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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,552 --> 00:00:12,679 In 2001, production was off 2 00:00:12,721 --> 00:00:15,724 to a rocky start on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. 3 00:00:15,766 --> 00:00:19,937 And when the dailies started rolling in, the studio was getting nervous. 4 00:00:19,978 --> 00:00:24,483 When I saw the footage, I think they were worried it wasn't contemporary enough. 5 00:00:24,525 --> 00:00:27,611 They were hoping it was gonna be something flashier than that. 6 00:00:27,653 --> 00:00:30,906 ...which was not the direction Sam Raimi was going. 7 00:00:30,948 --> 00:00:33,450 There was a lot of concern in the studios... 8 00:00:33,492 --> 00:00:36,620 that nobody had ever seen his morale and it was gonna be a cartoon. 9 00:00:37,496 --> 00:00:38,747 Really wanted an action movie. 10 00:00:38,789 --> 00:00:41,165 So Sony would make a drastic decision. 11 00:00:41,208 --> 00:00:42,960 [Lefler] The studio was trying to control Sam. 12 00:00:43,001 --> 00:00:45,629 They can't fire Sam, so they shot the prison standing next to him. 13 00:00:45,671 --> 00:00:48,340 The board expects your resignation in 30 days. 14 00:00:48,382 --> 00:00:49,550 They fired me. 15 00:00:49,591 --> 00:00:51,385 But you can't do this to me. 16 00:00:51,426 --> 00:00:52,928 I started this company. 17 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:55,639 Once I was fired, then a lot of other people 18 00:00:55,681 --> 00:00:56,849 started taking over. 19 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:58,934 People that the studio wanted Sam to use. 20 00:00:58,976 --> 00:01:01,061 With his right hand man out, 21 00:01:01,103 --> 00:01:05,023 Sam wouldn't be the only one feeling the heat. 22 00:01:05,065 --> 00:01:08,193 There was so much pressure from Marvel on Sony, 23 00:01:08,235 --> 00:01:10,571 to make this something unbelievable. 24 00:01:10,612 --> 00:01:12,572 [Bottegoni] There was an expectation that we were going to do 25 00:01:12,614 --> 00:01:14,741 a lot of things that hadn't been done before. 26 00:01:14,783 --> 00:01:16,743 Don't be a coward. 27 00:01:16,785 --> 00:01:18,703 As the team took big swings... 28 00:01:18,745 --> 00:01:20,122 At that point in time, 29 00:01:20,163 --> 00:01:21,956 we all knew we had something really special. 30 00:01:21,999 --> 00:01:23,959 ...and big misses... 31 00:01:24,001 --> 00:01:27,712 Up pops people thinking that one of the bad guys is the brother from Frasier. 32 00:01:27,754 --> 00:01:29,715 No one's ever given me the thumbs up. 33 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:32,301 Sam Raimi was in uncharted territory... 34 00:01:32,342 --> 00:01:35,304 This was the only visual effects film that Sam had ever done. 35 00:01:35,345 --> 00:01:38,223 [Green Goblin] Imagine what we could accomplish together 36 00:01:38,265 --> 00:01:41,810 ...as he took a leap of faith on a friendly neighborhood hero... 37 00:01:41,852 --> 00:01:44,980 People wanted a hero after 9/11. 38 00:01:45,022 --> 00:01:46,899 ...when the world needed it most. 39 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:48,859 That little scenario screwed up my entire life. 40 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:26,395 The studio was on edge about the direction 41 00:02:26,438 --> 00:02:28,774 Sam Raimi was taking Spider-Man, 42 00:02:28,815 --> 00:02:31,401 and they were looking ahead at how they were going to market 43 00:02:31,443 --> 00:02:33,028 this new kind of genre. 44 00:02:33,070 --> 00:02:35,697 [Precious] Marvel was teetering on bankruptcy. 45 00:02:35,739 --> 00:02:38,075 Everything was riding on this movie. 46 00:02:38,116 --> 00:02:39,785 And it was anything but a gimme. 47 00:02:39,826 --> 00:02:42,037 What the studio was telling me was, 48 00:02:42,079 --> 00:02:46,625 "Dana, you need to make this movie the biggest opening of all time. 49 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:48,877 "Superhero movies aren't a thing. 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,046 "And you've got to make it a thing." 51 00:02:51,088 --> 00:02:54,424 And Sony executive Dana Precious would have her work cut out for her. 52 00:02:54,466 --> 00:02:56,635 At the point where Spider-Man was handed to me, 53 00:02:56,677 --> 00:03:00,305 research showed that the only people who wanted to go see Spider-Man 54 00:03:00,347 --> 00:03:02,724 were seven-year-old boys and 40-year-old men 55 00:03:02,766 --> 00:03:04,226 who went to comic book stores. 56 00:03:04,268 --> 00:03:05,561 That was it. 57 00:03:05,602 --> 00:03:07,729 So while Dana was focused on getting 58 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:10,148 everybody else to love Spider-Man, 59 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:12,901 the film's director, Sam Raimi, was more focused 60 00:03:12,943 --> 00:03:15,529 on the actual love story of the movie. 61 00:03:15,571 --> 00:03:19,366 Sam is kind of a story guy, and he follows a genre. 62 00:03:19,407 --> 00:03:21,702 And he was being true to the the comic book. 63 00:03:21,743 --> 00:03:25,538 And nothing screams comic book romance like a first kiss. 64 00:03:25,581 --> 00:03:28,458 They get a drawing of Spider-Man hanging upside down when they kissed. 65 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:31,044 But before they could bring Doug's idea to life, 66 00:03:31,086 --> 00:03:33,255 while looking for Kirsten's stunt double, 67 00:03:33,297 --> 00:03:36,258 Jeff would opt to keep it in the family. 68 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:38,510 [Habberstad] We needed a double for Mary Jane, 69 00:03:38,552 --> 00:03:41,263 and my sister, at the time, was a schoolteacher. 70 00:03:41,305 --> 00:03:43,640 I called her up and I said, "What would you think about doing this?" 71 00:03:43,682 --> 00:03:47,227 I felt committed to the kids and to my school. 72 00:03:47,269 --> 00:03:50,647 And yet that was a really big opportunity. 73 00:03:50,689 --> 00:03:54,568 So for Jeri, school was out and intense stunt work was in. 74 00:03:55,861 --> 00:03:57,988 [Jeri] My first scene was the rain scene. 75 00:03:59,990 --> 00:04:01,825 The robbers are chasing MJ. 76 00:04:01,867 --> 00:04:04,745 So I had to attack them and kick them in the privates. 77 00:04:07,164 --> 00:04:09,666 I didn't do the kissing scene. She did that. 78 00:04:09,708 --> 00:04:11,335 And I was glad about that. 79 00:04:11,376 --> 00:04:13,504 I think I have a superhero stalker. 80 00:04:13,545 --> 00:04:15,672 So while Jeri sat out, the close ups, 81 00:04:15,714 --> 00:04:19,051 Don needed to find a way to honor Sam's mandate. 82 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:21,428 The goal is always to get everything in camera. 83 00:04:21,470 --> 00:04:25,140 So the upside down kiss, we figured out a way to do that, all in one shot. 84 00:04:25,182 --> 00:04:29,269 As I recall, we created a hatch so the double Spider-Man could disappear. 85 00:04:29,311 --> 00:04:31,230 And then the real Tobey pops down, 86 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:32,940 ultimately, in frame, upside down. 87 00:04:32,981 --> 00:04:34,815 You have a knack for getting in trouble. 88 00:04:34,858 --> 00:04:37,277 There's a little bit of a Texas switch, a little bit of sleight of hand, 89 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:40,697 a little bit of these things we do in film to kind of pull off these shots. 90 00:04:40,738 --> 00:04:43,534 But there was still one more detail to iron out. 91 00:04:43,575 --> 00:04:45,494 Wait. 92 00:04:45,536 --> 00:04:47,829 It seems to me like it was Laura Ziskin's idea for MJ to pull down the mask 93 00:04:47,871 --> 00:04:51,250 so she could actually kiss him on the mouth. 94 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:53,460 There's a lot of things that made the shooting of that 95 00:04:53,502 --> 00:04:55,462 uncomfortable for the performers. 96 00:04:55,504 --> 00:04:57,630 When I heard he wasn't super comfortable upside down... 97 00:04:57,673 --> 00:04:59,675 Being in a harness is not comfortable. 98 00:04:59,716 --> 00:05:02,553 Being upside down on a harness is miserable. 99 00:05:02,594 --> 00:05:03,803 He gave it the college try. 100 00:05:07,724 --> 00:05:09,935 With water running up his nose or down his nose. 101 00:05:09,976 --> 00:05:11,311 These are holes. 102 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:13,146 Water goes in holes. 103 00:05:13,188 --> 00:05:15,815 But his co-star didn't have the easiest time, either. 104 00:05:15,858 --> 00:05:19,903 Well, you know, of course, it was a a cold night on the back lot. 105 00:05:19,945 --> 00:05:23,615 It was wet and dark and cold and miserable. 106 00:05:23,657 --> 00:05:26,994 We were doing this in January and they don't heat that water. 107 00:05:27,035 --> 00:05:31,206 But she I called over to Sam and said, "Sam, I'm cold and wet. 108 00:05:31,248 --> 00:05:33,041 "And my t-shirt's sticking to me." 109 00:05:33,083 --> 00:05:34,877 And Sam looked back at her and said, 110 00:05:34,918 --> 00:05:37,045 "Kirsten, that's what the kids want to see. 111 00:05:37,087 --> 00:05:38,046 "You're doing great." 112 00:05:39,882 --> 00:05:42,259 And the result was cinema history. 113 00:05:42,301 --> 00:05:44,469 [Busch] Wow, it looked good on screen! 114 00:05:44,511 --> 00:05:46,138 That whole thing, that was... that was really hot. 115 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:49,391 Probably one of the most iconic scenes in any movie ever. 116 00:05:49,433 --> 00:05:53,645 Sam Raimi was proving that Spider-Man didn't need to rely on action. 117 00:05:53,687 --> 00:05:57,440 But what this movie would rely on was visual effects. 118 00:05:57,482 --> 00:06:01,236 It was the first really big Sony film 119 00:06:01,278 --> 00:06:04,198 that Sony Pictures Imageworks did the visual effects on. 120 00:06:05,824 --> 00:06:08,327 I insisted that we do the visual effects. 121 00:06:08,368 --> 00:06:12,289 Our lead supervisor was a guy named John Dykstra, 122 00:06:12,331 --> 00:06:14,625 who worked on the Star Wars films. 123 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:19,254 We were starting to get to where computer-generated imagery 124 00:06:19,296 --> 00:06:22,424 was on the cusp of being realistic. 125 00:06:22,466 --> 00:06:26,011 This is 1999, early 2000, 126 00:06:26,053 --> 00:06:29,348 and it was a very different time than it is now. 127 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:32,392 Thankfully, John Dykstra had a plan. 128 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:34,603 One of the things that was important 129 00:06:34,645 --> 00:06:36,980 was the way that we captured Spider-Man. 130 00:06:37,022 --> 00:06:38,732 Spider-Man has his own cameraman. 131 00:06:38,774 --> 00:06:41,485 I'm sort of his unofficial photographer. 132 00:06:41,527 --> 00:06:43,987 [Dykstra] The guy goes with him everywhere he goes, 133 00:06:44,029 --> 00:06:46,698 which allowed the audience to empathize 134 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:49,618 with the emotional experience that Spider-Man was having. 135 00:06:52,037 --> 00:06:53,914 But even with his own cameraman, 136 00:06:53,956 --> 00:06:56,041 creating a 3D version of Spider-Man 137 00:06:56,083 --> 00:06:58,544 would pose its own set of challenges. 138 00:06:58,585 --> 00:06:59,711 It was a big deal at the time. 139 00:06:59,753 --> 00:07:02,380 Creating a digital double for Spider-Man. 140 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:04,842 was actually not a small feat. 141 00:07:04,883 --> 00:07:08,928 So they investigated another technology on the cusp of going mainstream. 142 00:07:08,971 --> 00:07:12,266 So we went down this road of motion capture. 143 00:07:12,307 --> 00:07:15,602 Motion capture really wasn't there at the time, Not even close. 144 00:07:15,644 --> 00:07:17,521 You're a liar! 145 00:07:17,563 --> 00:07:19,356 [Bottegoni] You had Gollum around that time, 146 00:07:19,398 --> 00:07:20,816 and that was, you know, really kind of 147 00:07:20,858 --> 00:07:22,276 breaking through on that technology. 148 00:07:22,317 --> 00:07:24,403 But that was very cutting-edge at the time. 149 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:26,029 Where would you be without me? 150 00:07:26,071 --> 00:07:30,409 Spider-Man is a different kind of lead CG character. 151 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:33,579 Spider-Man has to do things that a real person can't. 152 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:36,957 [Dykstra] The character defies physics in a broad enough sense. 153 00:07:36,999 --> 00:07:38,750 No matter who's looking at it, 154 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:42,045 they go, eh, somebody jumping off the roof of a 20-story building, 155 00:07:42,087 --> 00:07:44,047 and hitting the sidewalk, 156 00:07:44,131 --> 00:07:46,508 if they were a stunt person, they'd end up as a little pile of bone and blood. 157 00:07:47,176 --> 00:07:48,635 Spider-Man! 158 00:07:48,677 --> 00:07:50,846 It became clear, like, motion capture couldn't get that. 159 00:07:50,888 --> 00:07:52,973 It was going to have to be hand-animated. 160 00:07:53,015 --> 00:07:54,975 I think everyone... 161 00:07:55,017 --> 00:07:58,270 was a little bit scared about that challenge. 162 00:07:58,312 --> 00:08:02,274 And Sony was questioning if the VFX team could pull it off. 163 00:08:02,316 --> 00:08:05,027 The studio was concerned that they wouldn't be able 164 00:08:05,068 --> 00:08:08,113 to get a computer -generated version of Spider-Man 165 00:08:08,155 --> 00:08:10,324 that would be convincing. 166 00:08:10,365 --> 00:08:14,828 So what we did is we created a Spider-Man on the computer, crawling up the wall, 167 00:08:14,870 --> 00:08:17,581 and we had shot a guy climbing the wall 168 00:08:17,623 --> 00:08:19,625 in a Spider-Man suit, as well. 169 00:08:19,666 --> 00:08:21,126 And we took it to the studio 170 00:08:21,168 --> 00:08:24,129 and we said, "Okay, so now we're going to show you. 171 00:08:24,171 --> 00:08:26,840 "This is our stunt version of Spider-Man." 172 00:08:26,882 --> 00:08:28,467 And we showed that image. 173 00:08:28,509 --> 00:08:30,928 And then we showed our computer-generated image. 174 00:08:30,969 --> 00:08:33,138 And didn't tell them it was computer-generated. 175 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:35,057 And they say, "Oh, well, we like the second one better." 176 00:08:35,098 --> 00:08:38,769 Well, they didn't notice that it was a computer-generated Spider-Man, 177 00:08:38,809 --> 00:08:40,270 as opposed to a stuntman. 178 00:08:40,312 --> 00:08:42,814 With the studio convinced by Dykstra's plan, 179 00:08:42,856 --> 00:08:46,610 Dana was grappling with her own predicament in marketing the film. 180 00:08:46,652 --> 00:08:48,111 Most notably... 181 00:08:48,153 --> 00:08:49,988 The first teaser trailer for Spider-Man... 182 00:08:50,655 --> 00:08:52,324 We had no shots for. 183 00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:54,701 A not uncommon practice Hollywood would reserve 184 00:08:54,743 --> 00:08:56,662 for its biggest tent pole releases. 185 00:08:56,703 --> 00:08:59,665 Just at the beginning of when their shows were that expensive 186 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:01,833 and they wanted to create an event out of it, 187 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,336 we would do teaser trailers before there was any footage 188 00:09:04,378 --> 00:09:05,337 of things like Godzilla. 189 00:09:08,549 --> 00:09:11,301 Not one to let a lack of footage hold her back, 190 00:09:11,343 --> 00:09:16,390 Dana concocted a plan to sell superhero movies to a new generation. 191 00:09:16,431 --> 00:09:20,352 My department came up with the idea of shooting the bank heist. 192 00:09:20,394 --> 00:09:22,980 Ladies and gentlemen, please remain calm! 193 00:09:23,021 --> 00:09:25,774 [Precious] And then they escape in a helicopter 194 00:09:25,816 --> 00:09:29,278 and Spider-Man catches them in a web between the twin towers. 195 00:09:31,905 --> 00:09:34,366 And this was all shot by Dick Buckley. 196 00:09:34,408 --> 00:09:36,285 That would be this Dick Buckley. 197 00:09:36,326 --> 00:09:39,580 My task was to make it feel like an action film, 198 00:09:39,621 --> 00:09:40,831 like a Tony Scott movie. 199 00:09:40,873 --> 00:09:41,832 Lucky shot. 200 00:09:44,418 --> 00:09:46,378 That was kind of the quest. 201 00:09:46,420 --> 00:09:49,756 Sony was willing to do whatever it took to get the teaser right. 202 00:09:49,798 --> 00:09:53,635 This was the most expensive teaser trailer in history. 203 00:09:53,677 --> 00:09:55,511 Go, go, go, go! 204 00:09:55,554 --> 00:09:58,432 I don't know if it's been beat to date, but it was two million dollars. 205 00:09:58,473 --> 00:09:59,725 It was shooting a small movie. 206 00:09:59,766 --> 00:10:02,895 Why can't you move it? 207 00:10:02,936 --> 00:10:06,190 Dick would be shooting an all-original scene just for the teaser. 208 00:10:06,231 --> 00:10:08,650 And not only would it need to be action-packed, 209 00:10:08,692 --> 00:10:10,944 they had to avoid giving anything away. 210 00:10:10,986 --> 00:10:14,323 We made a desperate attempt to try to camouflage 211 00:10:14,364 --> 00:10:16,408 any of the comic book stuff in the beginning. 212 00:10:16,450 --> 00:10:18,243 We were giving misleads. 213 00:10:18,285 --> 00:10:21,413 The pictures in the background are all bad guys. 214 00:10:21,455 --> 00:10:24,458 They didn't want to give away any ideas of what was going on. 215 00:10:24,499 --> 00:10:27,377 Obviously, the teaser would need to come out before the movie. 216 00:10:27,419 --> 00:10:30,130 Which presented Dick with a rather large problem. 217 00:10:30,172 --> 00:10:34,635 The biggest issue at the time was they were just learning how to do realistic 3D. 218 00:10:34,676 --> 00:10:38,388 Scott Stokdyk was inventing all this stuff with Dykstra as we went. 219 00:10:38,429 --> 00:10:40,474 Sometimes it's, "Wow, we don't know. 220 00:10:40,516 --> 00:10:42,184 "This hasn't been done before." 221 00:10:42,226 --> 00:10:43,809 But that would soon change. 222 00:10:43,852 --> 00:10:46,480 So we used the marketing budget 223 00:10:46,522 --> 00:10:49,191 to put together a small team with CG guys, 224 00:10:49,232 --> 00:10:50,442 to kind of experiment with it. 225 00:10:50,484 --> 00:10:51,985 And the teaser then became 226 00:10:52,027 --> 00:10:54,112 a testing ground for Dykstra and his team, 227 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:55,655 who were then able to solve 228 00:10:55,697 --> 00:10:58,033 one of the biggest challenges of the film. 229 00:10:58,075 --> 00:11:00,077 And the swinging through New York City, 230 00:11:00,118 --> 00:11:02,203 and the feeling of being there, 231 00:11:02,246 --> 00:11:03,997 that was a really, really big challenge. 232 00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:07,000 And John and his wisdom and his engineering 233 00:11:07,042 --> 00:11:09,378 had worked with a team to put together something 234 00:11:09,419 --> 00:11:11,880 that we ended up referring to as Spidey Cam. 235 00:11:11,922 --> 00:11:14,758 You know, I'm something of a scientist myself. 236 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,053 Just as he had on Star Wars, 23 years earlier, 237 00:11:18,095 --> 00:11:22,349 John invented a bespoke camera rig to shoot the impossible. 238 00:11:22,391 --> 00:11:26,645 We took a remote control head and put it on cables, 239 00:11:26,687 --> 00:11:29,940 and they could control the speed and the movement of the camera 240 00:11:29,982 --> 00:11:31,357 so they could climb the altitude, 241 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,193 they could dive down, they could circle around. 242 00:11:33,235 --> 00:11:35,237 They could go from point A to point B. 243 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:38,030 Back then, you know, that was a kind of a new experience. 244 00:11:38,073 --> 00:11:40,200 But when it came time for it, 245 00:11:40,242 --> 00:11:43,578 it was anyone's guess if the VFX team could pull it off. 246 00:11:47,249 --> 00:11:49,543 Sam Raimi'sSpider-Man was shaping up 247 00:11:49,585 --> 00:11:51,879 to be a different kind of superhero movie, 248 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,797 with emotion as well as action. 249 00:11:56,008 --> 00:11:58,218 But Sam would be encountering challenges 250 00:11:58,260 --> 00:12:01,054 unlike anything he had ever faced before. 251 00:12:01,096 --> 00:12:03,432 He'd never work on a movie with this kind of budget 252 00:12:03,473 --> 00:12:04,850 or at this level before. 253 00:12:04,892 --> 00:12:07,059 And the complexity would reach its apex 254 00:12:07,102 --> 00:12:10,063 during one of the most exciting scenes of the film. 255 00:12:10,105 --> 00:12:12,357 - What is that? - It must be new this year. 256 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:14,818 [Bottegoni] The Macy's Day parade probably goes unnoticed 257 00:12:14,860 --> 00:12:17,779 in terms of it being difficult to orchestrate 258 00:12:17,821 --> 00:12:20,449 from the computer graphics side of the spectrum. 259 00:12:20,490 --> 00:12:23,327 - Hello, my dear. - 260 00:12:23,368 --> 00:12:26,955 Luckily for Sam, he wouldn't have to do this on his own. 261 00:12:26,997 --> 00:12:31,335 Sam Raimi is still one of my favorite directors because he's just so prepared. 262 00:12:31,376 --> 00:12:33,587 He comes up with exactly what he wants. 263 00:12:33,629 --> 00:12:37,006 And then what we do is we have to come out and perform it for him. 264 00:12:37,049 --> 00:12:39,468 And second unit AD Lisa Satriano 265 00:12:39,510 --> 00:12:41,886 had a unique passion for that performance. 266 00:12:41,929 --> 00:12:44,765 When I first started as a first AD in second unit, 267 00:12:44,806 --> 00:12:46,475 I really wanted to do first unit. 268 00:12:46,517 --> 00:12:49,311 But I would go out for these big action movies 269 00:12:49,352 --> 00:12:51,396 and the director would end up saying, "You know, I really like you 270 00:12:51,438 --> 00:12:52,981 "but it's a guys' action movie. 271 00:12:53,023 --> 00:12:55,901 "So we're going to hire the guy to do first unit. 272 00:12:55,943 --> 00:12:58,320 "But will you do a second unit for us?" Oh, wait. 273 00:12:58,362 --> 00:13:00,489 Well, here's what second unit does. 274 00:13:00,530 --> 00:13:02,824 "The big explosions and the fights? 275 00:13:02,866 --> 00:13:04,368 "Sure, I'll go to that." 276 00:13:04,409 --> 00:13:06,119 Although Lisa got to blow things up... 277 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,578 And I really enjoy it. 278 00:13:07,621 --> 00:13:09,623 ...she had to be careful not to blow up the budget. 279 00:13:09,665 --> 00:13:13,043 [Satriano] That was a time where we had to take different sets 280 00:13:13,085 --> 00:13:15,671 in order to just make one Times Square. 281 00:13:15,712 --> 00:13:18,799 Ultimately, I did a light study in Times Square. 282 00:13:18,841 --> 00:13:21,844 And at the time of the year, we picked 4:30 283 00:13:21,885 --> 00:13:25,556 because that's when the sun breaks down those streets, 284 00:13:25,597 --> 00:13:30,434 and so I recreated that idea on stage to give us the thread. 285 00:13:30,477 --> 00:13:32,062 Shooting each piece separately 286 00:13:32,104 --> 00:13:33,605 and then combining in post, 287 00:13:33,647 --> 00:13:35,524 production set off with clear instructions. 288 00:13:35,566 --> 00:13:39,361 Visual effects always want you to get as much in-camera as possible. 289 00:13:39,403 --> 00:13:42,072 So they encourage us to do as much as we can. 290 00:13:42,114 --> 00:13:43,365 Easier said than done 291 00:13:43,407 --> 00:13:46,118 when you're blowing up the sides of buildings. 292 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:50,080 We built the balcony on stage because the balcony had to break away, 293 00:13:50,122 --> 00:13:51,623 and so that had to be a special effect. 294 00:13:53,292 --> 00:13:55,043 That was all on hydraulics. 295 00:13:55,085 --> 00:13:57,796 So we'd put it right back and do it again and again and again. 296 00:13:59,590 --> 00:14:00,841 [Jeri] The balcony scene, 297 00:14:00,883 --> 00:14:02,676 I think we were doing that for about two weeks. 298 00:14:02,718 --> 00:14:05,220 And that was Jeri's time to shine. 299 00:14:05,261 --> 00:14:06,889 [Jeri] The balcony has to fall a little bit, 300 00:14:06,929 --> 00:14:08,432 and then it falls a little bit more. 301 00:14:08,473 --> 00:14:10,475 And then eventually, the banister 302 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:12,311 breaks away and she falls. 303 00:14:13,854 --> 00:14:16,607 Spider-Man saved her on a regular basis. 304 00:14:16,648 --> 00:14:18,567 I don't know how many times he did it in the movie, 305 00:14:18,609 --> 00:14:20,277 but I know it was quite a few. 306 00:14:20,319 --> 00:14:22,613 That'd be three. But who's counting? 307 00:14:22,654 --> 00:14:26,241 This was still Spidey's first Mary Jane rescue of the film. 308 00:14:26,283 --> 00:14:30,120 So Jeff had to make sure this one was something special. 309 00:14:30,162 --> 00:14:32,998 [Habberstad] To do that, we utilized the blue screen. 310 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,835 We built this huge structure that was like 150-feet high, 311 00:14:36,877 --> 00:14:39,213 and just climbing up there and looking down 312 00:14:39,254 --> 00:14:41,048 like, "Holy moly, this is high." 313 00:14:41,089 --> 00:14:42,591 A substantial amount of rigging 314 00:14:42,633 --> 00:14:44,927 has been rehearsed to get that dialed-in just right. 315 00:14:48,055 --> 00:14:51,391 So we were in New York and Tobey's standing on the ledge. 316 00:14:51,433 --> 00:14:54,895 Tobey was afraid of heights, so Sam Raimi says, 317 00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:57,564 "Tobey, now try to look scared." 318 00:14:57,606 --> 00:15:01,068 And everybody's laughing because Tobey was scared. 319 00:15:01,109 --> 00:15:04,154 It was very uncomfortable, like, there were a lot of big balls. 320 00:15:04,196 --> 00:15:07,616 And Jeri would know since she was the one being dropped, 321 00:15:07,658 --> 00:15:10,285 over and over and over again. 322 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:14,122 It's so different from being a schoolteacher. 323 00:15:14,164 --> 00:15:16,375 And for the final piece of the puzzle, 324 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:19,962 Lisa would need to fill in those holes left by the blue screen. 325 00:15:20,003 --> 00:15:23,674 And then we had to go to New York in actual Times Square, 326 00:15:23,715 --> 00:15:26,343 where second unit, we had to shoot background plates. 327 00:15:26,385 --> 00:15:30,639 Specifically to show New York and to create the illusion 328 00:15:30,681 --> 00:15:33,267 for the audience that the whole movie took place there. 329 00:15:33,308 --> 00:15:37,312 And then John Dykstra had to tie all these sets together. 330 00:15:37,354 --> 00:15:39,857 In order for it to look like Times Square. 331 00:15:39,898 --> 00:15:43,819 We'll meet again, Spider-Man! 332 00:15:43,861 --> 00:15:46,822 For Sam Raimi, capturing the essence of New York 333 00:15:46,864 --> 00:15:51,076 was just as important as capturing the wall-crawler himself. 334 00:15:51,118 --> 00:15:56,081 Sam definitely was thoughtful about how to handle New York. 335 00:15:56,123 --> 00:15:59,626 He respected the audience and he respected the people of New York, 336 00:15:59,668 --> 00:16:01,170 and that was really nice to see. 337 00:16:01,211 --> 00:16:03,964 New York City is definitely its own character in the film. 338 00:16:04,006 --> 00:16:07,467 It ended up becoming a combination of the exteriors 339 00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:10,846 were all at the real location in New York, 340 00:16:10,888 --> 00:16:12,973 combined with interiors that were shot in LA. 341 00:16:13,015 --> 00:16:14,975 It was just very expensive to shoot in New York. 342 00:16:15,017 --> 00:16:18,145 I know the New York shoot days were much more expensive than the LA shoot days. 343 00:16:18,187 --> 00:16:20,397 I'd rather shoot at the White House. 344 00:16:20,439 --> 00:16:23,817 And for Steve, the phrase, "the city that never sleeps" 345 00:16:23,859 --> 00:16:26,445 was about to take on a new meaning. 346 00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:29,031 [Saeta] All the second unit in New York work was at nighttime. 347 00:16:29,072 --> 00:16:31,700 I would leave the hotel around 6:00. 348 00:16:31,742 --> 00:16:35,412 It was the only time in my life I was ever drinking wine at 06:00 or 07:00 in the morning. 349 00:16:35,454 --> 00:16:37,247 And he would need a drink. 350 00:16:37,289 --> 00:16:41,043 The day that Dykstra's Spidey Cam finally made its appearance. 351 00:16:41,084 --> 00:16:44,671 There was a cable rig that we did in New York. 352 00:16:44,713 --> 00:16:48,300 We I ran a cable, it was over a half a mile 353 00:16:48,342 --> 00:16:51,678 [Satriano] And it was going to go down and dip into the street and back up. 354 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,765 And because the camera cannot travel as fast as Spider-Man would, 355 00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:58,227 we sped up the camera so that we shot at a really slow rate 356 00:16:58,268 --> 00:17:01,480 and we had the cars going two miles an hour. 357 00:17:01,522 --> 00:17:05,817 We painted a big box on the street that said, "No cars go in here." 358 00:17:05,859 --> 00:17:09,821 But in New York, even stuntmen don't pay attention to road signs. 359 00:17:09,863 --> 00:17:13,157 Of course, the first take, one of the stunt drivers 360 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,744 pulled right into the box and parked there, 361 00:17:15,786 --> 00:17:17,788 and the camera went through the rear window. 362 00:17:19,790 --> 00:17:22,709 Although one of the toughest elements to crack would prove 363 00:17:22,751 --> 00:17:25,254 that the devil truly is in the details. 364 00:17:25,295 --> 00:17:27,297 Up, up and away, web! 365 00:17:27,339 --> 00:17:31,134 If there was an option to shoot something practical, Sam took it. 366 00:17:31,176 --> 00:17:33,762 But could webbing be shot practically? 367 00:17:33,804 --> 00:17:36,098 It was a question Sam needed answered. 368 00:17:36,138 --> 00:17:39,268 And it was decided that special effects 369 00:17:39,309 --> 00:17:43,188 would come up with a device to shoot out the webs. 370 00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:46,984 So one of the effects guys is going to test this thing. 371 00:17:47,025 --> 00:17:48,443 A lot of us gather around it. 372 00:17:48,484 --> 00:17:49,945 Everybody wants to see this thing. 373 00:17:49,987 --> 00:17:50,946 He holds it out. 374 00:17:52,531 --> 00:17:56,618 And this stuff, it flew all over. 375 00:17:56,660 --> 00:17:58,704 The guys laughed like hell. 376 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:00,455 The women were totally disgusted. 377 00:18:00,497 --> 00:18:04,917 This stuff looked like something that a man might ejaculate. 378 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,003 You had to be there. 379 00:18:08,255 --> 00:18:10,715 I do remember them building this thing 380 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:12,968 that may have been used for just the web coming out. 381 00:18:14,303 --> 00:18:18,974 And that was the end of practical web slinging. 382 00:18:19,016 --> 00:18:22,561 [Green Goblin] You spun your last Web, Spider-Man. 383 00:18:22,603 --> 00:18:26,023 Sam opted to let his VFX team handle this one. 384 00:18:26,064 --> 00:18:28,817 Creating the digital version of the Web 385 00:18:28,859 --> 00:18:32,821 and defining the look of that was an important feature in the movie. 386 00:18:33,864 --> 00:18:35,574 How do you make it look believable 387 00:18:35,616 --> 00:18:37,659 that a person is shooting webs out of their body? 388 00:18:39,453 --> 00:18:41,163 We studied spiders. 389 00:18:41,205 --> 00:18:44,750 We actually brought experts in on spiders and how webs are spun 390 00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:47,044 and where they come out of their bodies. 391 00:18:47,085 --> 00:18:48,879 It's more challenging than you'd imagine. 392 00:18:51,757 --> 00:18:53,967 But if they thought webs were their biggest problem, 393 00:18:54,009 --> 00:18:55,928 You're acting so strangely, Peter. 394 00:18:55,969 --> 00:18:57,596 It seemed things got harder, 395 00:18:57,638 --> 00:18:59,097 the smaller they went. 396 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:00,307 [Bottegoni] There's another shot that comes to mind 397 00:19:00,349 --> 00:19:02,226 where there's a close-up on his hand. 398 00:19:02,267 --> 00:19:05,479 Where you see these little hairs start to spring out of his his finger. 399 00:19:05,521 --> 00:19:08,398 That was a really hard shot to do back then, because again, 400 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,653 what do hairs sprouting out of somebody's flesh really looked like? 401 00:19:12,694 --> 00:19:14,988 And how do you make that look real and authentic? 402 00:19:15,030 --> 00:19:17,616 Our job was to make it never feel like 403 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:19,618 it was the computer graphics part of the movie, 404 00:19:19,660 --> 00:19:21,662 or this is where visual effects comes in. 405 00:19:21,703 --> 00:19:25,624 The struggle is to try to make big scale visual effects invisible. 406 00:19:25,666 --> 00:19:27,917 My sleepless nights are about these shots. 407 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,964 The biggest fear we all had was, are we going to be able to keep Sam happy? 408 00:19:32,005 --> 00:19:35,717 And he really wanted to have this film come to life, 409 00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:38,470 and it was a really ambitious project. 410 00:19:38,512 --> 00:19:41,723 And there was an expectation that we were going to do a lot of things 411 00:19:41,765 --> 00:19:43,767 that it frankly hadn't been done before. 412 00:19:43,809 --> 00:19:45,686 For me, it was a moment of panic, you know? 413 00:19:45,727 --> 00:19:47,311 Can we really do this? 414 00:19:49,690 --> 00:19:52,359 Sam Raimi was well into production on Spider-Man 415 00:19:52,401 --> 00:19:54,570 when Green Goblin designer Eric Hayden 416 00:19:54,611 --> 00:19:58,156 had his first encounter with, what back then, was known as 417 00:19:58,198 --> 00:20:01,159 the information superhighway. 418 00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:04,288 [Hayden] This was at the early days of Internet sleuthing, 419 00:20:04,329 --> 00:20:06,832 an image leaked of Willem Dafoe, 420 00:20:06,874 --> 00:20:10,669 and it was the first time on the Internet that I read I should be shot. 421 00:20:10,711 --> 00:20:12,421 [Green Goblin] Make him suffer. 422 00:20:12,462 --> 00:20:14,506 Make him wish he were dead. 423 00:20:14,548 --> 00:20:17,259 Anyone involved with the Green Goblin costume should be shot. 424 00:20:17,301 --> 00:20:20,762 And I thought, "Wow, it sucks. That sucks. We don't need this." 425 00:20:20,804 --> 00:20:21,847 I was bummed out. 426 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:23,724 With fans already nervous 427 00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:27,144 about the direction Sam was taking these beloved characters, 428 00:20:27,186 --> 00:20:30,272 the pressure was on the VFX team to deliver a hero 429 00:20:30,314 --> 00:20:32,273 that lived up to their expectations. 430 00:20:32,316 --> 00:20:35,319 You know, the big... ticket item of that movie at that time 431 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,779 was making Spider-Man be Spider-Man. 432 00:20:37,821 --> 00:20:41,617 ...i.e., climbing walls and swinging on webs through the sky. 433 00:20:41,657 --> 00:20:45,746 A challenging task, both creatively and logistically. 434 00:20:45,787 --> 00:20:50,542 There's always a push and pull between stunt people and visual effects people. 435 00:20:50,584 --> 00:20:54,296 I remember there being a lot of, you know, healthy tension. 436 00:20:54,338 --> 00:20:56,548 You know, is stunts making this decision, 437 00:20:56,590 --> 00:20:59,134 is production design ultimately the call? 438 00:20:59,176 --> 00:21:00,552 There's this Venn diagram 439 00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:02,638 of all of those responsibilities, 440 00:21:02,679 --> 00:21:04,681 and in that intersection is, 441 00:21:04,723 --> 00:21:05,807 you know, who's in control. 442 00:21:05,849 --> 00:21:07,142 And for the stunt team, 443 00:21:07,184 --> 00:21:08,894 sometimes the answer was obvious. 444 00:21:09,811 --> 00:21:11,730 It was a job for them. 445 00:21:11,772 --> 00:21:13,357 And the situation where he's... 446 00:21:13,398 --> 00:21:15,943 you could swing from an access point was easy. 447 00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:18,529 So, like in the first one where he goes into the windshield, 448 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:22,449 we had a crane and it could be the pick point that would work. 449 00:21:22,491 --> 00:21:25,452 But then there are other times where he would shoot the web somewhere. 450 00:21:25,494 --> 00:21:27,746 it would take supernatural strength. 451 00:21:27,788 --> 00:21:29,330 Nobody would be able to hold on. 452 00:21:31,542 --> 00:21:35,128 Everybody was trying for extreme everything. 453 00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:37,506 Extreme launches, extreme landings, 454 00:21:37,548 --> 00:21:39,675 extreme gymnastics while in the air. 455 00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:41,760 And even seemingly simpler stunts 456 00:21:41,802 --> 00:21:44,429 were proving to be too dangerous for the two. 457 00:21:47,850 --> 00:21:50,936 [Buckley] In the movie where, he first jumps from building to building to building, 458 00:21:50,978 --> 00:21:52,396 that was going to be a real stunt guy, 459 00:21:52,436 --> 00:21:53,730 and then they had problems. 460 00:21:53,772 --> 00:21:55,107 A lot of guys got hurt. 461 00:21:55,148 --> 00:21:57,276 They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. 462 00:21:57,317 --> 00:21:59,862 They could do that, and then they ended up doing that in 3D. 463 00:21:59,903 --> 00:22:02,321 ...which was easier said than done. 464 00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:05,534 As Sam was underestimating just how complex it would be 465 00:22:05,576 --> 00:22:07,369 to bring his vision to life. 466 00:22:07,411 --> 00:22:10,080 Sam is a very inventive filmmaker. 467 00:22:10,122 --> 00:22:13,834 He made a lot of films. He had never really worked with that technology before. 468 00:22:13,876 --> 00:22:17,129 And it was a little challenging because Sam definitely was of the mind, 469 00:22:17,171 --> 00:22:19,423 "You know, it's in the computer. You can do whatever you need to do." 470 00:22:19,464 --> 00:22:23,135 Computer salesman, computer engineer, computer analyst. 471 00:22:23,177 --> 00:22:25,637 In one regard, Sam Raimi wasn't wrong. 472 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:29,308 And for Lydia and the team, Digital Spidey was no sweat. 473 00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:31,810 The good news is, a body in a tight Lycra suit... 474 00:22:31,852 --> 00:22:33,311 It's tight and it's form-fitting. 475 00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:35,022 He has those tights and that tight little... 476 00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:36,148 ...butt. 477 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:38,400 Well, there's always a but. 478 00:22:38,442 --> 00:22:40,527 But bad part is, you don't see a face. 479 00:22:40,569 --> 00:22:41,778 He's a hero! 480 00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:43,071 Then why does he wear a mask? 481 00:22:43,113 --> 00:22:45,115 And that's where a lot of in-animation, 482 00:22:45,157 --> 00:22:46,867 the key to the success of, 483 00:22:46,909 --> 00:22:49,369 and the emotion of a character comes through. 484 00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:50,829 Cheese! 485 00:22:50,871 --> 00:22:52,748 [Bottegoni] The facial performance on Spider-Man 486 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:54,458 was kind of non-existent. 487 00:22:54,499 --> 00:22:56,210 During the filmmaking process, 488 00:22:56,251 --> 00:22:57,920 Sam realized very quickly, 489 00:22:57,961 --> 00:23:00,672 if you have a masked villain or hero, 490 00:23:00,714 --> 00:23:02,799 you're disconnecting from them. 491 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,093 So if you go back and watch the first movie, 492 00:23:05,135 --> 00:23:08,055 you'll notice several times where both Spider-Man 493 00:23:08,096 --> 00:23:10,474 and the Green Goblin lose their mask. 494 00:23:10,516 --> 00:23:12,309 - Mr. Osborn. - [Norman] Peter. 495 00:23:12,351 --> 00:23:14,978 A decision that would come as a relief for Tobey. 496 00:23:15,020 --> 00:23:18,898 He's claustrophobic, and he literally tore it off. 497 00:23:18,941 --> 00:23:21,734 But Lydia wouldn't have the same advantage. 498 00:23:21,777 --> 00:23:23,779 It's challenging to get life and emotion 499 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:25,321 out of a character when you can't see their face. 500 00:23:25,864 --> 00:23:27,449 Who are you? 501 00:23:27,491 --> 00:23:29,785 But there was another challenge facing the team. 502 00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:34,205 Just the small matter of digitally recreating New York City. 503 00:23:34,248 --> 00:23:38,752 After all the plates were photographed, we actually scanned digitally 504 00:23:38,794 --> 00:23:42,881 and recreated and built the entirety of the streets that we also filmed. 505 00:23:42,923 --> 00:23:47,511 So in a lot of cases, what you're seeing is CGI recreations 506 00:23:47,553 --> 00:23:50,597 with also real-world photography 507 00:23:50,638 --> 00:23:53,141 and actual filming that we did, blended together. 508 00:23:53,183 --> 00:23:55,352 The goal is that, you never know the difference. 509 00:23:55,394 --> 00:23:57,771 And with all the work the VFX team was doing, 510 00:23:57,813 --> 00:24:00,107 the costs were starting to grow. 511 00:24:00,148 --> 00:24:02,025 Dykstra, he was blowing money 512 00:24:02,067 --> 00:24:04,236 doing things that nobody had done before. 513 00:24:04,278 --> 00:24:07,446 At least 10% of the budget went to visual effects 514 00:24:07,489 --> 00:24:09,532 and probably was higher than that. 515 00:24:09,575 --> 00:24:12,327 [Burgess] The visual effects budget was astronomical. 516 00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:14,162 So there's always a moment, no matter how many days 517 00:24:14,204 --> 00:24:16,373 of shooting you have and how big your budget is, 518 00:24:16,415 --> 00:24:20,042 you're always going to have a point where you're going to have to rein it in. 519 00:24:20,085 --> 00:24:22,546 And so I remember at some point, Laura Ziskin saying, 520 00:24:22,588 --> 00:24:26,049 "We are way over in this department with these visual effects shots. 521 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:27,718 "Is there another way to do this?" 522 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:29,678 So Don went old school. 523 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,265 It's always fun to create some in-camera visual effects. 524 00:24:33,307 --> 00:24:36,643 I suggested we use a Translight, outside of New York City, 525 00:24:36,685 --> 00:24:38,270 with all the skyline in the background 526 00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:39,646 and eliminate the visual effects shots 527 00:24:39,688 --> 00:24:41,190 from this particular sequence. 528 00:24:41,231 --> 00:24:43,859 [Green Goblin] Think about it, Hero. 529 00:24:43,901 --> 00:24:46,111 Despite Don's cost-saving measures, 530 00:24:46,153 --> 00:24:48,571 the budget was ballooning in every department. 531 00:24:48,614 --> 00:24:53,535 Fifty stunt guys had come in for three months to build all these wire rigs. 532 00:24:53,577 --> 00:24:56,205 They literally spent almost $10 million. 533 00:24:56,246 --> 00:24:58,749 And a week before we were going to start shooting, 534 00:24:58,790 --> 00:25:02,169 the studio and Sam decided to change the ending. 535 00:25:02,211 --> 00:25:05,797 So all of that three months of work and that $10 million went buh-bye. 536 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:09,468 And even stunts were getting in on the cost cutting action. 537 00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:13,555 [Habberstad] Spider-Man leaps off the bridge, grabs the cable swings around. 538 00:25:13,597 --> 00:25:16,099 We did think that was going to be an all-CG shot. 539 00:25:16,141 --> 00:25:21,271 We actually did a 180-foot fall with Spider-Man,and Mary Jane. 540 00:25:21,313 --> 00:25:22,272 It's a really cool shot. 541 00:25:23,941 --> 00:25:26,318 Tobey wanted to come down for a rest when they were up there 542 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,153 hanging in the web together. 543 00:25:28,195 --> 00:25:31,156 Kirsten said she's outlasting him. 544 00:25:31,198 --> 00:25:35,536 Tobey shut up and he was good after that. 545 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:39,414 Of course, I think it was a really cool shot in the movie because it was real. 546 00:25:41,333 --> 00:25:45,546 It takes a lot of people to create these illusions because, you know, 547 00:25:45,587 --> 00:25:48,715 the price of doing these things is so high per day to shoot. 548 00:25:48,757 --> 00:25:52,219 So it puts a lot more pressure on everybody to perform. 549 00:25:52,261 --> 00:25:55,513 The pressure was on, but the team was rising to the occasion. 550 00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:58,934 It seemed like nothing could stop them. 551 00:26:00,853 --> 00:26:02,563 Well, almost nothing. 552 00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:07,901 Through the whole movie, we had not had the final sequence designed. 553 00:26:07,943 --> 00:26:09,278 Not for lack of trying, 554 00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:12,406 as the team had found the perfect location. 555 00:26:12,446 --> 00:26:16,702 Part of the old, I think, tuberculosis hospital on Roosevelt Island. 556 00:26:16,743 --> 00:26:18,494 There was only one issue... 557 00:26:18,537 --> 00:26:21,205 It was deemed unsafe so they ended up building that in Los Angeles. 558 00:26:24,084 --> 00:26:27,796 So the last month, we'd go over to the stage at lunch 559 00:26:27,838 --> 00:26:29,965 and just build the set to fit what we needed. 560 00:26:30,007 --> 00:26:33,886 I was just asking him for a little running water down here. 561 00:26:33,927 --> 00:26:35,929 We literally, developed it as we went 562 00:26:35,971 --> 00:26:39,057 and say, "Hey, build this wall." It turned out cool. 563 00:26:39,099 --> 00:26:41,393 As principal photography was wrapping, 564 00:26:41,435 --> 00:26:43,979 even though Sony had turned down Yair's deal 565 00:26:44,021 --> 00:26:46,273 for 25 of Marvel's properties. 566 00:26:46,315 --> 00:26:47,900 They were fucking idiots. 567 00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:49,943 Yair was still singing the praises of Spider-Man 568 00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:51,778 to anyone who would listen. 569 00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:53,864 I went to PlayStation and I said, 570 00:26:53,906 --> 00:26:56,575 "We're making Spider-Man. It's gonna be a gigantic hit." 571 00:26:56,617 --> 00:26:59,411 Would PlayStation like to make this title? 572 00:26:59,453 --> 00:27:00,996 And the answer came back, "No." 573 00:27:01,038 --> 00:27:03,248 PlayStation did believe in Spider-Man. 574 00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:06,710 And so we licensed it out to Activision. 575 00:27:06,752 --> 00:27:11,882 So I got passed on twice in terms of my belief in... in the MCU and in Spider-Man. 576 00:27:11,924 --> 00:27:16,261 It seemed that everyone had their doubts about Spider-Man. 577 00:27:16,303 --> 00:27:20,057 And as the pressure mounted, it remained to be seen if they were right. 578 00:27:23,769 --> 00:27:25,854 Deep into post production on Spider-Man, 579 00:27:25,896 --> 00:27:28,648 Sam had some big plans for the edit process, 580 00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:31,318 which was keeping everyone on their toes. 581 00:27:32,236 --> 00:27:34,279 A big visual effects movie 582 00:27:34,321 --> 00:27:36,657 or a movie where a lot of what's happening in the film 583 00:27:36,698 --> 00:27:39,076 happens after it's filmed, happens in post, 584 00:27:39,117 --> 00:27:42,538 means a really tight collaboration is needed. 585 00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:45,832 And a lot of that film was being found in the editing room. 586 00:27:45,874 --> 00:27:48,877 ...Which, in Hollywood, isn't that unusual. 587 00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:51,255 [Burgess] There's material that you write and the material you shoot. 588 00:27:51,296 --> 00:27:52,548 And then there's, you know, the film, 589 00:27:52,589 --> 00:27:53,965 ultimately, that you cut together. 590 00:27:54,007 --> 00:27:55,300 And Sam is very good about that. 591 00:27:55,342 --> 00:27:57,845 He's very good about taking that material 592 00:27:57,886 --> 00:28:00,472 and then creating something that's bigger than all of us. 593 00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:03,725 Impressive. Your parents must be very proud. 594 00:28:03,767 --> 00:28:06,728 And because he was still searching for the tone of the film, 595 00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:09,648 Raimi employed a trick he'd used on previous projects. 596 00:28:10,523 --> 00:28:11,984 On the first Spider-Man, 597 00:28:12,025 --> 00:28:14,319 there was a period of time where there were two editors. 598 00:28:14,361 --> 00:28:16,196 [Burgess] Given the same set of dailies, in essence, 599 00:28:16,238 --> 00:28:17,698 and they would both cut the scene together. 600 00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:19,116 And then he would look at both versions 601 00:28:19,157 --> 00:28:20,826 and they would go one way or another. 602 00:28:20,868 --> 00:28:22,953 It didn't seem like that lasted too long. 603 00:28:22,994 --> 00:28:26,582 At one point, we were told that Bob Murawski was the primary editor 604 00:28:26,623 --> 00:28:28,417 and we were going to be going off of his cut. 605 00:28:28,458 --> 00:28:30,460 Having partnered with Bob all the way back 606 00:28:30,502 --> 00:28:32,504 when he did Army of Darkness, 607 00:28:32,546 --> 00:28:35,215 Sam had someone who knew how he worked. 608 00:28:37,009 --> 00:28:38,677 Hail to the King, baby. 609 00:28:38,719 --> 00:28:43,015 He and his editor would be constantly throwing us curveballs 610 00:28:43,056 --> 00:28:46,476 and tinkering with things and coming up with new ideas. 611 00:28:46,518 --> 00:28:48,312 We used to refer to it as throwing us in the blender. 612 00:28:48,353 --> 00:28:50,772 Bob and Sam had a lot of new ideas 613 00:28:50,814 --> 00:28:52,399 once they saw the picture assembled, 614 00:28:52,441 --> 00:28:56,612 and wanted to start finding the feel of the movie. 615 00:28:56,653 --> 00:28:58,530 We got thrown in the blender a lot. 616 00:28:58,572 --> 00:29:01,950 And because of Sam's lack of experience with visual effects... 617 00:29:01,992 --> 00:29:04,494 He'd never really worked with that technology before. 618 00:29:04,536 --> 00:29:08,332 ...some of those new ideas were getting struck down by reality. 619 00:29:08,373 --> 00:29:11,752 I remember three quarters of the way in on the first one at some point, 620 00:29:11,793 --> 00:29:13,921 when we were trying to explain yet again 621 00:29:13,962 --> 00:29:15,631 why we can't just change that shot 622 00:29:15,672 --> 00:29:17,883 because we've done all of the computer animation for it 623 00:29:17,925 --> 00:29:20,427 and redoing it for this new idea. 624 00:29:20,469 --> 00:29:21,929 There just wasn't time. 625 00:29:21,970 --> 00:29:24,264 And I remember a moment where he said, 626 00:29:24,306 --> 00:29:27,142 "You know, on the next one, I'm going to be so much smarter about this. 627 00:29:27,184 --> 00:29:29,311 "I've learned about how this works 628 00:29:29,353 --> 00:29:32,898 "and how I need to work with the artists and the digital animators." 629 00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:34,358 And it really was true. 630 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:37,694 The first one was a a big learning curve for everybody. 631 00:29:37,736 --> 00:29:39,863 With the edit firing on all cylinders, 632 00:29:39,905 --> 00:29:41,907 the VFX team were able to deliver 633 00:29:41,949 --> 00:29:45,410 their CG shots to Dick Buckley, and the teaser trailer team. 634 00:29:45,452 --> 00:29:46,828 It was kept very secret. 635 00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:48,789 We did one test. 636 00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:51,375 But the final step before releasing the teaser to the world, 637 00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:54,670 was that dreaded Hollywood ritual, the focus group. 638 00:29:54,711 --> 00:29:56,880 Most people tripped out on it. 639 00:29:56,922 --> 00:29:58,423 Dick's just being humble. 640 00:29:58,465 --> 00:30:00,801 But with so much anticipation for the film, 641 00:30:00,843 --> 00:30:02,845 rumors were quickly spread online 642 00:30:02,886 --> 00:30:04,429 following the screening. 643 00:30:04,471 --> 00:30:06,640 [Buckley] People got on the Internet and started talking. 644 00:30:06,682 --> 00:30:09,268 And literally 30 minutes from the time it was screened, 645 00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:10,853 up pops people thinking 646 00:30:10,894 --> 00:30:13,897 that one of the bad guys is the brother from Frasier. 647 00:30:13,939 --> 00:30:15,691 It's really more of a compatibility thing. 648 00:30:15,732 --> 00:30:18,360 To be fair though, it could have been worse. 649 00:30:18,402 --> 00:30:21,154 Anyone involved with the Green Goblin costume should be shot. 650 00:30:21,196 --> 00:30:24,324 Slightly rattled by the fledgling world of social media, 651 00:30:24,366 --> 00:30:27,202 Sony released the teaser in July 2001. 652 00:30:27,244 --> 00:30:30,956 Dana's a genius at creating event marketing. 653 00:30:30,998 --> 00:30:32,416 She knew her stuff. 654 00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:35,252 And for Dana, anxiety turned to triumph 655 00:30:35,294 --> 00:30:37,838 that her big idea was paying off. 656 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,966 [Precious] The pressure on all of us was so huge. 657 00:30:41,008 --> 00:30:43,635 And then we released that trailer. 658 00:30:43,677 --> 00:30:45,929 We were so relieved when it finally got on the screen. 659 00:30:45,971 --> 00:30:49,558 I went to the theaters just to make sure the prints looked cool and stuff. 660 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,602 I was like, "Okay, the phone's going to ring." 661 00:30:51,643 --> 00:30:54,354 While Dick waited by the phone for his next job, 662 00:30:54,396 --> 00:30:56,773 the world experienced a plot twist 663 00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:58,859 that no one could have predicted. 664 00:30:58,901 --> 00:31:00,485 [Buckley] It was the second day of school. 665 00:31:00,527 --> 00:31:03,989 I was up to take my kids to school, and I'm watching the news. 666 00:31:04,031 --> 00:31:06,825 It's 8:52 here in New York. I'm Bryant Gumbel. 667 00:31:06,867 --> 00:31:09,077 We understand that there has been a plane crash 668 00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:10,829 on the southern tip of Manhattan. 669 00:31:10,871 --> 00:31:13,457 On September 11th, 2001, 670 00:31:13,498 --> 00:31:15,792 the unthinkable happened. 671 00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:19,421 And I called Dana, and I'm like, "Are you watching this? Now what?" 672 00:31:19,463 --> 00:31:22,758 It was incredibly emotional time. 673 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,468 And here we have a trailer, 674 00:31:25,385 --> 00:31:26,595 and our poster, 675 00:31:26,637 --> 00:31:28,931 that are featuring the twin towers. 676 00:31:28,972 --> 00:31:30,140 And that makes me want to cry. 677 00:31:32,643 --> 00:31:33,602 It was a really sad day. 678 00:31:35,771 --> 00:31:37,481 I remember being on the phone 679 00:31:37,523 --> 00:31:39,942 with our distribution department, 680 00:31:39,983 --> 00:31:42,444 and we're trying to get every trailer pulled. 681 00:31:42,486 --> 00:31:45,948 And every poster pulled from around the world. 682 00:31:47,783 --> 00:31:52,120 When no one was there because everyone's home, in shock. 683 00:31:52,162 --> 00:31:55,207 Luckily, with Sam Raimi deep in the edit process, 684 00:31:55,249 --> 00:31:58,293 and the VFX team cranking out more shots every day. 685 00:31:58,335 --> 00:32:02,881 there was now a pool of footage Dana could use from the film itself. 686 00:32:02,923 --> 00:32:07,719 We pivoted immediately to just going straight to a final trailer. 687 00:32:07,761 --> 00:32:12,599 And the final trailer really was the origin story for Peter Parker. 688 00:32:12,641 --> 00:32:15,394 [Peter] Not everyone is meant to make a difference. 689 00:32:15,435 --> 00:32:18,689 Being forced to abandon Sony's action heavy teaser, 690 00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:22,192 the new trailer would embrace all those elements of Raimi's vision 691 00:32:22,234 --> 00:32:24,069 the studio was nervous about. 692 00:32:24,111 --> 00:32:27,155 We made sure to get in, you know, the love story. 693 00:32:27,197 --> 00:32:30,659 He saved my life twice, and I've never even seen his face. 694 00:32:30,701 --> 00:32:32,536 That trailer, I'm proud to say, 695 00:32:32,578 --> 00:32:37,207 was the highest testing trailer and research in history. 696 00:32:37,249 --> 00:32:39,126 You are amazing. 697 00:32:39,168 --> 00:32:40,794 Sam had been vindicated, 698 00:32:40,836 --> 00:32:42,296 and audiences were eager 699 00:32:42,337 --> 00:32:44,798 to see this new kind of superhero movie. 700 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,885 [Precious] As I recall, it had, like, a 93% approval rating. 701 00:32:47,926 --> 00:32:52,723 I actually had Amy Pascal sign the research because it was so amazing. 702 00:32:52,764 --> 00:32:56,560 But there was another reason Spider-Man was resonating. 703 00:32:56,602 --> 00:33:01,190 9/11 heightened the emotions surrounding Spider-Man. 704 00:33:01,231 --> 00:33:05,110 People wanted a hero after 9/11. 705 00:33:05,152 --> 00:33:06,528 They wanted to believe in something 706 00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:08,572 bigger than themselves and better than themselves. 707 00:33:08,614 --> 00:33:12,659 And I think that Spider-Man resonated with people. 708 00:33:12,701 --> 00:33:15,329 And those ripples quickly became waves, 709 00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:17,289 not just for the trailer or the film, 710 00:33:17,331 --> 00:33:20,417 but for the movie business at large. 711 00:33:20,459 --> 00:33:25,881 [Landau] In some ways, we were first really big New York set film post-9/11. 712 00:33:25,923 --> 00:33:28,300 It's hard to conceive of, you know, 22 years later, 713 00:33:28,342 --> 00:33:31,303 but at the time it was really, really significant. 714 00:33:31,345 --> 00:33:33,430 We were acutely cognizant of that 715 00:33:33,472 --> 00:33:36,183 in terms of a bunch of decisions we made at the studio. 716 00:33:36,225 --> 00:33:39,144 With a looming release date just eight months away, 717 00:33:39,186 --> 00:33:43,065 the burden on Sam Raimi to deliver the kind of film the world wanted, 718 00:33:43,106 --> 00:33:46,026 and maybe needed, was heavier than ever. 719 00:33:46,068 --> 00:33:48,362 I mean, to say that the collective consciousness 720 00:33:48,403 --> 00:33:50,697 was in a bad place would be an understatement. 721 00:33:50,739 --> 00:33:52,783 It was just a... It was a bad time, man. 722 00:33:52,824 --> 00:33:55,077 Just a bad, bad time. 723 00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:03,085 The studio was beginning to embrace 724 00:34:03,126 --> 00:34:05,212 Sam Raimi's vision for Spider-Man. 725 00:34:05,254 --> 00:34:10,592 Yet lingering concerns about the film's action sequences still loomed large. 726 00:34:10,634 --> 00:34:14,596 So we'd go to do a sequence, and if it cost too much money, 727 00:34:14,638 --> 00:34:16,139 we'd have to trim it down. 728 00:34:16,181 --> 00:34:19,059 After the movie was over, the studio would look at it. 729 00:34:19,101 --> 00:34:21,478 And then, of course, want to embellish the actions. 730 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,230 Then the studio would give you more money 731 00:34:23,272 --> 00:34:24,857 and you'd go out and embellish it. 732 00:34:24,898 --> 00:34:27,025 And that meant reshoots. 733 00:34:27,067 --> 00:34:28,193 On the first Spider-Man, 734 00:34:28,235 --> 00:34:30,320 I think we had about a month of reshoots. 735 00:34:30,362 --> 00:34:32,906 And that would present new opportunities for Lisa. 736 00:34:32,948 --> 00:34:35,826 It was on reshoots that I became the first AD 737 00:34:35,868 --> 00:34:37,327 on the first unit, 738 00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:38,954 and one of my favorite sets 739 00:34:38,996 --> 00:34:41,707 in the first Spider-Man was the fire set. 740 00:34:44,376 --> 00:34:47,713 Where he rescues the baby and then has the fight with the Goblin. 741 00:34:47,754 --> 00:34:49,672 [Green Goblin] Are you in or are you out? 742 00:34:50,757 --> 00:34:52,509 It's you who's out, Gobby. 743 00:34:52,551 --> 00:34:55,094 Spider-Man and Green Goblin might have been on set, 744 00:34:55,137 --> 00:34:57,139 but Willem and Tobey got to stay home. 745 00:34:57,181 --> 00:34:58,390 [Spider-Man] Oh, great. 746 00:34:58,431 --> 00:35:00,350 They were when we shot the original. 747 00:35:00,392 --> 00:35:02,978 But when we did the reshoots, it was just the stunt guys 748 00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:04,396 picking up some of the fight. 749 00:35:04,438 --> 00:35:06,064 And filming flames up close 750 00:35:06,106 --> 00:35:09,735 made for a hot set in more ways than one. 751 00:35:09,776 --> 00:35:14,031 So 20 years ago, we would have real fire in the foreground. 752 00:35:14,072 --> 00:35:15,866 And visual effects would do the background. 753 00:35:15,908 --> 00:35:19,036 All of us crew at this time had to get in fire suits 754 00:35:19,077 --> 00:35:23,540 and respirators, in order to go in and shoot with real fire. 755 00:35:23,582 --> 00:35:26,793 With new action sequences out of the way, 756 00:35:26,835 --> 00:35:29,379 after his teaser trailer was pulled, 757 00:35:29,421 --> 00:35:31,547 Dick was still waiting for the phone to ring. 758 00:35:34,843 --> 00:35:38,305 Phone didn't ring. That little scenario screwed up my entire life. 759 00:35:38,347 --> 00:35:40,641 Because I couldn't show that trailer to anybody. 760 00:35:40,681 --> 00:35:41,975 And I was working in commercials. 761 00:35:42,017 --> 00:35:43,893 I couldn't even show it to agencies in New York 762 00:35:43,936 --> 00:35:46,146 because they were so upset about it. 763 00:35:46,188 --> 00:35:47,940 So that was kind of a drag. 764 00:35:47,981 --> 00:35:50,317 While Dick worked on getting his career back on track, 765 00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:54,404 Lydia and the VFX team were barely holding on. 766 00:35:54,446 --> 00:35:58,116 I remember deep into production when we were doing 767 00:35:58,158 --> 00:36:00,077 a lot of late nights and weekends... 768 00:36:00,118 --> 00:36:02,829 I'm sorry, I'm late. Work was murder. 769 00:36:02,871 --> 00:36:05,873 It was probably 10:00 at night, and I remember a moment 770 00:36:05,916 --> 00:36:07,835 driving home down Washington Boulevard. 771 00:36:07,876 --> 00:36:10,587 I stopped at a red light and I looked up and saw 772 00:36:10,629 --> 00:36:12,089 a billboard with Spider-Man on it 773 00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:14,341 that said the in-theater date on it. 774 00:36:14,383 --> 00:36:16,552 And I think I put my head down in my hands and thought, 775 00:36:16,593 --> 00:36:18,594 "Oh, my God, it's on the billboard. 776 00:36:18,637 --> 00:36:20,389 "We cannot miss that date." 777 00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:23,684 And hard deadlines meant hard decisions. 778 00:36:23,725 --> 00:36:28,772 As artists, everybody knows that you're never finished. 779 00:36:28,814 --> 00:36:30,983 The work is never really finished. 780 00:36:31,024 --> 00:36:34,820 We take everything to pretty good or good enough. 781 00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:37,906 Crap. Crap. Mega crap. 782 00:36:37,948 --> 00:36:40,534 And then it's like, how good is good enough? 783 00:36:40,576 --> 00:36:43,203 And how good is good enough, is partially my decision. 784 00:36:43,245 --> 00:36:45,080 It's partially the director's decision. 785 00:36:45,122 --> 00:36:47,123 Partially money, partially time. 786 00:36:47,165 --> 00:36:52,754 Sam's personality is that, "Let's go until the very end 787 00:36:52,796 --> 00:36:57,092 "and make everything as good as possible on all levels of the movie." 788 00:36:57,134 --> 00:36:58,594 And with that in mind, 789 00:36:58,635 --> 00:37:02,389 Sam Raimi made a last ditch, 11th-hour request. 790 00:37:02,431 --> 00:37:04,183 After the movie had wrapped and everything, 791 00:37:04,224 --> 00:37:06,685 they decided they wanted to do one more shot. 792 00:37:06,727 --> 00:37:08,896 [Lefler] Of Spider-Man swinging down the streets, 793 00:37:08,937 --> 00:37:11,440 and then he ends up on a flagpole with the American flag behind him. 794 00:37:15,819 --> 00:37:17,070 And I had storyboard of that. 795 00:37:17,112 --> 00:37:19,323 But I was quite surprised when I saw the movie 796 00:37:19,364 --> 00:37:22,284 that the whole sequence was there, 797 00:37:22,326 --> 00:37:23,911 because I don't know that that was scripted. 798 00:37:23,952 --> 00:37:26,580 I think that was just something I drew to suggest... 799 00:37:27,497 --> 00:37:31,043 uh, a strong visual ending. 800 00:37:31,084 --> 00:37:34,213 After a roller coaster of a production, 801 00:37:34,254 --> 00:37:37,216 the VFX team charged in one more time. 802 00:37:37,257 --> 00:37:39,468 So what we did in LA, 803 00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:43,430 was the part of Spidey flying down and then up. 804 00:37:43,472 --> 00:37:45,599 We did it downtown on a Sunday. 805 00:37:45,641 --> 00:37:49,143 The art department painted two intersections 806 00:37:49,186 --> 00:37:51,813 like in New York, where you don't block the box. 807 00:37:51,855 --> 00:37:54,608 We stopped traffic and we had a camera on a wire. 808 00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:56,693 The camera comes down and it zooms up. 809 00:37:56,735 --> 00:37:58,904 And when I saw the shot, I was like, "Wow, that's magic. 810 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,866 Just magic. 811 00:38:02,908 --> 00:38:06,119 [Dykstra] The final shot in the movie, required infinite care 812 00:38:06,161 --> 00:38:09,706 because it was, you know, the climax of the movie and it wanted to sync. 813 00:38:09,748 --> 00:38:12,751 [Stokdyk] One of my memories, I think, is of the artist working on the shot, 814 00:38:12,793 --> 00:38:16,338 sleeping under his desk, just like working on it full-time. 815 00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:18,632 To some extent, the end of these movies 816 00:38:18,674 --> 00:38:21,510 does become a blur because you're sleep-deprived 817 00:38:21,552 --> 00:38:24,596 and you're working around-the-clock and it's emotional. 818 00:38:24,638 --> 00:38:26,098 You know, you just want to do your best. 819 00:38:26,139 --> 00:38:27,891 But the question remained. 820 00:38:27,933 --> 00:38:31,854 How to properly address the sudden absence of the twin towers. 821 00:38:31,895 --> 00:38:34,898 I seem to remember that we actually put them in some shots 822 00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:37,276 that we shot post-9/11. 823 00:38:37,317 --> 00:38:39,611 And that included Raimi's final scene. 824 00:38:39,652 --> 00:38:41,321 I don't know that that Scott's decision 825 00:38:41,363 --> 00:38:42,739 on where to place the Twin Towers 826 00:38:42,781 --> 00:38:44,783 was actually an executive decision. 827 00:38:44,825 --> 00:38:48,328 I think that was Scott and John and the Imageworks team acting independently. 828 00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:50,163 [Stokdyk] So there was a conscious decision 829 00:38:50,205 --> 00:38:52,541 to not erase it from the landscape. 830 00:38:52,583 --> 00:38:54,251 But actually to add it back. 831 00:38:54,293 --> 00:38:56,003 Gone, but not forgotten. 832 00:38:57,129 --> 00:38:58,255 That was the right thing to do. 833 00:39:01,884 --> 00:39:05,179 The release date for Spider-Man was just around the corner, 834 00:39:05,219 --> 00:39:07,848 and Sony knew they were taking a big risk. 835 00:39:07,890 --> 00:39:10,225 They believed in it, obviously, and they thought that 836 00:39:10,267 --> 00:39:12,811 it was a really good movie that had the potential to attract an audience. 837 00:39:12,853 --> 00:39:14,354 But just because you make a really good movie 838 00:39:14,396 --> 00:39:15,647 and deliver it to the crowds 839 00:39:15,689 --> 00:39:17,315 doesn't mean that everybody's going to show up. 840 00:39:17,357 --> 00:39:20,110 On the opening day of May 3rd, 2002, 841 00:39:20,152 --> 00:39:22,321 they'd find out if it would pay off. 842 00:39:22,362 --> 00:39:24,198 [Precious] On Fridays, 843 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,700 we have a really good idea of how well it's going to do for the weekend 844 00:39:26,742 --> 00:39:28,493 because there's a mathematical formula. 845 00:39:28,535 --> 00:39:30,579 [O'Connell] And as they were hearing the numbers, 846 00:39:30,621 --> 00:39:32,789 the projections of what the opening weekend was going to be 847 00:39:32,831 --> 00:39:35,167 just kept growing higher and higher. 848 00:39:35,209 --> 00:39:38,921 The reaction was, "Oh, my fucking God. This is huge." 849 00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:41,340 This is the biggest movie opening of all time. 850 00:39:41,381 --> 00:39:43,300 [Sneider] Open to over $100 million, 851 00:39:43,342 --> 00:39:44,760 which I don't think any movie had ever done. 852 00:39:44,801 --> 00:39:46,762 - up until that point. - Sold out. 853 00:39:46,803 --> 00:39:51,225 We got these little plaques from the studio that had "114 million" on them. 854 00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:52,601 That was tremendous. 855 00:39:52,643 --> 00:39:54,436 It wasn't just about "Hey, we're making money." 856 00:39:54,478 --> 00:39:58,023 It was, "People love this movie and they're showing up in droves." 857 00:39:58,065 --> 00:40:00,984 But for Sony, who were desperate for a win... 858 00:40:01,026 --> 00:40:03,277 [Landau] Spider-Man kind of single-handedly changed 859 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,031 the economic fortunes of Sony Pictures. 860 00:40:06,073 --> 00:40:09,535 It was an unprecedented reaction for an opening weekend. 861 00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:11,786 And no one was more pleased than Dana. 862 00:40:11,828 --> 00:40:14,414 The feeling I felt was relief 863 00:40:14,456 --> 00:40:16,917 because there'd been so much pressure for so long. 864 00:40:16,959 --> 00:40:20,963 But it was more than just the box office making the film such a success. 865 00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:25,801 [Henderson] It was the first big movie that came out after 9/11, 866 00:40:25,843 --> 00:40:29,555 and I think people were desperate for something aspirational. 867 00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:32,140 Kind of the rise of the city in the film, I think 868 00:40:32,181 --> 00:40:35,018 was really emotionally significant to a lot of people at the time. 869 00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:37,521 [Spider-Man] Come on up here, joker. I got a little something for ya! 870 00:40:37,563 --> 00:40:40,023 The city helps Spider-Man defeat the Goblin. 871 00:40:40,065 --> 00:40:42,025 You mess with me, you mess with New York! 872 00:40:42,067 --> 00:40:44,570 You mess with one of us, you messed with all of us! 873 00:40:44,611 --> 00:40:46,321 And I think that was a current that was running 874 00:40:46,363 --> 00:40:47,739 through New York City at that time. 875 00:40:47,781 --> 00:40:50,200 This overwhelming sense of New York pride. 876 00:40:50,242 --> 00:40:52,494 Spider-Man sort of tapped into that 877 00:40:52,536 --> 00:40:55,664 in a way that didn't feel like it was capitalizing on it. 878 00:40:55,706 --> 00:40:56,748 He's not gonna make it. 879 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:58,041 He's gonna make it. 880 00:40:58,083 --> 00:40:59,751 Even if it hadn't made any money, 881 00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:01,503 I would still be very proud of it. 882 00:41:03,088 --> 00:41:04,672 And despite early stumbles, 883 00:41:04,715 --> 00:41:08,886 Sam Raimi had hit the mark for audiences in a big way. 884 00:41:08,927 --> 00:41:12,514 [Buckley] He introduced the genre as, like, human. 885 00:41:12,556 --> 00:41:15,726 You're not making a Tony Scott Chase film. It's first love. 886 00:41:15,767 --> 00:41:19,146 It can relate to everybody From 7th grade to 90. 887 00:41:19,188 --> 00:41:21,106 I love you so much, Peter. 888 00:41:21,148 --> 00:41:23,817 When Sam Raimi wanted Tobey Maguire, 889 00:41:23,859 --> 00:41:25,861 I remember the studio really rebelled 890 00:41:25,902 --> 00:41:28,113 because they didn't understand the franchise. 891 00:41:28,155 --> 00:41:30,657 Sam Raimi was right to want Tobey Maguire 892 00:41:30,699 --> 00:41:33,118 because he was exactly the franchise. 893 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,080 It had been an almost impossible needle to thread, but here it was. 894 00:41:37,122 --> 00:41:40,918 [Lefler] It was a rare a case where they really did put 895 00:41:40,959 --> 00:41:43,378 the right filmmaker in that position 896 00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:46,632 and gave him enough support. 897 00:41:46,672 --> 00:41:48,383 Despite becoming a scapegoat 898 00:41:48,425 --> 00:41:50,719 for the early studio reaction to the film, 899 00:41:50,761 --> 00:41:54,056 upon the movie's release, Doug was surprised by what he saw. 900 00:41:54,097 --> 00:41:57,726 They used everything that I did. They didn't reshoot any of it. 901 00:41:57,768 --> 00:42:00,145 If they had fired me because I didn't know 902 00:42:00,187 --> 00:42:02,564 how to direct action, then why did they use it? 903 00:42:02,606 --> 00:42:05,359 I was frustrated. 904 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,902 And that's a tough thing to bounce back from. 905 00:42:07,945 --> 00:42:11,949 I didn't re-watch the film for 20 years, and then I re-watched it. 906 00:42:11,989 --> 00:42:13,367 It holds up well. 907 00:42:13,408 --> 00:42:15,202 It is an emotionally engaging story, 908 00:42:15,244 --> 00:42:17,036 and Sam made a really a good film, 909 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:19,456 and I'm proud to have been a part of it. 910 00:42:19,498 --> 00:42:21,208 For Lydia and the VFX team, 911 00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:24,419 opening weekend was like the end of a two-year marathon. 912 00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:27,631 I think we had 24 hours of celebration 913 00:42:27,672 --> 00:42:29,508 and, you know, victory laughs. 914 00:42:31,134 --> 00:42:34,972 I wanna say, 24 hours later, I remember getting a call 915 00:42:35,013 --> 00:42:37,056 from one of the executives at the studio 916 00:42:37,099 --> 00:42:41,018 And literally, we were told, "Get ready for Spider-Man 2. 917 00:42:41,061 --> 00:42:43,689 "Keep your crew intact, you know, get everybody ready. 918 00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:45,357 "Because we're gonna be in theatres again 919 00:42:45,399 --> 00:42:47,484 "two years from this same weekend." 920 00:42:47,526 --> 00:42:51,446 The end of one thing, the start of something new. 921 00:42:51,488 --> 00:42:55,450 There's no way! There's no way I'm gonna do Spider-Man 2. 922 00:42:55,492 --> 00:42:56,910 This is the hardest show. 923 00:42:56,952 --> 00:43:00,080 I just so want to be done with this show. 924 00:43:00,122 --> 00:43:03,208 But as for Dick, well, the phone rang for him as well. 925 00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:04,418 I got to go back, though. 926 00:43:04,459 --> 00:43:06,295 Oh, my gosh, we have to do it all again? 927 00:43:06,335 --> 00:43:08,422 And we have to get it done in two years. 928 00:43:08,463 --> 00:43:11,341 And as the shine came off, that record-breaking weekend, 929 00:43:11,383 --> 00:43:13,594 the VFX team were among the first to line up 930 00:43:13,635 --> 00:43:16,763 at the starting line for Spider-Man 2. 931 00:43:16,805 --> 00:43:19,725 [Stokdyk] The quote John Dykstra gave us was, 932 00:43:19,766 --> 00:43:23,353 he wanted the best shot in Spider-Man 1 933 00:43:23,395 --> 00:43:26,190 to be the worst shot in Spider-Man 2. 934 00:43:26,231 --> 00:43:29,359 That direction set the bar higher than ever. 935 00:43:29,401 --> 00:43:31,945 Would the team be able to meet the moment? 936 00:43:31,987 --> 00:43:33,238 Only time would tell. 79663

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