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this is a film about drugs about taking
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drugs and getting off drugs nowadays I
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don't drink or take drugs
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but a little bit cool a little bit more
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Twix are sort of income Jesus 10 years
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ago though I'll come get up the cannabis
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booze acid speed coke crack smack that's
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heroin
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I take drugs every single day
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started being afraid of the fact that
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you could die
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I remember you saying in six months time
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you were going to be dead in prison or
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in a lunatic asylum yeah I'm hearing
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that figure to know what sounds heavy
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his heart breaking is a mum when you
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bought innocent beautiful little child
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into the world see that happen
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I got clean at the age of 27 the age amy
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winehouse was when she died
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Amy's death was a paradoxical
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unsurprising shot I felt like I could
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have done something 12 to give her the
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chance I am that's why I made this film
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to have a sympathetic look at our
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collision and addiction a condition that
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the World Health Organization regards as
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a disorder that program any of us are
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toxic individuals to be around there for
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our family for society at large for
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ourselves
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I reckon that drugs and alcoholism a
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much misunderstood in our country by
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users non users and the government we
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need to start regarding addiction in all
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its forms as a health issue as opposed
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to a judicial and criminal issue in this
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film I want to learn more and see if we
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could do things differently I don't make
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no difference to me the money the fame
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the power the sex the women none of it
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I'd rather be a drug addict if I didn't
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have my program I'd be a drug addict
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today
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like I loved her on the basis of a full
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sheet was really really brilliant and
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that I recognized this person's got it
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this person has got the fame he's not
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happy she's outraged this person she
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drank a glass of champagne and threw it
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over her shoulder I mean I can help mate
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we're doing that for children I did it
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to impress you well done I heard them
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she was something smoking fags and
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flicking him still lit around this room
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and I got the sense of a ticking clock
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thing and spoke to a few other people
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about like haters need to do something
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everyone said they saw it coming but
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hoped it would never happen amy
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winehouse who publicly struggled with
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drink and drug addiction for years who's
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found dead at her home in Camden this
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afternoon
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that since I had with Amy that feeling
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of ah I knew that was going to happen
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you know and I just suppose for some
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reason because of this flickering sense
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I had while I while Amy was alive that I
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should be doing saying about that
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so that's where Amy live to then Mitch
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and dive yeah top left farm crew these
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are some of the tributes that are left
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it you see though I don't approve of
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right countries but you can see that
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really made this into a shrine I mean in
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the last six weeks of her life five and
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a half weeks were sober then finally the
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last two days where she drank an awful
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lot so things were moving in the right
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direction but you know not fast enough
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obviously wrongly she she didn't filter
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that the rehab was for her she's
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obviously she made that fucking
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clearance here from 2009 December she
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was clear of drugs of course what
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happened she didn't deal with the
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underlying addiction problem and then
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finally it was the alcohol should we
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have a quick look at amy winehouse
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singin errata let's say hello to Amy
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alright love I think our hair wall was
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finished
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no let's forget this half here paste
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between you and me now let the war be
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over
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you ain't pissed are you love not yeah
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that's why I feel guilty in it because I
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am alcoholic junkie that got clean and I
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in do you know I wasn't able to do
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anything you know you feel guilty
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because of that fear it's about Amy she
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had the power her has to stop drinking
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she was moving in that direction what
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she was doing was dangerous her it's her
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responsibility nobody else's we've got
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to get this message across that having
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an addiction is an illness it needs to
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be treated just like any other illness
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and until we adopt that attitude in this
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country we're not going to get anywhere
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whatever anyone could have done for Amy
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now one thing is for sure no one can do
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anything she's dead but there's millions
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of other people suffering on the same
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part of a clothes of people that are
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going to die if they don't stop taking
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drugs and drinking when it ain't
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necessary it's like difficult for the
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individual it's difficult for the family
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it's detrimental for society and it's
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completely unnecessary because there is
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a solution
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we met and we were like oh we're gonna
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shape the world we're gonna do this
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we're gonna do that we're gonna have a
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TV show Wow and within a year we had a
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TV show so what if I do a brief dance
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for some broccoli Myanmar tea you know
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at a half-ass hairbrained production
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company back when I was a junkie this
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poor sod suffered horribly as my
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alcoholism and addiction accelerated my
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loopy behavior complete nudity it's
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gotta be worth I'm thinking a color
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flower because I've got humerus testes
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and there's a resemble a cauliflower Wow
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everything we wanted we did it and we're
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like what 25 and then suddenly things
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didn't work anymore and do do the ideas
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didn't come anymore you were just gone
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all the time taking drugs
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I found this I went to my grandma's
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house where I'd hidden their way just
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pieces one of those things that I just
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never wanted to see again
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I remembered after you chunky
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this is a finger ionizer disease
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whenever I see it as a matter that like
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I was a bear in that flat in Hackney and
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now I'm in the Savoy Hotel I'm jealous
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of me we were just completely lost and
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we started being afraid of the fact that
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you could die and I've been 8 o'clock in
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the morning I remember drinking a bottle
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of gin that morning you walk up and
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you're like I got a drink this I go dig
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this and exploded everywhere it's life
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in one moment they sacked you as a
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result of that and I know you lost your
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flat where you lived in Bethnal Green so
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you can't afford to pay for anymore and
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those consequences of my actions you
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know of which there you know this wolf
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so many so many they're just people
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being less of them what my mum would
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have gone through loads of put my
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friends all through sort of so much
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we've got no bridge to you dealing with
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those kind of problems because or the
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only problem you can contend griffeys I
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can't cope we've been alive and I have
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drugs so what we're gonna do
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it's a greedy disease it'll take
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everything first it will take your money
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then he'll take your friends and it will
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take your family your car your house
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then it's gonna take bits of your body
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and I used to near be scoring with
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people that add eyes missing limbs
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missing its take it until it takes your
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life it'll take everything until it alot
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till its last being left and you'll
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gladly give it that rather than give up
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the chance I'm a recovering drug addict
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and know that drug addiction is an
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illness it's a disease he says he's not
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responsible for his own drug taking
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people do it because they want to come
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from rich Western kids selfishly
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following their pledges Russell Brand I
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think you're being called a selfish kid
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there certainly is are you responsible
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for your actions or are you not do you
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take drugs that have to or because I
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want to people of course are responsible
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their actions you're responsible for
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right in for a big nickname are you
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Joseph
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I understand people who don't regard it
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as a disease even people like Peter
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Hitchens because drug addicts are
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extremely annoying people to be around
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they're selfish impatient egotistical
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self-destructive demanding total pains
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in the ass
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Here I am with one now my mate Paul I
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used many many different drugs different
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substances you know all right
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cannabis effective in speed cocaine LSD
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ecstasy crack cocaine heroin valium
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still the weekend trip to lean you know
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painkillers prescribed and prescribed
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legal illegal oh I'll get a picture up
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so he asked more when did you he now
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spends a lot of his time helping other
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addicts so I asked him to take me to
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meet Nathan a young lad suffering from
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the disease why you spending time with
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his Nathan character he's 23
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oh no which I was pretty pretty young
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and he's an example of how addiction
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runs right in his family give me a
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cuddle before his last we're on the
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right track
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Nathan I'll be encasing sauce free but
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grew up with my auntie didn't have my
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I'm undead in my life and well they
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better both OD damn heroin
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sorry fucking head out that that's a
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knee here is my ear definitely some been
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a big burden on my life I think about
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everyday what I dress dear yeah
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definitely like we move on average every
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three months was in care that happened
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for about two years of selfing I moved
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there and get was like something like 23
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times I've counted over three year
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period
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no stability you weren't thinking drugs
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because it was fun or something what it
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was more about for me was taking drugs
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because it was basically it I didn't
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have a lock I didn't have a family
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dinner Hales on me I was on
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and the drug was there for me that drug
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was there for me when I was down that
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drug was definitely when I had made food
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in my kitchen I drug was there for me
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when I had nothing to wash my clothes
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with so you know what if I was depressed
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I'd do some drugs if I was ill IDs from
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Joe expired no one to speak to I'd do
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some drugs it was definitely for
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everything Russell we all have different
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stories don't we but all of us everyone
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you talk to will say there's a sense of
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sadness inside a thing that you're
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trying to fill up yeah okay yes it's
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always there yeah you'll never get rid
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of it by doing drugs it it might work
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for the start but that feeling inside I
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still have it now spirits Russell mate
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is there something Nathan and I have in
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common that explains why we both became
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addicts is it an illness or are me and
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Nathan and homeless junkies just a bunch
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of spoiled selfish millionaires you
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could professor David Nutt that's my
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name that's an amazing name yeah well
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what else could I be other than a
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psychiatrist
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Maryna time identity other than a
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character include oh because I said not
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in the lab with a brain scan but that
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was a good one to get a professional and
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expert insight I visited a man I call
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the Nutty Professor and we scan their
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brains he used to be a government drug
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czar bloody stupid term he researches
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addiction here I Imperial College London
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we're doing the most sophisticated study
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ever done on addiction how because what
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we're doing is we're taking people with
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addictions to alcohol or heroin or
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cocaine and we're scanning them in that
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scanner to understand what's different
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about their brain compared with other
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people say like Peter Hitchens the
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journalist and a lot of people I think
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believe that addiction is a thing that
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people just sort of do people just take
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drugs for a laugh because they're weak
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like and obviously I don't think that
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but is there neurological or at least i
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catch psychiatric evidence that this
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addiction is a legitimate condition
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unquestionably addiction that's got
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something to do with the brain
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most people take drugs almost everyone
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in this country drinks alcohol at some
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point in their life but only 10% get
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addicted and that 10% are different and
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they're different because their brain is
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different our experience tells us the
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addiction occurs usually through one of
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three things one is it people get
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stressed when you're stressed you
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activate parts of your brain I've just
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showed it up here to this part of the
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brain here which we call the amygdala
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the amygdala reactors this dress exactly
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any some people it reacts excessively to
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stress and we know that drugs like
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alcohol can dampen that down and so many
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people become dependent on alcohol
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because they use it to reduce stress the
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second is that people get pleasure they
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start to do something which is enjoyable
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and then they start to take the drug to
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reinforce that that goes to another part
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of the brain that comes in this part of
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the brain here it's an area of the brain
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which has a lot of the transmitter
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called dopamine dopamine gets you going
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in the mornings but if you don't have if
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you don't means not working then you're
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stiff and flat and the third is that
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some people are just very impulsive
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impulsivity is actually a very
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straightforward behavior which we can
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model in in animals for instance and it
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turns out that when you have a very
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impulsive rap it has alterations of the
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dopamine system in the brain what you do
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is you if you tell them that when a
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light comes on they will get a reward if
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they put a lever light goes on
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five-second white food the impulsive rat
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can't wait for five seconds I just got
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fucking it always maggots exactly 23
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seconds there you go and you can find
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that about 10 percent of rats are very
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impulsive and those rats are interesting
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because they like cocaine you give them
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cocaine they take a lot more than the
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other rats because they have a
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deficiency of dopamine they have an
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inherent deficiency of dopamine which
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this cocaine redresses exactly so it
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fits exactly with the human situation
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well the thing is when you set that in
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like many laughs out of identification
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that I know that life I remember from
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just when I was a kid if someone goes
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like they've just got wait a little
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while Russell but know why like it was
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inconceivable to me to do that like a
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pain like a roaring existential pain
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that I would not tolerate
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and it's that rat-like reaction to drugs
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that makes me one of the 10% of the
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population that cannot use them
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recreation time takes cigarette butt sir
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then your mouth after 11 years of using
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drugs
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my life was in chaos I was broke in debt
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and unemployable cigarette butt what
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fortunately I met John Knoll who
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physically forced me to go to rehab
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there is look Aparna me back
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you kept chucking that ball against my
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office wall and I thought he's gonna be
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a real annoying fucker to work with yeah
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but he's good and you were wrong about
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the first thing but you were right about
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the second and I guess it was that Chris
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your Christmas party and I was using
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gear in the toilet Louis over the foil
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and everything you poor sap mate Oh
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fucking I was a heroin are you got a bit
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of a problem
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yeah do you know me look around about
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yeah cuz I couldn't stop I knew I
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couldn't stop I didn't want to stop
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really then we're going good for me even
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though you didn't then out victorious I
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remember this is the very chair actually
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that I was saying I like you know
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getting that information you're a drug
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addict it's serious for you and if you
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don't stop now in six months time you're
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gonna be dead in prison or in a lunatic
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asylum
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do you want to come to treatment I went
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no way and you ain't fought that you're
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going it that was the decision Mikey -
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you didn't really have much of a choice
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weren't any many options for you except
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getting on the trains are very same
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Edmonds
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focus 12 is a charity rehab I first
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entered this building in December 2002
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on Friday the 13th whose booty ship
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summers the man who runs it told me the
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whole treatment process would take seven
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weeks that was alike it actually took 12
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during this free months of he'll they
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tricked me into not using or drinking
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one day at a time I have your photograph
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from the mission you can see quite
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clearly that your stunts is a person on
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drugs yes and dare I say it
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gorgeous no I think you look rather
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gaunt and Haggard actually David looking
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at me a while oh very good it eyes
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hahaha
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arrived confused vulnerable erratic
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found it hard to stick to a timetable
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still happening you had gone into a life
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of dependency and if you'd carried on
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like that the end result of that
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lifestyle is really an absolutely shit
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existence although chip may look like a
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responsible bureaucrat now he is in fact
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a junkie he was a heroin addict for
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eighteen years always in and out of
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prison homeless for seven years and
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three times ended up on a life-support
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machine I think there's a real attitude
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that you got yourself into this
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you know it's your choice you got
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yourself into it pay the price actually
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there's not a single person who walks
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through that door who set out to be
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destroyed the way they are to become
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addicted and dependent but whatever sort
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of joking around that you did there was
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within you a real draw you wanted to get
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better this is about the group when we
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come in in the morning and have to write
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your daily diary and there's a rota and
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stuff like people have to do jobs and
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contribute and that's what like a lot of
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it easiest lights or I think it's
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learning again to be --have socially and
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responsibly I hate it I hate it up into
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another right you've got do this clean
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in a sector that oh but it's really good
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for you to learn in basic things this
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gardens a lot better than when I was
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here as well
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Oh drug addicts there that film them
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down there and I name it compromised but
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a glance tells you we're talking about
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scum of the earth it's weird because you
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know they only want to help you but like
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it's still sort of CMS adversary's
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because really all you want to do is
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drink and take drugs the last thing you
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want to do is I cut off bill lonely and
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sad and I don't have to talk to people
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when I'm angry and hurt and that they
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all they want to do is talk about that
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stuff the whole time they're bringing
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that up consistently so it's like
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someone's prodding you in the most
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painful place because that you have to
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learn to do what I said because if you
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don't know how to deal with a stuffy
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only other solution is to drink or take
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drugs that's the only solution this is
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the arse end of the mollycoddling things
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like me are therapy here they still do
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up for fear they said you give examples
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of how drug addiction and alcoholism and
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behavior has hurt other people and sort
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of that not probably never and there you
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go oh love my mum
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I learned the impact of my addiction on
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myself did and impacting my addiction on
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the people that I love and the likely
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consequences of my continual using I
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understood that for the first time
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this very spot was where I sat when I
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liked after 12 weeks like I would
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graduate you terrified of leaving of
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going back to London so grateful and
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happy I'm overwhelmed by what new clues
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for me that when you're a drug addict
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the idea of not taking drugs is
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inconceivable there's such a profound
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spiritual change that takes place
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because you'd like you start to
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integrate the human being all these
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things that you're not dealing with what
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initially comes of servicing is
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terrifying and settling and awful but
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once you know it's the beginning of a
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lifelong journey of doing things
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differently staying clean one day at a
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time works for me
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but the problem for addicts in Britain
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today is that it's a treatment that over
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ninety percent of sufferers cannot get
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access to they aren't enough
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rehabilitation places
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I don't think abstinence treatment is
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really regarded very highly I think it's
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seen as the kind of end of the road for
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very extreme cases because the argument
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is very much that you know we have a
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response to the drug problem it's called
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methadone addict like these at Focus 12
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have been prescribed the legal drug
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methadone for years to take every day as
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a heroine substitute about ten years ago
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it became the government's main method
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of treating addicts what the government
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hoped was if they gave addicts methadone
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they'd stop committing crime to get
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money for drugs and they'd also stop
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sharing needles and getting HIV which is
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a nice idea also it's probably cheaper
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oils on a photographer 15 years that
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Hill is a long time it's meant to reduce
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crime and it's meant to reduce your
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addiction but come on I'm an addict so I
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abuse that just as much as your abuse
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drugs it's harmful if not more harmful
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my opinion why felonious worse why not
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just consider why started to come off
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it's more addict difficut into it what's
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your way because whatever you are
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patterns they say but it costs more
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money and it's not dealing with a
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problem we got always like this what
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deals you be and deals with us me for
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though you going to carry to go I'll see
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you later okay what helps that for an
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addict over the last ten years the
542
00:23:12,028 --> 00:23:16,528
argument has been put forward by the
543
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:19,019
National treatment agency that we are
544
00:23:16,528 --> 00:23:21,679
being successful we are keeping people
545
00:23:19,019 --> 00:23:24,210
off the streets we are maintaining them
546
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:26,100
stabili on methadone what are you going
547
00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:29,250
to do with it everything ID that comes
548
00:23:26,099 --> 00:23:31,109
along just Park them on methadone and it
549
00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:33,058
doesn't understand addiction either if
550
00:23:31,109 --> 00:23:35,189
you're an addict or an alcoholic you
551
00:23:33,058 --> 00:23:36,599
want to get completely stoned you want
552
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:39,808
to get completely erect you don't want
553
00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:41,808
to be stable nobody starts a piss-up to
554
00:23:39,808 --> 00:23:45,690
get stable
555
00:23:41,808 --> 00:23:49,980
I'm gonna get a so fucking stable and I
556
00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:53,009
I'm gonna shit me angry they want to get
557
00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:55,259
rekt yeah so to to give them enough
558
00:23:53,009 --> 00:23:57,629
drugs you either give them enough tries
559
00:23:55,259 --> 00:23:59,369
to get rekt which is just ridiculous or
560
00:23:57,630 --> 00:24:03,210
you don't give them enough and they use
561
00:23:59,369 --> 00:24:04,798
on top so you know and why are you
562
00:24:03,210 --> 00:24:06,720
colluding with something that is such an
563
00:24:04,798 --> 00:24:07,980
incredibly poor life decision on
564
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,329
methadone you've got no chance
565
00:24:07,980 --> 00:24:11,849
of an outcome other than somebody's
566
00:24:09,329 --> 00:24:13,439
still on methadone but why should we
567
00:24:11,849 --> 00:24:16,319
trust ship summers remember those
568
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:21,929
pictures of him doing heroin he runs a
569
00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:23,189
rehab and is probably biased let's speak
570
00:24:21,929 --> 00:24:24,929
to someone who really believes in
571
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:27,179
methadone based treatment a proper
572
00:24:24,929 --> 00:24:29,490
doctor who prescribes it this is the
573
00:24:27,179 --> 00:24:31,499
technique that treats 90% of Britain's
574
00:24:29,490 --> 00:24:34,599
junkies
575
00:24:31,499 --> 00:24:35,980
Claire gerado is a GP and the chair of
576
00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:38,678
the Royal Council of General
577
00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:40,720
Practitioners she's considered an expert
578
00:24:38,679 --> 00:24:43,840
in drug treatment she describes
579
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,368
methadone as the gold standard I'm
580
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,898
assuming this woman's a recovering drug
581
00:24:45,368 --> 00:24:47,459
addict who gave a job out of some sort
582
00:24:46,898 --> 00:24:51,189
of pity
583
00:24:47,460 --> 00:24:53,639
Farrah looks this woman she's still
584
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:56,169
using intravenous drugs that's obvious
585
00:24:53,638 --> 00:24:59,138
well it's lovely seeing you I don't know
586
00:24:56,169 --> 00:25:02,200
ever had anyone like yourself you had
587
00:24:59,138 --> 00:25:04,148
some junkies sorry very mean I do see a
588
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,369
lot of patients with drug users deal
589
00:25:04,148 --> 00:25:10,479
occupations and have done over the years
590
00:25:06,368 --> 00:25:12,128
and I know you for abstinence that's
591
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,649
absolutely fine but I think actually
592
00:25:12,128 --> 00:25:17,798
keeping pay for some patients a vast
593
00:25:14,648 --> 00:25:19,658
majority of mine who are on methadone do
594
00:25:17,798 --> 00:25:21,970
very very well method as a drug if
595
00:25:19,659 --> 00:25:24,059
you're on methadone you're on drugs you
596
00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:26,589
know so like no so for me it's like a
597
00:25:24,058 --> 00:25:28,960
just rearranging the furniture on the
598
00:25:26,589 --> 00:25:30,849
Titanic but can I ask you a question
599
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,590
yeah would you say the same thing about
600
00:25:30,849 --> 00:25:33,998
someone on interested in for diabetic
601
00:25:32,589 --> 00:25:36,158
diabetes or someone on an
602
00:25:33,999 --> 00:25:38,710
antihypertensive treatment for hub for
603
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:40,690
high blood pressure why is it that we
604
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:43,929
pick out a medicine that's used to treat
605
00:25:40,690 --> 00:25:46,600
a disease but I also look after folk who
606
00:25:43,929 --> 00:25:48,489
have been damaged from the day they left
607
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:50,469
their mother's womb damaged
608
00:25:48,489 --> 00:25:53,710
psychologically damaged physically
609
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:56,200
damaged emotionally who end up making no
610
00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:57,759
friends who who drift into crime at a
611
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,950
young age and then drift into drugs
612
00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:02,009
therefore those patients actually they
613
00:25:59,950 --> 00:26:04,808
do need to be on something long enough
614
00:26:02,009 --> 00:26:06,519
secure enough to sort all the rest of
615
00:26:04,808 --> 00:26:09,999
the bits that they don't have the
616
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:12,069
psychological awareness I don't have the
617
00:26:09,999 --> 00:26:14,200
the support in order to do what you've
618
00:26:12,069 --> 00:26:15,368
done wishes make an absolutely they
619
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,230
deserve you doctor
620
00:26:15,368 --> 00:26:18,788
well I really want to be clear about is
621
00:26:17,230 --> 00:26:19,410
this is not an attack on us oh did you
622
00:26:18,788 --> 00:26:20,970
not
623
00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:22,830
another moment in McCarran too but
624
00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:24,839
there's an institutionalized mentality
625
00:26:22,829 --> 00:26:26,309
around the treatment of addiction that
626
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:28,169
is not helpful to addicts because you're
627
00:26:26,309 --> 00:26:29,429
not addressing the underlying problem
628
00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:30,539
I'm not saying using individual you're
629
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:31,799
doing a really good job I'm just saying
630
00:26:30,539 --> 00:26:33,720
that there needs to be an honest debate
631
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:35,549
and honest exchange of information and
632
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,920
that the objective has to be I think
633
00:26:35,549 --> 00:26:40,259
from the origin of the truth to get
634
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,789
people dependence free so yes methadone
635
00:26:40,259 --> 00:26:42,720
is going to be a part of that but you
636
00:26:41,789 --> 00:26:44,220
know you say no they don't have the
637
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,839
layers of support why don't they have
638
00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:47,759
the layers of support why is there not
639
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:50,699
funding for the layers of support I
640
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:54,299
would love everybody to live drug-free
641
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:56,069
lives on nothing but I've been a GP long
642
00:26:54,299 --> 00:26:58,430
enough to know that that's not possible
643
00:26:56,069 --> 00:27:00,869
large number of patients still need
644
00:26:58,430 --> 00:27:02,970
opiate substitution treatment whilst
645
00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:04,739
they sort out all the bits that were
646
00:27:02,970 --> 00:27:07,500
missing as they were growing up and that
647
00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:08,730
takes time it's like putting a plaster
648
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,559
around a broken leg
649
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:12,299
you put that plaster around it so that
650
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:14,279
it can heal underneath it so I put a
651
00:27:12,299 --> 00:27:16,019
plaster around a broken soul is what
652
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,069
it's like doing I'm not disputing what
653
00:27:16,019 --> 00:27:19,139
you're saying I'm just saying that we
654
00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:21,029
have to be more ambitious more
655
00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:22,860
compassionate that it's not that we need
656
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:24,779
to address this this problem more
657
00:27:22,859 --> 00:27:27,269
quickly and I completely disagree with
658
00:27:24,779 --> 00:27:28,500
you I've seen extraordinary turns RIT
659
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:30,750
people turn their lives around in
660
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:33,029
extraordinary ways and I believe in
661
00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:34,470
people believe in the possibility of
662
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:35,879
change as long as people to take you
663
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:37,980
move down they're not going to address
664
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,050
those problems they're lovey be able to
665
00:27:37,980 --> 00:27:42,269
address the problems of origin I think
666
00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:45,480
that is so what the people on methadone
667
00:27:42,269 --> 00:27:48,000
I cannot justify simply whatever cuz
668
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,160
you're not drug addict Talia it doesn't
669
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,769
make no difference to me the money the
670
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,810
fame the power to sex the women none of
671
00:27:52,769 --> 00:27:56,700
it I'd rather be a drug addict if I
672
00:27:54,809 --> 00:27:59,099
didn't have my program I'd be a drug
673
00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:01,170
addict today like that in a second that
674
00:27:59,099 --> 00:28:03,119
walk on her to score round here like I'd
675
00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:04,170
do it gladly and the reason I don't do
676
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,519
it is because of the things I'm talking
677
00:28:04,170 --> 00:28:07,769
to you about and I know that we've
678
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:10,109
methadone I'd be using on top like most
679
00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:11,670
of the drug addicts I know ah I'm not
680
00:28:10,109 --> 00:28:13,109
being patronizing I'm listening to you
681
00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:15,210
on the stuff you know about but not the
682
00:28:13,109 --> 00:28:16,829
stuff you don't which I continue to
683
00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:19,519
follow up my patients have continued to
684
00:28:16,829 --> 00:28:22,169
see them and to say that methadone
685
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:24,029
destroys their soul or whatever the
686
00:28:22,170 --> 00:28:25,590
comment you you made Isis good you don't
687
00:28:24,029 --> 00:28:27,990
give them access to the solution that
688
00:28:25,589 --> 00:28:29,199
they require because it but it doesn't
689
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:32,679
deter them from
690
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,919
she requires okay then we have to agree
691
00:28:32,679 --> 00:28:34,919
to disagree
692
00:28:35,159 --> 00:28:41,289
before I spoke to that GP I met a junkie
693
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,600
in the toilet drinking booze then I saw
694
00:28:41,288 --> 00:28:46,028
her again as I came out this woman is on
695
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:49,269
methadone is it working for her
696
00:28:46,028 --> 00:28:51,599
I see you drinking some cash today yeah
697
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:54,038
drink every day take any other drugs
698
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:56,379
look anyway I smoked about a drachma
699
00:28:54,038 --> 00:28:58,898
again but I was a heroin user laser
700
00:28:56,380 --> 00:29:01,120
sight light yeah just with one escape
701
00:28:58,898 --> 00:29:03,428
last one I was here everywhere was it
702
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:05,319
like it could be on email but in the
703
00:29:03,429 --> 00:29:06,909
last month I've come to before it is
704
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:09,038
easy to come off them but it's very hard
705
00:29:06,909 --> 00:29:10,750
to steal really has a stay stop
706
00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:14,019
I think you shouldn't have anything or
707
00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:17,558
but not mess it down no Sonny I don't
708
00:29:14,019 --> 00:29:19,359
know nothing Nana days no no no I wonder
709
00:29:17,558 --> 00:29:21,129
if you'd be coming but you know what the
710
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:23,019
only thing is like see people actually
711
00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:24,669
gave you the help after you stopped
712
00:29:23,019 --> 00:29:26,769
taking them if you're doing and thought
713
00:29:24,669 --> 00:29:28,778
then everything rather I'm just stop
714
00:29:26,769 --> 00:29:30,308
escaping you may put on a night that be
715
00:29:28,778 --> 00:29:32,558
so it won't come and see me any Mia
716
00:29:30,308 --> 00:29:35,109
actually certainly same company I set
717
00:29:32,558 --> 00:29:38,250
and every day like before being drunk or
718
00:29:35,109 --> 00:29:40,139
like in I don't get high so much now
719
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:42,000
talking allow you like maybe forget a
720
00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:45,390
little bit a money oh right right but
721
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,210
that's it for me this argument is at the
722
00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:49,680
heart of improving treatment for addicts
723
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:51,690
substitute in illegal street drugs with
724
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:56,370
government backed legal drugs like
725
00:29:51,690 --> 00:30:00,029
methadone is not moving addicts on in 12
726
00:29:56,369 --> 00:30:02,539
years I've been to 33 Google's Aviva my
727
00:30:00,029 --> 00:30:05,549
friends or people who've worked for me
728
00:30:02,539 --> 00:30:07,500
former junkie Mark Johnson campaigns to
729
00:30:05,549 --> 00:30:09,779
persuade people that methadone doesn't
730
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:11,849
work he uses shocking photographs of
731
00:30:09,779 --> 00:30:13,649
addicts who are all using on top of
732
00:30:11,849 --> 00:30:16,889
their methadone prescription to make
733
00:30:13,650 --> 00:30:19,019
this point is this an illness and I
734
00:30:16,890 --> 00:30:21,210
think after seeing an image you know
735
00:30:19,019 --> 00:30:23,250
show the absolute naked truth of what
736
00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:26,100
people do to change how they feel that
737
00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:27,420
the extremities that they go I don't
738
00:30:26,099 --> 00:30:29,269
think can leave you with the same
739
00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:32,160
preconceptions
740
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:35,129
she's pretty brutal in it intravenous
741
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:38,430
strategies in the neck there yeah that's
742
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:40,920
a 22 year old seven months pregnant oh I
743
00:30:38,430 --> 00:30:43,740
know that's not good a distri inject
744
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,330
another groin there like this because
745
00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:46,740
she's like she can't use her veins you
746
00:30:45,329 --> 00:30:48,869
know she all the veins are gone the up
747
00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:51,829
22 while she's usin chooser
748
00:30:48,869 --> 00:30:51,829
13 so
749
00:30:54,779 --> 00:31:01,319
but that somebody's legs he's been using
750
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:03,490
for about thirty years
751
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:05,889
mark wants me to meet two of the women
752
00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:06,490
he's been photographing what their names
753
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:10,419
mate
754
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:12,279
she's almond camera both women struggle
755
00:31:10,419 --> 00:31:14,259
with lives dominated by crack and heroin
756
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:16,569
use as well as the methadone that
757
00:31:14,259 --> 00:31:18,250
they've been prescribed for years when I
758
00:31:16,569 --> 00:31:20,710
went to get help I didn't want to go
759
00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:22,419
into a methadone program to me it's like
760
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:24,579
they're not using it for voice use ways
761
00:31:22,419 --> 00:31:27,038
used to help you get off a pillow in and
762
00:31:24,579 --> 00:31:28,538
deserve me not to stabilize you from 20
763
00:31:27,038 --> 00:31:29,829
years time you're still taking methadone
764
00:31:28,538 --> 00:31:30,190
because you're not ready to come off of
765
00:31:29,829 --> 00:31:32,019
it
766
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:34,150
you will never be ready to come up with
767
00:31:32,019 --> 00:31:35,679
I believe in abstinence based recovery
768
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:37,840
myself because it's what's worked for me
769
00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:40,179
I've never tried any type of recovery so
770
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:43,269
uh what's stopping you from going to
771
00:31:40,179 --> 00:31:45,340
rehab right now them me basically yeah
772
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:47,650
that's the only thing that's stopping me
773
00:31:45,339 --> 00:31:49,629
it's me I love the drama by methadone
774
00:31:47,650 --> 00:31:51,309
heroin I hate you being in there for
775
00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:53,140
down here and I lots of smoke crack I'm
776
00:31:51,308 --> 00:31:55,599
not gonna lie that's gonna be hard for
777
00:31:53,140 --> 00:31:58,390
me to stop well then why don't you stop
778
00:31:55,599 --> 00:32:00,759
then I'm trying to stop but it's just
779
00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:02,590
taking so long really like funding in
780
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,099
that system don't think you can have any
781
00:32:02,589 --> 00:32:04,720
drugs
782
00:32:03,099 --> 00:32:06,759
I've review because I think that you've
783
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,440
both got addictive tendencies and if you
784
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:11,230
take any drugs at all you won't bear
785
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,480
control it that's 25 pounds were from
786
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:18,410
you can but what can open answer the
787
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:21,380
government that's half of 24 pounds well
788
00:32:18,410 --> 00:32:24,170
me my I think I was probably at my worth
789
00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:28,190
doing and requited a is that all yeah
790
00:32:24,170 --> 00:32:30,050
well I was lucky you know I've not seen
791
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:31,640
this for a while each other is still
792
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:33,379
like it's a still like after all these
793
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,480
years after learn life years a surfing
794
00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:36,820
let's be full up on a cry like it like a
795
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,589
girlfriend or something
796
00:32:36,819 --> 00:32:41,599
it's not making you they do that it's
797
00:32:39,589 --> 00:32:43,970
making me a little be excited yeah a
798
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:47,769
little bit me know that you ain't gonna
799
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:51,500
go back no I don't know that actually I
800
00:32:47,769 --> 00:32:53,240
own I want to stop that no I always
801
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:55,519
think to myself that I'm gonna have to
802
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,009
kind of be railroaded into it because I
803
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:59,769
know that if I give myself a chance I'll
804
00:32:58,009 --> 00:33:03,650
talk about saw where the reason spies
805
00:32:59,769 --> 00:33:05,539
yeah just a few no not so much that I'm
806
00:33:03,650 --> 00:33:07,070
saying I just responsibilities I've got
807
00:33:05,539 --> 00:33:09,259
that I've got a dog um
808
00:33:07,069 --> 00:33:11,179
no seriously he came to detox with me
809
00:33:09,259 --> 00:33:12,799
the last time it's not an excuse my ears
810
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:14,539
are fucking so yeah this is I can take
811
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:17,059
him with me so I set an excuse I'm just
812
00:33:14,539 --> 00:33:18,710
saying that he's my main stumbling block
813
00:33:17,059 --> 00:33:20,210
are set for seven months in the phase
814
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:22,730
diagram Escobar
815
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:23,600
Escobar a ski what kind of dog is
816
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:25,370
Escobar
817
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:27,409
a Stepford two bull terrier he sounds
818
00:33:25,369 --> 00:33:29,419
like awesome he's a part staff part
819
00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:30,890
demon dog he's my baby
820
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:32,660
he's a sweetly we're making a
821
00:33:30,890 --> 00:33:34,670
documentary about Karen she's got a very
822
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:36,920
serious dog problem yeah
823
00:33:34,670 --> 00:33:38,960
oh she just can't give up the dog what
824
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,300
one day a time waiver you ain't got dog
825
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,829
problem you've got drug problems so like
826
00:33:41,299 --> 00:33:44,269
I think there's deal with a drug program
827
00:33:42,829 --> 00:33:44,750
I think the love problem will take care
828
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:46,940
of itself
829
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:50,240
I'm not you know against the idea I
830
00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:52,610
really am NOT I just yeah I don't know
831
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,200
why I've been so confident drug
832
00:33:52,609 --> 00:33:56,959
addiction is really really real to
833
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,120
myself elicited open I'll come out
834
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,039
I get you know all into trouble again so
835
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:04,149
I've lost nothing anyway yesterday I
836
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:08,259
might as well have a go because I just
837
00:34:04,150 --> 00:34:10,210
yeah also what don't forget the upside
838
00:34:08,260 --> 00:34:12,040
the upside is that you have tremendous
839
00:34:10,210 --> 00:34:14,440
potential as a human being that you
840
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:16,989
could realize and somewhere in you you
841
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,639
know that and recognize it and I know
842
00:34:16,989 --> 00:34:21,399
that that can be frightening but this is
843
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:25,109
an opportunity to with support start to
844
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,110
access that when could you go
845
00:34:26,170 --> 00:34:30,159
wouldn't it be heartening if that then
846
00:34:28,269 --> 00:34:31,780
when Karen's now got six months clean
847
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,159
and she's got a tentative job and whilst
848
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:35,290
it isn't always easy she's making
849
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,460
incredible progress yeah it might be no
850
00:34:35,289 --> 00:34:38,710
I cannot just didn't fucking show up
851
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:41,349
that's like you know really really
852
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:43,780
likely but like what I thought she made
853
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:45,610
me feel very very hopeful hanging out
854
00:34:43,780 --> 00:34:48,250
with him too felt like something you
855
00:34:45,610 --> 00:34:50,110
remember in such a powerful way so it's
856
00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:52,269
not like I felt like I'm gonna fuck my
857
00:34:50,110 --> 00:34:55,660
life off and live here and do gear with
858
00:34:52,269 --> 00:34:58,480
these two but there it's more attractive
859
00:34:55,659 --> 00:35:00,699
than you think it's more attractive than
860
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,159
you would think what mostly felt was
861
00:35:00,699 --> 00:35:06,759
titillation stimulation attraction
862
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:08,710
excitement only now do I think wow how
863
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,160
lucky I am I don't have to live my life
864
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:14,460
defined by their acquiring and using of
865
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:14,460
drugs
866
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:21,480
I believe that people like me with the
867
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:21,838
disease of addiction have to one day at
868
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,240
a time
869
00:35:21,838 --> 00:35:25,699
have Spain from all substances including
870
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,689
methadone or prescription drugs
871
00:35:25,699 --> 00:35:30,059
otherwise we don't have the opportunity
872
00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:31,470
to address the internal incentives that
873
00:35:30,059 --> 00:35:35,250
are propelling us towards drug and
874
00:35:31,469 --> 00:35:37,098
alcohol use conveniently I found an
875
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:39,539
expert who thinks exactly like me
876
00:35:37,099 --> 00:35:41,910
professor Neil McKechnie is a world
877
00:35:39,539 --> 00:35:43,619
authority recently given an award by the
878
00:35:41,909 --> 00:35:46,108
World Forum against drugs for his
879
00:35:43,619 --> 00:35:50,400
research on a better drugs policy for
880
00:35:46,108 --> 00:35:52,069
the 21st century we asked edit what do
881
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,088
you want to go out of treatment and
882
00:35:52,070 --> 00:35:56,070
predominantly they said we want to
883
00:35:54,088 --> 00:35:58,588
become drug free when I started to tell
884
00:35:56,070 --> 00:36:00,930
people that was their answer that was
885
00:35:58,588 --> 00:36:03,179
regarded as an incredibly unwelcome
886
00:36:00,929 --> 00:36:05,039
piece of research oh that nobody in the
887
00:36:03,179 --> 00:36:06,750
world of treatment wanted to hear that
888
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:08,130
predominantly addicts in recovery in
889
00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:11,010
treatment wanted to come off of drugs
890
00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:12,900
why because I think that set a challenge
891
00:36:11,010 --> 00:36:15,359
to them are you helping them to become
892
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:17,460
drug free or are you just making another
893
00:36:15,358 --> 00:36:19,348
drug available to them when we follow
894
00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:21,869
people are we asked the question well if
895
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:24,210
if the majority want to become drug free
896
00:36:21,869 --> 00:36:25,710
how many actually do become drug free on
897
00:36:24,210 --> 00:36:27,900
the base of the treatment which they
898
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:29,338
were given and we do it's tiny after
899
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:30,420
nearly three years of treatment it was
900
00:36:29,338 --> 00:36:31,019
less than it wasn't even in
901
00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:34,530
double-figures
902
00:36:31,019 --> 00:36:36,210
so over 90 percent was still dependent
903
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:37,680
on the drugs that they had they had been
904
00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:39,480
dependent on when they'd come forward
905
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:41,309
for treatment only now we'd added
906
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,838
methadone to the mix as well so they
907
00:36:41,309 --> 00:36:44,309
were dependent on an additional drug
908
00:36:42,838 --> 00:36:45,989
fact the number of people who came off
909
00:36:44,309 --> 00:36:47,849
drugs after three years treatment was
910
00:36:45,989 --> 00:36:49,078
lower than would have been the case had
911
00:36:47,849 --> 00:36:50,670
they had no treatment at all I was
912
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:52,019
pointless essentially so much that's
913
00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:54,510
always a definition of pointless he
914
00:36:52,019 --> 00:36:56,670
really took the money and the methadone
915
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:58,800
we now have a window here I'm impact
916
00:36:56,670 --> 00:37:01,588
somebody has got to challenge that
917
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,180
orthodoxy that actually says it's okay
918
00:37:01,588 --> 00:37:05,519
to deliver treatments which we know are
919
00:37:03,179 --> 00:37:06,779
not working because any end of the day
920
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,369
who really cares that much anyway
921
00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:09,740
because they're just drug at it I spoke
922
00:37:08,369 --> 00:37:11,910
to one of the one of the UK's leading
923
00:37:09,739 --> 00:37:13,529
proponents of the methadone program and
924
00:37:11,909 --> 00:37:16,769
he said to me you know Neil if my
925
00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:18,780
daughter was a heroin addict I would I
926
00:37:16,769 --> 00:37:20,849
would do everything and some to get her
927
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:22,329
into a residential rehab I would not
928
00:37:20,849 --> 00:37:25,068
describe everything
929
00:37:22,329 --> 00:37:27,140
and I thought it's crazy all you're
930
00:37:25,068 --> 00:37:29,119
saying then is that the person that you
931
00:37:27,139 --> 00:37:31,129
would care about you know what you would
932
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:34,660
get the people who you care less for
933
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:34,660
they get something different
934
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:41,780
Neil McKechnie
935
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,240
just reinforced for me the importance of
936
00:37:41,780 --> 00:37:45,829
getting an addict into rehab since I met
937
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,989
Karen and I stayed in touch with her and
938
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:50,630
talk to about rehab at Focus 12 with
939
00:37:47,989 --> 00:37:52,068
chip according to my lovely mum some
940
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:53,990
lunatic woman who I happen to live
941
00:37:52,068 --> 00:37:55,548
inside for nine months that was the
942
00:37:53,989 --> 00:37:57,769
moment where everything changed for me
943
00:37:55,548 --> 00:37:59,809
you're happy I went in focus on your mum
944
00:37:57,769 --> 00:38:02,539
I feel like when I was drug addict
945
00:37:59,809 --> 00:38:04,760
well you're helpless you want your child
946
00:38:02,539 --> 00:38:08,690
to be happy and they're depressed and
947
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:11,960
and you look so ill skinny
948
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:14,210
not particularly clean had no pride in
949
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,059
your appearance or how you lived it's
950
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:18,949
it's heartbreaking is a mum when you
951
00:38:17,059 --> 00:38:22,430
fought innocent beautiful little child
952
00:38:18,949 --> 00:38:25,730
into the world to see that happen yeah
953
00:38:22,429 --> 00:38:28,940
oh don't cry will ya
954
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:31,400
and on that bombshell mum I love you ah
955
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:37,130
I come round like a biscuit cutter to
956
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:40,369
make her happy but every time I think
957
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:43,760
about it it just makes me want to run
958
00:38:40,369 --> 00:38:47,450
away and and just IBUs oh I don't know
959
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,849
just buy a really beautiful woman you
960
00:38:47,449 --> 00:38:54,129
know you've got beautiful hair you've
961
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:57,500
got lovely features yeah I can say it
962
00:38:54,130 --> 00:39:03,588
it's a brilliant step and most important
963
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:08,889
thing is you've decided to take it hello
964
00:39:03,588 --> 00:39:17,828
is that chip it is you're right
965
00:39:08,889 --> 00:39:17,828
yeah that is the plan 18 years yeah
966
00:39:19,568 --> 00:39:30,159
methadone 90 mil about a gram of crack
967
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:30,159
and about half a gram of heroin hmm
968
00:39:30,190 --> 00:39:36,200
because I've had enough it the drugs
969
00:39:34,309 --> 00:39:37,760
don't do anything to me anyway the
970
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:41,210
methadone is just a pain in the ass
971
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,710
myriad of reasons really yeah there are
972
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:45,500
more reasons to stop than there are to
973
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:52,849
continue there aren't any to continually
974
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:57,760
Popham that I'm an idiot yeah it could
975
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:59,809
be a train coming you don't know okay
976
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,940
lovely okay then
977
00:39:59,809 --> 00:40:03,309
alright thank you very much nice to meet
978
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:07,389
you bye
979
00:40:03,309 --> 00:40:11,599
that's good scary one
980
00:40:07,389 --> 00:40:14,539
you feel all right yeah yeah I do two
981
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:16,900
weeks is bloody quick but yeah he's
982
00:40:14,539 --> 00:40:16,900
cooking
983
00:40:26,739 --> 00:40:30,608
one of the strongest arguments for e app
984
00:40:28,838 --> 00:40:31,989
is that it takes the addicts out of the
985
00:40:30,608 --> 00:40:33,880
community where their lives are falling
986
00:40:31,989 --> 00:40:37,618
apart and gives them a breathing space
987
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,619
to reassess and hopefully move on
988
00:40:38,070 --> 00:40:42,130
another place you think would be ideal
989
00:40:40,329 --> 00:40:44,380
to achieve that is Britain's prisons
990
00:40:42,130 --> 00:40:46,980
because there are thousands of addicts
991
00:40:44,380 --> 00:40:49,690
locked up inside
992
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:51,630
sniffing EMS is Weaver's way I've got
993
00:40:49,690 --> 00:40:54,369
nothing to be afraid of
994
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:56,470
over 80% of the British prison
995
00:40:54,369 --> 00:40:59,380
population are addicts or have substance
996
00:40:56,469 --> 00:41:01,629
abuse issues but only one in ten get any
997
00:40:59,380 --> 00:41:03,490
treatment other than methadone to break
998
00:41:01,630 --> 00:41:05,530
their happy
999
00:41:03,489 --> 00:41:07,119
the mount prison in Hemel Hempstead
1000
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:09,430
North London is one place where
1001
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:12,219
prisoners get more than methadone they
1002
00:41:09,429 --> 00:41:14,619
run an abstinence program inside if we
1003
00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:17,379
don't do anything with them while
1004
00:41:14,619 --> 00:41:19,089
they're here we're just gonna block the
1005
00:41:17,380 --> 00:41:21,099
problem up if you like and then release
1006
00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:23,590
the problem and we're just gonna create
1007
00:41:21,099 --> 00:41:25,119
more victims it's gonna be constant
1008
00:41:23,590 --> 00:41:27,309
reoffending and they're just gonna keep
1009
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:29,109
coming back to prison that's seven odd
1010
00:41:27,309 --> 00:41:30,909
percent are going out and they're not
1011
00:41:29,110 --> 00:41:33,039
reoffending in the first two years of
1012
00:41:30,909 --> 00:41:35,019
getting in recovery ten is your to your
1013
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:37,719
own people's lives and break making a
1014
00:41:35,019 --> 00:41:39,639
massive difference that's what happened
1015
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,379
to Nick in and out of prison for crimes
1016
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:43,569
committed as a drug addict until he
1017
00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:45,490
became part of the charity wrapped the
1018
00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:47,680
rehabilitation for addicted prisoners
1019
00:41:45,489 --> 00:41:50,949
trust yeah that's right rapped good
1020
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:52,899
acronym that was eight years ago now he
1021
00:41:50,949 --> 00:41:56,159
runs the program here to help the
1022
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:59,050
prisoners a lot of people on this planet
1023
00:41:56,159 --> 00:42:01,119
experience obsession loads of people on
1024
00:41:59,050 --> 00:42:02,560
this planet no doubt on waking up I have
1025
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,699
low self-esteem don't feel good about
1026
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,380
themselves might have a central
1027
00:42:03,699 --> 00:42:08,710
detachment there Mars might run out the
1028
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:11,320
window but what separates addicts from
1029
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:14,949
the rest of the planet is that once they
1030
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:19,510
start using they cannot stop so how do
1031
00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:22,599
we address that bit don't use okay
1032
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:24,730
that's the easy bit you cannot get
1033
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:26,619
drunker than this you take a drink you
1034
00:42:24,730 --> 00:42:27,789
cannot get high unless you inject a drug
1035
00:42:26,619 --> 00:42:29,799
ain't gonna happen what do you think
1036
00:42:27,789 --> 00:42:34,690
hold you lock together strength for
1037
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:36,850
weakness really thank you it's your
1038
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:39,460
ability to be vulnerable it's your
1039
00:42:36,849 --> 00:42:41,860
ability to drop all the bravado and
1040
00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:43,179
reach out and ask for help and be able
1041
00:42:41,860 --> 00:42:45,519
to communicate when you're feeling
1042
00:42:43,179 --> 00:42:49,659
scared and lonely doing that in a prison
1043
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:50,980
setting is really difficult but for you
1044
00:42:49,659 --> 00:42:52,899
guys in order to do that you're gonna
1045
00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:55,000
need support from each other probably
1046
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:56,170
quite hard to confront some of the
1047
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,179
things you have to confront while
1048
00:42:56,170 --> 00:43:01,780
undergoing the wrapped program he's
1049
00:42:58,179 --> 00:43:04,690
helped me to understand why I didn't
1050
00:43:01,780 --> 00:43:07,450
become an addict at 17 when I when I
1051
00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:09,490
suffered a bereavement I was an addict
1052
00:43:07,449 --> 00:43:11,139
from I was 2 years old my manipulation
1053
00:43:09,489 --> 00:43:13,269
started when I was 2 years old my
1054
00:43:11,139 --> 00:43:15,489
control started when I was 3 in
1055
00:43:13,269 --> 00:43:17,619
is the hardest is hard is very bodies
1056
00:43:15,489 --> 00:43:20,409
after be president very easy is
1057
00:43:17,619 --> 00:43:22,450
revealing and painful you know something
1058
00:43:20,409 --> 00:43:24,039
to be embarrassing upsetting this room
1059
00:43:22,449 --> 00:43:26,199
at times I've felt a whole sitting there
1060
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:35,380
naked learn oh you're just a malaria
1061
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:37,210
Franklin goes on the easy coke only
1062
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:38,650
sixty prisoners out two thousand in the
1063
00:43:37,210 --> 00:43:40,539
Mount get the chance of treatment like
1064
00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:41,800
this and yet the success rate of staying
1065
00:43:40,539 --> 00:43:43,630
clean after they've completed the
1066
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,360
program and leave prison is that almost
1067
00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:50,470
half do stay abstinent that's really
1068
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,900
good way I see it was only two things I
1069
00:43:50,469 --> 00:43:55,659
can't do in my life from now on ones
1070
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:58,210
other drink V other is user drug that
1071
00:43:55,659 --> 00:44:01,569
leaves infinite amount of possibilities
1072
00:43:58,210 --> 00:44:02,289
that I can do I could live the rest of
1073
00:44:01,570 --> 00:44:05,110
my life
1074
00:44:02,289 --> 00:44:06,699
on the bed line but I'm going to be
1075
00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:08,650
happy because I've been living on the
1076
00:44:06,699 --> 00:44:12,309
bed line clean and sober
1077
00:44:08,650 --> 00:44:14,380
I still struggle every day it's all
1078
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:16,590
about renewing yourself I'm not going to
1079
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:21,309
preach to you yeah
1080
00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:23,640
Ephesians 4:23 fucking ill gonna praise
1081
00:44:21,309 --> 00:44:27,519
you just quoted me chapter and verse
1082
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:29,710
constantly renewed of your mind meaning
1083
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:31,420
having a fresh and mental spiritual
1084
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:32,889
attitude that's good in is that one day
1085
00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:37,659
a time difference and this is where this
1086
00:44:32,889 --> 00:44:40,358
is about I wanted he this time I needed
1087
00:44:37,659 --> 00:44:43,868
he you know your children either who
1088
00:44:40,358 --> 00:44:45,730
need me my mom and dad want their son
1089
00:44:43,869 --> 00:44:47,320
back you know they want that peace of
1090
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:48,010
mind that's what I stole from them their
1091
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,100
peace of mind
1092
00:44:48,010 --> 00:44:54,880
yeah I can see it a day and so I'm clean
1093
00:44:51,099 --> 00:44:57,489
I've never been a mouth clean next month
1094
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:01,690
I'm gonna be a year clean imagine that
1095
00:44:57,489 --> 00:45:04,049
after 22 years being a year clean yeah
1096
00:45:01,690 --> 00:45:04,050
that's incredible
1097
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,030
the odds are that when Barnard comes out
1098
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:15,079
of prison he'll stay clean good for him
1099
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:16,820
and potential victims but rats say they
1100
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,529
could be offering the same prospect -
1101
00:45:16,820 --> 00:45:22,490
ten times a number of prisoners at the
1102
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:24,110
mount alone it seems that the cost of
1103
00:45:22,489 --> 00:45:27,319
the program would be more than offset by
1104
00:45:24,110 --> 00:45:28,789
the reduction in crime this evolved
1105
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,769
thinking pings around in the
1106
00:45:28,789 --> 00:45:32,529
law-enforcing brain of Brian's Chief of
1107
00:45:30,769 --> 00:45:37,429
Police
1108
00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:38,269
I'm going to see Chief Inspector is that
1109
00:45:37,429 --> 00:45:40,779
bad
1110
00:45:38,269 --> 00:45:48,400
Chief Superintendent Graham Bartley
1111
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:48,400
chief superintendent grandpa hello
1112
00:45:49,059 --> 00:45:54,409
Brighton until recently was the drugs
1113
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:56,240
deaf capital of the UK try putting that
1114
00:45:54,409 --> 00:45:59,269
on a mug the way that we approach it
1115
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,889
here is that most of our a crime that
1116
00:45:59,269 --> 00:46:02,800
involves people stealing stuffs at
1117
00:46:00,889 --> 00:46:04,699
burglaries car crime that's robbery
1118
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,260
positive crime I don't want to get into
1119
00:46:04,699 --> 00:46:09,619
too much police jargon but positive
1120
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:10,850
crime is generated by people's need to
1121
00:46:09,619 --> 00:46:12,289
get money to buy drugs
1122
00:46:10,849 --> 00:46:13,880
I reckon probably about eighty percent
1123
00:46:12,289 --> 00:46:16,610
eighty percent of things that are
1124
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,740
getting taken criminally is so people
1125
00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:21,740
don't always the case there was luckily
1126
00:46:18,739 --> 00:46:24,079
no II had when when I was here many
1127
00:46:21,739 --> 00:46:26,029
years ago as a working as a detective a
1128
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,980
lot of a lot of the crime was based on
1129
00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:29,240
sort of professional people committing
1130
00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:30,409
crime for because that's how they made
1131
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,509
their living but now it's completely
1132
00:46:30,409 --> 00:46:35,509
changed and it's it's all about drugs
1133
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:37,730
the sort of defining moment for me was
1134
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:40,010
about 17 years ago there was a like that
1135
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:42,440
I've known since I was probably two or
1136
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:44,540
three grown up with lost touch with
1137
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,880
about 15
1138
00:46:44,539 --> 00:46:49,009
really close friend of mine ended up
1139
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,010
getting into a passive scene then ended
1140
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:54,260
up getting into drugs then ended up
1141
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:56,000
getting into addictive drugs ended up
1142
00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:57,859
not only losing his job because of it
1143
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,539
having a steel and then committing
1144
00:46:57,858 --> 00:47:00,858
burglaries and he'd been in and out of
1145
00:46:59,539 --> 00:47:02,750
prison for burglary and this is
1146
00:47:00,858 --> 00:47:05,059
something had a comparable upbringing to
1147
00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:06,619
you other than mrs. Lewis he didn't wake
1148
00:47:05,059 --> 00:47:08,960
up one morning I'm going to be a drug
1149
00:47:06,619 --> 00:47:11,180
addicted burglar acida that made in
1150
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,429
Buddha and therefore you know I thought
1151
00:47:11,179 --> 00:47:17,569
well actually it could happen to any one
1152
00:47:13,429 --> 00:47:19,009
of us Graham Bartlett decided instead of
1153
00:47:17,570 --> 00:47:20,900
putting drug-related arrests in the
1154
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:22,520
police cells and then prison they'd put
1155
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:24,980
them into treatment here at a charity
1156
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:29,599
called CRI the crime reduction
1157
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:31,099
initiative less good acronym if what
1158
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:34,099
we're trying to do is help people stop
1159
00:47:31,099 --> 00:47:35,539
using drink drugs you need to treat them
1160
00:47:34,099 --> 00:47:37,039
decently any trip me respecting
1161
00:47:35,539 --> 00:47:39,289
treatment people you need you need to
1162
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:41,840
help people become part of the community
1163
00:47:39,289 --> 00:47:43,579
to become a because they've come from
1164
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,380
our community the reasons people get
1165
00:47:43,579 --> 00:47:47,719
into drinking druggies are complicated
1166
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:50,599
and it's too easy to say these people
1167
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,730
are criminals they're dirty they're that
1168
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:54,139
you know that they're part of the part
1169
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:57,380
of the community that we live in and if
1170
00:47:54,139 --> 00:47:57,920
you our approaches if you're part of our
1171
00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:59,480
community
1172
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,519
we'll work with you to help you to make
1173
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,440
to help you become full up parts of the
1174
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:06,500
community brilliant way of thinking our
1175
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:09,980
what's your part in this caper i mama
1176
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:11,809
has it's my community as soon as I'll
1177
00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:13,639
see ya for ello is as the to his
1178
00:48:11,809 --> 00:48:15,799
community this bloke how long was your
1179
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:18,440
drug addict for about 35 years
1180
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,480
are you committed then yeah yeah doing
1181
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,659
that fo five year period how were you
1182
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:27,320
funding your drug use clearly you had a
1183
00:48:23,659 --> 00:48:29,179
good job in the city okay I was straight
1184
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,700
bum for many years and flitted through
1185
00:48:29,179 --> 00:48:33,858
phases of selling drugs as well which so
1186
00:48:31,699 --> 00:48:38,000
I thought I was a bit of a gangster yeah
1187
00:48:33,858 --> 00:48:40,759
however I'm not and yeah so I just I
1188
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,889
just done damage really I sold I founded
1189
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,200
other people's obits other people from
1190
00:48:42,889 --> 00:48:49,190
funded mine I'm really good at taking
1191
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:50,389
and and today I don't I robbed me family
1192
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:54,559
robbed your family
1193
00:48:50,389 --> 00:48:56,329
good family hey or anyone anyone who
1194
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:59,019
didn't get it at Robert a dumb one is
1195
00:48:56,329 --> 00:49:03,079
the drug-dealing violence
1196
00:48:59,019 --> 00:49:05,090
stealing from shops from cheese to
1197
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:07,190
clothes steal at his worst
1198
00:49:05,090 --> 00:49:09,470
Stephens stealing up to a pound of red
1199
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:12,920
Leicester day how do you help each other
1200
00:49:09,469 --> 00:49:14,869
um you know a whole bundle of failings
1201
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:18,380
that some days I don't know what to do
1202
00:49:14,869 --> 00:49:20,000
with so I give Steve the ring so I look
1203
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:21,920
because he understands I've been through
1204
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,500
trimming with the guy you go to Steve
1205
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,440
for to talk about your feeling I do yeah
1206
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:30,079
Steve that's amazing
1207
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:34,010
I made her freely oh yeah what was your
1208
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:35,569
feeling amazing and it works you know it
1209
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:38,050
works this stuff work were you
1210
00:49:35,570 --> 00:49:42,140
abstaining from drugs and alcohol you've
1211
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:44,030
stopped committing crimes ah his drug
1212
00:49:42,139 --> 00:49:46,309
use a health problem or is it a crime
1213
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:47,390
problem actually it spans both which is
1214
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:49,940
always stuff we've been talking about
1215
00:49:47,389 --> 00:49:51,650
today and the treatment works to improve
1216
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:53,269
people's health and that gets your
1217
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:54,530
health gains and it also there is a
1218
00:49:53,269 --> 00:49:58,130
crime there is a crime reduction
1219
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:59,810
dividend to treatment Graham Bartlett
1220
00:49:58,130 --> 00:50:01,309
told me that in the last six years in
1221
00:49:59,809 --> 00:50:02,389
Brighton five hundred addicts who
1222
00:50:01,309 --> 00:50:04,820
previously would have gone to prison
1223
00:50:02,389 --> 00:50:06,639
have instead gone into treatment between
1224
00:50:04,820 --> 00:50:08,330
them they've been convicted of about
1225
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:11,949
21,000 crimes
1226
00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:14,989
which 500 I've ever seen in this
1227
00:50:11,949 --> 00:50:17,750
absolutely are thought they got about an
1228
00:50:14,989 --> 00:50:19,789
average of 40 primes eat and if you if
1229
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:22,329
you apply a cost to that it's about $27
1230
00:50:19,789 --> 00:50:25,029
million quid just those people that's
1231
00:50:22,329 --> 00:50:27,259
527 million quid yeah just those people
1232
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:28,940
just what they've been convicted so you
1233
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:34,700
made a massive economic saving taking
1234
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:36,590
them out again but every pound spent on
1235
00:50:34,699 --> 00:50:40,730
treatment brands eggs free pounds on
1236
00:50:36,590 --> 00:50:42,740
reoffending for the UK with crimes by
1237
00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:44,960
drug offenders costing 14 billion a year
1238
00:50:42,739 --> 00:50:48,859
the savings from this approach could be
1239
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,659
enormous I've got this philosophy that
1240
00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:52,430
you know users users belong and
1241
00:50:50,659 --> 00:50:54,500
treatment dealers belong in prison if we
1242
00:50:52,429 --> 00:50:57,319
can understand that addiction is a
1243
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:59,000
physiological issue not necessarily what
1244
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,880
one that's going to be solved by by
1245
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,019
people being locked up in prison then we
1246
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,010
can stop them committing the offenses
1247
00:51:03,019 --> 00:51:06,009
that they should be locked up in prison
1248
00:51:08,429 --> 00:51:12,779
we can do things differently in policing
1249
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:16,349
and prisons that save money and lives
1250
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:18,120
Brehon this is the message I want to
1251
00:51:16,349 --> 00:51:19,980
take in a parliament where I've been
1252
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:21,750
asked to give evidence before the Home
1253
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:23,550
Affairs Select Committee which has been
1254
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:26,250
investigating how effective drug
1255
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:28,110
treatment is in the UK they've taken
1256
00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:29,429
evidence from all kinds of experts and
1257
00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:31,980
now they want to hear what chipper me
1258
00:51:29,429 --> 00:51:34,739
think from inside the problem ex addicts
1259
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:37,440
in recovery this means I am the type of
1260
00:51:34,739 --> 00:51:40,789
expert this is an amazing experience
1261
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:45,000
what is incredible is this my love you
1262
00:51:40,789 --> 00:51:48,539
you were less I don't know but it's
1263
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:51,090
still a mess illness I'm nice I look I
1264
00:51:48,539 --> 00:51:53,039
love we're in polymer live invited us
1265
00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:54,840
here yeah we're not broke in the o2
1266
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:56,519
junkies have been invited into
1267
00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:00,480
Parliament there you go we're just a
1268
00:51:56,519 --> 00:52:01,889
couple of junkies for me it is vital
1269
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,440
that more addicts get the relevant
1270
00:52:01,889 --> 00:52:06,900
information into recovery change their
1271
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,630
lives and become drug free of course
1272
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:11,579
Amy's death is tragic but if we use it
1273
00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:13,500
as an opportunity to review and reassess
1274
00:52:11,579 --> 00:52:15,750
the way we treat addicts and addiction
1275
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:18,389
and alcoholism in this country then it
1276
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:20,639
hasn't been entirely in vain so her
1277
00:52:18,389 --> 00:52:25,049
death is sad but it might not feel so
1278
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:28,529
pointless you're a former heroin addict
1279
00:52:25,050 --> 00:52:30,510
yeah briefly could you tell us how you
1280
00:52:28,530 --> 00:52:32,700
got onto drugs and then how you managed
1281
00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:35,640
to come off is I was like sad lonely
1282
00:52:32,699 --> 00:52:37,679
unhappy detached and drugs and alcohol
1283
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:40,109
for me seem like a solution to that
1284
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:42,480
problem if you have the disease or the
1285
00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:44,640
illness of addiction or alcoholism the
1286
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,590
best way to tackle it is to not use
1287
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:49,109
drugs in any form whether it's
1288
00:52:46,590 --> 00:52:51,900
state-sponsored opiates like methadone
1289
00:52:49,110 --> 00:52:54,480
or illegal stick street drugs or or a
1290
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:56,160
legal substance like alcohol we see no
1291
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,889
distinction between these substances
1292
00:52:56,159 --> 00:53:01,079
what we believe in is that abstinence
1293
00:52:58,889 --> 00:53:03,299
based recovery is the best solution for
1294
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:05,130
people suffering from this condition you
1295
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:05,490
was that brief enough very brief thank
1296
00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:09,450
you
1297
00:53:05,489 --> 00:53:12,139
um you were arrested roughly 12 times I
1298
00:53:09,449 --> 00:53:14,639
was rough fish
1299
00:53:12,139 --> 00:53:16,319
carrot-and-stick butcher i don't feel it
1300
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,759
needs to be a carrot or a stick most of
1301
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,620
those things in that bizarre meta force
1302
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,140
I think what they need to be is love and
1303
00:53:19,619 --> 00:53:23,339
compassion so everybody involved you
1304
00:53:22,139 --> 00:53:24,629
need to be people to come in criminal
1305
00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:25,920
behavior then it needs to be there with
1306
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:27,750
legally but you need to offer them
1307
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,550
treatment not simply out some airy-fairy
1308
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:32,010
that's all old ads and hug
1309
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:33,690
liberalism but because it deals with the
1310
00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:35,190
problem and it prevents further crimes
1311
00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:38,550
being committed having gone through
1312
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:40,470
addiction and then rehabilitation what
1313
00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:43,320
is your message to young people who want
1314
00:53:40,469 --> 00:53:45,089
to get involved in drugs well my message
1315
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,830
isn't for young people my message is for
1316
00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:48,600
people that have this condition of
1317
00:53:46,829 --> 00:53:50,309
addiction if you have the condition of
1318
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:52,139
addiction there is help available for
1319
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:54,150
you we need to start regard regarding
1320
00:53:52,139 --> 00:53:55,949
addiction in all its forms as a health
1321
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:57,630
issue as opposed to a judicial and
1322
00:53:55,949 --> 00:53:59,309
criminal issue that we need to change
1323
00:53:57,630 --> 00:54:01,320
the laws in this country and we need to
1324
00:53:59,309 --> 00:54:03,029
have more compassionate altruistic
1325
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,710
loving attitude to the people with a
1326
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:07,200
disease of addiction and recognize that
1327
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:08,789
these people with the proper help access
1328
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:11,460
to the proper treatment can become
1329
00:54:08,789 --> 00:54:13,500
active and helpful members of society
1330
00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:15,300
like myself some would argue that point
1331
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:17,130
we need to offer them treatment and
1332
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:18,240
activate them and incorporate them into
1333
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:20,340
their society so the message is
1334
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,589
ultimately one of pragmatism altruism
1335
00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:25,010
and compassion in all areas of the
1336
00:54:22,590 --> 00:54:25,010
condition
1337
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,430
karen has followed through on the chance
1338
00:54:34,289 --> 00:54:37,259
of going into rehab
1339
00:54:35,429 --> 00:54:41,210
she's just been assessed that focused
1340
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:43,740
well had the assessment what am i using
1341
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:46,380
how much methadone
1342
00:54:43,739 --> 00:54:47,909
am I on when I spoke to them they said
1343
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:49,079
they was concerned because it like the
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American method down you'll have to go
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on to compensate for your when you're
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not using legal drugs anymore would it
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be really high and as I take about three
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months to reduce you well what they I
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was reducing down by 10 mils a week up
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until last week and whilst I know note
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is doing yeah I did you spent a couple
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of days growing then another one wanting
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a quiet everyone I think that just shows
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the direct relationship between taking
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drugs and not feeling emotions and not
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taking drugs of feeling emotions and
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therefore the obligation is why people
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take them yeah yeah but I can imagine
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you really clearly off drugs I can
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really see you I can see you competent
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driving free stone heavier living a life
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sorted out looking different yeah I mean
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I can really really imagine it for you
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that's the thing that's the thing more
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obviously than ever for anybody
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do you think you deserve to be clean do
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you think you deserve to be happy
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I'm awesome I don't think you do think
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that you deserve it
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well I think anyone does who takes drugs
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you know
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there's loads of people that are going
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to die if they don't stop taking drugs
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and drinking that since I had with Amy
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the sense of inevitability of it so like
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when I sort of think of someone like
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Karen it was also a really really smart
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woman who's going to die if she doesn't
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stop taking drugs that's how I see
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shit
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you
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