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It's a really weird, scary feeling.
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You're disoriented.
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You can't see in front of you.
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It's like it's false imprisonment.
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I can't get away. I can't get out. I
can't get out of its door because these
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guys are blocking the door. I can't get
to my car.
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When I'm in my car, they're surrounding
my car.
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I can't see. They flash light bulbs.
It's nighttime. Now I can't. My vision
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impaired.
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It's hot. Bye, stress.
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Why do you ask me? City's gone to my
head. I don't care
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now, cause you don't care now.
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Cause you don't know my name.
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Yeah, yeah, you don't know my name.
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I've been shooting since the 80s, and
celebrity photography has changed a lot.
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With big award shows, there are about
50, 60 guys in the pen, and they're all
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fighting for the same image.
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They're trying to get a head shot, or a
full -length fashion shot. They're
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screaming at the celebrities, trying to
get eye contact into their camera.
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I, on the other hand, I'm outside the
pen. I'm on the red carpet.
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Where I go right up to them. I can make
them pose for me.
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Give me eye contact.
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Or set up a shot.
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You'll talk to the PR people. They'll
even tell you flat out.
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We don't need all these photographers.
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It's just for camera and show.
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Basically all we need is like five or
six guys.
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But no, we want all these photographers
here. Because it looks great on camera.
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And it makes it look more glamorous.
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Hollywood.
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If you look in the magazines and on all
these websites and TV shows, you're
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seeing all these celebrities.
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Where does it really come from?
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The red carpet is just one piece of
what's become a billion dollar a year
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industry.
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In the days of Hedda Hopper, at the
premiere of something, you know, the
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would hire photographers, but there was
gracefully waiting, may I take a
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picture?
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It was all agreed upon.
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Clients would walk in the room and say,
hey, how'd you get all these
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photographers here, you know?
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Nobody bothered anybody.
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I didn't cross your fence, you didn't
cross my fence.
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Now it's become something totally
different.
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Someone jumping over your wall, okay,
your wall.
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You know, how is that not a clear line?
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You can't do that, right? This is a
perfect example.
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Mark and I getting married. We took
every precaution and every measure so we
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could have a private moment.
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Decided to do it in the backyard, invite
20 people. They thought they were
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coming to a barbecue, so some of them
are not even that dressed up. In shorts
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and shit.
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Mark built... The runway.
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Literally. Hammer nails. From home
people with his friends. Because to get
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contractor to do it, it would have been.
We couldn't trust anybody. We had to do
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it all ourselves, which is fine. It was
actually a beautiful experience in its
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own way. But even with that, they found
a way.
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Helicopter comes over right as I'm
walking down the aisle. We couldn't hear
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other making the vows. The people were
there putting here our vows. Till this
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day, I'm not sure if she said yes
because.
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Did you? You did, right? We have to look
at the tape.
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Technically, you can get out of this.
You know, because I never heard it. But
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that place wasn't even sacred. Like,
shouldn't our home at least be sacred?
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Yeah, at Getty Images, we're selling an
image every single second.
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And within the news or editorial area,
about 40 % of all those images are
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entertainment images.
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I get the same names thrown at me. Oh,
do you work with Annie Leibovitz? Do you
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work with Patrick Demarchelier?
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But the most published photographers in
the world are the entertainment
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photographers.
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A lot of people may not have heard of
them, but these folks are being
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in the thousands and thousands every
week.
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Photographers. The difference in
photographers.
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Well, I guess there's three kinds. You
got the guys that you regularly see on
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the scene, like Kevin, the guys from
Wire Image, where you see them at all
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shows. You kind of become friends with
them. You know, they're not looking for
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bad shot. You know, they're looking for
something interesting.
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He said, cool, no problem.
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Then you got the stalker Nazis, you
know, who go through anything to get a
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who sit there like they're eating lunch
with a bag with a big camera in it and
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whip it out at any, like, moment's
notice.
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And then some of the worst offenders are
just the creepos with the cell phones.
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They're acting like they're looking for
a number, you know, I'm buying a Boca
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burger, which I don't want anybody to
know about.
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You know what I mean? I eat steaks and
meat, I'm badass.
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You know, it's like I'm in the Boca
burger section, like, fuck!
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You know, I'm like that, you know, those
people suck.
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People with mobile phones and, you know,
pictures of them, you know, you can't
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go anywhere without being photographed,
basically, now.
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You have to be very, you have to accept
it, you have to be aware of it, and you
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have to behave accordingly.
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Now the regular citizens have become
paparazzi.
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You're not safe anywhere. Anyone can
sell you.
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Anyone can sell a piece of you.
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The kind of fascination that we have
with celebrities changed over time.
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We used to go and see movies in these
amazing movie houses, many of which...
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were not only built to look like
palaces, were called palaces.
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And we would sit in the dark and we
would watch these huge, larger -than
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people, idols that were literally like
deities.
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The first people who appeared in movies,
their names weren't used.
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The audience had to make up their own
names for these people.
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Mary Pickford, for instance.
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became known as the girl with the curls
because the studios didn't promote them.
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They knew if they promoted them that
they would have to pay them more.
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Pickford really changed that.
Personally, she and her mother invented
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and the percentage deal.
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The movie makes so much money, I make so
much money.
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Unheard of, unthinkable.
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And she married Douglas Fairbanks.
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who, on the male side, did the same
thing.
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Back when Hollywood was in its golden
age, it was glamorous and beautiful and
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mysterious, and you wondered how they
lived. And if they did a spread in
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somebody's house, it was just so
special.
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And now, we're so exposed, there's no
mystery.
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Today, celebrity is an industry.
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And in every industry, you have raw
material. And the raw material in the
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celebrity industry is an actual body, an
actual flesh and blood person who has
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feelings, has emotions, has a family.
That raw material is shaped.
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You have to look a certain way. So they
have a stylist and a publicist and a
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manager and an agent that help form the
raw material into the finished product.
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Second of all, you have authorized
publicity.
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Things that the celebrity and his or her
publicist have decided will become part
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of this person's image.
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Interviews, magazine covers, the actual
films, the products in which the star
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appears.
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And then you have the unauthorized
publicity, which is paparazzi
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gossip, unsanctioned. But at the same
time, it still contributes to the
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formation of the image.
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Next, media takes this image and gives
it to the consumer.
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As far as outlets, there's print,
there's television, and there's online.
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So some of the authorized outlets would
be People, Entertainment Tonight, Extra,
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Access Hollywood, and then a star's
website or a star's fan club.
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Unauthorized and print, we have InTouch
and Life & Style. There's gossip blogs
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like TMZ, Perez Hilton, D -Listed, and
Gawker.
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So bottom line, all these different
players, they're all interconnected and
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symbiotic on one another.
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Watch the cars behind you guys.
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Have a great day.
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I don't know that one. Pretty hot.
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And she sells?
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Oh, fuck yeah, she sells.
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Yeah, yeah, she sells for sure.
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Usually they run, what, $250, $500?
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Truthfully, usually they're $50, $250.
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It's as much as $250 ,000.
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Because here's the deal. You may get
nothing today, but you may come today or
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tomorrow and make more in one day than
most make in a year.
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For the love of the game.
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The problem is... It has to be the most
audacious, the most
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outrageous, the most intrusive behavior
may get the most saleable shot.
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The agencies are trying to get that, to
sell them to magazines or video outlets
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that will pay money for it. And the
public buys the magazines and watches
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show, so it's that whole cycle.
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Part of the game is to provoke a
reaction.
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If that thing had happened, somebody
would take a swing at them.
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You know, or start pushing or screaming.
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That's a better shot. Makes more money.
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They usually bring up ex -girlfriends,
ex -wives and say stuff about Pam.
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There's not too much they can really say
to get my goat.
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It's more invading your space, getting
in your face. You're like, wait a
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I don't know you, dude.
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You're going to come at me and try to
get a reaction?
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There's my reaction. We're all good.
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I've given them one or two of those in
my time.
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But now you just have to know that
that's the photograph that they want.
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And you just have to not give it to
them.
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What they're trying to do is provoke
you. Like, oh, you were voted worth this
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that. And if they do provoke you, they
have won.
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And you have lost. Me, on the other
hand.
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Yeah.
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Mark doesn't have as much of a tolerance
for that stuff, so we try not to put
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him in those situations too often.
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They kind of want Lindsay Lohan to melt
down in public, so they've got their
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photograph. This week in the celebrity
spotlight, Lindsay Lohan is jailbound.
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And, you know, half the time she gives
them the thing they want, and it's very
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sad because it's like, this girl was a
good actress. She had talent. She made
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records, you know.
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And now it's kind of, she's become their
toy.
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And it's frightening.
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There is a uniquely American sport
called Grand Decide.
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We build someone up to spectacular
heights in order to tear them down. It's
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vicious cycle. You build up, you break
her down, and the next thing you know,
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this person comes back again.
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Next thing you know, break them down
again.
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You know, you just sit back and watch.
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I know it's only a couple days in, but
they say it's going to go number one.
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That
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moment
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of her just looking in the camera and
shaving her head was such a powerful
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moment.
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Fuck you, God. I mean, there was
something about it that was, fuck you.
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know, I mean, she had enough.
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She broke in front of all of our eyes,
and then people captured that, but it
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really bad to me. People used to be able
to develop kind of quietly, and if they
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made mistakes, the whole world didn't
know about them.
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Gee, Mickey, we don't know how lucky we
are. But that's not the way it is
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anymore. Now, really horrible behavior
and people who are definitely in trouble
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and need help are often just seen as
people who are supposed to entertain
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This is a mess.
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Our celebrity images are supposed to be
seamless, but when those cracks open, I
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mean, it's kind of dirty, but it's also
fascinating.
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I am on a drug. It's called Shirley
Sheen. But then, you know, if the cracks
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open too wide... There's nothing left.
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You borrow my brain for five seconds and
just be like, dude, can't handle it.
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He's a train wreck.
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He's an absolute train wreck, which is
fabulous.
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Great. You know you shouldn't look, but
you're just curious.
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Come on, Mr. P.
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I'm Darren Lyons, Mr.
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Paparazzi, and this is my mini -me, Mr.
P.
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I started as a news photographer on a
local paper, but my passion was
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photography.
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A lot of the world, looking from the
outside in, live really disinteresting
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lives, and I think that is what's
captured the culture of celebrity today.
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I'm a true believer in the image. You
know, I've been to Bosnia on the front
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line getting shot at in full metal
jacket.
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I've won Press Photographer of the Year
in the United Kingdom two years in a
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row. I've won all the awards you could
imagine being a photographer.
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The fact of the matter is, you know,
awards don't pay the mortgage.
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I saw celebrity as being the huge moment
of the future.
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With MrPaparazzi .com, I embraced it,
and I'm still embracing it.
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Celebrity isn't going to go away. It's
been around since time began.
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You know, Julius Caesar was famous.
Napoleon was famous.
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But they were famous in different ways.
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The key is mass media.
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It had taken Napoleon a lifetime to
become famous. It took Charlie Chaplin a
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month. One day he was nobody, and a
month later he was known in the deepest
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jungles of Africa.
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He couldn't appear in public without a
mob coming around him.
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And he had to invent strategies to deal
with that.
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Celebrity today means anyone who's
famous. Now, you can be famous, you
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guy who was in a balloon and floated
across the country.
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Isn't that a star?
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I mean, is Jeffrey Dahmer a star?
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The real name of the game is fame.
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Historically, the American dream meant
that anyone could come to America and
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through hard work could own a home and
provide for their family.
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Now the American dream is really
transformed into anyone can become a
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The way
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that people talk about YouTube is that
anyone who puts
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a video on YouTube can become famous.
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Everyone can deny.
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Justin Bieber a contract, but then
because enough people are interested in
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he can still become famous.
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It's this idea that if you have talent
and if you make that talent visible,
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you can be voted in our democratic
society to be a star.
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I think a recent survey of British
children under 15 said they wanted to be
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doctor or a nurse or an architect or a
photographer. No, they just wanted to be
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either rich or famous.
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You know, Jersey Shore is a huge success
because we're not jobs and we don't
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care what people think about us. So I
think that's why everybody loves us.
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In general, a reality celebrity is like
a one -youth celebrity.
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You pay a little for them, but then you
can exploit them until they
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disintegrate. There are people out there
now that are completely celebrities and
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absolutely famous who don't work.
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Who don't even work. They have nothing
to sell.
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They have no... It's so scary.
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I hate reality television.
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I think it's the lowest common
denominator.
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It's mind rot to me. It numbs my brain.
And the people being called celebrities
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and have their own reality shows, I want
to kill them.
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Told you you wouldn't regret it.
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I think what people misunderstand is
that we're in the entertainment
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We're not these serious people, and
everyone's just gotten so used to all
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actors taking themselves so seriously
when it's really just a joke industry.
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It's supposed to be fun.
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There's nothing wrong with the Kim
Kardashian, all of those people, if
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how they choose to make a living, more
power to them.
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It's not my, my line of work is
different.
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I wanted to entertain people.
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Reality TV is, in a way, the new
vaudeville.
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There's nothing real about reality TV.
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People are led to believe that it's
real, and it's the big lie.
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There's nothing real about it.
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I'll tell you the first time it bothered
me.
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I walked out of my house. I wanted to go
and get my mother -in -law a birthday
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present.
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And I walked out, and for the first time
ever, there were all these
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photographers outside.
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And my first instinct, curiously enough,
because we're kind of all animals,
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basically, was to run. But then I got
scared to run because I was pregnant,
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I didn't trust the streets of New York
to be my ally.
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And I started crying, and I said to the
photographers, please don't chase me,
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I'm pregnant.
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Please don't chase me.
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And they kept following me, and I went
into a building. I saw a doorman in a
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building, and I said to him, is it okay,
can I come in your building? And he
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took me down to the garage, and there
was a couple, and they were on a
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motorcycle, and they saw me crying, and
she and I traded clothing.
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Everything from head to toe, and I got
on the back of her boyfriend's
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motorcycle, and she walked out of my
clothes, and he took me elsewhere and
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dropped me off.
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But it's just gotten exponentially worse
ever since then.
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Get out of my way, asshole.
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The paparazzi life is like the lottery.
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You might want to take a day off, but
that might be the day when something
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happens.
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Campbell, you're hours away.
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I start off very early in the morning,
and I go late at night, and I try to do
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it six days a week, if not seven days a
week.
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Got to do that celebrity rain dance.
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Come on, bring them in, bring them in,
bring them in.
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I love what I do.
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Because I get to drive up and down the
streets of my favorite city in the
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Los Angeles, California, interact with
celebrities, meet the tourists.
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I can take a day off when I want. I'm my
own boss. I have no one to answer to.
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Loving life, man. Loving life.
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They would work together in teams of
two. One of the photographers would
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aggravate the celebrity that they were
shooting, start some kind of
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confrontation so that the other one
could take the photograph.
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We sat down with Fellini, Marcello
Mastroianni, and we talked about what we
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done today, what we had taken.
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And he took notes.
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When he did La Dolce Vita, the
protagonist, the photographer of the
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film, wanted to give him a name, but he
could have called him Gilberto or
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Antonio Franco.
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The advent of the paparazzi took on a
whole different nastiness.
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Paparazzi were, I'll get you at any
cost.
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And I'll get it if it means killing you.
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And the competition among them was so
fierce.
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Ron Gallello was probably the first well
-known paparazzi who every day woke up
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and decided to focus his lens on Jackie
Kennedy, no matter what she was doing or
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where she was.
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Age has been good to Ron because he got
a lot of very bad press.
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He was seen to be, you know, a parasite,
and his photography is now being
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collected by serious photography
collectors. But, you know, when Ron was
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working, it was completely different
from the way it is now.
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Getting your picture taken went from
something where you felt that somebody
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was...
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honoring you, a part of you, your work,
your beauty, your youth, something, to a
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haunt. And most of the time, instead of
celebrating something about you, a lot
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of the time it's trying to find
something wrong with you.
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I'm not out to get a bad shot of Lindsay
Lohan. I'm out to get a shot.
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Now, if she's doing good, well, I'm
taking a good shot.
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If she's doing bad, well, in her eyes,
I'm taking a bad shot.
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To me, it steals a shot.
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You're about the rudest people I've ever
run into.
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Thank you.
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No wonder people come up and clap you.
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He threw the finger at me. I don't blame
him. You're an asshole.
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That's exactly right. You know, they use
it as a big ghost.
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Oh, paparazzi bad.
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Well, you took the picture and they
wrote about it, but you shouldn't have
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the picture.
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Well, okay, but they still sold
magazines and you still read it. Hey, I
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question. Who do you think the people
hate more, the parking enforcement or
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paparazzi?
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You guys. Really?
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Yeah.
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I think it's really easy to blame the
paparazzi because there are actual
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right there that we can pinpoint as the
cause.
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There are photos of the paparazzi
getting in the celebrities' faces,
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writers and editors are completely
unseen, and we certainly don't want to
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ourselves.
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I think that paparazzi has a place.
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Forty percent of many of the magazines
have paparazzi photos.
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They're an important part of the
industry.
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I want to get away.
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I want to get away.
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The men in the doctor's office and
they're all there and there's no men
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me. That's the one I'll go for first.
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Either OK or Awesome. I would pick that
up before Sports Illustrated.
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Bryce Elton, the PMJ, and OK Magazine.
Yes, I do read them all.
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Someone I know is on the cover, and it
has the big headline, I want to know
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what's happening.
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If there's a controversy, like an
argument between people, and I know it's
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to be ongoing, that's when I buy it.
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Good gossip, basically.
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Confidential goes behind the headlines
for its stories, stories that we feel,
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that I feel, the public should know.
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Robert Harrison published kind of pulpy
skin magazines out of his apartment in
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the 1940s, and then he started
Confidential in the 1950s.
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Confidential basically made what had, to
that point, been unspeakable,
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speakable. So, women's sexuality, having
relationships between the races, even
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homosexuality.
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Confidential was operating entirely
outside of the system and had no qualms
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about reporting on these sorts of
things.
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Some of the stories were outrageous.
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You know, I boiled my baby in the oven
this morning, things like that. I mean,
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terrible things, and there were people
who believed it.
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And our damage control was just ignore
it.
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It'll go away, and most of the time it
did.
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The outlaw magazines took advantage of
the fact that there were secrets that
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they could basically use as blackmail.
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The classic story, of course, was the
story about Rock Hudson's homosexuality,
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which Confidential had absolute evidence
of. And they said, give us an exclusive
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story and we won't print it.
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So the studio took a much lesser actor,
who was also gay, and they sacrificed
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him.
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Pretty sleazy stuff, but it was
business.
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Confidential became extremely popular in
a very short amount of time. I mean,
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upwards of five million copies a month
at its height.
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But all of these stars, including
Maureen O 'Hara and Liberace and Dorothy
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Dandridge, filed suit against
Confidential for the various things that
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about them. I don't feel I've ever done
anything wrong.
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robert harrison agreed to basically stop
covering the stars and then the stars
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in the studios would stop suing him so
he sold it off i think it's a part of
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americana i think it's going to live
long after i'm gone
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they're
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so funny i mean You know, you're never
going to get the bald looking.
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Looking for all those sort of fun little
behind -the -scenes kind of images that
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are going to make a reader feel like
that they were really there.
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Someone stepping on someone's train,
someone greeting someone saying hi,
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Kidman and Keith Urban going out on
their date night, things like that.
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From this, we pick a few hundred
pictures, and I would say in terms of
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in the magazine, we have room for six
consecutive pages of award show
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Now, if something really juicy happens
at the show, you never know, it could
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a cover story out of it, or it could go
in the hot stuff section and be a gossip
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item.
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Mila Kunis looked amazing, so we might
run a full -length dress shot of her, in
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which case we can't necessarily run
another picture of her inside with
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Portman, even though it's really cute.
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So it's really just a giant puzzle.
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Last week, it was launched in the 1970s
to compete with people.
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People Magazine was first published in
1974.
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One of the first issues had Gerald Ford
not, like, in a suit in the White House.
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He's in a pool, and his shirt is off.
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So it's really trying to give this
intimate look into these different
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personalities' lives. And it was a
tremendous success immediately.
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Us Weekly was actually published by the
New York Times Company originally, and
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eventually sold it to Jan Wenner, the
founder of Rolling Stone.
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It has been a monthly, a bi -weekly, and
a weekly.
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They have changed its format, its tone,
who they're covering. He tried
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everything, and none of it worked.
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It seems like people was invincible.
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Around 2002, Bonnie Fuller took over Us
Weekly, and she changed the face of
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celebrity reporting.
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A lot of the magazines would feature
these glamorous shots of celebrities,
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at the time, Us Weekly wasn't doing that
well. And so the only photos that Us
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Weekly could afford were those shots
that magazines wouldn't print. I was
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interested in celebrities being
glamorous, but then I also wanted to see
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human side of them, too.
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And so we created a section called Stars
Are Just Like Us.
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Bonnie snapped up those shots of
celebrities taking out their garbage,
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up their kids.
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It was a home run for us.
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I guess I was a pioneer because it was
the first time that paparazzi photos had
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been presented that way.
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She definitely has the good hair and
then the pretty and hello.
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Everybody wants to know who it is and,
you know, kind of become the expert and
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the insider.
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So we want to always give that.
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That's one of the reasons why they come
here to Us Weekly. The way that we lay
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it out, it always does feel like you
were like a member of the party there
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they love it.
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When Bonnie and I worked together as
editors at Us Weekly, I broke the story
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that Britney Spears and Justin
Timberlake had broken up.
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And then the next week we had a follow
-up to that story.
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And we created these soap operas. There
was a time when I was on the tabloids
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every week for maybe two years straight.
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Try every day. And a soap opera.
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00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,740
If you're in a relationship and you're
in the tabloids all the time, it's like,
453
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,720
well, maybe that part was true. Maybe it
wasn't. Then all of a sudden you're a
454
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,180
victim to believing what they're saying
and what they're writing.
455
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,940
Gossip is itself just as much of a
product as a movie is.
456
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:34,450
actual people's lives are turned into a
story for us to consume.
457
00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:39,650
For example, with the love triangles of
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie and
458
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:44,450
Jennifer Aniston, and also with Liz
Taylor and Eddie Fisher and Debbie
459
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:45,750
in 1958.
460
00:35:47,590 --> 00:35:52,890
Each of the people in both of these
situations was given a role to play. The
461
00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:56,170
temptress, the innocent man in the
middle, and then the victim.
462
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,020
And once Jennifer Aniston was made the
victim, it's very difficult for her to
463
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:05,240
become something else. Which is the
reason why there's still magazine covers
464
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:09,300
now, years later, saying, you know,
Jennifer Aniston can't find love.
465
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:10,620
Aniston can't get over him.
466
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,060
Because that is still her role, is
victim.
467
00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:18,040
When really, she's of course found
happiness and she's dated other people
468
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,580
whatever. But that has been the role in
which she has been slotted.
469
00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:26,800
In the early days of Us Weekly becoming
successful, People magazine began to
470
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,380
feature more of these breakups and who's
dating whom.
471
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,240
And Us wanted to scoop people at
whatever cost so that they could claim
472
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,500
exclusive and thus attract bigger
newsstand sales.
473
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,860
There was this great photo of Jennifer
Lopez reading Us Weekly, and we wanted
474
00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:45,678
that shot.
475
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,280
But People magazine outbid us all day.
It kept going up and up and up and up.
476
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:55,120
People never published those photos, but
they paid tens of thousands of dollars
477
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,880
just so that we couldn't publish them.
478
00:36:57,180 --> 00:37:01,840
What happened is a series of bidding
wars for photos under Bonnie Fuller and
479
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,020
Janice Min after her. It really
escalated the photo price for all
480
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:11,980
Even small photos inside the magazine,
they still wanted to be the only ones
481
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:12,979
had them.
482
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:15,460
Bonnie Fuller flipped the demand.
483
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,440
So instead of just tracking the moments
when a star was either doing something
484
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,000
scandalous, or doing something that was
absolutely glamorous really on.
485
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:28,480
The paparazzi now needed photos of the
stars doing everything in between, which
486
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,320
meant, you know, near 24 -hour
surveillance.
487
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:45,900
Once you spot a car, you look at the
last three numbers of the license plate
488
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:46,900
match with the car.
489
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,120
Nikki Hilton, Black Range Rover.
490
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:54,580
Paparazzi know all the license plate
numbers. They know all the tailplane
491
00:37:54,580 --> 00:37:55,720
numbers of their planes.
492
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,140
They pay people off.
493
00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:03,900
Valet parkers, the doorman at hot
restaurants and clubs.
494
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,580
They have a network of informants.
495
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:26,380
Today, on the other hand, the character
is afraid of the photographer.
496
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:32,360
Today, the paparazzo is violent.
497
00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:41,960
The work is becoming a work of vultures,
498
00:38:41,980 --> 00:38:43,880
not of photographers.
499
00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:50,840
When you know you see one, you've got to
deal with one guy, and you hope and
500
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,080
pray that he doesn't start calling all
his friends, you know?
501
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,740
Within 15 minutes, there are five other
people who are there.
502
00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:02,960
Let the two guys get the shot and be
done with it. But why there has to be 50
503
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,420
people getting the same shot?
504
00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:09,040
If I saw someone I want to photograph
walk out of the house, I sure as hell
505
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,860
wouldn't call my buddies. Why not enjoy
the entire piece of steak?
506
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:15,260
I don't get the whole...
507
00:39:15,630 --> 00:39:17,990
Call friends and relatives and...
508
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:24,370
It's literally being pursued
509
00:39:24,370 --> 00:39:26,270
like prey, like an animal.
510
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:31,810
There's no kind of structure.
511
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:33,430
There's no type of regulations.
512
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:38,190
It's just, just get that picture. Get
that shot. I don't care what it takes.
513
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:45,190
They don't care about breaking the law.
514
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,100
They'll climb a wall and take pictures
over the gate.
515
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,360
They've done it at my office, in my
backyard.
516
00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:52,700
They do it at the helicopter.
517
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:58,480
You're in your backyard and the
helicopter's coming that low and you
518
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,540
running in and it's like a stupid game
of, you know.
519
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,160
Have you ever tried to reason?
520
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,820
Have I tried to reason? Oh my God, have
I tried to reason?
521
00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:13,340
I have.
522
00:40:13,450 --> 00:40:18,710
I've tried to reason with them. I've had
talks about, come on, there's better
523
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:23,390
things that you can do. You can achieve
your dream. I mean, it's stupid.
524
00:40:24,850 --> 00:40:26,610
It's just gotten out of control.
525
00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:37,890
There's certain instances where the
paparazzis are going to just overexcite
526
00:40:37,890 --> 00:40:38,890
themselves.
527
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:42,430
Cameras get broken. People get hurt.
528
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,320
The aggression, the hits, the elbows.
529
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,680
I try to avoid it.
530
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,340
But this is what it's all about. Get
that shot, no matter what.
531
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:07,220
I had a very public relationship that
fell apart, and I
532
00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:08,440
was diagnosed with breast cancer.
533
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,740
And I had never been an A -list
celebrity before.
534
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,120
I pretty much was this photograph on red
carpets and maybe the occasional lunch
535
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,120
at the Ivy or whatever.
536
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:21,860
But once that happened, once I was
diagnosed, and I was going through such
537
00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:27,200
unhappiness and such real dark chaos in
my life, I couldn't leave my house.
538
00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:31,840
It really made me, I guess...
539
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:38,130
start to dissect what it is that would
make that such an interesting thing to
540
00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:41,410
photograph, and is that what sells
magazines, is seeing somebody at their
541
00:41:41,410 --> 00:41:42,410
lowest.
542
00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:51,370
A word that has become absolutely
meaningless today is unspeakable.
543
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:53,970
There's nothing that's unspeakable
anymore.
544
00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:58,270
You know, stars sell you light. They
pump gas, too.
545
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:59,950
They're still a love triangle.
546
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,260
It's degrading the women, especially the
way they show women celebrities.
547
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:13,000
It's just like... I was in Hawaii, and I
have
548
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,640
this horrible bikini shot that a
paparazzi got, and crap light and a
549
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,880
angle, and it's terrible.
550
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,540
And it was everywhere, and they did
everything to make me look like I was
551
00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:26,540
peed.
552
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:32,330
Sally likes pie. It was just so bad. And
I was like, oh, my God, do I look like
553
00:42:32,330 --> 00:42:34,310
this? I have a little girl.
554
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:38,410
I don't read this in front of her. I
don't really read any of my magazines in
555
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:39,410
front of my daughter.
556
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:44,290
Because I don't want her to get that bad
body image at such a young age. And it
557
00:42:44,290 --> 00:42:48,830
happens really young. I've had little
girls as a teacher tell me they're fat
558
00:42:48,830 --> 00:42:49,749
four years old.
559
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:51,170
Where are you getting this from?
560
00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:55,870
I think the magazines and the media are
the catapult.
561
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,720
That's the breeding ground for that.
562
00:43:00,060 --> 00:43:06,000
Whether it be people, us, in style,
glamour, vogue, they all portray women
563
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,420
this untouchable goal.
564
00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:37,730
You can create the illusion that someone
is a normal, ordinary person.
565
00:43:39,130 --> 00:43:43,470
In other words, Joan Crawford vacuums
her own house. Or she has the perfect
566
00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:44,470
family.
567
00:43:45,110 --> 00:43:50,310
Or you can create the illusion that
they're aloof, aristocratic goddesses.
568
00:43:50,770 --> 00:43:53,910
But control was the name of the game.
569
00:43:55,650 --> 00:43:59,210
And the whole apparatus grew up around
that need.
570
00:44:00,650 --> 00:44:05,430
The studio system determined which movie
the stars would appear in.
571
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:11,990
It also determined where they would
live, what cars they would drive, and in
572
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:14,010
certain cases, who they would marry.
573
00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:18,890
It also provided them with protection.
574
00:44:19,210 --> 00:44:24,890
All of the images came through the
studio's publicity department.
575
00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:31,120
So if you were running a fan magazine,
And you ran a photograph, which was
576
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,500
unflattering. That was it. You didn't
get another photograph, not only of that
577
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:40,000
star, but of all of the other stars that
were working for that particular
578
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,000
studio.
579
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:48,640
If one of their stars was involved in a
scandal, the studio would rush right in
580
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,240
and do damage control.
581
00:44:50,540 --> 00:44:51,880
It could be hushed up.
582
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,680
So the control at that time was fairly
easy.
583
00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:58,800
It's just not the case anymore.
584
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:04,760
The mainstream media can say, we won't
report about X, Y, or Z, and it's still
585
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,220
going to be widely known because so many
are reporting it on the Internet.
586
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,400
So the kind of control that celebrities
and their managers and their studios
587
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,220
used to have over their images simply
does not exist anymore.
588
00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:25,980
TMZ is not about getting the next Tom
Cruise interview. It's just not.
589
00:45:26,430 --> 00:45:28,270
And so I don't think there's as much
leverage.
590
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:33,570
Harvey Levin got his start as a lawyer
and correspondent covering the O .J.
591
00:45:33,610 --> 00:45:39,110
Simpson trial in the 1990s. Police are
banking on blood in the Ford Bronco. He
592
00:45:39,110 --> 00:45:41,070
started TMZ in 2004.
593
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:46,650
And what TMZ is doing is taking the
tactics, the form, the color, the
594
00:45:46,650 --> 00:45:47,970
ethos of confidential.
595
00:45:48,590 --> 00:45:50,170
and just transferring it to new medium.
596
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:53,810
A little over half past the hour now.
Here's a look at the stories that you
597
00:45:53,810 --> 00:45:58,250
have missed. Lindsay Lohan. Cable news
pushed the network news to be faster and
598
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:59,250
more immediate.
599
00:45:59,450 --> 00:46:05,550
And now the network news and cable news
are in many ways responding to what
600
00:46:05,550 --> 00:46:06,550
happens on the Internet.
601
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:22,030
Media habits have totally changed. Ways
of getting information.
602
00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:24,990
People go online. They don't wait for
weekly.
603
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:27,050
They don't wait for a monthly magazine
anymore.
604
00:46:27,310 --> 00:46:30,630
When some news breaks, they want to know
now what's going on.
605
00:46:31,870 --> 00:46:35,190
Whenever something happens to Justin
Bieber, like his birthday was yesterday,
606
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:40,930
Google sent to my phone. Word passed and
got a new haircut, sent to my phone.
607
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:44,950
TMZ, just fascinating. I'm obsessed with
TMZ .com.
608
00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:46,630
In 2006,
609
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,300
TMZ broke the story of Mel Gibson's
arrest, which drove a tremendous amount
610
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:52,300
traffic to the site.
611
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,020
Since then, TMZ has grown into an
incredibly well -read site.
612
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:12,560
He then went on.
613
00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:16,880
who used the base product, this raw
footage from the website, and then came
614
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,260
with a way that he could repackage it on
television.
615
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:21,580
Today on TMZ.
616
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,100
Finally, Snooki is good.
617
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:25,880
Nicole, you're amazing at WrestleMania.
618
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,840
You did a great job. If you ask around
and you say, why do you come to TMZ?
619
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,760
Increasingly, what you're going to hear
people say is they seem to get the
620
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:35,760
stories first.
621
00:47:36,460 --> 00:47:38,120
When I was running MSNBC,
622
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,620
We would do our best to make sure the
source was credible, but these news
623
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:51,340
operations simply don't have the time or
the ability to fact -check some of what
624
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:52,340
they're reporting.
625
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:55,140
You know, that was a terrible misquote.
626
00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:01,100
And it's very good that you brought that
up. I never said that in that context.
627
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,340
He never talked to those people, and I
never talked to those people either.
628
00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:07,300
They make up things. Yeah, they do.
629
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,160
It's very tough, unfortunately, for a
celebrity to sue a publication.
630
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:15,640
You have to prove malice, you have to
prove negligence.
631
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,900
Also, a lot of celebrities don't want to
draw attention to a story that's
632
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:26,240
completely wrong or defamatory or give
publicity to some blogger who's working
633
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,240
out of his garage.
634
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,060
If you sue that person, suddenly you
make their site relevant.
635
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,380
I had a big famous lawsuit against the
Sun newspaper in Britain a long time ago
636
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:36,400
in the 80s, which...
637
00:48:36,970 --> 00:48:39,910
Drove me crazy. Went on for a year and a
half. They said that I slept with
638
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:44,070
underage rent boys, gave them drugs,
urinated on them. I mean, it made my
639
00:48:44,070 --> 00:48:45,070
hell.
640
00:48:45,330 --> 00:48:48,130
But I got a front -page apology, which
was the most important thing for me.
641
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:49,710
We were wrong. We're sorry.
642
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:54,480
Now people can just make up what they
want on the Internet, and as soon as
643
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,580
put it on the Internet, it goes
worldwide, so you're forever denying
644
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,660
They discourage you from going after the
tabloids. Like a lawyer will be like,
645
00:49:01,660 --> 00:49:05,880
it's going to cost you so much money,
and it's going to take so much time, and
646
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,200
it's not going to make a difference, and
nobody's going to care about the story
647
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,220
tomorrow, and they convince you to just
deal with it.
648
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,440
When all of a sudden you're hearing
rumors that are not true on a CNN crawl,
649
00:49:17,860 --> 00:49:19,920
that's sort of go, this is CNN.
650
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,140
You know, I don't take it personally at
this point, but there was something
651
00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:29,500
about the outlet of CNN that felt like
that's a prestigious, you know, channel.
652
00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:34,260
If you respond to certain things, you're
right in the sandbox with them. If you
653
00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:38,280
don't respond, the story now grows
because of the viral world and because
654
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,280
-hour news cycle.
655
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,440
So we're constantly trying to figure out
how to put out a fire.
656
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:48,660
A perfect example is Tiger Woods.
657
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,900
He didn't say anything. He issued a
statement that he had, quote,
658
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:55,640
and then he disappeared for months.
659
00:49:56,420 --> 00:50:02,140
Women came out of the woodwork, and it
ended up being a giant scandal because
660
00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:03,140
let it blow up.
661
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,980
Think of this as a system. Anything that
happens here also has a chain reaction
662
00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:12,080
throughout the rest of the industry,
like Tiger Woods, who we were being
663
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,020
a very tightly controlled image.
664
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,800
As soon as the scandal broke, you know,
a watch company or Nike doesn't want
665
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,160
their name affiliated with this sort of
behavior.
666
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:36,760
Until very recently, major news
organizations wouldn't have cited
667
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,000
a TMZ as a source.
668
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,820
And now they do.
669
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,680
There's something beyond just reporting
who's making out with whom.
670
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:49,960
Therein lies the love -hate relationship
that we have with someone like Levin.
671
00:50:50,540 --> 00:50:53,940
He's illuminating things that we maybe
don't want to know about that we also
672
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:55,040
feel we should know about.
673
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:59,760
But then on the flip side, there's a lot
of sagging flesh and giving the camera
674
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,760
the finger.
675
00:51:02,180 --> 00:51:07,660
So a blog will have unauthorized content
that may or may not be false. Maybe in
676
00:51:07,660 --> 00:51:10,400
a post right above or below journalistic
content.
677
00:51:16,270 --> 00:51:20,710
It's dictating that we learn how to do
our homework, not believe everything
678
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:23,390
we're reading in blogs because everybody
has an angle.
679
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:29,270
We're at a really dangerous spot as far
as our inability to discern what is fact
680
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:30,270
and what is fiction.
681
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:36,070
You have no choice but to believe what
you read.
682
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,400
Like this one. Yeah.
683
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,440
But it's probably not even true.
684
00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:47,120
And we'll read it. We'll still read it.
685
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,160
Yeah.
686
00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:58,200
You can't beat the truth of a camera.
And this is what the celebrities are
687
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,200
paranoid about.
688
00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:00,900
The camera doesn't lie.
689
00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:04,180
It doesn't stop the Botox. It doesn't
stop the surgery.
690
00:52:04,820 --> 00:52:07,640
And it doesn't stop you having sex with
a co -star.
691
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,840
This is real.
692
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,920
No one can lie about this picture.
693
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,320
It's there.
694
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,480
And that's one of the great historical
significances that photography and the
695
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,480
media bring today.
696
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,100
The problem is with the celebrities,
it's instantaneous.
697
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:22,520
They have no control.
698
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,700
Even when we're talking about authorized
photos, there's still a lot that
699
00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:27,840
celebrities can't control.
700
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,900
Pretty much how we receive things back
here.
701
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,320
Pretty much their entire body gets
retouched.
702
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:52,260
Well, you can kind of see here where it
asks to cut in.
703
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,000
We cut in.
704
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,560
We have to make sure that all the red
carpets match.
705
00:53:02,060 --> 00:53:03,120
And it doesn't.
706
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,400
So we're going to have to fix that some
other time.
707
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,520
The people in the background that you
see.
708
00:53:11,370 --> 00:53:14,470
are not really there or are duplicated.
709
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:17,110
We get rid of stains on her dress.
710
00:53:19,310 --> 00:53:22,590
And we try to get rid of the wrinkles.
711
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:28,470
Paparazzi shots need a lot more TLC than
a better photo that we get from a, you
712
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:31,250
know, a great photographer. That's
definitely a lot less work.
713
00:53:31,870 --> 00:53:35,130
And let's help her a little bit because
she looks a little tired.
714
00:53:35,970 --> 00:53:39,330
Sometimes we get photos that are, you
know, green.
715
00:53:40,330 --> 00:53:41,610
Yeah, but we can fix that.
716
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:48,770
The idea that a picture never lies is
simply not true.
717
00:53:49,550 --> 00:53:53,610
A picture captures somebody at a
particular moment in time.
718
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:58,170
A celebrity can tell a joke and pull a
face or something, and then when that
719
00:53:58,170 --> 00:54:01,810
person's in trouble, that image will
appear, and it'll look like it was shot
720
00:54:01,810 --> 00:54:04,290
the same time in reaction to something
that they've done.
721
00:54:04,770 --> 00:54:07,190
So images don't always tell the truth.
722
00:54:08,350 --> 00:54:10,670
It's the context. The context is very
important.
723
00:54:11,110 --> 00:54:15,070
So I think people need to be more
discerning when they're looking at
724
00:54:15,830 --> 00:54:20,470
Renée Zellweger is probably one of the
toughest shots to get because she
725
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:23,490
really come out and be seen as often as
we'd like her to be seen.
726
00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:40,450
I enjoy making her smile and laugh and
making her feel good, you know?
727
00:54:42,190 --> 00:54:46,030
Their life is about, you know, seeing
the public eye. Because if you're
728
00:54:46,030 --> 00:54:50,210
forgotten, then my camera goes down and
then the world doesn't know or even want
729
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:51,630
to care about who they are anymore.
730
00:54:52,170 --> 00:54:54,550
You know, you'll be gone in a flash.
It's called Hollywood.
731
00:54:59,230 --> 00:55:00,610
Who makes them famous?
732
00:55:00,850 --> 00:55:01,910
Well, actually, I do.
733
00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:03,490
They're reliant.
734
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:09,980
on the paparazzi to photograph them to
make them money. That's delusional.
735
00:55:10,580 --> 00:55:15,420
That is absolutely delusional.
Paparazzis do not keep your career
736
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:21,660
You know, we're not saying don't take
our pictures. We understand there's a
737
00:55:21,660 --> 00:55:28,160
market here, but a photograph of you in
your backyard sunbathing topless because
738
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,140
you can and you should be able to,
that's a violation.
739
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,600
And a photograph that's in a magazine,
there's an agreement that this is my job
740
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,860
and I'm to be photographed.
741
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,340
One is like having someone rob your
house and go into your panty drawer, and
742
00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:48,940
other is something artistic and
beautiful, and both are in agreement
743
00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:49,940
is going to take place.
744
00:55:50,540 --> 00:55:51,540
There's a difference.
745
00:55:53,020 --> 00:55:55,720
Vitamin Water Zero Hotline, this is
Ellen. How can I help you?
746
00:55:56,460 --> 00:56:00,740
As long as you're famous, you've become
an enormous commodity in this country.
747
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,920
And news is a business.
748
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:12,020
Newspaper entities need to sell papers.
749
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,140
Websites want traffic.
750
00:56:14,620 --> 00:56:16,720
Television networks want ratings.
751
00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:24,080
Increasingly, the way to get that is to
have an entertainment component.
752
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,480
Record -setting weekend. The tune of $30
million.
753
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:33,040
More than $155 million this opening
weekend. Every Sunday night, what's the
754
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,180
first item we see on the news? How much
money a movie made over the weekend?
755
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,700
Avatar is at the number one spot. I
mean, Avatar hit a billion, and it's
756
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:44,600
than the security breach at the airport.
757
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:45,960
It's bigger news.
758
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:47,240
Why?
759
00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:51,520
Nick Patton Walsh joining us live from
Kabul, Afghanistan. Many thanks.
760
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,120
She made sure he got the message. Wait
until you hear about Charlie Sheen. The
761
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:02,740
concept of hard news has really changed.
A lot of what used to be
762
00:57:02,740 --> 00:57:05,300
considered tabloid is now mainstream.
763
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,920
Frankly, they stop telling important
news about the world and they just tell
764
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:16,380
gossip. Maybe you need it. Like
sometimes you can only watch so many
765
00:57:16,380 --> 00:57:20,040
somebody's gotten stabbed like all day
long. And you know what I mean? Like
766
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,860
there's a flood here. There's an
earthquake there. Like maybe you kind of
767
00:57:23,860 --> 00:57:25,540
to know the new shirt that Brad Pitt's
wearing.
768
00:57:27,050 --> 00:57:30,350
Who doesn't like a good Hollywood escape
from time to time?
769
00:57:30,570 --> 00:57:37,010
There's an argument that celebrities act
as infotainment, actually
770
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:42,050
often helping issues of real concern
getting into the public domain.
771
00:57:42,350 --> 00:57:47,350
So, for instance, if tragically a
celebrity is ill with breast cancer or
772
00:57:47,350 --> 00:57:49,310
something like that, it does raise
awareness.
773
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,880
But there's concern on the other hand
that focusing so much on the minutiae of
774
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,960
how famous people live their lives is
just diverting attention from issues
775
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,260
the press should be filling their pages
with.
776
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:06,080
Sarah Palin, entertainment or
journalism?
777
00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:12,420
Sarah Palin is a very good example of
the way in which celebrity culture has
778
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:14,020
influenced politics.
779
00:58:17,390 --> 00:58:20,790
I mean, say what you will about Sarah
Palin. She has been brilliant in
780
00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:21,850
manipulating her image.
781
00:58:22,090 --> 00:58:25,830
What an adrenaline wreck. I think
there's real indecision over whether or
782
00:58:25,830 --> 00:58:28,710
Sarah Palin really wants to be president
or if she just wants to be a celebrity.
783
00:58:28,990 --> 00:58:29,990
I think it's unclear.
784
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:34,750
It certainly is the question that's
united Hollywood and Washington.
785
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:37,990
You know, democracy becomes another
reality show.
786
00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:41,230
Is Trump actually serious about running
for president?
787
00:58:42,450 --> 00:58:43,750
That's not good for anyone.
788
00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:53,630
If the mainstream media were to fold and
celebrity tabloids were the only people
789
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:59,350
out there publishing, it would mean that
our entire system of democracy has
790
00:58:59,350 --> 00:59:00,350
collapsed.
791
00:59:01,110 --> 00:59:07,630
Democracy relies on an informed
electorate to make educated decisions at
792
00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:08,630
ballot box.
793
00:59:08,910 --> 00:59:14,790
You can only do that if you have access
to truthful, timely information.
794
00:59:17,130 --> 00:59:19,730
The public has a lot of responsibility
here.
795
00:59:21,110 --> 00:59:24,390
The paparazzi doesn't get away with this
in a vacuum.
796
00:59:25,550 --> 00:59:31,070
So I think citizens need to step up and
start valuing that information they're
797
00:59:31,070 --> 00:59:32,730
getting from their local newsgatherers.
798
00:59:34,830 --> 00:59:37,210
This is the Paris Hilton story, okay?
799
00:59:37,470 --> 00:59:41,370
Hold on a second. I'm going to make a
point. We're not covering this, all
800
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:45,990
Yeah, exactly. I'm done with the Paris
Hilton story. What do you have against
801
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:49,730
Paris Hilton? I have nothing against
Paris Hilton. That was not the issue.
802
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:55,130
The issue was the story and whether or
not it was worthy as the lead that
803
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:56,130
morning.
804
01:00:09,930 --> 01:00:14,110
I think at this point it's getting to be
supply leading demand because, I mean,
805
01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:16,650
look at how many magazines there are
now.
806
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:18,170
Like, do we really need that?
807
01:00:18,990 --> 01:00:21,030
But people keep picking them up.
808
01:00:24,570 --> 01:00:27,630
I'll walk through an airport and
there'll be three out of four people
809
01:00:27,630 --> 01:00:31,410
this magazine and I'll walk through and
no one will notice me, which is great,
810
01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:34,130
but there is some irony there.
811
01:00:35,010 --> 01:00:37,670
And I understand it because I can get
sucked into it. I can spin.
812
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,860
20 minutes on an airplane and flip
through that stuff.
813
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:45,580
And I can be in that world, reading
about who's dating who or looking at
814
01:00:45,580 --> 01:00:47,220
somebody's cellulite on a beach or
whatever.
815
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,440
And it makes me feel awful.
816
01:00:55,380 --> 01:00:58,920
You know, the celebrities are famous
people. They know that.
817
01:00:59,420 --> 01:01:03,500
They work hard, I think, to become a
celebrity in the first place. And then
818
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:07,280
got their picture all over the magazine,
so I don't feel guilty at all.
819
01:01:07,770 --> 01:01:11,650
Plus, I'm buying the magazines. It costs
me a little bit of money to even buy
820
01:01:11,650 --> 01:01:14,170
the magazine, so I don't feel guilty.
821
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:17,930
It comes with your job. You asked for
this life.
822
01:01:18,530 --> 01:01:21,670
You wanted to be in the limelight, in
the spotlight, so deal with it.
823
01:01:22,190 --> 01:01:26,230
Yeah, you know, I kind of asked for this
life and kind of knew that this was
824
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:27,630
part of it that comes with it.
825
01:01:28,070 --> 01:01:30,790
But, I mean, the same way, you know, the
magazines make money, they make money
826
01:01:30,790 --> 01:01:33,430
for me. You know, they get the word out
that I have a record out there.
827
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:36,970
Put me in some light that hopefully
shines and people connect to and make
828
01:01:36,970 --> 01:01:37,970
want to hear my record.
829
01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:40,990
There's a price to fame.
830
01:01:41,810 --> 01:01:46,510
Are you willing to pay it? Yes. Part of
your job is promoting your work.
831
01:01:46,770 --> 01:01:50,850
But not... I don't think it's your job
when you're going to a yoga class.
832
01:01:51,070 --> 01:01:52,090
That's not your job.
833
01:01:52,410 --> 01:01:53,990
That's an invasion of privacy.
834
01:01:54,250 --> 01:01:55,370
And they need to stop.
835
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:58,290
Look, I have a great life.
836
01:01:59,410 --> 01:02:00,410
I...
837
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,460
Wouldn't trade myself even with the
paparazzi following me.
838
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,740
But not because I have a great life.
839
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,120
They should feel like they own it.
840
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,020
We represented Barbra Streisand for
many, many years.
841
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,100
And I got into the habit of carrying a
large...
842
01:02:29,690 --> 01:02:34,410
black umbrella, whether the weather
called for it or not.
843
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:39,990
And if I saw photographers coming
towards us, I would open the umbrella,
844
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:44,270
like two fools, we would walk down the
street with the umbrella in front of me,
845
01:02:44,330 --> 01:02:48,330
so the photographers would not take a
picture. She did not want a picture
846
01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:54,490
On the other hand, Frank Sinatra, who we
represented, controlled that part of
847
01:02:54,490 --> 01:02:55,490
his celebrity.
848
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:58,010
By never appearing in public.
849
01:02:59,770 --> 01:03:01,230
Sinatra wouldn't walk down the street.
850
01:03:02,110 --> 01:03:04,210
If he had to go from here to there, he
was in a car.
851
01:03:04,550 --> 01:03:07,550
Do you remember when we were in the
trunk of somebody's car trying to get
852
01:03:08,930 --> 01:03:09,930
In Gina's car?
853
01:03:10,190 --> 01:03:14,390
We were just laying in the trunk. I was
like, when did this happen? I wanted to
854
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:15,390
go shopping.
855
01:03:15,790 --> 01:03:19,210
I'm in the trunk with my girlfriend and
I'm like, this is your life?
856
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:22,830
There's nothing you can do about it? I
was like, I beg to differ.
857
01:03:23,370 --> 01:03:24,510
I beg to differ.
858
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:28,260
You feel out of control, like you have
no control over this, and then you
859
01:03:28,260 --> 01:03:30,380
realize, I have to actually change my
life.
860
01:03:31,060 --> 01:03:36,840
We've moved out of Miami. We've taken
measures to just, you know, sort of
861
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,020
concentrate on the quality of life.
862
01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:44,600
There's a lot of places where you can
live where there are not paparazzi.
863
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,780
You don't have to be in the public eye.
864
01:03:48,130 --> 01:03:52,730
There's ways to avoid the cameras and
then they'll say well, she's isolated.
865
01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:56,390
She lives a rarefied life She doesn't
know she doesn't have a human touch.
866
01:03:56,390 --> 01:04:00,470
not what I'm desperate to be like you
and you and you
867
01:04:20,690 --> 01:04:24,830
The problem always is that certain
celebrities invite in the attention.
868
01:04:25,330 --> 01:04:29,650
And so the response of the media is,
well, we're getting called.
869
01:04:30,010 --> 01:04:33,910
They should have an agreement. You know,
the reality, whether it's the Paris
870
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:39,330
Hiltons or the girls that don't have an
issue with it, the Jersey Shores, all of
871
01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:42,690
those television shows, there should be
an agreement. But that doesn't mean that
872
01:04:42,690 --> 01:04:46,730
everybody else is a free for all. What
could any guy want more than this?
873
01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:53,200
A lot of the time, they're told where to
be and when.
874
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,500
It becomes kind of a game.
875
01:05:04,020 --> 01:05:10,140
I'll just either tip you or they'll give
an information out indirectly what the
876
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:13,920
client won't even know just to build
more hype. They're supposed to. That's
877
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:14,920
their job.
878
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,680
You know, Twitter has become another
source.
879
01:05:20,740 --> 01:05:27,100
One time, we
880
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:32,500
had a source that was giving us
specific, incredible information. It was
881
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:34,660
as if it was coming from Angelina
Jolie's mouth herself.
882
01:05:35,180 --> 01:05:41,640
On when Pitt flew into Africa, private
little resort, we had three or four
883
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,720
minutes to get the picture that was
bought in an auction overnight by Us
884
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:46,720
magazine.
885
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,300
Unauthorized publicity definitely has a
role in maintaining a star's visibility.
886
01:05:53,780 --> 01:05:58,020
And I think that today, celebrities have
learned to allow just enough coverage
887
01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:02,420
so as to make it seem like you are, you
know, giving some of yourself, but at
888
01:06:02,420 --> 01:06:04,400
the same time maintaining a semblance of
privacy.
889
01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:09,560
I mean, someone like Brad and Angelina
have a really meticulously maintained
890
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:14,600
star image, but they also allow slight
moments of authenticity that make them
891
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:15,600
interesting.
892
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:23,580
Angelina Jolie knows exactly the moment
that you need to have this particular
893
01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:28,400
part of her persona exposed to the
world, this particular part of her life
894
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,320
exposed to the world. She's brilliant at
it.
895
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,520
You have to constantly be able to
reinvent yourself, and the ones who stay
896
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:41,080
before us really are the ones who, one
way or another, manage to do something
897
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,860
that keeps us interested and fascinated.
898
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,800
That, to me, smells celebrity double
standards.
899
01:06:48,140 --> 01:06:51,100
I don't agree with it. I think it's
completely and utterly wrong.
900
01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:56,040
Like Angelina and Brad Pitt say, under
my terms, I'll put my children on the
901
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:00,420
front of a magazine for $15 million, but
when you're photographing me in a
902
01:07:00,420 --> 01:07:05,500
public place, that's not on. I don't
understand that. That was a very
903
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:09,680
interesting case. We worked with them
for free. They wanted all the money to
904
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,140
to charities that worked perfectly.
905
01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:16,200
The value of an exclusive image is very
high because that baby or that wedding
906
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:17,640
hasn't been photographed before.
907
01:07:17,980 --> 01:07:23,080
So if we can work with the celebrities
and get those pictures out first, it is
908
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,760
massive disincentive to the paparazzi to
chase after them because they're not
909
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,900
going to get a lot of money for the
third picture of the baby when the first
910
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:32,280
pictures have been published everywhere.
911
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:36,840
Publicity.
912
01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:40,260
You know, it's a game played.
913
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,420
for the benefit of everyone involved, up
to a certain point.
914
01:07:46,660 --> 01:07:50,480
And that certain point is where it gets
dangerous.
915
01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:06,060
Drive out the garage, couple yards down
the street, one, two, three, four cars,
916
01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:09,060
they'd all be smoking cigarettes,
waiting for you to come out, jump in
917
01:08:09,060 --> 01:08:10,780
cars, and then you're off.
918
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:13,840
The main car runs a yellow light.
919
01:08:14,140 --> 01:08:18,240
Everybody behind that person, 10 cars,
is running lights until it turns green
920
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:23,180
again. Then you find yourself driving
kind of like crazy just to get away from
921
01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:26,640
them. One in the front, one in the back,
one on the side. You feel like a
922
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:27,538
trapped rat.
923
01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:30,380
It's a matter of playing chicken. Either
you're going to stop or you're going to
924
01:08:30,380 --> 01:08:31,380
crash into the car.
925
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,779
Nicole Richie, you know, was chased by a
paparazzi and got in a car accident.
926
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,240
Thank God her children are in the car.
927
01:08:58,340 --> 01:09:00,319
It can get really dangerous.
928
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:02,580
Look what happened to Diana.
929
01:09:07,790 --> 01:09:11,830
Reports say a vehicle carrying the
princess and her entourage was being
930
01:09:11,830 --> 01:09:12,830
by photographers.
931
01:09:13,069 --> 01:09:17,130
Several hours after the accident, French
emergency services were still at the
932
01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:19,270
scene cutting people from the wreckage.
933
01:09:23,850 --> 01:09:26,609
This is not a time for recriminations,
but for sadness.
934
01:09:27,330 --> 01:09:31,109
However, I would say that I always
believed the press would kill her in the
935
01:09:31,569 --> 01:09:35,130
But not even I could imagine that they
would take such a direct hand in her
936
01:09:35,130 --> 01:09:36,689
death as seems to be the case.
937
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,859
it would appear that every proprietor
and editor of every publication that has
938
01:09:41,859 --> 01:09:46,760
paid for intrusive and exploitative
photographs of her, encouraging greedy
939
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:51,060
ruthless individuals to risk everything
in pursuit of Diana's image, has blood
940
01:09:51,060 --> 01:09:52,060
on his hands today.
941
01:09:56,140 --> 01:10:00,020
Well, if the publishers had blood on
their hands today, so do the readers of
942
01:10:00,020 --> 01:10:01,020
those magazines.
943
01:10:02,260 --> 01:10:07,760
After the whole shock of her death,
People started putting flowers outside
944
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:13,380
Buckingham Palace and several legitimate
news photographers were assaulted
945
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:17,420
because they were taking photographs of
people putting the flowers down.
946
01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:24,420
The people who assaulted them were the
same people who had bought the magazines
947
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:29,400
that made her image a valuable
commodity.
948
01:10:31,660 --> 01:10:33,780
Photographers would not have chased her.
949
01:10:34,380 --> 01:10:36,880
if they couldn't have got good money for
those photographs.
950
01:10:37,660 --> 01:10:41,460
And it was the people who were buying
the magazines that was ultimately
951
01:10:41,460 --> 01:10:43,200
supplying that money.
952
01:10:45,260 --> 01:10:49,540
When Princess Diana died, there was this
sense of, wow, this is going to change
953
01:10:49,540 --> 01:10:52,540
everything. What was sort of the
immediate impact in England?
954
01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:58,860
I think media interest in Princess Diana
and particularly her death led to a
955
01:10:58,860 --> 01:10:59,860
change of culture.
956
01:11:00,270 --> 01:11:04,590
The commercial demand for those kind of
photos fell.
957
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:10,230
But unfortunately, in the last few
years, as the younger royals are
958
01:11:10,230 --> 01:11:14,890
join the family, the media interest in
them and the intrusion is escalating
959
01:11:14,890 --> 01:11:15,890
again.
960
01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:23,790
On the big day of viewing parties at
London's iconic Trafalgar Square. The
961
01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:27,950
moment the world was waiting for. The
first real chance at the royal wedding.
962
01:11:28,190 --> 01:11:32,450
Three minute walk into history. A
billion tears of eyes. On a fairy tale
963
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:33,870
recalling living and breathing.
964
01:11:34,230 --> 01:11:35,870
Echoes of Diana's I do.
965
01:11:36,150 --> 01:11:40,690
It reminds me so much of Diana. We have
got a new video.
966
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,820
What I love about teaching history is to
say, well this isn't the first time
967
01:12:02,820 --> 01:12:03,820
this has happened.
968
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:10,700
You can go back and show how it all
happened before.
969
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:28,450
We stopped with the motorcycles, we went
there, we helped to get out of the car,
970
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:34,170
and then we took the pictures.
971
01:12:35,670 --> 01:12:37,890
But this is a human sense.
972
01:12:39,330 --> 01:12:45,610
After Diana's events, they were
practically cancelled.
973
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,440
You wouldn't want to be called a
paparazzi.
974
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,960
I am a photojournalist.
975
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:22,080
It's an art.
976
01:13:24,180 --> 01:13:25,220
No, they're not journalists.
977
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:26,720
Paparazzi are people with a camera.
978
01:13:27,940 --> 01:13:32,080
Anyone can get a camera. You can go to
the drugstore and buy a disposable
979
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,960
camera. Now you're taking pictures.
You're all of a sudden this journalist.
980
01:13:35,420 --> 01:13:36,720
No way are they a journalist.
981
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:41,200
If they're allowed to do it, if they're
allowed to chase you, if they're allowed
982
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,400
to invade your privacy and they know
they're going to make money off of it.
983
01:13:46,650 --> 01:13:47,629
They're not going to stop.
984
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:51,270
If you're a photographer, take a decent
photograph. Go and learn your trade.
985
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:55,430
Make some beautiful photographs like
Irving Penn or something like that. What
986
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:57,850
you do is just crap. It's crap.
987
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:59,670
It must be frustrating.
988
01:14:00,650 --> 01:14:02,130
It must be frustrating.
989
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:07,570
What I think might be even more
frustrating is to never see a
990
01:14:07,570 --> 01:14:08,570
again.
991
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:17,650
Paparazzi are doing journalism.
992
01:14:18,030 --> 01:14:20,390
They are gathering information.
993
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:25,350
They are telling a story of some sort
and disseminating it to an audience.
994
01:14:29,150 --> 01:14:34,230
The First Amendment protects artists in
their ability to be creative and
995
01:14:34,230 --> 01:14:37,890
sometimes risque. And it also protects
the paparazzi.
996
01:14:39,150 --> 01:14:43,950
But it doesn't necessarily mean that it
protects against each and every action.
997
01:14:44,410 --> 01:14:46,510
There definitely are limits to free
speech.
998
01:14:46,770 --> 01:14:50,590
You don't get to publish false things
about somebody.
999
01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:55,250
You don't get to publish obscenity,
child pornography.
1000
01:14:55,670 --> 01:15:02,150
You do not get to invade someone's
privacy by shooting with a long
1001
01:15:02,150 --> 01:15:03,670
lens into somebody's bedroom.
1002
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:06,970
The Supreme Court has said you don't get
to do those things.
1003
01:15:08,590 --> 01:15:12,490
You tell me this kind of behavior is
covered by what...
1004
01:15:12,750 --> 01:15:14,870
Journalism should be covered, that's
just bull.
1005
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:21,430
These
1006
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:28,410
people
1007
01:15:28,410 --> 01:15:30,190
are behaving terribly.
1008
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:34,770
It's beyond rude and crude and
unacceptable.
1009
01:15:35,890 --> 01:15:40,890
But it's very hard to legislate good
behavior.
1010
01:15:41,550 --> 01:15:44,110
I'm not somebody for more laws and more
laws and more laws.
1011
01:15:44,490 --> 01:15:48,010
To see who can shoot a picture and who
can't and where they can put it and what
1012
01:15:48,010 --> 01:15:50,950
they can do. I mean, that's part of the
beauty of our society is the freedoms.
1013
01:15:50,990 --> 01:15:55,530
But there's got to be something that we
can stand up morally as a culture and
1014
01:15:55,530 --> 01:15:58,870
say, hey, that's not cool taking a
picture of that kid over there. Cut it
1015
01:16:00,950 --> 01:16:07,870
I love to walk my son to school because
it's the time of
1016
01:16:07,870 --> 01:16:09,010
day that he's very open.
1017
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,740
The whole world is interesting to him.
1018
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:18,680
And to have long lenses aimed at you,
purposefully getting in your, never mind
1019
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:23,640
your physical path, but your emotional
path, it's actually a scary feeling.
1020
01:16:25,020 --> 01:16:28,580
Like having sharpshooters aimed at you.
1021
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,200
The more intimate shots are the ones
that people criticize.
1022
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,660
Oh, why don't you leave them alone? But
there is a demand for it.
1023
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:48,280
We just shoot and submit them into the
library. It's up to the agencies, the
1024
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,060
publications, the TV networks, the
websites and blogs.
1025
01:16:55,780 --> 01:17:02,540
Wherever you read it or saw it, ask them
1026
01:17:02,540 --> 01:17:04,360
why do they publish it.
1027
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:08,520
Cute kids are popular, and celebrities
have a lot of cute kids. A lot of women
1028
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:09,880
love to look at cute babies.
1029
01:17:17,700 --> 01:17:20,920
Now they're having covers of these
magazines. It's like, who's the cutest
1030
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:21,920
Hollywood baby?
1031
01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:29,620
They haven't decided to become a famous
person, so you can't do that to them.
1032
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:35,860
There are so many outlets now to sell
pictures of celebrity kids, and there's
1033
01:17:35,860 --> 01:17:40,340
much money to be made in it. You can't
even argue with somebody about the
1034
01:17:40,340 --> 01:17:41,179
of it.
1035
01:17:41,180 --> 01:17:44,680
You know, I can't explain to somebody,
I'm a high -profile person, but my son
1036
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,660
isn't, and just because he's with me,
it's not like a handbag. You know, he's
1037
01:17:48,660 --> 01:17:52,520
person. And it's worrisome. You know,
it's really worrisome.
1038
01:17:54,180 --> 01:17:55,640
Stop. Stop.
1039
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,120
Stop. How's your day going, Brittany?
1040
01:17:58,560 --> 01:17:59,560
Stop.
1041
01:18:00,460 --> 01:18:04,580
You ever flash these lights at my kid
again, I'm going to push your face to
1042
01:18:04,580 --> 01:18:08,840
back of your head. Hey, back, get back,
back, back, back. That includes you.
1043
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:09,920
Yeah, I know, I know.
1044
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,040
Stop it.
1045
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:13,500
It's yours.
1046
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:15,620
Stop taking pictures.
1047
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,040
Stop it.
1048
01:18:17,980 --> 01:18:18,980
I'm not kidding.
1049
01:18:19,260 --> 01:18:21,520
I don't care if you want to put it on my
face.
1050
01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:23,380
Stop taking pictures.
1051
01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:26,340
Stop it.
1052
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:31,620
The thought is, devastating to me. It's
frightening.
1053
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:33,320
Terribly frightening to me.
1054
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:37,500
Wow, it really just made me really upset
to think about that, right? I mean, to
1055
01:18:37,500 --> 01:18:44,400
have someone following your children
is... It's entering a place that no
1056
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:45,400
one should be.
1057
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,620
Leave children out of it. They didn't
ask to be famous, and they have their
1058
01:18:52,620 --> 01:18:53,620
rights, too.
1059
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,220
You know, the kids ought to be doing the
suing.
1060
01:18:56,970 --> 01:19:00,050
And that might be a way legally to get
some traction on it.
1061
01:19:01,930 --> 01:19:06,090
There are very different laws of privacy
via the English courts than the
1062
01:19:06,090 --> 01:19:07,090
American courts.
1063
01:19:07,570 --> 01:19:12,930
J .K. Rowling brought proceedings on
behalf of her very young son, and it was
1064
01:19:12,930 --> 01:19:17,430
held that her son had a reasonable
expectation of privacy, that he wouldn't
1065
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:19,890
followed around by photographers on the
street.
1066
01:19:20,250 --> 01:19:23,430
in the same way that any ordinary child
wouldn't be photographed by the
1067
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:28,030
paparazzi. And it was a landmark case
because it established that the children
1068
01:19:28,030 --> 01:19:32,710
of famous people should be treated in
the same way as the children of ordinary
1069
01:19:32,710 --> 01:19:37,130
parents. A three -year -old suing me in
court, I think, is wrong. I mean, I
1070
01:19:37,130 --> 01:19:38,350
think it's absolutely ridiculous.
1071
01:19:39,470 --> 01:19:43,730
The fact of the matter is, the J .K.
Rowling case, I didn't lose the case.
1072
01:19:43,730 --> 01:19:46,770
was just given the right to go to a
trial. But it was, you know, you take on
1073
01:19:46,770 --> 01:19:49,270
world's richest woman, and, you know, it
was David and Goliath.
1074
01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:52,630
In France, they can't take a picture of
my child. It's illegal.
1075
01:19:53,630 --> 01:19:57,430
It's night and day if you compare Paris
to Los Angeles or New York.
1076
01:19:59,510 --> 01:20:03,590
Here in the United States, probably any
judge under the law is going to say,
1077
01:20:03,710 --> 01:20:08,090
hey, no, you don't get to follow them
wherever. You know, the very first case
1078
01:20:08,090 --> 01:20:14,010
out there, Jacqueline Kennedy had a
lawsuit against Ron Galella because she
1079
01:20:14,010 --> 01:20:17,610
concerned for the safety of Caroline and
young John.
1080
01:20:18,060 --> 01:20:23,500
And she was able to get it declared in
New York that he had to stay a certain
1081
01:20:23,500 --> 01:20:26,460
distance away from those children.
1082
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:33,860
Since then, there's pretty much been a
truth around presidential children.
1083
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,380
But I think it's a little bit different
from what children of celebrities
1084
01:20:38,380 --> 01:20:39,380
experience.
1085
01:20:43,740 --> 01:20:46,420
I remember it was night.
1086
01:20:47,470 --> 01:20:48,730
And it was really cold.
1087
01:20:50,130 --> 01:20:53,790
So imagine the flashes on a baby that's
like two months, three months old.
1088
01:20:54,590 --> 01:21:00,310
So I told my mom, take her. And when
they were taking my picture, they were
1089
01:21:00,310 --> 01:21:03,550
over. They didn't care. They pushed the
baby. They pushed the baby. It nearly
1090
01:21:03,550 --> 01:21:04,550
went to the floor.
1091
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:07,410
And then, of course, I charged after the
photographer.
1092
01:21:08,770 --> 01:21:13,650
I made sure the baby was okay. And I was
just so angry.
1093
01:21:13,870 --> 01:21:15,470
My child could have had it.
1094
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,120
A really serious accident.
1095
01:21:17,420 --> 01:21:21,100
I mean, when you're two or three on the
street, he could have stepped on her.
1096
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,200
That just ought to be illegal.
1097
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:24,680
It's a little criminal.
1098
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:31,440
There should be certain rules, I think.
1099
01:21:35,740 --> 01:21:40,400
I just feel like it's an invasion of
privacy and that these kids really don't
1100
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,200
need that kind of attention at this
point in their lives.
1101
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:49,020
Even if their mum or their dad is the
famous one, it doesn't give them the
1102
01:21:49,020 --> 01:21:51,800
paparazzi no right. The children have
nothing to do with it. Yeah, but that's
1103
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,500
what everyone wants to see. Everyone
wants to see their kids, don't they?
1104
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:56,180
but they do it. I suppose.
1105
01:21:56,700 --> 01:21:57,700
True. Yeah.
1106
01:21:58,500 --> 01:22:03,280
It's kind of sad, but it makes me more
interested in what the kids are doing
1107
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,740
because that's a new generation of
celebrities coming up.
1108
01:22:19,340 --> 01:22:25,740
The public has to take some degree of
responsibility and demand that
1109
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:29,160
these sort of photographs not be
published.
1110
01:22:29,700 --> 01:22:36,440
That they put pressure, economic,
political, social pressure on media
1111
01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:38,280
entities to say, we don't want this.
1112
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:39,960
We won't have it.
1113
01:22:48,140 --> 01:22:49,140
No, we are working.
1114
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:51,040
Wow.
1115
01:22:58,700 --> 01:23:04,080
I took a total of 289 pictures today.
1116
01:23:07,180 --> 01:23:12,100
Here at Us Weekly, we get about 750 ,000
to a million images a month.
1117
01:23:13,180 --> 01:23:16,180
The images are coming at us from all
different angles.
1118
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:21,260
And anybody whose eyes are working will
see about a thousand images a day. We
1119
01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:25,200
should be asking ourselves, what's
happening in this photo? Where it was
1120
01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:26,380
When it was taken?
1121
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:28,640
Context is everything.
1122
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:35,400
We are drenched and piled over with
media coverage.
1123
01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:40,060
I'm not going to say it's good for us or
bad for us.
1124
01:23:41,460 --> 01:23:42,980
It is what it is.
1125
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:45,780
And we're going to have to make the best
of it.
1126
01:23:48,430 --> 01:23:52,810
We watch tabloid magazine television
shows, and we buy the magazines, and
1127
01:23:52,810 --> 01:23:53,930
invested in reality TV.
1128
01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:59,910
But we don't have an interconnectedness
that is personal, where we're sitting in
1129
01:23:59,910 --> 01:24:00,910
front of each other.
1130
01:24:02,530 --> 01:24:05,450
It's become the disease of our culture,
celebrity.
1131
01:24:16,379 --> 01:24:19,720
We are complicit in the driving of this
industry.
1132
01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:24,620
It's something that we should think
about, we should analyze, and what we
1133
01:24:24,620 --> 01:24:27,100
to actually enact change is action.
1134
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:32,160
Be aware.
1135
01:24:33,620 --> 01:24:36,740
Don't be naive about where these
pictures are coming from.
1136
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,540
They sell it because there's a market
for it.
1137
01:24:42,380 --> 01:24:44,360
Consider where you're going to place
value.
1138
01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:48,700
We don't have to watch it. We don't have
to read it.
1139
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:52,540
I've been guilty of it myself.
1140
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,380
I try to be a little more conscious of
it. Like, if you're going to have fun
1141
01:24:55,380 --> 01:24:58,200
and, you know, see what's going on in
the celebrity world, you should at least
1142
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,440
be a little more conscious about what's
going on in the real world.
1143
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,220
Somebody in the Army or Marines, that's
celebrity.
1144
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:09,980
Doctors that save lives, teachers.
1145
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,580
Cops, firefighters, you know, that's a
celebrity.
1146
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,600
You want to really get down to it.
1147
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:26,620
All I wanted when I got into this
industry was make some money, make a lot
1148
01:25:26,620 --> 01:25:28,500
money, make history.
1149
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,520
Tomorrow, wake up, get out there, do it
again.
1150
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,800
What's your opinion on the
1151
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:35,040
paparazzi?
1152
01:27:04,099 --> 01:27:06,840
Like, Jesus Christ could have come back.
1153
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,400
After a few thousand years, forgive us
of all our sins. Somebody get a picture,
1154
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:13,900
put it on TMZ. The first comment would
be, Jesus is a fucking douchebag.
1155
01:27:14,340 --> 01:27:15,340
You know what I mean?
1156
01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:18,480
Desire.
1157
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:22,160
Someone's glad they ain't fucking with
me, that's all.
1158
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,940
Can I run one over now? Is that against
the law? Did I get their point for that?
1159
01:27:27,220 --> 01:27:31,740
If I pick three or four, especially the
big guy, I gotta get like five points
1160
01:27:31,740 --> 01:27:32,740
from him, right?
1161
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,820
My wife got papped at JFK last night.
1162
01:27:44,140 --> 01:27:47,700
Well, if you're blonde with a Louis
Vuitton bag, they were right in her
1163
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,640
She goes, he was right in my face.
1164
01:27:50,860 --> 01:27:53,800
And then just walked away like nothing
happened.
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