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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,176 The future of the Lord of the Rings production 2 00:00:09,209 --> 00:00:10,276 was on the line. 3 00:00:10,310 --> 00:00:12,779 The realization came to everyone 4 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:14,648 that New Line could go under. 5 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:15,949 What do we do now? 6 00:00:16,015 --> 00:00:20,387 The idea was to do a huge press event in Cannes, 7 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:22,556 and then this huge party 8 00:00:22,656 --> 00:00:26,960 to pre-sell the international distribution rights. 9 00:00:28,128 --> 00:00:29,029 Huh. 10 00:00:29,396 --> 00:00:30,564 Everything hinged 11 00:00:30,631 --> 00:00:32,399 on an epic 20-minute sequence 12 00:00:32,466 --> 00:00:34,334 in the Mines of Moria 13 00:00:34,368 --> 00:00:37,204 that had been shot in just seven days. 14 00:00:37,204 --> 00:00:39,039 They wanted to really show the world 15 00:00:39,139 --> 00:00:42,009 how Lord of the Ringswas gonna look on screen. 16 00:00:42,075 --> 00:00:47,414 That this film was gonna be something really exciting. 17 00:00:47,414 --> 00:00:49,982 And then say, you know, "You can have the films, 18 00:00:50,017 --> 00:00:52,553 but you gotta give us money up front 19 00:00:52,886 --> 00:00:55,689 and you have to book all three films." 20 00:00:55,689 --> 00:00:58,792 New Lines' fate now rested in the hands 21 00:00:58,792 --> 00:01:00,694 of Weta's post production. 22 00:01:00,727 --> 00:01:02,095 There were time constraints. 23 00:01:02,162 --> 00:01:03,664 It was very short order. 24 00:01:03,697 --> 00:01:07,000 You only got one chance to get it right. 25 00:01:08,402 --> 00:01:11,071 But even with the dark cloud of dwindling funds 26 00:01:11,104 --> 00:01:12,206 hanging over them, 27 00:01:12,506 --> 00:01:15,742 and key cast and crew now on the French Riviera... 28 00:01:15,843 --> 00:01:17,277 [Mahaffie] We didn't stop filming. 29 00:01:17,344 --> 00:01:20,414 If we don't succeed, it won't be because we haven't put 30 00:01:20,414 --> 00:01:23,917 every last ounce of energy into this. 31 00:01:23,950 --> 00:01:25,452 ...through accidents... 32 00:01:25,452 --> 00:01:29,188 Sean got, like, 16 or 20 stitches. 33 00:01:29,188 --> 00:01:32,626 ...a director hell-bent on achieving his vision... 34 00:01:32,860 --> 00:01:35,229 Cast had got bigger, the crew had got bigger. 35 00:01:35,229 --> 00:01:38,232 ...production was already sailing 36 00:01:38,232 --> 00:01:40,033 unchartered waters. 37 00:01:40,033 --> 00:01:41,468 - Three films. - Three films. 38 00:01:41,568 --> 00:01:42,603 Three films at once. 39 00:01:42,703 --> 00:01:44,371 Don't you see this is madness? 40 00:01:44,438 --> 00:01:47,608 It was always going to be a lot of anxiety. 41 00:01:47,608 --> 00:01:50,444 Now with the release of the Fellowship of the Ring 42 00:01:50,444 --> 00:01:54,081 only seven months away, and a shaky financial future, 43 00:01:54,214 --> 00:01:55,883 would Peter Jackson's epic 44 00:01:55,916 --> 00:01:59,319 become just another failed film project? 45 00:01:59,419 --> 00:02:02,756 A just question, my liege. 46 00:02:35,788 --> 00:02:37,357 In Wellington, New Zealand, 47 00:02:37,357 --> 00:02:39,660 the clock was ticking for Weta Digital. 48 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:41,595 Time was fast running out 49 00:02:41,595 --> 00:02:43,764 to complete the Mines of Moria sequence 50 00:02:43,764 --> 00:02:46,500 to the standard required before its screening. 51 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,270 We couldn't show anything that had green screen 52 00:02:51,138 --> 00:02:53,941 because we all know that film reviewers can't look 53 00:02:53,974 --> 00:02:56,443 at green screen and understand what that shot's supposed to be. 54 00:02:56,476 --> 00:02:58,879 To bring the Mines of Moria to life 55 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:01,181 in such a short time would require 56 00:03:01,181 --> 00:03:04,985 a large cave-troll-sized effort. 57 00:03:04,985 --> 00:03:06,453 But within it... 58 00:03:06,486 --> 00:03:08,222 [Osborne] Peter saw an opportunity. 59 00:03:08,455 --> 00:03:10,724 What happens often in visual effects is, 60 00:03:10,724 --> 00:03:14,862 the visual effects team want as much time as they can for R&D 61 00:03:14,862 --> 00:03:17,231 and they don't really want us to get into 62 00:03:17,231 --> 00:03:19,166 starting to do shots until they feel confident 63 00:03:19,166 --> 00:03:21,001 and feel they won't be embarrassed. 64 00:03:21,034 --> 00:03:25,639 So, he used this as a tool to force them to get into production. 65 00:03:25,672 --> 00:03:28,542 And then, with the sequence almost completed, 66 00:03:28,809 --> 00:03:32,479 a last-minute suggestion from an unlikely source 67 00:03:32,645 --> 00:03:34,982 made the schedule even tighter. 68 00:03:35,015 --> 00:03:37,584 One of the assistant editors, a guy named Peter Skarratt, 69 00:03:37,651 --> 00:03:41,221 who I really admire quite a bit, he came to me and said, 70 00:03:41,221 --> 00:03:43,056 "You know, this is great, but there's a problem 71 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:45,559 because you haven't introduced the characters. 72 00:03:45,659 --> 00:03:48,762 Introduce the characters before we see the cave-troll sequence. 73 00:03:48,862 --> 00:03:52,933 And you haven't given us a lead out where this is going, 74 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,102 like, a teaser that gives some sense 75 00:03:55,102 --> 00:03:56,603 of what the shape of the movie's gonna be." 76 00:03:56,703 --> 00:03:58,539 So, Peter added those. 77 00:03:58,572 --> 00:04:00,507 He took the suggestion, added that. 78 00:04:00,574 --> 00:04:02,876 Added was scene setting up the Shire 79 00:04:02,910 --> 00:04:06,246 and the Hobbits, along with some of the principal villains 80 00:04:06,713 --> 00:04:08,916 and, of course, heroes. 81 00:04:09,016 --> 00:04:11,418 Along with snippets of Two Towers 82 00:04:11,518 --> 00:04:12,719 and Return of the King 83 00:04:13,187 --> 00:04:16,623 and a few battle scenes thrown in for good measure. 84 00:04:16,924 --> 00:04:19,626 They made it in time for Cannes. It was really great. 85 00:04:19,726 --> 00:04:21,128 They packed it up 86 00:04:21,228 --> 00:04:23,764 in the most secure package they could find... 87 00:04:24,464 --> 00:04:26,633 Dean Lyons' carry-on. 88 00:04:26,733 --> 00:04:28,936 So, I carried a hard drive to France. 89 00:04:29,036 --> 00:04:31,271 It wasn't, like, something we could send. 90 00:04:31,738 --> 00:04:33,807 It was way too important. 91 00:04:33,907 --> 00:04:36,076 With the air mail safely delivered... 92 00:04:36,443 --> 00:04:37,878 Everything was riding on this. 93 00:04:37,911 --> 00:04:39,580 ...the real work began. 94 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,415 [Osborne] Bob Shaye took a gigantic risk. 95 00:04:41,448 --> 00:04:44,985 Peter hadn't done anything of this magnitude. 96 00:04:45,052 --> 00:04:49,223 There wasn't a huge movie star in the film. 97 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:52,826 We had distributors from Europe, from Asia, 98 00:04:52,892 --> 00:04:54,962 Australia, from all, all over. 99 00:04:54,962 --> 00:04:56,396 Half the Shire's been invited. 100 00:04:56,463 --> 00:05:01,635 And what we were asking, very upfront, a lot of money. 101 00:05:01,735 --> 00:05:04,404 Even if the first one did work, 102 00:05:04,438 --> 00:05:08,775 they still had to pay for the other two. 103 00:05:08,842 --> 00:05:12,980 So, on May the 11th, 2001, 104 00:05:13,013 --> 00:05:16,483 distributors and the world-wide press sat down 105 00:05:16,483 --> 00:05:19,452 to decide the fate of Lord of the Rings. 106 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,258 And that room full of people lost their minds. 107 00:05:32,933 --> 00:05:34,501 Aah! 108 00:05:36,036 --> 00:05:37,337 The people went nuts. 109 00:05:37,437 --> 00:05:40,474 I get the chills right now, even remembering that. 110 00:05:40,541 --> 00:05:42,176 It was brilliant. 111 00:05:42,276 --> 00:05:43,644 You work very hard on something, 112 00:05:43,644 --> 00:05:45,312 you're not quite sure how it's gonna look. 113 00:05:45,312 --> 00:05:46,847 It was a pretty exciting moment for all of us 114 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,282 that were able to see that footage. 115 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:50,817 I thought, "Wow, this is gonna blow people's minds." 116 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:52,853 I've never seen anything like this. 117 00:05:52,853 --> 00:05:55,656 The Mines of Moria sequence in particular 118 00:05:55,689 --> 00:05:57,690 had people begging for more. 119 00:05:57,991 --> 00:05:59,860 A lot more. 120 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:02,863 That whole sequence is so much of the essence 121 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:04,464 of what this franchise is about. 122 00:06:04,498 --> 00:06:07,467 It looks beautiful, it's intense, it's emotional. 123 00:06:07,534 --> 00:06:10,003 Gandalf! 124 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:12,673 What they did in that room was, they blew everybody's mind 125 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:14,241 in the middle of the Cannes Film Festival, 126 00:06:14,241 --> 00:06:16,910 where you're there to see high-minded art 127 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:19,379 from around the world by the greatest filmmakers working, 128 00:06:19,479 --> 00:06:21,481 Twenty minutes of Lord of the Rings 129 00:06:21,481 --> 00:06:23,884 stole the oxygen of that entire festival. 130 00:06:25,853 --> 00:06:28,388 The thing that at least my friends were talking about were, 131 00:06:28,422 --> 00:06:30,089 "This looks exactly like I imagined it, 132 00:06:30,157 --> 00:06:32,892 this looks exactly the way it was described in the book." 133 00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:36,163 You work very hard on something, you're not quite sure how it's gonna look 134 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:38,599 and getting to see that footage was an eye-opener. 135 00:06:38,665 --> 00:06:41,001 I think we realized that we were part of something 136 00:06:41,335 --> 00:06:43,837 that was at a higher level of anything that we'd done before. 137 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:47,040 [Osborne] I decided to sneak into the theater 138 00:06:47,074 --> 00:06:50,677 and just sit down anonymously behind three British reporters. 139 00:06:50,844 --> 00:06:53,046 One of them turned to the other one and said, 140 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,115 "Gee, I thought Tolkien was gonna be boring." 141 00:06:55,182 --> 00:06:57,751 And I knew then that we had a film 142 00:06:57,784 --> 00:06:59,753 that was working really, really well. 143 00:06:59,853 --> 00:07:02,755 But perhaps no one was quite as elated 144 00:07:02,755 --> 00:07:05,025 as the foreign distributors. 145 00:07:05,092 --> 00:07:08,295 Distributors came out with tears. 146 00:07:08,362 --> 00:07:10,531 I remember, I think it was Samuel Hadida 147 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:11,798 went up to Mark Ordesky 148 00:07:11,865 --> 00:07:14,201 and, like, grabbed him and started kissing him. 149 00:07:14,234 --> 00:07:21,275 I mean, they were just thrilled and just stunned 150 00:07:21,275 --> 00:07:24,745 at what they had seen and the potential of the film. 151 00:07:24,745 --> 00:07:27,481 And after several successful screenings, 152 00:07:27,548 --> 00:07:29,216 they packed it up and went home. 153 00:07:29,249 --> 00:07:30,384 Oh, no, you don't. 154 00:07:30,384 --> 00:07:31,418 Just kidding. 155 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:32,986 They had a huge party afterwards. 156 00:07:38,892 --> 00:07:43,597 Basically reconstructed the Shire, everything. 157 00:07:43,597 --> 00:07:45,332 It was phenomenal. 158 00:07:45,332 --> 00:07:47,334 There had never been anything like this 159 00:07:47,401 --> 00:07:51,939 to really introduce these films as something spectacular. 160 00:07:52,773 --> 00:07:54,341 Yeah, it was, it was exciting. 161 00:07:54,441 --> 00:07:56,677 It's a great party at Cannes, lots of people. 162 00:07:56,743 --> 00:07:58,645 I'm sure New Line spent a lot of money on it. 163 00:07:58,745 --> 00:08:02,282 $2 million, to be precise. 164 00:08:02,349 --> 00:08:03,517 All the cast where there. 165 00:08:03,584 --> 00:08:05,319 A lot of the key crew were there. 166 00:08:05,352 --> 00:08:07,654 Even Peter Jackson got all dolled up 167 00:08:07,654 --> 00:08:09,690 and put on a nice suit. 168 00:08:10,123 --> 00:08:12,659 But he refused to put on shoes and we were like, 169 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:15,162 "Peter, at least put on sandals or something." 170 00:08:15,262 --> 00:08:17,664 But with shoes on or off, 171 00:08:17,698 --> 00:08:21,602 New Line could feel a bit of a spring in Peter's step. 172 00:08:21,668 --> 00:08:23,937 They realized that Peter was a true auteur 173 00:08:24,004 --> 00:08:26,607 and the team around him were delivering something 174 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,810 that was gonna be a lot more than what they imagined. 175 00:08:29,877 --> 00:08:33,280 With everyone drunk on Hobbit ale and elvish wine, 176 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,183 New Line's sales department got to work. 177 00:08:36,283 --> 00:08:38,218 We did it. We did it successfully. 178 00:08:38,318 --> 00:08:39,653 And by the end of Cannes, 179 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:42,054 New Line had closed all the foreign pre-sales. 180 00:08:42,054 --> 00:08:45,025 And with that, the party could truly begin. 181 00:08:45,359 --> 00:08:49,296 For some, though, the victories were more than financial. 182 00:08:49,296 --> 00:08:51,732 These were really male films, 183 00:08:51,798 --> 00:08:55,569 but the deals we negotiated were mostly all with men. 184 00:08:55,636 --> 00:09:01,008 And I was very, very proud to be a woman representing this. 185 00:09:01,074 --> 00:09:03,977 My team had a lot of really strong women 186 00:09:04,011 --> 00:09:07,347 and I'm really proud to have been a part of it. 187 00:09:07,414 --> 00:09:08,381 Yeah. 188 00:09:08,715 --> 00:09:10,583 And there was a lot to be proud of. 189 00:09:10,984 --> 00:09:13,921 I truly think once Cannes happened, 190 00:09:14,021 --> 00:09:16,924 that's the moment that everybody exhales for the first time. 191 00:09:17,024 --> 00:09:18,158 That was good. 192 00:09:18,192 --> 00:09:20,527 It was maybe the biggest moment of hype 193 00:09:20,561 --> 00:09:23,030 I've ever witnessed and deservedly. 194 00:09:23,096 --> 00:09:26,033 That was so successful that everything changed. 195 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:28,535 With a newly earned hype, 196 00:09:28,535 --> 00:09:32,739 the relationship between Peter and New Line changed as well. 197 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,075 I know that there were worries about the budget blowing out, 198 00:09:35,107 --> 00:09:37,511 that, you know, that the cast had got bigger, 199 00:09:37,544 --> 00:09:39,580 the crew had got bigger. More was being spent. 200 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,083 I think there was an assurance after that footage at Cannes 201 00:09:43,217 --> 00:09:46,119 that this was gonna be worth the money that they were spending. 202 00:09:46,220 --> 00:09:48,455 Arriving back in New Zealand, 203 00:09:48,522 --> 00:09:51,458 Peter Jackson and his team got back to work, 204 00:09:51,892 --> 00:09:54,628 albeit with a strong wind in their sails. 205 00:09:54,628 --> 00:09:56,263 The floodgates opened, you know? 206 00:09:56,296 --> 00:09:58,432 But it didn't feel like a completely different movie. 207 00:09:58,532 --> 00:10:01,201 Peter knew what he was doing and he didn't, 208 00:10:01,468 --> 00:10:03,570 even if they gave him three times the money, 209 00:10:03,604 --> 00:10:06,139 he wasn't gonna turn it into something else all of a sudden. 210 00:10:06,139 --> 00:10:09,042 You know? I think he knew he'd found the right language 211 00:10:09,042 --> 00:10:11,712 for the film before they got the cash injection. 212 00:10:11,778 --> 00:10:13,780 A lot of the pressure was taken off of us. 213 00:10:13,881 --> 00:10:15,816 But not all the pressure. 214 00:10:15,883 --> 00:10:19,052 We knew we had to have it finished for December that year. 215 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:21,655 With six months till the end of the year, 216 00:10:21,755 --> 00:10:24,558 production kicked it up into high gear. 217 00:10:24,625 --> 00:10:26,660 At one point, we had, like, four or five units 218 00:10:26,727 --> 00:10:29,062 shooting onto the two islands. 219 00:10:29,129 --> 00:10:30,397 And it was like at one point, 220 00:10:30,429 --> 00:10:33,967 we had four Orlandos shooting simultaneously 221 00:10:34,067 --> 00:10:35,502 on four different parts of the island. 222 00:10:35,802 --> 00:10:38,138 And if you're wondering how that was possible... 223 00:10:38,238 --> 00:10:41,107 We had so many Orlando doubles. I think we had seven. 224 00:10:41,175 --> 00:10:45,345 All of which would soon become very necessary. 225 00:10:45,913 --> 00:10:46,914 We were filming 226 00:10:46,947 --> 00:10:49,183 and we had nearly finished 227 00:10:49,183 --> 00:10:50,751 the, the sequence, 228 00:10:50,851 --> 00:10:55,189 but one of the shots that we had left was aerobatic, 229 00:10:55,255 --> 00:10:57,824 acrobatic of mounting onto the horse. 230 00:10:58,592 --> 00:10:59,993 And he fell off the horse. 231 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:04,865 He fell badly, and I think he fell onto some hard rocks. 232 00:11:04,965 --> 00:11:07,768 And they were all very concerned that he'd damaged his spine. 233 00:11:07,868 --> 00:11:10,636 Orlando was quickly rushed to the local hospital. 234 00:11:10,804 --> 00:11:12,606 But he was fine, he was out the next day. 235 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,675 And he was very sore, but that was it. 236 00:11:15,175 --> 00:11:19,446 Whatever luck you all live by, let's hope it lasts the night. 237 00:11:19,479 --> 00:11:21,881 And the production breathed a sigh of relief, 238 00:11:21,949 --> 00:11:25,719 having avoided what could have been a very costly mistake. 239 00:11:25,719 --> 00:11:27,721 Peter's very good. He says, "Okay, quick, 240 00:11:27,788 --> 00:11:30,891 get the Orlando double ready. Who's doing it today?" 241 00:11:30,991 --> 00:11:32,659 You know, nothing's gonna stop us filming, 242 00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:35,362 just have to adjust what we are filming. 243 00:11:35,462 --> 00:11:37,831 Even if the injuries were starting to pile up. 244 00:11:37,898 --> 00:11:39,900 It was leaning over them and saying... 245 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:43,737 Squeal. No one's gonna save you now. 246 00:11:43,837 --> 00:11:45,639 Then they had this sword which were real 247 00:11:45,706 --> 00:11:47,541 and I kinda donged him on the head with it. 248 00:11:48,308 --> 00:11:50,177 He's sort of bleeding just very slightly. 249 00:11:50,244 --> 00:11:52,479 You know, then a few days later, we're doing the next scene 250 00:11:52,513 --> 00:11:54,014 and I get kicked in the face. 251 00:11:55,148 --> 00:11:58,252 Similar thing, they were trying to find 252 00:11:58,318 --> 00:12:01,554 Merry and Pippin and they came upon this encampment 253 00:12:01,588 --> 00:12:03,357 where the Uruk-hai were in. 254 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:05,392 Aragorn thought that they were dead. 255 00:12:05,492 --> 00:12:07,327 So, he kicked a helmet. 256 00:12:08,729 --> 00:12:11,398 And broke his toe... Kicking the helmet. 257 00:12:14,034 --> 00:12:16,236 Which is in the movie, and he kept on going. 258 00:12:16,336 --> 00:12:18,005 He didn't let that stop him 259 00:12:18,038 --> 00:12:20,107 and it probably added to his performance. 260 00:12:20,207 --> 00:12:22,009 But I know... It was very painful. 261 00:12:23,544 --> 00:12:27,080 It was an absolute marathon of energy 262 00:12:27,114 --> 00:12:30,551 and draining long days and long nights. 263 00:12:30,617 --> 00:12:32,753 Keep breathing, that's the key. 264 00:12:32,852 --> 00:12:35,622 There was a sense of, "We can't afford to fail. 265 00:12:35,722 --> 00:12:39,226 We've been given this opportunity to film 266 00:12:39,226 --> 00:12:41,929 one of the most amazing pieces of literature 267 00:12:42,029 --> 00:12:44,298 and it's our responsibility 268 00:12:44,298 --> 00:12:47,401 to do everything we can to make it a success." 269 00:12:48,302 --> 00:12:49,436 The Lord of the Rings 270 00:12:49,436 --> 00:12:52,639 production schedule was relentless. 271 00:12:52,706 --> 00:12:55,142 Never before had a studio committed 272 00:12:55,142 --> 00:12:59,646 to shooting a complete trilogy in one straight run. 273 00:12:59,746 --> 00:13:01,715 It was a massive logistical challenge. 274 00:13:01,782 --> 00:13:05,385 Two hundred and sixty six main unit principal photography days 275 00:13:05,419 --> 00:13:07,453 for three movies, but we did have the luxury 276 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:09,289 of numerous units running at times, 277 00:13:09,289 --> 00:13:11,892 you know, second units, a second, second unit, 278 00:13:11,958 --> 00:13:13,594 blue-screen units, miniature units. 279 00:13:13,627 --> 00:13:16,763 But no one was more embedded than Peter Jackson. 280 00:13:16,830 --> 00:13:18,465 For days, Peter would sit at a monitor 281 00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:20,067 and he would call... He would look 282 00:13:20,067 --> 00:13:21,268 directly across to another monitor 283 00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:23,070 which was a feed from second unit 284 00:13:23,102 --> 00:13:25,472 and pick up the phone and make performance notes, 285 00:13:25,506 --> 00:13:27,241 continuity notes, whatever it might be. 286 00:13:27,274 --> 00:13:29,476 He had his head around things like I've never seen 287 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:31,945 anyone juggle prior to, or previously, I don't think. 288 00:13:31,979 --> 00:13:34,081 With The Fellowship of the Rings release date 289 00:13:34,081 --> 00:13:35,449 rapidly approaching, 290 00:13:35,482 --> 00:13:39,253 it was time for Jackson to narrow his focus. 291 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:41,655 [Sauron] The hour is later than you think. 292 00:13:41,755 --> 00:13:43,423 Lord of the Rings, we always talk about 293 00:13:43,457 --> 00:13:44,857 they made all the films together. 294 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:47,961 That's sort of a misnomer. There was an extended process 295 00:13:47,995 --> 00:13:49,596 by which all three of those films were made. 296 00:13:49,663 --> 00:13:52,032 But at a certain point, they narrowed 297 00:13:52,032 --> 00:13:54,001 everyone's interest to Fellowship of the Ring 298 00:13:54,001 --> 00:13:55,369 because it became very clear... 299 00:13:55,669 --> 00:13:58,472 "This is all ambitious, this is all great, 300 00:13:58,539 --> 00:14:01,107 but we have a movie that has to be in theaters 301 00:14:01,141 --> 00:14:04,678 Christmas of 2001 and it has to work. 302 00:14:04,778 --> 00:14:06,146 And we're terrified." 303 00:14:06,213 --> 00:14:08,048 So, Peter focused his attention 304 00:14:08,048 --> 00:14:10,617 on the first film, The Fellowship of the Ring. 305 00:14:11,118 --> 00:14:13,520 It was important to everyone that the first film worked 306 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:16,523 and he put most of his energy into that. 307 00:14:16,623 --> 00:14:18,625 But his many second units 308 00:14:18,659 --> 00:14:21,228 kept chugging away at the latter two films. 309 00:14:21,328 --> 00:14:22,563 He had second-unit directors 310 00:14:22,629 --> 00:14:24,965 working on Helm's Deep, for example. 311 00:14:25,032 --> 00:14:29,203 The enormity of the battle certainly got my attention. 312 00:14:29,303 --> 00:14:31,338 John Mahaffie was now in charge 313 00:14:31,405 --> 00:14:33,974 of the biggest battle scene in the history of cinema, 314 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:35,676 an intimidating prospect. 315 00:14:35,676 --> 00:14:36,910 Your friends are with you, Aragorn. 316 00:14:37,010 --> 00:14:39,146 The main gaffer, Brian Bansgrove, 317 00:14:39,179 --> 00:14:41,248 who was legendary, said, 318 00:14:41,348 --> 00:14:44,751 "This one's gonna sort out the men from the boys 319 00:14:44,852 --> 00:14:47,321 and I intend to finish it a man." 320 00:14:48,255 --> 00:14:49,890 [Alley] It's kind of legendary 321 00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:51,725 in the New Zealand film industry now 322 00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:54,261 for just the worst, most difficult, 323 00:14:54,361 --> 00:14:57,030 impossible shoot that anyone's ever done. 324 00:14:57,064 --> 00:14:59,666 And while there were many reasons for this, 325 00:14:59,666 --> 00:15:04,037 the first was simply the sheer number of people needed. 326 00:15:04,037 --> 00:15:08,575 We had 200 extras that we could get in close to. 327 00:15:08,675 --> 00:15:10,844 That's 200 extras 328 00:15:10,878 --> 00:15:15,249 that would serve as the models for the 10,000 Orcs. 329 00:15:15,349 --> 00:15:17,584 We hadn't really had those sort of numbers of extras 330 00:15:17,584 --> 00:15:19,953 in New Zealand before, so just things like, you know, 331 00:15:19,953 --> 00:15:21,388 "When do we give them the swords? 332 00:15:21,421 --> 00:15:22,789 When do we put the masks on them?" 333 00:15:22,890 --> 00:15:24,725 And unfortunately for Matt, 334 00:15:25,025 --> 00:15:27,928 he was the one tasked with figuring it out. 335 00:15:28,529 --> 00:15:29,763 Well, I was in charge of the Orc army, 336 00:15:29,796 --> 00:15:31,098 getting them dressed into their armor 337 00:15:31,131 --> 00:15:32,866 and coming up with different looks. 338 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:34,935 In fact, the prosthetics guys would say to me, 339 00:15:34,968 --> 00:15:36,270 "This is kind of a hillbilly look," 340 00:15:36,303 --> 00:15:38,705 or "This is kind of a rock and roll guy," 341 00:15:38,739 --> 00:15:39,706 which was kind of fun. 342 00:15:39,973 --> 00:15:42,276 Which leads to the second reason 343 00:15:42,276 --> 00:15:45,479 why this was such a long, arduous shoot. 344 00:15:45,579 --> 00:15:48,115 The stunt players, they'd be there in their rubber suits, 345 00:15:48,148 --> 00:15:49,216 heads on. 346 00:15:49,249 --> 00:15:51,752 We could film for 15, 20 minutes. 347 00:15:51,818 --> 00:15:54,488 If we didn't stop at that point and take their heads off, 348 00:15:54,555 --> 00:15:57,491 some of them would actually expire through lack of oxygen. 349 00:15:57,591 --> 00:15:59,826 And with the battle taking place in the rain, 350 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:04,164 it was untenable to constantly douse the Orcs in water. 351 00:16:04,831 --> 00:16:06,834 To keep them looking wet, really wet, 352 00:16:06,934 --> 00:16:09,570 there were literally buckets of K-Y Jelly. 353 00:16:09,636 --> 00:16:11,171 So, it was 354 00:16:11,271 --> 00:16:13,273 I mean, everyone got over the jokes very quickly. 355 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:15,843 But, you know, you just slop it on and it stays wet. 356 00:16:16,176 --> 00:16:18,145 The result was a mosh pit 357 00:16:18,145 --> 00:16:22,082 of extras covered in latex and lube. 358 00:16:22,516 --> 00:16:25,285 It was a lot of what we call "organized chaos". 359 00:16:25,352 --> 00:16:28,522 'Cause the actual battle scene is chaotic and accidents galore. 360 00:16:29,623 --> 00:16:31,325 And no one would know this better 361 00:16:31,325 --> 00:16:33,260 than stunt man Sala Baker 362 00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:35,462 who portrayed many of the Uruk-hai. 363 00:16:35,696 --> 00:16:38,532 Sala Baker, he got hit by one of the horses 364 00:16:38,599 --> 00:16:41,201 and I think we measured he flew through the air 20 feet 365 00:16:41,201 --> 00:16:42,436 before he hit the ground again. 366 00:16:42,469 --> 00:16:44,938 With so many swords and weapons, 367 00:16:44,972 --> 00:16:48,041 even the principal cast were bound to get hit. 368 00:16:48,175 --> 00:16:51,545 Viggo was sword fighting and the stunt guy 369 00:16:51,645 --> 00:16:54,047 hit Viggo right across the mouth and broke a tooth. 370 00:16:55,682 --> 00:16:59,386 And the tooth fell out into the mud and muck of the set 371 00:16:59,486 --> 00:17:01,021 and Viggo just picked it up. 372 00:17:01,121 --> 00:17:02,823 And walked right over 373 00:17:02,823 --> 00:17:05,058 to the special effects department to see if... 374 00:17:05,058 --> 00:17:06,727 We could just Super-Glue it back on. 375 00:17:06,827 --> 00:17:09,196 While they said "No" to the Super Glue, 376 00:17:09,196 --> 00:17:11,665 they did offer to send him to a dentist. 377 00:17:11,732 --> 00:17:13,534 He said, "No, no, I'm gonna keep going. 378 00:17:13,567 --> 00:17:15,169 I don't have to go to the dentist." 379 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:17,404 The Battle of Helm's Deep 380 00:17:17,471 --> 00:17:19,705 was turning into an extreme sport. 381 00:17:20,174 --> 00:17:22,743 I said to Peter at one point, 382 00:17:22,843 --> 00:17:26,213 "When Legolas is trying to rescue Gimli, 383 00:17:26,246 --> 00:17:29,249 why doesn't he throw a shield on the ground 384 00:17:29,316 --> 00:17:32,252 and ride it down the stairs like a snow board?" 385 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:34,821 Executed to perfection 386 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:37,191 by stunt man Morgan Evans. 387 00:17:37,858 --> 00:17:39,259 And if ever I mention to someone, 388 00:17:39,326 --> 00:17:41,728 "Oh, I was double for Legolas in those movies," 389 00:17:41,828 --> 00:17:43,664 that's the thing they remember, you know? 390 00:17:43,664 --> 00:17:45,933 'Cause it was just so cool and so slick. 391 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,436 Jones' unorthodox inspiration continued, 392 00:17:49,536 --> 00:17:53,106 while observing the Uruk-hai performance between takes. 393 00:17:53,173 --> 00:17:55,943 These guys that looked like big, ugly Uruk-hai 394 00:17:55,943 --> 00:17:59,580 with their hats off, they were like a football team 395 00:17:59,580 --> 00:18:01,882 or, you know, for us in New Zealand, 396 00:18:01,882 --> 00:18:05,586 a rugby team that were committed to get across the line. 397 00:18:05,586 --> 00:18:07,221 But with the constant start 398 00:18:07,221 --> 00:18:08,856 and stop of production... 399 00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:10,724 the team had to find ways 400 00:18:10,724 --> 00:18:13,359 to stay awake during the long nights. 401 00:18:13,427 --> 00:18:16,797 The boys would stand around and one of them would sing 402 00:18:16,797 --> 00:18:19,532 and then they would starting to dance in these suits 403 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,102 that I had said to Peter, 404 00:18:22,236 --> 00:18:25,739 "Why don't we do, like, the Maori haka?" 405 00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,474 Which is a war challenge. 406 00:18:27,975 --> 00:18:30,077 Often performed before matches 407 00:18:30,077 --> 00:18:32,279 by the New Zealand national rugby team. 408 00:18:32,646 --> 00:18:35,782 And so, that came in as they started the chant... 409 00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:42,890 ...that built up to their moment of their charging. 410 00:18:44,625 --> 00:18:46,159 This clever addition, 411 00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:48,896 along with several other punch-ups and rewrites 412 00:18:48,896 --> 00:18:52,299 was the third reason why filming the epic battle 413 00:18:52,299 --> 00:18:53,934 took so long. 414 00:18:54,101 --> 00:18:56,503 There's Two Towers footage that you can see 415 00:18:56,603 --> 00:18:59,573 that they shot with Arwen at the Battle of Helm's Deep. 416 00:19:00,007 --> 00:19:02,009 The remnants of an early script, 417 00:19:02,009 --> 00:19:05,479 which featured the elvish princess more prominently. 418 00:19:05,946 --> 00:19:08,515 She was supposed to come and fight as well. 419 00:19:08,949 --> 00:19:10,617 Because if you recall, 420 00:19:10,951 --> 00:19:12,786 she was supposed to be... 421 00:19:12,853 --> 00:19:14,421 A female warrior. 422 00:19:14,488 --> 00:19:16,990 But they took that out because it just kind of 423 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:19,626 didn't make sense from a narrative point of view. 424 00:19:19,693 --> 00:19:22,095 So, they decided to replace her with Haldir. 425 00:19:22,162 --> 00:19:25,965 Not just Haldir, but a whole battalion of elves. 426 00:19:25,965 --> 00:19:28,836 We are proud to fight alongside men once more. 427 00:19:29,336 --> 00:19:31,004 Meanwhile, the changes 428 00:19:31,038 --> 00:19:33,674 only extended production on the battle. 429 00:19:34,007 --> 00:19:38,111 We filmed there for a long, long time. All nights. 430 00:19:38,178 --> 00:19:40,280 And you were just basically, you know, waiting 431 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,482 till the sun came up and then you could pretty much go home. 432 00:19:42,850 --> 00:19:45,886 Fatigue began to cast its long shadow 433 00:19:45,953 --> 00:19:47,054 over the production. 434 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,056 After about a couple of months, they'd go in 435 00:19:49,056 --> 00:19:51,892 and people were weird, in a funny mood 436 00:19:51,992 --> 00:19:54,027 because they weren't seeing any daylight. 437 00:19:54,127 --> 00:19:58,699 We had one person out there who was threatening 438 00:19:58,732 --> 00:20:03,704 to jump off the set, you know, suicide attempt. 439 00:20:04,872 --> 00:20:09,409 One of the crew became disorientated 440 00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:12,212 and climbed inside the tower. 441 00:20:12,479 --> 00:20:14,815 Which, while only a miniature, 442 00:20:14,815 --> 00:20:17,351 was still 40 feet tall. 443 00:20:17,584 --> 00:20:21,455 Fortunately, we were able to assure him 444 00:20:21,455 --> 00:20:25,826 and get him down for help and diffuse the situation 445 00:20:25,859 --> 00:20:28,362 that could have literally been tragic. 446 00:20:28,428 --> 00:20:31,098 It kind of impressed upon all of us 447 00:20:31,198 --> 00:20:33,233 that we needed to look out for each other, 448 00:20:33,567 --> 00:20:36,837 that we needed to be able to be honest with each other 449 00:20:36,837 --> 00:20:41,708 about the pressures that people were experiencing. 450 00:20:42,376 --> 00:20:44,278 With a renewed sense of brotherhood, 451 00:20:44,278 --> 00:20:45,846 filming continued. 452 00:20:46,046 --> 00:20:47,414 But there was trouble ahead. 453 00:20:48,248 --> 00:20:50,417 The epic Battle of Helm's Deep 454 00:20:50,717 --> 00:20:54,354 had pushed John Mahaffie's second unit to the brink. 455 00:20:54,421 --> 00:20:56,857 We'd be in a studio and then the first studio go, 456 00:20:56,857 --> 00:20:58,025 "That's a wrap on Helm's Deep." 457 00:20:58,090 --> 00:20:59,459 And then we'd be doing another studio, 458 00:20:59,526 --> 00:21:01,195 "That's a wrap on Helm's Deep" and by the third time, 459 00:21:01,228 --> 00:21:03,063 it's like, "Really? Are you sure we're wrapped 460 00:21:03,096 --> 00:21:04,364 or are we gonna do something else?" 461 00:21:04,631 --> 00:21:06,733 But the war was far from over 462 00:21:06,967 --> 00:21:10,737 and new challenges emerged with each and every scene. 463 00:21:11,205 --> 00:21:15,809 This particular day, we were to film the sequence at Minas Tirith. 464 00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:20,214 And my steady-cam operator was away 465 00:21:20,247 --> 00:21:23,550 at a dental appointment. 466 00:21:23,617 --> 00:21:25,786 And not wanting to lose the day... 467 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,923 I put on the steady cam, so we roll the camera 468 00:21:29,957 --> 00:21:31,325 and I say, "Action," 469 00:21:31,391 --> 00:21:34,328 and I'm sort of running backwards through this market 470 00:21:34,328 --> 00:21:37,898 and Peter comes round onto our set and says, 471 00:21:37,965 --> 00:21:40,567 "That's great, let's do this one, we'll try this." 472 00:21:40,601 --> 00:21:43,737 And so we do another take. He goes, "Oh, that's great. 473 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:45,405 Let's do another, we'll try this." 474 00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:50,310 And it was like, 15 takes later, I'm going, "Ahh." 475 00:21:50,410 --> 00:21:52,145 It was becoming apparent 476 00:21:52,179 --> 00:21:53,981 that to film this epic story, 477 00:21:53,981 --> 00:21:56,250 it would require total commitment. 478 00:21:56,416 --> 00:21:59,786 I got to do some of the training with a horse called Brownie 479 00:21:59,853 --> 00:22:01,855 for the scene where the horse sits down on Viggo 480 00:22:01,922 --> 00:22:03,357 and lets him get on. It was a scene 481 00:22:03,423 --> 00:22:05,926 that I think Peter was a bit dubious about doing. 482 00:22:05,926 --> 00:22:08,962 He didn't want his horse to sit down on his lead actor's face. 483 00:22:09,696 --> 00:22:11,431 Thankfully, his leading man 484 00:22:11,431 --> 00:22:13,000 was up for the challenge. 485 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,470 He would come out after work to ride the horse, 486 00:22:16,503 --> 00:22:18,438 to feed the horse, to groom the horse. 487 00:22:18,472 --> 00:22:20,674 He totally believed that if you were gonna bond with a horse, 488 00:22:20,707 --> 00:22:22,542 you should spend as much time as possible. 489 00:22:22,643 --> 00:22:25,012 That was Viggo. He would live in the field with the horse. 490 00:22:25,112 --> 00:22:28,015 He and the horse were as one. 491 00:22:28,048 --> 00:22:29,383 But it took him months. 492 00:22:29,950 --> 00:22:31,952 He is incredibly dedicated. 493 00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:33,887 And we shot there on the day 494 00:22:33,887 --> 00:22:35,722 and it was kind of the horse did it perfectly. 495 00:22:38,058 --> 00:22:40,227 He's kind of almost like a horse whisperer. 496 00:22:41,128 --> 00:22:42,729 While the horses could be tamed, 497 00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:46,300 the same couldn't be said for the weather. 498 00:22:46,366 --> 00:22:48,202 We were shooting in a place called Skipper's Canyon. 499 00:22:48,302 --> 00:22:51,471 It was the scene where Arwen is one side of the river 500 00:22:51,505 --> 00:22:54,907 and the Nazgul are on the other, and we'd filmed the day before 501 00:22:55,209 --> 00:22:56,076 and then there was 502 00:22:56,243 --> 00:22:57,978 an unseasonable fall of snow that night. 503 00:22:58,011 --> 00:23:00,080 It started snowing very, very hard. 504 00:23:00,147 --> 00:23:02,516 And we knew that we had to keep filming with those horses 505 00:23:02,516 --> 00:23:03,684 at another location, 506 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:05,719 so we literally had to ride them out of there. 507 00:23:05,752 --> 00:23:07,721 Otherwise they would have got us stuck in there for days. 508 00:23:08,255 --> 00:23:10,390 With the weather closing in on one side 509 00:23:10,424 --> 00:23:13,359 and a 400-foot drop into the canyon on the other, 510 00:23:13,427 --> 00:23:15,762 the team of wranglers had to work together 511 00:23:16,063 --> 00:23:17,431 to get out alive. 512 00:23:17,531 --> 00:23:19,867 I couldn't see the horse in front of me, 513 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:22,736 the blizzard was kind of, the snow was coming straight into our faces. 514 00:23:22,836 --> 00:23:26,273 So, that was a moment where we really had to trust 515 00:23:26,273 --> 00:23:29,343 both ourselves and our mount to get out safely, yeah. 516 00:23:29,676 --> 00:23:31,778 But to be honest, each location 517 00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:33,714 tested the ingenuity and resilience 518 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:35,182 of the New Zealand crew, 519 00:23:35,449 --> 00:23:38,352 including the sleepy town of Twizel. 520 00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:41,855 That whole area in the south island was inhabited by, 521 00:23:41,922 --> 00:23:44,590 you know, millions upon millions of rabbits once upon a time. 522 00:23:45,092 --> 00:23:46,460 And fuzzy rabbits 523 00:23:46,527 --> 00:23:48,462 make fuzzy rabbit homes. 524 00:23:48,561 --> 00:23:50,063 And each time we galloped, 525 00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:52,766 the horses would stumble into these rabbit holes 526 00:23:53,066 --> 00:23:55,636 and we had hundreds of people with sandbags 527 00:23:55,702 --> 00:23:57,871 filling in these rabbit holes in between takes 528 00:23:58,205 --> 00:24:01,041 to make it safe for the 300 horses to gallop on. 529 00:24:01,074 --> 00:24:02,409 And shooting in the north 530 00:24:02,409 --> 00:24:05,811 was potentially equally catastrophic. 531 00:24:05,913 --> 00:24:09,148 It was a open desert in the middle of the north island. 532 00:24:09,249 --> 00:24:10,784 A perfect location 533 00:24:10,817 --> 00:24:12,252 for the Mordor sets. 534 00:24:12,553 --> 00:24:16,723 Well, except for the one explosive detail. 535 00:24:16,757 --> 00:24:18,959 There was mines underground. 536 00:24:19,259 --> 00:24:21,128 Luckily, the nearby military base 537 00:24:21,161 --> 00:24:22,162 offered their support. 538 00:24:22,296 --> 00:24:23,664 "So, we're gonna have to be 539 00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:24,965 on set to kind of help you out" 540 00:24:24,998 --> 00:24:26,433 and then it was also turned into, 541 00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:29,603 "Well, you guys are military, you guys march. 542 00:24:29,603 --> 00:24:34,174 You guys wanna just be Gondor's army for this scene right here? 543 00:24:34,241 --> 00:24:35,008 That'd be great." 544 00:24:35,576 --> 00:24:37,344 So, like, many New Zealanders, 545 00:24:37,344 --> 00:24:39,613 they too decided to pitch in. 546 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,915 And while the horses survived the rabbit holes 547 00:24:41,949 --> 00:24:44,251 and the military survived the minefield, 548 00:24:44,618 --> 00:24:47,688 one hobbit couldn't make it past the sandy beach. 549 00:24:47,788 --> 00:24:51,625 Sean got, like, 16 or 20 stitches. 550 00:24:51,692 --> 00:24:52,926 Quite a big cut. 551 00:24:53,327 --> 00:24:54,695 When an errant stick 552 00:24:54,761 --> 00:24:57,965 pierced the Hobbit through his oversized feet. 553 00:24:58,031 --> 00:25:00,334 So, I had to cut the bottom of the foot off, 554 00:25:00,334 --> 00:25:04,505 this blob of clear plasma dropped. 555 00:25:04,605 --> 00:25:08,842 And then Elijah came over with a stick and started poking it. 556 00:25:10,143 --> 00:25:12,346 Sean would make a full recovery 557 00:25:12,546 --> 00:25:15,616 and thankfully, he wouldn't have to get wet again. 558 00:25:16,049 --> 00:25:18,018 He could not or would not go in the water. 559 00:25:18,051 --> 00:25:21,321 So, green screen DP, Nigel Bluck, 560 00:25:21,355 --> 00:25:23,557 was tasked with the impossible. 561 00:25:24,191 --> 00:25:26,994 I remember getting that call, "Ah, can you figure out a way 562 00:25:26,994 --> 00:25:30,063 to shoot dry for it?" I had no idea, none. 563 00:25:30,163 --> 00:25:33,700 But I do have a good knowledge about water and being in water, 564 00:25:33,734 --> 00:25:36,170 I've grown up around that, so I sort of broke it down 565 00:25:36,203 --> 00:25:37,371 and figured out. 566 00:25:37,404 --> 00:25:38,571 We just shot at very high speed, 567 00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:39,740 used a lot of wind to make 568 00:25:39,806 --> 00:25:41,575 his skin move as it should. 569 00:25:41,675 --> 00:25:43,243 Put his cape on wires. 570 00:25:43,377 --> 00:25:45,345 It was, you know, very simple. 571 00:25:45,379 --> 00:25:46,914 Once again, proving 572 00:25:46,914 --> 00:25:50,517 the ingenuity and resilience of The Lord of the Rings crew. 573 00:25:50,584 --> 00:25:52,886 Bare bones, we made things up. 574 00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:55,055 We built things to do things, 575 00:25:55,055 --> 00:25:57,758 we did things in very basic ways sometimes. 576 00:25:57,824 --> 00:25:58,992 And it worked. 577 00:26:00,527 --> 00:26:02,329 If production on Lord of the Rings 578 00:26:02,362 --> 00:26:04,031 was a logistical nightmare, 579 00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:07,334 then post production was sure to be no easier. 580 00:26:07,568 --> 00:26:09,002 And like all things on this film, 581 00:26:09,069 --> 00:26:11,505 it was complicated in the sense that Peter had a great idea. 582 00:26:11,571 --> 00:26:13,106 He was gonna have three editors. 583 00:26:13,207 --> 00:26:15,843 John Gilbert editing Fellowship of the Ring. 584 00:26:16,243 --> 00:26:19,112 Michael J. Horton editing Two Towers 585 00:26:19,613 --> 00:26:22,950 and Jamie Selkirk editing Return of the King. 586 00:26:23,217 --> 00:26:25,519 And that he would be able to go from one cutting room 587 00:26:25,552 --> 00:26:27,788 to another on all three films 588 00:26:27,855 --> 00:26:29,289 and he could get it all done in a year, 589 00:26:29,356 --> 00:26:30,590 but that was not possible. 590 00:26:31,124 --> 00:26:33,260 So, with a rapidly approaching deadline, 591 00:26:33,393 --> 00:26:35,896 Peter Jackson was forced to pivot. 592 00:26:35,963 --> 00:26:37,898 So, we did have three editors 593 00:26:37,965 --> 00:26:40,534 and they were cutting during production. 594 00:26:40,901 --> 00:26:46,406 But he couldn't physically and mentally be so engaged 595 00:26:46,406 --> 00:26:47,875 in all three films at the same time. 596 00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:49,309 But given the scope 597 00:26:49,376 --> 00:26:52,646 of Peter Jackson's vision, New Line had doubts 598 00:26:52,713 --> 00:26:55,883 whether he could even deliver the first film on time. 599 00:26:56,215 --> 00:26:58,417 Lord of the Ringsdirector, Peter Jackson, 600 00:26:58,417 --> 00:27:00,053 wasn't the only one struggling 601 00:27:00,087 --> 00:27:02,823 to juggle three mammoth films at once. 602 00:27:03,423 --> 00:27:05,325 I tried to ignore the other two movies. 603 00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:08,662 Editor John Gilbert had to keep his blinkers on. 604 00:27:08,996 --> 00:27:12,633 I saw my movie as a complete article on its own 605 00:27:12,633 --> 00:27:15,234 and I tried not to think about the other two. 606 00:27:15,302 --> 00:27:16,737 I was barely involved. 607 00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:18,505 Adding to the complications 608 00:27:18,571 --> 00:27:21,074 was the shift from film to digital. 609 00:27:21,508 --> 00:27:23,677 Peter had a regular editor, Jamie Selkirk, 610 00:27:23,744 --> 00:27:25,012 he'd worked with a lot. 611 00:27:25,112 --> 00:27:27,481 And he was used to editing on film. 612 00:27:27,513 --> 00:27:31,185 But I'd been working on Avid for maybe four years, 613 00:27:31,251 --> 00:27:32,085 I suppose, by then. 614 00:27:32,152 --> 00:27:33,453 So, John was hired 615 00:27:33,487 --> 00:27:36,423 for his expertise with this new software, Avid, 616 00:27:36,455 --> 00:27:38,959 that was revolutionizing the film industry 617 00:27:39,026 --> 00:27:41,695 and allowing post teams to edit faster. 618 00:27:41,795 --> 00:27:44,698 I mean, it's an incredibly elaborate task, 619 00:27:44,765 --> 00:27:45,933 making a film like this. 620 00:27:46,266 --> 00:27:48,502 Peter Jackson's high shooting rate 621 00:27:48,535 --> 00:27:52,105 meant there was almost an infinite amount of choices. 622 00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:55,542 Some days, I would get so much footage just to view it all 623 00:27:55,542 --> 00:27:58,111 and then try and construct a sequence out of it 624 00:27:58,178 --> 00:28:00,113 and then be ready for the next day's footage 625 00:28:00,147 --> 00:28:01,448 was quite daunting. 626 00:28:01,515 --> 00:28:04,618 More than 6 million feet of film 627 00:28:04,651 --> 00:28:06,453 would be shot for the trilogy, 628 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,224 which is how John ended up with a four-hour rough cut. 629 00:28:10,324 --> 00:28:11,892 The film was quite long. 630 00:28:11,992 --> 00:28:13,193 Too long. 631 00:28:13,227 --> 00:28:15,362 And there was only one thing for that. 632 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,636 I was concerned about the length at times and I would try 633 00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:26,039 and find things I thought that I could take aside and say, 634 00:28:26,073 --> 00:28:28,407 "This'll be good for the DVD extras," 635 00:28:28,475 --> 00:28:30,878 so it was a way of saying, "All is not lost." 636 00:28:30,978 --> 00:28:32,412 Because some of them had expensive 637 00:28:32,412 --> 00:28:33,680 visual effects were done 638 00:28:33,847 --> 00:28:36,583 and it becomes a commitment to them being in the film 639 00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:39,686 once they sort of are so extensively worked on. 640 00:28:40,354 --> 00:28:42,523 Nevertheless, fitting the whole scope 641 00:28:42,556 --> 00:28:45,192 of Tolkien's Middle Earth into the first film 642 00:28:45,225 --> 00:28:47,361 was a lot of responsibility. 643 00:28:48,028 --> 00:28:51,164 I didn't really care about the fans, to be honest. 644 00:28:51,198 --> 00:28:52,699 I just wanted the film to work 645 00:28:52,766 --> 00:28:55,335 as its own entity and to make sense. 646 00:28:55,335 --> 00:28:57,771 I didn't want you to have to know the books 647 00:28:57,838 --> 00:28:59,339 to enjoy the film. 648 00:28:59,439 --> 00:29:01,508 So, John made sure audiences 649 00:29:01,508 --> 00:29:04,578 never lost focus on the main character's journey. 650 00:29:05,045 --> 00:29:07,214 The audience has to run with Frodo. 651 00:29:07,281 --> 00:29:10,884 If the narrative wasn't talking about Frodo or the ring, 652 00:29:10,951 --> 00:29:11,885 it had to be cut. 653 00:29:11,952 --> 00:29:14,254 I will take the ring to Mordor. 654 00:29:14,354 --> 00:29:17,224 [Gilbert] He's a little guy who takes on this huge mission 655 00:29:17,291 --> 00:29:20,627 and I wanted the audience to really empathize with him 656 00:29:20,694 --> 00:29:23,897 taking it on and see his act of courage for what it was. 657 00:29:24,298 --> 00:29:26,066 And while Frodo's sacrifice 658 00:29:26,066 --> 00:29:28,435 was something all audiences could relate to, 659 00:29:28,869 --> 00:29:31,738 John and Peter struggled with how to properly 660 00:29:31,738 --> 00:29:34,408 drop audiences into Middle Earth. 661 00:29:35,242 --> 00:29:38,745 [Galadriel] It began with the forging of the great rings. 662 00:29:39,646 --> 00:29:42,382 Eventually, having Philippa Boyens write 663 00:29:42,416 --> 00:29:45,552 a near 7-minute-long prologue. 664 00:29:45,986 --> 00:29:48,956 That was a real struggle, trying to find the rhythm of it, 665 00:29:48,989 --> 00:29:51,225 the weight of the various elements. 666 00:29:51,291 --> 00:29:54,161 [Galadriel] Nine rings were gifted to the race of men. 667 00:29:54,228 --> 00:29:56,396 [Gilbert] And there was a lot of different elements to it, 668 00:29:56,396 --> 00:29:59,233 so it was shot very piecemeal. 669 00:29:59,299 --> 00:30:01,568 [McWeeny] The prologue was something that took shape 670 00:30:01,568 --> 00:30:03,904 over several different iterations of this, 671 00:30:03,937 --> 00:30:06,607 is necessary, I think, in order to drop the world in. 672 00:30:06,673 --> 00:30:09,009 [Galadriel] In the fires of Mount Doom. 673 00:30:09,009 --> 00:30:10,677 But it's also a big ask. 674 00:30:10,744 --> 00:30:12,279 You're asking an audience to absorb 675 00:30:12,346 --> 00:30:14,448 this massive amount of material up front 676 00:30:14,481 --> 00:30:17,184 and you're gambling that the normies, 677 00:30:17,284 --> 00:30:19,353 the people that aren't alreadyLord of the Rings fanatics, 678 00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:22,856 aren't going to be absolutely baffled 679 00:30:22,856 --> 00:30:24,157 by what you're throwing at them. 680 00:30:24,157 --> 00:30:25,325 [Gilbert] It was so important. 681 00:30:25,425 --> 00:30:27,861 We sort of fiddled with it for a long time 682 00:30:27,961 --> 00:30:29,696 to make sure that it was just right. 683 00:30:29,796 --> 00:30:32,099 'Cause while it may be hard to believe, 684 00:30:32,099 --> 00:30:34,001 there were plenty of folks back then 685 00:30:34,034 --> 00:30:36,670 that were unfamiliar with what a Hobbit was. 686 00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:39,706 And so, Peter Jackson figured he could hook 687 00:30:39,773 --> 00:30:42,709 uninitiated audiences with one thing. 688 00:30:42,709 --> 00:30:45,112 Peter wanted there to be something epic 689 00:30:45,145 --> 00:30:47,181 right from the start, rather than we have to wait 690 00:30:47,181 --> 00:30:48,649 for the third film to see the big battles. 691 00:30:48,682 --> 00:30:51,051 It's like, "Let's put a big battle right at the start." 692 00:30:52,719 --> 00:30:56,223 We had elves and Orcs and men 693 00:30:56,290 --> 00:30:58,725 all fighting together in this big battle. 694 00:31:04,298 --> 00:31:06,066 Die-hard fans, on the other hand, 695 00:31:06,066 --> 00:31:09,036 would need something a little more tantalizing. 696 00:31:09,036 --> 00:31:13,707 [Gollum] My precious. 697 00:31:13,807 --> 00:31:16,710 We had very few Gollum shots in the first film. 698 00:31:16,743 --> 00:31:19,546 So, they made sure to include him in the prologue. 699 00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:21,248 A tease of him, 'cause obviously, 700 00:31:21,315 --> 00:31:25,219 they were working on the digital Gollum right until the very end. 701 00:31:26,053 --> 00:31:27,421 The prologue also meant 702 00:31:27,487 --> 00:31:30,057 the trilogy would need to establish its storyteller, 703 00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:31,592 the voice of the film. 704 00:31:31,825 --> 00:31:33,093 But who should that be? 705 00:31:33,694 --> 00:31:35,929 At first, it was going to be Frodo. 706 00:31:36,496 --> 00:31:38,699 Then they considered Gandalf. 707 00:31:39,032 --> 00:31:41,935 Ahh, if you can have anyone do a voice-over, 708 00:31:42,002 --> 00:31:43,337 anyone do narration, 709 00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:45,205 just let Cate Blanchett do all of it. 710 00:31:45,272 --> 00:31:48,041 Unfortunately, the late call on narrator 711 00:31:48,041 --> 00:31:50,043 meant a late call to Sydney. 712 00:31:50,110 --> 00:31:51,378 Peter and Fran couldn't go. 713 00:31:51,445 --> 00:31:53,614 So, they asked Barrie to supervise. 714 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,449 I was tapped in by phone. 715 00:31:55,849 --> 00:31:57,384 And while the Australian actress 716 00:31:57,417 --> 00:31:59,086 recorded her lines from afar, 717 00:31:59,186 --> 00:32:02,389 she definitely didn't phone it in. 718 00:32:02,756 --> 00:32:06,126 [Galadriel in elvish] I amar presten. 719 00:32:06,126 --> 00:32:08,428 The world is changed. 720 00:32:09,263 --> 00:32:11,231 I feel it in the water. 721 00:32:13,066 --> 00:32:15,569 I remember, it was breathtaking. 722 00:32:15,602 --> 00:32:17,037 I was just blown away. 723 00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:19,139 Take one was perfect. 724 00:32:19,239 --> 00:32:21,542 But without Peter and Fran's feedback, 725 00:32:21,642 --> 00:32:23,644 Cate wasn't convinced. 726 00:32:23,744 --> 00:32:25,646 She said, "Well, I'd really like to know what they think." 727 00:32:25,646 --> 00:32:27,915 And thankfully, Fran became available. 728 00:32:27,915 --> 00:32:29,616 I got on the phone with her. 729 00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:32,319 And Fran said, "Oh, that's perfect." 730 00:32:32,386 --> 00:32:33,620 'Cause it was perfect. 731 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,156 But what wasn't perfect yet 732 00:32:36,223 --> 00:32:38,458 was the end of the Fellowship of the Ring, 733 00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:40,394 which presented a challenge. 734 00:32:40,394 --> 00:32:44,765 It became absolutely important to them to find a note 735 00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:46,934 that they could leaveFellowship of the Ring on, 736 00:32:47,067 --> 00:32:49,670 that felt hopeful, that still felt like, 737 00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:53,140 "Yes, there's more story, but this story is done." 738 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,408 With post production 739 00:32:54,474 --> 00:32:56,610 on Fellowship of the Ringin full gear, 740 00:32:56,977 --> 00:32:59,146 Peter Jackson was still looking to create 741 00:32:59,179 --> 00:33:03,483 a satisfying end that would also serve as a beginning for part two. 742 00:33:03,584 --> 00:33:05,152 [Gandalf] The Two Towers. 743 00:33:05,185 --> 00:33:07,955 It became very tricky and it was a moving target 744 00:33:07,988 --> 00:33:10,290 that changed several times, even during production. 745 00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:12,125 One thing that Philippa, 746 00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:13,994 Fran and Peter could agree on 747 00:33:13,994 --> 00:33:15,796 was the need to have a death 748 00:33:15,863 --> 00:33:16,964 before the ending. 749 00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:18,365 You fought bravely. 750 00:33:18,432 --> 00:33:21,134 Eventually, they settle on the death of Boromir. 751 00:33:21,134 --> 00:33:23,136 They settle on that moment. 752 00:33:23,170 --> 00:33:24,338 It is over. 753 00:33:24,705 --> 00:33:27,274 In the novel, the death of Boromir 754 00:33:27,307 --> 00:33:29,877 takes places at the beginning of the Two Towers 755 00:33:30,477 --> 00:33:33,447 and by moving it up to the end of the Fellowship of the Ring, 756 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,681 it gave the film 757 00:33:34,781 --> 00:33:36,049 an emotional climax. 758 00:33:36,216 --> 00:33:37,284 And Peter shot 759 00:33:37,484 --> 00:33:40,387 a lot of film for Sean Bean's death scene. 760 00:33:41,355 --> 00:33:43,023 No! 761 00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:46,226 He had some particular ideas about how it would go together. 762 00:33:47,027 --> 00:33:50,130 And some quite impressionistic kind of moments in there 763 00:33:51,198 --> 00:33:53,667 with him fighting on, manfully, 764 00:33:53,667 --> 00:33:55,669 while he's got all these arrows stuck in him. 765 00:33:56,336 --> 00:33:59,806 And Viggo running to him and them having their little piece of dialogue at the end. 766 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,375 They took the little ones. 767 00:34:01,475 --> 00:34:03,177 - Be still. - And I cut the scene... 768 00:34:03,243 --> 00:34:05,012 I would have followed you, my brother. 769 00:34:05,045 --> 00:34:06,547 [Gilbert] I heard a couple of weeks later 770 00:34:06,580 --> 00:34:08,148 that Peter was very pleased with what I did, 771 00:34:08,181 --> 00:34:10,684 so we didn't go back and mess with it too much. 772 00:34:10,684 --> 00:34:12,052 Well, as they say, 773 00:34:12,085 --> 00:34:13,754 you don't mess with perfection. 774 00:34:13,987 --> 00:34:18,158 But one thing that was messed with was the film's finale. 775 00:34:18,158 --> 00:34:20,427 [Bennett] At the end of the day, it was Frodo's story, 776 00:34:20,494 --> 00:34:24,431 so they wanted to end it on Frodo instead of Aragorn. 777 00:34:24,531 --> 00:34:26,433 And New Line insisted 778 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:31,839 on a big action moment for him, in fact, they insisted on this. 779 00:34:31,872 --> 00:34:33,974 Frodo and Sam are in the water, 780 00:34:33,974 --> 00:34:35,576 heading across to the other side. 781 00:34:36,043 --> 00:34:38,679 When all of a sudden, the Uruk-hai pop out of the water 782 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,948 and then they drag Mr. Frodo under 783 00:34:41,014 --> 00:34:42,850 and they wrestle with him in the water. 784 00:34:42,850 --> 00:34:44,585 When the ring falls off his neck 785 00:34:44,585 --> 00:34:46,420 and starts floating down to the bottom, 786 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,789 the Uruk-hai, infatuated with the ring, 787 00:34:49,223 --> 00:34:51,258 swim after it, but then drown. 788 00:34:51,358 --> 00:34:54,795 So, then Sam can pull Mr. Frodo out of the water and hurray, 789 00:34:54,862 --> 00:34:56,563 he's saved, and then they take a big breath, 790 00:34:56,630 --> 00:34:58,599 they go down and get the ring, they come back up. 791 00:34:58,632 --> 00:35:00,968 They get in the boat, they drive to the other side. 792 00:35:01,368 --> 00:35:03,136 Badda bing, badda boom, they're out. 793 00:35:03,136 --> 00:35:04,905 And so was that scene. 794 00:35:05,539 --> 00:35:07,641 Because Peter wanted an emotional ending 795 00:35:08,141 --> 00:35:10,277 rather than a Hollywood action scene. 796 00:35:10,944 --> 00:35:13,714 [Busch] If you end a film where someone is thinking like, 797 00:35:13,714 --> 00:35:16,950 "I can stop now, it'd be better for me if I stopped now..." 798 00:35:17,317 --> 00:35:19,119 [Frodo] I wish the ring had never come to me. 799 00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:20,454 "But it won't." 800 00:35:21,288 --> 00:35:23,623 That's the moment where everyone knows that moment, 801 00:35:23,623 --> 00:35:25,659 everyone knows the moment they didn't take that step. 802 00:35:25,726 --> 00:35:27,728 Everyone knows the moment they did take that step. 803 00:35:28,228 --> 00:35:31,732 I think that that's a really powerful thing for people. 804 00:35:31,998 --> 00:35:33,400 Go back, Sam! 805 00:35:34,434 --> 00:35:35,602 Peter eventually 806 00:35:35,602 --> 00:35:37,538 convinced New Line he was right. 807 00:35:37,571 --> 00:35:41,341 He will persevere until he's got exactly what he wants. 808 00:35:41,375 --> 00:35:44,277 He's willing to go through whatever it takes 809 00:35:44,311 --> 00:35:46,346 to make the film as good as it can be. 810 00:35:46,947 --> 00:35:50,350 Sam nearly drowning was a difficult scene. 811 00:35:50,684 --> 00:35:52,953 You had to empathize with Frodo... 812 00:35:52,986 --> 00:35:55,189 - Sam! - ...and feel for his courage. 813 00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:58,492 That was the key to the end of the story for me. 814 00:35:59,826 --> 00:36:02,094 [Busch] That leaves you with such a gut punch 815 00:36:02,429 --> 00:36:04,998 that it's the perfect stopping point for the first film. 816 00:36:05,332 --> 00:36:06,533 With only a few months 817 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,434 before The Fellowship of 818 00:36:07,467 --> 00:36:09,169 the Ring was due in theaters, 819 00:36:09,603 --> 00:36:12,606 New Line was eager to see a cut. 820 00:36:12,672 --> 00:36:16,643 I think the first screening was in July of 2001. 821 00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:18,846 And after the lights came up in the room, 822 00:36:19,012 --> 00:36:23,183 there was only one thing New Line's CEO, Bob Shaye, could do. 823 00:36:23,283 --> 00:36:27,688 Bob is an emotional guy and he cried. 824 00:36:27,955 --> 00:36:30,724 He went into the restroom and cried. 825 00:36:31,725 --> 00:36:33,827 I can't say if it was cry of relief, 826 00:36:33,893 --> 00:36:37,664 or cry of excitement and appreciation. 827 00:36:37,731 --> 00:36:40,167 It was good news for Peter and the team. 828 00:36:40,234 --> 00:36:42,736 [Lyon] They were all excited and celebrating 829 00:36:42,835 --> 00:36:45,072 that they had just gotten the first cut 830 00:36:45,138 --> 00:36:47,174 approved by the studio. 831 00:36:47,241 --> 00:36:49,142 But it was only a momentary victory. 832 00:36:49,209 --> 00:36:52,346 There still was a lot of work to be done 833 00:36:52,346 --> 00:36:54,248 because there was a lot of green screen. 834 00:36:54,915 --> 00:36:57,518 [Gilbert] We were supposed to lock the film in August, 835 00:36:57,584 --> 00:37:00,219 and we didn't quite make it. 836 00:37:00,254 --> 00:37:02,556 To make the tight deadline even worse... 837 00:37:02,656 --> 00:37:04,758 [Gilbert] Peter was recording with the London Philharmonic 838 00:37:04,858 --> 00:37:06,994 - at the end of August. - So once again, 839 00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:10,564 they had to pivot and think outside the box. 840 00:37:10,564 --> 00:37:12,199 And when Peter flew to London 841 00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,067 to work with composer Howard Shore... 842 00:37:14,168 --> 00:37:17,571 We had to set up an editing room in London to continue editing. 843 00:37:18,038 --> 00:37:19,273 Thankfully, the score 844 00:37:19,273 --> 00:37:22,042 put the finishing touch on many of the scenes. 845 00:37:22,109 --> 00:37:25,245 Oh, Howard Shore's score was fantastic. I was so pleased. 846 00:37:29,082 --> 00:37:31,451 Big score for the battle scenes and so on. 847 00:37:31,451 --> 00:37:33,219 I thought he did a fantastic job. 848 00:37:37,257 --> 00:37:39,893 I think his theme for Hobbinton from the beginning of the film 849 00:37:39,927 --> 00:37:43,096 was something that stuck in people's heads immediately 850 00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:46,433 and I can still hear it playing in my head now if I try. 851 00:37:46,466 --> 00:37:48,402 I think it was an integral part of the story. 852 00:37:48,969 --> 00:37:51,572 But just as the score was wrapped up... 853 00:37:52,573 --> 00:37:55,909 [Gilbert] We were in the cutting room and someone came in and said, 854 00:37:55,943 --> 00:37:57,643 "Oh, well, you should come out and watch this TV, 855 00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:58,979 there's something weird going on." 856 00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:02,282 It was the morning of September the 11th. 857 00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:05,219 [Gilbert] There on live TV right in front of us 858 00:38:05,252 --> 00:38:07,621 as we walked into the room, the second plane hit the tower. 859 00:38:08,222 --> 00:38:09,890 With all flights grounded, 860 00:38:09,922 --> 00:38:13,393 they soon realized they'd be staying in London indefinitely. 861 00:38:14,294 --> 00:38:17,898 Meanwhile, new problems suddenly emerged. 862 00:38:17,965 --> 00:38:20,968 I knew we had ratings issues that we were concerned about. 863 00:38:21,668 --> 00:38:23,070 We have a cave troll. 864 00:38:23,136 --> 00:38:25,439 The MPAA was concerned 865 00:38:25,439 --> 00:38:28,675 with the amount of blood in the Mines of Moria scene. 866 00:38:28,675 --> 00:38:30,310 Yah! 867 00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:32,312 [Osborne] But we successfully argued 868 00:38:32,346 --> 00:38:35,015 that it's mostly Orc blood, it's all black not red. 869 00:38:35,082 --> 00:38:37,818 So it's not as frightening to people. 870 00:38:37,918 --> 00:38:41,522 Thankfully, there were no Orcs in the MPAA. 871 00:38:41,688 --> 00:38:43,290 We basically got our rating. 872 00:38:43,323 --> 00:38:45,826 We had to make a few changes, minor changes. 873 00:38:45,859 --> 00:38:47,661 But even the most minor of changes 874 00:38:47,694 --> 00:38:49,329 had New Line concerned. 875 00:38:49,429 --> 00:38:51,498 It was a lot of work. I mean, the deadlines, 876 00:38:51,498 --> 00:38:53,834 everything was so tight. So, so tight. 877 00:38:53,934 --> 00:38:55,969 I think they were probably anxious right through 878 00:38:56,003 --> 00:38:59,072 to the end, really, until the film opened. 879 00:38:59,106 --> 00:39:00,373 I'm sure they were anxious. 880 00:39:01,875 --> 00:39:03,377 The Fellowship of the Ring 881 00:39:03,377 --> 00:39:05,846 premiered in J.R.R. Tolkien's homeland 882 00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:09,149 on December the 10th, 2001. 883 00:39:09,483 --> 00:39:11,852 [Galano] The first premiere, we did in London 884 00:39:11,852 --> 00:39:13,887 and we did a huge event there. 885 00:39:13,954 --> 00:39:17,056 And then we had a huge screening in Leicester Square. 886 00:39:17,157 --> 00:39:18,625 Few could deny 887 00:39:18,659 --> 00:39:22,629 that Tolkien's magic kingdom now had a definitive look. 888 00:39:23,197 --> 00:39:24,698 It was as good as official. 889 00:39:24,731 --> 00:39:27,801 What blew us away and what everybody was saying 890 00:39:27,801 --> 00:39:30,704 when we came out was that's exactly what we'd seen 891 00:39:30,737 --> 00:39:32,573 in our minds when we read the book. 892 00:39:32,973 --> 00:39:35,175 That was Middle Earth, that was Lord of the Rings. 893 00:39:35,342 --> 00:39:37,143 It just seemed right, it just seemed like, 894 00:39:37,177 --> 00:39:38,745 "Yeah, that's what it should be." 895 00:39:38,846 --> 00:39:41,748 [Galano] I've never experienced anything like that before. 896 00:39:42,248 --> 00:39:46,753 When the film started opening, the numbers that were coming in 897 00:39:47,087 --> 00:39:51,190 from every single country around the world, 898 00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:54,594 that people were just shocked. 899 00:39:54,695 --> 00:39:59,333 All I can say is from the film we saw in July of 2001 900 00:39:59,399 --> 00:40:02,736 to the finished film and what Peter did, 901 00:40:02,835 --> 00:40:04,371 he's a master filmmaker. 902 00:40:04,404 --> 00:40:06,172 I mean, it was just unbelievable. 903 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,742 I remember going to midnight screenings of it. 904 00:40:08,842 --> 00:40:10,878 Like, it was intense. 905 00:40:10,944 --> 00:40:13,547 If you want him, come and claim him. 906 00:40:13,614 --> 00:40:15,114 [Busch] With all the wonderful things I'd heard, 907 00:40:15,215 --> 00:40:18,252 even with all the rumors, and I still walked in 908 00:40:18,252 --> 00:40:21,355 and I don't think I closed my mouth for the entire film. 909 00:40:21,421 --> 00:40:23,556 It was exactly what I'd envisioned in my head. 910 00:40:24,056 --> 00:40:26,460 As the film rippled around the world... 911 00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:27,761 - Gahh! - Gahh! 912 00:40:27,761 --> 00:40:29,196 ...it became clear 913 00:40:29,229 --> 00:40:32,266 The Fellowship of the Ringhad not only redefined Tolkien 914 00:40:32,299 --> 00:40:36,402 on screen, but had taken his work mainstream. 915 00:40:36,436 --> 00:40:39,439 [Drout] After the Ralph Bakshi movie in 1978, 916 00:40:39,606 --> 00:40:43,477 it was really still very much a subculture. 917 00:40:43,577 --> 00:40:47,781 Like, you couldn't make aLord of the Rings reference... 918 00:40:47,881 --> 00:40:50,450 One ring to bring them all. 919 00:40:50,751 --> 00:40:52,619 ...and not be flagged as a nerd. 920 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,322 Or just have no one understand what you're referring to. 921 00:40:55,389 --> 00:40:57,424 That was now a thing of the past. 922 00:40:57,457 --> 00:40:59,927 One ring to rule them all. 923 00:41:00,127 --> 00:41:02,496 But perhaps the film's greatest achievement 924 00:41:02,896 --> 00:41:04,797 was something no one saw coming. 925 00:41:05,766 --> 00:41:07,801 [McWeeny] Lord of the Ringshad an emotional note 926 00:41:07,901 --> 00:41:09,503 that even if you were a Lord of the Rings fan, 927 00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:11,605 I don't think you could have predicted the way 928 00:41:11,905 --> 00:41:14,842 it just pierced pop consciousness. 929 00:41:14,942 --> 00:41:17,511 It wasn't just big, it was massive. 930 00:41:18,145 --> 00:41:21,748 For the first time, fantasy was cool. 931 00:41:21,815 --> 00:41:24,685 Fantasy was thought of by everybody that it was a genre 932 00:41:24,751 --> 00:41:27,087 that very few women were interested in 933 00:41:27,154 --> 00:41:30,991 and that was proven utterly and completely wrong. 934 00:41:31,123 --> 00:41:34,161 And that, like that, doubled the size of the audience. 935 00:41:34,261 --> 00:41:36,597 Lord of the Ringsalso happened to arrive 936 00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:40,367 just as fandom was searching for a new cinematic dynasty. 937 00:41:42,268 --> 00:41:44,171 Star Wars had been nothing but divisive 938 00:41:44,171 --> 00:41:45,806 when it came out in 1999. 939 00:41:45,873 --> 00:41:47,373 Mesa called Jar Jar Binks. 940 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,676 It had broken fandom to a large degree. 941 00:41:49,776 --> 00:41:51,111 Lord of the Rings was the opposite 942 00:41:51,178 --> 00:41:54,047 and it really opened the door for a lot of people. 943 00:41:54,147 --> 00:41:56,783 The film also put New Zealand on the map. 944 00:41:57,351 --> 00:42:01,788 Now Middle Earth, no longer middle of the road. 945 00:42:01,855 --> 00:42:04,358 We'd gone from this little sort of tiny island backwater 946 00:42:04,391 --> 00:42:05,692 to the center of Hollywood. 947 00:42:05,792 --> 00:42:08,195 And just really gave everyone a sense of pride, 948 00:42:08,228 --> 00:42:09,363 and like, "Oh, wow, we can do this. 949 00:42:09,463 --> 00:42:10,697 We can kick it with the big boys." 950 00:42:10,797 --> 00:42:11,899 Proof of that came 951 00:42:11,965 --> 00:42:14,201 at the 74th Academy Awards. 952 00:42:14,301 --> 00:42:15,969 And the Oscar goes to... 953 00:42:16,036 --> 00:42:18,205 - And the Oscar goes to... - Goes to... 954 00:42:18,305 --> 00:42:20,541 - ...The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. 955 00:42:20,541 --> 00:42:23,076 The Fellowshipcollected four Oscars. 956 00:42:23,076 --> 00:42:26,013 The success of the first film ensured the biggest project 957 00:42:26,013 --> 00:42:27,581 in movie history could fly. 958 00:42:27,848 --> 00:42:31,718 Now it was a question of how high and how far. 959 00:42:31,985 --> 00:42:35,822 Where do you go from making that kind of art at that level? 960 00:42:35,856 --> 00:42:37,024 Where do you go from there? 961 00:42:37,357 --> 00:42:39,526 There's only up or there's only sideways. 962 00:42:39,593 --> 00:42:40,861 Whether the trilogy 963 00:42:40,893 --> 00:42:44,097 would go sideways or even backwards would depend 964 00:42:44,164 --> 00:42:45,899 on more than just a vision. 965 00:42:45,899 --> 00:42:47,701 [McCaffrey] The first movie, obviously, set a platform, 966 00:42:47,701 --> 00:42:49,102 but then in the back of our minds, 967 00:42:49,102 --> 00:42:50,370 we potentially were always going, 968 00:42:50,404 --> 00:42:52,706 "Will two and three be as well received?" 969 00:42:52,773 --> 00:42:55,876 That would depend in part on technology. 970 00:42:56,176 --> 00:42:58,344 There's gotta be another way to do this. 971 00:42:58,378 --> 00:43:01,415 The only problem was, it didn't exist yet. 972 00:43:01,448 --> 00:43:03,217 New Line was worried about the Weta, 973 00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:05,185 about their capacity to deliver. 974 00:43:05,352 --> 00:43:07,286 And the people who needed to create it 975 00:43:07,354 --> 00:43:08,956 had their own problems. 976 00:43:09,022 --> 00:43:11,859 I found out that there was a lot of dysfunction at Weta. 77762

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