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[Chickens cluck]

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See? See?

You want it?
You want eggs?

No, you can't reach for it.

[Drawer squeaks]

[Utensil clatters on pot]

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I got some Lego sets
that I've built,

like, this is like
really cool.

These are some dinosaurs.

It double clicks.

And my favorite part.

[Legos clicking]

No one knows about it,
I only tell my bestest friends.

Virtually all I remember

is sleeping on the couch
next to a gray church.

Just going over to this place
with a bunch of people

like terrorists or something.

So, like, and there is one
particular thing I do remember,

not I didn't, like,
on my birthday

when I turned 6
they didn't celebrate,

but the only toy I pretty much
had was a little buildable,

Megalosaurus the dinosaur.

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Man: Terrorism is essentially
mostly a media operation.

The act of violence
is to get your view across

because otherwise no one else
would listen to it.

Reporter:
A second American woman has
now surfaced in connection

with a terror investigation

that stretches from Colorado
to Ireland.

First Jihad Jane, now
the woman dubbed Jihad Jamie.

Man: And so as we watch
the mainstream press cover it,

it's almost like you applaud
yourself on the back

because you know full well

that the ramifications of that
are going to be.

Reporter: You really cannot
judge a book by its cover.

You can't tell
what your neighbor's doing.

Reporter #2: We've got two women
that went online,

which now they're both
under arrest.

Reporter #3:
An American woman waging jihad.

Have you ever seen
anything like this?

Are these women
a complete anomaly

or is this
a whole new profile?

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[Yell]

Hi, baby.

Sometimes my sister could carry
it to the far, far corners.

Like join the Muslims
and becoming a terrorist.

First American woman
to be arrested

for terroristic acts
in America was my sister.

Colleen would pretend, like,
to make a phone call,

and I took this picture of her
to do something funny.

So she can pretend like she's on
the phone with a business call

or whatever she was doing
was singing.

There's Colleen
when I was at her apartment.

There's Colleen enjoying
herself, in, um, Amsterdam.

And this is what some girl
in prison made, Colleen.

Uh, says,
"Jihad Jane to the rescue,"

and made a picture
of Colleen's mean face.

[Birds chirping]

Colleen LaRose:
I was so into my jihad
in my mission that that's all

that meant something to me

and I just wanted
to accomplish this.

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Being in prison,
I reflected over my past

and I realized that I used
to be a pretty selfish person.

And I didn't show
my appreciation to Kurt

like I should have because,
I mean, he did nothing wrong.

That's the one regret I have,

is that he didn't deserve
what I did to him.

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Kurt:
Ferris is the name of the town

there where
the radio station is,

and they were living
right in front

of the actual transmitter site
for the radio station.

[Indistinct radio speech]

We were putting in new equipment

for the station,
so we worked for,

you know,
three to four months there.

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She liked to talk.
She liked to, y'know, hang out.

Basically just seemed like
a normal country girl.

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And then Colleen eventually
came up and moved in with me.

We were very happy and
spending time with each other,

so I think we were
both happy at that point, yeah.

Mark Wilson: That time period,
she remembers fairly fondly

until his, his father,

Kurt's father and her mother
had to move into --

they were in an apartment,
they both needed care.

Colleen's a fairly
social being,

but she was tied
to that apartment

and she started to spend
a lot of time on the computer.

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As I understand it,
Kurt recognized

that there was an issue
for them in their relationship,

and so he decided
to take her to Europe.

And it was actually
while she was in Europe

that she had started
to be intrigued in Islam.

Colleen LaRose:
I went to Amsterdam.

My boyfriend and I
had some words or whatever,

and we were drinking
and he went to bed

and I went downstairs to the bar
and I was drinking some more.

And then I got on the elevator

and there was a Middle Eastern
guy on the elevator.

And me and him, we decided
to go get our own room.

And we stayed together
for a few, couple, few hours

and then I went upstairs
to my boyfriend.

He went upstairs
to his girlfriend.

After I come back to America,

decided I was going to find
another Middle Eastern man

because I liked him.

I joined different sites for
Muslim,

for, well, for Arab lounge,

Arab, something
and then mezima.com.

I joined, like, a couple
other sites for Muslims.

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I started meeting different
brothers and sisters online

in different Muslim sites,

and they was teaching me
more about Islam,

and I made a lot of brothers
and sisters

I made a lot of and brothers
and sisters,

and we was always talking
online, mostly through YouTube.

I was watching videos
on YouTube.

The thing that had
an effect on me

was the brutality I seen
against the Muslims.

It would, like, make me mad.

I was seeing -- I mean,
I would get,

I would get upset.

the blood and the bodies
and the children.

And I mean,
it was just so much shit.

They just kept bombing them.

The day that I was watching
the Zionists bombing

the Palestinians and you hear
the children

screaming and crying
and in the people,

all the women and the brothers.

And at the same time, I was
watching this on the Internet,

outside my window
in the streets,

little kids were playing
and having fun and laughing.

And I was thinking to myself,

"You know,
nobody knows what's going on."

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I was hurt by what was happening
then I got real angry

and I decided
that I hate I hated Zionists

and I wanted
something done to them.

And I started talking to other
brothers and sisters

who thought, like me.

And then I went further
and found another brother

who was into jihad.

[Indistinct speech]

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When I first met
Jihad Jane online,

I was about 15 or 16 years old.

When I first came to America,
I was in 2007.

High school was very different

from what I was acquainted
with in Pakistan.

And I didn't really know how to
interact properly with people.

Having Aspergers, you know,
I would just kind of

stay to myself and, you know,
be in my own world.

I did become a social recluse.

I did actually try to avoid
people.

Unfortunately, that led me
to just turn to the Internet.

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Man: [On TV]
This is in 20th century Europe.

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All that's needed is one...

The first videos that I watched

was just innocuous
religious videos,

so I would just try
to get to know more

about the religious aspect
of my life.

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But then they became, you know,

videos about wars
in different countries,

about bombings and, you know,
attacks by extremists.

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I would just blame the West
for the entire problems

that
the Muslim world was facing.

Everything that was wrong
with the world as I imagined,

I, you know, I was angry about
that, you know, and I wanted to,

I wanted to know more.

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So I would be online for
as many hours

that someone
would work full time.

So about 40 to 50 hours a week,
I would just be online.

You know, just watching
multiple videos.

I would say probably
hundreds of videos.

I met Colleen LaRose
through YouTube.

She was a very avid commentator
on different YouTube videos.

It was very apparent that she
was spending a lot of time,

just as much as me.

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Kurt: When she was
at the house there,

she was doing a very good job,

not only taking care
of her mother,

but, you know,
trying to make sure

that my dad took his medicine.

But she did spend a lot of time
on the computer.

I knew she'd like to play
a lot of the games

on the computer there.

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Colleen LaRose: Felt like I was
living a double life

and I wanted to commit
to one of them.

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And I've committed to jihad.

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Thought that he was like me,

that he wanted to do something,
make a difference.

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I thought that he was a brother

that was into jihad
like I was,

and he was somebody
who had already tried

to do a couple of things
to further the cause of jihad.

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And then he was in some sort of
an army of sorts or whatever,

who, according to him and that
he had fought for the Muslim.

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But he did say that there was
a house work ready for me

and brothers and sisters
were there waiting for me

and all I need to do
is just to come there.

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I met Black Flag
on Islam guiding English forums,

and these are like
actual jihadist forums.

He was one of the very
active users on there.

The Black-Flag came across
as someone who knew basically

what he was doing, you know,
he was very authoritative,

he was very influential
in the forum itself.

I mean, he had a certain level
of eloquence,

you know, in his words.

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The remarkable thing to me
when I first got involved

in this case was that.

Just, just all open, there was
there was no coded language,

there was no attempt to hide.

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Jan Federacyk:
Colleen LaRose had come
to the attention of the FBI

because she was on social media
talking about, uh,

certain types of desires
and intents relative

to what was happening
in the Muslim world

and wanting to do something
to rectify

what she perceived
as wrongs against Muslims.

And so you definitely
would have been paying

quite a bit of attention
to not only her,

but to others in her network.

Well, Eli was...

identified as somebody
who was in Pakistan.

In her mind,
he was the technical expert,

Colleen LaRose:
I met the brother Eagle Eye.

He was an al-Qaeda operative.

He had a page on YouTube
and I saw some of his videos

and I liked his videos
because they were about jihad.

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Mark Wilson:
There's also an interesting...

there's a movie called
"Eagle Eye,"

an American movie that's about
a fictional terrorist

who's known as Eagle Eye.

For what it's worth, that she
didn't know about that movie.

I'm not convinced
he's a real individual,

as opposed to somebody
who was pretending

to be a terrorist
or a government agent.

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Colleen LaRose: He told me,
do I want to know about somebody

who needs to be dealt with?

And I said, well, he said that
Lars Vilks needs to be killed

and that what he's done,

that nobody's ever slapped him
for what he's done

and he needs to be killed

because you want to know
the crime that he did.

And I said, "Yeah."

[Birds calling]

Lars Vilks:
You've got the invitation
to a smaller exhibition

in the middle of Sweden.

They had a project
called The Dog in Art,

so they asked me
for a contribution to that.

My drawing you want my drawing,

was the head of the prophet
on, on a dog.

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Some Muslims started
to make demonstration.

[Chanting]

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There was demonstrations
in Pakistan, Bangladesh.

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I had a phone call
and they told me

"We had bad news,
we had bad news."

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I was informed by the police
saying that

"al-Qaeda had put a price on
your head."

[Man speaking Arabic]

I didn't know what was
actually a fatwa meant.

It's just a very, very,
very dangerous.

[Speaking Arabic]

How does these things work?

Will there be people
coming after me?

Who?

Will it take 10 minutes?
Will it take one hour?

Take a couple of days
or what will happen?

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Colleen LaRose:
I'm just a sister, and he's had
that much confidence in me

and he thought
that I was that strong,

that I could go do that,
and it made me feel good

that he had
that much confidence in me.

Mohammad Hassan Khalid:
There was a lot of talk
about killing this cartoonist.

I mean, we would chat about it
almost every day.

Me and LaRose would
definitely talk a lot about it,

and she was very excited
to partake in it.

She was very passionate about
and I was very passionate

about it,
and we kind of, you know,

just look towards the Black Flag
as the person,

you know, who would just kind of
bring this whole thing together.

Colleen LaRose:
And then he told me that the
brothers can't get close to him

because he's got bodyguards
all around him

and that I could probably
get close to him.

I told him,
I said, "Yes, I'll do it."

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Jan Federacyk:
Oh, that would have accelerated
the investigation

because now you have her being
directed to travel overseas

in support of terrorism,

to actually plot to kill an
individual in a foreign country.

I was talking to my brother
online all the time,

and the Black Flag told me that
he had everything ready for me

and he told my brother
in Pakistan

that everything was ready
for me.

So I was all, "You need to get
out of America."

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[Wind blowing]

Cristine: There's a lot more
families in this country now,

that have got kids
that are pulling the same stuff,

and I'm sure they're probably

asking themselves
the same question, why.

You know,
what are these people

saying to these kids
that getting them

turned their back
on their country...

and going and fighting
for something that is not real?

And, and what, what?

These people came into my home,
through the computer,

and invaded my, my domain
and stole my daughter from me.

[Creaking floorboards]

[Plastic crackles, crunches]

[Plastic crackles, crunches]

[Chair creaks]

-Okay.
-We good, guys?

Man: What did you think of
when you were in prison?

What I think about
when I was in prison?

Why in the hell did I ever
get on that plane?

So.

But I can't change the past.

I mean, in Islam
we're not allowed to say,

"Well, if I were to did this,
this would'a happened,

you're not allowed to say that.

So, I mean, you just got
to accept it.

It's the will of Allah,
subhanAllah.

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People laughed at me
my entire life,

so why am I going to worry
about it now? [Scoffs]

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I was made fun of in school
where I've grown up.

Sometimes it'd be lonely.

I wish I had friends,
but...

it was, like, it was this is
something I was always used to.

I grew up like that.

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I've always had
a low self-esteem,

but I have a hard time
saying no to people.

I always want to please people
make people happy.

And why do you think you want
to please people so much?

Because no one
wanted to be my friend,

I wanted to have friends.

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I got married when I was 18.

What age was he?

Uh, 33.

He used to beat me up
all the time.

It was physical,
he would hit me,

give me black eyes,
fat lips.

One morning, I woke up and I
found my gun next to my head

and he wasn't in the room.

He beat me up and so I ran out
on the house

and ran straight
to the police department

and got a restraining order
put against him.

And after the divorce,
I never heard from him again.

I had a couple boyfriends
after that.

Um, nothing serious, but, um,
and then I met my son's father.

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His name was Alejandro.
He was from Mexico.

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I got pregnant with my son
down in Mexico.

I was so excited
I had finally had a baby.

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Cristine: He had had
a warrant or something.

George Mott: They sent him
back to Mexico.

Yeah, they deported him
back to Mexico.

And so Christian doesn't know
who his dad is.

Man:
Who was your third husband?Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
Some guy I worked with,

he ended up getting arrested
and eventually got deported.

Well, I wasn't going to
get married again,

I was through.

Yes, we got married
and divorced,

marry, divorce, marry, divorce,

and I just got tired of it.

Why, what for?

I didn't want to
deal with it anymore.

I was happy I had my little job,
I was going to college.

I had my own place, had my own
little car, had my son.

So I was making it.

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It was in 2009,
I noticed on her computer screen

that she had this Lawrence
of Arabia type,

you know, screensaver
on her computer.

I didn't think of anything
of it at first,

but then during
Easter week of 2009

is when she made
the announcement

that she was going
to convert to Islam.

I remember being in the bedroom
and she just walked in

and just blurted it out.

I reacted poorly.

I just, you know, I was angry.

[Metallic clatter]

Jamie Pauline Ramirez: I like
the idea of the Brotherhood.

Every Muslim is the brother
of another Muslim.

I like that idea.

I will talk
to people online about Islam

and ask them questions
and everything.

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Cristine: She worked long hours
at the doctor's office

and she got home
at 7:00 at night

and head straight back
to her room,

get on the computer
talking to these people

until, you know, 1:00, 2:00,
3:00 in the morning.

I will read and comment on
like Newcomer's to Islam

and watch videos
about newcomers to Islam.

And eventually I ran
into my codefendant,

his screen name
with the Black Flag.

He sent me an e-mail
through YouTube.

Originally,
he always talked about

living in a non-Muslim country.

Then he would send
me jihad videos,

and then about a week or a week
or so around there,

he asked me to marry him.

One day I walked in the kitchen
and I heard Arabic playing

and I'm like,
it just caught my ear.

And it was like,
"And the infidels"

and I was like,
the fuck are you doing?

And I looked at her computer
and it's got all the bodies,

all the blow ups, you know,
and America's doing this,

and this is happening
with Israel.

And I said, Jamie, I said,
is this something for school?

She goes, "They're hurting
our people."

I said, "Jamie, that ain't even
your fight."

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Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
He sent me an e-mail...

telling me
that she needs to contact me.

Colleen and him had been
communicating previously and,

and me and Colleen
communicated together.

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[Message alert dings]

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[Message alert dings]

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[Message alert dings]

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Jan Federacyk:
The fact that she was able
to make that connection

with Jamie
in these online forums,

Colleen, is actually engaging
in online recruitment.

You know, obviously Jamie
fell into line with that

and actually took
her own direct steps.

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Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
The decision was not finalized
until about three days before.

I wanted to go by,
I didn't want to go,

I wanted to finish school too,
so but my mom wouldn't let up.

What the hell?

This lady is never going to
let me be a Muslim woman.

I might as well just leave.

I got tired
of getting yelled at.

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Well, I had one of our police
officers knocking at my door,

wanting to know
where she was at.

She hadn't been
at work in a week.

And I said, "What?"

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I called her on the phone,
I said, "What are you doing?"

And she told me that she was
going to go stay

with a friend down in Denver.

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Kurt: I had come home in the
afternoon or evening there

and she was gone.

And I didn't know where she was
or what had happened there,

but, yeah, I just got home
and her mother

was there by herself
and she was gone.

[Siren wails]

The only thing that I know
of that was missing,

I mean,
was she had taken my passport.

She didn't take any money or
anything else that I'm aware of.

It was like
she just picked up and left.

So you have the purchase
of the the tickets.

You have Colleen
stealing the passport.

You have her making contact
with the Swedish embassy saying,

I want to become a citizen
and she's gone well beyond

just espousing
what she would like to do.

So now this case is full on.

Pam LaRose: He told me
that Colleen had ran off.

He said, "And I'm sending
your mom back to Texas.

He says,
"I can't take care of her.

My dad just died recently."

What the hell is she doing?
I had no idea.

It's your worst nightmare
because now you have

two American citizens

who they've been having
these conversations,

they've been engaging
in these planning activities,

and now they've actually taken
that next step to travel abroad.

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Man: Do you ever think of
your sister as a terrorist?

Pam LaRose: No.

I mean, I'm glad
she is so important now.

But I don't see how.

To me she's still
my little sister.

You know, same mom,
same father, same blood.

Everything.

Except she's short.

[Crickets chirping]

Colleen LaRose: I felt pride,
I felt more strong,

that I had a mission,
I had a goal.

Something that was important,
that needed to be done

and I was going
to be the one to do it.

Colleen, in your life,
is there any other times

where you felt important?

Not like that, no.

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Mark Wilson: Her parents were
both alcoholics.

Her father was abusive
when drunk,

her mother was drunk frequently.

They were for a while
still together.

Then they separated,
her father remarried,

and it was then
she would bounce back and forth

between her father's household
and their mother's household.

Neither was
a very good place for her.

Colleen: The first time I ran
away, I was like 13,

it was moved
from Michigan to Texas.

So I just kept running away.

I can't calculate the amount of
times Colleen has run away.

She just had a lot of anger
also.

You know, a lot of hurt a lot of
confusion, a lot of pain.

Colleen LaRose:
I think I was, like, um

about 13, I've met this guy
that had a restaurant.

He knew a pimp and the pimp
came in there one day and saw me

and me and him
just started talking

and I just ended up
going home with him

and then he started me
doing all kinds of stuff.

That's what I started doing,
drugs. I mean, everything.

I wanted to make a lot of money
so that my pimp

would be happy with me

and I felt like these men
when they came to see me,

I felt like I was desirable.

At that time, I didn't click
to me that this is terrible.

At some point after
she wandered into prostitution,

yes, her first husband
was one of her customers.

Well, he was like 33
and I was like 15

and he liked getting high
and I like getting high.

He was crazy.

I don't know who our witnesses
was or if we had

witnesses or what,
but we ended up getting married.

And I got married to him
by using a fake I.D.,

a fake birth certificate.

That he had gotten and I had --

he gave me the birth certificate
to carry around in my pocket

so it looked like it's worn out.

Pam LaRose:
We went to Buddy's house,

which was Colleen's husband
at the time,

and he said she was gone,
she was out prostituting.

And so we couldn't
find her nowhere.

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Colleen LaRose: I was a truck
driver at that time.

He was one of my customers.

Well, he met me at the
what they call it,

a "hose stroll"
it's where I was,

the street I was working on.

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And he told me
he was going to leave Texas

and he's going to Tennessee

and he asked me
if I wanted to go.

I just wanted to get away.

And that was my perfect way
to get out.

So I came b-- I went with him.

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And while I was with him,
I was going,

I was going to truck stops
with him.

And he was prostituting me
'cause the truck driver's there.

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And I would just go
from one truck to another.

And then we got to Tennessee
and I was real sick

and I couldn't go out with him.

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I was sick, and so I guess
I was more sick then, I know,

because there's all kinds
of things wrong with me.

So I was not able to go out

to work
with the truck driver no more.

And they never came back for me.

'Cause I was sick and I didn't
have nowhere to go,

and I went to this restaurant
and this one lady

came up to me and she asked me,
"Are you okay?"

When I encountered
Colleen LaRose,

I was a counselor at the runaway
house in Memphis, Tennessee.

She had told me that she had
started prostituting

around 14 years of age

and had basically been
on the streets since age 13.

And one thing that had
contributed to that

was the dysfunction
within her family unit.

So I did call Richard LaRose,
Colleen's father.

One reason this case
stuck out in my mind so much

was when I on the phone told him
about the allegations

that she had made
towards him of sexual abuse.

He admitted it to me.

Matter of fact,
he used the words that,

"Yes, I did rape my daughters."

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Pam LaRose:
In my eyes, Richard it was
nothing but a lousy, drunk,

lazy, abusive to my mother,
abusive to us children,

but he never physically
would hit us,

but he would do other sexual
stuff to my sister and I.

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It started when I was nine,

and I think Colleen was six
or seven when it started.

I think she was seven when he
started messing with her.

Colleen LaRose: I remember one
time when I was seven,

he came to my bed
and I guess

he was
he was touching me or whatever,

and he asked me
if I ever been fucked.

And I told him, "No."

I don't remember
what happened after that.

It just, I blocked it out.

I always got real nauseous
at my stomach.

Him just doing stuff to me,
nasty stuff.

Just about every...
about twice a week.

Colleen LaRose:
I remember one time when my,
my mother and my step dad

was driving me and my sister,

my brother back to my real dad
and his wife

and I was in
the back seat of the car.

I just started to cry
because I knew

what was going to be
waiting for me when I got there.

Olive Mannino: So he confirmed
to me that her allegations

were true about
the incestuous relationship

that he had with his children.

I did hand her the phone
and Colleen confronted

her father and she was very
angry and she was very tearful

and I just remember
that conversation so vividly.

And I remember her screaming
into the phone

while I stood there beside her
and she was yelling at him,

"Why did you do this to me?

Why did you mess me up like
this?

Don't you see
what you've done to me?"

And she was so angry and so full
of rage towards him.

And I remember her
slamming down the phone

and then just embracing me

and crying
and crying and sobbing.

And it was just like years
of abuse

she was trying to let out.

♪♪

Colleen LaRose:
It was just a part of my --
I consider everything in my life

is been a big adventure.

And so it was just part of me
growing up,

it's what I had to go through.

[Cars whooshing by]

May I speak to Mark, please?

This is [Chuckles]

This is Fatima.

[Laughs]

Okay, I'll wait.

Hello, Mark?

Hey, it's me.

I'm free.

I'm coming home.

[Cars continue whooshing by]

This is Muslimah.

This is Abdullah, he's pink

because he's in touch
with his feminine side.

And this is Frenchie,
he's deformed.

So Frenchie is the gay dog.
[Laughs]

I tell you,
I'd say y'all can't imagine

that a terrorist sleeping
with stuffed animals. [Laughs]

Yeah, everybody should.
It keeps you calm at night.

And when I was in the shoe,
I didn't have them,

I would get a towel
and I would bundle it up

and I would hold the towel
like I held my cat

and sleep with that.
[Laughs]

Guess it's like
a security thing.

This is my bucket list
for when I get out.

Find my baby Daw Savage,
go to Zim's Facebook page,

copy pics for her.
Keep in touch with my babies.

It'll be Breezy, Jalin, Max,
Tatiana, Meeco,

and of course, most important,
my sweet baby Zimmy.

Oh, there is a new disease.

I heard about a lot of girls
heard about it.

It's called blue waffle,
women get it.

It's like it's a sexually
transmitted disease.

That's what they said.

And we all don't know
if that's a real thing

or if people are just
making it up.

Yeah, we just we never
heard of it.

We want to see what it is

and how you get it
and how to get rid of it

and what it what
does it do to you?

Research in minute detail
the situation in Palestine,

how it used to be
before the Zionists invaded

and the situation
they are in now.

Man: When you were in prison,
what did you think about

the event at Waterford
and what had happened?

I was proud of myself
because I told my brother

that I was willing to do
what he asked me to do.

I knew he was proud of me.

♪♪

When I wrote him
Waterford he came

to get me at the airport,
he told me, he says,

"I feel that you went
from YouTube to Ireland."

I go,
"I can't believe I'm here."

♪♪

I got into the back seat
because, oh, sister,

don't sit beside brother
on the car,

we sit behind and I sat behind,

he didn't talk to me.

But he didn't
and he was very quiet.

I could tell that
there was something

that was bothering him,

but he wouldn't tell me
what it was.

♪♪

His real name was Ali,
and he was from Algeria

and he's lived in France awhile,
and he...

sort of, like,
came out of nowhere.

Brian Chesser: [British accent]
Ali Charaf Damache was living
in a one-bedroom apartment,

a rather rundown street.

I did ask him
about Black Flag.

And he acknowledged
that it was him.

He was a loner,

he had excellent English,
intelligent, literate,

he had been in the auctioneering
business in Cork.

And now, he was unemployed.

Colleen LaRose:
Wasn't that big of an apartment
it a restroom at a bedroom

and a front room and kitchenette
type thing all in one space,

and that's where I was sleeping.

Pam LaRose:
When she first got to Europe,
she called me,

she was wearing,
because it was during the time

where Muslims don't eat.

-Ramadan, yeah.
-Ramadan.

And, she says, "I wonder if it'd
be okay with the time changes

and everything she's already
been through,

if she could at least have
banana, you know,

something to eat. She always
loved bananas.

And I thought,
I said,

"I would, What are they're going
to put you in jail?"

We talked for a little bit and I
told her what time it was,

it was 5:00 in the morning
in Texas.

And then the phone went out.

The next day, Jamie was there,
you know, Jamie was in Ireland.

I had no idea.

And then I went
and I talked to Jamie

and Jamie told me
she had gotten married.

So I said,
"Who'd you get married to?"

And she said, "Brother Ali."

I arrived in.

Arrived there on Sunday morning.
We got married Monday.

We couldn't have children
without marriage,

so I wanted more kids, so.

Uh, I had to get married
in order to have more kids.

And I said, "Oh."

I didn't understand,
because I was just in the car

with him the day before,
he picked me up at the airport.

He had just gotten married
that morning to her.

He never mentioned that to me.

I said, "Oh,
okay, well, that's great."

♪♪

Mohammad Hassan Khalid:
When she was over there,
you know, intermittently,

she was able to talk with me
through the same chat messengers

that we were using.

LaRose described that she was
a little bit

disaffected
by meeting the Black Flag.

I mean, she had what she
imagined was not really true.

There was was
kind of an illusion.

The Black Flag was not
treating her the right way.

At one point,
I remember asking the Black Flag

if everything was fine if,
you know, things were in order,

and he said that everything
was in order

and he was very busy with stuff

and he was taking
care of everyone.

Colleen LaRose:
I didn't think that we had time
for a private life,

for our own life
when we had things to do.

He's moving on with his life
and here

I am holding my life back

so I can do
what I was supposed to do.

And here he is
on getting married.

Like why you're supposed to be
doing this? What are you doing?

[Windshield wipers ticking]

That was one of
the last messages

I sent to my brother
in Pakistan.

I was trying to reassure him
that I am strong

and I would not let him down.

♪♪

And I wanted him to know
that I'm not, I'm not afraid.

I would do it.

♪♪

She was she was a comic,
she was comical, she was funny.

But I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be
friends with her.

But I mean, she made me laugh
and she was comical the way

she did things,
the way she spoke.

I mean, she just kept on
running a million miles an hour.

Colleen LaRose:
Jamie was not allowed
to leave the apartment

and I did not want to stay
in the house all the time,

so I would go in the daytime
to different stores, whatever,

and when I would come back Jamie
would still be there alone.

And I felt bad for her
because I'm the type of person

that I'll do what my brothers
tell me to do,

but they're going to respect me.

And they're going to
take care of me

like they would take care
of your sister

and take care of your mother,
take care of your aunt.

They're not going to treat me
like I'm a dog.

♪♪

♪♪

Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
They really didn't hang out
together that much.

I mean, he told her
how to get to places,

but he didn't hang out with her.

He told me he didn't like her.

I mean, he just I thought
I thought he was like a leader,

like a leader.

And that he had everything
under control,

he had people under him,
and that he could teach me.

But it turned out
he wasn't that at all.

He was a liar. Period.

He lied to all of us.

And it was like, even, like,
when I talked to my brother

in Pakistan, and I told him,

"What did I Ali tell you
that he was going to do?"

And he said,
"Well, he told me

the same thing
that he told you."

So I said, "Well, I mean,
he, he, he didn't do it."

He said,
"Well, what's going on?"

But I didn't back down.

So, I mean, it left him just
standing there looking foolish

because he didn't have anything
ready, and I was ready.

♪♪

♪♪

So I was just waiting
and waiting and waiting,

and it's like, finally I need
to go do something.

So I went to the library,
I got on the Internet

and I went to the FBI website.

And then I wrote to them
and I told them,

I said, "Look,
if you let me come home,

I'll tell you the truth
that you want to know."

♪♪

We didn't Ali just took her
to the airport and she's gone.

Never heard from her again.

♪♪

♪♪

How much trouble I was
gonna get into?

No, I did not know.

It's just, like, you know, the
planning of killing that man,

I didn't think that was illegal
because I didn't do it.

I didn't follow through.

But apparently
that's called conspiracy.

And that's just as bad as

actually carrying it
through almost.

♪♪

For you know what I the
impression I get

for her the minute she came back
to the United States,

that episode was over
in her life.

And so she would talk
to the agents about it

and then they would let her
go home and that was it.

She would go back
and live with Kurt.

I think she really that's,
that's the way she perceived it.

[Thunder crashes]

And then when my lawyer told me
that I was looking at life

I was like, "What the heck,
I didn't even do anything."

The FBI told me, "This is
a little bit of trouble,

this is a lot of trouble,
you're right here."

♪♪

[Wind rushing]

Jamie Pauline Ramirez: After,
after we decided to get married,

the jihad aspect
of our conversations

pretty much got put
on the back burner.

Did he discuss
jihad with you?

After we decided
to get married, no.

Very little,
I'll say very little.

Was it a loving relationship
that you had?

Loving? No.

Mnh-mnh.

Why not?

I don't know.

He was very quiet
and very distant.

He didn't talk to me.

Maybe 10 sentences.

Maybe I'm exaggerating a little
bit, but it was very little.

He wasn't, he wasn't violent
towards me, he just didn't talk.

I mean, I didn't like
the way he treated my son.

He was mean to my son.

I didn't like that at all.

Basically, it sounds like
that Ali's, uh,

taking control of the child
was the biggest factor

in the life
in that apartment.

He, you know,
he fashions some gun

for the, for the young child,

and he was, he was essentially

like starting
to totally inculcate him,

taking him places,
leaving him behind.

Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
A lot of times he would take
my son to the park

and I would be left at home.

Cook and then clean and then
look on the Internet.

Christian:
I have no clue if my mom
was happy there.

Pretty much I never
really saw her

except like sitting down
and reading the newsprint or...

You didn't really see her?

No, I saw her a lot, but,
like, not really doing anything.

Sometimes were you not
allowed outside?

Not that I wasn't allowed,
I just didn't get to wha--

not that I was -- he didn't say,
"No, you can't go outside,"

but he just didn't
take me anywhere.

♪♪

Brian Chesser:
Jamie said she only went out
once or twice.

So it was just total isolation.

Jeremy Ibrahim Gonzalez:
It seemed to me like
he kept her isolated

and would not let her
leave the house,

so she was very much
a prisoner in that home

and she allowed that to happen.

You know, she very well
could have picked up and left.

But when you look at her history

from her previous marriages
and the domestic abuse

she suffered
and a dysfunctional childhood,

it is, you know, very much akin

to battered woman syndrome
where she's not going,

even though it would make
eminent sense for her to leave.

And, you know,
what compounds it is,

she's in a foreign country,
so where does she go?

♪♪

I got pregnant
around February-ish.

And was that a shocker?

I don't know. No.

A fact of life.

It happens.

Were you happy
with the news?

Was I happy
with the pregnancy?

Yeah, I wanted,
I wanted more kids.

So, it's not like I was going to
reject the baby.

What does [Indistinct] have
anything to do with anything?

I'm working
on my garden thing,

you want to talk
to Christian?

[On cell phone]
Yes.
Okay.

Christian,
it's your mom.

Hi, baby,
what are you doing?

Nothing, just watching TV.

What you watching?Uh, "River Monsters."

What is it?

"River Monsters."

Oh, yeah.
So what'd you do today?

Huh?
So what'd you do today?

Fed the chickens.

Woke up.

That's about it.

Is this
your last week of school?

Huh?
Is this
your last week of school?

Yeah.

That's good.

[Indistinct speech]Yep.

Well, I'm gonna try to have
them mail that thing
[Indistinct]

So you can
come out here this summer.

I hope I, hope I can.

Yeah, I hope you do, too.

Can't wait to see you.

Can't wait to see you.

So I'll try to make some money
and send it to Grandma,

and bring you out here.

Hopefully,
I'll have a bigger apartment.

Mm.

You getting bored?
[Chuckles]

A little.

Are you getting bored? No.

Ah.

[Coughs]

You good?

Huh?

You good?

I am.

[Coughs]

[Coughs]

So what you been up to?

♪♪

Christian: One day, they came
busting through the door

and then they took me
and it was a cloud from there.

♪♪

I can't remember anything
from there on.

There was a bang at the door
and then

Ali goes, "Omalee,
it's the police."

And he jumps over me
and by the time he made it

to the other side of the floor,
the police were in the room.

♪♪

♪♪

Ali Charafe Damache:
You're stupid.
You really are stupid men.

You don't have,
you don't have

people in America,
living in America.

Believe me, when we get you,
you will pay.

It's expensive.

Man:
What's the purpose of this call?
Why are you calling?

[Speaking Arabic]

And this is the, this is the
consequences of a hypocrite.

You show me these photos,
and I will shoot you.

I will put a bullet
in your head.

[Siren wails in distance]

Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
Christian, my son,

they took him to
this little play area

and then they took me
to the side

and told me
what I was arrested for.

Conspiracy to provide material
support to al-Qaeda.

♪♪

They let me say goodbye to him.

♪♪

What did you say
to him?

Then I was gonna, I was gonna
go away for a while.

♪♪

♪♪

I was in my room
in solitary confinement

and just another regular day,

and this girl started yelling
at me, "Fatima, Fatima!"

I said, "What?"
She said, "They say that

you're all over on the TV."
I said, "What?"

She said, "Yeah, they said
something about 'Jihad Jane.'"

I said, "Really?
What are they saying?"

"They said something about you
was going to kill somebody

or something like that."

And, um, they're saying
"it's all over the news."

Man: We have got
a "Fox News Alert."

Tonight,
the Jihadist Next Door.

Susan, what do we know?

Take a look at this woman.
Her name is Colleen LaRose.

She's been in here,
at the federal prison

in Philadelphia
since October.

♪♪

One of the COs was standing
in front of my door

and she was freaking out
because I guess

that the news people were all in
front of the prison, too.

Wanting to film the prison
or whatever,

and she'd go, "LaRose!"
I said, "What?"

She goes, "What did you do?"
"Nothing." [Laughs]

And I realized that, you know,
people had known about me.

I had no idea it was going to be
as widespread.

I don't know.
It's just, it was crazy.

Good evening, everyone.
She calls herself "Jihad Jane,"

a petite blond
from the Philadelphia suburbs.

Tonight, a fascinating story.

A woman who lived on Main Street
in Pennsburg, Pennsylvania,

stands accused of trying
to recruit others

to wage a holy war
in Asia and Europe.

An assistant attorney general
said this case demonstrates

that terrorists are actively
looking for Americans

to join their ranks.

♪♪

Colleen's indictment
was a big deal.

I got inundated with calls
from the press that day.

And this was a shocker.

She calls herself "Jihad Jane."

That's the name
she gave herself.

I think the whole thing
was fueled by the fact

that she called herself
Jihad Jane. [Chuckles]

I mean, that wasn't
what the press called her,

she called herself that.

Woman: New tonight,
a Pennsylvania woman

who calls herself Jihad Jane,
has been charged...

And because of that,
it mushroomed

much more than it was.

Our big story this morning,
Jihad Jane.

She called herself Jihad Jane.

Jihad Jane.

The kind of cases that get
media attention are, are absurd.

I mean, they're absurd.
So this is an absurd case.

But it's "Jihad Jane."

Colleen LaRose:
I gave myself that name.

I take pride in my name,
Jihad Jane.

They call me a terrorist.
They call me Jihad Jane.

They call me all kinda thing--
Yeah, that's me. Yeah.

That's fine.
I'm proud of my name.

She wasn't
necessarily hiding.

When you're using the name
Jihad Jane, and you're online.

Reporter:
This video you see here,
it shows where LaRose lived.

We also understand
from neighbors

that she had a boyfriend
with whom she lived.

Those initial showed up...

Kurt:
Those days were terrible.
I got to admit that.

I mean, I don't know
how else to describe it,

but, yeah, it was miserable.

It's hard enough having, you
know, a relationship problem,

but having
a relationship problem

that's, you know,
spread out throughout the world

is really
makes it terrible there.

Alright, Steve Teeley
reporting live

from the Philadelphia area.

Thank you very much.
It's interesting.

Apparently,
she lived with a guy

and stole his passport
to give to a terrorist.

Kurt:
Other than that, I don't know.
I think it's mostly

just caused me more personal
heartache than anything.

[Speaking Swedish]

Lars Vilks: 'Twas, um,
major news in Sweden,

so when the phones
started to ring.

That was the whole day for that.

Well, you mentioned the artist
she wanted to kill, Lars Vilks.

He came out with a statement
and I read, quote,

"I'm glad she didn't kill me."
Well put, Lars.

It seems very abstract in a way,
to me.

It's like living in a film.

And in a way,
it's a perfect work of art

where you play
the main character for yourself.

Colleen LaRose, may not look
like a terrorist,

and that's precisely
what has people worried.

Then the news people
make a big deal out of me

because I'm an American woman.

And I have I mean,
I was planning to kill a man.

And I guess, I mean,

that's not something
that you see every day.

Reporter: We've heard of soccer
moms, right?

But what do you call
Colleen LaRose?

My question is, we know
that male suicide bombers,

I believe they're rewarded
with 72 virgins in heaven.

But what do the female martyrs
get Pat?

The Quran's really
not clear about that.

They get to wash the dishes
for all the others.

This is exactly
what so many Americans

have been fearful of.
Is that one of our own

who doesn't assume
the normal stereotypical

"jihadist look"
would actually turn.

First, Jihad Jane, now the woman
dubbed "Jihad Jamie."

Jeremy Ibrahim Gonzalez:
When Jamie was charged,
I had to correct the media

because she never described
herself as jihad Jamie.

And they stopped
using the name.

But, at the same time, you know,
if you're part of a band

and you're not the player
that anybody remembers,

you're still part of the band.

Reporter: ...taking her
6-year-old son with her.

A 17 year old when he started
to work with Jihad Jane

and we have to be concerned

about this type of individual
in the future.

Khalid,
a legal immigrant from Pakistan,

faces 15 years in prison.

I was keeping tabs
on what was happening

and I was looking
at news coverage.

It was mostly about her,

how she represented an anomaly
in the whole terrorism concept,

the fact that she was white,

that she was blonde,
blue eyed,

and that she wasn't,
you know, someone

whom a typical terrorist
would look like.

Reporter:
Jihad Jane, is this the new face
of homegrown terrorism?

Yes, the new face
of the war on terror.

That came from
the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Reporter:
According to authorities,
thisis the new face

of international terrorism.
-Federal authorities say this is

the potential face of terrorism
in the United States.

Colleen LaRose represents
the new face of terrorism.

Alright.

Yes, the media
plays a role in this.

But the government,
the process isn't the FBI.

The prosecutors fashioned her,

the first white female jihadist
ever arrested.

And my client was
the youngest jihadist

ever arrested in U.S. history.

The Justice Department says this
points to an evolving threat.

Reporter: The indictment
underscores the evolving nature

of the threat we face.

This case underscores
the evolving nature

of the threat that we face.

Mark Wilson: So I think the
message that the government

intended
to get out there was,

"Oh, now there's terrorists that
are not Arab Muslims.

That they haven't come from
overseas

and snuck onto a plane
with a bomb.

They are living among us,
and...

I think that they were
interested in

kind of fear mongering.

That she was a full-fledged
jihad machine, Bill,

In many ways, she represents
the greatest fear of the FBI,

a suspected terrorist
who fits no profile,

a U.S. citizen who can travel
freely and blend right in.

Jihad Jane is a real threat.

[Operatic music plays]

♪♪

♪♪

Lars Vilks:
Last year there came an Opera
at the Opera House in Stockholm.

On the theme of Jihad Jane.

We had -- With just,
three characters,

Jihad Jane, the artist,
and a reporter.

That was a very nasty picture of
the artist actually.

[Singing opera]

That's why I thought about

trying to do something
completely different.

♪♪

I want to go deeper,
and make,

to make a long Opera, actually.

♪♪

♪♪

It seemed to be over.
And when it comes to 2010,

I actually thought
that I forgot.

But then came this case
and of course,

this case has
a special fascination

and it became
kind of world news.

Everyone seemed to believe
that I had done something again.

[Applause]

♪♪

I showed a video about religion
and homosexuality,

a funny, funny video,
because it was showing

the prophet
in homosexual situations.

♪♪

♪♪

[Shouting in Arabic]

And at that time, the Muslims
in the room, they they reacted.

And one man came up to me,
but then the bodyguards acted

and suddenly there was
a riot in the room.

Police fighting with
with angry Muslims.

And I was pulled out of the room
and that was the riot in there.

♪♪

♪♪

And then just two days later,
I mean,

you had this two Muslim guys

tried to burn down my house.

And they were all armatures.

They tried to burn
down the house,

but they set fire to themselves

and they left their driver's
license at the place.

I mean, that's it's really
on the same amateurish level.

That's, again, what I call
the amateurish pair.

Okay, and this has been
inspected before.

It's just that
it's not a real gun.

[Conversing in Swedish]

[Speaking Swedish]

What happened that day,
yes, I mean,

I was I had been
at this place in Copenhagen

several times before.

Lars Vilks:
Nice and calm.

[Singing]

This time we had
the French ambassador there.

He gave a speech
about the Charlie Hebdo case.

I just started, then,
then the shooting began.

[Singing]

Woman: And the turning point,
is "but."

Why do we still say
but when we --

[Gunshots]

[Chatter]

[Metallic clatters]

♪♪

That is a kind of breaking point
in the whole story,

when, when you have to face
a reality

and you lose the idea
of being a part of a comedy.

I mean, they now know
we have people

that are acting on such a level

that the people
actually are killed.

♪♪

Because then you understand

that you can't really talk
about amateurs anymore.

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

This place looks
like it's shut down.

I hear that that the employment
is getting better,

jobs are coming back to America.

I like Trump.

I like him because he don't care
what anybody says.

And when he got the job
as president or whatever,

it was a downgrade from where he
was used to or most presidents

get the job as president
is an upgrade for them.

I just like the way that Trump

will say something
and he don't apologize for it.

When he says he's going
to do something, he does it.

or he tries to do it,
whereas most politicians,

when they say they're going
to do something,

they just say it because
they want to get elected.

I would vote for Trump.

But I do not like him

what he did with the Israelis
and the Palestinians.

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

Okay, you got
the other one in?

We just gotta go up the road,
get some water.

Water for them,
water for us.

Okay. That's all.

[Sighs] That's it.
Okay.

[Chatter]

It's not worth
the trouble, man.

I mean,
we both sit up wondering

if we died in the morning,
how safe is he?

He can't get through by himself,
you know, and that ain't right.

I worry about his mom
sending somebody

because she can't
be heard verbally.

I'm seri--
I don't like her.

I don't like his mom
for what she did to him,

what she did to you.

And what she started now.

I told that bitch
before she got in trouble.

You going to jail in six months?
Was she there?

Yes.

Was she charged with what I said
she could be charged with?

Okay, so I I'm not
a profitable forecaster,

but I knew what the fuck
I was talking about.

She know what I'll do.

And I've done her
and don't play.

I'm not the one
to play with.

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Thank you.

You're fortunate
that you don't really remember

a whole lot of stuff.

About the only thing you
remember

is not having a birthday.A couple things.

And your mom sitting on the pot
reading a magazine.

Yeah, that was weird, but yeah,
I don't remember anything.

So honestly, this isn't
a big deal to me anymore.

It really was
never a big deal.

It's for me, it's something
that I remember every minute.

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I saw, like,
a Wikipedia page on her

and I was telling her about
how she was telling me

about how she
a terrorist and all that.

I didn't really feel that much,
but it just

nothing really surprised me
'cause I kind of knew

everything about
what the page said.

Man: Do you regret
bringing him over there?

Well, I mean, I regret going
over there, period,

because I'm -- it lost seven
years of my son's life.

Yeah, I regret that.

But I accept it.

[Horns honking]

When someone calls me Colleen,
it irritates me.

I can't explain it.

If somebody did it at prison,
I would jump all over her.

Don't ever call me
that you ever call me that,

I will not answer to you.
Don't ever call me that.

I don't like to be called
Colleen anymore

because it's a part of my past
that I no longer have.

As far as I'm concerned,
she's pretty much dead.

[Thunder rumbles]

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Mark Wilson: It's going to be --
so these first few weeks

are going to be
a little tough.
Yeah.

Got to get you a job.
Just be like a temporary job.

A job doing what?I don't know.

[Sighs heavily]But you need money.

Yeah. Yeah.

Mark Wilson: It's fascinating
how she was used.

And yet she wouldn't complain
about being used at all.

That's that's really one of the
biggest ironies in all of this.

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She just likes that her name,
got out there. [Chuckles]

It's sort of --
and I laugh about that,

I you know,
I shouldn't 'cause it's sad.

Colleen LaRose: My old self,
I'm nobody.

But with what, with what I did,
I'm somebody.

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I'm Jihad Jane.
Yes, I'm somebody.

That's true. Yes.

And it sounds vain,
I don't like to sound vain.

But yeah, I am somebody.

I am somebody people know and,
yeah, I like it. It feels good.

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Cristine:
I got red, green, white.

[Chatter]

[Fireworks explode]

[Cheers and applause]

♪♪

Jamie Pauline Ramirez: You learn
your lesson from the past,

of course, yes.

But to dwell on the past
and saying,

"Well, I wish
I could've done that."

No, it's not worth the time.

There was a reason
I went to prison,

what it is,
I haven't learned yet.

Well, maybe it's to learn,
to learn something

about myself, I don't know.

To protect me from something.

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It's me and the Swedish king,
we are in the same situation.

He has also to cope
with limitations.

[Fireworks explode]

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[Fireworks whistle, explode]

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What happened, happened.

I mean, there's no turning back
to the, to date.

I mean that's, uh in this
country at least, you know,

I've been the youngest person,

but tomorrow it could be
someone else, you know?

So it's, it's important
not to let that happen.

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Colleen LaRose:
At the end of the day,
there was one person

who always loved me
through all this,

and he never, he of course,
he got hurt.

Of course he got upset.

But he still loved me
through all this.

And there's no way
I'll ever be able

to make up to him
for everything I did.

I'm going to try as hard
as I can to make him happy.

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He doesn't understand Islam

because his idea of Islam
is what happened to me.

Because I reverted to Islam
in 2008

and then I got
to prison in 2009.

He told me, "Well, see what a
lot of good Islam did for you."

But he doesn't understand,

This is something Idid not
Islam didn't do to me.

Idid this.

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