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In May, 2005, the exhibit "Rodin in Chile" took place.
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It was the first time the sculptor's work came to the country.
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We had Rodin in Chile,
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we had people happy seeing his exhibit.
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Thus it was deeply satisfying.
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That lasted until one day at 5 PM.
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What happened that day at 5 PM?
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They called me from the Fine Arts Museum,
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to tell me that...
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There were a lot of journalists who wanted to talk to me.
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And I asked, "Why so much interest?"
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and only in that moment
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did I realize what had happened.
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Well, you'd get to the museum,
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on time, I started at 9.
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I got there, got ready.
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Normally we work in suits,
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"suit and tie" so to speak.
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I always dress the same so I don't usually have to change a lot,
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but to make sure my shoes and everything are impeccable,
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and the first thing you'd do is go to the entrance,
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and the other makes the rounds.
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That's more or less the procedure, so...
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It was my turn to make the rounds...
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...that day.
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I checked the halls, and obviously I went to the Rodin exhibit,
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because that was the most important at the time.
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I noticed right away that a sculpture was missing.
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To me, it was like, "W-What happened here?"
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I never imagined it had been stolen,
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instead you think, ah, it was removed by someone...
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...from the museum,
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from conservation,
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some kind of transfer, who knows.
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–Around 11 AM,
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A guard approached me and asked me to...
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to accompany him,
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because they want to confirm something.
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And when I saw the empty podium,
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in the Matta Gallery, that was, to me...
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I think among the emotions I've experienced in the museum,
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without a doubt, this was the most intense.
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Because the image is so tremendous,
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that emptiness is so present,
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the absence, that my mind really went blank.
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I was in the south, in Puerto Varas at the time.
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I was representing the museum in an art competition,
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when they managed to reach me, which was very difficult
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because I didn't use a cell phone at that time,
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I don't use one now, either, nor do I plan on using one.
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One of the people who came with me in that vehicle, a van,
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had a cell phone, so she told me, "The Museum is calling you,"
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and so I took the... cell phone,
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and wham!
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They said to me,
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violently and brutally,
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a Rodin was stolen.
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In that moment, the first thing that occurred to me,
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was to call the Minister of Education to let him know,
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so that he wouldn't find out like I did.
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The Minister of Education at the time was Sergio Bitar.
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...And this was a call I received in my office,
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it must've been from Clara Budnik,
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telling me, "This is what happened."
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I was alarmed because
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the negative political implications for Chile were huge.
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"In a Rodin exhibit they stole a piece in Chile".
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You'd imagine, after that, nobody'd want to exhibit in Chile.
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When an event like that happens to you,
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your first obligation is
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to call the lender.
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Alejandro and I called the Rodin Museum,
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I remember I called when we could, maybe 8 AM, 7 AM...
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and I said, "Well, a sculpture has been stolen."
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On the other end, of course, "OHHH!"
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A howl, French-style...
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In that time I was the chief of the brigade
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for the environment and cultural heritage
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I received an order from District Attorney Baytelman
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that we had to take on the investigation
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into the theft of a sculpture,
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which had occurred at the Fine Arts Museum.
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The first thing we found out,
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in response to the first question you ask yourself,
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it's common sense,
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you don't have to be D.A. to do it, to ask...
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"What about the security cameras?"
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The first thing we confirmed is that,
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the light that was supposed to be on,
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was off. And so...
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We had a camera in silence and black
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from the Matta Gallery.
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It's not as if the lights had failed.
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For economic reasons,
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the museum...
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shut them off,
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and the thing is, the cameras there...
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aren't infrared.
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Here you're seeing the pedestal
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where the sculpture was.
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that one looks like a hair.
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Unfortunately, for the investigation, nothing.
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It wasn't any good because...
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there were no witnesses,
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no one saw anything...
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What would've been the most important, the cameras, didn't work,
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that would've told us everything.
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At first we had no idea how,
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we thought it was an international ring,
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that they'd go to steal it,
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take them out of the country,
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store them away for years,
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and then it'd be up for sale,
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or it'd ends, as with many of these robberies,
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no longer in a museum, but in some rich guy's house,
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who'd have it there for his eyes only.
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How are you? Good afternoon.
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Breaking news coming from the Museum of Fine Arts, Santiago,
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where we're told of the theft
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of a valuable piece by French sculptor Auguste Rodin.
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Live from the center of the capital,
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journalist Alejandro Vega.
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Alejandro, do we know what piece has been stolen?
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No, Consuelo, good afternoon.
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We still don't know what piece,
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it was mentioned that it was possibly
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"The Kiss" by Rodin, the French sculptor,
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however, the only information we know so far
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is that it's a piece worth 500,000 Euros
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Approximately 700,000 Euros
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80,000 Euros
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4,000 Dollars
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1.000.000 dollars
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Today, such important works of art are stolen,
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that it's one of the biggest forms of international crime.
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that it's one of the biggest forms of international crime.
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It is classified in 4th or 5th place after the trafficking of cocaine, heroin, weapons...
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cybercrime, etc.
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But I think the question is...
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deeper than that.
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Because, really...
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art isn't just any object.
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Art is a sacred object, always,
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and this dimension of the sacred in art can't be ignored.
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You know that one of the most important moments in the fame of the Mona Lisa
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was when it was stolen, right before the world war
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That is, in Rodin's day,
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an Italian stole the Mona Lisa.
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The theft was discovered by a painter
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a copyist who had gone to the Louvre to reproduce the piece,
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who noticed that the painting wasn't there.
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He went to ask the guards and curators,
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and at the end of the day there was enough evidence
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that the Mona Lisa...
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had disappeared.
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The Mona Lisa had disappeared for 3 years
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But actually the painting was found because the thief
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tried to sell it to an antique dealer in Florence
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So that phenomenon was very important
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within the history of the Louvre
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and even in art history at the beginning of the 20th century
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And...
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Something that makes me relate
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the theft of the Rodin in Chile with that of the Mona Lisa,
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is the fact that it was immediately assumed that...
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that the thefts...
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could have been carried out by artists.
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In 2005, I was working for an exhibit in a museum,
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of which the theme was
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interpretations of the Temptations of Saint Anthony.
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The representation of Saint Anthony
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within the iconography of... Christianity,
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gives rise to monstrous representations.
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But the theme interested me for visual reasons.
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Guillermo Frommer's exhibit opened in the museum,
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in the Chile Gallery.
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Thus, Rodin was in the Matta Gallery.
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and Guillermo Frommer was in the Chile Gallery,
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and the public that visited the opening
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was fundamentally the public linked to the academic field
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of Guillermo Frommer, so,
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they were students from the art school at Arcis University.
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I was next to Ramón,
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and I saw this crowd of people,
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and like, I almost took off running.
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There were a lot of people, a lot of people.
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And in that sense I was very happy...
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with the attendance on that day of the opening
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We took the liberty to go home,
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the night guard had already arrived, so...
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all clear, nothing new,
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back home until the next day.
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And the next day...
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Unfortunately, we came across quite the surprise.
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–Right, some media outlets had come out with this story
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that I was a possible suspect.
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That is, that I had set all this up,
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to steal the sculpture myself.
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The event was held by a university after the exhibit was open
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so... it was attended by students of that university,
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and guests of the university.
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–The investigation continues.
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Until when?
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Until we know how the piece left the museum.
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I remember the moment perfectly.
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I found it an infinite act of "punga"-ness [trashy, classless].
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I mean, that word exists in Chile
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and you have to use it. The word "punga".
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I mean, for someone to rob a sculpture–
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For the first time, they lend us this tremendous exhibit,
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and someone comes and does something "punga", you know?
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They steal it. That's "punga".
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It got to the point where I was so overwhelmed,
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and that everything was so absurd,
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the dialogues, the theories,
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because everyone starts to think,
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"Who stole it, who didn't steal it, in what situation,"
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"under what circumstances..."
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so what I did at that point was,
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I went for a walk.
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I walked and walked and walked,
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and I went to Forest Park,
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and walked all around it,
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at a fast pace,
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rethinking everything that had happened,
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to see how I could re-approach the situation.
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And where did you go that day,
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when you found out about the theft?
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What did you do that day?
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In the car, in the unlikeliest neighborhoods of Santiago,
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neighborhoods I'd never been to,
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one, because I'm a foreigner,
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so I'd never been in those neighborhoods.
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We were in the car,
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each with our cell phones,
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trying to figure out what was happening.
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In a way you were looking for the sculpture.
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Well, it was a way to do something,
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to react, to not sit around doing nothing.
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I mean...
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We were looking for it, yeah.
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Ridiculous, but, that's what it was.
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Jorge Ramirez confirmed the name of the stolen sculpture,
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which was still undisclosed–
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–None other than the Torso of Adele–
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"Isn't it marvelous?" said Rodin,
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"Accept that you didn't expect to see so much detail,
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admire the infinite undulations of the curvature,
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that unites the groin with the thigh,
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savor all of the voluptuous curves of the hip,
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and now there, on the back,
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all of those adorable dumples.
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It's real flesh,
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seeming abundant in kisses and caresses."
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It's almost unthinkable not to invoke Rodin's love of women.
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It was of public notoriety, there were press statements,
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caricatures that would make him out to be... sex-crazed,
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erotic in terms of the time period,
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incapable of seeing a beautiful woman
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without throwing himself on top of her.
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the text that we just read...
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the words of Rodin on the Torso of Adele.
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"It's real flesh" is saying that, surely, he brings his work far
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from the forms, because he feels the same love
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for the scultpure as for women.
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Over here! over here!
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Can you turn it around so we can see it?
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–Sure.
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Wait a second. Wait a second.
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There?
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There?
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Today, a young man showed up,
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a university student,
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who, this morning, was walking through Forest Park,
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and at about 500 meters from the main entrance to the Museum,
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he found this piece wrapped in nylon and cardboard.
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It caught his eye, then he saw that there was metal,
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he picked it up and brought it home.
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–I remember I appeared, there were journalists,
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and I forgot the place was crowded
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I raised my arm, I said it reappeared, and I was happy.
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Then I started thinking, what would happen? I mean...
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It wasn't there, it was in the police station,
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It had to be brought, there was the D.A.,
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but at that moment, well...
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Phew. It's over, we have it.
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It was found!
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How??
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The police found it in a bush.
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A bush?
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But if it was to steal it, I thought, to sell it internationally,
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to make a ton of money,
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to find it in a bush near the Museum in Forest Park,
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very strange.
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We received word from D.A. Baytelman
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that the statue had appeared in the southern zone...
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I was in the car and Baytelman called,
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saying that we had to go there because they'd found it, so...
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we were relieved,
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but,
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not entirely, because we hadn't seen the piece,
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so we didn't know what state of conservation it was in.
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Go slow, go slow.
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As you could imagine,
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When I got out of the PDI car,
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the only thing going through my head was,
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"I'm going to slip!"
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and the next day's headlines,
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"Prosecutor recovers and destroys,
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due to clumsiness and lack of motor skills,
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The Torso of Adèle."
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I was looking at it, and I couldn't believe it.
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I look at it as if, I don't know,
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a child you'd lost in the street and then you find him.
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So I was quite tired, and...
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I still didn't understand what was happening.
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"Discarded in a Park" Stolen Rodin piece reappears
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Strange robbery
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Here's the declaration delivered by... Luis Emilio Onfray,
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At the... police station where he returned the piece.
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"That today at 9:30 AM approximately,
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while taking a walk in Forest Park in Santiago,
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taking photos he says, specifically,
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that moment he noticed that, in a patch,
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there were some nylons,
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and in the middle of them was a sculpture,
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which I picked up and wrapped in my sweatshirt,
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and then put away in my bag,"
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reads the declaration.
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It was an improbable version, I'd say.
331
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Which was a good thing.
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A weak version of the facts often offers a strong suspect.
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The two of us entered the office where the suspect was,
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and he looked very nervous.
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That was my first impression of him.
336
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During that conversation I...
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I told him why I think he was lying...
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because if he is an art student, who has been studying for 3 years,
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and who also attended Rodin's exhibition that night,
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He could not pretend he did not know what it was
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In other words, he always knew what he had in his hands
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So... that's when he begins to contradict himself,
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and starts to feel like...
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Like he's trapped on his lie.
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–When we got there,
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Luis Onfray was...
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In a manner of speaking, the hero of the day.
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When we left,
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what we had was a confessed accused.
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University student
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confessed
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theft
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Ok, Emilio, we are shooting.
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I´m ready to roll
355
00:21:44,375 --> 00:21:47,208
I have to stare at you or the camera?
356
00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:52,040
I'm in the same clothes as yesterday.
357
00:21:52,041 --> 00:21:54,124
Sorry, man.
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–Try not to put your hand there, the mic—
359
00:21:56,125 --> 00:21:59,791
–Ah, alright. Got it, man.
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I won't touch the shirt again.
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A very... special young man.
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I mean, he wasn't... a university student yes,
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but he was quite outside
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of what's considered a normal student.
365
00:22:37,875 --> 00:22:40,582
If you tell me how old is Luis Emilio, then I'll tell you "that many years"
366
00:22:40,583 --> 00:22:42,541
that means I know him from his whole life
367
00:22:42,542 --> 00:22:46,542
because his family is practically my second family
368
00:22:52,417 --> 00:22:54,000
Do you wanna hit him, too?
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Just hit me at once.
370
00:22:56,291 --> 00:22:58,416
Look, look, it doesn't hurt him. Watch–
371
00:22:58,417 --> 00:23:00,124
A woman hasn't hit me yet.
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1, 2, 3
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Again, again!
374
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The adolescent Luis Emilio was a stray bullet.
375
00:23:21,834 --> 00:23:24,041
he was abnormally hyperactive...
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00:23:25,417 --> 00:23:26,458
constantly.
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He always had ideas, and went out, and got back late.
378
00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:33,124
And later, when he was already a young adult,
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00:23:33,125 --> 00:23:34,125
he didn't go back.
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00:23:34,126 --> 00:23:36,207
And so it began, "Where's Emilio?"
381
00:23:36,208 --> 00:23:37,000
The calls began...
382
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Well, that exhibit, like the majority of exhibitions in Chile,
383
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:15,083
the opening was pretty crowded.
384
00:24:17,917 --> 00:24:21,875
I had the urge to go to the bathroom
385
00:24:26,875 --> 00:24:28,040
The bathroom was in the basement.
386
00:24:28,041 --> 00:24:32,041
Like, there was a staircase down to it.
387
00:24:54,250 --> 00:24:59,374
And I came across a completely abandoned, dark environment,
388
00:24:59,375 --> 00:25:02,374
which was very different from...
389
00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:04,791
what was going on above,
390
00:25:04,792 --> 00:25:06,792
it was the opposite.
391
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:12,583
I don't know why, I walked toward a specific point
392
00:25:16,291 --> 00:25:19,083
and I came across the Torso of Adele.
393
00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:35,916
There was an encounter.
394
00:25:35,917 --> 00:25:39,749
And you can't say there wasn't an encounter because there was.
395
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:41,916
I was heading to the bathroom,
396
00:25:41,917 --> 00:25:44,333
I didn't go to the bathroom, I went there...
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No alarms went off, nothing went off.
398
00:25:51,917 --> 00:25:54,375
I picked it up as if it was mine,
399
00:25:56,458 --> 00:25:59,082
and put it in my bag like it was the best treasure
400
00:25:59,083 --> 00:26:02,875
I'd ever found in the world.
401
00:26:10,875 --> 00:26:12,332
It was just right.
402
00:26:12,333 --> 00:26:13,750
It was the day.
403
00:26:14,166 --> 00:26:16,582
I didn't think twice,
404
00:26:16,583 --> 00:26:18,666
because I already knew it.
405
00:26:18,667 --> 00:26:19,125
I didn't think twice,
406
00:26:21,917 --> 00:26:23,708
I already knew it.
407
00:26:31,125 --> 00:26:33,833
According to the version that L.E Onfray
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00:26:33,834 --> 00:26:35,874
gave to La Segunda newspaper,
409
00:26:35,875 --> 00:26:39,499
which was the only media he ever gave an interview...
410
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,999
"It was a random act" "no, I'm not nervous"
411
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,666
After taking the piece from the Fine Arts Museum,
412
00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:51,332
he went to the surrounding area of the building, which is Forest Park
413
00:26:51,333 --> 00:26:54,374
-"How did it feel having it?" -"It's quite a special sensation."
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00:26:54,374 --> 00:27:00,457
And, sitting on a bench, according to this source,
415
00:26:54,375 --> 00:26:56,874
"a unique object"
416
00:26:56,875 --> 00:26:59,125
"a connection"
417
00:27:00,458 --> 00:27:04,791
He stares at it, he touches it, and just then...
418
00:27:04,792 --> 00:27:07,541
he began to size up what he'd done,
419
00:27:07,542 --> 00:27:11,500
even though at that point he still don't know which piece he had.
420
00:27:18,208 --> 00:27:25,166
And what he then does is he takes a taxi, and brings the piece home in the same backpack
421
00:27:35,417 --> 00:27:40,624
-"Who else knew about this?" -"There's nobody else involved, it was just me..."
422
00:27:40,625 --> 00:27:44,666
That day, it wasn't invite-only,
423
00:27:44,667 --> 00:27:46,416
it was free to enter,
424
00:27:46,417 --> 00:27:47,542
so it was chaotic.
425
00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:53,541
I checked out the exhibit, I didn't see anyone,
426
00:27:53,542 --> 00:27:56,624
and at some point I leave the Museum of Fine Arts
427
00:27:56,625 --> 00:27:57,666
of Fine Arts, I walk down the stairs,
428
00:27:57,667 --> 00:28:01,082
and suddenly, there, Luis leaves the Museum,
429
00:28:01,083 --> 00:28:06,165
excited, jumpy, and he says,
430
00:28:06,166 --> 00:28:08,875
"Let's go have some wine, on me."
431
00:28:10,625 --> 00:28:12,417
I was like, "Alright, let's go."
432
00:28:16,625 --> 00:28:19,749
After we bought the wine,
433
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:21,916
we were sitting down, and suddenly,
434
00:28:21,917 --> 00:28:23,666
and says, "Look...
435
00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:25,125
I have a Rodin."
436
00:28:26,166 --> 00:28:28,207
I couldn't believe it. 20 kilograms,
437
00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:30,582
a Rodin in bronze,
438
00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:32,541
and I looked at it, he took it from me,
439
00:28:32,542 --> 00:28:34,582
I took it back,
440
00:28:34,583 --> 00:28:39,458
and nothing more than adoring the piece in front of us.
441
00:28:42,166 --> 00:28:47,458
Then we got up, put it back in his bag, and went to Forest Park.
442
00:28:49,875 --> 00:28:51,374
There was no one, no one in the park–
443
00:28:51,375 --> 00:28:54,290
well, there was a street-maintenance man,
444
00:28:54,291 --> 00:28:57,458
I don't know what he was doing there at that hour.
445
00:29:00,208 --> 00:29:03,582
At one point I said to him,
446
00:29:03,583 --> 00:29:05,165
"Hey, know what, you'd better hide this,
447
00:29:05,166 --> 00:29:07,207
throw it away," I started to...
448
00:29:07,208 --> 00:29:09,291
to think a litte bit.
449
00:29:17,291 --> 00:29:20,083
You're going to hear many different versions.
450
00:29:20,542 --> 00:29:21,750
So far.
451
00:29:21,751 --> 00:29:23,124
One, that...
452
00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:28,499
they had tried to sell the sculpture on Ahumada Street,
453
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,583
to buy alcohol.
454
00:29:30,875 --> 00:29:31,500
Which is pretty funny.
455
00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:37,833
and I thought, "What would Rodin think if he were alive?"
456
00:29:37,834 --> 00:29:39,749
That in such a remote country his sculpture was stolen,
457
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:42,290
to be exchanged for alcohol, as I understand,
458
00:29:42,291 --> 00:29:45,290
on a public street, at night.
459
00:29:45,291 --> 00:29:46,041
Maybe he'd be happy.
460
00:29:51,125 --> 00:29:54,290
What rumors do I know about the Rodin case?
461
00:29:54,291 --> 00:29:57,833
For example, I heard it was like...
462
00:29:57,834 --> 00:29:58,667
The exhibit ended,
463
00:29:58,668 --> 00:30:01,707
he met up with some friends outside,
464
00:30:01,708 --> 00:30:04,124
and he says "What up, bro!"
465
00:30:04,125 --> 00:30:06,833
Classic Chilean slang: "What up, 'weon'! How ya doin'?"
466
00:30:06,834 --> 00:30:09,166
"Good! Look what I got!" Bam!
467
00:30:10,583 --> 00:30:13,082
It's like, "Why?!" You know?
468
00:30:13,083 --> 00:30:16,207
"But alright, it's already here, so whatever.
469
00:30:16,208 --> 00:30:19,666
Now let's go drink."
470
00:30:19,667 --> 00:30:22,374
So they went with a group of friends,
471
00:30:22,375 --> 00:30:25,542
to one of their apartments nearby...
472
00:30:32,708 --> 00:30:35,499
They were there in the apartment,
473
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:36,333
it was completely through the roof...
474
00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:40,375
and a Rodin sculpture in the center of the table.
475
00:30:48,625 --> 00:30:51,707
Anyway, here's another rumor.
476
00:30:51,708 --> 00:30:54,582
So they were partying,
477
00:30:54,583 --> 00:30:55,458
and...
478
00:30:55,459 --> 00:30:58,707
and one individual reaches into his magic pocket,
479
00:30:58,708 --> 00:30:59,999
takes out a baggie,
480
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,666
and so he says, "Man, what are we doing?
481
00:31:05,667 --> 00:31:08,041
I mean, let's do it like the Kings.
482
00:31:10,083 --> 00:31:13,290
So, on this nude body,
483
00:31:13,291 --> 00:31:15,707
by Rodin, the Torso of Adele in the center,
484
00:31:15,708 --> 00:31:16,583
whoosh.
485
00:31:21,417 --> 00:31:23,041
Actually I also think it's a nice image.
486
00:31:35,375 --> 00:31:38,417
–Obviously they arrested me,
487
00:31:39,625 --> 00:31:41,082
and it was one of the most humiliating things
488
00:31:41,083 --> 00:31:43,375
that's happened to me
489
00:31:44,708 --> 00:31:47,166
Being shackled and tied up.
490
00:31:50,375 --> 00:31:54,625
Police Headquarter, Independencia
491
00:31:52,375 --> 00:31:55,750
And then they shut me in a cell.
492
00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:04,834
It was pretty lonely, cold, a damp night,
493
00:32:10,083 --> 00:32:13,874
In the morning I heard this:
494
00:32:13,875 --> 00:32:15,417
A cop, like 6'3" tall,
495
00:32:16,542 --> 00:32:17,500
and he goes,
496
00:32:17,501 --> 00:32:20,750
"You the jerk who shamed the country?"
497
00:32:21,708 --> 00:32:23,375
and I told him, "Yes."
498
00:32:26,125 --> 00:32:29,583
And then they put me in a van
499
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:32,166
and they brought me to the courthouse.
500
00:32:39,083 --> 00:32:42,040
And there, dude, they put me in a common cell,
501
00:32:42,041 --> 00:32:44,000
like where they put EVERYONE.
502
00:32:45,834 --> 00:32:46,667
The men were here,
503
00:32:46,668 --> 00:32:48,750
and a couple of women here,
504
00:32:50,208 --> 00:32:52,750
and the cops, and everything dark... dark.
505
00:32:53,625 --> 00:32:57,417
And over here, everyone was shackled together.
506
00:32:58,875 --> 00:33:00,416
And they called your name,
507
00:33:00,417 --> 00:33:03,207
And eventually they called mine,
508
00:33:03,208 --> 00:33:09,417
And I reach out my arm and shout, "Please get me out of here!"
509
00:33:12,834 --> 00:33:15,833
and the lawyer had the last name Pinochet.
510
00:33:15,834 --> 00:33:17,333
And I said, "I'm fucked."
511
00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:21,457
He asked me, "You're the man?"
512
00:33:21,458 --> 00:33:23,083
and I said, "Yes, I am the man,"
513
00:33:23,333 --> 00:33:26,874
and he picked up the phone, click,
514
00:33:26,875 --> 00:33:27,999
and, in less than a minute,
515
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,499
in less than a minute,
516
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:33,290
A guy showed up about 6'4" or more,
517
00:33:33,291 --> 00:33:34,707
and he goes "Hi, how are you?"
518
00:33:34,708 --> 00:33:36,791
I'm Luis Masferrer, your lawyer.
519
00:33:36,792 --> 00:33:41,333
Tell me everything that happened in two minutes, or less"
520
00:33:42,041 --> 00:33:46,624
–I saw a very scared boy,
521
00:33:46,625 --> 00:33:48,582
and he was giving an account,
522
00:33:48,583 --> 00:33:50,666
which in my judgement, and my first impression,
523
00:33:50,667 --> 00:33:52,749
was very genuine,
524
00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:54,874
and astounding of what
525
00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:57,750
it was going to be heard, in minutes, at the hearing,
526
00:33:58,208 --> 00:34:01,833
regarding what his motivation was
527
00:34:01,834 --> 00:34:03,313
for taking the Torso of Adele.
528
00:34:03,314 --> 00:34:05,874
With nearly an hour-long delay,
529
00:34:05,875 --> 00:34:07,040
the detention hearing began
530
00:34:07,041 --> 00:34:12,666
in the case of the young man referred to as initials L.E.O.F.,
531
00:34:12,667 --> 00:34:13,792
20 years of age–
532
00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:25,000
–This is like the throne where the judge was,
533
00:34:26,458 --> 00:34:28,081
and the whole prosecution entourage as well,
534
00:34:28,083 --> 00:34:31,081
there were millions of people,
535
00:34:31,083 --> 00:34:33,416
and in the back, too.
536
00:34:33,417 --> 00:34:35,750
Millions, millions, millions...
537
00:34:37,583 --> 00:34:38,250
Public Ministry?
538
00:34:38,251 --> 00:34:41,250
Andrés Baytelman, Your Honor.
539
00:34:42,875 --> 00:34:45,331
I'm joined by the victims in this case.
540
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:47,331
Could you state your names, please?
541
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:49,416
My name is Alejandro Molina Valdivieso,
542
00:34:49,417 --> 00:34:52,081
I'm the curator of the Rodin retrospective in Chile.
543
00:34:52,083 --> 00:34:54,833
My name is Milan Ivelic,
544
00:34:54,833 --> 00:34:57,333
I'm the director of the National Fine Arts Museum,
545
00:34:58,708 --> 00:34:59,583
Very well.
546
00:34:59,584 --> 00:35:02,500
The detainee is present. His information, please.
547
00:35:03,667 --> 00:35:05,917
Luis Emilio Onfray Fabres.
548
00:35:06,542 --> 00:35:07,792
Occupation?
549
00:35:08,041 --> 00:35:09,875
Student.
550
00:35:10,083 --> 00:35:11,208
Poor little guy.
551
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:14,583
The impression I had of him?
552
00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:16,041
That he was a kid.
553
00:35:17,875 --> 00:35:19,833
He was a common, average kid,
554
00:35:19,834 --> 00:35:21,290
he wasn't a seasoned criminal,
555
00:35:21,291 --> 00:35:25,583
or a specialist in theft or art theft, clearly.
556
00:35:26,583 --> 00:35:28,874
Well, Your Honor,
557
00:35:28,875 --> 00:35:32,875
We are investigating Mr. Luis for having stolen this work of art
558
00:35:33,542 --> 00:35:39,791
It is part of the case that this theft was due to a deliberate plan,
559
00:35:39,792 --> 00:35:42,165
regarding this Exhibition.
560
00:35:42,166 --> 00:35:43,125
–And the defense?
561
00:35:45,792 --> 00:35:48,124
What the defense holds...
562
00:35:48,125 --> 00:35:51,374
that no motivation for profit existed.
563
00:35:51,375 --> 00:35:53,749
That said, on with the following:
564
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:56,582
This is Luis Emilio Onfray Fabres
565
00:35:56,583 --> 00:35:59,791
he has a critical perspective of art
566
00:35:59,792 --> 00:36:01,874
in which he wants to show the duality
567
00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:03,833
between the present and the absent,
568
00:36:03,834 --> 00:36:04,999
and to show the vulnerability
569
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,041
of the art museums in our country.
570
00:36:17,917 --> 00:36:20,499
It-it was like, yeah, you're kidding me.
571
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:23,124
First, you stole a Rodin, which could only happen in Chile,
572
00:36:23,125 --> 00:36:25,124
then, you returned it,
573
00:36:25,125 --> 00:36:27,499
and you told me this whole story
574
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:29,499
that you found in in Forest Park,
575
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:32,416
and later, you tell the prosecution, the court,
576
00:36:32,417 --> 00:36:36,040
the media, and through them, the people, Chilean society,
577
00:36:36,041 --> 00:36:37,499
that actually, you stole it because
578
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:38,707
you wanted to demonstrate something
579
00:36:38,708 --> 00:36:41,416
that had to do with art and your academic formation.
580
00:36:41,417 --> 00:36:42,291
Nah.
581
00:36:42,292 --> 00:36:46,041
And then I said "this is the icing on the cake"...
582
00:36:48,208 --> 00:36:50,666
the guy was a "punga" with rhetoric
583
00:36:50,667 --> 00:36:52,040
It was a project on Vulnerability,
584
00:36:52,041 --> 00:36:54,791
in which he wanted to show
585
00:36:54,792 --> 00:36:57,207
the duality between the absent and the present.
586
00:36:57,208 --> 00:36:59,458
and his way to manifest that was,
587
00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:05,125
"Can a work of art be present and absent at the same time, though it is not?"
588
00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:09,416
"Can a work of art be present and absent at the same time, though it is not?"
589
00:37:09,417 --> 00:37:11,083
–And I remember hearing a lot of laughter
590
00:37:12,333 --> 00:37:15,749
that would seem like, "listen to the nonsense he's proposing,"
591
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:18,165
but when this began to gain momentum,
592
00:37:18,166 --> 00:37:22,707
it began to be accepted even by the judge,
593
00:37:22,708 --> 00:37:24,040
that laughter turned to silence,
594
00:37:24,041 --> 00:37:26,916
and what begins to be heard
595
00:37:26,917 --> 00:37:28,333
is the murmur of "Here comes the news story."
596
00:37:29,542 --> 00:37:32,124
I don't remember having disqualified this as being an act of art.
597
00:37:32,125 --> 00:37:33,000
I wasn't unfamiliar with that.
598
00:37:33,001 --> 00:37:35,125
I remember, at the very least,
599
00:37:36,417 --> 00:37:39,332
that what I concluded,
600
00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:40,250
was that, in order to realize the "art action",
601
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:41,208
the crime had to be committed,
602
00:37:41,209 --> 00:37:43,291
and the crime, for us...
603
00:37:45,083 --> 00:37:46,582
...had to be punished,
604
00:37:46,583 --> 00:37:48,708
or was at least worthy of investigation.
605
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:51,040
He's free as of now,
606
00:37:51,041 --> 00:37:53,082
which means absolutely nothing
607
00:37:53,083 --> 00:37:56,290
regarding whether or not the process will continue.
608
00:37:56,291 --> 00:37:58,916
"[The one] who took the sculpture is an ignoramus"
609
00:37:58,917 --> 00:38:01,582
Dude who stole sculpture claims its an "art performance"
610
00:38:01,583 --> 00:38:04,082
Theft of Rodin affects Chile's image internationally
611
00:38:04,083 --> 00:38:10,707
The theft of the Rodin piece caused such a stir that...
612
00:38:10,708 --> 00:38:13,999
it was linked by some media outlets with another important even
613
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,333
with similar characteristics that occurred at the beginning of the 80's
614
00:38:18,834 --> 00:38:20,624
In mid-October of last year,
615
00:38:20,625 --> 00:38:23,332
installed in front of the National Fine Arts Museum
616
00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:24,749
here in our capital
617
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:28,165
was the sculpture by artist Humberto Nilo called "Apuntes".
618
00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:33,916
It consisted of a beach chair situated on an iron platform,
619
00:38:33,917 --> 00:38:36,165
which also had a pyramid, and a plant.
620
00:38:36,166 --> 00:38:39,541
The chair sculpture by Humbero Nilo
621
00:38:39,542 --> 00:38:42,625
was like a kind of attack.
622
00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:48,541
Because to many people it seemed absolutely absurd,
623
00:38:48,542 --> 00:38:51,332
That an object like a beach chair could become a sculpture.
624
00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:53,916
What's your opinion?
625
00:38:53,917 --> 00:38:56,457
Everytime I walked by I thought the chair was abandoned
626
00:38:56,458 --> 00:38:58,207
while they cleaned or organized,
627
00:38:58,208 --> 00:39:01,833
but now I'm told it was a monument and I find it absurd.
628
00:39:01,834 --> 00:39:03,999
Truly, I find it very, very esoteric that...
629
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,165
I don't understand what it's trying to say.
630
00:39:08,166 --> 00:39:11,249
I think this is an attack. An actual attack on art.
631
00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:14,416
This could never compare to Modern art.
632
00:39:14,417 --> 00:39:15,083
Original and very empty.
633
00:39:15,084 --> 00:39:17,040
What does the chair symbolize?
634
00:39:17,041 --> 00:39:18,999
It doesn't represent anything.
635
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,082
It's only an idea put out there.
636
00:39:21,083 --> 00:39:23,416
And are you satisfied with that work, or not?
637
00:39:23,417 --> 00:39:25,499
I'm satisfied, now more than ever because
638
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:29,874
I know that it's creating a conflict... a cultural conflict,
639
00:39:29,875 --> 00:39:32,833
of a plastic culture, which in this country,
640
00:39:32,834 --> 00:39:34,917
is quite behind.
641
00:39:35,291 --> 00:39:36,208
The argument around it originated
642
00:39:36,209 --> 00:39:39,374
in the impressions of one of our commentators,
643
00:39:39,375 --> 00:39:41,374
writer Enrique Lafourcade.
644
00:39:41,375 --> 00:39:46,374
It's 7 PM and the "vulgarity" is still here,
645
00:39:46,375 --> 00:39:49,333
in front of the Fine Arts Museum.
646
00:39:50,917 --> 00:39:53,666
The director of the museum has said publicly
647
00:39:53,667 --> 00:39:58,457
that as long as she is director of the Fine Arts Museum,
648
00:39:58,458 --> 00:40:02,916
this artifact is going to stay where it is,
649
00:40:02,917 --> 00:40:04,040
in this place of honor,
650
00:40:04,041 --> 00:40:07,542
beside the great sculpture of Rebeca Matte.
651
00:40:11,583 --> 00:40:15,124
This morning, the chair was uprooted
652
00:40:15,125 --> 00:40:17,207
by unknown suspects,
653
00:40:17,208 --> 00:40:20,207
who left only the bolts.
654
00:40:20,208 --> 00:40:23,457
This is something very interesting because,
655
00:40:23,458 --> 00:40:27,707
this was a time when saying "A sculpture was stolen,"
656
00:40:27,708 --> 00:40:29,916
the first thing you'd think
657
00:40:29,917 --> 00:40:32,457
is, "A sculpture was caused to disappear."
658
00:40:32,458 --> 00:40:37,666
That is, here, in this time, 1981-82–
659
00:40:37,667 --> 00:40:41,791
They were times when people were taken from their homes,
660
00:40:41,792 --> 00:40:43,499
and were never brought back.
661
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:47,290
–How do you feel after hearing this information?
662
00:40:47,291 --> 00:40:50,791
I'm not surprised by the act itself,
663
00:40:50,792 --> 00:40:54,833
because it could perfectly well form part of the piece.
664
00:40:54,834 --> 00:40:57,750
Imagining a "happening" or an art action.
665
00:40:59,291 --> 00:41:03,791
But, yes, the act itself of vandalism is another thing,
666
00:41:03,792 --> 00:41:05,707
which is a product of misinformation
667
00:41:05,708 --> 00:41:07,874
and a lack of culture in this country.
668
00:41:07,875 --> 00:41:08,208
You're a suspect, Enrique.
669
00:41:08,209 --> 00:41:10,290
Well, the first suspect is obvious but
670
00:41:10,291 --> 00:41:12,582
I would've stolen the whole thing;
671
00:41:12,583 --> 00:41:13,916
they only stole the seat,
672
00:41:13,917 --> 00:41:17,457
they left the platform, the cactus, and a pyramid
673
00:41:17,458 --> 00:41:20,457
But even in the supposed case,
674
00:41:20,458 --> 00:41:23,582
in some kind of momentary insanity,
675
00:41:23,583 --> 00:41:25,666
in which I would have stolen this seat,
676
00:41:25,667 --> 00:41:27,416
What would I do with it in my house?
677
00:41:27,417 --> 00:41:29,416
That's the question I have.
678
00:41:29,417 --> 00:41:31,625
Or what is the thief going to do with this chair?
679
00:41:37,458 --> 00:41:42,249
Responding to an anonymous call to our press department
680
00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:44,624
about the location of the chair,
681
00:41:44,625 --> 00:41:47,040
which this morning was stolen
682
00:41:47,041 --> 00:41:49,332
from the Fine Arts Museum,
683
00:41:49,333 --> 00:41:52,707
we've arrived here to the Lo Saldes bridge,
684
00:41:52,708 --> 00:41:54,040
and we've proven that, effectively,
685
00:41:54,041 --> 00:41:56,874
it's under a willow tree
686
00:41:56,875 --> 00:41:59,290
near the Vitacura Roundabout...
687
00:41:59,166 --> 00:42:06,041
"Art Avengers' Command" tossed it in the Mapocho [River].
688
00:41:59,291 --> 00:42:03,791
...and a document that reads,
689
00:42:03,792 --> 00:42:06,165
"To citizens of Santiago, the country, everyone,
690
00:42:06,166 --> 00:42:10,374
We return the chair as a warning and not as a an apology.
691
00:42:10,375 --> 00:42:12,833
Hopefully from this patriotic act,
692
00:42:12,834 --> 00:42:15,582
some conclusions have been reached.
693
00:42:15,583 --> 00:42:17,666
Among them, that our nation's art
694
00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:20,332
must be a reason for national pride,
695
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:21,291
and not for embarrassment and shamelessness.
696
00:42:30,708 --> 00:42:32,666
The night I went to the...
697
00:42:32,667 --> 00:42:34,707
...to see the Sergio Castillo exhibit,
698
00:42:34,708 --> 00:42:36,624
the guard was explaining everything to me,
699
00:42:36,625 --> 00:42:39,582
he reminded me what had happened,
700
00:42:39,583 --> 00:42:41,499
and on my way out of the museum he goes,
701
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:43,916
"And I have the photo of the boy,"
702
00:42:43,917 --> 00:42:46,916
because apparently they had it posted
703
00:42:46,917 --> 00:42:48,749
to avoid him entering again.
704
00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:50,207
So he gave me this paper yesterday,
705
00:42:50,208 --> 00:42:54,625
which I was looking at, which has on it his ID number,
706
00:42:55,333 --> 00:42:57,708
so here's the face of this young man...
707
00:42:58,166 --> 00:43:00,417
but here he's 10 years younger.
708
00:43:31,041 --> 00:43:33,000
Everything was in order.
709
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,582
Ranges of equilibrium,
710
00:43:36,583 --> 00:43:37,333
ranges of arousal,
711
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:38,999
and ranges...
712
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,290
of something particularly Chilean, I think,
713
00:43:42,291 --> 00:43:43,999
A sort of...
714
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,083
taste for other's stuff
715
00:43:56,583 --> 00:43:59,708
The taxi dropped me off at my house.
716
00:44:00,125 --> 00:44:04,166
There I looked at it... completely.
717
00:44:06,625 --> 00:44:08,583
A magnificent piece.
718
00:44:14,834 --> 00:44:19,083
He even smoked a cigarette observing the Torso of Adele.
719
00:44:20,875 --> 00:44:22,041
–Isolated from the world,
720
00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:25,624
From what I remember he said,
721
00:44:25,625 --> 00:44:27,332
"It was the sculpture...
722
00:44:27,333 --> 00:44:30,208
me, and my project."
723
00:44:32,875 --> 00:44:35,875
My first reaction was to draw.
724
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,583
Later, obviously tired, I fell asleep.
725
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,082
I got up in the morning,
726
00:45:27,083 --> 00:45:29,208
and I kept seeing it.
727
00:45:31,333 --> 00:45:33,124
And of course,
728
00:45:33,125 --> 00:45:35,125
the dream ended.
729
00:45:38,792 --> 00:45:40,834
And then, the second phase,
730
00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:43,499
which was also part of the project:
731
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:45,457
Turning on the TV,
732
00:45:45,458 --> 00:45:49,583
and trying to see the impact this was having.
733
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:55,124
"Jocelyn pleas emotionally to Carlos and promises to change"
734
00:45:55,125 --> 00:45:57,916
Maybe you...
735
00:45:57,917 --> 00:46:00,707
think...
736
00:46:00,708 --> 00:46:01,250
I did it, and...
737
00:46:01,251 --> 00:46:02,416
and it hurts you and–
738
00:46:02,417 --> 00:46:06,833
–Carlos. We'd like to ask you for a compromise,
739
00:46:06,834 --> 00:46:09,374
and leave you two to talk in private
740
00:46:09,375 --> 00:46:11,416
because there's a lot you have to resolve,
741
00:46:11,417 --> 00:46:12,417
and this is the first step.
742
00:46:12,418 --> 00:46:14,624
Before that we're going to cut to the news,
743
00:46:14,625 --> 00:46:16,707
I want to ask you for just a moment,
744
00:46:16,708 --> 00:46:19,000
because we have contact right now with The 24 Report.
745
00:46:28,041 --> 00:46:29,165
How are you? Good afternoon.
746
00:46:29,166 --> 00:46:32,999
Breaking news coming from the Museum of Fine Arts, Santiago,
747
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,499
where we're told of the theft
748
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:39,624
of a valuable piece by French sculptor Auguste Rodin.
749
00:46:39,625 --> 00:46:41,165
Live from the center of the capital,
750
00:46:41,166 --> 00:46:43,499
journalist Alejandro Vega.
751
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,874
Alejandro, do we know what piece has been stolen?
752
00:46:46,875 --> 00:46:49,124
Every channel was showing the same thing, and I...
753
00:46:49,125 --> 00:46:50,583
watching.
754
00:46:51,375 --> 00:46:55,250
But from the perspective of a spectator.
755
00:46:55,542 --> 00:46:58,625
Not as an artist who did the work...
756
00:47:00,375 --> 00:47:01,874
but as a spectator,
757
00:47:01,875 --> 00:47:03,582
seeing what was happening,
758
00:47:03,583 --> 00:47:04,083
like a voyeur.
759
00:47:04,084 --> 00:47:09,707
A piece esimated to be worth around 500,000 Euros.
760
00:47:09,708 --> 00:47:12,749
More information about this and other news
761
00:47:12,750 --> 00:47:13,791
in the main edition of 24 Hours,
762
00:47:13,792 --> 00:47:17,208
and now returning to Martin and Barbara in "Passions".
763
00:47:22,875 --> 00:47:24,165
My main idea...
764
00:47:24,166 --> 00:47:26,290
was to keep it a few days,
765
00:47:26,291 --> 00:47:28,582
many more days,
766
00:47:28,583 --> 00:47:30,749
15 days at least,
767
00:47:30,750 --> 00:47:32,416
and do another circuit as well.
768
00:47:32,417 --> 00:47:38,624
And when I saw the media hype that my Action caused,
769
00:47:38,625 --> 00:47:40,833
it was really complicated for me.
770
00:47:40,834 --> 00:47:41,792
Very complex. I said,
771
00:47:41,793 --> 00:47:43,250
"What do I do?"
772
00:47:50,708 --> 00:47:52,999
The trip to the police station was very chaotic.
773
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,416
It was very fast...
774
00:47:54,417 --> 00:47:57,541
but it was confusing, so confusing,
775
00:47:57,542 --> 00:48:00,875
there were a million things going through my head.
776
00:48:02,708 --> 00:48:05,750
Ideas like, they are going to lock me up, dude.
777
00:48:15,333 --> 00:48:20,749
Anyway, when you're 20, it's like your mind goes wild
778
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:21,917
It's like...
779
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,499
So, I arrived to the police station ... and I said to them,
780
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,624
"You know what? I found this."
781
00:48:36,625 --> 00:48:41,083
to not get involved in a legal issue...
782
00:48:42,625 --> 00:48:46,833
That was my biggest fear, being in a legal issue,
783
00:48:46,834 --> 00:48:48,917
and being locked up.
784
00:48:51,458 --> 00:48:52,999
and that scared me... the law.
785
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,707
The law scared me.
786
00:48:55,708 --> 00:48:59,541
Because they perfectly could have
787
00:48:59,542 --> 00:49:02,332
sentenced me to five years and a day
788
00:49:02,333 --> 00:49:06,208
for theft, and I am not a thief.
789
00:49:07,333 --> 00:49:09,208
I am an artist.
790
00:49:29,875 --> 00:49:31,165
Art is a fantasy.
791
00:49:31,166 --> 00:49:36,125
A fantasy and at the same time, unproductive
792
00:49:37,792 --> 00:49:42,624
I always try to highlight the golden
793
00:49:42,625 --> 00:49:45,541
"Gold", like the gold.
794
00:49:45,542 --> 00:49:47,290
because gold is a fantasy
795
00:49:47,291 --> 00:49:52,166
and I like to provoke a fantasy.
796
00:50:21,625 --> 00:50:24,374
This is a work that I really like
797
00:50:24,375 --> 00:50:27,499
because when I did it, it was October 12,
798
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:32,457
In which I appear as some sort...
799
00:50:32,458 --> 00:50:36,542
of aboriginal or native person,
800
00:50:45,667 --> 00:50:49,165
And then a priest appears, who is a tattoo artist,
801
00:50:49,166 --> 00:50:53,207
and he tattooed me on my right rib
802
00:50:53,208 --> 00:50:55,290
the words "Son of God,"
803
00:50:55,291 --> 00:51:01,542
connecting the culture and Catholicism.
804
00:51:20,041 --> 00:51:24,499
One day Emilio discovered this fetus in my home
805
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:25,083
and...
806
00:51:25,084 --> 00:51:26,290
he stared at it...
807
00:51:26,291 --> 00:51:28,166
and I think he instantly conceived his Work
808
00:51:29,417 --> 00:51:31,082
This work,
809
00:51:31,083 --> 00:51:36,374
I find it great. I find it beautiful, it has lots of harmony
810
00:51:36,375 --> 00:51:37,291
Because...
811
00:51:37,292 --> 00:51:39,499
The fetus is dead,
812
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,624
but it's organic,
813
00:51:42,625 --> 00:51:46,916
and the lettuce has roots that feed it...
814
00:51:46,917 --> 00:51:48,290
and it's also organic,
815
00:51:48,291 --> 00:51:54,207
So here, I get a feeling of a relation between...
816
00:51:54,208 --> 00:51:56,207
life and death
817
00:51:56,208 --> 00:51:57,666
as a first impression.
818
00:51:57,667 --> 00:51:59,249
In a second reading,
819
00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:03,541
there is a relation between the seed and germination,
820
00:52:03,542 --> 00:52:05,833
and thirdly,
821
00:52:05,834 --> 00:52:07,291
I think there's a relation between...
822
00:52:09,542 --> 00:52:11,208
Turn on life...
823
00:52:13,083 --> 00:52:17,750
and maintaining it with the promise that it's going to end.
824
00:52:34,458 --> 00:52:38,332
I can´t stand the shame, I ask God to forgive me
825
00:52:38,333 --> 00:52:41,040
I acted desperately
826
00:52:41,041 --> 00:52:43,291
under the influence of alcohol
827
00:52:44,708 --> 00:52:48,541
I'm not okay, I know that you're not okay either,
828
00:52:48,542 --> 00:52:50,749
I know that we need each other
829
00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:55,624
I'll get back on my feet. Don't be scared, I'll keep my distance,
830
00:52:55,625 --> 00:52:58,874
I won't drink another drop of alcohol
831
00:52:58,875 --> 00:53:00,332
until I recover my balance.
832
00:53:00,333 --> 00:53:05,792
I'll work hard until I overcome my violent tendencies
833
00:53:08,917 --> 00:53:11,124
Without a doubt...
834
00:53:11,125 --> 00:53:16,374
Emilio has an addiction-prone personality–
835
00:53:16,375 --> 00:53:18,375
for the use and abuse of substances.
836
00:53:29,166 --> 00:53:32,499
When I talk I feel, like, good.
837
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:33,874
–When you talk?
838
00:53:33,875 --> 00:53:36,332
–'Cuz talking's great, you know?
839
00:53:36,333 --> 00:53:36,834
–Yeah.
840
00:53:36,835 --> 00:53:39,583
–It's like, dude, man, when you talk...
841
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:44,457
–And you feel like a person, you know?
842
00:53:44,458 --> 00:53:48,041
But sometimes words, to me, like,
843
00:53:49,125 --> 00:53:51,417
words fall short for me. You know?
844
00:53:52,125 --> 00:53:54,541
–The words aren't enough for you so—
845
00:53:54,542 --> 00:53:57,332
–If another word existed, dude,...
846
00:53:57,333 --> 00:53:59,624
for "I love you", I'd say it, man.
847
00:53:59,625 --> 00:54:04,082
–That's what artists do, invent words in images...
848
00:54:04,083 --> 00:54:06,582
things that can't be expressed, you know?
849
00:54:06,583 --> 00:54:08,082
And those words are the things I do,
850
00:54:08,083 --> 00:54:10,542
the paintings I do
851
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,332
A work...
852
00:54:14,333 --> 00:54:19,124
there are many works created under the influence of alcohol,
853
00:54:19,125 --> 00:54:21,457
such as all of the literature of Edgar Allan Poe
854
00:54:21,458 --> 00:54:25,082
or that of Baudelaire with hash,
855
00:54:25,083 --> 00:54:31,208
It's not good feelings that make great literature or art...
856
00:54:35,583 --> 00:54:41,667
Transgression and art are totally compatible
857
00:54:42,917 --> 00:54:44,041
They even go together.
858
00:54:47,583 --> 00:54:49,165
So if it was under the effects of alcohol,
859
00:54:49,166 --> 00:54:52,165
maybe it was what Emilio needed
860
00:54:52,166 --> 00:54:56,125
to remove those "mathematical pains" from above.
861
00:55:08,125 --> 00:55:12,791
Rainer Maria Rilke - Augusto Rodin
862
00:55:12,792 --> 00:55:16,207
"Many monuments of Rodin, have gone to America
863
00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:21,791
and the most mature of all of them was destroyed
864
00:55:21,792 --> 00:55:23,416
in the occasion of riots in Chile,
865
00:55:23,417 --> 00:55:26,667
even before it was erected;
866
00:55:27,708 --> 00:55:30,792
It was the horseback monument to General Lynch."
867
00:55:31,291 --> 00:55:34,416
Rodin liked this request right away,
868
00:55:34,417 --> 00:55:37,708
because it was the first time that he was confronted
869
00:55:38,125 --> 00:55:40,249
with an equestrian figure;
870
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:43,541
He worked hard in this labor.
871
00:55:43,542 --> 00:55:46,999
The miniature was sent to Chile.
872
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,625
Unfortunately, the Chilean Fine Arts Committee didn't like it.
873
00:56:08,834 --> 00:56:11,833
Rodin has the habit of using
874
00:56:11,834 --> 00:56:14,541
these sculptures that were not finished
875
00:56:14,542 --> 00:56:16,290
to make others,
876
00:56:16,291 --> 00:56:19,165
and Patricio Lynch's horse,
877
00:56:19,166 --> 00:56:21,875
became a centaur.
878
00:56:32,375 --> 00:56:38,666
Like the idea that Rodin has something to do with Chile
879
00:56:38,667 --> 00:56:41,124
So there's no greater classist arrogance,
880
00:56:41,125 --> 00:56:43,833
we are almost like cousins of Rodin.
881
00:56:43,834 --> 00:56:48,290
If there's something that fascinates Chileans,
882
00:56:48,291 --> 00:56:51,999
it's saying, "No, we have something to do with history!"
883
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,165
"We had to do with Rodin,"
884
00:56:54,166 --> 00:56:56,290
"We had to do with Darwin,"
885
00:56:56,291 --> 00:56:59,749
almost like, "If Darwin hadn't seen the Patagonian fox,
886
00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:02,290
he wouldn't have written the evolution theory."
887
00:57:02,291 --> 00:57:07,249
So this is a thing....I understand it because we all have experienced it, me too
888
00:57:07,250 --> 00:57:13,999
I'd love to know that I had an aunt who knew a cousin who knew some random hero,
889
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,833
or that it's possible that some last name came from...
890
00:57:18,834 --> 00:57:22,207
We have it, it has to do with the narration, with our own history, with how
891
00:57:22,208 --> 00:57:24,249
we tell the story to ourselves,
892
00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:28,040
and we are fascinated by the idea of a man like Rodin,
893
00:57:28,041 --> 00:57:33,374
trying to participate in a petty contest of this country that used to be rich,
894
00:57:33,375 --> 00:57:39,666
because of the saltpeter, and sure, why not?
895
00:57:39,667 --> 00:57:43,291
It could have been. The thing is, that we didn't have the vision in that moment.
896
00:57:59,750 --> 00:58:03,791
When did you find out that this robbery didn't correspond to an art action
897
00:58:03,792 --> 00:58:05,834
and how did you felt about that?
898
00:58:07,083 --> 00:58:09,290
I never knew it was an art action.
899
00:58:09,291 --> 00:58:13,749
It was a rumor I've heard from the students and some teachers
900
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:18,999
I saw it as more of an impulsive act, in the moment.
901
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,582
I don't have more information about it.
902
00:58:21,583 --> 00:58:24,082
I understand that there are some texts; which I've never read,
903
00:58:24,083 --> 00:58:26,333
regarding the justification of that "art action".
904
00:58:30,166 --> 00:58:34,166
This text came from the computer of Luis Emilio Onfray
905
00:58:35,834 --> 00:58:38,290
In fact, the district attorney is told
906
00:58:38,291 --> 00:58:42,582
that there is a computer: CPU, tower, etc.
907
00:58:42,583 --> 00:58:46,666
to be confiscated, so that they can investigate
908
00:58:46,667 --> 00:58:51,125
and see that the art action project existed before the hearing.
909
00:58:51,375 --> 00:58:54,582
and we obtained the three documents you well know...
910
00:58:54,583 --> 00:58:56,916
and we obtained the three documents you well know...
911
00:58:56,917 --> 00:58:58,624
and the first file is dated June 10th...
912
00:58:58,625 --> 00:59:01,082
and it refers explicitly to Rodin...
913
00:59:01,083 --> 00:59:03,666
one week before the theft...
914
00:59:03,667 --> 00:59:07,249
One week before he had no way of foreseeing
915
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:08,874
about the lights turn off,
916
00:59:08,875 --> 00:59:10,624
the non-infrarred cameras,
917
00:59:10,625 --> 00:59:13,916
the fact that it wouldn't be guarded,
918
00:59:13,917 --> 00:59:15,249
that no weight sensor was on,
919
00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:18,833
that the gallery wouldn't be locked,
920
00:59:18,834 --> 00:59:20,457
to put it this way, with...
921
00:59:20,458 --> 00:59:26,500
with every conceivable safeguard for an exhibition of that magnitude..
922
00:59:28,166 --> 00:59:30,750
completely absent.
923
00:59:31,417 --> 00:59:33,457
In other words...
924
00:59:33,458 --> 00:59:34,582
"opportunity".
925
00:59:34,583 --> 00:59:36,291
An opportunity, furthermore, enabled by...
926
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:38,417
chance!
927
00:59:44,166 --> 00:59:48,375
Project "Systems of Vulnerability". Luis Emilio Onfray F.
928
00:59:49,667 --> 00:59:55,249
Museum as stroll, comma, transit. Work:
929
00:59:55,250 --> 01:00:01,165
Acquire an sculpture during a period of 14 days (two weeks).
930
01:00:01,166 --> 01:00:09,916
and see what happens (social response, intrigue from the language, the oral...
931
01:00:09,917 --> 01:00:14,124
where), questions of, "why and how did he do it?"
932
01:00:14,125 --> 01:00:16,332
and the importance that it establishes,
933
01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:18,457
specifically the art audience,
934
01:00:18,458 --> 01:00:21,374
and the public that interacts with the sculpture
935
01:00:21,375 --> 01:00:22,707
Three phases of the project:
936
01:00:22,708 --> 01:00:25,082
Violate the vigilant eye, comma,
937
01:00:25,083 --> 01:00:27,207
but without intentions of robbery–
938
01:00:27,208 --> 01:00:31,207
–but without intentions of robbery or theft, or damage.
939
01:00:31,208 --> 01:00:33,499
Just a loan for a limited time.
940
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:37,874
An initial loan, start of the publicity.
941
01:00:37,875 --> 01:00:41,916
It's the start of the unthinkable, the unestablished
942
01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:46,165
Lost of the value as a lesson, desire to represent absence,
943
01:00:46,166 --> 01:00:49,374
Establish the concern as an object of dialogue,
944
01:00:49,375 --> 01:00:53,165
as a non-present representation of the image in the social sphere
945
01:00:53,166 --> 01:00:59,541
Course! (media coverage of the work...
946
01:00:59,542 --> 01:01:03,582
as public)
947
01:01:03,583 --> 01:01:05,249
end of the project, even more public!
948
01:01:05,250 --> 01:01:10,207
They don't know the meaning of established unacceptable conduct,
949
01:01:10,208 --> 01:01:13,833
it's illogical to give more information about such.
950
01:01:13,834 --> 01:01:16,583
Rodin.
951
01:01:17,417 --> 01:01:22,624
as a figure, dash, absent image, comma, that emerges,
952
01:01:22,625 --> 01:01:23,833
comma, as pretext, comma,
953
01:01:23,834 --> 01:01:27,165
The model is always a pretext to derivate in my interests,
954
01:01:27,166 --> 01:01:28,249
that I want to express.
955
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:34,624
Theft: notion of borrowing as a social-artistic
956
01:01:34,625 --> 01:01:36,416
gesture of raising consciousness
957
01:01:36,417 --> 01:01:38,040
and cultural opinion of the work.
958
01:01:38,041 --> 01:01:40,374
Importance:
959
01:01:40,375 --> 01:01:50,082
Loss brings back to the memory what is missing.
960
01:01:50,083 --> 01:01:52,040
This phrase I think– Look,
961
01:01:52,041 --> 01:01:54,916
I read this the other day, a while ago...
962
01:01:54,917 --> 01:01:58,708
The last phrase stayed with me. And everything else too...
963
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:11,458
Loss... brings back... to the memory... what is missing.
964
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:13,792
Let's see.
965
01:02:14,917 --> 01:02:16,040
He wants to represent the absence
966
01:02:16,041 --> 01:02:19,082
like Saint Paul when arrives to the Agora of Athens.
967
01:02:19,083 --> 01:02:22,542
and he finds that there's an empty pedestal
968
01:02:23,333 --> 01:02:26,207
so he would be celebrating the emptiness
969
01:02:26,208 --> 01:02:29,791
with the empty pedestal of that work,
970
01:02:29,792 --> 01:02:35,917
so, some sort of homage to immaterial art.
971
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:41,083
I have a very simple example in mind:
972
01:02:42,208 --> 01:02:45,417
the first mosques built
973
01:02:47,792 --> 01:02:50,666
are attributed to Byzantine artesans
974
01:02:50,667 --> 01:02:53,749
who were used to building churches,
975
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:59,708
in which the walls had alcoves,
976
01:02:59,917 --> 01:03:03,792
alcoves designed to harbor sculptures...
977
01:03:04,041 --> 01:03:06,499
As you know,
978
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:11,541
Islam is a religion that radically rejects imagery...
979
01:03:11,542 --> 01:03:18,457
But the idea of the alcoves in mosques has been preserved.
980
01:03:18,458 --> 01:03:22,082
Today, mosques have an empty space in the direction of Mecca
981
01:03:22,083 --> 01:03:25,416
and which manifests, through absence,
982
01:03:25,417 --> 01:03:28,250
the presence of a God that can't be represented.
983
01:03:32,708 --> 01:03:36,416
It's like when you have someone next to you all the time
984
01:03:36,417 --> 01:03:39,499
and you have it, you have it. You have it, until you lose it, and
985
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,207
just then, you start to appreciate it,
986
01:03:41,208 --> 01:03:45,165
so then it's like, "oh, I should have appreciated it more."
987
01:03:45,166 --> 01:03:46,666
"Why isn't in here?"
988
01:03:46,667 --> 01:03:50,916
"It weighs on me," "I still feel it," "It pains me,"...
989
01:03:50,917 --> 01:03:53,749
It happens to me with my mother.
990
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:56,290
and it happens to all human beings with their loved ones.
991
01:03:56,291 --> 01:03:58,457
one says, "Ah, why I didn't do that?"
992
01:03:58,458 --> 01:04:01,582
and others tell you that when they're not there, they're there,
993
01:04:01,583 --> 01:04:03,124
Because you can talk to them
994
01:04:03,125 --> 01:04:06,040
You remember. You know how they rationalized, you can exchange...
995
01:04:06,041 --> 01:04:09,749
Well, there are many theories about that. And that's okay for philosophy,
996
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:11,833
It's OK for the consciousness, It's OK for the heart.
997
01:04:11,834 --> 01:04:13,749
But it's not okay for the organization of society.
998
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:17,457
That's not acceptable as guideline for the organization of society.
999
01:04:17,458 --> 01:04:19,541
Because it can be done easier:
1000
01:04:19,542 --> 01:04:23,833
You can hide the work, deliberately, so its gone.
1001
01:04:23,834 --> 01:04:25,207
And to feel what happens,
1002
01:04:25,208 --> 01:04:27,834
but to go and steal it? No.
1003
01:04:29,708 --> 01:04:33,333
I don't want to talk about that. Don't mention it.
1004
01:04:34,333 --> 01:04:37,374
Because it's too present in a difficult time of my life,
1005
01:04:37,375 --> 01:04:40,208
that's not related with things but with human beings.
1006
01:04:41,792 --> 01:04:44,582
My husband died a month ago, and I can say he's present,
1007
01:04:44,583 --> 01:04:46,417
but not more present.
1008
01:05:00,291 --> 01:05:05,916
Perhaps I'm saying, very pedantically, something very banal,
1009
01:05:05,917 --> 01:05:08,291
We all know absence creates desire,
1010
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,582
and that many of us...
1011
01:05:12,583 --> 01:05:14,124
are unhappy in love
1012
01:05:14,125 --> 01:05:17,834
when the person leaves us 1,000 km away,
1013
01:05:19,208 --> 01:05:21,250
that when we get slapped
1014
01:05:23,417 --> 01:05:25,500
at least for me.
1015
01:05:38,333 --> 01:05:40,625
My name is Luis Emilio Onfray Fabres.
1016
01:05:45,875 --> 01:05:48,332
...my father was never with me...
1017
01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:49,333
Onfray
1018
01:05:50,166 --> 01:05:52,000
Who is Emilio's father?
1019
01:05:53,291 --> 01:05:56,874
A person...
1020
01:05:56,875 --> 01:05:57,583
I have never seen
1021
01:06:00,458 --> 01:06:02,375
and that...
1022
01:06:04,208 --> 01:06:06,375
doesn't exist to me.
1023
01:06:07,792 --> 01:06:10,375
I don't know if he exists to Emilio
1024
01:06:11,333 --> 01:06:13,583
For me he doesn't exist.
1025
01:06:17,125 --> 01:06:20,707
what I remember about him were...
1026
01:06:20,708 --> 01:06:23,040
good memories too...
1027
01:06:23,041 --> 01:06:27,125
going out and eating hot dogs with juice.
1028
01:06:27,917 --> 01:06:30,208
One time he hit me I remember.
1029
01:06:31,166 --> 01:06:35,207
and I think that the relationship with my mother started to decay, logically,
1030
01:06:35,208 --> 01:06:39,458
until they reach a point of no-return, and well, he went away
1031
01:06:40,208 --> 01:06:42,458
I stopped seeing him when I was 8.
1032
01:06:45,583 --> 01:06:49,332
...every month I went to cash a check.
1033
01:06:49,333 --> 01:06:51,040
That day my mom went with me
1034
01:06:51,041 --> 01:06:55,416
because the check was late in several days,
1035
01:06:55,417 --> 01:06:56,833
So...
1036
01:06:56,834 --> 01:07:00,542
the cashier told us, "This person is dead"
1037
01:07:11,083 --> 01:07:15,500
This is called "I am thirsty and there's no water"
1038
01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:25,333
Emilio, think about it!
1039
01:07:40,375 --> 01:07:42,457
I'm not Onfray. I am not Onfray.
1040
01:07:42,458 --> 01:07:47,040
I don't know, Onfray is a rare last name, is not common.
1041
01:07:47,041 --> 01:07:51,083
My dad is French, my mom is Chilean,
1042
01:07:52,083 --> 01:07:59,707
but I can't give credit as an artist to a person who was never there
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01:07:59,708 --> 01:08:04,707
but I give it to my mom and her family
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01:08:04,708 --> 01:08:06,874
Fabres
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01:08:06,875 --> 01:08:09,166
Emilio Fabres.
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01:08:18,041 --> 01:08:23,125
There is a story about Emilio where he suffered a lot, so double applause please.
1047
01:08:26,207 --> 01:08:30,832
I decided to change my last name when I started showing.
1048
01:08:30,834 --> 01:08:34,290
And then I said, sure "Emilio Fabres" is my name
1049
01:08:34,291 --> 01:08:38,375
it's my gratitude, and I am what I am thanks to the family
1050
01:08:41,542 --> 01:08:47,792
One day, on the evening or during the night maybe, Emilio came.
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01:08:48,625 --> 01:08:52,082
and I started to talk to Emilio about an old thesis
1052
01:08:52,082 --> 01:08:54,165
that has resurfaced nowadays.
1053
01:08:54,166 --> 01:08:57,499
There are papers recently published
1054
01:08:57,500 --> 01:09:00,082
All of our cells, absolutely all of them
1055
01:09:00,082 --> 01:09:04,832
contain a cytoplasmic organelle named mitochondria
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01:09:04,834 --> 01:09:09,624
The feminine zygote, the oocyte 2, has mitochondria,
1057
01:09:09,625 --> 01:09:12,874
and our spermatozoids also have mitochondria,
1058
01:09:12,875 --> 01:09:16,917
but when the spermatozoid comes and inserts itself on the oocyte 2,
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01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:22,291
something makes the mitochondria in the spermatozoid get destroyed.
1060
01:09:24,375 --> 01:09:28,290
This is a fact of incalculable curiosity and value
1061
01:09:28,291 --> 01:09:31,082
because it means that if we look at our cells,
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01:09:31,082 --> 01:09:34,749
we have mitochondria from our mother,
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01:09:34,750 --> 01:09:36,834
whether we're a man or a woman,
1064
01:09:37,082 --> 01:09:41,207
and if we follow genetically the mitochondria of our mothers back in history,
1065
01:09:41,207 --> 01:09:45,375
we are going to find, to put it in words, "the first mother"
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01:09:47,417 --> 01:09:49,874
Of course...
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01:09:49,875 --> 01:09:54,875
Emilio looked at me, with his lost eyes
1068
01:09:55,083 --> 01:09:57,332
and he said to me...
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01:09:57,333 --> 01:09:58,542
"mitochondrial"
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01:09:59,291 --> 01:10:03,457
MITOCHONDRIAL, Emilio Fabres June 3 - 24, 2011
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01:10:03,458 --> 01:10:10,624
Mitochondrial is a work that plays with part of my identity,
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01:10:10,625 --> 01:10:12,125
particularly my family from my mother's side
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01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:16,207
and that is why I made a performance
1074
01:10:16,208 --> 01:10:20,250
in which I appeared with my mothers panties,
1075
01:10:21,333 --> 01:10:25,749
some photos of my grandmother, a nightstand, a very intimate atmosphere,
1076
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:31,040
and in which I shaved most of my body...
1077
01:10:31,041 --> 01:10:33,458
annulling the paternal gene,
1078
01:10:45,333 --> 01:10:50,207
Why do you think Emilio did this extremist work of art?
1079
01:10:50,208 --> 01:10:53,749
I think Emilio did this expression to...
1080
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:55,208
punish his mother.
1081
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,750
To say to her...
1082
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:05,291
that he was existing during all this time
1083
01:11:07,834 --> 01:11:11,458
...without a father
1084
01:11:12,417 --> 01:11:14,749
It can be made to say everything to a biography.
1085
01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:21,458
That is, what you tell me about the loss of a parent and the relationship with the theft...
1086
01:11:23,625 --> 01:11:27,457
I have no doubt that the life of an artist influences his work,
1087
01:11:27,458 --> 01:11:32,249
in the same way that our lives influence what we do day by day
1088
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:40,791
But I would not risk talking about the psychoanalytic interpretation of an act like that
1089
01:11:40,792 --> 01:11:43,834
That seems a little risky to me
1090
01:11:48,667 --> 01:11:52,624
After more than a month of confusion related to the disappearance of the Torso of Adele
1091
01:11:52,625 --> 01:11:57,165
finally perpetrator Luis Onfray Fabres, has a sentence.
1092
01:11:57,166 --> 01:11:59,624
The agreement was made only a few hours before the hearing
1093
01:11:59,625 --> 01:12:03,834
after long conversations between the implicated, with the aim of finding a solution.
1094
01:12:04,041 --> 01:12:09,499
He was an "easy to reintegrate" type of guy, who showed...
1095
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:11,333
genuine regret. I believe.
1096
01:12:12,667 --> 01:12:16,249
I hope these apologies serve to express my genuine repentance
1097
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:20,457
and serve to transmit to others that the cultural heritage,
1098
01:12:20,458 --> 01:12:25,291
Art and institutions that promote it must be protected.
1099
01:12:32,875 --> 01:12:34,165
It could have been many years in jail,
1100
01:12:34,166 --> 01:12:36,707
but the defense and the prosecution agreed
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01:12:36,708 --> 01:12:38,124
an exemplary sentence.
1102
01:12:38,125 --> 01:12:42,542
During one year, the college student should work in the penitentiary's library
1103
01:12:47,333 --> 01:12:51,374
This was the main condition, so to speak,
1104
01:12:51,375 --> 01:12:56,207
and I was not available to accept this in anywhere else but prison
1105
01:12:56,208 --> 01:13:02,000
but in this case the value was not to do "community work in favor of the prisoners"
1106
01:13:02,500 --> 01:13:05,082
It was to put him face-to-face...
1107
01:13:05,083 --> 01:13:06,791
with his next destiny
1108
01:13:06,792 --> 01:13:10,457
in the case that he thought that what he did was not that serious
1109
01:13:10,458 --> 01:13:13,416
and if the idea crossed his mind...
1110
01:13:13,417 --> 01:13:15,749
of another project...
1111
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:16,375
of art.
1112
01:13:20,458 --> 01:13:33,125
After working a year at the penitentiary's library, Luis Emilio Onfray Fabres was indefinitely dismissed.
1113
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:43,708
This shop used to be named "Rembrandt".
1114
01:13:44,667 --> 01:13:47,165
My bosses were going to close it...
1115
01:13:47,166 --> 01:13:50,999
but I wanted to continue in this because I liked it.
1116
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,541
There were no obstacles.
1117
01:13:52,542 --> 01:13:56,582
The next day I was here, with the key in my hand, working,
1118
01:13:56,583 --> 01:14:00,666
but the only thing that they didn't allow me to keep was the name.
1119
01:14:00,667 --> 01:14:02,750
So, I started to look for a new one.
1120
01:14:05,125 --> 01:14:10,416
And it occurred to me because of the robbery that was...in the museum
1121
01:14:10,417 --> 01:14:13,290
When they came here with the exhibition.
1122
01:14:13,291 --> 01:14:15,165
it sounded good to me...
1123
01:14:15,166 --> 01:14:18,083
to keep the R. "Rodin".
1124
01:14:18,625 --> 01:14:21,124
Since June 16th the Torso of Adele hasn't figured
1125
01:14:21,125 --> 01:14:23,291
into the exhibition at the Museum of Fine Arts
1126
01:14:24,667 --> 01:14:26,082
However, the Museum Board
1127
01:14:26,083 --> 01:14:28,999
reinforced the security measures
1128
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,249
-Which is your favorite sculpture?
1129
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:33,082
-"The Kiss"...
1130
01:14:33,083 --> 01:14:35,750
But I'm also curious to see The Torso of Adele as well.
1131
01:14:37,667 --> 01:14:40,499
The Adele. I used it, because...
1132
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:45,541
I took it from what I considered to be a marketing campaign,
1133
01:14:45,542 --> 01:14:48,458
So... I also used it as marketing.
1134
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:50,874
It changed lot...
1135
01:14:50,875 --> 01:14:53,874
before the theft and after it...
1136
01:14:53,875 --> 01:14:54,291
the influx of... of the public.
1137
01:14:54,292 --> 01:14:57,999
And the rows for entrance were packed because people...
1138
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,166
were curious.
1139
01:14:59,750 --> 01:15:02,833
And here in this photo you can appreciate that there are tons of people
1140
01:15:02,834 --> 01:15:06,290
but the funny thing here, what we tried to show...
1141
01:15:06,291 --> 01:15:10,791
that the pedestal where the Torso of Adele was, was empty
1142
01:15:10,792 --> 01:15:14,917
but everyone was saying, "Oh, look, the one that kid stole was here."
1143
01:15:15,417 --> 01:15:19,624
The absence is a strong element,
1144
01:15:19,625 --> 01:15:23,916
and if we go back to the story that I was narrating previously, about the stolen Gioconda
1145
01:15:23,917 --> 01:15:25,499
and if we go back to the story that I was narrating previously, about the stolen Gioconda
1146
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:30,124
There are many images of newspapers in 1911 or 1912
1147
01:15:30,125 --> 01:15:33,749
that only showed the bolts,
1148
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:35,999
where the painting used to be,
1149
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,499
because they bore witness,
1150
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:41,417
in a marvelous way, the absence of a treasured object.
1151
01:15:42,291 --> 01:15:44,833
The phenomenon that you described that happened in Chile, occurred in Paris.
1152
01:15:44,834 --> 01:15:47,541
The phenomenon that you described that happened in Chile, occurred in Paris.
1153
01:15:47,542 --> 01:15:50,999
That is, the visitants came to see the absent Mona Lisa,
1154
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,165
with more than 300,000 visits in 3 months
1155
01:15:54,166 --> 01:15:56,749
Today the exhibit ended, in the Fine Arts Museum,
1156
01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:58,541
of the French sculptor, Rodin.
1157
01:15:58,542 --> 01:16:02,999
This is an historical phenomenon. This is the most visited exposition in Chile.
1158
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,041
"Rodin bids farewell to Chile smashing a record"
1159
01:16:18,291 --> 01:16:23,666
Masterpieces are solely the way in which they're constructed, contemplated,
1160
01:16:23,667 --> 01:16:25,833
invented as masterpieces.
1161
01:16:25,834 --> 01:16:27,208
Because masterpieces don't exist self-contained
1162
01:16:27,458 --> 01:16:32,624
like in the case of the Mona Lisa, that created...
1163
01:16:32,625 --> 01:16:35,916
of a mystique that surrounds a work of art.
1164
01:16:35,917 --> 01:16:37,124
Because, as you know, the Mona Lisa was stolen in 1910.
1165
01:16:37,125 --> 01:16:41,124
And it became the Mona Lisa thanks to the robbery.
1166
01:16:41,125 --> 01:16:44,833
The "Artistic Manifesto" of the Torso of Adele's thief, was accomplished.
1167
01:16:44,834 --> 01:16:48,833
One week after the embarrassing robbery at the Fine Arts Museum,
1168
01:16:48,834 --> 01:16:51,207
Rodin's sculpture is present, while at the same time not being present.
1169
01:16:51,208 --> 01:16:55,708
The lost brings back to the memory what is not there.
1170
01:17:02,542 --> 01:17:04,040
If it was what he proposed...
1171
01:17:04,041 --> 01:17:06,834
he did it.
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