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This whole series of events
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began with a deliberate decision
by a senior officer
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to breach the PACE code.
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Do you want another one?
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Another one?
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What resulted was not admissible
evidence in a criminal trial.
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We should still be OK
with the case against him for Sian.
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We have the DNA evidence.
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Her blood in his car,
his DNA on her body.
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What about Becky?
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The confession evidence is all we had.
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And, er, I'm afraid, without that,
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we'll have to take her name
off the indictment.
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Well, this is Fulcher's fault!
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Usual deal. None of what we talk about
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can be used by ITV
until after the verdict.
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Yeah, agreed.
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Well, he's a serial killer, Rob.
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I am convinced of it.
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His big hero was that Myra Hindley
off the Moors Murders.
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I want to make a complaint
about one of your police officers.
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Well, it's a complaint, Steve.
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We'll have to decide
whether it constitutes
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just misconduct or gross misconduct.
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- Really?
- He said they were gunning for him.
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He felt abandoned
by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift.
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But where is Becky in the pecking order?
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Right down at the bottom,
where she's always been.
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So you go back and you tell
your bosses, no, I am not satisfied.
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Not at all.
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I had a word with Mike.
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Unfortunately, he's already
referred it to the IPCC.
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They're going to charge you.
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Gross misconduct.
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- Happy anniversary!
- Oh...
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- Thank you very much.
- Happy anniversary, Mum.
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Happy anniversary, Dad.
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Oh, that's lovely!
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Oh, thank you. That's beautiful.
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- They helped me choose it. Didn't you?
- Just a little bit.
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- Thank you.
- Thank you.
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Ah-ha!
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I've always wanted...
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It's got a little red light that
flashes if you're too stressed
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- and you press it too hard.
- Do you think I'm stressed?
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- Mm, maybe...
- And I thought I was hiding it.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- Maybe a little bit.
- Keep out of it, you.
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- The card's from all three of us.
- Thank you very much.
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- We're behind you.
- Thank you.
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- Happy anniversary.
- Mm-hm.
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That helps me a lot, I'll tell you.
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We have statements from prostitutes
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putting Halliwell with Becky
in the lead-up to the murder.
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We have the guy he shared a cell with
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saying that he liked
to strangle women during sex.
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It's all there.
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Eight murders,
he told his mate on the phone.
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Now, we know about two.
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Who's out there
looking for the other six?
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It's not me. I'm sat on my arse
on restricted duties.
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Have they, er, set a date
for your disciplinary hearing?
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Before the end of the year.
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Meanwhile, I'm in total...
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...limbo.
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No case, no team.
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The knives are out for me, too.
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- What?
- Mike Veale suddenly announced to me
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that he didn't need me
as a staff officer any more.
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He thought I'd resign.
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I refused to.
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Then I find this week that
he's appointed a new staff officer.
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It's a joke.
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I mean, this is my problem.
They can't go after you, too.
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I'm going to have this out with them.
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Steve, don't. Steve...
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- Pat, can I have a quick word?
- Steve...
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Listen, I know there's a lot of flak
flying around,
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but it's not fair to...
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What's wrong with your phone?
I've been trying to call you.
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- I had it on charge.
- Mike Veale wants to see you.
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OK.
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I'll tell him you're on your way.
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- 25 years Halliwell got.
- That's Karen.
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He'll get out, so he'll have
plenty of his life in front of him.
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I feel for her, of course I do. But...
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Fulcher broke the law.
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You know that.
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I don't really know what I think
any more, to be honest.
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I know I'd rather not get into this
right here and now with Karen.
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- I'll sign.
- Oh, thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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You're actually the first.
That's... It's all my family there.
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That's... That's me at the top.
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Thank you.
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25 years...
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...Halliwell got. And he'll get out.
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- [HE KNOCKS]
- Mike wanted to see me?
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Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute.
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[KNOCK ON DOOR]
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[HE CLEARS HIS THROAT]
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Mike will see you now.
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Thank you.
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Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down.
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[DOOR CLOSES]
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- Mike. Kier.
- Steve.
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I asked DCS Pritchard
to be here this morning
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to make a note of everything.
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Now, I have to tell you, Steve,
that I am suspending you from duty
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with immediate effect.
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It's been brought to my attention
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that you had an unauthorised meeting
with a member of the press,
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the ITV journalist Rob Murphy,
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during which you discussed
Operation Mayan.
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This is a meeting that you were
expressly forbidden to attend.
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An officer from a neighbouring force
happened to be in the pub that night
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and witnessed the meeting
and reported it to Kier.
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Well, as you know, Steve,
I expressly told you
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you're not to do any interviews
with journalists.
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I don't recall any conversation
along those lines, Kier.
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I mentioned it
at one of the routines recently.
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Mm-hm.
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Now, I consider this matter
to be serious enough
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to warrant immediate suspension.
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- Do you have anything to say?
- No, I don't.
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Very well, could you please give me
your pass and warrant card?
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You will now be escorted
from the premises by Tom,
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who's waiting for you outside.
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He'll accompany you to your house
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to recover any force documents
or property.
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Do you understand what I've said to you?
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I do.
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I'll ask you again
if you have anything to say.
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I don't.
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Fine. That's everything.
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Er, I'll take the phone.
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- Can I at least call my wife?
- I'm afraid not.
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Oh, could I have that, please, sir?
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Are you coming in?
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Oh, it's Steve.
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Maughan and Ned are here.
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- Er, where's the laptop, please?
- What's going on?
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It's in the kitchen on the dining table.
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Would you accompany me in there, please?
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- Steve...?
- I've been suspended.
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What?! My mum and dad are in there.
Can I get it for you?
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I'm sorry.
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Hi, folks. Hello.
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- Hi, Steve.
- Hello.
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- Is this it?
- Yes.
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- Everything all right?
- Yes, it's a work thing.
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And she was going round
all of the toilets in the school
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and she slid under all the doors,
locked them,
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and then slid back out again
so that all the doors,
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all the toilets in the whole school
were locked.
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- How stupid.
- Mm, goodness.
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I mean, it's kind of silly
for her to get expelled,
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because she's a good student,
she's got good grades.
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It's not that big a
deal, it's just a joke.
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Just cos she's your friend.
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Do you remember Amelia
who was here last week?
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- Oh, yeah.
- You know, the really bitchy one.
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- She's not really bitchy.
- Yes, she is.
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She's not that bad.
But she's started to...
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Don't worry.
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Er, would you like to come through?
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Thank you.
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Thank you for coming to see me,
Mrs Edwards.
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The IPCC is an independent body
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that's been set up to examine
complaints against the police.
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I've asked you to come and see me
today to discuss a complaint
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that has been made against the
officer leading the investigation
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into the murder of your daughter Rebecca.
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Against Steve Fulcher?
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
that's correct.
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I wanted to know if you wanted
to add your name
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to the complaint against him.
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Who's made this complaint?
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Rebecca's father, John Godden.
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You're joking! John?!
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Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's...
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Have you met John Godden?
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All complaints about the police
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must be dealt with without prejudice.
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And it has been deemed that
the points Mr Godden has raised
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are serious enough
to warrant an investigation.
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Specifically, Detective
Superintendent Fulcher's failure
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to apply the rules of PACE
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to his interview with the chief
suspect Christopher Halliwell
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and prevented justice for his daughter.
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But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher
we'd never have found our daughter.
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So, how does he work that one out?
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So, you don't agree
with your ex-husband's view
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about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's
conduct?
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No. We bloody don't.
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If Mrs Edwards could answer
the question, please.
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No, I bloody well don't!
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We've got to help him, Charlie.
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We can't leave him
to be thrown to the wolves.
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You know, I'm sure it suits them
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to make out he's the one that messed up.
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You know, "It's not us, it's him."
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But you can't take on everyone, Karen.
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So, they're after Steve's blood.
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But the man who murdered Becky
has got away with it.
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- How do you work that one out?
- Come on, love, get in.
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No, justice for Steve
is justice for Becky.
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It's only a bloody can of Coke.
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He just had to ask first.
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And I have told him that
time and time again.
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He has no male role model in his life.
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Mick only sees him every other weekend.
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To all intents and purposes,
I'm his father now.
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Let me in, Elaine.
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I want to help.
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[DOORBELL RINGS]
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- [DOOR OPENS]
- Lauren!
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- I was just passing.
- Come in. It's so lovely to see you.
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Come in.
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- Are you going to come and say hello?
- I'm all right in here.
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Elaine... This is my daughter.
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- We don't get on, Pete.
- Yeah, I know.
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But can't you just be the bigger person?
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Come on, love, let's go through.
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[TELEPHONE RINGS]
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Hello?
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Of course.
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OK, he's ready to see you now.
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Thank you very much.
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This is a great pleasure
to meet you, Mr Edwards.
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- Charlie.
- Please...
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Thank you very much for seeing us,
Mr Buckland.
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- Not at all.
- I know you must be very busy.
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You've got all the documents I sent you.
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- Mm.
- I feel very passionate about this.
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Halliwell must be prosecuted
for the murder of my daughter.
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Not just so Becky gets justice,
but cos the police officer involved,
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
because it's not fair
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that he should be facing
losing his career over this
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- when all he did was try to save...
- Karen, not all at once.
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You're bombarding the man.
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Sorry. It's just, once I start, I...
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...I find it hard to stop.
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But what I wanted to say,
and I know you're a lawyer yourself,
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is I think there's a grey area here
with PACE.
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I agree.
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You agree?
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Yes.
250
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Yeah, I think PACE does need
to be looked at.
251
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So...
252
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...can you help us?
253
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You've started a petition?
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Yes, we've got over 7,000 signatures
so far.
255
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Right, you need to get that number
up as high as you possibly can.
256
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If I'm to lobby the Government,
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the higher the number,
the more they'll take notice.
258
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And you also need to keep on doing
your radio and TV interviews
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whenever you get the chance.
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You see, the more the campaign
features in the press,
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the likelihood increases
that the Government
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could ask Wiltshire Police Service
some awkward questions.
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Oh, right.
264
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You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards,
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and make people aware
of PACE's limitations.
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But to answer your question simply,
then...
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...yes, I'd like to try and help you.
268
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Oh, thank you!
Thank you very much, Mr Buckland!
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- Hey.
- Hi!
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Hi, how are you doing?
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Nice to see you.
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Can I get you a drink?
273
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- Erm, red wine.
- Mm-hm.
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Thank you.
275
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They've sent a file off
to the Crown Prosecution Service
276
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for a criminal prosecution against you.
277
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Criminal? What for?
278
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Malfeasance in a public office.
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Malfeasance?!
280
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They want to put him in prison now?
281
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Malfeasance is about abuse of office.
282
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Trying to find Sian alive
283
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and trying to recover the body
of a missing girl isn't malfeasance.
284
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I mean, if that's the case,
who is the victim?
285
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Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell.
286
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The prosecution case would
have to be that, but for my actions,
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poor old Christopher Halliwell
would be a free man.
288
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Well, the CPS threw it out.
But it shows you their mind-set.
289
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Seems they want to get you for something.
290
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I'm going to the loo.
291
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I may well throw up.
292
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This is driving her mad.
293
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She wants me to resign.
294
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And do what? I've been a detective
for more than 20 years.
295
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Please, don't jump yet, Steve.
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At least wait until you see a lawyer
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about your defence
for the disciplinary hearing.
298
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Hear what he has to say. I can't
believe they won't exonerate you
299
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- once they hear the evidence.
- Mm-hm.
300
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What's happening to you
is horrible and unfair.
301
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But you mustn't give in.
302
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I'm not an expert and I've never
done anything like this before.
303
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And I've discovered I actually
hate the sound of my own voice.
304
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[CHUCKLING]
305
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But I am a mother
who has lost her daughter.
306
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And I feel that gives me the right
to speak my mind.
307
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Because I am absolutely raging
about this inside.
308
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My daughter had her problems.
309
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But that doesn't mean
she doesn't deserve justice.
310
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That doesn't mean we should treat
her any differently to anybody else
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who's had their life
snatched away from them.
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I'm asking the Government
to urgently review Code C of PACE,
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which covers the detention,
treatment and questioning
314
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of suspects by police officers.
315
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PACE is nearly 30 years old and it
was brought in because of concerns
316
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over the way the police were
behaving with people in custody.
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Which I understand.
318
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But what Steve Fulcher faced
319
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were a very, very unusual
set of circumstances.
320
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And I feel
there should be more flexibility
321
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when police officers arrest people
in situations like that.
322
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Because I don't want anybody else
to suffer
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what we have been through as a family.
324
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Thank you. Thank you very much.
325
00:16:44,883 --> 00:16:45,922
- I love you.
- I love you, too.
326
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See you soon.
327
00:16:56,883 --> 00:16:58,882
Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it?
I'm Yvonne.
328
00:16:58,883 --> 00:17:00,882
Steve's wife. I just want to say hello.
329
00:17:00,883 --> 00:17:02,882
Oh, how lovely to meet you.
330
00:17:02,883 --> 00:17:04,882
This is my husband Charlie.
331
00:17:04,883 --> 00:17:06,882
I am so sorry
Steve's having to go through this.
332
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In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace
333
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and please don't think
we had anything to do with it.
334
00:17:11,883 --> 00:17:13,882
This is all down to him. And when
I heard he'd made a complaint,
335
00:17:13,883 --> 00:17:15,882
after all Steve has done for us,
336
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I could have wrung his neck.
337
00:17:17,883 --> 00:17:20,265
Nice to meet you.
Erm, I was going to go outside.
338
00:17:20,266 --> 00:17:22,722
- I'm not allowed to stay in here.
- Oh, that's ridiculous.
339
00:17:22,723 --> 00:17:24,882
Don't you worry, love.
We'll look after him.
340
00:17:24,883 --> 00:17:25,883
Thanks.
341
00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,680
Good morning, everyone.
342
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I am Chief Constable Andy Parker
from Warwickshire Police
343
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and I'll be chairing this hearing.
344
00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,967
There are some of you
that I haven't met before.
345
00:17:38,968 --> 00:17:41,167
I wonder if we can begin
by you telling us your names?
346
00:17:41,168 --> 00:17:43,967
Anna Proctor, IPCC.
347
00:17:43,968 --> 00:17:44,968
Thank you.
348
00:17:44,969 --> 00:17:47,820
- The gentleman at the back?
- Er...
349
00:17:48,298 --> 00:17:50,618
My name is John Godden.
350
00:17:50,886 --> 00:17:52,886
Father of Rebecca Godden.
351
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:58,070
David Godden, John's brother.
352
00:17:59,881 --> 00:18:02,881
Karen Edwards,
mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards.
353
00:18:02,906 --> 00:18:05,613
Could you just hang on a minute,
cos I...?
354
00:18:05,638 --> 00:18:06,971
I think I'm on the wrong side here.
355
00:18:07,008 --> 00:18:09,536
Cos I don't want to be associated
with this lot.
356
00:18:09,537 --> 00:18:11,589
Because we're here
to support Steve Fulcher.
357
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:13,648
So, were going to... Come on, Charlie.
358
00:18:15,321 --> 00:18:16,321
Thank you.
359
00:18:18,968 --> 00:18:21,190
Thank you. Carry on.
360
00:18:25,968 --> 00:18:27,967
The first allegation concerns a complaint
361
00:18:27,968 --> 00:18:29,967
brought against you by Mr Godden.
362
00:18:29,968 --> 00:18:31,967
It is alleged that your behaviour,
363
00:18:31,968 --> 00:18:35,466
when dealing with Mr Halliwell
on 24th March, 2011,
364
00:18:35,467 --> 00:18:38,359
fell below the standards
of professional behaviour
365
00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:40,968
required of an officer of your standing.
366
00:18:42,321 --> 00:18:44,321
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
367
00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,008
I deny the allegation.
368
00:18:47,566 --> 00:18:48,943
Allegation two.
369
00:18:48,968 --> 00:18:51,967
It is alleged by your employer,
Wiltshire Police,
370
00:18:51,968 --> 00:18:55,008
that, by having inappropriate
contact with the media,
371
00:18:55,310 --> 00:18:58,967
your conduct again fell below
the same standards.
372
00:18:58,968 --> 00:19:00,967
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
373
00:19:00,968 --> 00:19:02,487
I deny the allegation.
374
00:19:02,488 --> 00:19:05,967
The provisions of PACE are quite
clear, Mr Fulcher.
375
00:19:05,968 --> 00:19:08,134
I mean, they're there to protect
the rights of all of us.
376
00:19:08,135 --> 00:19:10,250
- Yes.
- Yet, you did not caution
377
00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:12,807
Christopher Halliwell
as the law dictates.
378
00:19:12,808 --> 00:19:13,967
Now, why not?
379
00:19:13,968 --> 00:19:15,968
Because I felt it was disingenuous
380
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:21,245
to begin an interview with Halliwell
in those circumstances by saying,
381
00:19:21,246 --> 00:19:22,487
"You don't have to say anything."
382
00:19:22,488 --> 00:19:24,647
I felt his right to silence
383
00:19:24,648 --> 00:19:26,968
directly conflicted
with Sian's right to life.
384
00:19:27,968 --> 00:19:30,483
Er, a little while later,
Halliwell says to you,
385
00:19:30,484 --> 00:19:33,807
"Do you want another one?" Now, what
did you understand this to mean?
386
00:19:33,808 --> 00:19:36,967
It wasn't actually clear, initially,
what it meant.
387
00:19:36,968 --> 00:19:38,967
Well, if it wasn't clear,
wouldn't it have been better
388
00:19:38,968 --> 00:19:40,576
to arrest him for Sian, caution him,
389
00:19:40,577 --> 00:19:42,967
and then clarify things on the other
one back at the police station?
390
00:19:42,968 --> 00:19:44,967
But they wouldn't have been
clarified, would they?
391
00:19:44,968 --> 00:19:47,967
His solicitor would've advised him
to go, "No comment,"
392
00:19:47,968 --> 00:19:50,157
- and that would've been that.
- Not necessarily.
393
00:19:50,158 --> 00:19:51,967
He could've been properly cautioned,
brought back to the station
394
00:19:51,968 --> 00:19:54,270
and then revealed
the victim's whereabouts.
395
00:19:54,968 --> 00:19:57,007
That's the difference between
theory and practice.
396
00:19:57,008 --> 00:19:59,967
I mean, in practice,
that has never happened.
397
00:19:59,968 --> 00:20:01,327
Not once, in my whole career.
398
00:20:01,328 --> 00:20:04,301
Now, if you had arrested him
and cautioned him at that point,
399
00:20:04,302 --> 00:20:05,807
then everything that followed
400
00:20:05,808 --> 00:20:07,327
would have remained admissible
in evidence.
401
00:20:07,328 --> 00:20:10,647
Not to do so was a gross error
of judgment on your part, wasn't it?
402
00:20:10,648 --> 00:20:11,968
I don't believe it was, no.
403
00:20:16,905 --> 00:20:20,967
I feel like a madman in a roomful
of people who don't understand me.
404
00:20:20,968 --> 00:20:24,648
I'm saying the same thing over and
over again and nobody's listening.
405
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,387
Mr Geenty, you've always supported
Steve Fulcher's reasoning
406
00:20:40,412 --> 00:20:42,959
for not cautioning
Christopher Halliwell, haven't you?
407
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,759
I have no doubt about his good faith
that day.
408
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,759
Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning.
409
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,759
At the pre-trial hearing, before the
Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said,
410
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,394
"I think the decision Steve made was,
411
00:20:56,395 --> 00:21:00,093
"to use the slang, a gutsy decision.
412
00:21:00,094 --> 00:21:02,759
"And I'd like to think
I would make a similar decision
413
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,759
"in the same circumstances."
414
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,759
Well, that was when he was still hoping
415
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,599
that Sian might be found alive.
416
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,759
We all were.
417
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,759
But I disagree with his judgment
418
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,760
when it came to him being offered
information about the second body.
419
00:21:15,962 --> 00:21:19,759
That is where I think PACE
and the protection of the suspect
420
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,759
would have become paramount
421
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,759
because tragically, at that point,
when he knew Sian was dead,
422
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,759
the urgent interview provision
no longer applied.
423
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,057
So you agree with his actions in
relation to Sian, but not to Becky?
424
00:21:31,058 --> 00:21:34,759
No, I believe, at that point,
in the heat of the moment,
425
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,442
he could not have been thinking clearly.
426
00:21:36,443 --> 00:21:39,202
So what are you saying, then?
That Becky doesn't matter?
427
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,759
Would it be fair to say
that Steve Fulcher
428
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,599
was by far the most experienced SIO
that Wiltshire had
429
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,759
at the point of the Sian and Becky
investigation?
430
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,102
Steve has demonstrated
that he has a solid track record.
431
00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:55,759
And that,
whatever else this case is about,
432
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,759
there is no doubt that he is an
outstandingly good police officer.
433
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,192
He is a very competent officer, yes.
434
00:22:02,193 --> 00:22:05,119
Now, in spite of the fact that
it's normal for senior officers
435
00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:07,759
to give off-the-record media briefings,
436
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,759
you say you had a conversation
with Steve Fulcher
437
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,334
to tell him of an order by the then
Deputy Chief Constable Geenty
438
00:22:14,335 --> 00:22:16,759
that he wasn't to do any interviews
with journalists.
439
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,119
That is correct, yes.
440
00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:20,959
You made an entry into your diary
that day, didn't you?
441
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,449
You record 16 points
442
00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:25,799
relating to various matters
you'd discussed with him.
443
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,759
But the one thing you haven't recorded
444
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,464
is any mention of Steve Fulcher
445
00:22:30,465 --> 00:22:32,251
being told not to speak to the media.
446
00:22:32,252 --> 00:22:34,959
I spoke to Steve Fulcher
about DCC Geenty's order
447
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,402
at the end of the conversation.
448
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,759
Those other points were from
the first part of the conversation.
449
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,759
But surely, Mr Geenty's order
450
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,759
would've been the most important
part of that conversation,
451
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,959
based on the fact that Steve Fulcher
stands here today
452
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,759
with the prospect
of losing his career because of it?
453
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,759
I didn't feel it necessary
to have recorded
454
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,760
that part of the conversation.
455
00:22:54,761 --> 00:22:57,402
But I can assure you that it did happen.
456
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,759
Is this actually misconduct at all?
457
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,999
In both instances, the failure
to caution Christopher Halliwell
458
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,759
and the interviews Detective
Superintendent Fulcher
459
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,344
gave to the media,
460
00:23:08,345 --> 00:23:10,512
might not many members of the public say,
461
00:23:10,513 --> 00:23:15,167
"Surely, there are better ways
for the police service and the IPCC
462
00:23:15,168 --> 00:23:16,759
"to deal with such matters?
463
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,759
"Are you really satisfied,
based on the evidence before you,
464
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,135
"that you could take the steps
to remove this man's career?"
465
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,440
- Thank you, Mr Beggs.
- Are there any questions
466
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,572
from Rebecca's family members
present today?
467
00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:31,000
Well, not from me.
I'm very happy with how it's gone.
468
00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:34,819
- Mrs Edwards?
- I agree with Mr Beggs.
469
00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:38,819
It seems ridiculous all this
public money's been spent on this.
470
00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:40,339
Thank you, both.
471
00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:43,214
Well, we shall now retire
to consider our judgment.
472
00:23:43,215 --> 00:23:45,819
You will be informed of our verdict
in due course,
473
00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:47,819
when this hearing will reconvene.
474
00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:48,982
Thank you.
475
00:24:22,007 --> 00:24:23,711
MAN: Come on, you reds!
476
00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,560
My sister got in a cab with him.
477
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,239
- With Halliwell?
- Yeah.
478
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,559
She seen his picture in the paper
and she was sure it was him.
479
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,559
She gets in his cab
and he drives her the wrong way,
480
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,559
out towards Savernake Forest,
acting all weird, like.
481
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,399
She screams and opens the door
and someone sees them.
482
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,189
And he pulls over and lets her out.
483
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:53,559
Says he was just having a laugh with her.
484
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,762
- She doesn't know how lucky she is.
- Yeah, that's what my mum says.
485
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,042
All right, thank you. Thank you.
486
00:25:01,922 --> 00:25:04,559
We just wanted to check that you were OK.
487
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,560
See if you had any worries or questions.
488
00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:09,560
Thank you. It's much appreciated.
489
00:25:11,087 --> 00:25:14,508
I don't know if you're aware
of what Karen Edwards is doing.
490
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,962
She's got a petition going.
491
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,600
I'm aware of it, yeah.
492
00:25:19,625 --> 00:25:23,425
Her support for Stephen Fulcher
is very commendable, but...
493
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:26,450
...Wiltshire Police Service feel it is...
494
00:25:26,475 --> 00:25:27,835
...misguided.
495
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,080
Our position is that Fulcher
shouldn't have breached PACE.
496
00:25:33,922 --> 00:25:35,560
Yeah, that's how we feel.
497
00:25:36,922 --> 00:25:39,080
We would have found Sian's body anyway.
498
00:25:39,885 --> 00:25:41,205
That's good to know.
499
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,759
We've heard from Karen's FLO
that she would like to meet you.
500
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,559
Would you be interested
in us arranging that?
501
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,560
No, I wouldn't. Thank you.
502
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,762
After she got in the car with him...
503
00:25:55,882 --> 00:25:58,400
...I keep wondering
what happened to her after that.
504
00:26:01,013 --> 00:26:03,653
I torment myself
wondering if it was quick.
505
00:26:07,002 --> 00:26:08,560
Erm...
506
00:26:09,153 --> 00:26:14,153
He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have
to give a detailed account in court.
507
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,399
Or at least...
508
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,882
...one that we could challenge.
509
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,559
Did she know
what he was going to do with her?
510
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Was she frightened?
511
00:26:25,093 --> 00:26:27,733
Halliwell said that he killed her
quickly.
512
00:26:28,813 --> 00:26:30,813
Within a few minutes of setting off.
513
00:26:31,807 --> 00:26:34,327
She started struggling,
so he stabbed her.
514
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,560
Erm...
515
00:26:39,032 --> 00:26:40,992
I don't know if I believe him.
516
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:46,950
She wasn't wearing her boots
when you found her.
517
00:26:47,635 --> 00:26:48,995
They were tight-fitting.
518
00:26:51,084 --> 00:26:52,802
When did they come off? Did...?
519
00:26:53,291 --> 00:26:54,971
Did he start to undress her?
520
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,560
I just keep playing it
over and over in my head.
521
00:27:12,922 --> 00:27:16,162
Different scenarios and...
522
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,560
...I just see her face, Pete.
523
00:27:24,042 --> 00:27:25,560
Terrified.
524
00:27:28,842 --> 00:27:30,180
Come here...
525
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,560
It's OK.
526
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,959
Come here.
527
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:35,919
Shh...
528
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:39,919
[HE SIGHS]
529
00:27:41,512 --> 00:27:43,512
I want to look after you, Elaine.
530
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:48,121
I'm here for you, all right?
531
00:27:51,126 --> 00:27:55,328
Everything that's happened has
just made me want to protect you.
532
00:28:02,158 --> 00:28:04,158
Why don't you pack it in at work?
533
00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:08,032
You hate that fucking job.
534
00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:10,943
I can support you.
535
00:28:16,614 --> 00:28:19,136
I want us to be together properly,
Elaine.
536
00:28:23,993 --> 00:28:24,993
Mm.
537
00:28:37,889 --> 00:28:40,567
I have asked you not to smoke inside.
538
00:28:54,446 --> 00:28:57,086
- Why don't you have a shower?
- [HE SCOFFS]
539
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,146
Why don't you have a nice shower
and we could go to Brighton?
540
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:02,640
The girls are out tonight.
541
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,400
We could have lunch
and we wouldn't have to rush back.
542
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,713
Do I smell, Yvonne?
543
00:29:06,195 --> 00:29:07,712
- What?
- Or do I stink?
544
00:29:07,713 --> 00:29:09,713
Can you smell me from there?
545
00:29:10,035 --> 00:29:11,712
I don't know what you're talking about.
546
00:29:11,713 --> 00:29:12,912
Oh, obfuscation.
547
00:29:12,913 --> 00:29:14,712
I can tell from your answer,
548
00:29:14,713 --> 00:29:16,713
or, more accurately, your...
549
00:29:17,075 --> 00:29:19,713
...lack of an answer, that I don't.
Therefore...
550
00:29:20,235 --> 00:29:21,712
...no need for me to shower.
551
00:29:21,713 --> 00:29:23,155
Is this you being funny?
552
00:29:24,713 --> 00:29:27,312
Anyway, I'm not allowed
to leave the county
553
00:29:27,313 --> 00:29:28,712
without getting permission from them.
554
00:29:28,713 --> 00:29:30,206
- You're joking?
- It's true.
555
00:29:30,207 --> 00:29:32,435
I have to ask them
if I can leave Wiltshire.
556
00:29:36,713 --> 00:29:37,713
Well...
557
00:29:39,073 --> 00:29:40,233
OK.
558
00:29:49,005 --> 00:29:52,712
What has happened to Steve Fulcher
is nothing short of scandalous.
559
00:29:52,713 --> 00:29:56,392
Cos, without him, my daughter
would be lying in a field somewhere
560
00:29:56,393 --> 00:29:58,712
without anyone knowing where she was.
561
00:29:58,713 --> 00:30:01,106
But he has been hounded
from pillar to post
562
00:30:01,107 --> 00:30:03,441
while Christopher Halliwell,
who murdered her,
563
00:30:03,442 --> 00:30:05,712
has never faced justice for what he did.
564
00:30:05,713 --> 00:30:08,712
Our Justice For Becky campaign
is petitioning the Government
565
00:30:08,713 --> 00:30:09,752
to change the PACE law.
566
00:30:09,753 --> 00:30:13,712
So, please, sign our petition
if you see us around Swindon.
567
00:30:13,713 --> 00:30:14,713
Not ideal.
568
00:30:14,714 --> 00:30:17,193
What, are you worried about a backlash
569
00:30:17,194 --> 00:30:20,712
if Karen Edwards' support for Steve
Fulcher gains too much momentum?
570
00:30:20,713 --> 00:30:23,712
Because, I have to admit,
it has crossed my mind.
571
00:30:23,713 --> 00:30:25,972
It's not great, from a PR point of view.
572
00:30:25,997 --> 00:30:27,110
No.
573
00:30:27,111 --> 00:30:30,392
Maybe we should have another think
about the investigation.
574
00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:31,486
Yeah.
575
00:30:31,487 --> 00:30:34,232
I know we bicker, I know he can be...
576
00:30:34,233 --> 00:30:35,712
...controlling.
577
00:30:35,713 --> 00:30:36,753
But...
578
00:30:37,235 --> 00:30:38,713
...he can be so sweet.
579
00:30:40,393 --> 00:30:41,712
He's picked me up when I was down.
580
00:30:41,713 --> 00:30:43,912
He's been there for me
all through this. He's been my rock.
581
00:30:43,913 --> 00:30:46,233
He did force you to get that lump
on your boob checked.
582
00:30:46,234 --> 00:30:47,712
I will give him that.
583
00:30:47,713 --> 00:30:50,712
And just when I think
he's exactly what I need,
584
00:30:50,713 --> 00:30:53,392
things happen and I wonder if he is.
585
00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:55,712
We've had another row
because he says Aiden
586
00:30:55,713 --> 00:30:58,712
took a can of Coke
out of the fridge without asking.
587
00:30:58,713 --> 00:31:00,713
Really? A can of Coke?
588
00:31:01,773 --> 00:31:03,035
That's the, er...
589
00:31:03,913 --> 00:31:06,713
...the police at Karen's.
I wonder what they're there for.
590
00:31:08,393 --> 00:31:09,713
She asked to meet me, Karen.
591
00:31:10,713 --> 00:31:12,915
- What did you say?
- No.
592
00:31:14,713 --> 00:31:16,955
I can't face her. I know I should, but...
593
00:31:18,713 --> 00:31:20,713
I can't really explain it.
594
00:31:21,639 --> 00:31:23,411
We have come across so many people
595
00:31:23,412 --> 00:31:25,490
who have given us information
on Halliwell.
596
00:31:25,491 --> 00:31:27,323
People who say
they got into his taxi with him
597
00:31:27,324 --> 00:31:28,752
and had scary experiences.
598
00:31:28,753 --> 00:31:32,186
People saying he got obsessed
with women and would stalk them.
599
00:31:32,187 --> 00:31:34,935
People who can link him to girls
who have gone missing.
600
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,712
But it's all hearsay, Karen.
601
00:31:36,713 --> 00:31:39,495
People say they know someone who knew him
602
00:31:39,496 --> 00:31:41,712
or people who've heard something
about him
603
00:31:41,713 --> 00:31:43,401
and not seen it for themselves.
604
00:31:43,402 --> 00:31:45,915
Nothing that would stand up in court.
605
00:31:47,633 --> 00:31:50,633
I'm sorry, but trying to play
amateur detective
606
00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:54,396
and criticising Wiltshire Police
in the media is not helping things.
607
00:31:54,421 --> 00:31:55,723
It's not all critical.
608
00:31:55,753 --> 00:32:00,114
I always tell everybody what
a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did.
609
00:32:00,115 --> 00:32:01,712
And he is a Wiltshire
police officer, isn't he?
610
00:32:01,713 --> 00:32:03,294
We're all in this together.
611
00:32:03,651 --> 00:32:06,208
Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum
Elaine the other day
612
00:32:06,233 --> 00:32:08,552
and she was saying the same thing.
613
00:32:08,553 --> 00:32:09,713
It's a team effort.
614
00:32:10,075 --> 00:32:13,712
Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her?
615
00:32:13,713 --> 00:32:15,713
- I did.
- And what did she say?
616
00:32:17,573 --> 00:32:18,573
Er...
617
00:32:18,713 --> 00:32:21,713
She says it's not the right time
for her at the moment.
618
00:32:27,627 --> 00:32:29,627
Well, my door is always open.
619
00:32:32,713 --> 00:32:34,712
When you spoke to the psychiatrist
620
00:32:34,713 --> 00:32:37,160
about those feelings of rage,
Christopher,
621
00:32:37,161 --> 00:32:39,712
of being consumed by a single thought,
622
00:32:39,713 --> 00:32:42,955
did he talk about finding
a harmless release mechanism?
623
00:32:43,926 --> 00:32:47,566
For example, to think of something
that calms us down.
624
00:32:47,986 --> 00:32:50,242
Well, I told him I liked to go fishing.
625
00:32:51,713 --> 00:32:53,713
I used to love sitting there
for hours on end.
626
00:32:54,915 --> 00:32:56,713
I find it very peaceful.
627
00:32:57,115 --> 00:32:58,713
And that's good.
628
00:32:59,713 --> 00:33:00,913
Yeah.
629
00:33:01,155 --> 00:33:03,713
I had this special place
where I liked to fish.
630
00:33:04,035 --> 00:33:05,713
Out in the woods.
631
00:33:06,647 --> 00:33:08,647
It was like my own private...
632
00:33:08,713 --> 00:33:10,713
I don't know what you'd call it.
A sanctum.
633
00:33:11,595 --> 00:33:12,713
Yeah.
634
00:33:14,115 --> 00:33:15,713
I used to love going there.
635
00:33:16,713 --> 00:33:18,515
My special place.
636
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,100
[DOOR CLOSES]
637
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:43,440
The panel feels that
638
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,558
the continuation of custody
of Christopher Halliwell
639
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:47,900
without caution or without any
of the other safeguards
640
00:33:47,901 --> 00:33:49,740
afforded him by PACE,
641
00:33:49,741 --> 00:33:52,695
particularly when en route
to the location of Rebecca Godden,
642
00:33:52,696 --> 00:33:53,900
cannot be justified.
643
00:33:53,901 --> 00:33:57,260
At such time as it became apparent
that Sian O'Callaghan was dead,
644
00:33:57,261 --> 00:33:59,511
you should have stopped the car,
turned it around
645
00:33:59,512 --> 00:34:01,580
and taken Halliwell into custody.
646
00:34:01,581 --> 00:34:04,341
And the panel has a wider duty to perform
647
00:34:04,342 --> 00:34:06,900
in respect to public confidence,
648
00:34:06,901 --> 00:34:09,490
and the message needs to be sent
to other officers
649
00:34:09,491 --> 00:34:12,900
that a detective cannot ignore PACE
to such an extent
650
00:34:12,901 --> 00:34:15,580
without being held fully to account.
651
00:34:15,581 --> 00:34:18,743
And we regard your conduct
as gross misconduct.
652
00:34:19,741 --> 00:34:22,900
On allegation two,
the panel concludes that,
653
00:34:22,901 --> 00:34:24,900
on the balance of probability,
654
00:34:24,901 --> 00:34:28,260
you were given an instruction
by Chief Superintendent Pritchard
655
00:34:28,261 --> 00:34:29,900
to not give interviews to the media.
656
00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:32,457
This is not behaviour we would
expect from a senior officer
657
00:34:32,458 --> 00:34:34,901
and we regard the conduct
as gross misconduct.
658
00:34:36,371 --> 00:34:38,546
These breaches would justify dismissal.
659
00:34:39,901 --> 00:34:42,900
However, taking into account
your previous exemplary record,
660
00:34:42,901 --> 00:34:46,143
the panel has concluded that
the most appropriate sanction...
661
00:34:46,901 --> 00:34:48,901
...is a final written warning.
662
00:34:52,572 --> 00:34:56,900
And I cannot stress how close
you came to losing your job today.
663
00:34:56,901 --> 00:34:59,900
I do hope that you have learnt
from this experience.
664
00:34:59,901 --> 00:35:01,740
It's not right what Fulcher did!
665
00:35:01,741 --> 00:35:04,742
Why should we have to pay with
our pain because of his mistakes?
666
00:35:04,743 --> 00:35:06,901
I've been mentally scarred by this.
667
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,051
It seems to me, come to Swindon
and commit a murder
668
00:35:11,076 --> 00:35:12,465
cos you'll get away with it.
669
00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:16,120
I will never trust the police again.
670
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:18,340
Never.
671
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,520
I can start back as soon as possible.
672
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:18,751
And you're actually going to?
673
00:36:18,752 --> 00:36:20,380
Well, what else am I going to do?
674
00:36:20,752 --> 00:36:23,300
I'm a police officer. It's all I...
675
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,439
It's all I know, Yvonne!
676
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,439
- And I am fucking good at it!
- Good for you, Steve!
677
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,988
Fuck everyone else!
678
00:36:47,908 --> 00:36:49,639
We're very pleased
to have you here, Steve.
679
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,959
Thank you.
680
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,439
- You knew Ray Hayward, is that right?
- Er, yes.
681
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,440
Yes, I liked Ray.
682
00:36:54,441 --> 00:36:57,279
I met him many times in meetings.
683
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,548
He always had an interesting take
on things, you know.
684
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Here we are.
685
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,439
Now, when the word went round
that you were available,
686
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,015
our previous Bobby Van manager
has just retired.
687
00:37:11,016 --> 00:37:12,209
Mm-hm.
688
00:37:12,234 --> 00:37:14,807
- You're obviously a bit overqualified...
- What exactly is Bobby Van?
689
00:37:14,808 --> 00:37:16,639
It's a local initiative to get a van out
690
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,439
to burglary and criminal damage victims
691
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,439
to get their windows and doors
and suchlike fixed up.
692
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,439
Mm-hm. Right.
693
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,119
Well, I'll...
694
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,440
I'll leave you to it.
695
00:37:27,748 --> 00:37:29,439
Give you a chance
to get up to speed on everything.
696
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,440
- Thank you.
- OK.
697
00:37:36,019 --> 00:37:40,019
[REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS]
698
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,668
This is about justice for Becky.
699
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,877
And justice for a brave police officer,
700
00:37:46,878 --> 00:37:50,439
whose career has been ruined
just for doing his job.
701
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,439
And over 40,000 people
have signed our petition,
702
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,440
and with the help of our local MP
703
00:37:57,868 --> 00:38:00,479
we are delighted
to be able to deliver our demand
704
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,439
for a change in the law
directly to Mr Cameron.
705
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,148
And this must never be allowed
to happen again.
706
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,799
Will my Right Honourable friend
join our cause for a thorough review
707
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,119
of Code C of
the Police And Criminal Evidence Act
708
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,439
so that terrible situations
like this will not happen again?
709
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,439
I will look very carefully at what
my honourable friend has raised
710
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,799
and the specific case that he mentions,
711
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,439
and look also at this issue
712
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,267
of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act.
713
00:38:29,268 --> 00:38:31,820
It is always important
that all information
714
00:38:31,821 --> 00:38:35,439
that possibly can be put in front of
a court is put in front of the court
715
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,439
so the court can reach the correct, er...
716
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,120
...the correct decision.
717
00:38:42,606 --> 00:38:45,439
I want you to know
that it's OK to feel happy again.
718
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,439
That, if something good happens,
it's OK to smile
719
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,439
or feel good inside.
720
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,960
It's not betraying Sian
to feel like that.
721
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,439
Me and Pete have decided...
722
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,439
...that we make each other happy.
723
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,440
So, we're going to get married.
724
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,359
And I wanted to tell you before
anyone else,
725
00:39:09,384 --> 00:39:11,384
so you can tell me how you feel about it.
726
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,440
If it's what you want.
727
00:39:15,441 --> 00:39:17,868
- Mm.
- I'm happy for you.
728
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,948
Aiden?
729
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,440
I'm glad that you want to marry Pete.
730
00:39:25,072 --> 00:39:27,072
I just want you to be happy, Mum.
731
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,280
[ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSH WHIRS]
732
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,440
[HE TURNS OFF THE TOOTHBRUSH]
733
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,440
[HE SWILLS AND SPITS]
734
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:14,540
I've had enough, Steve.
735
00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:18,748
I can't take any more.
736
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,148
[HE CLEARS HIS THROAT]
737
00:40:25,692 --> 00:40:27,692
- OK, if I retire early...
- Mm-hm.
738
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,440
...my pension will be cut.
739
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,280
- We wouldn't have enough to live on.
- I don't care.
740
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,440
Good to see you.
741
00:40:57,441 --> 00:40:59,440
So, this is where we are. Erm...
742
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,439
Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word
743
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,959
and he referred this to Theresa May,
the Home Secretary.
744
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,229
Excellent.
745
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:09,439
And she referred it to Damian Green,
the Policing Secretary.
746
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,439
And he passed it on to ACPO,
747
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,439
the Association of Chief Police Officers.
748
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,439
- Right.
- And they asked for comments
749
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,439
from the relevant police service,
Wiltshire.
750
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,439
Then they went back to Damian Green
with their recommendation
751
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,948
for no action required.
752
00:41:25,206 --> 00:41:27,206
They advise that Section 11 of PACE
753
00:41:27,231 --> 00:41:30,231
is only applicable to a threat
to life and the recovery of evidence
754
00:41:30,256 --> 00:41:32,256
and, therefore,
didn't apply in this case.
755
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,848
But that's exactly what Steve was doing.
756
00:41:35,873 --> 00:41:38,873
He was trying to save Sian
and recover Becky's body. So...
757
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,708
I'm very sorry.
758
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,440
The pond itself.
759
00:41:43,441 --> 00:41:46,439
And as you can see, we've pulled out
a lot of pieces of clothing.
760
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,439
- That's quite a lot there.
- It is.
761
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,440
What are we up to now?
762
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,279
About 20 items so far.
But I expect that to go up.
763
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,279
We're going to have another scan
of the pond
764
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,439
and see if we can pull anything else out.
765
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,887
We might have missed one or two things.
766
00:41:58,912 --> 00:41:59,946
Sir!
767
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,788
Yeah.
768
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,588
OK. Excellent.
769
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,320
I think that might be Sian's boot.
770
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,828
It was nice of you to come round.
771
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,799
I always felt that,
with everything that happened,
772
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,439
I never really got the chance
to tell you how sorry I was
773
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,440
about what happened to Ray.
774
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,332
Well, it's not been easy for me,
775
00:42:42,357 --> 00:42:46,282
knowing that he was so desperate
and that we couldn't help him.
776
00:42:46,283 --> 00:42:47,440
Thanks.
777
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,440
Look, I can't speak about
the allegations against him, but...
778
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,440
...from my point of view,
he was a good friend.
779
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,440
Yeah. There was a lot I wanted
to say about how he was treated.
780
00:43:05,753 --> 00:43:07,753
It's not worth it, Steve.
781
00:43:08,306 --> 00:43:11,306
I know what's been happening
with you, and it's not worth it.
782
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,440
The job meant everything to Ray,
too. But...
783
00:43:17,028 --> 00:43:19,440
...it wasn't more important
than his children...
784
00:43:19,828 --> 00:43:21,440
...than his life.
785
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,440
[PHONE RINGS]
786
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,108
Debs?
787
00:44:15,133 --> 00:44:17,133
Are you watching the local news?
788
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,708
I think the timing's
a bit too convenient.
789
00:44:23,153 --> 00:44:24,673
Where was it?
790
00:44:24,698 --> 00:44:27,338
They're carrying out a dig
at a spot in Ramsbury.
791
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,439
I think this has come
from some information
792
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,439
passed on by Halliwell's
probation officer.
793
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,439
...the boot in the water
which we have recovered.
794
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,928
So, you were walking
along the lane and...?
795
00:44:36,929 --> 00:44:40,439
Scoping the ponds as to which I thought
796
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,439
would be most likely to deposit property.
797
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,948
Why now?
798
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,799
They've done nothing over the
last 18 months and then suddenly,
799
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,439
"Look what a great job we're doing."
800
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,916
I reckon they're worried about backlash
801
00:44:50,917 --> 00:44:52,480
over the way you've been treated.
802
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,799
He says that numerous items
have been recovered.
803
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,439
Mm. One of 60, I heard.
804
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,479
60?
805
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,440
This could be what
you've been waiting for, Steve.
806
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,799
Yeah, I know.
807
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,439
Bollocks.
808
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,439
- What?
- I handed in my resignation.
809
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,788
I'm no longer a police officer.
63316
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