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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,887 --> 00:00:13,472 It's impossible to overstate 2 00:00:13,555 --> 00:00:16,892 the sense of fascination with 3 00:00:16,975 --> 00:00:18,018 jfk Jr. 4 00:00:18,101 --> 00:00:19,144 He was absolutely unique. 5 00:00:19,228 --> 00:00:21,230 He was the son of a slain president. 6 00:00:21,313 --> 00:00:23,649 And he grew up into being an 7 00:00:23,732 --> 00:00:25,692 incredibly good-looking, 8 00:00:25,776 --> 00:00:28,487 handsome, attractive young man. 9 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:30,322 And Carolyn bessette, with her 10 00:00:30,405 --> 00:00:33,575 kind of mysterious, elegant, 11 00:00:33,659 --> 00:00:35,911 glamorous quality, was 12 00:00:35,994 --> 00:00:37,329 absolutely emblematic of that 13 00:00:37,412 --> 00:00:38,163 1990s cool. 14 00:00:38,247 --> 00:00:41,041 But she's not famous. 15 00:00:41,124 --> 00:00:42,918 When John F. Kennedy Jr. ended 16 00:00:43,001 --> 00:00:44,670 up in this relationship with 17 00:00:44,753 --> 00:00:45,897 Carolyn bessette, it was natural 18 00:00:45,921 --> 00:00:51,593 people were fascinated. 19 00:00:51,677 --> 00:00:54,763 I think "love story" is about 20 00:00:54,846 --> 00:00:56,682 the lives that Carolyn bessette 21 00:00:56,765 --> 00:00:58,433 and John F. Kennedy Jr. led 22 00:00:58,517 --> 00:01:00,018 before they met each other. 23 00:01:00,519 --> 00:01:03,146 Their meeting and their budding romance. 24 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:04,773 Their relationship with the 25 00:01:04,982 --> 00:01:08,026 public, paparazzi, tabloid 26 00:01:08,110 --> 00:01:10,112 culture and how that brings them 27 00:01:10,195 --> 00:01:11,195 together. 28 00:01:12,489 --> 00:01:14,533 They represent American 29 00:01:14,616 --> 00:01:15,616 glamor. 30 00:01:17,786 --> 00:01:20,372 Carolyn was more beautiful in 31 00:01:20,455 --> 00:01:21,599 person than she was in photographs. 32 00:01:21,623 --> 00:01:22,457 She had a magic. 33 00:01:22,541 --> 00:01:23,458 Her. 34 00:01:23,542 --> 00:01:25,127 It was everything from the way 35 00:01:25,210 --> 00:01:28,171 she moved to the way she engaged 36 00:01:28,255 --> 00:01:30,382 to the way, when you talked to 37 00:01:30,465 --> 00:01:32,968 her, she owned you. 38 00:01:33,051 --> 00:01:34,970 She was just so much fun. 39 00:01:35,053 --> 00:01:37,139 She was very playful, very 40 00:01:37,222 --> 00:01:38,283 impulsive, very affectionate. 41 00:01:38,307 --> 00:01:39,850 There was a lot of touching, you 42 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:40,726 know. 43 00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:41,911 It took me awhile to get used to 44 00:01:41,935 --> 00:01:43,061 all the hugging and 45 00:01:43,145 --> 00:01:44,604 hand-holding. 46 00:01:45,814 --> 00:01:46,732 You know, I was thinking the 47 00:01:46,815 --> 00:01:51,486 other day... that trip we took 48 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:52,904 to Honduras... 49 00:01:52,988 --> 00:01:54,531 I think the biggest thing for 50 00:01:54,614 --> 00:01:56,325 me initially was getting to 51 00:01:56,408 --> 00:01:58,910 illustrate the woman that she 52 00:01:58,994 --> 00:02:00,746 was, especially the driven, 53 00:02:00,829 --> 00:02:01,663 intelligent woman that she was 54 00:02:01,747 --> 00:02:03,915 and the life that she had before 55 00:02:03,999 --> 00:02:08,754 she met John and entered into 56 00:02:08,837 --> 00:02:10,005 this whirlwind. 57 00:02:10,088 --> 00:02:12,257 John grew up with the media. 58 00:02:12,341 --> 00:02:13,175 He was born to it. 59 00:02:13,258 --> 00:02:14,009 Second nature for him. 60 00:02:14,092 --> 00:02:15,427 But for her, it wasn't. 61 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:17,012 She had a really difficult time 62 00:02:17,095 --> 00:02:18,847 adjusting to the meanness, the 63 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:20,290 viciousness of the media attention. 64 00:02:20,349 --> 00:02:21,600 That became a real source of 65 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:22,517 tension in the relationship. 66 00:02:22,601 --> 00:02:24,436 Well, I think a lot of people 67 00:02:24,519 --> 00:02:28,190 who are that beautiful get 68 00:02:28,273 --> 00:02:31,443 judged for being something just because they're so 69 00:02:31,526 --> 00:02:33,820 spectacular-looking. 70 00:02:35,447 --> 00:02:36,674 I think they kind of thought of 71 00:02:36,698 --> 00:02:38,241 her the same way people thought 72 00:02:38,325 --> 00:02:40,369 of grace Kelly in the 1950s, 73 00:02:40,452 --> 00:02:41,745 that she was sort of an ice 74 00:02:41,828 --> 00:02:43,997 Princess or this forbidding, you 75 00:02:44,081 --> 00:02:45,457 know, goddess type. 76 00:02:45,916 --> 00:02:47,709 And she Kent have been further from that. 77 00:02:51,755 --> 00:02:53,173 In 1966, Carolyn bessette is 78 00:02:53,256 --> 00:02:54,966 born in white plains, which is a 79 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:56,385 suburb north of Manhattan. 80 00:02:56,468 --> 00:02:57,928 She was the youngest of three girls. 81 00:02:58,011 --> 00:02:59,429 Her mother was a schoolteacher. 82 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:01,473 After her parents divorced, she 83 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:02,909 moved to greenwich, Connecticut, 84 00:03:02,933 --> 00:03:04,226 where her mother had remarried 85 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:05,394 an orthopedic surgeon. 86 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,731 She goes to a catholic high 87 00:03:09,815 --> 00:03:11,400 school called St. Mary's where 88 00:03:11,483 --> 00:03:13,068 she is a very popular young girl. 89 00:03:13,151 --> 00:03:14,236 At her graduation from high 90 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:15,946 school, she is named as the 91 00:03:16,029 --> 00:03:18,365 ultimate beautiful person in the yearbook. 92 00:03:18,824 --> 00:03:20,325 She's seen as something of an it 93 00:03:20,409 --> 00:03:21,469 girl and a popular girl in the 94 00:03:21,493 --> 00:03:22,493 community. 95 00:03:22,744 --> 00:03:24,496 She went to Boston 96 00:03:24,579 --> 00:03:26,015 university, where she studied education. 97 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:27,100 And I think for a while, she 98 00:03:27,124 --> 00:03:28,583 wanted to be a teacher. 99 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:29,685 As evidence of her popularity 100 00:03:29,709 --> 00:03:31,878 at Boston university, Carolyn 101 00:03:31,962 --> 00:03:34,297 bessette dates Alessandro 102 00:03:34,381 --> 00:03:35,966 benetton, the son of the 103 00:03:36,049 --> 00:03:36,883 benetton fashion empire, which 104 00:03:36,967 --> 00:03:38,635 was very, very popular in the 105 00:03:38,718 --> 00:03:39,553 '80s and '90s. 106 00:03:39,636 --> 00:03:41,471 This is a charismatic young 107 00:03:41,555 --> 00:03:43,348 woman that people want to be 108 00:03:43,432 --> 00:03:44,307 around, and she's finding that 109 00:03:44,391 --> 00:03:46,309 she is drawing a larger and 110 00:03:46,393 --> 00:03:49,646 larger crowd of people from, you 111 00:03:49,729 --> 00:03:50,939 know, definite wealth and 112 00:03:51,022 --> 00:03:52,566 prominence, and she enjoys it. 113 00:03:52,816 --> 00:03:55,402 I think that Caroline had 114 00:03:55,485 --> 00:03:56,319 always fantasized about being 115 00:03:56,403 --> 00:03:57,403 married to John. 116 00:03:57,446 --> 00:03:58,589 And she made that fantasy come 117 00:03:58,613 --> 00:04:00,198 true. 118 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,913 John loved making waves. 119 00:04:06,997 --> 00:04:08,707 And he loved being irreverent. 120 00:04:08,790 --> 00:04:11,251 He was the world's most eligible bachelor. 121 00:04:11,334 --> 00:04:12,836 And John showed up for an event, 122 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:15,172 it got a lot of attention. 123 00:04:15,255 --> 00:04:18,175 John F. Kennedy Jr. never knew anonymity. 124 00:04:18,508 --> 00:04:20,594 He was never anonymous. 125 00:04:21,052 --> 00:04:23,096 In many ways, he became sort 126 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:24,900 of america's little prince when he was born. 127 00:04:25,307 --> 00:04:26,767 People referred to him as, you 128 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:28,101 know, the prince of Camelot. 129 00:04:34,357 --> 00:04:36,109 You've got jfk, and he's glamorous. 130 00:04:36,193 --> 00:04:38,487 You have his imposteriorly glamorous wife. 131 00:04:41,448 --> 00:04:42,365 I mean, they literally were 132 00:04:42,449 --> 00:04:43,617 something out of a movie set. 133 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:46,286 You couldn't... it looks as if 134 00:04:46,369 --> 00:04:48,205 this was... that he's Cary Grant 135 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:49,414 and she's Audrey hepburn. 136 00:04:49,498 --> 00:04:50,874 So John is born in between 137 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:53,543 the time his father wins the 138 00:04:53,627 --> 00:04:55,587 election and when he takes 139 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:57,297 office in January. 140 00:04:58,799 --> 00:05:00,026 News of John's birth spread all 141 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:01,635 around the world. 142 00:05:02,427 --> 00:05:03,804 He was on the front page of 143 00:05:03,887 --> 00:05:04,763 every major newspaper. 144 00:05:04,846 --> 00:05:07,474 And that's the world he grew up in. 145 00:05:08,683 --> 00:05:11,102 The only home he knew up until 146 00:05:11,186 --> 00:05:13,021 1963 was the white house. 147 00:05:18,276 --> 00:05:20,821 I was young, you know, but he 148 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:24,324 had this desk in the oval office 149 00:05:24,407 --> 00:05:26,326 which belonged to a sea captain. 150 00:05:26,409 --> 00:05:27,649 And I just remember the inside, 151 00:05:28,119 --> 00:05:32,290 and there were kind of cabinet 152 00:05:32,415 --> 00:05:33,291 spaces in it. 153 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:34,668 Just hanging out there. 154 00:05:34,751 --> 00:05:36,878 He used to give US chewing gum, 155 00:05:36,962 --> 00:05:38,762 because our mother didn't like to US chew gum. 156 00:05:39,047 --> 00:05:40,465 He'd go to the oval office at 157 00:05:40,549 --> 00:05:42,551 night, and he'd feed US gum under the desk. 158 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:46,888 Again, it may be real, it may not be. 159 00:05:47,931 --> 00:05:50,225 But I sort of remember that. 160 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:53,937 John was always rambunctious. 161 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:55,689 It used to drive the secret 162 00:05:55,772 --> 00:05:58,108 service agents nuts are running around, wanting to play. 163 00:05:58,191 --> 00:06:02,696 Forts, playing guns, airplanes. 164 00:06:02,904 --> 00:06:04,281 John was full of thisser why gy. 165 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:05,657 You wanted to be an Australia? 166 00:06:06,283 --> 00:06:07,742 Helicopter pilot, astronaut. 167 00:06:07,826 --> 00:06:08,826 Something in the air. 168 00:06:09,452 --> 00:06:10,954 Growing up, there always were 169 00:06:11,037 --> 00:06:12,581 helicopters landing on the front 170 00:06:12,664 --> 00:06:13,999 lawn of the white house. 171 00:06:14,082 --> 00:06:15,333 And usually one parent or 172 00:06:15,417 --> 00:06:17,460 another would emerge from them. 173 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:18,378 So I kind of got this thing 174 00:06:18,461 --> 00:06:21,923 about helicopters. 175 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,223 John... John is caught 176 00:06:30,307 --> 00:06:32,475 between the conflicting 177 00:06:32,559 --> 00:06:33,810 ambitions of his parents. 178 00:06:33,894 --> 00:06:35,979 On the one hand, his father 179 00:06:36,062 --> 00:06:37,480 loves him dearly but also wants 180 00:06:37,564 --> 00:06:39,482 to put him on display as much as possible. 181 00:06:39,566 --> 00:06:42,277 Whereas John's mom, Jackie, was 182 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,653 much more reserved. 183 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:46,323 When she planted these, like, 184 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:47,574 30-foot-high bushes so that 185 00:06:47,657 --> 00:06:49,326 people couldn't see John playing 186 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:51,077 in the south lawn. 187 00:06:51,161 --> 00:06:52,746 And the president saw them, "get 188 00:06:52,829 --> 00:06:54,789 them out of there, take them out." 189 00:06:54,873 --> 00:06:57,334 There was this tug-of-war going on around John. 190 00:06:58,376 --> 00:07:00,879 Mrs. Kennedy regretted, later in 191 00:07:00,962 --> 00:07:03,340 life, naming hip John F. Kennedy Jr. 192 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:05,675 And the problem that she 193 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,011 inadvertently created was that 194 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:11,181 the more you emboldened the 195 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:14,809 myth, the more focus there's examining to be on John as the 196 00:07:14,893 --> 00:07:16,436 heir of that myth. 197 00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:25,695 The president of the united 198 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:28,031 states, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 199 00:07:28,239 --> 00:07:29,366 is dead. 200 00:07:30,492 --> 00:07:32,869 The president is dead. 201 00:07:37,332 --> 00:07:38,708 It's not something that I 202 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:41,961 spend, really, honestly, much time thinking about. 203 00:07:42,045 --> 00:07:44,464 You know, I understand that that 204 00:07:44,547 --> 00:07:46,091 was obviously a very 205 00:07:46,174 --> 00:07:48,551 historically significant event. 206 00:07:48,635 --> 00:07:49,928 He was a president. 207 00:07:51,096 --> 00:07:51,971 And there are historians, 208 00:07:52,055 --> 00:07:54,099 filmmakers, et cetera, studying that. 209 00:07:55,016 --> 00:07:57,894 Whatever they decide, whatever they find, is not going to 210 00:07:57,977 --> 00:07:59,646 change the one fundamental fact 211 00:07:59,729 --> 00:08:01,147 in my life, which is that it 212 00:08:01,231 --> 00:08:02,273 won't bring him back. 213 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,277 And so I don't really dwell on it all that often. 214 00:08:06,361 --> 00:08:07,904 I leave that to others. 215 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:10,573 When they're watching the 216 00:08:10,657 --> 00:08:12,909 coffin go by, Jackie says to 217 00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:14,619 John, "this is a chance to say 218 00:08:14,703 --> 00:08:15,703 good-bye to your dad." 219 00:08:15,745 --> 00:08:16,830 He takes a couple of steps 220 00:08:16,913 --> 00:08:18,665 forward. 221 00:08:18,748 --> 00:08:20,667 He salutes his father's grave. 222 00:08:20,750 --> 00:08:24,003 Which is an image that, for 223 00:08:24,087 --> 00:08:25,672 those of US of that generation, 224 00:08:25,755 --> 00:08:28,258 is one of the defining images of our lives. 225 00:08:29,342 --> 00:08:31,177 That moment, he became the heir 226 00:08:31,261 --> 00:08:32,345 of Camelot. 227 00:08:37,142 --> 00:08:38,518 So that's the burden that John 228 00:08:38,601 --> 00:08:39,769 grew up with his whole life. 229 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:43,356 Well, it's not really a burden. 230 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,150 It's not something that I wake 231 00:08:45,233 --> 00:08:46,526 up to while I'm shaving and 232 00:08:46,609 --> 00:08:47,819 think, alas, the burden. 233 00:08:47,902 --> 00:08:49,612 But it is... in most instances 234 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:51,740 it's really a very positive thing. 235 00:08:54,492 --> 00:08:56,536 One of the things he said to 236 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:59,039 me, he said, I'm really two people. 237 00:08:59,914 --> 00:09:02,375 I'm John. But I have a role to play, and 238 00:09:02,459 --> 00:09:04,210 that role is John Fitzgerald 239 00:09:04,294 --> 00:09:06,796 Kennedy Jr., the son of a slain president. 240 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,381 And I think that helps you to 241 00:09:08,465 --> 00:09:09,632 understand the world that he 242 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:11,801 grew up in. 243 00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:13,070 And also how successful he was 244 00:09:13,094 --> 00:09:14,846 in coping with it. 245 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:16,115 I mean, the amount of pressure 246 00:09:16,139 --> 00:09:17,241 he was under from the moment... 247 00:09:17,265 --> 00:09:19,726 Almost from the moment he was conceived. 248 00:09:20,518 --> 00:09:22,479 You know, would have crushed most people. 249 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:23,813 But it not only did not crush 250 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:26,399 him, it made him stronger. 251 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:29,045 There was a fascination with him. There's a story. 252 00:09:29,069 --> 00:09:32,822 He's on the rise, he's in his 20s. 253 00:09:32,989 --> 00:09:36,326 He's about to become a man in full. 254 00:09:38,369 --> 00:09:39,871 Yeah, I mean, he was a hunk. 255 00:09:39,954 --> 00:09:41,015 I mean, come on, let be honest. 256 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:42,290 He was a hunk. 257 00:09:44,042 --> 00:09:45,251 And then his girlfriends. 258 00:09:53,676 --> 00:09:59,182 ♪ 259 00:09:59,808 --> 00:10:04,979 ♪ 260 00:10:06,231 --> 00:10:09,776 For John, his greatest achievement wasn't public, it 261 00:10:09,859 --> 00:10:10,985 was private. 262 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:12,320 A guy who seems to have had 263 00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:14,906 everything given to him. 264 00:10:16,491 --> 00:10:18,910 But who struggled his whole life 265 00:10:18,993 --> 00:10:20,787 with his own identity. 266 00:10:23,581 --> 00:10:26,000 And in an effort to try to find 267 00:10:26,084 --> 00:10:27,252 who he was, separate from the 268 00:10:27,335 --> 00:10:28,586 Kennedy family, separate from 269 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:29,546 public expectations of who he 270 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:30,672 was going to be. 271 00:10:30,755 --> 00:10:32,841 So he goes to nyu, where he studies law. 272 00:10:33,675 --> 00:10:35,051 And I think he would be the 273 00:10:35,135 --> 00:10:36,678 first to say he perhaps didn't 274 00:10:36,761 --> 00:10:38,054 have the greatest legal mind. 275 00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:41,516 But he was serious and wanted to have that law degree. 276 00:10:41,599 --> 00:10:42,785 It was important for whatever he 277 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:44,394 would do next. 278 00:10:44,477 --> 00:10:46,479 And then he ends up at the 279 00:10:46,563 --> 00:10:48,231 Manhattan da's office. 280 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:50,483 And his face in the New York 281 00:10:50,567 --> 00:10:52,485 bar becomes an obsession among 282 00:10:52,569 --> 00:10:54,112 the tabloid newspapers of new York. 283 00:10:54,195 --> 00:10:55,989 I know because I worked at one at the time. 284 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:03,955 And he famously flunks the exam, not once but twice. 285 00:11:04,038 --> 00:11:05,915 When I failed the bar exam, 286 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:06,875 it was... the "New York post" 287 00:11:06,958 --> 00:11:08,543 had the headline "the hunk flunks." 288 00:11:08,626 --> 00:11:10,378 Some of that I could actually do without. 289 00:11:11,129 --> 00:11:13,256 My recollection is that you 290 00:11:13,339 --> 00:11:14,739 fail a third time, you lose the job. 291 00:11:15,633 --> 00:11:16,926 But it seemed like the third 292 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:18,720 time was a charm. 293 00:11:18,803 --> 00:11:20,597 Certainly was for John. 294 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:21,680 Did you pass the bar? 295 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:23,391 Apparently it's true. 296 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:25,226 I got the official word not long ago. 297 00:11:29,647 --> 00:11:33,026 Columnist for the "New York daily news" in the '90s. 298 00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:36,362 My gossip column was called "hot copy." 299 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:38,990 Because of that gossip column, I 300 00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:41,492 was privy obviously to a lot of 301 00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:42,595 stuff John was going through 302 00:11:42,619 --> 00:11:43,703 with his dating. 303 00:11:44,162 --> 00:11:45,288 John had a lot of 304 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:46,998 girlfriends, pretty much 305 00:11:47,081 --> 00:11:48,750 starting from early on. 306 00:11:49,584 --> 00:11:52,128 John and I met... I guess it was '89. 307 00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:54,422 I was with a friend in west palm beach. 308 00:11:54,505 --> 00:11:57,800 And we all ended up at this random place and daysed until 309 00:11:57,884 --> 00:11:58,885 4:00 in the morning. 310 00:11:59,344 --> 00:12:01,262 I just loved that he was kind of 311 00:12:01,346 --> 00:12:03,890 silly, quirky, forget full, fun, 312 00:12:04,307 --> 00:12:05,307 adventurous. 313 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:08,144 Like a normal, humble, great guy. 314 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,022 John and I met when I was 15, 315 00:12:11,105 --> 00:12:12,607 and I had known him for ten 316 00:12:12,690 --> 00:12:15,360 years before we got involved. 317 00:12:15,443 --> 00:12:17,403 So, we knew each other pretty well. 318 00:12:17,487 --> 00:12:20,323 He made you feel alive. 319 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:23,451 And I remember how often we just 320 00:12:23,534 --> 00:12:24,744 laughed so much. 321 00:12:25,245 --> 00:12:26,663 Curious intellectually. 322 00:12:27,205 --> 00:12:29,749 Physically, he wanted to try new things. 323 00:12:29,874 --> 00:12:31,751 He wanted to push the boundaries 324 00:12:31,834 --> 00:12:33,336 of who he was. 325 00:12:33,628 --> 00:12:34,879 He wanted you not to think of 326 00:12:34,963 --> 00:12:37,298 yourself in this little box, but 327 00:12:37,382 --> 00:12:39,217 all the things that the world could offer. 328 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:40,802 All the things that you could do. 329 00:12:41,344 --> 00:12:43,930 And that's a true friend. 330 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:48,893 We know about him dating 331 00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:52,188 Sarah Jessica Parker, Julie baker Mark Donna. 332 00:12:52,272 --> 00:12:53,856 Those are the ones we knew about. 333 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:55,316 When you're as good-looking as 334 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,736 John Kennedy, there are another hundred girls we don't know 335 00:12:58,820 --> 00:12:59,820 about. 336 00:13:01,072 --> 00:13:04,075 He dates much more seriously and for a longer period of time 337 00:13:04,158 --> 00:13:05,743 Daryl Hannah, who made a splash 338 00:13:05,827 --> 00:13:07,161 in the movie "splash." 339 00:13:07,912 --> 00:13:09,497 I definitely think they were in love. 340 00:13:10,581 --> 00:13:12,667 She was really lovely. 341 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:15,670 Sweet, fun, funny, loved John. 342 00:13:16,504 --> 00:13:18,339 When they broke up, I was... to 343 00:13:18,423 --> 00:13:20,717 be honest with you, I was surprised. 344 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,760 I was like, why? 345 00:13:22,927 --> 00:13:25,471 They just said, it's not working. 346 00:13:26,306 --> 00:13:29,350 The women who John is 347 00:13:29,434 --> 00:13:31,794 attracted to are, first of all, stunning. They're beautiful. 348 00:13:31,936 --> 00:13:33,896 But they're also smart. 349 00:13:34,272 --> 00:13:36,316 And they're engaging. 350 00:13:36,691 --> 00:13:38,067 And they're curious. 351 00:13:38,151 --> 00:13:40,862 And I think he saw all those qualities in Carolyn. 352 00:13:45,616 --> 00:13:48,870 Carolyn and I met in '87. 353 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:51,873 We were really good friends. 354 00:13:55,043 --> 00:13:58,713 A lot of the mornings, we'd get almond croissants. 355 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:01,841 She'd take the almonds off. 356 00:14:01,924 --> 00:14:04,052 "Okay, you can have it." 357 00:14:04,594 --> 00:14:05,594 What? 358 00:14:07,013 --> 00:14:09,640 There were all kinds of restaurants we would go to. 359 00:14:11,267 --> 00:14:12,707 And of course we would have martinis. 360 00:14:14,312 --> 00:14:19,567 But my favorite thing is Carolyn curled up on my bed with a big, 361 00:14:19,650 --> 00:14:23,696 huge sweater, sitting and being happy. 362 00:14:24,238 --> 00:14:26,657 That would be my favorite thing. 363 00:14:26,741 --> 00:14:29,702 I was very taken by, you know, something we explore in 364 00:14:29,786 --> 00:14:31,662 the show, which is just how 365 00:14:31,746 --> 00:14:33,581 radically her life was changed 366 00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:35,083 by this romance. 367 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:38,669 And I love in the pilot episode 368 00:14:39,337 --> 00:14:42,215 getting that snapshot of her life. 369 00:14:42,298 --> 00:14:44,425 New York in the early '90s. 370 00:14:44,509 --> 00:14:47,303 The sort of freedom and the fun. 371 00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:50,765 And a time I think also of great 372 00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:52,850 ambition and ascent for her of 373 00:14:53,101 --> 00:14:55,269 like, I'm going places, i'm doing things. 374 00:14:55,812 --> 00:15:00,566 She had an entire full life and career, and one that was 375 00:15:00,650 --> 00:15:01,901 really blossoming. 376 00:15:02,151 --> 00:15:04,362 She climbed the ranks of Calvin klein so quickly. 377 00:15:05,488 --> 00:15:08,533 She got along with all the clients, which was her job. 378 00:15:08,825 --> 00:15:11,494 I think Calvin adored her. 379 00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:16,457 I remember walking into a Calvin klein fashion show in the 380 00:15:16,541 --> 00:15:20,336 '90s and seeing Carolyn bessette across the runway for the first 381 00:15:20,419 --> 00:15:21,254 time. 382 00:15:21,337 --> 00:15:22,672 And thinking, that's one of the 383 00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:26,217 prettiest girls I've ever seen in my entire life. 384 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:28,553 I had no idea who she was. 385 00:15:28,636 --> 00:15:31,973 In the series, Carolyn was 386 00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:34,976 working at Calvin klein, and she 387 00:15:35,059 --> 00:15:36,477 managed to get herself into that 388 00:15:36,561 --> 00:15:37,395 fashion fund-raiser. 389 00:15:37,478 --> 00:15:38,729 You know, she was living a life 390 00:15:38,813 --> 00:15:40,064 of, you know, going out at 391 00:15:40,148 --> 00:15:41,482 night, hanging with her friends, 392 00:15:41,566 --> 00:15:43,276 showing up in the showroom. 393 00:15:43,359 --> 00:15:45,236 She was dressing all the celebrities. 394 00:15:45,319 --> 00:15:49,115 She was about to be elevated to publicity. 395 00:15:49,198 --> 00:15:51,325 And Calvin introduced her to jfk Jr. 396 00:15:51,409 --> 00:15:52,660 And he then did show up looking 397 00:15:52,743 --> 00:15:53,411 for her. 398 00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:54,745 Showed up to get fitted for a 399 00:15:54,829 --> 00:15:55,746 suit, asking for her 400 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:57,832 specifically. 401 00:15:57,915 --> 00:16:00,585 She was coming to buy a few suits. 402 00:16:00,668 --> 00:16:01,836 And Calvin decided that they 403 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,589 would get the most effervescent 404 00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:07,008 person to show him the clothes, 405 00:16:07,091 --> 00:16:08,861 even though she usually showed the women's line. 406 00:16:08,885 --> 00:16:12,513 Everybody knows who he is. 407 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:13,764 And he's accepting and 408 00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:16,601 acknowledging that but still 409 00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:17,852 very determined to get to the 410 00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:19,478 back, where's Carolyn bessette, 411 00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:21,272 I'm here to do one thing. 412 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:23,024 You know, here's a man who has 413 00:16:23,107 --> 00:16:24,942 countless suits, doesn't need anything. 414 00:16:25,026 --> 00:16:26,819 But that's his excuse to just 415 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:27,612 get close. 416 00:16:27,695 --> 00:16:29,864 Of course, he left with a crush. 417 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:33,034 And her phone number. 418 00:16:33,117 --> 00:16:34,952 Oh, he definitely chased her. 419 00:16:35,036 --> 00:16:37,205 Early on, he would be frustrated. 420 00:16:37,288 --> 00:16:39,373 I mean, he would say, "I called 421 00:16:39,457 --> 00:16:41,125 her, and she hasn't called me back." 422 00:16:41,209 --> 00:16:42,501 John wasn't used to having 423 00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:44,045 people say no to him. 424 00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:46,047 I think it made him want her even more. 425 00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:47,548 And find her even more 426 00:16:47,632 --> 00:16:48,692 attractive, that she was strong 427 00:16:48,716 --> 00:16:52,970 enough and independent enough to say no to him. 428 00:16:53,054 --> 00:16:54,722 They came for the weekend, 429 00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:56,057 and I think he had told US he 430 00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:57,683 was coming for the weekend, he 431 00:16:57,767 --> 00:16:59,977 was bringing a friend. Okay. 432 00:17:00,061 --> 00:17:02,563 In the morning she walked out, 433 00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:05,983 and she's quite striking. You know. 434 00:17:06,067 --> 00:17:07,193 Blond and ten stories high. 435 00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:11,697 And I thought, oh, this is not a friend. 436 00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:14,909 Carolyn was very independent. She was a strong woman. 437 00:17:14,992 --> 00:17:18,371 And I think he loved that. 438 00:17:18,454 --> 00:17:20,665 She could be his friend. 439 00:17:20,748 --> 00:17:22,500 She could listen to his secrets 440 00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:23,751 and not judge him. 441 00:17:23,834 --> 00:17:26,837 And I think that that was rare 442 00:17:26,921 --> 00:17:30,049 for John, to be that comfortable doing that with someone. 443 00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:31,342 Look at the birdie. 444 00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:33,511 When he settled down with 445 00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:36,264 Carolyn, it was kind of a 446 00:17:36,347 --> 00:17:37,932 remarkable moment where he said, 447 00:17:38,015 --> 00:17:40,184 I'm out, I'm done, I've found the one. 448 00:17:40,268 --> 00:17:42,186 And I got to say, I think he 449 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:45,064 ended on the classiest, coolest 450 00:17:45,147 --> 00:17:47,441 chick he ever dated. 451 00:17:51,195 --> 00:17:58,202 ♪ 452 00:18:03,374 --> 00:18:04,542 John loved New York, and he 453 00:18:04,625 --> 00:18:06,377 was a creature of New York. 454 00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:09,005 And he loved everything about it. 455 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,506 There was no more beautiful 456 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:13,175 sight than John Kennedy Jr., who 457 00:18:13,259 --> 00:18:15,344 looked like James Bond with a 458 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:16,655 backpack, skating down Broadway 459 00:18:16,679 --> 00:18:20,683 with his hat on backwards. 460 00:18:20,766 --> 00:18:23,185 He was acutely conscious of 461 00:18:23,269 --> 00:18:25,104 the fact that he could not avoid 462 00:18:25,187 --> 00:18:26,522 having a public image. 463 00:18:26,606 --> 00:18:28,899 And he sculpted his public image 464 00:18:28,983 --> 00:18:31,611 as surely as he sculpted his abs. 465 00:18:31,694 --> 00:18:35,281 John just had this desire to 466 00:18:35,364 --> 00:18:37,783 be a normal guy. 467 00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:41,078 But also, really focused on 468 00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:42,580 carving his own path in life, 469 00:18:42,663 --> 00:18:43,706 doing it his way. 470 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,125 John was used to the kind of 471 00:18:46,208 --> 00:18:47,918 attention that he got being his 472 00:18:48,002 --> 00:18:50,588 mother's son and his father's son. 473 00:18:50,671 --> 00:18:52,882 And he grew to have a comfort 474 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:53,883 level with that. 475 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:57,136 But things were different when 476 00:18:57,219 --> 00:19:02,808 he was voted "people's" 477 00:19:02,892 --> 00:19:03,559 sexiest man. 478 00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:04,977 I was dating him at that time, 479 00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:07,980 and the attention on him became 480 00:19:08,064 --> 00:19:10,650 much more about him in his own right. 481 00:19:10,733 --> 00:19:12,401 We're here to talk about sexy man. 482 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,987 The thing has become a huge 483 00:19:15,071 --> 00:19:16,214 part what was we do, and there's 484 00:19:16,238 --> 00:19:17,990 a lot of attention paid to it. 485 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:19,909 And frankly, I think it's 486 00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,828 probably the issue most waited for. 487 00:19:22,912 --> 00:19:25,956 Become part what was Americans talk about. 488 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,583 John F. Kennedy Jr. has now 489 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:28,727 entered this canon of people who 490 00:19:28,751 --> 00:19:31,003 are thus designated, and the 491 00:19:31,087 --> 00:19:33,464 readers agreed. 492 00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:37,426 It hit pay dirt. 493 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:39,261 Do you mind all this stuff about you? 494 00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:40,930 People can say a lot worse 495 00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:43,015 things about you, right, than 496 00:19:43,099 --> 00:19:44,242 that you were attractive and you 497 00:19:44,266 --> 00:19:46,519 look good in a bathing suit. 498 00:19:46,602 --> 00:19:47,520 Occasionally it's an annoyance, 499 00:19:47,603 --> 00:19:49,188 but for the most part there's a 500 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:50,690 sense that it's... kind of 501 00:19:50,773 --> 00:19:52,274 continues on and it's generated 502 00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:53,585 and it doesn't really have a lot 503 00:19:53,609 --> 00:19:55,361 to do with my life in a strange way. 504 00:19:55,444 --> 00:19:57,530 It's kind of... it's sort of... 505 00:19:57,613 --> 00:19:58,757 Continues at the periphery, and 506 00:19:58,781 --> 00:19:59,699 I kind of, you know... laugh 507 00:19:59,782 --> 00:20:04,203 about it. 508 00:20:04,286 --> 00:20:10,042 His glamor and his kind of 509 00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:11,961 cachet is absolute gold for the 510 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:14,714 stars of the new magazine. 511 00:20:14,797 --> 00:20:16,298 Ladies and gentlemen, meet George. 512 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:18,551 The first cover is Cindy 513 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:20,970 Crawford, you know, it model of 514 00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:23,389 the time, dressed up as George 515 00:20:23,472 --> 00:20:24,974 Washington with a bare midriff. 516 00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:27,226 So this is great, the contrast... 517 00:20:27,309 --> 00:20:28,978 What John did is different. 518 00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:32,064 Because there were serious ideas 519 00:20:32,148 --> 00:20:35,651 within the pages of "George" magazine. 520 00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:36,277 Then there were also, you know, 521 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:41,490 flashy celebrities. 522 00:20:41,574 --> 00:20:42,366 It was meant to draw people 523 00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:43,743 in who care more about 524 00:20:43,826 --> 00:20:45,077 supermodels than about 525 00:20:45,161 --> 00:20:47,496 presidents. 526 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:50,332 So, how is the magazine doing? 527 00:20:50,416 --> 00:20:54,503 The early signs are that... 528 00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:59,759 We sold out in about two weeks. 529 00:20:59,842 --> 00:21:00,676 He also was sort of feeling 530 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,263 his way into politics. 531 00:21:04,346 --> 00:21:05,264 I mean, he was kind of thinking 532 00:21:05,347 --> 00:21:07,600 about running for the senate, 533 00:21:07,683 --> 00:21:09,852 kind of thinking about maybe not, maybe. 534 00:21:09,935 --> 00:21:11,520 Everybody wanted John to be 535 00:21:11,604 --> 00:21:12,396 in politics. 536 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,689 There was a part of him that 537 00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:14,690 wanted to be great. 538 00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:16,108 Wanted to leave his Mark. 539 00:21:16,192 --> 00:21:18,778 Our hope is not lost 540 00:21:18,861 --> 00:21:21,238 idealism, but a realistic possibility. 541 00:21:21,322 --> 00:21:22,782 You know, you grow up in the 542 00:21:22,865 --> 00:21:24,533 Kennedy family, and you... you 543 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,202 know, you aspire to much bigger things. 544 00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:28,704 And "George" magazine I think 545 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:31,457 was his way of sort of exploring 546 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:34,710 a public forum into politics. 547 00:21:34,794 --> 00:21:36,253 Make it... the front of it 548 00:21:36,337 --> 00:21:36,796 more visual... 549 00:21:36,879 --> 00:21:40,090 I think it was an ambitious idea. 550 00:21:40,174 --> 00:21:42,802 And maybe not a completely sane one. 551 00:21:42,885 --> 00:21:44,386 I mean, if you're interested in 552 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:46,639 looking at Cindy Crawford, you 553 00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:50,226 might not be interested in 554 00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:52,102 reading about nuclear missile 555 00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:53,186 proliferation. 556 00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:55,773 So John becomes the 557 00:21:55,856 --> 00:21:57,483 editor-in-chief. 558 00:21:57,566 --> 00:21:58,400 And at the very same time, he's 559 00:21:58,484 --> 00:21:59,652 starting a new relationship. 560 00:21:59,735 --> 00:22:01,904 That was a real love affair. 561 00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:04,240 He was in love with Carolyn. 562 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,742 He just thought she was this amazing woman. 563 00:22:06,826 --> 00:22:07,993 Beautiful. Complicated. 564 00:22:08,077 --> 00:22:10,996 Fun. 565 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,581 They were really in love. 566 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:14,834 What we really wanted to do 567 00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:17,586 was tell a love story that was 568 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:18,504 something anybody who's ever 569 00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:20,422 been in love could relate to. 570 00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,007 We wanted to celebrate the life 571 00:22:22,091 --> 00:22:22,758 of these people. 572 00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:24,653 I can't even imagine the weight and responsibility on 573 00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:27,680 them. 574 00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:29,306 1995 that she reportedly 575 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:32,309 moves into his Tribeca apartment. 576 00:22:32,393 --> 00:22:33,553 And it's because of that that 577 00:22:33,602 --> 00:22:35,437 the siege begins at this apartment. 578 00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:37,606 It's on a very open public street. 579 00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:39,358 It's an industrial door in what 580 00:22:39,441 --> 00:22:41,026 used to be an industrial building. 581 00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:43,195 And paparazzi started to camp 582 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:44,381 out in front of the building. 583 00:22:44,405 --> 00:22:47,283 So I would just ask any 584 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,159 privacy you can give her as she 585 00:22:49,243 --> 00:22:50,995 makes that adjustment, it would 586 00:22:51,078 --> 00:22:54,123 be greatly appreciated. 587 00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:55,791 Carolyn bessette was not 588 00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:59,336 someone who was prepared to be 589 00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:03,299 the wife of John F. Kennedy Jr., 590 00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:03,924 sexiest man alive, potentially a 591 00:23:04,008 --> 00:23:06,802 presidential candidate. 592 00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:07,970 Okay, enough, enough. 593 00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:08,846 Let's go. 594 00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:11,515 John was just in a place in 595 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:13,142 his life where he wanted to... 596 00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:13,809 He wanted to get married. 597 00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:19,273 He was eager to start a family. 598 00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:20,065 Are you crazy? 599 00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:21,293 How can we possibly raise kids 600 00:23:21,317 --> 00:23:22,735 in this environment? 601 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:24,236 She was very cautious. 602 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:24,987 She was in no rush. 603 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:29,491 They pull off a truly genius 604 00:23:29,575 --> 00:23:31,577 secret wedding on a place called 605 00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:33,412 cumberland island in Georgia. 606 00:23:33,495 --> 00:23:34,330 Nobody knew this was happening. 607 00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:35,664 The thing is, you can pull 608 00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:38,250 off a secret wedding like that 609 00:23:38,334 --> 00:23:39,919 even if you're John Kennedy if 610 00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:41,146 you know who your friends are 611 00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:42,230 and you know who you can trust. 612 00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:43,923 A very small wedding. 613 00:23:44,006 --> 00:23:45,841 But nevertheless, no paparazzi 614 00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:47,843 found out about it. 615 00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:49,720 It was just seen as being almost 616 00:23:49,803 --> 00:23:51,764 a CIA-like operation, and good for them. 617 00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:04,360 ♪ 618 00:24:06,153 --> 00:24:10,532 John, come over here! 619 00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:12,618 It's impossible to look at 620 00:24:12,701 --> 00:24:15,621 the grace and glamor and mystery 621 00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:17,289 around Carolyn bessette and not 622 00:24:17,373 --> 00:24:22,127 compare her to Jackie Kennedy. 623 00:24:22,211 --> 00:24:24,338 I mean, the way Jackie Kennedy 624 00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:25,339 bore herself. 625 00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:26,215 Her mystery. 626 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:27,049 Her grace. 627 00:24:27,132 --> 00:24:30,970 Her seemingly existing above it all. 628 00:24:31,053 --> 00:24:34,181 Was evident in Carolyn bessette as well. 629 00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:35,975 The parallels between Carolyn 630 00:24:36,058 --> 00:24:38,894 and Jackie are so extraordinary. 631 00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:40,479 Because they very much were cut 632 00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:42,064 from the same kind of cloth, in 633 00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:43,232 many ways. 634 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:45,567 They both had incredible style 635 00:24:45,651 --> 00:24:47,194 and taste. 636 00:24:47,277 --> 00:24:49,071 Jackie had such an elegance. 637 00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:50,531 And Carolyn was very much in 638 00:24:50,614 --> 00:24:57,621 that aesthetic. 639 00:24:59,915 --> 00:25:02,918 Carolyn as a fashion icon, I 640 00:25:03,002 --> 00:25:04,229 mean, since the first photograph 641 00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:06,088 that was ever taken of her, she 642 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:07,423 was looked at for her personal 643 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:11,677 style. 644 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,594 She's been gone for, you know, 645 00:25:12,678 --> 00:25:16,223 almost 30 years. 646 00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:17,683 But she's been a constant when 647 00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:20,269 it comes to referencing her look 648 00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:22,896 or her silhouette. 649 00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:24,773 Girls wanted to look like her 650 00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:26,608 back then, and I mean, still 651 00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:28,569 today they want to look like her. 652 00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:31,780 No one did '90s minimalism 653 00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:33,866 like Carolyn bessette Kennedy. 654 00:25:33,949 --> 00:25:37,786 She's someone who let the sim 655 00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:41,415 miss of your outfits speak for itself. 656 00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:42,041 Something about her specifically 657 00:25:42,124 --> 00:25:46,462 is just the blueprint. 658 00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:47,963 This whole side here, these 659 00:25:48,047 --> 00:25:50,132 first two bays, are all Carolyn 660 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:54,970 bessette's closet. 661 00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:58,724 This was a coat that she had worn. 662 00:25:58,807 --> 00:25:59,975 An old Prada coat. 663 00:26:00,059 --> 00:26:03,812 She wore a lot of Prada, a lot 664 00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,899 of Valentino, a lot of Yamamoto. 665 00:26:06,982 --> 00:26:09,485 Yamamoto described his 666 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:10,819 clothing to be like armor for 667 00:26:10,903 --> 00:26:12,488 the women that wore it. 668 00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:14,156 I think that made so much sense 669 00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:16,325 on to me as to why she wore so 670 00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:17,993 many of his designs to these 671 00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:20,245 public outings. 672 00:26:20,329 --> 00:26:21,580 Carolyn obviously had such an 673 00:26:21,663 --> 00:26:23,058 understanding of the power of clothing. 674 00:26:23,082 --> 00:26:24,166 It's the first thing that 675 00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:24,750 someone takes in about you. 676 00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:30,798 There she is. 677 00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:32,466 A lot of vintage and then just 678 00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:33,759 beat the hell out of it. 679 00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:35,260 Because she famously would beat 680 00:26:35,344 --> 00:26:36,345 up all of her bags. 681 00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:37,971 I think for many people, she 682 00:26:38,055 --> 00:26:39,848 has become a kind of ultimate 683 00:26:39,932 --> 00:26:41,600 fashion reference for how to 684 00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:44,269 channel minimalist '90s style. 685 00:26:44,353 --> 00:26:46,355 She just knew what worked for 686 00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:47,856 her, and that is very alluring 687 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,483 to people and has a sort of aura 688 00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:51,110 of mystery around it. 689 00:26:51,193 --> 00:26:52,694 Mostly because people can't 690 00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:54,780 figure out how somebody can be 691 00:26:54,863 --> 00:26:56,049 so sure of what it is they want 692 00:26:56,073 --> 00:26:56,615 to wear and how they want to 693 00:26:56,698 --> 00:27:02,121 present themselves. 694 00:27:02,204 --> 00:27:04,706 So, this was probably the 695 00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:08,335 most daunting design challenge. 696 00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:12,798 This was a recreation of the 697 00:27:12,881 --> 00:27:16,718 wedding dress which narciso 698 00:27:16,802 --> 00:27:18,387 Rodriguez made for her. 699 00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:19,531 They were very good friends. 700 00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:22,140 That dress was so influential. 701 00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:23,851 Nobody got married in a slip 702 00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:26,520 dress like that before that. 703 00:27:26,603 --> 00:27:27,646 That just spoke to her 704 00:27:27,729 --> 00:27:28,790 extraordinary confidence, and it 705 00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:35,821 started a whole new trend. 706 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:37,573 They got married in the 707 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,032 middle of 92 where. 708 00:27:39,116 --> 00:27:41,326 Access to cumberland island was 709 00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:41,994 virtually impossible. 710 00:27:42,077 --> 00:27:44,246 It wasn't like getting married 711 00:27:44,329 --> 00:27:46,665 at some downtown church or in 712 00:27:46,748 --> 00:27:47,934 Montecito, California, someplace 713 00:27:47,958 --> 00:27:48,834 you could stake out. 714 00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:50,252 You couldn't get there. 715 00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:51,396 And that's precisely why they 716 00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:53,380 chose it we flew down to 717 00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:54,703 Jacksonville, Florida, I think, 718 00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:55,900 then took a boat to the island. 719 00:27:55,924 --> 00:27:57,342 I mean, at what is a secret 720 00:27:57,426 --> 00:27:59,720 among even the family, which is 721 00:27:59,803 --> 00:28:01,513 why it was able to be kept a 722 00:28:01,597 --> 00:28:03,181 secret, I think. 723 00:28:03,265 --> 00:28:05,100 It was very clear that first day 724 00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:07,686 that nobody knew that they were 725 00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:08,353 getting married. 726 00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:11,356 Originally, we wanted to have 727 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,358 the wedding on the beach. 728 00:28:13,442 --> 00:28:15,277 Until Carolyn saw that church. 729 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,237 And she was like, we're getting 730 00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:20,282 married there. 731 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:21,700 One of the great things about 732 00:28:21,783 --> 00:28:24,786 John and Carolyn's wedding is 733 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:28,206 there was no wedding planner. 734 00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:29,958 One night Carolyn meets John's 735 00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:30,918 executive assistant, and they 736 00:28:31,001 --> 00:28:32,586 print the wedding programs on 737 00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:34,379 the "George" magazine office copier. 738 00:28:34,463 --> 00:28:36,048 I, John, take thee, 739 00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:39,134 Carolyn... 740 00:28:39,217 --> 00:28:40,886 It was just a great, magical, 741 00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:41,720 fun weekend. 742 00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:44,389 And we were... there were only 743 00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:45,974 about 30 of US. 744 00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:47,059 So it was like camp. 745 00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:48,644 And we were just running around 746 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:49,728 this whole island. 747 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,480 And we had it all to ourselves. 748 00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:52,731 I kind of didn't believe that 749 00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:53,398 they had pulled it off. 750 00:28:53,482 --> 00:29:00,489 It was like a fantasy. 751 00:29:03,492 --> 00:29:04,993 He knew that she wouldn't 752 00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:08,246 want the big, splashy, paparazzi wedding. 753 00:29:08,497 --> 00:29:10,374 She wanted something different, 754 00:29:10,457 --> 00:29:11,917 and he wanted to give that to her. 755 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,045 Everybody in america put them 756 00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:16,296 on a pedestal. 757 00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:18,131 We wanted them to be the John 758 00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:19,257 and Jackie Kennedy. 759 00:29:19,341 --> 00:29:20,884 You can't even imagine the 760 00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,288 weight and responsibility on them. 761 00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:25,347 Following their wedding, 762 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,590 Carolyn started to have a lot 763 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,350 more fears and anxiety. 764 00:29:29,226 --> 00:29:30,894 Her whole life changed overnight. 765 00:29:31,019 --> 00:29:36,191 She really couldn't go out, day or night, without being followed and filmed. 766 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:41,947 I think she underestimated, as anyone would, what that pressure 767 00:29:42,155 --> 00:29:43,281 was going to be. 768 00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:50,247 Carolyn was really having a 769 00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:52,416 hard time with paparazzi. 770 00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:56,128 Just was a slow erosion of 771 00:29:56,211 --> 00:29:58,797 happiness, of privacy, that she 772 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,465 didn't know how to handle. 773 00:30:00,549 --> 00:30:02,217 I said, this is what you 774 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:02,968 bargained for? 775 00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:04,970 And she goes, no, this was not 776 00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:06,680 what I thought it would be. 777 00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:08,849 I can't even walk the dog on the street. 778 00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:10,726 I can't pick up poop. 779 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:13,353 There's a photographer in your face everywhere you go. 780 00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:20,610 It was taking a toll on their relationship. 781 00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:22,779 He was trying to protect her, 782 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,143 but they couldn't 24 hours a day. 783 00:30:24,197 --> 00:30:25,949 John was naive. 784 00:30:26,033 --> 00:30:27,826 He told her, once I'm married, 785 00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:29,286 all this is going to disappear. 786 00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:30,829 I think she bought into that. 787 00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:32,539 It turned out to be very, very different. 788 00:30:42,632 --> 00:30:44,926 It was considered kind of 789 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:46,112 radical, that John chose to live 790 00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:48,889 in the Tribeca area. 791 00:30:48,972 --> 00:30:50,766 It was industrial, it was gritty. 792 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,642 It was a little forbidding. 793 00:30:52,726 --> 00:30:53,769 But it was cool. 794 00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:55,437 It was not the Upper East Side. 795 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,814 He chose not to live the life 796 00:30:57,898 --> 00:30:59,441 that he probably had been raised to. 797 00:31:01,735 --> 00:31:03,445 I'm Alex digerlando, 798 00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:05,947 executive producer of "love story." 799 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:09,326 This is John and Carolyn's Tribeca loft. 800 00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:14,915 We recreated it here on the stage. 801 00:31:19,628 --> 00:31:20,837 Our production designer and 802 00:31:20,921 --> 00:31:22,547 the production design team 803 00:31:22,631 --> 00:31:25,258 really took care in researching 804 00:31:25,342 --> 00:31:27,511 not just what felt like the 805 00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:30,097 '90s, but the specificity where 806 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,223 our characters lived. 807 00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:32,492 And it was important for US to 808 00:31:32,516 --> 00:31:34,518 go to the real locations, too. 809 00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:37,604 We were actually able to film 810 00:31:37,687 --> 00:31:41,733 outside of their real building 811 00:31:41,817 --> 00:31:43,860 on north Moore next to Walker's. 812 00:31:43,944 --> 00:31:46,738 So it was at times haunting to 813 00:31:46,822 --> 00:31:47,405 be in the actual spaces they had 814 00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:54,496 been. 815 00:31:54,871 --> 00:31:57,707 One of the great things about 816 00:31:57,791 --> 00:32:00,043 New York is that generally it is 817 00:32:00,127 --> 00:32:01,044 a place where you can be 818 00:32:01,128 --> 00:32:03,463 anonymous, even when you're very famous. 819 00:32:03,547 --> 00:32:05,549 Greta garbo famously said she 820 00:32:05,632 --> 00:32:06,967 moved to New York at the end of 821 00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:08,290 her life because the only place 822 00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:10,887 that she could be alone. 823 00:32:10,971 --> 00:32:12,115 And so what was strange about 824 00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:13,366 their New York existence is they 825 00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:15,392 were hassled here. 826 00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:17,060 Part of the tragedy was that so 827 00:32:17,144 --> 00:32:17,978 quickly this did not become a 828 00:32:18,061 --> 00:32:22,065 city that was a safe haven. 829 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:25,735 My name's Victor malafronte. 830 00:32:25,819 --> 00:32:28,572 I was a paparazzi in the '80s 831 00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:30,073 and '90s in New York City. 832 00:32:30,157 --> 00:32:30,991 I was part of a documentary 833 00:32:31,074 --> 00:32:33,451 called "blast 'em." 834 00:32:33,535 --> 00:32:36,955 What a jerk. 835 00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:38,081 It was about the paparazzi 836 00:32:38,165 --> 00:32:39,082 and how they created their 837 00:32:39,166 --> 00:32:40,500 craft. 838 00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:42,169 What are you going to do? 839 00:32:42,252 --> 00:32:43,628 He doesn't want to pose, he 840 00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:47,340 doesn't want to pose, you know? 841 00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:48,967 The one of John is one of the 842 00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:51,970 most famous I'm known for. 843 00:32:52,053 --> 00:32:55,765 I followed John back to his 844 00:32:55,849 --> 00:32:57,326 house, and he comes bounding out on rollerblades. 845 00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:59,436 And I started running after him. 846 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,688 John just stooped, made a dead 847 00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:03,011 stop, turned around and saw me. 848 00:33:03,064 --> 00:33:05,275 And he started to charge me. 849 00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:06,776 And I thought he was going to 850 00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:07,944 attack me or something. 851 00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:09,529 But he said, "do you think you 852 00:33:09,613 --> 00:33:11,448 could give me a break so I could 853 00:33:11,531 --> 00:33:12,949 spend my day enjoying myself and 854 00:33:13,033 --> 00:33:17,037 not being hunted by you?" 855 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,206 He had a pretty respectful 856 00:33:19,289 --> 00:33:21,124 relationship with the paparazzi. 857 00:33:21,208 --> 00:33:24,127 It changes when he gets married. 858 00:33:24,211 --> 00:33:27,005 And for some reason, the press 859 00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:31,384 cannot accept Carolyn. 860 00:33:31,468 --> 00:33:35,805 It was tough on her. 861 00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:38,141 There's this one phrase that 862 00:33:38,225 --> 00:33:39,726 actually makes me really angry 863 00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:41,019 when people say. 864 00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:44,231 "Well, she knew what she was getting into." 865 00:33:44,314 --> 00:33:45,398 Nobody knows what they're 866 00:33:45,482 --> 00:33:46,691 getting into until they're in 867 00:33:46,775 --> 00:33:48,235 it. 868 00:33:48,318 --> 00:33:49,486 I think one of the things 869 00:33:49,569 --> 00:33:52,739 that the show explores is that 870 00:33:52,822 --> 00:33:54,824 because John has grown up in the 871 00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:56,826 public eye, he has sort of 872 00:33:56,910 --> 00:34:00,080 learned how to manage and 873 00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:02,707 coexist with the paparazzi. 874 00:34:02,791 --> 00:34:05,335 But for her, especially because 875 00:34:05,418 --> 00:34:07,879 she won't feed the machine, they 876 00:34:07,963 --> 00:34:11,007 turn on her. 877 00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:12,676 The scenes were very intense. 878 00:34:12,759 --> 00:34:14,261 I mean, just the amount of 879 00:34:14,344 --> 00:34:17,180 people, the flashes. 880 00:34:17,264 --> 00:34:19,182 It was so constant. 881 00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:20,767 You know, you... your nervous 882 00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:22,078 system gets fried pretty quickly. 883 00:34:22,102 --> 00:34:23,770 You have to understand one 884 00:34:23,853 --> 00:34:25,397 thing about Carolyn. 885 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,234 She hates being taken a picture of. 886 00:34:29,317 --> 00:34:31,069 That's why she wears sunglasses 887 00:34:31,152 --> 00:34:32,779 and shrouds herself. 888 00:34:32,862 --> 00:34:35,532 She wanted to hide. 889 00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:38,493 She was not able to leave her front door on north Moore 890 00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:40,537 street. 891 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:41,705 It was almost like a stage. 892 00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:43,915 These two steps down, there was 893 00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,210 no other exit, there's no doorman. 894 00:34:47,294 --> 00:34:49,546 And the paparazzi were always, 895 00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:50,380 always there. 896 00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:51,965 And it just built on itself. 897 00:34:52,048 --> 00:34:53,128 And the more frightened she 898 00:34:53,174 --> 00:34:53,717 became, the more isolated she 899 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,055 became. 900 00:34:59,139 --> 00:35:00,432 I mean, she just... I don't 901 00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:01,766 think the company and the 902 00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:03,476 business could handle her being 903 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,061 so photographed. 904 00:35:05,145 --> 00:35:06,146 And so in the media. 905 00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:07,147 And that was her life. 906 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:08,940 She had been a professional. 907 00:35:09,024 --> 00:35:09,899 She was a director person. 908 00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:11,109 And she loses that. 909 00:35:11,192 --> 00:35:11,651 Then she's trapped in this 910 00:35:11,735 --> 00:35:14,738 prison. 911 00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:16,239 Okay, enough, enough, let's go. 912 00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:18,074 Which in her mind, it really 913 00:35:18,158 --> 00:35:19,576 was a prison. 914 00:35:19,659 --> 00:35:21,995 Which she can't escape from. 915 00:35:22,078 --> 00:35:23,663 And a narrative starts to 916 00:35:23,747 --> 00:35:24,289 emerge that she can't take this, 917 00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:29,919 this is too much for her. 918 00:35:30,003 --> 00:35:31,963 The rumors at the end of 919 00:35:32,047 --> 00:35:33,065 their life was obviously the 920 00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:34,507 marriage was breaking apart. 921 00:35:34,591 --> 00:35:39,179 John was staying at the stanhope uptown. 922 00:35:39,262 --> 00:35:42,432 They were fighting incessantly. 923 00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,017 Had a volatile relationship. 924 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,436 And unfortunately, the cameras 925 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:47,854 were always there to record it. 926 00:35:47,937 --> 00:35:49,648 There were scenes that were 927 00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:51,441 captured on film of them 928 00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:52,859 squabbling in the park, shoving 929 00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:55,528 each other, arguing loudly. 930 00:35:55,612 --> 00:35:56,988 Apparently unaware of the fact 931 00:35:57,072 --> 00:35:58,365 that they were always being 932 00:35:58,448 --> 00:35:59,783 filmed. 933 00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:01,201 Having issues. 934 00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:03,411 And theirs were playing out in public. 935 00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:05,497 And I think a lot of the issues 936 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:10,960 had to do with the obligations 937 00:36:11,044 --> 00:36:11,878 of "George." 938 00:36:11,961 --> 00:36:13,046 His magazine is failing. 939 00:36:13,129 --> 00:36:14,714 The one thing that John has done 940 00:36:14,798 --> 00:36:17,008 in his life, which his name is 941 00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:17,842 clearly associated with. 942 00:36:17,926 --> 00:36:19,695 He doesn't know whether it's going to survive. 943 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,972 His marriage is falling apart. 944 00:36:23,056 --> 00:36:24,224 John is interested in 945 00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:25,141 starting a family. 946 00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:27,060 They're starting to talk about it. 947 00:36:27,143 --> 00:36:29,729 But Carolyn doesn't want to 948 00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:30,522 bring a child into the 949 00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:31,624 relationship the way it is now. 950 00:36:31,648 --> 00:36:33,149 I've learned that people have 951 00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:33,900 pretty much said everything 952 00:36:33,983 --> 00:36:36,820 there is to say about the two of 953 00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:38,405 them. 954 00:36:38,488 --> 00:36:39,698 Regardless of its truth. 955 00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:41,366 They went to marriage 956 00:36:41,449 --> 00:36:42,325 counseling because they love 957 00:36:42,409 --> 00:36:43,243 each other, and they were 958 00:36:43,326 --> 00:36:45,036 determined to make their 959 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,662 relationship work. 960 00:36:45,745 --> 00:36:47,080 You know, who knows what would 961 00:36:47,163 --> 00:36:48,331 have happened. 962 00:36:48,415 --> 00:36:51,334 There just wasn't enough time. 963 00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:05,849 John loved to fly. 964 00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:08,035 When you think about it, when 965 00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:10,145 you think about the intensity of 966 00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:12,272 the attention on John, flying up 967 00:37:12,355 --> 00:37:13,898 in the air is the one place 968 00:37:13,982 --> 00:37:18,236 where he can be left alone. 969 00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:21,239 Nobody wanted him to fly. 970 00:37:21,322 --> 00:37:21,823 Carolyn bessette wasn't crazy 971 00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:23,158 about it, either. 972 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:24,325 But toward the end of their 973 00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:29,956 lives, she started to like it. 974 00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:31,058 She said that, when they're up 975 00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:32,333 there together, it was when she 976 00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:33,585 felt closest to him. 977 00:37:33,668 --> 00:37:35,253 Because there were no paparazzi. 978 00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:36,337 There were no fans. 979 00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:43,428 It was just the two of them. 980 00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:46,931 On the night of July 16th, 981 00:37:47,015 --> 00:37:49,184 1999, jfk Jr. and Carolyn 982 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:50,327 bessette are planning to head to 983 00:37:50,351 --> 00:37:52,353 Cape Cod for the wedding of his 984 00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:53,354 cousin, Rory. 985 00:37:53,438 --> 00:37:56,024 Along with them is her sister, Lauren. 986 00:37:56,107 --> 00:37:57,108 It's a summer night. 987 00:37:57,192 --> 00:37:58,276 It's very hot and hazy. 988 00:37:58,359 --> 00:37:59,778 For whatever reason, they leave 989 00:37:59,861 --> 00:38:01,613 late. 990 00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:03,156 Carolyn had just gotten to 991 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:03,865 the airport. 992 00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:04,866 She was just calling to say they 993 00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:06,117 were ready to take off. 994 00:38:06,201 --> 00:38:08,369 And then she said, "I love you." 995 00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:10,038 And I said, "I know." 996 00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:11,790 Then by hung up. 997 00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:12,874 It's just heartbreaking. 998 00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:14,209 I mean, it just... you remember 999 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:14,959 the last thing you say to your 1000 00:38:15,043 --> 00:38:20,381 best friend. 1001 00:38:20,465 --> 00:38:23,218 The haze is really, really thick. 1002 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:24,886 And John is in the midst of 1003 00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:27,806 getting his instrument training. 1004 00:38:27,889 --> 00:38:29,641 So as it gets darker and 1005 00:38:29,724 --> 00:38:31,392 darker, that kind of sense of 1006 00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:35,688 vertigo starts to grow in the plane. 1007 00:38:35,772 --> 00:38:36,272 And we all know what happens 1008 00:38:36,356 --> 00:38:43,363 after that. 1009 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:50,745 It was midnight. 1010 00:38:50,829 --> 00:38:51,746 And the phone rang. 1011 00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:56,543 And it was John's friend. 1012 00:38:56,626 --> 00:38:58,503 He was at hyannis airport 1013 00:38:58,586 --> 00:38:59,337 waiting for them. 1014 00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:00,648 Just one of those moments where 1015 00:39:00,672 --> 00:39:02,924 the minute I heard his voice, I just knew. 1016 00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:04,926 He didn't even have to say anything. 1017 00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:08,012 I just thought, this doesn't 1018 00:39:08,096 --> 00:39:12,016 make sense, and I just started making calls. 1019 00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:12,851 It was pretty late. 1020 00:39:12,934 --> 00:39:14,602 I said, "Carol, it's Rose, 1021 00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:15,687 what's going on?" 1022 00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:17,772 And she said, "they haven't 1023 00:39:17,856 --> 00:39:18,356 landed, they're not here, 1024 00:39:18,439 --> 00:39:20,525 something's wrong." 1025 00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:22,610 You know, I remember Brian 1026 00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:25,196 steel saying afterwards, you 1027 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,367 know, "I knew right away. 1028 00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:32,203 John Kennedy's plane doesn't go missing." 1029 00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:33,705 I knew he was dead. 1030 00:39:33,788 --> 00:39:35,540 I knew that John didn't disappear. 1031 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:39,294 For days, we didn't know. 1032 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:40,879 I couldn't understand what 1033 00:39:40,962 --> 00:39:41,963 was going on. 1034 00:39:42,046 --> 00:39:44,424 And when I went up to 1035 00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:48,094 Connecticut, the mom was... she 1036 00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:50,096 had tried... cried so much, that 1037 00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:57,186 she couldn't sleep. 1038 00:39:58,646 --> 00:40:00,732 Abc news has learned that a 1039 00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:03,318 significant portion of the 1040 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:04,777 wreckage of Jon f. Kennedy's 1041 00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:05,778 plane has been found in the 1042 00:40:05,862 --> 00:40:07,739 waters off Martha's vineyard, 1043 00:40:07,822 --> 00:40:08,740 and that John F. Kennedy's body 1044 00:40:08,823 --> 00:40:12,285 is in it. 1045 00:40:12,368 --> 00:40:15,413 It was earth-shattering. 1046 00:40:15,496 --> 00:40:18,124 It was unbelievable. 1047 00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:19,459 It was as if the earth had 1048 00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:24,339 cracked in half somehow. 1049 00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:26,257 And when you think about his 1050 00:40:26,341 --> 00:40:26,925 father, right, his father had an 1051 00:40:27,008 --> 00:40:30,136 unfinished life. 1052 00:40:30,219 --> 00:40:32,597 And then in a strange way, John 1053 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,101 also had an unfinished life. 1054 00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:38,603 And so did Carolyn. 1055 00:40:38,686 --> 00:40:39,187 She was only 33 when she 1056 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,315 passed away. 1057 00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:43,608 Because of the tragic way her 1058 00:40:43,691 --> 00:40:46,027 life ended, she'll never grow old. 1059 00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:47,946 She'll never have to age. 1060 00:40:48,029 --> 00:40:49,697 Just this, like, frozen in time 1061 00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:52,867 image that people have. 1062 00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:54,994 Could they have a family? 1063 00:40:55,078 --> 00:40:57,038 Would he have been a good president? 1064 00:40:57,121 --> 00:40:58,706 There's always going to be a 1065 00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:01,000 sense of what-if, I think, with 1066 00:41:01,084 --> 00:41:01,626 John and Carolyn. 1067 00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:07,548 I think that my greatest fear 1068 00:41:07,632 --> 00:41:10,969 would be to be faint of heart. 1069 00:41:11,052 --> 00:41:13,221 And feel that, you know, I 1070 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,556 missed an opportunity, or you 1071 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,350 could have taken a path less 1072 00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,519 traveled that would have ended 1073 00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:20,478 into something completely 1074 00:41:20,561 --> 00:41:23,982 wonderful and unexpected. 1075 00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:25,233 There really was never 1076 00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:26,651 anybody like them before or 1077 00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:28,569 since. 1078 00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:30,321 They had a glamor, they had 1079 00:41:30,405 --> 00:41:33,324 style, they had tragedy. 1080 00:41:34,075 --> 00:41:35,535 They are an unfinished story. 68909

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