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The future of the
Lord of the Rings production
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was on the line.
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The realization came to everyone
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that New Line could go under.
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What do we do now?
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The idea was to do a huge
press event in Cannes,
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and then this huge party
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to pre-sell the international
distribution rights.
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Huh.
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Everything hinged
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on an epic 20-minute sequence
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in the Mines of Moria
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that had been shot
in just seven days.
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They wanted to really show
the world
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how Lord of the Ringswas gonna look on screen.
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That this film was gonna be
something really exciting.
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And then say, you know,
"You can have the films,
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but you gotta give us
money up front
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and you have to book
all three films."
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New Lines' fate
now rested in the hands
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of Weta's post production.
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There were time constraints.
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It was very short order.
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You only got one chance
to get it right.
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But even with the
dark cloud of dwindling funds
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hanging over them,
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and key cast and crew now
on the French Riviera...
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[Mahaffie] We didn't stop filming.
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If we don't succeed, it won't be
because we haven't put
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every last ounce
of energy into this.
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...through accidents...
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Sean got, like,
16 or 20 stitches.
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...a director
hell-bent
on achieving his vision...
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Cast had got bigger,
the crew had got bigger.
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...production
was already sailing
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unchartered waters.
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- Three films.
- Three films.
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Three films at once.
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Don't you see this is madness?
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It was always going to be
a lot of anxiety.
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Now with the release
of the Fellowship of the Ring
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only seven months away,
and a shaky financial future,
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would Peter Jackson's epic
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become just another
failed film project?
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A just question, my liege.
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In Wellington, New Zealand,
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the clock was ticking
for Weta Digital.
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Time was fast running out
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to complete
the Mines of Moria sequence
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to the standard required
before its screening.
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We couldn't show anything
that had green screen
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because we all know
that film reviewers can't look
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at green screen and understand
what that shot's supposed to be.
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To bring
the Mines of Moria to life
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in such a short time
would require
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a large cave-troll-sized
effort.
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But within it...
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[Osborne] Peter saw an opportunity.
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What happens often
in visual effects is,
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the visual effects team want as
much time as they can for R&D
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and they don't really want us
to get into
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starting to do shots
until they feel confident
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and feel
they won't be embarrassed.
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So, he used this as a tool
to force them
to get into production.
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And then, with
the sequence almost completed,
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a last-minute suggestion
from an unlikely source
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made the schedule even tighter.
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One of the assistant editors,
a guy named Peter Skarratt,
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who I really admire quite a bit,
he came to me and said,
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"You know, this is great,
but there's a problem
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because you haven't
introduced the characters.
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Introduce the characters
before we see
the cave-troll sequence.
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And you haven't given us
a lead out where this is going,
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like, a teaser
that gives some sense
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of what the shape
of the movie's gonna be."
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So, Peter added those.
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He took the suggestion,
added that.
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Added was scene
setting up the Shire
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and the Hobbits, along with
some of the principal villains
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and, of course, heroes.
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Along with snippets
of Two Towers
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and Return of the King
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and a few battle scenes
thrown in for good measure.
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They made it in time for Cannes.
It was really great.
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They packed it up
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in the most secure package
they could find...
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Dean Lyons' carry-on.
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So, I carried a hard drive
to France.
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It wasn't, like,
something we could send.
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It was way too important.
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With the air mail
safely delivered...
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Everything was riding on this.
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...the real work began.
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[Osborne] Bob Shaye took a gigantic risk.
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Peter hadn't done anything
of this magnitude.
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There wasn't a huge movie star
in the film.
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We had distributors
from Europe, from Asia,
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Australia, from all, all over.
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Half the Shire's been invited.
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And what we were asking,
very upfront, a lot of money.
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Even if the first one did work,
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they still had to pay
for the other two.
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So, on May the 11th, 2001,
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distributors and the world-wide
press sat down
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to decide the fate
of Lord of the Rings.
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And that room full of people
lost their minds.
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Aah!
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The people went nuts.
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I get the chills right now,
even remembering that.
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It was brilliant.
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You work very hard on something,
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you're not quite sure
how it's gonna look.
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It was a pretty exciting moment
for all of us
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that were able
to see that footage.
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I thought, "Wow, this is gonna
blow people's minds."
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I've never seen
anything like this.
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The Mines of Moria
sequence in particular
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had people begging for more.
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A lot more.
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That whole sequence is so much
of the essence
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of what this franchise
is about.
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It looks beautiful,
it's intense, it's emotional.
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Gandalf!
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What they did in that room was,
they blew everybody's mind
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in the middle
of the Cannes Film Festival,
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where you're there to see
high-minded art
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from around the world by the
greatest filmmakers working,
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Twenty minutes
of Lord of the Rings
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stole the oxygen
of that entire festival.
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The thing that at least my
friends were talking about were,
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"This looks exactly like
I imagined it,
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this looks exactly the way
it was described in the book."
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You work very hard on something,
you're not quite sure
how it's gonna look
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and getting to see
that footage was an eye-opener.
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I think we realized
that we were part of something
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that was at a higher level of
anything that we'd done before.
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[Osborne] I decided to sneak
into the theater
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and just sit down anonymously
behind three British reporters.
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One of them turned
to the other one and said,
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"Gee, I thought Tolkien
was gonna be boring."
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And I knew then
that we had a film
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that was working really,
really well.
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But perhaps no one
was quite as elated
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as the foreign distributors.
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Distributors
came out with tears.
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I remember, I think it was
Samuel Hadida
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went up to Mark Ordesky
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and, like, grabbed him
and started kissing him.
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I mean, they were just thrilled
and just stunned
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at what they had seen
and the potential of the film.
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And after several
successful screenings,
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they packed it up
and went home.
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Oh, no, you don't.
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Just kidding.
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They had a huge party
afterwards.
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Basically reconstructed
the Shire, everything.
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It was phenomenal.
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There had never been
anything like this
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to really introduce these films
as something spectacular.
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Yeah, it was, it was exciting.
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It's a great party at Cannes,
lots of people.
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I'm sure New Line spent
a lot of money on it.
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$2 million, to be precise.
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All the cast where there.
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A lot of the key crew
were there.
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Even Peter Jackson
got all dolled up
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and put on a nice suit.
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But he refused to put on shoes
and we were like,
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"Peter, at least put on sandals
or something."
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But with shoes on or off,
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New Line could feel a bit
of a spring in Peter's step.
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They realized that Peter
was a true auteur
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and the team around him
were delivering something
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that was gonna be a lot more
than what they imagined.
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With everyone drunk
on Hobbit ale and elvish wine,
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New Line's sales department
got to work.
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We did it.
We did it successfully.
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And by the end of Cannes,
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New Line had closed
all the foreign pre-sales.
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And with that,
the party could truly begin.
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For some, though, the victories
were more than financial.
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These were really male films,
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but the deals we negotiated
were mostly all with men.
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And I was very, very proud
to be a woman representing this.
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My team had a lot
of really strong women
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and I'm really proud
to have been a part of it.
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Yeah.
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And there was a lot
to be proud of.
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I truly think
once Cannes happened,
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that's the moment that everybody
exhales for the first time.
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That was good.
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It was maybe the biggest
moment of hype
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I've ever witnessed
and deservedly.
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That was so successful
that everything changed.
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With a newly earned hype,
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the relationship between Peter
and New Line changed as well.
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I know that there were worries
about the budget blowing out,
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that, you know,
that the cast had got bigger,
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the crew had got bigger.
More was being spent.
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I think there was an assurance
after that footage at Cannes
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that this was gonna be worth the
money that they were spending.
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Arriving back in New Zealand,
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Peter Jackson and his team
got back to work,
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albeit with a strong wind
in their sails.
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The floodgates opened, you know?
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But it didn't feel like
a completely different movie.
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Peter knew what he was doing
and he didn't,
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even if they gave him
three times the money,
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he wasn't gonna turn it into
something else all of a sudden.
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You know? I think he knew
he'd found the right language
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for the film before
they got the cash injection.
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A lot of the pressure
was taken off of us.
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But not all the pressure.
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We knew we had to have it
finished for December that year.
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With six months
till the end of the year,
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production kicked it up
into high gear.
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At one point, we had, like,
four or five units
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shooting onto the two islands.
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And it was like at one point,
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we had four Orlandos
shooting simultaneously
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on four different parts
of the island.
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And if you're wondering
how that was possible...
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We had so many Orlando doubles.
I think we had seven.
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All of which would
soon become very necessary.
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We were filming
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and we had nearly finished
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the, the sequence,
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but one of the shots
that we had left was aerobatic,
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acrobatic of mounting
onto the horse.
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And he fell off the horse.
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He fell badly, and I think
he fell onto some hard rocks.
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And they were all very concerned
that he'd damaged his spine.
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Orlando was quickly
rushed to the local hospital.
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But he was fine,
he was out the next day.
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And he was very sore,
but that was it.
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Whatever luck you all live by,
let's hope it lasts the night.
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And the production
breathed a sigh of relief,
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having avoided what could have
been a very costly mistake.
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Peter's very good. He says,
"Okay, quick,
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get the Orlando double ready.
Who's doing it today?"
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You know, nothing's gonna
stop us filming,
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just have to adjust
what we are filming.
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Even if the injuries
were starting to pile up.
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It was leaning over them
and saying...
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Squeal. No one's
gonna save you now.
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Then they had this sword
which were real
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and I kinda donged him
on the head with it.
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He's sort of bleeding
just very slightly.
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You know, then a few days later,
we're doing the next scene
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and I get kicked in the face.
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Similar thing, they were
trying to find
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Merry and Pippin and they came
upon this encampment
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where the Uruk-hai were in.
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Aragorn thought
that they were dead.
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So, he kicked a helmet.
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And broke his toe...
Kicking the helmet.
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Which is in the movie,
and he kept on going.
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He didn't let that stop him
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and it probably added
to his performance.
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But I know...
It was very painful.
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It was an absolute marathon
of energy
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and draining long days
and long nights.
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Keep breathing, that's the key.
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There was a sense of,
"We can't afford to fail.
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We've been given
this opportunity to film
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one of the most
amazing pieces of literature
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and it's our responsibility
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to do everything we can
to make it a success."
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The Lord of the Rings
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production schedule
was relentless.
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Never before had a studio
committed
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to shooting a complete trilogy
in one straight run.
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It was a massive
logistical challenge.
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Two hundred and sixty six
main unit principal
photography days
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for three movies,
but we did have the luxury
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of numerous units
running at times,
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you know, second units,
a second, second unit,
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blue-screen units,
miniature units.
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But no one was more
embedded than Peter Jackson.
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For days, Peter would sit
at a monitor
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and he would call...
He would look
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directly across
to another monitor
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which was a feed
from second unit
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and pick up the phone
and make performance notes,
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continuity notes,
whatever it might be.
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He had his head around things
like I've never seen
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anyone juggle prior to,
or previously, I don't think.
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With The Fellowship
of the Rings release date
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rapidly approaching,
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it was time for Jackson
to narrow his focus.
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[Sauron] The hour is later
than you think.
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Lord of the Rings,
we always talk about
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they made
all the films together.
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That's sort of a misnomer.
There was an extended process
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by which all three
of those films were made.
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But at a certain point,
they narrowed
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everyone's interest
to Fellowship of the Ring
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because it became very clear...
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"This is all ambitious,
this is all great,
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but we have a movie
that has to be in theaters
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Christmas of 2001
and it has to work.
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And we're terrified."
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So, Peter focused his attention
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on the first film,
The Fellowship of the Ring.
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It was important to everyone
that the first film worked
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and he put most
of his energy into that.
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But his many second units
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kept chugging away
at the latter two films.
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He had second-unit directors
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working on Helm's Deep,
for example.
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The enormity of the battle
certainly got my attention.
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John Mahaffie was now in charge
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of the biggest battle scene
in the history of cinema,
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an intimidating prospect.
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Your friends are with you,
Aragorn.
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The main gaffer,
Brian Bansgrove,
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who was legendary, said,
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"This one's gonna sort out
the men from the boys
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and I intend
to finish it a man."
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[Alley] It's kind of legendary
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in the New Zealand
film industry now
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for just the worst,
most difficult,
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impossible shoot
that anyone's ever done.
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And while there were
many reasons for this,
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the first was simply the sheer
number of people needed.
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We had 200 extras that we could
get in close to.
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That's 200 extras
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that would serve as the models
for the 10,000 Orcs.
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We hadn't really had those
sort of numbers of extras
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in New Zealand before,
so just things like, you know,
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"When do we give them
the swords?
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When do we put
the masks on them?"
333
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And unfortunately for Matt,
334
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he was the one tasked
with figuring it out.
335
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Well, I was in charge
of the Orc army,
336
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getting them dressed
into their armor
337
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and coming up
with different looks.
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In fact, the prosthetics guys
would say to me,
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"This is kind of a hillbilly
look,"
340
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or "This is kind of
a rock and roll guy,"
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which was kind of fun.
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Which leads
to the second reason
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why this was such
a long, arduous shoot.
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The stunt players, they'd be
there in their rubber suits,
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heads on.
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We could film
for 15, 20 minutes.
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If we didn't stop at that point
and take their heads off,
348
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some of them would actually
expire through lack of oxygen.
349
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And with the battle
taking place in the rain,
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it was untenable to constantly
douse the Orcs in water.
351
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To keep them looking wet,
really wet,
352
00:16:06,934 --> 00:16:09,570
there were literally buckets
of K-Y Jelly.
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So, it was
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I mean, everyone got over
the jokes very quickly.
355
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But, you know, you just
slop it on and it stays wet.
356
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The result was a mosh pit
357
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of extras covered
in latex and lube.
358
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It was a lot of what we call
"organized chaos".
359
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'Cause the actual battle scene
is chaotic and accidents galore.
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And no one
would know this better
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than stunt man Sala Baker
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who portrayed many
of the Uruk-hai.
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Sala Baker, he got hit
by one of the horses
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and I think we measured
he flew through the air 20 feet
365
00:16:41,201 --> 00:16:42,436
before he hit the ground again.
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With so many swords
and weapons,
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even the principal cast
were bound to get hit.
368
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Viggo was sword fighting
and the stunt guy
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hit Viggo right across the mouth
and broke a tooth.
370
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And the tooth fell out
into the mud and muck of the set
371
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and Viggo just picked it up.
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And walked right over
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to the special effects
department to see if...
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00:17:05,058 --> 00:17:06,727
We could just Super-Glue it
back on.
375
00:17:06,827 --> 00:17:09,196
While they said "No"
to the Super Glue,
376
00:17:09,196 --> 00:17:11,665
they did offer to send him
to a dentist.
377
00:17:11,732 --> 00:17:13,534
He said, "No, no,
I'm gonna keep going.
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I don't have to go
to the dentist."
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00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:17,404
The Battle of Helm's Deep
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was turning
into an extreme sport.
381
00:17:20,174 --> 00:17:22,743
I said to Peter at one point,
382
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"When Legolas is trying
to rescue Gimli,
383
00:17:26,246 --> 00:17:29,249
why doesn't he throw
a shield on the ground
384
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and ride it down the stairs
like a snow board?"
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Executed to perfection
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by stunt man Morgan Evans.
387
00:17:37,858 --> 00:17:39,259
And if ever I mention
to someone,
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00:17:39,326 --> 00:17:41,728
"Oh, I was double for Legolas
in those movies,"
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00:17:41,828 --> 00:17:43,664
that's the thing they remember,
you know?
390
00:17:43,664 --> 00:17:45,933
'Cause it was just so cool
and so slick.
391
00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,436
Jones' unorthodox
inspiration continued,
392
00:17:49,536 --> 00:17:53,106
while observing the Uruk-hai
performance between takes.
393
00:17:53,173 --> 00:17:55,943
These guys that looked like big,
ugly Uruk-hai
394
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with their hats off,
they were like a football team
395
00:17:59,580 --> 00:18:01,882
or, you know,
for us in New Zealand,
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a rugby team that were committed
to get across the line.
397
00:18:05,586 --> 00:18:07,221
But with the constant start
398
00:18:07,221 --> 00:18:08,856
and stop of production...
399
00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:10,724
the team had to find ways
400
00:18:10,724 --> 00:18:13,359
to stay awake
during the long nights.
401
00:18:13,427 --> 00:18:16,797
The boys would stand around
and one of them would sing
402
00:18:16,797 --> 00:18:19,532
and then they would starting
to dance in these suits
403
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,102
that I had said to Peter,
404
00:18:22,236 --> 00:18:25,739
"Why don't we do, like,
the Maori haka?"
405
00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,474
Which is a war challenge.
406
00:18:27,975 --> 00:18:30,077
Often performed before matches
407
00:18:30,077 --> 00:18:32,279
by the New Zealand
national rugby team.
408
00:18:32,646 --> 00:18:35,782
And so, that came in as
they started the chant...
409
00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:42,890
...that built up to their moment
of their charging.
410
00:18:44,625 --> 00:18:46,159
This clever addition,
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00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:48,896
along with several other
punch-ups and rewrites
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was the third reason
why filming the epic battle
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00:18:52,299 --> 00:18:53,934
took so long.
414
00:18:54,101 --> 00:18:56,503
There's Two Towers footage
that you can see
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00:18:56,603 --> 00:18:59,573
that they shot with Arwen
at the Battle of Helm's Deep.
416
00:19:00,007 --> 00:19:02,009
The remnants
of an early script,
417
00:19:02,009 --> 00:19:05,479
which featured the elvish
princess more prominently.
418
00:19:05,946 --> 00:19:08,515
She was supposed to come
and fight as well.
419
00:19:08,949 --> 00:19:10,617
Because if you recall,
420
00:19:10,951 --> 00:19:12,786
she was supposed to be...
421
00:19:12,853 --> 00:19:14,421
A female warrior.
422
00:19:14,488 --> 00:19:16,990
But they took that out
because it just kind of
423
00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:19,626
didn't make sense from
a narrative point of view.
424
00:19:19,693 --> 00:19:22,095
So, they decided to replace her
with Haldir.
425
00:19:22,162 --> 00:19:25,965
Not just Haldir,
but a whole battalion of elves.
426
00:19:25,965 --> 00:19:28,836
We are proud to fight
alongside men once more.
427
00:19:29,336 --> 00:19:31,004
Meanwhile, the changes
428
00:19:31,038 --> 00:19:33,674
only extended production
on the battle.
429
00:19:34,007 --> 00:19:38,111
We filmed there for a long,
long time. All nights.
430
00:19:38,178 --> 00:19:40,280
And you were just basically,
you know, waiting
431
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,482
till the sun came up and then
you could pretty much go home.
432
00:19:42,850 --> 00:19:45,886
Fatigue began to cast
its long shadow
433
00:19:45,953 --> 00:19:47,054
over the production.
434
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,056
After about a couple of months,
they'd go in
435
00:19:49,056 --> 00:19:51,892
and people were weird,
in a funny mood
436
00:19:51,992 --> 00:19:54,027
because they
weren't seeing any daylight.
437
00:19:54,127 --> 00:19:58,699
We had one person out there
who was threatening
438
00:19:58,732 --> 00:20:03,704
to jump off the set,
you know, suicide attempt.
439
00:20:04,872 --> 00:20:09,409
One of the crew
became disorientated
440
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:12,212
and climbed inside the tower.
441
00:20:12,479 --> 00:20:14,815
Which,
while only a miniature,
442
00:20:14,815 --> 00:20:17,351
was still 40 feet tall.
443
00:20:17,584 --> 00:20:21,455
Fortunately,
we were able to assure him
444
00:20:21,455 --> 00:20:25,826
and get him down for help
and diffuse the situation
445
00:20:25,859 --> 00:20:28,362
that could have
literally been tragic.
446
00:20:28,428 --> 00:20:31,098
It kind of impressed
upon all of us
447
00:20:31,198 --> 00:20:33,233
that we needed to look out
for each other,
448
00:20:33,567 --> 00:20:36,837
that we needed to be able
to be honest with each other
449
00:20:36,837 --> 00:20:41,708
about the pressures
that people were experiencing.
450
00:20:42,376 --> 00:20:44,278
With a renewed sense
of brotherhood,
451
00:20:44,278 --> 00:20:45,846
filming continued.
452
00:20:46,046 --> 00:20:47,414
But there was trouble ahead.
453
00:20:48,248 --> 00:20:50,417
The epic Battle of Helm's Deep
454
00:20:50,717 --> 00:20:54,354
had pushed John Mahaffie's
second unit to the brink.
455
00:20:54,421 --> 00:20:56,857
We'd be in a studio and then
the first studio go,
456
00:20:56,857 --> 00:20:58,025
"That's a wrap on Helm's Deep."
457
00:20:58,090 --> 00:20:59,459
And then we'd be doing
another studio,
458
00:20:59,526 --> 00:21:01,195
"That's a wrap on Helm's Deep"
and by the third time,
459
00:21:01,228 --> 00:21:03,063
it's like, "Really?
Are you sure we're wrapped
460
00:21:03,096 --> 00:21:04,364
or are we gonna do
something else?"
461
00:21:04,631 --> 00:21:06,733
But the war was far from over
462
00:21:06,967 --> 00:21:10,737
and new challenges emerged
with each and every scene.
463
00:21:11,205 --> 00:21:15,809
This particular day,
we were to film the sequence
at Minas Tirith.
464
00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:20,214
And my steady-cam operator
was away
465
00:21:20,247 --> 00:21:23,550
at a dental appointment.
466
00:21:23,617 --> 00:21:25,786
And not wanting
to lose the day...
467
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,923
I put on the steady cam,
so we roll the camera
468
00:21:29,957 --> 00:21:31,325
and I say, "Action,"
469
00:21:31,391 --> 00:21:34,328
and I'm sort of running
backwards through this market
470
00:21:34,328 --> 00:21:37,898
and Peter comes round
onto our set and says,
471
00:21:37,965 --> 00:21:40,567
"That's great, let's do
this one, we'll try this."
472
00:21:40,601 --> 00:21:43,737
And so we do another take.
He goes, "Oh, that's great.
473
00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:45,405
Let's do another,
we'll try this."
474
00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:50,310
And it was like, 15 takes later,
I'm going, "Ahh."
475
00:21:50,410 --> 00:21:52,145
It was becoming apparent
476
00:21:52,179 --> 00:21:53,981
that to film this epic story,
477
00:21:53,981 --> 00:21:56,250
it would require
total commitment.
478
00:21:56,416 --> 00:21:59,786
I got to do some of the training
with a horse called Brownie
479
00:21:59,853 --> 00:22:01,855
for the scene where the horse
sits down on Viggo
480
00:22:01,922 --> 00:22:03,357
and lets him get on.
It was a scene
481
00:22:03,423 --> 00:22:05,926
that I think Peter
was a bit dubious about doing.
482
00:22:05,926 --> 00:22:08,962
He didn't want his horse to sit
down on his lead actor's face.
483
00:22:09,696 --> 00:22:11,431
Thankfully, his leading man
484
00:22:11,431 --> 00:22:13,000
was up for the challenge.
485
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,470
He would come out after work
to ride the horse,
486
00:22:16,503 --> 00:22:18,438
to feed the horse,
to groom the horse.
487
00:22:18,472 --> 00:22:20,674
He totally believed that if you
were gonna bond with a horse,
488
00:22:20,707 --> 00:22:22,542
you should spend
as much time as possible.
489
00:22:22,643 --> 00:22:25,012
That was Viggo. He would live
in the field with the horse.
490
00:22:25,112 --> 00:22:28,015
He and the horse were as one.
491
00:22:28,048 --> 00:22:29,383
But it took him months.
492
00:22:29,950 --> 00:22:31,952
He is incredibly dedicated.
493
00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:33,887
And we shot there on the day
494
00:22:33,887 --> 00:22:35,722
and it was kind of
the horse did it perfectly.
495
00:22:38,058 --> 00:22:40,227
He's kind of almost like
a horse whisperer.
496
00:22:41,128 --> 00:22:42,729
While the horses
could be tamed,
497
00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:46,300
the same couldn't be said
for the weather.
498
00:22:46,366 --> 00:22:48,202
We were shooting in a place
called Skipper's Canyon.
499
00:22:48,302 --> 00:22:51,471
It was the scene where Arwen is
one side of the river
500
00:22:51,505 --> 00:22:54,907
and the Nazgul are on the other,
and we'd filmed the day before
501
00:22:55,209 --> 00:22:56,076
and then there was
502
00:22:56,243 --> 00:22:57,978
an unseasonable
fall of snow that night.
503
00:22:58,011 --> 00:23:00,080
It started snowing very,
very hard.
504
00:23:00,147 --> 00:23:02,516
And we knew that we had to keep
filming with those horses
505
00:23:02,516 --> 00:23:03,684
at another location,
506
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:05,719
so we literally had
to ride them out of there.
507
00:23:05,752 --> 00:23:07,721
Otherwise they would have
got us stuck in there for days.
508
00:23:08,255 --> 00:23:10,390
With the weather closing in
on one side
509
00:23:10,424 --> 00:23:13,359
and a 400-foot drop
into the canyon on the other,
510
00:23:13,427 --> 00:23:15,762
the team of wranglers
had to work together
511
00:23:16,063 --> 00:23:17,431
to get out alive.
512
00:23:17,531 --> 00:23:19,867
I couldn't see the horse
in front of me,
513
00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:22,736
the blizzard was kind of,
the snow was coming
straight into our faces.
514
00:23:22,836 --> 00:23:26,273
So, that was a moment
where we really had to trust
515
00:23:26,273 --> 00:23:29,343
both ourselves and our mount
to get out safely, yeah.
516
00:23:29,676 --> 00:23:31,778
But to be honest, each location
517
00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:33,714
tested the ingenuity
and resilience
518
00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:35,182
of the New Zealand crew,
519
00:23:35,449 --> 00:23:38,352
including the sleepy town
of Twizel.
520
00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:41,855
That whole area in the south
island was inhabited by,
521
00:23:41,922 --> 00:23:44,590
you know, millions upon millions
of rabbits once upon a time.
522
00:23:45,092 --> 00:23:46,460
And fuzzy rabbits
523
00:23:46,527 --> 00:23:48,462
make fuzzy rabbit homes.
524
00:23:48,561 --> 00:23:50,063
And each time we galloped,
525
00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:52,766
the horses would stumble
into these rabbit holes
526
00:23:53,066 --> 00:23:55,636
and we had hundreds of people
with sandbags
527
00:23:55,702 --> 00:23:57,871
filling in these rabbit holes
in between takes
528
00:23:58,205 --> 00:24:01,041
to make it safe for the 300
horses to gallop on.
529
00:24:01,074 --> 00:24:02,409
And shooting in the north
530
00:24:02,409 --> 00:24:05,811
was potentially equally
catastrophic.
531
00:24:05,913 --> 00:24:09,148
It was a open desert in
the middle of the north island.
532
00:24:09,249 --> 00:24:10,784
A perfect location
533
00:24:10,817 --> 00:24:12,252
for the Mordor sets.
534
00:24:12,553 --> 00:24:16,723
Well, except for the one
explosive detail.
535
00:24:16,757 --> 00:24:18,959
There was mines underground.
536
00:24:19,259 --> 00:24:21,128
Luckily, the nearby
military base
537
00:24:21,161 --> 00:24:22,162
offered their support.
538
00:24:22,296 --> 00:24:23,664
"So, we're gonna have to be
539
00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:24,965
on set to kind of help you out"
540
00:24:24,998 --> 00:24:26,433
and then it was
also turned into,
541
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:29,603
"Well, you guys are military,
you guys march.
542
00:24:29,603 --> 00:24:34,174
You guys wanna just be Gondor's
army for this scene right here?
543
00:24:34,241 --> 00:24:35,008
That'd be great."
544
00:24:35,576 --> 00:24:37,344
So, like, many New Zealanders,
545
00:24:37,344 --> 00:24:39,613
they too decided to pitch in.
546
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,915
And while the horses
survived the rabbit holes
547
00:24:41,949 --> 00:24:44,251
and the military survived
the minefield,
548
00:24:44,618 --> 00:24:47,688
one hobbit couldn't make it
past the sandy beach.
549
00:24:47,788 --> 00:24:51,625
Sean got, like,
16 or 20 stitches.
550
00:24:51,692 --> 00:24:52,926
Quite a big cut.
551
00:24:53,327 --> 00:24:54,695
When an errant stick
552
00:24:54,761 --> 00:24:57,965
pierced the Hobbit
through his oversized feet.
553
00:24:58,031 --> 00:25:00,334
So, I had to cut the bottom
of the foot off,
554
00:25:00,334 --> 00:25:04,505
this blob
of clear plasma dropped.
555
00:25:04,605 --> 00:25:08,842
And then Elijah came over with
a stick and started poking it.
556
00:25:10,143 --> 00:25:12,346
Sean would make a full recovery
557
00:25:12,546 --> 00:25:15,616
and thankfully, he wouldn't
have to get wet again.
558
00:25:16,049 --> 00:25:18,018
He could not or would not go
in the water.
559
00:25:18,051 --> 00:25:21,321
So, green screen DP,
Nigel Bluck,
560
00:25:21,355 --> 00:25:23,557
was tasked with the impossible.
561
00:25:24,191 --> 00:25:26,994
I remember getting that call,
"Ah, can you figure out a way
562
00:25:26,994 --> 00:25:30,063
to shoot dry for it?"
I had no idea, none.
563
00:25:30,163 --> 00:25:33,700
But I do have a good knowledge
about water and being in water,
564
00:25:33,734 --> 00:25:36,170
I've grown up around that,
so I sort of broke it down
565
00:25:36,203 --> 00:25:37,371
and figured out.
566
00:25:37,404 --> 00:25:38,571
We just shot at very high speed,
567
00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:39,740
used a lot of wind to make
568
00:25:39,806 --> 00:25:41,575
his skin move as it should.
569
00:25:41,675 --> 00:25:43,243
Put his cape on wires.
570
00:25:43,377 --> 00:25:45,345
It was, you know, very simple.
571
00:25:45,379 --> 00:25:46,914
Once again, proving
572
00:25:46,914 --> 00:25:50,517
the ingenuity and resilience of
The Lord of the Rings crew.
573
00:25:50,584 --> 00:25:52,886
Bare bones, we made things up.
574
00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:55,055
We built things to do things,
575
00:25:55,055 --> 00:25:57,758
we did things
in very basic ways sometimes.
576
00:25:57,824 --> 00:25:58,992
And it worked.
577
00:26:00,527 --> 00:26:02,329
If production
on Lord of the Rings
578
00:26:02,362 --> 00:26:04,031
was a logistical nightmare,
579
00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:07,334
then post production
was sure to be no easier.
580
00:26:07,568 --> 00:26:09,002
And like all things
on this film,
581
00:26:09,069 --> 00:26:11,505
it was complicated in the sense
that Peter had a great idea.
582
00:26:11,571 --> 00:26:13,106
He was gonna have three editors.
583
00:26:13,207 --> 00:26:15,843
John Gilbert editing
Fellowship of the Ring.
584
00:26:16,243 --> 00:26:19,112
Michael J. Horton
editing Two Towers
585
00:26:19,613 --> 00:26:22,950
and Jamie Selkirk editing
Return of the King.
586
00:26:23,217 --> 00:26:25,519
And that he would be able to go
from one cutting room
587
00:26:25,552 --> 00:26:27,788
to another on all three films
588
00:26:27,855 --> 00:26:29,289
and he could get it all done
in a year,
589
00:26:29,356 --> 00:26:30,590
but that was not possible.
590
00:26:31,124 --> 00:26:33,260
So, with a rapidly
approaching deadline,
591
00:26:33,393 --> 00:26:35,896
Peter Jackson was forced
to pivot.
592
00:26:35,963 --> 00:26:37,898
So, we did have three editors
593
00:26:37,965 --> 00:26:40,534
and they were
cutting during production.
594
00:26:40,901 --> 00:26:46,406
But he couldn't physically
and mentally be so engaged
595
00:26:46,406 --> 00:26:47,875
in all three films
at the same time.
596
00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:49,309
But given the scope
597
00:26:49,376 --> 00:26:52,646
of Peter Jackson's vision,
New Line had doubts
598
00:26:52,713 --> 00:26:55,883
whether he could even deliver
the first film on time.
599
00:26:56,215 --> 00:26:58,417
Lord of the Ringsdirector, Peter Jackson,
600
00:26:58,417 --> 00:27:00,053
wasn't the only one struggling
601
00:27:00,087 --> 00:27:02,823
to juggle three mammoth films
at once.
602
00:27:03,423 --> 00:27:05,325
I tried to ignore
the other two movies.
603
00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:08,662
Editor John Gilbert
had to keep his blinkers on.
604
00:27:08,996 --> 00:27:12,633
I saw my movie as a complete
article on its own
605
00:27:12,633 --> 00:27:15,234
and I tried not
to think about the other two.
606
00:27:15,302 --> 00:27:16,737
I was barely involved.
607
00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:18,505
Adding to the complications
608
00:27:18,571 --> 00:27:21,074
was the shift from film
to digital.
609
00:27:21,508 --> 00:27:23,677
Peter had a regular editor,
Jamie Selkirk,
610
00:27:23,744 --> 00:27:25,012
he'd worked with a lot.
611
00:27:25,112 --> 00:27:27,481
And he was used
to editing on film.
612
00:27:27,513 --> 00:27:31,185
But I'd been working on Avid
for maybe four years,
613
00:27:31,251 --> 00:27:32,085
I suppose, by then.
614
00:27:32,152 --> 00:27:33,453
So, John was hired
615
00:27:33,487 --> 00:27:36,423
for his expertise with this new
software, Avid,
616
00:27:36,455 --> 00:27:38,959
that was revolutionizing
the film industry
617
00:27:39,026 --> 00:27:41,695
and allowing post teams
to edit faster.
618
00:27:41,795 --> 00:27:44,698
I mean, it's an incredibly
elaborate task,
619
00:27:44,765 --> 00:27:45,933
making a film like this.
620
00:27:46,266 --> 00:27:48,502
Peter Jackson's
high shooting rate
621
00:27:48,535 --> 00:27:52,105
meant there was almost
an infinite amount of choices.
622
00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:55,542
Some days, I would get so much
footage just to view it all
623
00:27:55,542 --> 00:27:58,111
and then try and construct
a sequence out of it
624
00:27:58,178 --> 00:28:00,113
and then be ready
for the next day's footage
625
00:28:00,147 --> 00:28:01,448
was quite daunting.
626
00:28:01,515 --> 00:28:04,618
More than
6 million feet of film
627
00:28:04,651 --> 00:28:06,453
would be shot for the trilogy,
628
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,224
which is how John ended up
with a four-hour rough cut.
629
00:28:10,324 --> 00:28:11,892
The film was quite long.
630
00:28:11,992 --> 00:28:13,193
Too long.
631
00:28:13,227 --> 00:28:15,362
And there was only one thing
for that.
632
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,636
I was concerned about the length
at times and I would try
633
00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:26,039
and find things I thought
that I could take aside and say,
634
00:28:26,073 --> 00:28:28,407
"This'll be good
for the DVD extras,"
635
00:28:28,475 --> 00:28:30,878
so it was a way of saying,
"All is not lost."
636
00:28:30,978 --> 00:28:32,412
Because some of them
had expensive
637
00:28:32,412 --> 00:28:33,680
visual effects were done
638
00:28:33,847 --> 00:28:36,583
and it becomes a commitment
to them being in the film
639
00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:39,686
once they sort of are
so extensively worked on.
640
00:28:40,354 --> 00:28:42,523
Nevertheless,
fitting the whole scope
641
00:28:42,556 --> 00:28:45,192
of Tolkien's Middle Earth
into the first film
642
00:28:45,225 --> 00:28:47,361
was a lot of responsibility.
643
00:28:48,028 --> 00:28:51,164
I didn't really care
about the fans, to be honest.
644
00:28:51,198 --> 00:28:52,699
I just wanted the film to work
645
00:28:52,766 --> 00:28:55,335
as its own entity
and to make sense.
646
00:28:55,335 --> 00:28:57,771
I didn't want you
to have to know the books
647
00:28:57,838 --> 00:28:59,339
to enjoy the film.
648
00:28:59,439 --> 00:29:01,508
So, John made sure audiences
649
00:29:01,508 --> 00:29:04,578
never lost focus on the main
character's journey.
650
00:29:05,045 --> 00:29:07,214
The audience has to run
with Frodo.
651
00:29:07,281 --> 00:29:10,884
If the narrative wasn't talking
about Frodo or the ring,
652
00:29:10,951 --> 00:29:11,885
it had to be cut.
653
00:29:11,952 --> 00:29:14,254
I will take the ring to Mordor.
654
00:29:14,354 --> 00:29:17,224
[Gilbert] He's a little guy who
takes on this huge mission
655
00:29:17,291 --> 00:29:20,627
and I wanted the audience
to really empathize with him
656
00:29:20,694 --> 00:29:23,897
taking it on and see his act
of courage for what it was.
657
00:29:24,298 --> 00:29:26,066
And while Frodo's sacrifice
658
00:29:26,066 --> 00:29:28,435
was something all audiences
could relate to,
659
00:29:28,869 --> 00:29:31,738
John and Peter struggled
with how to properly
660
00:29:31,738 --> 00:29:34,408
drop audiences
into Middle Earth.
661
00:29:35,242 --> 00:29:38,745
[Galadriel] It began with
the forging of the great rings.
662
00:29:39,646 --> 00:29:42,382
Eventually, having
Philippa Boyens write
663
00:29:42,416 --> 00:29:45,552
a near 7-minute-long prologue.
664
00:29:45,986 --> 00:29:48,956
That was a real struggle,
trying to find the rhythm of it,
665
00:29:48,989 --> 00:29:51,225
the weight
of the various elements.
666
00:29:51,291 --> 00:29:54,161
[Galadriel] Nine rings were
gifted to the race of men.
667
00:29:54,228 --> 00:29:56,396
[Gilbert] And there was a lot
of different elements to it,
668
00:29:56,396 --> 00:29:59,233
so it was shot very piecemeal.
669
00:29:59,299 --> 00:30:01,568
[McWeeny] The prologue was
something that took shape
670
00:30:01,568 --> 00:30:03,904
over several different
iterations of this,
671
00:30:03,937 --> 00:30:06,607
is necessary, I think,
in order to drop the world in.
672
00:30:06,673 --> 00:30:09,009
[Galadriel] In the fires of Mount Doom.
673
00:30:09,009 --> 00:30:10,677
But it's also a big ask.
674
00:30:10,744 --> 00:30:12,279
You're asking an audience
to absorb
675
00:30:12,346 --> 00:30:14,448
this massive amount
of material up front
676
00:30:14,481 --> 00:30:17,184
and you're gambling
that the normies,
677
00:30:17,284 --> 00:30:19,353
the people that aren't alreadyLord of the Rings fanatics,
678
00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:22,856
aren't going to be
absolutely baffled
679
00:30:22,856 --> 00:30:24,157
by what you're throwing at them.
680
00:30:24,157 --> 00:30:25,325
[Gilbert] It was so important.
681
00:30:25,425 --> 00:30:27,861
We sort of fiddled with it
for a long time
682
00:30:27,961 --> 00:30:29,696
to make sure that
it was just right.
683
00:30:29,796 --> 00:30:32,099
'Cause while it may
be hard to believe,
684
00:30:32,099 --> 00:30:34,001
there were plenty of folks
back then
685
00:30:34,034 --> 00:30:36,670
that were unfamiliar
with what a Hobbit was.
686
00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:39,706
And so, Peter Jackson
figured he could hook
687
00:30:39,773 --> 00:30:42,709
uninitiated audiences
with one thing.
688
00:30:42,709 --> 00:30:45,112
Peter wanted there to be
something epic
689
00:30:45,145 --> 00:30:47,181
right from the start,
rather than we have to wait
690
00:30:47,181 --> 00:30:48,649
for the third film
to see the big battles.
691
00:30:48,682 --> 00:30:51,051
It's like, "Let's put a big
battle right at the start."
692
00:30:52,719 --> 00:30:56,223
We had elves and Orcs and men
693
00:30:56,290 --> 00:30:58,725
all fighting together
in this big battle.
694
00:31:04,298 --> 00:31:06,066
Die-hard fans,
on the other hand,
695
00:31:06,066 --> 00:31:09,036
would need something a little
more tantalizing.
696
00:31:09,036 --> 00:31:13,707
[Gollum] My precious.
697
00:31:13,807 --> 00:31:16,710
We had very few Gollum shots
in the first film.
698
00:31:16,743 --> 00:31:19,546
So, they made sure
to include him in the prologue.
699
00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:21,248
A tease of him,
'cause obviously,
700
00:31:21,315 --> 00:31:25,219
they were working on the digital
Gollum right until the very end.
701
00:31:26,053 --> 00:31:27,421
The prologue also meant
702
00:31:27,487 --> 00:31:30,057
the trilogy would need
to establish its storyteller,
703
00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:31,592
the voice of the film.
704
00:31:31,825 --> 00:31:33,093
But who should that be?
705
00:31:33,694 --> 00:31:35,929
At first, it was going
to be Frodo.
706
00:31:36,496 --> 00:31:38,699
Then they considered Gandalf.
707
00:31:39,032 --> 00:31:41,935
Ahh, if you can have anyone
do a voice-over,
708
00:31:42,002 --> 00:31:43,337
anyone do narration,
709
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:45,205
just let Cate Blanchett
do all of it.
710
00:31:45,272 --> 00:31:48,041
Unfortunately,
the late call on narrator
711
00:31:48,041 --> 00:31:50,043
meant a late call to Sydney.
712
00:31:50,110 --> 00:31:51,378
Peter and Fran couldn't go.
713
00:31:51,445 --> 00:31:53,614
So, they asked
Barrie to supervise.
714
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,449
I was tapped in by phone.
715
00:31:55,849 --> 00:31:57,384
And while
the Australian actress
716
00:31:57,417 --> 00:31:59,086
recorded her lines from afar,
717
00:31:59,186 --> 00:32:02,389
she definitely
didn't phone it in.
718
00:32:02,756 --> 00:32:06,126
[Galadriel in elvish] I amar presten.
719
00:32:06,126 --> 00:32:08,428
The world is changed.
720
00:32:09,263 --> 00:32:11,231
I feel it in the water.
721
00:32:13,066 --> 00:32:15,569
I remember, it was breathtaking.
722
00:32:15,602 --> 00:32:17,037
I was just blown away.
723
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:19,139
Take one was perfect.
724
00:32:19,239 --> 00:32:21,542
But without Peter
and Fran's feedback,
725
00:32:21,642 --> 00:32:23,644
Cate wasn't convinced.
726
00:32:23,744 --> 00:32:25,646
She said, "Well, I'd really like
to know what they think."
727
00:32:25,646 --> 00:32:27,915
And thankfully,
Fran became available.
728
00:32:27,915 --> 00:32:29,616
I got on the phone with her.
729
00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:32,319
And Fran said, "Oh,
that's perfect."
730
00:32:32,386 --> 00:32:33,620
'Cause it was perfect.
731
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,156
But what wasn't perfect yet
732
00:32:36,223 --> 00:32:38,458
was the end of the Fellowship
of the Ring,
733
00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:40,394
which presented a challenge.
734
00:32:40,394 --> 00:32:44,765
It became absolutely important
to them to find a note
735
00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:46,934
that they could leaveFellowship of the Ring on,
736
00:32:47,067 --> 00:32:49,670
that felt hopeful,
that still felt like,
737
00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:53,140
"Yes, there's more story,
but this story is done."
738
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,408
With post production
739
00:32:54,474 --> 00:32:56,610
on Fellowship of the Ringin full gear,
740
00:32:56,977 --> 00:32:59,146
Peter Jackson was still
looking to create
741
00:32:59,179 --> 00:33:03,483
a satisfying end that would
also serve as a beginning
for part two.
742
00:33:03,584 --> 00:33:05,152
[Gandalf] The Two Towers.
743
00:33:05,185 --> 00:33:07,955
It became very tricky
and it was a moving target
744
00:33:07,988 --> 00:33:10,290
that changed several times,
even during production.
745
00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:12,125
One thing that Philippa,
746
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:13,994
Fran and Peter could agree on
747
00:33:13,994 --> 00:33:15,796
was the need to have a death
748
00:33:15,863 --> 00:33:16,964
before the ending.
749
00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:18,365
You fought bravely.
750
00:33:18,432 --> 00:33:21,134
Eventually, they settle
on the death of Boromir.
751
00:33:21,134 --> 00:33:23,136
They settle on that moment.
752
00:33:23,170 --> 00:33:24,338
It is over.
753
00:33:24,705 --> 00:33:27,274
In the novel,
the death of Boromir
754
00:33:27,307 --> 00:33:29,877
takes places at the beginning
of the Two Towers
755
00:33:30,477 --> 00:33:33,447
and by moving it up to the end
of the Fellowship
of the Ring,
756
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,681
it gave the film
757
00:33:34,781 --> 00:33:36,049
an emotional climax.
758
00:33:36,216 --> 00:33:37,284
And Peter shot
759
00:33:37,484 --> 00:33:40,387
a lot of film
for Sean Bean's death scene.
760
00:33:41,355 --> 00:33:43,023
No!
761
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:46,226
He had some particular ideas
about how it would go together.
762
00:33:47,027 --> 00:33:50,130
And some quite impressionistic
kind of moments in there
763
00:33:51,198 --> 00:33:53,667
with him fighting on, manfully,
764
00:33:53,667 --> 00:33:55,669
while he's got all these arrows
stuck in him.
765
00:33:56,336 --> 00:33:59,806
And Viggo running to him
and them having their little
piece of dialogue at the end.
766
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,375
They took the little ones.
767
00:34:01,475 --> 00:34:03,177
- Be still.
- And I cut the scene...
768
00:34:03,243 --> 00:34:05,012
I would have followed you,
my brother.
769
00:34:05,045 --> 00:34:06,547
[Gilbert] I heard a couple of weeks later
770
00:34:06,580 --> 00:34:08,148
that Peter was very pleased
with what I did,
771
00:34:08,181 --> 00:34:10,684
so we didn't go back and mess
with it too much.
772
00:34:10,684 --> 00:34:12,052
Well, as they say,
773
00:34:12,085 --> 00:34:13,754
you don't mess with perfection.
774
00:34:13,987 --> 00:34:18,158
But one thing that was messed
with was the film's finale.
775
00:34:18,158 --> 00:34:20,427
[Bennett] At the end of the day,
it was Frodo's story,
776
00:34:20,494 --> 00:34:24,431
so they wanted to end it
on Frodo instead of Aragorn.
777
00:34:24,531 --> 00:34:26,433
And New Line insisted
778
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:31,839
on a big action moment for him,
in fact, they insisted on this.
779
00:34:31,872 --> 00:34:33,974
Frodo and Sam are in the water,
780
00:34:33,974 --> 00:34:35,576
heading across
to the other side.
781
00:34:36,043 --> 00:34:38,679
When all of a sudden, the
Uruk-hai pop out of the water
782
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,948
and then they drag
Mr. Frodo under
783
00:34:41,014 --> 00:34:42,850
and they wrestle with him
in the water.
784
00:34:42,850 --> 00:34:44,585
When the ring
falls off his neck
785
00:34:44,585 --> 00:34:46,420
and starts floating down
to the bottom,
786
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,789
the Uruk-hai,
infatuated with the ring,
787
00:34:49,223 --> 00:34:51,258
swim after it, but then drown.
788
00:34:51,358 --> 00:34:54,795
So, then Sam can pull Mr. Frodo
out of the water and hurray,
789
00:34:54,862 --> 00:34:56,563
he's saved,
and then they take a big breath,
790
00:34:56,630 --> 00:34:58,599
they go down and get the ring,
they come back up.
791
00:34:58,632 --> 00:35:00,968
They get in the boat,
they drive to the other side.
792
00:35:01,368 --> 00:35:03,136
Badda bing, badda boom,
they're out.
793
00:35:03,136 --> 00:35:04,905
And so was that scene.
794
00:35:05,539 --> 00:35:07,641
Because Peter wanted
an emotional ending
795
00:35:08,141 --> 00:35:10,277
rather than a Hollywood
action scene.
796
00:35:10,944 --> 00:35:13,714
[Busch] If you end a film where
someone is thinking like,
797
00:35:13,714 --> 00:35:16,950
"I can stop now, it'd be better
for me if I stopped now..."
798
00:35:17,317 --> 00:35:19,119
[Frodo] I wish the ring
had never come to me.
799
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:20,454
"But it won't."
800
00:35:21,288 --> 00:35:23,623
That's the moment where
everyone knows that moment,
801
00:35:23,623 --> 00:35:25,659
everyone knows the moment
they didn't take that step.
802
00:35:25,726 --> 00:35:27,728
Everyone knows the moment
they did take that step.
803
00:35:28,228 --> 00:35:31,732
I think that that's a really
powerful thing for people.
804
00:35:31,998 --> 00:35:33,400
Go back, Sam!
805
00:35:34,434 --> 00:35:35,602
Peter eventually
806
00:35:35,602 --> 00:35:37,538
convinced New Line
he was right.
807
00:35:37,571 --> 00:35:41,341
He will persevere until
he's got exactly what he wants.
808
00:35:41,375 --> 00:35:44,277
He's willing to go through
whatever it takes
809
00:35:44,311 --> 00:35:46,346
to make the film
as good as it can be.
810
00:35:46,947 --> 00:35:50,350
Sam nearly drowning
was a difficult scene.
811
00:35:50,684 --> 00:35:52,953
You had to empathize
with Frodo...
812
00:35:52,986 --> 00:35:55,189
- Sam!
- ...and feel for his courage.
813
00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:58,492
That was the key to the end
of the story for me.
814
00:35:59,826 --> 00:36:02,094
[Busch] That leaves you
with such a gut punch
815
00:36:02,429 --> 00:36:04,998
that it's the perfect stopping
point for the first film.
816
00:36:05,332 --> 00:36:06,533
With only a few months
817
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,434
before The Fellowship of
818
00:36:07,467 --> 00:36:09,169
the Ring was due in theaters,
819
00:36:09,603 --> 00:36:12,606
New Line was eager
to see a cut.
820
00:36:12,672 --> 00:36:16,643
I think the first screening
was in July of 2001.
821
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:18,846
And after the lights
came up in the room,
822
00:36:19,012 --> 00:36:23,183
there was only one thing
New Line's CEO, Bob Shaye,
could do.
823
00:36:23,283 --> 00:36:27,688
Bob is an emotional guy
and he cried.
824
00:36:27,955 --> 00:36:30,724
He went into the restroom
and cried.
825
00:36:31,725 --> 00:36:33,827
I can't say if it was cry
of relief,
826
00:36:33,893 --> 00:36:37,664
or cry of excitement
and appreciation.
827
00:36:37,731 --> 00:36:40,167
It was good news
for Peter and the team.
828
00:36:40,234 --> 00:36:42,736
[Lyon] They were all excited
and celebrating
829
00:36:42,835 --> 00:36:45,072
that they had just gotten
the first cut
830
00:36:45,138 --> 00:36:47,174
approved by the studio.
831
00:36:47,241 --> 00:36:49,142
But it was only
a momentary victory.
832
00:36:49,209 --> 00:36:52,346
There still was a lot of work
to be done
833
00:36:52,346 --> 00:36:54,248
because there was
a lot of green screen.
834
00:36:54,915 --> 00:36:57,518
[Gilbert] We were supposed
to lock the film in August,
835
00:36:57,584 --> 00:37:00,219
and we didn't quite make it.
836
00:37:00,254 --> 00:37:02,556
To make the tight
deadline even worse...
837
00:37:02,656 --> 00:37:04,758
[Gilbert] Peter was recording
with the London Philharmonic
838
00:37:04,858 --> 00:37:06,994
- at the end of August.
- So once again,
839
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:10,564
they had to pivot
and think outside the box.
840
00:37:10,564 --> 00:37:12,199
And when Peter flew to London
841
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,067
to work with composer
Howard Shore...
842
00:37:14,168 --> 00:37:17,571
We had to set up an editing room
in London to continue editing.
843
00:37:18,038 --> 00:37:19,273
Thankfully, the score
844
00:37:19,273 --> 00:37:22,042
put the finishing touch
on many of the scenes.
845
00:37:22,109 --> 00:37:25,245
Oh, Howard Shore's score
was fantastic. I was so pleased.
846
00:37:29,082 --> 00:37:31,451
Big score for the battle scenes
and so on.
847
00:37:31,451 --> 00:37:33,219
I thought he did
a fantastic job.
848
00:37:37,257 --> 00:37:39,893
I think his theme for Hobbinton
from the beginning of the film
849
00:37:39,927 --> 00:37:43,096
was something that stuck
in people's heads immediately
850
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:46,433
and I can still hear it
playing in my head now if I try.
851
00:37:46,466 --> 00:37:48,402
I think it was
an integral part of the story.
852
00:37:48,969 --> 00:37:51,572
But just as the score
was wrapped up...
853
00:37:52,573 --> 00:37:55,909
[Gilbert] We were in
the cutting room and someone
came in and said,
854
00:37:55,943 --> 00:37:57,643
"Oh, well, you should come out
and watch this TV,
855
00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:58,979
there's something
weird going on."
856
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:02,282
It was the morning
of September the 11th.
857
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:05,219
[Gilbert] There on live TV
right in front of us
858
00:38:05,252 --> 00:38:07,621
as we walked into the room,
the second plane hit the tower.
859
00:38:08,222 --> 00:38:09,890
With all flights grounded,
860
00:38:09,922 --> 00:38:13,393
they soon realized they'd be
staying in London indefinitely.
861
00:38:14,294 --> 00:38:17,898
Meanwhile, new problems
suddenly emerged.
862
00:38:17,965 --> 00:38:20,968
I knew we had ratings issues
that we were concerned about.
863
00:38:21,668 --> 00:38:23,070
We have a cave troll.
864
00:38:23,136 --> 00:38:25,439
The MPAA was concerned
865
00:38:25,439 --> 00:38:28,675
with the amount of blood
in the Mines of Moria scene.
866
00:38:28,675 --> 00:38:30,310
Yah!
867
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:32,312
[Osborne] But we successfully argued
868
00:38:32,346 --> 00:38:35,015
that it's mostly Orc blood,
it's all black not red.
869
00:38:35,082 --> 00:38:37,818
So it's not as frightening
to people.
870
00:38:37,918 --> 00:38:41,522
Thankfully, there
were no Orcs in the MPAA.
871
00:38:41,688 --> 00:38:43,290
We basically got our rating.
872
00:38:43,323 --> 00:38:45,826
We had to make a few changes,
minor changes.
873
00:38:45,859 --> 00:38:47,661
But even the most
minor of changes
874
00:38:47,694 --> 00:38:49,329
had New Line concerned.
875
00:38:49,429 --> 00:38:51,498
It was a lot of work.
I mean, the deadlines,
876
00:38:51,498 --> 00:38:53,834
everything was so tight.
So, so tight.
877
00:38:53,934 --> 00:38:55,969
I think they were probably
anxious right through
878
00:38:56,003 --> 00:38:59,072
to the end, really,
until the film opened.
879
00:38:59,106 --> 00:39:00,373
I'm sure they were anxious.
880
00:39:01,875 --> 00:39:03,377
The Fellowship of the Ring
881
00:39:03,377 --> 00:39:05,846
premiered
in J.R.R. Tolkien's homeland
882
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:09,149
on December the 10th, 2001.
883
00:39:09,483 --> 00:39:11,852
[Galano] The first premiere,
we did in London
884
00:39:11,852 --> 00:39:13,887
and we did a huge event there.
885
00:39:13,954 --> 00:39:17,056
And then we had a huge
screening in Leicester Square.
886
00:39:17,157 --> 00:39:18,625
Few could deny
887
00:39:18,659 --> 00:39:22,629
that Tolkien's magic kingdom
now had a definitive look.
888
00:39:23,197 --> 00:39:24,698
It was as good as official.
889
00:39:24,731 --> 00:39:27,801
What blew us away and what
everybody was saying
890
00:39:27,801 --> 00:39:30,704
when we came out was
that's exactly what we'd seen
891
00:39:30,737 --> 00:39:32,573
in our minds
when we read the book.
892
00:39:32,973 --> 00:39:35,175
That was Middle Earth,
that was Lord of the Rings.
893
00:39:35,342 --> 00:39:37,143
It just seemed right,
it just seemed like,
894
00:39:37,177 --> 00:39:38,745
"Yeah, that's what
it should be."
895
00:39:38,846 --> 00:39:41,748
[Galano] I've never experienced
anything like that before.
896
00:39:42,248 --> 00:39:46,753
When the film started opening,
the numbers that were coming in
897
00:39:47,087 --> 00:39:51,190
from every single country
around the world,
898
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:54,594
that people were just shocked.
899
00:39:54,695 --> 00:39:59,333
All I can say is from the film
we saw in July of 2001
900
00:39:59,399 --> 00:40:02,736
to the finished film
and what Peter did,
901
00:40:02,835 --> 00:40:04,371
he's a master filmmaker.
902
00:40:04,404 --> 00:40:06,172
I mean,
it was just unbelievable.
903
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,742
I remember going to midnight
screenings of it.
904
00:40:08,842 --> 00:40:10,878
Like, it was intense.
905
00:40:10,944 --> 00:40:13,547
If you want him,
come and claim him.
906
00:40:13,614 --> 00:40:15,114
[Busch] With all the wonderful
things I'd heard,
907
00:40:15,215 --> 00:40:18,252
even with all the rumors,
and I still walked in
908
00:40:18,252 --> 00:40:21,355
and I don't think I closed
my mouth for the entire film.
909
00:40:21,421 --> 00:40:23,556
It was exactly what I'd
envisioned in my head.
910
00:40:24,056 --> 00:40:26,460
As the film rippled
around the world...
911
00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:27,761
- Gahh!
- Gahh!
912
00:40:27,761 --> 00:40:29,196
...it became clear
913
00:40:29,229 --> 00:40:32,266
The Fellowship of the Ringhad not only redefined Tolkien
914
00:40:32,299 --> 00:40:36,402
on screen, but had taken
his work mainstream.
915
00:40:36,436 --> 00:40:39,439
[Drout] After the Ralph Bakshi
movie in 1978,
916
00:40:39,606 --> 00:40:43,477
it was really still
very much a subculture.
917
00:40:43,577 --> 00:40:47,781
Like, you couldn't make aLord of the Rings reference...
918
00:40:47,881 --> 00:40:50,450
One ring to bring them all.
919
00:40:50,751 --> 00:40:52,619
...and not be flagged as a nerd.
920
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,322
Or just have no one understand
what you're referring to.
921
00:40:55,389 --> 00:40:57,424
That was now
a thing of the past.
922
00:40:57,457 --> 00:40:59,927
One ring to rule them all.
923
00:41:00,127 --> 00:41:02,496
But perhaps
the film's greatest achievement
924
00:41:02,896 --> 00:41:04,797
was something
no one saw coming.
925
00:41:05,766 --> 00:41:07,801
[McWeeny] Lord of the Ringshad an emotional note
926
00:41:07,901 --> 00:41:09,503
that even if you were
a Lord of the Rings fan,
927
00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:11,605
I don't think you could have
predicted the way
928
00:41:11,905 --> 00:41:14,842
it just pierced
pop consciousness.
929
00:41:14,942 --> 00:41:17,511
It wasn't just big,
it was massive.
930
00:41:18,145 --> 00:41:21,748
For the first time,
fantasy was cool.
931
00:41:21,815 --> 00:41:24,685
Fantasy was thought of
by everybody that it was a genre
932
00:41:24,751 --> 00:41:27,087
that very few women
were interested in
933
00:41:27,154 --> 00:41:30,991
and that was proven utterly
and completely wrong.
934
00:41:31,123 --> 00:41:34,161
And that, like that, doubled
the size of the audience.
935
00:41:34,261 --> 00:41:36,597
Lord of the Ringsalso happened to arrive
936
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:40,367
just as fandom was searching
for a new cinematic dynasty.
937
00:41:42,268 --> 00:41:44,171
Star Wars had been
nothing but divisive
938
00:41:44,171 --> 00:41:45,806
when it came out in 1999.
939
00:41:45,873 --> 00:41:47,373
Mesa called Jar Jar Binks.
940
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,676
It had broken fandom
to a large degree.
941
00:41:49,776 --> 00:41:51,111
Lord of the Rings
was the opposite
942
00:41:51,178 --> 00:41:54,047
and it really opened the door
for a lot of people.
943
00:41:54,147 --> 00:41:56,783
The film also put
New Zealand on the map.
944
00:41:57,351 --> 00:42:01,788
Now Middle Earth, no longer
middle of the road.
945
00:42:01,855 --> 00:42:04,358
We'd gone from this little sort
of tiny island backwater
946
00:42:04,391 --> 00:42:05,692
to the center of Hollywood.
947
00:42:05,792 --> 00:42:08,195
And just really gave everyone
a sense of pride,
948
00:42:08,228 --> 00:42:09,363
and like, "Oh, wow,
we can do this.
949
00:42:09,463 --> 00:42:10,697
We can kick it
with the big boys."
950
00:42:10,797 --> 00:42:11,899
Proof of that came
951
00:42:11,965 --> 00:42:14,201
at the 74th Academy Awards.
952
00:42:14,301 --> 00:42:15,969
And the Oscar goes to...
953
00:42:16,036 --> 00:42:18,205
- And the Oscar goes to...
- Goes to...
954
00:42:18,305 --> 00:42:20,541
- ...The Lord of the Rings:
The Fellowship of the Ring.
955
00:42:20,541 --> 00:42:23,076
The Fellowshipcollected four Oscars.
956
00:42:23,076 --> 00:42:26,013
The success of the first film
ensured the biggest project
957
00:42:26,013 --> 00:42:27,581
in movie history could fly.
958
00:42:27,848 --> 00:42:31,718
Now it was a question
of how high and how far.
959
00:42:31,985 --> 00:42:35,822
Where do you go from making
that kind of art at that level?
960
00:42:35,856 --> 00:42:37,024
Where do you go from there?
961
00:42:37,357 --> 00:42:39,526
There's only up
or there's only sideways.
962
00:42:39,593 --> 00:42:40,861
Whether the trilogy
963
00:42:40,893 --> 00:42:44,097
would go sideways or even
backwards would depend
964
00:42:44,164 --> 00:42:45,899
on more than just a vision.
965
00:42:45,899 --> 00:42:47,701
[McCaffrey] The first movie,
obviously, set a platform,
966
00:42:47,701 --> 00:42:49,102
but then in the back
of our minds,
967
00:42:49,102 --> 00:42:50,370
we potentially
were always going,
968
00:42:50,404 --> 00:42:52,706
"Will two and three be
as well received?"
969
00:42:52,773 --> 00:42:55,876
That would depend
in part on technology.
970
00:42:56,176 --> 00:42:58,344
There's gotta be another way
to do this.
971
00:42:58,378 --> 00:43:01,415
The only problem was,
it didn't exist yet.
972
00:43:01,448 --> 00:43:03,217
New Line was worried
about the Weta,
973
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:05,185
about their capacity to deliver.
974
00:43:05,352 --> 00:43:07,286
And the people
who needed to create it
975
00:43:07,354 --> 00:43:08,956
had their own problems.
976
00:43:09,022 --> 00:43:11,859
I found out that there was
a lot of dysfunction at Weta.
77762
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