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My name is Soren
Peter Sorensen ll,
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and this is my namesake
Soren Peter Sorensen I.
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He was born over a century
before me in Denmark in 1871,
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and he's pictured here at 17
in his Danish military uniform.
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Here's his son, my great
grandfather Ralph Sorensen,
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holding me at two months old as my
father and grandfather look on.
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When I look at this photograph
I wonder if any of these men
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ever thought my life would
even remotely resemble theirs.
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♪ There's a stranger
lying in my bed ♪
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♪ A slate-eyed asleep
assassin in my head ♪
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♪ I keep on dying until
I finally fall dead ♪
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♪ Every day
has a way through ♪
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♪ There's an ether hanging
at my door ♪
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♪ A cross-eyed crucifier
keeping score ♪
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♪ I keep on smiling until
I can't smile no more ♪
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♪ Every day fades to blue ♪
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♪ We go Waltzing past
the grave ♪
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♪ We go Waltzing
past the grave ♪
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♪ And we go Waltzing
past the grave ♪
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♪ For one more day ♪
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The first time my father took me to
Washington DC, I was around 1 O years old,
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too young to really get it.
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DC was one of a number of uniquely
American destinations we used to visit,
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places like Annapolis
and Gettysburg,
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where all I ever really learned from the monu-
ments, memorials, re-enactments and powwows
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was that I loved the junk food that always
seemed to accompanied each day's outing.
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When we visited
the Vietnam memorial,
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I was hardly old enough to comprehend the
Smithsonian or the air and space museum,
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let alone Maya Lin's
granite masterpiece
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honoring the more than 58,000 Americans
who were killed during the Vietnam War.
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The experience always stayed with me
because my dad made pencil rubbings
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of two of the names that day: Loring M.
Bailey Jr. and Glenn D. Rickert.
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I remember standing as far away as
I could from my teary-eyed father
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as he made the rubbings and took
pictures of each of the names.
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Who were these people, I wondered
to myself, these dead soldiers?
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He had never
mentioned them before.
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I can probably count on one
hand the number of times
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I've seen my father's eyes well up with
tears, and I'm not sure he's ever cried.
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But it wasn't a good
feeling as a child
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seeing that vulnerable, human side
of a guy I imagined was invincible.
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This little effort to distance myself
physically from my father in DC
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continued emotionally
throughout my adolescence,
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manifesting itself as a fear of
upsetting or disappointing him,
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as I intentionally grew
into what I considered to be
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a much different person
than he once was.
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This distance between us,
real or imagined on my part,
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caused me to wait until I was over 30
to ask him how he ended up in Vietnam.
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"Not by choice, by chance."
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Or is it "By chance, by choice"?
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There was a recruiting
slogan that had to do with...
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Yeah, "By choice, but not by
chance," or something like that.
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You pick your branch and all that
good stuff and you get a career path,
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go to college and become
a PhD machine gunner.
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I backed into it. I knew that this was
probably the biggest news story of my life.
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I knew that I wanted to be a journalist,
or thought I wanted to be a journalist.
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I was a political science major.
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There have been family males
involved in the Civil War,
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the Spanish American War, World War I
and II, Korea, and this was just my war.
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There's a tradition of, if you're a male
and there's a war on, that's your job.
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That's what you do.
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It's just bad luck, or good luck
if you're into that sort of thing.
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So I was balancing not wanting
to miss this news story,
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a dyed-in-the-wool
Ernest Hemingway fan.
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On the other side of the coin, I knew that
this was a bogus war, it was a civil war,
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the politicians were steering us astray, and
I sure as hell didn't want to die over there.
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But you balance one against the other, and
then depending upon where you want to go
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with the discussions, you can play this
out right until the day I got over there.
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It's avoidance tempered with,
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this is something I should
be doing, or want to be doing.
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In 1968 a lot of
high school and college seniors
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were in the same
situation as my father.
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And the perception of Vietnam as a working
class war fought only by America's poorest
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and least-educated
citizens was changing.
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In March, President Lyndon Johnson announced
that he would not seek reelection.
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In April, Martin Luther King
was assassinated.
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In June,
it was Robert F. Kennedy.
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In November, Richard Nixon
was elected president.
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Nixon had a plan.
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I remember distinctly sitting in Fort Dix
cleaning an M14 and listening to speeches,
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and Nixon had a plan
to get us out of Vietnam.
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I was thinking to myself, if he can do that
in two months, I'm going to vote for him.
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Another Connecticut resident
who probably voted for Nixon in '68
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is Loring Bailey, then an employee
of Groton-based Electric Boat,
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the largest manufacturer of submarines
for the United States Navy.
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Bailey's only son Loring Jr., or "Ring"
to his close friends and family,
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enlisted in the United States Army
around the same time as my father,
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and for similar reasons.
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When the kids came out of, or
graduated from school, from college,
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when they ended home
here in Connecticut...
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Well, all over the country,
there lying in the pile of mail
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was the card for
registration for the draft.
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Every senior faced that.
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A lot of people said, "My God, if I'm
going to be drafted I'll enlist."
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"I'll go before they call me."
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It surprised me to hear that
so many young people in the late '60s,
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including my father and Ring
Bailey, were still enlisting.
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Members of my generation, the sons
and daughters of these baby boomers,
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seemed to treat the topic of Vietnam
either with overt criticism,
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including comparisons to Iraq and
Afghanistan, or eye rolls and apathy.
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I've honestly never spoken to very many people
my age or any other come to think of it,
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willing to defend the American
government's motivations
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for expanding our military's
involvement in Vietnam.
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But the reasons people enlisted were
not as simple as I once imagined.
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Because the United States
military is now all-volunteer,
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I always figured anyone who made
a conscious decision to enlist,
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rather than waiting for the draft
or avoiding the war altogether,
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must have been enthusiastically anti-communist,
that or too willing to please their fathers,
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members of Tom Brokaw's
"greatest generation."
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I think it's partly doing
what is expected.
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So I think he was reared in the
tradition of being responsible,
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"doing the right thing,"
however you define that,
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and not disappointing
your family.
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And he had not just a father, but a
grandfather whom he loved, and aunts,
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and a family tradition that would
be a big deal to just walk out on.
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The National Guard wasn't available unless
you knew somebody, or your name was Bush
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or you had some way of getting
in to the National Guard.
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The National Guard was closed out,
the reserves were closed out,
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'cause they were
really popular, obviously.
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You weren't going to see action.
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I looked into the Army.
The Army had a program-
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And I was about to be
drafted as far as I knew...
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If you sign up for officer candidate
school, and at any point wash out,
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you get the time you spent in training
subtracted from a two-year draft.
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So my mind is cranking away
and I'm thinking to myself,
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it takes a couple months for Basic, a couple
months for Advanced Individual Training,
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however long I could
play out OCS,
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and then if you, again,
throw in the towel-
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If I played it right, I would
have either less than a year...
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And at that point if you had less than
a year, they weren't shipping you out-
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So I would come
pretty close to a year.
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If I had done something other than go, my
father probably would have been disappointed.
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But in terms of my family, I received
no input either to go or not to go,
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whether it's a good idea
or bad idea.
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I think he cared about his father's
impression of him, but I'm not sure...
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but I also think he resented it.
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It would have been
an embarrassment probably,
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because there was
a stigma attached.
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Again, if you go back to
that era, in a neighborhood,
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if somebody was evading, if somebody went to
Canada or something, the neighbors talked.
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Perhaps America's hindsight
perception of '60s counterculture, hippies,
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and the sexual revolution
produces the illusion
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of a greater protest
movement than actually existed.
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As much as I can't imagine enlisting in
the military “during the Vietnam era,
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for my father and Ring Bailey,
evading, avoiding, dodging the draft,
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or going to Canada
weren't really options.
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When I contacted Ring Bailey's
widow Maris to request
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an interview she respectfully
declined, stating,
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"The years since Ring's
death have done little to soften
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my heartache
and anger over his loss."
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Maris put me in touch
with her brother Rik,
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who invited me to his home
in Burlington, Vermont.
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Rik's deaf in his left ear, so he received a
4F designation, meaning unfit for service,
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upon completing his physical.
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He told me the outcome of the physical
didn't matter. He wasn't going to Vietnam.
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Does it look like me?
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I would have gone to jail.
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They sent draft resisters to a
Allenwood prison farm in Pennsylvania.
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It's minimum security.
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There's no barbed wire.
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Ring became
my sister's boyfriend.
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Ring was two years older than me
and he became a mentor.
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He went to Trinity
College in Hartford.
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He was really smart.
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And I really liked him,
and here he was with my sister,
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and we hung out together.
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So that's how I met him, and he
eventually married my sister.
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You know, that's Ring.
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And by gosh, the telephone
call that I received
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the night that he went
down to Fort Dix was,
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"Hey, Dad, I'm in the infantry!"
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Well, you take Rings glasses off and
he couldn't see a hundred yards,
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and make out anything without
glasses, in a hundred yards.
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But here he was in the infantry.
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Well, okay. So, you'll
learn how to march.
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Ring liked automobiles. He was
a real automobile enthusiast.
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His father was
an automobile enthusiast.
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His father had
a XK140 Jaguar coupe.
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Most of them are roadsters, this
one was a coupe. It was swooping.
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And I learned the appreciation
of these automobiles from Ring.
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He drew cars, he knew race cars, he
had little die-cast miniature cars.
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He collected them and now I do.
He had a Bugeye Sprite.
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Before he went to Vietnam, he bought a Bugeye
Sprite, and I bought a 1600 Fiat roadster.
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And in his time off before
he went to Vietnam,
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we worked on these
two cars and we drove around.
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Fun.
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With a cloud over your head fun.
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My father met
Ring Bailey in 1969 at OCS,
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Officer Candidate School,
in Fort Belvoir, Virginia.
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They were both aspiring writers, Hemingway
fans from small Southern New England towns.
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And the seemingly insignificant common ground
they shared led to an alliance that almost
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spared them both from service
outside the United States.
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He was gonna be a journalist.
He wanted to go into writing.
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And he found a colonel who was looking
for people to write training manuals.
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And the colonel said, "I need a
half-dozen or I need four writers."
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And he got the job, and he said,
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go down there, and he said, "We'll spend
the next year outside of Washington."
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He was married,
I was about to get married.
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He said, we'll spend...
either a year or a year-plus
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writing training manuals
at Fort Belvoir
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which is a suburb of
Washington DC with our spouses.
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What could be better?
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In any case I went down,
interviewed, got the job,
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and in both cases our orders
for Vietnam got cut
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before the orders
for the writing job.
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My father and Ring both
decided against finishing OCS
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and were sent
to different bases.
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They weren't gung ho by
any stretch of the imagination.
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Neither were countless other Americans
who found themselves in Vietnam.
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Selective service and self-preservation
were not as contradictory
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then as they seem to be today.
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When my father received word that he
would be shipping out in October of '69,
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my parents had to move their wedding
up from September to August.
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People in my mother's hometown, Wheeling, West
Virginia, were convinced she was pregnant.
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The day that he left for Vietnam, my
parents didn't feel comfortable having me
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drive him to the airport
because I was gonna be upset.
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And so they arranged a bus trip
or a limo trip for him,
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so the thing came
around the circle.
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I remember vividly
saying goodbye to him
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and opening that door and having
him walk and get in that car.
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It could have
been Air America,
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but it was a commercial flight
with stewards and stewardesses,
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although we were
wearing jungle fatigues.
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We landed in Hawaii
and Guam for refueling,
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but essentially other
than the fatigues...
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I don't recall
an in-flight movie,
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but we had meals and it was
like nothing was happening.
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And on the way down, everybody was sort
of hanging onto their seat and concerned,
228
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because we're in this commercial setting...
it was just a regular airplane flight,
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and the next thing we knew, we were
at a 45-degree angle coming down.
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When we landed, I asked one of the
stewardesses what the story was
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and she said when we get to
Vietnam, we do military landings
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to lessen the exposure
to enemy fire.
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And on the way down, it was like we were looking
at each other like we're not gonna make it.
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We're not even gonna land this plane, or
there's been a mechanical difficulty.
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We saw the South China Sea, we saw
Vietnam, and the next thing we knew,
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we were just...
seemingly crash-landing.
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We hit the deck,
they open the door,
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and once it was open it was like a blast
furnace, it went from an air conditioned cabin,
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originating flight from
Fort Louis, Washington,
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and the heat and humidity
was unbearable.
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It was just very difficult
to communicate.
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Within two hours I was on the perimeter of
Cam Ranh Bay stringing Concertina wire,
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and I figured I wasn't
gonna make it 24 hours.
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I figured the environment or the
temperature was going to do me in.
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I wasn't going to make it
because of the weather.
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I was scared that
something might happen.
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I knew he wasn't going to be in the
jungle, that would have freaked me out.
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I guess I didn't constantly fear the way I
would if he had been in combat or a Marine.
249
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And then at night, I remember there was
some kind of either an arc: light,
250
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which is a B-52 drop,
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or there was a firefight, something
going on in the mountains.
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And I remember looking, coming out of the
hoooh and looking toward the mountains,
253
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and it was like there
was a large thunderstorm.
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You'd see a flash and then
there'd be a four-minute delay
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and then you'd feel
the concussion.
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It brought home that
you know where you are,
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and then tomorrow or the next
day, the day after that,
258
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you're going to be closer
to what's going on there.
259
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Loring was assigned to an infantry
brigade, an infantry battalion.
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I was assigned to an
engineer company,
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and essentially he went off and did his
thing and I went off and did my thing.
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His first letter
indicated that he had,
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on the day of his arrival, that
night, they went out on a snake.
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That was a case of where
you blackened your faces,
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you're heavily armored,
266
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and he was with
a group of machine gunners,
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and they set up
a blocking force.
268
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And he said, the blocking force,
269
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we were there,
but nothing occurred.
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From Cam Ranh
Bay orders to Chu Lai,
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which is the military
headquarters company
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or headquarters
for the Americal Division,
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and it was there, they have what
they call the Combat Center,
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which is like graduate school,
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and for a week you were there to acclimatize
yourself and also go through a quick kill course,
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where you had a BB gun and had
to shoot at pop-up targets,
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booby traps and mines
and try not to set them off.
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Everybody set off something,
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which is kind of debilitating...
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Warning lectures on drugs.
281
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All the hooches had
essentially plywood walls,
282
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screens, and then
corrugated tin roofs.
283
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And then attached,
or very close by,
284
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there were culverts or half
shells covered with sandbags
285
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which were for rocket
attacks or incoming...
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The defensive
positions essentially.
287
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The first night I was there,
we had incoming rockets.
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There was an explosion.
289
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We were green. We were looking
at each other, what was that?
290
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:08,611
And finally somebody came
running through the hooch
291
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and said, "Everybody in the shelter,"
and we all got in the shelter.
292
00:19:13,986 --> 00:19:16,660
There were three or four more
rockets that came in that night.
293
00:19:16,947 --> 00:19:20,577
So the first night that I was in Chu
Lai, we received rocket attacks,
294
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probably B-1 Os
or Soviet-made rockets.
295
00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:28,338
They were just set up with bamboo
stakes out in the hinterlands
296
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and they were launched
towards the American base.
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I don't think there were
any casualties or anything,
298
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but that was my
introduction to incoming.
299
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From there, we got orders
to Duc Pho, which is about
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on the coast,
it's in Quang Ni Province.
301
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I was assigned to the
engineers, from the engineers
302
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I was shipped out to LZ Liz,
or Landing Zone Liz,
303
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which was a forward
fire support base.
304
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And there were three mountains, one
large lump where the LZ was located.
305
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There were a couple of howitzers there, and I
stayed there for four months or so, five months,
306
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doing mine sweeps
and construction.
307
00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:08,799
For soldiers of the
Vietnam era and their loved ones,
308
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letter writing was the most
useful method of communication.
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As much as pictures tell us what the
war was like for these young men,
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their letters home are as remarkable,
not only for what was written,
311
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but also for what was left out.
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He wrote to us
to protect us.
313
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He wrote to us and tried
to look at the light side.
314
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He wrote a letter about a duckling
that he took with him for three days,
315
00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:38,784
a little duckling that he carried on heli-
copter rides and finally let go somewhere.
316
00:20:39,071 --> 00:20:44,077
There was Pete the puppy clog who followed
them around. He wrote about micro frogs.
317
00:20:44,368 --> 00:20:47,747
Oh, he was upbeat.
It was an upbeat deal.
318
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He made it that way. I could tell you
one letter that he sent to his wife,
319
00:20:55,045 --> 00:21:01,769
three or four paragraphs of
disassembling and assembling...
320
00:21:02,052 --> 00:21:05,556
a machine gun,
a 50-caliber machine gun.
321
00:21:05,848 --> 00:21:11,105
I don't think he copied it out of the
manual, but it was very, very close.
322
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And he wrote this...
323
00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:18,741
"Also, saw an enormous
python the other day.
324
00:21:19,028 --> 00:21:22,783
Those exciting animal names grow
a bit meaningless or prosaic
325
00:21:23,073 --> 00:21:27,169
when we think of them as automobile
models or can opener trademarks.
326
00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:33,426
But a real python opens your eyes and gives
new meaning and respect to the name."
327
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He was in a God awful
environment...
328
00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:42,803
just hideous.
329
00:21:43,093 --> 00:21:47,064
He was carrying 70 pounds of pack,
and then going from place to place,
330
00:21:47,348 --> 00:21:49,942
and at night
setting up ambushes.
331
00:21:50,226 --> 00:21:55,027
If it was the monsoon season,
you were wet to the bone,
332
00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:58,363
48 hours, three days,
four or five days at a time.
333
00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:02,576
Elizabeth, I wrote once a day. If I
missed a day I used to write two.
334
00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:05,707
I probably got back
an equal amount.
335
00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:09,211
It wasn't like World War ll where everybody
wrote, and everybody sent cookies,
336
00:22:09,495 --> 00:22:14,717
and everybody did this. It was fairly confined
to the closest relatives and closest friends.
337
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,052
So you didn't get groundswells of mail, but the
ones I counted on obviously were Elizabeth's,
338
00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,182
and friends.
339
00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:25,640
I wrote him a letter
every day and did that.
340
00:22:25,928 --> 00:22:28,397
But when he was gone,
he left in September
341
00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:32,060
and at Christmas, which was a big family
gathering around the Christmas table
342
00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:36,948
with my parents and Aunt Susie and Uncle
Atwood and all of the cousins and everybody.
343
00:22:37,231 --> 00:22:39,700
And here I was having
been married one month.
344
00:22:39,984 --> 00:22:42,282
And he left in September
and it was Christmas.
345
00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:45,289
The entire Christmas clay and
through the entire Christmas dinner
346
00:22:45,573 --> 00:22:48,452
not one person mentioned him,
he was not toasted.
347
00:22:48,742 --> 00:22:51,791
He was not... it just
wasn't in their conscious.
348
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:54,502
Part of our job was
to get up, very punctual,
349
00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:56,225
so that the enemy knew
we were coming.
350
00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:57,610
But there was at least
eight of us,
351
00:22:57,751 --> 00:22:59,353
this parade of people
going down the road.
352
00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:01,972
We did the sweep, and then
at the end of the sweep,
353
00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:05,601
what would happen was a five-ton dump
truck would be filled up with sand.
354
00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:08,809
It was called pressure testing,
and it would back down the road,
355
00:23:09,096 --> 00:23:15,103
so anything that we missed electronically,
theoretically the clump truck would set off.
356
00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:17,817
We did this one day,
got onto the truck,
357
00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:21,505
because the pressure testing had been done,
and they would drive us back up to LZ Liz.
358
00:23:21,734 --> 00:23:24,670
And on this particular day, we were working
on bunkers and then all of a sudden
359
00:23:24,695 --> 00:23:27,414
we heard an explosion
down toward the road.
360
00:23:27,698 --> 00:23:29,758
It was after the monsoon,
so they were repairing the road.
361
00:23:29,783 --> 00:23:33,162
Anyway, we got down there and
the medevac was just leaving.
362
00:23:33,454 --> 00:23:34,751
The dump truck driver...
363
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:39,294
The mine went off right under
the cab and it blew his eye out.
364
00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:42,464
He had other injuries, but we had to
do another mine sweep of the road.
365
00:23:42,755 --> 00:23:46,385
So this is the second mine sweep
within four hours, five hours,
366
00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:48,268
and they did another
pressure test.
367
00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:52,728
Got back on the dump truck to LZ Liz
and started working on the bunkers,
368
00:23:53,015 --> 00:23:54,392
and we heard another explosion.
369
00:23:54,683 --> 00:23:58,233
Another truck bringing
a load of dirt blew up.
370
00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,737
Again the medevac was there.
371
00:24:00,022 --> 00:24:02,992
But there were those two
in one morning.
372
00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,528
The next day they
had sniffer dogs.
373
00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:07,662
They accompanied us
for the next week,
374
00:24:07,947 --> 00:24:10,370
and we never found
anything else.
375
00:24:10,658 --> 00:24:12,501
But we lost two dump
trucks and two guys.
376
00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:18,713
This is a Corgi die-cast miniature car.
I don't know the scale.
377
00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:20,922
It's a De Tomaso Mangusta
378
00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:24,180
that I sent to him as a Christmas
present, and we liked our cars.
379
00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,012
And he wrote to me, he said,
380
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:31,850
"In the dark watches of the night, I roll
the De Tomaso Mangusta Corgi toy car
381
00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:34,981
that Rik sent me back
and forth very quietly.
382
00:24:35,265 --> 00:24:39,315
I sit squishing the suspension up
and down for minutes at a time,
383
00:24:39,603 --> 00:24:42,823
looking at it at eye-level,
digging its amber headlights.
384
00:24:43,107 --> 00:24:46,111
But that's another form
of devotion entirely.
385
00:24:46,402 --> 00:24:50,908
Huddled under my poncho, trying to
preserve the condition of my stationary,
386
00:24:51,198 --> 00:24:52,871
all thought of quality gone,
387
00:24:53,158 --> 00:24:56,332
writing away while monitoring
my trusty two-way radio,
388
00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:58,668
looking out at the little
plastic Christmas tree
389
00:24:58,956 --> 00:25:01,379
that one of our machine
gunners received in the mail
390
00:25:01,667 --> 00:25:04,466
and planted before
his draped poncho.
391
00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:08,223
Put the little metal car, the De Tomaso
Mangusta that I carry in my pocket,
392
00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:11,135
beneath the plastic
tree and lo and behold,
393
00:25:11,427 --> 00:25:13,600
we'll have toys under the tree
come tomorrow morning.
394
00:25:13,887 --> 00:25:16,185
All the amenities are not lost.
395
00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:20,068
One little Tupperware container
of mother's best cookies, too.
396
00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:23,231
No, all is certainly not
lost at Christmastime.
397
00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:25,866
Next Christmas Eve,
I'll perhaps remember
398
00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:28,528
my rainy night
squatting beside my radio
399
00:25:28,819 --> 00:25:33,165
on my plastic covered map to keep
my bottom unsuccessfully dry,
400
00:25:33,449 --> 00:25:39,206
watching the bushes move, and every so often
munching on mixed nuts without peanuts.
401
00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:43,922
Maybe this was the Christmas Eve and
Christmas to make the rest worthwhile."
402
00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,008
For about
two-thirds of the time,
403
00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:29,842
it was as a platoon leader.
404
00:26:30,130 --> 00:26:31,632
I went in as
a second lieutenant.
405
00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:36,145
March, April, somewhere in there, I
was promoted to first lieutenant,
406
00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:41,025
and so I had a platoon of men.
407
00:26:41,308 --> 00:26:43,777
We never had a full
compliment of people.
408
00:26:44,061 --> 00:26:46,109
I believe a full compliment
would be 40 some people,
409
00:26:46,396 --> 00:26:49,195
and we had generally running
close to about 30 at the max.
410
00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:52,452
We would go out
on patrol during the day,
411
00:26:52,736 --> 00:26:54,659
and we'd set up
ambushes at night.
412
00:26:54,947 --> 00:26:58,542
Most of what we were looking
for were resupply issues.
413
00:26:58,826 --> 00:27:05,334
The area we were in had been defoliated,
bulldozed, burned, and was a free-fire zone.
414
00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:09,299
So anybody out there
theoretically was a target.
415
00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:12,635
That made it difficult when you
actually wanted to eliminate a target,
416
00:27:12,923 --> 00:27:17,224
you were told that you could possibly
impact some poor innocent civilian
417
00:27:17,511 --> 00:27:19,730
who wasn't supposed
to be there in the first place.
418
00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:22,482
So I was involved in planning,
419
00:27:22,766 --> 00:27:26,441
deploying the troops, making sure
everybody knew what their mission was,
420
00:27:26,728 --> 00:27:31,199
making sure the resupply came in, whether
it was weapons, food, whatever it was.
421
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:37,365
Ring volunteered
to go out and carry the radio.
422
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:40,159
I wrote back to him saying,
423
00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:43,420
"You get rid of the radio
as fast as you possibly can.
424
00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:47,800
That is
a highly visible target."
425
00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:52,884
He had already been in this unit, my
first unit that I was assigned to.
426
00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:57,348
So when I first met
Loring he was spec 4,
427
00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:59,352
I believe was his
rank at the time,
428
00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:02,185
and he was my radio guy.
429
00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:06,773
And so he was responsible for any
communication out of our field unit
430
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:09,688
to anything or anybody else
we needed.
431
00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:13,826
Actually, when I saw
the picture, I...
432
00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,487
realized, I hadn't remembered
a whole lot
433
00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:18,405
from the picture you sent me.
434
00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:21,200
I remember dark hair.
435
00:28:21,491 --> 00:28:23,510
I always had the impression
he was a lot taller than I was,
436
00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:26,084
but I'm not sure
if he was or not.
437
00:28:26,371 --> 00:28:28,590
And the glasses.
438
00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:35,472
He seemed like a, this sounds terrible, not
that the other people weren't civilized people,
439
00:28:35,756 --> 00:28:38,509
but he seemed more civilized,
educated, reasonable, intelligent
440
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,393
than many other
people I ran into.
441
00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:44,102
I'm the guy that when he went fishing
as a kid I threw the fish back in.
442
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:46,562
I had never hunted,
I had never been around weapons.
443
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:49,524
I didn't come from a family
that was into the outdoors.
444
00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,734
We were tennis players
and swimmers.
445
00:28:52,022 --> 00:28:57,119
So this gung ho, try to keep
yourself from being killed,
446
00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:59,746
carrying a hundred
pounds of supplies
447
00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:06,163
and being armed and shoot
to kill, very strange.
448
00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:09,297
The minute I was in country
and the night we were rocketed,
449
00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:12,425
I knew I didn't want to be
a combat engineer,
450
00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:16,885
and I knew that I wanted to get as
far from the ugliness as I could.
451
00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:22,429
And I went to the division headquarters
and I got a unit transfer application,
452
00:29:22,719 --> 00:29:26,565
dutifully filled it out the second day
or third day that I was in country
453
00:29:26,848 --> 00:29:30,443
or in Chu Lai and then did not
hear anything for four months.
454
00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:34,448
During that period, we were
in Mo Duc building a bridge,
455
00:29:34,731 --> 00:29:38,361
and I took pictures and wrote
a story about the project,
456
00:29:38,652 --> 00:29:42,282
and I submitted it to the 31
st public information office,
457
00:29:42,572 --> 00:29:46,042
and that was that, and about three
weeks later or two weeks later,
458
00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:52,709
the squad leader over the radio received a call
from the captain in charge of the engineers,
459
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,551
"Have Sorensen on the LZ at a certain
hour with all his equipment,
460
00:29:57,838 --> 00:30:01,308
and the squad leader, of course,
looked a little askance at me,
461
00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:04,140
Where are you going,
and how'd you do it?"
462
00:30:04,428 --> 00:30:06,897
So anyway, I got on the LZ
and the next thing I know,
463
00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:10,730
the captain's personal helicopter
was there, picked me up,
464
00:30:11,018 --> 00:30:16,275
and then flew me back
to Bronco, all of five miles,
465
00:30:16,565 --> 00:30:19,819
and the captain was in his jeep
waiting to pick me up,
466
00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:24,490
and he looked at me and said,
something to the effect that,
467
00:30:24,781 --> 00:30:28,957
"You look a little scruffy to be someone
who's working in the rear now."
468
00:30:29,244 --> 00:30:33,090
He explained that I had been reassigned
to the public information office.
469
00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:36,547
The story that I had written
appeared in either "The Army Times"
470
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:40,840
and or "Stars and Stripes"
and so someone said,
471
00:30:41,131 --> 00:30:45,011
"Take this guy out of the engineers and put
him in the public information office."
472
00:30:45,302 --> 00:30:47,054
There happened to be an opening.
473
00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:49,565
So that was the transition,
it was abrupt.
474
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:52,692
There were four people assigned
to the public information office
475
00:30:52,976 --> 00:30:55,195
and two of them were officers,
two were enlisted.
476
00:30:55,479 --> 00:30:59,109
So I was in a position where
I could come and go as I pleased
477
00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:04,781
as long as I maintained a certain flow of
stories and pictures out of that office,
478
00:31:05,072 --> 00:31:07,825
they didn't care if I showed up.
They didn't care what I did.
479
00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:14,169
Sort of to further add to the confusion
and to the elation on my part,
480
00:31:14,456 --> 00:31:19,178
the division thought the brigade was in
charge of the public information office,
481
00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:23,307
the brigade thought the division was
in charge, so nobody was in charge.
482
00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:33,817
One of the things I did was fly
with either the combat assault unit
483
00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:38,402
or they had a light observation
helicopter unit that did scouting work,
484
00:31:38,688 --> 00:31:43,319
or drew fire, or visual
reconnaissance flights.
485
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:47,865
And there was a pilot named Rickert
and I typically flew with him.
486
00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:52,832
Glenn Rickert was a captain,
very accessible, very friendly.
487
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,420
When I had to take pictures, when
we needed aerial photographs
488
00:31:56,706 --> 00:31:59,459
or reconnaissance photographs,
I would go out,
489
00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:01,298
or if I needed to take pictures
490
00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:04,715
of a body or something like
that, he would fly me out there.
491
00:32:18,311 --> 00:32:20,063
This is Glen Aurelius.
492
00:32:20,355 --> 00:32:24,030
He flew Light Observation Helicopters
with Glenn Rickert in Vietnam in 1970.
493
00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:28,493
For him the Vietnam War represented an
opportunity to pursue his love of flying.
494
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:30,748
He works as a pilot to this clay.
495
00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:35,458
I looked up to
him, maybe a role model,
496
00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:37,167
I believe that
would be the case.
497
00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:40,676
He had a commanding
presence, soft-spoken.
498
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:43,087
I Wasn't the only one
who would say this to him,
499
00:32:43,378 --> 00:32:46,803
but probably the first and I'd say
it many times because we were close.
500
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:49,218
The job we were doing was
very dangerous, very risky.
501
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:51,807
Every day you never knew
what was going to happen.
502
00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:54,769
And I said, I told him
a couple of times that
503
00:32:55,056 --> 00:32:57,775
I could do all of those trips
and he wouldn't have to do any,
504
00:32:58,059 --> 00:33:02,439
because he had a wife
and a child now,
505
00:33:02,731 --> 00:33:07,328
there was more to lose there
if something happened to him.
506
00:33:07,611 --> 00:33:11,286
I remember
the conversations with him,
507
00:33:11,573 --> 00:33:17,876
and he said "No," he said, "Thank you,
but I really like flying these flights."
508
00:33:18,163 --> 00:33:21,643
Like my father and Ring Bailey, Glenn
Rickert had only been married a short time
509
00:33:21,917 --> 00:33:26,718
before shipping out. His son Glenn Jr.
Was only an infant at the time.
510
00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:31,431
He and his mother Margie still live in Pennsylvania,
not far from where Glenn Sr. Grew up.
511
00:33:31,718 --> 00:33:38,021
I think it was a little bit
after the parade for Bucks County,
512
00:33:38,308 --> 00:33:42,233
Vietnam Memorial. I finally
started realizing my heritage,
513
00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:45,900
so I finally wanted to get it
all put together, the letters,
514
00:33:46,191 --> 00:33:52,039
the uniforms, things like that,
so it was a lot of information
515
00:33:52,322 --> 00:33:57,795
so I figured I'd just kind of start throwing
it all together in some type of format
516
00:33:58,078 --> 00:33:59,421
just so I could show people.
517
00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:01,877
Because a lot of people
were asking after that time.
518
00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:05,840
And then, in school I did
a project about his life,
519
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:08,801
that helped out a lot, too,
with being able to share that.
520
00:34:09,089 --> 00:34:11,089
He wanted to go,
he wanted to do his part,
521
00:34:11,174 --> 00:34:13,268
and he really believed
in what he was doing.
522
00:34:13,552 --> 00:34:17,056
It wasn't that he didn't
feel that we should be there.
523
00:34:17,347 --> 00:34:21,193
I mean, of course everybody
has mixed feelings about war,
524
00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:25,106
nobody likes war, but if you believe
in what the purpose of it is,
525
00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:27,445
tying to liberate
an oppressed people basically,
526
00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:29,826
that's what it comes down
to and he believed in that.
527
00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:32,112
He was a very moral person.
528
00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:37,080
He was a Christian, so he valued life,
every life, regardless of their politics.
529
00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:42,419
In Vietnam, there was a time when
I was so wrapped up in the war
530
00:34:42,706 --> 00:34:46,085
and what I was doing over there, that
I didn't really write regularly.
531
00:34:46,376 --> 00:34:51,803
I believe it was Glenn that told me one time
that my parents were trying to get a hold of me
532
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:56,015
or that the Red Cross had contacted him
to tell me that I needed to write home.
533
00:34:56,303 --> 00:35:01,434
Because I hadn't written or contacted
them for maybe a couple of months,
534
00:35:01,725 --> 00:35:04,945
and when you think about it,
that's pretty sad
535
00:35:05,228 --> 00:35:07,572
with all that was going on
on TV every day of the week,
536
00:35:07,856 --> 00:35:11,451
every hour there were pictures
of helicopters being shot down
537
00:35:11,735 --> 00:35:13,988
and people getting
killed by the thousands.
538
00:35:14,279 --> 00:35:19,786
So I thought it was very selfish of me
to be that way and not communicate.
539
00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:21,919
I just isolated
myself over there.
540
00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:27,425
I just really detached myself from there
rest of the world, it just didn't exist.
541
00:35:27,709 --> 00:35:30,212
No newspapers,
I didn't see any TV.
542
00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:34,178
It was really what was going on
right there and then.
543
00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:36,719
But then when the Red Cross
contacted me
544
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:43,689
through Glenn Rickert, then I realized
there that I really needed to communicate,
545
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:48,697
and that they cared and they wanted to
hear from me, so it was a wake-up call.
546
00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:50,900
Because of his
morality and his beliefs,
547
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:53,868
I believe that's why on weekends
he would go to the orphanage.
548
00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:59,659
That was an outlet for him that he felt probably
counteracted all the death and destruction,
549
00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:03,374
through the week whenever
he could go to the orphanage
550
00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:07,292
and do something in a more positive vein,
I think that was an outlet for him.
551
00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:11,428
He was really a very humane guy.
He really cared about,
552
00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:16,137
he wasn't prejudiced, he didn't
look at the Vietnamese as being-
553
00:36:16,424 --> 00:36:23,148
whereas some pilots you know, looked at
the Vietnamese as being maybe inhuman,
554
00:36:23,431 --> 00:36:25,104
not like them.
555
00:36:25,392 --> 00:36:27,986
But really we were all the same,
556
00:36:28,269 --> 00:36:31,614
and Glenn looked at
the Vietnamese,
557
00:36:31,898 --> 00:36:36,950
both the enemy and not
the enemy, as being people.
558
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:38,955
And there was an
orphanage in Quang Ni.
559
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,040
He wanted me to do a favor for him. He
had adopted an infant Vietnamese girl.
560
00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:46,125
She was probably
six months, four months old.
561
00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:48,632
Anyway he asked as a favor,
562
00:36:48,915 --> 00:36:52,465
"Would you mind taking pictures of the
baby so I can send them home to my wife."
563
00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:55,471
It was kind of strange because
she was a part of his life,
564
00:36:55,755 --> 00:36:58,053
but of course to me
it was just a picture.
565
00:36:58,341 --> 00:37:00,181
But I knew I'd be able
to love her like he did.
566
00:37:00,427 --> 00:37:02,020
He flew me up there
and we got out.
567
00:37:02,303 --> 00:37:06,308
I met the baby and took pictures and
printed up some pictures for him.
568
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,944
I had it in our kitchen. I don't...
Well, Glenn was so little.
569
00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:14,153
I also had a bank where I was saving
money towards our R&R in Hawaii,
570
00:37:14,441 --> 00:37:17,570
so it was like Ian and the
bank were right there.
571
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:21,911
It was just, that was
what we were, you know,
572
00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:25,202
that was our goal to get
to R&R and then to adopt Ian.
573
00:37:27,954 --> 00:37:31,925
Glenn Rickert shot this 8mm footage
while piloting his light observation helicopter
574
00:37:32,208 --> 00:37:34,336
over Vietnam in 1970.
575
00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:38,348
Margie told me that Glenn had always wanted
to fly helicopters and that, in a way,
576
00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:40,554
he was very much in his
element during the war.
577
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,401
For Ring Bailey, unfortunately,
things were not going quite as well.
578
00:37:51,603 --> 00:37:56,825
So I think it was at least on two
occasions, once before and once after,
579
00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:59,202
I was in the public
information office,
580
00:37:59,486 --> 00:38:00,612
his unit...
581
00:38:00,904 --> 00:38:03,373
I crossed paths with his
unit and he was there.
582
00:38:03,656 --> 00:38:06,079
And he was...
583
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:10,497
I got insights.
584
00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:17,297
He had no axe to grind,
and he was an honest person...
585
00:38:17,587 --> 00:38:22,559
or candid with me. I had no reason
to believe he'd color the facts...
586
00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:26,137
or would say anything
that was inaccurate.
587
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:32,402
But the first time he was seemingly
pretty down in terms of spirits.
588
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:37,782
The unit was involved
with a company
589
00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:43,197
either practicing or calling in
air-strikes on farmers,
590
00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:45,616
clearly not military targets,
591
00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:50,162
and they were either just for the
hell of it or they were practicing.
592
00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:54,924
There were situations like that, or just
the day-to-day grind was getting him down,
593
00:38:55,208 --> 00:38:57,836
the lack of sleep,
the physical work,
594
00:38:58,127 --> 00:39:02,473
the snipers, the ambushes that
were set up night after night,
595
00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:05,135
He was not in a good place
mentally, let's put it that way.
596
00:39:05,426 --> 00:39:08,179
He wasn't depressed, but
he was exhausted, I think.
597
00:39:08,471 --> 00:39:12,396
I had a cat named Miranda.
598
00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:15,278
And I had her bred
and she had kittens,
599
00:39:15,562 --> 00:39:21,035
and I had written him about the kittens,
and here he was in the jungle and he said,
600
00:39:21,317 --> 00:39:26,323
"You know how I'd react, but its
really hard for me to understand
601
00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:31,040
the joy of being
a cat with kittens
602
00:39:31,327 --> 00:39:34,046
when I'm out here
in the jungle."
603
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:38,335
The second time I saw him, we were about to get
an opening in the public information office
604
00:39:38,626 --> 00:39:41,175
and I said, and in fact
I had mentioned it last time,
605
00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:47,765
if I can put your name in or would you
mind if I put your name in for a position
606
00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:52,523
writing and taking photographs,
and of course he jumped on it.
607
00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:56,027
And it was about the time that
the vacancy became available
608
00:39:56,311 --> 00:39:57,984
that I found out
that he was killed.
609
00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:00,399
It's just another day
going out on patrol.
610
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:04,031
We were getting toward evening.
611
00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:08,324
We were setting up a night defensive
perimeter for the platoon.
612
00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:13,246
And so I had both Robert and
Loring with me up on the knoll...
613
00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:20,044
giving out instructions, "Okay,
we want our grenade launchers"
614
00:40:20,335 --> 00:40:22,554
to cover those gullies
over there.
615
00:40:22,837 --> 00:40:28,640
"We want the M60's along this straight
area, this flat area that's open."
616
00:40:28,927 --> 00:40:32,227
Normal things you would do
to set up for a perimeter.
617
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:36,451
I can't recall exactly how
long we were up there,
618
00:40:36,476 --> 00:40:39,156
but we were up there shuffling around
this area for quite some time.
619
00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:43,154
Then I said, "Okay, let's get
that set up" then I walked away,
620
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,034
and that's when
the explosion went off.
621
00:40:48,154 --> 00:40:52,000
And to my knowledge, there wasn't
anything left of either Loring or Robert.
622
00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:56,914
I was blown through the air... what
seemed like quite a long distance,
623
00:40:57,205 --> 00:41:00,550
but I really don't have any way
of objectively measuring that.
624
00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:05,179
I know one individual about an
arm's length in front of me...
625
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:09,218
had a big piece of shrapnel
sticking out through his shoulder.
626
00:41:09,509 --> 00:41:14,731
He survived but had significant nerve
damage on his right arm, his shoulder.
627
00:41:15,014 --> 00:41:21,067
It would have to have gone within
inches or a foot of me to hit him,
628
00:41:21,354 --> 00:41:23,072
just with the line of sight.
629
00:41:23,356 --> 00:41:26,200
And I remember lying there,
630
00:41:27,694 --> 00:41:29,571
not knowing what
the heck had happened.
631
00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:35,244
Ears are ringing and I remember
saying, "My legs, my legs!"
632
00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:39,334
And another lieutenant
came along,
633
00:41:39,622 --> 00:41:41,875
and I can still
picture him. He said-
634
00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:45,010
It seems funny
but in this tragic situation...
635
00:41:45,294 --> 00:41:47,888
He said, "There's nothing wrong
with your legs, Wilson, get up!"
636
00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:52,928
And so I got up... The
rest of it's pretty hazy.
637
00:41:53,219 --> 00:41:57,565
Every night somebody had
to go in at 12:00 at our office,
638
00:41:57,849 --> 00:42:01,899
the information office, and then go
over to the tactical operations center
639
00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:07,534
where all of the communications from
the fields was filtered into one room,
640
00:42:07,817 --> 00:42:11,196
a sort of action room,
or war room,
641
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:15,708
where the colonel could come and see the area
of operation and see where various units are,
642
00:42:15,992 --> 00:42:20,168
what military intelligence was
telling us, where people were.
643
00:42:20,455 --> 00:42:26,553
And then there was a list on a corner of
enemy and friendly missing in action,
644
00:42:26,836 --> 00:42:28,759
killed in action,
wounded in action.
645
00:42:29,047 --> 00:42:33,268
That particular day, I was on duty, and so I
had to go over and I went over at noontime-...
646
00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:36,054
Or not noontime, at midnight.
647
00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:42,899
On the board it said
two KIA, 1st and the 20th.
648
00:42:43,186 --> 00:42:46,406
Before I went back
to wire it in, I went down
649
00:42:46,689 --> 00:42:49,158
to graves registrations,
where the bodies went.
650
00:42:49,442 --> 00:42:53,163
And anyway I asked
the enlisted in charge
651
00:42:53,446 --> 00:42:55,006
the names of the people
who were killed.
652
00:42:55,156 --> 00:42:59,502
One was a sergeant and the
other was Loring Bailey.
653
00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:01,386
And I said "How'd he die?"
And he said...
654
00:43:01,454 --> 00:43:07,086
The euphemisms for a booby
trap, a mine or booby trap,
655
00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:09,845
was traumatic amputation.
656
00:43:10,129 --> 00:43:15,636
So he died of
traumatic amputations.
657
00:43:15,927 --> 00:43:21,684
Then he sort of sarcastically said, "Do you
want to see the body?" and I declined.
658
00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:24,523
I didn't think I could take it.
659
00:43:24,811 --> 00:43:30,944
Anyway, I dutifully went back to the
detachment and called the division,
660
00:43:31,234 --> 00:43:37,537
called the numbers in and Loring became a
number. He went from a person to a number.
661
00:43:37,824 --> 00:43:43,877
The device that killed
both Loring and Robert
662
00:43:44,163 --> 00:43:47,133
was either an artillery
round or a mortar round,
663
00:43:47,416 --> 00:43:52,343
and we suspect that it was either
a 155mm round or a 175mm round,
664
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:57,477
and that was triggered,
we think,
665
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,105
by a battery and
a couple of metal plates.
666
00:44:01,389 --> 00:44:05,235
And when the contact was made,
completed the circuit, and up it went.
667
00:44:05,518 --> 00:44:07,191
The officer...
668
00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:11,733
that came and
announced Ring's death...
669
00:44:14,235 --> 00:44:20,038
I was at work and I was putting
my coat and hat on the rack
670
00:44:20,324 --> 00:44:25,501
and I heard someone say, "He just
came up on the elevator." And then...
671
00:44:25,788 --> 00:44:29,964
another man that worked
with me came down and said,
672
00:44:30,251 --> 00:44:34,222
"Look, they want you in the
conference room right away."
673
00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:41,229
So he and I walked up to the
office and he opened the door,
674
00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:47,565
and I stepped in thinking he would come in
right behind me, but he closed the door.
675
00:44:47,852 --> 00:44:51,026
And here I was face to face
676
00:44:51,314 --> 00:44:54,944
with a service officer, a major,
677
00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:58,454
and a sergeant major.
678
00:44:58,738 --> 00:45:01,662
And he was on one
side of the board table
679
00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:05,078
and I was facing him
across the table
680
00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:10,842
and the sergeant
was on his right.
681
00:45:11,125 --> 00:45:16,632
And he introduced himself as Major So-and-So,
I can't think of his name right now.
682
00:45:16,923 --> 00:45:21,269
But his daughter worked at
SUPSHIP across the street,
683
00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:27,400
so we had a little chat about the
fact that I knew his daughter.
684
00:45:27,683 --> 00:45:31,483
Then he said, "I have some..."
Well, I looked at him,
685
00:45:31,771 --> 00:45:34,024
and it was perfectly reasonable.
686
00:45:34,315 --> 00:45:39,287
I saw that he had
a bronze oak leaf,
687
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:43,871
and the device
on his lapel indicated
688
00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:48,538
that he was
of the engineer corps,
689
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:51,127
corps of engineers.
690
00:45:51,415 --> 00:45:57,297
That seemed to be perfectly normal
to me, so, what's this all about?
691
00:45:57,588 --> 00:46:00,057
It never dawned on me
692
00:46:00,341 --> 00:46:04,938
until he said, "I have some
very bad news for you."
693
00:46:07,223 --> 00:46:10,067
And even then,
until he went to work and said,
694
00:46:10,351 --> 00:46:16,029
"Your son was killed
on the 15th, Monday the 15th."
695
00:46:16,315 --> 00:46:20,036
And this was Wednesday,
just two days later.
696
00:46:25,408 --> 00:46:28,912
March 17th darling, March 17th.
697
00:46:33,499 --> 00:46:34,751
And that was a...
698
00:46:37,003 --> 00:46:38,801
that was a tough thing.
699
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:26,720
My mother called me
and told me that he was gone.
700
00:47:27,011 --> 00:47:29,139
I mean, she just said,
"He's gone."
701
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:33,151
And I walked out the back door
and I went home,
702
00:47:33,434 --> 00:47:37,280
and I went home and you
know, you see it in movies
703
00:47:37,563 --> 00:47:43,241
the olive green sedan,
704
00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:46,827
with the dress uniforms,
that drives up to the house.
705
00:47:47,114 --> 00:47:50,994
And there was the olive green sedan
in front of my mother's house,
706
00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:52,912
and my sister was there...
707
00:48:04,757 --> 00:48:07,385
- I'm sorry.
- It's okay.
708
00:48:09,345 --> 00:48:11,313
And the Army men were there,
709
00:48:11,597 --> 00:48:15,022
and their shoes were
so, so fucking shiny.
710
00:48:16,352 --> 00:48:22,860
At the time that we were
informed of his death,
711
00:48:24,235 --> 00:48:27,705
the officer that was responsible
712
00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:31,993
went to the apartment,
the address that Ring had.
713
00:48:32,284 --> 00:48:37,757
That was his abode at the time that he
went into the service was Hartford.
714
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,762
So that officer went to
the Hartford apartment
715
00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:49,223
and he received a very
unpleasant greeting
716
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:52,389
from a member of Marie's family.
717
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,024
When they were leaving,
718
00:48:55,307 --> 00:49:00,279
I said to him
in my anger, I said,
719
00:49:00,563 --> 00:49:02,611
"It's too bad he was
fighting on the wrong side."
720
00:49:02,898 --> 00:49:06,368
The young brother,
Marie's young brother
721
00:49:06,652 --> 00:49:11,579
was sort of a wild
kid in college,
722
00:49:11,866 --> 00:49:15,291
and I don't know what the name
of the association was,
723
00:49:15,578 --> 00:49:20,835
but he represented
the ultra extreme
724
00:49:21,125 --> 00:49:24,049
student opposition to the war.
725
00:49:24,336 --> 00:49:27,510
I was involved
in antiwar activity.
726
00:49:27,798 --> 00:49:30,221
I had a choice
when I went to college.
727
00:49:30,509 --> 00:49:36,141
Some of my friends went further to the left, went
to what they called the Weather Underground.
728
00:49:36,432 --> 00:49:41,563
I was involved with a group called Students
for a Democratic Society, it was SDS.
729
00:49:41,854 --> 00:49:45,904
And I went with what was
called the moratorium.
730
00:49:46,192 --> 00:49:50,413
The moratorium was
symbolized by the dove,
731
00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:53,040
and it was the peace movement.
732
00:49:53,324 --> 00:49:59,548
And it wasn't just kids like us with
long hair. It was grandmothers.
733
00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:06,554
It was real people who really wanted to end
this war and make the world a better place.
734
00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:11,092
So I talked with
the older brother,
735
00:50:11,383 --> 00:50:14,853
and I gave him a little
bit of a warning, I said,
736
00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:18,767
"As a result of
Rik's involvement...
737
00:50:20,476 --> 00:50:25,152
I think you should be aware
that I've been informed
738
00:50:25,439 --> 00:50:28,784
that there's a possibility
739
00:50:29,068 --> 00:50:32,618
that students may go
to work and demonstrate."
740
00:50:32,905 --> 00:50:35,829
They were concerned
about me at the funeral.
741
00:50:38,494 --> 00:50:43,716
They were concerned that I'd do
things that, I don't know...
742
00:50:45,793 --> 00:50:47,921
All I did was cry.
743
00:50:49,755 --> 00:50:51,883
I couldn't drive my car.
744
00:50:52,174 --> 00:50:56,224
I've never known
that amount of grief ever.
745
00:50:58,430 --> 00:51:04,233
Loring M Bailey Jr. was killed on March
15, 1970 in an explosion that also killed
746
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,616
19-year-old Staff Sergeant Robert A.
Wood of Savannah, Georgia.
747
00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:11,994
In a letter to my mother dated
March 17th my father wrote,
748
00:51:12,278 --> 00:51:16,374
"I just learned yesterday that a good
friend of mine was killed by a booby trap.
749
00:51:16,657 --> 00:51:19,581
I'm sure you remember me speaking
of a Loring Bailey after OCS
750
00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:22,542
and a few months ago
when I met him on LZ Liz.
751
00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:24,832
It is such a damn waste.
752
00:51:25,124 --> 00:51:28,879
I tried ever since I got a job in the rear to
get him into the office and out of the field.
753
00:51:29,169 --> 00:51:32,343
Now I feel like
I didn't try hard enough."
754
00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:36,352
A little over two months later on May 20,
the helicopter Glenn Rickert was piloting
755
00:51:36,635 --> 00:51:38,854
received enemy fire,
and he was killed.
756
00:51:39,138 --> 00:51:44,360
It's hard to recollect because I wasn't
there, but from the information that I got,
757
00:51:44,643 --> 00:51:46,270
which was sparse,
758
00:51:46,562 --> 00:51:48,610
and the Way I envision it
in my mind
759
00:51:48,897 --> 00:51:54,529
is that he was on
a combat assault,
760
00:51:54,820 --> 00:52:00,293
combat recon.
He had cover, aerial cover,
761
00:52:00,576 --> 00:52:04,206
with maybe some other types of
gunships or maybe another LOH.
762
00:52:04,496 --> 00:52:10,799
More than likely other gunships
and he was...
763
00:52:11,086 --> 00:52:14,556
doing low-level
reconnaissance, I believe.
764
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,061
When I say that, we're talking
about five feet above the ground,
765
00:52:19,345 --> 00:52:23,020
hovering around low and slow
blowing the bushes away,
766
00:52:23,307 --> 00:52:26,311
looking behind rocks
and looking for tunnels.
767
00:52:26,602 --> 00:52:29,321
I believe it was on
the side of a mountain,
768
00:52:29,605 --> 00:52:35,032
maybe 150 feet or 200
feet above the valley.
769
00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:39,290
It wasn't unusual
to uncover hiding places,
770
00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:44,170
and have people get up and start
moving and running and shooting.
771
00:52:44,453 --> 00:52:47,753
From what I was told
that's what happened.
772
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,340
He uncovered the enemy
or somebody was there
773
00:52:51,627 --> 00:52:54,676
and maybe from behind
a rock they shot him down.
774
00:52:54,963 --> 00:53:01,141
The bullet that killed him actually came
in through his back, through his shoulder,
775
00:53:01,428 --> 00:53:05,649
and hit his heart,
so it was instant.
776
00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:10,484
So somehow, even though
he had protective armor on,
777
00:53:10,771 --> 00:53:14,571
it came in at a side angle, but
still directly hit his heart.
778
00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:18,112
I was thankful it
wasn't a painful death.
779
00:53:18,404 --> 00:53:23,786
For us it was very decisive
and we knew that it was quick.
780
00:53:24,076 --> 00:53:27,546
I mean, that's small
comfort, but...
781
00:53:27,830 --> 00:53:31,835
I don't remember too much about
Vietnam after that day actually.
782
00:53:32,126 --> 00:53:38,429
I'm not sure of the day, whether it was
close to the end of my tour, I don't know,
783
00:53:38,716 --> 00:53:40,559
but I don't really have
much of a recollection
784
00:53:40,843 --> 00:53:45,269
of Vietnam or what
happened after that sad day.
785
00:53:45,556 --> 00:53:48,951
Before Glenn Rickert's body was shipped
home, there was a short memorial service
786
00:53:48,976 --> 00:53:51,775
held to honor
the popular captain.
787
00:53:52,062 --> 00:53:55,422
When my father was given the assignment to
shoot these pictures he initially refused,
788
00:53:55,649 --> 00:53:58,198
so saddened was he by the
loss of his colleague.
789
00:53:58,485 --> 00:54:00,704
When threatened with an Article
15 letter of reprimand,
790
00:54:00,988 --> 00:54:03,662
he reluctantly
documented the ceremony.
791
00:54:03,949 --> 00:54:08,876
We had been living up in
Sellersville, Glenn Jr. and myself.
792
00:54:09,163 --> 00:54:13,669
And that Saturday there was
a Memorial Day parade
793
00:54:13,959 --> 00:54:17,463
and of course it came right down
past our house, and we were outside.
794
00:54:17,755 --> 00:54:19,928
And then it came down
to the little town square
795
00:54:20,215 --> 00:54:26,769
and they had a little ceremony, and I'll
always remember at that time I prayed
796
00:54:27,055 --> 00:54:32,152
and was thinking about
all the women who were widows
797
00:54:32,436 --> 00:54:36,532
or had lost loved ones, or
mothers who had lost loved ones.
798
00:54:36,815 --> 00:54:42,367
I said a prayer for them, just in remembrance
because this was a Memorial Day parade
799
00:54:42,654 --> 00:54:44,656
and the next clay was Sunday.
800
00:54:44,948 --> 00:54:50,170
I had gone with Glenn's parents and then we came
home to Glenn's parents' home in Souderton.
801
00:54:50,454 --> 00:54:54,334
We came in the back door,
and as we came in the back door,
802
00:54:54,625 --> 00:54:57,469
the doorbell was
ringing at the front.
803
00:54:57,753 --> 00:55:04,136
And I walked through the living room
and saw the uniform and you just know.
804
00:55:04,426 --> 00:55:10,433
So I opened the door, and the poor guy
there, I said, "Just tell me he's not dead."
805
00:55:10,724 --> 00:55:12,692
And of course,
what could he say?
806
00:55:12,976 --> 00:55:15,149
Just, "I regret to inform you."
807
00:55:15,437 --> 00:55:20,238
And then Glenn's morn came in the room
behind me and she just started crying,
808
00:55:20,526 --> 00:55:22,528
because she just knew.
809
00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:24,822
I mean, that's a day
I'll always remember.
810
00:55:25,113 --> 00:55:28,788
I'm feeling emotions right now because it's
just something you don't ever want to hear,
811
00:55:29,076 --> 00:55:30,919
but the minute you see
the uniform,
812
00:55:31,203 --> 00:55:33,163
you know they're not coming
to tell you he's fine.
813
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,298
You know that it's bad news.
814
00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:37,380
So that's how we found out.
We were together.
815
00:55:37,668 --> 00:55:42,970
And After Glenn had been killed,
the proceedings just stopped.
816
00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:47,854
I had received one phone call the
week I found out Glenn was killed.
817
00:55:48,136 --> 00:55:51,060
They said, "We're sorry,"
and they hung up,
818
00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:54,978
and if I had wanted to go on,
I had no connections,
819
00:55:55,269 --> 00:55:57,522
because Glenn was handling
everything over there.
820
00:55:57,813 --> 00:56:02,569
And it's been a source of guilt,
like, whatever happened to Ian?
821
00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:08,162
I pray that maybe someone else adopted her,
or that she was able to come here to America.
822
00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:11,076
But I often wonder
what happened to her.
823
00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:14,872
Every once in a while I wonder if
in fact this child got over here.
824
00:56:16,874 --> 00:56:22,881
The follow up, again, the psychology
or my psychology was such,
825
00:56:23,171 --> 00:56:26,211
and I think the psychology of a lot of
the people that served over there was,
826
00:56:26,425 --> 00:56:27,847
you serve your time,
you get back
827
00:56:28,135 --> 00:56:30,513
and then you get back into
the world and you do your thing,
828
00:56:30,804 --> 00:56:32,084
which is essentially what I did.
829
00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:29,197
Where Ring's death fell
in terms of my activity,
830
00:57:29,488 --> 00:57:35,166
I can't really recall now.
831
00:57:36,787 --> 00:57:40,417
After he was killed,
832
00:57:40,707 --> 00:57:42,801
we defaced a billboard.
833
00:57:43,085 --> 00:57:47,761
The billboard said, "To an unemployed
veteran... peace is hell."
834
00:57:48,048 --> 00:57:51,769
And so we changed it with spray paint,
"To a dead veteran... war is hell."
835
00:57:52,052 --> 00:57:55,602
And for the first time in the history
of the Hartford Times newspaper,
836
00:57:55,889 --> 00:57:58,517
they printed a picture
on the editorial page.
837
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:01,688
We wrote this letter about it
called "Yours and uncertainty."
838
00:58:01,979 --> 00:58:05,404
We called ourselves "the
Children of American Blood."
839
00:58:07,693 --> 00:58:11,414
But we were young,
and we were immature.
840
00:58:11,697 --> 00:58:16,294
When President Nixon mined
Haiphong Harbor,
841
00:58:16,576 --> 00:58:20,706
a group of us, maybe 20
of us, got together.
842
00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:27,597
We got 40-gallon steel drums
and we made mines out of them.
843
00:58:27,879 --> 00:58:32,555
We painted "Kaboom" on them and tied
them with ropes and cinder blocks,
844
00:58:32,843 --> 00:58:35,153
and in the middle of the night,
drove over the Connecticut River
845
00:58:35,178 --> 00:58:38,478
and dropped these drums off into the
river and drove to the other side.
846
00:58:38,765 --> 00:58:41,939
When it was all secure, people
called all the media and said,
847
00:58:42,227 --> 00:58:46,152
"We mined the Connecticut
River," in a protest.
848
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,784
I used to say "Nixon,"
now I say "President Nixon."
849
00:58:49,067 --> 00:58:53,573
I hate the man, but there's
a respect that's important.
850
00:58:53,864 --> 00:58:57,994
And then we held a press conference
in front of city hall in Hartford
851
00:58:58,285 --> 00:59:00,413
and turned ourselves in.
852
00:59:00,704 --> 00:59:04,083
This is what we did
and this is why we did it.
853
00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:09,631
But that put the people onto us,
whoever they were...
854
00:59:11,131 --> 00:59:13,850
the FBI, or army intelligence,
whoever they were
855
00:59:14,134 --> 00:59:17,013
and they were parked outside
our apartment so...
856
00:59:19,097 --> 00:59:22,818
So we moved, I was the last one
to leave and I came to Vermont...
857
00:59:24,144 --> 00:59:26,146
The safety of Vermont.
858
00:59:26,438 --> 00:59:29,988
We were no more liberating that
country than we're liberating Iraq.
859
00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:36,957
We weren't even invading.
We were trying to prop up
860
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,585
a puppet state to our own ends,
861
00:59:40,869 --> 00:59:45,591
either for economic reasons
or to "stop communism."
862
00:59:45,874 --> 00:59:47,217
Stop the domino from falling.
863
00:59:47,501 --> 00:59:50,755
He changed.
He was always pretty serious,
864
00:59:51,046 --> 00:59:54,926
but I think this experience would
be life-changing for anyone,
865
00:59:55,217 --> 00:59:56,817
and I think it was
life changing for him.
866
00:59:56,927 --> 01:00:02,650
In the immediate return,
his startle response was high.
867
01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:06,358
We were driving home from
a trip right after he got back,
868
01:00:06,645 --> 01:00:11,776
and a helicopter flew over and
he almost dove out of the car.
869
01:00:12,067 --> 01:00:14,002
He was just much more...
and that would be typical.
870
01:00:14,027 --> 01:00:19,784
And I also think it made him more
grave, and a little bit darker.
871
01:00:20,075 --> 01:00:22,328
I feel guilt
about surviving.
872
01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:28,126
That doesn't go away. Collateral damage extends
not only to the individual who survives,
873
01:00:28,416 --> 01:00:32,637
or is in fact killed,
but there's a ripple effect.
874
01:00:32,921 --> 01:00:37,347
It effects the family in
physical and psychological ways.
875
01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:41,104
Elizabeth essentially
has had to contend
876
01:00:41,388 --> 01:00:44,016
with a different person than
she married after one year.
877
01:00:44,307 --> 01:00:50,690
The person you had or my offspring
experienced a different person than I was
878
01:00:50,981 --> 01:00:56,579
before I went in the military,
and those things don't go away.
879
01:00:56,862 --> 01:01:01,493
Those things are perpetuated.
880
01:01:01,783 --> 01:01:05,287
It's like the ringing in my ears
from the concussion.
881
01:01:05,579 --> 01:01:09,129
It's there all the time and
it's very close to the surface
882
01:01:09,416 --> 01:01:11,293
and I can hear it all the time.
883
01:01:11,585 --> 01:01:17,308
Sometimes it's louder, sometimes
it's softer, but it's always there.
884
01:01:17,591 --> 01:01:23,439
That's self-serving because I also know that
it affects my son, my daughter, my wife.
885
01:01:23,722 --> 01:01:26,396
It's not that I feel guilty
for surviving. I just-
886
01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:30,232
I just...
887
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,525
Why do these things happen?
888
01:01:34,816 --> 01:01:36,739
It's hard. I'm trying
to find the right words.
889
01:01:37,027 --> 01:01:39,906
I'm not guilty for surviving...
890
01:01:40,197 --> 01:01:44,703
but I guess you wonder, well...
891
01:01:44,993 --> 01:01:49,749
what made me walk away at the moment?
Where was I going?
892
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,510
Was I truly done there? Did somebody
call me away to do something else?
893
01:01:55,629 --> 01:01:56,801
Why wasn't I there?
894
01:01:57,088 --> 01:02:01,764
I went years and years dealing
with the symptoms,
895
01:02:02,052 --> 01:02:06,728
and then we figured out, "Oh, of
course, it's post traumatic."
896
01:02:07,015 --> 01:02:11,566
So one of the options here is to take
some anti-depressants or whatever,
897
01:02:11,853 --> 01:02:16,484
which didn't seem to do the job.
898
01:02:16,775 --> 01:02:23,454
But it's still there. It's not necessarily
going to kill you, but it's there.
899
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:28,541
You can't rationalize it. You can identify
it, but you can't make it go away.
900
01:02:28,828 --> 01:02:32,458
I would like to be able to remember
everyone's face that I lost in my unit.
901
01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:34,547
I would like to know the names.
902
01:02:34,834 --> 01:02:39,681
I would like to be able to, in
some way, go back through those...
903
01:02:39,965 --> 01:02:42,184
Even though they
were horrible things...
904
01:02:44,636 --> 01:02:49,267
Because I just feel like
I'm not doing justice to them
905
01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:52,857
to not be able to remember who
the heck they were when...
906
01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:57,240
they died there right in front of me doing
things we were all supposed to be doing.
907
01:02:57,524 --> 01:03:00,619
I have a very low
startle threshold.
908
01:03:00,902 --> 01:03:03,496
If I was napping or if you came
up behind me in the garage
909
01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:05,782
and tapped me on the shoulders,
910
01:03:06,074 --> 01:03:11,456
my reaction is to spin around or put up my
hands, or somehow go into a defensive position.
911
01:03:11,746 --> 01:03:13,339
I'm telegraphing to,
912
01:03:13,623 --> 01:03:18,880
whether it's Elizabeth or you or my
daughter that the world is hostile.
913
01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:21,798
If you want to survive,
this is how you have to be,
914
01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:24,889
and it's an unspoken
message, it's telegraphed.
915
01:03:25,176 --> 01:03:28,476
I remember him overreacting
to certain things,
916
01:03:28,763 --> 01:03:33,485
but the thing is that
that's sort of, that's Dad.
917
01:03:33,768 --> 01:03:37,818
So he will overreact to things,
but then it'll be fine.
918
01:03:38,106 --> 01:03:41,656
And his overreaction wasn't
a big deal to me, ever.
919
01:03:41,943 --> 01:03:46,414
Ever. It was just the way it was
and it's sort of like,
920
01:03:46,698 --> 01:03:49,542
I knew it wasn't something
that he could control.
921
01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:56,505
My daughter, my son, my wife have experienced
somebody who, since coming back,
922
01:03:56,791 --> 01:04:01,547
often times does not take
that step of thinking,
923
01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:03,806
but reacts as if in the jungle.
924
01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:07,344
He's definitely been
affected by Vietnam.
925
01:04:07,635 --> 01:04:11,936
I mean, he probably was a
different person before Vietnam,
926
01:04:12,223 --> 01:04:14,383
but he's not a bad person now.
He's a great person now.
927
01:04:14,476 --> 01:04:17,650
Living with guilt is awful, and I think
that guilt and regret and remorse
928
01:04:17,937 --> 01:04:20,065
and all those things
are real wastes of emotion,
929
01:04:20,357 --> 01:04:22,030
because you can do
something about them.
930
01:04:22,317 --> 01:04:26,072
So if you feel guilty about something
what can you choose to do?
931
01:04:26,363 --> 01:04:31,415
I always had this interest in terms
of finding where Loring Bailey was buried.
932
01:04:31,701 --> 01:04:33,703
I checked a couple
graves registrations
933
01:04:33,995 --> 01:04:36,714
and went on the Internet
when the Internet was available,
934
01:04:36,998 --> 01:04:38,875
and found nothing
in the immediate area.
935
01:04:39,167 --> 01:04:45,550
And of course 20 years later, it was our
first Memorial Day weekend here in Mystic.
936
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,609
Elizabeth said,
"You're not going to believe,"
937
01:04:47,634 --> 01:04:49,557
or, "Take a look at the
front page of the paper."
938
01:04:49,844 --> 01:04:54,850
And the front page of the paper had that picture
I showed you of Loring Bailey, the son,
939
01:04:55,141 --> 01:04:59,897
in Vietnam, and the story that accompanied
it had to do with Memorial Day
940
01:05:00,188 --> 01:05:04,910
and the mother and father living in
Stonington which is four miles away,
941
01:05:05,193 --> 01:05:07,696
three miles away, and the fact
Loring is buried
942
01:05:07,987 --> 01:05:10,006
less than two miles
from where I'm living right now.
943
01:05:10,031 --> 01:05:14,161
In any case, I read the article and was
incredulous that after all these years,
944
01:05:14,452 --> 01:05:19,253
and my failure to find where he was
buried, the front page of the newspaper,
945
01:05:19,541 --> 01:05:24,138
sort of rubbed my nose in it saying,
"Here they are, here's the family."
946
01:05:24,421 --> 01:05:27,550
So I picked up the telephone,
introduced myself,
947
01:05:27,841 --> 01:05:31,596
"I apologize in advance
if this is a painful subject,
948
01:05:31,886 --> 01:05:35,166
but I just wanted to let you know I knew
your son, and he was a wonderful person."
949
01:05:35,265 --> 01:05:36,642
Your father said...
950
01:05:39,269 --> 01:05:45,618
"You don't know who I am,
but I was with your son
951
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:51,623
in Vietnam and I
was with him at OCS."
952
01:05:51,906 --> 01:05:56,457
And I said,
"Oh, where are you?"
953
01:05:56,744 --> 01:05:58,667
"Well," he said,
"I'm in Old Mystic."
954
01:05:58,955 --> 01:06:05,588
The thought that I had was, "Well, he must
have picked up Rings name from the stone,
955
01:06:05,879 --> 01:06:09,679
the monument
down in Old Mystic.
956
01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:14,062
And I hesitate to call you because I
didn't want to bring back bad memories,
957
01:06:14,345 --> 01:06:15,517
and I hope you don't mind."
958
01:06:15,805 --> 01:06:20,060
He said, "I don't mind at all."
959
01:06:20,351 --> 01:06:26,825
I said, "I'll stop by sometime," and he
said, "What are you doing in 10 minutes?"
960
01:06:27,108 --> 01:06:30,203
"We would like
very much to see you."
961
01:06:32,864 --> 01:06:38,587
And he said, "Well I'd be glad to come over, and
I'll come over as soon as I change my clothes."
962
01:06:41,331 --> 01:06:45,211
And I said, "Well that's
fine." I hung up.
963
01:06:45,502 --> 01:06:47,470
I turned to Dot and I said,
964
01:06:47,754 --> 01:06:51,258
"I have no idea where he is, he's
going in to change his clothes.
965
01:06:51,549 --> 01:06:55,474
He couldn't have been
at the monument in Old Mystic."
966
01:06:57,055 --> 01:07:01,060
It never dawned on me that
he was living in the area.
967
01:07:01,351 --> 01:07:08,109
So he came up to the front door and
that's how we met, at the front door.
968
01:07:08,399 --> 01:07:10,117
It was quite interesting.
969
01:07:10,401 --> 01:07:13,780
We've been visiting
each other ever since.
970
01:07:14,072 --> 01:07:18,293
And, as I told them,
I was, for 20 years, 30 years,
971
01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:22,626
more interested in where he was
buried than where they were living,
972
01:07:22,914 --> 01:07:27,920
which is probably a regret or
probably a monumental oversight,
973
01:07:28,211 --> 01:07:30,179
but that's the way
it played out.
974
01:07:30,463 --> 01:07:35,469
And I think he felt like he helped them to
really get to understand what their son's...
975
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,229
Some of the times that he spent
in the last year of his life,
976
01:07:38,513 --> 01:07:41,107
because when your son
is in training or OCS.
977
01:07:41,391 --> 01:07:43,234
So just the stories
he could tell,
978
01:07:43,518 --> 01:07:46,112
a little bit about what his last
months might have been like,
979
01:07:46,396 --> 01:07:47,989
or what it was like in Vietnam.
980
01:07:48,273 --> 01:07:51,073
I know he thinks he performed a service
and really was helpful to them.
981
01:07:51,234 --> 01:07:57,867
Dorothy obviously feels a loss, and
is still very, very sensitive.
982
01:07:58,157 --> 01:08:01,707
Not to say he isn't,
but he's in military history
983
01:08:01,995 --> 01:08:07,718
and that kind of thing and follows the
history of his son's involvement.
984
01:08:08,001 --> 01:08:11,505
And then when we talk we talk about,
typically I'm talking to the father.
985
01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:15,175
I think about him now
and it's just sadness,
986
01:08:15,466 --> 01:08:20,017
that a man would lose
his son at the age of 24.
987
01:08:20,305 --> 01:08:22,774
That the whole lifetime
would be taken away.
988
01:08:23,057 --> 01:08:28,780
And now here I am, I'm 60 years
old and my son is a Marine.
989
01:08:29,063 --> 01:08:34,035
And who'd of thought that my son
would be a Marine?
990
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,414
Now I fly an American flag
in front of my house,
991
01:08:37,697 --> 01:08:39,290
and I wouldn't have
thought of it then,
992
01:08:39,574 --> 01:08:43,169
or I would have flown it upside
down or something like that.
993
01:08:43,453 --> 01:08:46,093
I think it's fascinating,
that at least you've told me,
994
01:08:46,372 --> 01:08:49,492
a number of people you've been in touch
with about this process of making this,
995
01:08:49,626 --> 01:08:54,257
working on this film, where they have said, "I
never thought I'd talk to anybody about this."
996
01:08:54,547 --> 01:08:56,424
I've never talked
about this before."
997
01:08:56,716 --> 01:09:00,141
So remember that Dad,
and many people,
998
01:09:00,428 --> 01:09:02,548
they don't talk about themselves
unless they're asked.
999
01:09:02,722 --> 01:09:04,522
I'll talk about myself
whether you ask or not.
1000
01:09:04,807 --> 01:09:08,232
Dad's introverted, so if you
look at type he's an introvert.
1001
01:09:08,519 --> 01:09:12,774
He generally needs
to be drawn out.
1002
01:09:13,066 --> 01:09:16,411
And so when people say, "How was the
war?" They want you to say "Fine."
1003
01:09:16,694 --> 01:09:19,547
And they might say, you know, "What was
the best thing that happened to you
1004
01:09:19,572 --> 01:09:21,324
or the worst thing
that happened?"
1005
01:09:21,616 --> 01:09:24,761
But if you sit down and say, "I want to
know what was the hardest thing about it?"
1006
01:09:24,786 --> 01:09:27,505
or "What was the best thing
about it?" or "What elated you?"
1007
01:09:27,789 --> 01:09:29,974
Those, I believe are the things
that he's willing to talk about.
1008
01:09:29,999 --> 01:09:33,003
But you need to feel the interest
when you're somebody that has
1009
01:09:33,294 --> 01:09:36,639
his particular type, and I would think
that'd be true of almost anybody.
1010
01:09:36,923 --> 01:09:40,928
It's not a conversation I ever have.
No one's interested.
1011
01:09:41,219 --> 01:09:42,971
You're interested.
1012
01:09:43,262 --> 01:09:47,108
Would you be interested if your father had
not had a similar type of experience?
1013
01:09:47,392 --> 01:09:51,397
Would you be asking these questions
and things? Maybe you would...
1014
01:09:53,481 --> 01:09:59,033
but this starts out with you wanting
to know more about your father,
1015
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,822
and what his experience was,
1016
01:10:01,114 --> 01:10:05,164
and what was going on at the time,
and how did he deal with all this.
1017
01:10:07,412 --> 01:10:09,540
Was that the thing
that started you?
1018
01:10:09,831 --> 01:10:13,226
I mean, if you hadn't had that connection would
it just have been something that happened
1019
01:10:13,251 --> 01:10:15,800
in history, and you
wouldn't be here today?
1020
01:10:16,087 --> 01:10:19,842
I'm really glad you're here and I'm
really glad I have a chance...
1021
01:10:21,634 --> 01:10:28,233
to talk about Ring. I'm just
thrilled that I have a chance to...
1022
01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:29,938
let this out.
1023
01:10:30,226 --> 01:10:35,357
I'm talking to you today because
of the way you presented yourself
1024
01:10:35,648 --> 01:10:40,245
as someone who's got a serious interest in
putting together a little piece of history,
1025
01:10:40,528 --> 01:10:43,372
some people that
are intertwined somehow,
1026
01:10:43,656 --> 01:10:47,536
and if there was something I could
say that would add to that,
1027
01:10:47,827 --> 01:10:50,330
I'd be happy to do that,
1028
01:10:50,621 --> 01:10:53,545
although I've never had a conversation
like this with anybody else before.
1029
01:10:53,833 --> 01:11:00,011
When David graduated from Paris
Island, and he was a young recruit,
1030
01:11:00,298 --> 01:11:04,644
Paris Island, eyes like
deer in headlights.
1031
01:11:04,927 --> 01:11:08,932
We brought him home,
and we passed through airports,
1032
01:11:09,223 --> 01:11:13,820
and it was obvious that we were
parents and he was a Marine.
1033
01:11:14,103 --> 01:11:20,827
And people came out of the crowd to
shake his hand, to pat him on the back.
1034
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:24,831
The respect was overwhelming,
1035
01:11:25,114 --> 01:11:29,164
and as a parent it just
made us immensely proud.
1036
01:11:29,452 --> 01:11:33,548
And I'm sure that that's
what Mr. Bailey felt.
1037
01:11:33,831 --> 01:11:40,555
But the pride and the respect
for my son is wonderful.
1038
01:11:40,838 --> 01:11:43,387
Is wonderful, you know,
1039
01:11:43,674 --> 01:11:45,234
and I see it and
I hear it all the time.
1040
01:11:45,343 --> 01:11:47,437
People say, "How's your
boy doing? Where is he now?"
1041
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,815
And I always say,
"Thanks for asking.
1042
01:11:51,098 --> 01:11:53,851
Thanks for asking because
we're very proud of him, too."
1043
01:11:54,143 --> 01:11:55,611
I have to say
it's been interesting.
1044
01:11:55,895 --> 01:11:58,318
I have run into some
people in the last few years,
1045
01:11:58,606 --> 01:12:02,406
and not just when you go in
and see a doctor at the VA,
1046
01:12:02,693 --> 01:12:05,367
because they're all primed to say,
"Thank you for your service."
1047
01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:09,455
That's kind of part of
their mantra down there.
1048
01:12:09,742 --> 01:12:11,289
But I have run into other people
1049
01:12:11,577 --> 01:12:16,208
and it's caught me quite off guard
when somehow they've found out...
1050
01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:19,594
And I'm not sure, I can't point
to a specific conversation...
1051
01:12:19,877 --> 01:12:26,635
But when they find out that I was in
Vietnam and I was in the infantry,
1052
01:12:26,926 --> 01:12:31,853
and very sincerely
they say, "Thank you,"
1053
01:12:33,391 --> 01:12:37,362
and... it catches me off guard.
1054
01:12:37,645 --> 01:12:43,027
Just saying it now has kind of...
because nobody ever said that.
1055
01:12:43,317 --> 01:12:47,367
And I didn't realize anybody
really thought about it.
1056
01:12:49,615 --> 01:12:54,371
It's kind of unnerving because I don't
think I did anything to be thanked for.
1057
01:12:54,662 --> 01:12:56,630
It could have been anybody.
1058
01:12:56,914 --> 01:13:02,045
It could have been anybody going, anybody
being killed, anybody surviving.
1059
01:13:02,336 --> 01:13:07,638
The difference between somebody wounded,
being killed, not being hurt...
1060
01:13:07,925 --> 01:13:10,178
A couple of inches,
a few seconds in time.
1061
01:13:11,929 --> 01:13:14,773
When my son is in harm's way...
1062
01:13:16,684 --> 01:13:20,234
Barbara and I live
1063
01:13:20,521 --> 01:13:23,365
with a level of fear.
1064
01:13:23,649 --> 01:13:28,655
Every car that comes clown the street, I
look to see if it has government plates.
1065
01:13:29,780 --> 01:13:31,908
That's hard.
1066
01:13:33,492 --> 01:13:35,177
Because you know
what that looks like?
1067
01:13:35,202 --> 01:13:37,796
- I do.
- Those shoes.
1068
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,550
Oh, shiny. Shiny, shiny shoes.
1069
01:13:42,752 --> 01:13:45,596
How do they get them so shiny?
1070
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,510
Three or four months into the
tour, I was noticing the ringing,
1071
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,395
and the inability to understand
people when they're talking.
1072
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:56,273
And I went to Chu Lai and
they tested my ears and said,
1073
01:13:56,557 --> 01:13:58,317
"You've got a hearing
loss in the mid range.
1074
01:13:58,559 --> 01:14:01,358
The nerves are destroyed.
It's not temporary.
1075
01:14:01,646 --> 01:14:03,766
The middle range is where
the consonants are formed,
1076
01:14:04,023 --> 01:14:07,143
which means you're going to have trouble
understanding people when they talk.
1077
01:14:07,193 --> 01:14:09,070
Here are some earplugs,
1078
01:14:09,362 --> 01:14:14,619
so if you're gonna be in a situation where
there is loud noise, wear your ear plugs."
1079
01:14:14,909 --> 01:14:18,129
My father took this
picture in Vietnam in 1970.
1080
01:14:18,412 --> 01:14:20,506
Seconds later he took this one.
1081
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:24,010
When he first showed me these prints, he
asked me if I could tell the difference.
1082
01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:27,772
I pointed out the obvious, or what had become
obvious to me during the making of this film
1083
01:14:27,797 --> 01:14:29,717
after pouring through
hundreds of others like it.
1084
01:14:29,966 --> 01:14:34,221
The barrel of the 155mm Howitzer
is recoiled in the second picture,
1085
01:14:34,512 --> 01:14:36,352
and you can see the dust
rising from the ground
1086
01:14:36,389 --> 01:14:38,687
under the weight of the
gun's thunderous discharge.
1087
01:14:38,975 --> 01:14:41,819
He asked me if I noticed anything else
and I couldn't think of anything.
1088
01:14:42,103 --> 01:14:44,731
So he pointed to the people
in the second shot and said,
1089
01:14:45,022 --> 01:14:48,401
"They're all holding their ears.
I was holding a camera."
1090
01:14:48,693 --> 01:14:52,338
You know, you think back on your life
and what are the things you wouldn't change?
1091
01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:54,340
I think this is one of the
things that he wouldn't change.
1092
01:14:54,365 --> 01:14:58,245
It was phenomenal for him in the
best way and the worst way.
1093
01:14:58,536 --> 01:15:01,585
My father has often asked
me why I'm making this film.
1094
01:15:01,872 --> 01:15:03,840
As different as we are,
we share this story,
1095
01:15:04,125 --> 01:15:06,173
this presence like
the ringing in his ears.
1096
01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:09,384
My wife Carrie and I even
named our firstborn son Loring,
1097
01:15:09,672 --> 01:15:13,722
after both Loring Baileys, junior and
senior, who meant so much to my father.
1098
01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:18,140
And I suppose the journalistic process of making
a documentary has brought me closer to him.
1099
01:15:18,431 --> 01:15:22,436
But in this picture, he still looks about
as far away from me as my namesake,
1100
01:15:22,727 --> 01:15:28,075
Soren Peter Sorenson I, born over a
century before me in Denmark in 1871,
1101
01:15:28,357 --> 01:15:31,987
pictured here at 17 in his
Danish military uniform.
1102
01:15:42,705 --> 01:15:46,335
♪ On the train from
Jackson to Chicago ♪
1103
01:15:46,625 --> 01:15:50,050
♪ Providence is yet
to be revealed ♪
1104
01:15:50,337 --> 01:15:53,967
♪ Standing on the platform
by my window ♪
1105
01:15:54,258 --> 01:15:57,979
♪ Soon you will be
swallowed by the fields ♪
1106
01:15:58,262 --> 01:16:02,608
♪ A sudden blur of trees
A sudden blur of trees ♪
1107
01:16:02,892 --> 01:16:06,237
♪ Rushing through
the delta veins ♪
1108
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,990
♪ On the train from
Jackson to Chicago ♪
1109
01:16:10,274 --> 01:16:13,949
♪ Licking all the wounds
that never healed ♪
1110
01:16:14,236 --> 01:16:17,866
♪ Turn around
Turn around ♪
1111
01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,661
♪ Now you're at
the end of the line ♪
1112
01:16:21,952 --> 01:16:25,752
♪ Don't look down
Don't look down ♪
1113
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,633
♪ You're standing
on the shoulders ♪
1114
01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:30,591
♪ You're standing on
the shoulders of giants ♪
1115
01:16:37,843 --> 01:16:41,564
♪ Every day the shadow
of my father ♪
1116
01:16:41,847 --> 01:16:45,226
♪ Is painted on the walls
and on the floors ♪
1117
01:16:45,518 --> 01:16:49,193
♪ It stretches out across
the open water ♪
1118
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:53,326
♪ And crashes on
the sandy eastern shores ♪
1119
01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:57,113
♪ Searching in the dark
Searching in the dark ♪
1120
01:16:57,404 --> 01:17:00,829
♪ Looking for a clue
to what's been lost ♪
1121
01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:04,496
♪ Now I see the shadow
of my father ♪
1122
01:17:04,787 --> 01:17:08,758
♪ On the shoulders
of the one that came before ♪
1123
01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:12,921
♪ Turn around
Turn around ♪
1124
01:17:13,212 --> 01:17:16,682
♪ Now you're at
the end of the line ♪
1125
01:17:16,966 --> 01:17:20,846
♪ Don't look down
Don't look down ♪
1126
01:17:21,137 --> 01:17:22,639
♪ You're standing on
the shoulders ♪
1127
01:17:22,930 --> 01:17:25,558
♪ Standing on
the shoulders of giants ♪
1128
01:17:29,353 --> 01:17:33,028
♪ A clear run
A blue sky ♪
1129
01:17:33,315 --> 01:17:37,036
♪ Downhill
A free ride ♪
1130
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:41,574
♪ A stone's throw
A straight line from here ♪
1131
01:18:00,301 --> 01:18:04,101
♪ Turn around
Turn around ♪
1132
01:18:04,388 --> 01:18:08,063
♪ Now you're at
the end of the line ♪
1133
01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:12,025
♪ Don't look down
Don't look down ♪
1134
01:18:12,313 --> 01:18:13,906
♪ You're standing
on the shoulders ♪
1135
01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:15,908
♪ Standing on the shoulders ♪
1136
01:18:16,192 --> 01:18:19,822
♪ Turn around
Turn around ♪
1137
01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:23,616
♪ Now you're at
the end of the line ♪
1138
01:18:23,908 --> 01:18:27,583
♪ Don't look down
Don't look down ♪
1139
01:18:27,870 --> 01:18:29,588
♪ You're standing
on the shoulders ♪
1140
01:18:29,872 --> 01:18:32,671
♪ You're standing
on the shoulders of giants ♪
107099
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