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CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK
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- President Obama
has arrived in the UK
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for a three-day visit,
during which he'll make the case
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for the UK staying
in the European Union.
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Leave campaigners have said
he should butt out of the debate.
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We were in a very tough fight,
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erm, and a tough fight in which
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we felt the economy
was the most important issue.
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Obama was very keen
Britain should stay in the EU.
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He thought it made us stronger,
safer and better off,
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to coin a phrase.
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He said, you know,
"Well, what can I do to help?"
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{\an8}He'd noticed that a lot of
the arguments for Brexit
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{\an8}were just crazy. I mean, false.
I mean, they were lies.
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{\an8}I said, "Well, one argument they're
making is that there's going to be
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{\an8}"this easy trade deal with the
United States if we tear up our
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"trade deals with Europe", and he
says, "That's obviously nonsense."
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Obama said, you know, "You guys
would be at the back of the queue",
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kind of as a joke, in a way,
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and everybody kind of chuckled.
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He said, "Do you think it would be
helpful if I said that?"
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And I said, "Yeah, I think
it will be helpful
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"because it's going to puncture
this Brexit myth."
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Some of the folks on the other side
have been ascribing
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to the United States
certain actions we'll take if
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the UK does leave the EU.
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{\an8}And we were all in the campaign
gathered around the television set,
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{\an8}dozens of us, all, you know,
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in silent anticipation.
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I figured you might want to
hear it from the President
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of the United States what I think
the United States is going to do,
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and UK is going to be
in the back of the queue.
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A huge cheer went up
when Obama said this
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and we thought, "Wow, we've done it!
He's clinched it.
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"He's made the argument
in one fell swoop."
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{\an8}I was in the back of a black cab
and I was following on Twitter
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what was the reaction
to Obama's comments.
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And then the cab driver
pulled his window back
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and he was listening to
the same story on the radio.
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"Are you hearing this, guv'nor?
Back of the queue?
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"That's not very friendly, is it?
I bet you won't be at the back of
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"the queue when they need another
ally for the next bloody war!"
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British people hate being told
what to do by
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people who don't have
any skin in the game.
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It was a reminder of how
the Westminster bubble
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was just talking to itself.
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- Ten years ago.
God, amazing.
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It both seems unimaginably distant
and like yesterday.
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The vote to leave the European Union
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changed the course
of British history.
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Ten years on, this is the story
of how it happened,
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told by those inside the campaigns.
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Loved that bus. I loved that bus.
It was the bus of truth, by the way.
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We had sort of entered
the post-truth age
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of political campaigns.
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Johnson, you're a liar!
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From about two weeks before
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I said, "I think this thing
is going to go down."
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Let's make June the 23rd, 2016,
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Independence Day. Let's do it.
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With just four months to go
until the referendum,
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the British media had one obsession.
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Would Boris Johnson campaign
to stay in or leave the EU?
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I was at our house in Colebrooke Row
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and, as the day went by,
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more and more press
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were gathering outside.
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So what starts as a sort of low hum
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becomes much, much louder.
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Good afternoon.
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I arrive back at our house
in Islington
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to find the whole place
absolutely swarming, erm,
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with representatives of...
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You know, TV journalists...
Everybody's there.
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I remember it being
incredibly stressful
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just not being able to control
this press presence.
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- Boris!
- Boris, just over the shoulder!
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I felt under huge pressure -
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emotional, psychological pressure -
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to come up with a decision.
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{\an8}He walked over to me, he stared me
in the face, and he said,
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{\an8}"What do you think I should do?",
and I looked at him and I said,
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"What do I think YOU should do?!"
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I said,
"You've got to be effing joking."
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I said, you know, "I'm just the guy
that smokes fags outside
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"and does your briefing, right?
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"The decision is yours to make
and no-one else's."
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And there was a bit of harrumphing
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and he looked at me
and he just went,
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"You're right. Let's do it."
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In order to psych myself up for
the ordeal of talking to the media,
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erm, which I don't want to do
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but they're all outside the house
and they won't go away, erm...
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...I do some press ups in the hope of
getting some, you know,
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endorphins or something
so that I can kind of, you know...
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We were heading to the door
and I said, "Hang on,
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"have you let Dave know
the decision?", and he was like,
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"Oh, Christ, Cameron!
Let me text him, let me text him."
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Text Dave a slightly emollient text,
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you know,
trying to sort of cheer him up,
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saying, you know, "I'm sure
we'll lose anyway, but there you go.
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"This is what I have to do."
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It was such a Boris phrase, saying,
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{\an8}"I know that Brexit will be crushed
like the toad under the harrow
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"but I feel I have to support it."
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Hi, there. Hi, there.
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The last thing I wanted
was to go against
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David Cameron or the Government,
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but after a great deal of heartache
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I don't think there's
anything else I can do.
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I will be advocating Vote Leave,
or whatever the team is called.
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I thought it was a brave thing to do
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and rather idealistic in a way.
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None of us knew
what was going to happen
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and it was a leap in the dark.
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Anyone would think
he likes the attention.
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Love him or loathe him,
you can't ignore him.
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Boris Johnson has just taken
a huge political jump
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that could change this campaign.
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Look, it was a big blow. Erm...
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He had the... You know,
a high favourability rating.
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He was listened to on this issue.
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It was going to make a massive
difference in the campaign.
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The next day,
Cameron prepared to launch
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the referendum campaign
in Parliament,
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knowing his most dangerous opponent
was now on his own backbenches.
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I don't think at that point
he really believed in it.
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He believed it was going to lose
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but he thought he was on
a sort of bet to nothing
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by supporting Leave
because he would be,
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you know, a sort of patriotic hero.
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I remember thinking
it was nothing to do with
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{\an8}the EU,
Britain's place in the world,
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{\an8}the single market.
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{\an8}It was Game of Thrones, that's
what Boris Johnson was playing,
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and he could see the Iron Throne
right there about to be vacated.
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Order! Statement!
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The Prime Minister.
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Thank you, Mr Speaker.
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We are a great country
and whatever choice we make,
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we will still be great,
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but I believe the choice is between
being an even greater Britain
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inside a reformed EU
or a great leap into the unknown.
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So, in the statement, there were
some very, very clear barbs there
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which were designed to put
the idea about that Boris Johnson,
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maybe he's just positioning himself
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so that he can get the keys
to Number 10 when it's all done.
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Mr Speaker,
let me end by saying this.
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I am not standing for re-election.
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I have no other agenda...
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I have no other agenda
than what is best for our country.
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It was clear that the attack on our
campaign was going to be personal
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and that the way they were going
to try to defeat the arguments
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for Leave was by playing the man,
not the ball.
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It wasn't just the Conservatives
who were divided.
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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn
was preparing
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to give his first speech
of the campaign.
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Jeremy wanted to use that speech
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to set out his own personal, erm...
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...development on the issue
of the EU,
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because he was constantly
being attacked
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for being a closet Eurosceptic.
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I was under a lot of questions
all the time about it
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and so I thought it's important
that we actually stop this question
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of sort of corridor conversations
the whole time with everybody.
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We sent the draft to him
that was very clear.
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"That's why I want Britain to remain
in the European Union."
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And it would come back amended.
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"So that's why Labour wants Britain
to remain in the European Union."
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We've changed it around
quite a bit, actually.
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Well, they're very keen on "I".
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I'm not.
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There's no "I" in Corbyn.
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"We."
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I was trying to present
"we" as the campaign,
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"we" as the party,
"we" as the movement.
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APPLAUSE
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It's now a crucial
democratic opportunity
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for people to have their say
on our country's future
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and the future of our continent
as a whole.
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As Alan explained, the Labour Party
is overwhelmingly for staying in.
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I thought, well,
at the end of the day,
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this guy is never going to give
his wholehearted support here.
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A lot of people saw the referendum
as a cipher
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for their own anger
at their life in our society.
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Going around and telling them
to vote for the EU,
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which is trying to bring in
more free market economics,
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isn't going to work
and isn't going to cut it.
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With two months to go,
Cameron sent out his troops
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to launch the Government's campaign.
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{\an8}So the four of us walked out
into this big manufacturing hall
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with podiums lined up
one after the other.
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The riflemen
at the front of the battle.
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It was a big moment for us because
it was us launching the number
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{\an8}that we could then put on billboards
and put in the adverts
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{\an8}and put in the leaflets
that would go around the country.
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The Treasury has run the numbers.
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- Liz Truss wasn't Liz Truss then.
- SHE CHUCKLES
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She was one of the team on Remain.
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If productivity falls,
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we will see lower wages in Britain,
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consumption will fall
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and people will be
permanently poorer.
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It was very clear
in the EU referendum
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that people, emotionally,
were quite attached
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to the idea of independence
and standing up for Britain
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and being against Europe.
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But the thing that concerned them,
those people,
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was the economic cost, the risk.
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The central estimate
is that, in the long run,
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GDP would be over 6% smaller
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and Britain would be worse
off by £4,300 per household.
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It was all over the focus groups
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and it went down
like a bucket of cold sick.
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"Why isn't it 4,250 or 4,150?" They
said, "How could you possibly know?"
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Which, by the way,
is a good question.
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This equation that's in
the 200-page Treasury document,
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which comes to the conclusion
that if Britain votes to leave
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the European Union, it will cost
each and every household £4,300.
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You can't sit down with them
and say, "Let us explain
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"our economic modelling to you.
Do you have Excel on your computer?"
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I mean, you know, you can't do that.
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Try and say that out loud because
I'm not sure I could do that.
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- It's...?
- Oh, my God.
- Get your glasses on.
- Really?
- Yes!
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I, N, brackets, I, F, D, I,
close brackets,
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equals A to the power of I, J,
plus A, one, I, N,
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brackets, Y, I, T,
close brackets, plus...
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I went back to the team and I said,
"It's very simple, guys.
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"We are never using the words
£4,300 ever again."
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The Treasury got a real bashing
and I got a real bashing,
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but this is how we'd won
the last general election,
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this is how Tony Blair
and Margaret Thatcher
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had won elections
in the decades before us.
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If we vote to leave
on the 23rd of June,
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we will be voting for higher prices.
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Vote Leave had produced
their own figure.
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{\an8}The point of using that,
really, was to try and...
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{\an8}To try and drive
the Remain campaign
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and the people running it crazy.
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{\an8}Probably one of the happiest moments
of the campaign
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{\an8}was when it as all agreed and
just knowing how certain people
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were going to react when we used
the £350 million figure.
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Essentially, you have
a powerful government
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that just won the election
and had a very powerful ability
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to control how the media
reported the campaign.
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CHEERING
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Vote Leave now had their messenger.
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- Can we do it? I think we can.
- CHEERING
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And to attract non-Tory voters,
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Labour's most prominent Brexiteer,
Gisela Stuart,
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was sent around the country
with him.
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- Vote leave.
- Vote leave.
- Vote leave.
- Vote leave.
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{\an8}I had the first experience
of what it's like
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{\an8}to campaign with someone
like Boris Johnson.
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-
- Boris! Boris!
Boris! Boris! Boris!
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People would be in upstairs windows,
opening their windows,
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waving at him and shouting at him.
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You almost got the sense
that Boris's presence
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gave people permission to be
enthusiastic about something,
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which they were told
by everybody else
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they should not be
enthusiastic about.
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Thank you. Thank you very much.
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There you go. A delicious ice cream.
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Cameras were there,
we were given ice cream.
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At that moment, I start to panic
because ice cream
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has a habit of dripping.
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A woman in the crowd
just stepped out and said,
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"Mr Johnson,
can I eat your ice cream?"
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- Go on, you have the whole thing.
- Thank you very much.
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There you go.
It's a delicious ice cream.
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So these were the days when people
were still so loving and trusting
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as to take an ice cream
from my hands and eat it.
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So it was...
HE CHUCKLES
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It was wonderful.
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{\an8}Boris had sort of chuckled nervously
over the fact that £350 million...
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{\an8}"We send the EU 350 million a week"
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{\an8}was plastered on the side
of the bus.
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And I think he was like,
"How are we going to defend this?"
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Let's deal with your arguments. One
of them is on the side of this bus.
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We send £350 million to Europe.
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- We don't and you know we don't know.
- We do.
- No, we don't.
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"Yes, it is", "No, it's not",
"Yes, it is", "No, it's not",
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like some comedy caper on the bus.
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Admit that figure is grotesquely
misleading at best.
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No, I won't, I won't, I won't.
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And Dominic's view
when we raised it with him
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was simply just let them
keep raising the issue.
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You're wandering around this country
with a dirty, great lie on the side
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- of your bus.
- No, because that
gross figure is the right figure.
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Because if they say, "It's not
£350 million, it's £170 million",
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anyone at home is just going
to be looking and thinking,
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"£170 million a week?
That's a fuck of a lot of money."
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This bus has a lot of miles
to travel in the coming weeks.
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There's a lot of debate
to be had on both sides.
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Tamsin Melville, BBC Spotlight,
St Austell.
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I remember having a conversation
with the BBC, saying,
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"Every single interview you do,
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{\an8}"every single piece of film
that you use has got this in it."
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It's full throttle
for the Leave campaign.
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"You are allowing them to put
their campaign message across
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"that is not true
over and over and over again."
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And I remember the person
at the BBC just sort of,
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like, shrugging their shoulders
and saying,
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"What do you expect me
to do about it?"
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You can see Boris Johnson attempting
to angle grind it into oblivion.
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Nigel Farage was determined not to
let Boris Johnson steal the show.
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He was running a separate
Leave campaign
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and took his own bus and message
on tour around the country.
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{\an8}Boris comes out and says, "Yeah...",
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{\an8}you know,
"..I'm going to embrace leave."
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I said, "Thank goodness for that.
He'll help get us over the line."
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But never for one moment
did I think I could step back.
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I'd already been on this journey
for well over 20 years.
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So we did it with a bit of noise,
we did it with a bit of colour.
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THEY SING ALONG TO THE THEME MUSIC
OF 'THE GREAT ESCAPE'
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Do you like the theme tune,
The Great Escape?
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Because that's what we've got to do,
isn't it? We've got to escape.
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Who do you think came up
with the idea? Nigel.
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He's a pantomime vaudeville act.
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Are you voting for Brexit, sir?
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50-50?
It's going to be really close.
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This bus was shit.
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To get it repainted was more
expensive than the actual bus.
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It was falling to bits.
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It was a mess inside.
No toilets, no seats downstairs,
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and a driver who should never be
allowed to drive ever.
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We knew that borders, mass migration
were huge, huge issues,
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and we knew that we had to
prosecute that argument
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because a softer
Vote Leave campaign,
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particularly with Johnson on board,
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were unlikely to make it.
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We've given away everything.
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We piled into immigration and
the engagement was extraordinary.
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We've given away our passports.
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The places we had chosen,
these were all Labour heartlands.
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We realised that it was
in the Labour heartlands,
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the working men and women,
that felt left behind
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and disconnected
from the political discourse.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Boris and I did speak on the phone
very regularly through the campaign,
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compared notes, talked about
who was doing what,
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who was visiting where,
so we did talk.
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I do remember talking once,
at least once,
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probably at most once to Nigel
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about the way the campaign was going
and what we could do together.
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I said to Boris one Sunday morning,
"What about we all merge in,
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"I don't know, Andover?
Anywhere you like."
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"Oh, yes", he said. "It'll be like
the Russians and the Americans
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"meeting on the Elbe in 1945."
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I said, "Well, I hadn't quite
thought of it that way,
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"but, I mean, fine", you know?
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And he was very enthused by it.
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And then he said to me,
"Let me ask my people."
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"Sorry? What do you mean?"
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Dominic Cummings' view was that
Nigel Farage had ardent support
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{\an8}but there was a ceiling to it
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{\an8}and that you would never win
a campaign that Nigel Farage led
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{\an8}if you needed more than 50%
of the public to support it.
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There was a sense that there was
a possibility that Farage
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could somehow taint the campaign
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and engagement with him
was not a good look.
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{\an8}I was really clear,
Dom was really clear,
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{\an8}everyone in the campaign was clear -
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{\an8}absolutely not.
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Cummings may not have wanted
to join forces with Farage,
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but he wasn't above stealing
his message on immigration.
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We are giving £2 billion
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to Macedonia, Serbia, Albania,
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Montenegro and Turkey
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to join the EU.
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{\an8}I was at my in-laws in Wiltshire
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{\an8}and I got a call from Boris
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and I went outside
to the front gate to take it,
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and when I pressed the button,
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I went to put it up to my...
And it was like that.
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I hated it and I was very angry
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and I thought this wasn't agreed,
this wasn't what we wanted,
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and, you know, I hit the roof.
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"Have you seen the effing poster?
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"Have you seen the effing advert
from Dominic?"
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You know, I've got Turkish
ancestors myself. Very proud of it.
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I thought to start casting it
purely in terms of, erm,
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being hostile to immigrants...
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Which is partly, by the way,
sorry, the problem with,
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you know, the other chap
we've just been talking about,
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because their campaign was all
about being hostile to immigrants
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and that wasn't where I was.
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I put the phone on the gate
and stepped back a few feet
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and I could still hear him.
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And I went back to get the phone
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and I urged him to calm down.
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Everybody who knows anything
about the subject
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knows there was not a cat's chance
in Hades of Turkey joining the EU.
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Erm, that wasn't going to happen.
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He said to me, "I'm getting in the
car, I'm driving back to London.
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"I'm going to have it out with him.
I'm going to have it out with him."
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And I thought, Christ, he's going
to go round to Dominic's
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and whack him.
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I wish I had. God, it would have
saved me a lot of trouble.
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That would have been a brilliant
idea! God, I wish I'd done that!
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What a fantastic thing to have done.
Erm...
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I think I thought about resigning
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but in the end I just
dissociated myself from that.
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There were moments in the campaign
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where you just couldn't believe
what you were seeing.
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Sort of nativist, Faragist,
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{\an8}bunch of claims about immigration
that simply aren't true,
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and the idea that Turkey
was going to join the EU
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any time soon was nonsense.
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{\an8}I constantly said to David Cameron,
"We need to be clear on this.
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{\an8}"We have to make clear
that we have a veto
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"and that we would use it
in any suggestion
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"that Turkey was going to
join the EU."
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It was very difficult
because I was a campaigner
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but I was also the Prime Minister,
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erm, and there were, you know,
important relationships,
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whether with Turkey
or other European countries
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that, you know, you're trying
to think, "I have to think
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"about these relationships
as well as about the campaign."
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This idea that there was going
to be a sort of, you know,
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reasoned debate
just disappeared out the window,
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and, I mean,
it was a political campaign
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and it was a very hard-fought,
sometimes quite grubby campaign.
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Good morning.
It's 13 minutes to eight.
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The Sun, in its lead, says claims
have been swirling around
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Westminster and online
that Marina Wheeler was the QC
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caught in a drunken clinch
with another lawyer
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at Waterloo Station last summer.
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I got wind of the fact that
there was a rumour around about me.
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I don't remember the details
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but it definitely involved
some knickers somewhere.
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Anyway, first, I didn't think
very much about it and I thought,
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"Well, it will be obvious
it wasn't me
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"because I wasn't in the country
at that time."
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But then I did start to think
people were avoiding me.
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I was very, very wound up
by the personal attacks.
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Not just playing the man, not the
ball, but playing the man's wife!
439
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And, you know, what kind of
politics is it
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where they go for people's wives?
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Dominic Cummings saw an opportunity.
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{\an8}We convene in Dom's office
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{\an8}and Dom says, "This is Osborne.
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"This has to be Osborne."
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And we immediately
just explain it to Boris.
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{\an8}An additional kiloton of iron
entered his soul at that point.
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I probably thought,
"Well, sod it", you know?
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"Don't get mad, get even."
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And I thought, "Well,
we've just got to win this thing."
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And it was from that moment
that he said,
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"I am prepared to go on TV tomorrow
and talk about immigration."
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George Osborne says
it's utterly untrue
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he was the source of the article.
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Nonetheless, Cummings' claim worked.
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Boris Johnson took the gloves off
at a crucial moment -
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the day the annual immigration
figures were announced.
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We went to Four Millbank,
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{\an8}where we do all the interviews
for the various broadcasters...
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...and I remember walking up
the stairs
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{\an8}as the numbers arrived, and they
pinged into my inbox on my phone,
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{\an8}and I remember looking at it
and thinking, "Crikey."
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He went and articulated
and bossed an argument
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that was all the more compelling
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because he was a pro-immigration
Mayor of London.
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These figures have just come out.
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What do you make of them
in the broad sense?
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I think that they show the scandal
468
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,719
of the promise made
by politicians repeatedly
469
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,919
that they could cut immigration
to the tens of thousands.
470
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,039
We've now got a city the size
of Oxford from the EU alone.
471
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,359
333,000 net
from all around the world.
472
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,039
The situation is completely
out of control.
473
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,279
The only way to sort it out
is vote leave on June the 23rd
474
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,960
and take back control.
475
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,679
I was very concerned about this
because, to be frank about it,
476
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,519
when we were talking about
the economy, we were winning,
477
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,280
when we were talking about
immigration, we were losing.
478
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,519
The team running the Remain campaign
wanted the Prime Minister
479
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,000
to challenge Vote Leave's
immigration offensive.
480
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,719
{\an8}I said, "We've really got to make
a blockbuster speech
481
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,039
{\an8}"and confront them over this issue
of immigration."
482
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,279
I think I was very clear,
483
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,359
I think Peter Mandelson was clear
484
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:59,519
that it wasn't enough
simply to go on the economy.
485
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,759
That while our economic message
was critical,
486
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,159
it was necessary for us to win
the campaign, it was not sufficient.
487
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,759
I said this to Number 10,
but they said,
488
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,559
"No. No, no, no, no, no.
We've got to stick to economics.
489
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,039
{\an8}"The moment we start talking
about immigration,
490
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,999
"we'll start playing their game."
491
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,839
{\an8}The decision was taken
that we shouldn't go out there
492
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,759
{\an8}and add more fuel to the fire,
493
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,679
{\an8}that we actually needed to
double down on the economy
494
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,360
and wrecking the economy
being the centre of our campaign.
495
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,840
{\an8}Now a referendum campaign broadcast
by the Stronger in Europe campaign.
496
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,039
This is Sam.
497
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,999
He's 14 months old.
498
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,959
How you vote in the European
referendum will shape his future
499
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,519
and the future of everyone
in our country.
500
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,759
If we remain in Europe,
there will be more opportunities
501
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,919
for our children
to follow their dreams
502
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,839
and make the most out of life
503
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,719
because being in Europe
helps our businesses grow.
504
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,039
{\an8}We had to keep doubling down
on the economy
505
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,279
{\an8}because that was the one issue
that might switch people
506
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,720
who otherwise were going
to vote leave.
507
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,759
Despite refusing to confront
immigration head on,
508
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,519
Cameron chose to share a platform
with Nigel Farage,
509
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,479
hoping to expose the leader
of a party he'd once described
510
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,079
as a bunch of fruitcakes,
loonies and closet racists.
511
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,759
So we arrived for the debate
with Nigel Farage
512
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,039
in the Prime Minister's
official convoy,
513
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,519
only to see this purple
open-top bus
514
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760
with Nigel Farage arriving
at the same time.
515
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,759
He was coming into the green room
and I was wandering out
516
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,239
with a cigarette, actually,
to be honest with you.
517
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,279
So I said, "Nigel, go.
Let's go, go, go.
518
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,439
We could see them walking.
519
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,759
So Nigel... Literally,
we're running to get to this door,
520
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,920
knowing that this collision
would be news.
521
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,679
So I said, "Hello, David."
He's like, "Ooh..."
522
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,919
I mean, he sort of asked how I was
and we exchanged pleasantries.
523
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,399
I looked at him and I thought,
"I'll tell you what,
524
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,639
"if I feel nervous,
you look really nervous."
525
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,039
You know, the concept of doing
something with Farage was different
526
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,279
but, on the other hand,
I was persuaded,
527
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,519
well, actually, having a moment
where you can see
528
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,039
what lies behind the campaign,
ie Farage,
529
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,439
and what the Prime Minister
is saying,
530
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,559
that's a good contrast.
531
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,320
APPLAUSE
532
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,279
Good evening. There are now just
16 days to go before the UK
533
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,479
makes a momentous decision to stay
in or to leave the European Union.
534
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,639
First up this evening
is Nigel Farage.
535
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,199
Hi, Nigel.
536
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,519
I know a lot of people...
I have an access to
537
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,919
a predominantly black
British audience,
538
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,519
and a lot of the concerns
that they have raised
539
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,359
is that you are going to increase
540
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,719
the fear and discrimination
of black British people
541
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,919
through your anti-immigration
rhetoric.
542
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,879
- Well...
- Are you encouraging racism?
543
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,519
I don't think you could be
more wrong, and here's why.
544
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,759
I take a very strongly
pro-Commonwealth view.
545
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,279
I think it was very bad and wrong
of us to turn our backs
546
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,039
on the Commonwealth in favour
of a European political project.
547
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,039
- You're still anti-immigration,
so I don't see...
- I'm sorry...
548
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,759
You are anti-immigration.
549
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,439
You've used scaremongering
and inflammatory comments
550
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,759
in your campaign that have gone
against people that look non-white.
551
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,279
- If you really...
- How are non-white British people
552
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,039
going to stop facing discrimination
about their identity
553
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,399
and nationality in this country?
That is what I really want to know.
554
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,759
It was quite difficult,
555
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,759
with a very engaged,
556
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,479
quite noisy studio audience,
to get through.
557
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,679
- You know, if you want to think
that...
- I don't "think" that.
558
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,679
The majority of people that look
black, British or non-white...
559
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,359
- Well, lots of them...
- ...have those
concerns.
- I can't do a lot
560
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,159
- unless I'm allowed talk.
- She's put
a very clear question to you.
561
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,919
I'm explaining to you
our current open border policy
562
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,839
is damaging all of our communities,
563
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,519
and here's our chance, maybe our
one and only chance as a nation,
564
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,160
to get a grip on this issue.
565
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,559
Next, it was Cameron's turn,
566
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,519
but the immigration issue
didn't go away.
567
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,279
I voted for you in the last election
because one of the things
568
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,519
on your manifesto
was to get immigration down.
569
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,119
You haven't been able to do that
because you're not allowed
570
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,759
to do that. That's the bottom line.
571
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,519
I don't agree with that. I think
the biggest risk we can take
572
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,519
is to pull out of the EU,
pull out of the single market,
573
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,759
damage our businesses, damage jobs,
574
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,119
and there'll be fewer opportunities
for our children and grandchildren.
575
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,199
And I say again, I hope that when
people go to vote on June the 23rd,
576
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,439
they vote to say we don't want
little England of Nigel Farage,
577
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,359
we want to be Great Britain and
we're great if we stay in these
578
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,240
organisations and fight for
the sort of values we believe in.
579
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,039
With a fortnight to go,
the Remain campaign
580
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,520
sought to demonstrate another cost
of leaving the EU.
581
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,239
-
- Two retirees
on a morning stroll,
582
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,279
except John Major and Tony Blair
were in Northern Ireland
583
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,520
on business, walking the famous
Peace Bridge for a purpose.
584
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,039
The two former prime ministers
argued a vote to leave
585
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,480
would put at risk the peace
they had painfully constructed.
586
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,279
So throw away the membership
of Europe
587
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,039
and don't be surprised if,
in the end, as a consequence,
588
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,479
we accidentally throw away
our union as well.
589
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,519
We say to the Leave campaign
very directly,
590
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,039
you have fundamental questions
to answer about Northern Ireland
591
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,679
about the Common Travel Area,
about the effect of leaving the EU
592
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,080
on the future make-up
of the United Kingdom.
593
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,959
That night, on national TV,
Remain drove the point home.
594
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,799
We've had two former prime ministers
in Ireland today
595
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,519
pointing out the issue there, where
once more Vote Leave have no plan
596
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,639
for what the border would look like.
We don't know.
597
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,359
There is danger to the union as well
from this proposal to leave.
598
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,399
There is a successful union
and it's a United Kingdom.
599
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,359
There's an unsuccessful union
and it's called the European Union.
600
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,879
What really, really mattered was
repetition of take back control.
601
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,559
Boris Johnson.
602
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,519
On June the 23rd, we all face
a historic choice -
603
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,039
to remain locked in a European Union
604
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,319
or to take back control.
605
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,599
- Take back control.
- Take back
control.
- Take back control.
606
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,479
It was destabilising
607
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,999
{\an8}to have them constantly saying "Take
back control" at us the whole time.
608
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,999
- Take back control.
- To take back control.
609
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,999
Take back control
of huge sums of money.
610
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,039
Being repeated and repeated
and repeated.
611
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,279
Take back control of our borders,
take back control of our economic
612
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,479
policy, our tax, our trade, and
take back control of our democracy.
613
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,319
It was a simple answer
to a complicated question
614
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,240
and it implied to people that they
had some sort of control as well.
615
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,839
There's another one.
616
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,320
...dictating to us how we ran our
country. I want my country back.
617
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,519
As door-to-door campaigning
ramped up in the final two weeks,
618
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,279
Leave's message
was clearly resonating
619
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,360
with traditional Labour voters.
620
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,919
People realise now nothing changes.
621
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,159
That's why they're looking
for an alternative.
622
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,560
I know the 1% in their ivory towers
are just laughing their tits off.
623
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,519
It became clear to me
the Remain message
624
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,599
was not cutting through at all,
625
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239
erm, in working class communities
626
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:40,439
in the Midlands or the North.
627
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,079
Jeremy was continually
campaigning throughout.
628
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,679
I mean, he was actually
probably more extensive
629
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,279
than any other party leader.
630
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,120
I mean, he did rallies
in every part of Britain.
631
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,039
I went to Aberdeen because I was
told, "This is going to be great.
632
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,439
"People in Scotland
are totally going to vote yes.
633
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,679
"You'll get a great reception and
they'll understand your message."
634
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,119
I said, "OK."
635
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,279
Those who want to tear up
regulations
636
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,759
are those that want to tear up
workers' rights.
637
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,759
We know which side we -
the Labour Party - are on, OK?
638
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,559
CHEERING
639
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,519
It ends up with a whole lot
of people
640
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,359
from the fishing industry turn up.
641
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,919
They've seen cuts,
they've seen austerity,
642
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,439
their kids are in debt, their
kids can't get council housing,
643
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,919
"And you expect us
to stay in the European Union?"
644
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,039
...politics in the West Midlands.
645
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,039
CHEERING
646
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,679
Fearing the worst,
Cameron wanted Corbyn to campaign
647
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,520
at more high profile media events
in the final stretch.
648
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,519
There was a speech at De Montfort
University where I stood aside
649
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,039
and gave the platform
to the Leader of the Opposition -
650
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,519
to the leader of the Labour Party,
and they didn't step up.
651
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,039
I only actually heard about this
sort of second hand, basically,
652
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,279
because people said to me,
653
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,279
"Cameron wants you to speak
in De Montfort University."
654
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,279
I said, "Well, whatever Cameron
wants is not my business."
655
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,040
APPLAUSE
656
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,839
I came in at the last minute.
657
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,639
I wasn't really supposed to be
doing that speech.
658
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,279
Maybe I was the fifth, sixth
or seventh choice, I don't know,
659
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,759
but I ended up there
and we had a good meeting.
660
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,359
45% of our exports
go to the European Union.
661
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,119
3.2 million jobs related
to these exports to Europe.
662
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,039
And if we lost these jobs,
it would be a huge disaster
663
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,479
for industrial communities
who depend on them.
664
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,039
Of course, if we didn't have
all Labour figures working together,
665
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,279
doing the same things and saying
roughly the same things at the same
666
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,759
time, it wasn't going to have
the difference it should have made.
667
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,279
From our point of view,
and the kind of approach
668
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,039
which was favoured by the kind of
traditional Labour establishment,
669
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,359
was really having no impact at all
670
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,160
and was, if anything,
turning people off more.
671
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,759
With just eight days to go,
672
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,040
Remain worried their warnings
had not got through.
673
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,919
Standing alongside
his Labour predecessor,
674
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,919
the Chancellor threatened voters
if the UK left the EU
675
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,120
he would introduce an immediate
emergency budget.
676
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,279
There will be a hole
in the public finances.
677
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,519
You've got chancellors from two
different political parties saying
678
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,279
that taxes will have to go up,
spending will have to be cut.
679
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,439
That is the reality
of quitting the EU.
680
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,279
I was utterly committed
to trying to win this campaign
681
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,239
because I was utterly convinced
that it was a disaster for Britain.
682
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,439
The sorts of tax rises we could see
include a 2p rise
683
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,359
on the basic rate of income tax,
684
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,839
a 3p rise in the higher rate,
685
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,519
5% increases in duties
on alcohol and on fuel,
686
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,639
a 5% increase in the basic rate
of inheritance tax.
687
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,119
Suddenly, all these Tories came out,
many of whom had been my friends
688
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,119
in the past and said, "George
Osborne has crossed the line.
689
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,639
"This is outrageous.
We won't support this budget."
690
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,479
{\an8}It was plainly untrue that
691
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,759
{\an8}these things would come to pass,
692
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,919
{\an8}which it promised. It was plainly
not what would ever happen.
693
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,919
We recognise that this is just
a scary story, a campaign tactic.
694
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,279
We don't expect it ever
to be brought forward.
695
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,119
It would be a repudiation
of many of our manifesto promises
696
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,279
and that's why we won't
stand for it.
697
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,839
Within hours, Steve Baker
had got more than 50 Tory MPs
698
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,759
to sign a statement threatening
to bring down their own government
699
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,599
if Osborne proceeded
with his budget.
700
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,279
It was a great campaigning moment
to take the wheels
701
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,639
off George Osborne's nonsense,
and actually gives me some pleasure
702
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,279
to have done it, given the contempt
which actually I feel
703
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,039
for that kind of campaigning tactic,
to have destroyed it.
704
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,679
That's definitely the moment when,
you know,
705
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,039
Second Lieutenant George Osborne
got out of the trenches
706
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,679
and got shot by the machineguns
on the other side.
707
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,279
And, you know,
my own kind of ambitions
708
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,200
to be leader of the Tory Party
probably died that day.
709
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,759
With civil war breaking out
inside Parliament,
710
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,759
outside Nigel Farage
was heading there
711
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,279
with an armada of angry fishermen
712
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,760
who believed the EU
was destroying their livelihoods.
713
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,999
We had little boats that had
come from Bradwell in Essex.
714
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,079
We had a huge pelagic vessel
715
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,280
that had come down
from the north of Scotland.
716
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,559
But some ardent Remainers
717
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,920
were determined to drown out
Farage's flotilla.
718
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,719
Blow me down, onboard is Bob Geldof,
719
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,039
Boris Johnson's sister,
720
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,999
many of the great and the good
from Kensington and Chelsea.
721
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,279
Bob Geldof called and said
would I like to be in involved
722
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,559
in some crazed stunt
that he was organising,
723
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,199
so I said, "No."
724
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,199
I said, "Why not?, and she said,
725
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,439
{\an8}"Because I don't want to just
publicly go against my brother."
726
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,040
I said, "It's got nothing to do with
Boris, it's about stopping Nigel."
727
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,439
And they were trying to cut us up,
and so our boat was going like this
728
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,080
with all these little
trawlers, like Wacky Races.
729
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,639
At which point the husband of an MP,
Jo Cox,
730
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,799
came swarming out
from amongst all these barges.
731
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,839
Brendan Cox with his two kids
with their In flags.
732
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,199
Up then pipes this huge,
great big loudspeaker.
733
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,239
You are no fisherman's friend!
734
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,719
You are on the European Parliament
Fishing Committee,
735
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:38,719
and you attended
one out of 43 meetings!
736
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:39,959
You're a fraud, Nigel!
737
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,199
"You're a fraud, Nigel!
You're a fraud!"
738
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Go back down the river,
cos you're up one without a canoe.
739
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,679
We were broadsiding them
with rock and roll, you know?
740
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,599
"I'm in with the in crowd."
741
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,999
♪ I go where the in crowd goes... ♪
742
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,959
I've got Woodstock,
I've got Live Aid,
743
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,919
I've got Glastonbury on my boat.
744
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,679
♪ And I know
what the in crowd knows... ♪
745
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,439
And the harbour master
keeps coming up to our boat
746
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,399
and telling us
to turn the music down.
747
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,439
Bob Geldof says, "Well, there's only
one thing to do at this point."
748
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,959
And I was like, "What's that?"
749
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,599
He said, "Well, I'm going to
ring the Prime Minister."
750
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,359
He says, "Bob, I'm really busy."
751
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,399
I just sort of talked to him and
said, "Look, I've got to get on
752
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,679
- "with Prime Minister's Questions."
- And I said,
753
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,519
"Farage is coming up the river
to park outside Parliament
754
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,839
"with a load of fishermen
and disrupting PMQs."
755
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,879
He says, "Who told you that?"
756
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,519
I said, "What do you mean,
who told me that? We're there now."
757
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,959
I wasn't quite sure
what I was meant to do,
758
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,319
so I think it was a
relatively brief conversation.
759
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,439
I couldn't suddenly
call the Coastguard.
760
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,959
♪ Spending cash, talking trash... ♪
761
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,999
The volume
was absolutely extraordinary,
762
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,639
and the level of personal invective
and abuse
763
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,519
that was used against me was huge.
764
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,639
♪ I don't care where you've been
765
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,639
♪ You ain't been nowhere
till you been in... ♪
766
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,519
Sometimes things
can be reduced to a gesture,
767
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,879
you know, you can go like that
768
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,839
or you can go like that.
I go with the latter.
769
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,239
There were these wonderful
fishing boats with, you know,
770
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,239
adorned with these
kind of salty dog types.
771
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:25,439
And there we were,
these metropolitan wankers.
772
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,599
And suddenly the fishermen,
773
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,480
they're surrounding me now
and going...
774
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,679
...apoplectic.
775
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,199
Really, I've never seen people
so dangerously angry.
776
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,759
And that's when it turned
to Geldof against the fishermen
777
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,879
as opposed to Geldof against me.
778
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,399
There was one guy screaming at me,
779
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,199
really alongside our boat.
780
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,360
And I just said,
"Well, come on board."
781
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,559
You're all wrong. And I will
stand on this boat and I'll say
782
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,519
you are wrong and you are wrong
and you are wrong and you're wrong.
783
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,360
Not one of you lot look like you
have come out of Southend-on-Sea.
784
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,840
Everything in that man's voice...
785
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,039
...you know, everything, his anger,
786
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,159
his rage about his future
or the future of his family,
787
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,839
everything was wrapped up
in his loathing of me
788
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,599
and all the people
who were trying to stop Brexit.
789
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,479
- Boris will help us.
- No, he won't.
- He will.
790
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,320
Referendum aren't about facts.
It's all about emotion.
791
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,399
And that landed.
792
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,839
Traitor! Traitor!
793
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,919
And that was the moment we won,
794
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,760
I think, the biggest PR victory
of the whole campaign.
795
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,919
The next day,
Farage staged another event,
796
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:56,079
determined immigration dominate
the final days of the campaign.
797
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,000
I see poster trucks there and there.
798
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,239
The more outrageous you are,
the more attention you get.
799
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,840
The more attention you get,
the more outrageous you become.
800
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,199
Well, joining me is the UKIP leader
Nigel Farage.
801
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,959
And let me put it to you, that is
an extraordinarily incendiary poster
802
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,959
to suggest Britain is somehow
at breaking point.
803
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,920
It was a very powerful image.
804
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,039
It's an image, by the way,
that if you used it today,
805
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,239
you'd probably get
very little criticism.
806
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,319
Every one of these
can get to Calais.
807
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,759
We know how bad our government is
at defending our borders,
808
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,280
and within a few years, all of these
people will have EU passports.
809
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,879
While the media was going crazy
about this poster,
810
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,919
I got a phone call
811
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,399
from somebody in MI5
812
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,999
who was saying that they thought
813
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,079
that Jo Cox had been
very, very severely injured
814
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,399
by somebody who attacked her.
815
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,279
SIREN WAILS IN DISTANCE
816
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,639
The Labour MP Jo Cox
is in a critical condition
817
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,239
after being shot and stabbed
in her constituency.
818
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,999
What alerted local people
were the sounds of screaming.
819
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,239
Mad, loud, manic screaming,
820
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:17,719
followed immediately by people
rushing out to her aid with towels
821
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:23,159
and tea blankets and suchlike
to try and stem the flow of blood.
822
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,039
She only spoke a couple of days ago
823
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,959
about how excited
the children had been
824
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,679
to be involved in the flotilla
on the Thames
825
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,359
as part of the European referendum
campaigns. Of course,
826
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,759
nobody could have foreseen
that this was going to happen.
827
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,119
I knew Jo Cox well.
828
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,719
She was one of the most tolerant,
829
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,439
outward-going people,
830
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,959
prepared to listen to everybody
831
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,399
and wanting people to come together.
832
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,479
The thing that surprises me
time and time again
833
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,839
as I travel around the constituency
is that we are far more united
834
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,039
and have far more in common
than that which divides us.
835
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,559
She represented something
about tolerance
836
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,239
and about understanding each other
837
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:04,279
and about building bridges
and about cutting across divides.
838
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,799
And yet this campaign
has descended into something
839
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,639
that really does no justice
to the kind of politics
840
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,639
and the kind of society
that we want to see.
841
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,559
-
- This is the man
accused of murdering her.
842
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,639
Eyewitnesses say he said,
"Britain First,"
843
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,999
and, "This is for Britain,"
as he attacked Jo Cox.
844
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,479
{\an8}That night, uh, there was
a conversation on the phone
845
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,279
{\an8}between myself, Gisela,
Boris, and Dominic Cummings.
846
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,319
I remember thinking, you know,
847
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,599
"My God, is this really...
Is it really us who have done...
848
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,079
"Is it... Is it true that
this campaign has released
849
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,399
"these appalling feelings
in people?"
850
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,279
I literally had people
coming up to me and telling me
851
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,840
that I had killed Jo Cox.
852
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,879
Uh, and that's why
it's really, really hard.
853
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,719
All three of us -
Boris, Gisela, and me - were upset.
854
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:01,359
We were convinced, by the way,
that it was over for the campaign.
855
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,880
You know, we thought,
"Well, you know, um...
856
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,039
"..people will think
this is a horrible, nasty, uh,
857
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,599
"xenophobic campaign that's
bringing out the worst in people."
858
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,839
We all agreed
we would stop campaigning.
859
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,959
Do you regret
your breaking point poster?
860
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,439
Well, it said the EU
has failed us all,
861
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,519
and it was designed
for us to say to people
862
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,120
we do not want to stay part
of a union that has failed...
863
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,999
I'm used to criticism,
864
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,319
but that Sunday
was of a different level.
865
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,639
It was of a different level.
866
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,880
Um...
867
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,559
Completely unfair. Unrelated.
868
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,200
But that's by the by.
869
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:50,799
The Remain camp
are using these awful circumstances
870
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,999
to try to say that the motives of
one deranged, dangerous individual
871
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,479
were similar of half the country,
or perhaps more,
872
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,480
who believe we should leave the EU.
873
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,759
I said, "Look, I'm really sorry
that, you know,
874
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,079
"this happened at this moment."
875
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,319
Um, didn't apologise for the poster
itself or the... the... the...
876
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,559
Any sense
of what it was trying to convey,
877
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,879
that Europe's
making a catastrophic mistake.
878
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,439
We shouldn't allow ourselves
to be part of it. Um...
879
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,519
But I apologise, obviously,
if anyone thought that this was
880
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,600
what the Leave campaign was about,
which it clearly wasn't.
881
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,199
The polls were swinging
towards Remain.
882
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,719
David Cameron
wanted to resume campaigning
883
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,439
with a display of national unity.
884
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,959
I remember ringing Gordon with this
idea that we should have, you know,
885
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,799
the four living Prime Ministers -
886
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,439
Tony Blair, Gordon Brown,
John Major and myself -
887
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,999
outside Downing Street
on lecterns, a lectern each,
888
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,039
explaining why we as serving
and previous Prime Ministers
889
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,479
thought it was in Britain's national
interest. We would be stronger,
890
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,279
safer, better off if we stayed.
891
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,999
And I said,
"Look, that will not work,
892
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,159
"because why people
are voting against us,
893
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,519
"particularly Labour voters,
894
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,759
"is they see it
as an establishment stitch-up.
895
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,719
"It's nothing to do with them.
Europe is some far off place
896
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,959
"and it's not really
benefiting their lives."
897
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,199
I respected his arguments,
he's a highly intelligent man,
898
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,159
but I was a bit frustrated
because I thought,
899
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,559
"Look, it may not
be the perfect idea,
900
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,199
"but there's something about the
striking image and reality of people
901
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,119
"with radically different opinions
about life
902
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,639
"saying we should stay in."
903
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,719
And he said,
"We need a shock factor."
904
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:42,439
And I said to him,
"Look, we've had the shock factor.
905
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,760
"Jo Cox was assassinated."
906
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,919
Instead of what I would have called
an establishment stitch-up,
907
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,879
I wanted a different proposal,
which was all the Labour leaders
908
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,879
trying to get the Labour vote out.
909
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,039
That was the vote
that was most at risk
910
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,919
and they would all appear together
and speak together
911
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,639
about the importance
of staying inside the European Union
912
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,560
and leading Europe, not leaving it.
913
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,440
The call was made to Jeremy Corbyn.
914
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,279
I said, "Absolutely, no."
915
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,679
Um... listen, Blair...
916
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,439
...started my leadership campaign
917
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,679
by saying,
918
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,239
"If you've got a heart
to vote for Jeremy Corbyn,
919
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:25,639
"you need a heart transplant."
920
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,839
And he was unremitting
in his attacks and abuse on me
921
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,719
the whole time, and remained so.
922
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:33,759
It was barely a decade after the
923
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,999
invasion/occupation of Iraq.
924
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,199
A significant section
925
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,719
of the British public still regarded
Tony Blair as a war criminal.
926
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,279
Cos the people that had voted for me
had clearly voted for me
927
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,639
as an alternative to Blair,
the war, the free market,
928
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,679
and all the other stuff
that Blair's so keen on.
929
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,720
So, no.
930
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,719
-
- Feeling confident,
Prime Minister?
931
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:01,960
CAMERAS CLICK
932
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,639
Polling day itself
was quite a strange day,
933
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,919
because 23rd of June was the date
that my oldest daughter
934
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,079
was graduating from St Andrews.
935
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,599
And it was a difficult day
because, obviously, Boris was there,
936
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,719
very visible, attracting quite
a lot of, um, notice and attention.
937
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,479
The atmosphere you could have cut
with a knife. I mean, my goodness.
938
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,879
I mean, you could not find
a more Remain, uh, environment.
939
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,839
And, you know, they looked at me
as though like, you know,
940
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,199
God, something the cat brought in.
941
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,479
Things were dragging on a bit
and I remember saying to Marina,
942
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,959
"We've got to go."
943
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,039
We were miles and miles from London
944
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,759
and miles and miles
from the polling station.
945
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,199
It would really not be great
if Boris missed the, um, polls,
946
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,679
having led the Vote Leave campaign.
947
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,120
Um, I don't think he would have
heard the end of that.
948
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,679
We eventually landed
at City Airport in London
949
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,879
with about an hour to go or so.
950
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,120
Boris said, "Let's go on the DLR."
951
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,559
We rushed across to vote
with sort of 15 minutes to spare.
952
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,439
Loads of photographers
follow us back to the house.
953
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,839
We got through the front door
and virtually the first thing
954
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,759
that appears on the BBC
special coverage
955
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,799
is news that Boris Johnson
has told a man on the Underground
956
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,519
that they're not going to win
the referendum.
957
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,959
And I remember looking at him
and just saying,
958
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,640
"How many times have I told you?
Don't speak to people on the Tube."
959
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,559
Good evening and welcome,
at the end of this momentous day,
960
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,999
when each one of us has had
the chance to say
961
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,799
what kind of country
we want to live in.
962
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,399
So, the evening
of the referendum campaign
963
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,959
sort of started quite confidently,
964
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,599
because these opinion poll
organisations were saying, um,
965
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,639
that they thought
that we had won.
966
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,639
The polling stations close after
weeks, months, years of argument
967
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,759
and we'll have the answer
to the question
968
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,119
that's haunted British politics
for so long -
969
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,639
do we want to be in
or out of the EU?
970
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:12,999
When ten o'clock came,
it's like all the adrenaline's gone.
971
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,999
And I said, mistakenly,
"Well, you know what?
972
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,399
"Maybe the other side will win."
973
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,559
Take this with a pinch of salt
but we have had, uh...
974
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,319
We've spoken to Nigel Farage.
975
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,519
{\an8}"It's been an extraordinary
referendum campaign."
976
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,799
{\an8}This is Nigel Farage. "Turnout
looks to be exceptionally high
977
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,119
{\an8}"and looks like
Remain will edge it."
978
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,719
I sort of began to sink a little bit
cos there was nothing more I can do.
979
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,279
I've tried so hard.
980
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,599
The total number of votes cast
in favour of Remain was
981
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,160
51,930.
982
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,799
The total number of votes
cast in favour of Leave was
983
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,279
82,000...
984
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,639
CHEERING
985
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,839
I thought,
"Wow! That's a huge, huge, uh...
986
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,239
"That's much bigger
than they were forecasting."
987
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,479
So I was watching the snake on...
988
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,079
I was watching the Betfair numbers
989
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,079
and seeing suddenly it kinked,
uh, for Leave.
990
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:12,199
{\an8}The total number of votes
cast in favour of Leave was...
991
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,039
{\an8}...67,251.
992
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,679
{\an8}CHEERING
{\an8}Goodbye, Brussels!
993
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,879
I remember my daughter, Nancy,
was sort of sitting next to me
994
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,039
around this table, we were watching
the TV and she sort of said,
995
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,799
"Dad, we're losing this."
And I could... I could feel it.
996
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,679
I remember going up
to my own apartment,
997
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,359
which was in 10 Downing Street,
sort of lying on the sofa,
998
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,519
and my family were asleep -
it was, like, three in the morning -
999
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,439
and just going,
"Everything is in ruins."
1000
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,879
So it wasn't just my own personal
ambitions that were being...
1001
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,719
You know, going up in smoke. It was
also I felt deeply patriotic
1002
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:49,159
that my country was making
a really terrible wrong turn.
1003
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,879
The British people have spoken
and the answer is we're out.
1004
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,759
CHEERING
1005
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,039
I've campaigned for something
1006
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,999
that everybody told me
was a waste of time,
1007
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,479
I was wasting my time.
1008
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:06,199
And a dream that I had
and pursued relentlessly
1009
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,039
had actually come to pass.
1010
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:14,319
Let June the 23rd go down in our
history as our Independence Day!
1011
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,039
CHEERING
1012
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,959
In the end,
Leave had won by 4%,
1013
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,400
52 to 48.
1014
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,039
I just felt I'd have no credibility.
1015
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,279
I felt that the country needed
a new Prime Minister.
1016
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,519
Samantha agreed about that.
1017
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,799
Uh, I remember her saying, you know,
1018
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,519
"Gosh, I just don't think
I can face going out there."
1019
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,279
I love this country and I feel
honoured to have served it,
1020
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,959
and I will do everything I can
in future
1021
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,999
to help this great country succeed.
1022
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,360
Thank you very much.
1023
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,999
And I remember Boris just saying,
1024
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,839
"Jesus Christ, poor Sam.
What the hell? What the hell?"
1025
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,840
And he was obsessed
by her sort of reaction.
1026
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,000
Well, what I felt was...
1027
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,200
..."Right, um...
1028
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,559
..."we're going to
have to do something.
1029
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,320
"It's going to have to involve me.
1030
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,079
"I better... We better go down
and give a press conference
1031
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,160
"and try and... Try and settle
things, try and steady the ship".
1032
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,959
CROWD SHOUTS
1033
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,639
It was that moment
when we walked out the door
1034
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,199
that I knew that probably
the course of the country,
1035
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,559
certainly Boris' part in it,
had changed forever.
1036
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,600
SHOUTING
1037
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,919
You know, suddenly, you know,
having been used to, um...
1038
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,519
...you know, people being...
People heckle,
1039
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,359
people shout jocular insults,
"You Tory tosser," and so on,
1040
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,639
but they were really angry.
They were really upset.
1041
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,479
SHOUTING
1042
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,159
Shame on you, Boris!
1043
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,559
We managed to get in the car
1044
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,079
with the help of
quite a few police officers,
1045
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,639
and the car left the front
and sped off down the road.
1046
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:18,439
And at the end of their road there
is a traffic light and it was green.
1047
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,919
And just before he reached it,
1048
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,359
it went orange and he braked
and it went red and he stopped.
1049
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,719
BOOING
1050
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,599
And instantly we were
surrounded by protesters
1051
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,320
and really, really angry people.
1052
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,759
It was then that I, you know,
I really felt the... the strength
1053
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,319
of people's feeling about this.
1054
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,279
I underestimated
1055
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,119
how deeply it spoke to people.
1056
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,719
For the first time I'd ever seen him
looking, like, properly fearful,
1057
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,479
not necessarily
just for his own safety,
1058
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,040
but for a sense of kind of
what has this unleashed?
1059
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,599
Taking control, Boris?
1060
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,679
{\an8}Obviously, we were delighted
that we'd won, but conscious
1061
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,559
{\an8}that we were embarking on
what would be a difficult path.
1062
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,079
I don't think any of us realised
quite how difficult it would be.
1063
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,919
Suddenly the people are looking
at you thinking, you know,
1064
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,559
"You're in charge of defence,
1065
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,440
"you're in charge of tax,
you're in charge of everything."
1066
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,919
For those who may be anxious,
whether at home or abroad,
1067
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,879
this does not mean
1068
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,359
that the United Kingdom
will be in any way less united.
1069
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:36,640
Nor, indeed, does it mean
that it will be any less European.
1070
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:43,559
We didn't ha... You know, we didn't
have a plan for what to do next,
1071
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,080
because we didn't think
it was our job to... to have a plan.
1072
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,040
♪ Out of control
1073
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,560
♪ Out of control
1074
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,040
♪ Out of control... ♪
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