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Peter Jackson's
The Lord of the Rings...
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[Gandalf] There is only one
Lord of the Ring...
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We were filming
three massive films,
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all happening at the same time.
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The cinematic saga
that conquered Hollywood...
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The Oscar goes
to The Lord of the Rings.
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...as well as the world.
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People lost their minds.
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From the battlefields
of World War I...
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Tolkien did see action
in France.
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...to the battle
of how to visualize
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the sprawling saga.
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Retreat to the caves.
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It just ends. Boom.
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Harvey said,
"If you don't wanna do it,
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"we'll find another director."
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They realized,
"We have to rescue this thing".
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An incalculable risk.
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This hadn't really been done
before.
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It's the chronicle
of the unlikely Kiwis.
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And I thought, "There's gotta be
another way to do this".
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The outsiders...
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Jackson was adamant
on filming in New Zealand,
and they let him.
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Half the country
worked on those movies.
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...that
revolutionized filmmaking.
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You know, we all were
along for the ride
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and holding on for dear life.
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An epic story,
epic amount of money.
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We can't afford to fail.
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They'd need
to break the rules.
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So many lawsuits were filed.
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You will be blacklisted forever.
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Not to mention,
break a few bones.
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You know,
a lot of people got hurt.
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-
- Stitches.
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[Elijah] Oh, my God.
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Teeth came out of my mouth,
flew through the air.
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And there's Christopher Lee
holding his face.
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A cast and crew...
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- Liv hated horses.
- Oh, ow!
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There was
a Harvey Weinstein orc.
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...pushed to the limit...
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- We had people fainting.
- I remember him saying,
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"This is not
why I became an actor".
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...plagued by disaster...
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There was flooding.
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...after disaster.
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Police came
and stopped us from filming.
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The fate
of the franchise
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lay in the hands
of an unlikely fellowship.
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Fran is a very astute director,
writer.
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It was the tale
of love...
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They got romantically
involved
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and then became
creative partners.
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...and heartbreak...
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The decision was made
to let him go.
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...epic victories...
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It was mind-blowing.
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$2.9 billion
at the box office.
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Fantastic.
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[Graham] ...and unprecedented
failure.
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Are you just now working out
how to shoot this?
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[Graham] It's the story of how
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an unassuming filmmaker
beat Hollywood...
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He will persevere until
he's got exactly what he wants.
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[Graham] ...without leaving
his backyard.
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This is the greatest adventure
story there's ever been.
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[Graham] Amidst the lushest
green rolling hills
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of a land
very much like Middle Earth...
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[Bilbo] There's always been
a Baggins living here.
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[Graham] ...could be found
a powerful, wild-bearded,
woolly wizard
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of incredible power,
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full of wisdom and whimsy,
and his name?
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Gandalf the Grey.
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[Graham] Ah, no, no, no.
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Who are you?
Show yourself.
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Gandalf the White.
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[Graham] No, no version of Gandalf.
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- No?
- [Graham] We're talking,
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of course,
about the New Zealander...
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- Peter Jackson.
- [Graham] Right.
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And it's this wild, woolly
New Zealander,
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along with his partner,
Fran Walsh,
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who brought us, arguably,
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the greatest literary
adaptation
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in the history of cinema.
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For which I am very thankful.
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[Graham] But under this wild,
woolly beard
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can be found a boy.
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You carry the fate of us all,
little one.
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[Graham] In the 1960s,
this little Peter Jackson
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wasn't content playing
with toys like the other kids.
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He's wanted to be a filmmaker
ever since he was ten.
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Well, I had a little
Super 8 Camera
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that couldn't shoot sound.
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[Graham] There was
just one slight problem.
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Peter Jackson is one of those
guys who's movie-obsessed
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from birth,
but born in the wrong place,
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on the other side of the globe
in New Zealand.
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The film industry
hadn't really taken off.
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We only made
one or two movies a year.
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[Graham] The young Peter
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wasn't about to let that
stop him.
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He got interested in filmmaking
about the 1933 King Kong.
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The eighth wonder of the world.
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It is the movie that made him
wanna make movies.
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[Graham] But this isn't
the story of Peter Jackson.
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Well, it is, but, it isn't.
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We're here to learn
about The Lord of the Rings,
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and to do that,
we have to return
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to where it all began.
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[Bilbo] Ah, yes.
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[Graham] Not at all Middle Earth
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and not New Zealand,
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but rather King's Heath,
England,
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in the very early 1900s,
where the would-be author
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of these classic novels lived,
with his mother and brother.
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So, Tolkien was living in this
little village in England,
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just trees, greenery.
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Everything he writes
about the Shire is that time
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when he was eight or nine
or ten years old.
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And then, his mother dies
and he's a total orphan,
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him and his brother.
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[Janet] His father, he had died
of rheumatic fever.
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His mother,
she died with diabetes.
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[Chris] This good
Catholic Father
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puts them up
in a boarding house.
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[Janet] He helped them continue
their education.
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He was a very kindly man
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and he cared very deeply
about both of them
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and was always looking out
for them.
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[Graham] Through his teenage
years and into adulthood,
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Tolkien fell in love
with language.
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He loved the sound of words,
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and the relationship between
sound and meaning,
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and how these things
could influence each other.
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[Graham] But he also loved
Mother England,
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enlisting to fight
during World War I.
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His battalion was sent
to France.
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His unit did see action
in France.
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They were in the trenches
at the Battle of the Somme.
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[Graham] Yet, amidst
the muddy horrors of war,
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Tolkien wasn't struck
by a bullet,
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but by inspiration.
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Tolkien came down
with trench fever
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and was sent to the hospital.
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While he was in this period
of recovery,
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that's when we see him starting
to write all these stories
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that had been fizzing
in his head.
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[Corey] That time, from when
he was still in the hospital
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to when he was recuperating
afterwards,
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his writings really began
to blossom,
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and a lot of the things
that he would go on to write,
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many of them were written
during that time.
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After the war was over,
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he and his small family
moved back to Oxford.
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[Graham] Yet, even
as he continued life
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back in the real world
of academia...
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At Oxford, Tolkien was
a very popular lecturer.
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[Graham] ...his fever dream
persisted.
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[Michael] He said
he was grading exams.
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The candidate had done
the kindest thing a candidate
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can ever do for an examiner,
which is to leave a page blank.
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[Graham] And here,
on this page...
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Blank, glorious.
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[Graham] ...J.R.R. Tolkien
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penned the most consequential
words of his life.
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So, I scribbled on it,
I can't think why,
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"In a hole in the ground
there lived a Hobbit".
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[Graham] The Hobbit was
the tale of Bilbo Baggins,
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an unlikely hero thrust
into a grand adventure.
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So, The Hobbit grew
from this light adventure story
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that he started telling
to his muse's children,
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to include deeper matters
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and traces
of his growing mythology.
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[Corey] He wrote The Hobbitover the course
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of something like three years.
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And he has a friend
that's a publisher.
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He sends it to him and they have
their son look at it,
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and their son can't put it down.
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[Graham] The question was,
of course,
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would the general public
pick it up?
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On its release in 1937,
that question was answered.
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The first printing sold out
by Christmas.
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This is the greatest adventure
story there's ever been.
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There are so many creatures,
and there's dragons
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and there's hobbits
and there's spiders.
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So with the success
of the Hobbit,
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the publisher says,
"People want more".
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[Corey] The Hobbit thing
is a winner.
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Write us some more
fun hobbit stories.
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If you can keep churning
these puppies out,
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we can keep selling them
and this is gonna be fantastic.
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[Graham] And so,
riding a groundswell
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of hobbit enthusiasm,
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Tolkien got straight to work
on the sequel.
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[Janet] He started working
on The Lord of the Rings,
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and it would take him 17 years.
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[Graham] Ah, well, he did have
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an entire world
to immerse you in.
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[Elrond] Middle Earth stands
upon the brink of destruction.
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[Graham] And for Tolkien,
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it was all
about the little things.
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[Bilbo] Concerning hobbits.
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[Janet] He'd get lost
in these arcane questions
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about very minor points.
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How long
an elvish pregnancy lasts?
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Tolkien would spend two pages
describing a forest or a meadow.
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Or, what other races besides
hobbits ate mushrooms?
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Mushrooms!
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[Graham] Tolkien's expansive,
granular world
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was the perfect palette
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for this new tale
of Middle Earth,
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a tale that follows young...
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- Frodo Baggins.-...on an epic quest.
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By the way,
his name wasn't Frodo, yet.
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The original name of Bilbo's
heir was Bingo Baggins.
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For really a quite distressing
length of time.
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[Graham] That name certainly
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would have played
very differently.
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- Welcome to Rivendell...
- [Corey] Bingo Baggins.
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[Graham] But in the end...
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- [Bilbo] Frodo.
- [Graham] ...was his name-o.
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Tolkien finally decided
to change his name to Frodo.
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[Graham] And after 18 years,
one very large novel
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called The Lord of the Rings,
was complete.
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[Michael] It was so long.
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It's in this postwar period
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when there's paper shortages
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and a really high cost of paper,
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and the British economy
is in bad shape.
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And the publisher agreed
to publish it,
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but, they say, "We're gonna
publish it as three books.
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"We cannot publish as one
giant book the way you want,
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"and we can't pay you in advance
for something
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"that we think we might
lose money on.
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"In exchange,
if there ever are any royalties,
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"you'll get 20% rather than
the normal 10%."
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I think we might have
made a mistake.
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Turned out to be
the worst contract
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that any publisher
has ever signed anywhere,
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but how could they
possibly know it would sell
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hundreds of millions of copies?
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[Graham] But that success
didn't come overnight,
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as Tolkien had yet to find
an audience in the States.
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American sales were
kind of stagnant
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until the publishing company,
Ace,
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took advantage
of a legal loophole
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and published
a cheap paperback edition
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without Tolkien's permission.
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[Victoria] The books were
public domain the US,
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so they're like,
we're gonna be fine.
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[Graham] The publication
was controversial.
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And then, with that controversy,
people started reading it.
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[Corey] The books gained this
entire new second wave of life
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and became a cult classic
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in ways that it had never been
before.
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[Graham] The problem was,
that if Tolkien didn't own
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the rights to his novels
in the US,
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did that also mean
his life's work was
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fair game for Hollywood
to plunder as well?
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I don't want to be in a battle.
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Only time would tell.
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[Graham] The unauthorized publishing
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of the Lord of the Ringstrilogy in the United States
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left Tolkien wary
of his ability to control
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the rights to his own creation.
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However,
it wasn't all bad news.
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Those inexpensive paperbacks
were the basis
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for that campus craze
in the late 1960s.
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College students
everywhere were just,
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you know,
madly in love with this.
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We'd see buttons and graffiti,
"Frodo Lives",
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"Gandalf for President".
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[Graham] Tolkien now found himself
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a celebrity of sorts.
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And I think it took him
a bit by surprise.
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This aging, old-fashioned,
conservative,
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Catholic Oxford don
had people calling him
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at three o'clock
in the morning.
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He was puzzled and bemused
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by the kind of popularity
that he achieved.
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[Graham] But it wasn't just
kids in college.
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Tolkien had captured the hearts
of the most unlikely audience.
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American hippies, and with whom
he had very little in common.
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♪ In the middle of the earth
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♪ In the land of the Shire
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♪ Lives a brave little hobbit
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♪ Whom we all admire ♪
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[Graham] That's right.
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At 73 years old,
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Tolkien had officially become
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an icon of the counterculture.
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It was back to nature, it was,
you know, tree hugging,
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anti-materialistic
the hippie culture.
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The finest weed
in the Southfarthing.
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[Chris] Hobbiton,
it was that kind of world.
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And a lot of hippies
were rock musicians.
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[Graham] You could hear
Tolkien's influence
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on hit artists
like Black Sabbath...
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♪ A wizard walks by
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♪ Casting his shadow ♪
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[Graham] ...and Led Zeppelin.
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♪ In the darkest depths
Of Mordor ♪
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[David] When Led Zeppelin
released a song that references
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Lord of the Rings,everybody went,
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"Ooh, they're Tolkien fans".
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[Graham] But beyond rock stars,
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Lord of the Rings spoke
to the fears of a generation.
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[David] That generation
converged on Washington, D.C.
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to demonstrate their opposition
to the Vietnam War.
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[Corey] Americans who shared
the anti-war sentiment
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found that sentiment
to resonate
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with things
in The Lord of the Rings.
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[Graham] It's quite possible,
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without the flower-powered
fans of the '60s,
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Tolkien's works may have
slipped into obscurity.
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The universal appeal
of the Lord of the Rings
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spread beyond
the hippies eventually.
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The publication
of the Lord of the Rings
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made fantasy
go mainstream for adults
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in ways that it never had
before.
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[Graham] And so it was that
talk began of Tolkien's words
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leaping off the page
and onto the silver screen.
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However, J.R.R. was
initially reluctant
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to enter that conversation.
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He doesn't think
that it's gonna work
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when you have to follow
the Hollywood tropes.
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And not just make it into
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some kind of vehicle
for something else.
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[Graham] You mean, like a vehicle
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for a globally popular
pop band?
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[Andrew] The Beatles
were two films
into a three film deal
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with United Artists,
and they were looking for
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the third film
to complete that deal.
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All four of the Beatles
had read the books.
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Apparently,
John Lennon was the one
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who was really spearheading
the idea.
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John Lennon would be Gollum.
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[Gollum] My precious.
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[Michael] Paul McCartney
would be Frodo.
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- Gandalf.
- Yes.
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George Harrison
would be Gandalf.
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[Gandalf] I've thought
of a better use for you.
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[Michael] And Ringo Starr
would be Sam.
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[Gandalf] Come along,
Samwise, keep up.
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It is a wild scenario
to imagine.
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Their first choice to direct was
actually Stanley Kubrick.
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They actually showed up
on Stanley Kubrick's doorstep,
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the four Beatles.
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Kubrick actually
invited them in.
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They pitched it,
and at the end of the day,
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Kubrick turned it down.
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[Corey] Stanley Kubrick
thought that
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adapting The Lord of the Rings
well on film was impossible.
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[Graham] And on this matter,
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Tolkien and Kubrick
saw eye to eye.
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Tolkien said, "If you have
to suspend disbelief
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"while watching a film,
then the art has failed".
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I think it's very likely
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it would have been
a complete disaster.
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[Graham] Nevertheless,
in the years ahead,
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Hollywood's hunger
for the ring only grew...
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My precious.
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[Graham] ...while its author
only grew older, and in 1969,
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John Ronald Tolkien would
concede to the modern world,
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and Hollywood got its way.
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[Andrew] United Artists
acquired the rights
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from the Tolkien estates
directly.
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He did, in fact,
sell the film rights,
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partly because he needed
the money to pay the taxes
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from the unexpected income
from all the books.
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[Graham] United Artists
had the rights.
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So, there is a script
from John Boorman.
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[Graham] John Boorman
was a director on the rise.
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John Boorman, he wanted
to do Lord of the Rings.
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[Chris] So, John,
he had a version...
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[Janet] His script is really wild.
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He takes that story and goes off
into the strangest directions.
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He had a 700-page,
three-hour script.
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There was a lot of sex.
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...and went for almost
a rock and roll
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Lord of the Rings adaptation.
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He's got this whole sequence
of the Counsel of Elrond...
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You've been summoned here
to answer the threat of Mordor.
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...but it's like this kabuki
play and Cirque du Soleil,
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and it's just nothing at all
like it's described in the book.
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It would not have been
Tolkien at all.
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After the screenplay
was put together,
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United Artists essentially
rejected it.
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We had a lot of money in it.
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I didn't think the book could
be adaptable, even with John.
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Part of it had to do with,
you know,
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the amount of effects
that you would have needed.
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I don't know how the film
would have turned out
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'cause John never got to do it.
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[Graham] Boorman's unique adaptation
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had the unfortunate distinction
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of being the last
that Tolkien would see.
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[Corey] Tolkien died in 1973.
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[Graham] Lord of the Rings
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would be back
to the drawing board.
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The one ring to rule them all.
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[Graham] In this case,
the animation drawing board.
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[Graham] At the time
of Tolkien's passing,
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when you thought
of animation...
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Magic mirror on the wall,
who is the fairest one of all?
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[Graham] ...one name
came to mind.
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However,
there was another animator
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making a name for himself.
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Oh, yeah.
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Ralph Bakshi was anti...
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...you know,
he was the opposite of Disney.
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He was doing x-rated cartoons.
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[Graham] Bakshi believed
animation could be
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just as popular with adults.
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He had first doneFritz the Cat.
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Fritz had his own private
little orgy.
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[Graham] Based off Robert Crumb's
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infamous comic strip.
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Lovely set of eyes there.
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[Graham] Turns out not only
was there an audience
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for a sexually explicit
cartoon cat, it was huge.
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[Victoria] Fritz the Cat became
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the most successful animated
independent feature of all time.
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[Graham] After a string
of gross-out films,
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Bakshi would move on
to something truly shocking.
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[Andrew] Ralph Bakshi
was a ardent Tolkien fan.
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The time has come.
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Bakshi said, "I've seen
what John Boorman did.
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"It's not good.
I'm gonna try it."
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[Graham] There was
just one slight problem,
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he didn't have the rights,
or the money to buy them.
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[Victoria] So Bakshi contacts
Saul Zaentz.
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[Graham] The man who had
partially financed the film,
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Fritz the Cat.
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[Chris] Saul Zaentz,
he had a lot of money
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and was willing to take chances.
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[Mike] Ralph Bakshi,
his pitch was,
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"As an animated movie,
it'll be much better".
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Where is the ring, Gandalf?
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You know,
if you try to do it straight
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you can't realize the full value
of the property.
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[Graham] Full value that thus
far had cost United Artists
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nearly $3 million
in development.
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[Janet] It's like this kabuki
play and Cirque du Soleil.
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[Graham] So, with nothing much
to show for their investment,
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when Saul Zaentz came knocking,
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United Artists were
more than happy to listen.
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Saul Zaentz sort of took over
Tolkien from United Artists.
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[Mike] Made a lot of sense
for us at that point.
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We had a lot of money in it.
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You know, it was $3 million,
and I figured,
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"Hey, let's take the $3 million
that's owed to us
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"and release this version
of the film".
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[Andrew] They gave everything
but the distribution rights
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over to Saul Zaentz.
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[Graham] It was a savvy move
by UA,
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but Bakshi and Zaentz
would need to deliver,
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and their first hurdle,
delivering the script.
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I was a screenwriter
on the film,Lord of the Rings.
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What does the ring bearer say?
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My sister had been after me
for a couple of years,
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"You gotta read these books,
you gotta read these books",
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and I finally
started reading them,
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and, of course,
was completely hooked.
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I remember one vacation,
I was driving,
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and I had the books
on the steering wheel.
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Don't do this at home, kids.
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And I would look up,
no cars coming,
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I'd read a paragraph,
then I'd look up again.
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I literally couldn't
put the books down.
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I'd done a little screenwriting
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of some high school
documentary films after college.
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I read in
one of the trades that
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Ralph Bakshi was considering
doing it, and so I said,
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"I've gotta go for this
somehow",
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and found somebody
to write a note to.
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Somehow, that note
got to Ralph Bakshi.
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He gave me an assignment
to do research,
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and he had a writer.
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He had an English writer
signed up.
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Something happened
with the writer in England.
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Either he was busy or too much
money, whatever it was.
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So he said, "Here's your shot.
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"I'll let you write it,
and we'll see how you do.
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"You got one shot".
488
00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:46,788
Bakshi early on told me,
"Let's get one thing straight.
489
00:20:46,788 --> 00:20:50,292
"You're the screenwriter,
Tolkien is the genius.
490
00:20:50,292 --> 00:20:51,627
"Here's the three books.
491
00:20:51,627 --> 00:20:53,712
"That's your bible.
Stick to that".
492
00:20:53,712 --> 00:20:57,883
[Graham] Chris soon learned
the scope of Bakshi's vision.
493
00:20:57,883 --> 00:21:01,678
Ralph Bakshi first said to me,
"We're going to do three films",
494
00:21:01,678 --> 00:21:04,056
but I didn't think a middle film
would work.
495
00:21:04,056 --> 00:21:05,766
But why ruin it?
496
00:21:05,766 --> 00:21:08,519
The middle film doesn't have
a beginning or ending.
497
00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:10,811
So, I said,
"Let's do two films".
498
00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:14,525
- The decision lies with you.
- And he agreed.
499
00:21:14,525 --> 00:21:17,194
[Graham] It was a decision
that would go down in infamy,
500
00:21:17,194 --> 00:21:19,279
but more on that in a bit.
501
00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:21,240
I think I did five
different scripts.
502
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,825
Big scripts, smaller scripts,
medium-sized scripts,
503
00:21:23,825 --> 00:21:25,410
different points of view.
504
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:27,329
It was sort of gut
505
00:21:27,329 --> 00:21:30,749
and sort of trial and error
between me and Ralph.
506
00:21:30,749 --> 00:21:33,335
[Graham] And with this script
came the realization
507
00:21:33,335 --> 00:21:35,546
that what many
thought was impossible,
508
00:21:35,546 --> 00:21:37,840
was actually going to happen.
509
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,926
The war of the ring has begun,
Frodo.
510
00:21:40,926 --> 00:21:43,929
The thing was that it was not
just an ordinary project.
511
00:21:43,929 --> 00:21:46,557
It had been shot
all in live action.
512
00:21:46,557 --> 00:21:48,809
We had to do a rotoscope.
513
00:21:48,809 --> 00:21:50,018
We kept the live action,
514
00:21:50,018 --> 00:21:51,436
made photographs out of them
515
00:21:51,436 --> 00:21:53,021
and you go
over the photographs.
516
00:21:53,021 --> 00:21:54,773
I worked mostly on Gandalf.
517
00:21:54,773 --> 00:21:57,693
He did it for the impact.
518
00:21:57,693 --> 00:22:00,737
[Graham] At a time when
computer-generated effects
519
00:22:00,737 --> 00:22:02,823
were still years away,
520
00:22:02,823 --> 00:22:05,784
rotoscoping was the closest
solution to opening up
521
00:22:05,784 --> 00:22:08,579
Lord of the Rings'potential on screen.
522
00:22:08,579 --> 00:22:13,542
It would bring certain things
out in animation that probably
523
00:22:13,542 --> 00:22:15,961
is impossible
to do with special effects.
524
00:22:15,961 --> 00:22:18,130
It was very powerful.
525
00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:20,924
It was something artistic,
something special.
526
00:22:20,924 --> 00:22:22,342
[Graham] But how special?
527
00:22:22,342 --> 00:22:24,720
When The Lord of the Rings
premiered
528
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,888
on November 15th 1978...
529
00:22:26,888 --> 00:22:29,183
[Chris] People were lined up
around the blocks.
530
00:22:29,183 --> 00:22:31,310
They were so excited
to see it...
531
00:22:32,978 --> 00:22:34,188
...at first.
532
00:22:34,188 --> 00:22:37,107
You cannot pass.
533
00:22:37,107 --> 00:22:38,609
The end result at times
534
00:22:38,609 --> 00:22:40,694
was absolutely beautiful
and brilliant.
535
00:22:41,778 --> 00:22:43,321
And other times...
536
00:22:45,324 --> 00:22:48,076
- ...it looked a little odd.
-
537
00:22:48,535 --> 00:22:51,914
- Significantly odd.
- What's going on here?
538
00:22:51,914 --> 00:22:54,583
[Graham] One of the biggest
criticisms was the decision
539
00:22:54,583 --> 00:22:56,792
to only produce
a book and a half.
540
00:22:56,792 --> 00:22:58,212
It just ends. Boom.
541
00:22:58,212 --> 00:23:00,380
- They're coming!
-
542
00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:02,257
It's right in the middle
of the battle.
543
00:23:02,257 --> 00:23:04,384
So, too,
ends the first great tale
544
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:07,137
of the Lord of the Rings.
545
00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:09,681
Suddenly, here ends part one
of the Lord of the Rings.
546
00:23:12,059 --> 00:23:15,103
For fans,
it was incredibly frustrating.
547
00:23:15,103 --> 00:23:18,148
[Graham] However, not all fans
were disappointed.
548
00:23:18,148 --> 00:23:21,109
In fact, for one young man
in particular,
549
00:23:21,109 --> 00:23:22,277
Peter Jackson...
550
00:23:22,277 --> 00:23:24,404
A new power is rising.
551
00:23:24,404 --> 00:23:26,031
[Graham] ...it was the first step
552
00:23:26,031 --> 00:23:27,950
in an unexpected journey
553
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:29,785
that would impact
not only his fate...
554
00:23:29,785 --> 00:23:32,246
[Saruman] Embrace the power of the ring.
555
00:23:32,246 --> 00:23:35,082
[Graham] ...but, in fact,
the future of all cinema.
556
00:23:35,082 --> 00:23:37,501
Peter Jackson, the first time
557
00:23:37,501 --> 00:23:39,837
he confronted Tolkien
was in our movie.
558
00:23:39,837 --> 00:23:41,463
Greetings, Frodo.
559
00:23:41,463 --> 00:23:43,173
[Andrew] Peter Jackson liked it
560
00:23:43,173 --> 00:23:45,717
and then went
and bought the book.
561
00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:47,970
[Graham] Bakshi's Lord of the Rings
562
00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:50,263
was undeniably an inspiration
563
00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:52,099
to Peter Jackson,
but, ironically,
564
00:23:52,099 --> 00:23:54,268
it was Bakshi's earlier work
565
00:23:54,268 --> 00:23:58,230
that more reflected the tone
of this fledgling filmmaker,
566
00:23:58,230 --> 00:24:02,234
because Peter Jackson's work
was, well, quite shocking.
567
00:24:04,695 --> 00:24:06,946
- Bad Taste.
- Kill them.
568
00:24:09,282 --> 00:24:11,869
Dead Alive or Braindead,
depending on where you saw it...
569
00:24:14,246 --> 00:24:15,414
...or Meet the Feebles.
570
00:24:15,414 --> 00:24:17,207
♪ Meet The Feebles
571
00:24:17,207 --> 00:24:18,709
♪ Meet The Feebles ♪
572
00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:20,669
He grew up doing everything
himself.
573
00:24:21,879 --> 00:24:23,714
He was in it.
574
00:24:23,714 --> 00:24:26,300
He ran the camera.
He recorded sound.
575
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:29,595
He's incredibly good at getting
what's in his head onto screen.
576
00:24:29,595 --> 00:24:31,180
-
-
577
00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:33,265
These movies feel like
they were put together
578
00:24:33,265 --> 00:24:34,892
in someone's garage...
579
00:24:34,892 --> 00:24:36,226
[Peter] ...with a Steadicam.
580
00:24:36,226 --> 00:24:37,853
Normally,
if you buy a proper one,
581
00:24:37,853 --> 00:24:39,146
they're about 40 or 50 grand,
582
00:24:39,146 --> 00:24:40,856
but this one cost, like,
20 bucks.
583
00:24:40,856 --> 00:24:42,273
...with Scotch tape.
584
00:24:42,273 --> 00:24:45,319
It's really held together
by glue.
585
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:46,653
[Drew] They're crazy.
586
00:24:46,653 --> 00:24:48,405
Put the gun down.
587
00:24:49,406 --> 00:24:51,282
They're hyper-gory.
588
00:24:51,282 --> 00:24:53,785
It wasn't until I worked
on Braindead that I realized
589
00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:57,998
just what a genius he is
at shooting practical effects.
590
00:24:57,998 --> 00:25:02,294
His knowledge of so many things
is just amazing.
591
00:25:02,294 --> 00:25:05,339
[Graham] But Peter Jackson's
knowledge of horrendous gore
592
00:25:05,339 --> 00:25:07,965
wouldn't come close
to preparing him
593
00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:10,010
for the horror
that awaited him.
594
00:25:13,096 --> 00:25:15,432
[Graham] As Peter Jackson left a trail
595
00:25:15,432 --> 00:25:17,434
of fake blood in his wake,
596
00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:20,686
one of the most consequential
projects he undertook
597
00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:22,564
was providing special effects
598
00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:25,651
for the beloved
British scarecrow spin-off,
599
00:25:25,651 --> 00:25:28,529
Worzel Gummidge Down Under.
600
00:25:28,946 --> 00:25:32,449
The very first time I met Peter,
I was a camera operator
601
00:25:32,449 --> 00:25:35,244
on Worzel Gummidge,filming Down Under.
602
00:25:35,244 --> 00:25:36,787
[Graham] For the uninitiated...
603
00:25:36,787 --> 00:25:39,205
[Victoria] Worzel Gummidge Down Under
604
00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:41,291
was a TV show centered around
a scarecrow.
605
00:25:41,416 --> 00:25:43,585
[Graham] While some go
to film school
606
00:25:43,585 --> 00:25:45,462
to meet lifelong collaborators,
607
00:25:45,462 --> 00:25:47,256
Peter had Gummidge,
608
00:25:47,256 --> 00:25:50,050
but of all the relationships
Peter made,
609
00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:53,387
none held a candle
to Fran Walsh.
610
00:25:53,387 --> 00:25:55,222
[Victoria] Fran actually met Pete
611
00:25:55,222 --> 00:25:58,183
when she was dating
Stephen Sinclair.
612
00:25:58,183 --> 00:26:01,395
[Graham] Sinclair,
also a writer, and Walsh,
613
00:26:01,395 --> 00:26:03,188
began to advise Peter Jackson
614
00:26:03,188 --> 00:26:05,648
as he made his film,
Bad Taste.
615
00:26:05,648 --> 00:26:08,068
Eventually the couple
became collaborators,
616
00:26:08,068 --> 00:26:09,695
writing Jackson's film...
617
00:26:09,695 --> 00:26:11,113
Meet the Feebles.
618
00:26:11,113 --> 00:26:15,325
Oh, Nick, you man-stealing slut.
619
00:26:16,201 --> 00:26:18,203
[Graham] Thanks to Fran,
Meet the Feebles
620
00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:21,415
became much more
than an ironic puppet movie.
621
00:26:21,415 --> 00:26:24,917
That world was incredibly rich
and layered and sort of sardonic
622
00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:27,838
and dark in its humor,
but also very light in a way.
623
00:26:29,131 --> 00:26:32,217
Oh, dead luck, old shit.
624
00:26:32,217 --> 00:26:35,012
And I think it makes it all
very bearable and uplifting.
625
00:26:35,012 --> 00:26:37,013
[Graham] Meet the Feebleswas also
626
00:26:37,013 --> 00:26:39,308
where two other future
vital cogs
627
00:26:39,308 --> 00:26:42,352
in Jackson's machine would
start to show their worth.
628
00:26:42,352 --> 00:26:44,563
Richard Taylor and Tania Rodger.
629
00:26:44,563 --> 00:26:46,565
[Graham] Richard and Tania
stepped up,
630
00:26:46,565 --> 00:26:48,483
and with no prior experience,
631
00:26:48,483 --> 00:26:50,527
built the cast from scratch.
632
00:26:50,527 --> 00:26:54,489
Richard and Tania, so integral
in the success of these films,
633
00:26:54,489 --> 00:26:57,826
and they continue to be integral
in the success of Peter's films.
634
00:26:57,826 --> 00:26:59,828
[Graham] While building The Feebles,
635
00:26:59,828 --> 00:27:01,872
Richard and Tania began
to lay the foundation
636
00:27:01,872 --> 00:27:03,790
for something much bigger.
637
00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:05,125
[Victoria] That's around the time
638
00:27:05,125 --> 00:27:07,503
that Weta Workshop was
brought to life.
639
00:27:07,503 --> 00:27:09,254
[Drew] Weta Workshop
is essentially
640
00:27:09,254 --> 00:27:10,380
a matter of necessity.
641
00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:12,465
It is a local solution
642
00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:14,343
to a problem of "How do you get
643
00:27:14,343 --> 00:27:16,803
"special effects that look like
what Hollywood is doing?"
644
00:27:16,803 --> 00:27:19,848
[Graham] Peter Jackson's
relationship with Weta Workshop
645
00:27:19,848 --> 00:27:23,143
continued
thanks to Dead Alive,
646
00:27:23,143 --> 00:27:26,647
while another relationship
was about to fracture.
647
00:27:26,647 --> 00:27:29,148
[Victoria] Fran, she was dating
Stephen Sinclair,
648
00:27:29,148 --> 00:27:30,817
but they would break up, though.
649
00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,820
Peter and Fran, they got
romantically involved...
650
00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:35,821
[Graham] As their relationship evolved,
651
00:27:35,821 --> 00:27:38,742
Jackson and Walsh would
become partners.
652
00:27:38,742 --> 00:27:41,078
[Andrew] ...as well as creative partners.
653
00:27:41,078 --> 00:27:43,372
[Victoria] She worked with Peter
ever since then.
654
00:27:43,372 --> 00:27:46,375
[Mahaffie] Fran is
a very astute writer.
655
00:27:46,542 --> 00:27:49,670
I think Fran added
some emotional side
656
00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:51,839
to the partnership,
a bit that was quite important.
657
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:54,633
Peter was great
with the visual storytelling.
658
00:27:54,633 --> 00:27:56,552
They were a great complement
to each other.
659
00:27:56,552 --> 00:27:58,804
[Graham] Their next film,
Heavenly Creatures,
660
00:27:58,804 --> 00:28:01,306
would signal a new direction
for the pair.
661
00:28:01,306 --> 00:28:03,350
Well, Heavenly Creature
is based on a true story...
662
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:06,186
Do you like your mother?
663
00:28:07,145 --> 00:28:08,230
No.
664
00:28:08,272 --> 00:28:10,357
[Drew] ...and represents a perfect
665
00:28:10,357 --> 00:28:12,442
sort of irresistible
opportunity
666
00:28:12,442 --> 00:28:14,778
to jump to the next level
as filmmakers.
667
00:28:15,487 --> 00:28:17,406
Come with me.
668
00:28:17,406 --> 00:28:20,659
[Tim] It's a very strange
but really amazing story
669
00:28:20,659 --> 00:28:22,369
about two teenage girls.
670
00:28:22,369 --> 00:28:24,621
I think they were around 14,
and for some reason,
671
00:28:24,621 --> 00:28:27,457
they decided one of their
mothers was their enemy.
672
00:28:27,457 --> 00:28:29,376
So, these two teenage girls
killed the mother.
673
00:28:31,044 --> 00:28:33,797
[Victoria] Pete did not really
wanna make Heavenly Creatures,
674
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:36,383
but Fran was really fascinated
by the murder trial.
675
00:28:36,550 --> 00:28:39,178
You know, this was something
that happened in New Zealand.
676
00:28:39,261 --> 00:28:41,054
You know,
we have all these diaries.
677
00:28:41,054 --> 00:28:43,348
Let's really try and make
a good script out of that.
678
00:28:43,348 --> 00:28:45,893
It's a three X story
with a tragic end.
679
00:28:45,893 --> 00:28:49,396
[Graham] But the transition
from grind house
680
00:28:49,396 --> 00:28:51,899
to art house
wasn't an easy one.
681
00:28:51,899 --> 00:28:54,985
To do it, they needed
a seasoned cinematographer.
682
00:28:54,985 --> 00:28:58,947
Of course, all his previous
films had been splatter films.
683
00:28:58,947 --> 00:29:00,073
You know, gore.
684
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:04,703
So, when he asked me
to shoot Heavenly Creatures
685
00:29:04,703 --> 00:29:06,914
I was a wee bit wary
I must admit,
686
00:29:06,914 --> 00:29:08,749
but after a conversation
with him,
687
00:29:08,749 --> 00:29:10,792
I thought, yeah, this guy
knows what he's doing.
688
00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:14,463
[Drew] Peter and Fran, they cast
the two perfect kids for it.
689
00:29:14,463 --> 00:29:16,006
- Melanie Lynskey...
- Smile.
690
00:29:17,132 --> 00:29:18,634
...and Kate Winslet.
691
00:29:18,634 --> 00:29:21,678
[Pauline] It is indeed a miracle
one must feel
692
00:29:21,678 --> 00:29:24,139
that two such
heavenly creatures are real.
693
00:29:24,139 --> 00:29:26,433
[Graham] The film
was a critical success.
694
00:29:26,433 --> 00:29:29,186
Exhilarating.
One of the year's best films.
695
00:29:29,186 --> 00:29:31,897
[Graham] The film would
be distributed by Miramax,
696
00:29:31,897 --> 00:29:34,149
Harvey and Bob Weinstein's
company,
697
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:36,360
and they also signed
Peter Jackson
698
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,569
to a first look deal.
699
00:29:37,569 --> 00:29:40,322
So, essentially, the next
original project
700
00:29:40,322 --> 00:29:42,658
that Peter Jackson wanted
to take on,
701
00:29:42,658 --> 00:29:44,785
he had to go to Miramax first.
702
00:29:44,785 --> 00:29:46,703
After Heavenly Creatures,
703
00:29:46,703 --> 00:29:50,541
they wanted to do
a fantasy project.
704
00:29:50,541 --> 00:29:53,210
The story goes that he and Fran
and Philippa were sitting
705
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:55,712
in their house
wondering what to do.
706
00:29:55,712 --> 00:29:57,923
One of them made a joke,
"Who has the rights
707
00:29:57,923 --> 00:29:59,550
"to make Lord of the Rings?"
708
00:29:59,550 --> 00:30:02,010
They went online and found out
that they could make an offer.
709
00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:04,221
Then I got a call from Peter,
710
00:30:04,221 --> 00:30:06,598
asking if I would come
to Los Angeles
711
00:30:06,598 --> 00:30:09,101
to pitch getting money
to make Lord of the Rings.
712
00:30:09,101 --> 00:30:11,478
So, a group of Wellington actors
got together
713
00:30:11,478 --> 00:30:13,480
and played all of the parts
that they wrote
714
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,482
for Lord of the Rings
as radio plays.
715
00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:16,650
I'd read the books.
716
00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:18,485
It was such a huge undertaking.
717
00:30:18,485 --> 00:30:21,488
As much as I trusted them,
I just didn't think that anyone
718
00:30:21,488 --> 00:30:23,866
would try and make those books
into films.
719
00:30:24,366 --> 00:30:27,244
[Graham] Peter knew he had
the skills to pay the bills.
720
00:30:27,244 --> 00:30:30,247
He just had to convince
everyone else of it.
721
00:30:30,247 --> 00:30:32,457
[Victoria] So, he calls up
Harvey Weinstein,
722
00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:34,418
'cause they have a first look
deal and he says,
723
00:30:34,418 --> 00:30:35,961
"I'm really interested
in Lord of the Rings"
724
00:30:35,961 --> 00:30:37,838
and Harvey's like, "Okay".
725
00:30:37,838 --> 00:30:41,675
Saul Zaentz has the rights
to Lord of the Rings.
726
00:30:41,675 --> 00:30:43,886
They were producing
The English Patient together.
727
00:30:43,886 --> 00:30:46,597
[Tim] The English Patient,funding dried up
728
00:30:46,597 --> 00:30:48,182
right before they were shooting.
729
00:30:48,182 --> 00:30:50,309
So, Harvey Weinstein came in,
gave them money.
730
00:30:50,309 --> 00:30:53,395
The film was made and the film
won a bunch of Oscars.
731
00:30:53,395 --> 00:30:57,399
[Graham] Weinstein saw
Saul Zaentz as owing him one,
732
00:30:57,399 --> 00:30:59,484
something that could be settled
733
00:30:59,484 --> 00:31:01,987
by selling him
The Lord of the Rings rights,
734
00:31:01,987 --> 00:31:04,239
but Zaentz didn't see it
like that.
735
00:31:04,239 --> 00:31:06,241
[Chris] He was
a sharp businessman.
736
00:31:06,241 --> 00:31:09,244
People that worked with him
said he was very tight-fisted.
737
00:31:09,244 --> 00:31:12,080
And I think it was a hard,
hard year of negotiations.
738
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,790
[Graham] And this would have
739
00:31:13,790 --> 00:31:15,751
major repercussions
for Peter and Fran.
740
00:31:15,751 --> 00:31:18,295
[Drew] He kept them on the hook
for a long time
741
00:31:18,295 --> 00:31:20,672
before he really had
any handle on the rights,
742
00:31:20,672 --> 00:31:23,967
but he told them right away,
"Oh, no worries,
we'll get them".
743
00:31:23,967 --> 00:31:26,428
[Graham] Little did Peter
and Fran realize
744
00:31:26,428 --> 00:31:29,890
that this was the beginning
of a journey as complex as
745
00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:32,434
The Lord of the Ringstrilogy itself.
746
00:31:34,686 --> 00:31:36,605
[Graham] The film,
Heavenly Creatures...
747
00:31:36,605 --> 00:31:37,981
That's Mummy!
748
00:31:37,981 --> 00:31:39,566
...had announced
to the world
749
00:31:39,566 --> 00:31:41,568
that Peter Jackson
and Fran Walsh
750
00:31:41,568 --> 00:31:44,279
were a creative partnership
to be reckoned with.
751
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:48,033
And the nominees are
Frances Walsh and Peter Jackson
752
00:31:48,033 --> 00:31:49,451
for Heavenly Creatures.
753
00:31:49,451 --> 00:31:51,411
[Graham] However,
Peter and Fran's
754
00:31:51,411 --> 00:31:53,705
passion project,
The Lord of the Rings trilogy,
755
00:31:53,705 --> 00:31:55,832
was, well, dragging on...
756
00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:59,586
When Miramax is trying to get
the rights from Saul Zaentz,
757
00:31:59,586 --> 00:32:01,964
there's this long
waiting period, but you know,
758
00:32:01,964 --> 00:32:04,174
there's not a guarantee
that it's gonna go anywhere.
759
00:32:04,174 --> 00:32:06,593
Patience.
Patience, my love.
760
00:32:06,593 --> 00:32:09,596
[Graham] ...and Peter needed
something to happen soon,
761
00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:11,890
having recently opened
Weta Digital,
762
00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:15,143
a cutting edge world's leading
digital effects studio,
763
00:32:15,143 --> 00:32:17,688
which we will get around
to telling you all about.
764
00:32:17,688 --> 00:32:19,106
But for now...
765
00:32:19,106 --> 00:32:20,899
You have to keep
those people on point.
766
00:32:20,899 --> 00:32:22,651
You have to have something
for them to do.
767
00:32:22,651 --> 00:32:24,695
[Graham] ...luckily an old project
768
00:32:24,695 --> 00:32:26,738
was about to receive
some new heat.
769
00:32:26,738 --> 00:32:28,574
Only one way to deal
with this thing.
770
00:32:28,574 --> 00:32:30,117
They had developed a script.
771
00:32:30,117 --> 00:32:31,535
[Graham] The Frighteners
772
00:32:31,535 --> 00:32:32,995
is the story of a conman...
773
00:32:32,995 --> 00:32:34,913
A psychic investigator?
That's a good one.
774
00:32:34,913 --> 00:32:36,915
[Graham] ...who could talk
to the dead.
775
00:32:36,915 --> 00:32:39,334
Hate to break this to you,
you're dead. You can't smoke.
776
00:32:39,334 --> 00:32:42,004
You can light 'em up and blow
the smoke in my face.
777
00:32:42,004 --> 00:32:43,881
[Graham] There was only
one problem.
778
00:32:43,881 --> 00:32:46,049
[Victoria] Peter Jackson
had a first look deal
779
00:32:46,049 --> 00:32:48,343
with Harvey for anything
that he would make.
780
00:32:48,343 --> 00:32:50,637
[Graham] And in the case
of the Frighteners,
781
00:32:50,637 --> 00:32:54,057
it was Universal that Peter
and Fran wanted to deal with.
782
00:32:54,057 --> 00:32:56,894
[Drew] They had to negotiate
to get the freedom
783
00:32:56,894 --> 00:32:59,062
to go make another movie
for Universal.
784
00:32:59,062 --> 00:33:01,315
OK, well, folks,
I can do a clearance
785
00:33:01,315 --> 00:33:02,733
but it's not gonna be cheap.
786
00:33:02,733 --> 00:33:04,359
[Drew] Harvey Weinstein,
787
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,153
he knew that he had
Universal in a barrel,
788
00:33:06,153 --> 00:33:09,615
so he managed to extract
quite a bit from them.
789
00:33:09,615 --> 00:33:12,159
[Graham] And Peter Jackson
had a demand of his own.
790
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:14,620
Pete said, "I want to do it
here in New Zealand".
791
00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:18,207
He was adamant.
"I wanna film in New Zealand",
and they let him.
792
00:33:18,207 --> 00:33:19,374
I'm on my way.
793
00:33:19,374 --> 00:33:20,542
Crews began to fly
794
00:33:20,542 --> 00:33:22,544
to the other side of the world,
795
00:33:22,544 --> 00:33:25,923
so New Zealand could double
as the American Mid-West.
796
00:33:25,923 --> 00:33:28,133
Ready, and action.
797
00:33:28,133 --> 00:33:30,594
And, at that point,
they jumped whole hog into it.
798
00:33:32,596 --> 00:33:34,723
For that time, there were
a lot of special effects.
799
00:33:36,475 --> 00:33:39,520
For Weta and for Peter Jackson,
it was a training ground
800
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,063
of how to work
with digital effects.
801
00:33:42,731 --> 00:33:45,567
It was a way of working
with a giant movie star.
802
00:33:45,567 --> 00:33:47,027
I'm kinda surprised to see you.
803
00:33:47,027 --> 00:33:48,403
Here on business, I guess.
804
00:33:48,403 --> 00:33:50,906
Those were important milestones.
805
00:33:50,906 --> 00:33:53,408
Frighteners was going so well
as it was coming together
806
00:33:53,408 --> 00:33:54,910
that Universal wanted
to make sure
807
00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:56,495
they had the next
Peter Jackson film.
808
00:33:56,495 --> 00:33:58,163
Again, Lord of the Rings,
809
00:33:58,163 --> 00:34:00,332
the rights were taking forever
to negotiate.
810
00:34:00,332 --> 00:34:02,501
[Graham] And while
Harvey Weinstein struggled
811
00:34:02,501 --> 00:34:04,419
with the films rights
to Tolkien,
812
00:34:04,419 --> 00:34:07,172
Universal knew they
had the rights in hand
813
00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:09,758
to something far more precious
to Jackson.
814
00:34:09,758 --> 00:34:13,887
Something monstrous.
All powerful.
815
00:34:13,887 --> 00:34:17,641
King Kong has been his obsession
since he was a child.
816
00:34:19,184 --> 00:34:22,688
It is the movie that made him
wanna make movies.
817
00:34:22,688 --> 00:34:26,984
[Graham] Once again, timing was
perfect for Harvey Weinstein,
818
00:34:26,984 --> 00:34:29,486
who still had Peter Jackson
on a string.
819
00:34:29,486 --> 00:34:31,864
All of that is to his advantage.
820
00:34:31,864 --> 00:34:34,992
He was a king and a God
in the world he knew.
821
00:34:34,992 --> 00:34:37,035
Weinstein was gonna have
a piece of King Kong.
822
00:34:37,035 --> 00:34:39,161
Universal's giving up so much
823
00:34:39,161 --> 00:34:40,998
to be able to lock Jackson
down to this.
824
00:34:40,998 --> 00:34:43,542
I think that is how all-in they
were on him as a filmmaker.
825
00:34:43,625 --> 00:34:45,544
[Graham] And with The Frighteners
826
00:34:45,544 --> 00:34:48,297
ruling the box office,
Jackson would have it all.
827
00:34:48,297 --> 00:34:51,633
Only that's not what happened.
828
00:34:51,633 --> 00:34:54,636
[Drew] The Frighteners
belly-flopped at the box office.
829
00:34:54,636 --> 00:34:55,929
It was a disaster.
830
00:34:55,929 --> 00:34:57,681
It's a goddamn tragedy.
831
00:34:57,681 --> 00:34:59,850
[Barrie] After Frighteners,
Universal,
832
00:34:59,850 --> 00:35:01,185
they didn't wanna makeKing Kong.
833
00:35:01,393 --> 00:35:03,061
The studio pulled it.
834
00:35:03,061 --> 00:35:04,897
It was Beauty
who killed the Beast.
835
00:35:04,897 --> 00:35:06,648
[Graham] Not only was
Kong dead...
836
00:35:06,648 --> 00:35:08,358
[Drew] That ended
Universal's interest
837
00:35:08,358 --> 00:35:10,360
in working with Peter Jackson.
838
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,738
[Graham] ...now unable to put
the squeeze on Universal,
839
00:35:12,738 --> 00:35:16,158
Weinstein continued
to squeeze Saul Zaentz
840
00:35:16,158 --> 00:35:18,035
for the rights
to Lord of the Rings.
841
00:35:18,035 --> 00:35:20,871
The Ring of Power
within my grasp.
842
00:35:20,871 --> 00:35:24,248
Harvey Weinstein was a very
difficult combative producer.
843
00:35:24,248 --> 00:35:26,960
There are not many stories
where people tell you,
844
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,337
"I had a remarkable experience".
845
00:35:28,337 --> 00:35:29,505
[Graham] For a share
846
00:35:29,505 --> 00:35:31,632
of the gross profits,
Saul relented.
847
00:35:31,632 --> 00:35:35,260
So, Harvey got him to give him
the rights to make the picture.
848
00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:37,179
[Graham] Harvey Weinstein
had played Hardball
849
00:35:37,179 --> 00:35:40,265
to secure the deal,
but Peter Jackson wasn't beyond
850
00:35:40,265 --> 00:35:43,060
playing Hardball himself
to get what he wanted.
851
00:35:43,393 --> 00:35:45,604
[Victoria] Pete always felt
that New Zealand
852
00:35:45,604 --> 00:35:47,439
would be the perfect country
853
00:35:47,439 --> 00:35:49,358
to film
a Lord of the Rings film.
854
00:35:49,358 --> 00:35:51,443
[Graham] And as far as
Peter was concerned,
855
00:35:51,443 --> 00:35:53,152
it was a non-negotiable.
856
00:35:53,152 --> 00:35:55,155
[Barrie] There were
a lot of articles that said,
857
00:35:55,155 --> 00:35:57,533
"They'll never be able to make
this movie in New Zealand".
858
00:35:57,533 --> 00:35:59,701
So, that just fired Peter up.
859
00:35:59,701 --> 00:36:02,454
[Graham] So, Peter mobilized
his army,
860
00:36:02,454 --> 00:36:05,040
but they weren't orcs
or trolls.
861
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,084
It was an army
of set designers,
862
00:36:07,084 --> 00:36:10,504
costume makers willing
to do everything it took
863
00:36:10,504 --> 00:36:14,716
to make The Lord of the Ringsa trilogy for the ages.
864
00:36:14,716 --> 00:36:21,014
Trees and cliffs and castles,
and sculptures, roads, bridges.
865
00:36:21,014 --> 00:36:23,433
In order to get the grass
to the right length
866
00:36:23,433 --> 00:36:26,728
and the hedgerows to look like
they'd been there forever,
867
00:36:26,728 --> 00:36:29,731
our greens department went
and transplanted a whole lot
868
00:36:29,731 --> 00:36:32,776
of quite large trees
and the hedgerows
869
00:36:32,776 --> 00:36:35,571
around the hobbit holes,
and all the gardens.
870
00:36:35,571 --> 00:36:38,114
To get the gardens working
and looking believable,
871
00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:39,950
you need to give it the time
872
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:42,744
so your plants would grow
and die back,
873
00:36:42,744 --> 00:36:45,998
and new ones spring up,
and then weeds grow.
874
00:36:45,998 --> 00:36:48,166
[Graham] Building
Tolkien's Middle Earth
875
00:36:48,166 --> 00:36:51,460
was a brutal exercise
and took well over a year.
876
00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:53,672
Thankfully, New Zealand
was small enough
877
00:36:53,672 --> 00:36:56,633
and varied enough
to make the task possible.
878
00:36:56,717 --> 00:37:00,721
It does sort of feel in a way
like a magical land.
879
00:37:01,013 --> 00:37:02,806
[Stephen] We have varied sceneries.
880
00:37:02,806 --> 00:37:06,351
I mean the north of this country
is sub-tropical,
881
00:37:06,351 --> 00:37:09,062
and the bottom
is snow-capped mountains.
882
00:37:09,062 --> 00:37:13,192
It would be difficult to find
such varied landscapes
883
00:37:13,192 --> 00:37:16,111
in another country that was
actually so close together.
884
00:37:16,111 --> 00:37:19,239
[Graham] However,
deep into pre-production,
885
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,660
Harvey Weinstein dropped
a bombshell on Peter Jackson.
886
00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:25,204
Weinstein tells them
887
00:37:25,204 --> 00:37:26,788
what they're going
to be able to make.
888
00:37:26,788 --> 00:37:28,373
It's kind of a shock
to the system,
889
00:37:28,373 --> 00:37:30,000
'cause it's not really
creatively
890
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,668
what I think any filmmaker
would think.
891
00:37:31,668 --> 00:37:33,587
The plan was to make two films,
892
00:37:33,587 --> 00:37:36,590
so condense the whole trilogy
into two films.
893
00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:38,217
We're gonna make 'em together
894
00:37:38,217 --> 00:37:40,093
and they're gonna cost
$75 million total.
895
00:37:40,093 --> 00:37:42,179
Don't you see that is madness?
896
00:37:42,179 --> 00:37:45,015
[Graham] $75 million
wasn't an arbitrary number.
897
00:37:45,015 --> 00:37:48,018
Miramax had a $75 million cap
898
00:37:48,018 --> 00:37:52,105
which was enforced by Disney
who owned Miramax.
899
00:37:52,105 --> 00:37:54,315
[Drew] They had a distribution
deal that said,
900
00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:56,860
$1 over this amount and it's not
your movie any more,
901
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:59,279
and they were not going
to give that up to Disney.
902
00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:01,239
[Graham] Under the circumstances,
903
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,700
making Lord of the Ringsseemed impossible,
904
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:06,161
but Peter had
an ace up his sleeve.
905
00:38:09,456 --> 00:38:11,208
[Graham] Peter Jackson's motivation
906
00:38:11,208 --> 00:38:13,168
to film The Lord of the Ringsin New Zealand
907
00:38:13,168 --> 00:38:16,588
ran far deeper than the green,
green grass of home.
908
00:38:16,755 --> 00:38:18,215
He had Weta Workshop.
909
00:38:18,215 --> 00:38:19,675
[Graham] But the workshop
910
00:38:19,675 --> 00:38:21,343
wasn't a workshop
full of wetas,
911
00:38:21,343 --> 00:38:23,303
it was actually a workshop
912
00:38:23,303 --> 00:38:26,640
full of talented,
practical effects geniuses
913
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,686
and they sharpened their claws
on two iconic shows.
914
00:38:30,686 --> 00:38:32,437
Xena, Warrior Princess.
915
00:38:33,730 --> 00:38:34,815
Hercules.
916
00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:36,817
Oh, this can't be good.
917
00:38:36,817 --> 00:38:39,277
[Graham] But it was good,
and they were good.
918
00:38:39,486 --> 00:38:41,238
The last six years had been
919
00:38:41,238 --> 00:38:42,698
the apprenticeship
for all of us.
920
00:38:42,698 --> 00:38:46,451
Archers, fire!
921
00:38:46,451 --> 00:38:49,746
Weta had developed this way
922
00:38:49,746 --> 00:38:53,083
of producing
absolutely authentic
923
00:38:53,083 --> 00:38:54,793
metal weapons...
924
00:38:57,713 --> 00:38:59,131
...and lightweight chainmail
925
00:38:59,131 --> 00:39:01,592
out of plastic rings
joined together.
926
00:39:01,592 --> 00:39:04,178
You could hold it in your hand.
927
00:39:04,178 --> 00:39:06,096
Unless you felt
the weight of it,
928
00:39:06,096 --> 00:39:08,056
you would believe it
to be metal.
929
00:39:08,056 --> 00:39:14,271
I don't believe we would have
succeeded without those shows.
930
00:39:14,271 --> 00:39:15,981
[Graham] It really did seem
931
00:39:15,981 --> 00:39:18,317
like the stars were aligning
for Jackson,
932
00:39:18,317 --> 00:39:20,402
New Zealand and Middle Earth.
933
00:39:20,402 --> 00:39:22,154
So, they got to work on it.
934
00:39:22,154 --> 00:39:24,656
[Graham] But there was
the not-so-small issue
935
00:39:24,656 --> 00:39:26,658
of creating a two-film
936
00:39:26,658 --> 00:39:29,161
Lord of the Rings story
out of three books.
937
00:39:29,161 --> 00:39:32,122
[Galadriel] Stray but a little,
and it will fail.
938
00:39:32,122 --> 00:39:34,291
[Graham] If it took Tolkien
almost two decades
939
00:39:34,291 --> 00:39:36,251
to write the novels,
940
00:39:36,251 --> 00:39:38,253
how would Jackson
and his writing partners,
941
00:39:38,253 --> 00:39:41,297
Fran Walsh and Stephen Sinclair
ever succeed?
942
00:39:41,297 --> 00:39:44,510
They needed a professor
of Tolkienology.
943
00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:47,429
[Drew] Philippa Boyens,
Philippa is the living
944
00:39:47,429 --> 00:39:49,181
Lord of the Rings
encyclopedia.
945
00:39:49,181 --> 00:39:51,391
[Graham] But not only
did she know The Shire,
946
00:39:51,391 --> 00:39:53,268
she knew how to script movies.
947
00:39:53,268 --> 00:39:55,479
[Jed] She was well known
in New Zealand, you know,
948
00:39:55,479 --> 00:39:57,564
as one of the top script editors
in the country.
949
00:39:57,564 --> 00:40:01,693
You need people of intelligence
on this sort of mission.
950
00:40:01,693 --> 00:40:03,111
Quest.
951
00:40:03,111 --> 00:40:04,780
[Graham] Philippa's secret sauce
952
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:06,198
scattered over the script
953
00:40:06,198 --> 00:40:08,575
was attention
to the little things.
954
00:40:08,575 --> 00:40:10,994
[Andrew] Thanks to Boyens
in particular,
955
00:40:10,994 --> 00:40:13,163
all the little details
were kept in place.
956
00:40:13,163 --> 00:40:15,666
I think she's the secret weapon
of the whole thing.
957
00:40:15,666 --> 00:40:17,501
[Graham] With their secret weapon,
958
00:40:17,501 --> 00:40:19,670
the unlikely quartet
began their quest,
959
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:22,381
hoping to succeed
where so many others failed.
960
00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:25,217
Yet the question remained...
961
00:40:25,217 --> 00:40:28,178
[Drew] In two scripts,
can you tell Lord of the Rings
962
00:40:28,178 --> 00:40:29,596
and have it beLord of the Rings?
963
00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:32,015
All we have to decide
is what to do
964
00:40:32,015 --> 00:40:34,101
with the time
that is given to us.
965
00:40:34,101 --> 00:40:36,018
So, it's a huge gamble.
966
00:40:36,018 --> 00:40:38,564
[Graham] But Peter Jackson
was not a betting man.
967
00:40:38,564 --> 00:40:41,650
He knew exactly
what he was doing.
968
00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:43,694
With the script
in capable hands,
969
00:40:43,694 --> 00:40:46,947
Peter Jackson began to focus
on the visuals.
970
00:40:46,947 --> 00:40:49,533
[Mahaffie] Peter had had
a number of storyboard artists
971
00:40:49,533 --> 00:40:53,286
giving visual influence to
what the script was suggesting.
972
00:40:53,286 --> 00:40:56,957
[Graham] There was only one way
that he'd succeed
973
00:40:56,957 --> 00:40:58,709
in visualizing Middle Earth.
974
00:40:58,709 --> 00:41:00,960
[Gilbert] A lot of the images
from Lord of the Rings
975
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,838
that people had imprinted
on their minds
976
00:41:02,838 --> 00:41:04,506
from reading the books,
we had the guys
977
00:41:04,506 --> 00:41:06,800
who actually produced those
images doing a lot
978
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,510
of the conceptual drawings
for the film.
979
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:11,972
[Sean] Alan Lee and John Howe
basically
980
00:41:11,972 --> 00:41:14,892
drove the look
of the whole thing.
981
00:41:14,892 --> 00:41:19,146
We kind of just put so much
trust in those guys.
982
00:41:19,146 --> 00:41:22,065
[Sean] Yeah, Alan used to sit
there with us and draw.
983
00:41:22,065 --> 00:41:25,986
It was crazy to just have him
right there with us.
984
00:41:25,986 --> 00:41:28,989
[Graham] But although Jackson
had illustrative royalty
985
00:41:28,989 --> 00:41:31,575
at his disposal,
it was somewhere else
986
00:41:31,575 --> 00:41:32,826
he looked for inspiration.
987
00:41:35,161 --> 00:41:37,748
[Chris] We feel like
we had some influence.
988
00:41:39,583 --> 00:41:41,877
Some of the shots,
early shots especially,
989
00:41:41,877 --> 00:41:44,296
are almost shot for shot
identical.
990
00:41:46,507 --> 00:41:50,511
I think people can aspire
what they're seeing
991
00:41:50,511 --> 00:41:52,012
and they wanna improve it.
992
00:41:53,388 --> 00:41:55,349
[Graham] They'd give it
an ending for a start.
993
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:57,100
[Chris] Right in the middle
of the battle.
994
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,478
It just ends. Boom.
995
00:41:59,478 --> 00:42:02,731
[Graham] But Peter Jackson
had far more to think about.
996
00:42:02,731 --> 00:42:05,776
The fierce,
burning eye of Sauron,
997
00:42:05,776 --> 00:42:07,652
AKA, Harvey Weinstein.
998
00:42:07,652 --> 00:42:09,988
It was the mum and dad of it,
you know.
999
00:42:09,988 --> 00:42:13,450
One had the purse strings
and one had the creative vision.
1000
00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:16,245
[Graham] Jackson's vision was
starting to make Weinstein
1001
00:42:16,245 --> 00:42:19,665
pessimistic of his ability
to shoot the film on budget.
1002
00:42:19,665 --> 00:42:22,751
This budget kept going up
and it was now looking like
1003
00:42:22,751 --> 00:42:25,087
almost twice
that $75 million cap.
1004
00:42:25,087 --> 00:42:28,382
[Victoria] Harvey's like, "I can
only do it for $75 million".
1005
00:42:28,382 --> 00:42:31,802
[Graham] And if two movies
cost 140 million,
1006
00:42:31,802 --> 00:42:34,096
then Harvey simply
did the math.
1007
00:42:34,096 --> 00:42:36,390
So Harvey said, "We're not gonna
make two movies.
1008
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:38,141
"We're only gonna make one".
1009
00:42:38,475 --> 00:42:40,102
No! Never!
1010
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:42,312
Of course, Pete was going,
1011
00:42:42,312 --> 00:42:46,483
"You can't do it with one movie.
It's too big".
1012
00:42:46,483 --> 00:42:49,570
He's like, "No, that's
what it is, one single film".
1013
00:42:49,570 --> 00:42:52,197
[Andrew] Peter Jackson
and Fran Walsh did not think
1014
00:42:52,197 --> 00:42:53,949
that they could do justice
1015
00:42:53,949 --> 00:42:56,994
to the source material
with just one film.
1016
00:42:56,994 --> 00:42:58,996
[Graham] After two years
of preparing
1017
00:42:58,996 --> 00:43:00,706
to turn New Zealand
into Middle Earth...
1018
00:43:00,706 --> 00:43:02,123
I think it broke them.
1019
00:43:02,123 --> 00:43:03,959
[Victoria] Peter was convinced,
1020
00:43:03,959 --> 00:43:05,627
"I'm gonna
have to walk away from this".
1021
00:43:05,627 --> 00:43:07,754
Harvey said, "Well,
if you don't wanna do it,
1022
00:43:07,754 --> 00:43:10,047
"we'll just find another
director that wants to do it".
1023
00:43:10,047 --> 00:43:12,509
It's a strange fate
that we should suffer
1024
00:43:12,509 --> 00:43:14,428
so much fear and doubt.
1025
00:43:14,428 --> 00:43:17,681
They panicked and they realized,
we have to rescue this thing.
1026
00:43:17,681 --> 00:43:20,142
It cannot be
a Harvey Weinstein movie.
1027
00:43:20,142 --> 00:43:23,020
[Graham] For Peter Jackson
and his fellowship,
1028
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:24,605
the fate of Middle Earth
1029
00:43:24,688 --> 00:43:26,982
and the New Zealand
film industry...
1030
00:43:27,024 --> 00:43:29,109
Half the country
worked on those movies.
1031
00:43:29,318 --> 00:43:30,736
[Graham] ...was in his hands.
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