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Tia: I was the first girl,
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and nobody believed me.
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And after that,it continued to happen again...
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(sniffling)
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...And again
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and again.
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♪ ♪
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jovante: We're grown girls,
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but we're still little girls that cry silently.
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If you weren't there,
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you'll never understand it.
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♪ ♪
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(cheering)
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-robert, how do you feel?
-Was it you on the tape?
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-Woman: 14 years old. -Woman 2: I met r. Kelly when I was 14.
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-Woman 3: When I met him, I was 17. -Woman 4: 15.
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A lot of people saw
that pee tape.
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It was circulating
in the streets.
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She was actually 14.
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Odeleye: And he's urinating on her, in her mouth.
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Reporter: Jurors found him not guilty on all charges.
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Odeleye: He was not thought of as guilty,
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even though the evidence was there.
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Toure: After r. Kelly got off trial,
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I do the interview.
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He was very nervous.
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Do you like teenage girls?
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When you say "teenage,"
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h-how old are we talking?
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Stephanie gosk: Singer r. Kelly has denied
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repeated claims
of sexual misconduct,
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but now some of his alleged victims are speaking out
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in a powerful new docuseries.
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Reporter 2: #survivingrkelly was trending
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at number one on twitter during its debut.
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The whole thing was eye-opening,
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painful, sad, disappointing.
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Man, how complicit
we all have been.
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I was extremely moved
by that whole show.
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It was-it was very heavy for me.
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My only question is,
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as we're being so judgmental,
we're not saying,
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"yo, that man is sick.
-That man needs help.
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That man need..."
-nobody gives a (bleep)
about that.
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If that was your daughter, that
(bleep) not sick, he's dead.
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We can talk
about the cycle of abuse,
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but we also have
to talk about accountability
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and the ways in which america has not held
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abusers accountable.
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Within days, kim foxx,
the state attorney,
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-holds a press conference.
-The recent allegations
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against entertainer r. Kelly
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in the recent
lifetime docuseries
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are deeply, deeply disturbing.
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Victims of sexual assault,
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please come forward.
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Two days
after the documentary airs,
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he's celebrating at a nightclub.
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Hey, y'all (bleep) don't know.
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It's my (bleep) birthday,
and I don't give a (bleep)
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-what's going on tonight.
-(cheering)
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odeleye: Rca dropping him from the label.
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Everything in that documentary
was a rehash
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of things they've known for years,
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and everybody rejected it.
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Reporter 3: R. Kelly turned himself in
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to chicago police Friday night.
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He is being charged with ten counts of felony sexual abuse.
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Reporter 4: Prosecutors say three of the four alleged victims
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were underage.
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He's pleaded not guilty.
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Jerhonda:I was a part of a suicide pact.
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If he was to go to jail,
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I was supposed to kill myself.
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Reporter 3: The new charges against kelly came
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after a video surfaced reportedly showing kelly
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having sex with a girl who was 14 years old at the time.
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Derogatis: The trial in 2008 was reduced
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to one girl on one videotape.
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But there always was talk
of other tapes.
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Earlier today,
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we handed over a second
videotape to prosecutors.
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There are multiple tapes, multiple jurisdictions,
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and the victim is cooperating with authorities.
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It's game, set, match.
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-(siren wails)
-faith: At the premiere,
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somebody had called in
a gun threat.
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Asante: People started
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dming me and say,
"count your days."
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timothy savage: His manager threatened
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to kill my whole entire family.
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This is intimidation
and retaliation.
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♪ ♪
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segar: R. Kelly believes
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he can fly
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and that he's untouchable.
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-Woman: Shame on you! -Protestors: Shame on you!
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-Woman: Shame on you! -Shame on you!
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Mute r. Kelly!
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Protestors: Mute r. Kelly!
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Reporter 5: R. Kelly has been arrested
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on sex trafficking charges.
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Man:
Free r. Kelly!
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Anybody who goes against him,
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they go against you.
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Jonjelyn: I think the interview
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with gayle king showed
how he really is.
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You're killing me
with this (bleep)!
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30 years of my career!
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♪ ♪
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-man: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. -R. Kelly: You understand me?
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I got a million (bleep)
hating me
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and 40 billion (bleep)
loving me.
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-Man 2: That's right.
-You know what I'm saying?
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I am handcuffed,
like a lot of you (bleep),
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I'm handcuffed by my destiny.
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♪ ♪
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it's too late. They should've
did this (bleep) 30 years ago.
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It's too late.
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♪ ♪
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(lock buzzes)
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bruce: I know my mama is turning over in her grave.
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I, uh...
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All I care about is my brother.
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I love you, rob.
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Me and robert, we done been through a lot of things
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in our life.
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He's still my brother.
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Robert can't handle this.
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He just can't.
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He can't handle... He can't
handle this kind of stuff.
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Robert is used to hiding
with his music.
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But there's no music
to hide with now.
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He can't get to no music now.
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To come from nothing,
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nothing,
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and achieve world acclaim
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as a status,
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to go full circle,
to come to nothing,
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that's got to be...
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The most horrible thing
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anybody could endure.
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Especially to come from nothing.
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When we moved from the project in the south side of chicago,
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we moved to 463 east 40th st.
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Our entire family
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lived in that one building.
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My mom, grandmother,
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great-grandmother, cousins,
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sister, us brothers--
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all in this one house.
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That address
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was really significant
in all our lives.
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(children chattering)
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carey: Growing up, as kids, robert was timid.
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He was always scared.
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The kids in the neighborhood
didn't know robert.
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They only knew me and bruce,
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um, because we was out there
playing.
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And he didn't come outside.
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He stayed in the house and played with his keyboard.
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Bruce was
the oldest brother, so...
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Bruce was the protector.
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He was always looking out for robert.
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This place is where we could
really remember our childhood,
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where we flourished at.
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We formed a band.
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We kids though. We just kids.
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Carey: Our mama gave us instruments for christmas.
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So, once I picked up the drum set
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and I'm making noise, and my older brother,
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bruce, he start playing
the bass guitar.
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And we was all self-taught.
We never went...
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Took classes
or anything for this.
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And my mama was a great,
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phenomenal singer.
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That's where robert get the voice from.
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The moment that he opened his mouth and sang,
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we all knew that he was special.
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And we're looking at this frail-bodied kid,
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like, "where's that voice coming from?"
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we doing all these songs
and stuff.
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We doing these at school.
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We doing 'em on the back porch.
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And they marveling at us.
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You know?
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That building
where we practiced at--
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there was a man living
on the third floor.
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His name was eli henry.
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He had to be 60-something years old then.
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Carey: Mr. Henry was the neighborhood uncle.
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Everybody loved him
and looked up to him, you know?
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And he used to go to the f...
To the farm.
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He would go out to... Way out
to the farm and get apples
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and oranges and cherries
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and bananas
and things like that
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and bring it back to, you know,
the-the neighborhood and stuff.
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So we just thought
he was a cool old man.
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Nice guy.
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Bruce: And then he started
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buying us stuff.
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You know what I'm saying?
Buying us things and stuff.
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You know, back then,
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I didn't think about it,
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because I was a child.
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There's no demographic
that you can name
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that has not been touched
by sexual violence.
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And people don't realize
that the relationship
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between perpetrator and survivor
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is a-is a tricky one,
oftentimes.
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'cause most people know
their perpetrators, right?
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And so we make a decision
about our personal safety,
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to put our personal safety
in jeopardy
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for the safety of these men.
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There was ugliness,
there was pain,
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there was sexual abuse
in kelly's upbringing,
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starting at age eight
through age 14.
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It was either a friend
of the family or somebody...
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A "play uncle"
is how it was described to me.
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I have empathy.
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I think everybody would.
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In 19 years
of reporting this story
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at the chicago sun-times
and then at buzzfeed
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and then at the new yorker,
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and everybody I've interviewed
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who knows
about sexual abuse says,
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often, the victim becomes
the defender of other victims.
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Most often.
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And, occasionally,
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the victim becomes a victimizer.
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Is that what happened
with kelly?
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Carey: Robert knew mr. Henry
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before me and bruce did.
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And one day, me, bruce and robert,
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we went over his house
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and we sitting there.
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And we said,
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"mr. Henry, why you ain't got...
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You-you gonna put your clothes
on, mr. Henry?"
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he-he was in his-in his,
like, boxers or whatever.
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But when he turned around,
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he had pulled
his-his private part
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out of his underwear
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and was holding it in his hand.
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Me, bruce and robert
ran over each other
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trying to get out the house.
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I'm running, robert grabbing me, pulling me back,
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and I'm grabbing him
pulling him back.
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Bruce grab... We was,
I mean, we literally
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fought for our lives
to get out that house.
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And we could hear mr. Henry,
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"don't tell nobody."
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"don't tell nobody."
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he did identify the man
that abused him.
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He said, I was so afraid
'cause I was so little.
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He would take me out
in the field and he told me,
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"robert, you can't tell anybody.
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Otherwise I'm a cooked goose."
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it was so heartbreaking
because you're hearing
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a grown man speak as if
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he was still six, seven,
eight years old.
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Bruce: One day robert ran home.
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Mr. Henry had robert
come upstairs and he, uh,
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he-he tried some inappropriate
things with robert.
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Okay. My mother called
the police.
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Carey:
The police came through
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and there's a lot of guys
in the neighborhood
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and they end up jumping
mr. Henry, beating him,
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beating him
till blood came everywhere
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until the police got there.
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When the police got there,
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they act like that
they wasn't even there.
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They just turned their back
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and let the guys
finish beating him
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before they took him
off to jail.
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I'll never forget that.
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Mr. Henry bonded out
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and was able to bribe my mom.
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Gave my mom $5,000
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for her not to come to court.
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And she didn't come to court.
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I don't have any ill will
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for my mom because I know
she was struggling, but
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if it had been my child...
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I don't think
no amount of money,
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no amount of money
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would've made me
not prosecute that dude.
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Simple and plain.
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I probably would've
had to prosecute him
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to get him off the streets
so I couldn't get to him.
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You do something like that
to my child.
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For years and years,
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I thought that I was dreaming.
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My brother carey
started saying things,
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and then robert
starts saying things.
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He starts saying things
in his song.
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Um... "I admit."
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♪ I admit a family member touched me ♪
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♪ from a child to the age 14. ♪
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he says I admit that he'd been
touched till he was 14.
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Mr. Henry was like,
that's one thing.
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That's one thing, but...
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There was
some-someone else, too.
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There was someone else.
Um...
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We were kids.
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It was, uh...
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I can't do this.
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Derogatis: I think I'm probably
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the world's foremost scholar
of r. Kelly interviews,
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audio and definitely video.
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I had to be,
in order to figure out
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what he had said and how
he had changed certain stories.
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And, of course, there's
the tavis smiley interview.
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Tavis smiley: At eight or nine years of age, you talk in the book
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about how exposed you were
to sex.
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There were adults
who were coming on to you,
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even when you were a child.
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What'd that do to you,
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to be exposed to sex
at that early age?
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I really think
it's a generational curse.
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Because as I grew up I would ask
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a whole lot of people
that I had met.
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Had they ever been? You know,
and they would say,
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"yeah, as a matter of fact,
I have."
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and, yes,
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I was molested when I was a, uh,
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from seven on to maybe 13,
14 or something like that,
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uh, by people in my family.
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Bruce: Mr. Henry was one thing,
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but...
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There was someone else, too.
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The person that did it is not
that much older than we are.
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Was just a kid herself.
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She was just a kid.
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I was six years old
when it first happened.
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I was six years old.
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And she...
Pushed me down on the bed,
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and, um...
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And-and she start, like...
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Unzipping my pants
and stuff and, um...
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You know, and I'm crying,
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and I'm begging her
to please stop doing that
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because I don't feel right.
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I don't feel right, um...
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And then she climbed
on top of me.
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I would make believe
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that I was somewhere else
playing with my friends
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or I would say I'm at the park.
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Doing things that kids supposed
to be doing at that age.
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You know?
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That was just with me,
but then there would be times
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that she would make robert
stay in the house.
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I remember one time hearing bruce
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and robert talking about girls.
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Bruce said, uh,
"robert, man,
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you ain't, you ain't
never had no girl."
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he said, "uh-huh.
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"uh-huh, and I have."
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and he said it proud.
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I think, I think he enjoyed it.
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You know how a parent be able to tell
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that their child is out there having sex,
363
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'cause they're getting smart at the mouth.
364
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They think they know it all now.
365
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And it happens all of a sudden,
you know?
366
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It's not no thing
that builds up overnight.
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I think it affected him in more ways than we,
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00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:10,054
than we all know.
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The things that happened to me and robert was just
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a surreal situation,
where I felt like,
371
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"oh, my god,
I just want to die."
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robert's sexual life
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and the way that he turned out today to be...
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For a man to molest my brother
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and (bleep) to molest him--
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that changed the game.
377
00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:40,818
I never thought of it
like that until now.
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Sexual abuse
at a really early age,
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especially from a family member,
can be really confusing.
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00:18:52,398 --> 00:18:55,266
This thing that's happening
to me feels good.
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It's happening from
a family member, which is wrong,
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and it's happening
at an early age,
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which I know it's wrong,
but it feels good.
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Someone who struggles with that
type of trauma at an early age
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would be really confused
about what sex is,
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what the rules around sex are, and how should I
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live a sexual life?
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What are the appropriate
boundaries around sex?
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Bruce: We lived there on
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40th street. That place
had a impact on our lives
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so much, robert
named a tour after it.
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60653 tour.
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That's... (stammering)
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wow, I...
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Mm, mm, mm.
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The link between
being a victim
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and being a perpetrator
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can be overstated at times.
There are many people
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that don't go on
to perpetrate sexual violence
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that have experiences
of child sexual abuse.
401
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What we do know is that
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for many people
that are sexual perpetrators
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and sexual abusers,
they do have that experience
404
00:19:59,532 --> 00:20:00,364
in their childhood.
405
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,700
When we look back
into their pasts,
406
00:20:02,735 --> 00:20:05,102
we see moments
where they felt very vulnerable.
407
00:20:05,138 --> 00:20:07,271
They felt helpless.
408
00:20:07,307 --> 00:20:08,940
When you start to peel away
the layers
409
00:20:08,975 --> 00:20:11,442
and start to look at their lives
and how they got here,
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some of their patterns
of control and abuse
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make sense in the context
of what they experienced.
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You think about a child
who was sexually abused
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at an early age,
they've lost all control
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of their own body,
of what happens to them,
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of their own feelings.
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So someone who was abused
at an early age,
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um, can have a lifelong struggle
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of trying to regain control.
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00:20:33,233 --> 00:20:35,733
I remember one time
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00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:37,468
when we was just sitting
in his room talking,
421
00:20:37,503 --> 00:20:39,804
like brothers and...
422
00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:41,672
And he had a, uh,
423
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he had a poster of his self
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on the back of his door.
425
00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:49,413
And the poster was 12 play.
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00:20:49,449 --> 00:20:52,516
The album.
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00:20:53,453 --> 00:20:55,019
And he say,
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00:20:55,054 --> 00:20:58,389
"man, that (bleep) right there--
429
00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:00,625
"he a (bleep).
430
00:21:02,629 --> 00:21:06,230
He powerful, man. He powerful."
431
00:21:06,266 --> 00:21:08,165
I'm, like, "what? W-what
are you talking about?"
432
00:21:08,201 --> 00:21:10,067
he said, "dude, man.
433
00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:11,535
Dude that's on that poster."
434
00:21:12,572 --> 00:21:14,438
I said, "rob, you mean you?
435
00:21:14,474 --> 00:21:17,608
The picture of you?" he said,
"no, man, r. Kelly, man."
436
00:21:17,644 --> 00:21:21,012
he was talking about his self
437
00:21:21,047 --> 00:21:22,280
as if it wasn't him.
438
00:21:22,315 --> 00:21:24,515
I said, "rob, what you mean, man?"
439
00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:26,250
"you know, he, he-he
a whole different person, man."
440
00:21:26,286 --> 00:21:28,419
he say,
"he be making me do (bleep)
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I don't-I don't want to do."
442
00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:32,456
and he was crying
when he saying it.
443
00:21:32,492 --> 00:21:33,891
I'm getting emotional,
444
00:21:33,926 --> 00:21:35,760
because I'm, like,
445
00:21:35,795 --> 00:21:37,595
my brother is really,
really hurting.
446
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,363
He...
(stammers)
447
00:21:39,399 --> 00:21:41,532
now I'm starting
to really look at it, like,
448
00:21:41,567 --> 00:21:45,803
he probably believed that whatever r. Kelly say,
449
00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:46,737
robert has to do.
450
00:21:46,773 --> 00:21:50,308
If there's some truth to this,
of-of this
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00:21:50,343 --> 00:21:53,744
name or whatever
this entity is he's saying
452
00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:56,547
that controls him,
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00:21:56,582 --> 00:21:58,883
beyond his control,
454
00:21:58,918 --> 00:22:01,986
then that's the problem.
455
00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:04,455
There was a pastor,
456
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:06,490
a lady pastor
457
00:22:06,526 --> 00:22:08,726
that robert was in tune with.
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He used to call her
for spiritual advice
459
00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:13,464
and so forth,
460
00:22:13,499 --> 00:22:16,167
and one day,
he called this pastor up
461
00:22:16,202 --> 00:22:17,902
and had this pastor
come to the house.
462
00:22:19,872 --> 00:22:22,573
He told me, "let her in.
463
00:22:23,876 --> 00:22:26,344
"take her to the jacuzzi room
464
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and I'll be there." I said, "okay."
465
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when the pastor came,
I escorted her
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to the jacuzzi room, I called
robert. "pastor's here."
467
00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:37,788
I was getting ready to leave because he wanted
468
00:22:37,824 --> 00:22:40,024
to talk to her. He said, "no, bruce,
469
00:22:40,059 --> 00:22:42,460
I want you to stay."
470
00:22:42,495 --> 00:22:44,962
so, he start crying.
471
00:22:44,997 --> 00:22:47,331
He start crying tears
472
00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:51,001
telling this woman that,
"I have a problem.
473
00:22:51,037 --> 00:22:53,304
I-I look at
those videotapes,"
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00:22:53,339 --> 00:22:55,673
and he was pointing
to the closet with,
475
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it's a-it's a...
It's a closet,
476
00:22:57,410 --> 00:23:01,178
like a walk-in closet
with shelves full of videotapes.
477
00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:03,848
And he was telling the pastor,
478
00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:05,616
"I look at those videotapes
479
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and I... And I (bleep) off."
480
00:23:09,756 --> 00:23:11,989
he was, like...
481
00:23:12,024 --> 00:23:14,191
Asking for help.
482
00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:17,495
Like, "I have a problem."
483
00:23:17,530 --> 00:23:21,031
you know?
I... That's the...
484
00:23:21,067 --> 00:23:24,735
Only time I think that robert...
485
00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:29,173
Admitted that he has a problem.
486
00:23:29,208 --> 00:23:31,909
I think it's a sexual problem.
487
00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:33,844
A sexual addiction.
488
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,313
And...
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00:23:36,349 --> 00:23:39,316
Any type of disease,
of addiction
490
00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:41,652
is only out to do one thing:
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Seek, kill
and destroy everything
492
00:23:44,757 --> 00:23:47,725
that's any good in your life.
493
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,727
That's what it's after.
494
00:23:49,762 --> 00:23:53,397
So, if you don't...
If you don't admit to it
495
00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:55,566
or-or admit
that you have a problem,
496
00:23:55,601 --> 00:23:57,501
that's the road that you're on.
497
00:23:57,537 --> 00:23:59,904
You're on the road
to destruction.
498
00:23:59,939 --> 00:24:02,006
You know?
499
00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:04,175
(sniffles)
I wish I was a...
500
00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:07,578
I wish I could kind of turn back
the hands of time and tell...
501
00:24:07,613 --> 00:24:10,514
A-and pound it into robert
502
00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:13,017
to get help, to get some help,
503
00:24:13,052 --> 00:24:16,353
like he used to pound into me
to get help.
504
00:24:17,457 --> 00:24:19,590
I still love you, bro.
505
00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:21,592
I still love you.
506
00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:24,728
And I'm-I'm gonna
still be there for you.
507
00:24:24,764 --> 00:24:26,730
♪ ♪
508
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I cannot
509
00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:32,369
just lay down and forget
about joanne kelly's son.
510
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Lemieux: There's this renewed public interest
511
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:04,335
in what has been happening.
512
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:06,337
For all the folks that are like,
"we get it now.
513
00:25:06,372 --> 00:25:09,006
We're sorry. We're changing.
We're not listening to him,"
514
00:25:09,041 --> 00:25:10,841
there are still a lot of people
515
00:25:10,877 --> 00:25:12,643
that haven't had
that moment yet.
516
00:25:12,678 --> 00:25:14,144
I don't know
if r. Kelly did it or not.
517
00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:16,146
That ain't my business.
I ain't judging.
518
00:25:16,182 --> 00:25:17,915
But I'm just saying,
those parents
519
00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:19,950
shouldn't have let that
go that far.
520
00:25:19,986 --> 00:25:22,853
K. Michelle: I seen mothers in the kitchen cooking,
521
00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:25,356
managers, people all around.
522
00:25:25,391 --> 00:25:28,125
So you're not gonna put me
back there up in the fire,
523
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,628
to go and be the face, you know,
524
00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:33,364
for some women
who half their parents knew.
525
00:25:33,399 --> 00:25:36,800
There were parents who knew
about these allegations,
526
00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:38,869
and they also were starstruck
527
00:25:38,905 --> 00:25:42,673
to know that their daughter was going to work for r. Kelly
528
00:25:42,708 --> 00:25:44,675
or possibly get a music deal.
529
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:47,711
Hughley: It's not unbelievable that some parents would put
530
00:25:47,747 --> 00:25:48,946
their kids in that situation.
531
00:25:48,981 --> 00:25:50,281
It's not unbelievable at all.
532
00:25:50,316 --> 00:25:51,849
♪ ♪
533
00:25:56,422 --> 00:25:58,822
the blaming of the parents,
to me,
534
00:25:58,858 --> 00:26:02,459
felt a little too facile
and a little too easy.
535
00:26:02,495 --> 00:26:05,796
Um, the fact that people
came on camera
536
00:26:05,831 --> 00:26:09,700
and knew that they could be
judged in that way
537
00:26:09,735 --> 00:26:12,736
and still wanted to tell their
stories to save their children
538
00:26:12,772 --> 00:26:15,172
is something I think that
you have to be credited for.
539
00:26:16,943 --> 00:26:18,909
The parents
of r. Kelly survivors
540
00:26:18,945 --> 00:26:21,745
get the worst of it all,
I believe.
541
00:26:21,781 --> 00:26:25,516
Um, I think that, even people
who very much believe
542
00:26:25,551 --> 00:26:28,052
that r. Kelly is guilty and
should be brought to justice
543
00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:30,354
a lot of times add the addendum:
544
00:26:30,389 --> 00:26:32,189
"and the parents
should go to jail, too."
545
00:26:32,224 --> 00:26:35,993
and the judgment
that they get is horrific.
546
00:26:36,028 --> 00:26:38,996
At the time, of course
they were not making decisions
547
00:26:39,031 --> 00:26:40,864
that they thought meant,
"I'm not gonna see my child
548
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:42,333
"for the next two, three years.
549
00:26:42,368 --> 00:26:44,835
"my child's gonna miss
birthdays and funerals,
550
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:47,905
and is gonna be abused and
exposed to venereal diseases."
551
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,740
of course they were not making
these decisions
552
00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:51,375
with that thought in mind.
553
00:26:59,452 --> 00:27:01,785
Charles: My name is charles rodgers
554
00:27:01,821 --> 00:27:04,355
and this is my wife kelly rodgers,
555
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:08,459
and we're the parents offaith rodgers, who was involved
556
00:27:08,494 --> 00:27:10,494
with mr. R. Kelly.
557
00:27:12,231 --> 00:27:13,764
Norah o'donnell: A woman is suing
558
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,400
singer-songwriter r. Kelly for allegedly
559
00:27:16,435 --> 00:27:18,902
failing to disclose a sexually
transmitted disease.
560
00:27:18,938 --> 00:27:21,238
She also accuses him of sexual battery.
561
00:27:21,273 --> 00:27:23,874
Reporter: Faith rodgers says that she was in a relationship
562
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:25,643
with r. Kelly when she was 19
563
00:27:25,678 --> 00:27:28,345
for nearly a year before leaving.
564
00:27:30,116 --> 00:27:33,917
I wanted to make sure that
I'd done my best as a father,
565
00:27:33,953 --> 00:27:35,919
because I really
didn't have a father.
566
00:27:35,955 --> 00:27:37,454
(indistinct chatter)
567
00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:39,757
however, I did know what was right from wrong.
568
00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:42,226
And, uh, I-I thought
569
00:27:42,261 --> 00:27:44,428
that I-I knew how to teach my children.
570
00:27:44,463 --> 00:27:46,563
Charles (on video):
Faith. Faithy-waithy.
571
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:47,898
You have kids
572
00:27:47,933 --> 00:27:49,500
and-and you love them
573
00:27:49,535 --> 00:27:51,435
and-and, you know,
they're beautiful.
574
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:53,470
Uh, when they're little
and they're babies,
575
00:27:53,506 --> 00:27:54,972
they're pretty, you hold them.
You know...
576
00:27:55,007 --> 00:27:56,440
T-that little girl that I used to rock.
577
00:27:56,475 --> 00:27:58,475
I remember rocking faith and I-I'd have
578
00:27:58,511 --> 00:28:00,177
tears in my eyes because I was so grateful.
579
00:28:00,212 --> 00:28:02,179
She was such a beautiful creation.
580
00:28:02,214 --> 00:28:04,314
Charles:
Faith. You talking
for the camera?
581
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,950
-Kelly rodgers:
Can you say "dada"?
-Charles: I had no idea
582
00:28:06,986 --> 00:28:09,086
that one day, sh...
This would happen to us.
583
00:28:09,121 --> 00:28:11,088
I'm a pastor.
584
00:28:11,123 --> 00:28:15,192
While raising my kids in the beginning, I was very strict.
585
00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:19,129
We didn't allow secular music,
we didn't allow our children
586
00:28:19,165 --> 00:28:23,267
to have girlfriends and
boyfriends in high school.
587
00:28:23,302 --> 00:28:26,303
We just tried
to teach her good,
588
00:28:26,338 --> 00:28:28,839
moral christian values.
589
00:28:28,874 --> 00:28:31,375
The same things that we try
to practice in our lives.
590
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:33,644
Woman:
Wow, you guys are beautiful.
591
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:35,779
Kelly rodgers: We sheltered them,
592
00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:39,016
but in the process
of the sheltering,
593
00:28:39,051 --> 00:28:42,352
I informed my daughters
of everything.
594
00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:44,888
What type of men
to stay away from.
595
00:28:44,924 --> 00:28:48,325
I tell them, "look at your dad.
596
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,327
"look at your dad.
597
00:28:50,362 --> 00:28:54,064
"this is the type of man
you want in your life.
598
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:57,835
"you know, you want a man that's
gonna love you and cherish you
599
00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:01,205
"and honor you and respect you.
600
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,007
"share your dreams
and share your visions.
601
00:29:04,043 --> 00:29:06,410
"not a man
that's gonna control you.
602
00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:09,413
"not a man that's not
gonna allow you to be you
603
00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:12,082
"and-and share, you know,
your-your dreams
604
00:29:12,118 --> 00:29:13,417
and your hopes
and your desires."
605
00:29:13,452 --> 00:29:16,887
I've always taught
my daughters that.
606
00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:18,889
Charles: I remember the night
607
00:29:18,924 --> 00:29:22,226
that faith went to the r. Kelly concert with her sister.
608
00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:24,261
Somebody came out between
a break or something
609
00:29:24,296 --> 00:29:27,264
-and-and offered her, uh,
-her and her sister...
610
00:29:27,299 --> 00:29:30,934
Bracelets and-and were told
mr. Kelly wanted them
611
00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:33,604
to come to the after-party
to meet them.
612
00:29:33,639 --> 00:29:36,373
Of which they did.
Met him backstage.
613
00:29:36,408 --> 00:29:39,009
And once things settled down
and they were about to leave,
614
00:29:39,044 --> 00:29:42,012
somebody slipped
a number to h... To her.
615
00:29:44,416 --> 00:29:47,518
And I remember faith, you know, that night
616
00:29:47,553 --> 00:29:49,386
when she told me
what had happened, and I said,
617
00:29:49,421 --> 00:29:51,255
"don't you dare call him."
and she was like,
618
00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:53,290
"ooh, dad, no,
I would ne... Dad, ew.
619
00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:55,292
-"he's twice your age."
-"that's nasty.
620
00:29:55,327 --> 00:29:57,594
"he's-he's your age," you know,
621
00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:59,897
and t-that was her reaction.
622
00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:03,534
Faith rodgers: I lied to my parents
623
00:30:03,569 --> 00:30:06,970
the whole time that I was
involved with him.
624
00:30:07,006 --> 00:30:09,873
Um... Say I'm going
to a friend's house,
625
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:11,909
really be out of town.
626
00:30:11,944 --> 00:30:15,412
Kelly rodgers: After faith
627
00:30:15,447 --> 00:30:17,948
ended her relationship
with robert kelly,
628
00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:21,552
she begin to tell me, "mom,
I-I need to talk to you and dad
629
00:30:21,587 --> 00:30:23,554
about something
that's very important."
630
00:30:23,589 --> 00:30:27,090
it was hard for her to tell us.
I could see that.
631
00:30:27,126 --> 00:30:30,294
She said she had been
lying to us.
632
00:30:30,329 --> 00:30:33,931
On the weekends when we thought
she was with her girlfriend...
633
00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:36,133
It was unbelievable.
We were-we were shocked.
634
00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:39,803
I was just totally blown away.
I was very angry.
635
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:41,438
-I trusted her.
-Right.
636
00:30:41,473 --> 00:30:43,774
And I believed
that she-she wasn't, uh,
637
00:30:43,809 --> 00:30:45,409
seeing him or hadn't seen him.
638
00:30:45,444 --> 00:30:47,144
Uh, you know, we had no idea.
639
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:51,315
My relationship with r. Kelly
had costed me
640
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:54,017
my confidence, my respect,
641
00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:56,086
my love for myself.
642
00:30:56,121 --> 00:30:59,356
Seeing his personality flip was enough for me.
643
00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:00,691
Just little things like,
644
00:31:00,726 --> 00:31:02,259
"send me a picture
of what you're wearing"
645
00:31:02,294 --> 00:31:04,761
to "tell me where you live,"
646
00:31:04,797 --> 00:31:08,498
to "tell me everywhere you go
outside of where you live,"
647
00:31:08,534 --> 00:31:11,134
to "I want the address
to that place."
648
00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:13,370
it really took a lot out of me.
649
00:31:13,405 --> 00:31:16,807
His energy, at times, it would just be really dark,
650
00:31:16,842 --> 00:31:19,009
to the point where I couldn't even look at him in the eye.
651
00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:21,044
You don't know how to read a person like that.
652
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,680
And you also realize that they're unpredictable.
653
00:31:23,716 --> 00:31:25,515
So you don't want to make them upset,
654
00:31:25,551 --> 00:31:29,620
you don't want to do anything to make them mad.
655
00:31:29,655 --> 00:31:32,656
On may 22, 2018,
when faith rodgers
656
00:31:32,691 --> 00:31:35,626
comes, uh, public, uh,
that she's suing r. Kelly
657
00:31:35,661 --> 00:31:39,396
for, uh, passing on
a sexually transmitted disease,
658
00:31:39,431 --> 00:31:41,632
unlike many of the lawsuits
that I had covered
659
00:31:41,667 --> 00:31:44,968
in the '90s and the 2000s,
660
00:31:45,004 --> 00:31:47,337
this is instant news everywhere.
661
00:31:47,373 --> 00:31:50,974
This is exhausting because
it's another r. Kelly story,
662
00:31:51,010 --> 00:31:52,676
and it's always the same things.
663
00:31:52,711 --> 00:31:56,013
Other news organizations
are taking this seriously.
664
00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:59,182
As with the case of the first
harvey weinstein accusers,
665
00:31:59,218 --> 00:32:03,053
the floodgates kind of opened
and other women come forward.
666
00:32:03,088 --> 00:32:05,555
Kitti jones and asante mcgee
both say
667
00:32:05,591 --> 00:32:07,424
they had relationships
with r. Kelly.
668
00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:10,193
Faith: Prior to the documentary airing,
669
00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:12,696
my attorney gloria allred--
she had received a letter
670
00:32:12,731 --> 00:32:15,699
and it was already
a threatening letter,
671
00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:17,567
and it had pictures of me.
672
00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:19,036
It had said
673
00:32:19,071 --> 00:32:21,571
that I needed to abandon
674
00:32:21,607 --> 00:32:24,841
these heartless efforts of trying to ruin his career.
675
00:32:24,877 --> 00:32:27,511
Um, it said that
he would have ten men
676
00:32:27,546 --> 00:32:31,248
that were gonna come
and talk about my-my sex life
677
00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:33,250
or that they have
had sex with me.
678
00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:35,085
So at that point,
I felt like you were
679
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,788
just trying to manipulate me
680
00:32:37,823 --> 00:32:40,190
and the fact that
you would go that far
681
00:32:40,225 --> 00:32:44,628
and send pictures
to my attorney of me nude,
682
00:32:44,663 --> 00:32:48,098
you just validate everything
I'm saying about you.
683
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:52,536
His version of controlled damage
is damaging other people.
684
00:32:52,571 --> 00:32:57,040
He's trying to fix his image, so
"I'm gonna ruin yours, faith."
685
00:32:57,076 --> 00:32:59,242
reporter: Backed by famed attorney gloria allred,
686
00:32:59,278 --> 00:33:01,945
the 21-year-old unveiled a threatening letter
687
00:33:01,981 --> 00:33:04,381
allegedly written by kelly last October.
688
00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:05,983
Gloria allred: Mr. Kelly appears
689
00:33:06,018 --> 00:33:09,252
to have been engaging
in a campaign
690
00:33:09,288 --> 00:33:12,322
of intimidation and retaliation.
691
00:33:12,358 --> 00:33:16,159
Often in the past,
many victims were fearful
692
00:33:16,195 --> 00:33:19,262
of coming forward
against the powerful.
693
00:33:19,298 --> 00:33:22,499
Now I think we see
a power shift in many cases,
694
00:33:22,534 --> 00:33:25,002
where the person
with the fear...
695
00:33:25,037 --> 00:33:27,604
Is the rapist.
696
00:33:27,639 --> 00:33:31,008
Or the person who sexually
assaulted or abused,
697
00:33:31,043 --> 00:33:33,276
uh, a child.
698
00:33:33,312 --> 00:33:36,279
I had been getting, like,
texts through my mom's phone.
699
00:33:36,315 --> 00:33:38,582
I had changed my number
but I had been getting texts
700
00:33:38,617 --> 00:33:41,985
from a weird chicago n-number
and it was like,
701
00:33:42,021 --> 00:33:44,588
"pull the plug
or you'll be exposed."
702
00:33:47,393 --> 00:33:50,660
there's plenty of history
of threatening witnesses.
703
00:33:50,696 --> 00:33:53,497
First week of January 2001,
704
00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:56,366
the day after I received
the videotape,
705
00:33:56,402 --> 00:33:59,136
someone had shot out
the front porch window.
706
00:33:59,171 --> 00:34:02,172
Two years after that, I got a call at home.
707
00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:05,809
"we know you have
a six-year-old daughter."
708
00:34:05,844 --> 00:34:07,778
someone, I would imagine,
709
00:34:07,813 --> 00:34:09,813
who has some allegiance to him,
710
00:34:09,848 --> 00:34:12,516
uh, if not being him,
711
00:34:12,551 --> 00:34:15,886
they're trying to silence,
uh, these survivors,
712
00:34:15,921 --> 00:34:17,320
these storytellers,
713
00:34:17,356 --> 00:34:19,990
um, this project. Making the threat--
714
00:34:20,025 --> 00:34:22,225
I-it sends a message, right?
It says,
715
00:34:22,261 --> 00:34:24,161
you know,
"I can still control you.
716
00:34:24,196 --> 00:34:26,563
"I can still
change things for you.
717
00:34:26,598 --> 00:34:28,865
I still have power
of your life."
718
00:34:31,336 --> 00:34:34,171
we've had to move
since this-this ordeal.
719
00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:38,341
Charles: We just felt like
720
00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:40,510
-it was in our best interest
to move.
-Safety reasons.
721
00:34:40,546 --> 00:34:43,480
After faith, uh, went public,
722
00:34:43,515 --> 00:34:46,183
we began to, um,
723
00:34:46,218 --> 00:34:48,885
get threats.
724
00:34:48,921 --> 00:34:52,089
Then my wife received
some phone calls and...
725
00:34:52,124 --> 00:34:53,390
He knew our address,
726
00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:55,659
and we end up having to put cameras
727
00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:59,329
just circulating
all around the house.
728
00:34:59,364 --> 00:35:02,666
I remember one of faith's
friends coming to the house
729
00:35:02,701 --> 00:35:06,503
to see faith, and he ran
in the house and he was like,
730
00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:08,371
"they're snapping pictures,
they're snapping pictures.
731
00:35:08,407 --> 00:35:09,840
"they're on the side
of the house
732
00:35:09,875 --> 00:35:13,510
in a all-blacked out car."
733
00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:15,879
and we run outside,
but they drove off.
734
00:35:15,914 --> 00:35:19,816
You know, so you're just...
They're just... You're paranoid.
735
00:35:22,087 --> 00:35:23,753
Kelly rodgers: It's not easy.
736
00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:26,923
-When faith leaves the house...
-You know, it's not easy.
737
00:35:26,959 --> 00:35:28,258
Even with her friends,
738
00:35:28,293 --> 00:35:31,128
we're on total edge.
739
00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:33,363
We can't sleep, we're just,
like, you know,
740
00:35:33,398 --> 00:35:35,398
it's-it's almost torture,
741
00:35:35,434 --> 00:35:37,601
worrying about her.
742
00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:39,870
I can recall when we were
743
00:35:39,905 --> 00:35:42,873
in new york at the premiere.
744
00:35:49,848 --> 00:35:51,081
(indistinct chatter)
745
00:35:55,187 --> 00:35:56,419
lemieux: You know, I had a lot
746
00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:58,755
of anxiety about watching them
747
00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:00,757
watch themselves on camera.
748
00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:04,161
So many of these people
who did speak on camera
749
00:36:04,196 --> 00:36:06,396
are meeting for the first time.
750
00:36:06,431 --> 00:36:09,266
That had to be, uh,
an incredible experience
751
00:36:09,301 --> 00:36:12,335
for all of them, to realize
they'd never been alone,
752
00:36:12,371 --> 00:36:13,637
uh, they'd never connected,
753
00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:15,906
and now they're connecting.
754
00:36:15,941 --> 00:36:18,575
When I met all of the survivors
in December,
755
00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:22,179
none of these ladies
I knew prior to this.
756
00:36:22,214 --> 00:36:25,015
Knowing we shared
some similarities
757
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:27,684
or some similar stories
and just trying to,
758
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,454
I guess, kind of make a connection with everybody.
759
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:34,024
So it starts, and you see me,
760
00:36:34,059 --> 00:36:36,993
and we're, like, oh, you know.
761
00:36:37,029 --> 00:36:40,830
And then you start, we start
listening to robert's story.
762
00:36:40,866 --> 00:36:44,201
And then the mood
really changed.
763
00:36:44,236 --> 00:36:47,304
Lemieux: We're seated, taking all this in,
764
00:36:47,339 --> 00:36:49,306
and one of the organizers
of the event
765
00:36:49,341 --> 00:36:50,941
comes in very calmly and says,
766
00:36:50,976 --> 00:36:53,210
"hey, everyone,
uh, we're so sorry,
767
00:36:53,245 --> 00:36:55,645
"but, unfortunately,
there has been a threat,
768
00:36:55,681 --> 00:36:57,514
and we're gonna have to go."
769
00:36:57,549 --> 00:36:59,482
burke: The producers
770
00:36:59,518 --> 00:37:01,952
and some security personnel
from the venue come in
771
00:37:01,987 --> 00:37:05,622
and tell us that we
have to evacuate immediately.
772
00:37:07,526 --> 00:37:09,593
I was scared for my life.
773
00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:12,529
(siren wails)
774
00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:39,256
somebody had called in
a gun threat.
775
00:37:39,291 --> 00:37:40,790
(siren wails)
776
00:37:40,826 --> 00:37:42,792
in an era of mass shootings,
777
00:37:42,828 --> 00:37:45,629
there's still a level of terror
that you can't help but to fear.
778
00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:48,665
We go outside and-and who are we gonna be met with?
779
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,968
And how far are folks willing
to go to stop these women
780
00:37:52,004 --> 00:37:53,603
from telling their stories?
781
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:54,804
But more than anything,
782
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,340
my heart broke for the survivors.
783
00:37:57,376 --> 00:38:00,010
The tensions were high. People
were arguing and fighting,
784
00:38:00,045 --> 00:38:02,245
and people were,
you know, scared,
785
00:38:02,281 --> 00:38:04,114
and people were trying to figure
out how to get out of there.
786
00:38:04,149 --> 00:38:07,817
It was just a lot of chaos, and immediately,
787
00:38:07,853 --> 00:38:09,586
the first thought that came
to everybody is that
788
00:38:09,621 --> 00:38:10,587
r. Kelly did this.
789
00:38:10,622 --> 00:38:13,590
Lisa: I just made a mad dash to the van.
790
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:18,628
And that's when I knew, like,
something powerful
791
00:38:18,664 --> 00:38:20,597
is in this documentary
792
00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:23,967
and someone's trying to make
sure it's not ever seen.
793
00:38:24,002 --> 00:38:26,002
-Mute r. Kelly.
-Mute r. Kelly.
794
00:38:26,038 --> 00:38:28,004
That's right. That's right.
795
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,674
-Mute r. Kelly.
-All (chanting): Mute r. Kelly!
796
00:38:30,709 --> 00:38:33,677
Mute r. Kelly! Mute r. Kelly!
797
00:38:33,712 --> 00:38:35,979
It might scare a couple
of people. If a couple people
798
00:38:36,014 --> 00:38:37,681
get scared, a couple more people
might get scared.
799
00:38:37,716 --> 00:38:40,317
It was a last-ditch,
800
00:38:40,352 --> 00:38:41,951
um, desperate act
801
00:38:41,987 --> 00:38:43,820
to not have the-the survivors
do any more press,
802
00:38:43,855 --> 00:38:46,323
to kind of just shut it down
when it comes to that
803
00:38:46,358 --> 00:38:48,692
and not have them
supported any further.
804
00:38:48,727 --> 00:38:51,828
I just literally
just started crying.
805
00:38:51,863 --> 00:38:53,697
In my mind,
I'm thinking that lifetime
806
00:38:53,732 --> 00:38:56,633
is not going to air it
because of the threats.
807
00:38:56,668 --> 00:38:59,636
They fear for they safety,
our safety, or whatever.
808
00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:02,806
So I, like, you know, I really,
I just cried so much.
809
00:39:02,841 --> 00:39:04,841
(overlapping chatter)
810
00:39:06,945 --> 00:39:09,546
after we were all, um,
811
00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:13,550
evacuated from the location,
we all went back
812
00:39:13,585 --> 00:39:15,985
to the hotel.
813
00:39:16,021 --> 00:39:18,321
I walked downstairs,
814
00:39:18,357 --> 00:39:21,057
and this young lady is sitting on the couch,
815
00:39:21,093 --> 00:39:22,425
and she goes,
816
00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:26,830
"hello, miss rodgers."
817
00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:29,099
and I said,
"hello, who are you?"
818
00:39:29,134 --> 00:39:33,503
and she said,
"who I am doesn't matter,
819
00:39:33,538 --> 00:39:38,408
"but I want you to know
that I got, um, videos
820
00:39:38,443 --> 00:39:41,277
of your daughter on my phone
with r. Kelly."
821
00:39:41,313 --> 00:39:45,882
and I said, "oh, really?
Well, send them to me."
822
00:39:45,917 --> 00:39:49,853
at this point, my mind is like,
"let me go see where faith is,"
823
00:39:49,888 --> 00:39:54,057
because it was already,
anxiety was high
824
00:39:54,092 --> 00:39:55,725
from being rushed out
of the premiere.
825
00:39:55,761 --> 00:40:00,430
By the time I had gotten to the room,
826
00:40:00,465 --> 00:40:02,265
somebody had already
827
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,235
sent faith a text saying,
828
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:08,471
"I have video of you.
829
00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:10,240
Come meet me."
830
00:40:10,275 --> 00:40:12,976
I was afraid
of the videos and pictures
831
00:40:13,011 --> 00:40:14,377
that he had of me.
832
00:40:14,413 --> 00:40:17,447
So after the premiere,
at the hotel,
833
00:40:17,482 --> 00:40:19,983
I kind of just took matters
into my own hands.
834
00:40:20,018 --> 00:40:22,652
And I'm hearing her on her phone
in there guiding her,
835
00:40:22,687 --> 00:40:24,554
and I'm trying
to keep up with her.
836
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:27,957
And they're telling her, "well, I'm in this car over here.
837
00:40:27,993 --> 00:40:29,392
Come get in this car."
838
00:40:29,428 --> 00:40:30,994
and I'm, like, screaming,
839
00:40:31,029 --> 00:40:33,229
"faith, you're not getting in nobody's car.
840
00:40:33,265 --> 00:40:34,798
"we don't know
who these people are.
841
00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:36,399
"we don't know
what they may have.
842
00:40:36,435 --> 00:40:37,667
"we don't know what's going--
843
00:40:37,702 --> 00:40:39,302
you're not meeting them
in they car."
844
00:40:39,337 --> 00:40:41,604
and, you know,
she's in hysterics. "mom,
845
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,606
I need to see what this video is."
846
00:40:43,642 --> 00:40:44,841
I said, "well,
847
00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:47,277
tell them to meet us
in applebee's."
848
00:40:47,312 --> 00:40:50,814
faith: I ended up sitting down, um,
849
00:40:50,849 --> 00:40:54,818
with this employee,
their security guard, my mom,
850
00:40:54,853 --> 00:40:57,187
and, at the time, I'm not even
think-thinking like,
851
00:40:57,222 --> 00:40:58,855
"this is somebody
who works for him.
852
00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:01,257
Like, you could really
be setting yourself up."
853
00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:03,827
and the gentleman,
he was her bodyguard,
854
00:41:03,862 --> 00:41:07,330
he proceeded to, like,
move his jacket over,
855
00:41:07,365 --> 00:41:09,732
and I could see
that he had a gun.
856
00:41:11,169 --> 00:41:14,103
She wasn't hiding the fact
that she worked for him.
857
00:41:14,139 --> 00:41:17,373
She kind of had, like,
this weird smirk the whole time,
858
00:41:17,409 --> 00:41:19,676
like everything
was a joke to her.
859
00:41:19,711 --> 00:41:23,780
Her only reason for being there,
like she said,
860
00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:26,983
"I'm here to let you know what's
gonna be put out about you."
861
00:41:27,018 --> 00:41:30,019
and she didn't say how or when.
862
00:41:30,055 --> 00:41:32,856
I feared, though,
this whole time being exposed.
863
00:41:32,891 --> 00:41:36,192
Kelly rodgers: This woman, she had content
864
00:41:36,228 --> 00:41:39,028
in her phone with her
and robert kelly.
865
00:41:39,064 --> 00:41:41,865
She proceeded to tell faith,
866
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:45,168
"here's the content, all right?"
867
00:41:45,203 --> 00:41:47,203
and she began to tell faith,
"well, it's gonna air
868
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,073
soon, right?"
869
00:41:50,108 --> 00:41:51,975
faith slid the phone back.
870
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:55,745
Faith's like, "I'm not worried
about that," and she left.
871
00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:58,181
Faith: I'm epileptic.
872
00:41:58,216 --> 00:42:01,351
I have a few triggers that set off my seizures,
873
00:42:01,386 --> 00:42:03,887
but, um, it's really stress.
874
00:42:03,922 --> 00:42:07,090
It's not just, "oh, I'm stressed
out, I'm having a seizure."
875
00:42:07,125 --> 00:42:12,061
it has to be something really,
like, life or death, obviously.
876
00:42:12,097 --> 00:42:16,199
I can't really describe any
emotion I felt at that moment
877
00:42:16,234 --> 00:42:17,901
besides, like, rage.
878
00:42:17,936 --> 00:42:20,270
I was like, "this is (bleep) up,
879
00:42:20,305 --> 00:42:22,939
"but if you're that (bleep) up,
and this is what you got to do,
880
00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:25,275
do what you got to do.
I don't give a (bleep)."
881
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:29,379
it took a lot out of me
that night, uh,
882
00:42:29,414 --> 00:42:32,916
emotionally, phy-physically,
and spiritually.
883
00:42:32,951 --> 00:42:37,554
I took... Yeah, it took
a lot out of me that night.
884
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:40,423
Kelly rodgers: I can recall this woman asking me,
885
00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:44,294
"what do you want
from robert kelly?"
886
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:48,731
and I looked at her
and I told her,
887
00:42:48,767 --> 00:42:50,934
"robert kelly, at this point,
888
00:42:50,969 --> 00:42:53,303
needs to fall off
the face of the earth."
889
00:42:53,338 --> 00:42:56,406
and I walked off, um,
890
00:42:56,441 --> 00:42:58,708
ran behind faith.
891
00:42:58,743 --> 00:43:03,212
By the time she got up
the steps, she had a seizure.
892
00:43:30,976 --> 00:43:32,275
Derogatis: I was reporting
893
00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:34,811
many of these stories
for 19 years.
894
00:43:34,846 --> 00:43:37,780
But the power of television
895
00:43:37,816 --> 00:43:40,950
to make people feel
as if they met these women.
896
00:43:40,986 --> 00:43:43,419
So many of these-these people
who I'd talked to
897
00:43:43,455 --> 00:43:45,455
and I'd had these experiences,
898
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:49,158
but not all of america had,
and now
899
00:43:49,194 --> 00:43:52,462
people were hearing these women
firsthand tell their story.
900
00:43:52,497 --> 00:43:55,932
I think that had
an incredibly powerful impact.
901
00:44:01,873 --> 00:44:04,474
Reporter 1: Surviving r. Kelly was trending at number one
902
00:44:04,509 --> 00:44:06,309
on twitter during its debut.
903
00:44:06,344 --> 00:44:09,012
And this new documentary has
been getting a lot of attention.
904
00:44:09,047 --> 00:44:11,014
I don't think it's appropriate
for anyone to be playing
905
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:13,116
r. Kelly songs anymore.
I think he's cancelled.
906
00:44:13,151 --> 00:44:15,785
It's difficult,
but I think that it is needed.
907
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:17,720
It's saving lives.
It's changing lives.
908
00:44:17,756 --> 00:44:19,522
That's still my father.
909
00:44:19,557 --> 00:44:24,227
Um, it's a very hard situation
to digest and even process.
910
00:44:24,262 --> 00:44:28,064
Reporter 2: Calls to investigate the 52-year-old were reignited.
911
00:44:28,099 --> 00:44:29,966
Whatever justice need to be done
912
00:44:30,001 --> 00:44:31,434
to r. Kelly,
that need to get done.
913
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,509
The world just, like, was shook.
914
00:44:39,544 --> 00:44:41,077
Everybody was calling me
wanting to talk,
915
00:44:41,112 --> 00:44:42,345
and I'm like, "this is not
916
00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:44,414
"a celebration. We just,
917
00:44:44,449 --> 00:44:46,416
"we are exploiting our business,
918
00:44:46,451 --> 00:44:48,051
embarrassing moments."
919
00:44:48,086 --> 00:44:51,154
I think that the documentary
was a perfect storm
920
00:44:51,189 --> 00:44:52,822
because it was time.
921
00:44:52,857 --> 00:44:56,159
These were victims
who got to tell their stories,
922
00:44:56,194 --> 00:44:58,561
and their stories
were so compelling,
923
00:44:58,596 --> 00:45:00,163
and their stories were so alike.
924
00:45:00,198 --> 00:45:03,733
It was the same m.O.
Over and over and over.
925
00:45:03,768 --> 00:45:05,768
These young women spoke
for a lot of people.
926
00:45:05,804 --> 00:45:08,337
If they're the ones who
came forward, can you imagine
927
00:45:08,373 --> 00:45:10,673
how many girls
did not come forward,
928
00:45:10,709 --> 00:45:12,575
but they knew that this went on?
929
00:45:12,610 --> 00:45:15,712
So I think it was
a perfect storm. It was time.
930
00:45:15,747 --> 00:45:17,046
Watching surviving r. Kelly,
931
00:45:17,082 --> 00:45:18,715
I think, made
a lot of people realize
932
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:20,450
that it wasn't just rumors.
933
00:45:20,485 --> 00:45:22,285
In addition, I think what we learned
934
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,887
is that it wasn't r. Kelly acting by himself.
935
00:45:24,923 --> 00:45:28,057
It would be impossible for him
to manage to do everything
936
00:45:28,093 --> 00:45:30,393
that he was doing
with his career without the help
937
00:45:30,428 --> 00:45:33,463
of managers, drivers, security,
938
00:45:33,498 --> 00:45:36,299
people around him,
publicists enabling him.
939
00:45:36,334 --> 00:45:39,969
I feel like it was, like,
that first episode, you know,
940
00:45:40,004 --> 00:45:42,138
I caught it on demand
or something,
941
00:45:42,173 --> 00:45:44,707
and we're watching in the bed,
and I just, you know,
942
00:45:44,743 --> 00:45:46,209
I was getting tight.
943
00:45:46,244 --> 00:45:49,078
I was with aaliyah, so I knew
944
00:45:49,114 --> 00:45:50,880
exactly what went on,
945
00:45:50,915 --> 00:45:54,083
and, you know,
my thing was always
946
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,252
I didn't understand
why it took so long.
947
00:45:56,287 --> 00:45:58,254
He was finally dropped--
948
00:45:58,289 --> 00:45:59,655
without any comment,
949
00:45:59,691 --> 00:46:01,991
without taking any responsibility--
950
00:46:02,026 --> 00:46:03,092
by his label.
951
00:46:03,128 --> 00:46:06,929
Sony has still not commented on, uh, r. Kelly.
952
00:46:06,965 --> 00:46:10,500
They're, however, happy
to continue to sell his records.
953
00:46:10,535 --> 00:46:12,068
The thing that's different
about r. Kelly
954
00:46:12,103 --> 00:46:13,903
is he's actively
doing this stuff.
955
00:46:13,938 --> 00:46:16,239
And so the idea of him
956
00:46:16,274 --> 00:46:18,941
losing his record contract or not h--
957
00:46:18,977 --> 00:46:20,810
you know, people supporting him and playing his music
958
00:46:20,845 --> 00:46:22,512
gives him revenue,
959
00:46:22,547 --> 00:46:26,315
and the more revenue he has,
the more resources he has.
960
00:46:26,351 --> 00:46:28,684
He puts those resources
into doing
961
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:30,987
the things he was doing to these girls, so you can
962
00:46:31,022 --> 00:46:33,456
"step in the name of love"
all you want to,
963
00:46:33,491 --> 00:46:36,826
but you have to do that knowing
that every step you take
964
00:46:36,861 --> 00:46:39,162
puts a dollar
in this man's pocket.
965
00:46:39,197 --> 00:46:41,864
What is he gonna do
with that money?
966
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:44,433
When rca finally came forward in
saying that they were, you know,
967
00:46:44,469 --> 00:46:46,035
basically dropping him
from the label,
968
00:46:46,070 --> 00:46:48,471
that was such a huge moment.
969
00:46:48,506 --> 00:46:50,473
Not only are you taking money out of his pockets,
970
00:46:50,508 --> 00:46:52,208
but you're taking money out of his bodyguard's pockets
971
00:46:52,243 --> 00:46:55,611
and his assistant's pockets, so he was very worried.
972
00:46:55,647 --> 00:46:57,346
When you start messing
with somebody's money,
973
00:46:57,382 --> 00:46:58,314
crazy jumps out.
974
00:46:58,349 --> 00:47:01,551
Mitchell: The surviving r. Kelly
975
00:47:01,586 --> 00:47:05,188
documentary really touched
a nerve
976
00:47:05,223 --> 00:47:07,557
in chicago in a different way.
977
00:47:07,592 --> 00:47:09,792
They saw that he was going down.
978
00:47:09,828 --> 00:47:12,128
That this is not something that he's gonna be able
979
00:47:12,163 --> 00:47:13,563
to sing his way out of.
980
00:47:13,598 --> 00:47:16,332
That this was the story.
981
00:47:16,367 --> 00:47:19,001
Brittany packnett cunningham: There were folks
982
00:47:19,037 --> 00:47:21,904
who ignored these issues before
983
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:24,574
and who could not help but see
984
00:47:24,609 --> 00:47:27,376
exactly what he had been
guilty of this whole time.
985
00:47:27,412 --> 00:47:31,547
On the contrary,
I also saw many black people
986
00:47:31,583 --> 00:47:35,351
decide that this was a targeted
attack against r. Kelly.
987
00:47:35,386 --> 00:47:38,221
That this most vulnerable group,
you know, the survivors,
988
00:47:38,256 --> 00:47:40,857
have to deal with backlash.
989
00:47:40,892 --> 00:47:44,160
And it's just, the fact that
there's anything towards them,
990
00:47:44,195 --> 00:47:47,363
it-it just reminds me
that r. Kelly
991
00:47:47,398 --> 00:47:49,665
is a member
of a protected class.
992
00:47:49,701 --> 00:47:53,236
People started dming me
and say, "b, count your days."
993
00:47:53,271 --> 00:47:57,940
I moved out of illinois because
they tried to physically harm me
994
00:47:57,976 --> 00:47:59,575
twice at orland mall.
995
00:47:59,611 --> 00:48:01,577
One of the cashiers
recognized me
996
00:48:01,613 --> 00:48:03,746
and she started
asking me questions,
997
00:48:03,781 --> 00:48:05,748
and somebody that was
standing in line behind me
998
00:48:05,783 --> 00:48:07,950
started getting mad
and was like, "so this the bitch
999
00:48:07,986 --> 00:48:09,886
from the docu?
This the sherhonda bitch?"
1000
00:48:09,921 --> 00:48:13,456
there was two other girls with her,
1001
00:48:13,491 --> 00:48:14,757
and they was like,
"yeah, we're about to beat
1002
00:48:14,792 --> 00:48:17,393
this bitch ass
in the parking lot."
1003
00:48:17,428 --> 00:48:18,861
when they left,
me and my daughters,
1004
00:48:18,897 --> 00:48:20,396
we went back
to the other side of the store
1005
00:48:20,431 --> 00:48:22,198
and we went out the other doors.
1006
00:48:22,233 --> 00:48:25,034
And I just loaded them up
very quickly and we left.
1007
00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:29,038
Faith: It definitely was, like, a lot of just
1008
00:48:29,073 --> 00:48:33,042
nasty... All type of hate.
1009
00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:35,544
Hate-texting, phone calls.
1010
00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:38,114
Uh, I had to change my number.
1011
00:48:38,149 --> 00:48:40,216
To put yourself out there
1012
00:48:40,251 --> 00:48:46,088
and then to be mistreated
and bullied and called a liar...
1013
00:48:46,124 --> 00:48:49,325
How could people be so cruel?
You have all of this evidence.
1014
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,828
You see all of this stuff
dated back to the '90s,
1015
00:48:52,864 --> 00:48:56,899
and you want to attack me
and tell me all of this?
1016
00:48:56,935 --> 00:48:58,801
I shut down.
I didn't want to leave my house.
1017
00:48:58,836 --> 00:49:02,171
I didn't want to do anything.
I just, I just wanted to sleep.
1018
00:49:02,206 --> 00:49:04,173
It-- sleep everything away
and just hope
1019
00:49:04,208 --> 00:49:06,909
that it would be a different
outcome when I woke up,
1020
00:49:06,945 --> 00:49:08,110
and it wasn't.
1021
00:49:08,146 --> 00:49:09,512
It didn't stop.
1022
00:49:09,547 --> 00:49:12,815
It hasn't stopped.
1023
00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:16,619
Too often in our society and
in culture, we blame the victim.
1024
00:49:16,654 --> 00:49:19,121
And we look to them and we say, "but why didn't she do x"
1025
00:49:19,157 --> 00:49:20,656
or "why didn't she do y?"
1026
00:49:20,692 --> 00:49:21,991
rather than, "why's he doing x?"
1027
00:49:22,026 --> 00:49:24,427
and "why's he doing y?"
1028
00:49:24,462 --> 00:49:27,630
and we drop him-- normally--
out of the conversation
1029
00:49:27,665 --> 00:49:29,699
and we focus on our attention
on the victim.
1030
00:49:29,734 --> 00:49:32,969
Faith: The first three months after the documentary,
1031
00:49:33,004 --> 00:49:35,371
I gained, like, 30 pounds.
1032
00:49:35,406 --> 00:49:37,640
Like, I was stress eating.
1033
00:49:37,675 --> 00:49:39,542
I had days, like,
probably the worst days,
1034
00:49:39,577 --> 00:49:42,044
where I was just looking
at the phone, like,
1035
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:47,817
"everything they think about me
must be true, because...
1036
00:49:47,852 --> 00:49:50,820
Look at me."
1037
00:49:50,855 --> 00:49:53,155
I felt like nothing.
1038
00:49:53,191 --> 00:49:54,790
I wasn't known as faith anymore.
1039
00:49:54,826 --> 00:49:58,694
I'm known as the girl
who slept with r. Kelly.
1040
00:50:01,866 --> 00:50:05,334
It can be devastating
and disappointing to us
1041
00:50:05,370 --> 00:50:08,971
to learn something about
somebody we care about
1042
00:50:09,007 --> 00:50:12,875
that is so disconnected with how we see them.
1043
00:50:12,910 --> 00:50:15,478
What becomes problematic is that instead of
1044
00:50:15,513 --> 00:50:16,979
sitting with that discomfort,
1045
00:50:17,015 --> 00:50:21,817
we deny, we don't believe
people's accounts,
1046
00:50:21,853 --> 00:50:24,420
no matter how much evidence
is accumulating,
1047
00:50:24,455 --> 00:50:26,422
because it disagrees
1048
00:50:26,457 --> 00:50:30,359
with a preset notion
that we have created.
1049
00:50:30,395 --> 00:50:31,994
(chanting):
Lifetime is lying!
1050
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:33,195
Woman (chanting):
Women lie, too!
1051
00:50:33,231 --> 00:50:34,730
Man:
Women lie, too!
1052
00:50:34,766 --> 00:50:37,233
-Woman: Women lie, too!
-Women lie, too!
1053
00:50:37,268 --> 00:50:38,868
Angelo clary: So now it ain't a thing
1054
00:50:38,903 --> 00:50:41,504
of what the crime is,
it's a thing of,
1055
00:50:41,539 --> 00:50:42,905
"you're saying something
about r. Kelly,
1056
00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:44,807
so we're gonna say
ten things about you."
1057
00:50:46,978 --> 00:50:51,380
r. Kelly has a team that, they are ordered by him
1058
00:50:51,416 --> 00:50:55,284
to destroy whoever
is fighting against him.
1059
00:50:55,319 --> 00:50:58,921
I've never, ever, ever been
in a situation like this.
1060
00:50:58,956 --> 00:51:01,557
Anything to destroy
your credibility,
1061
00:51:01,592 --> 00:51:03,592
this is what they do.
1062
00:51:03,628 --> 00:51:05,961
Hi, I'm, uh,
lindsey perryman-dunn,
1063
00:51:05,997 --> 00:51:07,463
and I worked for r. Kelly
1064
00:51:07,498 --> 00:51:11,300
between the years 1999 and 2007.
1065
00:51:11,335 --> 00:51:13,702
I started out
as his studio manager.
1066
00:51:13,738 --> 00:51:17,106
Moved up to personal assistant and then his general manager.
1067
00:51:17,141 --> 00:51:19,542
The women that I saw
in the docuseries
1068
00:51:19,577 --> 00:51:22,545
were the type of women
that robert would've picked.
1069
00:51:24,115 --> 00:51:25,481
And you know what they're upset about?
1070
00:51:25,516 --> 00:51:27,049
It's that they didn't get
1071
00:51:27,085 --> 00:51:28,717
the limelight until they were
1072
00:51:28,753 --> 00:51:31,720
on lifetime television.
1073
00:51:31,756 --> 00:51:34,824
During my working position
with robert over eight years,
1074
00:51:34,859 --> 00:51:37,426
we brought on my sister for about a year.
1075
00:51:37,462 --> 00:51:39,628
Jen emrich: When the docuseries aired,
1076
00:51:39,664 --> 00:51:43,099
nobody wanted to listen to me
and-- unless I, uh,
1077
00:51:43,134 --> 00:51:45,067
unless I said something bad
about r. Kelly
1078
00:51:45,103 --> 00:51:46,669
'cause that's
the popular thing to do.
1079
00:51:46,704 --> 00:51:50,306
What worked was, for me,
to go onto social media
1080
00:51:50,341 --> 00:51:52,308
and use the hashtags.
1081
00:51:52,343 --> 00:51:56,946
#rkelly. #unmuterkelly.
1082
00:51:56,981 --> 00:52:00,416
#rkellz, with a "z."
1083
00:52:00,451 --> 00:52:03,018
it started a whole movement.
1084
00:52:03,054 --> 00:52:04,453
It worked. Thank god.
1085
00:52:04,489 --> 00:52:05,955
It worked. It did, it worked.
1086
00:52:06,991 --> 00:52:09,024
Kelly rodgers: After
1087
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:13,329
we were in new york
at the premiere,
1088
00:52:13,364 --> 00:52:19,034
robert kelly's people began
to expose women one by one.
1089
00:52:19,070 --> 00:52:21,871
Then they stated, "faith rodgers
1090
00:52:21,906 --> 00:52:23,472
is gonna be next."
1091
00:52:23,508 --> 00:52:25,107
and I can recall
1092
00:52:25,143 --> 00:52:28,110
my daughter jada at school,
calling me from school,
1093
00:52:28,146 --> 00:52:29,612
just hysterical...
1094
00:52:33,718 --> 00:52:36,685
...That it was actual pictures
up on the social media
1095
00:52:36,721 --> 00:52:39,455
about her sister.
1096
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:07,816
I can recall when we were
in new york at the premiere.
1097
00:53:09,053 --> 00:53:10,920
Robert kelly's people began
1098
00:53:10,955 --> 00:53:13,756
to expose women one by one.
1099
00:53:13,791 --> 00:53:18,894
One day, they began to say,
"I'm-a expose asante mcgee."
1100
00:53:20,097 --> 00:53:23,599
they put information about her.
1101
00:53:23,634 --> 00:53:27,403
The next day it was information
up about jerhonda pace.
1102
00:53:29,574 --> 00:53:31,207
Then they stated,
1103
00:53:31,242 --> 00:53:33,776
"faith rodgers
is gonna be next."
1104
00:53:33,811 --> 00:53:39,048
and I can recall my daughter jada calling me from school,
1105
00:53:39,083 --> 00:53:41,483
just hysterical...
1106
00:53:44,956 --> 00:53:47,756
...That it was actual pictures
up on the social media
1107
00:53:47,792 --> 00:53:50,492
about her sister.
1108
00:53:53,631 --> 00:53:55,364
Faith: Two hours after the documentary aired,
1109
00:53:55,399 --> 00:53:57,533
there was a facebook page,
1110
00:53:57,568 --> 00:53:59,101
um, there was an instagram page,
1111
00:53:59,136 --> 00:54:03,505
and they were full
of my nude pictures.
1112
00:54:07,111 --> 00:54:08,944
Asante: They putting everybody on blast,
1113
00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:12,114
and of course, who name's
comes up? Asante mcgee.
1114
00:54:12,149 --> 00:54:14,984
They pull out my mugshots. Yes, I was arrested.
1115
00:54:15,019 --> 00:54:16,552
I was not convicted.
1116
00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:19,288
It's like, they trying
to bring me to the point
1117
00:54:19,323 --> 00:54:21,657
where they just waiting
to get that news and say,
1118
00:54:21,692 --> 00:54:24,493
"survivor asante mcgee
is dead from suicide."
1119
00:54:24,528 --> 00:54:29,565
I feel like that's where they want me at.
1120
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,967
Faith: It was a whole page that was created.
1121
00:54:32,003 --> 00:54:33,802
It wasn't just harmful
towards me.
1122
00:54:33,838 --> 00:54:37,573
It was towards everybody who was
involved in the documentary.
1123
00:54:39,176 --> 00:54:41,143
Jen emrich: Surviving lies.
1124
00:54:41,178 --> 00:54:44,813
As far as being part of that,
I certainly coached rob
1125
00:54:44,849 --> 00:54:47,416
to speak out because rob
is not a fighter.
1126
00:54:47,451 --> 00:54:49,752
And so that's why
this has gone so far.
1127
00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:54,323
I do not know personally who put surviving lies together,
1128
00:54:54,358 --> 00:54:56,825
but I am aware
of surviving lies.
1129
00:54:56,861 --> 00:54:59,628
And I definitely support that.
(laughs)
1130
00:54:59,664 --> 00:55:04,700
I feel that a victim
of any crime needs to call 911.
1131
00:55:04,735 --> 00:55:08,203
If you are,
have been raped or victimized,
1132
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,340
you need to go to the
emergency room immediately.
1133
00:55:11,375 --> 00:55:14,643
You need to seek medical help,
you need to see a psychologist,
1134
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:16,712
you need to get
an attorney involved.
1135
00:55:16,747 --> 00:55:19,214
You need to sue,
you need to take l-legal action.
1136
00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:21,950
I believe
in the american justice system.
1137
00:55:21,986 --> 00:55:25,154
I do not believe
in the justice system
1138
00:55:25,189 --> 00:55:26,522
that's going on right now,
which is just
1139
00:55:26,557 --> 00:55:28,524
the public justice system.
1140
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:31,026
Right now, the public is prosecuting r. Kelly.
1141
00:55:31,062 --> 00:55:33,529
Not the police.
1142
00:55:33,564 --> 00:55:36,031
Sitting here today
with the new accusations,
1143
00:55:36,067 --> 00:55:38,233
I don't believe them.
1144
00:55:38,269 --> 00:55:40,869
And I don't believe
that I was a part of anything
1145
00:55:40,905 --> 00:55:44,073
that had to do with pedophilia.
1146
00:55:44,108 --> 00:55:49,078
Cunningham: "what were you wearing that r. Kelly was attracted to?"
1147
00:55:49,113 --> 00:55:52,448
"why did you present yourself as older than you were?"
1148
00:55:54,418 --> 00:55:58,253
"why did your parents put you in this position?"
1149
00:55:58,289 --> 00:56:01,056
not only were we not talking about it enough,
1150
00:56:01,092 --> 00:56:03,092
in the times that we were talking about it,
1151
00:56:03,127 --> 00:56:04,860
we were doing all of these
things to put young women
1152
00:56:04,895 --> 00:56:08,097
on trial instead of the person
who actually abused them.
1153
00:56:08,132 --> 00:56:12,534
Faith: Day one of going public was the worst feeling.
1154
00:56:12,570 --> 00:56:14,870
Day one of having
my nude pictures,
1155
00:56:14,905 --> 00:56:16,705
probably is, like, second worst.
1156
00:56:16,741 --> 00:56:20,609
So that was a crazy experience.
1157
00:56:20,644 --> 00:56:22,444
Charles: All this involving r. Kelly
1158
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,383
has affected faith
in a major way.
1159
00:56:27,418 --> 00:56:29,418
We never saw her depressed,
1160
00:56:29,453 --> 00:56:31,787
where now we do see her depressed.
1161
00:56:31,822 --> 00:56:33,589
She's been in therapy.
1162
00:56:33,624 --> 00:56:35,424
She never was moody.
1163
00:56:35,459 --> 00:56:37,493
Now she's moody.
1164
00:56:39,630 --> 00:56:44,032
My relationship
with my dad is... It's good.
1165
00:56:44,068 --> 00:56:46,702
Sometimes I still feel,
like, sorry.
1166
00:56:46,737 --> 00:56:50,606
I still, I guess I'm just
still embarrassed.
1167
00:56:50,641 --> 00:56:52,608
I don't want him
to be ashamed of me.
1168
00:56:54,178 --> 00:56:56,612
I think my parents, naturally, they say
1169
00:56:56,647 --> 00:56:59,281
that they're proud and they stand behind me, but, uh,
1170
00:56:59,316 --> 00:57:00,549
sometimes I don't feel that way.
1171
00:57:00,584 --> 00:57:02,818
I feel like an embarrassment
to them.
1172
00:57:02,853 --> 00:57:06,255
I definitely, I've stopped
going to church a lot.
1173
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:09,091
I don't go to family events
and stuff as much.
1174
00:57:09,126 --> 00:57:12,995
I kind of just, I think our
relationship could be better,
1175
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:17,132
but I think I'm just dealing
with a lot right now, of after.
1176
00:57:24,608 --> 00:57:26,975
Kitti: I felt literally ill
1177
00:57:27,011 --> 00:57:29,411
having sex with him when I knew
1178
00:57:29,447 --> 00:57:31,447
that there were
fetishes involved.
1179
00:57:31,482 --> 00:57:33,348
Timothy: We have to fight this fight.
1180
00:57:33,384 --> 00:57:36,185
Not playing checkers,
but playing chess.
1181
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:39,655
Lizzette: Robert can smell a wounded woman
1182
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:41,089
a mile away.
1183
00:57:42,526 --> 00:57:44,493
Odeleye: This has been going on
1184
00:57:44,528 --> 00:57:46,028
for close to 30 years now
1185
00:57:46,063 --> 00:57:48,130
because of silence.
1186
00:57:48,165 --> 00:57:49,264
Asante: He's always felt that he was
1187
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:51,300
above everything and everybody.
1188
00:57:51,335 --> 00:57:53,101
That he was untouchable.
1189
00:57:53,137 --> 00:57:56,338
R. Kelly, let my sister go.
1190
00:57:56,373 --> 00:57:58,941
Jerhonda: If he was to go to jail,
1191
00:57:58,976 --> 00:58:00,476
I was supposed to kill myself.
1192
00:58:00,511 --> 00:58:02,945
She texted me probably 50 times.
1193
00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:04,680
"I got to go, I got to go, I got to go."
1194
00:58:04,715 --> 00:58:06,949
-she says she's not here.
-Michelle: Only question
1195
00:58:06,984 --> 00:58:08,550
I wanted to know was the why.
1196
00:58:08,586 --> 00:58:09,852
Why did you stay for so long?
1197
00:58:09,887 --> 00:58:10,853
Lanita: The whole block
1198
00:58:10,888 --> 00:58:12,287
filled up with police cars.
1199
00:58:12,323 --> 00:58:14,122
Woman: Obey him.
1200
00:58:14,158 --> 00:58:15,491
Follow his rules.
1201
00:58:15,526 --> 00:58:19,461
And when you go against him,
1202
00:58:19,497 --> 00:58:22,130
...You're the enemy, and he's gonna treat you like that.
1203
00:58:22,166 --> 00:58:24,600
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