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Woman: BNT.

Your network.

(Reel rattles)

(Low hum of laughter, glasses clink)

- I get it, man.

I fuckin' get it.

Why they were so reluctant to talk to us in the first place.

Like... why would they trust us?

W-why would they think that we're any different

from any of the guys who came before,

and screwed them over?

Fuckin' male gaze.

That's what it is. We're actually guilty of that.

We are.

We need to rethink this whole thing.

'Cause this-this right here,

this is the hook.

This-this is the doc.

Camera Operator: Totally.

How, though?

- Fuck.

We gotta rethink this whole thing.

Female Reporter: I'm here on the New Eden property,

where just behind me,

the body of former cult member, Tabitha McNurtt,

was discovered,

with Katherine Wryfield, and Grace Lee behind bars,

and charges of evidence tampering laid

against Staff Sergeant Hank Neston.

The question remains,

what became of Miss McNurtt,

and who was her killer?

We-holy God!

- Hi, what's this?

- Sorry. Are-are you Miss McNurtt?

- I might be, what's it to you?

- I- uh, Miss McNurtt,

where have you been all this time?

- Just kinda in there.

- M-Miss McNurtt?

Miss Mc--

Uh, back to you, Jim.

- A bizarre end to anticlimactic case.

- Lee and Wryfield's alleged second victim

proves to be alive and well, more or less.

- Tabitha McNurrt claims to have wandered off

the New Eden property...

- She says she simply went on a nature walk,

and returned to find a huge barricade

had been erected around the property.

Reporter: Quote, "I wasn't in any danger.

I was just sick of hearing those stupid fucking women

talk about space aliens."

And I don't think I can say that tonight on the broadcast.

- Uh, Sergeant Neston, Sergeant Neston?

You accused Miss Lee and Miss Wryfield--

- Yeah, I got no comment.

- While Lee and Wryfield were already exonerated at trial

for McNurtt's alleged murder,

Investigating officer Hank Neston now faces

a dishonourable discharge

on charges of evidence tampering,

perjury, and in an ironic twist,

indignity to human remains.

- Did you deliberately mislead the public?

- I said I got no fucking comment!

- What the hell, where's all the man reporters?

It's like a slap in the face having to talk to you!

- Oh.

Did you get that?

- Miss Mill says the outcome of the Neston inquiry

will have no effect on Lee and Wryfield's verdict,

both of whom remain behind bars.

- Grace, Katherine, is this the end of New Eden?

- How do you feel about the amount of prison time

you've been given?

- Roughly 106 million Americans tuned in to watch

the final episode of "M.A.S.H." on CBS.

Significantly less people tuned in to watch

the verdict coverage of Katherine and Grace's case

on the same day.

The way their case ended

kind of ensured that people lost interest,

they didn't get off, which would've been exciting.

They didn't go down for murder,

which would've been even more exciting.

Um, they got eight to ten in a provincial prison,

for a couple of felonies,

which was...

well, less exciting than Haw.

- By the time the media ban had lifted,

there was no more story left for us to tell.

No one cared anymore.

Even here, yeah,

it's almost like the whole country felt ashamed.

I mean, Hannah barely even spoke to me after the trial.

You know, last I heard, she moved to Portland,

I don't know, or something.

This was supposed to make her career - I mean, our career.

But instead it ruined us both.

♪♪♪

- (Reads) "My great thought in living is himself.

If all else pa..."

Still listening?

Okay, okay.

"If all else perishes..."

Lacey: Katherine and Grace just kind of disappeared,

people forgot about them.

(Buzzer sounds)

Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.

- "The universe would turn to a mighty stranger."

Lacey: And once Tabatha McNurtt reappeared,

well...

that was the final punchline.

New Eden had come and gone.

Another cultural phenomenon, forgotten.

Ah... Heathcliff!

Ruff! Ruff!

Lacey: And two more women's names, lost to history.

- Ah! I'm a girl one.

I love you.

- But I guess not everyone forgot.

I mean, you two are what, 23,

just out of film school?

Too young to remember much of the trial.

So...

what brought you to their story?

- It's time to come clean.

Camera Operator: Time to come clean?

- Yeah.

(Sighs) I feel much better talking about this.

Thank you.

(Door buzzes, lock clicks)

- Thank you, Gary.

Hey, fellas!

- Where do I sit?

Just kidding. I remember.

Grace: No, I know. I know.

I know, I don't do that. I'm not gonna do that.

That's crazy. - Thank you, Trina.

- Shit, I'm gonna miss this, you guys.

When's this thing come out, anyway?

Interviewer: Can you speak to how you felt

in the wake of what you were put through at the trial?

- Relieved. - Forgotten.

- (Laughs)

We were under a lot of media scrutiny.

Scrutiny? - Scrutiny, yep.

- We were under a lot of media scrutiny.

Uh, and then just like that, we weren't.

We were scrutin-free.

- I-I think what Grace means by that

is that after the trial,

our lives changed drastically.

I mean, obviously.

But our lives also became a lot more quiet, in a way.

- Yeah, you know, it was like .

People had to move on, I guess,

and so did we.

- Yeah.

I mean, it's-it's not like I expected the fanfare

to continue, or even wanted it to.

God, no! No.

But suddenly, it did seem like nobody cared.

- Hey, I care.

- Okay, well, I guess it seemed like nobody else cared.

- Huh!

- Not that I care if people care.

Who cares? I don't.

You know. No, I like to think of myself as quite blase.

And you know, I've got bigger things to think about.

- Oh, yeah.

Katherine's always been the big thinker of this little outfit.

- Oh.

- Yeah well, and as for me, well...

- Oh! Uh, well...

Grace has really flourished here

in prison. - Yeah.

Oh, you guys are already on dessert.

Where the hell have you been? I thought they let you out.

But you are still in jail.

I'll see you guys later. Hey! Leslie!

What the hell, I thought you died!

Grace: I've recently won most enthusiastic inmate

at the Lady Jailbird Awards,

which are an awards show that I started a few years back.

Hey-hey-hey, Ann!

Woo-oooh! Whoosh!

(Laughs) Yeah, okay.

Yep. Okay, let's have a seat.

Grace: Warden said we can't give out trophies

anymore though, 'cause uh, on account we just stab

each other with 'em.

Uh, which is fair, 'cause uh...

'cause that did happen one year.

Okay.

Oh, I've been learning all kinds of new skills

here in prison.

You know what they say,

idle hands are the devil's party sticks.

Oooh! (Coughs)

Hah! She looks good.

Ooh, I've also been learning a couple of languages.

French, uh German,

and Mandarin.

Ni hao.

- Remember, posture,

diction.

- Okay.

Hello, I am here for the employment opportunity.

Was that good?

- Yeah. (Applause) - Right? Yeah!

Yeah! Alright!

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Fuck yeah! Yeah! Unhhhh!

Interviewer: So what have you been doing your time?

Katherine: I keep myself busy.

I uh, work in the library.

(Book thuds)

(Grace laughs)

- It had three rings!

Katherine: I exercise.

Grace: She didn't even know!

Katherine: And on Thursdays, we do community outreach.

But you could say that I'm always a little

preoccupied these days.

Ever since I bagged myself a beau.

(Laughs)

Yeah, we uh, we write letters .

And it's uh...

it's very consuming.

When we first arrived,

we received all kinds of mail,

some good, um, a lot... bad.

I took it upon myself to try to respond to everything.

But as time marched on,

uh, people stopped sending us things.

I guess they had better things to do with their time.

- And, you know, that was really hard on Katharine.

She really loved getting that mail.

It let her imagine a world outside this place.

Uh, she-we were really lost without it.

Katherine: That's when my Harvey started writing me.

And our romance quickly blossomed.

Would you like to see some of his letters?

- No, I don't think we should do that.

- (Laughs) So these are just a few

of our sweet B A dos.

(Laughs)

Uh, it's been a few years.

Our correspondence.

He um, he said that he saw me on the television,

and that he just couldn't get me out of his head.

God, his letters, sometimes it's...

it's just like he's known me for years.

Interviewer: Has he sent you a picture?

- Mhmm, yes.

That's my Harvey.

Interviewer: Uh, isn't that Harvey M--

(Grace coughs loudly)

- (Clears throat)

- Ah...

(Katherine giggles)

(Sighs)

Interviewer: And he's never come to visit?

- Huh? Oh, no, no. He's-he's very busy.

You see, ah, he owns a hospital.

And between that and getting his pilot's licence,

well, it's difficult for him to get away.

Grace: Mhmm, yeah.

Yeah, 'cause um uh, owning a hospital, psssh!

That's gotta be... a lot of work.

Right? Katherine: Yeah...

God! I mean, he has been through so much.

His uh, his entire family died in a yacht fire.

But we will rebuild our lives together.

- Yeah. So how--

- You know, really, really be there for one another.

- How are the other girls doing?

Are they good? Do you talk to them at all? Or...

- Uh, yes. Sorry. Yes.

How is the old gang?

Amy: It hasn't always been so easy.

But my faith always kept me going.

After the trial, we had to put our lives back together.

I love her.

And for me, that meant devoting myself to my role

as Seed Mother,

and protecting my darling Adam.

He's my little angel, and--

- Can I eat these?

- Honey, honey! That's a handful of pennies.

- (Bleep)!

- Even... (Chuckles)

♪♪♪

Adam, honey?

(Plate shatters)

Interviewer: And how are you managing as a single mother?

- By Gaion's light,

there will always be a way.

Gaaiioooonnn...

And I've been doing part-time bookkeeping

for a small textile company.

When Adam undergoes his cosmic transformation,

I know I'll have to stop working,

so that I may focus all of my spiritual energies

on the impending war against the ancient Adams.

(Ripping sounds)

But that's still a while away.

(Clattering, glass shatters)

Okay. What are you doing?!

Sharon: What has New Eden taught me?

Uh, the same thing life has taught me.

It's that you have to learn from your experiences,

and then transform them into something positive.

Let's explore an idea, shall we?

I try to avoid bringing up my time at New Eden.

I wouldn't want to take away any focus from the...

real victims.

When uh...

I was in a cult...

Yes, what I went through was harrowing.

I had been separated from myself.

While I was a high functioning member of the group,

I was no longer a high functioning member of Sharon.

But I am a survivor,

and I've moved on.

I've worked very hard to...

transform my experiences at New Eden,

and shape them into a career.

I was in one!

If people wanna call that brave...

well, I guess I can't stop them, can I?

(Chuckles)

Max: After the trial, yeah, I was angry.

I was really fuckin' angry.

I needed to do a lot of healing.

And a lot of forgetting.

But at some point, I just...

I couldn't keep that hate in my heart anymore.

And I still believed in a space r

in a supportive and productive way.

I just realized I shouldn't trust anybody else

to get that right.

So I moved out east,

and I started dreaming up this place.

So this is "Sister Kisser."

Interviewer: Is the name an homage to Katherine?

- I like to think of it as more of a...

reclamation.

♪♪♪

Don't say anything stupid.

Camera Operator: Uh, sure.

- Look at you, you look so good!

Max: These women have been through a lot.

And this is their time to be around

the only other people who have been through

what they've been through.

That's why I started these little gatherings.

It's nice to see everyone. We laugh a lot.

Reminisce.

And it's cool to see what all these women

have done with their lives.

No, you didn't!

Donna: Its like a mix of martial arts.

I call it kick-wrestling. It',

and deal with some of that lingering anger.

Trinity: I don't really know why I'm here.

Well, I guess I felt nostalgic.

I guess, I just...

New Eden Women: ♪ No shame! ♪

- (Laughs)

Can I have another double Chardonnay, please?

Sharon: What was your name, again?

- Oh, Anna.

- Hannah?

- Anna. Why does everyone keep calling me Hannah?

- I'll be right back, okay? Muah.

- Huh.

Max: I know. Just leave it!

- I'm just saying, it's interesting.

- Just, I see it, and I'm working on it.

- Okay, fair enough.

What does she do? - She's a photographer.

- What kind of photography?

- Photojournalism.

- (Laughter, women chatter)

(Music plays)

Sharon: Having everyone here like this,

it's a fascinating opportunity to examine

the individualization that occurs

after the forced sense of group

has been disbanded,

due to the subversion and ultimate removal

of the leader-leader type.

We're allowed to truly flourish as to who we truly are.

You know what I mean? Hello?

Interviewer: Actually, are you aware

that some of your former members still get together?

- Uh, what are you talking about?

What do you mean?

Interviewer: Well, earlier this summer,

they had a gathering at Max's bar.

They've done it a couple times since the trial.

- So what? They just, they-they get together,

and they-and they what? They talk?

What do they talk about? What do...

what do they... what do they get up to?

- I'm Katherine, and we're gonna take our power back.

I'm Katherine bathroom.

Pay attention to me instead!

(Grunting)

- Well, isn't that just another reason to be excited

to-to be getting out soon?

Won't they be happy when, when we show up

to one of their gatherings.

- Yeah...

- Everybody loves the Seed Sowers.

- Seed Sisters. - The Seed Sisters.

Right, yes.

- I think most of us would be happy to see Grace again,

to be honest. I know some bad things happened,

but there's still a lot of love for her here.

Interviewer: And what about Katherine?

- (Coughs) God, no.

- You know what?

I bet that they already did invite me to the next one.

Probably my invitation got lost in the mail.

- That's it. That's it.

And I-you know what? I bet I can-

I bet I can find an invitation in the mail.

- Yes. Thank you.

- Yeah, you see, mail is another thing

that I excel at here in prison.

- What? How is that a skill?

- It isn't.

Stupid, silly Grace.

- Aww. Hey?

No.

Be proud of yourself. - Thank you.

- The story of New Eden,

it doesn't end with Grace and Katherine.

It doesn't end with their trial.

That's why we do this.

After everything we've endured,

we still have each other to turn to,

to bear witness to one another.

Now, more than ever.

We're all different people now.

- Oh God, yes.

I mean, look at us.

We have very little in common.

- But what we do have in common is New Eden.

The bond we created there was real.

Our sisterhood...

is real,

and that's something that can never be taken from us.

(Women cheer raucously)

Women: Donna! Donna! Donna!

(Cheering)

- Never, ever.

Max: Donna! Donna!

Sharon: Okay, I've gotta go, I gotta-I'm comin!

I'm comin'!

(Women cheer)

♪ I am woman, hear me roar ♪

♪ In numbers too big to ignore ♪

- When it's all said and done, yeah.

It's made me the Donna Henderson I am today.

(Blows out forcefully)

♪ And I've been down there on the floor ♪

♪ No one's ever gonna keep me down again ♪

- Yeah, it was totally fucked up,

but it was ours to fuck up,

and... that's power.

And... I guess in a way,

we kind of took our power back.

♪ I can do anything ♪

♪ I am strong ♪ (Strong)

- Initially, New Eden was an escape from my life,

and then eventually,

escaping with New Eden had become

really allowed me to return to my life.

♪ You can bend but never break ♪

♪ Cause it only serves to make me ♪

♪ More determined to achieve my final goal ♪

(All laugh)

- So you get what you need, or what?

♪ 'Cause you deepen the conviction ♪

♪ In my soul ♪

- Only Gaion knows what's to come for all of us, but...

it'll be nice for someone to know where we've been.

♪ If I pay the price ♪

♪ But look how much I've gained ♪

♪ If I have to ♪

♪ I can do anything ♪

♪ I am strong ♪ (Strong)

♪ I am invincible ♪ (Invincible)

♪ I am woman ♪

- Sweet, sweet Amy. - Ohhh!

- Beautiful, beautiful Sharon.

- I know.

♪ See me standing toe-to-toe ♪

♪ I as spread my love and arms across the land ♪

- You know, after all that's happened,

I'm glad those girls still get together,

remember their sisterhood,

reminisce...

even after all they've been through.

It means New Eden meant something to 'em.

You know, it means it won't just be forgotten.

- I want to thank you all for being here,

for making the journey. Women: Thank you!

- For better or for worse,

we are are the women of New Eden.

(All cheering)

Here's to all we've been through,

and all we will be.

And um...

yeah, fuck it. Praise Gaion!

All: Praise Gaion!

- I guess that counts for something.

I mean, look how quickly the world forgot about us.

Forgot what our story represented

to women everywhere.

At least our devoted followers

are still commemorating what we built.

- I mean, yeah. Before you two showed up,

it's not like anybody else was doing it, right?

Interviewer: Yeah.

Uh... yeah. - What?

- Yeah, what?

- Wait, before we wrap up,

there's just a couple others that I wanna mention.

The proverbial cocks in our henhouse.

Uh, I was not totally sold on these guys at first.

Believe it or not.

But these days, I'm trying to be more trusting

to see the good in people.

So... to Travis and Jake,

I'd like to thank you.

Thank you for wanting to tell our story.

And we trust you to honour the truths that come with it.

Cheers.

(Women cheer and applaud)

- (Sighs) If I've known... what am I doing?

What am I doing? I don't know.

I don't know, man, I just like...

it hit me.

I-I-I was there, and I saw all their faces,

and it was like all their stories

just flooded at me at once,

and they all hit me,

and I fuck-fuck off with that.

Camera Operator: No, it's good, it's good, just keep going.

- This isn't just a story about women, right?

It's not.

It is, but it's also...

like, they're not just those women, right?

They're flawed, yeah, and we're gonna show that.

But... they're strong.

They're so strong, and they're resilient,

and-and they're funny.

And what happened to them was just humiliating.

Humiliating, and-and demeaning,

and belittling, and... wrong.

And that's-that's what the doc's gotta be about.

It's gotta be about us, you know,

as men, realizing that.

For them.

Huh.

Grace and Katherine.

We gotta tell Grace and Katherine...

about why we started this whole thing to begin with.

♪♪♪

Grace: Huh! What is all this, guys?

Why all the mystery?

- Yeah, just uh, just tell us what this is.

Interviewer: What can you tell us about "Forbidden Fruit?"

- Is that actually what all this has been about?

- We have to show you something.

Something that we should've shown you the first time

we interviewed you.

(Sighs)

Lacey: If you've read my book,

you'll know it's not something that I focussed on.

At all.

It's a footnote...

in the overall context of their history.

Yeah.

But clearly, it's significant to you.

(Audience cheers and applauds)

Lacey: Two cine freaks like you?

Of course that's how you found out about Katherine and Grace.

- Are you ready to taste...

the "Forbidden Fruit?"

Hey, whoa! Easy! Get outta here!

Alright!

(Audience cheers and applauds)

- Katherine? Grace?

Katherine?

(Katherine and Grace giggle)

- (Screams)

- Join us, Aunt Agnes!

Movie Grace: Thought you could spy on us?

- You're a bad little journalist, aren't you?

(Cackling laughter)

Movie Hannah: Oh, the honey tastes so funny!

Film Narrator: It was a fri.

(Women giggle)

- Groovy dress.

- Thanks, Grace.

Wanna try it on?

- Yes!

(Women in movie giggle, moan)

- Let's be friends. - Best friends.

Film Narrator: But everything changed when their innocence

was taken from them.

- I'll teach you to like men. - Ohh! No!

- (Laughs manically) - (Screams)

(Glass shatters)

Film Narrator The crime that would make them

innocencents no more.

Not once they've tasted...

"Forbidden Fruit."

- So, in 1988,

Elizabeth Mill sold Katherine and Grace's life rights

without their knowledge

to a low-budget production company,

who made a straight-to-video movie,

loosely based on their story.

- You've got to get out of here!

They're not what they seem!

- (Giggling maniacally)

Oops!

Film Narrator: From writer/ producer Mario Santalini,

comes a true story of carnal desire,

and supernatural sin.

Get ready for the most chilling

cinematic event of the decade.

- (Screams)

- We're joining! We're joining!

We're joining!

We're joining!

(Movie characters moan, squeal)

Movie Katherine: Take a chill pill, Auntie Agnes!

(Gunshot booms)

Film Narrator: Once you've had a taste,

there's no escape.

♪♪♪

"Forbidden Fruit."

- So...

what the fuck is this?

- We wanted you to know how much we wrestled

with the idea of showing this to you.

- Why?

Did you guys make this skin flick?

Are you writer/producer Mario Santalini?

- No. No, no.

No, but we knew how hard it would be for you

to see what your story had been reduced to.

- Reduced to?

I mean, is this what you think that our story is about?

I mean, after everything that we've shared with you?

- Of course not.

What you shared with us has been inspiring,

and humbling.

It's why we felt we owed it to you to come clean.

We needed you to know that this was the reason why

we came to interview you in the first place.

But what we've realized is that...

the male perspective on your story

has always been what's robbed it of its truth.

I mean, case in point.

But we want to overcome that.

We want to show your truth the way that you see it.

And we want to show what your truth has taught us,

as men.

- So...

you guys gotta forgive me, 'cause I'm a little slow.

You came and interviewed us for months and months

about our pain, our friendship,

all our dirty fuckin' laundry,

and at the end of that-huh!

You thought you'd reward us by showing us a porno about us

that you used to jerk off to in college.

Is that about it?

Am I following the bouncing ball here, fellas?!

Interviewer: No, that's- I mean, well... (Chuckles)

the-the point is that...

you've shown us our mistakes.

You've taught us. Does that makes sense?

- Um, um, um...

are we supposed to be grateful?!

Honoured that you realized that we are more than just a joke?

Because maybe we do not want t.

- (Scoffs) Frankly, Katherine, I mean...

we were the only ones who came knocking for your story,

and you did sign your releases a couple months ago,

so... you might want to reconsider

how we want to tell your story.

(Laughs) Maybe.

That's not what I meant. I um...

what-what I mean to say is that...

our idea--

- No. Okay, you know what?!

You have done nothing for us.

Nothing!

This interview is... is over.

- Please, if you'd just give me a second?

(Door buzzes)

(Sighs)

Uh... ahem.

I'm so sorry.

Things got heated. I-I get that.

I get that they got heated. It's just...

we know how powerful your truth can be.

We're-we're living proof of that.

And, you know, Katherine can be sensitive.

She- she can be, but she'll come around, and--

- We're done.

- But you can talk to her, right?

I mean, you can-you can, you can go talk to her,

maybe talk her back into coming and meeting with us?

O-kay!

- Don't fucking touch me.

You don't come near me. - Ah!

- You don't come near Katherine!

You don't fuckin' come near us, do you understand me?!

- Okay, Jesus!

- Nod like you fuckin' understand me!

- Okay, Jesus! Guard! Guard!

- No touching. - Aah!

(Whimpers) - Grace.

- What the fuck? what the fuck?

(Loud crash)

- You two need to leave. - Okay!

(Door creaks)

- Aaaah!

Camera Operator: Fuck, you okay?

- No!

That was scary! That was so scary.

- Why didn't you help me? - I was scared, too!

Interviewer: Right there! There! There they are.

(Fence creaks)

(Car rumbles)

(Brakes squeak, car shuts off)

(Door slams)

- Yeah...probably, I'll call you, I'll call you.

I'll call you when you get there.

(Door slams)

Drive safe, okay?

(Door slams, car starts)

- Bye bye.

Bye.

Bye bye, Katherine.

Bye.

(Birds chirp)

♪♪♪

♪ Love has gone forever ♪

♪ My has been forever ♪

♪ We make own jokes ♪

♪ That make us laugh ♪

♪ When she has candy she gives me half ♪

♪ Sometimes when I start to cry ♪

♪ She's the only one... ♪

Narrator: And now, stay tuned for...

"Helen Lafayette, a killer among us."

Grace: You've always thought you were so clever.

But you don't know shit!

- Well, if Hannah Cafwell hadn't gone digging,

Helen Lafayette would've gotten away with murder.

Hannah: I had no idea how close to death I really was.

♪♪♪

Narrator: Coming up next on BNT.

♪ She's my best friend ♪

♪ Forever ♪