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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,053 --> 00:00:02,652 This whole series of events 2 00:00:02,653 --> 00:00:05,892 began with a deliberate decision by a senior officer 3 00:00:05,893 --> 00:00:08,135 to breach the PACE code. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,479 Do you want another one? 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,039 Another one? 6 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:15,924 What resulted was not admissible evidence in a criminal trial. 7 00:00:15,924 --> 00:00:19,066 We should still be OK with the case against him for Sian. 8 00:00:19,067 --> 00:00:20,479 We have the DNA evidence. 9 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,679 Her blood in his car, his DNA on her body. 10 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:23,963 What about Becky? 11 00:00:23,964 --> 00:00:26,479 The confession evidence is all we had. 12 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,319 And, er, I'm afraid, without that, 13 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,519 we'll have to take her name off the indictment. 14 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,957 Well, this is Fulcher's fault! 15 00:00:32,958 --> 00:00:34,777 Usual deal. None of what we talk about 16 00:00:34,778 --> 00:00:36,519 can be used by ITV until after the verdict. 17 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,479 Yeah, agreed. 18 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:40,479 Well, he's a serial killer, Rob. 19 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:41,929 I am convinced of it. 20 00:00:41,929 --> 00:00:46,267 His big hero was that Myra Hindley off the Moors Murders. 21 00:00:46,268 --> 00:00:49,319 I want to make a complaint about one of your police officers. 22 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,479 Well, it's a complaint, Steve. 23 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:52,479 We'll have to decide whether it constitutes 24 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:54,286 just misconduct or gross misconduct. 25 00:00:54,287 --> 00:00:56,839 - Really? - He said they were gunning for him. 26 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,479 He felt abandoned by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift. 27 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,479 But where is Becky in the pecking order? 28 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,220 Right down at the bottom, where she's always been. 29 00:01:03,220 --> 00:01:05,859 So you go back and you tell your bosses, no, I am not satisfied. 30 00:01:05,860 --> 00:01:07,219 Not at all. 31 00:01:07,220 --> 00:01:08,220 I had a word with Mike. 32 00:01:08,221 --> 00:01:11,219 Unfortunately, he's already referred it to the IPCC. 33 00:01:11,220 --> 00:01:13,219 They're going to charge you. 34 00:01:13,220 --> 00:01:15,220 Gross misconduct. 35 00:01:24,218 --> 00:01:31,167 _ 36 00:01:32,220 --> 00:01:35,220 - Happy anniversary! - Oh... 37 00:01:36,220 --> 00:01:38,219 - Thank you very much. - Happy anniversary, Mum. 38 00:01:38,220 --> 00:01:39,420 Happy anniversary, Dad. 39 00:01:39,973 --> 00:01:41,973 Oh, that's lovely! 40 00:01:43,220 --> 00:01:45,219 Oh, thank you. That's beautiful. 41 00:01:45,220 --> 00:01:48,059 - They helped me choose it. Didn't you? - Just a little bit. 42 00:01:48,060 --> 00:01:50,220 - Thank you. - Thank you. 43 00:01:52,389 --> 00:01:53,549 Ah-ha! 44 00:01:53,574 --> 00:01:55,574 I've always wanted... 45 00:01:56,220 --> 00:01:59,219 It's got a little red light that flashes if you're too stressed 46 00:01:59,220 --> 00:02:02,219 - and you press it too hard. - Do you think I'm stressed? 47 00:02:02,220 --> 00:02:05,219 - Mm, maybe... - And I thought I was hiding it. 48 00:02:05,220 --> 00:02:06,259 [LAUGHTER] 49 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:09,219 - Maybe a little bit. - Keep out of it, you. 50 00:02:09,220 --> 00:02:12,487 - The card's from all three of us. - Thank you very much. 51 00:02:19,527 --> 00:02:21,219 - We're behind you. - Thank you. 52 00:02:21,220 --> 00:02:23,967 - Happy anniversary. - Mm-hm. 53 00:02:25,220 --> 00:02:26,567 That helps me a lot, I'll tell you. 54 00:02:27,846 --> 00:02:29,846 We have statements from prostitutes 55 00:02:29,871 --> 00:02:33,439 putting Halliwell with Becky in the lead-up to the murder. 56 00:02:33,464 --> 00:02:35,410 We have the guy he shared a cell with 57 00:02:35,435 --> 00:02:38,428 saying that he liked to strangle women during sex. 58 00:02:38,429 --> 00:02:39,522 It's all there. 59 00:02:39,523 --> 00:02:42,059 Eight murders, he told his mate on the phone. 60 00:02:42,060 --> 00:02:43,899 Now, we know about two. 61 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:45,691 Who's out there looking for the other six? 62 00:02:45,692 --> 00:02:48,927 It's not me. I'm sat on my arse on restricted duties. 63 00:02:50,220 --> 00:02:53,219 Have they, er, set a date for your disciplinary hearing? 64 00:02:53,220 --> 00:02:55,060 Before the end of the year. 65 00:02:56,647 --> 00:02:58,220 Meanwhile, I'm in total... 66 00:02:59,220 --> 00:03:00,847 ...limbo. 67 00:03:01,220 --> 00:03:03,220 No case, no team. 68 00:03:04,220 --> 00:03:06,059 The knives are out for me, too. 69 00:03:06,060 --> 00:03:08,219 - What? - Mike Veale suddenly announced to me 70 00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:10,219 that he didn't need me as a staff officer any more. 71 00:03:10,220 --> 00:03:11,976 He thought I'd resign. 72 00:03:11,977 --> 00:03:13,219 I refused to. 73 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:17,219 Then I find this week that he's appointed a new staff officer. 74 00:03:17,220 --> 00:03:18,739 It's a joke. 75 00:03:18,740 --> 00:03:21,527 I mean, this is my problem. They can't go after you, too. 76 00:03:23,607 --> 00:03:26,219 I'm going to have this out with them. 77 00:03:26,220 --> 00:03:28,167 Steve, don't. Steve... 78 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:31,239 - Pat, can I have a quick word? - Steve... 79 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,899 Listen, I know there's a lot of flak flying around, 80 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:34,219 but it's not fair to... 81 00:03:34,220 --> 00:03:36,219 What's wrong with your phone? I've been trying to call you. 82 00:03:36,220 --> 00:03:38,531 - I had it on charge. - Mike Veale wants to see you. 83 00:03:38,532 --> 00:03:39,777 OK. 84 00:03:39,778 --> 00:03:41,487 I'll tell him you're on your way. 85 00:03:43,427 --> 00:03:45,427 - 25 years Halliwell got. - That's Karen. 86 00:03:46,283 --> 00:03:49,427 He'll get out, so he'll have plenty of his life in front of him. 87 00:03:50,427 --> 00:03:52,426 I feel for her, of course I do. But... 88 00:03:52,427 --> 00:03:54,426 Fulcher broke the law. 89 00:03:54,427 --> 00:03:55,427 You know that. 90 00:03:55,428 --> 00:03:58,426 I don't really know what I think any more, to be honest. 91 00:03:58,427 --> 00:04:02,106 I know I'd rather not get into this right here and now with Karen. 92 00:04:02,107 --> 00:04:03,928 - I'll sign. - Oh, thank you. 93 00:04:03,953 --> 00:04:05,633 Thank you very much. 94 00:04:07,787 --> 00:04:10,426 You're actually the first. That's... It's all my family there. 95 00:04:10,427 --> 00:04:12,427 That's... That's me at the top. 96 00:04:14,260 --> 00:04:15,447 Thank you. 97 00:04:23,427 --> 00:04:24,767 25 years... 98 00:04:25,647 --> 00:04:28,007 ...Halliwell got. And he'll get out. 99 00:04:32,427 --> 00:04:34,426 - [HE KNOCKS] - Mike wanted to see me? 100 00:04:34,427 --> 00:04:36,627 Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute. 101 00:04:40,427 --> 00:04:42,427 [KNOCK ON DOOR] 102 00:04:43,427 --> 00:04:45,047 [HE CLEARS HIS THROAT] 103 00:04:45,427 --> 00:04:47,427 Mike will see you now. 104 00:04:48,113 --> 00:04:49,113 Thank you. 105 00:04:50,107 --> 00:04:51,946 Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down. 106 00:04:51,947 --> 00:04:53,266 [DOOR CLOSES] 107 00:04:53,267 --> 00:04:55,427 - Mike. Kier. - Steve. 108 00:04:56,427 --> 00:04:58,626 I asked DCS Pritchard to be here this morning 109 00:04:58,627 --> 00:05:00,627 to make a note of everything. 110 00:05:02,807 --> 00:05:05,426 Now, I have to tell you, Steve, that I am suspending you from duty 111 00:05:05,427 --> 00:05:07,267 with immediate effect. 112 00:05:07,887 --> 00:05:09,426 It's been brought to my attention 113 00:05:09,427 --> 00:05:11,946 that you had an unauthorised meeting with a member of the press, 114 00:05:11,947 --> 00:05:14,106 the ITV journalist Rob Murphy, 115 00:05:14,107 --> 00:05:16,426 during which you discussed Operation Mayan. 116 00:05:16,427 --> 00:05:19,427 This is a meeting that you were expressly forbidden to attend. 117 00:05:21,003 --> 00:05:24,426 An officer from a neighbouring force happened to be in the pub that night 118 00:05:24,427 --> 00:05:27,426 and witnessed the meeting and reported it to Kier. 119 00:05:27,427 --> 00:05:29,426 Well, as you know, Steve, I expressly told you 120 00:05:29,427 --> 00:05:31,647 you're not to do any interviews with journalists. 121 00:05:33,927 --> 00:05:36,847 I don't recall any conversation along those lines, Kier. 122 00:05:37,647 --> 00:05:39,426 I mentioned it at one of the routines recently. 123 00:05:39,427 --> 00:05:40,427 Mm-hm. 124 00:05:41,807 --> 00:05:43,426 Now, I consider this matter to be serious enough 125 00:05:43,427 --> 00:05:45,427 to warrant immediate suspension. 126 00:05:46,427 --> 00:05:48,767 - Do you have anything to say? - No, I don't. 127 00:05:51,427 --> 00:05:54,427 Very well, could you please give me your pass and warrant card? 128 00:06:03,427 --> 00:06:06,426 You will now be escorted from the premises by Tom, 129 00:06:06,427 --> 00:06:07,811 who's waiting for you outside. 130 00:06:07,812 --> 00:06:09,157 He'll accompany you to your house 131 00:06:09,158 --> 00:06:11,266 to recover any force documents or property. 132 00:06:11,267 --> 00:06:13,426 Do you understand what I've said to you? 133 00:06:13,427 --> 00:06:14,427 I do. 134 00:06:15,427 --> 00:06:17,786 I'll ask you again if you have anything to say. 135 00:06:17,787 --> 00:06:19,427 I don't. 136 00:06:21,173 --> 00:06:23,173 Fine. That's everything. 137 00:06:40,467 --> 00:06:42,426 Er, I'll take the phone. 138 00:06:42,427 --> 00:06:45,427 - Can I at least call my wife? - I'm afraid not. 139 00:06:51,427 --> 00:06:53,427 Oh, could I have that, please, sir? 140 00:07:21,819 --> 00:07:22,819 Are you coming in? 141 00:07:37,427 --> 00:07:39,107 Oh, it's Steve. 142 00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:42,426 Maughan and Ned are here. 143 00:07:42,427 --> 00:07:45,106 - Er, where's the laptop, please? - What's going on? 144 00:07:45,107 --> 00:07:47,426 It's in the kitchen on the dining table. 145 00:07:47,427 --> 00:07:49,550 Would you accompany me in there, please? 146 00:07:49,575 --> 00:07:51,381 - Steve...? - I've been suspended. 147 00:07:51,382 --> 00:07:54,107 What?! My mum and dad are in there. Can I get it for you? 148 00:07:55,107 --> 00:07:56,427 I'm sorry. 149 00:07:59,427 --> 00:08:01,266 Hi, folks. Hello. 150 00:08:01,267 --> 00:08:02,427 - Hi, Steve. - Hello. 151 00:08:07,427 --> 00:08:09,426 - Is this it? - Yes. 152 00:08:09,427 --> 00:08:11,927 - Everything all right? - Yes, it's a work thing. 153 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,519 And she was going round all of the toilets in the school 154 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,991 and she slid under all the doors, locked them, 155 00:08:27,016 --> 00:08:29,815 and then slid back out again so that all the doors, 156 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,839 all the toilets in the whole school were locked. 157 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,800 - How stupid. - Mm, goodness. 158 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,119 I mean, it's kind of silly for her to get expelled, 159 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,229 because she's a good student, she's got good grades. 160 00:08:37,230 --> 00:08:39,357 It's not that big a deal, it's just a joke. 161 00:08:39,382 --> 00:08:40,542 Just cos she's your friend. 162 00:08:40,543 --> 00:08:43,302 Do you remember Amelia who was here last week? 163 00:08:43,303 --> 00:08:45,527 - Oh, yeah. - You know, the really bitchy one. 164 00:08:45,528 --> 00:08:47,461 - She's not really bitchy. - Yes, she is. 165 00:08:47,462 --> 00:08:49,943 She's not that bad. But she's started to... 166 00:08:56,776 --> 00:08:58,256 Don't worry. 167 00:09:05,698 --> 00:09:06,942 Er, would you like to come through? 168 00:09:06,943 --> 00:09:08,463 Thank you. 169 00:09:10,436 --> 00:09:12,436 Thank you for coming to see me, Mrs Edwards. 170 00:09:13,296 --> 00:09:16,295 The IPCC is an independent body 171 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,319 that's been set up to examine complaints against the police. 172 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,319 I've asked you to come and see me today to discuss a complaint 173 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,839 that has been made against the officer leading the investigation 174 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,760 into the murder of your daughter Rebecca. 175 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,883 Against Steve Fulcher? 176 00:09:31,883 --> 00:09:34,882 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, that's correct. 177 00:09:34,883 --> 00:09:37,882 I wanted to know if you wanted to add your name 178 00:09:37,883 --> 00:09:39,145 to the complaint against him. 179 00:09:40,883 --> 00:09:43,243 Who's made this complaint? 180 00:09:43,625 --> 00:09:45,882 Rebecca's father, John Godden. 181 00:09:45,883 --> 00:09:47,882 You're joking! John?! 182 00:09:47,883 --> 00:09:49,882 Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's... 183 00:09:49,883 --> 00:09:51,265 Have you met John Godden? 184 00:09:52,185 --> 00:09:53,882 All complaints about the police 185 00:09:53,883 --> 00:09:56,384 must be dealt with without prejudice. 186 00:09:56,409 --> 00:09:59,562 And it has been deemed that the points Mr Godden has raised 187 00:09:59,563 --> 00:10:01,882 are serious enough to warrant an investigation. 188 00:10:01,883 --> 00:10:04,882 Specifically, Detective Superintendent Fulcher's failure 189 00:10:04,883 --> 00:10:07,131 to apply the rules of PACE 190 00:10:07,132 --> 00:10:10,674 to his interview with the chief suspect Christopher Halliwell 191 00:10:10,675 --> 00:10:13,107 and prevented justice for his daughter. 192 00:10:13,108 --> 00:10:16,562 But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher we'd never have found our daughter. 193 00:10:16,563 --> 00:10:18,133 So, how does he work that one out? 194 00:10:18,134 --> 00:10:20,882 So, you don't agree with your ex-husband's view 195 00:10:20,883 --> 00:10:23,535 about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's conduct? 196 00:10:23,536 --> 00:10:25,342 No. We bloody don't. 197 00:10:25,343 --> 00:10:27,882 If Mrs Edwards could answer the question, please. 198 00:10:27,883 --> 00:10:29,479 No, I bloody well don't! 199 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,882 We've got to help him, Charlie. 200 00:10:30,883 --> 00:10:32,882 We can't leave him to be thrown to the wolves. 201 00:10:32,883 --> 00:10:33,883 You know, I'm sure it suits them 202 00:10:33,884 --> 00:10:35,569 to make out he's the one that messed up. 203 00:10:35,570 --> 00:10:37,509 You know, "It's not us, it's him." 204 00:10:37,510 --> 00:10:39,882 But you can't take on everyone, Karen. 205 00:10:39,883 --> 00:10:41,402 So, they're after Steve's blood. 206 00:10:41,403 --> 00:10:43,554 But the man who murdered Becky has got away with it. 207 00:10:43,555 --> 00:10:45,883 - How do you work that one out? - Come on, love, get in. 208 00:10:48,076 --> 00:10:51,076 No, justice for Steve is justice for Becky. 209 00:11:05,403 --> 00:11:07,351 It's only a bloody can of Coke. 210 00:11:07,352 --> 00:11:08,883 He just had to ask first. 211 00:11:09,425 --> 00:11:12,883 And I have told him that time and time again. 212 00:11:15,883 --> 00:11:18,379 He has no male role model in his life. 213 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:21,185 Mick only sees him every other weekend. 214 00:11:21,883 --> 00:11:25,882 To all intents and purposes, I'm his father now. 215 00:11:25,883 --> 00:11:27,882 Let me in, Elaine. 216 00:11:27,883 --> 00:11:29,174 I want to help. 217 00:11:29,175 --> 00:11:30,883 [DOORBELL RINGS] 218 00:11:36,883 --> 00:11:38,882 - [DOOR OPENS] - Lauren! 219 00:11:38,883 --> 00:11:41,882 - I was just passing. - Come in. It's so lovely to see you. 220 00:11:41,883 --> 00:11:42,883 Come in. 221 00:11:47,563 --> 00:11:50,883 - Are you going to come and say hello? - I'm all right in here. 222 00:11:52,823 --> 00:11:54,823 Elaine... This is my daughter. 223 00:11:55,105 --> 00:11:57,882 - We don't get on, Pete. - Yeah, I know. 224 00:11:57,883 --> 00:11:59,883 But can't you just be the bigger person? 225 00:12:05,883 --> 00:12:08,145 Come on, love, let's go through. 226 00:12:14,883 --> 00:12:16,883 [TELEPHONE RINGS] 227 00:12:18,476 --> 00:12:19,996 Hello? 228 00:12:20,883 --> 00:12:22,285 Of course. 229 00:12:22,286 --> 00:12:23,883 OK, he's ready to see you now. 230 00:12:24,265 --> 00:12:25,882 Thank you very much. 231 00:12:25,883 --> 00:12:27,882 This is a great pleasure to meet you, Mr Edwards. 232 00:12:27,883 --> 00:12:28,883 - Charlie. - Please... 233 00:12:28,884 --> 00:12:30,882 Thank you very much for seeing us, Mr Buckland. 234 00:12:30,883 --> 00:12:32,882 - Not at all. - I know you must be very busy. 235 00:12:32,883 --> 00:12:35,063 You've got all the documents I sent you. 236 00:12:35,064 --> 00:12:36,882 - Mm. - I feel very passionate about this. 237 00:12:36,883 --> 00:12:39,562 Halliwell must be prosecuted for the murder of my daughter. 238 00:12:39,563 --> 00:12:42,242 Not just so Becky gets justice, but cos the police officer involved, 239 00:12:42,243 --> 00:12:45,376 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, because it's not fair 240 00:12:45,377 --> 00:12:47,382 that he should be facing losing his career over this 241 00:12:47,383 --> 00:12:49,882 - when all he did was try to save... - Karen, not all at once. 242 00:12:49,883 --> 00:12:51,883 You're bombarding the man. 243 00:12:52,883 --> 00:12:54,562 Sorry. It's just, once I start, I... 244 00:12:54,563 --> 00:12:56,265 ...I find it hard to stop. 245 00:12:57,736 --> 00:13:00,736 But what I wanted to say, and I know you're a lawyer yourself, 246 00:13:01,185 --> 00:13:03,883 is I think there's a grey area here with PACE. 247 00:13:04,505 --> 00:13:05,883 I agree. 248 00:13:06,883 --> 00:13:08,425 You agree? 249 00:13:08,883 --> 00:13:09,883 Yes. 250 00:13:09,884 --> 00:13:12,265 Yeah, I think PACE does need to be looked at. 251 00:13:13,105 --> 00:13:14,562 So... 252 00:13:14,563 --> 00:13:15,882 ...can you help us? 253 00:13:15,883 --> 00:13:17,882 You've started a petition? 254 00:13:17,883 --> 00:13:20,882 Yes, we've got over 7,000 signatures so far. 255 00:13:20,883 --> 00:13:23,882 Right, you need to get that number up as high as you possibly can. 256 00:13:23,883 --> 00:13:24,883 If I'm to lobby the Government, 257 00:13:24,884 --> 00:13:26,882 the higher the number, the more they'll take notice. 258 00:13:26,883 --> 00:13:29,882 And you also need to keep on doing your radio and TV interviews 259 00:13:29,883 --> 00:13:31,425 whenever you get the chance. 260 00:13:31,923 --> 00:13:34,882 You see, the more the campaign features in the press, 261 00:13:34,883 --> 00:13:36,978 the likelihood increases that the Government 262 00:13:36,979 --> 00:13:39,882 could ask Wiltshire Police Service some awkward questions. 263 00:13:39,883 --> 00:13:41,882 Oh, right. 264 00:13:41,883 --> 00:13:43,402 You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards, 265 00:13:43,403 --> 00:13:45,882 and make people aware of PACE's limitations. 266 00:13:45,883 --> 00:13:47,923 But to answer your question simply, then... 267 00:13:48,425 --> 00:13:51,025 ...yes, I'd like to try and help you. 268 00:13:52,025 --> 00:13:55,705 Oh, thank you! Thank you very much, Mr Buckland! 269 00:13:59,883 --> 00:14:01,882 - Hey. - Hi! 270 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:03,465 Hi, how are you doing? 271 00:14:04,883 --> 00:14:05,883 Nice to see you. 272 00:14:05,884 --> 00:14:07,882 Can I get you a drink? 273 00:14:07,883 --> 00:14:09,882 - Erm, red wine. - Mm-hm. 274 00:14:09,883 --> 00:14:10,883 Thank you. 275 00:14:10,884 --> 00:14:12,882 They've sent a file off to the Crown Prosecution Service 276 00:14:12,883 --> 00:14:14,882 for a criminal prosecution against you. 277 00:14:14,883 --> 00:14:16,882 Criminal? What for? 278 00:14:16,883 --> 00:14:18,306 Malfeasance in a public office. 279 00:14:18,307 --> 00:14:19,488 Malfeasance?! 280 00:14:19,513 --> 00:14:20,882 They want to put him in prison now? 281 00:14:20,883 --> 00:14:23,269 Malfeasance is about abuse of office. 282 00:14:23,270 --> 00:14:25,239 Trying to find Sian alive 283 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,883 and trying to recover the body of a missing girl isn't malfeasance. 284 00:14:28,345 --> 00:14:30,882 I mean, if that's the case, who is the victim? 285 00:14:30,883 --> 00:14:32,882 Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell. 286 00:14:32,883 --> 00:14:35,882 The prosecution case would have to be that, but for my actions, 287 00:14:35,883 --> 00:14:37,882 poor old Christopher Halliwell would be a free man. 288 00:14:37,883 --> 00:14:41,402 Well, the CPS threw it out. But it shows you their mind-set. 289 00:14:41,403 --> 00:14:42,938 Seems they want to get you for something. 290 00:14:42,963 --> 00:14:44,183 I'm going to the loo. 291 00:14:44,184 --> 00:14:45,883 I may well throw up. 292 00:14:50,425 --> 00:14:52,723 This is driving her mad. 293 00:14:53,883 --> 00:14:55,723 She wants me to resign. 294 00:14:56,723 --> 00:14:59,882 And do what? I've been a detective for more than 20 years. 295 00:14:59,883 --> 00:15:01,722 Please, don't jump yet, Steve. 296 00:15:01,723 --> 00:15:03,466 At least wait until you see a lawyer 297 00:15:03,467 --> 00:15:05,172 about your defence for the disciplinary hearing. 298 00:15:05,173 --> 00:15:07,882 Hear what he has to say. I can't believe they won't exonerate you 299 00:15:07,883 --> 00:15:09,882 - once they hear the evidence. - Mm-hm. 300 00:15:09,883 --> 00:15:12,242 What's happening to you is horrible and unfair. 301 00:15:12,243 --> 00:15:13,883 But you mustn't give in. 302 00:15:14,569 --> 00:15:17,569 I'm not an expert and I've never done anything like this before. 303 00:15:17,883 --> 00:15:20,882 And I've discovered I actually hate the sound of my own voice. 304 00:15:20,883 --> 00:15:22,882 [CHUCKLING] 305 00:15:22,883 --> 00:15:25,425 But I am a mother who has lost her daughter. 306 00:15:26,243 --> 00:15:29,065 And I feel that gives me the right to speak my mind. 307 00:15:29,883 --> 00:15:33,545 Because I am absolutely raging about this inside. 308 00:15:34,985 --> 00:15:36,762 My daughter had her problems. 309 00:15:36,763 --> 00:15:39,562 But that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve justice. 310 00:15:39,563 --> 00:15:43,325 That doesn't mean we should treat her any differently to anybody else 311 00:15:43,326 --> 00:15:45,883 who's had their life snatched away from them. 312 00:15:46,883 --> 00:15:51,882 I'm asking the Government to urgently review Code C of PACE, 313 00:15:51,883 --> 00:15:55,882 which covers the detention, treatment and questioning 314 00:15:55,883 --> 00:15:57,883 of suspects by police officers. 315 00:15:58,883 --> 00:16:02,882 PACE is nearly 30 years old and it was brought in because of concerns 316 00:16:02,883 --> 00:16:05,607 over the way the police were behaving with people in custody. 317 00:16:05,608 --> 00:16:07,505 Which I understand. 318 00:16:07,883 --> 00:16:09,882 But what Steve Fulcher faced 319 00:16:09,883 --> 00:16:12,082 were a very, very unusual set of circumstances. 320 00:16:12,083 --> 00:16:15,562 And I feel there should be more flexibility 321 00:16:15,563 --> 00:16:19,025 when police officers arrest people in situations like that. 322 00:16:20,225 --> 00:16:22,882 Because I don't want anybody else to suffer 323 00:16:22,914 --> 00:16:24,914 what we have been through as a family. 324 00:16:26,796 --> 00:16:28,796 Thank you. Thank you very much. 325 00:16:44,883 --> 00:16:45,922 - I love you. - I love you, too. 326 00:16:45,923 --> 00:16:47,083 See you soon. 327 00:16:56,883 --> 00:16:58,882 Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it? I'm Yvonne. 328 00:16:58,883 --> 00:17:00,882 Steve's wife. I just want to say hello. 329 00:17:00,883 --> 00:17:02,882 Oh, how lovely to meet you. 330 00:17:02,883 --> 00:17:04,882 This is my husband Charlie. 331 00:17:04,883 --> 00:17:06,882 I am so sorry Steve's having to go through this. 332 00:17:06,883 --> 00:17:09,362 In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace 333 00:17:09,363 --> 00:17:11,882 and please don't think we had anything to do with it. 334 00:17:11,883 --> 00:17:13,882 This is all down to him. And when I heard he'd made a complaint, 335 00:17:13,883 --> 00:17:15,882 after all Steve has done for us, 336 00:17:15,883 --> 00:17:17,882 I could have wrung his neck. 337 00:17:17,883 --> 00:17:20,265 Nice to meet you. Erm, I was going to go outside. 338 00:17:20,266 --> 00:17:22,722 - I'm not allowed to stay in here. - Oh, that's ridiculous. 339 00:17:22,723 --> 00:17:24,882 Don't you worry, love. We'll look after him. 340 00:17:24,883 --> 00:17:25,883 Thanks. 341 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,680 Good morning, everyone. 342 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,160 I am Chief Constable Andy Parker from Warwickshire Police 343 00:17:35,161 --> 00:17:36,560 and I'll be chairing this hearing. 344 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,967 There are some of you that I haven't met before. 345 00:17:38,968 --> 00:17:41,167 I wonder if we can begin by you telling us your names? 346 00:17:41,168 --> 00:17:43,967 Anna Proctor, IPCC. 347 00:17:43,968 --> 00:17:44,968 Thank you. 348 00:17:44,969 --> 00:17:47,820 - The gentleman at the back? - Er... 349 00:17:48,298 --> 00:17:50,618 My name is John Godden. 350 00:17:50,886 --> 00:17:52,886 Father of Rebecca Godden. 351 00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:58,070 David Godden, John's brother. 352 00:17:59,881 --> 00:18:02,881 Karen Edwards, mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards. 353 00:18:02,906 --> 00:18:05,613 Could you just hang on a minute, cos I...? 354 00:18:05,638 --> 00:18:06,971 I think I'm on the wrong side here. 355 00:18:07,008 --> 00:18:09,536 Cos I don't want to be associated with this lot. 356 00:18:09,537 --> 00:18:11,589 Because we're here to support Steve Fulcher. 357 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:13,648 So, were going to... Come on, Charlie. 358 00:18:15,321 --> 00:18:16,321 Thank you. 359 00:18:18,968 --> 00:18:21,190 Thank you. Carry on. 360 00:18:25,968 --> 00:18:27,967 The first allegation concerns a complaint 361 00:18:27,968 --> 00:18:29,967 brought against you by Mr Godden. 362 00:18:29,968 --> 00:18:31,967 It is alleged that your behaviour, 363 00:18:31,968 --> 00:18:35,466 when dealing with Mr Halliwell on 24th March, 2011, 364 00:18:35,467 --> 00:18:38,359 fell below the standards of professional behaviour 365 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:40,968 required of an officer of your standing. 366 00:18:42,321 --> 00:18:44,321 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 367 00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,008 I deny the allegation. 368 00:18:47,566 --> 00:18:48,943 Allegation two. 369 00:18:48,968 --> 00:18:51,967 It is alleged by your employer, Wiltshire Police, 370 00:18:51,968 --> 00:18:55,008 that, by having inappropriate contact with the media, 371 00:18:55,310 --> 00:18:58,967 your conduct again fell below the same standards. 372 00:18:58,968 --> 00:19:00,967 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 373 00:19:00,968 --> 00:19:02,487 I deny the allegation. 374 00:19:02,488 --> 00:19:05,967 The provisions of PACE are quite clear, Mr Fulcher. 375 00:19:05,968 --> 00:19:08,134 I mean, they're there to protect the rights of all of us. 376 00:19:08,135 --> 00:19:10,250 - Yes. - Yet, you did not caution 377 00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:12,807 Christopher Halliwell as the law dictates. 378 00:19:12,808 --> 00:19:13,967 Now, why not? 379 00:19:13,968 --> 00:19:15,968 Because I felt it was disingenuous 380 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:21,245 to begin an interview with Halliwell in those circumstances by saying, 381 00:19:21,246 --> 00:19:22,487 "You don't have to say anything." 382 00:19:22,488 --> 00:19:24,647 I felt his right to silence 383 00:19:24,648 --> 00:19:26,968 directly conflicted with Sian's right to life. 384 00:19:27,968 --> 00:19:30,483 Er, a little while later, Halliwell says to you, 385 00:19:30,484 --> 00:19:33,807 "Do you want another one?" Now, what did you understand this to mean? 386 00:19:33,808 --> 00:19:36,967 It wasn't actually clear, initially, what it meant. 387 00:19:36,968 --> 00:19:38,967 Well, if it wasn't clear, wouldn't it have been better 388 00:19:38,968 --> 00:19:40,576 to arrest him for Sian, caution him, 389 00:19:40,577 --> 00:19:42,967 and then clarify things on the other one back at the police station? 390 00:19:42,968 --> 00:19:44,967 But they wouldn't have been clarified, would they? 391 00:19:44,968 --> 00:19:47,967 His solicitor would've advised him to go, "No comment," 392 00:19:47,968 --> 00:19:50,157 - and that would've been that. - Not necessarily. 393 00:19:50,158 --> 00:19:51,967 He could've been properly cautioned, brought back to the station 394 00:19:51,968 --> 00:19:54,270 and then revealed the victim's whereabouts. 395 00:19:54,968 --> 00:19:57,007 That's the difference between theory and practice. 396 00:19:57,008 --> 00:19:59,967 I mean, in practice, that has never happened. 397 00:19:59,968 --> 00:20:01,327 Not once, in my whole career. 398 00:20:01,328 --> 00:20:04,301 Now, if you had arrested him and cautioned him at that point, 399 00:20:04,302 --> 00:20:05,807 then everything that followed 400 00:20:05,808 --> 00:20:07,327 would have remained admissible in evidence. 401 00:20:07,328 --> 00:20:10,647 Not to do so was a gross error of judgment on your part, wasn't it? 402 00:20:10,648 --> 00:20:11,968 I don't believe it was, no. 403 00:20:16,905 --> 00:20:20,967 I feel like a madman in a roomful of people who don't understand me. 404 00:20:20,968 --> 00:20:24,648 I'm saying the same thing over and over again and nobody's listening. 405 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,387 Mr Geenty, you've always supported Steve Fulcher's reasoning 406 00:20:40,412 --> 00:20:42,959 for not cautioning Christopher Halliwell, haven't you? 407 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,759 I have no doubt about his good faith that day. 408 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,759 Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning. 409 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,759 At the pre-trial hearing, before the Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said, 410 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,394 "I think the decision Steve made was, 411 00:20:56,395 --> 00:21:00,093 "to use the slang, a gutsy decision. 412 00:21:00,094 --> 00:21:02,759 "And I'd like to think I would make a similar decision 413 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,759 "in the same circumstances." 414 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,759 Well, that was when he was still hoping 415 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,599 that Sian might be found alive. 416 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,759 We all were. 417 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,759 But I disagree with his judgment 418 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,760 when it came to him being offered information about the second body. 419 00:21:15,962 --> 00:21:19,759 That is where I think PACE and the protection of the suspect 420 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,759 would have become paramount 421 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,759 because tragically, at that point, when he knew Sian was dead, 422 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,759 the urgent interview provision no longer applied. 423 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,057 So you agree with his actions in relation to Sian, but not to Becky? 424 00:21:31,058 --> 00:21:34,759 No, I believe, at that point, in the heat of the moment, 425 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,442 he could not have been thinking clearly. 426 00:21:36,443 --> 00:21:39,202 So what are you saying, then? That Becky doesn't matter? 427 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,759 Would it be fair to say that Steve Fulcher 428 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,599 was by far the most experienced SIO that Wiltshire had 429 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,759 at the point of the Sian and Becky investigation? 430 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,102 Steve has demonstrated that he has a solid track record. 431 00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:55,759 And that, whatever else this case is about, 432 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,759 there is no doubt that he is an outstandingly good police officer. 433 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,192 He is a very competent officer, yes. 434 00:22:02,193 --> 00:22:05,119 Now, in spite of the fact that it's normal for senior officers 435 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:07,759 to give off-the-record media briefings, 436 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,759 you say you had a conversation with Steve Fulcher 437 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,334 to tell him of an order by the then Deputy Chief Constable Geenty 438 00:22:14,335 --> 00:22:16,759 that he wasn't to do any interviews with journalists. 439 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,119 That is correct, yes. 440 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:20,959 You made an entry into your diary that day, didn't you? 441 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,449 You record 16 points 442 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:25,799 relating to various matters you'd discussed with him. 443 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,759 But the one thing you haven't recorded 444 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,464 is any mention of Steve Fulcher 445 00:22:30,465 --> 00:22:32,251 being told not to speak to the media. 446 00:22:32,252 --> 00:22:34,959 I spoke to Steve Fulcher about DCC Geenty's order 447 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,402 at the end of the conversation. 448 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,759 Those other points were from the first part of the conversation. 449 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,759 But surely, Mr Geenty's order 450 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,759 would've been the most important part of that conversation, 451 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,959 based on the fact that Steve Fulcher stands here today 452 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,759 with the prospect of losing his career because of it? 453 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,759 I didn't feel it necessary to have recorded 454 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,760 that part of the conversation. 455 00:22:54,761 --> 00:22:57,402 But I can assure you that it did happen. 456 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,759 Is this actually misconduct at all? 457 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,999 In both instances, the failure to caution Christopher Halliwell 458 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,759 and the interviews Detective Superintendent Fulcher 459 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,344 gave to the media, 460 00:23:08,345 --> 00:23:10,512 might not many members of the public say, 461 00:23:10,513 --> 00:23:15,167 "Surely, there are better ways for the police service and the IPCC 462 00:23:15,168 --> 00:23:16,759 "to deal with such matters? 463 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,759 "Are you really satisfied, based on the evidence before you, 464 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,135 "that you could take the steps to remove this man's career?" 465 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,440 - Thank you, Mr Beggs. - Are there any questions 466 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,572 from Rebecca's family members present today? 467 00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:31,000 Well, not from me. I'm very happy with how it's gone. 468 00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:34,819 - Mrs Edwards? - I agree with Mr Beggs. 469 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:38,819 It seems ridiculous all this public money's been spent on this. 470 00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:40,339 Thank you, both. 471 00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:43,214 Well, we shall now retire to consider our judgment. 472 00:23:43,215 --> 00:23:45,819 You will be informed of our verdict in due course, 473 00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:47,819 when this hearing will reconvene. 474 00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:48,982 Thank you. 475 00:24:22,007 --> 00:24:23,711 MAN: Come on, you reds! 476 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,560 My sister got in a cab with him. 477 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,239 - With Halliwell? - Yeah. 478 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,559 She seen his picture in the paper and she was sure it was him. 479 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,559 She gets in his cab and he drives her the wrong way, 480 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,559 out towards Savernake Forest, acting all weird, like. 481 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,399 She screams and opens the door and someone sees them. 482 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,189 And he pulls over and lets her out. 483 00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:53,559 Says he was just having a laugh with her. 484 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,762 - She doesn't know how lucky she is. - Yeah, that's what my mum says. 485 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,042 All right, thank you. Thank you. 486 00:25:01,922 --> 00:25:04,559 We just wanted to check that you were OK. 487 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,560 See if you had any worries or questions. 488 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:09,560 Thank you. It's much appreciated. 489 00:25:11,087 --> 00:25:14,508 I don't know if you're aware of what Karen Edwards is doing. 490 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,962 She's got a petition going. 491 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,600 I'm aware of it, yeah. 492 00:25:19,625 --> 00:25:23,425 Her support for Stephen Fulcher is very commendable, but... 493 00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:26,450 ...Wiltshire Police Service feel it is... 494 00:25:26,475 --> 00:25:27,835 ...misguided. 495 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,080 Our position is that Fulcher shouldn't have breached PACE. 496 00:25:33,922 --> 00:25:35,560 Yeah, that's how we feel. 497 00:25:36,922 --> 00:25:39,080 We would have found Sian's body anyway. 498 00:25:39,885 --> 00:25:41,205 That's good to know. 499 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,759 We've heard from Karen's FLO that she would like to meet you. 500 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,559 Would you be interested in us arranging that? 501 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,560 No, I wouldn't. Thank you. 502 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,762 After she got in the car with him... 503 00:25:55,882 --> 00:25:58,400 ...I keep wondering what happened to her after that. 504 00:26:01,013 --> 00:26:03,653 I torment myself wondering if it was quick. 505 00:26:07,002 --> 00:26:08,560 Erm... 506 00:26:09,153 --> 00:26:14,153 He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have to give a detailed account in court. 507 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,399 Or at least... 508 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,882 ...one that we could challenge. 509 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,559 Did she know what he was going to do with her? 510 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,560 Was she frightened? 511 00:26:25,093 --> 00:26:27,733 Halliwell said that he killed her quickly. 512 00:26:28,813 --> 00:26:30,813 Within a few minutes of setting off. 513 00:26:31,807 --> 00:26:34,327 She started struggling, so he stabbed her. 514 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,560 Erm... 515 00:26:39,032 --> 00:26:40,992 I don't know if I believe him. 516 00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:46,950 She wasn't wearing her boots when you found her. 517 00:26:47,635 --> 00:26:48,995 They were tight-fitting. 518 00:26:51,084 --> 00:26:52,802 When did they come off? Did...? 519 00:26:53,291 --> 00:26:54,971 Did he start to undress her? 520 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,560 I just keep playing it over and over in my head. 521 00:27:12,922 --> 00:27:16,162 Different scenarios and... 522 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,560 ...I just see her face, Pete. 523 00:27:24,042 --> 00:27:25,560 Terrified. 524 00:27:28,842 --> 00:27:30,180 Come here... 525 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,560 It's OK. 526 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,959 Come here. 527 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:35,919 Shh... 528 00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:39,919 [HE SIGHS] 529 00:27:41,512 --> 00:27:43,512 I want to look after you, Elaine. 530 00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:48,121 I'm here for you, all right? 531 00:27:51,126 --> 00:27:55,328 Everything that's happened has just made me want to protect you. 532 00:28:02,158 --> 00:28:04,158 Why don't you pack it in at work? 533 00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:08,032 You hate that fucking job. 534 00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:10,943 I can support you. 535 00:28:16,614 --> 00:28:19,136 I want us to be together properly, Elaine. 536 00:28:23,993 --> 00:28:24,993 Mm. 537 00:28:37,889 --> 00:28:40,567 I have asked you not to smoke inside. 538 00:28:54,446 --> 00:28:57,086 - Why don't you have a shower? - [HE SCOFFS] 539 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,146 Why don't you have a nice shower and we could go to Brighton? 540 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:02,640 The girls are out tonight. 541 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,400 We could have lunch and we wouldn't have to rush back. 542 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,713 Do I smell, Yvonne? 543 00:29:06,195 --> 00:29:07,712 - What? - Or do I stink? 544 00:29:07,713 --> 00:29:09,713 Can you smell me from there? 545 00:29:10,035 --> 00:29:11,712 I don't know what you're talking about. 546 00:29:11,713 --> 00:29:12,912 Oh, obfuscation. 547 00:29:12,913 --> 00:29:14,712 I can tell from your answer, 548 00:29:14,713 --> 00:29:16,713 or, more accurately, your... 549 00:29:17,075 --> 00:29:19,713 ...lack of an answer, that I don't. Therefore... 550 00:29:20,235 --> 00:29:21,712 ...no need for me to shower. 551 00:29:21,713 --> 00:29:23,155 Is this you being funny? 552 00:29:24,713 --> 00:29:27,312 Anyway, I'm not allowed to leave the county 553 00:29:27,313 --> 00:29:28,712 without getting permission from them. 554 00:29:28,713 --> 00:29:30,206 - You're joking? - It's true. 555 00:29:30,207 --> 00:29:32,435 I have to ask them if I can leave Wiltshire. 556 00:29:36,713 --> 00:29:37,713 Well... 557 00:29:39,073 --> 00:29:40,233 OK. 558 00:29:49,005 --> 00:29:52,712 What has happened to Steve Fulcher is nothing short of scandalous. 559 00:29:52,713 --> 00:29:56,392 Cos, without him, my daughter would be lying in a field somewhere 560 00:29:56,393 --> 00:29:58,712 without anyone knowing where she was. 561 00:29:58,713 --> 00:30:01,106 But he has been hounded from pillar to post 562 00:30:01,107 --> 00:30:03,441 while Christopher Halliwell, who murdered her, 563 00:30:03,442 --> 00:30:05,712 has never faced justice for what he did. 564 00:30:05,713 --> 00:30:08,712 Our Justice For Becky campaign is petitioning the Government 565 00:30:08,713 --> 00:30:09,752 to change the PACE law. 566 00:30:09,753 --> 00:30:13,712 So, please, sign our petition if you see us around Swindon. 567 00:30:13,713 --> 00:30:14,713 Not ideal. 568 00:30:14,714 --> 00:30:17,193 What, are you worried about a backlash 569 00:30:17,194 --> 00:30:20,712 if Karen Edwards' support for Steve Fulcher gains too much momentum? 570 00:30:20,713 --> 00:30:23,712 Because, I have to admit, it has crossed my mind. 571 00:30:23,713 --> 00:30:25,972 It's not great, from a PR point of view. 572 00:30:25,997 --> 00:30:27,110 No. 573 00:30:27,111 --> 00:30:30,392 Maybe we should have another think about the investigation. 574 00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:31,486 Yeah. 575 00:30:31,487 --> 00:30:34,232 I know we bicker, I know he can be... 576 00:30:34,233 --> 00:30:35,712 ...controlling. 577 00:30:35,713 --> 00:30:36,753 But... 578 00:30:37,235 --> 00:30:38,713 ...he can be so sweet. 579 00:30:40,393 --> 00:30:41,712 He's picked me up when I was down. 580 00:30:41,713 --> 00:30:43,912 He's been there for me all through this. He's been my rock. 581 00:30:43,913 --> 00:30:46,233 He did force you to get that lump on your boob checked. 582 00:30:46,234 --> 00:30:47,712 I will give him that. 583 00:30:47,713 --> 00:30:50,712 And just when I think he's exactly what I need, 584 00:30:50,713 --> 00:30:53,392 things happen and I wonder if he is. 585 00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:55,712 We've had another row because he says Aiden 586 00:30:55,713 --> 00:30:58,712 took a can of Coke out of the fridge without asking. 587 00:30:58,713 --> 00:31:00,713 Really? A can of Coke? 588 00:31:01,773 --> 00:31:03,035 That's the, er... 589 00:31:03,913 --> 00:31:06,713 ...the police at Karen's. I wonder what they're there for. 590 00:31:08,393 --> 00:31:09,713 She asked to meet me, Karen. 591 00:31:10,713 --> 00:31:12,915 - What did you say? - No. 592 00:31:14,713 --> 00:31:16,955 I can't face her. I know I should, but... 593 00:31:18,713 --> 00:31:20,713 I can't really explain it. 594 00:31:21,639 --> 00:31:23,411 We have come across so many people 595 00:31:23,412 --> 00:31:25,490 who have given us information on Halliwell. 596 00:31:25,491 --> 00:31:27,323 People who say they got into his taxi with him 597 00:31:27,324 --> 00:31:28,752 and had scary experiences. 598 00:31:28,753 --> 00:31:32,186 People saying he got obsessed with women and would stalk them. 599 00:31:32,187 --> 00:31:34,935 People who can link him to girls who have gone missing. 600 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,712 But it's all hearsay, Karen. 601 00:31:36,713 --> 00:31:39,495 People say they know someone who knew him 602 00:31:39,496 --> 00:31:41,712 or people who've heard something about him 603 00:31:41,713 --> 00:31:43,401 and not seen it for themselves. 604 00:31:43,402 --> 00:31:45,915 Nothing that would stand up in court. 605 00:31:47,633 --> 00:31:50,633 I'm sorry, but trying to play amateur detective 606 00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:54,396 and criticising Wiltshire Police in the media is not helping things. 607 00:31:54,421 --> 00:31:55,723 It's not all critical. 608 00:31:55,753 --> 00:32:00,114 I always tell everybody what a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did. 609 00:32:00,115 --> 00:32:01,712 And he is a Wiltshire police officer, isn't he? 610 00:32:01,713 --> 00:32:03,294 We're all in this together. 611 00:32:03,651 --> 00:32:06,208 Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum Elaine the other day 612 00:32:06,233 --> 00:32:08,552 and she was saying the same thing. 613 00:32:08,553 --> 00:32:09,713 It's a team effort. 614 00:32:10,075 --> 00:32:13,712 Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her? 615 00:32:13,713 --> 00:32:15,713 - I did. - And what did she say? 616 00:32:17,573 --> 00:32:18,573 Er... 617 00:32:18,713 --> 00:32:21,713 She says it's not the right time for her at the moment. 618 00:32:27,627 --> 00:32:29,627 Well, my door is always open. 619 00:32:32,713 --> 00:32:34,712 When you spoke to the psychiatrist 620 00:32:34,713 --> 00:32:37,160 about those feelings of rage, Christopher, 621 00:32:37,161 --> 00:32:39,712 of being consumed by a single thought, 622 00:32:39,713 --> 00:32:42,955 did he talk about finding a harmless release mechanism? 623 00:32:43,926 --> 00:32:47,566 For example, to think of something that calms us down. 624 00:32:47,986 --> 00:32:50,242 Well, I told him I liked to go fishing. 625 00:32:51,713 --> 00:32:53,713 I used to love sitting there for hours on end. 626 00:32:54,915 --> 00:32:56,713 I find it very peaceful. 627 00:32:57,115 --> 00:32:58,713 And that's good. 628 00:32:59,713 --> 00:33:00,913 Yeah. 629 00:33:01,155 --> 00:33:03,713 I had this special place where I liked to fish. 630 00:33:04,035 --> 00:33:05,713 Out in the woods. 631 00:33:06,647 --> 00:33:08,647 It was like my own private... 632 00:33:08,713 --> 00:33:10,713 I don't know what you'd call it. A sanctum. 633 00:33:11,595 --> 00:33:12,713 Yeah. 634 00:33:14,115 --> 00:33:15,713 I used to love going there. 635 00:33:16,713 --> 00:33:18,515 My special place. 636 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,100 [DOOR CLOSES] 637 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:43,440 The panel feels that 638 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,558 the continuation of custody of Christopher Halliwell 639 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:47,900 without caution or without any of the other safeguards 640 00:33:47,901 --> 00:33:49,740 afforded him by PACE, 641 00:33:49,741 --> 00:33:52,695 particularly when en route to the location of Rebecca Godden, 642 00:33:52,696 --> 00:33:53,900 cannot be justified. 643 00:33:53,901 --> 00:33:57,260 At such time as it became apparent that Sian O'Callaghan was dead, 644 00:33:57,261 --> 00:33:59,511 you should have stopped the car, turned it around 645 00:33:59,512 --> 00:34:01,580 and taken Halliwell into custody. 646 00:34:01,581 --> 00:34:04,341 And the panel has a wider duty to perform 647 00:34:04,342 --> 00:34:06,900 in respect to public confidence, 648 00:34:06,901 --> 00:34:09,490 and the message needs to be sent to other officers 649 00:34:09,491 --> 00:34:12,900 that a detective cannot ignore PACE to such an extent 650 00:34:12,901 --> 00:34:15,580 without being held fully to account. 651 00:34:15,581 --> 00:34:18,743 And we regard your conduct as gross misconduct. 652 00:34:19,741 --> 00:34:22,900 On allegation two, the panel concludes that, 653 00:34:22,901 --> 00:34:24,900 on the balance of probability, 654 00:34:24,901 --> 00:34:28,260 you were given an instruction by Chief Superintendent Pritchard 655 00:34:28,261 --> 00:34:29,900 to not give interviews to the media. 656 00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:32,457 This is not behaviour we would expect from a senior officer 657 00:34:32,458 --> 00:34:34,901 and we regard the conduct as gross misconduct. 658 00:34:36,371 --> 00:34:38,546 These breaches would justify dismissal. 659 00:34:39,901 --> 00:34:42,900 However, taking into account your previous exemplary record, 660 00:34:42,901 --> 00:34:46,143 the panel has concluded that the most appropriate sanction... 661 00:34:46,901 --> 00:34:48,901 ...is a final written warning. 662 00:34:52,572 --> 00:34:56,900 And I cannot stress how close you came to losing your job today. 663 00:34:56,901 --> 00:34:59,900 I do hope that you have learnt from this experience. 664 00:34:59,901 --> 00:35:01,740 It's not right what Fulcher did! 665 00:35:01,741 --> 00:35:04,742 Why should we have to pay with our pain because of his mistakes? 666 00:35:04,743 --> 00:35:06,901 I've been mentally scarred by this. 667 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,051 It seems to me, come to Swindon and commit a murder 668 00:35:11,076 --> 00:35:12,465 cos you'll get away with it. 669 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:16,120 I will never trust the police again. 670 00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:18,340 Never. 671 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,520 I can start back as soon as possible. 672 00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:18,751 And you're actually going to? 673 00:36:18,752 --> 00:36:20,380 Well, what else am I going to do? 674 00:36:20,752 --> 00:36:23,300 I'm a police officer. It's all I... 675 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,439 It's all I know, Yvonne! 676 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,439 - And I am fucking good at it! - Good for you, Steve! 677 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,988 Fuck everyone else! 678 00:36:47,908 --> 00:36:49,639 We're very pleased to have you here, Steve. 679 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,959 Thank you. 680 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,439 - You knew Ray Hayward, is that right? - Er, yes. 681 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,440 Yes, I liked Ray. 682 00:36:54,441 --> 00:36:57,279 I met him many times in meetings. 683 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,548 He always had an interesting take on things, you know. 684 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,120 Here we are. 685 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,439 Now, when the word went round that you were available, 686 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,015 our previous Bobby Van manager has just retired. 687 00:37:11,016 --> 00:37:12,209 Mm-hm. 688 00:37:12,234 --> 00:37:14,807 - You're obviously a bit overqualified... - What exactly is Bobby Van? 689 00:37:14,808 --> 00:37:16,639 It's a local initiative to get a van out 690 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,439 to burglary and criminal damage victims 691 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,439 to get their windows and doors and suchlike fixed up. 692 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,439 Mm-hm. Right. 693 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,119 Well, I'll... 694 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,440 I'll leave you to it. 695 00:37:27,748 --> 00:37:29,439 Give you a chance to get up to speed on everything. 696 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,440 - Thank you. - OK. 697 00:37:36,019 --> 00:37:40,019 [REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS] 698 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,668 This is about justice for Becky. 699 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,877 And justice for a brave police officer, 700 00:37:46,878 --> 00:37:50,439 whose career has been ruined just for doing his job. 701 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,439 And over 40,000 people have signed our petition, 702 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,440 and with the help of our local MP 703 00:37:57,868 --> 00:38:00,479 we are delighted to be able to deliver our demand 704 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,439 for a change in the law directly to Mr Cameron. 705 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,148 And this must never be allowed to happen again. 706 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,799 Will my Right Honourable friend join our cause for a thorough review 707 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,119 of Code C of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act 708 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,439 so that terrible situations like this will not happen again? 709 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,439 I will look very carefully at what my honourable friend has raised 710 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,799 and the specific case that he mentions, 711 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,439 and look also at this issue 712 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,267 of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act. 713 00:38:29,268 --> 00:38:31,820 It is always important that all information 714 00:38:31,821 --> 00:38:35,439 that possibly can be put in front of a court is put in front of the court 715 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,439 so the court can reach the correct, er... 716 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,120 ...the correct decision. 717 00:38:42,606 --> 00:38:45,439 I want you to know that it's OK to feel happy again. 718 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,439 That, if something good happens, it's OK to smile 719 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,439 or feel good inside. 720 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,960 It's not betraying Sian to feel like that. 721 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,439 Me and Pete have decided... 722 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,439 ...that we make each other happy. 723 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,440 So, we're going to get married. 724 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,359 And I wanted to tell you before anyone else, 725 00:39:09,384 --> 00:39:11,384 so you can tell me how you feel about it. 726 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,440 If it's what you want. 727 00:39:15,441 --> 00:39:17,868 - Mm. - I'm happy for you. 728 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,948 Aiden? 729 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,440 I'm glad that you want to marry Pete. 730 00:39:25,072 --> 00:39:27,072 I just want you to be happy, Mum. 731 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,280 [ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSH WHIRS] 732 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,440 [HE TURNS OFF THE TOOTHBRUSH] 733 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,440 [HE SWILLS AND SPITS] 734 00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:14,540 I've had enough, Steve. 735 00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:18,748 I can't take any more. 736 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,148 [HE CLEARS HIS THROAT] 737 00:40:25,692 --> 00:40:27,692 - OK, if I retire early... - Mm-hm. 738 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,440 ...my pension will be cut. 739 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,280 - We wouldn't have enough to live on. - I don't care. 740 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,440 Good to see you. 741 00:40:57,441 --> 00:40:59,440 So, this is where we are. Erm... 742 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,439 Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word 743 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,959 and he referred this to Theresa May, the Home Secretary. 744 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,229 Excellent. 745 00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:09,439 And she referred it to Damian Green, the Policing Secretary. 746 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,439 And he passed it on to ACPO, 747 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,439 the Association of Chief Police Officers. 748 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,439 - Right. - And they asked for comments 749 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,439 from the relevant police service, Wiltshire. 750 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,439 Then they went back to Damian Green with their recommendation 751 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,948 for no action required. 752 00:41:25,206 --> 00:41:27,206 They advise that Section 11 of PACE 753 00:41:27,231 --> 00:41:30,231 is only applicable to a threat to life and the recovery of evidence 754 00:41:30,256 --> 00:41:32,256 and, therefore, didn't apply in this case. 755 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,848 But that's exactly what Steve was doing. 756 00:41:35,873 --> 00:41:38,873 He was trying to save Sian and recover Becky's body. So... 757 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,708 I'm very sorry. 758 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,440 The pond itself. 759 00:41:43,441 --> 00:41:46,439 And as you can see, we've pulled out a lot of pieces of clothing. 760 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,439 - That's quite a lot there. - It is. 761 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,440 What are we up to now? 762 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,279 About 20 items so far. But I expect that to go up. 763 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,279 We're going to have another scan of the pond 764 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,439 and see if we can pull anything else out. 765 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,887 We might have missed one or two things. 766 00:41:58,912 --> 00:41:59,946 Sir! 767 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,788 Yeah. 768 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,588 OK. Excellent. 769 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,320 I think that might be Sian's boot. 770 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,828 It was nice of you to come round. 771 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,799 I always felt that, with everything that happened, 772 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,439 I never really got the chance to tell you how sorry I was 773 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,440 about what happened to Ray. 774 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,332 Well, it's not been easy for me, 775 00:42:42,357 --> 00:42:46,282 knowing that he was so desperate and that we couldn't help him. 776 00:42:46,283 --> 00:42:47,440 Thanks. 777 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,440 Look, I can't speak about the allegations against him, but... 778 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,440 ...from my point of view, he was a good friend. 779 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,440 Yeah. There was a lot I wanted to say about how he was treated. 780 00:43:05,753 --> 00:43:07,753 It's not worth it, Steve. 781 00:43:08,306 --> 00:43:11,306 I know what's been happening with you, and it's not worth it. 782 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,440 The job meant everything to Ray, too. But... 783 00:43:17,028 --> 00:43:19,440 ...it wasn't more important than his children... 784 00:43:19,828 --> 00:43:21,440 ...than his life. 785 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,440 [PHONE RINGS] 786 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,108 Debs? 787 00:44:15,133 --> 00:44:17,133 Are you watching the local news? 788 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,708 I think the timing's a bit too convenient. 789 00:44:23,153 --> 00:44:24,673 Where was it? 790 00:44:24,698 --> 00:44:27,338 They're carrying out a dig at a spot in Ramsbury. 791 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,439 I think this has come from some information 792 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,439 passed on by Halliwell's probation officer. 793 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,439 ...the boot in the water which we have recovered. 794 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,928 So, you were walking along the lane and...? 795 00:44:36,929 --> 00:44:40,439 Scoping the ponds as to which I thought 796 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,439 would be most likely to deposit property. 797 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,948 Why now? 798 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,799 They've done nothing over the last 18 months and then suddenly, 799 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,439 "Look what a great job we're doing." 800 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,916 I reckon they're worried about backlash 801 00:44:50,917 --> 00:44:52,480 over the way you've been treated. 802 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,799 He says that numerous items have been recovered. 803 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,439 Mm. One of 60, I heard. 804 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,479 60? 805 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,440 This could be what you've been waiting for, Steve. 806 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,799 Yeah, I know. 807 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,439 Bollocks. 808 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,439 - What? - I handed in my resignation. 809 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,788 I'm no longer a police officer. 63316

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