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Are you ready?
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Yeah?
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The Internet is boundless.
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You know, it's the Wild West, right?
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There's the happy places
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where you look at cute little babies
and wonderful, beautiful playfulness,
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and cute pictures of your kids going
to school.
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But more than anything,
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people love cats. They love them.
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And then there's another part
of the Internet
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that is a free-for-all.
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The seedy underbelly.
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You can post porn, violence,
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somebody getting pushed down stairs,
religious statues being defamed,
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cruelty to the elderly,
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a street fight, bum fights,
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defamatory images
of the Statue of Liberty,
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and nobody gives a crap.
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Nobody's gonna bat an eye.
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But in this seedy underbelly,
there's an unwritten rule.
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Now, it's unwritten, but it's understood.
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Rule zero.
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And rule zero is "don't fuck with cats."
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Good evening.
We begin tonight with developing
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and sinister news,
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where police are investigating
two mysterious packages.
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I've been a police officer
for over 23 years,
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and it's the first time I've seen
something like this.
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A twisted story
that keeps twisting...
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A receptionist opened the blood-soaked box
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and found a severed foot.
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What they saw, they described
as something out of a horror film.
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This is somebody who is able
to execute
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a very, very well laid-out plan.
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I mean,
it plays out like a slasher movie.
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He was clearly someone
who wanted this bizarre form of notoriety.
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And he actually put things
on the Internet.
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What did you see in that video?
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There was moments
that aren't even speakable.
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This man does not have a lot of friends.
Not many who have surfaced, anyway.
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Public enemy number one.
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How hard is it going to be
to track him down?
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How dangerous is this man?
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How careful should people be
right across the globe?
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Well, he is
a master of disguise. He likes to...
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...possibly disguised as a woman.
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Interpol issued a worldwide arrest warrant
for first-degree murder.
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Tonight there are accusations
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that online evidence of a twisted mind
was ignored by police.
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And he even posted these horrific videos
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of him allegedly
torturing and killing cats.
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Okay, so I'll tell you
how all this began.
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Vegas, to me, is not
gambling and drinking
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and hookers and blow.
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It's not, "What stays in Vegas," you know,
kind of thing.
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I live here.
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So, Vegas is work.
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My name is Deanna Thompson,
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and I am a data analyst
for a large casino here in Las Vegas.
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I'm responsible for all the technology
in the gaming industry.
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Anything to do with slot machines,
table games,
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I have a hand in it.
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I would say I'm textbook definition
of a computer nerd.
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Like, textbook.
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♪ Watch me show you what I'm made of ♪
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So, I'll come home from work
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and spend some time with the dogs,
and then, uh...
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You know, get on my computers
and hit the Internet.
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"Baudi Moovan" is my alter ego
that I use online
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to hide my identity.
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And "Body Movin'" is a song
from the Beastie Boys.
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- How's it go?
- I'm not gonna sing it.
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- Go on.
- No.
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It's... No, dude. I can't sing it.
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Shut up.
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I'm not gonna sing it.
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You can play it. Get the rights.
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I'm not gonna, uh-uh.
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♪ Body movin', body movin'
A1 sound and the sound's so soothing ♪
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♪ Body movin' ♪
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I can be anybody I want online.
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I could make the world a better place.
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I could be funny.
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You know, I could be really smart.
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I could be a princess.
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♪ Tell me party people
Is that so wrong? ♪
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♪ The ship is docking, interlockin' ♪
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I could be anybody I want online.
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♪ Body movin', body movin'
A1 sound and the sound's so soothing ♪
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So at the end of 2010,
my relationship was coming to,
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you know, a pretty drastic end,
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and I was pretty fucked-up about it
in the head.
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I just wanted to sink myself
into something
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that would take my mind off of it.
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I could kind of not deal
with this bullshit in my life.
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And so, I was on Facebook one day,
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and I found a post
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a lot of people had been
feverishly posting
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about a video that was online.
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I thought...
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"Let's go look at this."
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♪ So this is Christmas ♪
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♪ And what have you done? ♪
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You know, I'm thinking,
"Oh, this is a cute video,
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you know. What's this?"
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♪ Another year over ♪
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♪ And a new one just begun ♪
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And, um...
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I've never seen the video...
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uh, full-on.
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I've never seen the whole thing.
I've watched bits and pieces,
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but I've never seen the whole video.
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So, here we go.
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♪ So this is Christmas ♪
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♪ I hope you have fun ♪
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You see the person with, like,
a green, teal hoodie on,
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and it's up over his head.
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It's hiding a lot of his face,
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but you can see, like,
fringy, banged hair,
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and he's putting them
into one of those vacuum-seal bags.
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They suck all the air out.
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Um...
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The frame just changed to, uh...
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he's attaching a vacuum hose
to the area of the bag
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where the vacuum hose would, you know,
kind of seal into.
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One of the kittens sort of...
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playfully tries to get out of the bag,
and he, you know...
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That's fucking heartbreaking, dude.
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Do you want to stop?
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Just for a minute.
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I fucking hate this shit, dude.
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So sad.
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Certainly, I'm emotional.
I mean, I love, I love cats.
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I love them.
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So when I watched this video,
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I was, like,
"Dude, this is, like, bullshit."
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There's prices to pay.
There's consequences for your actions.
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So, I wasn't the only one
that was totally outraged by this video.
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The comments under the video were,
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"I can't believe
this motherfucker's doing this,"
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and, "Who the fuck is this guy?"
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"Fuck this guy."
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You know, "Who is this bastard?"
"Let's kill him."
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It was outrage.
Just boom, boom, boom, boom.
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"Oh, my God. You're gonna go to jail."
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And I'm thinking to myself,
"What the fuck is this?"
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Yeah, this is an emotional thing,
for sure.
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You're angry, I get it.
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But who the fuck are you gonna call?
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Okay, what police department
are you gonna call?
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You don't know where this happened.
You know, this person could live in...
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you know, Siberia for all I know.
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We don't have jurisdiction,
so it's just noise.
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But in the comments,
there was a Facebook link,
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and I clicked it,
and it took me to a Facebook group...
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And it looked to me like it was focused
on trying to find...
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who was in this video.
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In the group, I did observe one...
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persona who was sticking to facts,
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wasn't getting emotional,
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and that was John Green.
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I'm ready.
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What type of individual would think,
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"I'm going to take a vacuum-sealed bag
and place two kittens in it"?
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♪ And so this is Christmas ♪
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So the video was posted
by a profile called "uonlywish500."
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And he had made a comment that said,
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"All haters can suck my huge dick, LOL."
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And... it was a very interesting comment
to make.
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Um, I don't know why you would tell people
to do that to you.
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And when I clicked on the profile,
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I noticed that they had also liked a video
for the movie...
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Catch Me If You Can.
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You're gonna get caught. It's like Vegas.
The house always wins.
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Leonardo DiCaprio
plays a counterfeit con man,
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and an FBI agent goes around
trying to track him down
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across the country to catch him.
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Which, to me, I took as a big,
"Hey, you're never gonna catch me.
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Ha-ha-ha. Fuck you."
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That was a message he was sending.
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"I'm throwing down the gauntlet.
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I dare you.
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I challenge you to try and find out
who I am."
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I was like, "Oh, okay, this person wants
to play a game of cat and mouse,
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and I'm up for that."
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This Facebook group,
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they decided to actually find
who this person was.
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So I felt super empowered
by just watching all this happen.
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But they were focusing on the person,
which I thought was totally fucking weird
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because you can't find a person,
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but you can find objects in the room
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that would tell you where this person is.
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It looks like a very small, cramped room.
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I mean, you're talking
like maybe eight feet by ten feet wide.
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But for me,
there's a lot of information in there.
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You see a door, a bed...
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a table...
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You see a door handle,
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a light socket, electrical receptacles.
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And those are things
that we know can point to, like,
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maybe a specific area of the world.
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Wall sockets in England are different
than they are in California.
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We picked apart...
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every little thing in that room.
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Then I created a schematic,
or diagram, of the layout of the room...
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so everybody understood
what each thing was.
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The wolf bedspread.
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This wolf bedspread was hideous...
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and it was super unique.
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Some of the wolf blankets out there,
you got two wolves howling at the moon
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or, you know, something cheesy.
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This one was just a wolf head.
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And it was sold on eBay,
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made by a company in North America.
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It only had one buyer,
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and we couldn't see who that buyer was.
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But shipped internationally.
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Didn't help us at all.
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He could have been anywhere
on the planet.
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You hear some voices in the background.
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You start realizing, like,
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"Oh, there's somebody else in the room,
but you don't see him on camera."
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And they're kind of giggling and talking.
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And we didn't know what language it was.
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I mean, it sounded...
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Eastern Bloc, but, you know,
I'm not a language expert.
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So, there was a group member, Nicee Punk.
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She was born in the Ukraine,
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and she recognized it immediately.
It was Russian.
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Oh! Maybe it's possible
he's located in Russia.
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If you close your eyes and just listen...
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...there's a lot of things
that you can pick up.
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It's kind of staticky.
It's a little staticky.
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And they're chatting, laughing,
and they're making a lot of noise.
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And then all of a sudden, it stops.
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And they, like, disappear.
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Okay? It just...
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Almost like they left the room
without making a sound.
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But you can kind of hear a click.
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Click. It stops.
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Fuck. This is a recording.
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God damn it.
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We actually found out
it was a Russian sitcom,
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and we actually found the episode.
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And at that point, we're like,
"Wait a minute.
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This person is playing games with us.
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He's trying to mislead us."
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We spent weeks on this Russian bullshit.
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I spent...
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16 hours looking
at fucking doorknobs from Lithuania.
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I wasn't gonna stop
until I found him.
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I made a promise
I was gonna track him down.
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I'm still gonna do it.
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All of a sudden...
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another video appears.
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♪ It isn't hard to do ♪
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And it's the same bloody room.
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♪ To kill or die for ♪
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And he's playing with the cats
who are now deceased.
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Definitely after the act.
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♪ Imagine all the people ♪
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Along with the video,
he also released a couple pictures.
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And the group also get...
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a link.
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But from an obvious fake profile.
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It's what we call a "sock puppet" account.
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They're usually very easy to recognize.
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It's usually, like, a super generic name,
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with a super generic profile picture.
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They will post something...
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and then delete that account.
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So, I clicked on the link.
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And there, in all of his glory,
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was a picture of the guy holding the cats,
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but he had blurred his face out.
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This was so important
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because it gave us some insight
into who he was.
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Maybe he wants to be chased a little bit.
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It's almost like he was saying,
"What the fuck? Are you guys stupid?
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I'm gonna throw you this bone
and see how you gnaw on it
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for a little while."
283
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But the second thing it showed us was
that he was following the investigation.
284
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He had infiltrated the group.
285
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Okay, so this is one account
that he's using.
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What other accounts is he using?
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For me,
because I had used an alias,
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and I didn't put any
of my personal information,
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I wasn't necessarily concerned
for my own safety.
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But for some of my other group members,
291
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they had some serious concerns
for their own safety.
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Certainly, we were, like,
disturbed that he released another video
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and started playing with these dead cats
and shit,
294
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but the good part about it
was that we had more evidence now.
295
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We had more objects to look at
in the room,
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that would help narrow our search
to a specific area of the world.
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We were fired up.
298
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So, there's frames in the video
that you don't really get to see it
299
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in the movie that much
'cause it's so fast,
300
00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:36,633
but when there's an image of it,
it stands out.
301
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So we dumped all the video frames
to images
302
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so that we could start looking
at this fucking room.
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Tens of thousands of frames that it had.
304
00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:58,488
Holy shit, that's a pack of cigarettes.
305
00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:04,328
That pack of cigarettes was totally new.
And if you know anything about cigarettes,
306
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they're different everywhere.
307
00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:18,300
You know, cigarettes in a certain area
of the world might be, like, long,
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and skinny, and all 20 of them
are in this long, skinny box.
309
00:20:22,095 --> 00:20:25,349
You know, some cigarettes are usually,
you know, a rectangle.
310
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And they have different verbiage
required by law
311
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'cause cigarettes can kill you, right?
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It had the surgeon general warning
on these cigarettes.
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The surgeon general is the United States.
314
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So I knew
they were North American cigarettes.
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This was a huge piece of evidence.
Now, it doesn't necessarily mean
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that the person didn't buy
a pack of cigarettes
317
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and then hop on a plane to Paris,
318
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or, you know, Berlin,
319
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but I knew
they were North American cigarettes.
320
00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:05,555
But then, "Holy shit,
that's a yellow vacuum cleaner."
321
00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:08,684
First thing, "yellow vacuum."
322
00:21:09,518 --> 00:21:11,144
Okay, there's tons of them.
323
00:21:19,528 --> 00:21:22,823
One thing that I learned in all of this
is that there's an Internet forum
324
00:21:22,906 --> 00:21:24,032
for everything out there.
325
00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:26,743
Are you into vacuums?
There's gonna be an Internet forum for it.
326
00:21:28,912 --> 00:21:31,415
So, I found
this vacuum cleaner repair forum.
327
00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:39,172
Thousands of people post,
"I've got this tube. I'll send it to you."
328
00:21:39,256 --> 00:21:41,341
You know, "I've got this hose.
I can send it to you."
329
00:21:41,425 --> 00:21:45,053
So, I posted to this vacuum forum,
"Hey, guys..."
330
00:21:55,355 --> 00:21:57,024
They identified it immediately.
331
00:21:58,734 --> 00:22:00,736
The Kenmore Canister cleaner,
332
00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:05,240
the Aspiradora model, 7-21-26-08-2.
333
00:22:08,201 --> 00:22:10,620
"Awesome. Guys, thank you so much.
334
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:13,360
You've been so great to me.
I can't appreciate it enough."
335
00:22:15,792 --> 00:22:18,462
"Oh, you're welcome, sweetheart.
Hey, and just so you know,
336
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that's only sold in North America."
337
00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:25,969
So, this is it.
338
00:22:26,636 --> 00:22:28,680
So, whoever made this fucking video,
339
00:22:28,764 --> 00:22:29,973
whoever this guy was,
340
00:22:30,974 --> 00:22:32,893
we knew that we could start looking
341
00:22:33,226 --> 00:22:34,226
in Mexico,
342
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the United States,
343
00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:37,773
or Canada.
344
00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:41,360
But just when you think
shit can't get crazier,
345
00:22:43,445 --> 00:22:44,445
it does.
346
00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:02,881
In New York City,
347
00:23:02,964 --> 00:23:06,343
one group of former street guys
formed a rescue organization
348
00:23:06,426 --> 00:23:07,469
like no other...
349
00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:09,930
...by saving animals.
350
00:23:10,764 --> 00:23:13,183
You pick on the animals
because they don't fight back!
351
00:23:14,434 --> 00:23:15,268
Rescue Ink.
352
00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:17,187
♪ We've got your back ♪
353
00:23:21,483 --> 00:23:23,527
What is the approach of Rescue Ink?
354
00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:30,158
Rescue Ink. You want the clean version,
or you want the real version?
355
00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:34,162
Uh, Rescue Ink is an in-your-face approach
to animal abuse, neglect.
356
00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:37,290
We do whatever is necessary,
within the means of the law,
357
00:23:37,374 --> 00:23:39,835
to rescue animals out of bad situations.
358
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:41,450
What do you mean?
359
00:23:41,753 --> 00:23:44,631
Well...
you gotta let your imagination run.
360
00:23:44,714 --> 00:23:47,342
I don't want to get indicted on that
on camera.
361
00:24:02,315 --> 00:24:07,320
When I first watched the video,
and I saw the air coming out of the bag,
362
00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:10,782
and I saw the life going
out of the kittens' eyes, you know,
363
00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:13,994
it's something that, you know...
It's... it...
364
00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:17,998
You... It made me so anxious
to do something.
365
00:24:18,081 --> 00:24:21,001
Like, I wanted to try to, you know,
like, go in the screen
366
00:24:21,084 --> 00:24:22,294
and try to do something,
367
00:24:22,377 --> 00:24:25,130
but there's, you know,
that helpless feeling you have?
368
00:24:25,505 --> 00:24:28,133
It was horrendous. It was horrendous.
369
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,220
So I called my sister
370
00:24:32,596 --> 00:24:36,975
because my sister's a psychologist,
and she studied criminal profiling.
371
00:24:39,436 --> 00:24:42,355
She said, "This person is doing this
for shock value.
372
00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:45,066
This person is a person
that needs a lot of attention.
373
00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:48,320
This isn't the first time,
it's not gonna be the last time,
374
00:24:48,403 --> 00:24:50,739
and this is gonna get
progressively worse."
375
00:24:52,282 --> 00:24:53,783
They practice on animals,
376
00:24:54,242 --> 00:24:56,536
and when they can't feed
that sickness inside,
377
00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:59,998
or they can't get that excitement anymore,
they move on to something else
378
00:25:00,081 --> 00:25:01,374
they deem to be helpless,
379
00:25:01,458 --> 00:25:04,377
which is usually a small woman,
a child, or an elderly person.
380
00:25:08,924 --> 00:25:10,425
These are the things.
381
00:25:11,801 --> 00:25:13,386
The telltale sign...
382
00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:17,807
of somebody
that's gonna become a serial killer,
383
00:25:17,891 --> 00:25:21,269
somebody that needs
to be stopped immediately.
384
00:25:39,329 --> 00:25:42,666
We had a humongous Internet presence
on Facebook, on Twitter.
385
00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:44,793
We had literally 100,000 people.
386
00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:47,546
We were getting eight,
nine million hits a month.
387
00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:49,798
So, I, you know, got my computer,
I went on,
388
00:25:49,881 --> 00:25:53,843
I made a poster with a reward on it
for $5,000.
389
00:25:53,927 --> 00:25:57,031
On one hand, it was like, "Okay, cool.
This is finally getting some attention."
390
00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:58,640
And on the other hand, it was like...
391
00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:00,517
Fuck.
392
00:26:03,395 --> 00:26:05,438
People went nuts.
393
00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:08,233
This is every Internet nerd's dream,
right?
394
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:13,071
It's an explosion of people...
395
00:26:14,698 --> 00:26:16,199
now joining this group.
396
00:26:18,076 --> 00:26:20,495
Everybody started coming on there.
Now you had...
397
00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:24,291
detectives, private detectives,
guys claiming to be private detectives,
398
00:26:24,374 --> 00:26:26,042
guys claiming to be Superman, whatever.
399
00:26:30,463 --> 00:26:33,133
We have CGI rendering kind of experts.
400
00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:39,764
This point in time,
there's tens of thousands of people
401
00:26:39,848 --> 00:26:41,016
looking to find this guy.
402
00:26:41,099 --> 00:26:43,310
Many of them
just started posting profiles...
403
00:26:45,979 --> 00:26:47,314
from anywhere on the planet.
404
00:26:47,397 --> 00:26:50,233
There was a tidal wave of leads
that were coming in.
405
00:26:51,026 --> 00:26:53,820
"This guy has,
you know, fringy kind of hair."
406
00:26:56,573 --> 00:26:57,949
"This guy's tall and lanky."
407
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,785
"Oh, I think it's this person.
Oh, no, it might be this person."
408
00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:02,109
"This dude's wearing a hoodie."
409
00:27:06,374 --> 00:27:09,169
We're like dogs chasing shiny cars
410
00:27:09,252 --> 00:27:11,087
all over the place
trying to find this guy.
411
00:27:16,676 --> 00:27:18,470
It was chaos...
412
00:27:19,054 --> 00:27:20,430
on the tenth power.
413
00:27:28,355 --> 00:27:30,523
One day,
we had one lead come in.
414
00:27:31,691 --> 00:27:35,403
Someone posted something
on Facebook that got a lot of attention.
415
00:27:38,114 --> 00:27:41,034
So, it was this guy,
Jamsey Cramsalot Inhisass.
416
00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:44,245
I don't know how he came up
with this frigging name, but...
417
00:27:45,121 --> 00:27:47,040
The main thing about this one guy...
418
00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:49,542
is that, on his page,
419
00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:54,839
he posted a video
of a kitten being burned alive in a cage.
420
00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:02,847
So, right there, we were like,
421
00:28:02,931 --> 00:28:05,684
"Okay, this very well could be the guy."
422
00:28:08,728 --> 00:28:14,025
And his profile picture
resembled the guy in the video.
423
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:20,198
Jamsey Cramsalot Inhisass...
424
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:24,202
was very similar looking
to the perpetrator of the video.
425
00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:25,285
It really stood out.
426
00:28:25,328 --> 00:28:26,162
It, you know...
427
00:28:26,246 --> 00:28:29,040
It looked like maybe
this could be something.
428
00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:33,837
My sister knows me when I get upset.
I'm getting very upset.
429
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,463
She's like, "You gotta calm down."
430
00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:36,547
She goes, "Listen.
431
00:28:37,882 --> 00:28:39,968
This type of person craves attention.
432
00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:43,513
What would happen
if we just ask the guy if he did it?"
433
00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:46,975
I said, "Wow, that's a good idea."
434
00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:03,992
So, we're just trying to reel him in
nice and easy.
435
00:29:06,369 --> 00:29:08,079
But eventually, it worked.
436
00:29:11,499 --> 00:29:12,499
A confession.
437
00:29:13,877 --> 00:29:16,129
"Yes, I kill kittens, laugh out loud."
438
00:29:16,212 --> 00:29:18,381
You know,
"And there's nothing you can do about it."
439
00:29:20,258 --> 00:29:21,718
Cramsalot did it.
440
00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:24,179
This is the right person. We got him.
441
00:29:25,346 --> 00:29:28,600
The announcement that the admins made
were fireworks.
442
00:29:28,683 --> 00:29:30,810
I'm not kidding you.
It was a picture of fireworks.
443
00:29:45,241 --> 00:29:47,161
But they still didn't know where he was.
444
00:29:52,248 --> 00:29:54,042
So they start looking
at his friends online
445
00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:56,795
because that would give them
a location.
446
00:30:00,423 --> 00:30:04,427
And they found a town called Windhoek
in Namibia...
447
00:30:04,511 --> 00:30:07,597
I can't pronounce it, in Southern Africa.
448
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,372
The admins of the group
and Rescue Ink
449
00:30:32,455 --> 00:30:33,975
had really all come together and said,
450
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,876
"Hey, guys. We found him.
This is the kitten killer. We got it."
451
00:30:38,586 --> 00:30:40,922
John Green and I
were sitting there and kind of going...
452
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:43,799
"What?"
453
00:30:47,136 --> 00:30:48,263
It didn't make any sense
454
00:30:48,346 --> 00:30:50,598
because everything
pointed to North America.
455
00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,393
I mean, everything. We had the cigarettes,
456
00:30:53,476 --> 00:30:55,270
we had the wolf blanket,
we had the vacuum.
457
00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:57,272
And you're telling me that some guy
458
00:30:57,355 --> 00:31:00,024
in a country I can't even pronounce...
459
00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:02,694
"Got it"?
I don't understand. How did you get there?
460
00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:07,115
So we start looking, "Okay,
well, who's the guy in the picture?"
461
00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:11,786
What you can do is just take
462
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:15,874
the Jamsey Cramsalot Inhisass
Facebook profile,
463
00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:18,042
do a reverse image search,
464
00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:22,422
and it'll show you
where that image has been posted before.
465
00:31:25,967 --> 00:31:28,511
And from there,
we were able to find the website
466
00:31:28,595 --> 00:31:30,638
that the picture
was actually posted to initially.
467
00:31:31,806 --> 00:31:33,516
But it was kind of a male...
468
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:35,810
pornography website.
469
00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:44,193
So we're scrolling through
all these pictures...
470
00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:49,157
you know, next, next, next,
and boom.
471
00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:52,368
We find a picture of...
472
00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:55,663
the one that Jamsey's using
without the Santa hat.
473
00:31:57,123 --> 00:32:01,377
So we knew that Jamsey had appropriated
that image
474
00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,047
and added a Santa hat...
475
00:32:04,881 --> 00:32:06,382
for his profile picture.
476
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,552
So we knew,
"Fuck, this isn't the kitten killer."
477
00:32:17,727 --> 00:32:20,521
So we approached the Facebook group
and said, "Hey, you know,
478
00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:24,442
it can't be the killer.
Like, this cannot be him."
479
00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,491
And they dug their heels in.
480
00:32:31,574 --> 00:32:33,451
"Nope, this is the guy. This is it.
481
00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:35,453
We're gonna get this guy."
482
00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:43,544
We were dumbfounded.
483
00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:45,338
Absolutely dumbfounded.
484
00:32:45,838 --> 00:32:47,048
They wanted to be right.
485
00:32:49,717 --> 00:32:52,762
And this Facebook group lynched him.
486
00:33:00,311 --> 00:33:03,189
People are out for blood, you know,
when this kind of thing happens.
487
00:33:06,025 --> 00:33:08,403
Emotions can get the better of you.
488
00:33:09,028 --> 00:33:12,156
Your inner fire is just... argh!
489
00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:25,420
Not long after this, Jamsey...
490
00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,172
had actually taken his own life.
491
00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:39,058
Somebody had made the discovery
of the real person's identity.
492
00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:41,436
His name was Edward Jordan.
493
00:33:50,611 --> 00:33:54,115
Jamsey turned out not to be the guy
we were looking for.
494
00:33:57,326 --> 00:33:58,326
You know...
495
00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:03,207
he was an Internet troll
that wanted to be like a copycat
496
00:34:03,291 --> 00:34:05,501
that put up a video
497
00:34:05,752 --> 00:34:08,254
that made everybody think he was the guy.
498
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:14,218
We found out months later
that Edward Jordan had been dealing
499
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:15,511
with major depression.
500
00:34:16,846 --> 00:34:19,057
Spent a lot of time online dealing
with that
501
00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:22,101
and avoiding the depression,
and I know all about that.
502
00:34:22,185 --> 00:34:23,185
I've done it myself.
503
00:34:26,064 --> 00:34:29,942
Nobody knows, and I'm not certainly saying
that he killed himself
504
00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:32,987
because of this witch hunt against him.
505
00:34:34,781 --> 00:34:35,948
But you do have to be careful
506
00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:39,619
because you don't know who's
on the other end of the computer...
507
00:34:40,536 --> 00:34:42,997
and what kind of mental problems
they might have.
508
00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:49,253
When you're looking for somebody
like the kitten killer,
509
00:34:51,297 --> 00:34:53,633
you gotta fight against losing yourself.
510
00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:57,637
What happens is you start
511
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,807
to turn into the very thing
that you're trying to fight.
512
00:35:03,142 --> 00:35:06,187
You don't want to become
like these people, vicious.
513
00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:09,190
You don't want to become the monster.
514
00:35:17,406 --> 00:35:19,951
And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere,
515
00:35:20,034 --> 00:35:23,454
some of our group members
receive a message.
516
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,666
And this is another sock puppet account.
517
00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:27,917
We don't know who it is.
518
00:35:30,086 --> 00:35:31,462
And the message said,
519
00:35:32,004 --> 00:35:32,922
uh, you know,
520
00:35:33,005 --> 00:35:36,008
"The person you're looking for,
his name is Luka Magnotta."
521
00:35:37,718 --> 00:35:40,972
And, you know, we're like,
"Who the fuck is Luka Magnotta?"
522
00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:45,560
"Luka Magnotta?
That sounds like a fake porn star name.
523
00:35:45,643 --> 00:35:46,769
This can't be real.
524
00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:49,689
Like, this is another, you know...
Somebody's fucking with us.
525
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:51,732
Of course, what you gonna do?
526
00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:53,693
"Luka Magnotta," hit Enter.
527
00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:58,197
And, oh, my God, it just, like...
He just...
528
00:36:00,783 --> 00:36:06,372
There... I don't know how to explain
my reaction to what the results were.
529
00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:14,839
There's just hundreds and hundreds
of search results.
530
00:36:16,883 --> 00:36:18,759
One of the results was a YouTube video
531
00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:20,970
set to New Order's "True Faith,"
532
00:36:21,053 --> 00:36:22,889
and it was just like a slide show...
533
00:36:23,389 --> 00:36:26,017
♪ I feel so extraordinary ♪
534
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:27,810
...of this guy posing.
535
00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:30,771
♪ Something's got a hold on me ♪
536
00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:34,150
And I'm looking through them,
and I'm going, "What is this?"
537
00:36:34,233 --> 00:36:36,861
And I'm reading about this person
who lives this...
538
00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:39,488
jet-setting lifestyle.
539
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:42,617
There were pictures of him in Bermuda.
540
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:44,869
There were pictures of him in,
I think, Sweden.
541
00:36:44,952 --> 00:36:46,829
The Red Square in Russia,
542
00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:48,414
Eiffel Tower,
543
00:36:49,123 --> 00:36:52,376
the Trevi Fountain in Rome, Miami.
544
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:55,379
I couldn't believe how many pictures
there were of this person.
545
00:36:56,631 --> 00:37:00,259
We found
hundreds and hundreds of fan sites.
546
00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:05,556
And a lot of the comments
said really flattering things about him.
547
00:37:12,855 --> 00:37:17,443
There were story after story after story
about Luka online.
548
00:37:17,526 --> 00:37:20,321
There were stories
about him being a model,
549
00:37:20,404 --> 00:37:23,199
Luka Magnotta was a long-lost cousin
of River Phoenix.
550
00:37:23,658 --> 00:37:26,035
I mean, we were blown away by this.
551
00:37:31,415 --> 00:37:33,751
There were stories
that he was dating Madonna.
552
00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:36,504
I mean, I was just like, "What the...?"
553
00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:37,797
At this point,
554
00:37:38,714 --> 00:37:40,341
I'm starting to be like, "Dude."
555
00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:44,262
Okay, I've never heard of this guy,
and he's dating Madonna?
556
00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:56,357
He had, like, the floppy, brown hair.
557
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,110
He had a very similar bone structure
to the profile.
558
00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:02,738
But given the group's history
of accusing the wrong people,
559
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,784
I was very hesitant
to start ringing the alarm bells
560
00:38:06,867 --> 00:38:11,163
and start talking to the group publicly
about who this person was yet.
561
00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:16,794
And so, we created this private,
secret, hidden Facebook group
562
00:38:16,877 --> 00:38:19,630
and asked some people that we trust
to join it.
563
00:38:19,922 --> 00:38:21,924
They were reliable,
they were smart,
564
00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:24,802
they were pragmatic.
And it was called "Luka_Intel."
565
00:38:26,637 --> 00:38:30,099
But the problem that we ran into was
that we still didn't know where he was.
566
00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:33,811
We had pictures of him all over the world.
567
00:38:34,854 --> 00:38:36,897
But we don't know where he's at today.
568
00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:41,193
But we eventually found a video
of an audition tape
569
00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:43,446
that he had made three years prior
570
00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:47,366
for a reality TV show about male models.
571
00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:51,829
Hi, my name is Luka.
572
00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:55,666
Magnotta's my last name, M-A-G-N-O-T-T-A.
573
00:38:57,001 --> 00:38:58,186
Hi, Luka, how are you today?
574
00:38:58,210 --> 00:38:59,420
Good, how are you?
575
00:39:01,255 --> 00:39:04,342
But it definitely sounded
like he was from North America.
576
00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:06,177
Okay. Ding.
577
00:39:07,678 --> 00:39:09,323
Can you take off your shirt
right away?
578
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:10,639
All right, definitely.
579
00:39:11,223 --> 00:39:13,223
When his voice was lower,
yours went lower.
580
00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:17,521
I have a very deep voice.
A lot of people tell me that, actually.
581
00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:24,570
So here was...
582
00:39:26,072 --> 00:39:28,157
a piece of information we had found
583
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,660
that identified the person
as being in Canada.
584
00:39:33,329 --> 00:39:35,373
So, how do you
get your voice so deep?
585
00:39:35,456 --> 00:39:38,584
How do I get my voice so deep?
Practice makes perfect, right?
586
00:39:39,502 --> 00:39:42,171
He had his jacket over him,
and he was standing like this,
587
00:39:42,254 --> 00:39:43,756
and... "Hi, my name is Luka,"
588
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:46,967
you know, doing his thing.
And he's very, very vain.
589
00:39:47,301 --> 00:39:48,552
A lot of people tell me
590
00:39:48,636 --> 00:39:50,846
I'm really
devastatingly good-looking, so...
591
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:53,391
I think he looks good.
I'm going to give him a yes.
592
00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:56,143
But you do start to think,
593
00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:59,105
you know, "Could this be somebody
who really films himself...
594
00:40:00,231 --> 00:40:01,732
putting cats into a vacuum bag
595
00:40:01,816 --> 00:40:03,734
and sucking air out
until they suffocate?"
596
00:40:04,276 --> 00:40:05,379
I think you got potential,
597
00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:07,923
but I'm gonna ask you to come back
next year to the competition.
598
00:40:07,947 --> 00:40:09,657
- Okay. All right.
- All right?
599
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:11,551
It's a tiebreaker.
600
00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:12,618
Well, it's up to you.
601
00:40:12,701 --> 00:40:15,037
You start to really
try to put yourself
602
00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:16,997
in that frame of mind and say,
603
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:19,041
"Could I be a normal person,
myself, Deanna,
604
00:40:19,125 --> 00:40:22,253
and then one day just be a person
that kills cats?"
605
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:25,339
And as you're watching
this seemingly normal dude,
606
00:40:25,756 --> 00:40:27,341
your mind... It's hard to go there.
607
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,694
I just don't think
he's beefy enough for COVERGuy.
608
00:40:29,718 --> 00:40:31,637
I can gain muscle. Everybody can do it.
609
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,407
You know, I can gain muscle,
I can work out.
610
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:34,723
I'm very determined,
611
00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:38,102
and every goal
that I've put my mind to, I've surpassed.
612
00:40:39,145 --> 00:40:40,539
When I'm watching it, I'm like,
613
00:40:40,563 --> 00:40:43,003
"Nah, this can't be the same guy.
This can't be the same guy."
614
00:40:45,234 --> 00:40:47,820
But then I got a message from John Green,
615
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,697
and the message said...
616
00:40:50,364 --> 00:40:53,367
"You can't always take photos
as the truth."
617
00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:57,788
Looking at photos of this Luka person,
618
00:40:57,872 --> 00:41:00,291
you start noticing a pattern in them.
619
00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:03,502
You start noticing, like,
"Well, wait a minute.
620
00:41:03,586 --> 00:41:06,672
that face doesn't appear to match
with that body."
621
00:41:08,632 --> 00:41:11,552
And they were off.
They were clearly off.
622
00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:15,306
His skin tone didn't match his body.
623
00:41:16,724 --> 00:41:18,559
You start noticing lines
624
00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:22,271
and things where they'd been edited
or didn't line up correctly.
625
00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:25,483
A lot of bad pixelation
through the neck.
626
00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:27,818
There's a wedding photo.
627
00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:32,531
And there's this post talking about
how he just married this girl in Russia.
628
00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:35,284
And one of our group members
found the original photo.
629
00:41:37,411 --> 00:41:39,371
So whoever
had posted these pictures,
630
00:41:41,373 --> 00:41:43,459
had taken Luka Magnotta's head
631
00:41:43,918 --> 00:41:45,085
and put them
632
00:41:45,753 --> 00:41:48,214
on random people that he found
on the Internet...
633
00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:51,175
to make it look...
634
00:41:52,426 --> 00:41:54,803
like he was out there having
a grand old time.
635
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,727
And over time, when you look at 20, 30,
40 of these fan sites,
636
00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:03,270
the comments...
637
00:42:03,395 --> 00:42:04,730
They're all different accounts,
638
00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:06,941
but they all say the same thing.
639
00:42:10,611 --> 00:42:11,971
They were all different usernames,
640
00:42:12,821 --> 00:42:15,074
but it was the same verbiage,
the same phrasing,
641
00:42:15,157 --> 00:42:16,742
the same style of writing.
642
00:42:17,326 --> 00:42:19,036
And you start wondering, "Okay...
643
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,206
is this all from the same person?"
644
00:42:27,753 --> 00:42:30,631
It started to really look
like all these fan sites
645
00:42:30,714 --> 00:42:33,926
that were created for Luka
as "dedication websites"
646
00:42:34,009 --> 00:42:37,012
all seem to be created by Luka himself.
647
00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:48,899
So now I'm thinking, I don't know
if everything that's out there
648
00:42:48,983 --> 00:42:50,025
about him is fake.
649
00:42:54,655 --> 00:42:58,325
But we eventually found an article
written in the Toronto Sun,
650
00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:01,203
which is kind of like a tabloidy
kind of gossipy rag,
651
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:03,706
um, by a guy named Joe Warmington.
652
00:43:08,544 --> 00:43:12,673
In 2007,
three years before all this happened,
653
00:43:15,301 --> 00:43:16,885
I was on my way home from work,
654
00:43:18,137 --> 00:43:20,514
when I was listening
to a popular radio program.
655
00:43:22,308 --> 00:43:23,851
Joe Warmington, take one.
656
00:43:26,228 --> 00:43:28,897
And all I heard
was this frantic voice
657
00:43:28,981 --> 00:43:31,275
that was calling in to this radio show.
658
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:35,904
And what he was upset about
was the fact that, he said,
659
00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:39,575
on the Internet,
people were linking him romantically
660
00:43:39,658 --> 00:43:41,243
with Karla Homolka.
661
00:43:42,036 --> 00:43:46,415
Now, if you say the name "Karla Homolka"
here in Canada,
662
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:51,003
that will get the hair
on the back of your neck standing up...
663
00:43:51,712 --> 00:43:54,465
because she is the most hated woman
in Canada.
664
00:43:57,343 --> 00:44:00,888
She is the wife of a serial killer,
Paul Bernardo.
665
00:44:01,138 --> 00:44:03,307
They're known as
the Ken and Barbie killers.
666
00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:09,104
She was involved in the murders
of three young girls, all 14,
667
00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:10,814
and one of them was her sister.
668
00:44:12,024 --> 00:44:15,152
And they had made a deal with her,
for immunity,
669
00:44:15,235 --> 00:44:16,904
to testify against her husband.
670
00:44:17,446 --> 00:44:21,825
Later, video showed
that she was very much involved in this.
671
00:44:21,909 --> 00:44:24,662
In fact, she led it,
and some of these murders were her idea.
672
00:44:25,621 --> 00:44:27,373
And this caller was very frantic.
673
00:44:28,415 --> 00:44:31,794
And I'm thinking, "Who is this?"
And then finally, he said his name.
674
00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:33,545
Luka Magnotta.
675
00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:38,217
I reached out through an e-mail,
676
00:44:38,425 --> 00:44:41,387
and, out of nowhere,
I get a call from this guy saying,
677
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:42,930
"Hello, it's Luka Magnotta."
678
00:44:44,014 --> 00:44:48,811
I said it would be good to meet in person,
and he had offered to meet me somewhere.
679
00:44:48,894 --> 00:44:50,229
I can't remember where.
680
00:44:50,896 --> 00:44:52,296
But I just thought, "You know what?
681
00:44:52,356 --> 00:44:55,275
It might be better if he'd meet us
at the Sun newsroom,"
682
00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:56,652
which he agreed to.
683
00:44:59,113 --> 00:45:01,865
Knowing what I know now,
that was the right decision.
684
00:45:03,617 --> 00:45:04,910
I remember sitting there,
685
00:45:05,327 --> 00:45:07,788
and in walks Luka Magnotta.
686
00:45:09,998 --> 00:45:13,252
And my mouth opened
and my jaw dropped to the floor
687
00:45:13,335 --> 00:45:17,172
because this guy looked
like Paul Bernardo.
688
00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:23,762
My modeling career has gone downhill
these days, to be honest with you.
689
00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:28,559
And it's all because of this whole rumor
of you dating Karla Homolka?
690
00:45:28,976 --> 00:45:31,687
The rumor's destroyed my life,
basically, and...
691
00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:33,564
I want to set the record straight
692
00:45:33,939 --> 00:45:37,234
that me and her have
absolutely no connection.
693
00:45:37,317 --> 00:45:42,531
He was very emphatic about the fact
that his life was spinning out of control,
694
00:45:42,614 --> 00:45:45,159
and it was not only costing him work,
but it was,
695
00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:47,494
you know, a real threat to his life.
696
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:49,913
I've been receiving death threats.
697
00:45:50,289 --> 00:45:53,083
My address is posted.
That's why I had to move.
698
00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:55,127
I'm about to have
a nervous breakdown here.
699
00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:57,588
My reputation's completely ruined.
700
00:45:57,671 --> 00:46:00,716
I go in to see casting directors,
I go in to see agents...
701
00:46:01,049 --> 00:46:02,384
They know who I am.
702
00:46:02,468 --> 00:46:04,303
You know, it's all over everywhere.
703
00:46:05,053 --> 00:46:06,930
Whoever's doing this, please stop.
704
00:46:08,140 --> 00:46:10,976
And it's all because
of this whole rumor of you
705
00:46:11,059 --> 00:46:12,059
dating Karla Homolka.
706
00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:13,102
That's it.
707
00:46:13,437 --> 00:46:17,566
After I watched the video
that was attached to the article...
708
00:46:17,983 --> 00:46:19,860
I've been receiving death threats...
709
00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:24,323
I started to believe
that he used his sock puppet accounts
710
00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:26,533
to start creating these rumors himself.
711
00:46:29,161 --> 00:46:31,872
Like, why would you want to associate
with a serial killer?
712
00:46:32,456 --> 00:46:34,875
Me and her have absolutely no connection.
713
00:46:37,002 --> 00:46:38,337
For fame. One hundred percent.
714
00:46:39,755 --> 00:46:41,465
Remember rule zero:
715
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,300
don't fuck with cats.
716
00:46:43,592 --> 00:46:47,471
It really started to make me think
his motivation behind doing it
717
00:46:47,554 --> 00:46:51,683
was the attention and the fame
that he knew he would get from it.
718
00:46:52,226 --> 00:46:53,226
And he got it.
719
00:47:01,735 --> 00:47:04,905
The problem was
that this was three years prior
720
00:47:04,988 --> 00:47:06,406
to the cat killing videos.
721
00:47:08,784 --> 00:47:10,410
We still didn't know where he was.
722
00:47:17,668 --> 00:47:19,920
He could have been anywhere
on the planet.
723
00:47:20,003 --> 00:47:21,463
So where do we start looking?
724
00:47:22,923 --> 00:47:27,219
So we went through
every picture that we could.
725
00:47:28,262 --> 00:47:29,972
Thousands and thousands of photos
726
00:47:30,722 --> 00:47:33,684
because we knew he would have fucked up
at least one of them.
727
00:47:34,184 --> 00:47:36,103
That he would leave a digital footprint.
728
00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:38,730
So sometimes, when you take a picture,
729
00:47:39,439 --> 00:47:41,149
there's digital information
730
00:47:41,817 --> 00:47:43,360
stored in the picture.
731
00:47:44,152 --> 00:47:45,571
And it's called "EXIF data."
732
00:47:46,029 --> 00:47:48,740
You know the model of the camera
that took the photo,
733
00:47:48,824 --> 00:47:50,534
the date the photo was taken,
734
00:47:50,617 --> 00:47:52,286
the GPS location of the photo...
735
00:47:52,703 --> 00:47:55,372
You can take a photo
and upload it to a website
736
00:47:55,455 --> 00:47:57,291
that will show you all the EXIF data.
737
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,751
So that's exactly what we did.
738
00:48:17,728 --> 00:48:20,314
And then, boom,
it's got GPS coordinates on it.
739
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,066
And it was me, this time,
740
00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:24,943
and I'm like, "Holy shit."
741
00:48:25,027 --> 00:48:27,112
I took a screenshot of it,
sent it to John Green.
742
00:48:27,821 --> 00:48:32,951
The photo in question has Luka sitting
on a beautiful chaise lounge.
743
00:48:33,577 --> 00:48:35,621
It looks to be a fancy department store.
744
00:48:36,038 --> 00:48:39,124
And automatically, on the EXIF site,
it gives you a map,
745
00:48:39,207 --> 00:48:40,292
and it puts a pinpoint.
746
00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:46,673
And it took me
to the Toronto Eaton Shopping Centre.
747
00:48:47,758 --> 00:48:49,176
Toronto, Canada.
748
00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:55,057
But the date
the picture was taken was absolutely key.
749
00:48:56,058 --> 00:48:58,685
October 25, 2010.
750
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:02,856
So, at the end of October 25th,
he's in Toronto,
751
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:05,442
and then the kitten killer video happens
in November.
752
00:49:05,525 --> 00:49:08,946
So we were, like, freaking out,
"Oh, my God, he's in Toronto."
753
00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:11,865
We thought he might be in Canada,
754
00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:14,993
but now we fucking know he's there.
He's there, he's there, he's there.
755
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:18,497
So, I do what I do best.
756
00:49:18,956 --> 00:49:21,458
I'm gonna find his actual address.
757
00:49:24,544 --> 00:49:26,755
I found a picture of Luka,
758
00:49:26,838 --> 00:49:29,633
and he's standing on a balcony.
It's like the third or fourth floor
759
00:49:29,716 --> 00:49:31,343
of, like, an apartment or a condo.
760
00:49:32,552 --> 00:49:34,137
But what I really noticed was
761
00:49:34,221 --> 00:49:36,807
at the corner of the intersection
was a gas station.
762
00:49:37,641 --> 00:49:40,185
And the gas station
was called Petro-Canada.
763
00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:44,398
So the first thing I do is I jump
on Google Maps.
764
00:49:48,986 --> 00:49:52,906
And literally, there's hundreds
of Petro-Canada gas stations.
765
00:49:55,492 --> 00:49:58,620
But I start cross-referencing things,
and I remembered
766
00:49:58,704 --> 00:50:04,418
Luka made this blog post talking about
how the paparazzi was harassing him.
767
00:50:04,501 --> 00:50:09,256
They were trying to take his picture
outside his condo in Etobicoke, Canada.
768
00:50:09,631 --> 00:50:12,509
Etobicoke. That's interesting.
Where's that?
769
00:50:13,051 --> 00:50:16,805
Etobicoke is a suburb outside of Toronto.
770
00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:20,058
I wonder how many Petro-Canadas
there are in Etobicoke.
771
00:50:20,767 --> 00:50:21,767
Six.
772
00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:23,687
Well, this is gonna be easy.
773
00:50:29,151 --> 00:50:33,905
So I literally start clicking on each
of the six Petro-Canada gas stations.
774
00:50:33,989 --> 00:50:36,033
When I click on it,
I go to the Street View.
775
00:50:36,116 --> 00:50:38,410
And I look at it, and I go,
"Nope. That's not it."
776
00:50:38,493 --> 00:50:39,745
Number two, Street View.
777
00:50:39,828 --> 00:50:42,164
"Nope, that's not it."
Number three, click.
778
00:50:49,713 --> 00:50:50,547
Oh.
779
00:50:50,714 --> 00:50:54,426
That looks exactly
like the Petro-Canada gas station
780
00:50:54,509 --> 00:50:56,762
that I see in the photo of Luka,
and guess what?
781
00:50:58,430 --> 00:51:02,309
That large gray cement apartment building
is directly behind it.
782
00:51:06,354 --> 00:51:09,107
So then I take my cursor,
and I click on it,
783
00:51:09,191 --> 00:51:13,195
and I rotate the Street View 180 degrees.
784
00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:18,950
And I'm looking directly at the apartment
785
00:51:19,034 --> 00:51:21,078
that Luka's seen in in the photo.
786
00:51:25,248 --> 00:51:27,250
304 Mill Street.
787
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:30,920
So now...
788
00:51:32,714 --> 00:51:33,965
I've got this fucker.
789
00:51:38,136 --> 00:51:40,555
So now, we think it's time to go
to the authorities.
790
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,183
So I reach out
to the Toronto Police Department.
791
00:51:43,475 --> 00:51:47,187
And they were like, "What is this about?
Videos on the Internet?"
792
00:51:47,938 --> 00:51:51,274
It took me a while to convince them
that what I'm saying is true.
793
00:51:52,442 --> 00:51:55,612
And they actually went out there
and knocked on the door.
794
00:51:55,695 --> 00:51:57,114
A person answered,
795
00:51:57,197 --> 00:52:00,033
and they verified, yes,
796
00:52:00,117 --> 00:52:03,453
a person by the name of Luka Magnotta
had been living there,
797
00:52:03,912 --> 00:52:06,081
but he had since moved on to Russia.
798
00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:13,171
So here again, this so-called
jet-setting lifestyle person
799
00:52:13,255 --> 00:52:15,715
is once again somewhere in "Russia."
800
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:23,473
You start thinking,
"Okay. This is never gonna be solved."
801
00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:25,100
Nothing is gonna happen.
802
00:52:25,892 --> 00:52:27,310
This was all pointless.
803
00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:38,464
A couple weeks went by,
804
00:52:38,488 --> 00:52:40,907
and then, you know,
a few months had started going by, and...
805
00:52:42,117 --> 00:52:45,162
We sort of lost that ferocity
that we had
806
00:52:45,245 --> 00:52:47,831
because we didn't really have anything
new to look at.
807
00:52:48,748 --> 00:52:52,252
He didn't release any more videos.
He didn't release any more images.
808
00:52:53,044 --> 00:52:55,672
And so,
interest in the group kind of dwindled.
809
00:52:56,798 --> 00:52:58,758
People kind of started disappearing.
810
00:52:59,634 --> 00:53:03,180
The group numbers went from, like, 15,000
maybe down to 8,000.
811
00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:16,943
All of a sudden,
812
00:53:19,237 --> 00:53:20,572
one video pops up.
813
00:53:34,669 --> 00:53:40,425
♪ I waited all my life to play
But I still can't find a way ♪
814
00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:45,513
♪ But if I work it one more day ♪
815
00:53:46,765 --> 00:53:49,017
And it was,
816
00:53:49,351 --> 00:53:52,395
to this day, probably one
of the worst videos I've ever seen.
817
00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:54,290
♪ See I feel it in my bones
That I'm sittin' on a throne ♪
818
00:53:54,314 --> 00:53:56,334
♪ Like a killer with a chrome
When I spit another poem ♪
819
00:53:56,358 --> 00:53:58,438
♪ Shed a whole lot of light
On a little bit of home ♪
820
00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:02,822
♪ I waited all my life to play ♪
821
00:54:03,531 --> 00:54:05,992
This desperation in this cat's...
822
00:54:07,911 --> 00:54:10,121
face that...
It's hard to describe.
823
00:54:10,205 --> 00:54:11,498
It's... it's haunting.
824
00:54:12,207 --> 00:54:15,168
And then you see the cat being lowered
into the water
825
00:54:15,418 --> 00:54:18,672
and the person holding the cat underwater
until it drowns.
826
00:54:21,424 --> 00:54:22,884
So then, later that day,
827
00:54:22,968 --> 00:54:25,553
another video appears, and we're like,
"What the fuck?"
828
00:54:28,223 --> 00:54:31,184
My first reaction was,
"Okay. This is number two."
829
00:54:31,643 --> 00:54:32,686
Kind of like the feeling,
830
00:54:32,769 --> 00:54:35,530
this is not the same, but kind of
like the feeling when 9/11 happened,
831
00:54:35,563 --> 00:54:37,732
and the second plane hit the building.
832
00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:39,985
I was like, "Okay, what's next?
We're under attack."
833
00:54:50,954 --> 00:54:54,249
In the background, you hear
the music from "Little Drummer Boy."
834
00:54:56,126 --> 00:55:00,088
When I saw the Santa hat,
I immediately thought of Jamsey.
835
00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:04,884
It really was like a "fuck you" to us.
836
00:55:08,972 --> 00:55:12,892
Then you realize
that there's a huge python snake
837
00:55:13,184 --> 00:55:14,978
under the pillows of the bed.
838
00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:20,793
And, you know, the python is doing
what the python is gonna do.
839
00:55:20,817 --> 00:55:23,236
The python is gonna eat the cat.
840
00:55:39,252 --> 00:55:40,252
When this happened...
841
00:55:43,214 --> 00:55:44,883
...the group came alive again.
842
00:55:45,717 --> 00:55:48,178
And we all kind of woke up
from our slumber...
843
00:55:49,971 --> 00:55:51,598
and paid him attention again.
844
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,401
But when I saw the username
that uploaded the video,
845
00:56:04,611 --> 00:56:06,112
I knew immediately what it was.
846
00:56:09,157 --> 00:56:11,242
Lesley Ann Downey was a victim of...
847
00:56:12,952 --> 00:56:14,913
Ian Brady and Myra Hindley.
848
00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:21,002
And they killed five children
in Manchester, England.
849
00:56:21,753 --> 00:56:23,338
It was called "the Moors murders."
850
00:56:23,421 --> 00:56:26,132
I learned a lot about it
'cause I was a huge Smiths fan,
851
00:56:26,216 --> 00:56:27,550
and they wrote a song about it.
852
00:56:49,531 --> 00:56:51,449
This is now the second indication
853
00:56:51,533 --> 00:56:54,202
that Luka's got a fascination
with serial killers.
854
00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:07,382
So, it was kind of...
Well, it was not "kind of."
855
00:57:07,465 --> 00:57:08,550
It was very alarming.
856
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,972
The release
of these two new videos...
857
00:57:15,807 --> 00:57:18,101
also brought
with them some press attention.
858
00:57:19,769 --> 00:57:23,148
The Sun newspaper in London, England,
runs a story called
859
00:57:23,231 --> 00:57:26,317
"Catch the Sicko Who Fed a Kitten
to a Python."
860
00:57:30,613 --> 00:57:34,200
A British journalist
from The Sun, Alex West,
861
00:57:34,868 --> 00:57:37,495
gets a message
from another sock puppet account.
862
00:57:41,541 --> 00:57:42,709
It says,
863
00:57:42,792 --> 00:57:46,421
"The person you're looking for
is currently in London, England,
864
00:57:48,131 --> 00:57:49,924
and his name is Luka Magnotta,
865
00:57:51,926 --> 00:57:54,679
and he's staying at the The Fusilier Inn."
866
00:57:56,931 --> 00:58:01,478
Alex West decides he's gonna go
to the The Fusilier Inn
867
00:58:01,561 --> 00:58:03,062
to try and meet this person.
868
00:58:04,606 --> 00:58:07,025
But Alex is secretly recording.
869
00:58:20,997 --> 00:58:24,834
He could be a fucking loon
and try to stab us or something.
870
00:58:24,918 --> 00:58:26,711
We've got to be a bit careful.
871
00:58:27,795 --> 00:58:30,215
Luka! Can I have a quick word?
872
00:58:30,298 --> 00:58:32,634
I'm a journalist from The Sun newspaper.
873
00:58:34,844 --> 00:58:36,363
You're not filming me, are you?
874
00:58:36,387 --> 00:58:38,973
No, no. What are you doing in London now?
875
00:58:39,474 --> 00:58:40,934
Because of the harassment.
876
00:58:41,017 --> 00:58:43,603
- What harassment?
- I'm getting death threats.
877
00:58:43,686 --> 00:58:44,604
Saying what?
878
00:58:44,687 --> 00:58:47,690
Anything you can imagine.
They're going to kill me...
879
00:58:48,316 --> 00:58:50,652
- Why?
- Because of these stories.
880
00:58:50,735 --> 00:58:53,363
But a lot of people are saying
that this chap...
881
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,033
is responsible for killing the kittens
in the YouTube videos.
882
00:58:57,116 --> 00:58:58,910
This is you in the picture here?
883
00:58:59,410 --> 00:59:01,722
- No, it's not.
- It certainly looks like you.
884
00:59:01,746 --> 00:59:03,623
- It's not me.
- That isn't you?
885
00:59:03,706 --> 00:59:04,706
No.
886
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:08,795
People are really good
with Photoshop these days aren't they?
887
00:59:10,129 --> 00:59:12,298
People have framed me,
isn't that obvious?
888
00:59:12,382 --> 00:59:13,925
Why would anybody do that?
889
00:59:15,134 --> 00:59:17,053
Have they got a vendetta against you?
890
00:59:17,136 --> 00:59:18,972
Many people do.
891
00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:22,100
- What for?
- We won't get into that.
892
00:59:22,642 --> 00:59:25,103
Okay,
we're not really getting very far.
893
00:59:25,186 --> 00:59:26,789
We'll have to leave it at that, I think.
I mean...
894
00:59:26,813 --> 00:59:29,124
Yes, I think we do.
Thank you. Have a wonderful day.
895
00:59:29,148 --> 00:59:30,508
Thank you.
896
00:59:39,701 --> 00:59:40,994
Soon after,
897
00:59:41,869 --> 00:59:44,497
Alex West receives an e-mail.
898
00:59:48,835 --> 00:59:52,005
John Kilbride was another victim
of the Moors murders.
899
00:59:53,172 --> 00:59:55,925
"It's so fun watching people work so hard
gathering all the evidence
900
00:59:56,009 --> 00:59:58,094
and then not being able to name me
or catch me.
901
00:59:58,678 --> 01:00:00,138
You see, I always win.
902
01:00:00,221 --> 01:00:03,308
I always hold the trump card,
and I will continue to make more movies.
903
01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:08,021
Next time you hear from me,
it will be in a movie I'm producing
904
01:00:08,104 --> 01:00:10,565
that will have some humans,
not just pussies."
905
01:00:12,817 --> 01:00:14,193
That's the alarming part.
906
01:00:15,153 --> 01:00:18,489
Moving from "pussies" to people.
907
01:00:20,992 --> 01:00:23,328
Scotland Yard could not help us.
908
01:00:23,411 --> 01:00:25,496
We didn't have lawful jurisdiction.
909
01:00:26,914 --> 01:00:29,334
So I started really panicking
910
01:00:29,417 --> 01:00:31,336
because here I am,
911
01:00:31,628 --> 01:00:33,087
who nobody listens to,
912
01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:38,301
but I know this was
another stepping-stone to fame,
913
01:00:38,384 --> 01:00:40,637
this ladder that he was building.
914
01:00:42,221 --> 01:00:44,182
Something bad is about to happen.
915
01:00:44,724 --> 01:00:48,186
I remember somebody in our group saying,
"He's gonna kill somebody."
916
01:00:52,523 --> 01:00:53,608
And one day...
917
01:00:55,860 --> 01:00:59,280
...another sock puppet account posted
a message to the group,
918
01:01:00,114 --> 01:01:01,324
but the message said,
919
01:01:02,325 --> 01:01:03,618
"BAUDI MOOVIN 99."
920
01:01:14,796 --> 01:01:18,508
And one of our group members
ran across a video
921
01:01:18,591 --> 01:01:22,679
that this sock puppet account
had clicked "like" on.
922
01:01:24,097 --> 01:01:26,808
And I had a little bit of a warning
before I clicked on it.
923
01:01:26,891 --> 01:01:28,410
You know,
"Hey, Deanna, brace yourself.
924
01:01:28,434 --> 01:01:31,145
This is a little frightening,
Deanna, I don't want you to,
925
01:01:31,229 --> 01:01:34,691
you know, to worry too much,
but... go ahead and click this video."
926
01:01:55,962 --> 01:02:00,216
And there was a home movie
of the casino I work at.
927
01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:05,346
It was terrifying.
928
01:02:07,724 --> 01:02:09,934
He's no longer just behind a computer.
929
01:02:12,812 --> 01:02:13,813
This was real.
930
01:02:16,941 --> 01:02:21,112
So, you know, this starts off as a puzzle
that I think I'm gonna solve
931
01:02:21,195 --> 01:02:22,447
in maybe two days.
932
01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:25,158
Get rid of some scum,
and now here we are.
933
01:02:25,783 --> 01:02:27,368
A potential killer...
934
01:02:27,827 --> 01:02:29,162
uh, might be after me.
935
01:02:35,001 --> 01:02:36,961
I was legitimately concerned...
936
01:02:37,545 --> 01:02:40,923
that Luka would come into the office
with, like, a knife.
937
01:02:46,429 --> 01:02:49,724
Or that he would somehow break
into my car and be in my back seat.
938
01:02:51,476 --> 01:02:55,730
It was just paranoia beyond rationale.
939
01:03:00,443 --> 01:03:02,254
The things that were running
through my mind was,
940
01:03:02,278 --> 01:03:03,946
"Fuck, I gotta tell my boss.
941
01:03:05,114 --> 01:03:07,617
Is he in danger now?
Have I put him at risk?"
942
01:03:08,075 --> 01:03:09,952
You know, I was really scared.
943
01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:12,246
I, uh...
944
01:03:12,955 --> 01:03:17,001
Having to go to my boss and tell them
what I had been doing online, and...
945
01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:20,671
um, you know, even though
it's a good thing that I've been doing it,
946
01:03:20,755 --> 01:03:21,755
it's still...
947
01:03:22,381 --> 01:03:23,800
mortifying. I mean,
948
01:03:24,342 --> 01:03:25,510
can you imagine...
949
01:03:25,718 --> 01:03:29,639
having this really high-tech job,
with these very professional people,
950
01:03:29,722 --> 01:03:31,867
and having to go to them and tell them
that you go home
951
01:03:31,891 --> 01:03:33,726
and fucking look online for a cat killer.
952
01:03:34,310 --> 01:03:36,771
Like, it's absolutely mortifying.
953
01:03:48,491 --> 01:03:50,159
I'm in bed sleeping.
954
01:03:54,121 --> 01:03:57,500
And the phone vibrates,
telling me I've got a Facebook message.
955
01:03:57,834 --> 01:04:01,045
I pick up my phone,
and I look at it, and it says, "Hey,
956
01:04:01,629 --> 01:04:04,799
um, there's this video I just came across,
957
01:04:05,383 --> 01:04:07,593
and I think you might want to look at it.
958
01:04:07,677 --> 01:04:10,179
I think it's that guy Luka
you've been looking for."
959
01:04:10,638 --> 01:04:12,348
So it's got my attention,
960
01:04:12,431 --> 01:04:15,768
and I'm thinking, "Oh, great.
Another cat killing video."
961
01:04:18,437 --> 01:04:19,814
I click on the link,
962
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:23,609
I press play and the video starts.
963
01:04:24,610 --> 01:04:27,363
And I'm like, "What the fuck?"
964
01:04:28,739 --> 01:04:31,158
We fucking told them
he was gonna kill somebody.
965
01:04:33,452 --> 01:04:34,829
And nobody believed us.
966
01:04:35,305 --> 01:04:41,384
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