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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,152 --> 00:00:29,280 My name is Soren Peter Sorensen ll, 2 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:32,700 and this is my namesake Soren Peter Sorensen I. 3 00:00:32,991 --> 00:00:36,495 He was born over a century before me in Denmark in 1871, 4 00:00:36,787 --> 00:00:39,506 and he's pictured here at 17 in his Danish military uniform. 5 00:00:39,790 --> 00:00:42,509 Here's his son, my great grandfather Ralph Sorensen, 6 00:00:42,793 --> 00:00:46,423 holding me at two months old as my father and grandfather look on. 7 00:00:46,713 --> 00:00:49,033 When I look at this photograph I wonder if any of these men 8 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:51,810 ever thought my life would even remotely resemble theirs. 9 00:01:07,442 --> 00:01:12,448 ♪ There's a stranger lying in my bed ♪ 10 00:01:14,157 --> 00:01:19,334 ♪ A slate-eyed asleep assassin in my head ♪ 11 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:26,508 ♪ I keep on dying until I finally fall dead ♪ 12 00:01:26,795 --> 00:01:33,019 ♪ Every day has a way through ♪ 13 00:01:34,886 --> 00:01:40,108 ♪ There's an ether hanging at my door ♪ 14 00:01:41,810 --> 00:01:46,782 ♪ A cross-eyed crucifier keeping score ♪ 15 00:01:48,609 --> 00:01:53,991 ♪ I keep on smiling until I can't smile no more ♪ 16 00:01:54,281 --> 00:01:58,787 ♪ Every day fades to blue ♪ 17 00:02:00,579 --> 00:02:04,459 ♪ We go Waltzing past the grave ♪ 18 00:02:05,626 --> 00:02:09,301 ♪ We go Waltzing past the grave ♪ 19 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:14,392 ♪ And we go Waltzing past the grave ♪ 20 00:02:15,927 --> 00:02:18,680 ♪ For one more day ♪ 21 00:02:21,183 --> 00:02:24,938 The first time my father took me to Washington DC, I was around 1 O years old, 22 00:02:25,228 --> 00:02:26,980 too young to really get it. 23 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:30,867 DC was one of a number of uniquely American destinations we used to visit, 24 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:33,074 places like Annapolis and Gettysburg, 25 00:02:33,362 --> 00:02:36,912 where all I ever really learned from the monu- ments, memorials, re-enactments and powwows 26 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:40,578 was that I loved the junk food that always seemed to accompanied each day's outing. 27 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:42,712 When we visited the Vietnam memorial, 28 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:46,236 I was hardly old enough to comprehend the Smithsonian or the air and space museum, 29 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:48,218 let alone Maya Lin's granite masterpiece 30 00:02:48,502 --> 00:02:51,927 honoring the more than 58,000 Americans who were killed during the Vietnam War. 31 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:57,098 The experience always stayed with me because my dad made pencil rubbings 32 00:02:57,386 --> 00:03:02,938 of two of the names that day: Loring M. Bailey Jr. and Glenn D. Rickert. 33 00:03:03,225 --> 00:03:06,229 I remember standing as far away as I could from my teary-eyed father 34 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,399 as he made the rubbings and took pictures of each of the names. 35 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:12,694 Who were these people, I wondered to myself, these dead soldiers? 36 00:03:12,984 --> 00:03:14,611 He had never mentioned them before. 37 00:03:14,903 --> 00:03:17,031 I can probably count on one hand the number of times 38 00:03:17,322 --> 00:03:20,496 I've seen my father's eyes well up with tears, and I'm not sure he's ever cried. 39 00:03:20,784 --> 00:03:22,411 But it wasn't a good feeling as a child 40 00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:25,957 seeing that vulnerable, human side of a guy I imagined was invincible. 41 00:03:26,248 --> 00:03:29,502 This little effort to distance myself physically from my father in DC 42 00:03:29,793 --> 00:03:31,716 continued emotionally throughout my adolescence, 43 00:03:32,003 --> 00:03:34,631 manifesting itself as a fear of upsetting or disappointing him, 44 00:03:34,923 --> 00:03:37,017 as I intentionally grew into what I considered to be 45 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:39,849 a much different person than he once was. 46 00:03:40,137 --> 00:03:42,936 This distance between us, real or imagined on my part, 47 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:46,818 caused me to wait until I was over 30 to ask him how he ended up in Vietnam. 48 00:03:51,022 --> 00:03:52,820 "Not by choice, by chance." 49 00:03:54,151 --> 00:03:56,574 Or is it "By chance, by choice"? 50 00:03:56,862 --> 00:04:00,241 There was a recruiting slogan that had to do with... 51 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:04,052 Yeah, "By choice, but not by chance," or something like that. 52 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:09,379 You pick your branch and all that good stuff and you get a career path, 53 00:04:09,666 --> 00:04:12,340 go to college and become a PhD machine gunner. 54 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:16,097 I backed into it. I knew that this was probably the biggest news story of my life. 55 00:04:16,381 --> 00:04:20,511 I knew that I wanted to be a journalist, or thought I wanted to be a journalist. 56 00:04:20,802 --> 00:04:22,082 I was a political science major. 57 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:27,268 There have been family males involved in the Civil War, 58 00:04:27,559 --> 00:04:32,440 the Spanish American War, World War I and II, Korea, and this was just my war. 59 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:36,531 There's a tradition of, if you're a male and there's a war on, that's your job. 60 00:04:36,818 --> 00:04:38,411 That's what you do. 61 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:42,165 It's just bad luck, or good luck if you're into that sort of thing. 62 00:04:42,449 --> 00:04:47,376 So I was balancing not wanting to miss this news story, 63 00:04:47,662 --> 00:04:52,463 a dyed-in-the-wool Ernest Hemingway fan. 64 00:04:52,751 --> 00:04:58,599 On the other side of the coin, I knew that this was a bogus war, it was a civil war, 65 00:04:58,882 --> 00:05:03,433 the politicians were steering us astray, and I sure as hell didn't want to die over there. 66 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:09,272 But you balance one against the other, and then depending upon where you want to go 67 00:05:09,559 --> 00:05:14,611 with the discussions, you can play this out right until the day I got over there. 68 00:05:14,898 --> 00:05:19,825 It's avoidance tempered with, 69 00:05:20,111 --> 00:05:22,351 this is something I should be doing, or want to be doing. 70 00:05:22,489 --> 00:05:24,708 In 1968 a lot of high school and college seniors 71 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:27,335 were in the same situation as my father. 72 00:05:27,619 --> 00:05:31,374 And the perception of Vietnam as a working class war fought only by America's poorest 73 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:34,043 and least-educated citizens was changing. 74 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:37,929 In March, President Lyndon Johnson announced that he would not seek reelection. 75 00:05:38,213 --> 00:05:40,716 In April, Martin Luther King was assassinated. 76 00:05:41,007 --> 00:05:43,260 In June, it was Robert F. Kennedy. 77 00:05:43,552 --> 00:05:45,600 In November, Richard Nixon was elected president. 78 00:05:45,887 --> 00:05:47,730 Nixon had a plan. 79 00:05:48,014 --> 00:05:53,692 I remember distinctly sitting in Fort Dix cleaning an M14 and listening to speeches, 80 00:05:53,979 --> 00:05:56,698 and Nixon had a plan to get us out of Vietnam. 81 00:05:56,982 --> 00:06:00,361 I was thinking to myself, if he can do that in two months, I'm going to vote for him. 82 00:06:00,652 --> 00:06:03,496 Another Connecticut resident who probably voted for Nixon in '68 83 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:06,829 is Loring Bailey, then an employee of Groton-based Electric Boat, 84 00:06:07,117 --> 00:06:09,961 the largest manufacturer of submarines for the United States Navy. 85 00:06:10,245 --> 00:06:13,920 Bailey's only son Loring Jr., or "Ring" to his close friends and family, 86 00:06:14,207 --> 00:06:16,893 enlisted in the United States Army around the same time as my father, 87 00:06:16,918 --> 00:06:18,386 and for similar reasons. 88 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:24,677 When the kids came out of, or graduated from school, from college, 89 00:06:24,968 --> 00:06:28,893 when they ended home here in Connecticut... 90 00:06:29,180 --> 00:06:34,778 Well, all over the country, there lying in the pile of mail 91 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:41,239 was the card for registration for the draft. 92 00:06:42,944 --> 00:06:46,164 Every senior faced that. 93 00:06:46,448 --> 00:06:53,172 A lot of people said, "My God, if I'm going to be drafted I'll enlist." 94 00:06:53,455 --> 00:06:56,675 "I'll go before they call me." 95 00:06:56,958 --> 00:06:59,644 It surprised me to hear that so many young people in the late '60s, 96 00:06:59,669 --> 00:07:02,923 including my father and Ring Bailey, were still enlisting. 97 00:07:03,214 --> 00:07:06,718 Members of my generation, the sons and daughters of these baby boomers, 98 00:07:07,010 --> 00:07:09,684 seemed to treat the topic of Vietnam either with overt criticism, 99 00:07:09,971 --> 00:07:14,226 including comparisons to Iraq and Afghanistan, or eye rolls and apathy. 100 00:07:14,517 --> 00:07:17,987 I've honestly never spoken to very many people my age or any other come to think of it, 101 00:07:18,271 --> 00:07:20,431 willing to defend the American government's motivations 102 00:07:20,482 --> 00:07:22,780 for expanding our military's involvement in Vietnam. 103 00:07:23,068 --> 00:07:26,618 But the reasons people enlisted were not as simple as I once imagined. 104 00:07:26,905 --> 00:07:29,784 Because the United States military is now all-volunteer, 105 00:07:30,075 --> 00:07:32,595 I always figured anyone who made a conscious decision to enlist, 106 00:07:32,702 --> 00:07:35,376 rather than waiting for the draft or avoiding the war altogether, 107 00:07:35,664 --> 00:07:40,295 must have been enthusiastically anti-communist, that or too willing to please their fathers, 108 00:07:40,585 --> 00:07:43,384 members of Tom Brokaw's "greatest generation." 109 00:07:43,672 --> 00:07:46,050 I think it's partly doing what is expected. 110 00:07:46,341 --> 00:07:50,596 So I think he was reared in the tradition of being responsible, 111 00:07:50,887 --> 00:07:54,482 "doing the right thing," however you define that, 112 00:07:54,766 --> 00:07:57,986 and not disappointing your family. 113 00:07:58,269 --> 00:08:02,149 And he had not just a father, but a grandfather whom he loved, and aunts, 114 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,695 and a family tradition that would be a big deal to just walk out on. 115 00:08:06,987 --> 00:08:10,708 The National Guard wasn't available unless you knew somebody, or your name was Bush 116 00:08:10,991 --> 00:08:13,191 or you had some way of getting in to the National Guard. 117 00:08:13,368 --> 00:08:15,888 The National Guard was closed out, the reserves were closed out, 118 00:08:16,162 --> 00:08:18,164 'cause they were really popular, obviously. 119 00:08:18,456 --> 00:08:19,799 You weren't going to see action. 120 00:08:20,083 --> 00:08:23,257 I looked into the Army. The Army had a program- 121 00:08:23,545 --> 00:08:25,465 And I was about to be drafted as far as I knew... 122 00:08:25,630 --> 00:08:29,931 If you sign up for officer candidate school, and at any point wash out, 123 00:08:30,218 --> 00:08:36,100 you get the time you spent in training subtracted from a two-year draft. 124 00:08:36,391 --> 00:08:40,737 So my mind is cranking away and I'm thinking to myself, 125 00:08:41,021 --> 00:08:47,119 it takes a couple months for Basic, a couple months for Advanced Individual Training, 126 00:08:47,402 --> 00:08:51,452 however long I could play out OCS, 127 00:08:53,074 --> 00:08:57,921 and then if you, again, throw in the towel- 128 00:08:58,204 --> 00:09:00,673 If I played it right, I would have either less than a year... 129 00:09:00,957 --> 00:09:03,852 And at that point if you had less than a year, they weren't shipping you out- 130 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:07,552 So I would come pretty close to a year. 131 00:09:07,839 --> 00:09:11,844 If I had done something other than go, my father probably would have been disappointed. 132 00:09:12,135 --> 00:09:16,811 But in terms of my family, I received no input either to go or not to go, 133 00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:18,771 whether it's a good idea or bad idea. 134 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:23,565 I think he cared about his father's impression of him, but I'm not sure... 135 00:09:23,855 --> 00:09:25,152 but I also think he resented it. 136 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,738 It would have been an embarrassment probably, 137 00:09:28,026 --> 00:09:30,996 because there was a stigma attached. 138 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:34,954 Again, if you go back to that era, in a neighborhood, 139 00:09:35,241 --> 00:09:39,542 if somebody was evading, if somebody went to Canada or something, the neighbors talked. 140 00:09:55,512 --> 00:09:59,312 Perhaps America's hindsight perception of '60s counterculture, hippies, 141 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:01,567 and the sexual revolution produces the illusion 142 00:10:01,851 --> 00:10:05,321 of a greater protest movement than actually existed. 143 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:08,859 As much as I can't imagine enlisting in the military “during the Vietnam era, 144 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:12,154 for my father and Ring Bailey, evading, avoiding, dodging the draft, 145 00:10:12,445 --> 00:10:14,322 or going to Canada weren't really options. 146 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,912 When I contacted Ring Bailey's widow Maris to request 147 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,294 an interview she respectfully declined, stating, 148 00:10:19,577 --> 00:10:22,080 "The years since Ring's death have done little to soften 149 00:10:22,372 --> 00:10:24,875 my heartache and anger over his loss." 150 00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:27,385 Maris put me in touch with her brother Rik, 151 00:10:27,669 --> 00:10:30,172 who invited me to his home in Burlington, Vermont. 152 00:10:30,463 --> 00:10:34,559 Rik's deaf in his left ear, so he received a 4F designation, meaning unfit for service, 153 00:10:34,843 --> 00:10:36,686 upon completing his physical. 154 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:40,600 He told me the outcome of the physical didn't matter. He wasn't going to Vietnam. 155 00:10:43,852 --> 00:10:45,650 Does it look like me? 156 00:10:45,937 --> 00:10:47,405 I would have gone to jail. 157 00:10:47,689 --> 00:10:51,535 They sent draft resisters to a Allenwood prison farm in Pennsylvania. 158 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:54,162 It's minimum security. 159 00:10:54,445 --> 00:10:56,618 There's no barbed wire. 160 00:10:58,992 --> 00:11:02,212 Ring became my sister's boyfriend. 161 00:11:02,495 --> 00:11:08,923 Ring was two years older than me and he became a mentor. 162 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:12,259 He went to Trinity College in Hartford. 163 00:11:12,547 --> 00:11:14,345 He was really smart. 164 00:11:14,632 --> 00:11:18,808 And I really liked him, and here he was with my sister, 165 00:11:19,095 --> 00:11:22,440 and we hung out together. 166 00:11:22,724 --> 00:11:25,568 So that's how I met him, and he eventually married my sister. 167 00:11:26,603 --> 00:11:29,197 You know, that's Ring. 168 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,656 And by gosh, the telephone call that I received 169 00:11:33,943 --> 00:11:38,494 the night that he went down to Fort Dix was, 170 00:11:38,781 --> 00:11:42,411 "Hey, Dad, I'm in the infantry!" 171 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:49,176 Well, you take Rings glasses off and he couldn't see a hundred yards, 172 00:11:49,459 --> 00:11:55,592 and make out anything without glasses, in a hundred yards. 173 00:11:55,882 --> 00:11:58,385 But here he was in the infantry. 174 00:11:58,676 --> 00:12:02,306 Well, okay. So, you'll learn how to march. 175 00:12:02,597 --> 00:12:06,352 Ring liked automobiles. He was a real automobile enthusiast. 176 00:12:06,643 --> 00:12:09,396 His father was an automobile enthusiast. 177 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:13,737 His father had a XK140 Jaguar coupe. 178 00:12:14,025 --> 00:12:16,824 Most of them are roadsters, this one was a coupe. It was swooping. 179 00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:21,491 And I learned the appreciation of these automobiles from Ring. 180 00:12:21,783 --> 00:12:28,337 He drew cars, he knew race cars, he had little die-cast miniature cars. 181 00:12:28,623 --> 00:12:32,002 He collected them and now I do. He had a Bugeye Sprite. 182 00:12:32,293 --> 00:12:38,175 Before he went to Vietnam, he bought a Bugeye Sprite, and I bought a 1600 Fiat roadster. 183 00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:43,313 And in his time off before he went to Vietnam, 184 00:12:43,596 --> 00:12:47,146 we worked on these two cars and we drove around. 185 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:50,437 Fun. 186 00:12:50,728 --> 00:12:53,231 With a cloud over your head fun. 187 00:12:53,523 --> 00:12:56,618 My father met Ring Bailey in 1969 at OCS, 188 00:12:56,901 --> 00:12:59,154 Officer Candidate School, in Fort Belvoir, Virginia. 189 00:12:59,445 --> 00:13:03,700 They were both aspiring writers, Hemingway fans from small Southern New England towns. 190 00:13:03,992 --> 00:13:07,472 And the seemingly insignificant common ground they shared led to an alliance that almost 191 00:13:07,745 --> 00:13:10,419 spared them both from service outside the United States. 192 00:13:10,707 --> 00:13:13,881 He was gonna be a journalist. He wanted to go into writing. 193 00:13:14,168 --> 00:13:18,298 And he found a colonel who was looking for people to write training manuals. 194 00:13:18,589 --> 00:13:24,187 And the colonel said, "I need a half-dozen or I need four writers." 195 00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:26,939 And he got the job, and he said, 196 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:30,944 go down there, and he said, "We'll spend the next year outside of Washington." 197 00:13:31,227 --> 00:13:32,907 He was married, I was about to get married. 198 00:13:33,104 --> 00:13:37,075 He said, we'll spend... either a year or a year-plus 199 00:13:37,358 --> 00:13:39,156 writing training manuals at Fort Belvoir 200 00:13:39,444 --> 00:13:42,323 which is a suburb of Washington DC with our spouses. 201 00:13:42,613 --> 00:13:44,286 What could be better? 202 00:13:45,616 --> 00:13:48,335 In any case I went down, interviewed, got the job, 203 00:13:48,619 --> 00:13:51,998 and in both cases our orders for Vietnam got cut 204 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:55,385 before the orders for the writing job. 205 00:13:55,668 --> 00:13:58,672 My father and Ring both decided against finishing OCS 206 00:13:58,963 --> 00:14:00,510 and were sent to different bases. 207 00:14:00,798 --> 00:14:03,722 They weren't gung ho by any stretch of the imagination. 208 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:07,014 Neither were countless other Americans who found themselves in Vietnam. 209 00:14:07,305 --> 00:14:09,979 Selective service and self-preservation were not as contradictory 210 00:14:10,266 --> 00:14:12,234 then as they seem to be today. 211 00:14:12,518 --> 00:14:15,558 When my father received word that he would be shipping out in October of '69, 212 00:14:15,813 --> 00:14:18,566 my parents had to move their wedding up from September to August. 213 00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:22,378 People in my mother's hometown, Wheeling, West Virginia, were convinced she was pregnant. 214 00:14:22,612 --> 00:14:26,458 The day that he left for Vietnam, my parents didn't feel comfortable having me 215 00:14:26,741 --> 00:14:29,210 drive him to the airport because I was gonna be upset. 216 00:14:29,494 --> 00:14:35,126 And so they arranged a bus trip or a limo trip for him, 217 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:37,384 so the thing came around the circle. 218 00:14:37,668 --> 00:14:39,636 I remember vividly saying goodbye to him 219 00:14:39,921 --> 00:14:42,361 and opening that door and having him walk and get in that car. 220 00:14:47,845 --> 00:14:49,365 It could have been Air America, 221 00:14:49,555 --> 00:14:53,901 but it was a commercial flight with stewards and stewardesses, 222 00:14:54,185 --> 00:14:56,529 although we were wearing jungle fatigues. 223 00:14:56,813 --> 00:15:01,364 We landed in Hawaii and Guam for refueling, 224 00:15:01,651 --> 00:15:04,746 but essentially other than the fatigues... 225 00:15:05,029 --> 00:15:07,157 I don't recall an in-flight movie, 226 00:15:07,448 --> 00:15:10,543 but we had meals and it was like nothing was happening. 227 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:22,177 And on the way down, everybody was sort of hanging onto their seat and concerned, 228 00:15:22,463 --> 00:15:28,891 because we're in this commercial setting... it was just a regular airplane flight, 229 00:15:29,178 --> 00:15:34,560 and the next thing we knew, we were at a 45-degree angle coming down. 230 00:15:34,851 --> 00:15:39,698 When we landed, I asked one of the stewardesses what the story was 231 00:15:39,981 --> 00:15:42,341 and she said when we get to Vietnam, we do military landings 232 00:15:42,483 --> 00:15:44,827 to lessen the exposure to enemy fire. 233 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:49,742 And on the way down, it was like we were looking at each other like we're not gonna make it. 234 00:15:50,032 --> 00:15:53,912 We're not even gonna land this plane, or there's been a mechanical difficulty. 235 00:15:54,203 --> 00:15:57,673 We saw the South China Sea, we saw Vietnam, and the next thing we knew, 236 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:00,460 we were just... seemingly crash-landing. 237 00:16:00,751 --> 00:16:02,845 We hit the deck, they open the door, 238 00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:07,350 and once it was open it was like a blast furnace, it went from an air conditioned cabin, 239 00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:12,184 originating flight from Fort Louis, Washington, 240 00:16:12,472 --> 00:16:15,976 and the heat and humidity was unbearable. 241 00:16:16,267 --> 00:16:18,019 It was just very difficult to communicate. 242 00:16:18,311 --> 00:16:23,784 Within two hours I was on the perimeter of Cam Ranh Bay stringing Concertina wire, 243 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:26,364 and I figured I wasn't gonna make it 24 hours. 244 00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:31,408 I figured the environment or the temperature was going to do me in. 245 00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:33,468 I wasn't going to make it because of the weather. 246 00:16:33,493 --> 00:16:35,573 I was scared that something might happen. 247 00:16:35,745 --> 00:16:38,705 I knew he wasn't going to be in the jungle, that would have freaked me out. 248 00:16:38,748 --> 00:16:43,128 I guess I didn't constantly fear the way I would if he had been in combat or a Marine. 249 00:16:43,419 --> 00:16:46,389 And then at night, I remember there was some kind of either an arc: light, 250 00:16:46,672 --> 00:16:48,515 which is a B-52 drop, 251 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:51,235 or there was a firefight, something going on in the mountains. 252 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:56,187 And I remember looking, coming out of the hoooh and looking toward the mountains, 253 00:16:56,474 --> 00:17:00,229 and it was like there was a large thunderstorm. 254 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:06,277 You'd see a flash and then there'd be a four-minute delay 255 00:17:06,567 --> 00:17:08,319 and then you'd feel the concussion. 256 00:17:08,611 --> 00:17:13,538 It brought home that you know where you are, 257 00:17:13,824 --> 00:17:15,635 and then tomorrow or the next day, the day after that, 258 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:17,470 you're going to be closer to what's going on there. 259 00:17:17,495 --> 00:17:22,217 Loring was assigned to an infantry brigade, an infantry battalion. 260 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:24,753 I was assigned to an engineer company, 261 00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:27,647 and essentially he went off and did his thing and I went off and did my thing. 262 00:17:27,672 --> 00:17:31,597 His first letter indicated that he had, 263 00:17:31,884 --> 00:17:38,483 on the day of his arrival, that night, they went out on a snake. 264 00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:42,942 That was a case of where you blackened your faces, 265 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:46,741 you're heavily armored, 266 00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:51,746 and he was with a group of machine gunners, 267 00:17:52,029 --> 00:17:55,124 and they set up a blocking force. 268 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:57,536 And he said, the blocking force, 269 00:17:57,827 --> 00:18:01,377 we were there, but nothing occurred. 270 00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:04,634 From Cam Ranh Bay orders to Chu Lai, 271 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:08,797 which is the military headquarters company 272 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:11,762 or headquarters for the Americal Division, 273 00:18:12,049 --> 00:18:14,893 and it was there, they have what they call the Combat Center, 274 00:18:15,177 --> 00:18:17,225 which is like graduate school, 275 00:18:17,513 --> 00:18:22,144 and for a week you were there to acclimatize yourself and also go through a quick kill course, 276 00:18:22,435 --> 00:18:25,655 where you had a BB gun and had to shoot at pop-up targets, 277 00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:29,488 booby traps and mines and try not to set them off. 278 00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:31,322 Everybody set off something, 279 00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:33,363 which is kind of debilitating... 280 00:18:33,654 --> 00:18:36,578 Warning lectures on drugs. 281 00:18:36,866 --> 00:18:40,916 All the hooches had essentially plywood walls, 282 00:18:41,203 --> 00:18:44,582 screens, and then corrugated tin roofs. 283 00:18:44,874 --> 00:18:46,751 And then attached, or very close by, 284 00:18:47,043 --> 00:18:50,297 there were culverts or half shells covered with sandbags 285 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:53,137 which were for rocket attacks or incoming... 286 00:18:53,424 --> 00:18:55,847 The defensive positions essentially. 287 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:58,215 The first night I was there, we had incoming rockets. 288 00:18:58,304 --> 00:19:01,057 There was an explosion. 289 00:19:01,349 --> 00:19:04,023 We were green. We were looking at each other, what was that? 290 00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:08,611 And finally somebody came running through the hooch 291 00:19:08,898 --> 00:19:13,699 and said, "Everybody in the shelter," and we all got in the shelter. 292 00:19:13,986 --> 00:19:16,660 There were three or four more rockets that came in that night. 293 00:19:16,947 --> 00:19:20,577 So the first night that I was in Chu Lai, we received rocket attacks, 294 00:19:20,868 --> 00:19:24,873 probably B-1 Os or Soviet-made rockets. 295 00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:28,338 They were just set up with bamboo stakes out in the hinterlands 296 00:19:28,626 --> 00:19:32,176 and they were launched towards the American base. 297 00:19:32,463 --> 00:19:34,761 I don't think there were any casualties or anything, 298 00:19:35,049 --> 00:19:36,649 but that was my introduction to incoming. 299 00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:41,056 From there, we got orders to Duc Pho, which is about 300 00:19:41,347 --> 00:19:43,224 on the coast, it's in Quang Ni Province. 301 00:19:43,516 --> 00:19:45,516 I was assigned to the engineers, from the engineers 302 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:48,855 I was shipped out to LZ Liz, or Landing Zone Liz, 303 00:19:49,146 --> 00:19:51,274 which was a forward fire support base. 304 00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:56,867 And there were three mountains, one large lump where the LZ was located. 305 00:19:57,154 --> 00:20:01,876 There were a couple of howitzers there, and I stayed there for four months or so, five months, 306 00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:03,581 doing mine sweeps and construction. 307 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:08,799 For soldiers of the Vietnam era and their loved ones, 308 00:20:09,083 --> 00:20:12,087 letter writing was the most useful method of communication. 309 00:20:12,378 --> 00:20:15,139 As much as pictures tell us what the war was like for these young men, 310 00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:19,136 their letters home are as remarkable, not only for what was written, 311 00:20:19,427 --> 00:20:20,849 but also for what was left out. 312 00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:24,141 He wrote to us to protect us. 313 00:20:24,432 --> 00:20:27,902 He wrote to us and tried to look at the light side. 314 00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:33,191 He wrote a letter about a duckling that he took with him for three days, 315 00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:38,784 a little duckling that he carried on heli- copter rides and finally let go somewhere. 316 00:20:39,071 --> 00:20:44,077 There was Pete the puppy clog who followed them around. He wrote about micro frogs. 317 00:20:44,368 --> 00:20:47,747 Oh, he was upbeat. It was an upbeat deal. 318 00:20:48,038 --> 00:20:54,762 He made it that way. I could tell you one letter that he sent to his wife, 319 00:20:55,045 --> 00:21:01,769 three or four paragraphs of disassembling and assembling... 320 00:21:02,052 --> 00:21:05,556 a machine gun, a 50-caliber machine gun. 321 00:21:05,848 --> 00:21:11,105 I don't think he copied it out of the manual, but it was very, very close. 322 00:21:11,395 --> 00:21:13,898 And he wrote this... 323 00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:18,741 "Also, saw an enormous python the other day. 324 00:21:19,028 --> 00:21:22,783 Those exciting animal names grow a bit meaningless or prosaic 325 00:21:23,073 --> 00:21:27,169 when we think of them as automobile models or can opener trademarks. 326 00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:33,426 But a real python opens your eyes and gives new meaning and respect to the name." 327 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:38,215 He was in a God awful environment... 328 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:42,803 just hideous. 329 00:21:43,093 --> 00:21:47,064 He was carrying 70 pounds of pack, and then going from place to place, 330 00:21:47,348 --> 00:21:49,942 and at night setting up ambushes. 331 00:21:50,226 --> 00:21:55,027 If it was the monsoon season, you were wet to the bone, 332 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:58,363 48 hours, three days, four or five days at a time. 333 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:02,576 Elizabeth, I wrote once a day. If I missed a day I used to write two. 334 00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:05,707 I probably got back an equal amount. 335 00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:09,211 It wasn't like World War ll where everybody wrote, and everybody sent cookies, 336 00:22:09,495 --> 00:22:14,717 and everybody did this. It was fairly confined to the closest relatives and closest friends. 337 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,052 So you didn't get groundswells of mail, but the ones I counted on obviously were Elizabeth's, 338 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,182 and friends. 339 00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:25,640 I wrote him a letter every day and did that. 340 00:22:25,928 --> 00:22:28,397 But when he was gone, he left in September 341 00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:32,060 and at Christmas, which was a big family gathering around the Christmas table 342 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:36,948 with my parents and Aunt Susie and Uncle Atwood and all of the cousins and everybody. 343 00:22:37,231 --> 00:22:39,700 And here I was having been married one month. 344 00:22:39,984 --> 00:22:42,282 And he left in September and it was Christmas. 345 00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:45,289 The entire Christmas clay and through the entire Christmas dinner 346 00:22:45,573 --> 00:22:48,452 not one person mentioned him, he was not toasted. 347 00:22:48,742 --> 00:22:51,791 He was not... it just wasn't in their conscious. 348 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:54,502 Part of our job was to get up, very punctual, 349 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:56,225 so that the enemy knew we were coming. 350 00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:57,610 But there was at least eight of us, 351 00:22:57,751 --> 00:22:59,353 this parade of people going down the road. 352 00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:01,972 We did the sweep, and then at the end of the sweep, 353 00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:05,601 what would happen was a five-ton dump truck would be filled up with sand. 354 00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:08,809 It was called pressure testing, and it would back down the road, 355 00:23:09,096 --> 00:23:15,103 so anything that we missed electronically, theoretically the clump truck would set off. 356 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:17,817 We did this one day, got onto the truck, 357 00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:21,505 because the pressure testing had been done, and they would drive us back up to LZ Liz. 358 00:23:21,734 --> 00:23:24,670 And on this particular day, we were working on bunkers and then all of a sudden 359 00:23:24,695 --> 00:23:27,414 we heard an explosion down toward the road. 360 00:23:27,698 --> 00:23:29,758 It was after the monsoon, so they were repairing the road. 361 00:23:29,783 --> 00:23:33,162 Anyway, we got down there and the medevac was just leaving. 362 00:23:33,454 --> 00:23:34,751 The dump truck driver... 363 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:39,294 The mine went off right under the cab and it blew his eye out. 364 00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:42,464 He had other injuries, but we had to do another mine sweep of the road. 365 00:23:42,755 --> 00:23:46,385 So this is the second mine sweep within four hours, five hours, 366 00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:48,268 and they did another pressure test. 367 00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:52,728 Got back on the dump truck to LZ Liz and started working on the bunkers, 368 00:23:53,015 --> 00:23:54,392 and we heard another explosion. 369 00:23:54,683 --> 00:23:58,233 Another truck bringing a load of dirt blew up. 370 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,737 Again the medevac was there. 371 00:24:00,022 --> 00:24:02,992 But there were those two in one morning. 372 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,528 The next day they had sniffer dogs. 373 00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:07,662 They accompanied us for the next week, 374 00:24:07,947 --> 00:24:10,370 and we never found anything else. 375 00:24:10,658 --> 00:24:12,501 But we lost two dump trucks and two guys. 376 00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:18,713 This is a Corgi die-cast miniature car. I don't know the scale. 377 00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:20,922 It's a De Tomaso Mangusta 378 00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:24,180 that I sent to him as a Christmas present, and we liked our cars. 379 00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,012 And he wrote to me, he said, 380 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:31,850 "In the dark watches of the night, I roll the De Tomaso Mangusta Corgi toy car 381 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:34,981 that Rik sent me back and forth very quietly. 382 00:24:35,265 --> 00:24:39,315 I sit squishing the suspension up and down for minutes at a time, 383 00:24:39,603 --> 00:24:42,823 looking at it at eye-level, digging its amber headlights. 384 00:24:43,107 --> 00:24:46,111 But that's another form of devotion entirely. 385 00:24:46,402 --> 00:24:50,908 Huddled under my poncho, trying to preserve the condition of my stationary, 386 00:24:51,198 --> 00:24:52,871 all thought of quality gone, 387 00:24:53,158 --> 00:24:56,332 writing away while monitoring my trusty two-way radio, 388 00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:58,668 looking out at the little plastic Christmas tree 389 00:24:58,956 --> 00:25:01,379 that one of our machine gunners received in the mail 390 00:25:01,667 --> 00:25:04,466 and planted before his draped poncho. 391 00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:08,223 Put the little metal car, the De Tomaso Mangusta that I carry in my pocket, 392 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:11,135 beneath the plastic tree and lo and behold, 393 00:25:11,427 --> 00:25:13,600 we'll have toys under the tree come tomorrow morning. 394 00:25:13,887 --> 00:25:16,185 All the amenities are not lost. 395 00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:20,068 One little Tupperware container of mother's best cookies, too. 396 00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:23,231 No, all is certainly not lost at Christmastime. 397 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:25,866 Next Christmas Eve, I'll perhaps remember 398 00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:28,528 my rainy night squatting beside my radio 399 00:25:28,819 --> 00:25:33,165 on my plastic covered map to keep my bottom unsuccessfully dry, 400 00:25:33,449 --> 00:25:39,206 watching the bushes move, and every so often munching on mixed nuts without peanuts. 401 00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:43,922 Maybe this was the Christmas Eve and Christmas to make the rest worthwhile." 402 00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,008 For about two-thirds of the time, 403 00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:29,842 it was as a platoon leader. 404 00:26:30,130 --> 00:26:31,632 I went in as a second lieutenant. 405 00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:36,145 March, April, somewhere in there, I was promoted to first lieutenant, 406 00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:41,025 and so I had a platoon of men. 407 00:26:41,308 --> 00:26:43,777 We never had a full compliment of people. 408 00:26:44,061 --> 00:26:46,109 I believe a full compliment would be 40 some people, 409 00:26:46,396 --> 00:26:49,195 and we had generally running close to about 30 at the max. 410 00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:52,452 We would go out on patrol during the day, 411 00:26:52,736 --> 00:26:54,659 and we'd set up ambushes at night. 412 00:26:54,947 --> 00:26:58,542 Most of what we were looking for were resupply issues. 413 00:26:58,826 --> 00:27:05,334 The area we were in had been defoliated, bulldozed, burned, and was a free-fire zone. 414 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:09,299 So anybody out there theoretically was a target. 415 00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:12,635 That made it difficult when you actually wanted to eliminate a target, 416 00:27:12,923 --> 00:27:17,224 you were told that you could possibly impact some poor innocent civilian 417 00:27:17,511 --> 00:27:19,730 who wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. 418 00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:22,482 So I was involved in planning, 419 00:27:22,766 --> 00:27:26,441 deploying the troops, making sure everybody knew what their mission was, 420 00:27:26,728 --> 00:27:31,199 making sure the resupply came in, whether it was weapons, food, whatever it was. 421 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:37,365 Ring volunteered to go out and carry the radio. 422 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:40,159 I wrote back to him saying, 423 00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:43,420 "You get rid of the radio as fast as you possibly can. 424 00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:47,800 That is a highly visible target." 425 00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:52,884 He had already been in this unit, my first unit that I was assigned to. 426 00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:57,348 So when I first met Loring he was spec 4, 427 00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:59,352 I believe was his rank at the time, 428 00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:02,185 and he was my radio guy. 429 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:06,773 And so he was responsible for any communication out of our field unit 430 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:09,688 to anything or anybody else we needed. 431 00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:13,826 Actually, when I saw the picture, I... 432 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,487 realized, I hadn't remembered a whole lot 433 00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:18,405 from the picture you sent me. 434 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:21,200 I remember dark hair. 435 00:28:21,491 --> 00:28:23,510 I always had the impression he was a lot taller than I was, 436 00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:26,084 but I'm not sure if he was or not. 437 00:28:26,371 --> 00:28:28,590 And the glasses. 438 00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:35,472 He seemed like a, this sounds terrible, not that the other people weren't civilized people, 439 00:28:35,756 --> 00:28:38,509 but he seemed more civilized, educated, reasonable, intelligent 440 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,393 than many other people I ran into. 441 00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:44,102 I'm the guy that when he went fishing as a kid I threw the fish back in. 442 00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:46,562 I had never hunted, I had never been around weapons. 443 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:49,524 I didn't come from a family that was into the outdoors. 444 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,734 We were tennis players and swimmers. 445 00:28:52,022 --> 00:28:57,119 So this gung ho, try to keep yourself from being killed, 446 00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:59,746 carrying a hundred pounds of supplies 447 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:06,163 and being armed and shoot to kill, very strange. 448 00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:09,297 The minute I was in country and the night we were rocketed, 449 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:12,425 I knew I didn't want to be a combat engineer, 450 00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:16,885 and I knew that I wanted to get as far from the ugliness as I could. 451 00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:22,429 And I went to the division headquarters and I got a unit transfer application, 452 00:29:22,719 --> 00:29:26,565 dutifully filled it out the second day or third day that I was in country 453 00:29:26,848 --> 00:29:30,443 or in Chu Lai and then did not hear anything for four months. 454 00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:34,448 During that period, we were in Mo Duc building a bridge, 455 00:29:34,731 --> 00:29:38,361 and I took pictures and wrote a story about the project, 456 00:29:38,652 --> 00:29:42,282 and I submitted it to the 31 st public information office, 457 00:29:42,572 --> 00:29:46,042 and that was that, and about three weeks later or two weeks later, 458 00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:52,709 the squad leader over the radio received a call from the captain in charge of the engineers, 459 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,551 "Have Sorensen on the LZ at a certain hour with all his equipment, 460 00:29:57,838 --> 00:30:01,308 and the squad leader, of course, looked a little askance at me, 461 00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:04,140 Where are you going, and how'd you do it?" 462 00:30:04,428 --> 00:30:06,897 So anyway, I got on the LZ and the next thing I know, 463 00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:10,730 the captain's personal helicopter was there, picked me up, 464 00:30:11,018 --> 00:30:16,275 and then flew me back to Bronco, all of five miles, 465 00:30:16,565 --> 00:30:19,819 and the captain was in his jeep waiting to pick me up, 466 00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:24,490 and he looked at me and said, something to the effect that, 467 00:30:24,781 --> 00:30:28,957 "You look a little scruffy to be someone who's working in the rear now." 468 00:30:29,244 --> 00:30:33,090 He explained that I had been reassigned to the public information office. 469 00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:36,547 The story that I had written appeared in either "The Army Times" 470 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:40,840 and or "Stars and Stripes" and so someone said, 471 00:30:41,131 --> 00:30:45,011 "Take this guy out of the engineers and put him in the public information office." 472 00:30:45,302 --> 00:30:47,054 There happened to be an opening. 473 00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:49,565 So that was the transition, it was abrupt. 474 00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:52,692 There were four people assigned to the public information office 475 00:30:52,976 --> 00:30:55,195 and two of them were officers, two were enlisted. 476 00:30:55,479 --> 00:30:59,109 So I was in a position where I could come and go as I pleased 477 00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:04,781 as long as I maintained a certain flow of stories and pictures out of that office, 478 00:31:05,072 --> 00:31:07,825 they didn't care if I showed up. They didn't care what I did. 479 00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:14,169 Sort of to further add to the confusion and to the elation on my part, 480 00:31:14,456 --> 00:31:19,178 the division thought the brigade was in charge of the public information office, 481 00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:23,307 the brigade thought the division was in charge, so nobody was in charge. 482 00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:33,817 One of the things I did was fly with either the combat assault unit 483 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:38,402 or they had a light observation helicopter unit that did scouting work, 484 00:31:38,688 --> 00:31:43,319 or drew fire, or visual reconnaissance flights. 485 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:47,865 And there was a pilot named Rickert and I typically flew with him. 486 00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:52,832 Glenn Rickert was a captain, very accessible, very friendly. 487 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,420 When I had to take pictures, when we needed aerial photographs 488 00:31:56,706 --> 00:31:59,459 or reconnaissance photographs, I would go out, 489 00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:01,298 or if I needed to take pictures 490 00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:04,715 of a body or something like that, he would fly me out there. 491 00:32:18,311 --> 00:32:20,063 This is Glen Aurelius. 492 00:32:20,355 --> 00:32:24,030 He flew Light Observation Helicopters with Glenn Rickert in Vietnam in 1970. 493 00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:28,493 For him the Vietnam War represented an opportunity to pursue his love of flying. 494 00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:30,748 He works as a pilot to this clay. 495 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:35,458 I looked up to him, maybe a role model, 496 00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:37,167 I believe that would be the case. 497 00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:40,676 He had a commanding presence, soft-spoken. 498 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:43,087 I Wasn't the only one who would say this to him, 499 00:32:43,378 --> 00:32:46,803 but probably the first and I'd say it many times because we were close. 500 00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:49,218 The job we were doing was very dangerous, very risky. 501 00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:51,807 Every day you never knew what was going to happen. 502 00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:54,769 And I said, I told him a couple of times that 503 00:32:55,056 --> 00:32:57,775 I could do all of those trips and he wouldn't have to do any, 504 00:32:58,059 --> 00:33:02,439 because he had a wife and a child now, 505 00:33:02,731 --> 00:33:07,328 there was more to lose there if something happened to him. 506 00:33:07,611 --> 00:33:11,286 I remember the conversations with him, 507 00:33:11,573 --> 00:33:17,876 and he said "No," he said, "Thank you, but I really like flying these flights." 508 00:33:18,163 --> 00:33:21,643 Like my father and Ring Bailey, Glenn Rickert had only been married a short time 509 00:33:21,917 --> 00:33:26,718 before shipping out. His son Glenn Jr. Was only an infant at the time. 510 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:31,431 He and his mother Margie still live in Pennsylvania, not far from where Glenn Sr. Grew up. 511 00:33:31,718 --> 00:33:38,021 I think it was a little bit after the parade for Bucks County, 512 00:33:38,308 --> 00:33:42,233 Vietnam Memorial. I finally started realizing my heritage, 513 00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:45,900 so I finally wanted to get it all put together, the letters, 514 00:33:46,191 --> 00:33:52,039 the uniforms, things like that, so it was a lot of information 515 00:33:52,322 --> 00:33:57,795 so I figured I'd just kind of start throwing it all together in some type of format 516 00:33:58,078 --> 00:33:59,421 just so I could show people. 517 00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:01,877 Because a lot of people were asking after that time. 518 00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:05,840 And then, in school I did a project about his life, 519 00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:08,801 that helped out a lot, too, with being able to share that. 520 00:34:09,089 --> 00:34:11,089 He wanted to go, he wanted to do his part, 521 00:34:11,174 --> 00:34:13,268 and he really believed in what he was doing. 522 00:34:13,552 --> 00:34:17,056 It wasn't that he didn't feel that we should be there. 523 00:34:17,347 --> 00:34:21,193 I mean, of course everybody has mixed feelings about war, 524 00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:25,106 nobody likes war, but if you believe in what the purpose of it is, 525 00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:27,445 tying to liberate an oppressed people basically, 526 00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:29,826 that's what it comes down to and he believed in that. 527 00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:32,112 He was a very moral person. 528 00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:37,080 He was a Christian, so he valued life, every life, regardless of their politics. 529 00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:42,419 In Vietnam, there was a time when I was so wrapped up in the war 530 00:34:42,706 --> 00:34:46,085 and what I was doing over there, that I didn't really write regularly. 531 00:34:46,376 --> 00:34:51,803 I believe it was Glenn that told me one time that my parents were trying to get a hold of me 532 00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:56,015 or that the Red Cross had contacted him to tell me that I needed to write home. 533 00:34:56,303 --> 00:35:01,434 Because I hadn't written or contacted them for maybe a couple of months, 534 00:35:01,725 --> 00:35:04,945 and when you think about it, that's pretty sad 535 00:35:05,228 --> 00:35:07,572 with all that was going on on TV every day of the week, 536 00:35:07,856 --> 00:35:11,451 every hour there were pictures of helicopters being shot down 537 00:35:11,735 --> 00:35:13,988 and people getting killed by the thousands. 538 00:35:14,279 --> 00:35:19,786 So I thought it was very selfish of me to be that way and not communicate. 539 00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:21,919 I just isolated myself over there. 540 00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:27,425 I just really detached myself from there rest of the world, it just didn't exist. 541 00:35:27,709 --> 00:35:30,212 No newspapers, I didn't see any TV. 542 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:34,178 It was really what was going on right there and then. 543 00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:36,719 But then when the Red Cross contacted me 544 00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:43,689 through Glenn Rickert, then I realized there that I really needed to communicate, 545 00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:48,697 and that they cared and they wanted to hear from me, so it was a wake-up call. 546 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:50,900 Because of his morality and his beliefs, 547 00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:53,868 I believe that's why on weekends he would go to the orphanage. 548 00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:59,659 That was an outlet for him that he felt probably counteracted all the death and destruction, 549 00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:03,374 through the week whenever he could go to the orphanage 550 00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:07,292 and do something in a more positive vein, I think that was an outlet for him. 551 00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:11,428 He was really a very humane guy. He really cared about, 552 00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:16,137 he wasn't prejudiced, he didn't look at the Vietnamese as being- 553 00:36:16,424 --> 00:36:23,148 whereas some pilots you know, looked at the Vietnamese as being maybe inhuman, 554 00:36:23,431 --> 00:36:25,104 not like them. 555 00:36:25,392 --> 00:36:27,986 But really we were all the same, 556 00:36:28,269 --> 00:36:31,614 and Glenn looked at the Vietnamese, 557 00:36:31,898 --> 00:36:36,950 both the enemy and not the enemy, as being people. 558 00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:38,955 And there was an orphanage in Quang Ni. 559 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,040 He wanted me to do a favor for him. He had adopted an infant Vietnamese girl. 560 00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:46,125 She was probably six months, four months old. 561 00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:48,632 Anyway he asked as a favor, 562 00:36:48,915 --> 00:36:52,465 "Would you mind taking pictures of the baby so I can send them home to my wife." 563 00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:55,471 It was kind of strange because she was a part of his life, 564 00:36:55,755 --> 00:36:58,053 but of course to me it was just a picture. 565 00:36:58,341 --> 00:37:00,181 But I knew I'd be able to love her like he did. 566 00:37:00,427 --> 00:37:02,020 He flew me up there and we got out. 567 00:37:02,303 --> 00:37:06,308 I met the baby and took pictures and printed up some pictures for him. 568 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,944 I had it in our kitchen. I don't... Well, Glenn was so little. 569 00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:14,153 I also had a bank where I was saving money towards our R&R in Hawaii, 570 00:37:14,441 --> 00:37:17,570 so it was like Ian and the bank were right there. 571 00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:21,911 It was just, that was what we were, you know, 572 00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:25,202 that was our goal to get to R&R and then to adopt Ian. 573 00:37:27,954 --> 00:37:31,925 Glenn Rickert shot this 8mm footage while piloting his light observation helicopter 574 00:37:32,208 --> 00:37:34,336 over Vietnam in 1970. 575 00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:38,348 Margie told me that Glenn had always wanted to fly helicopters and that, in a way, 576 00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:40,554 he was very much in his element during the war. 577 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,401 For Ring Bailey, unfortunately, things were not going quite as well. 578 00:37:51,603 --> 00:37:56,825 So I think it was at least on two occasions, once before and once after, 579 00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:59,202 I was in the public information office, 580 00:37:59,486 --> 00:38:00,612 his unit... 581 00:38:00,904 --> 00:38:03,373 I crossed paths with his unit and he was there. 582 00:38:03,656 --> 00:38:06,079 And he was... 583 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:10,497 I got insights. 584 00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:17,297 He had no axe to grind, and he was an honest person... 585 00:38:17,587 --> 00:38:22,559 or candid with me. I had no reason to believe he'd color the facts... 586 00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:26,137 or would say anything that was inaccurate. 587 00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:32,402 But the first time he was seemingly pretty down in terms of spirits. 588 00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:37,782 The unit was involved with a company 589 00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:43,197 either practicing or calling in air-strikes on farmers, 590 00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:45,616 clearly not military targets, 591 00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:50,162 and they were either just for the hell of it or they were practicing. 592 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:54,924 There were situations like that, or just the day-to-day grind was getting him down, 593 00:38:55,208 --> 00:38:57,836 the lack of sleep, the physical work, 594 00:38:58,127 --> 00:39:02,473 the snipers, the ambushes that were set up night after night, 595 00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:05,135 He was not in a good place mentally, let's put it that way. 596 00:39:05,426 --> 00:39:08,179 He wasn't depressed, but he was exhausted, I think. 597 00:39:08,471 --> 00:39:12,396 I had a cat named Miranda. 598 00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:15,278 And I had her bred and she had kittens, 599 00:39:15,562 --> 00:39:21,035 and I had written him about the kittens, and here he was in the jungle and he said, 600 00:39:21,317 --> 00:39:26,323 "You know how I'd react, but its really hard for me to understand 601 00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:31,040 the joy of being a cat with kittens 602 00:39:31,327 --> 00:39:34,046 when I'm out here in the jungle." 603 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:38,335 The second time I saw him, we were about to get an opening in the public information office 604 00:39:38,626 --> 00:39:41,175 and I said, and in fact I had mentioned it last time, 605 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:47,765 if I can put your name in or would you mind if I put your name in for a position 606 00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:52,523 writing and taking photographs, and of course he jumped on it. 607 00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:56,027 And it was about the time that the vacancy became available 608 00:39:56,311 --> 00:39:57,984 that I found out that he was killed. 609 00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:00,399 It's just another day going out on patrol. 610 00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:04,031 We were getting toward evening. 611 00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:08,324 We were setting up a night defensive perimeter for the platoon. 612 00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:13,246 And so I had both Robert and Loring with me up on the knoll... 613 00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:20,044 giving out instructions, "Okay, we want our grenade launchers" 614 00:40:20,335 --> 00:40:22,554 to cover those gullies over there. 615 00:40:22,837 --> 00:40:28,640 "We want the M60's along this straight area, this flat area that's open." 616 00:40:28,927 --> 00:40:32,227 Normal things you would do to set up for a perimeter. 617 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:36,451 I can't recall exactly how long we were up there, 618 00:40:36,476 --> 00:40:39,156 but we were up there shuffling around this area for quite some time. 619 00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:43,154 Then I said, "Okay, let's get that set up" then I walked away, 620 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,034 and that's when the explosion went off. 621 00:40:48,154 --> 00:40:52,000 And to my knowledge, there wasn't anything left of either Loring or Robert. 622 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:56,914 I was blown through the air... what seemed like quite a long distance, 623 00:40:57,205 --> 00:41:00,550 but I really don't have any way of objectively measuring that. 624 00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:05,179 I know one individual about an arm's length in front of me... 625 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:09,218 had a big piece of shrapnel sticking out through his shoulder. 626 00:41:09,509 --> 00:41:14,731 He survived but had significant nerve damage on his right arm, his shoulder. 627 00:41:15,014 --> 00:41:21,067 It would have to have gone within inches or a foot of me to hit him, 628 00:41:21,354 --> 00:41:23,072 just with the line of sight. 629 00:41:23,356 --> 00:41:26,200 And I remember lying there, 630 00:41:27,694 --> 00:41:29,571 not knowing what the heck had happened. 631 00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:35,244 Ears are ringing and I remember saying, "My legs, my legs!" 632 00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:39,334 And another lieutenant came along, 633 00:41:39,622 --> 00:41:41,875 and I can still picture him. He said- 634 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:45,010 It seems funny but in this tragic situation... 635 00:41:45,294 --> 00:41:47,888 He said, "There's nothing wrong with your legs, Wilson, get up!" 636 00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:52,928 And so I got up... The rest of it's pretty hazy. 637 00:41:53,219 --> 00:41:57,565 Every night somebody had to go in at 12:00 at our office, 638 00:41:57,849 --> 00:42:01,899 the information office, and then go over to the tactical operations center 639 00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:07,534 where all of the communications from the fields was filtered into one room, 640 00:42:07,817 --> 00:42:11,196 a sort of action room, or war room, 641 00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:15,708 where the colonel could come and see the area of operation and see where various units are, 642 00:42:15,992 --> 00:42:20,168 what military intelligence was telling us, where people were. 643 00:42:20,455 --> 00:42:26,553 And then there was a list on a corner of enemy and friendly missing in action, 644 00:42:26,836 --> 00:42:28,759 killed in action, wounded in action. 645 00:42:29,047 --> 00:42:33,268 That particular day, I was on duty, and so I had to go over and I went over at noontime-... 646 00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:36,054 Or not noontime, at midnight. 647 00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:42,899 On the board it said two KIA, 1st and the 20th. 648 00:42:43,186 --> 00:42:46,406 Before I went back to wire it in, I went down 649 00:42:46,689 --> 00:42:49,158 to graves registrations, where the bodies went. 650 00:42:49,442 --> 00:42:53,163 And anyway I asked the enlisted in charge 651 00:42:53,446 --> 00:42:55,006 the names of the people who were killed. 652 00:42:55,156 --> 00:42:59,502 One was a sergeant and the other was Loring Bailey. 653 00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:01,386 And I said "How'd he die?" And he said... 654 00:43:01,454 --> 00:43:07,086 The euphemisms for a booby trap, a mine or booby trap, 655 00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:09,845 was traumatic amputation. 656 00:43:10,129 --> 00:43:15,636 So he died of traumatic amputations. 657 00:43:15,927 --> 00:43:21,684 Then he sort of sarcastically said, "Do you want to see the body?" and I declined. 658 00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:24,523 I didn't think I could take it. 659 00:43:24,811 --> 00:43:30,944 Anyway, I dutifully went back to the detachment and called the division, 660 00:43:31,234 --> 00:43:37,537 called the numbers in and Loring became a number. He went from a person to a number. 661 00:43:37,824 --> 00:43:43,877 The device that killed both Loring and Robert 662 00:43:44,163 --> 00:43:47,133 was either an artillery round or a mortar round, 663 00:43:47,416 --> 00:43:52,343 and we suspect that it was either a 155mm round or a 175mm round, 664 00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:57,477 and that was triggered, we think, 665 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,105 by a battery and a couple of metal plates. 666 00:44:01,389 --> 00:44:05,235 And when the contact was made, completed the circuit, and up it went. 667 00:44:05,518 --> 00:44:07,191 The officer... 668 00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:11,733 that came and announced Ring's death... 669 00:44:14,235 --> 00:44:20,038 I was at work and I was putting my coat and hat on the rack 670 00:44:20,324 --> 00:44:25,501 and I heard someone say, "He just came up on the elevator." And then... 671 00:44:25,788 --> 00:44:29,964 another man that worked with me came down and said, 672 00:44:30,251 --> 00:44:34,222 "Look, they want you in the conference room right away." 673 00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:41,229 So he and I walked up to the office and he opened the door, 674 00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:47,565 and I stepped in thinking he would come in right behind me, but he closed the door. 675 00:44:47,852 --> 00:44:51,026 And here I was face to face 676 00:44:51,314 --> 00:44:54,944 with a service officer, a major, 677 00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:58,454 and a sergeant major. 678 00:44:58,738 --> 00:45:01,662 And he was on one side of the board table 679 00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:05,078 and I was facing him across the table 680 00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:10,842 and the sergeant was on his right. 681 00:45:11,125 --> 00:45:16,632 And he introduced himself as Major So-and-So, I can't think of his name right now. 682 00:45:16,923 --> 00:45:21,269 But his daughter worked at SUPSHIP across the street, 683 00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:27,400 so we had a little chat about the fact that I knew his daughter. 684 00:45:27,683 --> 00:45:31,483 Then he said, "I have some..." Well, I looked at him, 685 00:45:31,771 --> 00:45:34,024 and it was perfectly reasonable. 686 00:45:34,315 --> 00:45:39,287 I saw that he had a bronze oak leaf, 687 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:43,871 and the device on his lapel indicated 688 00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:48,538 that he was of the engineer corps, 689 00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:51,127 corps of engineers. 690 00:45:51,415 --> 00:45:57,297 That seemed to be perfectly normal to me, so, what's this all about? 691 00:45:57,588 --> 00:46:00,057 It never dawned on me 692 00:46:00,341 --> 00:46:04,938 until he said, "I have some very bad news for you." 693 00:46:07,223 --> 00:46:10,067 And even then, until he went to work and said, 694 00:46:10,351 --> 00:46:16,029 "Your son was killed on the 15th, Monday the 15th." 695 00:46:16,315 --> 00:46:20,036 And this was Wednesday, just two days later. 696 00:46:25,408 --> 00:46:28,912 March 17th darling, March 17th. 697 00:46:33,499 --> 00:46:34,751 And that was a... 698 00:46:37,003 --> 00:46:38,801 that was a tough thing. 699 00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:26,720 My mother called me and told me that he was gone. 700 00:47:27,011 --> 00:47:29,139 I mean, she just said, "He's gone." 701 00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:33,151 And I walked out the back door and I went home, 702 00:47:33,434 --> 00:47:37,280 and I went home and you know, you see it in movies 703 00:47:37,563 --> 00:47:43,241 the olive green sedan, 704 00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:46,827 with the dress uniforms, that drives up to the house. 705 00:47:47,114 --> 00:47:50,994 And there was the olive green sedan in front of my mother's house, 706 00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:52,912 and my sister was there... 707 00:48:04,757 --> 00:48:07,385 - I'm sorry. - It's okay. 708 00:48:09,345 --> 00:48:11,313 And the Army men were there, 709 00:48:11,597 --> 00:48:15,022 and their shoes were so, so fucking shiny. 710 00:48:16,352 --> 00:48:22,860 At the time that we were informed of his death, 711 00:48:24,235 --> 00:48:27,705 the officer that was responsible 712 00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:31,993 went to the apartment, the address that Ring had. 713 00:48:32,284 --> 00:48:37,757 That was his abode at the time that he went into the service was Hartford. 714 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,762 So that officer went to the Hartford apartment 715 00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:49,223 and he received a very unpleasant greeting 716 00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:52,389 from a member of Marie's family. 717 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,024 When they were leaving, 718 00:48:55,307 --> 00:49:00,279 I said to him in my anger, I said, 719 00:49:00,563 --> 00:49:02,611 "It's too bad he was fighting on the wrong side." 720 00:49:02,898 --> 00:49:06,368 The young brother, Marie's young brother 721 00:49:06,652 --> 00:49:11,579 was sort of a wild kid in college, 722 00:49:11,866 --> 00:49:15,291 and I don't know what the name of the association was, 723 00:49:15,578 --> 00:49:20,835 but he represented the ultra extreme 724 00:49:21,125 --> 00:49:24,049 student opposition to the war. 725 00:49:24,336 --> 00:49:27,510 I was involved in antiwar activity. 726 00:49:27,798 --> 00:49:30,221 I had a choice when I went to college. 727 00:49:30,509 --> 00:49:36,141 Some of my friends went further to the left, went to what they called the Weather Underground. 728 00:49:36,432 --> 00:49:41,563 I was involved with a group called Students for a Democratic Society, it was SDS. 729 00:49:41,854 --> 00:49:45,904 And I went with what was called the moratorium. 730 00:49:46,192 --> 00:49:50,413 The moratorium was symbolized by the dove, 731 00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:53,040 and it was the peace movement. 732 00:49:53,324 --> 00:49:59,548 And it wasn't just kids like us with long hair. It was grandmothers. 733 00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:06,554 It was real people who really wanted to end this war and make the world a better place. 734 00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:11,092 So I talked with the older brother, 735 00:50:11,383 --> 00:50:14,853 and I gave him a little bit of a warning, I said, 736 00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:18,767 "As a result of Rik's involvement... 737 00:50:20,476 --> 00:50:25,152 I think you should be aware that I've been informed 738 00:50:25,439 --> 00:50:28,784 that there's a possibility 739 00:50:29,068 --> 00:50:32,618 that students may go to work and demonstrate." 740 00:50:32,905 --> 00:50:35,829 They were concerned about me at the funeral. 741 00:50:38,494 --> 00:50:43,716 They were concerned that I'd do things that, I don't know... 742 00:50:45,793 --> 00:50:47,921 All I did was cry. 743 00:50:49,755 --> 00:50:51,883 I couldn't drive my car. 744 00:50:52,174 --> 00:50:56,224 I've never known that amount of grief ever. 745 00:50:58,430 --> 00:51:04,233 Loring M Bailey Jr. was killed on March 15, 1970 in an explosion that also killed 746 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,616 19-year-old Staff Sergeant Robert A. Wood of Savannah, Georgia. 747 00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:11,994 In a letter to my mother dated March 17th my father wrote, 748 00:51:12,278 --> 00:51:16,374 "I just learned yesterday that a good friend of mine was killed by a booby trap. 749 00:51:16,657 --> 00:51:19,581 I'm sure you remember me speaking of a Loring Bailey after OCS 750 00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:22,542 and a few months ago when I met him on LZ Liz. 751 00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:24,832 It is such a damn waste. 752 00:51:25,124 --> 00:51:28,879 I tried ever since I got a job in the rear to get him into the office and out of the field. 753 00:51:29,169 --> 00:51:32,343 Now I feel like I didn't try hard enough." 754 00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:36,352 A little over two months later on May 20, the helicopter Glenn Rickert was piloting 755 00:51:36,635 --> 00:51:38,854 received enemy fire, and he was killed. 756 00:51:39,138 --> 00:51:44,360 It's hard to recollect because I wasn't there, but from the information that I got, 757 00:51:44,643 --> 00:51:46,270 which was sparse, 758 00:51:46,562 --> 00:51:48,610 and the Way I envision it in my mind 759 00:51:48,897 --> 00:51:54,529 is that he was on a combat assault, 760 00:51:54,820 --> 00:52:00,293 combat recon. He had cover, aerial cover, 761 00:52:00,576 --> 00:52:04,206 with maybe some other types of gunships or maybe another LOH. 762 00:52:04,496 --> 00:52:10,799 More than likely other gunships and he was... 763 00:52:11,086 --> 00:52:14,556 doing low-level reconnaissance, I believe. 764 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,061 When I say that, we're talking about five feet above the ground, 765 00:52:19,345 --> 00:52:23,020 hovering around low and slow blowing the bushes away, 766 00:52:23,307 --> 00:52:26,311 looking behind rocks and looking for tunnels. 767 00:52:26,602 --> 00:52:29,321 I believe it was on the side of a mountain, 768 00:52:29,605 --> 00:52:35,032 maybe 150 feet or 200 feet above the valley. 769 00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:39,290 It wasn't unusual to uncover hiding places, 770 00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:44,170 and have people get up and start moving and running and shooting. 771 00:52:44,453 --> 00:52:47,753 From what I was told that's what happened. 772 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,340 He uncovered the enemy or somebody was there 773 00:52:51,627 --> 00:52:54,676 and maybe from behind a rock they shot him down. 774 00:52:54,963 --> 00:53:01,141 The bullet that killed him actually came in through his back, through his shoulder, 775 00:53:01,428 --> 00:53:05,649 and hit his heart, so it was instant. 776 00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:10,484 So somehow, even though he had protective armor on, 777 00:53:10,771 --> 00:53:14,571 it came in at a side angle, but still directly hit his heart. 778 00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:18,112 I was thankful it wasn't a painful death. 779 00:53:18,404 --> 00:53:23,786 For us it was very decisive and we knew that it was quick. 780 00:53:24,076 --> 00:53:27,546 I mean, that's small comfort, but... 781 00:53:27,830 --> 00:53:31,835 I don't remember too much about Vietnam after that day actually. 782 00:53:32,126 --> 00:53:38,429 I'm not sure of the day, whether it was close to the end of my tour, I don't know, 783 00:53:38,716 --> 00:53:40,559 but I don't really have much of a recollection 784 00:53:40,843 --> 00:53:45,269 of Vietnam or what happened after that sad day. 785 00:53:45,556 --> 00:53:48,951 Before Glenn Rickert's body was shipped home, there was a short memorial service 786 00:53:48,976 --> 00:53:51,775 held to honor the popular captain. 787 00:53:52,062 --> 00:53:55,422 When my father was given the assignment to shoot these pictures he initially refused, 788 00:53:55,649 --> 00:53:58,198 so saddened was he by the loss of his colleague. 789 00:53:58,485 --> 00:54:00,704 When threatened with an Article 15 letter of reprimand, 790 00:54:00,988 --> 00:54:03,662 he reluctantly documented the ceremony. 791 00:54:03,949 --> 00:54:08,876 We had been living up in Sellersville, Glenn Jr. and myself. 792 00:54:09,163 --> 00:54:13,669 And that Saturday there was a Memorial Day parade 793 00:54:13,959 --> 00:54:17,463 and of course it came right down past our house, and we were outside. 794 00:54:17,755 --> 00:54:19,928 And then it came down to the little town square 795 00:54:20,215 --> 00:54:26,769 and they had a little ceremony, and I'll always remember at that time I prayed 796 00:54:27,055 --> 00:54:32,152 and was thinking about all the women who were widows 797 00:54:32,436 --> 00:54:36,532 or had lost loved ones, or mothers who had lost loved ones. 798 00:54:36,815 --> 00:54:42,367 I said a prayer for them, just in remembrance because this was a Memorial Day parade 799 00:54:42,654 --> 00:54:44,656 and the next clay was Sunday. 800 00:54:44,948 --> 00:54:50,170 I had gone with Glenn's parents and then we came home to Glenn's parents' home in Souderton. 801 00:54:50,454 --> 00:54:54,334 We came in the back door, and as we came in the back door, 802 00:54:54,625 --> 00:54:57,469 the doorbell was ringing at the front. 803 00:54:57,753 --> 00:55:04,136 And I walked through the living room and saw the uniform and you just know. 804 00:55:04,426 --> 00:55:10,433 So I opened the door, and the poor guy there, I said, "Just tell me he's not dead." 805 00:55:10,724 --> 00:55:12,692 And of course, what could he say? 806 00:55:12,976 --> 00:55:15,149 Just, "I regret to inform you." 807 00:55:15,437 --> 00:55:20,238 And then Glenn's morn came in the room behind me and she just started crying, 808 00:55:20,526 --> 00:55:22,528 because she just knew. 809 00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:24,822 I mean, that's a day I'll always remember. 810 00:55:25,113 --> 00:55:28,788 I'm feeling emotions right now because it's just something you don't ever want to hear, 811 00:55:29,076 --> 00:55:30,919 but the minute you see the uniform, 812 00:55:31,203 --> 00:55:33,163 you know they're not coming to tell you he's fine. 813 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,298 You know that it's bad news. 814 00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:37,380 So that's how we found out. We were together. 815 00:55:37,668 --> 00:55:42,970 And After Glenn had been killed, the proceedings just stopped. 816 00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:47,854 I had received one phone call the week I found out Glenn was killed. 817 00:55:48,136 --> 00:55:51,060 They said, "We're sorry," and they hung up, 818 00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:54,978 and if I had wanted to go on, I had no connections, 819 00:55:55,269 --> 00:55:57,522 because Glenn was handling everything over there. 820 00:55:57,813 --> 00:56:02,569 And it's been a source of guilt, like, whatever happened to Ian? 821 00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:08,162 I pray that maybe someone else adopted her, or that she was able to come here to America. 822 00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:11,076 But I often wonder what happened to her. 823 00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:14,872 Every once in a while I wonder if in fact this child got over here. 824 00:56:16,874 --> 00:56:22,881 The follow up, again, the psychology or my psychology was such, 825 00:56:23,171 --> 00:56:26,211 and I think the psychology of a lot of the people that served over there was, 826 00:56:26,425 --> 00:56:27,847 you serve your time, you get back 827 00:56:28,135 --> 00:56:30,513 and then you get back into the world and you do your thing, 828 00:56:30,804 --> 00:56:32,084 which is essentially what I did. 829 00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:29,197 Where Ring's death fell in terms of my activity, 830 00:57:29,488 --> 00:57:35,166 I can't really recall now. 831 00:57:36,787 --> 00:57:40,417 After he was killed, 832 00:57:40,707 --> 00:57:42,801 we defaced a billboard. 833 00:57:43,085 --> 00:57:47,761 The billboard said, "To an unemployed veteran... peace is hell." 834 00:57:48,048 --> 00:57:51,769 And so we changed it with spray paint, "To a dead veteran... war is hell." 835 00:57:52,052 --> 00:57:55,602 And for the first time in the history of the Hartford Times newspaper, 836 00:57:55,889 --> 00:57:58,517 they printed a picture on the editorial page. 837 00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:01,688 We wrote this letter about it called "Yours and uncertainty." 838 00:58:01,979 --> 00:58:05,404 We called ourselves "the Children of American Blood." 839 00:58:07,693 --> 00:58:11,414 But we were young, and we were immature. 840 00:58:11,697 --> 00:58:16,294 When President Nixon mined Haiphong Harbor, 841 00:58:16,576 --> 00:58:20,706 a group of us, maybe 20 of us, got together. 842 00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:27,597 We got 40-gallon steel drums and we made mines out of them. 843 00:58:27,879 --> 00:58:32,555 We painted "Kaboom" on them and tied them with ropes and cinder blocks, 844 00:58:32,843 --> 00:58:35,153 and in the middle of the night, drove over the Connecticut River 845 00:58:35,178 --> 00:58:38,478 and dropped these drums off into the river and drove to the other side. 846 00:58:38,765 --> 00:58:41,939 When it was all secure, people called all the media and said, 847 00:58:42,227 --> 00:58:46,152 "We mined the Connecticut River," in a protest. 848 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,784 I used to say "Nixon," now I say "President Nixon." 849 00:58:49,067 --> 00:58:53,573 I hate the man, but there's a respect that's important. 850 00:58:53,864 --> 00:58:57,994 And then we held a press conference in front of city hall in Hartford 851 00:58:58,285 --> 00:59:00,413 and turned ourselves in. 852 00:59:00,704 --> 00:59:04,083 This is what we did and this is why we did it. 853 00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:09,631 But that put the people onto us, whoever they were... 854 00:59:11,131 --> 00:59:13,850 the FBI, or army intelligence, whoever they were 855 00:59:14,134 --> 00:59:17,013 and they were parked outside our apartment so... 856 00:59:19,097 --> 00:59:22,818 So we moved, I was the last one to leave and I came to Vermont... 857 00:59:24,144 --> 00:59:26,146 The safety of Vermont. 858 00:59:26,438 --> 00:59:29,988 We were no more liberating that country than we're liberating Iraq. 859 00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:36,957 We weren't even invading. We were trying to prop up 860 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,585 a puppet state to our own ends, 861 00:59:40,869 --> 00:59:45,591 either for economic reasons or to "stop communism." 862 00:59:45,874 --> 00:59:47,217 Stop the domino from falling. 863 00:59:47,501 --> 00:59:50,755 He changed. He was always pretty serious, 864 00:59:51,046 --> 00:59:54,926 but I think this experience would be life-changing for anyone, 865 00:59:55,217 --> 00:59:56,817 and I think it was life changing for him. 866 00:59:56,927 --> 01:00:02,650 In the immediate return, his startle response was high. 867 01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:06,358 We were driving home from a trip right after he got back, 868 01:00:06,645 --> 01:00:11,776 and a helicopter flew over and he almost dove out of the car. 869 01:00:12,067 --> 01:00:14,002 He was just much more... and that would be typical. 870 01:00:14,027 --> 01:00:19,784 And I also think it made him more grave, and a little bit darker. 871 01:00:20,075 --> 01:00:22,328 I feel guilt about surviving. 872 01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:28,126 That doesn't go away. Collateral damage extends not only to the individual who survives, 873 01:00:28,416 --> 01:00:32,637 or is in fact killed, but there's a ripple effect. 874 01:00:32,921 --> 01:00:37,347 It effects the family in physical and psychological ways. 875 01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:41,104 Elizabeth essentially has had to contend 876 01:00:41,388 --> 01:00:44,016 with a different person than she married after one year. 877 01:00:44,307 --> 01:00:50,690 The person you had or my offspring experienced a different person than I was 878 01:00:50,981 --> 01:00:56,579 before I went in the military, and those things don't go away. 879 01:00:56,862 --> 01:01:01,493 Those things are perpetuated. 880 01:01:01,783 --> 01:01:05,287 It's like the ringing in my ears from the concussion. 881 01:01:05,579 --> 01:01:09,129 It's there all the time and it's very close to the surface 882 01:01:09,416 --> 01:01:11,293 and I can hear it all the time. 883 01:01:11,585 --> 01:01:17,308 Sometimes it's louder, sometimes it's softer, but it's always there. 884 01:01:17,591 --> 01:01:23,439 That's self-serving because I also know that it affects my son, my daughter, my wife. 885 01:01:23,722 --> 01:01:26,396 It's not that I feel guilty for surviving. I just- 886 01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:30,232 I just... 887 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,525 Why do these things happen? 888 01:01:34,816 --> 01:01:36,739 It's hard. I'm trying to find the right words. 889 01:01:37,027 --> 01:01:39,906 I'm not guilty for surviving... 890 01:01:40,197 --> 01:01:44,703 but I guess you wonder, well... 891 01:01:44,993 --> 01:01:49,749 what made me walk away at the moment? Where was I going? 892 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,510 Was I truly done there? Did somebody call me away to do something else? 893 01:01:55,629 --> 01:01:56,801 Why wasn't I there? 894 01:01:57,088 --> 01:02:01,764 I went years and years dealing with the symptoms, 895 01:02:02,052 --> 01:02:06,728 and then we figured out, "Oh, of course, it's post traumatic." 896 01:02:07,015 --> 01:02:11,566 So one of the options here is to take some anti-depressants or whatever, 897 01:02:11,853 --> 01:02:16,484 which didn't seem to do the job. 898 01:02:16,775 --> 01:02:23,454 But it's still there. It's not necessarily going to kill you, but it's there. 899 01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:28,541 You can't rationalize it. You can identify it, but you can't make it go away. 900 01:02:28,828 --> 01:02:32,458 I would like to be able to remember everyone's face that I lost in my unit. 901 01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:34,547 I would like to know the names. 902 01:02:34,834 --> 01:02:39,681 I would like to be able to, in some way, go back through those... 903 01:02:39,965 --> 01:02:42,184 Even though they were horrible things... 904 01:02:44,636 --> 01:02:49,267 Because I just feel like I'm not doing justice to them 905 01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:52,857 to not be able to remember who the heck they were when... 906 01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:57,240 they died there right in front of me doing things we were all supposed to be doing. 907 01:02:57,524 --> 01:03:00,619 I have a very low startle threshold. 908 01:03:00,902 --> 01:03:03,496 If I was napping or if you came up behind me in the garage 909 01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:05,782 and tapped me on the shoulders, 910 01:03:06,074 --> 01:03:11,456 my reaction is to spin around or put up my hands, or somehow go into a defensive position. 911 01:03:11,746 --> 01:03:13,339 I'm telegraphing to, 912 01:03:13,623 --> 01:03:18,880 whether it's Elizabeth or you or my daughter that the world is hostile. 913 01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:21,798 If you want to survive, this is how you have to be, 914 01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:24,889 and it's an unspoken message, it's telegraphed. 915 01:03:25,176 --> 01:03:28,476 I remember him overreacting to certain things, 916 01:03:28,763 --> 01:03:33,485 but the thing is that that's sort of, that's Dad. 917 01:03:33,768 --> 01:03:37,818 So he will overreact to things, but then it'll be fine. 918 01:03:38,106 --> 01:03:41,656 And his overreaction wasn't a big deal to me, ever. 919 01:03:41,943 --> 01:03:46,414 Ever. It was just the way it was and it's sort of like, 920 01:03:46,698 --> 01:03:49,542 I knew it wasn't something that he could control. 921 01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:56,505 My daughter, my son, my wife have experienced somebody who, since coming back, 922 01:03:56,791 --> 01:04:01,547 often times does not take that step of thinking, 923 01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:03,806 but reacts as if in the jungle. 924 01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:07,344 He's definitely been affected by Vietnam. 925 01:04:07,635 --> 01:04:11,936 I mean, he probably was a different person before Vietnam, 926 01:04:12,223 --> 01:04:14,383 but he's not a bad person now. He's a great person now. 927 01:04:14,476 --> 01:04:17,650 Living with guilt is awful, and I think that guilt and regret and remorse 928 01:04:17,937 --> 01:04:20,065 and all those things are real wastes of emotion, 929 01:04:20,357 --> 01:04:22,030 because you can do something about them. 930 01:04:22,317 --> 01:04:26,072 So if you feel guilty about something what can you choose to do? 931 01:04:26,363 --> 01:04:31,415 I always had this interest in terms of finding where Loring Bailey was buried. 932 01:04:31,701 --> 01:04:33,703 I checked a couple graves registrations 933 01:04:33,995 --> 01:04:36,714 and went on the Internet when the Internet was available, 934 01:04:36,998 --> 01:04:38,875 and found nothing in the immediate area. 935 01:04:39,167 --> 01:04:45,550 And of course 20 years later, it was our first Memorial Day weekend here in Mystic. 936 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,609 Elizabeth said, "You're not going to believe," 937 01:04:47,634 --> 01:04:49,557 or, "Take a look at the front page of the paper." 938 01:04:49,844 --> 01:04:54,850 And the front page of the paper had that picture I showed you of Loring Bailey, the son, 939 01:04:55,141 --> 01:04:59,897 in Vietnam, and the story that accompanied it had to do with Memorial Day 940 01:05:00,188 --> 01:05:04,910 and the mother and father living in Stonington which is four miles away, 941 01:05:05,193 --> 01:05:07,696 three miles away, and the fact Loring is buried 942 01:05:07,987 --> 01:05:10,006 less than two miles from where I'm living right now. 943 01:05:10,031 --> 01:05:14,161 In any case, I read the article and was incredulous that after all these years, 944 01:05:14,452 --> 01:05:19,253 and my failure to find where he was buried, the front page of the newspaper, 945 01:05:19,541 --> 01:05:24,138 sort of rubbed my nose in it saying, "Here they are, here's the family." 946 01:05:24,421 --> 01:05:27,550 So I picked up the telephone, introduced myself, 947 01:05:27,841 --> 01:05:31,596 "I apologize in advance if this is a painful subject, 948 01:05:31,886 --> 01:05:35,166 but I just wanted to let you know I knew your son, and he was a wonderful person." 949 01:05:35,265 --> 01:05:36,642 Your father said... 950 01:05:39,269 --> 01:05:45,618 "You don't know who I am, but I was with your son 951 01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:51,623 in Vietnam and I was with him at OCS." 952 01:05:51,906 --> 01:05:56,457 And I said, "Oh, where are you?" 953 01:05:56,744 --> 01:05:58,667 "Well," he said, "I'm in Old Mystic." 954 01:05:58,955 --> 01:06:05,588 The thought that I had was, "Well, he must have picked up Rings name from the stone, 955 01:06:05,879 --> 01:06:09,679 the monument down in Old Mystic. 956 01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:14,062 And I hesitate to call you because I didn't want to bring back bad memories, 957 01:06:14,345 --> 01:06:15,517 and I hope you don't mind." 958 01:06:15,805 --> 01:06:20,060 He said, "I don't mind at all." 959 01:06:20,351 --> 01:06:26,825 I said, "I'll stop by sometime," and he said, "What are you doing in 10 minutes?" 960 01:06:27,108 --> 01:06:30,203 "We would like very much to see you." 961 01:06:32,864 --> 01:06:38,587 And he said, "Well I'd be glad to come over, and I'll come over as soon as I change my clothes." 962 01:06:41,331 --> 01:06:45,211 And I said, "Well that's fine." I hung up. 963 01:06:45,502 --> 01:06:47,470 I turned to Dot and I said, 964 01:06:47,754 --> 01:06:51,258 "I have no idea where he is, he's going in to change his clothes. 965 01:06:51,549 --> 01:06:55,474 He couldn't have been at the monument in Old Mystic." 966 01:06:57,055 --> 01:07:01,060 It never dawned on me that he was living in the area. 967 01:07:01,351 --> 01:07:08,109 So he came up to the front door and that's how we met, at the front door. 968 01:07:08,399 --> 01:07:10,117 It was quite interesting. 969 01:07:10,401 --> 01:07:13,780 We've been visiting each other ever since. 970 01:07:14,072 --> 01:07:18,293 And, as I told them, I was, for 20 years, 30 years, 971 01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:22,626 more interested in where he was buried than where they were living, 972 01:07:22,914 --> 01:07:27,920 which is probably a regret or probably a monumental oversight, 973 01:07:28,211 --> 01:07:30,179 but that's the way it played out. 974 01:07:30,463 --> 01:07:35,469 And I think he felt like he helped them to really get to understand what their son's... 975 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,229 Some of the times that he spent in the last year of his life, 976 01:07:38,513 --> 01:07:41,107 because when your son is in training or OCS. 977 01:07:41,391 --> 01:07:43,234 So just the stories he could tell, 978 01:07:43,518 --> 01:07:46,112 a little bit about what his last months might have been like, 979 01:07:46,396 --> 01:07:47,989 or what it was like in Vietnam. 980 01:07:48,273 --> 01:07:51,073 I know he thinks he performed a service and really was helpful to them. 981 01:07:51,234 --> 01:07:57,867 Dorothy obviously feels a loss, and is still very, very sensitive. 982 01:07:58,157 --> 01:08:01,707 Not to say he isn't, but he's in military history 983 01:08:01,995 --> 01:08:07,718 and that kind of thing and follows the history of his son's involvement. 984 01:08:08,001 --> 01:08:11,505 And then when we talk we talk about, typically I'm talking to the father. 985 01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:15,175 I think about him now and it's just sadness, 986 01:08:15,466 --> 01:08:20,017 that a man would lose his son at the age of 24. 987 01:08:20,305 --> 01:08:22,774 That the whole lifetime would be taken away. 988 01:08:23,057 --> 01:08:28,780 And now here I am, I'm 60 years old and my son is a Marine. 989 01:08:29,063 --> 01:08:34,035 And who'd of thought that my son would be a Marine? 990 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,414 Now I fly an American flag in front of my house, 991 01:08:37,697 --> 01:08:39,290 and I wouldn't have thought of it then, 992 01:08:39,574 --> 01:08:43,169 or I would have flown it upside down or something like that. 993 01:08:43,453 --> 01:08:46,093 I think it's fascinating, that at least you've told me, 994 01:08:46,372 --> 01:08:49,492 a number of people you've been in touch with about this process of making this, 995 01:08:49,626 --> 01:08:54,257 working on this film, where they have said, "I never thought I'd talk to anybody about this." 996 01:08:54,547 --> 01:08:56,424 I've never talked about this before." 997 01:08:56,716 --> 01:09:00,141 So remember that Dad, and many people, 998 01:09:00,428 --> 01:09:02,548 they don't talk about themselves unless they're asked. 999 01:09:02,722 --> 01:09:04,522 I'll talk about myself whether you ask or not. 1000 01:09:04,807 --> 01:09:08,232 Dad's introverted, so if you look at type he's an introvert. 1001 01:09:08,519 --> 01:09:12,774 He generally needs to be drawn out. 1002 01:09:13,066 --> 01:09:16,411 And so when people say, "How was the war?" They want you to say "Fine." 1003 01:09:16,694 --> 01:09:19,547 And they might say, you know, "What was the best thing that happened to you 1004 01:09:19,572 --> 01:09:21,324 or the worst thing that happened?" 1005 01:09:21,616 --> 01:09:24,761 But if you sit down and say, "I want to know what was the hardest thing about it?" 1006 01:09:24,786 --> 01:09:27,505 or "What was the best thing about it?" or "What elated you?" 1007 01:09:27,789 --> 01:09:29,974 Those, I believe are the things that he's willing to talk about. 1008 01:09:29,999 --> 01:09:33,003 But you need to feel the interest when you're somebody that has 1009 01:09:33,294 --> 01:09:36,639 his particular type, and I would think that'd be true of almost anybody. 1010 01:09:36,923 --> 01:09:40,928 It's not a conversation I ever have. No one's interested. 1011 01:09:41,219 --> 01:09:42,971 You're interested. 1012 01:09:43,262 --> 01:09:47,108 Would you be interested if your father had not had a similar type of experience? 1013 01:09:47,392 --> 01:09:51,397 Would you be asking these questions and things? Maybe you would... 1014 01:09:53,481 --> 01:09:59,033 but this starts out with you wanting to know more about your father, 1015 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,822 and what his experience was, 1016 01:10:01,114 --> 01:10:05,164 and what was going on at the time, and how did he deal with all this. 1017 01:10:07,412 --> 01:10:09,540 Was that the thing that started you? 1018 01:10:09,831 --> 01:10:13,226 I mean, if you hadn't had that connection would it just have been something that happened 1019 01:10:13,251 --> 01:10:15,800 in history, and you wouldn't be here today? 1020 01:10:16,087 --> 01:10:19,842 I'm really glad you're here and I'm really glad I have a chance... 1021 01:10:21,634 --> 01:10:28,233 to talk about Ring. I'm just thrilled that I have a chance to... 1022 01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:29,938 let this out. 1023 01:10:30,226 --> 01:10:35,357 I'm talking to you today because of the way you presented yourself 1024 01:10:35,648 --> 01:10:40,245 as someone who's got a serious interest in putting together a little piece of history, 1025 01:10:40,528 --> 01:10:43,372 some people that are intertwined somehow, 1026 01:10:43,656 --> 01:10:47,536 and if there was something I could say that would add to that, 1027 01:10:47,827 --> 01:10:50,330 I'd be happy to do that, 1028 01:10:50,621 --> 01:10:53,545 although I've never had a conversation like this with anybody else before. 1029 01:10:53,833 --> 01:11:00,011 When David graduated from Paris Island, and he was a young recruit, 1030 01:11:00,298 --> 01:11:04,644 Paris Island, eyes like deer in headlights. 1031 01:11:04,927 --> 01:11:08,932 We brought him home, and we passed through airports, 1032 01:11:09,223 --> 01:11:13,820 and it was obvious that we were parents and he was a Marine. 1033 01:11:14,103 --> 01:11:20,827 And people came out of the crowd to shake his hand, to pat him on the back. 1034 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:24,831 The respect was overwhelming, 1035 01:11:25,114 --> 01:11:29,164 and as a parent it just made us immensely proud. 1036 01:11:29,452 --> 01:11:33,548 And I'm sure that that's what Mr. Bailey felt. 1037 01:11:33,831 --> 01:11:40,555 But the pride and the respect for my son is wonderful. 1038 01:11:40,838 --> 01:11:43,387 Is wonderful, you know, 1039 01:11:43,674 --> 01:11:45,234 and I see it and I hear it all the time. 1040 01:11:45,343 --> 01:11:47,437 People say, "How's your boy doing? Where is he now?" 1041 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,815 And I always say, "Thanks for asking. 1042 01:11:51,098 --> 01:11:53,851 Thanks for asking because we're very proud of him, too." 1043 01:11:54,143 --> 01:11:55,611 I have to say it's been interesting. 1044 01:11:55,895 --> 01:11:58,318 I have run into some people in the last few years, 1045 01:11:58,606 --> 01:12:02,406 and not just when you go in and see a doctor at the VA, 1046 01:12:02,693 --> 01:12:05,367 because they're all primed to say, "Thank you for your service." 1047 01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:09,455 That's kind of part of their mantra down there. 1048 01:12:09,742 --> 01:12:11,289 But I have run into other people 1049 01:12:11,577 --> 01:12:16,208 and it's caught me quite off guard when somehow they've found out... 1050 01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:19,594 And I'm not sure, I can't point to a specific conversation... 1051 01:12:19,877 --> 01:12:26,635 But when they find out that I was in Vietnam and I was in the infantry, 1052 01:12:26,926 --> 01:12:31,853 and very sincerely they say, "Thank you," 1053 01:12:33,391 --> 01:12:37,362 and... it catches me off guard. 1054 01:12:37,645 --> 01:12:43,027 Just saying it now has kind of... because nobody ever said that. 1055 01:12:43,317 --> 01:12:47,367 And I didn't realize anybody really thought about it. 1056 01:12:49,615 --> 01:12:54,371 It's kind of unnerving because I don't think I did anything to be thanked for. 1057 01:12:54,662 --> 01:12:56,630 It could have been anybody. 1058 01:12:56,914 --> 01:13:02,045 It could have been anybody going, anybody being killed, anybody surviving. 1059 01:13:02,336 --> 01:13:07,638 The difference between somebody wounded, being killed, not being hurt... 1060 01:13:07,925 --> 01:13:10,178 A couple of inches, a few seconds in time. 1061 01:13:11,929 --> 01:13:14,773 When my son is in harm's way... 1062 01:13:16,684 --> 01:13:20,234 Barbara and I live 1063 01:13:20,521 --> 01:13:23,365 with a level of fear. 1064 01:13:23,649 --> 01:13:28,655 Every car that comes clown the street, I look to see if it has government plates. 1065 01:13:29,780 --> 01:13:31,908 That's hard. 1066 01:13:33,492 --> 01:13:35,177 Because you know what that looks like? 1067 01:13:35,202 --> 01:13:37,796 - I do. - Those shoes. 1068 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,550 Oh, shiny. Shiny, shiny shoes. 1069 01:13:42,752 --> 01:13:45,596 How do they get them so shiny? 1070 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,510 Three or four months into the tour, I was noticing the ringing, 1071 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,395 and the inability to understand people when they're talking. 1072 01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:56,273 And I went to Chu Lai and they tested my ears and said, 1073 01:13:56,557 --> 01:13:58,317 "You've got a hearing loss in the mid range. 1074 01:13:58,559 --> 01:14:01,358 The nerves are destroyed. It's not temporary. 1075 01:14:01,646 --> 01:14:03,766 The middle range is where the consonants are formed, 1076 01:14:04,023 --> 01:14:07,143 which means you're going to have trouble understanding people when they talk. 1077 01:14:07,193 --> 01:14:09,070 Here are some earplugs, 1078 01:14:09,362 --> 01:14:14,619 so if you're gonna be in a situation where there is loud noise, wear your ear plugs." 1079 01:14:14,909 --> 01:14:18,129 My father took this picture in Vietnam in 1970. 1080 01:14:18,412 --> 01:14:20,506 Seconds later he took this one. 1081 01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:24,010 When he first showed me these prints, he asked me if I could tell the difference. 1082 01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:27,772 I pointed out the obvious, or what had become obvious to me during the making of this film 1083 01:14:27,797 --> 01:14:29,717 after pouring through hundreds of others like it. 1084 01:14:29,966 --> 01:14:34,221 The barrel of the 155mm Howitzer is recoiled in the second picture, 1085 01:14:34,512 --> 01:14:36,352 and you can see the dust rising from the ground 1086 01:14:36,389 --> 01:14:38,687 under the weight of the gun's thunderous discharge. 1087 01:14:38,975 --> 01:14:41,819 He asked me if I noticed anything else and I couldn't think of anything. 1088 01:14:42,103 --> 01:14:44,731 So he pointed to the people in the second shot and said, 1089 01:14:45,022 --> 01:14:48,401 "They're all holding their ears. I was holding a camera." 1090 01:14:48,693 --> 01:14:52,338 You know, you think back on your life and what are the things you wouldn't change? 1091 01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:54,340 I think this is one of the things that he wouldn't change. 1092 01:14:54,365 --> 01:14:58,245 It was phenomenal for him in the best way and the worst way. 1093 01:14:58,536 --> 01:15:01,585 My father has often asked me why I'm making this film. 1094 01:15:01,872 --> 01:15:03,840 As different as we are, we share this story, 1095 01:15:04,125 --> 01:15:06,173 this presence like the ringing in his ears. 1096 01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:09,384 My wife Carrie and I even named our firstborn son Loring, 1097 01:15:09,672 --> 01:15:13,722 after both Loring Baileys, junior and senior, who meant so much to my father. 1098 01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:18,140 And I suppose the journalistic process of making a documentary has brought me closer to him. 1099 01:15:18,431 --> 01:15:22,436 But in this picture, he still looks about as far away from me as my namesake, 1100 01:15:22,727 --> 01:15:28,075 Soren Peter Sorenson I, born over a century before me in Denmark in 1871, 1101 01:15:28,357 --> 01:15:31,987 pictured here at 17 in his Danish military uniform. 1102 01:15:42,705 --> 01:15:46,335 ♪ On the train from Jackson to Chicago ♪ 1103 01:15:46,625 --> 01:15:50,050 ♪ Providence is yet to be revealed ♪ 1104 01:15:50,337 --> 01:15:53,967 ♪ Standing on the platform by my window ♪ 1105 01:15:54,258 --> 01:15:57,979 ♪ Soon you will be swallowed by the fields ♪ 1106 01:15:58,262 --> 01:16:02,608 ♪ A sudden blur of trees A sudden blur of trees ♪ 1107 01:16:02,892 --> 01:16:06,237 ♪ Rushing through the delta veins ♪ 1108 01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,990 ♪ On the train from Jackson to Chicago ♪ 1109 01:16:10,274 --> 01:16:13,949 ♪ Licking all the wounds that never healed ♪ 1110 01:16:14,236 --> 01:16:17,866 ♪ Turn around Turn around ♪ 1111 01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,661 ♪ Now you're at the end of the line ♪ 1112 01:16:21,952 --> 01:16:25,752 ♪ Don't look down Don't look down ♪ 1113 01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,633 ♪ You're standing on the shoulders ♪ 1114 01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:30,591 ♪ You're standing on the shoulders of giants ♪ 1115 01:16:37,843 --> 01:16:41,564 ♪ Every day the shadow of my father ♪ 1116 01:16:41,847 --> 01:16:45,226 ♪ Is painted on the walls and on the floors ♪ 1117 01:16:45,518 --> 01:16:49,193 ♪ It stretches out across the open water ♪ 1118 01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:53,326 ♪ And crashes on the sandy eastern shores ♪ 1119 01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:57,113 ♪ Searching in the dark Searching in the dark ♪ 1120 01:16:57,404 --> 01:17:00,829 ♪ Looking for a clue to what's been lost ♪ 1121 01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:04,496 ♪ Now I see the shadow of my father ♪ 1122 01:17:04,787 --> 01:17:08,758 ♪ On the shoulders of the one that came before ♪ 1123 01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:12,921 ♪ Turn around Turn around ♪ 1124 01:17:13,212 --> 01:17:16,682 ♪ Now you're at the end of the line ♪ 1125 01:17:16,966 --> 01:17:20,846 ♪ Don't look down Don't look down ♪ 1126 01:17:21,137 --> 01:17:22,639 ♪ You're standing on the shoulders ♪ 1127 01:17:22,930 --> 01:17:25,558 ♪ Standing on the shoulders of giants ♪ 1128 01:17:29,353 --> 01:17:33,028 ♪ A clear run A blue sky ♪ 1129 01:17:33,315 --> 01:17:37,036 ♪ Downhill A free ride ♪ 1130 01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:41,574 ♪ A stone's throw A straight line from here ♪ 1131 01:18:00,301 --> 01:18:04,101 ♪ Turn around Turn around ♪ 1132 01:18:04,388 --> 01:18:08,063 ♪ Now you're at the end of the line ♪ 1133 01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:12,025 ♪ Don't look down Don't look down ♪ 1134 01:18:12,313 --> 01:18:13,906 ♪ You're standing on the shoulders ♪ 1135 01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:15,908 ♪ Standing on the shoulders ♪ 1136 01:18:16,192 --> 01:18:19,822 ♪ Turn around Turn around ♪ 1137 01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:23,616 ♪ Now you're at the end of the line ♪ 1138 01:18:23,908 --> 01:18:27,583 ♪ Don't look down Don't look down ♪ 1139 01:18:27,870 --> 01:18:29,588 ♪ You're standing on the shoulders ♪ 1140 01:18:29,872 --> 01:18:32,671 ♪ You're standing on the shoulders of giants ♪ 107099

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