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What do you know? 4 00:00:26,944 --> 00:00:28,070 - Hello, Lou. - Hiya, baby. 5 00:00:28,237 --> 00:00:29,614 Say, Bennie, I got a new song. 6 00:00:29,780 --> 00:00:31,202 You don't mind if I use the piano, do ya? 7 00:00:31,365 --> 00:00:32,742 Go ahead. 8 00:00:32,908 --> 00:00:35,127 (man singing ) ♪ Papa... ♪ 9 00:00:35,285 --> 00:00:37,754 ♪ My inspiration is you... ♪ 10 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:44,461 (woman singing ) I Mama... ♪ 11 00:00:44,628 --> 00:00:46,756 Morton Downey, Jr.: Sit down, you fat bitch. 12 00:00:46,922 --> 00:00:49,596 - Listen, you. - Sit down! 13 00:00:57,015 --> 00:00:59,643 ( Cheering ) 14 00:01:01,436 --> 00:01:04,565 Morton Downey, Jr., I only hope you'd be 15 00:01:04,731 --> 00:01:06,733 as famous as your famous dad. 16 00:01:14,366 --> 00:01:16,460 Just one other question-- 17 00:01:16,618 --> 00:01:18,495 how much further can it go? 18 00:01:18,662 --> 00:01:20,664 Joey Reynolds: It became a cartoon. 19 00:01:20,831 --> 00:01:22,504 ( Roaring ) 20 00:01:22,666 --> 00:01:24,134 ( blade rings ) 21 00:01:28,171 --> 00:01:30,344 Glenn Beck: America is at a crossroads. 22 00:01:30,507 --> 00:01:33,852 We must advance or perish. 23 00:01:35,012 --> 00:01:37,891 Glenn Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, they're all people 24 00:01:38,056 --> 00:01:40,309 saying, you know, what's in their heart. 25 00:01:40,475 --> 00:01:42,477 I think Glenn Beck has become big 26 00:01:42,644 --> 00:01:44,942 because he's the only one telling the truth. 27 00:01:46,815 --> 00:01:49,819 Morton Downey is the folk hero of the United States. 28 00:01:49,985 --> 00:01:51,532 He stands up for what he believes in. 29 00:01:51,695 --> 00:01:53,322 He captures the heartbeat of America. 30 00:01:55,198 --> 00:01:57,701 Downey, Jr.: My audience finally selected a spokesman 31 00:01:57,868 --> 00:02:00,542 that identifies with their needs 32 00:02:00,704 --> 00:02:02,672 and with their dreams and with their frustrations. 33 00:02:02,831 --> 00:02:04,708 We're proud of this flag. 34 00:02:06,835 --> 00:02:09,179 I love those people. 35 00:02:09,338 --> 00:02:11,215 I'll do everything to protect them. 36 00:02:22,684 --> 00:02:25,403 Bob Pittman: I was the programmer who started MTV. 37 00:02:25,562 --> 00:02:28,907 If indeed we have 60 channels of television available 38 00:02:29,066 --> 00:02:31,285 to the American public 24 hours a day, 39 00:02:31,443 --> 00:02:33,696 everything that there is a significant interest in 40 00:02:33,862 --> 00:02:35,159 ought to be represented. 41 00:02:35,322 --> 00:02:37,825 What's curious to me is a lot of critics say, 42 00:02:37,991 --> 00:02:39,959 "Oh, we shouldn't offer that." I mean that's like saying, 43 00:02:40,118 --> 00:02:41,665 "We're only going to put these 20 books in the library 44 00:02:41,828 --> 00:02:44,547 because they're the only ones we can all agree upon are good books." 45 00:02:44,706 --> 00:02:46,879 MTV shook up what TV could be. 46 00:02:47,042 --> 00:02:49,591 We refused to live within 47 00:02:49,753 --> 00:02:52,597 the boundaries of what was thought of as TV. 48 00:02:52,756 --> 00:02:54,429 Good evening. It's time once again to play chicken. 49 00:02:54,591 --> 00:02:56,935 My name is Joe Pyne. We'll test your nerve in just a moment. 50 00:02:57,094 --> 00:02:58,812 But I didn't want to be Mr. MTV my whole life. 51 00:02:58,970 --> 00:03:00,938 I was 30 years old, 31 years old, 52 00:03:01,098 --> 00:03:03,692 and looking for more fun things to do 53 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:05,227 that I had never done before. 54 00:03:05,394 --> 00:03:07,522 Pyne: With us now is Jerry Rubin. 55 00:03:07,688 --> 00:03:10,237 He advocates disobedience of law. 56 00:03:10,399 --> 00:03:12,527 ( Audience booing ) 57 00:03:12,693 --> 00:03:14,536 Pittman: So I set out to find a new talk show. 58 00:03:16,571 --> 00:03:17,788 We started talking about it, you know, 59 00:03:17,948 --> 00:03:20,121 "Remember 'The Joe Pyne Show' from the '60s? 60 00:03:20,283 --> 00:03:22,081 No show like that on TV anymore." 61 00:03:22,244 --> 00:03:26,215 I dislike the fact that you went to Cuba as Castro's guest. 62 00:03:26,373 --> 00:03:29,126 You consort with the enemies of this country. 63 00:03:29,292 --> 00:03:32,011 This alone is reason enough to consider you a menace. 64 00:03:32,170 --> 00:03:35,140 - Taking a hard and fast opinion... - Pyne: You are a disruptor... 65 00:03:35,298 --> 00:03:37,801 - driving the opinion home. - Rubin: Do you wanna hear my views? 66 00:03:37,968 --> 00:03:38,969 No politeness. 67 00:03:39,136 --> 00:03:41,309 I think this is a circus and that you're a fool 68 00:03:41,471 --> 00:03:42,723 and we are not in any way discussing-- 69 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:45,859 You're a liar and a danger to the country. 70 00:03:46,017 --> 00:03:47,769 Pittman: Often, you know, you go back 71 00:03:47,936 --> 00:03:49,654 and recycle an idea, update an idea. 72 00:03:49,813 --> 00:03:51,440 ( Booing ) 73 00:03:51,606 --> 00:03:54,576 But it's dependent upon finding the person. 74 00:03:54,735 --> 00:03:58,035 (thunder rumbling ) 75 00:03:58,196 --> 00:04:00,290 Mort had been around radio, talk radio. 76 00:04:00,449 --> 00:04:02,793 Wally George: Morton Downey, Jr. 77 00:04:02,951 --> 00:04:06,251 Now, Morton-- I was on this guy's so-called 78 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:08,461 conservative radio show. 79 00:04:08,623 --> 00:04:11,046 I resent the charges you made 80 00:04:11,209 --> 00:04:14,338 saying that I was a disgrace to the conservative cause, 81 00:04:14,504 --> 00:04:15,881 that I didn't know what I was talking about. 82 00:04:16,047 --> 00:04:19,768 You are the one, baby, who are a conservative-come-lately. 83 00:04:19,926 --> 00:04:21,519 You're the phony! 84 00:04:21,678 --> 00:04:24,682 Pittman: Mort just understood performance. 85 00:04:24,848 --> 00:04:27,226 Now do you wanna hear some facts? 86 00:04:27,392 --> 00:04:30,145 I am the same kind of phony, Wally-- 87 00:04:30,312 --> 00:04:33,612 I am the same kind of phony, if you want to let me answer-- 88 00:04:33,774 --> 00:04:37,324 I'm the same kind of phony that you are. 89 00:04:37,486 --> 00:04:40,990 Pittman: How you turn everything into something theatrical. 90 00:04:41,156 --> 00:04:43,659 - Don't warn me, punk! - ( crowd yells ) 91 00:04:43,825 --> 00:04:46,328 Pittman: We met Mort in person and we go, 92 00:04:46,495 --> 00:04:47,872 "He could be good." 93 00:04:48,038 --> 00:04:51,133 Stay in your seat. Stay in your seat. 94 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:52,884 Pittman: He was good on the radio... 95 00:04:55,962 --> 00:04:59,011 but just made for television. 96 00:05:02,803 --> 00:05:04,931 ( Audience cheering ) 97 00:05:12,562 --> 00:05:13,779 Well, good evening, everybody. 98 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:15,566 How are ya? I'm Mort Downey, Jr., 99 00:05:15,732 --> 00:05:19,362 and as you're going to find out in the weeks, months, 100 00:05:19,528 --> 00:05:23,874 and years ahead, certain things really burn my buns, all right? 101 00:05:27,744 --> 00:05:30,418 One thing that's happening is the morality of this country 102 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:35,086 is on a low ebb and it's getting lower. 103 00:05:35,252 --> 00:05:37,004 It's not getting better. 104 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:39,218 It's getting worse. 105 00:05:39,381 --> 00:05:42,635 We're going to examine this topic tonight. 106 00:05:42,801 --> 00:05:45,896 And this is where the risers that you guys sat in were. 107 00:05:46,054 --> 00:05:48,102 And he would start kissing the first row of ladies. 108 00:05:50,976 --> 00:05:53,479 Mort just sort of tapped right into that 17-year-old 109 00:05:53,645 --> 00:05:56,819 male, you know, something. 110 00:05:56,982 --> 00:05:59,656 Where other 17-year-olds might be doing other stuff at night, 111 00:05:59,818 --> 00:06:02,037 I mean, we were driving to Secaucus 112 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:04,197 to go onto "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show." 113 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:05,536 ( chuckles ) 114 00:06:15,041 --> 00:06:17,510 It was a provocative show to deliberately provoke the guest 115 00:06:17,669 --> 00:06:20,388 and provoke confrontation. 116 00:06:20,547 --> 00:06:24,802 And he took it further than anyone that was on television. 117 00:06:25,802 --> 00:06:27,349 There's a war going on in the streets of America-- 118 00:06:27,512 --> 00:06:30,686 a war on drugs and the slime that sell them to our kids. 119 00:06:30,849 --> 00:06:32,692 Former Congressman, Ron Paul, 120 00:06:32,851 --> 00:06:34,819 how can you call for something un-American-- 121 00:06:34,978 --> 00:06:36,651 the legalization of drugs? 122 00:06:36,813 --> 00:06:38,986 Because I detest the use of drugs and I think we would 123 00:06:39,149 --> 00:06:41,902 have a lot less drugs used if they were legal. 124 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:44,491 I think it's part of the American system 125 00:06:44,654 --> 00:06:47,282 to let people make choices about their own personal habits. 126 00:06:47,449 --> 00:06:49,668 He knew how to manipulate. 127 00:06:49,826 --> 00:06:52,500 He could have been a serial killer. 128 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:54,505 Do you believe that the government should stay 129 00:06:54,664 --> 00:06:56,382 out of our personal business altogether? 130 00:06:56,541 --> 00:06:58,839 Well, it happens to be my-- all right, that's good, guys. 131 00:06:59,002 --> 00:07:00,675 It also happens to be my personal business 132 00:07:00,837 --> 00:07:03,010 if I want to kill my four-year-old kid, right? 133 00:07:03,173 --> 00:07:04,516 - Paul: No, no, no, no. - No? 134 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:05,846 Wait a minute, wait. You're giving-- 135 00:07:06,009 --> 00:07:08,558 you're giving libertarian a distorted explanation. 136 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,518 Rebecca Johnson: If you're not tethered to the facts, 137 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,853 that's incredibly entertaining. 138 00:07:13,016 --> 00:07:14,893 You can just say anything. 139 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:17,233 Yeah, yeah, you know, you're not tethered to the facts, right. 140 00:07:17,395 --> 00:07:21,116 But I will say this, Mort had amazing charisma on the set. 141 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:23,902 He related totally on an emotional level. 142 00:07:24,069 --> 00:07:25,491 There was no intellectual level for Mort. 143 00:07:25,654 --> 00:07:28,032 I'll stick to the issues, pal. 144 00:07:28,198 --> 00:07:30,667 If I had a slime like you 145 00:07:30,825 --> 00:07:33,374 in the White House, I'd puke on you. 146 00:07:33,536 --> 00:07:35,209 ( Cheering ) 147 00:07:35,372 --> 00:07:37,374 Who's for prohibition of alcohol in this room? 148 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:39,542 Who's for prohibition of alcohol? 149 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:41,586 Three people! 150 00:07:41,753 --> 00:07:44,927 He attacked a guest with a voracity 151 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:46,888 that was unbelievable and people loved him for it. 152 00:07:47,050 --> 00:07:50,145 I mean they-- they loved him for it. 153 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:52,897 We get high on the ideas of freedom. 154 00:07:53,056 --> 00:07:55,229 We get high because freedom is worth-- 155 00:07:55,392 --> 00:07:58,566 ( chanting ) Just say no! Just say no! 156 00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:02,574 You say no! You have the courage to do it. 157 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:06,111 I think I detect his voice changing. 158 00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:09,907 Maybe his cojones are getting small. 159 00:08:10,073 --> 00:08:12,542 And cut to a commercial. And I said, "Oh, my God!" 160 00:08:12,701 --> 00:08:13,918 That's the kinda class act-- 161 00:08:14,077 --> 00:08:16,125 And when you're changing channels and you land on that, 162 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:18,460 you tend to stop, like you say, at a car accident and go, 163 00:08:18,623 --> 00:08:20,751 "Oh, my God, let me watch this for a minute or two more." 164 00:08:20,917 --> 00:08:22,590 Before that, it was considered very uncool 165 00:08:22,752 --> 00:08:24,220 to be that abusive to a guest. 166 00:08:24,379 --> 00:08:27,007 Well, the other side of that was Phil Donahue. 167 00:08:29,926 --> 00:08:32,270 How in the world does a person become a foot model? 168 00:08:32,429 --> 00:08:33,806 And could you be one? 169 00:08:33,972 --> 00:08:36,066 When we come back, in just a moment. 170 00:08:37,434 --> 00:08:39,653 Richard Bey: The host would do an interview on the stage. 171 00:08:39,811 --> 00:08:42,405 Do you wear high heels? Hang on one second. 172 00:08:42,564 --> 00:08:44,191 Let me get some of the folks back here. 173 00:08:44,357 --> 00:08:45,904 Bey: Then run through the audience 174 00:08:46,067 --> 00:08:48,035 and get their fairly polite questions. 175 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:49,411 My question's for Herschel. 176 00:08:49,571 --> 00:08:51,289 I'd like to know what got you into ballet. 177 00:08:51,448 --> 00:08:53,450 And here are the fairly polite answers. 178 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:55,118 I need a hint. How do you get your husband 179 00:08:55,285 --> 00:08:58,129 to do anything around the house? 180 00:08:58,288 --> 00:08:59,380 You know... 181 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:03,294 Sally Jessy Raphael: I know what Downey was doing. 182 00:09:03,460 --> 00:09:05,428 He was ripping off 183 00:09:05,587 --> 00:09:09,012 every single aspect of Joe Pyne perfectly. 184 00:09:09,174 --> 00:09:12,895 How do you get the last drops of ketchup out of a bottle? 185 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:15,101 Pittman: We learned that TV was out of step 186 00:09:15,263 --> 00:09:16,640 with the American public. 187 00:09:16,806 --> 00:09:17,932 And what happens? 188 00:09:18,099 --> 00:09:20,101 All the ketchup is forced to the neck of the bottle. 189 00:09:20,268 --> 00:09:22,646 Pittman: That America, after Watergate, 190 00:09:22,812 --> 00:09:25,031 had given up this false politeness. 191 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:27,318 In the '80s, it was time for it to end. 192 00:09:27,484 --> 00:09:30,158 Downey, Jr.: Quarantine for a person with AIDS, even though we know 193 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,824 AIDS can only be caught basically in sexual ways? 194 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:36,118 Do you know that it has never been proven that AIDS 195 00:09:36,284 --> 00:09:38,286 can be sexually transmitted? 196 00:09:38,453 --> 00:09:40,171 It has never been proven in a laboratory. 197 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:41,923 No, I don't know that because 198 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:44,710 I've spoken to a number of people in the CDC. 199 00:09:44,876 --> 00:09:46,878 I'm in the middle of this, you ought to know that, Mort. 200 00:09:47,045 --> 00:09:49,218 I'm in the middle of research, have been for a number of years. 201 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:51,758 Downey, Jr.: Are you a research expert? Are you a research expert? 202 00:09:51,925 --> 00:09:53,222 Shut up and let me answer the question. 203 00:09:53,384 --> 00:09:56,012 You shut up. Are you a research expert? 204 00:09:56,179 --> 00:09:57,476 Are you a research expert? 205 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:00,017 - Why don't you shut up? - Why don't you shut up? 206 00:10:00,183 --> 00:10:02,356 All you're doing is spewing garbage. 207 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:04,487 Chris Elliott: I was attracted to that kind of awkward, 208 00:10:04,646 --> 00:10:06,273 dangerous atmosphere. 209 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:08,362 When he first came on the scene, 210 00:10:08,525 --> 00:10:10,994 I was immediately 211 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:13,200 sort of mesmerized by the show. 212 00:10:13,363 --> 00:10:14,740 Downey, Jr.: A "vecan"? 213 00:10:14,906 --> 00:10:17,750 A vegan, I abstain-- 214 00:10:17,909 --> 00:10:19,661 Downey, Jr.: Let me hear what she has to say here. 215 00:10:19,828 --> 00:10:21,830 Go ahead, you abstain from what? 216 00:10:21,996 --> 00:10:24,044 Yes, I abstain from all animal products, 217 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:27,336 including dairy and clothing. 218 00:10:27,502 --> 00:10:30,051 Downey, Jr.: And clothing? 219 00:10:30,213 --> 00:10:34,468 - I eat raw hamburger. - And what is your cholesterol? 220 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:36,728 I eat raw fish. 221 00:10:36,886 --> 00:10:40,015 I smoke four packs of cigarettes a day. 222 00:10:40,181 --> 00:10:44,106 I drink-- I have about four drinks a day. 223 00:10:44,269 --> 00:10:46,237 I'm 55 years old. 224 00:10:46,396 --> 00:10:48,865 And I look as good as you do, vegan. 225 00:10:49,023 --> 00:10:51,276 ( Audience cheering ) 226 00:10:54,028 --> 00:10:56,702 He was in your face. 227 00:10:56,865 --> 00:10:59,869 He was take-no-prisoners. 228 00:11:00,034 --> 00:11:01,251 What the hell is a feminist? 229 00:11:01,411 --> 00:11:04,085 I thought anyone who had breasts was a feminist. 230 00:11:04,247 --> 00:11:06,124 There are almost no feminists who have ever burned a bra, 231 00:11:06,291 --> 00:11:07,292 so let me get that straight-- 232 00:11:07,458 --> 00:11:09,051 There's almost no feminists who ever had anything 233 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:12,259 that they needed to wear a bra for. 234 00:11:12,422 --> 00:11:15,722 Between us, there was a certain amount of sexual tension. 235 00:11:15,884 --> 00:11:19,013 Likewise on your jockstrap, but in any case... 236 00:11:21,055 --> 00:11:22,307 How does she know? 237 00:11:22,473 --> 00:11:24,316 She has a tape measure on her tongue? 238 00:11:26,895 --> 00:11:29,398 I was used to being on "The MacNeil/Lehrer Hour," 239 00:11:29,564 --> 00:11:32,443 "Nightline," where everything was so dignified. 240 00:11:32,609 --> 00:11:34,657 To take up this issue is Alan Dershowitz, 241 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:37,117 a professor of law at Harvard University. 242 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,001 Alexander Hamilton once said that the civilization-- 243 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:44,379 All of a sudden, then, almost as, like-- 244 00:11:44,537 --> 00:11:47,461 like the yin and the yang, you had Morton Downey, Jr., 245 00:11:47,624 --> 00:11:49,626 identifying with a lot of the issues 246 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:51,214 that average, everyday people had. 247 00:11:51,377 --> 00:11:53,550 Don't listen to this guy. 248 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,807 - The prosecution-- - Listen to Professor Dershowitz. 249 00:11:55,965 --> 00:11:58,889 Dershowitz: --a prosecutor is not your lawyer. 250 00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:00,725 You had Downey yelling at these people 251 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:02,935 who you felt like yelling at sometimes. 252 00:12:03,097 --> 00:12:05,691 If I depended on a guy like you, 253 00:12:05,850 --> 00:12:07,818 New Jersey's preeminent lawyer, 254 00:12:07,977 --> 00:12:11,698 I'd find my ass in the crapper for the rest of my life. 255 00:12:11,856 --> 00:12:14,985 Raphael: Which is what all the reality shows today are based on. 256 00:12:15,151 --> 00:12:17,449 Who said this guy's New Jersey's preeminent lawyer? 257 00:12:17,612 --> 00:12:19,831 There is that prurient 258 00:12:19,989 --> 00:12:23,118 excitement of not nice people... 259 00:12:23,284 --> 00:12:25,503 White intellectual trash like you 260 00:12:25,662 --> 00:12:28,336 who don't know about the inner city. 261 00:12:28,498 --> 00:12:29,795 ...saying not nice things. 262 00:12:29,958 --> 00:12:32,837 When was the last time you looked in a mirror? 263 00:12:33,002 --> 00:12:35,380 It probably cracked. 264 00:12:35,546 --> 00:12:38,800 You weren't quite sure whether it was all set up 265 00:12:38,967 --> 00:12:41,811 or whether some of it was set up or whether it was all real. 266 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:43,096 Creamy homemade taste. 267 00:12:43,263 --> 00:12:44,856 Hello, everyone, I'm Maury-- 268 00:12:45,014 --> 00:12:46,516 Langan: Almost the first fan letter 269 00:12:46,683 --> 00:12:49,402 was from this Catholic high school in New Jersey. 270 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,528 ( Bell ringing ) 271 00:12:54,148 --> 00:12:57,402 Someone invited Mort to go to assembly 272 00:12:57,568 --> 00:13:00,367 where they were discussing "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show." 273 00:13:00,530 --> 00:13:03,124 Should it be on TV, shouldn't it be? 274 00:13:04,867 --> 00:13:06,585 ( Thumps, creaks ) 275 00:13:06,744 --> 00:13:09,998 We arrived at this Catholic high school. 276 00:13:13,710 --> 00:13:15,883 They just swarmed like he was the Beatles. 277 00:13:16,045 --> 00:13:18,423 ( Girls screaming ) 278 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:23,220 Mort turned to me and he goes, "Jesus Christ." 279 00:13:23,386 --> 00:13:25,434 He goes, "What's happened? What have I done? 280 00:13:25,596 --> 00:13:27,940 I'm a 55-year-old, middle-aged guy 281 00:13:28,099 --> 00:13:30,773 and I've got 14-year-old Catholic girls in skirts 282 00:13:30,935 --> 00:13:32,733 climbing on the hood of my car." 283 00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:35,614 And we all looked at each other and went, 284 00:13:35,773 --> 00:13:38,526 "Something's changed here." 285 00:13:38,693 --> 00:13:40,787 And we'd only been on the air for about a month. 286 00:13:47,452 --> 00:13:49,125 Morton Downey, Sr.: ls "Stormy Weather" all right? 287 00:13:54,542 --> 00:13:56,840 ♪ Don't know why ♪ 288 00:13:57,003 --> 00:13:59,472 ♪ There's no sun up in the sky ♪ 289 00:13:59,630 --> 00:14:02,258 ♪ Stormy weather ♪ 290 00:14:02,425 --> 00:14:07,397 ♪ Since my gal and I ain't together ♪ 291 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:10,024 ♪ It's raining all the time. ♪ 292 00:14:10,183 --> 00:14:13,813 Lloyd Schoonmaker: Mort's father was Morton Downey, Sr. 293 00:14:13,978 --> 00:14:16,777 Some people called him the first recording star in America. 294 00:14:19,442 --> 00:14:22,537 He had a beautiful voice. ♪ Oh, Danny boy, the pipes-- ♪ 295 00:14:22,695 --> 00:14:24,368 And my dad just loved him. 296 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:27,579 I want to sing for you here today a new one I call "Jericho." 297 00:14:27,742 --> 00:14:31,337 ( music playing ) 298 00:14:31,496 --> 00:14:34,500 ♪ Way, way back in the Bible days ♪ 299 00:14:34,665 --> 00:14:38,044 ♪ Though there was no craze for jazz... ♪ 300 00:14:39,545 --> 00:14:41,218 Schoonmaker: Mort's mother was a dancer, 301 00:14:41,381 --> 00:14:43,304 one of the Bennett sisters. 302 00:14:43,466 --> 00:14:47,516 A showbiz family, but a sadly broken family. 303 00:14:49,931 --> 00:14:51,683 His father was gone all the time. 304 00:14:55,853 --> 00:14:59,778 The father refused to let the mother have any contact with the son. 305 00:15:03,861 --> 00:15:06,364 I had asked him what his mother died of 306 00:15:06,531 --> 00:15:08,784 and he just says, "Alcoholism." 307 00:15:08,950 --> 00:15:11,999 He said his father drove her to drink. 308 00:15:13,204 --> 00:15:15,582 So, really, Mort was denied his mother. 309 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:19,002 Langan: He hated his father. 310 00:15:19,168 --> 00:15:21,512 He wanted to say that he sold more records than his father. 311 00:15:21,671 --> 00:15:23,048 Listen to this one. 312 00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:25,592 This is his first record, 313 00:15:25,758 --> 00:15:29,228 his debut, picked out an old standard to bring back. 314 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:30,980 - Will it be a hit... -( note rings) 315 00:15:31,139 --> 00:15:32,140 or a miss? 316 00:15:32,306 --> 00:15:35,606 Kelli Downey Cornwall: My dad was always trying to be a singer. 317 00:15:35,768 --> 00:15:37,816 And, you know, he didn't have 318 00:15:37,979 --> 00:15:40,073 my grandfather's voice. 319 00:15:40,231 --> 00:15:46,159 ♪ I walk along the street of sorrow ♪ 320 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,038 ♪ Sorrow, sorrow ♪ 321 00:15:48,197 --> 00:15:51,952 ♪ The boulevard of broken dreams ♪ 322 00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:53,495 ♪ Broken dreams ♪ 323 00:15:53,661 --> 00:15:56,335 ♪ Where Gigolo and Gigolette ♪ 324 00:15:56,497 --> 00:15:59,250 ♪ Can take a kiss without regret ♪ 325 00:15:59,417 --> 00:16:02,512 ♪ So they forget their broken dreams... ♪ 326 00:16:05,089 --> 00:16:07,433 What did you think of Morton's first effort? 327 00:16:07,592 --> 00:16:10,436 I loved it. I really did. I thought it was just wonderful. 328 00:16:10,595 --> 00:16:13,769 And I'm so glad that they picked an old song for him. 329 00:16:13,931 --> 00:16:16,559 He's got a very new type voice, 330 00:16:16,726 --> 00:16:20,196 modern, well, no, but he's very modern in his style. 331 00:16:20,354 --> 00:16:23,107 Now, did this young man impress you as a vocalist? 332 00:16:23,274 --> 00:16:24,901 Impressed me very much. 333 00:16:25,067 --> 00:16:27,286 I don't think he sounds anything like his father. 334 00:16:27,445 --> 00:16:30,289 He has a much bigger and a much deeper voice than his father. 335 00:16:30,448 --> 00:16:33,201 - Dean? - Hmm? 336 00:16:33,367 --> 00:16:35,711 Did I wake you? I'm sorry. 337 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:37,964 No, no, I was just thinking about this record. 338 00:16:38,122 --> 00:16:40,966 They didn't give this boy a chance, you know. 339 00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:42,593 Host: Why? What do you mean, Dean? 340 00:16:42,752 --> 00:16:44,846 This kid sings better than he does on the record, you know. 341 00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:47,553 You know it because they were rushing him. 342 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:49,809 And this is his first record. They stuck him in that 343 00:16:49,967 --> 00:16:51,969 echo chamber and they overdid it, you know. 344 00:16:52,136 --> 00:16:55,390 I think that the old man should have been there. 345 00:16:55,556 --> 00:16:57,809 All right, Morton Downey, Jr., 346 00:16:57,975 --> 00:17:00,819 I only hope you'd be as famous as your famous dad, 347 00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:02,480 'cause he was an all-time great. 348 00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:04,649 Thank you. Morton Downey, Jr. 349 00:17:17,495 --> 00:17:21,716 Somebody sent in an old "Time" magazine from like 1932 or '33, 350 00:17:21,874 --> 00:17:24,172 where the old man was on the cover of "Time," 351 00:17:24,335 --> 00:17:26,929 which is pretty cool. 352 00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:29,341 And someone mailed it and thought he might enjoy it. 353 00:17:29,507 --> 00:17:32,386 And I gave it to Mort 354 00:17:32,552 --> 00:17:34,304 and I realized he had some big issues there. 355 00:17:41,435 --> 00:17:43,779 He had a domineering father. 356 00:17:43,938 --> 00:17:46,361 I think he had a real reaction to that. 357 00:17:46,524 --> 00:17:49,027 ( Growling ) 358 00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:50,536 Mort was obsessed with saying, 359 00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:52,368 "I'm more famous than my father. 360 00:17:52,530 --> 00:17:53,907 I'm more famous. I'm more famous. 361 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:55,416 I make more money. 362 00:17:55,575 --> 00:17:58,044 You know, more Americans have seen me." 363 00:18:02,248 --> 00:18:05,843 When I came back an hour later, it looked like confetti. 364 00:18:08,879 --> 00:18:11,223 Cornwell: My dad was always trying to 365 00:18:11,382 --> 00:18:13,851 live up to his father, I think. 366 00:18:15,553 --> 00:18:17,055 Announcer: If you think prime-time sitcoms 367 00:18:17,221 --> 00:18:20,475 and soaps are a snooze and the movies bore you to tears, 368 00:18:20,641 --> 00:18:22,985 then watch the man who will excite you and incite you, 369 00:18:23,144 --> 00:18:24,396 Morton Downey, Jr. 370 00:18:24,562 --> 00:18:27,406 Weeknights at 9:00 p.m. on Channel Nine. 371 00:18:27,565 --> 00:18:32,321 Often, the self-destructive people are really entertaining. 372 00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:34,488 "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show" has been garnering 373 00:18:34,655 --> 00:18:37,033 the highest of ratings in the New York market. 374 00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:38,917 Starting Monday, the rest of the country 375 00:18:39,076 --> 00:18:42,125 will be able to sample his particular brand of television. 376 00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:45,167 It happened so fast. 377 00:18:45,333 --> 00:18:47,711 My God, he just-- he just arrived there. 378 00:18:47,877 --> 00:18:50,926 Usually you build these things up year after year after year. 379 00:18:51,088 --> 00:18:53,932 Morton Downey, Jr., just got his show syndicated. 380 00:18:54,091 --> 00:18:55,434 Well, l wish he had 381 00:18:55,593 --> 00:18:57,721 the same voice that his father had. 382 00:19:00,765 --> 00:19:03,109 Bey: He was on all the magazine covers. 383 00:19:04,435 --> 00:19:07,735 He was an icon already 384 00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:09,945 within a matter of months. 385 00:19:13,861 --> 00:19:15,329 Koch: I have watched this show 386 00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:17,286 and I personally would never be on it. 387 00:19:19,325 --> 00:19:22,955 He has what you can only describe in his audience as a lynch mob. 388 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,669 This is not Oprah. This is not Phil. 389 00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:28,175 This is Morton Downey. Okay, let's try it again. 390 00:19:28,334 --> 00:19:29,631 Good evening, everybody! 391 00:19:29,794 --> 00:19:32,388 Welcome to "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show"! 392 00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:34,548 David Kagan: They would let you in a few people at a time to make sure 393 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:36,638 they were getting a good mix of people in each area. 394 00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:38,303 First, you cared about just getting into the studio. 395 00:19:38,469 --> 00:19:40,062 And then you cared about getting the good seat. 396 00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:41,848 Let's have a good time. Let's rock and roll, you ready? 397 00:19:42,014 --> 00:19:45,143 The liberals! That's who you're talking about. 398 00:19:45,309 --> 00:19:47,152 You needed the aisle seat to be able to get to the mic. 399 00:19:47,311 --> 00:19:49,109 You could almost feel your heart pounding, 400 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:51,069 ready to go in there and, like, mix it up with everybody. 401 00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:54,615 My dad was backstage bouncing around, 402 00:19:54,777 --> 00:19:58,122 just getting so worked up, just so excited. 403 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,787 Well, we'd have this big 404 00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:07,673 boom, boom, boom, drum beat, right? 405 00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:13,220 Johnson: The minute he walked into the studio, 406 00:20:13,379 --> 00:20:15,848 it was like his cells started vibrating. 407 00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:18,350 ( Cheering ) 408 00:20:21,178 --> 00:20:22,680 Bey: Morton high-fives 409 00:20:22,847 --> 00:20:25,566 the people that are closest. 410 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:28,353 Grabs a pretty gal and gives her a big kiss. 411 00:20:31,564 --> 00:20:33,362 That energizes him. 412 00:20:33,524 --> 00:20:37,199 That, you know, he's taking their energy. 413 00:20:38,362 --> 00:20:41,616 Smoking cigarettes as if he needed any more stimulation. 414 00:20:42,867 --> 00:20:45,541 And then he'd explain what the topic was gonna be that night. 415 00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:50,966 In Shakespeare, you have iambic pentameter. 416 00:20:51,125 --> 00:20:53,378 It follows a beat. 417 00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:55,046 But sometimes there is something in there 418 00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:57,089 called a "caesura," which is a pause. 419 00:20:57,256 --> 00:20:59,224 Hey, Mom, do you know where your teenager is tonight? 420 00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:02,182 Is he just hanging around, huh? 421 00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:03,596 You know, let me tell you something-- 422 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:04,889 Bey: He wrote these pauses in 423 00:21:05,055 --> 00:21:07,183 because the audience was going to be yelling, 424 00:21:07,349 --> 00:21:09,397 "Kill the guy! I'm as mad as you are!" 425 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,904 I'll tell you what I'd do to him. 426 00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:14,235 - Should we hang this kid? - ( cheering ) 427 00:21:14,398 --> 00:21:17,072 You betcha! Die! 428 00:21:17,234 --> 00:21:19,236 Bey: The atmosphere was alive 429 00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:22,532 with the energy of the audience. 430 00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:24,575 Downey, Jr.: Join us and take that chair, sir. 431 00:21:24,742 --> 00:21:26,164 -( Booing ) - No, no. No, no. No, no. 432 00:21:26,327 --> 00:21:27,920 No, no. No, no. 433 00:21:28,078 --> 00:21:29,705 I'd appreciate-- I'd appreciate not doing that. 434 00:21:29,872 --> 00:21:32,091 Johnson: This was back when, you know, 435 00:21:32,249 --> 00:21:33,842 where else did you see Americans 436 00:21:34,001 --> 00:21:37,096 being passionate about capital punishment? 437 00:21:37,254 --> 00:21:40,724 Every member in the audience was happy to stand up 438 00:21:40,883 --> 00:21:43,887 at the quote, unquote, "Loudmouth" and say his or her piece. 439 00:21:44,053 --> 00:21:45,771 I wanna know how they would feel if somebody 440 00:21:45,930 --> 00:21:47,056 they loved were murdered. 441 00:21:47,223 --> 00:21:49,772 I feel that any murderer deserves death immediately 442 00:21:49,934 --> 00:21:52,403 and none of this baloney. 443 00:21:52,561 --> 00:21:55,064 The law of the land is that before we put somebody to death, 444 00:21:55,231 --> 00:21:57,450 we're going to check everything to make sure that it's right. 445 00:21:57,608 --> 00:21:59,030 - There's another issue-- - Is that true? 446 00:21:59,193 --> 00:22:01,036 What the hell's the other issue? 447 00:22:01,195 --> 00:22:03,948 Tell me the other issue, you pablum-puking fink. 448 00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:07,868 Reporter: In his quest to grab America's divided attention, 449 00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:11,915 Downey is turning unleashed rage into unlimited ratings. 450 00:22:12,081 --> 00:22:13,924 Why is a show like that so successful? 451 00:22:14,083 --> 00:22:16,962 Many people find his audience quite frightening. 452 00:22:17,127 --> 00:22:18,504 It's been called "The Beast." 453 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,344 People have compared it to a crowd gathering 454 00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:21,928 at a public hanging. 455 00:22:22,091 --> 00:22:24,219 Mr. Downey, I appreciate that you're trying 456 00:22:24,385 --> 00:22:25,511 to make a name for yourself. 457 00:22:25,678 --> 00:22:27,680 I'm not making a name, you asshole. 458 00:22:27,847 --> 00:22:30,350 Jonathan Alter: Talk shows have always realized studio audiences 459 00:22:30,516 --> 00:22:34,237 are important, but he's the first one that has turned 460 00:22:34,395 --> 00:22:37,148 them from an audience into a mob. 461 00:22:37,314 --> 00:22:39,442 I am not going to bring myself, nor the citizens-- 462 00:22:39,608 --> 00:22:41,485 Then get the hell off the stage. 463 00:22:41,652 --> 00:22:44,622 Get the hell off the stage. Get the hell out of here. 464 00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:46,999 You're a disgrace. 465 00:22:47,157 --> 00:22:49,660 You had the Roman Coliseum, and you had the crowd saying, 466 00:22:49,827 --> 00:22:51,044 "Get out of here, you're boring." 467 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:54,707 Downey, Jr.: if my producers think that I have to apologize for that, 468 00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:56,672 they can go straight to hell. 469 00:22:56,834 --> 00:22:58,677 I don't apologize for anything. 470 00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:02,806 Woman: Yes, this is "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show" 471 00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:05,844 calling to confirm your six tickets 472 00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:09,355 for tomorrow evening's taping at 7:00. 473 00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:11,231 Reporter: You waited about, what, two months for tickets? 474 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,482 Yeah, about that. 475 00:23:12,641 --> 00:23:14,894 Lagan: We'd look outside, you'd see people tailgating. 476 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:16,357 I remember seeing people snort coke 477 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,238 on the hood of a car before they came in. 478 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:20,866 He's great. He's sexy. 479 00:23:21,025 --> 00:23:23,369 He's not afraid to open his mouth. 480 00:23:23,527 --> 00:23:24,824 He's not afraid of anybody. 481 00:23:24,987 --> 00:23:26,864 Tom Shales, I remember, 482 00:23:27,031 --> 00:23:29,705 the famous TV critic for the "Washington Post," 483 00:23:29,867 --> 00:23:31,369 I thought he put it best in one of his reviews. 484 00:23:31,535 --> 00:23:33,583 He said, "'The Morton Downey, Jr. Show' 485 00:23:33,746 --> 00:23:35,419 is a talk show with a hockey audience." 486 00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:37,675 Audience: Mort, Mort, Mort, Mort. 487 00:23:39,251 --> 00:23:40,753 Downey, Jr.: Let me introduce home base 488 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,265 and of course, our "Loudmouth." 489 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,096 Shut up! 490 00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:49,888 I will not go for any of that crap. 491 00:23:50,054 --> 00:23:52,022 Zip it a second. Shut up! 492 00:23:52,181 --> 00:23:55,060 What are you laughing about? Just take the pictures. 493 00:23:55,225 --> 00:23:58,399 ♪ Mighty mouth, they say he's not kind... ♪ 494 00:23:58,562 --> 00:24:00,735 Halloween evening on "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show." 495 00:24:00,898 --> 00:24:02,741 Should they go? 496 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:04,777 Lloyd Kaufman: I saw the audience 497 00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:06,867 and the audience was pretty frightening. 498 00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:08,155 I was physically hurt, 499 00:24:08,322 --> 00:24:10,620 various neck and back injuries. 500 00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:13,081 There was clearly a physical assault on us. 501 00:24:13,243 --> 00:24:15,541 I was then known as the "Secaucus Slammer"... 502 00:24:17,373 --> 00:24:19,876 six years before "The Jerry Springer Show." 503 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,422 Jerry Springer's not like Mort. 504 00:24:24,588 --> 00:24:26,306 He don't got no backbone like Mort had. 505 00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:28,593 Mort would go right up in somebody's face and confront him. 506 00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:31,603 You who traitored on the United States. 507 00:24:31,762 --> 00:24:32,979 You traitor! 508 00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:34,856 Giegold: This studio was the first in the business 509 00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,564 to put people through a metal detector. 510 00:24:37,726 --> 00:24:39,820 Goldsmith: At the end of the night, you'd say to the guys, 511 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:42,107 "How are you doing?" "Well, we got like 16 knives." 512 00:24:42,272 --> 00:24:43,819 - 16 knives? - Brass knuckles. 513 00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:46,702 Brass knuckles. Who brings that stuff to a television show? 514 00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:48,453 They were ready for some controversy. 515 00:24:50,781 --> 00:24:53,625 If you guys and that other-- the gremlin over there 516 00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:56,128 like Japan so much, you can take this flag 517 00:24:56,286 --> 00:24:58,334 and shove it where it belongs. 518 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:00,295 It was also sort of perfect for 17-year-olds 519 00:25:00,457 --> 00:25:02,459 because it had no nuance at all. 520 00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:05,300 Everything was black or white, and 17-year-olds-- 521 00:25:05,462 --> 00:25:07,556 Forget those pablum-pukers! 522 00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:10,642 Rothman: Everything is either totally one thing 523 00:25:10,801 --> 00:25:12,849 or totally the other. There is no middle. 524 00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:15,640 We are America. We're number one! 525 00:25:15,806 --> 00:25:17,228 You know what I think? I think Donald Trump 526 00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:20,520 should take his board game and just go to hell. 527 00:25:22,396 --> 00:25:25,491 Stu Stein: Kids today can make a goofy YouTube video. 528 00:25:25,649 --> 00:25:30,029 I got an American car and it still runs just fine. Just fine. 529 00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:32,493 Stick it up on YouTube, get 10,000 hits, goes viral, 530 00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:34,829 and now they're, you know, the flavor of the day. 531 00:25:34,992 --> 00:25:37,120 Let's face it, we did it to ourselves, Mort. 532 00:25:37,286 --> 00:25:39,209 Stein: Whereas in our case, it was very simple. 533 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:40,748 Japan's gonna rule, Mort. 534 00:25:40,914 --> 00:25:42,837 Just go on TV, pretend you're somebody you're not, 535 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,593 and you got on TV for five minutes. 536 00:25:44,752 --> 00:25:45,844 - Zip it! - Damn right, Mort! 537 00:25:46,003 --> 00:25:47,550 And if Elvis was alive, why don't you book him 538 00:25:47,713 --> 00:25:49,807 on "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show" once? 539 00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:53,514 Cornwell: I don't want to say it was a cult 540 00:25:53,677 --> 00:25:55,350 'cause it wasn't a cult, 541 00:25:55,512 --> 00:25:57,139 but where did these people come from? 542 00:25:57,306 --> 00:25:58,307 Go ahead, pal. 543 00:25:58,474 --> 00:26:00,602 My name is Joseph McBratney and I'd like to speak 544 00:26:00,768 --> 00:26:03,567 to these two very ignorant men right here. 545 00:26:03,729 --> 00:26:05,731 Bey: It's shot in Secaucus. 546 00:26:06,899 --> 00:26:09,903 The Jersey characters are in that audience. 547 00:26:10,069 --> 00:26:11,696 Why? Why make it worse? 548 00:26:11,862 --> 00:26:14,035 They don't give a shit. 549 00:26:14,198 --> 00:26:16,667 "Real Housewives of New Jersey" and "Jersey Shore"... 550 00:26:16,825 --> 00:26:18,418 I'm not better than anyone. That's not what I'm saying. 551 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:22,207 Bey: ...use this very same confidence, assertion... 552 00:26:22,372 --> 00:26:23,999 Black, white, or Puerto Rican. 553 00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:26,464 Bey: ...that you find in the Jersey character. 554 00:26:26,627 --> 00:26:28,129 We ought to get out and vote, change it, 555 00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:30,593 and get these guys out of there and do what we gotta do. 556 00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:32,474 Bey: But before this you never saw-- 557 00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:35,227 unless they were on "Candid Camera"... 558 00:26:35,385 --> 00:26:37,183 I just don't believe that anyone like that 559 00:26:37,346 --> 00:26:39,223 has the right to breathe the same air that I do. 560 00:26:39,389 --> 00:26:41,892 ...real, real people on television. 561 00:26:42,059 --> 00:26:43,356 ...against American policies, 562 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:45,487 get the hell out of America if you don't like it. 563 00:26:45,646 --> 00:26:47,023 Downey, Jr.: This is the beginning... 564 00:26:47,189 --> 00:26:49,863 We've decriminalized cocaine. 565 00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:51,493 Downey, Jr.: ...of a great movement... 566 00:26:51,652 --> 00:26:53,074 You're despicable. You're a piece of shit. 567 00:26:53,237 --> 00:26:54,659 Downey, Jr.: ...of the people of this country... 568 00:26:54,822 --> 00:26:55,914 I don't sell my body. 569 00:26:56,073 --> 00:26:58,826 Downey, Jr.: ...taking this country back to ourselves, all right? 570 00:26:58,992 --> 00:27:01,040 You have no remorse right now! 571 00:27:01,203 --> 00:27:03,752 We've sent those people to Washington. 572 00:27:03,914 --> 00:27:06,008 They haven't done squat for us. 573 00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:08,043 Mort, I must tell you, you've made at least half a dozen 574 00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:10,304 converts in our control room. 575 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:13,181 Rise up, America! Rise up! 576 00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:15,684 It's clearly entertaining as hell. 577 00:27:15,843 --> 00:27:17,811 Beyond that, what is it? 578 00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:21,725 I'm after establishing a platform for the American 579 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:23,892 who has been unheard by his government. 580 00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:25,231 Good to see you. How you doing? 581 00:27:25,394 --> 00:27:27,647 - I watch you every night, buddy. - Thank you, pal. 582 00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:30,282 Allred: He saw himself as... 583 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,067 - Hi. Nice to meet you. - Hi, how are you? 584 00:27:32,234 --> 00:27:36,831 Allred: ...representative of the working man 585 00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:40,163 and that he should be the évocateur who understood their emotions 586 00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:43,829 and who helped to express their emotions. 587 00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:46,916 Director: Your right ear. That's good. 588 00:27:47,082 --> 00:27:49,835 Someone like me could be a frightening person. 589 00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:52,755 Someone like you could be a frightening person. 590 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:54,514 Most of us, of course, are just average, 591 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:56,596 everyday human beings like my audience is 592 00:27:56,758 --> 00:28:00,558 and we hope that the politicians become frightened of us. 593 00:28:03,223 --> 00:28:06,272 Melody Miller: I knew Morton Downey, Jr. as Sean. 594 00:28:06,435 --> 00:28:10,110 He didn't use his father's name when I knew him in the '60s. 595 00:28:17,863 --> 00:28:20,036 ( Silent ) 596 00:28:20,199 --> 00:28:22,497 On Cape Cod, Morton Downey, Sr., 597 00:28:22,659 --> 00:28:24,036 had a house out on Squaw Island, 598 00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:26,956 which was a hop, skip, and a jump from the Kennedy compound. 599 00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:38,975 Reporter: That is Morton Downey, the Irish tenor, 600 00:28:39,134 --> 00:28:40,477 talking to Mrs. Kennedy. 601 00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:43,139 Morton Downey has been a friend of the Kennedy family for years. 602 00:28:43,305 --> 00:28:46,900 Schoonmaker: So Mort grew up with some of the younger Kennedys. 603 00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:49,903 Reporter: Now Morton Downey is talking with the President. 604 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:52,823 Brother Robert, Attorney General, 605 00:28:52,981 --> 00:28:55,609 next to Morton Downey there. 606 00:28:55,776 --> 00:28:57,904 Miller: When Robert Kennedy died, 607 00:28:58,070 --> 00:29:00,414 there were so many different ways people expressed their grief. 608 00:29:01,949 --> 00:29:06,170 Sean expressed his by writing his small little book of poetry. 609 00:29:07,496 --> 00:29:10,420 Its title was "Quiet Thoughts Make the Loudest Noise." 610 00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:13,461 I thought that was a rather interesting title. 611 00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:15,925 Cornwell: He was always writing poems. 612 00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:18,557 His brain was always going constantly. 613 00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:23,554 You know, it was hard for him to just chill. 614 00:29:29,935 --> 00:29:33,940 "Row upon row of grief-wracked followers, 615 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:38,452 sunken cheeks replacing their years-ago happy faces, 616 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,534 sang proudly for their departed friend, 617 00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:43,290 their final hope; 618 00:29:43,448 --> 00:29:47,203 and wondered why a man must die to be a hero; 619 00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:49,542 and whether we honor only those 620 00:29:49,705 --> 00:29:52,049 our own selfish hearts destroy." 621 00:29:55,085 --> 00:29:56,632 This is the reception room 622 00:29:56,795 --> 00:30:00,720 and Sean is talking to Joan Kennedy, 623 00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:02,884 Ted Kennedy's wife. 624 00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:04,268 I'm there in the background 625 00:30:04,428 --> 00:30:06,851 talking with someone on the phone. 626 00:30:07,014 --> 00:30:09,483 Sean, as usual, was very well dressed. 627 00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,986 Sartorial splendor was one of his attributes. 628 00:30:15,314 --> 00:30:17,567 We had the election for Edward Kennedy 629 00:30:17,733 --> 00:30:20,782 to become majority whip in the Senate. 630 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:23,288 And this is the moment we got word that he won. 631 00:30:23,447 --> 00:30:24,915 ( Cheering ) 632 00:30:25,073 --> 00:30:27,246 There's Sean in the background. 633 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:33,674 Right here is the senator addressing all of us, 634 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:36,802 Sean standing in the doorway smiling at him. 635 00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:39,843 He supported the issues that Senator Kennedy 636 00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:41,382 was supportive of. 637 00:30:41,548 --> 00:30:44,347 So he was liberal on a number of things. 638 00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:50,357 It was hard to understand, really, how you could have been 639 00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:52,313 so for Robert and Edward Kennedy 640 00:30:52,476 --> 00:30:56,401 and then be so much against their positions. 641 00:30:56,563 --> 00:30:59,863 I was kind of in a quandary. 642 00:31:00,025 --> 00:31:03,370 He was a surrogate for an awful lot of people 643 00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:06,623 in representing their views and their attitudes. 644 00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:11,879 Good evening, class. 645 00:31:12,037 --> 00:31:14,916 All: Good evening, Mr. Downey. 646 00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:18,048 Buchanan: A lot of working-class folks... 647 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:20,429 Hey, welcome to your American history lesson, gang. 648 00:31:20,587 --> 00:31:23,887 Buchanan: ...have a desire for a conservative point of view. 649 00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:26,017 Sure as hell ain't attended one like this one tonight. 650 00:31:26,176 --> 00:31:29,100 They want to hear it because this is what they believe. 651 00:31:29,262 --> 00:31:32,141 The liberal policies of the Democratic Party 652 00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:34,059 have failed for 40 years. 653 00:31:36,103 --> 00:31:38,652 He did fulfill a desire of an awful lot of people 654 00:31:38,814 --> 00:31:39,940 'cause he got a huge audience. 655 00:31:40,107 --> 00:31:41,404 We're not leaving, 656 00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:43,239 so if you don't like the Pledge of Allegiance 657 00:31:43,402 --> 00:31:45,404 and you don't like prayer, you leave. 658 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:47,038 We're proud of this flag. 659 00:31:47,197 --> 00:31:49,746 Buchanan: Hannity, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck... 660 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,081 You can kiss my flag! 661 00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:56,165 They're not as crude as Mort was. 662 00:31:56,331 --> 00:31:59,130 But they are appealing to that same audience. 663 00:32:00,752 --> 00:32:03,426 You talk about the Tea Party today. 664 00:32:03,588 --> 00:32:05,932 Some of those working-class folks are exactly the people 665 00:32:06,091 --> 00:32:08,435 to whom he appealed-- 666 00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:12,939 the angry voices of people left behind. 667 00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:17,561 Stanley Crouch: You see on these shows, 668 00:32:17,727 --> 00:32:19,946 "We're already mad." 669 00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:22,278 That's why the system is all bottled up. 670 00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:24,443 "You might not be... 671 00:32:24,609 --> 00:32:27,112 but by the end of this hour, you'll be one of us." 672 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,078 Stephen Kruiser: This is a protracted battle, okay? 673 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,789 The left views politics as war 674 00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:35,420 and they are engaged 24/7, 675 00:32:35,579 --> 00:32:37,581 their foot is on the gas pedal 24/7. 676 00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:40,626 You're not going to convert a left-wing rally, okay? 677 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:43,136 But you can convert people individually. 678 00:32:43,295 --> 00:32:45,548 Crouch: That's where the Morton Downeys come in. 679 00:32:49,092 --> 00:32:52,266 They have an anger that's so magnetic... 680 00:32:52,429 --> 00:32:54,807 From Goldman Sachs to Merrill Lynch 681 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,192 who stole from us, the taxpayers. 682 00:32:57,350 --> 00:33:00,445 Crouch: ...it will just pull you to it. 683 00:33:00,604 --> 00:33:02,481 This is "The Herman Cain Show" 684 00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:06,072 live from Las Vegas, Nevada. 685 00:33:06,234 --> 00:33:08,612 Audiences react to conflict. 686 00:33:08,778 --> 00:33:11,076 More people will tune in if you've got conflict. 687 00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:13,867 And villains lend themselves and vilifying people 688 00:33:14,034 --> 00:33:16,412 lends itself to attracting a large audience. 689 00:33:16,578 --> 00:33:19,502 The liberals, they are frustrated 690 00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:23,840 because they can't find a head to this movement 691 00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:25,970 to cut off so they can kill it. 692 00:33:26,129 --> 00:33:29,224 There's a fine line between passion and anger. 693 00:33:29,382 --> 00:33:32,135 We are going to repeal Obama-care. 694 00:33:32,302 --> 00:33:35,977 Don't lose hope. Don't lose faith. We're gonna do it. 695 00:33:36,139 --> 00:33:39,143 Cain: Repeal that sucka! 696 00:33:39,309 --> 00:33:43,155 Every once in a while, you smile to let 'em know 697 00:33:43,313 --> 00:33:45,941 that you ain't mad at nobody. 698 00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:47,825 You just passionate, that's all. 699 00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:50,328 We want to reach more people. We want to communicate with more people. 700 00:33:50,487 --> 00:33:52,330 We want to change hearts and minds out there. 701 00:33:52,489 --> 00:33:54,162 Skip Murphy: As long as you're up front about it, 702 00:33:54,324 --> 00:33:56,122 that you're not trying to tell your audience 703 00:33:56,284 --> 00:34:00,005 you're one thing and then you're actually something else. 704 00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:02,586 Isn't this typical 705 00:34:02,749 --> 00:34:05,844 of a left-wing pablum-puking jerk? 706 00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:08,505 Your critics would say that your popularity is based 707 00:34:08,672 --> 00:34:10,766 on the fact that you're appealing to the worst elements 708 00:34:10,924 --> 00:34:12,767 - of human nature-- - I totally disagree with that. 709 00:34:12,926 --> 00:34:16,100 Gumbel: --to jealousy, to anger, to pettiness. 710 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,609 Morton Downey is in the business of implicitly 711 00:34:20,767 --> 00:34:23,361 selling hatred and people are buying it. 712 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,864 Well, is there something in the nature of television 713 00:34:26,022 --> 00:34:28,696 that calls forth characters like this periodically? 714 00:34:28,858 --> 00:34:31,236 Only a few generations have been granted the role 715 00:34:31,403 --> 00:34:34,828 of defending freedom in its maximum hour of danger. 716 00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:37,038 Uh, yeah, ratings. 717 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,952 You are that generation. 718 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,998 That is your role. This is that moment. 719 00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:47,169 Bey: There's always been a longing 720 00:34:47,335 --> 00:34:50,885 among, you know, some portion of the American public 721 00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:53,891 for somebody who speaks for them. 722 00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:58,180 ♪ O'er the land of the free... ♪ 723 00:34:58,346 --> 00:35:00,849 Bey: If you speak for these people 724 00:35:01,016 --> 00:35:04,316 and allow them to speak their mind... 725 00:35:04,477 --> 00:35:06,400 ♪ And the home of the brave. ♪ 726 00:35:06,563 --> 00:35:08,031 Bey: ...they love you for it. 727 00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:10,066 Announcer: Morton Downey, our national anthem. 728 00:35:10,233 --> 00:35:12,986 Of course, his father, a great Irish tenor. 729 00:35:15,697 --> 00:35:18,541 Let me ask you, has your dad ever sang the national anthem? 730 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:20,373 Uh, yeah, Pop sang the national anthem 731 00:35:20,535 --> 00:35:22,128 at the Democratic National Convention, 732 00:35:22,287 --> 00:35:24,415 God bless him, and I'm sorry that he sang it 733 00:35:24,581 --> 00:35:26,959 at the Democratic Convention. Too bad it wasn't the Republican. 734 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:31,926 I mean, how did this happen? Gosh, it's disappointing. 735 00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:33,761 I think Senator Kennedy was disappointed. 736 00:35:33,923 --> 00:35:35,550 He was kind of put off. 737 00:35:35,717 --> 00:35:38,186 ( Theme music playing ) 738 00:35:38,345 --> 00:35:40,518 Sean would call up and say, "Did you see the show?" 739 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,933 And I would say, you know, "Ed and I disagreed 740 00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:45,101 with everything you said almost." 741 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,866 He would say that he had just "evolved." 742 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:54,953 Cornwell: He worked for many, many years 743 00:35:55,111 --> 00:35:57,409 trying to find his niche, 744 00:35:57,572 --> 00:35:59,950 figure out where he fit. 745 00:36:00,116 --> 00:36:02,244 ( Pinging ) 746 00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:05,380 I remember from the time I was a little kid, 747 00:36:05,538 --> 00:36:07,131 him always wanting to sing. 748 00:36:11,795 --> 00:36:14,093 Schoonmaker: We started a group called Turquoise. 749 00:36:14,255 --> 00:36:16,599 It was just he and I. 750 00:36:16,758 --> 00:36:18,635 And, uh, we did a song 751 00:36:18,802 --> 00:36:20,304 called "Lonely Man." 752 00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:22,939 ♪ Hello, lonely man ♪ 753 00:36:23,098 --> 00:36:26,477 ♪ Sitting all alone ♪ 754 00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:29,442 ♪ In your thick-walled home... ♪ 755 00:36:29,604 --> 00:36:31,106 Schoonmaker: We had our little single 756 00:36:31,272 --> 00:36:33,400 and jumped in his van... 757 00:36:33,566 --> 00:36:35,284 ♪ See him light a star ♪ 758 00:36:35,443 --> 00:36:38,993 ♪ And take a spaceship to the moon... ♪ 759 00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:42,876 Schoonmaker: ...traveled all through California going to radio stations. 760 00:36:45,286 --> 00:36:47,755 And they're playing the thing. 761 00:36:47,914 --> 00:36:50,463 We had a great time. It was a hell of a trip. 762 00:36:53,128 --> 00:36:56,598 I can't really say that he was conservative or liberal. 763 00:36:57,966 --> 00:36:59,639 ( Coughing ) 764 00:36:59,801 --> 00:37:02,475 He would seem to go in either direction. 765 00:37:07,642 --> 00:37:09,895 Whatever seemed to work at the time. 766 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:14,820 Mort wasn't gay or anything, but on the road 767 00:37:14,983 --> 00:37:17,111 Lloyd would actually sleep in the same bed with Mort 768 00:37:17,277 --> 00:37:19,371 just to keep him company. But they're totally straight. 769 00:37:19,529 --> 00:37:21,372 ( Crickets chirping ) 770 00:37:21,531 --> 00:37:24,410 Schoonmaker: He really attached himself to me. 771 00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:28,706 I was something he could hang onto, 772 00:37:28,872 --> 00:37:30,670 almost like his blanket. 773 00:37:32,542 --> 00:37:34,510 Cornwell: He just was always looking 774 00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:39,140 for acceptance and for love. 775 00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:44,388 ♪ I got a right to live... ♪ 776 00:37:44,554 --> 00:37:47,558 Reynolds: He had a record 777 00:37:47,724 --> 00:37:49,567 and he was touting it. 778 00:37:49,726 --> 00:37:51,194 He came to Syracuse, New York-- 779 00:37:51,352 --> 00:37:53,855 I was a young disc jockey-- 780 00:37:54,022 --> 00:37:56,275 and he was a character and a half. 781 00:37:56,441 --> 00:37:58,785 And I said, "Why don't you come do the morning show?" 782 00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:01,071 And he took the job as the morning man. 783 00:38:01,237 --> 00:38:03,285 Downey, Jr.: Tough type of Thursday on the Mad Lad Swing-a-Thing, 784 00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:07,749 Morton Downey with you till 8:00, "Our Everlasting Love." 785 00:38:07,911 --> 00:38:10,460 Reynolds: We were doing Top 40 radio 786 00:38:10,622 --> 00:38:13,375 and we were talking a lot about people who were 787 00:38:13,541 --> 00:38:14,758 acting out on television. 788 00:38:14,918 --> 00:38:17,262 Do what you want. You wanna walk away? 789 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:19,798 He and I had a little chat about Joe Pyne. 790 00:38:19,964 --> 00:38:22,717 Remember Joe Pyne? 791 00:38:22,884 --> 00:38:25,262 We thought he was a jerk-- 792 00:38:25,428 --> 00:38:28,398 a successful jerk. 793 00:38:28,556 --> 00:38:30,934 He got everybody's attention. 794 00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:34,070 We've got to get involved. We've got to get our hands dirty. 795 00:38:34,229 --> 00:38:36,357 The only thing that we can do 796 00:38:36,523 --> 00:38:39,402 to save these unborn children. 797 00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:42,537 Reynolds: Downey decided that if he could be the person 798 00:38:42,695 --> 00:38:44,948 who was outrageous, controversial, 799 00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:46,582 he would get the most attention. 800 00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:49,039 ( Cheering ) 801 00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:51,455 He was on the air and he started taking phone calls 802 00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:52,838 and arguing with people. 803 00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:58,754 Downey, Jr.: The Democratic Party is opposed to life. 804 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,764 After he saw the way people were reacting and acting, 805 00:39:01,923 --> 00:39:04,676 he catered to it to be bigger and more popular. 806 00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:08,930 Goldsmith: You have reversed the position you took 807 00:39:09,097 --> 00:39:11,395 only six months ago. What caused you to come around? 808 00:39:11,558 --> 00:39:13,777 I really want to see how they respond, all right? 809 00:39:13,935 --> 00:39:15,187 Goldsmith: He would go over the show with me. 810 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:16,445 He'd go in the cafeteria and eat his food. 811 00:39:16,604 --> 00:39:18,527 Okay, segment one, you got your segment one card? 812 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,988 - ( Coughing ) - Poor Jimmy. 813 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:22,447 Get a raincoat for Jim. 814 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:24,157 With a bottle-- every meal was a bottle of ketchup. 815 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,947 Langan: And put the cigarette out in the mashed potatoes. 816 00:39:26,114 --> 00:39:27,787 Exactly, and then he'd say, "Okay, tell me the story. 817 00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:28,950 What's this show tonight?" 818 00:39:29,117 --> 00:39:31,961 I understand they're talking about taking the new housing-- 819 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,337 the low-income housing-- 820 00:39:33,496 --> 00:39:35,840 and placing it in the middle-class neighborhoods. Am I correct? 821 00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:38,843 Goldsmith: Mort had an audio graphic memory. 822 00:39:39,002 --> 00:39:42,131 Everything in the northeast is lily-white. 823 00:39:42,297 --> 00:39:44,391 Two on stage, three on Mort. 824 00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:48,554 When you're living in lily-white Pound Ridge? 825 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,189 Goldsmith: When he went on the set, he would repeat verbatim... 826 00:39:51,347 --> 00:39:52,894 The obvious question here is 827 00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:56,652 does the opposition to the NAACP suit represent an attempt 828 00:39:56,811 --> 00:39:58,984 to keep blacks out of white neighborhoods? 829 00:39:59,147 --> 00:40:01,275 Goldsmith: ...what we had told him two hours before. 830 00:40:01,441 --> 00:40:03,193 Downey, Jr.: The obvious question here 831 00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,111 is does the opposition to the NAACP 832 00:40:05,278 --> 00:40:08,703 represent an attempt to keep blacks out of white neighborhoods? 833 00:40:08,865 --> 00:40:10,242 No, uh, you see... 834 00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:13,161 We would figure out, "Okay, this is gonna be your position on this topic." 835 00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:15,376 How come none of those wealthy neighborhoods 836 00:40:15,538 --> 00:40:16,585 get some of that housing? 837 00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:19,592 Then he would go out there and argue that position like nobody else. 838 00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:22,550 There are 200,000 units, all right? 839 00:40:22,712 --> 00:40:24,055 Units available in New York City 840 00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:25,760 that are run-down, that are beat up. 841 00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:26,925 - Maybe, maybe. - No, not maybe. 842 00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:28,263 It was a great act. 843 00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:31,054 Oh, please tell me because you look homeless. 844 00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:33,689 If you're gonna make fun of me, Mort, I don't have to be on your show. 845 00:40:33,848 --> 00:40:36,226 You don't? Good. Good night. Good night. Good night! 846 00:40:36,392 --> 00:40:38,235 Goldsmith: Mort was arguing with a guy 847 00:40:38,394 --> 00:40:41,398 and then I'm between the two of them and this guy was furious. 848 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:44,363 Get out of here! 849 00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:45,868 Johnson: It was almost like he was 850 00:40:46,027 --> 00:40:48,075 spitting on you when he was yelling at you sometimes. 851 00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:51,741 Goldsmith: The guy's furious. He believes this is gonna happen, 852 00:40:51,908 --> 00:40:53,751 that he's gonna fight with Mort. 853 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:55,332 We walked out the studio, the three of us. 854 00:40:55,495 --> 00:40:58,214 We get outside. Mort goes, "You did a great job." 855 00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:07,924 Cornwell: There were times where 856 00:41:08,091 --> 00:41:09,718 I would hate to watch the show 857 00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:13,559 because it was so... violent. 858 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,820 I didn't like seeing that side of him, I guess, 859 00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:27,282 because that's not the person I was raised with. 860 00:41:29,737 --> 00:41:32,331 He was never like that 861 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:33,992 unless he was on camera. 862 00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:45,758 Langan: He played "the angry populist." 863 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,422 Johnson: We call it "populism" sometimes. 864 00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:49,807 I really think it's more envy. 865 00:41:53,803 --> 00:41:55,601 All cultures are basically pyramids 866 00:41:55,763 --> 00:41:58,312 and there are very few people on the top. 867 00:41:58,474 --> 00:42:00,818 And all the people on the bottom are kind of angry. 868 00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:06,483 "Why am I not a star? Why am I not--?" 869 00:42:06,649 --> 00:42:09,493 "The reason I'm not a star is because the system screwed me." 870 00:42:09,652 --> 00:42:11,654 Exactly, it's the system. It's not me. 871 00:42:11,821 --> 00:42:13,789 Yeah, it's "the man" kept-- held me down. 872 00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:16,167 - Right, exactly. - And Mort tapped into that. 873 00:42:16,325 --> 00:42:18,999 Once you've decided on the act 874 00:42:19,162 --> 00:42:21,961 and once you've written down the confines of the act, 875 00:42:22,123 --> 00:42:25,047 if you stand out and say "I'm a tree" long enough, 876 00:42:25,209 --> 00:42:26,677 you get leaves. 877 00:42:26,836 --> 00:42:29,134 You have been described as a nice guy who pretends to be 878 00:42:29,297 --> 00:42:31,800 a right-wing maniac. 879 00:42:31,966 --> 00:42:34,389 Now, what do you find offensive with that statement? 880 00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:37,101 The word "pretend." 881 00:42:37,263 --> 00:42:40,813 Buchanan: He did not look like the child of a Hollywood star. 882 00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:43,899 He came off, quite frankly, as authentic. 883 00:42:44,062 --> 00:42:46,485 This is what you do in show business. 884 00:42:46,647 --> 00:42:49,526 I mean, you got people riled up. 885 00:42:49,692 --> 00:42:52,366 It was an act, just the way Sean Hannity is an act, you know. 886 00:42:52,528 --> 00:42:54,872 But I was an act, too, 887 00:42:55,031 --> 00:42:57,750 you know, to some degree. 888 00:42:57,909 --> 00:43:01,630 You know, I mean... 889 00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:03,210 it's television. 890 00:43:05,374 --> 00:43:08,002 You are what people perceive you are, all right? 891 00:43:08,169 --> 00:43:10,797 If you believe I'm a phony, that's entirely up to you. 892 00:43:10,963 --> 00:43:12,385 I know I'm telling the truth. 893 00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:13,891 I know that I tell the truth about myself. 894 00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:15,472 I bet you can't stand in the same mirror 895 00:43:15,635 --> 00:43:18,013 I've stood in, baby. I bet you can't. 896 00:43:27,105 --> 00:43:28,778 "Hello there, big shot, 897 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:31,864 makin' out you got what you ain't got." 898 00:43:32,026 --> 00:43:33,448 ( buzzing ) 899 00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:36,785 "Puttin' on an act that even fools yourself. 900 00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:39,246 People detest you. 901 00:43:40,576 --> 00:43:44,046 You are nothing but a mirror of your own inflated ego. 902 00:43:45,331 --> 00:43:47,254 (water bubbling ) 903 00:43:47,416 --> 00:43:50,841 We go through life staring at the self-same glass. 904 00:43:51,003 --> 00:43:53,097 What an ass." 905 00:43:53,256 --> 00:43:55,179 Elliott: "Gold watch, gold rings, 906 00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:57,560 fuchsia, and fur things; 907 00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,391 if your countenance shines so bright, 908 00:43:59,554 --> 00:44:02,524 why the tinsel reflecting your light? 909 00:44:02,682 --> 00:44:03,979 Look again, fool. 910 00:44:04,142 --> 00:44:07,487 It falls to a narrowing shadow at your sidewalk-clicking heels." 911 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:09,864 ( applause ) 912 00:44:13,151 --> 00:44:15,574 "How sad the looking glass, 913 00:44:15,736 --> 00:44:17,830 that, empty, stares back 914 00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:20,663 and echoes, 915 00:44:20,825 --> 00:44:23,248 'Hello, big shot."' 916 00:44:24,287 --> 00:44:26,506 ( audience chanting ) Chris, Chris, Chris! 917 00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:35,424 (sighs ) 918 00:44:38,259 --> 00:44:39,260 I'm okay. 919 00:44:39,427 --> 00:44:42,351 All right, we've got quite a topic for you tonight, folks. 920 00:44:42,513 --> 00:44:44,436 This one's hot. Say hello to David Letterman. 921 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,943 -( Booing ) - All right, give him a chance. 922 00:44:47,101 --> 00:44:49,729 Give him a chance. Give him a chance. 923 00:44:49,896 --> 00:44:52,649 Have you had a dermatologist look at those things on your face? 924 00:44:52,815 --> 00:44:54,863 Wait a second, buddy. 925 00:44:55,026 --> 00:44:56,528 Send him back to Russia! 926 00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:58,913 Back to the Russkies! 927 00:44:59,071 --> 00:45:02,041 Schoonmaker: So I was over at a friend's house. 928 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,873 The guy said, "By the way, 929 00:45:04,035 --> 00:45:05,787 didn't you know that Morton Downey, Jr.?" 930 00:45:05,953 --> 00:45:08,456 And I said, "Yeah." 931 00:45:08,623 --> 00:45:10,796 "Well, he's got a TV show." 932 00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:13,211 So I watched it. It was-- and I said, 933 00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:15,300 "Holy shit." 934 00:45:15,463 --> 00:45:16,806 So I called him 935 00:45:16,964 --> 00:45:19,217 and he-- "Oh, got to come back and work for me, Lloyd. 936 00:45:19,383 --> 00:45:21,727 You can't believe what's happening." 937 00:45:21,886 --> 00:45:23,684 Cornwell: Lloyd was always trying to make it. 938 00:45:23,846 --> 00:45:25,974 My dad was always trying to make it. 939 00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:27,858 When my dad felt that he had, 940 00:45:28,017 --> 00:45:29,644 he really wanted Lloyd there with him. 941 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:32,484 (singing ) 942 00:45:35,858 --> 00:45:38,327 Schoonmaker: I'd always have my guitar 943 00:45:38,486 --> 00:45:40,955 and I'd pull it out and we'd start singing folk songs. 944 00:45:43,658 --> 00:45:45,831 He said, "Why don't we do an album? 945 00:45:45,993 --> 00:45:47,666 'Morton Downey Jr. Sings."' 946 00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:51,837 I said, "Sure." 947 00:46:00,424 --> 00:46:03,348 I walked in-- here's this bumpkin from California 948 00:46:03,511 --> 00:46:06,765 and all of a sudden I'm next to Mort. 949 00:46:06,931 --> 00:46:08,774 I got a weird feeling. 950 00:46:14,063 --> 00:46:17,112 We have some of the kids from the Association to Benefit Children. 951 00:46:17,275 --> 00:46:19,698 Are they the homeless of the next generation? 952 00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:21,407 Any of you want to come home and live with me 953 00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:23,572 and my Doberman Pinscher? 954 00:46:26,701 --> 00:46:30,547 My dad was married to my mother for 13 or so years. 955 00:46:30,705 --> 00:46:32,548 And that's my wife over there. Where's my wife? 956 00:46:32,707 --> 00:46:35,335 Kimmy, stand up. Stand up, honey. 957 00:46:35,501 --> 00:46:36,753 Stand up. 958 00:46:36,919 --> 00:46:39,388 Cornwell: He was married to Kim for 13 years also. 959 00:46:39,547 --> 00:46:42,926 Downey, Jr.: And next to her is my daughter, Kelli, all right? 960 00:46:43,092 --> 00:46:44,264 That's my daughter Kelli. 961 00:46:44,427 --> 00:46:46,270 That seemed to be the number 962 00:46:46,429 --> 00:46:49,103 that it ended unfortunately. 963 00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:52,893 Schoonmaker: I moved in with Mort 964 00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:55,609 and his wife Kim 965 00:46:55,771 --> 00:46:58,240 in a house in Englewood, New Jersey. 966 00:47:01,777 --> 00:47:04,906 I would sit on the couch with Mort's dog, Senator, with me... 967 00:47:07,158 --> 00:47:09,331 working on songs on the album. 968 00:47:10,786 --> 00:47:12,038 Coming up with them slowly. 969 00:47:15,458 --> 00:47:18,132 Schoonmaker: There's the real Morton Downey. 970 00:47:18,294 --> 00:47:20,797 You put this shit in the trunk? 971 00:47:20,963 --> 00:47:23,842 Schoonmaker: Thought I was gonna get a career in music. 972 00:47:24,884 --> 00:47:28,388 This would be my catalyst. 973 00:47:28,554 --> 00:47:30,431 Every night we would go out to the limo 974 00:47:30,598 --> 00:47:32,100 and then race into the city 975 00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:34,985 and we'd go to Stringfellow's or Elaine's. 976 00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:39,315 ♪ The summer's gone ♪ 977 00:47:39,482 --> 00:47:42,782 ♪ And all the leaves are dying... ♪ 978 00:47:45,363 --> 00:47:48,833 Langan: While very much married to Kim, 979 00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:50,709 he enjoyed the fact that for the first time in his life, 980 00:47:50,868 --> 00:47:53,872 he could get laid pretty much at will 'cause he was on TV. 981 00:47:54,038 --> 00:47:57,087 He was 50 and he was kind of in a suspended, 982 00:47:57,249 --> 00:47:59,672 you know, adolescence, so he was going for the 20-year-old. 983 00:47:59,835 --> 00:48:02,213 He would take me out to dinner 984 00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:06,226 and a beautiful young woman would be there. 985 00:48:06,384 --> 00:48:08,887 It was a very awkward position to be put in 986 00:48:09,053 --> 00:48:12,398 'cause he wasn't divorced from Kim yet. 987 00:48:12,556 --> 00:48:15,355 I'd kept a diary with a microphone 988 00:48:15,518 --> 00:48:17,316 on my little cassette saying, 989 00:48:17,478 --> 00:48:20,072 "You can't believe what the fuck happened today." 990 00:48:20,231 --> 00:48:23,360 "I don't think this girl is really interested in you." 991 00:48:23,526 --> 00:48:25,574 "Shut the fuck up, Lloyd, I'm gonna do this anyway." 992 00:48:31,659 --> 00:48:33,912 Langan: His then-wife Kim, when we got in the limo... 993 00:48:34,078 --> 00:48:35,079 Eh...? 994 00:48:35,246 --> 00:48:36,247 ...she did kick him in the shins 995 00:48:36,414 --> 00:48:39,384 from the other side of the back seat. 996 00:48:39,542 --> 00:48:41,544 ( Roars ) 997 00:48:43,629 --> 00:48:46,007 At which point he went after her physically 998 00:48:46,173 --> 00:48:48,972 and if I hadn't been there to grab his-- he was gonna punch her. 999 00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:51,224 I threw him over the hood of the car. 1000 00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:52,730 I said, "You wanna take a punch at somebody, 1001 00:48:52,888 --> 00:48:54,686 take a punch at me." 1002 00:48:54,849 --> 00:48:56,817 There was some anger towards women. 1003 00:48:56,976 --> 00:49:00,071 I don't know where that began, but it was there. 1004 00:49:00,229 --> 00:49:02,402 Kellie Everts: I had been invited 1005 00:49:02,565 --> 00:49:04,363 to do "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show." 1006 00:49:04,525 --> 00:49:08,155 On the show, it's just strippers and belly dancers. 1007 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,458 So here she is with her top off. 1008 00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:17,288 Then it occurred to me I was better than her. 1009 00:49:21,709 --> 00:49:23,757 I just took off my top. 1010 00:49:26,422 --> 00:49:28,595 "Oh, wow, they really like me." 1011 00:49:33,429 --> 00:49:36,228 Cut. Cut. We'll be back in just a minute. 1012 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:38,734 He said, "You did a good thing. You did a good thing." 1013 00:49:38,893 --> 00:49:40,895 And all of a sudden he's all happy, 1014 00:49:41,061 --> 00:49:44,691 like we're working as a team to create entertainment, yeah? 1015 00:49:44,857 --> 00:49:47,827 But now, in the next moment, he's brutalizing me. 1016 00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:49,953 I'd love you to try to beat me, honey. 1017 00:49:50,112 --> 00:49:53,412 I'd show you how to kick the living shit out of a broad. 1018 00:49:53,574 --> 00:49:55,451 I'm sick and tired of guys like you 1019 00:49:55,618 --> 00:49:56,915 calling us bimbos and whores. 1020 00:49:57,077 --> 00:49:58,579 Sit down, you fat bitch. 1021 00:49:58,746 --> 00:50:00,373 - Listen, you. - Sit down! 1022 00:50:00,539 --> 00:50:02,212 Everts: He was like fucking me. 1023 00:50:02,374 --> 00:50:05,048 Sit down. Sit down. Sit down! 1024 00:50:05,211 --> 00:50:08,260 He was saying, "I can fuck you and I can knock you down." 1025 00:50:10,382 --> 00:50:12,476 Goldsmith: Controversy for Mort was, 1026 00:50:12,635 --> 00:50:14,478 "You make your living on your back, 1027 00:50:14,637 --> 00:50:17,015 you don't have the right to exist in this country." 1028 00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:19,104 Langan: Said the man who loved hookers. 1029 00:50:21,060 --> 00:50:22,858 Downey, Jr.: Let me hear Denise. She's been trying to say something. 1030 00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:26,490 I just wanted to say that I feel like this business 1031 00:50:26,649 --> 00:50:28,447 has the potential to show 1032 00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:30,452 how beautiful the human body is. 1033 00:50:30,611 --> 00:50:33,956 He'd meet girls and he'd say, "You can be my producer." 1034 00:50:34,114 --> 00:50:35,991 Where's your microphone? 1035 00:50:36,158 --> 00:50:38,001 Johnson: This girl quit her job. 1036 00:50:39,954 --> 00:50:41,331 She's got the big blonde hair and the big tits 1037 00:50:41,497 --> 00:50:42,794 and she's like, "I'm ready for work." 1038 00:50:45,584 --> 00:50:48,884 She came into the office in tears. 1039 00:50:49,046 --> 00:50:50,923 Mort had called her into the bathroom 1040 00:50:51,090 --> 00:50:54,515 and asked her to hold his penis while he peed. 1041 00:50:54,677 --> 00:50:57,521 I remember that, too. Unfortunately, I do as well. 1042 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,478 - Yeah, I do. - Oh, my God. That was so dark. 1043 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,018 And that was the really sort of-- ugh. 1044 00:51:02,184 --> 00:51:03,936 Johnson: He was a pathological liar. 1045 00:51:04,103 --> 00:51:07,698 - But that's who he really was. - The abyss was opening up. 1046 00:51:07,856 --> 00:51:10,826 Good afternoon, I'm Ernie Anastos and here's what's happening. 1047 00:51:10,985 --> 00:51:13,113 She says she was kidnapped 1048 00:51:13,279 --> 00:51:15,873 and raped by six white men. 1049 00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:18,659 Man: Whenever a black woman complains about a white man 1050 00:51:18,826 --> 00:51:23,332 raping her, the black woman must be penalized. 1051 00:51:23,497 --> 00:51:27,047 Crouch: Tawana Brawley was a teenager 1052 00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:30,713 who claimed to have been kidnapped by these white guys, 1053 00:51:30,879 --> 00:51:33,553 some of whom were police officers, 1054 00:51:33,716 --> 00:51:36,765 and repeatedly raped and sodomized. 1055 00:51:39,555 --> 00:51:42,354 Boggs: They raped her in Wappingers, New York. 1056 00:51:42,516 --> 00:51:45,816 They wrote racial epithets on her body. 1057 00:51:45,978 --> 00:51:48,401 They smeared her body with feces. 1058 00:51:48,564 --> 00:51:51,738 And then they left her for dead. 1059 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,528 Crouch: Al Sharpton and two lawyers 1060 00:51:54,695 --> 00:51:56,697 took over the case. 1061 00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:03,788 I have been privileged to be involved in this case. 1062 00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:06,833 I've been privileged to be an advisor 1063 00:52:06,999 --> 00:52:09,297 and a spokesman for Tawana Brawley. 1064 00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:11,633 Allred: There was quite a bit of stir 1065 00:52:11,795 --> 00:52:13,923 about who had raped her, 1066 00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:15,466 whether it was true. 1067 00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:18,261 I'm not a liar and I'm not crazy. 1068 00:52:18,427 --> 00:52:20,020 I simply just want justice 1069 00:52:20,179 --> 00:52:22,147 and then I want to be left alone. 1070 00:52:22,306 --> 00:52:24,559 That was the perfect kind of story 1071 00:52:24,725 --> 00:52:26,819 for Morton Downey. 1072 00:52:26,977 --> 00:52:30,322 It is amazing to me that you could do Morton Downey's show 1073 00:52:30,481 --> 00:52:32,154 and call something I do a circus. 1074 00:52:32,316 --> 00:52:34,614 Boggs: Mort and Al Sharpton became very close. 1075 00:52:34,777 --> 00:52:37,530 I agree. You always have to have a fat clown. 1076 00:52:39,323 --> 00:52:40,324 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. 1077 00:52:40,491 --> 00:52:42,835 We're coming back to the Tawana Brawley case. 1078 00:52:42,993 --> 00:52:44,040 Stay with us. 1079 00:52:44,203 --> 00:52:46,376 They saw something in each other they were using. 1080 00:52:46,538 --> 00:52:49,417 Tonight, Reverend Al Sharpton. 1081 00:52:49,583 --> 00:52:51,677 Boggs: Mort saw it for what it was-- a ratings grabber. 1082 00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:54,054 - A brutal racial rape. - Johnson: It had sex, it had race. 1083 00:52:54,213 --> 00:52:56,466 - Langan: Had it all. - Johnson: It had it all. 1084 00:52:56,632 --> 00:52:58,976 The story is developing every single minute. 1085 00:52:59,134 --> 00:53:02,263 We needed material. So let's do the Tawana case again. 1086 00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:05,308 "I have a new angle on it." 1087 00:53:05,474 --> 00:53:07,147 "I found the box that she was in." 1088 00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:08,936 "I met her sister." 1089 00:53:11,021 --> 00:53:12,648 Goldsmith: Mort Downey certainly squeezed 1090 00:53:12,815 --> 00:53:16,661 every bit of blood and rancor 1091 00:53:16,819 --> 00:53:18,821 out of Tawana Brawley's story. 1092 00:53:22,533 --> 00:53:25,332 My name is Steven Pagones. 1093 00:53:25,494 --> 00:53:27,997 I am the individual who was accused 1094 00:53:28,163 --> 00:53:31,633 of rape and kidnapping of Tawana Brawley. 1095 00:53:35,003 --> 00:53:37,347 Not only did I not have anything 1096 00:53:37,506 --> 00:53:39,349 to do with Tawana Brawley, 1097 00:53:39,508 --> 00:53:41,476 but there was absolutely no evidence 1098 00:53:41,635 --> 00:53:44,764 to support these outrageous allegations. 1099 00:53:46,306 --> 00:53:48,650 Dershowitz: Tawana Brawley's advocates 1100 00:53:48,809 --> 00:53:52,404 would have been laughed out of any grand jury. 1101 00:53:52,563 --> 00:53:54,611 There are no repercussions 1102 00:53:54,773 --> 00:53:57,617 for making yourself look like a total fool 1103 00:53:57,776 --> 00:53:59,528 on talk television. 1104 00:53:59,695 --> 00:54:01,368 ( Tone beeping ) 1105 00:54:01,530 --> 00:54:04,830 So it was a perfect vehicle. 1106 00:54:09,037 --> 00:54:10,505 I'm tired of them acting big. You ain't nothing. 1107 00:54:10,664 --> 00:54:12,917 You a punk faggot. Now come and do something. 1108 00:54:13,083 --> 00:54:15,552 You ain't nothing. Why don't you shut up? 1109 00:54:15,711 --> 00:54:18,055 Yelling at your old ladies. Yell at me, punk. 1110 00:54:18,213 --> 00:54:19,806 Johnson: We made Al Sharpton. 1111 00:54:19,965 --> 00:54:21,717 - Langan: 100%. - Goldsmith: Yes, we did. Yes. 1112 00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:29,600 So let me give you a challenge. 1113 00:54:29,767 --> 00:54:32,566 Pagones: I remember hearing Morton Downey represent 1114 00:54:32,728 --> 00:54:34,275 that I would be on his show the next day 1115 00:54:34,438 --> 00:54:37,567 if Sharpton agreed to bring Tawana Brawley the next day. 1116 00:54:37,733 --> 00:54:39,952 Why don't you have Steven Pagones? 1117 00:54:40,110 --> 00:54:41,703 - Why don't you bring Tawana? - I'll bring Tawana. 1118 00:54:41,862 --> 00:54:43,910 - Bring Tawana. - Zip it and tell me what day. 1119 00:54:44,072 --> 00:54:46,746 I want them here tomorrow! 1120 00:54:46,909 --> 00:54:49,287 DiBenedetto: The whispers around there were, "Reverend Al Sharpton's 1121 00:54:49,453 --> 00:54:51,797 going to be here and he's bringing Tawana Brawley." 1122 00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:02,599 And we waited and waited and waited. 1123 00:55:05,552 --> 00:55:09,602 To pass the time, Mort was making an album 1124 00:55:09,765 --> 00:55:12,985 - called "Morton Downey, Jr. Sings..." -( laughter) 1125 00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:14,986 and he said he had his guitarist friend there 1126 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:17,864 who was helping him with this album, and if we wouldn't mind, 1127 00:55:18,023 --> 00:55:20,151 would we mind listening to some of these songs. 1128 00:55:20,317 --> 00:55:22,319 We sat there listening to probably 1129 00:55:22,486 --> 00:55:23,738 one of the only Morton Downey, Jr. concerts. 1130 00:55:24,905 --> 00:55:27,033 It's a shame the tape wasn't running that day. 1131 00:55:53,642 --> 00:55:55,815 And a lot of the audience had to leave after a couple hours 1132 00:55:55,978 --> 00:55:58,197 because they eventually wound up standing us up. 1133 00:56:03,694 --> 00:56:06,664 Al, you told me the next day Tawana Brawley would be here. 1134 00:56:06,822 --> 00:56:09,496 - That's not-- no, no. - Don't touch my hand! 1135 00:56:23,547 --> 00:56:25,220 I went up to Sharpton, I said, "What's wrong with you, Al? 1136 00:56:25,382 --> 00:56:26,929 How could you say this?" He goes, "Don't worry about it. 1137 00:56:27,092 --> 00:56:28,344 It's good for me. It's good for your ratings. 1138 00:56:28,510 --> 00:56:29,682 It's good for everybody. Relax." 1139 00:56:29,845 --> 00:56:30,846 That's exactly what he said to me. 1140 00:56:31,013 --> 00:56:33,516 I spoke to Pagones. He was more than willing to be here. 1141 00:56:33,682 --> 00:56:35,935 In fact, nobody ever called me or asked me about it. 1142 00:56:36,101 --> 00:56:39,230 It's kind of a Joe McCarthy-esque thing 1143 00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:41,865 like when you watch McCarthy in films, 1144 00:56:42,024 --> 00:56:45,028 you actually can see him get excited. 1145 00:56:46,361 --> 00:56:49,205 "There are 30 Communists in the House of Representatives. 1146 00:56:49,364 --> 00:56:50,832 No, no, no! 1147 00:56:50,991 --> 00:56:53,414 There are 60 Communists in the House of Representatives. 1148 00:56:53,577 --> 00:56:56,126 No, there are 90!" 1149 00:56:56,288 --> 00:56:59,007 It's sort of a wave that people like to get caught in. 1150 00:56:59,166 --> 00:57:01,464 We understand Mr. Downey can now be almost coming 1151 00:57:01,627 --> 00:57:04,722 at a theater near you, right? You're taking it on the road. 1152 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,180 We're opening at the Apollo Theater in a few weeks. 1153 00:57:08,342 --> 00:57:09,889 ( Cheering ) 1154 00:57:10,052 --> 00:57:12,555 Goldsmith: We did the show at the Apollo Theater. 1155 00:57:12,721 --> 00:57:14,564 The premise was Tawana Brawley. 1156 00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:21,863 Crouch: When he went that far, 1157 00:57:22,022 --> 00:57:23,615 was no release of the tension. 1158 00:57:25,943 --> 00:57:28,867 If you've ever been in a riot-- I have been in one. 1159 00:57:29,029 --> 00:57:31,327 I was in one on the Downey show. 1160 00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:33,959 Downey, Jr.: Cool it and sit down, please. 1161 00:57:34,117 --> 00:57:35,369 Go ahead, sir. 1162 00:57:35,535 --> 00:57:37,708 My name is Stanley Crouch. I'm a writer. 1163 00:57:37,871 --> 00:57:40,624 Mr. Sharpton, you have been criticized 1164 00:57:40,791 --> 00:57:43,670 by every black persuasion of leadership in New York. 1165 00:57:43,835 --> 00:57:47,806 Once it starts, it's hard for people to get out of it. 1166 00:57:47,965 --> 00:57:51,390 And they can't get out of it until they're actually spent. 1167 00:57:51,551 --> 00:57:54,930 It was alleged that she was smeared all over with feces. 1168 00:57:55,097 --> 00:57:57,270 - Lie. - That's a lot of crap. 1169 00:57:57,432 --> 00:57:59,855 - This man says a lot of crap. - Brother, you had your chance! 1170 00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:01,770 Brother, brother, no. 1171 00:58:01,937 --> 00:58:04,110 Hell, no! Hell, no! 1172 00:58:11,113 --> 00:58:13,707 Downey, Jr.: Get him out of here. Get him out of here. 1173 00:58:13,865 --> 00:58:17,039 Get him out of here. Please, get out of here. 1174 00:58:17,202 --> 00:58:19,796 God bless you and thank you for being my friend. 1175 00:58:21,832 --> 00:58:24,301 Take it easy or I'm gonna make you take it easy, all right? 1176 00:58:24,459 --> 00:58:26,757 I said to myself, "This has gone too far now." 1177 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,593 This is only a fucking talk show. 1178 00:58:28,755 --> 00:58:30,302 What the fuck is wrong with him? 1179 00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:32,012 Give me an open mic. 1180 00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:34,348 We're going to continue with the show. 1181 00:58:34,511 --> 00:58:35,979 Boggs: Downey was saying to the audience... 1182 00:58:36,138 --> 00:58:38,311 We're not going to give the press a chance-- 1183 00:58:38,473 --> 00:58:39,975 "...to say that we're a bunch of idiots." 1184 00:58:40,142 --> 00:58:41,485 After he said that, he ran offstage, 1185 00:58:41,643 --> 00:58:43,520 got me on the phone, and said, "Boggs, God damn it, 1186 00:58:43,687 --> 00:58:44,939 we need some publicity for this. 1187 00:58:45,105 --> 00:58:46,948 I can't keep these people riled up all night." 1188 00:58:51,445 --> 00:58:53,664 Crouch: From the outside it looked like a fight. 1189 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,794 From the inside, it looked like a party. 1190 00:59:05,667 --> 00:59:09,012 Eventually it turned out that she hadn't been kidnapped. 1191 00:59:09,171 --> 00:59:10,593 This is no hoax. 1192 00:59:10,756 --> 00:59:14,181 It is the only-- it is the ugly truth. 1193 00:59:14,342 --> 00:59:17,391 Pagones: The grand jury concluded 1194 00:59:17,554 --> 00:59:21,024 she made up some horrific story. 1195 00:59:21,183 --> 00:59:23,982 She did some horrific things to herself. 1196 00:59:24,144 --> 00:59:25,771 Robert Abrams: There was no evidence 1197 00:59:25,937 --> 00:59:29,817 that a sexual assault was committed. 1198 00:59:29,983 --> 00:59:33,032 It's very difficult to sit down with your children, 1199 00:59:33,195 --> 00:59:35,448 especially when three of them are girls, 1200 00:59:35,614 --> 00:59:38,959 and explain to them, "There were people who were 1201 00:59:39,117 --> 00:59:41,290 accusing your daddy 1202 00:59:41,453 --> 00:59:43,126 of being a monster." 1203 00:59:48,502 --> 00:59:50,971 Hey. 1204 00:59:54,466 --> 00:59:57,310 Reynolds: He was the number one guy on television 1205 00:59:57,469 --> 00:59:59,392 and we hadn't talked in a long time. 1206 00:59:59,554 --> 01:00:02,182 And he said, "Hey, pal, you got to come up here." 1207 01:00:03,975 --> 01:00:05,648 We'll check this place out, all right? 1208 01:00:05,811 --> 01:00:07,484 Is he going to do your show? 1209 01:00:07,646 --> 01:00:09,899 Eventually, if I go trash. 1210 01:00:11,733 --> 01:00:13,906 Reynolds: He got very self-centered. 1211 01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:16,743 He orders whiskey sours. 1212 01:00:16,905 --> 01:00:18,828 I don't drink. 1213 01:00:18,990 --> 01:00:21,038 He then called some girls to come to the room. 1214 01:00:21,201 --> 01:00:24,922 I don't womanize. I was a married guy and I was faithful. 1215 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,924 He went into the rehearsal hall 1216 01:00:28,083 --> 01:00:30,882 and there were the chorus girls rehearsing. 1217 01:00:31,044 --> 01:00:34,048 They're all giddy 'cause Morton Downey, Jr. walked in 1218 01:00:34,214 --> 01:00:36,262 and I was, of course, with him 1219 01:00:36,424 --> 01:00:38,097 and feeling like a real hot shit. 1220 01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:40,763 Man: Look at the young couple sitting here. 1221 01:00:40,929 --> 01:00:43,773 Reynolds: He picked out Lori. 1222 01:00:43,932 --> 01:00:46,435 Cornwell: She had beautiful blue eyes. 1223 01:00:47,477 --> 01:00:50,856 She was, you know, a struggling dancer. 1224 01:00:51,022 --> 01:00:52,615 I was like, "What are you doing?" 1225 01:00:52,774 --> 01:00:55,072 Man: Kelli, say something intelligent if you can. 1226 01:00:55,235 --> 01:00:56,782 I don't know if she was playing hard to get 1227 01:00:56,945 --> 01:01:00,119 or if she really in the beginning wasn't interested. 1228 01:01:00,282 --> 01:01:03,752 Or if that was part of what made her so appealing to him. 1229 01:01:05,495 --> 01:01:08,715 Reynolds: From then on, it was "Lori, Lori, Lori, Lori." 1230 01:01:10,417 --> 01:01:12,670 He didn't care about anything else. 1231 01:01:12,836 --> 01:01:15,339 The producers would say to me, "What is she trying to do?" 1232 01:01:15,505 --> 01:01:18,509 And I said, "I don't know that she realizes 1233 01:01:18,675 --> 01:01:20,769 that he is totally obsessed." 1234 01:01:23,263 --> 01:01:25,311 Langan: She was the cause of a lot of heartache for Kim 1235 01:01:25,473 --> 01:01:27,567 because he started cheating while very much married to Kim. 1236 01:01:27,726 --> 01:01:29,899 Downey, Jr.: Who predicted I'd get divorced? 1237 01:01:30,061 --> 01:01:31,938 Oh, yeah. 1238 01:01:32,105 --> 01:01:33,823 My ex-wife is watching the show tonight. 1239 01:01:33,982 --> 01:01:36,952 You gave me 10 great years and I enjoyed 'em, so... 1240 01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:39,363 ( audience applauds ) 1241 01:01:41,948 --> 01:01:45,623 But watch what I do with the next 10, baby! 1242 01:01:45,785 --> 01:01:49,164 Reynolds: His whole life at that time was trying to please Lori. 1243 01:01:49,331 --> 01:01:53,177 (singing ) 1244 01:01:53,335 --> 01:01:56,259 One time somebody said, "Well, she's just trying to get his money." 1245 01:01:56,421 --> 01:02:00,176 ♪ I'd get down here on bended knee ♪ 1246 01:02:00,342 --> 01:02:03,972 ♪ Only you... ♪ 1247 01:02:04,137 --> 01:02:07,357 Mort was purchasing a multimillion-dollar condo. 1248 01:02:10,268 --> 01:02:11,815 "Lori's gonna have her knickknacks here 1249 01:02:11,978 --> 01:02:14,697 and I'm gonna put this and we're gonna do this and this and this." 1250 01:02:14,856 --> 01:02:16,529 Downey, Jr.: Lori's dressing table. 1251 01:02:16,691 --> 01:02:18,864 The stuff that Lori wants will go here. 1252 01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:23,790 Reynolds: Yet Lori, she didn't care about the money. 1253 01:02:23,949 --> 01:02:26,828 Man: One beautiful, tall blonde comes with the apartment. 1254 01:02:28,161 --> 01:02:29,378 Reynolds: The bills were piling up. 1255 01:02:29,537 --> 01:02:32,882 Downey, Jr.: One, two, three glass statues. 1256 01:02:33,041 --> 01:02:36,511 He owed $50,000 to this credit card company 1257 01:02:36,670 --> 01:02:39,924 and he said, "Oh, fuck it," 1258 01:02:40,090 --> 01:02:42,639 and he'd grab the bill and just throw it in the trash. 1259 01:02:42,801 --> 01:02:46,180 Downey, Jr.: And we have the clown mask there. 1260 01:02:48,181 --> 01:02:49,808 - "Inside Edition." - How are you, sir? 1261 01:02:49,975 --> 01:02:53,070 He didn't like to talk about anything somebody could call him on. 1262 01:02:53,228 --> 01:02:56,072 - Get the fuck away from me. - He'd just go into a rage. 1263 01:02:56,231 --> 01:02:58,780 Hey! We're trying to do a story. 1264 01:02:58,942 --> 01:03:03,368 You pull a sneak-up bit of shit on someone else, cocksucker. 1265 01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:05,077 Pittman: He would always after these episodes say, 1266 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,619 "I know I let you down. I shouldn't have done that." 1267 01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:12,415 Downey, Jr.: That's tough shit! You want the kinda prick that I am? 1268 01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:15,629 I'll rip your fucking lungs out, motherfucker. 1269 01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:17,465 - Try me. - I'll touch whatever I want. 1270 01:03:17,627 --> 01:03:19,846 - Bystander: Get him, Mort. - Bystander #2: You tell him, Mort. 1271 01:03:20,005 --> 01:03:22,929 Try me, you cunt-lipped bastard! 1272 01:03:23,091 --> 01:03:25,890 Pittman: it was sad to find a man that talented 1273 01:03:26,052 --> 01:03:28,305 who could not control himself. 1274 01:03:31,266 --> 01:03:32,939 I tried to appeal to the logic of, 1275 01:03:33,101 --> 01:03:35,729 "At the end of the day, Mort, I have other things in my life. 1276 01:03:35,895 --> 01:03:38,694 I have other ways to make money. I do make money in other ways. 1277 01:03:38,857 --> 01:03:40,109 This is your life." 1278 01:03:43,611 --> 01:03:45,989 He just needed the money. 1279 01:03:46,156 --> 01:03:47,954 Langan: We used to do these weekend gigs where he-- 1280 01:03:48,116 --> 01:03:50,289 where he made more money doing that than he did the show. 1281 01:03:52,162 --> 01:03:55,132 Schoonmaker: We'd go to college after college and we felt like rock stars. 1282 01:03:56,833 --> 01:03:58,961 When we had our small plane, 1283 01:03:59,127 --> 01:04:02,051 we would travel everywhere. 1284 01:04:02,213 --> 01:04:06,059 Mort said, "I did this at 21," 1285 01:04:06,217 --> 01:04:08,470 before I knew him when he was a younger man. 1286 01:04:19,147 --> 01:04:22,276 Now I couldn't believe all these people 1287 01:04:22,442 --> 01:04:25,946 thought he was the "Blue Collar King." 1288 01:04:30,241 --> 01:04:32,664 Missouri is called the "Show-Me State," right? 1289 01:04:32,827 --> 01:04:35,046 What really burns your butt, baby? 1290 01:04:35,205 --> 01:04:37,378 It's people putting the American flag on the ground 1291 01:04:37,540 --> 01:04:38,917 and stepping all over it. 1292 01:04:39,084 --> 01:04:40,336 How about you, ma'am? 1293 01:04:40,502 --> 01:04:43,472 I am so irritated that we let foreigners come in 1294 01:04:43,630 --> 01:04:47,009 and buy up our farmland in western Kansas. 1295 01:04:47,175 --> 01:04:48,518 Schoonmaker: He could get people screaming. 1296 01:04:48,676 --> 01:04:50,349 He could get 'em crying. 1297 01:04:50,512 --> 01:04:53,516 We need to support one another and be American. 1298 01:04:53,681 --> 01:04:55,979 This is the greatest nation on this side of heaven. 1299 01:04:59,646 --> 01:05:01,489 Schoonmaker: We went out of the back of the theater 1300 01:05:01,648 --> 01:05:03,946 and, my God, there's a whole mob. 1301 01:05:12,534 --> 01:05:14,628 Langan: At the University of Pittsburgh, 1302 01:05:14,786 --> 01:05:17,039 there were 5,000 people in the audience. 1303 01:05:19,165 --> 01:05:21,418 ( Marching ) 1304 01:05:26,881 --> 01:05:28,883 Crowd's roaring. It's like a rally at Nuremberg. 1305 01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:30,267 You know, "Mort, Mort, Mort." 1306 01:05:30,427 --> 01:05:32,771 Crowd: Mort! Mort! Mort! Mort! Mort! Mort! 1307 01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:34,852 Mort! Mort! Mort! 1308 01:05:35,014 --> 01:05:38,393 Langan: And instead of doing the show, 1309 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,107 Mort walks out there and-- pardon my French-- 1310 01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:42,898 and he goes, "Hey, guys, you wanna see 1311 01:05:43,064 --> 01:05:46,068 what a 60-year-old guy is blanking these days?" 1312 01:05:49,446 --> 01:05:51,414 He brings out Lori. 1313 01:05:54,075 --> 01:05:55,873 And I can see people talking to each other 1314 01:05:56,035 --> 01:05:58,129 and then the promoter's in my face going, 1315 01:05:58,288 --> 01:05:59,835 "This isn't why they're here." 1316 01:05:59,998 --> 01:06:02,842 ( switches clicking ) 1317 01:06:03,001 --> 01:06:04,503 ( thunder crackling ) 1318 01:06:05,503 --> 01:06:08,598 Langan: On a plane back, I was seated next to a grand poobah 1319 01:06:08,756 --> 01:06:11,009 of advertising for Domino's Pizza. 1320 01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:14,767 And she goes, "Oh, you are so totally our audience." 1321 01:06:14,929 --> 01:06:16,101 "Why don't you advertise?" 1322 01:06:16,264 --> 01:06:19,359 "Because I don't want the name 'Domino's' on the screen 1323 01:06:19,517 --> 01:06:23,112 the day that idiot you work for blows himself up." 1324 01:06:26,608 --> 01:06:28,610 Pittman: Do you really want to fight it out with the advertisers? 1325 01:06:30,778 --> 01:06:32,371 At a certain point, how do you defend stuff? 1326 01:06:34,949 --> 01:06:37,793 Johnson: We stopped being able to book legitimate guests, remember? 1327 01:06:37,952 --> 01:06:40,626 Goldsmith: We did, because if you had an opposing view, 1328 01:06:40,788 --> 01:06:43,462 it was Mort and 180 people in the audience against you. 1329 01:06:43,625 --> 01:06:46,629 - I am a servant of the Almighty. - Please tell us. 1330 01:06:46,794 --> 01:06:48,637 I seek refuge in God 1331 01:06:48,796 --> 01:06:52,221 from the rejected Satan in name of God. 1332 01:06:52,383 --> 01:06:56,183 Isn't that the song? "I wanted the clowns to be constantly funny. 1333 01:06:56,346 --> 01:06:58,269 Have I stayed too long at the fair?" 1334 01:07:00,058 --> 01:07:03,983 ♪ Have I stayed too long ♪ 1335 01:07:04,145 --> 01:07:06,147 ♪ At the fair? ♪ 1336 01:07:06,314 --> 01:07:08,737 It got less real as time went on. It became a cartoon. 1337 01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:11,244 At the beginning, it was. 1338 01:07:11,402 --> 01:07:14,201 And later on, it became "Avatar." 1339 01:07:15,490 --> 01:07:17,163 Goldsmith: I didn't think the show was sleazy. 1340 01:07:17,325 --> 01:07:18,793 I didn't. 1341 01:07:18,952 --> 01:07:20,625 Guest: Some people in this world are different. 1342 01:07:20,787 --> 01:07:22,334 I happen to be one of those different people. 1343 01:07:22,497 --> 01:07:26,001 I'm just as worthy as any other person even though I'm different. 1344 01:07:28,127 --> 01:07:30,676 Langan: May I remind you of the homeless woman 1345 01:07:30,838 --> 01:07:34,183 who was a double amputee that played the "Star Spangled Banner" 1346 01:07:34,342 --> 01:07:36,390 with her tongue from a gurney? 1347 01:07:36,553 --> 01:07:38,271 That was towards the end. That was towards the end. 1348 01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:40,056 And we loved it. 1349 01:07:40,223 --> 01:07:42,692 ♪ The music has stopped ♪ 1350 01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:48,027 ♪ And the children must go now ♪ 1351 01:07:49,983 --> 01:07:53,908 ♪ Have I stayed too long ♪ 1352 01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:55,947 ♪ At the fair? ♪ 1353 01:07:57,865 --> 01:07:59,412 ♪ Are we rolling downhill ♪ 1354 01:07:59,576 --> 01:08:02,955 ♪ Like a snowball that's headed for hell? ♪ 1355 01:08:03,121 --> 01:08:06,546 Buchanan: The idea is to be an attractive figure on television... 1356 01:08:06,708 --> 01:08:08,381 ♪ Have we deepened the crack ♪ 1357 01:08:08,543 --> 01:08:12,264 ♪ In our beautiful Liberty Bell? ♪ 1358 01:08:12,422 --> 01:08:15,426 ...so that you can change minds and ultimately policy. 1359 01:08:15,592 --> 01:08:17,594 ♪ ls a Ford still a car? ♪ 1360 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,765 Can you let the entertainment value run away 1361 01:08:21,931 --> 01:08:25,105 into the fever swamps? 1362 01:08:25,268 --> 01:08:26,941 And I think you might've seen 1363 01:08:27,103 --> 01:08:29,105 some of that with my old friend Mort. 1364 01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:35,953 Langan: I got into a fierce argument with Mort, 1365 01:08:36,112 --> 01:08:38,615 and that was about the time I left, 1366 01:08:38,781 --> 01:08:40,783 when I said, "Mort, if you could just keep it 1367 01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:42,998 in your pants literally and figuratively, 1368 01:08:43,161 --> 01:08:45,289 you could be the center square on the 'Hollywood Squares' 1369 01:08:45,455 --> 01:08:47,298 until the day they put you in the ground 1370 01:08:47,457 --> 01:08:48,959 and you don't have to blow up the show." 1371 01:08:49,125 --> 01:08:51,469 Mr. Mayor, 1372 01:08:51,628 --> 01:08:54,632 now, what I want to know 1373 01:08:54,797 --> 01:08:58,427 and what these people want to know and what America-- 1374 01:08:58,593 --> 01:09:00,891 We're not-- we have to come into another segment. 1375 01:09:01,054 --> 01:09:03,682 What in the fuck am I doing here? 1376 01:09:03,848 --> 01:09:05,191 Are we on the air? 1377 01:09:05,350 --> 01:09:06,977 We've been taping. We've been taping. 1378 01:09:07,143 --> 01:09:09,862 Schoonmaker: Mort didn't want to hear it when he was wrong. 1379 01:09:11,648 --> 01:09:13,571 I guess it's a little like Elvis, you know, 1380 01:09:13,733 --> 01:09:15,781 those people that are around him. 1381 01:09:15,943 --> 01:09:18,992 "Hey, you shouldn't be taking those drugs." 1382 01:09:19,155 --> 01:09:21,328 "Fuck you. You're not working anymore." 1383 01:09:21,491 --> 01:09:24,995 Record this. Record this. Record it. 1384 01:09:25,161 --> 01:09:26,253 ( Tone beeps ) 1385 01:09:28,331 --> 01:09:29,753 Bey: As someone who went through 1386 01:09:29,916 --> 01:09:32,840 a similar kind of experience, 1387 01:09:33,002 --> 01:09:35,300 you don't think it's ever going to end 1388 01:09:35,463 --> 01:09:36,589 when you're in the midst of it. 1389 01:09:36,756 --> 01:09:41,057 Audience: ♪ Hey, hey, hey, goodbye. ♪ 1390 01:09:46,599 --> 01:09:48,727 "Will you move to replace 1391 01:09:48,893 --> 01:09:50,145 that man who's on top, 1392 01:09:50,311 --> 01:09:53,861 not caring who's hurt, too cruel to stop?" 1393 01:09:54,023 --> 01:09:58,028 Audience: ♪ Hey, hey, hey, goodbye ♪ 1394 01:09:58,194 --> 01:10:00,242 ♪ Na, na, na, na ♪ 1395 01:10:00,405 --> 01:10:02,157 ♪ Na, na, na, na... ♪ 1396 01:10:02,323 --> 01:10:05,042 Bey: "God help you, blind man, 1397 01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:07,169 with eyes that see, 1398 01:10:07,328 --> 01:10:09,751 but cannot cry. 1399 01:10:09,914 --> 01:10:12,292 How foolish you are. 1400 01:10:12,458 --> 01:10:15,758 You, too, must die." 1401 01:10:18,673 --> 01:10:20,141 Schoonmaker: Mort broke up with Kim 1402 01:10:20,299 --> 01:10:22,802 and moved into Trump Tower. 1403 01:10:22,969 --> 01:10:26,098 Sitting at Trump Tower one time, he said, "I got to do something. 1404 01:10:26,264 --> 01:10:29,017 Got to do something big." 1405 01:10:29,183 --> 01:10:30,685 And I said, "Oh, shit." 1406 01:10:30,852 --> 01:10:33,150 (thunder crashing ) 1407 01:10:41,279 --> 01:10:43,657 ♪ Start spreading the news. ♪ 1408 01:10:45,032 --> 01:10:46,579 - You get the city? - Woman: Hey, Mark. 1409 01:10:46,743 --> 01:10:49,542 What are you looking at, huh? 1410 01:10:49,704 --> 01:10:51,706 We're in the movies. 1411 01:10:51,873 --> 01:10:54,001 Yes, we are. 1412 01:10:54,167 --> 01:10:56,670 I'm going to show this to Mort. He'll put you on television. 1413 01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:01,303 Schoonmaker: The live shows where we would travel around 1414 01:11:01,466 --> 01:11:03,343 were cut down to like three shows a month. 1415 01:11:03,509 --> 01:11:05,182 And the middle class of this country 1416 01:11:05,344 --> 01:11:07,346 has been a victim too fucking long. 1417 01:11:07,513 --> 01:11:09,811 Schoonmaker: Mort and I flew to Denver... 1418 01:11:12,143 --> 01:11:14,987 and then San Francisco. 1419 01:11:19,233 --> 01:11:21,952 Fuck me? I wouldn't fuck you with his dick. 1420 01:11:25,406 --> 01:11:28,580 We're taking our streets back away from all these minorities, 1421 01:11:28,743 --> 01:11:30,086 away from all these jungle bunnies. 1422 01:11:30,244 --> 01:11:32,542 That's what the skinheads are doing 1423 01:11:32,705 --> 01:11:34,378 in the White Aryan Resistance. 1424 01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:37,134 We fight for white America. 1425 01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:40,923 Then you are white shit. You are white shit. 1426 01:11:41,088 --> 01:11:42,761 White shit. 1427 01:11:44,091 --> 01:11:47,766 Schoonmaker: At the San Francisco Airport, 1428 01:11:47,929 --> 01:11:50,773 I watched him walk into the men's room. 1429 01:11:50,932 --> 01:11:53,276 I walked down here and I hear the voice go, 1430 01:11:53,434 --> 01:11:56,938 "Lloyd, Lloyd, where are you?" 1431 01:11:57,104 --> 01:11:58,777 And I said, "Mort, where are you?" 1432 01:11:58,940 --> 01:12:02,535 So I walked down about three or four stalls, 1433 01:12:02,693 --> 01:12:04,821 opened the door. 1434 01:12:06,989 --> 01:12:08,787 "Oh, my God. 1435 01:12:12,954 --> 01:12:15,252 Security! Security! 1436 01:12:15,414 --> 01:12:17,382 Morton Downey, Jr.'s in there 1437 01:12:17,542 --> 01:12:19,886 and he's been attacked by skinheads." 1438 01:12:24,966 --> 01:12:28,220 Pittman: I said, "Oh, my gosh, that's terrible." 1439 01:12:28,386 --> 01:12:31,014 I said, "Well, don't talk to the press until we figure out what the story is." 1440 01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:33,933 He says, "Well, there's a problem." 1441 01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:36,478 He called me from a room with all the press already in the room. 1442 01:12:36,644 --> 01:12:40,569 First, the one guy yelled, "Kill the --." 1443 01:12:40,731 --> 01:12:42,733 And the other guy just started cutting my hair off. 1444 01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:44,902 Sliwa: So I'm watching on TV 1445 01:12:45,069 --> 01:12:48,494 and I said, "Gee, that sounds so strange, doesn't sound right." 1446 01:12:48,656 --> 01:12:51,000 Immediately had the flashback that it was like 1447 01:12:51,158 --> 01:12:53,286 a Tawana Brawley, round two. 1448 01:12:53,452 --> 01:12:55,500 ( Bell clangs ) 1449 01:12:55,663 --> 01:12:57,336 Goldsmith: Mort called me. 1450 01:12:57,498 --> 01:12:59,341 "I just got jumped by a bunch of skinheads. 1451 01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:01,468 I'm screwed. What you gotta do is 1452 01:13:01,627 --> 01:13:03,129 you gotta get a private jet to fly me back. 1453 01:13:03,296 --> 01:13:05,094 I can't fly commercial." 1454 01:13:05,256 --> 01:13:07,884 Schoonmaker: We landed and he rushed to Trump Tower. 1455 01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:09,643 Radio reporter: Day by day, we learn a little more 1456 01:13:09,802 --> 01:13:11,520 about the case of Tawana Brawley. 1457 01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:12,976 Woman: She crawled into the bag. 1458 01:13:13,139 --> 01:13:15,733 Reporter #2: Witnesses said they saw her climbing into the plastic bag 1459 01:13:15,892 --> 01:13:17,735 in which she had been found. 1460 01:13:19,312 --> 01:13:20,939 Goldsmith: We drive to Trump Tower 1461 01:13:21,105 --> 01:13:23,449 and there's Donald Trump in the lobby and he liked Mort. 1462 01:13:23,608 --> 01:13:25,531 - Langan: It's not a surprise. - Goldsmith: "What happened? 1463 01:13:25,693 --> 01:13:27,866 Oh, my God. Take him up to my suite." 1464 01:13:30,406 --> 01:13:32,204 ( music playing ) 1465 01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,037 Schoonmaker: The album was just out. 1466 01:13:36,203 --> 01:13:39,628 They just shipped 250,000 copies. 1467 01:13:39,790 --> 01:13:43,420 ♪ Hey there, Mr. Dealer ♪ 1468 01:13:43,586 --> 01:13:46,681 ♪ You drug-pushing son of a bitch... ♪ 1469 01:13:46,839 --> 01:13:48,967 I knew if this went across America, which it did, 1470 01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:52,012 it hit the wire services, went across everywhere... 1471 01:13:54,055 --> 01:13:56,433 then people would say, "He's just a phony sleaze." 1472 01:13:56,599 --> 01:13:58,897 You know, "What is this crap?" 1473 01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:02,655 ♪ The garbage of our land ♪ 1474 01:14:02,813 --> 01:14:05,908 ♪ The devil is a-waiting just to welcome you ♪ 1475 01:14:06,067 --> 01:14:09,412 ♪ To your eternal promised land. ♪ 1476 01:14:10,988 --> 01:14:14,583 He claims that he was attacked by three neo-Nazi skinheads. 1477 01:14:14,742 --> 01:14:16,039 Police are not so sure. 1478 01:14:16,202 --> 01:14:18,296 There were no skinheads to be found in the area. 1479 01:14:18,454 --> 01:14:20,627 His ratings are dying. Everyone knows that. 1480 01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:22,667 Just relax your arm there. 1481 01:14:22,833 --> 01:14:25,086 Schoonmaker: Mort went in to do lie detector tests. 1482 01:14:25,252 --> 01:14:26,970 And they walked out and they said, 1483 01:14:27,129 --> 01:14:29,757 "Boy, he passed that with flying colors." 1484 01:14:29,924 --> 01:14:32,222 I found him in the stall. I came in the bathroom, 1485 01:14:32,385 --> 01:14:33,887 "Yeah, Mort, where are you? We got to go. 1486 01:14:34,053 --> 01:14:35,475 We got 10 minutes to catch a plane. 1487 01:14:35,638 --> 01:14:37,185 What's going on?" And I pushed the door. 1488 01:14:37,348 --> 01:14:39,771 He was leaning up against it. I opened the door and I said, 1489 01:14:39,934 --> 01:14:41,732 "What the hell happened to you?" 1490 01:14:41,894 --> 01:14:44,022 I understand why a woman 1491 01:14:44,188 --> 01:14:46,236 doesn't report she's raped anymore, all right? 1492 01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:47,992 I understand what you go through. 1493 01:14:50,611 --> 01:14:52,158 We have a member of the New York State community 1494 01:14:52,321 --> 01:14:55,074 made up a story like this. Tawana Brawley, remember that? 1495 01:14:55,241 --> 01:14:58,370 And I can't help but liken this story to hers. 1496 01:14:59,662 --> 01:15:01,835 Langan: The "New York Post" just happened to call. 1497 01:15:01,998 --> 01:15:03,671 "You hear what happened to Downey?" I said, "What?" 1498 01:15:03,833 --> 01:15:05,631 Told the whole skinhead routine. 1499 01:15:05,793 --> 01:15:08,171 And I said, "Ugh. I'd be suspicious." 1500 01:15:09,797 --> 01:15:12,971 Schoonmaker: Langan said, "This is all bullshit." 1501 01:15:13,134 --> 01:15:15,853 Downey, Jr.: Jim Langan, I fired him. 1502 01:15:16,012 --> 01:15:17,685 He has said that he is going 1503 01:15:17,847 --> 01:15:21,192 to tell a story on me if I let him go. 1504 01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:23,853 I never reported his cocaine use or anything else. 1505 01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:26,364 Well, I... 1506 01:15:26,522 --> 01:15:28,820 Try explaining that to my kids who watched it on TV. 1507 01:15:28,983 --> 01:15:31,327 Fiancée Lori Krebs, are you standing by your man? 1508 01:15:31,485 --> 01:15:34,079 - I sure am, 100%. - He's innocent, huh? 1509 01:15:34,238 --> 01:15:37,287 Schoonmaker: Lori made the statement to me, 1510 01:15:37,450 --> 01:15:41,205 "if I ever find out that this was a lie, 1511 01:15:41,370 --> 01:15:43,464 I'm going to leave him." 1512 01:15:45,374 --> 01:15:49,220 Pittman: We all said, "This is too crazy. 1513 01:15:49,378 --> 01:15:50,880 It's out of control." 1514 01:15:51,047 --> 01:15:52,549 Yes, we could make money, 1515 01:15:52,715 --> 01:15:54,217 but I didn't want to spend the rest of my life 1516 01:15:54,383 --> 01:15:56,761 as Mort Downey's babysitter. 1517 01:15:56,927 --> 01:15:59,225 And I don't think it's healthy for him, either. 1518 01:15:59,388 --> 01:16:00,856 That was the shark jumping. 1519 01:16:01,015 --> 01:16:02,517 Yeah, that was the end of his career. 1520 01:16:02,683 --> 01:16:05,311 He had a couple of more reincarnations, but that was it. 1521 01:16:05,478 --> 01:16:08,402 He rose like a rocket and he fell like a stick. 1522 01:16:08,564 --> 01:16:11,158 And then it went down almost as fast as it went up. 1523 01:16:11,317 --> 01:16:13,365 His star power plummeted enormously. 1524 01:16:13,527 --> 01:16:14,995 As he would say, "the money was on the dresser." 1525 01:16:15,154 --> 01:16:16,326 I was done with the guy. 1526 01:16:16,489 --> 01:16:18,332 "Morton Downey, Jr. Show" was the fastest rise 1527 01:16:18,491 --> 01:16:20,164 and fall in the history of television. 1528 01:16:27,416 --> 01:16:29,384 Boggs: Seven years after the incident, 1529 01:16:29,543 --> 01:16:32,638 I was in California and I called Lloyd 1530 01:16:32,797 --> 01:16:35,266 and I said, "Can I come and see you?" 1531 01:16:35,424 --> 01:16:37,267 So I drove up the West Coast and I had a wonderful 1532 01:16:37,426 --> 01:16:39,554 lunch with him, we had a few drinks. 1533 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,098 But there was a method in my madness and I said, 1534 01:16:42,264 --> 01:16:43,937 "What's the story? 1535 01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:45,818 What happened in the airport?" 1536 01:16:50,981 --> 01:16:53,450 Schoonmaker: Mort said, "I got the plan, Lloyd. I got the plan." 1537 01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:55,077 I actually threw up. 1538 01:16:55,236 --> 01:16:58,080 I was so sick over how he was going to destroy 1539 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,833 not just his career, but my career. 1540 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,465 The next day, we stopped at a 7-Eleven 1541 01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:09,045 to get some scissors-- 1542 01:17:09,208 --> 01:17:11,085 I can remember the orange handles-- 1543 01:17:11,252 --> 01:17:13,755 and a black felt pen. 1544 01:17:13,921 --> 01:17:16,140 And I said, "Oh, shit." 1545 01:17:17,341 --> 01:17:18,684 Announcer: Good evening, everybody. 1546 01:17:18,843 --> 01:17:20,140 Welcome to "The Morton Downey, Jr. Show." 1547 01:17:20,302 --> 01:17:22,304 Elliott: "How sad the looking glass." 1548 01:17:22,471 --> 01:17:24,644 Raphael: "Some words will cut like a knife." 1549 01:17:24,807 --> 01:17:26,684 Bey: "God help you, blind man." 1550 01:17:26,851 --> 01:17:28,569 Brawley: This is no hoax. 1551 01:17:28,727 --> 01:17:32,231 Miller: "We honor only those our own selfish hearts destroy." 1552 01:17:33,232 --> 01:17:35,280 ( shipping ) 1553 01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:38,658 ( marker squeaks ) 1554 01:17:42,491 --> 01:17:44,289 ( splashes, clatters ) 1555 01:17:45,286 --> 01:17:47,288 ( audience cheering ) 1556 01:17:50,166 --> 01:17:51,839 ( hisses ) 1557 01:17:52,001 --> 01:17:54,379 He was wearing 1558 01:17:54,545 --> 01:17:56,923 these pants... 1559 01:17:57,089 --> 01:18:01,094 and this shirt. 1560 01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:04,605 And I think you can notice that the swastika's not done-- 1561 01:18:04,763 --> 01:18:07,141 as a matter of fact, it doesn't even look like a swastika. 1562 01:18:07,308 --> 01:18:10,812 The rip is right here where he said they grabbed him, 1563 01:18:10,978 --> 01:18:14,232 but I believe it was a scissor cut. 1564 01:18:15,357 --> 01:18:17,985 Maybe I'll sell it on eBay one of these days. 1565 01:18:18,152 --> 01:18:19,950 Believe me, if we wanted a publicity stunt, 1566 01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:21,830 we would've done a whole lot better than this. 1567 01:18:21,989 --> 01:18:23,241 I mean, it was just unbelievable. 1568 01:18:23,407 --> 01:18:25,284 I have never seen him that way before 1569 01:18:25,451 --> 01:18:26,953 and there was hair all over. 1570 01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:28,996 Schoonmaker: Why I did it, I don't know. 1571 01:18:29,163 --> 01:18:31,541 I'm thinking of my career. 1572 01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:34,460 I hate myself for doing it in hindsight. 1573 01:18:34,627 --> 01:18:36,379 But I did it. 1574 01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:39,674 After a while, he believed that it really happened. 1575 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,389 Next thing I knew I was reaching for something blunt 1576 01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:44,098 that I felt against my face. 1577 01:18:44,261 --> 01:18:45,558 Schoonmaker: That's why he didn't have any trouble 1578 01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:47,394 passing the lie detector test. 1579 01:18:47,556 --> 01:18:49,558 You know, it's really hard to resurrect it sometimes. 1580 01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:50,942 Schoonmaker: I don't think it had anything to do 1581 01:18:51,101 --> 01:18:53,980 with saving his show, picking up sponsors. 1582 01:18:54,146 --> 01:18:56,319 If anything, it would just do the opposite. 1583 01:18:56,482 --> 01:18:58,405 Lloyd said Mort did it 1584 01:18:58,567 --> 01:19:01,741 to make Lori feel sorry for him. 1585 01:19:07,618 --> 01:19:10,747 Schoonmaker: it was almost like the injured person, 1586 01:19:10,913 --> 01:19:13,792 "Take care of me, my love. 1587 01:19:13,958 --> 01:19:17,758 I need you to come into this world of mine." 1588 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,593 If Lori sees this, she's probably gonna be 1589 01:19:19,755 --> 01:19:21,098 really pissed at me. 1590 01:19:21,257 --> 01:19:23,885 But maybe in Lori's heart, 1591 01:19:24,051 --> 01:19:26,679 she knows I'm telling the truth. 1592 01:19:26,845 --> 01:19:28,142 I'm not lying now. 1593 01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:40,113 Let me ask a question of our audience here. 1594 01:19:40,276 --> 01:19:42,404 How many of you have ever seen this? 1595 01:19:42,569 --> 01:19:44,242 You know what this is? 1596 01:19:44,405 --> 01:19:45,782 Oh, yes. 1597 01:19:45,948 --> 01:19:48,918 Pittman: So if you say what's the worst thing about it is? 1598 01:19:49,076 --> 01:19:50,498 I was associated with someone 1599 01:19:50,661 --> 01:19:52,459 that, by giving him a forum, and giving him 1600 01:19:52,621 --> 01:19:55,249 a chance to be a celebrity, hurt himself. 1601 01:19:55,416 --> 01:19:57,464 Dick Clark: Robert Pittman, an executive with Mort's show, 1602 01:19:57,626 --> 01:19:59,924 and he sent Mort to hear about an amusement park company 1603 01:20:00,087 --> 01:20:03,307 that designs rides named after celebrities. 1604 01:20:03,465 --> 01:20:06,560 We are building attractions around personalities. 1605 01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:08,187 That sounds to me like that could be something 1606 01:20:08,345 --> 01:20:09,471 that could disappear real fast, 1607 01:20:09,638 --> 01:20:11,640 a celebrity today and a zero tomorrow. 1608 01:20:11,807 --> 01:20:13,684 That's true, except that I think you're here to stay. 1609 01:20:13,851 --> 01:20:15,649 I think you're entering superstar status. 1610 01:20:15,811 --> 01:20:17,063 Pittman: My regret is 1611 01:20:17,229 --> 01:20:20,278 Mort would have been in a better place as a human being... 1612 01:20:20,441 --> 01:20:21,613 Man: This we envision as being interactive. 1613 01:20:21,775 --> 01:20:23,903 ...If he had never had that opportunity. 1614 01:20:24,069 --> 01:20:25,537 You've been had, man. 1615 01:20:25,696 --> 01:20:28,870 This is "TV's Bloopers & Practical Jokes"! 1616 01:20:34,496 --> 01:20:37,875 The first time I really got reconnected with Sean at all, 1617 01:20:38,042 --> 01:20:41,296 it was announced that he had lung cancer. 1618 01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:45,303 Pittman: We talked, I felt terrible. 1619 01:20:45,466 --> 01:20:48,766 But in the back of my mind, you always had to wonder, 1620 01:20:48,927 --> 01:20:50,474 was it true? 1621 01:20:50,637 --> 01:20:52,890 I don't know if a show like this has ever been done 1622 01:20:53,057 --> 01:20:55,856 with someone having surgery the next day 1623 01:20:56,018 --> 01:20:57,941 to save his life and the doctor performing it 1624 01:20:58,103 --> 01:21:01,528 and all of it live and people calling in. 1625 01:21:01,690 --> 01:21:04,739 I really salute you, Mort, for agreeing to this. 1626 01:21:04,902 --> 01:21:07,121 I salute you for letting us do this. 1627 01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:10,579 It's a hunger. I mean, would you have a lung operation 1628 01:21:10,741 --> 01:21:12,038 and then go be on Larry King? 1629 01:21:12,201 --> 01:21:15,671 Would you do that? Would you call that sane? 1630 01:21:15,829 --> 01:21:17,957 I know-- I know he's gonna beat it. 1631 01:21:18,123 --> 01:21:20,046 I know he's gonna beat it 1632 01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:22,803 and I'm really proud of him. 1633 01:21:22,961 --> 01:21:26,761 I've heard from so many people, but the biggest surprise of all 1634 01:21:26,924 --> 01:21:29,677 was I got the most beautiful letter 1635 01:21:29,843 --> 01:21:31,720 from Edward Moore Kennedy, 1636 01:21:31,887 --> 01:21:33,855 Teddy Kennedy, 1637 01:21:34,014 --> 01:21:35,311 who-- he and I have been politically fighting, 1638 01:21:35,474 --> 01:21:37,897 as you know, for 15 years. 1639 01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:41,405 Miller: Sean popped in the office, which I hadn't expected. 1640 01:21:41,563 --> 01:21:43,281 All of a sudden he walked in the door and there he was 1641 01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,408 and I just gave him a big hug. 1642 01:21:45,567 --> 01:21:47,490 And he was in coat and tie 1643 01:21:47,653 --> 01:21:49,576 and did a lot of thinking 1644 01:21:49,738 --> 01:21:52,332 about what mattered to him. 1645 01:21:52,491 --> 01:21:55,370 Now I've got lung cancer and I could die. 1646 01:21:55,536 --> 01:21:58,415 What really bothers me is I won't be around 1647 01:21:58,580 --> 01:22:01,208 to see my two-and-a-half-year-old grow up 1648 01:22:01,375 --> 01:22:04,549 and say "No" to smoking. 1649 01:22:04,711 --> 01:22:07,430 Mr. Chairman, Senators, 1650 01:22:07,589 --> 01:22:09,512 American Lung Association. 1651 01:22:09,675 --> 01:22:11,973 Friends, like 3,000 kids every day, 1652 01:22:12,136 --> 01:22:15,390 I began smoking at the age of about 13. 1653 01:22:15,556 --> 01:22:18,275 And to think I was a role model for cigarette-smoking youth, 1654 01:22:18,434 --> 01:22:20,903 even signing my name on their cigarettes. 1655 01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:24,652 It was really hard for him 1656 01:22:24,815 --> 01:22:28,445 because that whole smoking thing 1657 01:22:28,610 --> 01:22:31,614 was, you know, another part of that personality. 1658 01:22:31,780 --> 01:22:35,876 To that generation, I beg your forgiveness. 1659 01:22:36,034 --> 01:22:38,162 May the next generation have kinder and wiser 1660 01:22:38,328 --> 01:22:40,205 role models than I was. 1661 01:22:40,372 --> 01:22:41,669 Thank you, thank you. 1662 01:22:41,832 --> 01:22:44,711 Reynolds: He was a better person than when I first met him. 1663 01:22:44,877 --> 01:22:47,005 More conscientious, 1664 01:22:47,171 --> 01:22:48,718 less full of crap. 1665 01:22:48,881 --> 01:22:51,760 He called me and said, "They're gonna take out a lung." 1666 01:22:51,925 --> 01:22:55,020 And I said, "Holy shit, take out a lung?" 1667 01:22:55,179 --> 01:22:56,476 Are you scared? 1668 01:22:56,638 --> 01:22:58,936 Yeah, I am. 1669 01:22:59,099 --> 01:23:01,067 But a lot of your people write me nice letters 1670 01:23:01,226 --> 01:23:03,024 and I've got a lot of nice friends. 1671 01:23:03,187 --> 01:23:06,236 And I keep working. I work every single day. 1672 01:23:06,398 --> 01:23:08,321 You're going to watch your girl grow up, Mort. 1673 01:23:08,484 --> 01:23:09,576 Thank you. 1674 01:23:09,735 --> 01:23:11,328 Morton Downey, Jr. 1675 01:23:11,487 --> 01:23:14,286 lt just killed me because I really loved him, you know. 1676 01:23:14,448 --> 01:23:16,792 I really-- I really did. 1677 01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:18,918 You love him or you hate him. Well, I kind of did both. 1678 01:23:19,077 --> 01:23:21,956 You were the king of controversial television. 1679 01:23:22,122 --> 01:23:24,170 What do you think about what's going on in television today? 1680 01:23:24,333 --> 01:23:25,755 Well, Bobbi, it's all entertainment 1681 01:23:25,918 --> 01:23:27,386 and there's nothing wrong with entertainment. 1682 01:23:27,544 --> 01:23:29,217 That's not reality. 1683 01:23:29,379 --> 01:23:32,258 Allred: In having advocates for civil rights, 1684 01:23:32,424 --> 01:23:33,767 for women and minorities... 1685 01:23:33,926 --> 01:23:36,600 Reality is having a fight on the Downey show 1686 01:23:36,762 --> 01:23:38,105 with Al Sharpton. 1687 01:23:38,263 --> 01:23:40,186 Reality is presenting Gloria Allred 1688 01:23:40,349 --> 01:23:42,317 to the world for the first time, 1689 01:23:42,476 --> 01:23:43,853 Professor Alan Dershowitz. 1690 01:23:44,019 --> 01:23:45,771 ...perhaps he had done something important 1691 01:23:45,938 --> 01:23:48,066 that went beyond a television show. 1692 01:23:48,232 --> 01:23:49,529 I was sitting home one day 1693 01:23:49,691 --> 01:23:51,238 and the phone rang and I was shocked. 1694 01:23:51,401 --> 01:23:55,827 It was Mort Downey calling me in a low, weak voice. 1695 01:23:55,989 --> 01:24:00,495 To single out Israel for criticism is anti-Semitism. 1696 01:24:00,661 --> 01:24:03,790 - To consider it comparatively-- - That is the cry, Alan. 1697 01:24:03,956 --> 01:24:06,209 Dershowitz: He just wanted to remind me 1698 01:24:06,375 --> 01:24:08,093 of our earlier days 1699 01:24:08,252 --> 01:24:11,096 and ask me if there's anything I needed from him 1700 01:24:11,255 --> 01:24:13,633 before he departed this world. 1701 01:24:13,799 --> 01:24:15,517 That is America! 1702 01:24:15,676 --> 01:24:18,270 Dershowitz: I told him that I thought he had contributed 1703 01:24:18,428 --> 01:24:20,305 a lot to television... 1704 01:24:20,472 --> 01:24:23,726 I stood next to Malcolm X-- 1705 01:24:23,892 --> 01:24:27,237 Dershowitz: ...for unrepresented and disenfranchised people. 1706 01:24:27,396 --> 01:24:30,024 Don't tell me what you did. Tell me what you're doing. 1707 01:24:30,190 --> 01:24:31,737 Dershowitz: He seemed to appreciate hearing that. 1708 01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:34,369 Particularly, he said he didn't hear that so often 1709 01:24:34,528 --> 01:24:38,499 from people like me. 1710 01:24:38,657 --> 01:24:42,207 I was there for a week while he was in the hospital. 1711 01:24:42,369 --> 01:24:44,371 He was on life support. 1712 01:24:44,538 --> 01:24:48,463 And I couldn't really tell if he knew I was there. 1713 01:24:48,625 --> 01:24:52,095 And then Lori called me and said, "He's gone." 1714 01:24:57,175 --> 01:25:00,019 King: Lori Downey, the widow of Morton Downey, Jr. 1715 01:25:00,178 --> 01:25:01,896 When is the funeral, Lori? 1716 01:25:02,055 --> 01:25:05,184 Lori: Um, it's on Saturday. 1717 01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:07,648 - King: Open to the public? - Yes. 1718 01:25:10,731 --> 01:25:12,074 Schoonmaker: He was the Blue Collar King 1719 01:25:12,232 --> 01:25:14,360 and the people loved him. 1720 01:25:14,526 --> 01:25:17,826 So I was surprised there weren't more people there. 1721 01:25:17,988 --> 01:25:19,786 Gloria Allred was there. 1722 01:25:22,743 --> 01:25:24,745 Maybe Jim Langan, maybe Bill Boggs, 1723 01:25:24,911 --> 01:25:26,834 maybe some of the producers at WOR, 1724 01:25:26,997 --> 01:25:29,841 but maybe they were so angry at him. 1725 01:25:31,877 --> 01:25:34,096 Downey, Jr.: You know, the question is always asked 1726 01:25:34,254 --> 01:25:36,097 why people responded actively 1727 01:25:36,256 --> 01:25:39,260 to certain people throughout history. 1728 01:25:39,426 --> 01:25:42,430 People responded to the Beatles and no one knew why. 1729 01:25:42,596 --> 01:25:44,769 Was it their long hair? To Elvis Presley. 1730 01:25:46,266 --> 01:25:49,691 Some people who have no other word for it call it "charisma." 1731 01:25:49,853 --> 01:25:52,902 I would have kicked your fucking nuts out. 1732 01:25:53,065 --> 01:25:55,033 Someone said I was the first rock and roll star 1733 01:25:55,192 --> 01:25:57,160 to come along without music. 1734 01:25:57,319 --> 01:26:00,072 I'll make Al Sharpton look like a piece of shit 1735 01:26:00,238 --> 01:26:01,410 the way I take care of you. 1736 01:26:01,573 --> 01:26:04,793 That's interesting. Maybe that's true. 1737 01:26:04,951 --> 01:26:08,296 ( Music playing ) 1738 01:26:12,584 --> 01:26:14,632 Mort's legacy is easy to describe. 1739 01:26:14,795 --> 01:26:18,470 Mort's legacy is passion plays on television 1740 01:26:18,632 --> 01:26:20,350 even if it's an act. 1741 01:26:20,509 --> 01:26:23,137 It's a free market and you gotta ask yourself, 1742 01:26:23,303 --> 01:26:27,149 the people obviously want what they're getting 1743 01:26:27,307 --> 01:26:29,059 or they'd be getting something else. 1744 01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:32,438 ...the Father, and of the Son... 1745 01:26:34,606 --> 01:26:36,074 Schoonmaker: They had a lot of balloons outside. 1746 01:26:36,233 --> 01:26:38,156 It was just a beautiful day. 1747 01:26:41,613 --> 01:26:43,832 I sang, ♪ I can see clearly now ♪ 1748 01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:47,620 ♪ The rain has-- ♪ and they let loose all the balloons. 1749 01:26:47,786 --> 01:26:49,959 That was-- that was the end of Mort. 1750 01:26:50,122 --> 01:26:54,252 ♪ I can see all obstacles in my way ♪ 1751 01:26:57,379 --> 01:26:59,973 ♪ Gone are the dark clouds... ♪ 1752 01:27:00,132 --> 01:27:01,634 Man: Those programs 1753 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,552 do appeal to certain audiences. 1754 01:27:03,719 --> 01:27:06,643 I'm not questioning the right of those shows to run on the air. 1755 01:27:06,805 --> 01:27:08,432 From my standpoint, 1756 01:27:08,598 --> 01:27:11,898 integrity and quality still have a place in the American home. 1757 01:27:12,060 --> 01:27:13,733 I'm going to stop you both because we're down 1758 01:27:13,895 --> 01:27:16,739 to about 45 seconds and I want to get a final comment. 1759 01:27:16,898 --> 01:27:20,277 Is this a passing fancy or is this the front of the wave? 1760 01:27:22,571 --> 01:27:24,573 ( Music playing ) 1761 01:27:34,750 --> 01:27:37,094 ♪ On Geraldo's talk show ♪ 1762 01:27:37,252 --> 01:27:39,880 ♪ He broke a chair with his nose ♪ 1763 01:27:40,046 --> 01:27:45,052 ♪ Al Capone looked on with a grin ♪ 1764 01:27:45,218 --> 01:27:48,392 ♪ And every lonely hausfrau ♪ 1765 01:27:48,555 --> 01:27:51,149 ♪ And sofa-bound cow ♪ 1766 01:27:51,308 --> 01:27:55,063 ♪ Watched Oprah before she turned thin ♪ 1767 01:27:56,438 --> 01:27:59,282 ♪ Richard Bey dug drag queens ♪ 1768 01:27:59,441 --> 01:28:01,819 ♪ Sally saved troubled teens ♪ 1769 01:28:01,985 --> 01:28:06,912 ♪ But politics wasn't their thing ♪ 1770 01:28:07,073 --> 01:28:09,542 ♪ After Downey's debut ♪ 1771 01:28:09,701 --> 01:28:12,625 ♪ We asked, "Dona-who?" ♪ 1772 01:28:12,788 --> 01:28:16,964 ♪ A new mouth had become our king ♪ 1773 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,140 ♪ Morton Downey ♪ 1774 01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:28,645 ♪ Not the singer ♪ 1775 01:28:30,305 --> 01:28:33,605 ♪ Talk-show icon ♪ 1776 01:28:35,435 --> 01:28:38,689 ♪ Predated Springer ♪ 1777 01:28:40,482 --> 01:28:44,282 ♪ Al and Tawana ♪ 1778 01:28:46,404 --> 01:28:49,783 ♪ Bush and Dukakis ♪ 1779 01:28:51,743 --> 01:28:55,964 ♪ At the Loudmouth ♪ 1780 01:28:56,122 --> 01:28:59,672 ♪ In downtown Secaucus ♪ 1781 01:28:59,835 --> 01:29:04,466 ♪ Oh-oh-oh-oh-hh ♪ 1782 01:29:05,674 --> 01:29:08,268 ♪ At the late night ♪ 1783 01:29:08,426 --> 01:29:12,806 ♪ Morton Downey, Jr. Show ♪ 1784 01:29:12,973 --> 01:29:15,647 ♪ I wanna go ♪ 1785 01:29:15,809 --> 01:29:19,655 ♪ Oh-oh-oh-oh ♪ 1786 01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:23,908 ♪ To the late night ♪ 1787 01:29:24,067 --> 01:29:30,575 ♪ Morton Downey, Jr. Show. ♪ 142339

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