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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,345 --> 00:00:14,640 With Top Gun,Tom Cruise had risen so high. 2 00:00:14,723 --> 00:00:15,933 I feel the need... 3 00:00:16,015 --> 00:00:17,017 So fast... 4 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:18,936 The need for speed. 5 00:00:19,018 --> 00:00:24,650 Top Gun is the solidification of Tom Cruise as megastar. 6 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:26,109 But for his next maneuver... 7 00:00:26,193 --> 00:00:28,570 Tom Cruise is not going to take the easy route. 8 00:00:28,654 --> 00:00:29,905 No. Each film that I've done, 9 00:00:29,988 --> 00:00:32,074 I've been very specific from the choices. 10 00:00:32,156 --> 00:00:33,200 Tom liked to act. 11 00:00:33,283 --> 00:00:34,451 It's a tough life. 12 00:00:34,534 --> 00:00:36,745 [Charles] It was important to him to be seen 13 00:00:36,828 --> 00:00:38,121 as a serious actor. 14 00:00:38,205 --> 00:00:40,665 For Tom, it wasn't all about the money. 15 00:00:41,415 --> 00:00:42,876 Whatever color it was. 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,628 Maybe the money is what's throwing you off here today. 17 00:00:45,963 --> 00:00:48,423 The Color of Money was a big moment for him. 18 00:00:48,507 --> 00:00:50,384 You gotta have two things to win. 19 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:53,428 You gotta have brains and you gotta have balls. 20 00:00:53,512 --> 00:00:54,721 And he showed that he had chops. 21 00:00:54,805 --> 00:00:56,431 Tom Cruise was on a path 22 00:00:56,515 --> 00:00:58,225 to acting excellence. 23 00:00:58,308 --> 00:00:59,518 But as we'll find out, 24 00:00:59,601 --> 00:01:01,353 there were two movies on the horizon, 25 00:01:01,436 --> 00:01:04,273 Rain Manand Born on the Fourth of July, 26 00:01:04,356 --> 00:01:05,983 where Cruise would need to deliver 27 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:07,985 his best performances yet. 28 00:01:08,068 --> 00:01:10,028 If we don't go on that emotional journey 29 00:01:10,112 --> 00:01:12,822 through Tom's performance, there is no movie. 30 00:01:12,906 --> 00:01:14,908 Did you fucking hear what I said? 31 00:01:14,992 --> 00:01:17,077 From working with a legend on Rain Man... 32 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,787 - Yeah. - Dustin can be prickly. 33 00:01:20,122 --> 00:01:22,124 ...to the wrath of Oliver Stone 34 00:01:22,206 --> 00:01:24,001 on the set of Born on the Fourth of July. 35 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:25,377 He's intimidating. 36 00:01:25,459 --> 00:01:26,587 The man is terrifying. 37 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:29,047 He's fearless and he expects you to be. 38 00:01:29,131 --> 00:01:31,967 Are you trying to rat fuck me? What the fuck is this? 39 00:01:32,050 --> 00:01:33,343 Get off my set. 40 00:01:33,427 --> 00:01:35,304 Learn those effing lines. 41 00:01:35,387 --> 00:01:37,431 My name is Ron Kovic, I'm a Vietnam veteran. 42 00:01:37,514 --> 00:01:39,683 But would these two legendary performances 43 00:01:39,766 --> 00:01:40,934 be enough? 44 00:01:41,018 --> 00:01:43,145 And the Oscar goes to... 45 00:02:15,385 --> 00:02:17,679 After 1986's Top Gun, 46 00:02:17,763 --> 00:02:19,514 Tom Cruise was flying high, 47 00:02:19,598 --> 00:02:23,936 but this action star heartthrob felt the need for less speed. 48 00:02:24,019 --> 00:02:26,355 And Tom doesn't go "I'll just go the payday 49 00:02:26,438 --> 00:02:27,981 in those high action movies." 50 00:02:28,065 --> 00:02:29,149 Instead, 51 00:02:29,233 --> 00:02:31,068 Tom Cruise took a costarring role 52 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:34,029 alongside Paul Newman in The Color of Money, 53 00:02:34,112 --> 00:02:37,782 working with acclaimed Oscar-winning director, Martin Scorsese. 54 00:02:37,866 --> 00:02:40,244 Tom tries to not pick projects 55 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:42,538 based on the business of show business. 56 00:02:42,621 --> 00:02:43,747 Tom picks projects 57 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:45,624 based on what he wants to do. 58 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:47,167 And what he wanted to do next 59 00:02:47,251 --> 00:02:49,461 shook things up all over again. 60 00:02:49,544 --> 00:02:51,171 - Drinks are on the house. - 61 00:02:51,255 --> 00:02:52,840 Which brings us to the next chapter 62 00:02:52,923 --> 00:02:54,716 in Tom Cruise's career. 63 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,594 And it's these two movies he filmed in 1988 64 00:02:57,678 --> 00:02:59,388 that would prove once and for all 65 00:02:59,471 --> 00:03:03,058 that Tom Cruise wasn't just an action star. 66 00:03:03,141 --> 00:03:04,810 Tom had something to prove, still. 67 00:03:04,893 --> 00:03:07,479 You know, that he was a real actor. 68 00:03:07,563 --> 00:03:09,648 To help prove that he was a real actor, 69 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:12,234 Tom wanted to work with another real director. 70 00:03:12,317 --> 00:03:15,737 He just really wanted to work with Oliver. 71 00:03:15,821 --> 00:03:16,905 Oliver Stone. 72 00:03:16,989 --> 00:03:18,866 At the time, he was, and still is, 73 00:03:18,949 --> 00:03:22,452 one of the greatest directors of... of our age. 74 00:03:22,536 --> 00:03:24,371 Oliver Stone's recent successes 75 00:03:24,454 --> 00:03:26,456 with Talk Radioand Wall Street, 76 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:29,543 and he had already won an Oscar for one war movie. 77 00:03:29,626 --> 00:03:32,212 And his next film, starring Tom Cruise, 78 00:03:32,296 --> 00:03:35,090 would be a passion project over a decade in the making. 79 00:03:35,174 --> 00:03:38,093 I gave three quarters of my body in Vietnam. 80 00:03:38,177 --> 00:03:39,970 Born on the Fourth of July, 81 00:03:40,053 --> 00:03:43,140 was the deeply personal story of Ron Kovic. 82 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:44,933 [Frank] It's such an incredible story. 83 00:03:45,017 --> 00:03:46,018 A Vietnam vet 84 00:03:46,101 --> 00:03:47,853 whose book of the same name 85 00:03:47,936 --> 00:03:51,064 explored the human cost of the American War machine. 86 00:03:51,148 --> 00:03:53,650 [Frank] Ron Kovic's journey and it's a war story. 87 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:56,862 How he changed when he came home and who he became. 88 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:59,239 Kovic was a very flawed character. 89 00:03:59,323 --> 00:04:00,991 For Tom Cruise it would be 90 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:04,161 a chance to explore a complicated subject. 91 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:07,247 With the director known for his uncompromising take 92 00:04:07,331 --> 00:04:09,041 on the American experience. 93 00:04:09,124 --> 00:04:11,627 Oliver really honored that, as did Tom, 94 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:13,545 because you're telling Ron's story, 95 00:04:13,629 --> 00:04:16,298 which is so significant. 96 00:04:16,380 --> 00:04:20,677 This was an incredible choice for him to make. 97 00:04:20,761 --> 00:04:22,387 Sometimes, God, I'm so confused. 98 00:04:24,056 --> 00:04:25,766 Just help me, Jesus. Help me to make the right decision. 99 00:04:25,849 --> 00:04:27,726 Tom Cruise is not known for doing, you know... 100 00:04:27,809 --> 00:04:29,311 - - Fuck you! 101 00:04:29,394 --> 00:04:30,979 [Frank] ...dark material 102 00:04:31,063 --> 00:04:32,606 and the character that he plays is usually 103 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:35,609 the moral center. 104 00:04:35,692 --> 00:04:38,403 And this wasn't a role Tom would take lightly. 105 00:04:38,487 --> 00:04:40,404 Tom started to spend time at the VA Hospital, 106 00:04:40,488 --> 00:04:42,074 down in Long Beach, 107 00:04:42,157 --> 00:04:45,869 to work with some of those guys to get a feel for them. 108 00:04:45,952 --> 00:04:49,039 It was a way to take Tom and put him into this world, 109 00:04:49,122 --> 00:04:53,126 you know, situate him and envelop him. 110 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:55,254 But Tom Cruise was a busy man. 111 00:04:55,337 --> 00:04:57,880 And at the same time was preparing for the other role 112 00:04:57,964 --> 00:04:59,758 he would take on in 1988. 113 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:01,844 [Risa] Prepping one film 114 00:05:01,927 --> 00:05:03,387 while another film was shooting 115 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:06,765 because they really tumbled on top of each other. 116 00:05:06,849 --> 00:05:08,892 And tumbling down was Rain Man, 117 00:05:08,976 --> 00:05:12,813 a touching, hilarious road movie about two long lost brothers. 118 00:05:12,896 --> 00:05:15,357 And this would be another very challenging role 119 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,440 for Tom to juggle. 120 00:05:16,525 --> 00:05:18,026 Rain Man wasn't a book. 121 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:19,987 It wasn't a reboot of a TV show. 122 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:22,781 It was Barry Morrow's original screenplay. 123 00:05:22,865 --> 00:05:24,783 And this wasn't just any screenplay. 124 00:05:24,867 --> 00:05:27,619 It's a great story about two people who are family. 125 00:05:27,702 --> 00:05:29,121 But they weren't found. They didn't know it. 126 00:05:29,204 --> 00:05:30,831 - I don't have a brother. - And finding each other. 127 00:05:30,914 --> 00:05:32,875 Why didn't anybody tell me I had a brother? 128 00:05:32,958 --> 00:05:34,918 And this wasn't just any brother. 129 00:05:35,002 --> 00:05:36,545 I'm staying with my brother, Charlie Babbitt. 130 00:05:36,628 --> 00:05:38,422 - That's what you want? - Yeah. 131 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:41,008 Tom Cruise would be starring alongside none other 132 00:05:41,091 --> 00:05:42,801 than Dustin Hoffman 133 00:05:42,885 --> 00:05:43,886 who would be taking on 134 00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:45,137 one of the most challenging roles 135 00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:46,388 of his career. 136 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:50,058 He had seen 60 Minutes about savants. 137 00:05:50,142 --> 00:05:53,979 What day of the week was August 13, 1911? 138 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:56,565 Sunday. 139 00:05:56,648 --> 00:05:59,109 I think you know, so when he read it, 140 00:05:59,193 --> 00:06:00,444 it appealed to him. 141 00:06:00,527 --> 00:06:02,321 Dustin Hoffman had a long way to go 142 00:06:02,404 --> 00:06:03,988 before finding the nuance 143 00:06:04,072 --> 00:06:07,284 that would lead to one of his most incredible performances. 144 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:11,205 More than anything, he wanted it to be real. 145 00:06:11,288 --> 00:06:14,625 Handicapped movies are brutally hard to do right. 146 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:17,044 I mean, most of them come out just awful, 147 00:06:17,127 --> 00:06:19,004 and I think Dustin appreciated that, 148 00:06:19,087 --> 00:06:22,257 and wanted to do, you know, a sensitive portrayal. 149 00:06:22,341 --> 00:06:24,801 Dustin Hoffman had a lot to learn. 150 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:26,928 So he turned to Gail Murtux 151 00:06:27,012 --> 00:06:29,681 and her unique skill in the film industry. 152 00:06:29,765 --> 00:06:33,976 One of the things I started to specialize in 153 00:06:34,061 --> 00:06:35,812 was finding people who were very close 154 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:38,023 to the characters they were playing, 155 00:06:38,106 --> 00:06:40,526 for the actors to spend time with. 156 00:06:40,609 --> 00:06:44,321 I met Dustin on the movieStraight Time. 157 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:45,863 All I want to do is get a job. 158 00:06:45,948 --> 00:06:49,868 And then after that, periodically he'd called me 159 00:06:49,952 --> 00:06:53,455 to do research on things that he was considering. 160 00:06:53,539 --> 00:06:57,416 And I got a call at the end of 1986. 161 00:06:57,501 --> 00:07:00,546 He was thinking of doing this movie Rain Man, 162 00:07:00,629 --> 00:07:02,714 and he wanted me to 163 00:07:02,798 --> 00:07:07,344 sort of look at it and try and find out more about, 164 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:09,096 uh, savants. 165 00:07:09,178 --> 00:07:10,681 Gail helped discover something 166 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:12,349 that would give Rain Man 167 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:15,269 the authenticity it would ultimately become famous for. 168 00:07:15,352 --> 00:07:17,813 [Gail] And I went to some experts. 169 00:07:17,896 --> 00:07:19,690 And that's when they immediately said 170 00:07:19,773 --> 00:07:23,652 in that script, Raymond has some qualities 171 00:07:23,735 --> 00:07:25,863 where he's developmentally disabled 172 00:07:25,946 --> 00:07:29,116 and some where he could be autistic. 173 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:30,576 And you can't have both. 174 00:07:30,659 --> 00:07:32,452 Director Martin Brest, 175 00:07:32,536 --> 00:07:35,038 fresh off this action-comedy blockbuster... 176 00:07:35,122 --> 00:07:36,790 You don't mind if I ask around a little bit, do you? 177 00:07:36,874 --> 00:07:39,334 Don't do a damn thing. Stay out of this. 178 00:07:39,418 --> 00:07:42,087 ...was attached, and he brought in a new writer. 179 00:07:42,171 --> 00:07:43,338 Ron Bass. 180 00:07:43,422 --> 00:07:45,340 Working with Gail's research 181 00:07:45,424 --> 00:07:48,677 Ron Bass made one very important change. 182 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,345 He made him autistic. 183 00:07:50,429 --> 00:07:51,930 He's artistic? 184 00:07:52,014 --> 00:07:53,515 - No, he is autistic. - 185 00:07:53,599 --> 00:07:56,310 You know, so it wasn't where he's developmentally disabled. 186 00:07:56,393 --> 00:07:59,938 Ron was putting in more specific things. 187 00:08:00,022 --> 00:08:01,607 Because now it was autism. 188 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:03,358 A change that would not only give Hoffman 189 00:08:03,442 --> 00:08:05,402 more to sink his teeth into, 190 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:08,363 but would make Tom's role more complex. 191 00:08:08,447 --> 00:08:10,115 I like having you for my brother. 192 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:11,533 I'm an excellent driver. 193 00:08:11,617 --> 00:08:13,535 Rain Man was gaining momentum 194 00:08:13,619 --> 00:08:15,454 and preproduction got rolling. 195 00:08:15,537 --> 00:08:16,663 I had received a phone call, 196 00:08:16,747 --> 00:08:18,999 basically checking out my availability. 197 00:08:19,082 --> 00:08:20,292 I had him send me a script. 198 00:08:21,793 --> 00:08:23,962 And we went back in the next day 199 00:08:24,046 --> 00:08:27,216 to say, "Yeah, I like this. Oh, we can talk." 200 00:08:27,299 --> 00:08:28,550 Never heard from him again. 201 00:08:28,634 --> 00:08:30,010 Well, there's a reason for that. 202 00:08:30,093 --> 00:08:31,970 But it's a bit of a prickly subject. 203 00:08:32,054 --> 00:08:33,931 [Michael] Martin Brest is a prickly man. 204 00:08:34,014 --> 00:08:35,349 And Dustin can be prickly, 205 00:08:35,432 --> 00:08:37,309 so they probably weren't the best match. 206 00:08:37,392 --> 00:08:40,020 He and Dustin had creative differences. 207 00:08:40,102 --> 00:08:41,230 So, he he was gone. 208 00:08:41,313 --> 00:08:43,023 About two or three months went by 209 00:08:43,106 --> 00:08:45,526 and then Spielberg was going to do it. 210 00:08:45,609 --> 00:08:48,445 There was no bigger or more experienced name, 211 00:08:48,529 --> 00:08:50,530 to helm such a tricky project. 212 00:08:50,614 --> 00:08:54,993 Spielberg, you know, worked with the Ron Bass script. 213 00:08:55,077 --> 00:08:57,162 But Hollywood's biggest director was picturing 214 00:08:57,246 --> 00:09:00,916 something more barnstorming than Morrow's original idea. 215 00:09:00,999 --> 00:09:04,253 In that script, there's one where they're being chased 216 00:09:04,336 --> 00:09:07,840 and they get into a barn and they're hiding out. 217 00:09:07,923 --> 00:09:11,385 And Raymond has to build a mini bike 218 00:09:11,468 --> 00:09:15,013 that they escape on out of spare parts in the barn. 219 00:09:15,097 --> 00:09:18,058 Could you imagine Dustin Hoffman riding off on a mini bike? 220 00:09:18,141 --> 00:09:19,726 I'm an excellent driver. 221 00:09:19,809 --> 00:09:22,396 Spielberg's vision wasn't the deal breaker. 222 00:09:22,479 --> 00:09:25,107 Hoffman had committed to a character trait for Raymond 223 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:27,484 involving averting eye contact, 224 00:09:27,568 --> 00:09:29,361 including with Tom's character. 225 00:09:29,444 --> 00:09:30,612 When Dustin told him 226 00:09:30,696 --> 00:09:33,282 he was never going to look Tom in the eye, 227 00:09:34,199 --> 00:09:35,826 Spielberg wasn't going to do it. 228 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:37,410 - What you looking at? - I don't know. 229 00:09:37,494 --> 00:09:39,997 And on this issue, Spielberg and Dustin Hoffman 230 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,374 truly couldn't see eye to eye. 231 00:09:42,457 --> 00:09:44,376 So he was gone. 232 00:09:44,458 --> 00:09:45,961 The next cab off the rank 233 00:09:46,044 --> 00:09:48,630 was a Hollywood veteran and Hoffman ally. 234 00:09:48,714 --> 00:09:51,383 He had gotten in touch with Sydney Pollack 235 00:09:51,466 --> 00:09:53,385 because they had doneTootsie together. 236 00:09:53,468 --> 00:09:55,761 Nobody will hire you. 237 00:09:55,846 --> 00:09:58,056 And I knew Sydney very well 238 00:09:58,140 --> 00:10:00,517 because I did a lot of research on Out of Africa, 239 00:10:00,601 --> 00:10:02,436 so I moved into his offices. 240 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:06,106 That's when I officially got associate producer. 241 00:10:06,190 --> 00:10:07,607 Gail was locked in, 242 00:10:07,691 --> 00:10:09,526 but Pollack still needed a producer. 243 00:10:09,610 --> 00:10:12,070 I received a phone call from Sydney Pollack. 244 00:10:12,154 --> 00:10:14,698 He told me that he had this project, called Rain Man. 245 00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:18,702 And I didn't dare say... 246 00:10:18,785 --> 00:10:19,953 "Gee, I know about that." 247 00:10:20,037 --> 00:10:21,455 Also receiving a call 248 00:10:21,538 --> 00:10:23,916 was experienced DP John Seale. 249 00:10:23,999 --> 00:10:28,712 I was asked to go in to meet Sydney Pollack. 250 00:10:28,795 --> 00:10:31,423 It was a wonderful meeting, I must say. 251 00:10:31,506 --> 00:10:34,009 He's talking to me about the film and told me 252 00:10:34,092 --> 00:10:35,636 how he was going to make the movie, 253 00:10:35,719 --> 00:10:36,845 why he was going to 254 00:10:36,929 --> 00:10:38,847 change the script to do this and this. 255 00:10:38,931 --> 00:10:41,433 He wanted to put humor in there. 256 00:10:41,517 --> 00:10:43,184 [Marie] Sydney Pollack wanted it to be 257 00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:46,605 like Hell's Angels coming along, and... 258 00:10:46,688 --> 00:10:49,066 We were seven weeks out from shooting 259 00:10:49,149 --> 00:10:51,068 and he called me in 260 00:10:51,151 --> 00:10:53,862 and said, "I'm not doing it." 261 00:10:53,946 --> 00:10:55,864 And he said he was nervous 262 00:10:55,948 --> 00:10:57,866 about putting humor in the script. 263 00:10:57,950 --> 00:11:00,869 If you have those three directors who all drop out, 264 00:11:00,953 --> 00:11:02,162 that movie is gone. 265 00:11:05,499 --> 00:11:07,793 Sensing a case of three strikes and out... 266 00:11:07,876 --> 00:11:09,461 That movie's gone. 267 00:11:09,545 --> 00:11:12,422 Dustin Hoffman took matters into his own hands. 268 00:11:12,506 --> 00:11:15,342 Dustin ran into Barry Levinson and said, 269 00:11:15,425 --> 00:11:17,928 "Do me a favor and call Sydney Pollack. 270 00:11:18,011 --> 00:11:19,096 He is having questions. 271 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:21,348 Maybe you could, like, calm him down." 272 00:11:21,431 --> 00:11:22,975 But here's the thing. 273 00:11:23,058 --> 00:11:25,936 Levinson was in need of a new project himself. 274 00:11:26,019 --> 00:11:27,271 After his smash hit... 275 00:11:27,354 --> 00:11:30,941 Good morning, Vietnam! 276 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:33,151 Barry's wife heard him on the phone. 277 00:11:33,235 --> 00:11:34,611 She said, 278 00:11:34,695 --> 00:11:37,197 "This sounds like something you would like to do. 279 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,574 Why don't you do it?" 280 00:11:38,657 --> 00:11:40,576 And with that, the Rain Man project 281 00:11:40,659 --> 00:11:42,870 was soon on to its fourth director, 282 00:11:42,953 --> 00:11:46,623 as Levinson signed on. And others re-signed on. 283 00:11:46,707 --> 00:11:48,083 Larry rang me and said, 284 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:51,003 "Oh, you're on it. I'd like you to continue on it. 285 00:11:51,086 --> 00:11:52,588 Would you like to be on it?" 286 00:11:52,671 --> 00:11:54,214 And I said "Yeah, I'd love to." 287 00:11:54,298 --> 00:11:56,717 And they asked me if I would stay on. 288 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,010 I did, and the rest is history. 289 00:11:58,093 --> 00:11:59,636 As a Barry Levinson production, 290 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,554 with the crack team in place, 291 00:12:01,638 --> 00:12:03,891 the next Tom Cruise picture was set. 292 00:12:03,974 --> 00:12:05,392 It was moving pretty quickly. 293 00:12:05,475 --> 00:12:07,394 But he wanted it a little bit different. 294 00:12:07,477 --> 00:12:10,522 And so, too, Ron Bass was rehired 295 00:12:10,606 --> 00:12:13,567 to implement Barry's substantial script changes. 296 00:12:13,650 --> 00:12:16,278 He only got to work with Ron Bass for ten days 297 00:12:16,361 --> 00:12:18,363 because of the writers' strike. 298 00:12:18,447 --> 00:12:20,574 [Gerald] We had a very short period of time to prepare it, to get it going, 299 00:12:20,657 --> 00:12:22,367 before the strike that was threatening us. 300 00:12:22,451 --> 00:12:25,078 And the threat was very real. 301 00:12:25,162 --> 00:12:26,872 You had to have a shooting script. 302 00:12:26,955 --> 00:12:29,041 The film would have had to have been postponed. 303 00:12:29,124 --> 00:12:30,751 But how many postponements 304 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:32,085 could Rain Man endure? 305 00:12:32,169 --> 00:12:34,463 I want a firm date and I want it early. 306 00:12:34,546 --> 00:12:35,923 And for Tom's sake, 307 00:12:36,006 --> 00:12:38,383 let's hope Ron Bass would have enough time. 308 00:12:38,467 --> 00:12:39,468 The truth is 309 00:12:39,551 --> 00:12:41,136 Dustin Hoffman's doing the same thing 310 00:12:41,220 --> 00:12:42,346 throughout the entire film. 311 00:12:42,429 --> 00:12:44,431 It is a one note performance. 312 00:12:44,515 --> 00:12:46,016 Which meant the script work needed 313 00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:48,184 was less about Hoffman's character, 314 00:12:48,268 --> 00:12:49,770 and more about Tom's. 315 00:12:49,852 --> 00:12:51,313 His character needed to change. 316 00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:52,564 He's a prick 317 00:12:52,648 --> 00:12:54,650 and then he's a hero that loves his brother. 318 00:12:54,732 --> 00:12:56,485 But it wasn't all on Ron Bass 319 00:12:56,568 --> 00:12:58,320 to flesh out the intricate details 320 00:12:58,403 --> 00:13:00,655 of this delicate relationship. 321 00:13:00,739 --> 00:13:02,366 I like having you for my big brother. 322 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:04,576 Tom and Dustin dug deep as well. 323 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:05,910 [Marie] They were rehearsing. 324 00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:08,205 They switched roles. 325 00:13:08,288 --> 00:13:11,708 Because Dustin was saying, "It's got to be so hard" 326 00:13:11,792 --> 00:13:13,877 because he's got his head down all the time. 327 00:13:13,961 --> 00:13:16,880 So there's no eye contact with Tom. 328 00:13:16,964 --> 00:13:18,006 So they switched roles. 329 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:20,342 So Dustin would know what he felt like. 330 00:13:20,425 --> 00:13:21,426 Did you read all this? 331 00:13:21,510 --> 00:13:22,803 - I don't know. - You don't know? 332 00:13:22,886 --> 00:13:24,679 Levinson, Tom and Dustin 333 00:13:24,763 --> 00:13:26,390 also needed to find the very thing 334 00:13:26,473 --> 00:13:29,559 that had already scared off almost everyone else. 335 00:13:29,643 --> 00:13:31,895 - You made a joke, Ray. - Yeah. 336 00:13:31,979 --> 00:13:35,107 Barry wanted to put humor in there. 337 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:36,567 - Buckle up. - Uh-oh! 338 00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:38,360 Put your, put your shorts on the highway. 339 00:13:38,443 --> 00:13:41,947 A lot would come out in rehearsals. 340 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:44,533 [Michael] So, they had to sort of make it all work, 341 00:13:44,616 --> 00:13:46,034 which I think lent 342 00:13:46,118 --> 00:13:49,413 to the real sense of reality and spontaneity 343 00:13:49,496 --> 00:13:52,541 you have in the film between Raymond and his brother. 344 00:13:52,624 --> 00:13:54,668 - Qantas? - Qantas never crashed. 345 00:13:54,751 --> 00:13:56,628 It was Barry's line, he said 346 00:13:56,712 --> 00:13:58,172 "Qantas never crashed." 347 00:13:58,255 --> 00:13:59,756 And then he hollered Michael looked that up. 348 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,634 So that was definitely Barry, Barry Levinson. 349 00:14:02,718 --> 00:14:04,303 And Gail's extensive research 350 00:14:04,386 --> 00:14:07,431 provided a crucial spark for character development. 351 00:14:07,514 --> 00:14:08,974 [Gail] I had made up a tape 352 00:14:09,057 --> 00:14:12,352 of all these famous baseball things, 353 00:14:12,436 --> 00:14:14,521 and in it was Abbott and Costello, 354 00:14:14,605 --> 00:14:15,856 "Who's on First." 355 00:14:15,939 --> 00:14:18,025 - I mean the fellow's name on first base! - Who? 356 00:14:18,107 --> 00:14:20,027 - The fellow playing first base for Saint Louis. - Who? 357 00:14:20,110 --> 00:14:22,446 - The guy on first base. - Who is on first? 358 00:14:22,529 --> 00:14:24,114 What are you asking me for? 359 00:14:24,198 --> 00:14:25,407 And when I was listening to that, 360 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:26,742 I walked into Barry's office 361 00:14:26,825 --> 00:14:29,119 and said, "Listen to this. This is really funny." 362 00:14:29,203 --> 00:14:30,537 Not just funny. 363 00:14:30,621 --> 00:14:32,247 But a perfect device for Hoffman's 364 00:14:32,331 --> 00:14:34,208 baseball obsessed character. 365 00:14:34,291 --> 00:14:36,293 You know, that's when Dustin is doing 366 00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:38,504 his mantra of Who's on First. 367 00:14:38,587 --> 00:14:39,922 Who? What are you asking for? 368 00:14:40,005 --> 00:14:41,298 [Tom] What is this? Why is he doing that? 369 00:14:41,381 --> 00:14:42,758 - Who's on first? - Whenever he gets nervous, 370 00:14:42,841 --> 00:14:44,176 he does "Who's on First?" 371 00:14:44,259 --> 00:14:46,178 With just three days before the strike, 372 00:14:46,261 --> 00:14:49,056 writer Ron Bass was consigned to his desk 373 00:14:49,139 --> 00:14:52,559 to absorb a plethora of improvised ideas. 374 00:14:52,643 --> 00:14:55,562 You know, Ron beat the strike, you know... 375 00:14:55,646 --> 00:14:58,023 That's, that's rare. That's hard to do. 376 00:14:58,106 --> 00:15:00,108 Ron Bass got the script in 377 00:15:00,192 --> 00:15:02,986 the day before the strike was official. 378 00:15:03,070 --> 00:15:04,655 With a shooting script in hand 379 00:15:04,738 --> 00:15:06,698 and two big stars attached, 380 00:15:06,782 --> 00:15:08,867 all Barry Levinson needed to do now 381 00:15:08,951 --> 00:15:11,078 was cast the rest of the movie. 382 00:15:11,161 --> 00:15:12,996 Roles like Susanna. 383 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,415 It was very important for Barry to have 384 00:15:15,499 --> 00:15:19,711 someone who could be sexy and the kind of girl 385 00:15:19,795 --> 00:15:22,130 that Tom Cruise's character would go for. 386 00:15:22,214 --> 00:15:24,132 He wanted a foreign actress. 387 00:15:24,216 --> 00:15:25,467 Because her foreignness would add 388 00:15:25,551 --> 00:15:27,302 another element to a story 389 00:15:27,386 --> 00:15:29,388 that was all about understanding. 390 00:15:29,471 --> 00:15:31,223 I was looking for you. 391 00:15:31,306 --> 00:15:33,141 She hardly spoke any English. 392 00:15:33,225 --> 00:15:34,434 You don't listen to me. 393 00:15:34,518 --> 00:15:36,061 And once, I just said, 394 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:38,647 "Barry, should she be a little more explicit with the words?" 395 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:40,816 And he looked at me and he said, "No, I love it, 396 00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:43,068 because I can't understand it either, 397 00:15:43,151 --> 00:15:44,862 and neither can Tom." 398 00:15:44,945 --> 00:15:46,989 - If you don't listen to me, this is... - What are you talking about? 399 00:15:47,072 --> 00:15:48,949 Nobody could understand it. 400 00:15:49,032 --> 00:15:50,701 Valeria fit right in. 401 00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:53,996 But Levinson still hadn't cast the role of Raymond's doctor. 402 00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:55,539 Gena Rowlands. 403 00:15:55,622 --> 00:15:58,876 That's who they originally wanted to cast as Dr. Lenz. 404 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:04,256 But she wanted billing equal to Tom and Dustin. 405 00:16:04,339 --> 00:16:05,799 That was a deal breaker. 406 00:16:05,883 --> 00:16:07,551 And with the doctor out, 407 00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:09,970 they had a bit of an emergency on their hands. 408 00:16:10,053 --> 00:16:12,222 We're about three days away from filming. 409 00:16:12,306 --> 00:16:14,641 Dustin said, "Barry, this is the guy 410 00:16:14,725 --> 00:16:18,270 that you should just hire him as Dr. Lenz." 411 00:16:18,353 --> 00:16:21,023 And Dustin was pointing... at Jerry. 412 00:16:21,106 --> 00:16:23,233 I thought it was a joke. I'm not an actor. 413 00:16:23,317 --> 00:16:25,736 Dustin said. "Come on, just humor me. 414 00:16:25,819 --> 00:16:27,613 Just read a couple of lines with me." 415 00:16:27,696 --> 00:16:30,991 So I did. The next day, Saturday, 416 00:16:31,074 --> 00:16:32,868 in my office, knock on the door, 417 00:16:32,951 --> 00:16:35,078 I look up and the door's filled with all these people. 418 00:16:35,621 --> 00:16:36,705 Levinson said, 419 00:16:37,414 --> 00:16:38,665 "Welcome to Rain Man, 420 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:40,792 Dr. Lenz." 421 00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:43,378 Dr. Lenz was the original character name, 422 00:16:43,462 --> 00:16:46,173 which was a problem for Gerry, according to Barry. 423 00:16:46,256 --> 00:16:47,799 And he went "No, you're not Jewish enough." 424 00:16:49,134 --> 00:16:50,928 He said "I'll come up with a name." 425 00:16:51,011 --> 00:16:52,513 And so, thanks to Gerry, 426 00:16:52,596 --> 00:16:54,389 Dr. Lenz in the original script, 427 00:16:54,473 --> 00:16:56,475 turned into Dr. Bruner. 428 00:16:56,558 --> 00:16:58,810 And Dr. Bruner turned into Gerry. 429 00:16:58,894 --> 00:17:01,438 I took on this burden out of loyalty to your father. 430 00:17:01,522 --> 00:17:03,315 To make the story of a journey, 431 00:17:03,398 --> 00:17:05,609 a journey worth taking for the audience, 432 00:17:05,692 --> 00:17:08,654 Levinson had one simple, if novel, idea. 433 00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:12,991 It was a road, road trip from Cleveland, Ohio, to LA. 434 00:17:15,244 --> 00:17:16,619 And while the direction of the road 435 00:17:16,703 --> 00:17:18,580 would define the direction of the movie... 436 00:17:18,664 --> 00:17:20,582 To shoot it in narrative order... 437 00:17:20,666 --> 00:17:23,167 Rain Man would be a voyage of discovery. 438 00:17:23,252 --> 00:17:24,253 And that was important 439 00:17:24,336 --> 00:17:26,213 because just days from shooting, 440 00:17:26,296 --> 00:17:29,299 Dustin Hoffman revealed he hadn't traveled far. 441 00:17:29,383 --> 00:17:31,426 [John] Dustin said to me a week before shooting. 442 00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:33,011 "You know, I haven't found Raymond." 443 00:17:33,095 --> 00:17:35,513 You didn't feel it was authentic. 444 00:17:35,597 --> 00:17:36,723 It didn't feel right. 445 00:17:36,807 --> 00:17:38,100 And I said, "Well, you better hurry up. 446 00:17:38,183 --> 00:17:39,726 We've only got five days left. 447 00:17:39,810 --> 00:17:40,811 And we're shooting." 448 00:17:44,147 --> 00:17:46,316 A large part of filming would be on the road. 449 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,363 But first shooting on Rain Man began in LA in May of 1988. 450 00:17:51,446 --> 00:17:53,448 The first day of shooting was down in San Pedro. 451 00:17:53,532 --> 00:17:54,616 And even though they had 452 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:56,159 their completed shooting script, 453 00:17:56,243 --> 00:17:57,786 before they even began, 454 00:17:57,869 --> 00:18:00,247 Barry wasn't so sure about the ending. 455 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:01,999 But as for the very beginning, 456 00:18:02,082 --> 00:18:04,167 well, that was up in the air, too. 457 00:18:05,002 --> 00:18:06,128 But in a different way. 458 00:18:06,211 --> 00:18:07,963 I want to open this film 459 00:18:08,046 --> 00:18:11,425 with a car flying across the LA skyline. 460 00:18:11,508 --> 00:18:13,677 And then there's the song that went with it. 461 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:19,474 It was one of Hans' first big scores. 462 00:18:19,558 --> 00:18:22,895 They spent a lot of time with that "Iko Iko" song, 463 00:18:22,978 --> 00:18:25,939 that really spoke to both Hans and Barry. 464 00:18:26,023 --> 00:18:27,816 They weren't just going to do a John Williams score, 465 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:29,943 you needed songs that sold records. 466 00:18:30,027 --> 00:18:32,821 While the soundtrack was all about selling records, 467 00:18:32,905 --> 00:18:36,157 in Ohio, Tom was drawing crowds. 468 00:18:36,241 --> 00:18:38,744 We would know Tom arrived in the morning 469 00:18:38,827 --> 00:18:42,414 when all this cheering would go up. 470 00:18:42,497 --> 00:18:45,292 And while still bathing in the glow of Top Gun, 471 00:18:45,375 --> 00:18:48,170 Tom recognized the Rain Man set was no place 472 00:18:48,253 --> 00:18:49,671 for a Hollywood show pony. 473 00:18:49,755 --> 00:18:53,383 Tom was so giving in the way that he had no... 474 00:18:53,467 --> 00:18:55,260 he had no attitude. 475 00:18:55,344 --> 00:18:58,096 No, he felt he would learn a lot 476 00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:00,974 and he would be better in the role, 477 00:19:01,058 --> 00:19:04,770 you know, by not having any attitude at all. 478 00:19:04,853 --> 00:19:06,939 The authenticity demanded by Levinson 479 00:19:07,022 --> 00:19:08,941 ran right through casting, 480 00:19:09,023 --> 00:19:11,234 and right across America. 481 00:19:11,318 --> 00:19:14,029 Barry wanted me to cast it in locally. 482 00:19:14,112 --> 00:19:16,323 I mean, these were just one liners. 483 00:19:16,406 --> 00:19:18,116 So, a couple of lines. 484 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,329 So it wasn't worth bringing actors from LA or New York. 485 00:19:24,790 --> 00:19:27,000 Hey, dipshit, move it! Hey! 486 00:19:27,084 --> 00:19:29,962 Well, he just likes for real people. 487 00:19:30,045 --> 00:19:31,547 With real disabilities. 488 00:19:31,630 --> 00:19:34,590 [Marie] We filmed in Cincinnati at the home. 489 00:19:34,675 --> 00:19:36,093 It was a convent. 490 00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:38,303 I cast 50 people. 491 00:19:39,096 --> 00:19:40,347 They were so loving. 492 00:19:40,430 --> 00:19:42,474 Excuse me, please. What's on TV? 493 00:19:42,558 --> 00:19:44,393 Changed my life, really. 494 00:19:44,476 --> 00:19:46,103 Marie's casting lent Rain Man 495 00:19:46,186 --> 00:19:48,647 a distinctly un-Hollywood authenticity, 496 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:52,609 which led to an unintended consequence for Dustin Hoffman. 497 00:19:52,693 --> 00:19:56,405 Dustin said: "You know, I don't feel authentic. 498 00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:59,449 I don't feel like I'm, I've got that character." 499 00:19:59,532 --> 00:20:01,994 As Dustin searched for his character, 500 00:20:02,077 --> 00:20:03,328 another actor... 501 00:20:03,412 --> 00:20:05,455 - I'm not an actor. - Okay, cast member, 502 00:20:05,539 --> 00:20:06,874 struggled with his. 503 00:20:06,957 --> 00:20:09,667 Gerry was scared to death. 504 00:20:09,751 --> 00:20:11,044 I was beside myself... 505 00:20:11,128 --> 00:20:12,546 ...for me to get in front of people, 506 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:15,174 was never my thing. 507 00:20:16,258 --> 00:20:18,427 And yet working alongside Tom. 508 00:20:18,510 --> 00:20:19,511 Good luck. 509 00:20:19,595 --> 00:20:21,138 Look, this isn't a close call, son. 510 00:20:21,221 --> 00:20:22,222 It's a formality. 511 00:20:22,306 --> 00:20:23,682 Some scenes were easy. 512 00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:24,892 We were standing up in a hall, 513 00:20:24,975 --> 00:20:26,894 where we're talking with Tom Cruise. 514 00:20:26,977 --> 00:20:31,732 Well, it's the way he... acts, sleeps, eats. 515 00:20:31,815 --> 00:20:32,983 And we rehearsed that once. 516 00:20:34,484 --> 00:20:36,820 He shot it, printed it. That was it. 517 00:20:36,904 --> 00:20:39,656 While others were more elusive. 518 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:42,242 [Gerald] A scene where I'm out on the outside steps. 519 00:20:42,326 --> 00:20:43,827 Tom is down... 520 00:20:43,911 --> 00:20:46,955 ...beside the car, at the curb, 521 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:48,874 and he says something to effect. 522 00:20:49,541 --> 00:20:50,584 Bruner... 523 00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:52,294 [Gerald] Who is that guy? 524 00:20:52,377 --> 00:20:53,754 Raymond is your brother. 525 00:20:53,837 --> 00:20:55,714 [Gerald] And we did that scene seven, eight times. 526 00:20:55,797 --> 00:20:56,840 I wasn't saying it right. 527 00:20:56,924 --> 00:20:58,175 He's your brother. 528 00:20:58,258 --> 00:21:00,344 And I'll be damned if I could say it any different. 529 00:21:00,427 --> 00:21:01,845 He was shaking. 530 00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:05,516 Like I said, I'm not an actor. 531 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:07,392 But searching for the performance on camera 532 00:21:07,476 --> 00:21:09,061 was becoming part of the process, 533 00:21:09,144 --> 00:21:12,064 as both Tom and Dustin reached for their characters. 534 00:21:12,147 --> 00:21:14,398 [John] We did a lot of takes, 30-odd takes, 535 00:21:14,483 --> 00:21:15,901 almost for every shot. 536 00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:18,529 When you're on a loose, what-if system, 537 00:21:18,612 --> 00:21:20,906 like we were shooting. 538 00:21:20,989 --> 00:21:22,157 And if you're wondering, 539 00:21:22,241 --> 00:21:25,244 the what-if system is just as it sounds. 540 00:21:25,327 --> 00:21:26,869 What if we did it here? What if we did it there? 541 00:21:26,954 --> 00:21:28,747 What if we? What if we? 542 00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:30,040 There was a what-if film. 543 00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:31,250 - - [Tom sighs] 544 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,126 [John] What if he runs out into the field? 545 00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:35,045 Oh, okay, we can run him out into the field. 546 00:21:35,128 --> 00:21:36,296 So that's what would happen. 547 00:21:36,380 --> 00:21:39,424 We, we just let him run out into the field. 548 00:21:39,508 --> 00:21:42,386 Son of a bitch! 549 00:21:42,469 --> 00:21:44,137 The what if approach to shooting 550 00:21:44,221 --> 00:21:47,057 also allowed the actors to ask the same question. 551 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:49,893 They, too, were able to bring to it 552 00:21:49,977 --> 00:21:52,980 this, this wonderful, uh, feeling 553 00:21:53,063 --> 00:21:55,357 that includes a bit of the dialog, reactions 554 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,943 or to the other person's lines. 555 00:21:58,026 --> 00:21:59,611 And because of the strike, 556 00:21:59,695 --> 00:22:01,446 script revisions weren't allowed. 557 00:22:01,530 --> 00:22:03,407 So instead, every morning you know, 558 00:22:03,490 --> 00:22:05,826 pretty much it was like finding the scene. 559 00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:07,494 So we captured moments 560 00:22:07,578 --> 00:22:09,913 that weren't necessarily scripted. 561 00:22:09,997 --> 00:22:12,833 And so their characters evolved in ways 562 00:22:12,916 --> 00:22:17,462 that frankly didn't think that Tom Cruise was capable of. 563 00:22:17,546 --> 00:22:20,799 And I know it was because of Dustin's guidance. 564 00:22:20,883 --> 00:22:22,009 I really believe that. 565 00:22:22,092 --> 00:22:23,218 For me, it was always like 566 00:22:23,302 --> 00:22:25,095 you never know what's going to happen next. 567 00:22:25,179 --> 00:22:26,763 Neither did Tom and Dustin, 568 00:22:26,847 --> 00:22:29,349 and there was so much improvisation happening, 569 00:22:29,433 --> 00:22:30,684 you could smell it. 570 00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:32,186 [Gail] And he wants to fart. 571 00:22:32,269 --> 00:22:34,146 It's a fart in the telephone box. 572 00:22:35,355 --> 00:22:36,773 - Did you fart, Ray? - Fart. 573 00:22:36,857 --> 00:22:37,983 - Did you fucking fart? - Fart. 574 00:22:38,066 --> 00:22:39,609 That wasn't in the script. 575 00:22:41,612 --> 00:22:42,654 But the what if system 576 00:22:42,738 --> 00:22:44,656 left John Seal asking 577 00:22:44,740 --> 00:22:46,491 what if the footage they were getting 578 00:22:46,575 --> 00:22:48,869 would create problems later? 579 00:22:48,952 --> 00:22:51,121 When the sound department keeps saying 580 00:22:51,205 --> 00:22:53,080 "Don't overlap, don't overlap." 581 00:22:53,165 --> 00:22:56,376 You know, that, to me was a killer for the actors 582 00:22:56,460 --> 00:23:00,672 because they have to pause a performance 583 00:23:00,756 --> 00:23:04,760 and I kept thinking, "This is ridiculous," you know? 584 00:23:04,843 --> 00:23:06,512 But it wasn't until the matchstick scene 585 00:23:06,595 --> 00:23:09,306 when I thought, "We've got to do this two cameras." 586 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:12,559 Using two cameras wasn't conventional in Hollywood then. 587 00:23:12,643 --> 00:23:14,436 But Barry and John's shooting style 588 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,146 of embracing the what ifs, 589 00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:19,650 allowed the actors to maintain uninterrupted performances. 590 00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:21,859 - Uh-oh! - The matchstick scene... 591 00:23:21,944 --> 00:23:23,570 Toothpicks. 592 00:23:23,654 --> 00:23:25,821 ...or rather the toothpick scene was unscripted. 593 00:23:25,906 --> 00:23:27,407 At the end of the scene, Barry felt like 594 00:23:27,491 --> 00:23:30,077 "Wait, there's one more thing. What should we do?" 595 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,121 The idea had come from Gail's research. 596 00:23:33,205 --> 00:23:34,915 And I said, "Well, remember the thing 597 00:23:34,998 --> 00:23:38,794 in Oliver Sacks book, about matches?" 598 00:23:38,877 --> 00:23:39,878 Toothpicks. 599 00:23:39,962 --> 00:23:40,963 Fell on the floor 600 00:23:41,046 --> 00:23:44,215 and the savant knew exactly how many. 601 00:23:45,008 --> 00:23:47,302 246 total. Change. 602 00:23:47,386 --> 00:23:49,429 So we did the toothpicks. 603 00:23:49,513 --> 00:23:50,763 Sorry about the toothpicks. 604 00:23:50,848 --> 00:23:52,891 And so this scene shot on the fly. 605 00:23:52,975 --> 00:23:54,977 I put two cameras on straight away. 606 00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:58,438 Forced a change in John Seal's shooting style forever. 607 00:23:58,522 --> 00:24:01,608 From that moment on, I've never not shot multiple cameras. 608 00:24:01,692 --> 00:24:03,944 Tom found the process so freeing 609 00:24:04,027 --> 00:24:06,446 he struggled to control his creative urges. 610 00:24:06,530 --> 00:24:10,993 Tom would push himself on set, saying, "Do you want to keep doing it over and over?" 611 00:24:11,076 --> 00:24:12,869 And that was actually when 612 00:24:12,953 --> 00:24:15,539 Dustin said to him "Enough. 613 00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:18,125 It's good, it's good. It's right." You know. 614 00:24:18,208 --> 00:24:20,460 As the story in production moved west 615 00:24:20,544 --> 00:24:21,962 all the way to Vegas, 616 00:24:22,045 --> 00:24:24,339 characters were changing shape so fast, 617 00:24:24,423 --> 00:24:26,215 even the actors weren't being told. 618 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:27,843 I was in disbelief. 619 00:24:28,635 --> 00:24:30,053 I really was. I got a call. 620 00:24:30,137 --> 00:24:31,722 "Uh, We want a virgin. 621 00:24:31,805 --> 00:24:33,807 We want her to be about 18 years old." 622 00:24:33,891 --> 00:24:37,603 I was about 30, maybe a little older. 623 00:24:37,686 --> 00:24:40,355 And I thought, "Okay, I can do that." 624 00:24:40,439 --> 00:24:43,984 I arrived at the actual Caesar's Palace 625 00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:45,903 costume fitting. 626 00:24:45,986 --> 00:24:47,905 Which is when Barry Levinson wondered 627 00:24:47,988 --> 00:24:52,326 "What if the character of Iris was someone else entirely?" 628 00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:55,913 All of a sudden, he's putting me in this black dress 629 00:24:55,996 --> 00:24:57,580 with high heels, 630 00:24:57,664 --> 00:25:01,042 and we just never mentioned the little virgin. 631 00:25:01,126 --> 00:25:03,962 Because Levinson felt Dustin Hoffman's Raymond 632 00:25:04,046 --> 00:25:08,467 had evolved to the point where he was ready to meet a different kind of challenge. 633 00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:10,552 You're looking for a date? 634 00:25:10,636 --> 00:25:15,015 And lo and behold, I'm a working whore in Vegas. 635 00:25:15,098 --> 00:25:17,684 Had the what if system gone too far? 636 00:25:19,144 --> 00:25:20,270 Arriving on set, 637 00:25:20,354 --> 00:25:22,940 Lucinda Jenney experienced firsthand 638 00:25:23,023 --> 00:25:25,567 Barry Levinson's what if system. 639 00:25:25,651 --> 00:25:27,109 It was wonderful. 640 00:25:27,194 --> 00:25:28,570 He doesn't have any money, honey. 641 00:25:30,656 --> 00:25:32,991 Well, that's all right, sugar, because we are just talking. 642 00:25:33,075 --> 00:25:35,077 [Lucinda] Maybe they were experimenting themselves 643 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,038 with how this character would serve, 644 00:25:38,121 --> 00:25:41,542 where he was at, at this time in the story. 645 00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:42,960 Whoa! 646 00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:44,461 I'm out of here. 647 00:25:45,754 --> 00:25:47,172 Of course. What time is the date? 648 00:25:47,256 --> 00:25:49,174 - Later. - What time is the date? 649 00:25:49,258 --> 00:25:51,009 - [Lucinda] It's 10 o'clock! - I have to be in bed at 11. 650 00:25:51,093 --> 00:25:52,469 Lights out at 11. 651 00:25:52,553 --> 00:25:53,846 For Lucinda, 652 00:25:53,929 --> 00:25:56,932 her role, even her new one, was the easy part. 653 00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:58,976 It was trailing in Tom Cruise's wake 654 00:25:59,059 --> 00:26:00,352 that was more difficult. 655 00:26:00,435 --> 00:26:02,771 Word got out that Tom was here. 656 00:26:02,855 --> 00:26:06,900 The girls were crying out, in desire, really. 657 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,446 And I was totally overwhelmed. 658 00:26:11,530 --> 00:26:14,282 And I guess I must have been shaking. 659 00:26:14,366 --> 00:26:18,036 And he put his hand on my back and he said, "Are you okay?" 660 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,164 And I said, "Well, uh, no." 661 00:26:21,248 --> 00:26:23,458 And he started laughing and he said, 662 00:26:23,542 --> 00:26:27,087 "You know, I just don't feel it like that anymore." 663 00:26:27,171 --> 00:26:29,006 As the road trip continued westward, 664 00:26:29,089 --> 00:26:31,215 nearing its completion in LA, 665 00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,635 Levinson knew where his movie would end, 666 00:26:33,719 --> 00:26:35,220 but not yet how. 667 00:26:35,304 --> 00:26:38,515 The ending was always a big question. 668 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:40,809 They didn't know what was going to work. 669 00:26:40,893 --> 00:26:42,269 Brother took you to Las Vegas. 670 00:26:42,352 --> 00:26:46,106 At that point, Tom is wanting to become his guardian. 671 00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:48,692 So they, they have to see a psychologist. 672 00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:50,484 Why are you interfering? This is my family. 673 00:26:50,569 --> 00:26:52,696 - I'm not interfering. - This is my family. Do you understand that? 674 00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:54,364 And probably it was Dustin 675 00:26:54,448 --> 00:26:56,491 who said to Barry, "Why don't you do it?" 676 00:26:56,575 --> 00:26:58,243 - Well, if Gerry... - Acts. 677 00:26:58,994 --> 00:27:00,287 Not an actor. 678 00:27:00,369 --> 00:27:02,455 Maybe Barry could, too. 679 00:27:02,539 --> 00:27:05,417 And so Levinson would decide the ending of his movie, 680 00:27:05,501 --> 00:27:08,879 both as a director and as a character on screen. 681 00:27:08,962 --> 00:27:10,589 Do you want to stay with your brother Charlie 682 00:27:10,672 --> 00:27:12,590 - here in Los Angeles? - Yeah. 683 00:27:12,674 --> 00:27:15,093 - Or do you want to go back to Wallbrook? - Yeah. 684 00:27:15,177 --> 00:27:18,388 You know, was Tom going to let him go or not? 685 00:27:18,472 --> 00:27:21,683 And Barry really didn't want a sentimental ending. 686 00:27:21,767 --> 00:27:24,102 But that decision about what would happen 687 00:27:24,186 --> 00:27:26,522 was left until the very last minute. 688 00:27:26,605 --> 00:27:29,273 And Barry had it like the night before. 689 00:27:29,358 --> 00:27:31,026 And he decided "No." 690 00:27:31,109 --> 00:27:34,112 That is no to the happy Hollywood ending. 691 00:27:34,196 --> 00:27:36,031 How many days is that before we're gonna be together? 692 00:27:36,114 --> 00:27:38,242 Fourteen days from today. Today's Wednesday. 693 00:27:38,325 --> 00:27:41,453 - Hours? - Three hundred thirty six hours. 694 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,789 Mystifying. 695 00:27:43,872 --> 00:27:46,166 But this was not the end of the story for Dustin Hoffman 696 00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:48,877 and the character he had finally perfected. 697 00:27:48,961 --> 00:27:50,754 But he honed it on set. 698 00:27:50,838 --> 00:27:53,840 Having reached his final destination as an actor, 699 00:27:53,924 --> 00:27:56,426 - Dustin Hoffman proposed the ultimate... - Yeah. 700 00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:57,553 ...what if. 701 00:27:57,636 --> 00:27:59,596 He felt the intimate scenes 702 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,725 between him and Tom and the doctors weren't right. 703 00:28:03,809 --> 00:28:06,936 So they actually went back and re-shot that. 704 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:09,648 Only now did Dustin Hoffman decide... 705 00:28:09,731 --> 00:28:11,483 I have it. 706 00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:13,609 And soon we'd have it, too. 707 00:28:13,694 --> 00:28:16,905 Because after a trip across America, 708 00:28:16,989 --> 00:28:19,825 Rain Man was ready to come home to audiences, 709 00:28:19,907 --> 00:28:22,619 premiering in December of 1988. 710 00:28:22,703 --> 00:28:24,329 It was more than... 711 00:28:24,413 --> 00:28:26,707 ...you could ever imagine. It was great. 712 00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:28,250 Audiences and critics 713 00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:30,169 immediately agreed on one thing. 714 00:28:30,252 --> 00:28:33,964 I thought Dustin was brilliant, but he very often is. 715 00:28:34,047 --> 00:28:35,507 Hoffman's portrayal of Raymond 716 00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:37,801 seemed predestined for an Oscar. 717 00:28:37,885 --> 00:28:40,721 But the performance doing the emotional heavy lifting 718 00:28:40,804 --> 00:28:41,805 wasn't his. 719 00:28:41,889 --> 00:28:44,141 Remember reading reviews, saying, 720 00:28:44,224 --> 00:28:46,768 "Boy, the real actor in this is Tom Cruise." 721 00:28:46,852 --> 00:28:51,315 Tom took a character who was despicable 722 00:28:51,899 --> 00:28:52,983 when we meet him. 723 00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:54,193 You're using me! 724 00:28:54,276 --> 00:28:55,944 - You use everybody. - I'm using Raymond. 725 00:28:56,028 --> 00:28:57,738 Raymond, Raymond. Am I using you? 726 00:28:57,821 --> 00:28:58,989 Am I using you, Raymond? 727 00:28:59,072 --> 00:29:00,324 - [Hoffman] Yeah. - Shut up! 728 00:29:00,407 --> 00:29:02,910 He is answering a question from a half hour ago. 729 00:29:02,993 --> 00:29:06,538 And turned him into the person we were rooting for the most. 730 00:29:06,622 --> 00:29:08,790 An extraordinary performance. 731 00:29:08,874 --> 00:29:10,000 I made a connection. 732 00:29:10,083 --> 00:29:11,877 And it showed his range. 733 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,504 Tom had proved one thing. 734 00:29:13,587 --> 00:29:15,547 [Michael] This guy is more than a pretty face. 735 00:29:15,631 --> 00:29:17,007 He is an actor. 736 00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:18,717 - Rain Man, Mark Johnson producer. - 737 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,010 Rain Man was nominated 738 00:29:20,093 --> 00:29:21,512 for a slew of awards. 739 00:29:21,595 --> 00:29:23,472 And we were nominated for eight. 740 00:29:23,555 --> 00:29:25,015 Including cinematography. 741 00:29:25,098 --> 00:29:28,060 I was rung at 3:30 in the morning 742 00:29:28,143 --> 00:29:31,021 to say, "Hey, have you heard the news? 743 00:29:31,104 --> 00:29:33,982 You've been nominated for Rain Man." 744 00:29:34,066 --> 00:29:35,067 Which I couldn't believe. 745 00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:36,360 And for Tom Cruise 746 00:29:36,443 --> 00:29:38,195 and his extraordinary performance... 747 00:29:38,278 --> 00:29:39,613 He wasn't nominated. 748 00:29:39,696 --> 00:29:42,157 No best supporting actor nod for him. 749 00:29:42,241 --> 00:29:44,076 And accepting best actor... 750 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:45,619 And the Oscar goes 751 00:29:45,702 --> 00:29:48,455 - to Dustin Hoffman for Rain Man. - 752 00:29:48,539 --> 00:29:49,915 Dustin Hoffman paid tribute 753 00:29:49,998 --> 00:29:52,251 to the woman that had been with him from the start. 754 00:29:52,334 --> 00:29:53,669 Our associate producer, Gail Mutrux. 755 00:29:53,752 --> 00:29:55,504 So it was very nice. 756 00:29:55,587 --> 00:29:57,923 The movie went on to win three more Oscars, 757 00:29:58,006 --> 00:30:00,592 including best director and best picture. 758 00:30:00,676 --> 00:30:02,928 It was great to have been a part of that. 759 00:30:03,011 --> 00:30:04,429 Because it was a piece of Hollywood history. 760 00:30:07,182 --> 00:30:09,101 Well, maybe Tom would get another chance 761 00:30:09,184 --> 00:30:11,019 sooner than anyone expected 762 00:30:11,103 --> 00:30:13,021 because Oliver Stone was ready to roll 763 00:30:13,105 --> 00:30:14,606 on Born on the Fourth of July. 764 00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:17,192 And it was finally time for Tom 765 00:30:17,276 --> 00:30:19,862 to pivot to this very different film. 766 00:30:19,945 --> 00:30:21,613 [Risa] It's Ron Kovic's story 767 00:30:21,697 --> 00:30:23,824 and you know, Tom was pretty clear 768 00:30:23,907 --> 00:30:25,367 that he had to do this role. 769 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:28,078 I know Tom felt that we all felt a real important obligation 770 00:30:28,161 --> 00:30:29,580 to tell that story well. 771 00:30:29,663 --> 00:30:32,708 - [Tom grunts] - [Risa] And like everything he does, 772 00:30:32,791 --> 00:30:35,294 throws himself into it 100 percent. 773 00:30:35,377 --> 00:30:37,504 And so would Oliver Stone. 774 00:30:37,588 --> 00:30:40,007 [Frank] Who was at the very top of his game. 775 00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:42,050 Kovic's story meant a lot to Oliver, 776 00:30:42,134 --> 00:30:44,136 probably a real lot. 777 00:30:44,219 --> 00:30:46,305 The set of Born on the Fourth of July, 778 00:30:46,388 --> 00:30:48,849 was nothing like Barry Levinson's Rain Man. 779 00:30:48,932 --> 00:30:50,559 [John] What if we did here? What if we did it there? 780 00:30:50,642 --> 00:30:52,936 Oliver Stone had a very different approach. 781 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:54,521 Oliver approaches it 782 00:30:54,605 --> 00:30:57,274 from an almost militaristic standpoint 783 00:30:57,357 --> 00:31:00,777 because he spent, uh, several years in the Army, 784 00:31:00,861 --> 00:31:03,697 and he compares it to a battlefield 785 00:31:03,780 --> 00:31:05,115 while he's shooting a movie. 786 00:31:05,199 --> 00:31:07,701 You have to be prepared when you meet him. 787 00:31:07,784 --> 00:31:10,204 He's fearless and he expects you to be. 788 00:31:10,287 --> 00:31:11,496 He's intimidating. 789 00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:12,581 And he's the captain. 790 00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:15,042 The man is terrifying. 791 00:31:18,754 --> 00:31:20,756 Despite Oliver Stone's reputation... 792 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:22,508 [John echoing] The man is terrifying. 793 00:31:22,591 --> 00:31:24,259 ...actors wanted to work with him again and again. 794 00:31:24,343 --> 00:31:25,511 And Tom would be joining 795 00:31:25,594 --> 00:31:28,013 Stones' loyal Band of Brothers. 796 00:31:28,096 --> 00:31:29,223 Oliver has certain actors 797 00:31:29,306 --> 00:31:31,475 who he likes to work with again and again. 798 00:31:31,558 --> 00:31:32,893 Like Willem Dafoe. 799 00:31:32,976 --> 00:31:34,269 What's your name? 800 00:31:34,353 --> 00:31:36,188 Charlie from Chicago. 801 00:31:36,271 --> 00:31:37,272 Tom Sizemore... 802 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,733 ...and Tom Berenger. 803 00:31:39,816 --> 00:31:41,777 We have always come when our countries called us. 804 00:31:42,402 --> 00:31:43,487 That was really fun, 805 00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:46,281 to find different ways to use them. 806 00:31:46,365 --> 00:31:48,575 But casting such a male-centered film 807 00:31:48,659 --> 00:31:51,995 made casting the female lead even more crucial. 808 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:53,622 [Risa] This was a really important part 809 00:31:53,705 --> 00:31:55,999 because this was the love of his life, 810 00:31:56,083 --> 00:31:57,543 and he could never have her, 811 00:31:57,626 --> 00:32:00,045 and that was such a huge loss for the character. 812 00:32:00,128 --> 00:32:02,840 And it had to be somebody who could hold their own with Tom. 813 00:32:02,923 --> 00:32:05,384 To play opposite Tom, Risa suggested 814 00:32:05,467 --> 00:32:09,096 that then relatively little known Kyra Sedgwick. 815 00:32:09,179 --> 00:32:13,809 Kyra was not exactly what he had in his head visually, 816 00:32:13,892 --> 00:32:16,937 but she was such a warm human being 817 00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:21,942 and that was hard, hard to find that balance between 818 00:32:22,025 --> 00:32:23,986 you know, the beautiful woman 819 00:32:24,069 --> 00:32:27,072 who was the ideal one 820 00:32:27,155 --> 00:32:30,701 and also the, the woman who would hold your heart 821 00:32:30,784 --> 00:32:32,369 and break your heart. 822 00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,788 Another pivotal role was that of Timmy. 823 00:32:36,290 --> 00:32:37,833 And it was a role Frank Whaley embraced 824 00:32:37,916 --> 00:32:39,251 right from the audition. 825 00:32:39,334 --> 00:32:41,253 Because you were going into a room 826 00:32:41,336 --> 00:32:43,839 and like actually meeting the director of the film. 827 00:32:43,922 --> 00:32:45,382 And so it was like a performance 828 00:32:45,465 --> 00:32:47,801 and I was thriving on it at the time. 829 00:32:47,885 --> 00:32:49,344 Even if Frank would have preferred 830 00:32:49,428 --> 00:32:51,847 to thrive on Tom's role. 831 00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:53,724 I was hoping to be Ron. 832 00:32:53,807 --> 00:32:56,977 Um, but that, you know, my hopes were dashed, 833 00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:58,187 but this was my favorite role 834 00:32:58,270 --> 00:33:00,981 because it had what I considered to be like 835 00:33:01,064 --> 00:33:03,901 that centerpiece scene with Ron in the backyard 836 00:33:03,984 --> 00:33:05,694 on the Fourth of July. 837 00:33:05,777 --> 00:33:07,529 But Frank had some time to dial in his character, 838 00:33:07,613 --> 00:33:09,448 before this all important scene. 839 00:33:09,531 --> 00:33:11,283 [Frank] Oliver is very collaborative. 840 00:33:11,366 --> 00:33:15,204 He had spent a lot of time around the table reading, 841 00:33:15,287 --> 00:33:20,542 encouraging us to add ideas and improvise. 842 00:33:20,626 --> 00:33:22,044 When it came to rehearsals, 843 00:33:22,127 --> 00:33:23,170 Tom brought a technique 844 00:33:23,253 --> 00:33:24,588 that he had learned on Rain Man. 845 00:33:24,671 --> 00:33:28,634 When they were rehearsing, they switched roles. 846 00:33:28,717 --> 00:33:31,136 I played his role and he played my role, 847 00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:32,596 which is a tricky thing 848 00:33:32,679 --> 00:33:35,182 because you don't want to be too good. 849 00:33:35,265 --> 00:33:40,354 We finished the scene and then he just stared at me 850 00:33:40,437 --> 00:33:42,689 for like, it seemed like 20 minutes 851 00:33:42,773 --> 00:33:44,358 but it was probably like five seconds. 852 00:33:44,441 --> 00:33:46,109 He said "That was really good." 853 00:33:46,944 --> 00:33:48,779 That was really good. 854 00:33:48,862 --> 00:33:52,533 - - Timmy? Timmy? 855 00:33:52,616 --> 00:33:53,992 [Frank] And then he hugged me 856 00:33:54,076 --> 00:33:56,620 for a really long time. 857 00:33:56,703 --> 00:34:01,166 And doing that, I learned a lot about my role 858 00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:05,546 in some strange way and his role and that scene. 859 00:34:05,629 --> 00:34:07,548 He knew that it would be helpful. 860 00:34:07,631 --> 00:34:11,009 And Frank was going to need all the help he could get. 861 00:34:11,093 --> 00:34:14,513 That same week, I had an audition for another film. 862 00:34:14,596 --> 00:34:16,098 It's called Little Monsters. 863 00:34:16,181 --> 00:34:18,225 Because being cast by Oliver Stone, 864 00:34:18,308 --> 00:34:19,893 wasn't the only opportunity 865 00:34:19,977 --> 00:34:21,562 to land in the lap of the actor, 866 00:34:21,645 --> 00:34:23,272 who just couldn't say no. 867 00:34:23,355 --> 00:34:25,858 I got both the parts on the same day, 868 00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:28,443 and that they would both be filming at the same time. 869 00:34:29,862 --> 00:34:31,864 You know, I was in a lot, like I said, I was in a lot 870 00:34:31,947 --> 00:34:33,073 for Born on the Fourth of July, 871 00:34:33,156 --> 00:34:34,491 and so I had to be there. 872 00:34:34,575 --> 00:34:36,326 But he had somewhere else to be. 873 00:34:36,410 --> 00:34:38,745 On the set of a very different movie 874 00:34:38,829 --> 00:34:40,706 that was 1,200 miles away. 875 00:34:40,789 --> 00:34:42,291 Wilmington, North Carolina. 876 00:34:42,373 --> 00:34:44,501 So Frank was already looking for excuses 877 00:34:44,585 --> 00:34:46,670 to get away from the role of his life. 878 00:34:46,753 --> 00:34:49,756 The thing about Oliver is, you know, he might say, 879 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,509 "Hey, Frankie, do you think you should be in this scene?" 880 00:34:52,593 --> 00:34:55,554 And I knew that I had to film on the other location. 881 00:34:55,637 --> 00:34:58,891 "No, I don't think that would be right for the character, Oliver. I don't really." 882 00:34:59,683 --> 00:35:01,768 "Yeah? Okay. Fine, yeah." 883 00:35:01,852 --> 00:35:03,687 Shuffling between films, 884 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:05,981 Frank had time to get into his character, 885 00:35:06,064 --> 00:35:08,233 which didn't take as long as his makeup. 886 00:35:08,317 --> 00:35:10,027 And you brought some little playmates along with you. 887 00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:11,652 - How nice. - Boo. 888 00:35:11,737 --> 00:35:14,239 Little monsters, a fantasy comedy... 889 00:35:14,323 --> 00:35:16,742 You know, I thought it was something good, but it's not. 890 00:35:16,825 --> 00:35:19,369 ...was thematically as far away from Stone's film, 891 00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:21,205 as its location. 892 00:35:21,288 --> 00:35:23,415 I was playing a 2000-year-old boy 893 00:35:23,498 --> 00:35:26,126 which demanded approximately 894 00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:29,379 three hours of makeup every day 895 00:35:29,463 --> 00:35:32,341 and then three hours essentially to take it off. 896 00:35:32,424 --> 00:35:35,260 For Frank, the crossover in shooting was only brief. 897 00:35:35,344 --> 00:35:39,765 It was enormously stressful going back and forth. 898 00:35:39,848 --> 00:35:41,934 But its consequences would be lasting. 899 00:35:42,017 --> 00:35:43,435 I was in North Carolina 900 00:35:43,518 --> 00:35:47,314 filming my the last scene of Little Monsters. 901 00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:49,315 In an hour, you and your chums will all be monsters. 902 00:35:49,399 --> 00:35:50,692 And then we can all play. 903 00:35:50,776 --> 00:35:52,611 The next day in Dallas, Texas 904 00:35:52,694 --> 00:35:55,864 I'm supposed to be filming my centerpiece scene 905 00:35:55,948 --> 00:35:57,574 on Born on the Fourth of July 906 00:35:57,658 --> 00:35:59,117 at 6:00 a.m. call. 907 00:35:59,201 --> 00:36:01,370 - Which was fine. - Everything is going to be fine. 908 00:36:01,453 --> 00:36:04,373 - Except... - Everything wasn't going fine, at all, 909 00:36:04,456 --> 00:36:06,041 on the set of Little Monsters. 910 00:36:06,123 --> 00:36:07,960 In fact, everything was going horribly wrong. 911 00:36:13,172 --> 00:36:17,052 I was perilously close to missing my flight 912 00:36:17,135 --> 00:36:19,346 because I was exhausted, stressed, 913 00:36:19,429 --> 00:36:21,181 and I wasn't prepared 914 00:36:21,265 --> 00:36:24,017 as I should be to get, to be on that set. 915 00:36:24,101 --> 00:36:26,186 And the one thing no actor could afford to be 916 00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:29,690 when working with Tom Cruise, was underprepared. 917 00:36:29,773 --> 00:36:33,777 I roll in like, you know, in my T-shirt and jeans, 918 00:36:33,861 --> 00:36:36,488 Tom Cruise, he's dressed. 919 00:36:36,572 --> 00:36:37,656 He's all set. 920 00:36:37,739 --> 00:36:39,283 - Shit, I heard about that. - 921 00:36:39,366 --> 00:36:41,076 [Frank] So we start to rehearse. 922 00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:42,953 And Cruise is in full performance. 923 00:36:43,954 --> 00:36:45,122 He's not rehearsing. 924 00:36:45,205 --> 00:36:47,416 He's actually doing the... 925 00:36:47,498 --> 00:36:49,042 He's doing the part 926 00:36:49,126 --> 00:36:50,710 and no cameras are rolling we're just rehearsing. 927 00:36:50,794 --> 00:36:53,046 I'm reading from the thing. 928 00:36:53,130 --> 00:36:54,756 And halfway through the scene, 929 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,551 Oliver Stone yells, "Cut on rehearsal." 930 00:36:57,634 --> 00:37:00,429 He gets up off his chair and he walks into me 931 00:37:00,512 --> 00:37:02,389 and he says "Get off my set! 932 00:37:02,472 --> 00:37:05,726 Get off my set, learn those effing lines. 933 00:37:05,809 --> 00:37:07,853 And when you've got those lines memorized 934 00:37:07,936 --> 00:37:09,771 and you have respect for everybody here, 935 00:37:09,855 --> 00:37:12,107 then you come back on the set." 936 00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:16,570 I have never been more mortified or terrified or embarrassed 937 00:37:16,652 --> 00:37:19,781 or, like, disappointed in myself, 938 00:37:19,864 --> 00:37:22,075 as I was in that moment. 939 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:26,038 I will say that I did relieve myself inside of my pants. 940 00:37:26,121 --> 00:37:29,458 I don't think we've got a fucking friend left. 941 00:37:29,541 --> 00:37:35,047 So I went out to my room and I cried a little bit. 942 00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:37,424 Cursing Howie Mandel, cursing Fred Savage. 943 00:37:37,508 --> 00:37:38,550 That's not fair! 944 00:37:38,634 --> 00:37:40,594 If Frank's life was a film, 945 00:37:40,677 --> 00:37:44,181 this was the moment he experienced his second act turning point. 946 00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:46,391 He was right. 947 00:37:46,475 --> 00:37:49,102 You know, come prepared. 948 00:37:49,186 --> 00:37:50,312 When you're going to be on the set 949 00:37:50,395 --> 00:37:52,814 with Oliver Stone and Tom Cruise 950 00:37:52,898 --> 00:37:54,315 don't screw around, man. 951 00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:57,027 It had an effect that centered me. 952 00:37:57,110 --> 00:37:58,612 This was an important story, 953 00:37:58,695 --> 00:38:00,906 and I wanted to get it right for Oliver. 954 00:38:00,989 --> 00:38:03,992 I wanted to get it right for Ron, who was there. 955 00:38:04,076 --> 00:38:05,869 Frank was soon back on set 956 00:38:05,953 --> 00:38:07,871 where Tom had only one question. 957 00:38:07,955 --> 00:38:10,707 "Ready, man?" "I'm ready. I'm ready." 958 00:38:10,791 --> 00:38:12,876 And the scene they shot proved it. 959 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,087 A lot of bad shit up there, Ronnie, I'm telling you. 960 00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:18,215 Somehow, miraculously, I had the lines memorized. 961 00:38:18,297 --> 00:38:19,466 I was shaking. 962 00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:21,134 Things I don't even want to talk about. 963 00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:23,554 You know. 964 00:38:23,637 --> 00:38:27,349 It's one of my favorite things I've ever done. That scene. 965 00:38:28,141 --> 00:38:29,643 It was crazy. 966 00:38:29,726 --> 00:38:32,229 For me, the greatest moment of my career. 967 00:38:35,774 --> 00:38:38,360 With all the American locations complete... 968 00:38:38,443 --> 00:38:40,279 - - Daddy, the soldiers! 969 00:38:40,362 --> 00:38:41,446 ...filming continued, 970 00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:43,282 and they still had a long way to go. 971 00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:45,325 7,000 miles, in fact. 972 00:38:45,409 --> 00:38:48,871 For the scene shot in Vietnam, Oliver Stone returned to the country 973 00:38:48,954 --> 00:38:51,998 that had helped him produce his Oscar winning Platoon. 974 00:38:52,082 --> 00:38:54,501 I'm Jun Juban. I was the Philippine producer. 975 00:38:54,585 --> 00:38:55,710 But they hadn't experienced 976 00:38:55,794 --> 00:38:57,671 anything quite like Cruise's arrival. 977 00:38:57,754 --> 00:39:00,257 [Jun] It was me and my wife who picked him up. 978 00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,135 Practically, it was a standstill because everybody, 979 00:39:03,218 --> 00:39:05,929 every, every female airport staff, 980 00:39:06,013 --> 00:39:08,098 was waiting for him on the tarmac. 981 00:39:09,975 --> 00:39:12,978 So so when he went out everybody said... 982 00:39:14,271 --> 00:39:16,607 And of course, when Mr. Cruise or Tom 983 00:39:16,690 --> 00:39:19,860 got into the car, my wife was starstruck. 984 00:39:21,195 --> 00:39:23,071 But Tom Cruise was here to work. 985 00:39:23,155 --> 00:39:25,782 And Born on the Fourth of Julywas a serious movie 986 00:39:25,866 --> 00:39:28,493 as Oliver Stone was keen to remind Jun. 987 00:39:28,577 --> 00:39:30,078 [Jun] He kept on saying 988 00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:32,581 "Jun, we're not making a Chuck Norris movie." 989 00:39:32,664 --> 00:39:34,248 I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you. 990 00:39:35,167 --> 00:39:36,710 That's just one of those movies. 991 00:39:36,793 --> 00:39:39,254 He exacted more from everybody. 992 00:39:40,506 --> 00:39:41,924 And it shows. 993 00:39:42,007 --> 00:39:44,301 And this time Oliver Stone expected more. 994 00:39:44,384 --> 00:39:46,011 Even from the Philippines. 995 00:39:46,094 --> 00:39:48,096 [Jun] He said, "To make it worth our while, 996 00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:50,181 can we do Mexico in the Philippines?" 997 00:39:50,265 --> 00:39:52,142 I said, "Sure, yeah, we can." 998 00:39:52,226 --> 00:39:53,727 It seems there wasn't a problem 999 00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:56,355 Jun couldn't fix for Oliver Stone. 1000 00:39:56,438 --> 00:39:59,690 The Air Force only had two C-130s at the time. 1001 00:39:59,775 --> 00:40:01,985 One was used operationally. 1002 00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:03,612 So the one that was allotted to us, 1003 00:40:03,695 --> 00:40:05,739 unfortunately, two days before, had engine trouble. 1004 00:40:06,364 --> 00:40:08,033 It conks out. 1005 00:40:08,116 --> 00:40:09,493 So when I explained to Oliver 1006 00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:10,869 he was good enough, 1007 00:40:10,953 --> 00:40:12,746 okay, instead of that, then we'll use helicopters. 1008 00:40:14,164 --> 00:40:16,083 From helicopter blades 1009 00:40:16,166 --> 00:40:18,835 to the razor sharp blades of the edit bay. 1010 00:40:18,919 --> 00:40:22,256 We were in the Philippines for a month. 1011 00:40:22,339 --> 00:40:24,341 It was second editor, Joe Hutshing's job 1012 00:40:24,424 --> 00:40:26,426 to wrangle a mountain of footage. 1013 00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:29,388 And his marching orders from Stone were simple. 1014 00:40:29,471 --> 00:40:32,015 He'll say, "Do the cut and call me when you're ready." 1015 00:40:32,099 --> 00:40:34,393 And Oliver Stone had a particular way 1016 00:40:34,476 --> 00:40:35,853 of talking to his editors. 1017 00:40:35,936 --> 00:40:39,231 "Are you trying to rat fuck me? What the fuck is this? 1018 00:40:39,314 --> 00:40:41,065 This is garbage. 1019 00:40:41,149 --> 00:40:42,776 You have to do this over again." 1020 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:45,195 - - [Joe laughs] 1021 00:40:45,279 --> 00:40:47,948 When released in December of 1989, 1022 00:40:48,031 --> 00:40:50,742 audiences embraced Tom and Ron Kovic's story 1023 00:40:50,826 --> 00:40:52,536 keeping Born on the Fourth of July 1024 00:40:52,619 --> 00:40:55,330 in the top five grossing movies for nine weeks. 1025 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,709 When you really find out you have a hit 1026 00:40:58,792 --> 00:41:01,335 is when you see it with an audience 1027 00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:02,838 and they respond well. 1028 00:41:03,964 --> 00:41:05,591 [Joe] You can feel it. 1029 00:41:05,674 --> 00:41:09,636 I remember being really moved by it. 1030 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,638 I do remember seeing it for the first time, 1031 00:41:11,722 --> 00:41:14,016 and I just was, just blown away and so proud. 1032 00:41:14,850 --> 00:41:16,810 It was, it was incredible. 1033 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,938 - And as for Frank's other role... - 1034 00:41:21,315 --> 00:41:23,442 I will never look at that. I will never see it. 1035 00:41:23,525 --> 00:41:25,527 It was my Vietnam. 1036 00:41:25,611 --> 00:41:26,862 But as for Tom Cruise, 1037 00:41:26,945 --> 00:41:29,656 who also filmed two movies in the same year, 1038 00:41:29,739 --> 00:41:32,784 in his 12th feature, 27-year-old Tom Cruise 1039 00:41:32,868 --> 00:41:35,286 had earned his first Oscar nomination. 1040 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:36,496 [Charles] Getting that Oscar nomination 1041 00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:37,706 for Born on the Fourth of July 1042 00:41:37,789 --> 00:41:40,417 I think added another level to Tom Cruise. 1043 00:41:40,501 --> 00:41:42,002 I mean, to me, I think he deserved 1044 00:41:42,085 --> 00:41:43,504 an Oscar nomination for Rain Man. 1045 00:41:43,587 --> 00:41:46,047 That's the... that's the harder role to play. 1046 00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:49,510 That showed just what he was capable of. 1047 00:41:49,593 --> 00:41:51,637 You know, the talent that he had. 1048 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,263 And finally, it was a talent 1049 00:41:53,347 --> 00:41:55,891 that was recognized by The Academy. 1050 00:41:55,974 --> 00:41:58,310 And the Oscar goes to... 1051 00:41:59,603 --> 00:42:01,271 Mmm. 1052 00:42:01,355 --> 00:42:02,356 Daniel Day Lewis, My Left Foot. 1053 00:42:03,524 --> 00:42:04,608 Despite not winning, 1054 00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:06,485 Tom still had his winning smile. 1055 00:42:06,568 --> 00:42:08,195 It was incredible. 1056 00:42:08,277 --> 00:42:10,322 To David Brenner and Joe Hutshing... 1057 00:42:10,405 --> 00:42:13,116 - - ...forBorn on the Fourth of July. 1058 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,868 [Joe] I looked out and the first person I saw 1059 00:42:14,952 --> 00:42:18,664 in the front row was Tom Cruise with a huge grin on his face. 1060 00:42:18,747 --> 00:42:22,876 Thank you. I'd like to thank Oliver Stone, the Academy. 1061 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,837 So I gave my speech to Tom. 1062 00:42:26,129 --> 00:42:27,130 And the Oscar goes to... 1063 00:42:27,214 --> 00:42:28,549 The film was decorated, 1064 00:42:28,632 --> 00:42:31,134 clinching two Oscars from its eight nominations, 1065 00:42:31,218 --> 00:42:32,761 including one for its general. 1066 00:42:32,844 --> 00:42:35,305 Oliver Stone,Born on the Fourth of July. 1067 00:42:35,389 --> 00:42:37,599 Oliver, once he was receiving the Oscar, 1068 00:42:37,683 --> 00:42:41,353 his last sentence was "I would like to thank..." 1069 00:42:41,436 --> 00:42:43,772 ...the warm people of the Philippines. 1070 00:42:43,856 --> 00:42:45,315 It melted our hearts. 1071 00:42:45,399 --> 00:42:47,901 Tom's reward came in the form of gratitude. 1072 00:42:47,985 --> 00:42:50,821 And to Tom Cruise for making Ron's dream come true. 1073 00:42:53,574 --> 00:42:55,534 I've run into Ron a number of times, Ron Kovic, 1074 00:42:55,617 --> 00:42:59,161 since we made the movie and what's really meaningful, 1075 00:42:59,246 --> 00:43:01,707 you know you've done something right, 1076 00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:03,292 is that he said this like 1077 00:43:03,375 --> 00:43:06,962 was life changing for him and huge... 1078 00:43:07,045 --> 00:43:08,881 ...just in terms of being able to tell the story 1079 00:43:08,964 --> 00:43:10,549 and to be able to contribute to that. 1080 00:43:11,508 --> 00:43:13,302 It's amazing. 1081 00:43:13,385 --> 00:43:14,594 And while Tom didn't receive 1082 00:43:14,678 --> 00:43:16,805 a golden statuette on the night... 1083 00:43:16,889 --> 00:43:18,931 And I don't want you to feel sorry for me. 1084 00:43:19,016 --> 00:43:21,393 But I think it was one of the best things he ever did. 1085 00:43:21,476 --> 00:43:22,811 Tom finished the 80s 1086 00:43:22,895 --> 00:43:25,105 as one of Hollywood's biggest draws. 1087 00:43:25,189 --> 00:43:28,065 And for Tom, the 90s were going to be no different. 1088 00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:29,276 - Days of Thunder. - Far and Away. 1089 00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:30,402 A Few Good Men. 1090 00:43:30,485 --> 00:43:32,237 - The Firm in '93.-Jerry Maguire. 1091 00:43:32,321 --> 00:43:34,406 Maybe he would finally get his Oscar. 82551

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