09:49,305 The evidence against the former judges 149 00:09:49,388 --> 00:09:52,058 were compiled by the FBI. 150 00:09:52,141 --> 00:09:54,560 In a scandal called "kids for money". 151 00:09:54,686 --> 00:09:56,270 A kids-for-money scheme... 152 00:09:56,353 --> 00:09:58,397 Corrupt judges receive bribes from the private sector. 153 00:09:59,606 --> 00:10:01,901 $2.6 million in bribes. 154 00:10:03,485 --> 00:10:04,904 For sentencing minors or prison. 155 00:10:04,987 --> 00:10:05,988 Pennsylvania court rules out juvenile convictions 156 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,200 Guys, this is not a bribe, 157 00:10:09,283 --> 00:10:11,077 I call it a court bonus. 158 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,494 Innocent to Profitable 159 00:10:12,662 --> 00:10:14,455 Minor offenders, sometimes without a history... 160 00:10:14,538 --> 00:10:15,581 corrupt judges 161 00:10:15,665 --> 00:10:17,208 ...were taken to these judges 162 00:10:18,918 --> 00:10:20,127 ...even for writing notes. 163 00:10:20,211 --> 00:10:22,296 I don't deserve this. I'm not a criminal. 164 00:10:22,379 --> 00:10:25,091 These people are wolves in sheep's clothing, 165 00:10:25,174 --> 00:10:27,218 because children trust these people. 166 00:10:27,301 --> 00:10:29,721 -The people of the country trusted him. -For sure. 167 00:10:30,888 --> 00:10:37,687 Luzerne County, Pennsylvania January 2009 168 00:10:45,695 --> 00:10:46,779 Times Leader, Terrie Morgan. 169 00:10:46,863 --> 00:10:49,198 Okay, you have a press conference. 170 00:10:49,448 --> 00:10:50,908 People are getting there now. 171 00:10:51,242 --> 00:10:54,871 Judge Conahan and Judge Ciavarella called for plea agreements 172 00:10:55,037 --> 00:10:56,455 for the federal government, 173 00:10:56,538 --> 00:11:01,210 confessing to fraud in a tax evasion case. 174 00:11:01,377 --> 00:11:03,004 For Ciavarella, the important thing was... 175 00:11:04,588 --> 00:11:07,508 ...that he had an obligation to speak to the youth before him 176 00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:12,304 that he accepted money from the owner of the private detention center. 177 00:11:12,513 --> 00:11:13,806 As he didn't do that, 178 00:11:13,890 --> 00:11:16,683 he deprived the public of honest service. 179 00:11:16,768 --> 00:11:18,602 Crime or punishment? Parents question Ciavarella's judgment 180 00:11:18,685 --> 00:11:21,647 We interviewed Judge Ciavarella several times in 2004, 181 00:11:21,730 --> 00:11:24,776 when we started researching what happened in the Juvenile Court. 182 00:11:25,484 --> 00:11:27,236 We even went to one of the schools 183 00:11:27,319 --> 00:11:29,155 while he was giving a presentation, 184 00:11:29,238 --> 00:11:31,073 because he liked to do it. 185 00:11:31,157 --> 00:11:34,243 He went to every school, every year, and said: 186 00:11:34,326 --> 00:11:37,413 "If they commit a crime at school, I will arrest them." 187 00:11:38,247 --> 00:11:39,498 That was his justification, 188 00:11:39,581 --> 00:11:42,543 so when they appeared before him, no matter what the charge, 189 00:11:42,626 --> 00:11:45,254 he would ask, "Were you there when I said that?" "Yes." 190 00:11:45,421 --> 00:11:46,964 "Did you hear what I said?" "Yes." 191 00:11:47,423 --> 00:11:49,383 "What I said?" "That you were going to arrest me." 192 00:11:49,466 --> 00:11:51,010 "So what do you think will happen?" 193 00:11:51,093 --> 00:11:52,136 "You gonna put me away" 194 00:11:52,219 --> 00:11:53,720 "That's right. Get him out of here." 195 00:11:55,306 --> 00:11:58,559 I'm shy, but once someone gets to know me, 196 00:11:58,642 --> 00:12:01,896 finds out that I don't shut up and speak loudly. 197 00:12:02,688 --> 00:12:07,109 And I'm very cynical and ironic 198 00:12:07,193 --> 00:12:08,945 it's sarcastic and... 199 00:12:10,071 --> 00:12:12,824 My goal is to be the funny one. 200 00:12:13,115 --> 00:12:16,785 My friends and I started talking about how funny it would be 201 00:12:16,953 --> 00:12:19,371 if we made a fake MySpace page 202 00:12:19,455 --> 00:12:21,332 about the vice principal of the school. 203 00:12:21,457 --> 00:12:24,210 Then we decided that we had to do this. 204 00:12:24,293 --> 00:12:25,962 and that would be hilarious. 205 00:12:28,464 --> 00:12:31,300 Female 28 years old CANADENSIS, Pennsylvania, United States 206 00:12:31,675 --> 00:12:33,052 Hello. I'm the vice principal of the school... 207 00:12:33,135 --> 00:12:34,553 I consider myself fun 208 00:12:34,678 --> 00:12:37,473 outgoing and like to spend time reading silly magazines 209 00:12:37,598 --> 00:12:40,226 and thinking about Johnny Depp in his underwear! Uh ll ll! 210 00:12:40,309 --> 00:12:42,811 The policeman said that she was being accused of 211 00:12:42,937 --> 00:12:45,272 internet abuse, terrorism and stalking... 212 00:12:46,983 --> 00:12:50,527 ...and theirs is a federal crime. 213 00:12:51,153 --> 00:12:53,072 And I thought, "My God!" 214 00:12:53,530 --> 00:12:55,157 I'm losing my mind. 215 00:12:55,282 --> 00:12:56,993 I told the policeman that he wasn't going 216 00:12:57,076 --> 00:12:59,245 talk to my daughter without a lawyer 217 00:12:59,328 --> 00:13:00,746 and that's when he started screaming. 218 00:13:01,747 --> 00:13:06,043 Speaking that mothers like me try to get their children to be released 219 00:13:06,168 --> 00:13:08,129 and that is why we have bad children. 220 00:13:08,462 --> 00:13:10,089 When I said I wouldn't use a lawyer, 221 00:13:10,714 --> 00:13:11,883 he became calmer. 222 00:13:13,675 --> 00:13:14,969 He said that if we cooperated, 223 00:13:15,052 --> 00:13:16,845 we would receive the instructions in the mail. 224 00:13:17,513 --> 00:13:19,640 And I thought, "He said if we cooperate, 225 00:13:19,806 --> 00:13:21,142 everything will be fine." 226 00:13:22,935 --> 00:13:25,187 When I got off the elevator, there were tables 227 00:13:25,354 --> 00:13:26,855 and the woman gave me a leaf, 228 00:13:27,064 --> 00:13:28,815 a form, blank. 229 00:13:29,066 --> 00:13:31,443 She said, "Do you have a lawyer?" And I said, "No." 230 00:13:31,527 --> 00:13:32,861 She said, "Sign here." 231 00:13:34,030 --> 00:13:35,239 Okay, so I signed it. 232 00:13:35,822 --> 00:13:38,534 We were taken straight to court. 233 00:13:39,326 --> 00:13:42,413 The judge leaned across the table and shouted: 234 00:13:42,538 --> 00:13:45,541 "What makes you think you can do that kind of shit?" 235 00:13:46,083 --> 00:13:49,378 And I was holding Hillary's shoulder, so I felt her go back. 236 00:13:49,753 --> 00:13:52,214 I whispered in her ear, "It's okay." 237 00:13:53,049 --> 00:13:55,342 Things moved quickly at court. 238 00:13:55,551 --> 00:13:57,469 About 60 seconds. 239 00:13:57,553 --> 00:13:59,972 And when I was being handcuffed, 240 00:14:00,056 --> 00:14:03,434 I heard my mother crying next to me 241 00:14:03,642 --> 00:14:05,352 and the woman who was handcuffing me said: 242 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:07,354 "Look what you did to your mother." 243 00:14:07,479 --> 00:14:11,567 And I was... I was completely confused. 244 00:14:12,985 --> 00:14:16,238 What went through my head was: "They took my daughter away from me. 245 00:14:16,655 --> 00:14:19,825 Her physical and legal custody was no longer mine. 246 00:14:20,117 --> 00:14:22,744 And they will take her, is what that means." 247 00:14:23,370 --> 00:14:25,957 I didn't know what to do. I was speechless. 248 00:14:26,540 --> 00:14:28,584 And then I started making calls. 249 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,005 For the local public defender's office, for the state, for the governor's line. 250 00:14:33,089 --> 00:14:35,216 They told me to call the ACLU, 251 00:14:35,341 --> 00:14:38,719 and sent me to a woman at Rutgers University in New Jersey. 252 00:14:39,095 --> 00:14:41,513 She said, "You're in Pennsylvania, I can't help you, 253 00:14:41,597 --> 00:14:43,557 but I know great people 254 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,684 of the Philadelphia Juvenile Law Center." 255 00:14:45,767 --> 00:14:47,436 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 256 00:14:49,521 --> 00:14:52,316 We received a call from Laurene Transue, 257 00:14:52,608 --> 00:14:54,026 m e of Hillary Transue, 258 00:14:54,235 --> 00:14:57,654 which told an eerily familiar story. 259 00:14:57,738 --> 00:14:59,781 Juvenile Law Center advancing the rights of minors in danger 260 00:14:59,865 --> 00:15:03,285 We first met Judge Ciavarella in 1999. 261 00:15:03,410 --> 00:15:06,786 We got a call from a mother... 262 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:10,417 ...who contacted us about their 12-year-old son 263 00:15:10,501 --> 00:15:13,212 who had been judged as an offender by Judge Ciavarella. 264 00:15:15,047 --> 00:15:16,966 We are especially interested 265 00:15:17,133 --> 00:15:19,551 due to the fact that he appeared without a lawyer, 266 00:15:19,635 --> 00:15:22,054 violating their constitutional rights. 267 00:15:22,138 --> 00:15:23,472 So we contest the judgment 268 00:15:23,555 --> 00:15:27,434 and the Supreme Court overturned the young man's judgment as an offender. 269 00:15:28,935 --> 00:15:29,979 We had the impression... 270 00:15:30,062 --> 00:15:32,064 "I will never do it again," Ciavarella said of allowing a defendant to 271 00:15:32,148 --> 00:15:33,190 don't have a lawyer. 272 00:15:33,274 --> 00:15:34,275 ...that Ciavarella learned. 273 00:15:34,358 --> 00:15:36,402 But then we met Hillary Transue's mother, 274 00:15:36,485 --> 00:15:37,903 how was Ciavarella, 275 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:42,158 and as it was an identical situation, 276 00:15:42,241 --> 00:15:45,119 we wanted to understand if it was or not 277 00:15:45,327 --> 00:15:46,662 a bigger problem. 278 00:15:46,787 --> 00:15:48,122 And Hillary suggested it was. 279 00:15:48,205 --> 00:15:50,416 She said, "I wasn't the only one in the place 280 00:15:50,832 --> 00:15:52,001 who was tried without a lawyer." 281 00:15:54,295 --> 00:15:56,422 We started to see state data. 282 00:15:56,630 --> 00:15:59,050 The waiver fee for Luzerne County representation was 283 00:15:59,133 --> 00:16:01,593 ten times higher than in the rest of the state. 284 00:16:02,136 --> 00:16:03,970 So there were many children 285 00:16:04,055 --> 00:16:05,847 without representation that they ended up arrested. 286 00:16:06,223 --> 00:16:09,268 These were very important clues. 287 00:16:09,351 --> 00:16:11,478 The question for us was: 288 00:16:11,562 --> 00:16:13,980 "What was going on in Ciavarella's court?" 289 00:16:14,690 --> 00:16:17,859 We investigated further and stayed outside the Juvenile Court. 290 00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:21,697 We started listening to the children to find out what happened. 291 00:16:21,863 --> 00:16:25,242 Several of them were imprisoned for very minor crimes. 292 00:16:26,660 --> 00:16:27,869 Something was wrong. 293 00:16:28,162 --> 00:16:31,207 I wanted to go to the top of the Times Leader building and shout: 294 00:16:31,457 --> 00:16:35,001 "Somebody see what's going on here. Somebody see this." 295 00:16:35,211 --> 00:16:37,671 When we mount the image 296 00:16:37,838 --> 00:16:39,798 of what went on at Ciavarella's court, 297 00:16:39,881 --> 00:16:42,176 we realize that 298 00:16:42,468 --> 00:16:45,721 to such a promise by Ciavarella from 2001, 299 00:16:45,887 --> 00:16:48,432 to respect the constitutional right to representation, 300 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:49,850 it was an empty promise. 301 00:16:49,975 --> 00:16:51,643 We had to make a decision about 302 00:16:51,727 --> 00:16:53,979 the legal measures are at our disposal. 303 00:16:54,063 --> 00:16:57,064 We made a petition... 304 00:16:57,566 --> 00:16:58,775 ...at the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to fix this. 305 00:16:58,859 --> 00:17:01,070 For us, tidying up meant undoing 306 00:17:01,153 --> 00:17:02,988 the sentence of these children 307 00:17:03,072 --> 00:17:05,366 and delete them from their registry. 308 00:17:05,491 --> 00:17:08,034 We didn't know about the problem of not having representation. 309 00:17:08,202 --> 00:17:10,454 We only discovered this in 2008, 310 00:17:10,537 --> 00:17:12,623 when the Center filed the petition. 311 00:17:13,999 --> 00:17:17,711 We have been inundated with calls from parents saying: 312 00:17:17,836 --> 00:17:19,004 "That happened to me too. 313 00:17:19,255 --> 00:17:20,422 They said I didn't need a lawyer. 314 00:17:20,506 --> 00:17:23,092 I walked in and within three minutes my son was chained up." 315 00:17:23,175 --> 00:17:24,176 Parents get in touch 316 00:17:24,260 --> 00:17:26,803 One story after another. I swear it was over and over again. 317 00:17:26,928 --> 00:17:29,431 All independently told the same story. 318 00:17:29,515 --> 00:17:30,682 As soon as we present 319 00:17:30,766 --> 00:17:33,602 this request to the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, 320 00:17:33,685 --> 00:17:36,605 we got a call from someone who said 321 00:17:36,730 --> 00:17:38,190 work for the FBI. 322 00:17:38,399 --> 00:17:41,485 It's not a call we get every day here at the Center. 323 00:17:41,568 --> 00:17:44,155 But after speaking with Marsha and the team here 324 00:17:44,238 --> 00:17:46,573 and learn how the juvenile justice system works 325 00:17:46,657 --> 00:17:48,284 and what we thought was going on, 326 00:17:49,451 --> 00:17:52,204 they got a search warrant and seized the records. 327 00:17:53,955 --> 00:17:57,168 What they were interested in knowing from us was: 328 00:17:57,293 --> 00:18:01,046 "What do you think is going on in Ciavarella's court? 329 00:18:01,255 --> 00:18:02,798 How did you arrive at this conclusion? 330 00:18:02,923 --> 00:18:05,467 It tells about violations of the right to representation." 331 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:14,976 She was a good girl, I have to admit. 332 00:18:15,144 --> 00:18:17,604 She couldn't do everything she wanted. 333 00:18:17,688 --> 00:18:20,191 She had an older brother and two older sisters. 334 00:18:20,774 --> 00:18:23,610 They took care of her, but she was happy. 335 00:18:23,694 --> 00:18:24,861 Yes. 336 00:18:24,945 --> 00:18:27,573 She was not a sad girl. She was never depressed. 337 00:18:27,656 --> 00:18:29,158 And she was a singer. 338 00:18:29,450 --> 00:18:30,701 She was in the choir. 339 00:18:30,951 --> 00:18:32,578 When I was little, 340 00:18:32,661 --> 00:18:36,415 Amanda and her sister missed only one day of school. 341 00:18:37,708 --> 00:18:42,421 My parents separated, but we still spent time together. 342 00:18:43,339 --> 00:18:44,715 I was a straight A student. 343 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,508 Then I started not doing so well. 344 00:18:46,592 --> 00:18:48,594 As I got older, I started being average, 345 00:18:48,677 --> 00:18:49,886 I didn't pay as much attention. 346 00:18:50,011 --> 00:18:53,390 I had a group of friends who weren't very... 347 00:18:53,515 --> 00:18:54,933 that my parents didn't approve of, 348 00:18:55,016 --> 00:18:56,435 but there was another group that 349 00:18:56,685 --> 00:18:59,062 it was very positive for me. 350 00:18:59,188 --> 00:19:01,482 At school, I tried hard to stay out of trouble, 351 00:19:01,565 --> 00:19:03,775 but it didn't always work. 352 00:19:03,942 --> 00:19:06,737 That's where it all started. 353 00:19:08,029 --> 00:19:12,117 Raising the four boys wasn't easy, but we did a lot together. 354 00:19:12,201 --> 00:19:13,910 We had difficulties, 355 00:19:13,994 --> 00:19:16,288 I was single and had only one salary. 356 00:19:16,413 --> 00:19:19,165 I remember we had family game night. 357 00:19:19,666 --> 00:19:21,252 We played all night, 358 00:19:21,335 --> 00:19:22,336 which I thought was really cool, 359 00:19:22,419 --> 00:19:24,087 because people do that in commercials. 360 00:19:24,213 --> 00:19:26,798 Then you think: "This is how it should be. 361 00:19:26,965 --> 00:19:28,550 If you don't do this, it's wrong." 362 00:19:28,717 --> 00:19:31,303 At the time, Justin was troubled, I was recently divorced. 363 00:19:32,471 --> 00:19:33,472 He wasn't a bad kid. 364 00:19:33,555 --> 00:19:35,140 He was just getting cocky. 365 00:19:35,557 --> 00:19:38,352 Justin has always been busy. He was extremely smart. 366 00:19:38,435 --> 00:19:40,937 He had a genius IQ when he was seven. 367 00:19:41,062 --> 00:19:44,190 I started creating websites and liking computers. 368 00:19:44,275 --> 00:19:47,903 But that was before I got arrested and all. 369 00:19:49,238 --> 00:19:52,115 I think I lived a normal childhood. 370 00:19:53,784 --> 00:19:57,288 I did everything every child does. 371 00:19:57,788 --> 00:20:01,875 I grew up camping. Only in forests and things around here. 372 00:20:02,251 --> 00:20:05,837 My favorite thing was being with my family. 373 00:20:05,921 --> 00:20:07,381 It was the time he spent with them. 374 00:20:08,590 --> 00:20:10,926 When Charlie went to school, 375 00:20:11,051 --> 00:20:13,595 he wanted to go to school. 376 00:20:13,845 --> 00:20:15,806 On the first day of school, he was 377 00:20:15,889 --> 00:20:17,683 and came back and said, "I won't." 378 00:20:17,766 --> 00:20:20,018 And he's had a lot of trouble since then. 379 00:20:21,437 --> 00:20:25,816 There's a piece of skin that grows on the underside of the mouth, 380 00:20:25,899 --> 00:20:27,901 he had grown to his teeth, 381 00:20:27,984 --> 00:20:31,530 making him pronounce the vowels badly, 382 00:20:31,613 --> 00:20:34,325 but every sound in the alphabet sounded bad. 383 00:20:35,158 --> 00:20:38,954 When he left elementary school, 384 00:20:39,162 --> 00:20:42,666 they placed him in the Plains Alternative Learning Center. 385 00:20:42,749 --> 00:20:47,838 And that's where the problem started. 386 00:20:47,921 --> 00:20:50,466 He would come home and say, "I shouldn't be there. 387 00:20:50,632 --> 00:20:53,344 I don't know where I should be, but this school is not for me." 388 00:20:53,677 --> 00:20:55,971 He would say, "Mother, these children are bad." 389 00:20:56,638 --> 00:21:00,434 When I turned 14, things only got worse. 390 00:21:02,603 --> 00:21:03,895 On the first day at court, 391 00:21:03,979 --> 00:21:05,397 I already entered with a feeling 392 00:21:05,481 --> 00:21:07,441 that something big and unexpected was going to happen. 393 00:21:07,524 --> 00:21:10,068 I was already scared when I woke up in bed in the morning. 394 00:21:10,151 --> 00:21:12,779 "Something is going to happen. I'm going to see a very powerful guy. 395 00:21:12,863 --> 00:21:14,030 I can get hurt." 396 00:21:14,114 --> 00:21:16,367 We arrived at the court building. 397 00:21:16,492 --> 00:21:18,284 and it was full, with several people. 398 00:21:20,203 --> 00:21:22,956 I didn't find anything out of the ordinary. 399 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:25,334 I thought I was going to go home and everything. 400 00:21:25,459 --> 00:21:27,419 The dome inside the court is very large. 401 00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:29,588 It's like it was made to make you feel small. 402 00:21:29,713 --> 00:21:32,674 It was meant to scare me, and it worked. 403 00:21:33,008 --> 00:21:36,136 We were there literally a minute and a half tops. 404 00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:39,139 The judge already had everything in front of him. 405 00:21:39,305 --> 00:21:42,225 He just looked at some papers and told me 406 00:21:42,976 --> 00:21:47,105 that I was a problem child. 407 00:21:48,148 --> 00:21:49,858 And I didn't think it was. 408 00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:51,943 It wasn't just the bike. 409 00:21:52,027 --> 00:21:54,405 Judge Ciavarella took into account 410 00:21:54,488 --> 00:21:57,157 that Charlie had problems at school. 411 00:21:57,408 --> 00:21:58,409 How did he speak? 412 00:21:58,492 --> 00:22:03,705 "It seems that the parents have lost control of the child." 413 00:22:03,872 --> 00:22:09,461 And he said, "I think it's time to get this kid back on track." 414 00:22:09,753 --> 00:22:14,049 He said, "Camp Adams for 90 days." 415 00:22:15,091 --> 00:22:17,093 And they handcuffed my son and took him away. 416 00:22:17,177 --> 00:22:19,888 That was... 417 00:22:21,056 --> 00:22:22,766 They shouldn't do this. 418 00:22:23,058 --> 00:22:25,226 They shouldn't do that in front of their parents. 419 00:22:25,393 --> 00:22:27,688 It was the most horrible thing. 420 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:32,317 I will never forget that part. 421 00:22:34,570 --> 00:22:37,573 They made me kneel on a chair, 422 00:22:37,656 --> 00:22:40,826 they lifted up my pants and handcuffed my legs. 423 00:22:41,242 --> 00:22:43,244 There's a belt they use to fasten... 424 00:22:43,328 --> 00:22:45,789 A belt, they tied it in the back and left me handcuffed 425 00:22:45,872 --> 00:22:49,334 until we got to the place of detention, it was crazy. 426 00:22:49,417 --> 00:22:52,128 I felt like an adult 427 00:22:52,295 --> 00:22:54,255 going to a big prison. 428 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:57,884 If I'm 13 429 00:22:57,968 --> 00:23:01,555 and I'm in gray sweatpants with cuffs on my hands and feet, 430 00:23:01,888 --> 00:23:04,432 I feel like a very, very bad child. 431 00:23:04,516 --> 00:23:07,519 While I had them in my hands, and I thought... I don't... 432 00:23:07,603 --> 00:23:08,645 I was confused. 433 00:23:09,980 --> 00:23:12,608 They put us in a van and took us to the LCJC. 434 00:23:14,442 --> 00:23:16,027 Usually you see the grids first, 435 00:23:16,194 --> 00:23:18,321 six-meter railings with barbed wire lines 436 00:23:18,404 --> 00:23:20,741 as if I were a criminal, a murderer. 437 00:23:20,907 --> 00:23:23,076 And that's how you feel. Do you think: 438 00:23:23,368 --> 00:23:25,787 "I'm one of those people you see in movies." 439 00:23:29,124 --> 00:23:31,209 I woke up in a nice bed with my family 440 00:23:31,292 --> 00:23:34,087 and went to sleep with cockroaches and criminals. 441 00:23:36,256 --> 00:23:38,592 When I entered a room, I had to look for cockroaches, 442 00:23:38,675 --> 00:23:40,594 to make sure there were no cockroaches. 443 00:23:41,302 --> 00:23:43,221 everything is dirty, with stains on the wall 444 00:23:43,304 --> 00:23:45,015 and with echo, like in prison movies... 445 00:23:45,098 --> 00:23:46,850 Through the cell blocks. 446 00:23:46,975 --> 00:23:48,351 I was scared every day. 447 00:23:48,434 --> 00:23:51,146 I was scared every day because I wasn't at home. 448 00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:53,982 I hate the fact that I can't go to school. 449 00:23:54,065 --> 00:23:56,985 That's what childhood is, growing up and going to school. 450 00:23:58,695 --> 00:24:02,157 You never realize how much you miss your parents until you're away from them. 451 00:24:04,910 --> 00:24:07,120 I felt like my heart was ripped out. 452 00:24:07,245 --> 00:24:09,122 I was depressed. 453 00:24:10,707 --> 00:24:13,585 You can't do anything, not even talk to anyone to come back earlier. 454 00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:15,921 As you would in prison, you cannot post bail. 455 00:24:16,797 --> 00:24:19,257 They treat you like a piece of shit. 456 00:24:20,341 --> 00:24:22,510 They talk to you however they want. 457 00:24:26,181 --> 00:24:28,559 All the kids look at you and think, "Who is he? 458 00:24:28,725 --> 00:24:30,101 Will I have to worry? 459 00:24:30,185 --> 00:24:31,603 Or can I get his stuff?" 460 00:24:33,730 --> 00:24:36,107 I spoke to staff more than residents. 461 00:24:36,357 --> 00:24:39,861 I felt safer because an employee wouldn't hit me. 462 00:24:39,986 --> 00:24:41,196 At least not in that place. 463 00:24:43,531 --> 00:24:46,367 There was a lot of physical training. 464 00:24:46,577 --> 00:24:49,370 Run, do jumping jacks and such. 465 00:24:50,455 --> 00:24:53,041 And you were in the cell almost all day. 466 00:24:54,042 --> 00:24:56,544 I only go out to eat 467 00:24:56,962 --> 00:24:58,379 three times a day. 468 00:25:00,966 --> 00:25:03,384 For the first two weeks, I didn't even have a pillow. 469 00:25:04,886 --> 00:25:06,930 You need to earn the pillow. 470 00:25:08,014 --> 00:25:11,226 You just stay in that little room, 471 00:25:12,894 --> 00:25:16,732 doing homework and everything read. 472 00:25:18,734 --> 00:25:21,486 At the end of the sentence, a boy said: "I went home" and then: 473 00:25:21,569 --> 00:25:22,988 "I brought some marijuana." 474 00:25:23,071 --> 00:25:24,948 I was 12 years old, I had never tried it. 475 00:25:25,031 --> 00:25:27,743 I was interested because, after three months with criminals, 476 00:25:27,826 --> 00:25:31,287 you think, "Yeah, I do, man. I want to try it too." 477 00:25:33,749 --> 00:25:37,543 It was the first one I tried on and I thought, "Wow, that's cool." 478 00:25:37,753 --> 00:25:40,588 Not the getting high part, but the bonding part. 479 00:25:42,758 --> 00:25:44,425 I wrote many letters. 480 00:25:45,135 --> 00:25:48,013 Not letters, they were more, I don't know, 481 00:25:48,096 --> 00:25:49,555 poetic things. 482 00:25:51,808 --> 00:25:55,270 "Life brings us challenges that we need to overcome 483 00:25:55,353 --> 00:25:56,562 "An Attitude of Love" 484 00:25:56,647 --> 00:26:00,692 And sometimes the deviations can dull the senses 485 00:26:02,277 --> 00:26:05,739 Life is full of blocks we pass along the way 486 00:26:06,281 --> 00:26:10,076 But they can become a stepping stone when love is at stake. 487 00:26:11,662 --> 00:26:15,248 When there is an obstacle that we need to overcome 488 00:26:15,331 --> 00:26:18,626 It's good to overcome it with an attitude of love 489 00:26:18,794 --> 00:26:22,964 Because anger doesn't solve anything and stress brings us down 490 00:26:23,048 --> 00:26:26,843 But love opens the door where we find hope 491 00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:33,141 Life brings us challenges that we need to overcome. 492 00:26:33,725 --> 00:26:37,645 And blessed is he who can maintain an attitude of love." 493 00:26:40,982 --> 00:26:43,151 I tried to write a letter to the judge. 494 00:26:43,777 --> 00:26:46,822 I said: "I learned my lesson. 495 00:26:46,905 --> 00:26:48,614 I never fought before. 496 00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:50,909 I apologize. Can you give me another chance?" 497 00:26:50,992 --> 00:26:53,036 I asked him to leave me under house arrest. 498 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,747 It said, "Can I stay on parole? I want to see my family. 499 00:26:55,831 --> 00:26:58,124 This is strange to me." And I said all this to him. 500 00:27:01,002 --> 00:27:02,838 I didn't get anything back. 501 00:27:04,715 --> 00:27:07,300 I just gave up and served my sentence. 502 00:27:08,676 --> 00:27:10,636 And then, four years of my life passed, 503 00:27:10,721 --> 00:27:12,680 and it goes on and on. 504 00:27:19,687 --> 00:27:22,899 Children were being sold for money 505 00:27:23,358 --> 00:27:26,361 by former chief judge of Luzerne County 506 00:27:26,444 --> 00:27:29,364 and Juvenile Court Judge Mark Ciavarella. 507 00:27:30,365 --> 00:27:33,368 And we're talking about what happened to them 508 00:27:33,451 --> 00:27:37,247 in the hands of that abusive judge. 509 00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:41,877 I'm Corbett and you're listening to WILK AM, 103.1 FM. 510 00:27:42,585 --> 00:27:43,586 Hello, judge. 511 00:27:44,170 --> 00:27:46,339 Jim Avila told ABC News, 20/20. 512 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,841 people are thinking 513 00:27:47,924 --> 00:27:50,510 like a man as distinguished as you 514 00:27:50,593 --> 00:27:53,263 could have gotten into so much trouble 515 00:27:53,346 --> 00:27:54,680 and sold these children? 516 00:27:54,765 --> 00:27:56,224 Well, let's stop here. 517 00:27:56,307 --> 00:27:57,976 I didn't sell children. 518 00:27:58,059 --> 00:28:01,479 I clearly showed him the prosecutor's charges, 519 00:28:01,562 --> 00:28:03,731 that he sentenced children for money. 520 00:28:03,815 --> 00:28:05,191 It's not what you think. 521 00:28:05,275 --> 00:28:07,778 Talk to people at Luzerne County Juvenile Court 522 00:28:07,861 --> 00:28:09,237 and you will understand what I say. 523 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,782 This does not mean that you received dirty money. 524 00:28:11,865 --> 00:28:14,785 Why put juvenile offenders on state Children's Assistance? 525 00:28:14,868 --> 00:28:16,577 Yes, that's what it says. 526 00:28:16,912 --> 00:28:18,163 We reached an agreement. 527 00:28:18,246 --> 00:28:21,166 I will not confess anything related to earning money for children, 528 00:28:21,249 --> 00:28:24,836 fraud, extortion, what for what? Absolutely no. 529 00:28:26,254 --> 00:28:29,340 The judges initially asked prosecutors for a deal. 530 00:28:29,424 --> 00:28:31,843 in January 2009. 531 00:28:31,927 --> 00:28:33,553 And the agreement they signed 532 00:28:33,636 --> 00:28:35,763 specified a sentence of 87 months. 533 00:28:35,931 --> 00:28:37,015 FBI, IRS say child scheme embezzled $2.6 million 534 00:28:37,098 --> 00:28:38,183 Ciaveralla, Conahan agrees to plead guilty 535 00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:40,393 But during that period, 536 00:28:40,476 --> 00:28:43,563 Ciavarella spoke publicly 537 00:28:43,646 --> 00:28:47,067 who stood by his claim that he had done nothing wrong. 538 00:28:47,275 --> 00:28:49,152 I specifically remember one time 539 00:28:49,235 --> 00:28:52,113 when he was talking to a TV network, 540 00:28:52,781 --> 00:28:56,201 he firmly maintained that he had never arrested a child for money. 541 00:28:56,326 --> 00:28:59,830 It had always been for the young man's sake, 542 00:29:00,371 --> 00:29:01,832 and he said so. 543 00:29:01,915 --> 00:29:05,585 I watched, looked at my husband and said, "You know what? 544 00:29:05,668 --> 00:29:07,503 That judge will reject the deal 545 00:29:07,587 --> 00:29:08,754 because of what he said." 546 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:10,381 Good evening everyone, I'm Candice Kelly. 547 00:29:10,465 --> 00:29:11,549 And I'm Drew Speier. 548 00:29:11,632 --> 00:29:14,552 Ciavarella and Conahan were accused of orchestrating 549 00:29:14,635 --> 00:29:18,348 what was considered one of the biggest judicial scandals ever seen, 550 00:29:18,431 --> 00:29:20,350 but their requests for settlement were denied. 551 00:29:20,433 --> 00:29:23,812 Now, the prosecution has registered a new case. 552 00:29:23,895 --> 00:29:28,774 In February, Conahan and Ciavarella confessed to tax evasion 553 00:29:28,859 --> 00:29:31,194 and were sentenced to a sentence of seven years. 554 00:29:31,444 --> 00:29:33,822 In July, a federal judge overturned that agreement. 555 00:29:35,156 --> 00:29:37,242 Conahan was called an obstructionist, 556 00:29:37,325 --> 00:29:40,286 and the federal judge defends that Ciavarella denied his participation 557 00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:43,164 in receiving money for the imprisonment of children. 558 00:29:43,248 --> 00:29:45,125 Now they are accused of money laundering, 559 00:29:45,208 --> 00:29:50,671 bribery, extortion, fraud and federal tax violations. 560 00:29:53,049 --> 00:29:55,801 My customers are angry about everything, you know? 561 00:29:55,969 --> 00:30:01,599 A guy who has one of the best jobs possible, a judge, 562 00:30:01,682 --> 00:30:06,021 an honorable job, getting paid a lot of money. 563 00:30:06,687 --> 00:30:08,857 I'm not even counting all the advantages, you know how it is? 564 00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:12,068 Does he need to do this even though he has so many things? 565 00:30:12,152 --> 00:30:13,528 This is pure greed. 566 00:30:15,363 --> 00:30:18,950 He was a public servant. People trusted him. 567 00:30:19,034 --> 00:30:21,161 And he took advantage of us, 568 00:30:21,244 --> 00:30:23,329 this is very discouraging and revolting. 569 00:30:23,413 --> 00:30:25,706 he took advantage 570 00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:28,877 of children who may have made a mistake somewhere along the way. 571 00:30:29,419 --> 00:30:32,213 He took it to the extreme, like that fight at a school. 572 00:30:32,297 --> 00:30:34,632 We've all fought at school, you know what I mean? 573 00:30:34,715 --> 00:30:38,511 Simple things they shouldn't be sent to the detention center for. 574 00:30:40,305 --> 00:30:42,933 I've known Mark Ciavarella for a long time. 575 00:30:43,016 --> 00:30:45,977 He was a decent person, 576 00:30:46,061 --> 00:30:49,105 and I was shocked when I found out what was going on. 577 00:30:50,148 --> 00:30:52,650 I think he was, I wouldn't say a victim, 578 00:30:52,733 --> 00:30:56,905 but he got himself into a bad situation. 579 00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:03,161 As the agreement was rejected, 580 00:31:03,244 --> 00:31:05,080 he wasn't talking to the media. 581 00:31:05,413 --> 00:31:07,332 He learned to be quiet. 582 00:31:07,790 --> 00:31:09,667 Are you ready to go to prison, Mark? 583 00:31:16,757 --> 00:31:21,679 I didn't tell my lawyer that I agreed with this documentary. 584 00:31:22,472 --> 00:31:27,310 And maybe doing that will end up hurting me. 585 00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:32,773 But I felt it was an opportunity for them to know what really happened. 586 00:31:33,441 --> 00:31:37,195 I'm not some crazy judge who was throwing kids 587 00:31:37,278 --> 00:31:40,406 and sending them away, arresting and handcuffing them. 588 00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:43,952 Nobody saw the whole picture. 589 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,162 They only wanted to look at part of the picture. 590 00:31:47,663 --> 00:31:50,291 All media focused on money for children. 591 00:31:50,959 --> 00:31:54,462 If the cops wanted to accuse us of that, 592 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,257 they can accuse and we go to trial. 593 00:32:00,135 --> 00:32:02,928 When Mark ran for judge, I didn't know him that well. 594 00:32:03,304 --> 00:32:05,556 He took office in 1996. 595 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,891 Then we started to work together 596 00:32:06,975 --> 00:32:08,768 and to develop a relationship and a friendship. 597 00:32:09,727 --> 00:32:13,356 And we became very good friends and still are. 598 00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:16,734 Mark was a strict judge... 599 00:32:17,986 --> 00:32:21,072 ...but the feedback I received when I was chief judge 600 00:32:21,156 --> 00:32:24,075 from the police, parents, 601 00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:26,911 superintendents in schools and directors 602 00:32:26,995 --> 00:32:28,704 was that it was working. 603 00:32:29,455 --> 00:32:35,086 He was doing a good job. No lawyer or anyone came to me 604 00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:38,381 to say that Mark didn't do a good job as a judge, 605 00:32:38,506 --> 00:32:41,092 or that he didn't have the best interests of the children in mind. 606 00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:46,181 Ciavarella said: "I pleaded not guilty in the case. 607 00:32:46,264 --> 00:32:47,723 I didn't arrest children for money." 608 00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:50,601 But in fact, he never pleaded guilty in the case. 609 00:32:50,685 --> 00:32:53,521 This is where the kids-for-money angle was born. 610 00:32:54,272 --> 00:32:57,942 People saw that the judge sent children to a center. 611 00:32:58,026 --> 00:32:59,819 He received money from the center. 612 00:32:59,902 --> 00:33:02,863 They saw the facts and realized 613 00:33:03,031 --> 00:33:05,908 that this was a simplification of what had happened. 614 00:33:06,534 --> 00:33:10,746 Mark began talking about the dire conditions at the center, 615 00:33:11,372 --> 00:33:13,333 went to the commissioners and said: 616 00:33:13,416 --> 00:33:15,876 "We need to build a new detention center." 617 00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:20,631 The commissioners said they would build a building, 618 00:33:20,715 --> 00:33:23,384 but they wanted to wait until after the election. 619 00:33:24,219 --> 00:33:28,889 The election passed. No buildings were being constructed. 620 00:33:29,224 --> 00:33:34,187 From that point on, my goal was to have a center that was safe 621 00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:38,733 and clean, a place where I would feel comfortable 622 00:33:38,816 --> 00:33:40,318 if my children went there. 623 00:33:41,486 --> 00:33:43,946 Judge Ciavarella came to see me one day and said: 624 00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:47,367 "These guys are not going to build this thing. It will never get done. 625 00:33:47,492 --> 00:33:49,869 You're good at getting investors together and getting things done. 626 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,123 So why don't you get investors together 627 00:33:53,206 --> 00:33:57,001 to build a juvenile detention center to be used by the courts?" 628 00:33:57,085 --> 00:33:58,544 I said, "Okay. I'll do it." 629 00:34:01,756 --> 00:34:04,550 Judge Conahan was very qualified to enter into this agreement. 630 00:34:04,675 --> 00:34:06,010 Trained in Finance, 631 00:34:06,302 --> 00:34:08,304 in addition to being very rich and a shrewd businessman. 632 00:34:09,472 --> 00:34:12,350 He had several businesses besides being a judge. 633 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,353 So Conahan decided he was going to look for investors, 634 00:34:15,436 --> 00:34:17,313 including Robert Powell, a good friend of his... 635 00:34:18,481 --> 00:34:21,776 ...to see if they could raise money to build a private center 636 00:34:21,859 --> 00:34:23,986 that they could offer the region. 637 00:34:24,362 --> 00:34:27,240 Powell did it. Then it all comes back to Ciavarella. 638 00:34:28,449 --> 00:34:30,285 He was good friends with Robert Mericle. 639 00:34:30,368 --> 00:34:32,787 He had known him since Mericle was a child. 640 00:34:33,037 --> 00:34:35,039 Mericle had a construction company 641 00:34:35,123 --> 00:34:37,667 specializing in commercial contracts. 642 00:34:37,875 --> 00:34:40,753 He suggested that Mericle send him a quote, and Mericle agreed. 643 00:34:42,297 --> 00:34:44,632 He had the smallest budget, he won the contract 644 00:34:44,715 --> 00:34:47,802 and built the center, which was owned by Powell and the others. 645 00:34:49,094 --> 00:34:52,473 At some point, Robert Mericle walked into Ciavarella's office... 646 00:34:53,641 --> 00:34:56,269 ...and told him that he would pay a commission 647 00:34:56,352 --> 00:34:58,396 because he recommended it. 648 00:34:58,479 --> 00:35:00,356 Ciavarella single-handedly decided that 649 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,193 I was going to split it fifty-fifty with Judge Conahan. 650 00:35:03,609 --> 00:35:05,736 His logic was that Judge Conahan was the one 651 00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:07,655 worked out the whole business, 652 00:35:07,738 --> 00:35:09,740 and he felt that he owed him half the money. 653 00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:16,747 Rob Mericle won the contract, and after that... 654 00:35:17,957 --> 00:35:20,876 ...he told me, and I'll never forget it: "It's your lucky day." 655 00:35:21,586 --> 00:35:23,588 Then he told me he was going to pay me a commission 656 00:35:23,671 --> 00:35:24,672 and I asked him: 657 00:35:24,755 --> 00:35:26,924 "Is this cool? Can you do this?" 658 00:35:27,007 --> 00:35:28,218 And he said, "I always do that. 659 00:35:28,301 --> 00:35:31,262 Whenever someone brings me a project, I pay a commission, 660 00:35:31,346 --> 00:35:32,847 and I'll buy one for you." 661 00:35:36,976 --> 00:35:40,480 It was 10% of the construction costs, US$ 2.2 million. 662 00:35:47,653 --> 00:35:51,156 I'm really good at it. I'm a journalist. It's my job. 663 00:35:51,241 --> 00:35:55,661 Now, from the Entercom radio studios in northeast Pennsylvania, 664 00:35:55,745 --> 00:35:57,705 here is Corbett. 665 00:35:57,955 --> 00:36:01,209 We are talking about justice. We are talking about lawyers. 666 00:36:01,292 --> 00:36:03,794 We're talking kids for money. 667 00:36:04,545 --> 00:36:08,048 Let's talk to Michelle. Michelle calling from Harveys Lake. 668 00:36:08,132 --> 00:36:10,050 What do you think of this, Michelle? 669 00:36:10,468 --> 00:36:14,555 I don't think the people involved 670 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,141 believed it was a commission. 671 00:36:17,517 --> 00:36:22,313 When you pay a judge for something other than work 672 00:36:22,397 --> 00:36:25,900 for which he receives, 673 00:36:26,609 --> 00:36:29,153 this is a bribe. They call it a bribe. 674 00:36:31,406 --> 00:36:35,660 They accepted approximately $2 million from Robert Mericle. 675 00:36:35,743 --> 00:36:37,161 They said it was a commission. 676 00:36:37,787 --> 00:36:42,082 Commissions are not illegal. There are several in real estate. 677 00:36:42,833 --> 00:36:44,919 What happened to Ciavarella, illegality is 678 00:36:45,002 --> 00:36:48,381 in the fact that he receives money and then takes court decisions 679 00:36:48,464 --> 00:36:51,091 without notifying the people who appeared before him 680 00:36:51,175 --> 00:36:52,260 that he received the money. 681 00:36:53,678 --> 00:36:56,096 And he also did not declare the income he received 682 00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:57,932 on that year's tax return. 683 00:36:58,349 --> 00:37:00,476 He just admitted it. 684 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,314 He did not admit anything else connected with the children for money case. 685 00:37:05,773 --> 00:37:09,694 The first amounts we received were paid to Beverage Marketing. 686 00:37:09,777 --> 00:37:11,696 One of Mike Conahan's companies. 687 00:37:11,779 --> 00:37:12,905 He said, "Look... 688 00:37:14,073 --> 00:37:16,867 I'll pay taxes on that money." 689 00:37:16,951 --> 00:37:19,244 Unfortunately for me, he never paid the taxes. 690 00:37:20,538 --> 00:37:23,874 What I did ethically wrong was not mentioning Rob Mericle 691 00:37:23,958 --> 00:37:27,002 in my ethics statement with the Supreme Court, 692 00:37:27,086 --> 00:37:29,422 because I received income from an outside source. 693 00:37:29,505 --> 00:37:30,548 Ciavarella delivers letter of resignation 694 00:37:30,631 --> 00:37:33,343 That was wrong. I had two choices. 695 00:37:34,552 --> 00:37:38,222 I could take the money and report it, 696 00:37:39,056 --> 00:37:42,059 and if not, don't take it 697 00:37:42,935 --> 00:37:45,020 I chose to take the money and not report it, 698 00:37:45,104 --> 00:37:47,440 but I didn't think it was a crime. 699 00:37:47,982 --> 00:37:51,444 Did I know I was doing something unethical? For sure. 700 00:37:51,652 --> 00:37:57,074 And the downside is that my ethics weren't strong enough not to. 701 00:37:57,157 --> 00:37:58,158 Ex-judge refuses to talk about 702 00:37:58,242 --> 00:37:59,535 high juvenile detention rates during budget analysis. 703 00:37:59,619 --> 00:38:02,663 I was worried about how people would view a judge 704 00:38:02,747 --> 00:38:05,708 having received a commission from someone for the construction of the center. 705 00:38:05,791 --> 00:38:07,627 That would not be well received. 706 00:38:08,336 --> 00:38:11,005 Unfortunately, it wasn't a good story. 707 00:38:11,088 --> 00:38:12,965 Money for kids was a better story. 708 00:38:16,511 --> 00:38:18,178 Normally I would make a joke 709 00:38:18,262 --> 00:38:20,473 about being that kind of music they play 710 00:38:20,556 --> 00:38:22,850 at farewell parties for gangster lawyers, 711 00:38:22,933 --> 00:38:26,103 but as we have Cliff Haines on the line, 712 00:38:26,186 --> 00:38:28,856 the president of the Pennsylvania Bar Association, 713 00:38:28,981 --> 00:38:30,816 I'll let this one go, Cliff. I won't speak. 714 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:35,112 I think they pleaded guilty 715 00:38:35,195 --> 00:38:38,073 -For tax evasion. -Correct. 716 00:38:38,198 --> 00:38:44,789 What does that mean? They did not confess for sending children 717 00:38:44,872 --> 00:38:48,000 to an institution for minors in exchange for money. 718 00:38:48,083 --> 00:38:50,044 The federal government can discuss with you 719 00:38:50,127 --> 00:38:52,212 that they did just that. 720 00:38:52,755 --> 00:38:55,883 Cliff Haines is president of the Pennsylvania Bar Association. 721 00:38:55,966 --> 00:38:59,512 Don't go away, let's talk to him more. It's good that you listen. 722 00:39:00,137 --> 00:39:02,264 The government said from day one 723 00:39:02,347 --> 00:39:06,101 that was quid pro quo. Now Ciavarella was saying, "It's not true." 724 00:39:06,226 --> 00:39:08,563 And we started to see 725 00:39:08,646 --> 00:39:11,482 that this agreement was not going to work out very well, 726 00:39:11,566 --> 00:39:13,943 As we wait, I don't eat. 727 00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:17,572 I just know that the deal is off the table 728 00:39:17,947 --> 00:39:20,408 and we must prepare for judgment. 729 00:39:20,575 --> 00:39:23,994 Police say he sold children for money. 730 00:39:24,286 --> 00:39:28,082 That's what the police said they would check 731 00:39:28,165 --> 00:39:30,710 if the case went to trial. 732 00:39:34,464 --> 00:39:35,881 Center for Juvenile Law. 733 00:39:35,965 --> 00:39:40,010 I think what Ciavarella did was like putting on a toga 734 00:39:40,094 --> 00:39:42,096 and set up a court in a garage. 735 00:39:43,013 --> 00:39:45,933 When I got the call from Laurene Transue 736 00:39:46,016 --> 00:39:47,643 and I heard what happened to her daughter, 737 00:39:47,727 --> 00:39:49,520 who was in the second year of high school, 738 00:39:49,604 --> 00:39:52,648 our first concern was getting Hillary out of the detention center 739 00:39:52,732 --> 00:39:55,651 and annul the judgment of delinquency. 740 00:39:56,861 --> 00:40:00,364 On the day of my new court hearing, 741 00:40:00,448 --> 00:40:04,660 we went to Judge Ciavarella and said that 742 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,080 the original trial was not attended by a lawyer, 743 00:40:08,163 --> 00:40:13,002 and that I did not know that I had waived my right of representation, 744 00:40:13,794 --> 00:40:17,297 and that we needed another trial. 745 00:40:17,590 --> 00:40:21,343 Ciavarella said, "Okay. You have a week." 746 00:40:22,845 --> 00:40:27,266 On the night before my second hearing, 747 00:40:27,432 --> 00:40:32,062 the Juvenile Law Center wanted a consent decree. 748 00:40:32,146 --> 00:40:33,606 Defender of young people Center fights for justice 749 00:40:33,689 --> 00:40:36,901 The decree of consent is like a conditional, 750 00:40:36,984 --> 00:40:39,361 but the terms are negotiated 751 00:40:39,444 --> 00:40:43,115 and at the end of the decree my record is erased. 752 00:40:44,742 --> 00:40:49,121 Unfortunately, the victim also had to accept the consent decree. 753 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,168 That day at court, we walked in and Ciavarella said: 754 00:40:54,251 --> 00:40:56,962 "Did the victim consent to this? 755 00:40:58,338 --> 00:41:02,301 I think I'll take it, but you know I should say no 756 00:41:02,384 --> 00:41:03,886 for you to learn a lesson." 757 00:41:04,512 --> 00:41:07,139 He seemed determined to send me back. 758 00:41:07,222 --> 00:41:09,517 The Price of Gossip 759 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,562 The failure around the country for to many years, 760 00:41:12,645 --> 00:41:14,354 actually for decades, 761 00:41:14,438 --> 00:41:17,107 that the centers use a quarantine model, 762 00:41:17,191 --> 00:41:20,277 keeping the child away from your community 763 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,822 for a while, with different people 764 00:41:22,905 --> 00:41:26,366 and believing that she would be cured of this behavior, 765 00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:29,036 or at least she wouldn't behave like that at home, 766 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:30,788 and they would be better when they got back. 767 00:41:30,871 --> 00:41:32,372 It doesn't happen automatically. 768 00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:34,792 Putting a child away from home is not something natural, 769 00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:37,336 when not a volunteer. It can be very traumatic 770 00:41:37,419 --> 00:41:39,964 and this disrupts the normal development of the teenager. 771 00:41:43,801 --> 00:41:46,220 They never let you out without parole. 772 00:41:46,303 --> 00:41:48,889 I had problems at school. It was rough with teachers. 773 00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:50,808 I didn't like to do homework, 774 00:41:51,058 --> 00:41:54,311 and instead of saying, "Go to the director," 775 00:41:54,394 --> 00:41:55,855 said, "Go to the parole officer," 776 00:41:55,938 --> 00:41:57,607 because he was down there. 777 00:41:57,690 --> 00:41:58,691 raped and detained without going to school 778 00:41:59,108 --> 00:42:02,486 Things like me jumping a table in the cafeteria once, 779 00:42:02,570 --> 00:42:05,072 and since my agent was at school, that was a violation. 780 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,868 As soon as I went downstairs, he would grab a pair of handcuffs and say: 781 00:42:08,951 --> 00:42:11,328 "If you do that again, you will be detained until you are 21." 782 00:42:11,411 --> 00:42:12,537 It's scary. 783 00:42:13,413 --> 00:42:14,915 When someone says: 784 00:42:14,999 --> 00:42:16,876 "If you do it again, you'll get eight years." 785 00:42:16,959 --> 00:42:19,503 And I'm not even past puberty yet. 786 00:42:20,963 --> 00:42:24,008 One of the disturbing things about the juvenile justice system is that 787 00:42:24,091 --> 00:42:25,384 when children enter the system, 788 00:42:25,467 --> 00:42:27,011 It's incredibly difficult for them to leave. 789 00:42:28,178 --> 00:42:33,183 It has a mechanism that keeps children in the system. 790 00:42:33,267 --> 00:42:36,020 If they leave the detention center, they are on parole. 791 00:42:36,103 --> 00:42:38,272 There are numbers of kids around the country 792 00:42:38,355 --> 00:42:40,941 that are caught during parole 793 00:42:41,025 --> 00:42:44,403 are arrested again for technical parole violations. 794 00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:47,990 It's a story that could go on for months, 795 00:42:48,073 --> 00:42:49,366 but for years. 796 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:51,869 I needed to see Ciavarella's face so many times 797 00:42:51,952 --> 00:42:53,746 that I could unravel it from memory. 798 00:42:54,789 --> 00:42:57,499 Ciavarella is short, 799 00:42:57,625 --> 00:43:01,962 but it has a table and a chair that are huge. 800 00:43:02,129 --> 00:43:05,090 So I'm like this, my neck hurts when I try to look at him. 801 00:43:05,966 --> 00:43:09,053 He sentenced me to Northwestern Academy, which is 802 00:43:09,136 --> 00:43:12,056 military type, they scream in your face. 803 00:43:12,139 --> 00:43:14,349 I'm 14, 13 years old, I said: 804 00:43:14,433 --> 00:43:16,601 "Dude, what do you want? I jumped a table." 805 00:43:17,645 --> 00:43:20,815 You don't take a 12-year-old child, put him with these criminals 806 00:43:20,898 --> 00:43:22,566 and waits for her to leave saying: 807 00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:24,068 "I will be an exemplary citizen." 808 00:43:24,151 --> 00:43:26,028 No, she comes out knowing how to make explosives, 809 00:43:26,111 --> 00:43:28,363 how to steal a place without getting caught. 810 00:43:28,447 --> 00:43:31,742 These kids told me things I didn't need to know 811 00:43:31,826 --> 00:43:33,828 12, 13, 14 years old. 812 00:43:36,831 --> 00:43:39,709 I wanted to escape so badly that I started drawing. 813 00:43:42,753 --> 00:43:45,422 The first word is in a cage because I was trapped. 814 00:43:46,631 --> 00:43:47,632 It's like a cage all day. 815 00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:51,261 The second is a footprint, the act of getting out. 816 00:43:51,345 --> 00:43:53,597 I saw it as a three-step process. 817 00:43:54,724 --> 00:43:57,559 And the last word has the lines of a flag, 818 00:43:57,642 --> 00:43:59,186 firm and strong: "I am free now." 819 00:43:59,895 --> 00:44:02,022 You're under arrest, get out, stay out. 820 00:44:06,235 --> 00:44:10,030 When I was released, it was the greatest joy of my life. 821 00:44:15,535 --> 00:44:17,204 When are you going to jump? 822 00:44:17,287 --> 00:44:19,707 My God! 823 00:44:20,833 --> 00:44:23,711 My son, Eddie, has always been wild. 824 00:44:24,544 --> 00:44:27,547 At the age of two, he rode a bicycle without training wheels. 825 00:44:29,341 --> 00:44:32,469 I didn't spend much time with Ed's father, 826 00:44:32,552 --> 00:44:34,221 but he was always part of his life. 827 00:44:35,389 --> 00:44:39,226 Ed was eight or nine 828 00:44:39,434 --> 00:44:44,148 when the school said he had attention deficit. 829 00:44:44,231 --> 00:44:47,860 He was on Ritalin. I didn't like how it affected him, 830 00:44:47,943 --> 00:44:50,112 so we spent a lot of time on that. 831 00:44:50,237 --> 00:44:53,115 I preferred him to be himself, 832 00:44:53,198 --> 00:44:55,617 regardless of what we had to face... 833 00:44:56,786 --> 00:44:59,413 ...we would improve and he would learn that way. 834 00:45:00,873 --> 00:45:03,708 Ed was always a good boy, respectful, 835 00:45:04,251 --> 00:45:05,836 but when he grew up, 836 00:45:06,253 --> 00:45:08,338 at 14, 15 years old, he drank. 837 00:45:08,422 --> 00:45:09,423 What are you doing? 838 00:45:09,506 --> 00:45:13,218 His grandmother told me that 839 00:45:13,302 --> 00:45:16,430 Ed's dad was drinking and that Ed was drinking too. 840 00:45:18,473 --> 00:45:20,893 I never found it appropriate. 841 00:45:20,976 --> 00:45:24,354 "He needs you as a father, not a friend." 842 00:45:24,438 --> 00:45:26,690 I became love and father. 843 00:45:27,024 --> 00:45:30,360 The summer before senior year, I caught him running away. 844 00:45:30,444 --> 00:45:33,405 to go out with friends, and his father saw him coming home 845 00:45:33,488 --> 00:45:35,950 after drinking too much. 846 00:45:36,241 --> 00:45:39,703 His father had the idea of ​​calling two policemen, 847 00:45:39,786 --> 00:45:41,746 his friends, 848 00:45:41,831 --> 00:45:45,625 take the drugs that were at the party and put them in his truck 849 00:45:45,709 --> 00:45:48,838 so that they would appear to be his possession. 850 00:45:49,964 --> 00:45:52,466 We wanted the best for Ed. 851 00:45:52,549 --> 00:45:56,720 No one would do anything to harm their own child. 852 00:45:57,762 --> 00:46:00,933 I remember standing in front of the judge. 853 00:46:01,016 --> 00:46:04,061 I just remember him saying: 854 00:46:04,144 --> 00:46:06,146 "I will send you to the detention center 855 00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:08,815 for you to think about what you did." 856 00:46:10,109 --> 00:46:14,613 He entered there as a 17 year old free child 857 00:46:14,696 --> 00:46:18,408 and he left there like a calloused man. 858 00:46:20,535 --> 00:46:25,290 It didn't take long for him to get into a fight. 859 00:46:26,291 --> 00:46:28,252 Since he was on probation, 860 00:46:28,335 --> 00:46:30,712 he needed to get back to Judge Ciavarella. 861 00:46:30,795 --> 00:46:33,007 Everyone said, "If you go back to him, 862 00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:35,342 he'll lock you up until you're 21." 863 00:46:35,509 --> 00:46:39,554 He wasn't even 18, so he ran away 864 00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:42,557 to Florida. 865 00:46:43,183 --> 00:46:46,186 He disappeared for about a month 866 00:46:46,270 --> 00:46:48,022 and then returned home. 867 00:46:48,688 --> 00:46:52,734 Two years passed and he was working in construction. 868 00:46:53,235 --> 00:46:57,114 He looked happy again, back to normal, 869 00:46:57,197 --> 00:46:59,992 but he still had Judge Ciavarella's warrant. 870 00:47:01,243 --> 00:47:03,745 Ed was in a car accident. 871 00:47:03,913 --> 00:47:08,167 Judge Ciavarella sentenced him to a detention center 872 00:47:08,292 --> 00:47:12,379 and he stayed there with 13 and 14 year olds. 873 00:47:13,213 --> 00:47:19,844 Ed left and all I saw from him was that he was so angry. 874 00:47:22,056 --> 00:47:23,890 Ed got into another fight 875 00:47:26,226 --> 00:47:28,562 and was charged with serious assault. 876 00:47:28,645 --> 00:47:30,272 So he went to state prison. 877 00:47:33,483 --> 00:47:35,527 Children are not little adults. 878 00:47:35,610 --> 00:47:38,863 The notion that children who commit crimes 879 00:47:38,948 --> 00:47:41,783 should be punished in the same way as adults 880 00:47:41,866 --> 00:47:45,996 it ignores some fundamental points of what we know about children. 881 00:47:49,041 --> 00:47:50,792 The part of their brain 882 00:47:50,875 --> 00:47:53,670 which governs the ability to make decisions 883 00:47:53,753 --> 00:47:56,966 and judgment is the last to develop, 884 00:47:57,049 --> 00:48:00,510 and she continues to develop until she is in her early 20s. 885 00:48:02,804 --> 00:48:06,100 The ability to make decisions is less developed. 886 00:48:06,183 --> 00:48:10,645 Their notion of risk is significantly less developed 887 00:48:10,729 --> 00:48:12,314 than that of an adult. 888 00:48:12,397 --> 00:48:15,525 Their understanding of the consequences of their behavior 889 00:48:15,609 --> 00:48:18,153 It is significantly less developed than that of an adult. 890 00:48:25,535 --> 00:48:27,954 Two judges are being charged with crimes. 891 00:48:28,581 --> 00:48:33,543 It is not for the commission to decide whether they are guilty or innocent. 892 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,381 Our focus is to develop recommendations 893 00:48:37,464 --> 00:48:40,134 to improve Pennsylvania's juvenile justice system. 894 00:48:41,135 --> 00:48:44,471 Our concern is the inaction of others. 895 00:48:45,222 --> 00:48:48,058 Of those who knew, but did not speak. 896 00:48:48,558 --> 00:48:51,103 Of those who saw, but did not act. 897 00:48:52,312 --> 00:48:54,648 I was saying, "I'm the adult, trust me." 898 00:48:54,731 --> 00:48:58,568 Because when we get to court, we can trust the policeman. 899 00:48:58,652 --> 00:49:00,320 We can trust the judge 900 00:49:00,654 --> 00:49:05,659 will do the right thing, be fair, use his authority properly. 901 00:49:05,992 --> 00:49:07,744 And that's not what happened. 902 00:49:07,827 --> 00:49:09,663 You swear to tell the truth, 903 00:49:09,746 --> 00:49:11,581 only the truth, nothing but the truth? 904 00:49:13,833 --> 00:49:15,335 -Yes. -Please sit. 905 00:49:15,544 --> 00:49:16,711 When did you become a promoter? 906 00:49:18,338 --> 00:49:20,549 -In 2004. Yes. -2004? 907 00:49:20,632 --> 00:49:22,259 Who was the chief judge at the time? 908 00:49:22,342 --> 00:49:23,552 It was Ciavarella. 909 00:49:23,635 --> 00:49:25,387 According to the statistics we received, 910 00:49:25,470 --> 00:49:29,058 approximately 54% of cases during this period 911 00:49:29,141 --> 00:49:33,019 there were cases where there was no lawyer or he did not show up 912 00:49:33,103 --> 00:49:35,605 to represent the young man at court. 913 00:49:35,689 --> 00:49:37,107 Half had no representation? 914 00:49:37,191 --> 00:49:38,692 While I was there, 915 00:49:38,775 --> 00:49:41,820 the frequency of cases with and without lawyers was the same. 916 00:49:48,202 --> 00:49:53,039 I'm the leading civil rights attorney for northeast Pennsylvania. 917 00:49:55,041 --> 00:49:58,462 Judge Ciavarella orchestrated a waiver system 918 00:49:58,545 --> 00:50:01,715 to encourage people to waive the right of representation 919 00:50:02,507 --> 00:50:05,760 out of court without proper explanation. 920 00:50:05,844 --> 00:50:10,307 It is unbelievable that number of people did not have lawyers. 921 00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:11,391 We are talking about children. 922 00:50:12,351 --> 00:50:16,062 So a child can sign a contract, 923 00:50:16,146 --> 00:50:20,484 then the parents renounced the rights 924 00:50:20,567 --> 00:50:21,943 because they were afraid, 925 00:50:22,026 --> 00:50:25,114 because they were hearing that they didn't need a lawyer. 926 00:50:25,197 --> 00:50:30,119 I said to my friend, "Dude, did you have a lawyer?" 927 00:50:30,202 --> 00:50:32,662 And she said, "No, nobody has a lawyer." 928 00:50:32,746 --> 00:50:35,499 And I said: "But you don't see Law and Order? 929 00:50:35,582 --> 00:50:39,753 Everyone has lawyers, you should have a lawyer. 930 00:50:39,836 --> 00:50:43,340 If not, you get one. That's not..." 931 00:50:43,423 --> 00:50:46,510 She said, "I don't think it works that way for kids." 932 00:50:48,387 --> 00:50:50,889 Judge Mark A. Ciavarella Jr. of the case children for money resigns 933 00:50:50,972 --> 00:50:52,641 while the court faces ill-judged cases and federal investigations. 934 00:50:52,724 --> 00:50:53,850 I never denied direct to a lawyer. 935 00:50:53,933 --> 00:50:55,185 I shouldn't say that. Just once. 936 00:50:56,353 --> 00:50:57,521 Center seeks in-depth analysis of Ciavarella cases 937 00:50:57,604 --> 00:50:59,063 Since then, if you came to court 938 00:50:59,148 --> 00:51:01,191 and wanted a lawyer, everything was postponed. 939 00:51:01,275 --> 00:51:05,529 That's why we had the waiver, so you could waive that right. 940 00:51:06,738 --> 00:51:08,282 You read and signed. 941 00:51:08,365 --> 00:51:10,575 In court I asked if I had signed. "Yes." 942 00:51:10,659 --> 00:51:11,660 "Do You understand it ?" 943 00:51:11,743 --> 00:51:13,370 "Right, thanks." And the trial followed. 944 00:51:13,453 --> 00:51:14,454 In the juvenile court, justice was silent 945 00:51:14,538 --> 00:51:17,249 It wasn't to try to get someone to confess. 946 00:51:17,332 --> 00:51:19,459 He was not blamed, he was not. 947 00:51:19,584 --> 00:51:21,711 Your constitutional rights are not absolute. 948 00:51:21,795 --> 00:51:23,713 You can waive these rights. 949 00:51:23,797 --> 00:51:25,715 When you resign, the question is 950 00:51:25,799 --> 00:51:28,051 if the waiver was made consciously and voluntarily. 951 00:51:30,345 --> 00:51:33,515 I became an assistant public defender in 1976. 952 00:51:34,683 --> 00:51:36,893 And in 1980, I became chief public defender 953 00:51:36,976 --> 00:51:39,771 and I have been Chief Public Defender since 1980. 954 00:51:39,854 --> 00:51:42,191 For almost 30 years I have commanded the cabinet. 955 00:51:43,942 --> 00:51:47,196 I knew there were a lot of kids there without representation. 956 00:51:47,279 --> 00:51:49,364 However, I could only assume 957 00:51:49,448 --> 00:51:51,325 that there were proper waivers being made, 958 00:51:51,408 --> 00:51:53,660 who actually renounced representation. 959 00:51:54,911 --> 00:51:57,247 They just had to say to the judge: "We want a lawyer", 960 00:51:57,331 --> 00:51:59,249 and a lawyer would be there. 961 00:51:59,333 --> 00:52:01,585 So it was very easy to get a lawyer, 962 00:52:01,668 --> 00:52:05,755 but I can also say that Ciavarella commanded the court 963 00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:08,633 without differentiating cases 964 00:52:08,717 --> 00:52:10,927 in which children had representation or not. 965 00:52:11,010 --> 00:52:12,346 He had them all arrested. 966 00:52:12,429 --> 00:52:15,265 It was a school crime, could be the best lawyer there, 967 00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:16,683 and the child would be taken. 968 00:52:17,726 --> 00:52:20,687 How did you start working at the Juvenile Parole Office? 969 00:52:20,770 --> 00:52:22,939 I applied when the vacancy opened. 970 00:52:24,316 --> 00:52:25,400 And what vacancy was this? 971 00:52:25,484 --> 00:52:29,195 Head of Juvenile Probation/Detention, Internal Administration. 972 00:52:29,279 --> 00:52:31,948 What was your role in the audience? 973 00:52:32,031 --> 00:52:35,285 We gave our recommendations to the judge. 974 00:52:35,369 --> 00:52:39,205 Was there a written policy? 975 00:52:39,289 --> 00:52:43,585 We had zero tolerance policies that the judge had formulated. 976 00:52:47,382 --> 00:52:51,009 We got so paranoid and scared 977 00:52:51,092 --> 00:52:53,803 let's not deal 978 00:52:53,887 --> 00:52:59,893 with violence and problems in schools in a rigid way, 979 00:53:00,226 --> 00:53:02,562 something really bad could happen. 980 00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:09,235 The United States' Zero Tolerance Programs 981 00:53:09,319 --> 00:53:14,449 were the result of shootings, murders like the one at Columbine in 1999. 982 00:53:14,533 --> 00:53:15,534 Columbine's legacy: More policing in schools 983 00:53:15,617 --> 00:53:20,079 We think we should have zero tolerance for bad behavior, 984 00:53:20,163 --> 00:53:22,874 in such a way that when a child misbehaves, 985 00:53:22,957 --> 00:53:25,669 she must be warned and taught how to behave. 986 00:53:25,752 --> 00:53:26,753 Strong community equals less offenders 987 00:53:26,836 --> 00:53:28,338 Establishing laws lessens threats, say school officials 988 00:53:28,463 --> 00:53:29,923 Shootings leave area parents fearful of future 989 00:53:30,006 --> 00:53:32,842 Zero tolerance relies on the idea of ​​children being like adults 990 00:53:32,926 --> 00:53:35,762 about how they can stop misbehaving. 991 00:53:35,845 --> 00:53:39,098 And that if they know that they will be suspended, expelled or arrested 992 00:53:39,182 --> 00:53:43,019 for a series of bad behaviors common in teenagers, 993 00:53:43,102 --> 00:53:48,149 they stopped behaving like teenagers, which is ridiculous. 994 00:53:48,232 --> 00:53:51,361 What we have in this country is a zero tolerance policy 995 00:53:51,445 --> 00:53:56,616 based on a bully theory that does not apply to teenagers, 996 00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:59,453 that suspends, expels and arrests 997 00:53:59,536 --> 00:54:02,789 tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of children a year. 998 00:54:05,459 --> 00:54:09,212 Certainly, after Columbine, everyone needed to stop and say: 999 00:54:09,295 --> 00:54:10,880 "How do we protect our children?" 1000 00:54:10,964 --> 00:54:16,135 And, unfortunately, the word "risk" is always present. 1001 00:54:17,637 --> 00:54:21,391 I have been with the Wilkes-Barre Area School District for 41 years 1002 00:54:21,475 --> 00:54:24,185 in various positions and finally as a director. 1003 00:54:24,268 --> 00:54:26,563 I have been a director for approximately 15 years. 1004 00:54:27,814 --> 00:54:30,066 Without a doubt, we are here to educate children, 1005 00:54:30,149 --> 00:54:33,778 but the most important responsibility is to provide a safe environment. 1006 00:54:33,862 --> 00:54:35,614 No one wants to send their child 1007 00:54:35,697 --> 00:54:37,782 into an environment that does not seem safe. 1008 00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:42,161 What we've done in the last few years 1009 00:54:42,245 --> 00:54:45,457 went to hire a director of security. 1010 00:54:45,582 --> 00:54:49,586 We have three full-time police officers 1011 00:54:49,669 --> 00:54:50,837 in our school district. 1012 00:54:52,338 --> 00:54:55,509 We have introduced zero tolerance policies, 1013 00:54:55,592 --> 00:54:59,971 especially regarding security and things like that. 1014 00:55:03,267 --> 00:55:07,270 Zero tolerance has done a lot of damage to the United States. 1015 00:55:07,353 --> 00:55:10,356 We call it "zero logic, zero sense". 1016 00:55:10,524 --> 00:55:12,066 Leonard E. Weinglass Award for the Defense of Civil Liberties 1017 00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:13,276 July 2010 1018 00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:16,780 I think of shows like Scared Straight, Ciavarella used it 1019 00:55:16,863 --> 00:55:19,533 as a tool of intimidation. 1020 00:55:21,993 --> 00:55:26,080 Columbine played a big part in what happened. 1021 00:55:26,164 --> 00:55:28,124 Schools began to apply serious punishments, 1022 00:55:28,207 --> 00:55:30,585 and cases that were normally resolved informally 1023 00:55:30,669 --> 00:55:32,295 now they were going to the Juvenile Court. 1024 00:55:32,378 --> 00:55:34,714 What if I went to Juvenile Court with Mark Ciavarella 1025 00:55:34,798 --> 00:55:38,968 and you committed a crime at school, you went to juvenile detention. 1026 00:55:39,052 --> 00:55:44,891 Everyone assumes he arrested children for money. 1027 00:55:45,642 --> 00:55:47,644 But he had arrested children forever. 1028 00:55:48,394 --> 00:55:49,688 If you look at the rates, 1029 00:55:49,771 --> 00:55:51,981 dating back to 1996, when he took over the court, 1030 00:55:52,065 --> 00:55:54,651 his rate was very high, close to 20%. 1031 00:55:54,734 --> 00:55:58,988 It wasn't just after building a detention center for minors, 1032 00:55:59,072 --> 00:56:04,453 and this no doubt makes it difficult to know why he arrested young people, 1033 00:56:04,578 --> 00:56:06,621 but he held them ever since. 1034 00:56:06,705 --> 00:56:10,374 There were letters praising Judge Ciavarella for his philosophy. 1035 00:56:10,459 --> 00:56:14,170 Editorials in newspapers about what a great judge he was, 1036 00:56:14,253 --> 00:56:16,756 cleaning the schools, cleaning the streets. 1037 00:56:22,095 --> 00:56:25,640 I wanted kids to think I'm the biggest motherfucker in history. 1038 00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:30,687 I wanted them to be terrified. 1039 00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:32,689 when they had to talk to me. 1040 00:56:32,772 --> 00:56:35,108 Because I hoped that, because of that, 1041 00:56:35,191 --> 00:56:37,360 they would never again put themselves in a position 1042 00:56:37,443 --> 00:56:38,862 when they had to come back to me. 1043 00:56:38,945 --> 00:56:40,780 Leaving Your Mark 1044 00:56:40,864 --> 00:56:44,951 Family has a lot to do with why a child enters the system. 1045 00:56:45,034 --> 00:56:46,995 Ciavarella rigidity is a legal advantage 1046 00:56:47,078 --> 00:56:49,413 People don't know how to be good parents. 1047 00:56:51,082 --> 00:56:54,544 For me, the youth system was trying to teach kids to be responsible. 1048 00:56:54,628 --> 00:56:57,130 Ciavarella to lawbreakers: "You will be punished and imprisoned." 1049 00:56:57,213 --> 00:56:59,173 When I was growing up, 1050 00:56:59,257 --> 00:57:02,552 I didn't need the system to solve my problems. 1051 00:57:02,636 --> 00:57:05,429 My parents solved my problems. 1052 00:57:05,514 --> 00:57:09,392 I wanted to go back to the way my parents raised us. 1053 00:57:09,475 --> 00:57:12,854 They raised us with a lot of love and care, but a lot of discipline. 1054 00:57:15,982 --> 00:57:20,570 My father was very nervous, he lost his temper easily. 1055 00:57:22,196 --> 00:57:24,533 I was starting high school, 1056 00:57:24,616 --> 00:57:27,201 We had a few beers one night. 1057 00:57:27,285 --> 00:57:30,413 A friend said, "Why don't you get in the car and let's go for a drive?" 1058 00:57:30,497 --> 00:57:31,748 Happiness is being a being. 1059 00:57:31,831 --> 00:57:34,668 We were getting into the car 1060 00:57:34,751 --> 00:57:37,128 and I heard a voice say, "What are you doing?" 1061 00:57:39,881 --> 00:57:42,884 I saw my cousin and my friend running. 1062 00:57:43,968 --> 00:57:47,764 The policeman said to me: "You better come with me." 1063 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,435 Soon after, juvenile detective John Gonas 1064 00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,396 said he would take me home. 1065 00:57:55,522 --> 00:58:00,359 As we were driving to the East End, I got more and more nauseous. 1066 00:58:01,402 --> 00:58:04,155 I entered the house. My mother called for my father. 1067 00:58:04,864 --> 00:58:07,116 He said to me, "What's the matter?" 1068 00:58:07,826 --> 00:58:10,244 I looked at my father and said: "We were going to steal..." 1069 00:58:10,328 --> 00:58:11,871 And I couldn't say the word. 1070 00:58:11,955 --> 00:58:15,291 He just looked at me and said, "Look at your mother." 1071 00:58:15,374 --> 00:58:16,918 She was hysterical. 1072 00:58:17,001 --> 00:58:19,754 She kept saying, "I can't believe my son is a criminal." 1073 00:58:19,838 --> 00:58:23,633 At that moment, my father began to prepare his fist. 1074 00:58:23,717 --> 00:58:27,053 I knew it was going to happen. He hit me, I passed out. 1075 00:58:36,938 --> 00:58:41,359 His point of view is that the arrests were part of 1076 00:58:41,442 --> 00:58:46,405 -of a well-thought-out judicial philosophy. -A rehabilitation program. 1077 00:58:46,489 --> 00:58:48,491 -Yes sir. -That you supported. 1078 00:58:48,575 --> 00:58:51,160 To a certain extent, I was supportive. 1079 00:58:51,244 --> 00:58:56,332 So you have no evidence to conclude that the arrests were made 1080 00:58:56,415 --> 00:59:00,670 for an illegitimate or illegal reason. 1081 00:59:00,754 --> 00:59:02,505 I don't think so. 1082 00:59:02,589 --> 00:59:05,884 Unless I'm very naive, I don't think he did. 1083 00:59:05,967 --> 00:59:07,927 Schools have a lot of influence 1084 00:59:08,011 --> 00:59:12,015 in sending complaints to the juvenile system. 1085 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,852 We saw what happened at Columbine. 1086 00:59:15,935 --> 00:59:20,940 And I think there was a reaction across the country and across the world 1087 00:59:21,024 --> 00:59:23,567 which showed that we needed to be tougher with the kids. 1088 00:59:23,652 --> 00:59:25,945 Why was everyone willing to say 1089 00:59:26,029 --> 00:59:27,488 that there was zero tolerance for young people? 1090 00:59:28,907 --> 00:59:31,701 Because everyone loved it. Schools loved it. 1091 00:59:31,785 --> 00:59:34,578 They got rid of bad children. 1092 00:59:34,663 --> 00:59:36,665 When I was at school, when I spat, 1093 00:59:36,748 --> 00:59:40,334 you ended up in the principal's office and stayed there for a few hours. 1094 00:59:40,418 --> 00:59:42,712 In the last few years, he has spit 1095 00:59:42,796 --> 00:59:46,507 they called the police and people went to the juvenile court and were arrested. 1096 00:59:48,843 --> 00:59:51,262 Young people need to know clearly 1097 00:59:51,345 --> 00:59:55,934 that there is a consequence if they choose to break the law. 1098 00:59:56,643 --> 01:00:01,314 And the consequences need to be clear and immediate. 1099 01:00:02,816 --> 01:00:04,067 And I think that's the responsibility 1100 01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:05,819 of the juvenile justice system. 1101 01:00:06,695 --> 01:00:09,948 The reality is that we have seen a significant increase 1102 01:00:10,031 --> 01:00:12,784 no number of cases no juvenile justice system. 1103 01:00:13,952 --> 01:00:16,871 Before Columbine, when misconduct occurred in school, 1104 01:00:16,955 --> 01:00:19,207 we knew what the answer would be. 1105 01:00:19,290 --> 01:00:21,668 It would be a suspension. That would be after hours detention. 1106 01:00:21,751 --> 01:00:24,796 It would be a slap on the wrist, a notation in your log. 1107 01:00:24,879 --> 01:00:28,341 But since Columbine, there has been a movement to assume 1108 01:00:28,424 --> 01:00:31,720 that the juvenile justice system can manage any behavior. 1109 01:00:31,845 --> 01:00:33,930 This, of course, is an exaggeration. 1110 01:00:34,013 --> 01:00:35,598 It's a misuse of the juvenile court system. 1111 01:00:39,518 --> 01:00:41,896 It's getting common 1112 01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:44,733 have police and parole officers 1113 01:00:44,816 --> 01:00:47,651 at school or very close. 1114 01:00:49,612 --> 01:00:51,197 I don't agree with that. 1115 01:00:51,865 --> 01:00:55,284 You can't let one person mess things up. 1116 01:00:55,368 --> 01:00:58,287 to the point that everyone pays the price 1117 01:00:58,371 --> 01:01:00,957 for his inability to control himself. 1118 01:01:02,166 --> 01:01:04,460 If there was a policeman there, a parole officer, 1119 01:01:04,543 --> 01:01:07,005 It's almost like a challenge to students. 1120 01:01:07,088 --> 01:01:09,799 And I think this conveys the image of: 1121 01:01:09,883 --> 01:01:14,763 "We, as a school staff, the principal, don't know how to deal with you." 1122 01:01:16,055 --> 01:01:17,515 We're going to turn them on, 1123 01:01:17,598 --> 01:01:21,895 and we'll do it quickly if we think it's right. 1124 01:01:28,234 --> 01:01:34,073 When I went back to school, it got worse and worse. 1125 01:01:34,908 --> 01:01:39,203 The parole officer has his own office at the school. 1126 01:01:39,287 --> 01:01:42,290 Sitting in the parole office was humiliating. 1127 01:01:43,457 --> 01:01:44,751 big windows, 1128 01:01:44,834 --> 01:01:47,336 and everyone walking between classes. 1129 01:01:47,420 --> 01:01:49,338 And there you were, with the parole officer. 1130 01:01:49,422 --> 01:01:50,965 Respect yourself - Respect others Respect your school 1131 01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:53,843 Some teachers disrespected me. 1132 01:01:53,927 --> 01:01:56,387 And a lot of that came from the fact that: 1133 01:01:56,470 --> 01:02:00,141 "Well, she is one of the children sent to the detention center." 1134 01:02:04,938 --> 01:02:08,732 When I got back to school from the detention center, 1135 01:02:08,817 --> 01:02:11,194 the first month i was fine. 1136 01:02:11,277 --> 01:02:13,112 After that, I fought with the teachers. 1137 01:02:13,196 --> 01:02:15,531 I argued and got suspended. 1138 01:02:15,614 --> 01:02:18,868 I felt like the new girl, even though I wasn't, 1139 01:02:18,952 --> 01:02:20,703 because I already knew everyone. 1140 01:02:20,787 --> 01:02:24,540 But everyone asked me what I did, how I got arrested, 1141 01:02:24,623 --> 01:02:27,376 thinking this was cool, and for me it wasn't. 1142 01:02:30,171 --> 01:02:32,966 When I made a comment in class 1143 01:02:33,049 --> 01:02:35,593 because I was known as the joker and the loudmouth, 1144 01:02:35,676 --> 01:02:38,930 we were talking about a silly escape plan 1145 01:02:39,013 --> 01:02:43,726 in case someone came in with a gun and we needed to flee, 1146 01:02:43,810 --> 01:02:47,271 we would go to the courtyard and run away from school. 1147 01:02:47,355 --> 01:02:50,524 So I said, "You know what, follow the escape plan. 1148 01:02:50,608 --> 01:02:52,068 I'm everyone's friend 1149 01:02:52,151 --> 01:02:56,155 then the child will remember that I borrowed a pencil once." 1150 01:02:57,615 --> 01:03:00,534 The teacher took me to the counselor's room 1151 01:03:00,618 --> 01:03:04,163 and said I knew someone who was going to do a school shooting. 1152 01:03:06,249 --> 01:03:09,961 I didn't fit in, so I felt like I didn't belong. 1153 01:03:10,044 --> 01:03:11,963 First I told my father: 1154 01:03:12,046 --> 01:03:14,215 "It feels like there's something wrong with me. 1155 01:03:14,298 --> 01:03:16,175 I don't feel like I can be around people." 1156 01:03:16,259 --> 01:03:18,177 And he didn't believe me. 1157 01:03:18,261 --> 01:03:20,513 He thought it was an excuse not to go to school. 1158 01:03:20,596 --> 01:03:21,764 And I said, "Dad, 1159 01:03:21,848 --> 01:03:24,392 this is on my mind all the time. 1160 01:03:24,475 --> 01:03:29,105 And it makes me nervous around people. Really. 1161 01:03:30,731 --> 01:03:33,401 I'm not crazy, but something isn't right. 1162 01:03:33,484 --> 01:03:36,445 I cry and sometimes I can't breathe." 1163 01:03:36,529 --> 01:03:38,948 I said, "It's not me, something's wrong." 1164 01:03:39,032 --> 01:03:42,326 That's when I was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress, 1165 01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:44,871 depression, severe anxiety and mood swings. 1166 01:03:45,621 --> 01:03:48,124 I was missing classes 1167 01:03:48,207 --> 01:03:50,376 and I ended up missing 78 days of the first year. 1168 01:03:51,961 --> 01:03:54,213 So I just stayed away. 1169 01:03:59,302 --> 01:04:03,014 In October, I returned home for good. 1170 01:04:05,516 --> 01:04:10,479 In all the years, I missed high school. I never graduated. 1171 01:04:10,563 --> 01:04:15,151 All birthdays before the most recent, age 19, 1172 01:04:15,234 --> 01:04:17,778 I spent it in some detention center. 1173 01:04:32,793 --> 01:04:38,132 I feel like it's my fault 1174 01:04:38,216 --> 01:04:43,346 It's my husband Charlie's and my fault that I lost five years of my life. 1175 01:04:45,056 --> 01:04:50,853 They should have been good years, 1176 01:04:50,937 --> 01:04:54,357 fun teenage years. 1177 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,944 What can he talk about? From incarcerations? 1178 01:05:07,161 --> 01:05:08,496 Many people ask me 1179 01:05:08,579 --> 01:05:11,832 if I hold a grudge against the judge or something. 1180 01:05:11,915 --> 01:05:13,084 I don't. 1181 01:05:14,502 --> 01:05:16,712 I go on with my life. 1182 01:05:16,795 --> 01:05:18,756 It's what I think I should do. 1183 01:05:20,133 --> 01:05:24,928 Go to university and, I don't know, have a family. 1184 01:05:27,848 --> 01:05:29,475 So that's what I'm going to do. 1185 01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:33,812 The future looks good to me. 1186 01:05:42,071 --> 01:05:44,615 Newswatch 16 �s 23h. 1187 01:05:44,698 --> 01:05:46,034 Good evening, I'm Scott Schaffer. 1188 01:05:46,117 --> 01:05:47,660 We start the night with new news 1189 01:05:47,743 --> 01:05:50,288 on the Luzerne County corruption case, 1190 01:05:50,371 --> 01:05:53,582 a former judge agrees to plead guilty a second time. 1191 01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:57,836 Judge Conahan, would you say something about your guilty plea to the people? 1192 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,089 I have no comments right now, Andy. Thanks. 1193 01:06:00,173 --> 01:06:02,050 Former Luzerne County Judge Michael Conahan 1194 01:06:02,133 --> 01:06:05,636 admits that it was an important part of the children's money scheme. 1195 01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:07,930 Investigators say, and Conahan agrees, 1196 01:06:08,014 --> 01:06:11,142 that he and former judge Mark Ciavarella worked together 1197 01:06:11,225 --> 01:06:15,604 for the Pennsylvania Children's Assistance Center to be ready. 1198 01:06:15,688 --> 01:06:20,026 According to the prosecution, Judge Conahan, as chief judge, 1199 01:06:20,109 --> 01:06:22,528 did everything in his power to hide the bribery scheme. 1200 01:06:22,611 --> 01:06:23,612 Conahan pleads guilty to the plan 1201 01:06:23,696 --> 01:06:26,490 He had the public youth center closed. 1202 01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:30,369 Then he sent the young people to a private center 1203 01:06:30,453 --> 01:06:32,080 in which he was interested. 1204 01:06:33,956 --> 01:06:36,459 Michael Conahan will be defeated. 1205 01:06:36,542 --> 01:06:39,128 I told you he was a gangster judge, remember? 1206 01:06:39,212 --> 01:06:43,924 How long have I been saying, "Once a gangster, always a gangster"? 1207 01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:47,303 It all leads back to Conahan. 1208 01:06:47,386 --> 01:06:49,972 This guy was a district judge 1209 01:06:50,056 --> 01:06:52,141 and engaged in various questionable activities. 1210 01:06:52,225 --> 01:06:57,020 I'm looking at an ambulance company, liquor companies, strip clubs. 1211 01:06:57,105 --> 01:06:59,398 Conahan had business that went 1212 01:06:59,482 --> 01:07:02,776 distribution of beverages to ambulance companies. 1213 01:07:02,860 --> 01:07:06,405 If anyone knew how to put something together, it was him. 1214 01:07:13,246 --> 01:07:16,665 I started coming to Florida in 1979. 1215 01:07:17,833 --> 01:07:19,835 We loved coming here. 1216 01:07:19,918 --> 01:07:22,630 I retired in January 2008. 1217 01:07:25,133 --> 01:07:27,718 For the last year, I've been trying to come here as much as I can. 1218 01:07:27,801 --> 01:07:30,638 to clear my head and escape publicity 1219 01:07:30,721 --> 01:07:32,431 of northeastern Pennsylvania. 1220 01:07:32,515 --> 01:07:36,269 Take care of myself and be as discreet as possible. 1221 01:07:40,022 --> 01:07:42,024 There's a side of me that loves Luzerne County, 1222 01:07:42,108 --> 01:07:44,568 and I miss my family and my friends. 1223 01:07:44,652 --> 01:07:47,696 I realized that I made a mistake and I shouldn't have done what I did, 1224 01:07:47,780 --> 01:07:50,116 so I agreed to sign the agreement. 1225 01:07:51,033 --> 01:07:55,037 I shouldn't have done business with the juvenile detention center. 1226 01:07:55,121 --> 01:07:57,456 I'm willing to accept the consequences for that. 1227 01:07:59,333 --> 01:08:01,544 When they received the money, they tried hard 1228 01:08:01,627 --> 01:08:04,880 to hide how they got it and what it was for. 1229 01:08:04,963 --> 01:08:09,802 Mericle wrote a commission agreement 1230 01:08:09,927 --> 01:08:12,430 in which he paid a commission 1231 01:08:12,513 --> 01:08:14,890 to Robert Powell, who was the lawyer. 1232 01:08:14,973 --> 01:08:18,394 Then they would send the money to another bank account, 1233 01:08:18,477 --> 01:08:20,771 which I believe was in Susquehanna County. 1234 01:08:20,854 --> 01:08:23,065 The money from there was transferred 1235 01:08:23,149 --> 01:08:25,067 for businesses controlled by Conahan. 1236 01:08:25,151 --> 01:08:27,695 One of those businesses was Beverage Marketing, 1237 01:08:27,778 --> 01:08:30,406 a liquor distributor from Conahan. 1238 01:08:30,489 --> 01:08:33,659 And again, through a series of financial transactions, 1239 01:08:33,742 --> 01:08:35,244 the money was paid 1240 01:08:35,328 --> 01:08:38,622 and sent to bank accounts controlled by Conahan and Ciavarella. 1241 01:08:39,832 --> 01:08:41,750 It all came back to Beverage Marketing. 1242 01:08:41,834 --> 01:08:46,255 And he recorded that in his financial statements. 1243 01:08:46,339 --> 01:08:50,301 I don't think any amount that went into Beverage Marketing was wrong. 1244 01:08:50,384 --> 01:08:52,511 If it was a commission and the amount entered, 1245 01:08:52,595 --> 01:08:54,222 either at Beverage Marketing, 1246 01:08:54,305 --> 01:08:55,306 whether in my name, 1247 01:08:55,389 --> 01:08:57,766 whether I gave it to you or to charity, 1248 01:08:57,850 --> 01:08:59,852 I don't see this as a form of tax evasion. 1249 01:08:59,977 --> 01:09:03,856 Several people make transfers, write checks, it's normal in business. 1250 01:09:03,939 --> 01:09:06,066 Conahan had immense power. 1251 01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:09,278 He decided he was going to remove funds from the government budget 1252 01:09:09,362 --> 01:09:11,239 to the juvenile detention center 1253 01:09:11,322 --> 01:09:13,449 and that it would be closed. 1254 01:09:13,532 --> 01:09:15,201 Everyone knew at the time 1255 01:09:15,284 --> 01:09:18,120 that Ciavarella was a strict, zero-tolerance judge, 1256 01:09:18,204 --> 01:09:20,623 and that he had high shipping rates for arrest. 1257 01:09:20,706 --> 01:09:23,292 Even so, the banks were afraid 1258 01:09:23,376 --> 01:09:26,837 in funding this new juvenile detention center. 1259 01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,964 The next thing Conahan did 1260 01:09:29,047 --> 01:09:33,176 went to sign a secret agreement with Robert Powell, 1261 01:09:33,261 --> 01:09:37,473 which essentially guaranteed that young people would be sent to the centre. 1262 01:09:38,891 --> 01:09:42,520 I think that, in general, it was Conahan who ran the plan. 1263 01:09:42,603 --> 01:09:43,646 Police say Conahan ran the show 1264 01:09:43,729 --> 01:09:46,649 And Ciavarella just followed him. 1265 01:10:01,539 --> 01:10:05,834 He and I participated in the scheme 1266 01:10:05,918 --> 01:10:07,836 to set up the kickback scheme. 1267 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:08,921 Ciavarella was not convinced by Conahan 1268 01:10:09,004 --> 01:10:11,924 I wouldn't mind so much if you hadn't lied to me. 1269 01:10:12,758 --> 01:10:15,218 Let's put it like this. Every time it seems like it won't get any worse, 1270 01:10:15,303 --> 01:10:17,179 -it gets worse. - It gets worse. 1271 01:10:21,934 --> 01:10:25,938 I made a mistake accepting payment when I was a judge. 1272 01:10:26,939 --> 01:10:27,981 That's the problem. 1273 01:10:29,232 --> 01:10:30,318 The government told me: 1274 01:10:30,401 --> 01:10:32,695 "There was an extrajudicial payment. 1275 01:10:32,778 --> 01:10:34,029 You shouldn't have accepted it. 1276 01:10:34,112 --> 01:10:37,074 It was an ethical violation. A corrupt act. 1277 01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:40,536 Let's call it a donation. You will admit that it was a donation. 1278 01:10:40,619 --> 01:10:42,288 So it would be a bribe." 1279 01:10:42,788 --> 01:10:44,998 He told me that when he pleaded guilty, 1280 01:10:45,082 --> 01:10:50,504 he would not agree with facts involving kickbacks or bribery. 1281 01:10:50,588 --> 01:10:53,424 Children for money, nothing. It's him... 1282 01:10:53,507 --> 01:10:55,050 The first document they sent him 1283 01:10:55,133 --> 01:10:59,638 it was just about a bribe or kickback scheme, 1284 01:10:59,722 --> 01:11:01,640 and he signed it. 1285 01:11:01,974 --> 01:11:05,478 There is no truth to the scheme. There was no blueprint. 1286 01:11:07,145 --> 01:11:09,272 I just don't understand how he could tell me something 1287 01:11:09,357 --> 01:11:11,734 and do something completely different. 1288 01:11:15,321 --> 01:11:18,574 If that's the last thing I need to admit to doing, 1289 01:11:18,657 --> 01:11:20,283 I can live with it. 1290 01:11:21,827 --> 01:11:23,746 I can justify it in my head. 1291 01:11:26,665 --> 01:11:31,253 I think my father is still delusional about Mike Conahan. 1292 01:11:32,212 --> 01:11:35,257 He is the puppet master with the strings, 1293 01:11:35,341 --> 01:11:38,051 and my dad was on the wire, just swinging. 1294 01:11:38,135 --> 01:11:42,055 I believe there was something the government knew 1295 01:11:42,139 --> 01:11:44,016 About Mike Conahan. 1296 01:11:45,183 --> 01:11:49,104 I must say that he had a different life than my father. 1297 01:11:49,187 --> 01:11:51,565 If I feel betrayed? For sure. 1298 01:11:51,649 --> 01:11:54,360 Do I feel like I was lied to? Definitely. 1299 01:11:54,443 --> 01:11:57,946 Can I believe what Mike did to me? No, I can't. 1300 01:11:58,030 --> 01:12:01,700 But the reality is that he did and now I have to live with it. 1301 01:12:08,666 --> 01:12:11,126 Judge, have you been praying the last few days? 1302 01:12:12,378 --> 01:12:15,047 I try to take it one day at a time, 1303 01:12:16,882 --> 01:12:18,384 one problem at a time. 1304 01:12:19,593 --> 01:12:25,474 And I know in my heart that I didn't do what these people are talking about. 1305 01:12:25,558 --> 01:12:30,145 And since I know I didn't do what they're saying, 1306 01:12:30,228 --> 01:12:33,231 I can live with myself and I can live with the result. 1307 01:12:35,233 --> 01:12:38,278 I'd rather risk going to prison for the rest of my life 1308 01:12:38,361 --> 01:12:41,740 instead of admitting that I did something that I didn't. 1309 01:12:43,867 --> 01:12:46,787 At the time of judgment, everyone will know 1310 01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:49,748 that I never sent a child for a coin. 1311 01:12:50,123 --> 01:12:51,792 And everyone will know it. 1312 01:13:01,259 --> 01:13:02,636 -Good luck honey. -Thanks. 1313 01:13:07,975 --> 01:13:09,435 -I love you. -I love you. 1314 01:13:19,111 --> 01:13:21,697 Why is he on trial? 1315 01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:23,365 if we know that he is guilty? 1316 01:13:23,449 --> 01:13:28,787 Yes, but you don't believe he has the right to defend himself? 1317 01:13:28,871 --> 01:13:31,832 This is the base of the United States. 1318 01:13:31,915 --> 01:13:34,752 What you are saying does not go against 1319 01:13:34,835 --> 01:13:37,254 everything we believe in America? 1320 01:13:37,838 --> 01:13:40,132 No, he is guilty. 1321 01:13:42,217 --> 01:13:44,845 High security for a defendant who is not in custody, 1322 01:13:44,928 --> 01:13:46,388 here in federal court in Scranton. 1323 01:13:46,472 --> 01:13:50,643 Here's Former Judge Mark Ciavarella and His Lawyers and Files 1324 01:13:50,768 --> 01:13:53,479 entering federal court in downtown Scranton. 1325 01:13:54,271 --> 01:13:56,189 Ciavarella was indicted for participating 1326 01:13:56,273 --> 01:13:58,400 in the kids-for-money scheme two years ago. 1327 01:13:58,484 --> 01:14:01,028 Jury selection is starting here this morning. 1328 01:14:05,616 --> 01:14:09,452 In the opening, I thought of presenting the conflicting frames 1329 01:14:09,537 --> 01:14:11,664 of those guys who were lucky 1330 01:14:11,747 --> 01:14:13,582 of someone coming along and wanting to give them $1 million. 1331 01:14:13,666 --> 01:14:15,083 "...not knowing that it was illegal." 1332 01:14:15,167 --> 01:14:16,919 "...and I didn't need to declare it." 1333 01:14:17,002 --> 01:14:20,005 They didn't know it was wrong. It's almost a joke. 1334 01:14:21,674 --> 01:14:24,092 Ciavarella always defended that there was no scheme. 1335 01:14:24,176 --> 01:14:27,555 It wasn't about kids for money, it wasn't being judged for it. 1336 01:14:27,638 --> 01:14:30,182 He was being judged on monetary transactions. 1337 01:14:30,265 --> 01:14:33,476 And the government explained that it had legal and strategic reasons 1338 01:14:33,561 --> 01:14:35,604 not to address this aspect. 1339 01:14:35,688 --> 01:14:38,816 They had clear evidence of monetary transactions, 1340 01:14:38,899 --> 01:14:40,609 and that would be enough for condemnation, 1341 01:14:40,693 --> 01:14:42,986 therefore opted for this approach. 1342 01:14:43,821 --> 01:14:44,947 Was that from the scheme? 1343 01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:49,952 Who else could say besides Mark Ciavarella? 1344 01:14:50,035 --> 01:14:52,705 But the public would never agree that it wasn't. 1345 01:14:54,081 --> 01:14:56,834 I know that a good part of the public is disappointed 1346 01:14:56,917 --> 01:15:00,796 for Mark Ciavarella not being charged with the children's money scheme. 1347 01:15:01,463 --> 01:15:03,006 And that would allow 1348 01:15:03,090 --> 01:15:05,968 Mark Ciavarella used evidence that he was not selling kids 1349 01:15:06,577 --> 01:15:08,721 for cash, but he did this before. 1350 01:15:08,804 --> 01:15:12,057 Or that some families thought he had done the right thing. 1351 01:15:12,307 --> 01:15:14,017 This would create an unpleasant situation. 1352 01:15:14,351 --> 01:15:18,772 So it looks like the prosecutor made the decision 1353 01:15:18,856 --> 01:15:21,984 to charge him with financial crimes. 1354 01:15:22,067 --> 01:15:25,320 Because if Mark Ciavarella went to prison for 12 or 15 years, 1355 01:15:25,403 --> 01:15:27,155 for how many years it was, 1356 01:15:27,740 --> 01:15:30,492 what is the difference between being for financial crimes 1357 01:15:30,576 --> 01:15:31,910 or for something else? 1358 01:15:49,427 --> 01:15:52,055 Whenever I leave the court, 1359 01:15:52,139 --> 01:15:55,726 a reporter asked me, "Do you have anything to say to the kids?" 1360 01:15:55,809 --> 01:15:57,019 Right. 1361 01:15:57,102 --> 01:15:59,562 "The children you arrested?" 1362 01:16:00,438 --> 01:16:01,774 I never answered. 1363 01:16:02,983 --> 01:16:07,029 I'd say, "I did what I thought was best for you. 1364 01:16:07,112 --> 01:16:10,032 Sorry for not giving a better example. 1365 01:16:10,115 --> 01:16:12,242 about how you should live your life. 1366 01:16:13,326 --> 01:16:16,496 But when I made decisions that affected his life, 1367 01:16:16,579 --> 01:16:18,916 I did what I thought was best for you." 1368 01:16:23,295 --> 01:16:26,674 The public corruption trial in federal court in Scranton... 1369 01:16:28,133 --> 01:16:32,638 ...from former Chief Justice of Luzerne County, Mark Ciavarella... 1370 01:16:34,014 --> 01:16:35,182 ...will be closed today. 1371 01:16:36,349 --> 01:16:38,476 They are still there. They finished reading the charges. 1372 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:39,770 I don't think he'll be in custody. 1373 01:16:41,146 --> 01:16:42,314 Former Judge Mark Ciavarella... 1374 01:16:43,691 --> 01:16:46,276 ...is still in court number one on the fourth floor, 1375 01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:49,612 where he has been for ten days since the start of the trial, 1376 01:16:49,697 --> 01:16:52,658 now it's former convicted judge Mark Ciavarella. 1377 01:16:52,741 --> 01:16:55,452 I guess the calm after the storm... 1378 01:16:55,535 --> 01:17:00,833 ...mixed verdict, but at the end of the day, he's guilty of very serious crimes. 1379 01:17:00,916 --> 01:17:02,334 Tony! 1380 01:17:10,884 --> 01:17:12,720 How do you feel? 1381 01:17:13,511 --> 01:17:15,723 We are amazed. 1382 01:17:15,806 --> 01:17:19,267 The juries rejected 95% of the public case. 1383 01:17:19,351 --> 01:17:23,063 They rejected most theories of kickbacks and bribery. 1384 01:17:23,814 --> 01:17:27,067 The government lost the case today, 1385 01:17:27,150 --> 01:17:32,698 and it just goes to show that what Mark Ciavarella has been saying all this time is true. 1386 01:17:32,781 --> 01:17:35,617 He never took bribes. He never took a bribe. 1387 01:17:35,701 --> 01:17:38,453 This is not a case of kids for money. 1388 01:17:38,536 --> 01:17:40,706 We hope that someone starts to understand this message! 1389 01:17:40,789 --> 01:17:42,082 -My son is not here! -Madam! 1390 01:17:42,165 --> 01:17:43,959 My son is not here. He's dead! 1391 01:17:44,042 --> 01:17:47,129 He ruined my life! 1392 01:17:47,212 --> 01:17:50,132 I want him to burn in hellfire! 1393 01:17:51,008 --> 01:17:52,968 No, do you know what he told the court? 1394 01:17:53,051 --> 01:17:55,428 "You need to take responsibility for your actions!" 1395 01:17:55,512 --> 01:17:57,347 It's you who needs it! Do you remember me? 1396 01:17:57,430 --> 01:18:01,476 Do you remember me? Remember my son, an award-winning fighter? 1397 01:18:01,559 --> 01:18:03,771 He's gone! He shot himself through the heart! 1398 01:18:03,854 --> 01:18:06,774 You damn! You ruined my life! 1399 01:18:06,857 --> 01:18:08,358 I hate him! 1400 01:18:09,234 --> 01:18:10,736 ...suicide. 1401 01:18:11,028 --> 01:18:13,321 -Someone better do something with him! -We will. 1402 01:18:15,282 --> 01:18:17,409 -What was your first reaction? -Mark Ciavarella, 1403 01:18:17,951 --> 01:18:23,665 guilty of 12 of 39 federal offenses. 1404 01:18:23,749 --> 01:18:28,545 Judgment day has arrived and Mark Ciavarella is going to hell. 1405 01:18:28,628 --> 01:18:31,882 -Are you still getting your pension? -Cry, you asshole. 1406 01:18:32,507 --> 01:18:36,136 Ciavarella was found guilty of extortion, mail fraud, 1407 01:18:36,219 --> 01:18:40,849 money laundering, conspiracy and falsifying tax returns. 1408 01:18:42,017 --> 01:18:44,686 The jury found the former judge not guilty of 27 counts, 1409 01:18:46,646 --> 01:18:48,481 including fraud, taking bribes, 1410 01:18:48,565 --> 01:18:51,276 five instances of money laundering and extortion. 1411 01:18:53,611 --> 01:18:56,489 I was disappointed they didn't blame him for more accusations, 1412 01:18:56,573 --> 01:18:58,826 but i think it was enough 1413 01:19:00,077 --> 01:19:03,455 to lock him up for 10 to 15 years at least. 1414 01:19:03,789 --> 01:19:04,790 Ciavarella guilty of extortion 1415 01:19:04,873 --> 01:19:07,250 He is 60 years old, if he takes 15 years, 1416 01:19:07,334 --> 01:19:08,543 he will be 75. 1417 01:19:08,626 --> 01:19:11,379 Unless he leaves for good behavior and all. 1418 01:19:11,463 --> 01:19:14,800 Maybe now he sees 1419 01:19:14,883 --> 01:19:17,719 what it's like to be separated from your family. 1420 01:19:18,053 --> 01:19:19,387 And this mother? 1421 01:19:19,471 --> 01:19:22,057 -Sad, I feel bad for her. -Yes. 1422 01:19:22,140 --> 01:19:24,684 -Her son committed suicide. -Yes. 1423 01:19:24,767 --> 01:19:26,478 He shot himself in the heart. 1424 01:19:46,456 --> 01:19:49,042 January 2010, 1425 01:19:49,126 --> 01:19:51,669 Ed was released from state prison. 1426 01:19:52,295 --> 01:19:56,884 He returned home for five months, managed to stay. 1427 01:20:26,121 --> 01:20:27,789 It was Memorial Day. 1428 01:20:27,873 --> 01:20:31,751 Ed was at the top of the mountain with his father. 1429 01:20:36,714 --> 01:20:38,884 Vitria de Kenzakoski. 1430 01:20:39,217 --> 01:20:43,096 They drank all day, as usual. 1431 01:20:45,223 --> 01:20:48,726 He shouldn't be drinking, he was on probation. 1432 01:20:49,477 --> 01:20:51,563 He was fighting with his father. 1433 01:20:55,442 --> 01:20:58,486 I was talking to him, asking to come: 1434 01:20:58,570 --> 01:21:00,238 "You have work tomorrow, come to sleep." 1435 01:21:00,322 --> 01:21:04,076 "No! I will... I want to be closer to work." 1436 01:21:12,084 --> 01:21:16,213 And he ended up going to his cabin by the water. 1437 01:21:18,006 --> 01:21:20,467 He took a gun and shot himself in the heart. 1438 01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:41,654 It's all hearts. 1439 01:21:43,781 --> 01:21:46,451 I talked to Ed and said that 1440 01:21:46,534 --> 01:21:50,247 I was struggling and needed a sign that he is with me. 1441 01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:53,916 I was walking and my foot hit something, 1442 01:21:54,001 --> 01:21:56,711 I automatically bent down to pick it up. 1443 01:21:56,794 --> 01:21:59,631 When I picked it up, I thought: 1444 01:21:59,714 --> 01:22:02,092 "That looks like a crooked heart." 1445 01:22:02,175 --> 01:22:04,594 Then I turned and that was it. 1446 01:22:09,391 --> 01:22:12,727 This one I found in the park. 1447 01:22:12,810 --> 01:22:15,897 And this is just a smooth round stone with a heart. 1448 01:22:15,981 --> 01:22:19,442 It looks like it was recorded there. I found this one in the water. 1449 01:22:20,902 --> 01:22:25,240 No matter how many signals I get, I still miss his voice. 1450 01:22:25,323 --> 01:22:27,075 I miss hearing the word "mother". 1451 01:22:27,159 --> 01:22:29,119 I miss his smile. 1452 01:22:30,578 --> 01:22:31,621 I miss talking to him. 1453 01:22:31,704 --> 01:22:35,375 I miss everything, vacations, holidays and... 1454 01:22:54,686 --> 01:22:58,981 It wasn't like we had a grand life. 1455 01:23:00,233 --> 01:23:04,446 Most of the money I received I used to send my children to school, 1456 01:23:04,529 --> 01:23:05,822 pay some debts. 1457 01:23:06,823 --> 01:23:08,491 And now here I am, 60 years old... 1458 01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:11,453 ...with nothing, 1459 01:23:11,536 --> 01:23:15,415 living with my brother-in-law and sister-in-law. 1460 01:23:20,337 --> 01:23:23,840 I had difficulties, you know: "Why did I take this money?" 1461 01:23:24,757 --> 01:23:28,928 I don't know if it was necessarily greed that made me accept it. 1462 01:23:29,011 --> 01:23:32,140 I think it was more a feeling of financial security. 1463 01:23:32,224 --> 01:23:34,434 All the things you want to do with your kids, 1464 01:23:34,517 --> 01:23:38,396 I had the opportunity to do it because I was going to receive that money. 1465 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:39,731 And... 1466 01:23:42,692 --> 01:23:44,652 I destroyed my life because of this. 1467 01:23:45,153 --> 01:23:46,821 Can you lift your head, Marco? 1468 01:23:46,904 --> 01:23:49,241 -Lift your head for photos. - Party hat. 1469 01:23:49,324 --> 01:23:51,243 - Party hat. -Just for the pictures, buddy. 1470 01:23:51,326 --> 01:23:55,497 I have a grandson who will be two in July. 1471 01:23:56,581 --> 01:23:57,915 Everything is fine. 1472 01:23:58,250 --> 01:24:00,418 I have a grandson on the way. 1473 01:24:02,044 --> 01:24:03,588 have a good chance 1474 01:24:04,756 --> 01:24:08,926 of these children not knowing me personally. 1475 01:24:09,469 --> 01:24:14,099 They'll probably only know me from stories and pictures or... 1476 01:24:15,933 --> 01:24:19,354 I hope they understand 1477 01:24:20,272 --> 01:24:24,276 that I wasn't as bad as people say. 1478 01:24:27,279 --> 01:24:31,199 I hope they understand that their grandfather 1479 01:24:33,285 --> 01:24:35,077 made a serious mistake. 1480 01:24:36,121 --> 01:24:37,455 And... 1481 01:24:46,298 --> 01:24:48,841 You can't be part of their lives because of that. 1482 01:24:53,471 --> 01:24:54,972 ...difficult. 1483 01:24:57,809 --> 01:24:59,811 What do they end up knowing? 1484 01:25:09,446 --> 01:25:12,031 It's just that their grandfather was a terrible person. 1485 01:25:48,526 --> 01:25:51,696 Today I stand before you to hear my sentence of imprisonment. 1486 01:25:53,114 --> 01:25:54,491 I want to take this opportunity 1487 01:25:54,574 --> 01:25:57,410 to apologize to the citizens of Luzerne County 1488 01:25:57,494 --> 01:25:59,954 for violating their trust in me. 1489 01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:02,999 To all the young people who appeared before me, 1490 01:26:03,082 --> 01:26:04,667 I would also apologize to them, 1491 01:26:04,751 --> 01:26:08,045 and would ask if they would forgive me for being a hypocrite. 1492 01:26:08,129 --> 01:26:10,798 I hope they learn from my mistake 1493 01:26:10,882 --> 01:26:14,386 and realize that everything we do in life has consequences. 1494 01:26:15,262 --> 01:26:17,930 I was sentenced for a crime I never committed. 1495 01:26:18,723 --> 01:26:21,142 There was no connection between the money I received 1496 01:26:21,226 --> 01:26:23,728 and children placed in Child Care. 1497 01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:30,735 But today, I'm here to be guilty as a judge of children for money. 1498 01:26:32,194 --> 01:26:35,698 Those three words made me the personification of evil. 1499 01:26:36,073 --> 01:26:37,492 They caused a public commotion, 1500 01:26:37,575 --> 01:26:40,119 of a size that this community had never seen. 1501 01:26:43,205 --> 01:26:46,501 I lost everything I worked for and everything I loved. 1502 01:26:46,584 --> 01:26:48,545 But I will never lose my strength 1503 01:26:48,628 --> 01:26:52,340 to fight against those who say that I received money to imprison children, 1504 01:26:52,424 --> 01:26:53,716 because I never got it. 1505 01:26:55,176 --> 01:26:56,886 Ironic.... 1506 01:26:56,969 --> 01:26:59,847 let this sentence be for the crimes I committed, 1507 01:26:59,931 --> 01:27:02,600 and not for a crime or crimes I didn't commit. 1508 01:27:03,601 --> 01:27:06,896 Thanks for the opportunity to say what I needed to say. 1509 01:27:06,979 --> 01:27:08,481 What can you tell us? 1510 01:27:08,565 --> 01:27:11,443 We will definitely try a appeal. 1511 01:27:28,376 --> 01:27:30,086 Family applaud sentence 1512 01:27:53,192 --> 01:27:56,696 There are journalists who live to have a story like that. 1513 01:27:57,322 --> 01:27:59,991 But it is distressing that this happened in your region 1514 01:28:00,074 --> 01:28:02,034 and with people you know. 1515 01:28:02,118 --> 01:28:03,703 That day with Sandy Fonzo, I... 1516 01:28:03,786 --> 01:28:05,079 The Judgment of the Century 1517 01:28:05,162 --> 01:28:08,666 It was devastating to hear her speak. It was heartbreaking. 1518 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,920 I see her picture on the front page. 1519 01:28:15,006 --> 01:28:17,717 Of all, this is the thing I will remember the most. 1520 01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,177 of those two years. 1521 01:28:28,019 --> 01:28:31,398 The next day, my phone wouldn't stop ringing, multiple messages. 1522 01:28:31,481 --> 01:28:34,401 This went on every day for weeks. 1523 01:28:36,736 --> 01:28:37,904 Different groups of lawyers. 1524 01:28:37,987 --> 01:28:41,115 Several people telling me: "This happened to me", 1525 01:28:41,198 --> 01:28:42,700 and "Please help me." 1526 01:28:42,784 --> 01:28:44,452 You know, I felt overwhelmed. 1527 01:28:44,536 --> 01:28:46,454 I'm not a lawyer, I'm not... 1528 01:28:46,538 --> 01:28:49,916 I can only do what I did. 1529 01:28:50,041 --> 01:28:54,462 In honor of Ed, his mother Sandy became an advocate 1530 01:28:54,546 --> 01:28:57,882 of changes within the juvenile justice system. 1531 01:29:00,217 --> 01:29:02,512 No one listened because they were children. 1532 01:29:02,595 --> 01:29:05,097 Even though sometimes I was in detention 1533 01:29:05,181 --> 01:29:07,934 and think, "This is unfair. 1534 01:29:08,017 --> 01:29:12,104 I hate authorities. I hate judges and police and all. 1535 01:29:12,188 --> 01:29:14,482 I hate our legal system." 1536 01:29:14,566 --> 01:29:18,069 And I ended up being saved by the legal system. 1537 01:29:18,903 --> 01:29:20,655 There are people who are still good 1538 01:29:20,738 --> 01:29:25,367 and they can serve justice properly. 1539 01:29:26,035 --> 01:29:29,163 Something so negative can change. 1540 01:29:30,247 --> 01:29:34,961 Hillary graduated from university and plans to become an English teacher 1541 01:29:35,044 --> 01:29:37,004 focusing on children at risk. 1542 01:29:39,090 --> 01:29:41,092 At almost 22 years old, I'm still not in school. 1543 01:29:42,218 --> 01:29:44,303 I find it a little embarrassing. 1544 01:29:45,429 --> 01:29:48,683 What I want to do is study Music 1545 01:29:48,766 --> 01:29:49,851 na Berklee College of Music. 1546 01:29:49,934 --> 01:29:52,895 Of all music schools, it is the most prestigious. 1547 01:29:52,979 --> 01:29:55,356 You need to be the best of the best to get in there. 1548 01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,399 I want to be a musician. 1549 01:29:57,484 --> 01:29:59,401 In North Central there was a program: 1550 01:29:59,486 --> 01:30:02,446 If I was 17, I could do high school and not go to high school, 1551 01:30:02,530 --> 01:30:06,033 and for someone aged 17, not going to school is too much. 1552 01:30:06,450 --> 01:30:08,244 I regret having done this. 1553 01:30:09,286 --> 01:30:11,831 Because everyone I know is going to university. 1554 01:30:11,914 --> 01:30:13,708 Stayed in high school, got good grades 1555 01:30:13,791 --> 01:30:15,752 and now they have more options than me. 1556 01:30:19,964 --> 01:30:23,968 Justin lives with his mother, works as a cook and writes songs. 1557 01:30:24,051 --> 01:30:26,638 He hopes to study Music. 1558 01:30:28,765 --> 01:30:31,475 If I hadn't been homeschooled, I would have dropped out of school. 1559 01:30:32,894 --> 01:30:34,854 I'm still graduating from the same school. 1560 01:30:34,937 --> 01:30:37,231 I still go to school to graduate. 1561 01:30:38,816 --> 01:30:42,153 I fixed my hair and started to get nervous. 1562 01:30:42,654 --> 01:30:44,781 I think I'm going to throw up. 1563 01:30:44,864 --> 01:30:48,868 I'm taking medicine to not go crazy and stuff. 1564 01:30:48,951 --> 01:30:50,870 I get a cold sweat and everything, 1565 01:30:50,953 --> 01:30:52,914 because there will be many people there 1566 01:30:52,997 --> 01:30:55,875 and I am very nervous about them. 1567 01:30:56,292 --> 01:30:58,753 I'm glad I made it to the end. 1568 01:30:58,836 --> 01:31:01,463 I didn't think I was going to graduate. 1569 01:31:01,548 --> 01:31:04,759 My mother, my father and my sister 1570 01:31:04,842 --> 01:31:07,303 kept giving me confidence: 1571 01:31:07,386 --> 01:31:09,388 "Amanda, get your voice." 1572 01:31:09,471 --> 01:31:11,515 They haven't given up on me. 1573 01:31:14,811 --> 01:31:18,064 I'm my father's only daughter to graduate. 1574 01:31:20,775 --> 01:31:22,359 Amanda Lorah. 1575 01:31:26,363 --> 01:31:28,741 I was nervous on stage. 1576 01:31:28,825 --> 01:31:31,994 Afterwards, I relaxed. 1577 01:31:33,370 --> 01:31:36,082 It's the best feeling in the world, I've never felt this before. 1578 01:31:36,165 --> 01:31:38,668 I think I'm going to cry with joy. 1579 01:31:42,755 --> 01:31:46,593 Amanda lives in California with her father. 1580 01:31:46,676 --> 01:31:49,762 She still suffers from post-traumatic stress. 1581 01:31:57,561 --> 01:32:01,065 Sometimes I think the choices I made were... 1582 01:32:01,190 --> 01:32:02,399 They were wrong. 1583 01:32:02,859 --> 01:32:04,568 I didn't do the best I could. 1584 01:32:04,652 --> 01:32:07,488 And that's horrible, I see your picture 1585 01:32:07,571 --> 01:32:09,281 and I know that you are here. 1586 01:32:10,825 --> 01:32:13,661 They accused me of using a credit card, which I used. 1587 01:32:13,745 --> 01:32:18,249 It belonged to my grandfather and his wife. 1588 01:32:18,750 --> 01:32:23,212 The charges I received were 31 instances of fraud 1589 01:32:23,671 --> 01:32:26,298 by using your credit card, of course. 1590 01:32:26,382 --> 01:32:29,886 And one for receiving stolen property for being in his possession. 1591 01:32:29,969 --> 01:32:31,638 I don't remember doing that. 1592 01:32:31,721 --> 01:32:33,890 I was finished drinking. 1593 01:32:33,973 --> 01:32:37,894 And we weren't drinking, we were smoking marijuana, taking pills. 1594 01:32:39,436 --> 01:32:42,439 It was all heavy. She needed to find a job. 1595 01:32:42,523 --> 01:32:44,108 I was 18 years old. 1596 01:32:44,901 --> 01:32:48,445 While I was detained, they never let me, you know... 1597 01:32:48,529 --> 01:32:54,118 They don't teach you what to do in the real world. 1598 01:32:55,536 --> 01:32:58,205 I think it would have been nice to have had help. 1599 01:32:59,666 --> 01:33:02,418 Maybe it's good I'm here, I don't know. 129570

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