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Dad?
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Are you up here?
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Dadda, can you help me draw Mummy
on this piece of paper?
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Alex, look at me.
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When you saw the bad man,
was he in front of you like I am?
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Or was he on this side,
or was he on that side?
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-He was in front of me.
-He was right in front of you?
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Did Mummy see him?
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I don't think she did.
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No? Did you see him first?
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Yeah, I saw him first.
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Did he have a bag?
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Yeah.
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And did he open it,
or was it already open?
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He opened it.
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And what did he get out?
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A knife.
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-What did he do to you?
-Knocked me over!
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The bad man was
sticking his things in her.
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What was he sticking in her?
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A knife. There's his knife.
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Did you see it?
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Yeah, I saw the knife.
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Did you see all the times?
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I saw it… Yeah, I saw it all.
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Will you show Jean your dinosaur book?
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Look, my dinosaur book.
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But I like all of them.
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The dinosaur was that big one.
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There was this huge dinosaur
on the ground.
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The three little ones were eating it,
weren't they?
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They were covered in blood, weren't they?
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Alex had blood on him, didn't you?
You had blood on you.
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All your clothes were
covered in blood, weren't they?
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When you were with Mummy that day.
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I think you know now
that terrible things suddenly happen.
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I think you're very frightened.
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So when you saw the man standing there,
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was he looking at you,
or was he looking at Mummy?
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Mummy.
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-So he didn't say anything to you?
-No.
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He didn't shout at you?
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-Did he shout at you or not, Alex?
-No.
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-Alex, did he hit you?
-No.
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-With his hand?
-No.
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Well, I can't tell you that bit.
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No, it's really painful
to remember it, isn't it?
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-I can't tell you that bit.
-No?
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You know when Mummy was lying
on the ground and the man had gone?
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-Did you say anything to her?
-No.
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-Did you talk to her at all?
-No.
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Were you scared?
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Mmm.
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-Did you think she was asleep?
-Mmm.
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Did you want her to wake up?
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Mmm.
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Did she wake up?
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No.
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Alex, the man who hurt your mummy,
what type of trousers did he have?
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-Um, this one.
-That one?
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-What color were they?
-Blue.
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What color were his shoes?
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That color.
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I can't remember that bit.
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Don't keep asking me
these questions, Daddy.
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I'm fed up.
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Talk another time about the rest, huh?
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No, I would be still fed up.
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Alex?
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The man who killed Mummy, where was he?
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Was it here?
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When did he start talking to Mummy?
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Do you remember?
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You said to me once
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that he was talking to Mummy
before he killed Mummy.
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Do you remember
where he was talking to Mummy?
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Down by the pond?
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This is fucking stupid.
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Dadda, can you help me draw Mummy
on this piece of paper?
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Did Mummy see him?
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I don't think she did.
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No? Did you see him first?
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Yeah, I saw him first.
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Did he have a bag?
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Yeah.
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And did he open it,
or was it already open?
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He opened it.
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And what did he get out?
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A knife.
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There's Mummy. There's the bad man.
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Where's the knife?
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-What did he do to you?
-Knocked me over!
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The bad man
was sticking his things in her.
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-What was he sticking in her?
-A knife. There's his knife.
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Did you see it?
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Yeah, I saw the knife.
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Did you see all the times?
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I saw it… Yeah, I saw it all.
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-Did you see everything pretty much?
-Yeah, I saw everything.
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Did you look the other way?
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Yeah, I looked that way.
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I looked that way
to see if anything else was happening.
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Was it really horrible?
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Yes, it was really horrible.
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We have to look at the fantasies
as they've progressed
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as you've written to Lizzie James.
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The increasing deviance,
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the increasing domination,
the increasing violence.
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The need to humiliate and dominate.
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I think what happened is
you walked off down the windmill path,
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and you sat down
on a little patch of grass.
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I think you actually described it
in one of your letters to Lizzie James.
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The fact that you see
this gorgeous blonde woman
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approaching from a distance.
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-Is that what happened to Rachel?
-No comment.
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You looked down
from your vantage point and spied her.
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And you rushed down, and you ambushed her.
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And you pushed the little boy face down.
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Pushed the little boy
face down into the mud.
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-No comment.
-And you stabbed Rachel 49 times.
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No comment.
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On 15th July 1992, on Wimbledon Common,
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you murdered Rachel Nickell,
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causing her death by multiple stab wounds.
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No comment.
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