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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,560 Oi, oi. 2 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,200 >> Yes, I watched you climb up. I've seen 3 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,040 you come alive. 4 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,800 From them very humble beginnings in 5 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,800 NW5. 6 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,120 We all lived with my granddad at Danny's 7 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,040 house. 8 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,480 Cuz my mom hadn't got a council flat. 9 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,160 And from there 10 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,360 we moved we got our first council flat 11 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,040 at Holly Lodge, Langbourne Mansions. 12 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,720 Other than my dad going in and out of 13 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,040 prison 14 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,640 family life was fantastic. 15 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:51,600 You know, my our mother gave us 16 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,640 everything. I mean 17 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,240 we lived in Langbourne Mansions with 18 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,040 chandeliers, 19 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,080 fantastic beautiful carpet. She would do 20 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,400 the house out and then we'd have beans 21 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,440 on toast for dinner. You know what I 22 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,200 mean? Like 23 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,800 Anyway, nobody really liked Lee for some 24 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,360 reason or other and and we were not 25 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,200 allowed to play with him and he wasn't 26 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,840 allowed to come round. Lee would come to 27 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,160 the end of my road and whistle really 28 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,239 loud, you know, and I'd look out and 29 00:03:17,239 --> 00:03:18,840 you'd see him by the standing in the 30 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,600 lamppost. Then you'd hear him whistling 31 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,280 and then I'd be going out, "Mom, see you 32 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,880 later." "Oh, I won't be with that Lee 33 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,959 Thompson." Don't worry about that. So, 34 00:03:25,959 --> 00:03:27,519 he wasn't allowed in anybody's house and 35 00:03:27,519 --> 00:03:30,120 the only explanation given was he looks 36 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,040 a bit dodgy, our parents would all say. 37 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,280 So, I don't know what he looked like. I 38 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,160 mean, we all quite liked him, I suppose. 39 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,080 Maybe for that same dodgy look in his 40 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,959 eye, I don't know. We would jump on 41 00:03:39,959 --> 00:03:41,239 goods trains, you know, and imagine that 42 00:03:41,239 --> 00:03:43,239 we were hobos and 43 00:03:43,239 --> 00:03:45,360 but we'd go to sort of Highbury or you 44 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,840 know, and jump off them and then we 45 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,280 found that they had things in them. 46 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,160 Everywhere we went he would suddenly be 47 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,840 nicking something or into something 48 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,200 which was sort of fun. Oh, he was he was 49 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,040 robbing. He was robbing what he could. 50 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,560 I didn't really like 51 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,880 breaking the law and everything. 52 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,360 And uh but when you hang around with 53 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Lee, it was a bit inevitable. He would 54 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,800 always be up to something, yeah. Well, 55 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,840 like the Artful Dodger, you know, he was 56 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,160 quick. 57 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,800 Very quick and couldn't resist any 58 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,600 opportunity to pinch something if it was 59 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,600 available. Regarding the music, we were 60 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,000 all into albums and we all used to go to 61 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,400 the Co-op in Camden Town. 62 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,480 Is they used to have records in the 63 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:26,960 sleeves. In a lot of shops, they would 64 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,600 just have empty sleeves and if you buy a 65 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,280 record, you say, "I want this record." 66 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:31,680 And the guy would go in the back and get 67 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,960 the record out. All the sleeves had 68 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,680 actually records in them. 69 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,040 And you put your jacket over your 70 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,720 shoulder and you look over there and 71 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,720 suddenly the you know, the record's 72 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,560 under your sleeve. 73 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,919 And you walk out the door hoping that 74 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:46,200 nobody's going to grab you. 75 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,800 So, we started getting quite a bit of a 76 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,360 record collection. Yeah, you'd have all 77 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,200 the albums there and you'd have your 78 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,680 record player and you put your record on 79 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,120 and you sit there listening to it. Yeah, 80 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,880 which was very enjoyable. Yeah, I mean, 81 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,320 one time we were coming out of Kentish 82 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,800 Town station. We'd been down the West 83 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,440 End and there was a police car and they 84 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:02,720 all sort of knew Lee and one of them 85 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,919 said, "Oi, you, Thompson, come here." 86 00:05:04,919 --> 00:05:06,440 And we just started running like, you 87 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,040 know, it was like uh 88 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,440 it wasn't even as if we'd done anything 89 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,800 wrong, you know, it's just like, "Woah, 90 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,000 the cops." You got this automatic thing. 91 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,320 And so, we'd be running, they'd be 92 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,200 chasing us, yeah, and sometimes you'd 93 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,120 end up in the police station, yeah. 94 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,720 He had this sort of attitude to other 95 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,200 people's property that it 96 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,640 didn't necessarily you know, it could be 97 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,400 his as well. 98 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,320 It could be shared. 99 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,960 There's nobody that I know that didn't 100 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,400 go out with Lee 101 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,800 not ending up being chased by the old 102 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,400 bill, you know, you just did, you know. 103 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,919 I mean, my poor cousin came down from 104 00:05:42,919 --> 00:05:45,720 Wales. He was probably only about 16. 105 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,240 Uh uh to work for the band. This is 106 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,320 sometime on, you know. 107 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,640 And he said he went in a clothes shop 108 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,000 with Lee, and Lee said, "Just hold this 109 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,160 bag." 110 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,760 Before you knew it, it was stuffed full 111 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,640 of all sorts, and uh and then he went, 112 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,080 "Run." 113 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:24,320 But his old man was a crook, you know, 114 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,080 and um Lee, you know, took up the 115 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,560 mantle. I mean, 116 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,720 in some ways it's kind of sad because 117 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,840 you know, I know from talking to Lee 118 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:33,320 that he was often made to do things, you 119 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,960 know, his dad would push him over walls 120 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,480 and go, "Okay, you know, you're not 121 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,680 getting back until you come back with 122 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,520 something stolen, you know." He was 123 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,520 quite a nice kid, but I wished he wasn't 124 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,440 there most of the time when he was 125 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,160 little. 126 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Because he wasn't a good influence on my 127 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,720 enormous efforts to bring up my children 128 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,680 to be decent, upright, middle-class 129 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,200 English children. 130 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,360 Which wasn't easy at the time. He was 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,000 supposed to call for me one night, and 132 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,000 he didn't. So, I ended up going to the 133 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,880 youth club with my mates, and then I saw 134 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,880 him in the back of a black Mariah going 135 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,720 up Kentish Town Road. All right? 136 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,960 Looking out the window. 137 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,720 I think when I met him it was at the 138 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,640 tail end 139 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,360 of him, you know, getting in a lot of 140 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,919 trouble. 141 00:07:30,919 --> 00:07:33,520 When he was little, he worried me sick 142 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,880 because he did get them into trouble. 143 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,800 And, you know, once you're in trouble 144 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,600 with the police, all sorts of things can 145 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,240 happen, whatever you've been really 146 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,960 doing, as I said to Mike several times, 147 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,680 it's not a good idea to get on the wrong 148 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,360 side of the police 149 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,840 because they're not always strictly 150 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,040 honest themselves. 151 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,400 But we used to have a lot of fun as 152 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,040 well. We did a fair bit of that spray 153 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,680 painting, yeah. 154 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,520 I suppose it's like those dogs, isn't 155 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,080 it? Who like to go and pee around in 156 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,160 their territory. 157 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,600 Something like that. Oh, the graffiti, 158 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,160 he would It was always kicks. 159 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,880 Kicks. Kicks everywhere, you know. 160 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,560 Because he was into kicks, you know, he 161 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,000 was into 162 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,560 adrenaline rush, I suppose. 163 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,440 Um and he liked to be sort of naughty 164 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,440 and daring. Spray your name on the top 165 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,919 of the railway when everyone would be 166 00:08:23,919 --> 00:08:26,000 out there, "How did they get up there?" 167 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,240 That film, you know, Rebel Without a 168 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,760 Cause, James Dean and all that. And 169 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,200 that's kind of what it was, you know, we 170 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,440 were just rebels without a brain. He was 171 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,479 concerned about his clothes. 172 00:08:35,479 --> 00:08:37,919 But he wore his loans, 173 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:39,320 you know. 174 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,919 And I remember things like those, you 175 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,880 know, straight back trousers. 176 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,080 And I was thinking, these are just 177 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,640 They're just so cool. And Lee used to 178 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,160 sort of put stuff on. He just used to 179 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,440 look really good. Somehow or other, 180 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,640 about his dimensions or that that sort 181 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,360 of elusive thing called charisma or 182 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,440 something. But his Dr. Martens would 183 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,720 always look great and mine would look 184 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,440 really big and long. No, when I met Lee, 185 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,839 he had a sheepskin coat and 186 00:09:02,839 --> 00:09:03,920 um 187 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,720 cream stay press and Dr. Martens, yeah. 188 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,040 But I don't know where these clothes 189 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,400 magically appeared from, quite honestly, 190 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,520 including Graham's. You know, he'd have 191 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,480 his astronaut DMs on, you know, really 192 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,480 sort of taken in Levi's reds. 193 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,240 And he had a really nice dark brown 194 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,200 sheepskin and he looked really cool. He 195 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,160 used to dye his Dr. Martens different 196 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,960 colors. I think he had blue ones on when 197 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,400 I met him, but um 198 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,160 there was that thing with all them 199 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,560 glamour boys, you know, which is a gang 200 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:33,280 I said from Kentish Town that that that 201 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,600 they all dyed their Dr. Martens. 202 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,960 I said, it was like It was like seeing a 203 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,280 packet of Smarties bouncing down the 204 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,760 street. And Lee, 205 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,240 read us his poem about his first pair of 206 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,080 Dr. Marten boots. 207 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,680 And and that was a, you know, a lovely 208 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:50,440 occasion. There was Lee telling us about 209 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,200 something that was very memorable to him 210 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,280 and had the significance and he 211 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,600 and it was a great poem. I can't 212 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,320 remember the poem, but I just remember 213 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,960 it was a, you know, a lovely meeting. I 214 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:02,080 remember the when he first come to call 215 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,880 for me, he was walking down the stairs 216 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,320 of our flats and I said, "That's him." 217 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,280 And my dad went, 218 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:10,280 "His 219 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,000 his trousers look like they've had an 220 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,280 argument with his boots. His jeans were 221 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,280 up there and his boots were, you know, 222 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,480 there was a gap." I was always struck by 223 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,880 him because he had that mixture 224 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,280 of sort of '60s, 225 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,840 sort of '70s as well and a bit of '50s. 226 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,840 So, he was a real conglomeration of 227 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,760 those of those sort of decades. I don't 228 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,440 know what makes you really fancy someone 229 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,440 cuz I I wouldn't didn't think, "Oh my 230 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,400 god, he's the most handsome boy in the 231 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,360 world." or but I just knew I fancied 232 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,520 him. 233 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,400 And obviously, he fancied me. I was 234 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,920 proud when I saw Lee riding up in bleach 235 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,360 on the back of his Levi's that nutty 236 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:48,800 sound. 237 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,240 >> He just said that nutty sound. It was no 238 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,320 explanation, you know, there was no 239 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:52,960 discussion. He just turned up and there 240 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,400 he was, that nutty sound. 241 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,880 And uh and I really like that. I really 242 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,120 like that sort of term and um 243 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,880 and he had this sort of idea in his head 244 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,280 for a sort of music that some of the 245 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,240 music that we were doing 246 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:06,880 which he was always he was saying that 247 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,600 nutty sound and you know, we used to be 248 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,560 into a little bit sort of circus. We 249 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:11,600 used to go and see Kilburn and the High 250 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,040 Roads a lot as well and they were sort 251 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,920 of quite um 252 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,560 you know, a bit different and quite mad. 253 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:19,839 Lee, Chris, and Mike saw 254 00:11:19,839 --> 00:11:21,960 the Kilburns very early on with Ian Dury 255 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,320 and that really influenced them and they 256 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:25,160 s- 257 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,320 I think that was directly why they 258 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,960 thought they could get a band together. 259 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:32,600 Now, it's a bit of Kim Wilde and Jeff 260 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,080 Beck on the river and up to the park. 261 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,280 >> Cuban and the High Roads was his first 262 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,200 band and they used to play in the Tally 263 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,280 Ho in Kentish Town. 264 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,560 And the famous story of course is Lee 265 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:56,440 bunked in through the gents toilets, 266 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:57,720 which also happened to be their dressing 267 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,040 room, but he got his the turn up of his 268 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,840 jeans caught in the little prongle, you 269 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,000 know, that keeps the window up and he 270 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,280 was hanging upside down when he and Joey 271 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,920 walked in. 272 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,320 And um 273 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,840 and that's how he got to know him, but 274 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,360 um but Lee gave me their first album, 275 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Handsome. 276 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,040 And uh that was a revelation for me. 277 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,080 This is before, you know, New Boots and 278 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,160 Panties and all that. 279 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,720 And it's a great album. And that was 280 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,600 another thing about Lee that he really 281 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:24,840 um 282 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,360 was very very passionate about music, 283 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,120 yeah, and 284 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,360 yeah, he learned to play his sax. He 285 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,600 didn't have lessons. He learned just 286 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:31,800 playing along with other people's 287 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,400 records. Roxy Music for instance, I 288 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,120 know, but um 289 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,320 yeah, he had a great passion for music. 290 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,240 We all did. We all did. Can't even 291 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,080 remember him 292 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,520 expressing that he wanted a saxophone, 293 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,240 but I'm presuming he must have done 294 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,080 otherwise I wouldn't have spent my 295 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,600 week's wages on one, you know. Think 296 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,480 most of his practicing was done in 297 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,720 Luton. 298 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,880 All I can remember is him playing the 299 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,560 saxophone and thinking, you can't play 300 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:03,360 this. My mum used to stuff tea towels 301 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,600 down there if ever he was at my house, 302 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:06,920 you know. 303 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,360 He couldn't play the saxophone to save 304 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,800 his life in the beginning, but he he 305 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,520 learned. I mean, I've got quite a good 306 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,760 ear and in the beginning 307 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,920 he often did play out of key, very much 308 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,040 out of key actually. 309 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,520 But with great bravura, he did it with 310 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,720 such a plum that he got away with it. 311 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,360 He obviously loved music. He kind of 312 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,240 grown up with music around him. Loved 313 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,640 50s rock and roll. Had got into Roxy 314 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,960 Music in the early 70s and loved the 315 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,760 saxophone. And kicks. 316 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,160 Bad kicks. Have you played the saxophone 317 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,200 before? 318 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,680 Uh yeah. I love you. He picked up a 319 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:41,360 second-hand saxophone. He turns up at a 320 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,720 school and the streetwise teacher 321 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,240 realizes that that the saxophone is 322 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,680 obviously stolen or bought or it's a 323 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:50,760 dodgy saxophone because it's got the 324 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,440 serial number scrubbed out. 325 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,840 Show you the finger for that. This is 326 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,720 nice. Yes, nice. Really nice. Mhm. 327 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,400 Oh, hello there. 328 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,800 What seems to have happened here? Number 329 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,840 seems to have been scratched off. 330 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,240 Oh yeah, right. Yeah, when when I bought 331 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,600 it uh 332 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,720 it was already scratched off it. Really? 333 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:09,560 Yeah. Where Where did you get this 334 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:10,400 thing? 335 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,360 Um 336 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,960 Denmark Street. 337 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,160 Down Denmark Street shop down Denmark 338 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,600 Street. Shop shop there. And they sold 339 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,360 you a sax with no number? Yeah, that's 340 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:17,640 right. 341 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,400 >> So obviously, you know, told to to hook 342 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:19,680 it. 343 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,160 >> Unusual. So he had a sax, Chris had a 344 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,760 guitar, 345 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,200 I had a piano. I was teaching them both 346 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,920 and it was very very slow work, you 347 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,000 know, note by note. And especially the 348 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 saxophone because um 349 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,720 at some point Lee discovered that the 350 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,839 notes each note I mean God knows why, 351 00:14:36,839 --> 00:14:39,160 but they uh see in a saxophone is I 352 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,880 think uh 353 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,240 uh E flat in a piano or the other way 354 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,440 around. 355 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,320 Is it? E flat in E flat? Yeah. 356 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,640 Sure. You're free about it, aren't you? 357 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,280 Before social media and all that, you 358 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,040 know, you you literally if you if you 359 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,480 had an album you liked, you'd carry it 360 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,600 about under your arm, you know. 361 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,080 Just to let people know what you were 362 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,240 into. 363 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,360 Because there was no other way of 364 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,120 expressing who you were apart from your 365 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:01,720 clothes. 366 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,160 >> At certain point we got Woody and 367 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Bedders and they were like, you know, 368 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,920 almost like professional session men. 369 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,960 But my first initiation 370 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,920 with him was that we were rehearsing 371 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,880 over in Finchley Road and he had the 372 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,760 yellow GPO van. He drove the yellow one. 373 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,560 Mike drove the white one. 374 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,480 And he he said, "Oh, I'll give you a 375 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,440 lift back uh back into Hampstead and you 376 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,600 can get a train back home 377 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,040 from rehearsals and he took me on a 378 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,120 death-defying, frightening ride 379 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,880 at some I don't know what speed it was 380 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,680 cuz I was actually almost in tears of 381 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,040 sort of fright. 382 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,920 Uh and I think that was my kind of that 383 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,360 was pleased to meet you. You know, I 384 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,640 think he wanted to see the kind of get a 385 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,880 reaction out of me. Both Lee and Mike 386 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,120 had um XGPO Morris Minor vans, you know, 387 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,840 that's how we used to do our work, you 388 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:49,560 know. 389 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:50,920 Cuz we did gardening jobs together as 390 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,120 well and um 391 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,200 you could put all the gear in the back. 392 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,240 And then at night if we were doing a 393 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,920 gig, you'd have to take all the crap out 394 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,960 and put the amps and all that. 395 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:00,840 I mean, the worst bit is when we're 396 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,800 doing the gardening cuz it just stank of 397 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,240 petrol. So, it was 398 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,360 you got the driver, you got the 399 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,040 passenger. That was like you'd have to 400 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,360 spin a coin and everyone else in the 401 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,200 back and you just come out stinking of 402 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,480 petrol which wasn't the most um alluring 403 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,040 thing where girls were concerned. 404 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,640 Lee when I first met him 405 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,680 was a bit scary. 406 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,400 >> you know. We're all We're all in a band 407 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,880 waiting around, all right? And you're 408 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,400 just playing it wrong. 409 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,480 Look, mate, you play the piano, all 410 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,320 right? Why don't you stick to your 411 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,560 piano? All right, I'm only trying my 412 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:30,800 best on here, you know what I mean? 413 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,120 >> I would stick to my piano if you could 414 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,920 play the thing properly. 415 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,680 He's always pulling the reed off 416 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,320 um off the end of his uh sax to get the 417 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,400 right tuning. And Lee would just sort of 418 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,080 flit in and out. He would appear maybe 419 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,040 at a rehearsal occasionally, play a bit, 420 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,320 and then sort of disappear again. 421 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,480 Mike was absolutely determined that they 422 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,560 were going to be a pop group and I said, 423 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:01,880 "Well, does Lee have to be in it?" Cuz 424 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,079 he kept on not turning up for rehearsals 425 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:05,560 and Mike would have been moaning about 426 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:06,720 him in the kitchen and I said, "Well, 427 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,720 why don't you kick him out?" 428 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,600 And he said, "No, no. No, he's very 429 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,280 important. He's got the right image." 430 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,079 I was, you know, well into um 431 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:18,880 my reggae. 432 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,319 And, uh um, 433 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:24,439 then Lee would go to me, "Tracey, what 434 00:17:24,439 --> 00:17:26,959 does this mean?" He would ask me all 435 00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:29,360 sort of certain words. There was a song 436 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:33,080 called welding. It was a bit rude. 437 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,640 And he'd go, "What does it mean, now? 438 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,080 What does it mean, I mean?" 439 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,240 I'd say, "I don't know, what do you want 440 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,200 me to be in the other?" Yeah, I remember 441 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,640 telling Mark about reggae. I don't know 442 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,000 if he'd ever heard of it when we first 443 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,880 started and being a little bit, you 444 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,560 know, Yeah. 445 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,400 dubious about whether, you know, whether 446 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,880 you I mean, those days it was a question 447 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,480 about whether, white men could play 448 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,600 reggae. 449 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,360 I mean, there was a story going around 450 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:55,080 that they couldn't. But reggae was very 451 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,480 rare and, uh, hard to find and and it 452 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,800 was seemed to be something 453 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,520 uh, an agreed thing among music musical 454 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,440 academics that white men couldn't play 455 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,760 it. 456 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,520 I think we all went down to the Roxy one 457 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,560 time, which is where where punk started, 458 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,120 well, well, they say where it started. 459 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,680 I'm thinking about 1976. 460 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,520 And then we weren't overly impressed. 461 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,240 But the funny thing was, um, 462 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,200 Don Letts was the DJ and he was playing 463 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,680 reggae between the punk bands. 464 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:25,880 Because there weren't any punk records 465 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,920 to play. 466 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,240 And we all liked reggae, so that's the 467 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,840 bit we liked. 468 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,080 And it was also that, um, 469 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,440 you know, I'm such a sort of try it 470 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,800 thing, but but but but the punks were 471 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,080 wearing straight trousers, you know, we 472 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,560 were coming out of this dinosaur period 473 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:40,440 of, 474 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,720 you know, 475 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,640 brushed denim flares and all that with 476 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,360 an iron crease. 477 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,520 The way we used to do stuff was we'd go 478 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,240 to rehearsal place. 479 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,600 You know, and I'd like, "Oh, I've got 480 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,000 these chords here, 481 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,480 you know." Cuz I wouldn't have much of 482 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,160 a, you know, they go like this. And we'd 483 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,160 start playing and then, you know, 484 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,600 Bedders would do a bassline and, you 485 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,640 know, and I'd go, "Oh, the drum, you 486 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,160 know." We'd get it going. And then we 487 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,520 would often, you know, get a cassette 488 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,520 machine and record the songs. And then 489 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,480 people like Lee or Suggs would take them 490 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,080 home. 491 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,440 And, you know, come up with lyrics. more 492 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,640 camel. One more camel. 493 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,720 So, we just wrote about what was going 494 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,520 on. I suppose Ian Dury was a big 495 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,200 influence and and Ray Davies certainly, 496 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,000 I think. When you think of sort of the 497 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,160 anti 498 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,760 kind of American rock and roll. That you 499 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,280 can write about having a cup of tea or 500 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,080 your mates or 501 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,280 things that are important to you, you 502 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,800 know. So, we all started writing songs. 503 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,120 So, I started writing songs and I 504 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:51,920 suppose when when somebody starts 505 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,240 writing songs, then everybody else 506 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,720 starts thinking, "Well, I can do it as 507 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,600 well." So, there was an element of that 508 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,040 and before you knew it, we were we were 509 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,960 all sort of writing songs. Razor Blade 510 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,480 Alley is still 511 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,600 um it's early Madness heading towards 512 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,880 where they're going to end up. But, it's 513 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,920 it's a really lovely use of a basic kind 514 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,720 of ska rhythm. 515 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,160 That ta-dum in the guitar where you've 516 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,680 got that 517 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,000 It's a great rhythm. It'll carry right 518 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,560 the way through the whole song. Where 519 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,920 you What you haven't got is the 520 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,840 sophistication of later Madness because 521 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,240 those chords never change. 522 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,200 Rehearsing as a band sort of proper from 523 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,240 late probably late 1978, I'd say. 524 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,560 And 525 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,200 then by '79 526 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,720 from my memory, the specials came onto 527 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,080 the scene. We all went down to see them 528 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,920 and it was a revelation that they were 529 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,520 dressed a bit like us. They played music 530 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,680 a bit like us that we were onto 531 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,160 something. I saw the specials in their 532 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,360 first getting a bit of a name for 533 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:19,800 themselves. 534 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,360 And thinking wow, it really sounded like 535 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:22,880 those old reggae records that we were 536 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,880 trying to do. You know, we were quite 537 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,880 happy in our little bubble. If we you 538 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,440 know, we worked all week and we played a 539 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,080 gig on a Friday night in a pub. That was 540 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,400 fine. You know, and a few birds came 541 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,440 along. 542 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,800 But suddenly we saw this might be 543 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,760 something really happening and 544 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,680 Jerry came to my mom's flat that night 545 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,720 where I was still living and kicked on 546 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,200 the sofa. 547 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,200 And then announced he was going to start 548 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,320 a record label called two-tone. 549 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,840 And that's how the association became 550 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,800 and then we were into 1979. Lo and 551 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,080 behold a few months later he called me 552 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,320 up and said you want to make a record. 553 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,520 You know, so we made the first record 554 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,120 with two-tone. 555 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:55,720 The funny thing was that you know, they 556 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,800 they were only just able to half play a 557 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,160 song 558 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,040 when we suddenly sort of started getting 559 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,920 a bit successful, you know, and we I 560 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,640 mean when we went in the studio we we'd 561 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,240 only barely mastered our instruments. 562 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,520 But he was playing his sax a semi-tone 563 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,840 out. You know, he he he'd never been 564 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,120 taught. 565 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,240 So he was kind of blowing extra hard to 566 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,240 try and get the notes in tune but his 567 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,840 fingering was a semi-tone out. So we I 568 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,560 think we did the first album and he was 569 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,360 playing this kind of 570 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,160 with his mouthpiece about to fall off to 571 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560 try and get the tuning right. 572 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,360 Okay, you ready out there? 573 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,920 I think with all the questions 574 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,480 that he asked me, he put together in his 575 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,440 own little way. 576 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,480 Buster, he sold the heat. 577 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,560 With his rocksteady beat. 578 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,440 And that's why he's a rude boy 579 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,840 but not in Orange Street. 580 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,120 A ghost dances to the parents. You got 581 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,320 to help us with your feet. 582 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,960 >> And we went on the two-tone tour, which 583 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,600 is the most exciting time of my life. 584 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,720 The first thing we did, we got on a 585 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,080 coach at um the Roundhouse in Chalk 586 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,640 Farm. And the first stop was the Watford 587 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,000 service station, which is where all 588 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,960 bands stop. 589 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,520 >> My first meeting with Lee was on the um 590 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:20,880 Was he on the M1 something like about 591 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,240 5:00 5:00 or 6:00 in the morning. It was 592 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,320 chaos. 593 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,640 We're there to do a photo session. 594 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,080 I put all of the both bands together. 595 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,960 That's where I had this big fight 596 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,320 with some skinheads. And there was a 597 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,160 flipping riot at the 598 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,480 Somebody called the old bill. You know, 599 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,360 you're all all the rest of the guys from 600 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,520 from Madness are really funny. 601 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,280 But Lee just stood out as the 602 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,560 He's like the naughty 12-year-old. 603 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,040 You know, black and white kids all 604 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,560 causing trouble. And probably Lee had 605 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,200 nicked something out of the thing. And 606 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,440 that's when 607 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,720 Lee got into slight altercation 608 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,280 with her majesty's finest. 609 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,680 Anyway, Lee 610 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,600 and 611 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,440 Neville and I think Lynval from The 612 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,680 Specials all got nicked. 613 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,160 That's me. I hadn't even got to the 614 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,120 first gig. 615 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,400 I just thought they were 616 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,560 a bit like a circus act. 617 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,080 Very very clownish and very zany, but 618 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,120 very very entertaining, I thought, you 619 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,280 know. 620 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,640 You know, it was a good hobby and they 621 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,200 were off the street and they weren't 622 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,040 getting into trouble. 623 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,800 And then suddenly 624 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,320 somebody phoned up and said they were 625 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,280 from a record company. I thought, "Oh 626 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,040 god, yes, he's one of their friends 627 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520 having a joke with them." 628 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,800 And uh it turned out that it was Stiff 629 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,640 Records. You know, somebody said, "Well, 630 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,320 what what music are we going to do at 631 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,880 the wedding?" So, I thought, 632 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,960 you know, "That's it. See if you can get 633 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,440 Madness for it. I can see them." 634 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,920 And you know, at this point I had heard 635 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,360 a few things that they were really good. 636 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,480 I had heard, for example, that Chrysalis 637 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,000 had seen them 638 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,160 seven or eight times and I thought to 639 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,640 myself, "Well, it takes Chrysalis 11 or 640 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,640 12 times to make any kind of decision." 641 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,200 They opened up 642 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,600 with a try One Step Beyond with that dum 643 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,400 watch flat watch and I thought, "God, 644 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,200 that's good. You know, that's that's the 645 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,680 opening single. That's that's a single 646 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,400 straight away. And it'll make a good 647 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,400 album title." So, I was thinking this 648 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,720 and my wife was kind of nudging me 649 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,240 saying, "Stop thinking about that." 650 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,320 So, they were great. Did a great set and 651 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,040 I thought, "I've got to have them." I 652 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,080 think it was largely down to me and 653 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,920 Tommo dancing out into the crowd and 654 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,960 and, you know, making them watch, making 655 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,400 our Elvis Costello watch and and Jerry 656 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,280 and We liked Stiff Records cuz it had 657 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,080 Ian Dury, Wreckless Eric, Elvis 658 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,040 Costello. Yeah, a lot of bands that we 659 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,320 liked. 660 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,920 And Dave just said, "Look, 661 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,320 just start making records and let's 662 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,400 start putting them out." 663 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,800 >> Okay, I've got the producer you want and 664 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,920 I've booked the studio, so why don't we 665 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,040 get started? And they went, 666 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,800 "Oh, right." 667 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,120 You know, what about that? 668 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:53,760 >> The first single was The Prince, which 669 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,520 is a a homage to Prince Buster. One Step 670 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,320 Beyond was a cover of a Prince Buster 671 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,320 song. So, we didn't want to do it. We 672 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,760 were not a Prince Buster cover band. 673 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,800 They went, "Oh, we're not going to 674 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,360 record that." 675 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,960 And I said, "What? 676 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,760 That's the one. That's the track." And 677 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,840 they went, "Oh, don't, you know, what? 678 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,720 That's not a single. No, you know, we're 679 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,920 not we're not doing it." 680 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,320 But Dave said, "No, but you can't get it 681 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,880 like One Step Beyond, the actual concept 682 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,240 as an album title is going to really do 683 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,320 something." 684 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,160 So, I got them around the table 685 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,160 for about 2 hours till I bored them 686 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,840 brainless about the idea they had to do 687 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:32,800 it. 688 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,160 And about 3 days later, 689 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320 they presented me with a 1-minute, 690 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,720 25-seconds version. So, they only 691 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,320 recorded it 30 seconds of One Step 692 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,080 Beyond and then Dave went in the studio 693 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,880 and repeated it onto a separate piece of 694 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,600 tape while we weren't there. 695 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,680 Stuck it through this thing called a 696 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,680 harmonizer, which just changed the sort 697 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,600 of 698 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,080 sound of it a bit. 699 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,440 And made it into a 3-minute single. We 700 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,200 put it out, and the rest is kind of as 701 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,040 they say history. It was a big 702 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,280 It was a big hit. It was kind of 703 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,800 startling on the great British public. 704 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,520 So, 705 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,320 that that was the odd sex player. It was 706 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,720 great. It was He was great, but very 707 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,120 very low uh attention span. 708 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,760 You know, he he We'd have a 709 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,240 conversation, 710 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,080 he would go out to the loo or something, 711 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,640 and he'd never come back. That used to 712 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,000 happen a lot. Where's Lee? 713 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,280 Attention deficit hyperactivity 714 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,040 disorder, or ADHD, 715 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,120 is a group of behavioral symptoms that 716 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,400 include inattentiveness, hyperactivity, 717 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,520 and impulsiveness. 718 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,320 Common symptoms of ADHD include short 719 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,480 attention span and being easily 720 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,640 distracted. 721 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,600 >> time in Land of Hope and Glory was 722 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,240 myself and Lee. And you can hear this 723 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,360 this lad being yelled at by these 724 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,480 guards, being told go to bed, watching 725 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,200 pants people and having to get off on 726 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,680 the fact that there's a bit of belly to 727 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,640 look at. And that's it. And otherwise, 728 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,800 probably a whole bunch of boys stuck in 729 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,840 a institution 730 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,000 who are massively horny and can't do 731 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,720 anything about it, you know? That all of 732 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,960 that is is there. 733 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,120 >> That nice 734 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,720 chord move. 735 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,240 Again, you can hear the sound of music 736 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,800 hall in there. 737 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,600 I I I wonder if Lee always knew he was 738 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,000 never going to actually put a tune to 739 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,080 those verse sections. 740 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,040 Because it's it makes much more sense 741 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,200 from just to speak the thing straight to 742 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,520 the chorus. And then when you get to the 743 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,840 chorus, 744 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,400 you've got a proper kind of 745 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,000 that feel then is very much more 746 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,520 a a a hooky chorus that would would sort 747 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,120 of go in. 748 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,320 Lee Thompson 749 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,320 started to feature. The first time was 750 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,120 Top of the Pops 751 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,600 for I think One Step Beyond. We used to 752 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,200 do Top of the Pops quite a few times, 753 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,560 and every single time Lee had an idea, 754 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,560 but he'd never tell the director. It'd 755 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,280 always be in here. 756 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,600 When the we did the run through, Lee had 757 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,880 a little toy saxophone and did a kind of 758 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,680 a back somersault at some point and 759 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,000 crashed into a load of kind of bits on 760 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,400 the floor. 761 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,040 And I said, "What What are you doing, 762 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,200 Lee?" 763 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,600 He said, "Well, I've got this I've got 764 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,200 this idea. I've got this I want to do." 765 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,440 I said, "Well, 766 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,400 here's kind of how it works. They don't 767 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,400 know. It's not magic. They don't know 768 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,520 you're going to do it unless you tell 769 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,280 me, and I'll tell them you're going to 770 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:22,920 do it." 771 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,880 >> 99.9% of the time, all these little 772 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,000 funnies that he thought, you know, be 773 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,320 like revealed, "Haha!" 774 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,720 it wouldn't you wouldn't see them 775 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,560 because the camera wouldn't be on him, 776 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,760 of course. So, he never thought about 777 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,200 that one. 778 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,400 Been on the telephone for an hour. 779 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,040 We only said a word. 780 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,640 I tried and tried, but I could not be 781 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,240 heard. So, Lee was on to me about 782 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,600 baggy trousers. He was on to that he 783 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,760 he'd seen somebody do some kind of 784 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,040 trapeze something. He seen He wanted to 785 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,400 look like he was flying. 786 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,800 Baggy trousers? Ha! Baggy trousers? 787 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,120 I found a circus 788 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,440 guy. 789 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,400 And he said, "Oh, yeah, you can do you 790 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,240 can do that and you have these wires. 791 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,720 Don't you see them or whatever?" And how 792 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120 do you How can you spin? He said, "Oh, 793 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,800 you spin between the wires. You the 794 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,920 harness goes around and around blah 795 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120 blah." I said, "Fine, okay." 796 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,080 Then I realized when I saw the crane 797 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,320 that that you were going to go up in the 798 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,400 air and I thought, "Hmm, well, you know, 799 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,280 let's let's make sure the strapping is 800 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,680 tight." 801 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,880 You know, and Lee didn't even tell the 802 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,720 band. Lee used to keep everything secret 803 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,080 from everybody. So, when the crane 804 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,880 arrived, the group didn't know that Lee 805 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,680 was going to slap on this thing and do 806 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240 the thing. 807 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,280 I just think it's the loveliest 808 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,360 loveliest face of Suggs when he's doing 809 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,040 it. And Suggs goes 810 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,680 and then you see that a genuine like 811 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,280 real smile on Suggs' face. You could see 812 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,000 me going like, "I hope it doesn't fall 813 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,280 on my head." So, Lee kind of sails past 814 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,280 Suggs' nose kind of thing into the 815 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,919 rafters. 816 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,120 And I'm shouting in the background at 817 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,000 the crane, "Get him up! Get him up!" 818 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:33,200 So, he goes off and then and he had 819 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,919 never tried it out. So, so keeping his 820 00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:38,360 equilibrium and having his sax in his 821 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,399 hand and being I mean, it was you know, 822 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:41,720 it was quite something else. You know, I 823 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:43,919 mean, health and safety, leave it out. 824 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:47,040 People who interviewed me later on said, 825 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,919 "Where was the net?" 826 00:34:48,919 --> 00:34:51,639 And I said, "Net?" 827 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,320 Who else would have been prepared to be 828 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,440 unhooked by their belt and swung about 829 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,080 30 ft in the air? 830 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,400 I mean, one of the things about Madness, 831 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,400 which is fascinating, is that they had 832 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,560 what, four, five, six writers? I mean, 833 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680 that has to be unique in history of pop 834 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,480 music. I always get the hump with him 835 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,880 because he writes everything on bits of 836 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,480 paper. 837 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,800 >> Scraps of paper here, scraps of paper 838 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,160 there. 839 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,200 >> Obviously, they all get, "Where's that 840 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,040 bit of paper?" I'm like, "Why don't you 841 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,840 just get yourself a book?" An 842 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,680 embarrassment, um it was really dodgyly 843 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,240 written out, and and it was like a bit 844 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,640 of paper you could have easily lost. I 845 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,120 have a feeling if I'd lost that bit of 846 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,560 paper, that song would have never got 847 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,280 written, you know? 848 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,160 But here's a song that's very personal 849 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,760 to Lee about his sister and this this 850 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,480 issue of interracial marriage, which at 851 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,840 that time 852 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,040 was a still a taboo in a lot of people's 853 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,160 minds. 854 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,680 Yeah, especially if you're going 855 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,160 if you've got a racist friend, don't 856 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,600 talk to them and all that. It was just, 857 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,240 you know, great. Of course not. But 858 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,560 unfortunately, we're dealing with the 859 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,000 world we're in. 860 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,720 You know, some of our relations are 861 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,160 racist, and we've got to deal with that 862 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,000 right now, you know, not 863 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,160 what, I'm not going to speak to my mom 864 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,600 and dad cuz they said something about 865 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,680 I've got a No, that was my mom. Oh, my 866 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,760 mom was like 867 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,840 Mrs. Bouquet, Mrs. Bucket, right? 868 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,000 She was like that. She Everything she 869 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,840 She worried, worried. She was worrying, 870 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,440 what the neighbors going to think. She 871 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,160 was worrying what the family's going to 872 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,560 think. 873 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,520 Great chords. That's a lovely 874 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,240 progression. 875 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,360 Which is the one you started the whole 876 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,960 song with. 877 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,560 But then what Lee does, particularly 878 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,480 with the sax, and this is where I think 879 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,160 he's really interesting as a performer, 880 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,720 as well. 881 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,320 He does what Nelson Riddle does with 882 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,200 Frank Sinatra. 883 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,400 That has a real kind of 884 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,080 an anger to it as well as a very, very 885 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,840 funky feel with the ska backing. 886 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,200 She was worrying about how black the 887 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,880 baby was going to be. You know, like, 888 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,960 you know, well, like, her first curl 889 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,520 that come through, she cut it off. 890 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,400 It was beautifully written. I mean, it 891 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,600 was it was very descript 892 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,280 and not judgemental about anyone. 893 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,160 So if you have a light kind of beaty 894 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,080 song, you could be saying anything that 895 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,360 the people didn't kind of spot it. And 896 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,520 so that was kind of fascinating. So they 897 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,080 addressed uh things that other people 898 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,840 hadn't. 899 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,840 I mean the house of fun thing. 900 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,640 He said he he saw this film called 901 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,160 Summer of '42 and the guy goes and tries 902 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,560 to buy some condoms. You know, he goes, 903 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,040 "A packet of gum, 904 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,200 a packet of you know." 905 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,640 So I mean it was called the chemist 906 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,040 facade 907 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,440 before and it was an album track. 908 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,960 Dave Robinson said, "If we had a chorus 909 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,720 on that, it would be a hit." 910 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,680 And it was quite nice cuz we put down a 911 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,040 piano for the melody. 912 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,000 Um which we kept in the final mix. So, 913 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,400 it had a kind of ABBA effect. I think, 914 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,160 you know, ABBA would always do the 915 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,080 melody on the piano and sing it and it's 916 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,240 quite a pop thing. So, it's a welcome to 917 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:31,200 the house of jumped out. You know, you 918 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,600 take the piano out playing the melody, 919 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,400 it's a bit flat. 920 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,560 Brilliant ska. That's I yeah, that 921 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,760 that sort of feel that but then to put 922 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,800 over it that lovely little bit of sax. 923 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,160 Very two-tone as far as I feel anyway. 924 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,480 But two-tone but with a bit more 925 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,520 sophistication to it. 926 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,400 And all of those key changes 927 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,360 All of those moves down are just not 928 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,920 ska, I don't think. I don't think 929 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,920 they're they're they're they're more 930 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,440 complicated than that, more complex, bit 931 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,080 more sophisticated. 932 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:09,720 Um 933 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,120 and that lovely piano that you've got in 934 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,000 there which is doing you because it's 935 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,280 doing 936 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,440 That's actually doing kind of minor key 937 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,080 major key. 938 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,080 It's that. 939 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,320 But it sounds both 940 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,600 like a fairground and like a circus and 941 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,920 a bit of a kind of I mean, it's the 942 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,120 house of fun. 943 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,840 And their ability to come up with kind 944 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,760 of ideas like the the bit in House of 945 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,040 Fun where 946 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,240 one guy turns, the other guy ducks down, 947 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,680 then he turns back and the other guy 948 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,600 ducks up. I mean, 949 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,120 all that stuff, you know, I I saw it as 950 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,760 just a brass section and then you've got 951 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,240 a camera rolling and suddenly they're 952 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:51,760 doing this thing. You think, oh good, 953 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,560 this is good. 954 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,640 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 955 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,480 no, no. 956 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,560 You misunderstood. 957 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,640 16 big boys in my 958 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,400 in my manhood. 959 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,360 I met two dates on a date, two dates I 960 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,880 think you serve on your my way. Welcome 961 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,680 to the house of fun. Now I've come my 962 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,360 way. Welcome to the lion's den. 963 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,920 Temptation 964 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,560 >> Leo was right, with fantastic innuendo. 965 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,560 Every There's always something in there, 966 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,840 sexual, I would say. 967 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,160 >> Just kind of query clever lyrics, 968 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,040 um, talking about the the problems and 969 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,520 pressures and, you know, foibles of 970 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,360 growing up as a teenage boy and and 971 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,320 confronting sex and the realities of 972 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,400 sex. 973 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,120 And on the one it's fun, on the other 974 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,400 it's scary. 975 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,000 Great, huh? 976 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,120 We were 18 years old or something when 977 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,760 when we started and we went straight 978 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,000 into being successful, more or less. In 979 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,440 all bands' careers where you it all gets 980 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,520 a bit tired and you take yourself far 981 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,200 too seriously 982 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,920 and there's a lot of pressure on you. 983 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,800 And great as it is, it's only one aspect 984 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,800 of of being a human being. 985 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,600 >> Been a long 986 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,360 road, you know, a lot of fun, but a lot 987 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,360 of work and a lot of not being at home, 988 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,000 you know, a lot of us had young children 989 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,640 and um 990 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,560 you know, a bit of a break seemed 991 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,560 like not a bad idea. We should have just 992 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,560 stopped. Just stopped for a couple of 993 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040 years. 994 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,040 Good night. 995 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,240 You know, they were so busy 996 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,400 all the time. If they weren't doing a 997 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,800 gig, they were rehearsing. If they 998 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,920 weren't rehearsing, they were doing a 999 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,240 record. If they weren't doing a record, 1000 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,640 they were being photographed for a 1001 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,880 video. 1002 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,160 I mean, just to sum it up roughly, you 1003 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,360 could say is, you know, it all just got 1004 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,720 a bit much and you needed a break, 1005 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:51,600 really. I mean 1006 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,040 Uh and so so I thought I needed a break, 1007 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,440 yeah. I had a bit of a too long break, I 1008 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,880 think. 1009 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,560 Suddenly we were at a big record label 1010 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,040 Virgin and as nice as they were, we lost 1011 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,640 something of our way, I think, at that 1012 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:11,160 point. 1013 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,240 >> guess what you do see is Lee maturing as 1014 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,200 a songwriter, writing about serious 1015 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,720 topics. He certainly became a lot a lot 1016 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,280 more interested in subjects like animal 1017 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,680 rights, 1018 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,520 um 1019 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,800 you know, 1020 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,640 I mean, at one point 1021 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,640 did he join the Hare Krishnas? 1022 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,080 I know he started a bicycle shop. 1023 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,440 Then I remember he applied for a job in 1024 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,840 a Chinese restaurant. He put on a 1025 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,040 Chinese accent, which 1026 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,360 you know, all the bizarre things Lee's 1027 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,120 done. 1028 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,400 I don't know quite what that was about. 1029 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,920 Um 1030 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,320 then he was working as a bin man for a 1031 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,240 bit. Then he was putting up It was 1032 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,560 flyposting, I seem to recall. You know, 1033 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,360 madness blew up, and then there was four 1034 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,320 of us, and then that sort of 1035 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,320 wound up nowhere. So Lee and I started 1036 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,960 writing songs. 1037 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,400 But some of his lyrics I thought, 1038 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,880 "Bloody hell, where's that coming from?" 1039 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,880 You know, I was quite, uh 1040 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,720 you know, it's like, "Bloody hell, 1041 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:11,840 what's you know, what's going on in 1042 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,040 there?" You know. 1043 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,880 It's just like the stress of being a 1044 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,720 policeman, I think. I think you might 1045 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:19,120 have to ask Lee. 1046 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,760 There's so many elements going on in 1047 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,200 It's okay, I'm a policeman. 1048 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,320 You can tell, for a start, the whole 1049 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,960 kind of anarchy is like a theatrical 1050 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,680 anarchy, and the theatreness of the 1051 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,120 piece. 1052 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,360 And what I think he's gone back to with 1053 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,400 Crunch is both the kind of raw sense of 1054 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,520 madness. Although you've got a really, 1055 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,360 really good 1056 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,000 rhythmic kind of driver behind this 1057 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,160 number. 1058 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,760 And I love the fact, again, 1059 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,720 the the way that the sax is being used 1060 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,960 is 1061 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,640 I think you're going to be sick of it. 1062 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,000 I'm living it, eating it, breathing it, 1063 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,480 got to get out of it. 1064 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,400 Got to get the bits of it to cope with 1065 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,160 the scrutiny. 1066 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,920 Whoever stacked it 1067 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,560 >> Then what he's doing over the top of 1068 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,120 that 1069 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,520 is building up all these different 1070 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,320 references of villains who are kind of 1071 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,160 also admirable villains who are also us. 1072 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,200 And it's basically a broken guy in the 1073 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,280 middle of it all. It's a town of 1074 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,000 policeman. It's a town of weather man. 1075 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,520 He's also, you know, he's Elvis. He's 1076 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,680 Jimmy Cagney. He's all these different 1077 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,480 things. And at the end of the day, if 1078 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,160 you see the video, 1079 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,640 he's also he's living on the streets. 1080 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,480 He's the bloke who yells at you as you 1081 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,520 go past. He's that little thorn in your 1082 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,280 side. 1083 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,560 And that weird thing of being covered in 1084 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,960 flour and which he still does to this 1085 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,720 day sometimes. 1086 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,640 With the 1087 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,280 crunch stuff, 1088 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,720 I feel like that ain't his voice. It's 1089 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,760 like he's putting on a voice. 1090 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,760 It's very nearly German 1091 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,360 cabaret. 1092 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,800 IT WAS A BIT LIKE THE BLUES BROTHERS. IT 1093 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,280 WAS A mission from God. I thought this 1094 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,400 is it. You know, this is this is a 1095 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,960 chance to get the band back. Get the 1096 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,880 band back together, man. I think there 1097 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,600 was a big huge sigh of relief when 1098 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,120 everybody got back together again. 1099 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,640 Cuz I felt it was it was rather like a 1100 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,880 family that had kind of had a squabble 1101 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,000 and split up, you know, and just got 1102 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,640 back together again. It took about a 1103 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,240 year and a half, 2 years. Lots of 1104 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,560 meetings. Well, I started working with 1105 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,440 Madness in 1992. 1106 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,760 Um which is when they sort of came back 1107 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,040 from 1108 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,280 wherever it was they went. 1109 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,760 I mean, I remember the first gig in 1110 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,680 Finsbury Park, which was wonderful, 1111 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,240 actually. 1112 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,360 We said, "What should we put in the 1113 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,360 set?" And then we said, "Well, let's 1114 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,160 have a look at all the singles." And 1115 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,080 there were like over 20 of them. So, 1116 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,040 that's a set in itself. 1117 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,000 And then um we went, "Well, I enjoy 1118 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,440 playing, you know, Race of the Blade 1119 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,600 Alley, you know, Lee Thompson, that was 1120 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,160 always a corker. 1121 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,600 Land of Hope and Glory, that's always a 1122 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,840 laugh." That Finsbury Park gig was 1123 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,120 brilliant. You had a whole horde of 1124 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,920 people jumping at the same time. And it 1125 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,400 was very interesting to really feel the 1126 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,920 earth shake. You could It was like an 1127 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,040 earthquake for me. 1128 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,200 You know, when you stand on the side of 1129 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,840 the stage and you you watch madness. 1130 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,720 It's like watching sort of six or seven 1131 00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,720 different sort of 1132 00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,680 TV shows going at the same time. They're 1133 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,400 each one is their own little character, 1134 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,240 really. So. 1135 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,320 Yeah, it was 1136 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,880 uh unbelievable event. There was even an 1137 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,280 earthquake. I don't know if you know at 1138 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,640 that gig. It was in the front um 1139 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,480 on the front page of the Independent on 1140 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,640 the Monday. Um there was a headline 1141 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,920 there that said north um earthquake in 1142 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,960 north London, not many deaf. Lots of 1143 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,960 friends and family crying. We had a 1144 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,960 backstage I mean I organized a backstage 1145 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,160 area for for disabled and a crash for 1146 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,680 our kids and it was done with love, you 1147 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,800 know. 1148 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,840 He's got a big extended family, I seem 1149 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,080 to remember from gigs. That used to 1150 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,000 irritate me a bit, actually. 1151 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,240 Used to be 1152 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,160 members of Lee's family all over the 1153 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,720 place in the best seats. 1154 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,680 I had an awareness from the onset that 1155 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,680 uh you know, Lee needed um 1156 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,040 you know, extra care when it came to 1157 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,040 money. 1158 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,880 And that um you know, we had to make 1159 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,040 sure that we allocated what was profit 1160 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,800 and what was tax and the clear 1161 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,520 distinction was made between the two. 1162 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,640 Lee and all the sort of band meetings 1163 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,280 that I've had has never been the most 1164 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,440 focused band member on kind of legal and 1165 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,040 contractual issues. You know, he just 1166 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,680 didn't seem to be that interested in in 1167 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,080 in them. 1168 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,440 You know, he wasn't one for for dotting 1169 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,320 the eyes and crossing the tees. 1170 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,240 I think the longest conversation I've 1171 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,760 had with Lee was when we bumped into 1172 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,200 each other at the reopening of the 1173 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,760 Southampton Arms in Kentish Town and um 1174 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,840 he embraced me, which was the warm 1175 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,960 person he is. And uh 1176 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,640 and we sat down and had quite a long 1177 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,800 conversation. We talked a lot about 1178 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,840 beer. 1179 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,720 Um and that was partly because I was 1180 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:58,160 then working on Madness's beer contract. 1181 00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,040 And really that's the longest 1182 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,000 conversation I've had with Lee. 1183 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,640 Um so it had really nothing to do with 1184 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,080 Madness's business or legal issues. Um 1185 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,160 and uh and I look back on it with 1186 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,400 fondness. He has certainly matured in a 1187 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,320 lot of different ways. 1188 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,040 Like a good wine or something like that. 1189 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,840 I possibly but although he might be 1190 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,200 slightly corked, I think. I think it 1191 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,920 would be fair to say that half the band 1192 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,840 were very skeptical 1193 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,920 about working with me because I think I 1194 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,400 upset a lot of them by telling them they 1195 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,280 were too fat. 1196 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,560 Lee Thompson is the third frontman 1197 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,680 of the great British pop group Madness. 1198 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,200 And also what's great about them 1199 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,800 is 1200 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,480 they've got four frontmen. 1201 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,080 I mean Suggs obviously lead singer but 1202 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,440 Lee is very much a frontman. 1203 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,240 Kind of a court jester as well but he 1204 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,520 can sing, he writes. They're they're 1205 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,120 lovely. 1206 00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,880 They're special. 1207 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,640 Lovestruck is just a wonderful song. I 1208 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,200 think for Madness it's just one of the 1209 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,640 best starts 1210 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,120 to any of the songs, I think. 1211 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,480 Staggering home, 1212 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,760 the headlights throw a shadow up and 1213 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,280 upon Staggering home, the headlights 1214 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,600 throw a shadow up and upon 1215 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,440 friends and loved ones that have done no 1216 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,880 wrong but no longer mean anything to me. 1217 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,200 Staggering home, 1218 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,560 the headlights throw a shadow up and 1219 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,080 upon 1220 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,600 friends and loved ones that have done no 1221 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,880 wrong 1222 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,120 but no longer mean anything to me. 1223 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,800 That confusion of being drunk and 1224 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,360 staggering around but also that thing a 1225 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,840 bit of hopelessness and a bit of like 1226 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,960 and also a bit of bravado where you're 1227 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,360 thinking nah no one it doesn't I'm just 1228 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,720 you know no one means anything to me 1229 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,680 anymore I just don't you know I'm just 1230 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,480 going to do what I want to do. He can 1231 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,720 make poetry out of the fact that he 1232 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:59,080 knows he's so smashed he can't get home. 1233 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,480 And that there's there's more to it than 1234 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,480 that you know he's obviously deeply 1235 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,280 deeply miserable and he's drinking like 1236 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,200 like mad to deal with it. 1237 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,160 I don't know the ins and outs of 1238 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,120 everything Lee does but 1239 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,680 who would want to? 1240 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:19,920 But um 1241 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,480 I do know that he can go off beam you 1242 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,760 know that you often even when we were 1243 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,040 kids you know we'd all be together and 1244 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,720 you go where's Lee and he just disappear 1245 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,720 you know and he just go off into Tomo 1246 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,200 land. 1247 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,920 And I think that song's about that yeah. 1248 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,600 That's that sort of feels very Lee. 1249 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,000 It's it's when it goes into that 1250 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,200 That is it's it reminds me a bit of the 1251 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,680 Beatles. 1252 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,880 Musically he's not on his own. 1253 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,040 Musically melodically he's got other 1254 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,960 voices there with him at the same time 1255 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,480 and when the whole band come in for the 1256 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,560 chorus it's like they've all been there. 1257 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:39,720 They all know what it's like. They're 1258 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,720 all 100% behind Lee. Yes, of course we 1259 00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,400 all know what it's like hanging on to a 1260 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,280 bloody lamp post cuz we're so drunk. 1261 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,200 That's 1262 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,400 That's what I mean. I think about the 1263 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,960 team thing. It starts from a single 1264 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,960 idea, but you really get this sense that 1265 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,440 it's flowering out so that everybody's 1266 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,280 part of that idea. 1267 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,640 We were in 1268 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,640 in uh in my boat in Amsterdam at that 1269 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,880 time. I was living on a boat, a little 1270 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,560 studio in the back of the boat. 1271 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,320 And uh we were trying to do some songs. 1272 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,440 He came over for a week or something. Um 1273 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,880 Um and uh Drip Fed Fred, I mean Drip Fed 1274 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,520 Fred, you know, we had this little tune. 1275 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,240 And I went to have dinner and I said uh 1276 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:23,480 I'll put it on, you know, you listen to 1277 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,280 it on the headphones 1278 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,760 and see what you come up with sort of 1279 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,760 thing, you know, I said I'm going to 1280 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,720 have me dinner with the wife and the 1281 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:31,360 kids and I'll come back in and see what 1282 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,480 you've done in a minute. 1283 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,480 Gentlemen of our session and ladies of 1284 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,720 the night, I call upon you this evening 1285 00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,080 in the hope of shedding some light. I 1286 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,520 can't go into detail or finger unfounded 1287 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,000 fools, but there are some here amongst 1288 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,320 us that are not playing to the rules. He 1289 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,400 came back after me dinner. Right then 1290 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,720 and and it was all there, you know, and 1291 00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:56,000 all these different parts breaking down, 1292 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,240 choir here, you know, this happening, 1293 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,440 that happening. And and such a sort of 1294 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,560 uh variety and and uh and a humor to it, 1295 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,960 yeah. You know, really really brilliant. 1296 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,040 >> um Drip Fed Fred, Lee always had Ian 1297 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,840 during mind. 1298 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,560 It's a lyric that that throws you into a 1299 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,400 group of people. 1300 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,160 It was slightly dodgy and but I was 1301 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,800 trying to work out some sort of um 1302 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,680 hierarchy between themselves, I think, 1303 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,920 you know. And you've got all these 1304 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,160 characters 1305 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,520 doing things. 1306 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,600 Um I don't know. I mean 1307 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,960 you never know with Lee. Is it would it 1308 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,320 is it a bit of an allegory for the band 1309 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,120 itself? I'm not sure, you know, but it's 1310 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,360 a great it's a fantastic It's again, 1311 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,120 it's a lyric It's just 1312 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,280 the characters are just great, and uh 1313 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,640 and that's what sucks you in. And it's 1314 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,280 got a brilliant chorus as well. It's my 1315 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,720 favorite. 1316 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,640 When Lee was teaching himself the sax, 1317 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,720 he was playing around with it note-wise 1318 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,120 and with the sound and the texture, but 1319 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,400 he was also playing around with it as a 1320 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,920 rhythmic thing. 1321 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,560 And that whole kind of diddle-diddle-up, 1322 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,520 diddle-diddle-up, diddle-diddle-up That 1323 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,880 feel to it, that sort of percussive sax, 1324 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,680 is really central to the sound of 1325 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,160 Madness all the way through. You can 1326 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,840 hear it in his solo in Dust Devil. 1327 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,000 We've We've written absolute tons of 1328 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,040 songs, 1329 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,160 um culminating in one of our finest, I 1330 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,560 think, which was um 1331 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,200 Dust Devil. 1332 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,400 >> No, I think it's um all about uh 1333 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,800 something that uh vibrates 1334 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,760 in a 1335 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,920 young lady's bed at night um 1336 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,400 to be honest, but um 1337 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,160 Or it could be a cleaning device. I'm 1338 00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,800 not sure. Uh 1339 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,560 but a dust devil, yeah. NW5 feels like 1340 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,840 Lee's actually most lyrical song of all. 1341 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,520 That chorus is actually really, really 1342 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,000 lovely. 1343 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,160 Though we face the final curtain, one 1344 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,840 thing remains, that's for certain. I 1345 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,360 will love you all my life, but without 1346 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:34,840 you in my life, I would give you 1347 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,680 everything for just that smile you 1348 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:44,320 bring, for just that song to sing. 1349 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,680 And you can tell 1350 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,920 this is somebody who 1351 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,600 knows about the miserable side, but can 1352 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,040 put a kind of warmth into how they feel 1353 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,280 about it. It's something that they've 1354 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,400 they're so accustomed to 1355 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,760 that there is a positivity even in the 1356 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,880 worst things. 1357 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,920 An amazing observer 1358 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,920 of of life, and he's puts it down as it 1359 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,600 is. 1360 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,400 We were preparing for 1361 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,040 the Olympic show. It was exciting. There 1362 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,240 there was um there was uh talk about 1363 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,440 clothes, what to wear. And Lee had 1364 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,160 decided to wear a kilt with a St. 1365 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,400 George's Cross on it. 1366 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,200 The idea was that the band would be on a 1367 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,680 flatbed just going around the arena. 1368 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,840 He stopped opposite the Queen's seat. 1369 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,800 Wire would be attached to the harness 1370 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,920 that he Lee already had on. He would 1371 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,920 take off and fly, which is what 1372 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,400 happened. 1373 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,600 And what he'd done was he'd got hold of 1374 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,520 a diamante tiara, which was on a 4-ft 1375 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,400 length of fishing wire underneath the 1376 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,640 kilt that he could trigger. And once he 1377 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,680 was right above the Queen's head, he 1378 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,160 triggered it, and this thing dropped 1379 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,000 out, and it was the crown jewels. 1380 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,200 I was playing a festival called The Big 1381 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,720 Festival. My wife described it as bogan 1382 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,680 catalog on cider. 1383 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,920 As I understood it, it was a regular set 1384 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,640 apart from just at one point during my 1385 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,960 set. I seemed to take the crowd higher 1386 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,800 than usual without really intending to 1387 01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,120 or knowing quite what I've done. 1388 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,920 I know Norman's set 1389 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,960 intimately, and this sort of noise came 1390 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,360 from the crowd at the wrong time. 1391 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,600 There's suddenly a big roar, and you're 1392 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,960 thinking, "Hmm, I'll take that, but did 1393 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,880 I do that?" So, we looked over at the 1394 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,400 stage, and there's this guy climbing up 1395 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,800 this kind of diagonal rigging. My 1396 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,480 production manager had was I had to 1397 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,440 argue with the health and safety people 1398 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,280 not to have the gig stopped mid my set 1399 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,040 because somebody had got up the lighting 1400 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,480 rig. 1401 01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,280 And of course, it's Lee. 1402 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,080 Lee's always 1403 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,760 felt uh more comfortable in midair than 1404 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,880 on the ground. I remember sitting in a 1405 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,280 in a 30 1406 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,120 30-floor hotel in Australia. 1407 01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,160 Just sitting there, just sagged, 1408 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,080 relaxing. And next thing, 1409 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,360 he appears on He's jumped across a gap 1410 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,360 of maybe 4 4 4 and 1/2 5 ft from one 1411 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,120 tower to the next. 1412 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,760 And he's like some sticky frog on the 1413 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,560 window. On one or two occasions, I've 1414 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,760 had to give I've been asked to give 1415 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,040 character reference, and I've always 1416 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:40,600 been willing to do so cuz I've always 1417 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,840 felt that there was never any malice in 1418 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,720 what happened. 1419 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,360 We started talking to Butlins. They 1420 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,040 started getting excited. And 1421 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,400 we knew they were very excited when they 1422 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,280 suggested lunch 1423 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,800 in Minehead. And we were like, "You see, 1424 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,320 you can't be serious. 1425 01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,680 We're not coming to Minehead for lunch." 1426 01:03:58,680 --> 01:03:59,760 And they they sent the Butlins 1427 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,560 helicopter. And we we thought, "Hello, 1428 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,840 this is So, we we developed the idea, 1429 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,000 presented it to the band. 1430 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,360 It's worked. It's been amazing. The fans 1431 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,960 The the the lovely fans. 1432 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,640 It's turned into a life of its own. And 1433 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,320 we're now in on sale with our sixth year 1434 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,200 of the House of Fun. 1435 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,720 I dedicate this to Stacy Scannell. 1436 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,720 Congratulations 1437 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,480 a mad music hall sort of music. And 1438 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,280 and then the words, just the idea of him 1439 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,440 toppling on the top of the top of the of 1440 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,000 these you know, on the the roof up on 1441 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,840 the flats, you know, and all the police 1442 01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,880 trying to chase him. Which was something 1443 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,320 that used to happen quite a lot, you 1444 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,720 know, getting chased for whatever 1445 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,440 reasons. 1446 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,320 Lee that likes to mess around with his 1447 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,680 image and his persona. And you know, 1448 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,640 whatever everything from Harry Krishna 1449 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,720 to Smurf to 1450 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,600 exploding traffic warden 1451 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,040 to 1452 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,400 You know, you name it. I mean, Lee 1453 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,960 doesn't mind 1454 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,080 making a fool of himself. 1455 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,200 What do you call it, son? Madness. 1456 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,440 Madness. 1457 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,240 Madness. 1458 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,680 Madness. 1459 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,600 There's a fine line between 1460 01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,920 humor and something that isn't very 1461 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,640 tasteful. 1462 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,200 You know, he does things to the dancers 1463 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,560 and things that I don't find funny. 1464 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:41,920 Like, you know, pretending to wee on 1465 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,440 them. You know, he got completely 1466 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,240 pissed. He's trying to climb up the 1467 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,120 bloody lights, you know, like a bloody 1468 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,720 idiot like he like he often does. And he 1469 01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,160 falls over and then he breaks it. 1470 01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:54,600 Well, Lee and I generally get on really 1471 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,560 well, but there's something that's I've 1472 01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,840 told nobody and that is that he really 1473 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,040 annoys me in the sense that He's great. 1474 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,760 I mean, you know, I mean, he's amazing. 1475 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,160 I watched 1476 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,240 I watched the gig a while back, the 1477 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,280 whole gig, and I was looking at him, and 1478 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,320 every moment I I had the impression 1479 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:12,960 every moment he was like doing 1480 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,080 something. He's just really funny, yeah. 1481 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,240 He's a great actor. 1482 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,600 Um really good actor. 1483 01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,480 Comedian. 1484 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,000 He's great songwriter. Uh lyricist, 1485 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,920 saxophone player. 1486 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,280 And as we all know, you know, no joke is 1487 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,400 a sort of dampened by repetition, but 1488 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,000 sometimes it can be really annoying. You 1489 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,080 know, I can say to him, "Lee, could you 1490 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,800 just please stop?" Because actually he's 1491 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:39,960 getting on my nerves. Well, there's 1492 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,000 always one thing that really infuriates 1493 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,480 me about Lee. And I'll tell you, he's 1494 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,960 not 1495 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,760 It's just unbridled joy, you know what I 1496 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,640 mean? It's just that's what Lee, you 1497 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,520 know, brings. 1498 01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,400 Well, there's one thing that people 1499 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,120 should know about him, and maybe I'll 1500 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,080 lose a lot of fans. 1501 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,560 National treasure, institution, 1502 01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,960 validated by performing for the Queen 1503 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,840 at the Jubilee. 1504 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,400 He can blow better than most saxophone 1505 01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,200 players I've ever heard in my life, 1506 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,400 because it comes from here. 1507 01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,279 He's uh he's always entertaining. He's 1508 01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,440 always aware 1509 01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:40,799 of the of of the eyes on him, and he's 1510 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:43,200 always playing to that. In the smallest 1511 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,400 ways, there's not a moment wasted. I 1512 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,600 used to hate the saxophone, though. 1513 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,880 If there's one person who made me really 1514 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,160 enjoy listening to the saxophone, it's 1515 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,279 Lee. 1516 01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,359 And it's largely because, I mean, the 1517 01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:57,720 saxophone 1518 01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,520 does express the personality. 1519 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,400 It when he plays the saxophone, and it's 1520 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:07,000 so it surges with rich warmth and life. 1521 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,359 He's absolutely wonderful. 1522 01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:18,040 There was this time once, we were in 1523 01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,359 Japan 1524 01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,960 sharing a room, and hello? 1525 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,040 Hello? 1526 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,480 And he's a lovely character now, and 1527 01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:28,680 he's a nice chap. 1528 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,680 Multiple personality disorder, or what's 1529 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,960 now known as dissociative identity 1530 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,240 disorder, is a rare condition where 1531 01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,000 somebody's identity is fragmented into 1532 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,000 two or more distinct personalities. But 1533 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,760 then you got to remember with Lee that 1534 01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:58,640 um 1535 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,200 if he wasn't in a band, he'd he'd be 1536 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,440 locked up in a secure unit somewhere. 1537 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,680 The Madness orchestra, 1538 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,200 there's loads of them, there's like 10 1539 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,440 or 12 of them on stage, and it's a 1540 01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:32,280 really big event. Trying to make that 1541 01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,160 function, getting all those people off 1542 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,520 to gigs, hotels, travel, you know, 1543 01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,160 financially, it'll never make sense. 1544 01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,440 I do like ska. I mean, I liked early 1545 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:48,480 ska, I liked uh Jamaican ska, and 1546 01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:51,360 ska, and uh 1547 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,480 um I was never a 1548 01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:55,520 particular Madness fan in the in the in 1549 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,560 the in the 1550 01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,080 Um 1551 01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,600 but I do like that strain in in what 1552 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,080 they do. 1553 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,640 But every now and again, he'll do 1554 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,320 something that I think, "Nah, that is a 1555 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,080 step too far." 1556 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,240 I would love to see Lee in films, 1557 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:12,680 though. 1558 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,240 I really would love to see him, you 1559 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:15,280 know, 1560 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,280 a good script on film because he's he's 1561 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,160 he's a natural actor. He's got it there. 1562 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,880 He doesn't He doesn't need any training. 1563 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,560 He's natural. Box of balloons with a 1564 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,080 feather light touch, pack of party 1565 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,320 poppers that pop in the night. 1566 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:30,920 A toothbrush and hairspray, plastic 1567 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,560 grin. Miss Clay on all corners has just 1568 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,680 walked in. Welcome to the house of fun. 1569 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,080 Now I've come of age. Welcome to the 1570 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,960 house of fun. I think with all the 1571 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,560 questions that he asked me, he put 1572 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,920 together in his own little way. 1573 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,280 Buster, he's out there 1574 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,880 with his rock steady beat. Loved the 1575 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,160 kilts. 1576 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,080 Oh, it looked great. 1577 01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,240 Um obviously, it was when he had a 1578 01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,960 lovely body at the time. 1579 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,040 He's He's written some great songs. He's 1580 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,080 a bright lad. He's a very bright young 1581 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,160 man. 1582 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:09,680 And a nice man. 1583 01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,800 He's nice as well. But always was, I 1584 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,360 guess, but I couldn't see it when he was 1585 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,560 younger. Lee, 1586 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,760 for me, changed the whole tone of it 1587 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,640 into a sumptuous richness 1588 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,160 of sort of ribald pleasure. 1589 01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,280 That's how I think of it. 1590 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,520 He's a very talented boy is is Lee in 1591 01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,520 his own 1592 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,120 chirpy way. 1593 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,960 And it's quite a pop thing, so it's a 1594 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,520 Welcome to the house of jumped out. 1595 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,240 Welcome to the house of fun. Now I've 1596 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,120 come of age. Welcome to the house of 1597 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,040 fun. 1598 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,960 Welcome to the night and the temptations 1599 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,280 on its way. Welcome to the house of 1600 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,120 What's Lee doing? Oh, well, he's up on a 1601 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,040 high wire. All right, wearing a tutu. 1602 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,600 And I think that that all just comes 1603 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,720 from his obviously desperate need to be 1604 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,400 center of attention. 1605 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,200 He may be clinging onto a lamp post 1606 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,360 because he can't hold himself up, but 1607 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,360 there's a bit of a smile on his face. 1608 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,840 He's a well-rounded performer and 1609 01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,200 player, you know, you can put him on 1610 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,600 that stage, right, and you know very 1611 01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:20,520 well he's going to he's going to 1612 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,560 entertain the audience. Oh, what have I 1613 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,080 done 1614 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,560 to deserve this fate? It's all going 1615 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,200 wrong. 1616 01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:32,120 Even the cafe has been and gone, and now 1617 01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:36,000 I'm lagging in deepest Tottenham. 1618 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,360 Very, very good sax player. 1619 01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,760 You know, his his kind of dynamic is 1620 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,880 great, you know, even if he doesn't use 1621 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,720 all the buttons on the thing. Uh I found 1622 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,680 out afterwards that that Mark, my uh 1623 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,720 production manager, was had to argue 1624 01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,520 with the health and safety people not to 1625 01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,520 have the gig stopped mid my set because 1626 01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,280 somebody had gone up the lighting rig. 1627 01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:58,520 Now, 1628 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,760 he's still swinging from the bloody 1629 01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,280 rafters. 1630 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,120 I had an awareness from the onset that 1631 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,240 uh you know, he needed to um 1632 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,560 you know, extra care when it came to 1633 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,680 money. 1634 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:09,800 Conversation with him when we're trying 1635 01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,240 to balance the 1636 01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,240 what the earnings were of fly posting, 1637 01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,240 what his earnings were as a 1638 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,200 performer with Madness at uh Wembley 1639 01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,480 Arena, two nights there. 1640 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,120 I don't know that philosophical is the 1641 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,600 word that would immediately spring to 1642 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,440 mind. He's a very friendly, 1643 01:14:26,440 --> 01:14:29,840 uh charming, um engaging man. 1644 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,120 Lee Thompson is the third front man 1645 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,920 of the great British pop group Madness. 1646 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,000 Um and saxophonist and songwriter 1647 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,280 as well. 1648 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,040 Lee Thompson is a very strange 1649 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,320 character. Um 1650 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,120 an enigma. 1651 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,120 Um somebody that the 1652 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,080 the laws of humanity haven't really 1653 01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,160 touched yet. 1654 01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,120 Lee's the 1655 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,880 secret weapon, 1656 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,280 the special ingredient, 1657 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,200 the chili, the extra hot chili. 1658 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,240 He's like the He's like the catalyst 1659 01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,440 that makes it go bang. 1660 01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:15,960 Yeah. 1661 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,440 Yeah, he's the man who get the chemistry 1662 01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,720 set and make it blow up. 1663 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,960 With a smell as well. 1664 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,000 Pretty maintenance free. 1665 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,240 Except when you have to get him home cuz 1666 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:28,680 he's a bit of a 1667 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,920 likes to enjoy life as we say. 1668 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,160 And 1669 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,440 meet and greet the public. I would love 1670 01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:36,600 to see Lee in films though. 1671 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,240 I really would love to see him, you 1672 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,480 know, 1673 01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:41,240 a good script I'm putting cuz he's he's 1674 01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,160 he's a natural actor. He's got it there. 1675 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,880 He doesn't He doesn't need any training. 1676 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,800 Natural. Box of balloons with a feather 1677 01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,600 I touch, pack of party poppers that pop 1678 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,280 in the night. 1679 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:54,840 A toothbrush and hairspray, plastic 1680 01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,560 grimace clay, Ronald corners has just 1681 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,680 walked in. Welcome to the house of fun. 1682 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,600 I have come of age. Welcome to the house 1683 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,360 of fun. I think with all the questions 1684 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,960 that he asked me, he put together in his 1685 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:11,840 own little way. 1686 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,320 Buster, he's all there 1687 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,840 with his rocksteady beat. Loved the 1688 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,160 Kilburns. 1689 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,280 Oh, it looked great. 1690 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,120 Um, 1691 01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,720 obviously it was when he had a lovely 1692 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,840 body at the time. 1693 01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,040 He's He's written some great songs. He's 1694 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,080 a bright lad. He's a very bright young 1695 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,120 man. 1696 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,080 And a nice man. He's nice as well. But 1697 01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,800 always was I guess, but I couldn't see 1698 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,480 it when he was younger. Lee 1699 01:16:39,480 --> 01:16:42,760 for me changed the whole tone of it into 1700 01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,840 a sumptuous richness of sort of ribald 1701 01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,200 pleasure. 1702 01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,280 That's how I think of it. 1703 01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,560 He's a very talented boy is is Lee in 1704 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,520 his own 1705 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,120 chirpy way. 1706 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,960 And it's quite a pop thing. So, it's a 1707 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,520 welcome to the house of Jump Town. 1708 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,280 Welcome to the house of fun. Now I've 1709 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,080 come of age. Welcome to the house of 1710 01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,000 fun. 1711 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,280 Welcome to the night and stand. 1712 01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,880 Temptation's on its way. Welcome to the 1713 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,600 house of What's Lee doing? Oh, well, 1714 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,480 he's up on a high wire. All right, 1715 01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:28,040 wearing a tutu. 1716 01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:29,560 And I think that that all just comes 1717 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,720 from his obviously desperate need to be 1718 01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,400 center of attention. 1719 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,200 He may be clinging onto a lamp post 1720 01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,360 because he can't hold himself up, but 1721 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,640 there's a bit of a smile on his He's a 1722 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,600 well-rounded performer and player now. 1723 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,080 You can put him on that stage, right, 1724 01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,320 and you know very well he's he's going 1725 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,440 to entertain the audience. Oh, what have 1726 01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:48,080 I done 1727 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,560 to deserve this fate? It's all going 1728 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,120 wrong. 1729 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:56,120 Even the cafe has been and gone. And now 1730 01:17:56,120 --> 01:18:00,000 I'm lagging in deepest heart and lung. 1731 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,360 Very, very good sax player. 1732 01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,720 You know, his his kind of dynamic is 1733 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,880 great, you know, even if he doesn't use 1734 01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,720 all the buttons on the thing. Uh I found 1735 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,600 out afterwards that that Mark, my 1736 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,640 production manager, was I had to argue 1737 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,520 with the health and safety people not to 1738 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,520 have the gig stopped mid my set because 1739 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,280 somebody had got up the lighting rig. 1740 01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:22,520 Now, 1741 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,720 he's still swinging from the bloody 1742 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,240 rafters. 1743 01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,440 I had an awareness from the onset that 1744 01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:30,200 he'd be needing um 1745 01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:31,560 you know, extra care when it came to 1746 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:32,640 money. 1747 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:33,800 Conversation with him where we're trying 1748 01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,200 to balance the 1749 01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,240 what the earnings were of fly Posting, 1750 01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,240 what his earnings were as a 1751 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,840 performer with Madness at Wembley Arena, 1752 01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,080 two nights there. I don't know that 1753 01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,760 philosophical is the word that would 1754 01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,920 immediately spring to mind. He's a very 1755 01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,600 friendly, 1756 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,840 uh charming, um engaging man. 1757 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,120 Lee Thompson is the third frontman 1758 01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,880 of the great British pop group Madness. 1759 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,000 Um and a saxophonist and songwriter 1760 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,280 as well. 1761 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,040 Lee Thompson is a very strange 1762 01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,600 character, 1763 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:10,320 um 1764 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,120 an enigma. 1765 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,080 Um somebody that the 1766 01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,040 the laws of humanity haven't really 1767 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,120 touched yet. 1768 01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:22,840 Lee's the 1769 01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:24,880 secret weapon, 1770 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,280 the special ingredient, 1771 01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:31,240 the chili, the extra hot chili. 1772 01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,240 He's like the He's like the catalyst 1773 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,400 that makes it go Bang. 1774 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,040 Um yeah. 1775 01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,440 Yeah, he's the man who get the chemistry 1776 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,800 set and make it blow up. 1777 01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,040 With a smell as well. 1778 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,080 Pretty maintenance-free. Um 1779 01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,120 except when you have to get him home 1780 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:52,720 cuz he's a bit of a 1781 01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,920 likes to enjoy life, as we say. 1782 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,200 And um 1783 01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,680 meet and greet public. 1784 01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:32,840 You say you're in a dancing mood. 1785 01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:38,200 Well, I think you're a little bit rude. 1786 01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,320 Man I come home hungry for my food. 1787 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,800 You're in the kitchen dancing. Shoulders 1788 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,560 jerking, hips a wiggling. 1789 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:53,320 Sometimes I sit down and I wonder. 1790 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:57,480 Sometimes I sit down and I wonder. 1791 01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:59,880 Do you love me? 1792 01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,200 Do you love me 1793 01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:03,840 like you say 1794 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,680 you do? 1795 01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:32,800 You went to the dance last night. 1796 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,600 You and the rude boys were a terrific 1797 01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,880 sight. 1798 01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:38,920 The rude 1799 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:43,080 boys take you home. 1800 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:43,840 You 1801 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,800 know where they took you before. 1802 01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:53,240 Sometimes I sit down and I wonder. 1803 01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:58,120 Sometimes I sit down and I wonder. 1804 01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:01,040 Is life worth living? 1805 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,480 Is life worth living 1806 01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:06,800 with a woman like you? 1807 01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,960 >> Ooh.121182

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