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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,437 --> 00:00:04,438 (SIREN BLARING) 2 00:00:11,879 --> 00:00:14,982 NARRATOR: An Evangelical preacher led nearly a thousand followers 3 00:00:15,049 --> 00:00:18,786 from the United States deep into the jungles of South America. 4 00:00:18,852 --> 00:00:20,321 How about you, 5 00:00:20,388 --> 00:00:22,223 is it the best thing that ever happened to you? 6 00:00:22,290 --> 00:00:24,192 NARRATOR: They would build a new community, 7 00:00:24,258 --> 00:00:26,094 free of oppression and violence. 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,130 It was to be their paradise on Earth. 9 00:00:29,197 --> 00:00:31,332 VERNON GOSNEY: I wanted to leave as soon as I got there. 10 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:33,067 I was in an armed encampment. 11 00:00:33,134 --> 00:00:36,570 NARRATOR: But outsiders threatened to expose the dark side of their leader. 12 00:00:37,805 --> 00:00:40,641 We are going into Jonestown. 13 00:00:40,708 --> 00:00:42,976 And if any of your family members want to come home, 14 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:45,513 then, by God, we're gonna bring 'em home. 15 00:00:45,579 --> 00:00:46,747 (SCREAMING) 16 00:00:46,814 --> 00:00:50,484 You people gonna just... Just leave us. 17 00:00:53,587 --> 00:00:55,289 VERNON: They're killing everyone! 18 00:00:55,356 --> 00:01:00,861 NARRATOR: In one day, two worlds collided and paradise was lost. 19 00:01:00,928 --> 00:01:02,062 JIM JONES: Know that you have never, 20 00:01:04,498 --> 00:01:09,002 never been loved so much as I love you right now. 21 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:10,838 (WOMAN SOBBING) 22 00:01:14,041 --> 00:01:16,510 (ALL SINGING) 23 00:01:22,583 --> 00:01:26,053 The People's Temple was a wonderful mosaic 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,489 of the whole spectrum of humanity. 25 00:01:32,025 --> 00:01:37,765 It was a dream that died on November 18th, 1978. 26 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,908 The threat of mass suicide was quite real. 27 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:02,216 Now this morning, there are fresh reports. 28 00:03:02,283 --> 00:03:04,552 Jones ordered a mass suicide. 29 00:03:04,618 --> 00:03:09,890 914 people were murdered or drank Kool-Aid laced with poison. 30 00:03:09,957 --> 00:03:12,159 MAN: A lot of the children were crying 31 00:03:12,226 --> 00:03:16,264 and he was telling them not to tell the children that they were dying, 32 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:18,098 not to tell them it was painful 33 00:03:18,165 --> 00:03:21,001 and that people had to die with dignity. 34 00:03:23,103 --> 00:03:25,339 NARRATOR: In November 1978, 35 00:03:25,406 --> 00:03:27,408 reporters around the world broke the news 36 00:03:27,475 --> 00:03:31,545 that Jim Jones and more than 900 of his followers died. 37 00:03:36,817 --> 00:03:39,720 By the late 1960s and early '70s, 38 00:03:39,787 --> 00:03:45,025 the streets of America erupted in violence and civil strife. 39 00:03:45,092 --> 00:03:49,229 The war in Vietnam, civil rights marches and political assassinations 40 00:03:49,297 --> 00:03:51,332 played out on television. 41 00:03:51,399 --> 00:03:53,100 (CLAMORING) 42 00:03:53,166 --> 00:03:55,569 OFFICER ON LOUDSPEAKER: Everyone, disperse immediately. 43 00:03:55,636 --> 00:03:57,905 NARRATOR: Out of this turmoil, thousands of Americans 44 00:03:57,971 --> 00:04:03,277 flocked to hear the sermons of a charismatic preacher named Jim Jones. 45 00:04:03,344 --> 00:04:06,780 A fiery order, Jones' early speeches were a mixture 46 00:04:06,847 --> 00:04:10,451 of socialist ideals and Christian redemption. 47 00:04:10,518 --> 00:04:11,952 STEPHAN JONES: If there was anything universal 48 00:04:12,019 --> 00:04:13,253 about the Temple experience 49 00:04:13,321 --> 00:04:14,655 and what it was that drew people, 50 00:04:14,722 --> 00:04:17,891 it was on some level 51 00:04:17,958 --> 00:04:22,630 we were all wanting to belong. 52 00:04:22,696 --> 00:04:25,065 NARRATOR: Some turn to the Temple because they need help, 53 00:04:25,132 --> 00:04:27,535 others want to serve humanity. 54 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:32,540 Whatever they need, Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple seem to have it. 55 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:36,143 JONES: The only way it's going to get better is through us 56 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:38,346 and what we can do in the world 57 00:04:38,412 --> 00:04:42,583 and that was everything from gradual social change 58 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:49,523 to violent revolution to cleaning up after nuclear fallout. 59 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:54,762 NARRATOR: Jim Jones claimed special powers to heal the sick and dying. 60 00:04:54,828 --> 00:04:59,099 Staged healings were a popular attraction at Temple meetings. 61 00:04:59,166 --> 00:05:00,701 (JIM JONES SPEAKING) 62 00:05:03,371 --> 00:05:06,006 A guy like my dad 63 00:05:06,073 --> 00:05:08,275 found out what you wanted to hear and see 64 00:05:08,342 --> 00:05:09,777 and showed it to you. 65 00:05:09,843 --> 00:05:11,345 Whatever you were looking for 66 00:05:11,412 --> 00:05:14,715 or wherever you were running from or running toward, 67 00:05:14,782 --> 00:05:17,885 Dad had an uncanny ability to hook into that. 68 00:05:21,689 --> 00:05:25,459 It's exhilarating and very attractive. 69 00:05:25,526 --> 00:05:27,127 Once you get hooked by that 70 00:05:27,194 --> 00:05:32,032 it's really hard to get unhooked. 71 00:05:35,503 --> 00:05:37,538 NARRATOR: As his popularity grew, 72 00:05:37,605 --> 00:05:42,476 Jim Jones preached less about the bible and more about social activism. 73 00:05:42,543 --> 00:05:44,211 He called himself a prophet, 74 00:05:44,277 --> 00:05:48,482 a savior who would guide, protect and watch over his followers. 75 00:05:48,549 --> 00:05:50,250 JIM: I want you to be like I am. 76 00:05:50,317 --> 00:05:51,952 I want you to become what I am. 77 00:05:52,019 --> 00:05:54,822 I want you to enjoy the fearlessness that I have, 78 00:05:54,888 --> 00:05:56,189 the courage that I have, 79 00:05:56,256 --> 00:05:57,891 the compassion that I have, 80 00:05:57,958 --> 00:05:59,359 the love that I have, 81 00:05:59,427 --> 00:06:01,962 the all-encompassing mercy that I have. 82 00:06:02,029 --> 00:06:06,800 I want you to be what I am and something greater. 83 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:11,439 NARRATOR: Jim Jones' devoted followers referred to him as Father. 84 00:06:11,505 --> 00:06:15,843 Many signed over their paychecks, possessions, even their homes. 85 00:06:21,248 --> 00:06:22,816 But at the height of his power, 86 00:06:22,883 --> 00:06:25,419 a darker side of Jim Jones emerged. 87 00:06:27,087 --> 00:06:29,222 Former Temple members accused Jones 88 00:06:29,289 --> 00:06:31,058 of physical and sexual abuse, 89 00:06:31,124 --> 00:06:33,961 mind control and forced druggings. 90 00:06:37,030 --> 00:06:40,601 In 1977, as media interest grew, 91 00:06:40,668 --> 00:06:42,603 Jim Jones and hundreds of his supporters 92 00:06:42,670 --> 00:06:45,739 left San Francisco, California. 93 00:06:45,806 --> 00:06:47,441 They set out for Guyana, 94 00:06:47,508 --> 00:06:51,278 determined to build a new community in the South American country. 95 00:06:52,946 --> 00:06:54,347 In the middle of the jungle, 96 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:57,918 150 miles from the capital of Georgetown, 97 00:06:57,985 --> 00:07:02,155 Peoples Temple built what was to be a socialist paradise on Earth. 98 00:07:02,222 --> 00:07:05,993 They called it Jonestown after their leader. 99 00:07:06,059 --> 00:07:08,762 (INAUDIBLE) 100 00:07:08,829 --> 00:07:11,599 Because of Father's example here in Guyana, 101 00:07:11,665 --> 00:07:14,468 we are building equipment and doing things to feed hungry people 102 00:07:14,535 --> 00:07:16,003 and set up a little town, 103 00:07:16,069 --> 00:07:18,506 an actual community or a country of our own 104 00:07:18,572 --> 00:07:22,442 where we can live the way we like to live with our own lifestyle. 105 00:07:22,510 --> 00:07:25,178 Not to be interfered from people from the outside 106 00:07:25,245 --> 00:07:29,082 and to help starving masses of the world. 107 00:07:29,149 --> 00:07:32,586 NARRATOR: As the allegations in the United States intensified, 108 00:07:32,653 --> 00:07:36,223 Temple members continued to flock to the remote outpost. 109 00:07:39,326 --> 00:07:43,964 Labeling the attacks as a government conspiracy to topple Peoples Temple, 110 00:07:44,031 --> 00:07:47,568 Jones and many of his followers denied the charges. 111 00:07:47,635 --> 00:07:51,471 It's the most beautiful place I've ever been in all my life. 112 00:07:51,539 --> 00:07:53,440 There's so many wonderful things about it. 113 00:07:53,507 --> 00:07:55,475 This is a beautiful place here 114 00:07:55,543 --> 00:07:58,245 and it's fun over here, it's really good. 115 00:07:58,311 --> 00:07:59,980 I do not want to go back 116 00:08:00,047 --> 00:08:01,615 in any way shape or form 117 00:08:01,682 --> 00:08:03,651 to the States. 118 00:08:03,717 --> 00:08:07,821 I can't help but say that none of this would have been possible 119 00:08:07,888 --> 00:08:10,190 had it not been for Jim Jones. 120 00:08:36,550 --> 00:08:40,688 JONES: My father, his entire existence 121 00:08:40,754 --> 00:08:44,124 lay in the hands of those who perceived him. 122 00:08:44,191 --> 00:08:45,659 I think people need to understand 123 00:08:45,726 --> 00:08:48,028 that every hour of the day 124 00:08:48,095 --> 00:08:50,297 Jim Jones thought he was a fraud. 125 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:51,632 He knew he was a bad guy, 126 00:08:51,699 --> 00:08:52,866 he knew he was a sick guy, 127 00:08:52,933 --> 00:08:54,968 he just didn't want anybody else to know. 128 00:08:56,503 --> 00:08:57,771 (SIREN BLARING) 129 00:08:58,706 --> 00:09:01,341 White Night, White Night, 130 00:09:02,876 --> 00:09:05,545 everybody report to the pavilion. 131 00:09:05,613 --> 00:09:07,114 White Night. 132 00:09:07,180 --> 00:09:10,984 NARRATOR: Vern Gosney had joined Peoples Temple in 1974 133 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:13,787 and had been living in Jonestown for eight months. 134 00:09:13,854 --> 00:09:19,693 GOSNEY: The term White Night was a term used for like an extreme emergency. 135 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:21,695 (SIREN BLARING) 136 00:09:23,496 --> 00:09:26,499 There would be a siren or an announcement 137 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:29,703 to come to the pavilion immediately 138 00:09:29,770 --> 00:09:31,571 and it was a life and death situation. 139 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:34,908 It was something where the community was being threatened, 140 00:09:34,975 --> 00:09:37,110 and we had to make an immediate decision 141 00:09:37,177 --> 00:09:39,747 about a course of action. 142 00:09:39,813 --> 00:09:42,750 And it would usually be all of the night. 143 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:47,988 NARRATOR: White Nights were used by Jim Jones 144 00:09:48,055 --> 00:09:52,392 to create an atmosphere of fear and desperation amongst his followers. 145 00:09:54,527 --> 00:09:58,632 The White Nights sometimes included rehearsals for mass suicide, 146 00:09:58,699 --> 00:10:02,202 which Jones considered a test of faith and loyalty. 147 00:10:21,488 --> 00:10:22,990 (TAPPING ON MIC) 148 00:10:28,561 --> 00:10:30,898 I am the greatest friend that you will ever have, 149 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:34,267 and I'm trying on every level to protect this community. 150 00:10:34,334 --> 00:10:35,803 Are you with me? 151 00:10:38,005 --> 00:10:40,040 Are you with me? 152 00:10:40,107 --> 00:10:42,309 (CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 153 00:10:42,375 --> 00:10:45,478 GOSNEY: There were people with guns and rifles 154 00:10:45,545 --> 00:10:47,715 surrounding the assembly. 155 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:53,520 People that I knew, for years, with guns, 156 00:10:54,587 --> 00:10:56,356 and they weren't pointed outward, 157 00:10:56,423 --> 00:10:58,358 they were pointed inward. 158 00:10:58,425 --> 00:11:03,063 And so there was a sense of an armed encampment. 159 00:11:08,401 --> 00:11:11,571 So I must warn you again and again 160 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,176 to be together with the community. 161 00:11:17,811 --> 00:11:20,613 (BREATHING HEAVILY) 162 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,718 Jim? You've been at it for hours. You're exhausted. 163 00:11:24,785 --> 00:11:26,553 They're exhausted and afraid. 164 00:11:28,188 --> 00:11:30,023 Let them go to sleep. 165 00:11:38,465 --> 00:11:39,900 All right. 166 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:43,470 Go on, go on back to bed. 167 00:11:45,372 --> 00:11:47,207 NARRATOR: After the death of his wife, 168 00:11:47,274 --> 00:11:50,577 Vern Gosney arrived in Jonestown with his four-year-old son. 169 00:11:50,643 --> 00:11:51,845 Night. 170 00:11:51,912 --> 00:11:53,413 GOSNEY: I was very vulnerable. 171 00:11:55,648 --> 00:11:58,685 I decided I was going to go to Jonestown 172 00:11:58,752 --> 00:12:00,854 and they were going to make me be a good socialist. 173 00:12:00,921 --> 00:12:02,890 Whatever I was lacking within myself 174 00:12:02,956 --> 00:12:05,525 would be instilled in me by living in Jonestown. 175 00:12:07,627 --> 00:12:10,197 I wanted to leave as soon as I got there. 176 00:12:10,263 --> 00:12:13,200 I was not free to leave, nor was anyone. 177 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:14,367 (CLATTERING) 178 00:12:16,103 --> 00:12:21,008 I had confided in my roommate that I wanted to leave 179 00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:25,678 and that was taking a huge, huge risk. 180 00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:26,880 (CLATTERING) 181 00:12:28,515 --> 00:12:32,953 He had at one time attempted to escape, 182 00:12:33,020 --> 00:12:35,055 and he was punished so severely 183 00:12:35,122 --> 00:12:37,925 that he was literally frightened out of his mind. 184 00:12:41,328 --> 00:12:43,363 We're gonna die here man. 185 00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:48,969 We're gonna die here. 186 00:13:09,622 --> 00:13:15,395 NARRATOR: On November 14th 1978, US Congressman Leo J. Ryan, 187 00:13:15,462 --> 00:13:17,797 along with his aide, Jackie Speier, 188 00:13:17,865 --> 00:13:23,436 flew to Guyana to investigate allegations of abuse within the Temple. 189 00:13:23,503 --> 00:13:26,673 The delegation included relatives, who were determined to see 190 00:13:26,739 --> 00:13:29,809 that their loved ones were free to come and go as they pleased. 191 00:13:30,978 --> 00:13:34,047 Jim Jones considered the group a direct threat, 192 00:13:34,114 --> 00:13:37,650 bent on his and the movement's destruction. 193 00:13:37,717 --> 00:13:40,753 Fourteen relatives, some former Temple members 194 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:44,324 who spoke out against Jones accompanied Ryan. 195 00:13:44,391 --> 00:13:46,826 Members of the US media covered the trip including 196 00:13:46,894 --> 00:13:51,999 Don Harris from NBC, an American television network, 197 00:13:52,065 --> 00:13:57,170 and Tim Reiterman, a reporter on assignment for the San Francisco Examiner. 198 00:13:57,237 --> 00:14:01,141 Jim Jones initially presented Peoples Temple 199 00:14:01,208 --> 00:14:03,610 as an extraordinary institution. 200 00:14:05,312 --> 00:14:09,182 And he was someone who was viewed as a little eccentric 201 00:14:09,249 --> 00:14:11,851 because he went around with bodyguards 202 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:14,321 and he wore dark glasses, 203 00:14:14,387 --> 00:14:16,990 whether the sun was out or not. 204 00:14:19,659 --> 00:14:21,428 Think he's got something to hide? 205 00:14:21,494 --> 00:14:23,796 What do you think? You spoke with him. 206 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,166 Yeah, on the radio once. 207 00:14:26,233 --> 00:14:27,734 Figures we're out to get him. 208 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,070 REITERMAN: Congressman's Ryan's trip 209 00:14:30,137 --> 00:14:32,805 was designed to find out 210 00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:37,144 whether the allegations from ex-members were true, 211 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:40,713 that Jim Jones controlled the members 212 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:43,550 through disciplinary beatings, 213 00:14:43,616 --> 00:14:47,120 forcing them to turn over their property 214 00:14:47,187 --> 00:14:52,659 and in some cases custody of their children, 215 00:14:52,725 --> 00:14:56,796 and whether he was threatening people with death 216 00:14:56,863 --> 00:14:58,865 if they would leave the organization. 217 00:15:05,272 --> 00:15:09,742 Folks, we're about to land in Georgetown. 218 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:13,313 It's been a long road for many of you. 219 00:15:14,314 --> 00:15:16,916 Your loved ones are down there 220 00:15:16,984 --> 00:15:18,918 and I just want to let you know that 221 00:15:18,986 --> 00:15:21,854 we're gonna do everything we can to make sure they're safe, 222 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:26,193 they're happy and they're being well looked after. 223 00:15:26,259 --> 00:15:29,262 In other words, we still don't have an official invite. 224 00:15:29,329 --> 00:15:32,065 Uh... Let me tell you something right now, 225 00:15:32,132 --> 00:15:35,168 not as your congressman but as your friend. 226 00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:37,570 We are going into Jonestown, 227 00:15:37,637 --> 00:15:40,440 and if any of your family members want to come home, 228 00:15:40,507 --> 00:15:42,542 well, by God, we're gonna bring them home. 229 00:15:44,044 --> 00:15:45,645 (APPLAUDING) 230 00:15:50,183 --> 00:15:53,686 Congressman? I just wanted to say... 231 00:15:54,321 --> 00:15:56,456 To thank you. 232 00:15:56,523 --> 00:15:58,525 This wouldn't have happened without you. 233 00:16:00,193 --> 00:16:02,529 LEO: May I? SHERWIN HARRIS: Oh, sure. 234 00:16:02,595 --> 00:16:04,731 She's going to be 22 in a week. 235 00:16:07,667 --> 00:16:09,936 You always hope yours are gonna turn out all right. 236 00:16:11,071 --> 00:16:12,739 -LEO: Your ex? -Yeah. 237 00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:14,241 She was Linda when I knew her. 238 00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:15,842 Now she's Sharon. 239 00:16:16,643 --> 00:16:18,445 Jones made her do that. 240 00:16:18,511 --> 00:16:19,546 You know why? 241 00:16:20,613 --> 00:16:22,149 He knew this other girl called Linda, 242 00:16:22,215 --> 00:16:26,253 didn't like her, so now no one can be called Linda. 243 00:16:28,755 --> 00:16:31,024 Don't you worry about a thing, Sherwin. 244 00:16:31,091 --> 00:16:32,692 Everything's gonna be just fine. 245 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:40,333 NARRATOR: Sherwin Harris was attempting to visit his daughter Liane 246 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,335 who was living in Jonestown. 247 00:16:44,471 --> 00:16:47,040 Peoples Temple was something that started out 248 00:16:47,107 --> 00:16:49,442 apparently to be a good thing, 249 00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:52,312 and just turned into a nightmare. 250 00:16:52,379 --> 00:16:56,183 In 1978, my daughter was 21 years old. 251 00:16:56,249 --> 00:16:58,718 My daughter, Liane, 252 00:16:58,785 --> 00:17:01,554 was brought into the Peoples Temple by her mother, 253 00:17:01,621 --> 00:17:03,890 who was one of the initial members. 254 00:17:03,956 --> 00:17:08,961 I had what I considered a strange relationship with my daughter. 255 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:10,897 There was always a distance between us, 256 00:17:10,963 --> 00:17:14,901 there was always something strange going on. 257 00:17:14,967 --> 00:17:17,770 It was clearly, you know, a dangerous situation. 258 00:17:17,837 --> 00:17:21,241 At this point we knew that guns had been transmitted there. 259 00:17:21,308 --> 00:17:23,042 We knew what their attitudes were, 260 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:24,677 we knew that they were talking, 261 00:17:24,744 --> 00:17:26,946 that they were Marxist and revolutionaries 262 00:17:27,013 --> 00:17:30,250 and people that acted brutally towards their own members. 263 00:17:30,317 --> 00:17:34,654 So I don't think there was any illusions on any of our parts. 264 00:17:45,365 --> 00:17:47,267 (HAMMERING) 265 00:17:47,334 --> 00:17:51,404 GOSNEY: The promise of Guyana was cloaked in religious terms. 266 00:17:51,471 --> 00:17:53,473 It was the promised land, 267 00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:55,208 the land of milk and honey, 268 00:17:55,275 --> 00:17:58,678 the land where we're gonna build a society 269 00:17:58,745 --> 00:17:59,779 that's really just. 270 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,150 We worked from sun up to sun down. 271 00:18:03,216 --> 00:18:05,218 We ate rice three times a day. 272 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:12,925 It's hard to really convey the remoteness of that place. 273 00:18:12,992 --> 00:18:16,529 There was no means of communication with the outside world. 274 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:18,898 There wasn't like, "Let me run a mile 275 00:18:18,965 --> 00:18:20,633 "to go to the phone." 276 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,535 There's no phone. 277 00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:24,137 There's no telephones, 278 00:18:24,204 --> 00:18:26,973 there's no televisions, there's no nothing. 279 00:18:28,575 --> 00:18:31,010 I think it's difficult to express to people 280 00:18:31,077 --> 00:18:35,047 who don't have this kind of experience that, 281 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:36,549 "Oh, well, why didn't you leave? 282 00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:37,917 "It's so horrible, it's so terrible. 283 00:18:37,984 --> 00:18:40,086 "How could you put yourself in that position?" 284 00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:44,791 When, actually, we were working for a cause that we believed in. 285 00:18:44,857 --> 00:18:48,195 It's like taking people to the limit, 286 00:18:48,261 --> 00:18:51,764 and then moving that line, and then moving that line, 287 00:18:51,831 --> 00:18:53,533 and then moving that line 288 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,171 and wanting so desperately to believe in the dream 289 00:18:58,238 --> 00:19:01,974 and not seeing that the dream has become a nightmare. 290 00:19:02,041 --> 00:19:03,476 NARRATOR: A handful of Temple members 291 00:19:03,543 --> 00:19:06,746 were permitted to form a basketball team. 292 00:19:06,813 --> 00:19:10,950 Amongst them was Jim Jones' 19-year-old son, Stephan. 293 00:19:11,017 --> 00:19:13,986 Days before the arrival of the Ryan delegation, 294 00:19:14,053 --> 00:19:17,089 Stephan and the basketball team left for Georgetown 295 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:21,494 to play a series of games against the Guyanese national squad. 296 00:19:21,561 --> 00:19:23,963 Dad was worried about the basketball team leaving 297 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:25,198 and going into Georgetown. 298 00:19:25,265 --> 00:19:28,401 He knew the congressman was coming. 299 00:19:28,468 --> 00:19:33,039 I'm sure he feared that we might turn against him 300 00:19:33,105 --> 00:19:36,576 and, fortunately, Mom saw that happening 301 00:19:36,643 --> 00:19:41,714 and Mom had really made this her cause, to get us out of there. 302 00:19:41,781 --> 00:19:45,318 You have in your hands the opportunity to make or break Jonestown, 303 00:19:45,385 --> 00:19:47,754 but you have to show a lot of character, 304 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:49,489 a lot of character and grace. 305 00:19:51,658 --> 00:19:55,094 I've seen tremendous growth in you, Stephan. 306 00:19:55,161 --> 00:19:58,531 Now what you want to do is when they score a goal, 307 00:19:58,598 --> 00:20:00,467 -you, um, you give a little clap... -(CLAPPING) 308 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:02,269 ...and you run right back to your post. 309 00:20:03,603 --> 00:20:04,971 All right? 310 00:20:08,174 --> 00:20:10,076 "Now remember boys, when the other team scores 311 00:20:10,142 --> 00:20:12,078 -"you just give them a little clap, just like that. -(CLAPPING) 312 00:20:12,144 --> 00:20:14,247 "A little clap." 313 00:20:14,314 --> 00:20:17,049 Believe me, fellas. I had a little clap in my day. 314 00:20:17,116 --> 00:20:18,851 Don't let him provoke you. 315 00:20:18,918 --> 00:20:21,053 He's trying to find a reason to keep you from going. 316 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,790 Hmm? Just be the better man. 317 00:20:29,195 --> 00:20:32,265 Okay. Come on now. 318 00:20:32,332 --> 00:20:34,200 Keep your eye on them. 319 00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:35,768 On who? 320 00:20:39,306 --> 00:20:40,640 You don't trust them? 321 00:20:40,707 --> 00:20:44,277 Anybody is capable of putting a bullet into your head 322 00:20:44,344 --> 00:20:47,580 and if you see any of those relatives, those liars, 323 00:20:47,647 --> 00:20:49,316 you don't have anything to do with them, 324 00:20:49,382 --> 00:20:50,683 you understand? 325 00:20:57,490 --> 00:20:59,058 You did well. 326 00:21:00,827 --> 00:21:02,261 Goodbye, my baby. 327 00:21:05,932 --> 00:21:08,435 You take care of yourself. 328 00:21:08,501 --> 00:21:10,837 I'll see you real soon. 329 00:21:10,903 --> 00:21:12,472 JONES: I remember saying goodbye to her. 330 00:21:12,539 --> 00:21:16,476 I remember a long moment of just us looking at each other. 331 00:21:16,543 --> 00:21:20,279 I remember tears in her eyes and tears of my own. 332 00:21:20,347 --> 00:21:24,717 I remember each of us saying that we'll see you soon, 333 00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:28,321 me believing it. 334 00:21:28,921 --> 00:21:30,457 Looking back, 335 00:21:30,523 --> 00:21:32,792 I don't think she did believe that would happen. 336 00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:36,028 (TRUCK DOOR CLOSING) 337 00:21:36,095 --> 00:21:38,831 I honestly think she thought she was getting us out of there 338 00:21:38,898 --> 00:21:40,533 before all hell broke loose. 339 00:22:11,030 --> 00:22:12,632 HARRIS: When we got off the plane, 340 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,702 the first person I saw was my ex-wife, 341 00:22:15,768 --> 00:22:17,770 and she was one of their leaders. 342 00:22:17,837 --> 00:22:20,540 She was pretty much the true believer, 343 00:22:20,607 --> 00:22:21,974 the fanatic, if you will, 344 00:22:22,041 --> 00:22:24,544 the type of person who could strap the dynamite on 345 00:22:24,611 --> 00:22:27,246 and walk in and take the whole room out. 346 00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:29,549 That's the degree of commitment. 347 00:22:37,056 --> 00:22:38,691 When we were in Guyana, 348 00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:41,260 my concern was to see my daughter. 349 00:22:41,327 --> 00:22:44,964 To that end I contacted my ex-wife. I phoned her. 350 00:22:52,772 --> 00:22:57,644 SHERWIN: No, I'm not trying to tear anybody apart. 351 00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:00,112 I am not against anybody. 352 00:23:00,179 --> 00:23:02,048 Would you stop that, please? 353 00:23:02,114 --> 00:23:05,652 I am here... I am here to see Liane. 354 00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:12,324 Lin... Sharon, I'm not gonna argue with you. 355 00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:14,994 I've just flown thousands of miles to see my daughter 356 00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,829 and I am going to see her, 357 00:23:16,896 --> 00:23:18,598 and neither you, nor the Temple, 358 00:23:18,665 --> 00:23:21,468 nor Jim Jones Almighty himself is going to stop me. 359 00:23:21,534 --> 00:23:23,503 All right? Do you hear me? 360 00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:25,638 Then hear me. 361 00:23:25,705 --> 00:23:27,440 She's my daughter, too, 362 00:23:27,507 --> 00:23:30,543 and I am going to see her tomorrow, 363 00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:32,378 if I have to go to Jonestown myself, 364 00:23:32,445 --> 00:23:34,847 I am going to see her. 365 00:23:36,883 --> 00:23:38,217 Good night. 366 00:23:44,056 --> 00:23:47,426 HARRIS: I wasn't really concerned about getting into Jonestown 367 00:23:47,494 --> 00:23:49,496 as much as seeing my daughter. 368 00:23:49,562 --> 00:23:51,898 I wanted to spend the time that I had there with my daughter 369 00:23:51,964 --> 00:23:56,002 and also to discover fully what was going on. 370 00:23:56,068 --> 00:23:57,470 I loved my daughter very much. 371 00:23:57,537 --> 00:23:59,672 I was committed to my daughter 372 00:23:59,739 --> 00:24:02,609 like you can't believe, from the moment of her birth, 373 00:24:02,675 --> 00:24:06,679 I got that her life depended on me. 374 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:09,649 It was just that simple and I was committed to her. 375 00:24:09,716 --> 00:24:11,350 I was very young when she was born, 376 00:24:11,417 --> 00:24:13,419 but it didn't matter. 377 00:24:13,486 --> 00:24:16,556 I would move Heaven and Earth. 378 00:24:16,623 --> 00:24:20,192 NARRATOR: The Peoples Temple owned a house in the capital of Georgetown, 379 00:24:20,259 --> 00:24:22,128 which functioned as a way station 380 00:24:22,194 --> 00:24:26,533 for Temple members moving in and out of Jonestown. 381 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:30,136 Residents of the house included Sherwin Harris' ex-wife. 382 00:24:30,202 --> 00:24:31,604 Come on, back to sleep, baby. 383 00:24:31,671 --> 00:24:34,140 NARRATOR: And his daughter Liane's stepsister, Kristen, 384 00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:36,408 and a younger stepbrother, Martin. 385 00:24:40,747 --> 00:24:41,948 (STATIC) 386 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:46,152 Come in Jonestown. This is Georgetown. 387 00:24:46,218 --> 00:24:48,320 JIM: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. 388 00:24:48,387 --> 00:24:50,590 SHARON: They're here. 389 00:24:50,657 --> 00:24:53,626 They're determined to get in. 390 00:24:55,227 --> 00:24:56,462 (STATIC) 391 00:24:58,030 --> 00:24:59,265 (MIC CLATTERS) 392 00:24:59,966 --> 00:25:01,568 (SNIFFS) 393 00:25:07,774 --> 00:25:09,375 (SIREN BLARING) 394 00:25:19,285 --> 00:25:23,255 JIM: (OVER PA) White Night, White Night, 395 00:25:23,322 --> 00:25:26,092 everybody report to the pavilion. 396 00:25:26,158 --> 00:25:30,029 White Night, White Night. 397 00:25:30,096 --> 00:25:35,034 GOSNEY: I had confided in my roommate that I wanted to leave 398 00:25:35,101 --> 00:25:38,504 and he confided in someone else. 399 00:25:42,642 --> 00:25:44,944 What's going on? 400 00:25:45,011 --> 00:25:46,378 And that was Monica. 401 00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:49,081 Dunno. 402 00:25:50,316 --> 00:25:51,984 We have gotta get out of here. 403 00:25:54,787 --> 00:25:56,422 I didn't trust anyone. 404 00:25:56,488 --> 00:25:57,990 Everybody was watching everyone. 405 00:25:58,057 --> 00:26:00,192 I had never had a conversation with Monica. 406 00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:02,328 You got a plan? 407 00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:05,197 Hell no! I thought you did. 408 00:26:06,699 --> 00:26:09,568 And we began to talk to each other 409 00:26:09,636 --> 00:26:12,739 and bolster each other about wanting to leave. 410 00:26:15,608 --> 00:26:17,176 NARRATOR: For many in Jonestown, 411 00:26:17,243 --> 00:26:21,380 the reality was at least as bad as the press reports. 412 00:26:21,447 --> 00:26:22,481 From what I've seen, 413 00:26:22,548 --> 00:26:24,884 what was reported was true 414 00:26:24,951 --> 00:26:26,452 and it wasn't good. 415 00:26:26,518 --> 00:26:29,388 Such as torture, abuse, 416 00:26:29,455 --> 00:26:33,525 deceit, theft, faked healings, 417 00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,227 drugging of people, 418 00:26:35,294 --> 00:26:36,696 punishing of children, 419 00:26:36,763 --> 00:26:40,332 the drumming up of fear. 420 00:26:40,399 --> 00:26:44,671 NARRATOR: Jim Jones used fear as his chief method of controlling his people, 421 00:26:44,737 --> 00:26:49,441 especially those with thoughts of returning to the United States. 422 00:26:49,508 --> 00:26:53,079 It was just one account after another 423 00:26:53,145 --> 00:26:56,248 of how horrible the United States was becoming. 424 00:26:56,315 --> 00:27:00,319 Concentration camps were being constructed for people of color. 425 00:27:00,386 --> 00:27:02,722 The borders were being patrolled 426 00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:06,759 by racist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan. 427 00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:08,460 When that failed, 428 00:27:08,527 --> 00:27:11,297 the message was, well, nuclear war is just around the corner 429 00:27:11,363 --> 00:27:14,166 and we were in one of the safest places 430 00:27:14,233 --> 00:27:17,503 to ride out nuclear holocaust. 431 00:27:17,569 --> 00:27:21,808 NARRATOR: Jim Jones, determined to keep prying eyes away from his settlement, 432 00:27:21,874 --> 00:27:24,476 rallied temple members to sign a petition 433 00:27:24,543 --> 00:27:29,548 demanding that Congressman Ryan and his delegation stay out of Jonestown. 434 00:27:29,615 --> 00:27:32,618 I want to see how many of you will sign right now, 435 00:27:32,685 --> 00:27:34,086 right now and say, "No! 436 00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:37,256 "No, I will not go back." 437 00:27:37,323 --> 00:27:40,392 GOSNEY: The conditions at Jonestown were not conducive 438 00:27:40,459 --> 00:27:42,995 for someone to think clearly or sharply. 439 00:27:43,062 --> 00:27:44,530 I was numb. 440 00:27:44,596 --> 00:27:47,834 I was emotionally, mentally and spiritually drained. 441 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:50,102 My own personal feeling was 442 00:27:50,169 --> 00:27:53,572 I didn't know what was going to happen to me. 443 00:27:53,639 --> 00:27:56,075 "No, I will not see any of my relatives." 444 00:27:56,142 --> 00:27:57,409 This is what you have to do 445 00:27:57,476 --> 00:28:00,479 because if your relatives come with Congressman Ryan, 446 00:28:00,546 --> 00:28:03,049 if your relatives come with him, 447 00:28:03,115 --> 00:28:04,650 then your relatives, 448 00:28:04,717 --> 00:28:08,120 your relatives are no better than he is. 449 00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:11,758 GOSNEY: I was unclear about what the plan exactly was, 450 00:28:11,824 --> 00:28:15,327 but my focus was the congressman 451 00:28:15,394 --> 00:28:17,163 and getting his assistance. 452 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,215 NARRATOR: Running out of options, 453 00:28:36,282 --> 00:28:38,450 Congressman Ryan confronted Temple members 454 00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:40,552 at their headquarters in Georgetown, 455 00:28:40,619 --> 00:28:44,423 the only link to Jim Jones and Jonestown itself. 456 00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:46,292 I better do this alone. 457 00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:56,502 Uh, if I'm not back in, say, five minutes, send in the dogs. 458 00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:00,873 NARRATOR: The house was full of Temple members, 459 00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:04,543 including Stephan Jones and the rest of the basketball team. 460 00:29:13,652 --> 00:29:15,021 (PEOPLE SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 461 00:29:21,794 --> 00:29:23,662 Hi. 462 00:29:23,729 --> 00:29:26,365 I'm Leo Ryan, the bad guy. 463 00:29:27,633 --> 00:29:29,635 Hi. 464 00:29:29,701 --> 00:29:31,871 JONES: I remember the congressman showing up. 465 00:29:31,938 --> 00:29:35,174 I remember having mixed feelings about it. 466 00:29:35,241 --> 00:29:38,010 Are you drawing? Let's see. 467 00:29:38,077 --> 00:29:42,448 JONES: Very outgoing, charismatic, genuine man, 468 00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:44,650 or so it seemed to me, 469 00:29:44,716 --> 00:29:46,485 and you don't get much of that in the Temple. 470 00:29:46,552 --> 00:29:48,020 What's your name? 471 00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:49,488 SHARON: What can I do for your, Mr. Ryan? 472 00:29:49,555 --> 00:29:50,957 Well, I'd like to speak with Jim. 473 00:29:51,023 --> 00:29:52,291 Jim's not here. 474 00:29:52,358 --> 00:29:53,792 But you can put me in touch with him. 475 00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:55,494 And at the same time thinking, 476 00:29:55,561 --> 00:29:57,229 "Who do you think you are 477 00:29:57,296 --> 00:29:59,365 "walking up on our house?" 478 00:29:59,431 --> 00:30:01,200 SHARON: You're gonna have to leave. 479 00:30:01,968 --> 00:30:03,903 Hi. I'm Leo Ryan. 480 00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:05,471 You must have heard of me. 481 00:30:05,537 --> 00:30:07,273 Stephan Jones. Once or twice. 482 00:30:07,339 --> 00:30:09,608 Oh, what are you doing in town? 483 00:30:09,675 --> 00:30:11,110 Basketball tournament. 484 00:30:11,177 --> 00:30:14,180 Us against the Guyanese nationals. 485 00:30:14,246 --> 00:30:15,714 LEO: How's it going? 486 00:30:15,781 --> 00:30:18,617 Well, sir, they kicked our butts good the first two games. 487 00:30:18,684 --> 00:30:20,887 We're looking for a little revenge. 488 00:30:20,953 --> 00:30:23,622 Well, let me know if you could use an extra pair of hands. 489 00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:25,791 I can't dunk, but you know us politicians, 490 00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:30,129 we pass things really well like basketballs and the buck. (LAUGHING) 491 00:30:30,196 --> 00:30:33,565 Congressman, you can't just come in here as you please. 492 00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:36,102 Lighten up, Sharon. The man's just trying to be friendly. 493 00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:37,803 Mind if I ask you a couple of questions? 494 00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:40,206 Like, do you like it there? Jonestown, I mean. 495 00:30:40,272 --> 00:30:41,473 How is it? 496 00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:43,042 Your father wants to talk to you. 497 00:30:47,914 --> 00:30:49,515 Well, good luck, Stephan. 498 00:30:49,581 --> 00:30:51,183 With the game, I mean. 499 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:56,088 You're gonna have to leave now, Mr. Ryan. 500 00:30:56,155 --> 00:30:57,990 This is private property. 501 00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:05,131 Okay, it was nice meeting you. 502 00:31:05,197 --> 00:31:07,266 I'll be seeing you again. Bye-bye. 503 00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:18,344 JONES: There was a point at which my father sent orders, 504 00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:20,312 funneled through the radio room. 505 00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:23,015 Everything came through there and Sharon Amos, 506 00:31:23,082 --> 00:31:25,117 that we were to return to Jonestown. 507 00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:27,319 The basketball team was ordered to come back. 508 00:31:27,386 --> 00:31:29,555 JIM: I want you to come home. 509 00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:31,090 Why? 510 00:31:31,157 --> 00:31:34,860 Why? You're needed here is why. 511 00:31:34,927 --> 00:31:36,929 McElvane's coming back first thing in the morning. 512 00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:38,965 I want you to be on the truck with him, 513 00:31:39,031 --> 00:31:41,067 the whole damn bunch of you. 514 00:31:41,133 --> 00:31:45,171 STEPHAN: Look. You said it yourself, we're good PR, Dad. 515 00:31:47,173 --> 00:31:48,707 That's all there is to it. 516 00:31:48,774 --> 00:31:50,809 We're having a good time, we're playing basketball. 517 00:31:52,778 --> 00:31:54,113 You talk to him. 518 00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:57,049 Talk to him. 519 00:31:57,116 --> 00:31:59,785 MARCELINE: Stephan? I think you'd better come back. 520 00:32:01,087 --> 00:32:03,155 You don't know what's happening here, Stephan. 521 00:32:03,222 --> 00:32:05,324 We really need you. 522 00:32:05,391 --> 00:32:07,426 We're staying, Mom. 523 00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:10,462 We got a game against the national team tomorrow. 524 00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:12,965 How's it gonna look if we just hightail it outta here? 525 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,769 Besides, you don't need to speak for him. 526 00:32:17,836 --> 00:32:19,438 (GRUNTING) 527 00:32:19,505 --> 00:32:21,840 Well, it's up to you. 528 00:32:21,907 --> 00:32:24,743 (GRUNTING) No! It is not up to him! 529 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:27,146 I do not want him having anything to do 530 00:32:27,213 --> 00:32:29,515 with that congressman or with the relatives. 531 00:32:29,581 --> 00:32:32,718 I want him back here now. 532 00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:36,422 You don't give a damn what happens here! 533 00:32:36,488 --> 00:32:40,292 JONES: I knew, had known for a long time my father was nuts. 534 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:43,929 I'm one that believes he was... 535 00:32:43,996 --> 00:32:46,632 He was sick from very early on. 536 00:32:46,698 --> 00:32:49,035 By the time the congressman came, 537 00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:50,569 he only had a few more months 538 00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:52,371 at the rate he was going, with his drug use. 539 00:32:52,438 --> 00:32:55,041 He was just slowly killing himself on drugs. 540 00:32:55,107 --> 00:32:56,708 (BREATHING HEAVILY) 541 00:32:58,944 --> 00:33:01,780 Who do you think is keeping this place together? 542 00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:06,185 I am! 543 00:33:06,252 --> 00:33:09,255 I am keeping this goddamn place together. 544 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:10,689 That boy! 545 00:33:10,756 --> 00:33:13,659 JONES: I know I sent him closer to the edge 546 00:33:13,725 --> 00:33:15,994 by refusing to come back at that time. 547 00:33:19,798 --> 00:33:23,435 There was no denying that he was losing control. 548 00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:25,437 And to a man like my father, 549 00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:28,940 it must have been like he was sinking in quicksand, 550 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:30,542 grabbing at nothing. 551 00:33:32,111 --> 00:33:33,212 (WHIMPERING) 552 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:47,893 NARRATOR: Jim Jones summoned Peoples Temple lawyer, Charles Garry, 553 00:33:47,959 --> 00:33:50,996 to handle Congressman Ryan's visit to Jonestown. 554 00:33:51,063 --> 00:33:55,101 But Jones suddenly reversed course and denied entry. 555 00:33:55,167 --> 00:33:57,369 What do you mean we're not going to Jonestown? 556 00:34:00,439 --> 00:34:02,308 The only goddamn reason I came here 557 00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:04,543 is to take Ryan to Jonestown. 558 00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:06,512 Who the hell changed it, Sharon, you? 559 00:34:06,578 --> 00:34:08,580 Jim did, all right? 560 00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:13,519 It was Ryan's fault anyway, coming in like he did. 561 00:34:13,585 --> 00:34:15,654 CHARLES: It's a whole lot of crap. 562 00:34:15,721 --> 00:34:17,956 It was Jim's decision to cancel the visit. 563 00:34:18,023 --> 00:34:19,491 You know I've had it with you people. 564 00:34:19,558 --> 00:34:20,926 There's a plane going back to Miami at 1:00 p.m. 565 00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:22,394 I'm going to be on it. 566 00:34:22,461 --> 00:34:23,662 You hear me? 567 00:34:27,633 --> 00:34:28,900 Listen to me, Jim. 568 00:34:28,967 --> 00:34:30,802 I'm a righteous man. 569 00:34:31,870 --> 00:34:33,805 We are a righteous people 570 00:34:33,872 --> 00:34:36,375 and these traitors, 571 00:34:36,442 --> 00:34:39,077 they've come to destroy what we've... (SIGHS) 572 00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:42,047 CHARLES: Jesus! 573 00:34:42,114 --> 00:34:43,382 We cannot allow them. 574 00:34:43,449 --> 00:34:45,484 They want to steal our children. 575 00:34:46,218 --> 00:34:47,253 Jim... 576 00:34:47,319 --> 00:34:50,656 They been after me so long, 577 00:34:50,722 --> 00:34:53,091 so long, so long. 578 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,994 Jim, cut it. 579 00:34:56,061 --> 00:34:57,496 Now what I'm gonna say is very simple. 580 00:34:57,563 --> 00:34:59,631 You've got two alternatives. 581 00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:01,933 Now the first is you can tell the Congress of the United States 582 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,535 to go to hell. 583 00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:05,671 You can tell the media to go to hell, 584 00:35:05,737 --> 00:35:09,408 which is what you've been doing all along over my objections. 585 00:35:09,475 --> 00:35:12,010 You can tell the concerned relatives to go to hell, 586 00:35:12,077 --> 00:35:15,314 but if you do that, I cannot live with it. 587 00:35:15,381 --> 00:35:17,183 It's the end of the line. 588 00:35:17,249 --> 00:35:18,350 I won't be with you. 589 00:35:20,286 --> 00:35:22,154 Now the second alternative is 590 00:35:22,221 --> 00:35:24,323 what I've been urging you to do all along. 591 00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:28,294 You can let the media in, 592 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,296 you can let the congressman in, 593 00:35:30,362 --> 00:35:32,864 you can let the concerned relatives in 594 00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:35,133 and you can let them see for themselves 595 00:35:35,201 --> 00:35:37,269 what a beautiful place we have there. 596 00:35:46,512 --> 00:35:47,713 Come down then. 597 00:35:47,779 --> 00:35:50,416 I don't know what I'm going to do. 598 00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:51,617 Just come down. 599 00:36:00,592 --> 00:36:05,030 REITERMAN: Finally, we got word after negotiations 600 00:36:05,096 --> 00:36:09,301 between the Congressman and the Peoples Temple's lawyers 601 00:36:09,368 --> 00:36:12,804 and Jones that we would be allowed 602 00:36:12,871 --> 00:36:14,440 to head into Jonestown. 603 00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:18,477 (SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 604 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:26,752 The preparation for Jonestown before Ryan's visit was 605 00:36:26,818 --> 00:36:29,788 just like the mayor was visiting 606 00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:31,723 or the congressman was visiting. 607 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:35,561 You'd paint the house, you'd spruce up the plants, you'd weed. 608 00:36:35,627 --> 00:36:38,464 Everything would be in A number one condition 609 00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:40,732 to make a positive impression. 610 00:36:41,967 --> 00:36:43,769 (INDISTINCT ANNOUNCEMENT OVER PA) 611 00:36:47,273 --> 00:36:48,774 GOSNEY: We had a lot of rehearsal 612 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,109 about what to say to these people if they came in. 613 00:36:51,176 --> 00:36:53,279 We were rehearsed over and over 614 00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:55,013 and over and over again. 615 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,048 JIM: How long would you like to stay? 616 00:36:57,115 --> 00:36:58,950 Forever. 617 00:36:59,017 --> 00:37:00,852 You just can't imagine that 618 00:37:00,919 --> 00:37:05,056 all the hundreds of us here are so extremely happy. 619 00:37:05,123 --> 00:37:07,158 And I love it here. Nobody to bother me. 620 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:09,695 I'm free and I love everything about it. 621 00:37:11,863 --> 00:37:13,164 Now you, you tell me. 622 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:14,933 Those big buildings out there, what are they? 623 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,067 Cottages. 624 00:37:16,134 --> 00:37:17,836 And how many people would you say on average 625 00:37:17,903 --> 00:37:19,271 -lives in a house? -Four or five. 626 00:37:19,338 --> 00:37:20,772 Two couples to a house. 627 00:37:20,839 --> 00:37:23,275 No, no, no. I wouldn't say that. 628 00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:24,743 I'd say four or five. 629 00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:26,545 Just don't you go into that. 630 00:37:26,612 --> 00:37:28,146 Pass. 631 00:37:28,213 --> 00:37:30,115 What do you find is wrong with this place? 632 00:37:30,181 --> 00:37:32,183 Oh, I don't find anything wrong. 633 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:33,685 I've had more opportunities here 634 00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:35,120 than, uh, any other... 635 00:37:35,186 --> 00:37:36,888 Than I ever had in the States. 636 00:37:36,955 --> 00:37:39,358 And how do you feel about the USA? 637 00:37:39,425 --> 00:37:41,226 Oh, I feel it's all right, 638 00:37:41,293 --> 00:37:42,494 for those who want to be there. 639 00:37:42,561 --> 00:37:44,430 That's very good. 640 00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:46,932 We don't want to say we're pro-Soviet or that we're against America. 641 00:37:46,998 --> 00:37:50,969 -You got that? Pass. -I got it. 642 00:37:51,036 --> 00:37:54,473 Monica, when you refer to Jonestown, how do you refer to it? 643 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:57,543 As a, uh, a very nice place. 644 00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:01,212 GOSNEY: There was always an atmosphere of us versus them. 645 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:03,782 Jones mentioned that Congressman Ryan was coming, 646 00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:05,551 concerned relatives were coming, 647 00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:09,755 journalists, who were evil incarnate, were coming 648 00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:11,557 and they were coming to destroy us. 649 00:38:14,025 --> 00:38:16,261 MONICA: Uh, people get along, 650 00:38:16,328 --> 00:38:19,565 white and black together and, uh... 651 00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:22,934 JIM: Look. I'd just say it's a community. 652 00:38:23,001 --> 00:38:25,737 Jonestown, it's a community. 653 00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:27,706 All right, pass. 654 00:38:27,773 --> 00:38:30,709 GOSNEY: The survival of the community rested upon 655 00:38:30,776 --> 00:38:33,244 a good report from these people 656 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:37,048 coming and leaving without incident 657 00:38:37,115 --> 00:38:40,886 and giving wonderful reports on Jonestown. 658 00:38:44,523 --> 00:38:47,426 What are common complaints you hear in the community? 659 00:38:49,928 --> 00:38:52,531 I don't hear any complaints, 660 00:38:52,598 --> 00:38:56,368 only praises of our being able to live here in Guyana. 661 00:38:56,435 --> 00:39:01,039 Uh, my son's here with me and I appreciate being here. 662 00:39:01,106 --> 00:39:02,574 I enjoy it here. 663 00:39:02,641 --> 00:39:05,677 Uh, I've had... I've had many more opportunities for learning trades 664 00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:08,313 than I have in my whole... In my entire lifetime. 665 00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:12,584 What are some of the complaints you hear 666 00:39:12,651 --> 00:39:14,520 against the community, against the Temple? 667 00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:18,990 I don't hear any complaints. 668 00:39:19,057 --> 00:39:22,561 The only thing I hear is how much people love it here. 669 00:39:22,628 --> 00:39:24,362 Everybody says this is the best thing 670 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:26,297 that's ever happened to them in their whole lives. 671 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:28,099 How about you? 672 00:39:28,166 --> 00:39:29,635 Is it the best thing that ever happened to you? 673 00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:32,638 The very best, I really appreciate being here. 674 00:39:32,704 --> 00:39:33,905 I enjoy it. 675 00:39:36,141 --> 00:39:37,576 That's right. 676 00:39:37,643 --> 00:39:39,277 Thank you. 677 00:39:39,344 --> 00:39:40,479 Thank you. 678 00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:48,920 SHERWIN: Liane's coming here? 679 00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:51,590 No, no. That's fine. 680 00:39:51,657 --> 00:39:54,292 I don't need to go to Jonestown. 681 00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:57,362 No, if she's coming here, then I'll just stay here. 682 00:39:58,163 --> 00:39:59,931 Okay. 683 00:39:59,998 --> 00:40:01,567 Lunch is... 684 00:40:01,633 --> 00:40:04,736 Lunch, dinner, I really don't care. 685 00:40:04,803 --> 00:40:07,338 -Oh, hold on. Hold on. -(CLATTERING) 686 00:40:08,139 --> 00:40:09,541 One second. 687 00:40:11,209 --> 00:40:12,811 Okay, go ahead. 688 00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:20,251 "Lamaha Gardens." 689 00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:23,388 Good. 690 00:40:24,856 --> 00:40:26,658 No, no. I'll find it. 691 00:40:28,126 --> 00:40:29,761 Yes. Okay. 692 00:40:30,596 --> 00:40:31,963 And, Linda. 693 00:40:32,731 --> 00:40:33,899 Sharon. 694 00:40:34,866 --> 00:40:36,201 Thank you. 695 00:40:37,636 --> 00:40:38,737 Bye. 696 00:40:44,009 --> 00:40:45,210 (SIGHS) 697 00:40:48,346 --> 00:40:49,881 HARRIS: When I got that information 698 00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:53,418 that my daughter was gonna come down on Saturday, 699 00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:56,888 there was no reason in my mind to, at that point, 700 00:40:56,955 --> 00:40:58,056 to go to Jonestown. 701 00:40:58,123 --> 00:40:59,991 Now, if it turned out I was being lied to 702 00:41:00,058 --> 00:41:01,960 and she didn't show up on Saturday, 703 00:41:02,027 --> 00:41:03,094 I'm going to Jonestown. 704 00:41:03,161 --> 00:41:04,963 I'm going wherever I need to go. 705 00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:06,464 I'm gonna find my daughter. 706 00:41:16,074 --> 00:41:17,876 NARRATOR: Congressman Ryan chartered a plane 707 00:41:17,943 --> 00:41:20,846 to transport relatives and journalists to Jonestown. 708 00:41:20,912 --> 00:41:22,480 Okay, folks. The plane's ready. 709 00:41:22,548 --> 00:41:26,251 More than 150 miles deep into the jungle. 710 00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:28,453 JIM: He says the Constitution... 711 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,988 The Constitution gives him the right 712 00:41:30,055 --> 00:41:32,323 to come down here and see us 713 00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:34,159 because we are American taxpayers. 714 00:41:34,225 --> 00:41:36,261 Well, I say the Constitution does not give him the right to go 715 00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:38,564 wherever he is not invited! 716 00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:40,265 (CROWD CHEERING) 717 00:41:46,672 --> 00:41:48,039 I mean, what are we gonna say to him? 718 00:41:48,106 --> 00:41:49,975 What are we gonna say to him anyway? 719 00:41:50,041 --> 00:41:51,910 You can't win, I'm telling you, with this kind of a prick. 720 00:41:51,977 --> 00:41:53,579 You cannot win! 721 00:41:57,649 --> 00:42:00,752 Oh, he treated our children all nice. 722 00:42:00,819 --> 00:42:02,721 He come tripping into our house 723 00:42:02,788 --> 00:42:05,056 like he owned it, telling Sharon Amos, 724 00:42:05,123 --> 00:42:07,025 "I've heard a lot of dirty things about you." 725 00:42:07,092 --> 00:42:08,860 (CROWD CHEERING) 726 00:42:08,927 --> 00:42:11,429 Well, I said, "You tell him. 727 00:42:11,496 --> 00:42:14,700 "You tell him to go to hell! 728 00:42:14,766 --> 00:42:18,536 "And, and, and, and, and to get lost!" 729 00:42:23,074 --> 00:42:24,776 You know what? 730 00:42:24,843 --> 00:42:28,246 We don't have to tell him anything anyway. 731 00:42:28,313 --> 00:42:30,348 We don't have to tell him anything. 732 00:42:30,415 --> 00:42:31,449 And you know what? 733 00:42:31,516 --> 00:42:32,718 I don't know how long he's gonna stay, 734 00:42:32,784 --> 00:42:35,120 but I can assure you, 735 00:42:35,186 --> 00:42:38,389 if he stays long enough for tea, 736 00:42:39,124 --> 00:42:40,926 he's gonna regret it. 737 00:42:40,992 --> 00:42:42,427 CROWD: Yeah! 738 00:42:52,403 --> 00:42:54,405 Know that you have never, 739 00:42:56,608 --> 00:43:00,812 never been loved so much as I love you right now. 740 00:43:01,479 --> 00:43:02,614 Amen! 741 00:43:02,681 --> 00:43:03,949 CROWD: Amen! 742 00:43:04,750 --> 00:43:05,884 I love you. 743 00:43:05,951 --> 00:43:07,953 CROWD: We love you, too! 744 00:43:13,124 --> 00:43:18,129 Monica, myself and my roommate did have a meeting 745 00:43:18,196 --> 00:43:20,165 about Ryan coming. 746 00:43:20,231 --> 00:43:24,002 The plan was I was going to slip the congressman a note 747 00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:26,738 asking for his help to leave. 748 00:43:28,173 --> 00:43:30,108 This is our chance. 749 00:43:30,175 --> 00:43:32,811 Monica? Keith? 750 00:43:38,183 --> 00:43:40,251 What about your son, Vern? 751 00:43:42,988 --> 00:43:45,691 If I tell him, he might report us. 752 00:43:45,757 --> 00:43:47,325 (SCRIBBLING) 753 00:43:47,392 --> 00:43:49,795 I wrote the note. 754 00:43:49,861 --> 00:43:51,997 "Vernon Gosney, Monica Bagby, 755 00:43:52,063 --> 00:43:53,865 "help us get out of Jonestown." 756 00:43:53,932 --> 00:43:55,633 That was the note. 757 00:43:58,837 --> 00:44:00,071 (SIGHS) 758 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:03,008 He's better off here anyway. 759 00:44:05,043 --> 00:44:08,714 I didn't know whether to take my son 760 00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:10,749 was the right thing to do or not. 761 00:44:11,182 --> 00:44:12,450 I, uh... 762 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,388 I wasn't thinking clearly. 763 00:44:23,561 --> 00:44:25,596 REITERMAN: When we flew over the jungle, 764 00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:31,803 it became pretty clear how remote and inaccessible Jonestown really was. 765 00:44:34,572 --> 00:44:37,242 NARRATOR: The plane touched down at an isolated airstrip 766 00:44:37,308 --> 00:44:42,113 more than five miles from Jonestown. 767 00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:47,452 REITERMAN: When we finally landed on a small dirt airstrip in Port Kaituma, 768 00:44:47,518 --> 00:44:48,887 it became clear 769 00:44:48,954 --> 00:44:51,089 how difficult it would have been 770 00:44:51,156 --> 00:44:53,658 for anyone to leave Jonestown. 771 00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:03,701 LEO: Okay, there is the truck. 772 00:45:05,303 --> 00:45:08,206 REITERMAN: When a truckload of Peoples Temple members 773 00:45:08,273 --> 00:45:10,341 pulled up with a flatbed, 774 00:45:10,408 --> 00:45:11,509 we expected 775 00:45:11,576 --> 00:45:14,045 that we'd be moving on quickly to Jonestown 776 00:45:14,112 --> 00:45:17,082 and started unpacking our gear. 777 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,389 Congressman Ryan? 778 00:45:26,391 --> 00:45:30,461 I'm Corporal Emil Rudder of the Guyanese Defence Force. 779 00:45:30,528 --> 00:45:32,463 Oh. Thank you very much for coming to meet us. 780 00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:35,834 Uh, I've been instructed to inform you that 781 00:45:35,901 --> 00:45:40,772 only Mr. Garry is to board the truck for Jonestown. 782 00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:43,975 Look, we're a congressional delegation. 783 00:45:44,042 --> 00:45:47,645 We're here to inquire into the health and welfare of the people of Jonestown. 784 00:45:47,712 --> 00:45:49,480 My instructions are clear. 785 00:45:49,547 --> 00:45:51,349 Well, who are you getting your instructions from? 786 00:45:51,416 --> 00:45:53,684 (SIGHS) Please return to the plane. 787 00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:57,155 Uh, Congressman Ryan and his assistant here can come with us. 788 00:45:57,222 --> 00:45:58,824 Uh, Mr. Garry, I was told... 789 00:45:58,890 --> 00:46:00,625 Never mind what you've been told. I'm telling you! 790 00:46:00,691 --> 00:46:01,759 If you catch any grief, 791 00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:03,328 I'll be right there. Congressman. 792 00:46:03,394 --> 00:46:04,462 And what about the others? 793 00:46:04,529 --> 00:46:06,832 (SIGHS) I'm working on it. 794 00:46:06,898 --> 00:46:08,266 Thank you. 795 00:46:10,368 --> 00:46:12,470 Don't try to come on your own. 796 00:46:21,646 --> 00:46:24,916 REITERMAN: Clearly, at that point we were not welcome. 797 00:46:24,983 --> 00:46:26,985 All we could do was wait. 798 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,190 Finally, within a few hours, 799 00:46:32,257 --> 00:46:34,792 the truck returned to the airstrip. 800 00:46:36,761 --> 00:46:39,197 Anybody that wants to come to Jonestown, climb on! 801 00:46:39,264 --> 00:46:41,166 And we were allowed to board it 802 00:46:41,232 --> 00:46:43,501 and we rode toward Jonestown 803 00:46:43,568 --> 00:46:46,204 with several members of the Temple. 804 00:46:47,205 --> 00:46:48,539 Let's go! 805 00:46:54,579 --> 00:46:56,915 REITERMAN: I think everyone recognized 806 00:46:56,982 --> 00:46:59,417 that there was a potential for danger. 807 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:11,229 We were entering a place 808 00:47:11,296 --> 00:47:16,334 where not only were we surrounded by miles of jungle, 809 00:47:16,401 --> 00:47:20,271 but we also were in the control 810 00:47:20,338 --> 00:47:23,074 of Jim Jones and his members. 811 00:47:24,009 --> 00:47:25,843 And as a practical matter, 812 00:47:25,911 --> 00:47:29,314 it would be hard to get out without their permission. 813 00:47:36,321 --> 00:47:37,622 CHILD 1: Look it! They just arrived! 814 00:47:37,688 --> 00:47:40,892 CHILD 1: Here! They're here! CHILD 2: Come on! 815 00:47:46,397 --> 00:47:50,668 When we pulled into Jonestown, my first impression was 816 00:47:50,735 --> 00:47:55,573 that this place had taken a tremendous amount of work to produce. 817 00:47:57,042 --> 00:48:00,611 To make something from scratch 818 00:48:00,678 --> 00:48:02,948 in the middle of nowhere 819 00:48:03,014 --> 00:48:04,115 was an impressive feat. 820 00:48:06,051 --> 00:48:08,987 WOMAN ON PA: Attention, attention, attention! 821 00:48:10,989 --> 00:48:12,823 The reporters are arriving. 822 00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:14,792 Some of them will want to take pictures, 823 00:48:14,859 --> 00:48:17,028 so anyone who doesn't want their picture taken 824 00:48:17,095 --> 00:48:19,164 will be excused. 825 00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:22,200 REITERMAN: There were hundreds of people 826 00:48:22,267 --> 00:48:23,969 around the pavilion 827 00:48:24,035 --> 00:48:26,537 and we were escorted there directly 828 00:48:26,604 --> 00:48:29,207 -to the Reverend Jim Jones. -(JOVIAL MUSIC PLAYING) 829 00:48:38,849 --> 00:48:41,252 CHARLES: Jim, the gentlemen of the press have arrived. 830 00:48:41,319 --> 00:48:44,022 This is Don Harris of NBC News. 831 00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:45,190 Nice to meet you. 832 00:48:45,256 --> 00:48:46,257 (CLEARS THROAT) 833 00:48:47,092 --> 00:48:49,360 Reverend Jones? Tim Reiterman. 834 00:48:50,595 --> 00:48:52,130 I've read many of your stories. 835 00:48:52,197 --> 00:48:55,666 I guess you can only print what they're telling you. 836 00:48:55,733 --> 00:48:57,768 TIM: Well, we've tried to get your side of the story, 837 00:48:57,835 --> 00:48:59,804 but haven't had much success. 838 00:48:59,870 --> 00:49:02,540 That's why I'm here, to see the mission for myself. 839 00:49:02,607 --> 00:49:08,446 Good. A lot of people have found it to be beautiful, a paradise. 840 00:49:08,513 --> 00:49:10,015 REITERMAN: He was very cordial, 841 00:49:10,081 --> 00:49:12,017 but it was still disturbing 842 00:49:12,083 --> 00:49:16,821 to see that he appeared weak. 843 00:49:16,887 --> 00:49:22,193 What really concerned me was the way he spoke. 844 00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:24,996 Mind if I ask you a couple of questions? 845 00:49:26,497 --> 00:49:29,434 Why did you decide to let us in now, 846 00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:32,303 a year after our first request? 847 00:49:34,072 --> 00:49:35,540 What have we got to lose? 848 00:49:35,606 --> 00:49:37,675 There is no barbed wire here. 849 00:49:37,742 --> 00:49:40,178 We don't have three, let alone 300 that want to leave. 850 00:49:40,245 --> 00:49:42,980 We're not violent. We don't do violence to anyone. 851 00:49:43,048 --> 00:49:45,116 Ageism, sexism, racism 852 00:49:45,183 --> 00:49:46,384 have all been eliminated. 853 00:49:46,451 --> 00:49:48,186 Elitism is almost eliminated. 854 00:49:48,253 --> 00:49:51,122 We are Marxist in the sense of sharing work 855 00:49:51,189 --> 00:49:54,925 and in the distribution of goods and services. 856 00:49:54,992 --> 00:49:58,163 What about the threats of mass suicide, Reverend? 857 00:49:59,430 --> 00:50:01,432 I only said that it will be better 858 00:50:01,499 --> 00:50:03,568 that we commit suicide than kill. 859 00:50:03,634 --> 00:50:06,037 (STAMMERING) Why hurt social progress? 860 00:50:06,104 --> 00:50:09,574 He started speaking in a paranoid fashion 861 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,109 about his enemies, 862 00:50:11,176 --> 00:50:13,078 and began to quietly 863 00:50:13,144 --> 00:50:15,380 sort of rant about them. 864 00:50:15,446 --> 00:50:17,115 (STAMMERING) I curse the day I was born. 865 00:50:17,182 --> 00:50:20,085 I don't know why these people hate me so. 866 00:50:20,151 --> 00:50:22,587 In some ways, I feel like, um... 867 00:50:24,055 --> 00:50:25,690 Well, like a dying man. 868 00:50:25,756 --> 00:50:28,593 You don't need to put a bullet in my head. 869 00:50:29,727 --> 00:50:31,462 Thank you. 870 00:50:31,529 --> 00:50:36,401 REITERMAN: It was disturbing to hear him sort of put a figurative gun 871 00:50:36,467 --> 00:50:38,103 in the hands of those of us 872 00:50:38,169 --> 00:50:41,239 who had come to Jonestown to visit. 873 00:50:41,306 --> 00:50:45,110 It was also disturbing to hear someone 874 00:50:45,176 --> 00:50:48,346 who had the lives of so many people in his hands 875 00:50:48,413 --> 00:50:49,914 speak that way. 876 00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:56,053 GOSNEY: The plan was I was going to slip the congressman a note 877 00:50:56,121 --> 00:50:57,988 asking for his help. 878 00:50:58,055 --> 00:50:59,824 In my state of mind, 879 00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:03,861 I didn't know who was who at that time yet. 880 00:51:03,928 --> 00:51:06,063 I see someone who I think is the congressman 881 00:51:06,131 --> 00:51:09,467 who is walking around the perimeter of the assembly. 882 00:51:11,068 --> 00:51:14,372 If I passed the note and it was unsuccessful, 883 00:51:14,439 --> 00:51:16,907 I knew I would be killed. 884 00:51:16,974 --> 00:51:18,743 There was no doubt about it. 885 00:51:18,809 --> 00:51:21,946 I would be... I would be killed. 886 00:51:53,444 --> 00:51:55,480 VERNON: You dropped this. 887 00:51:57,715 --> 00:51:59,350 He passed a note! 888 00:52:08,593 --> 00:52:11,262 McELVANE: What was that about, Vern? 889 00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:13,063 VERNON: It was nothing. (LAUGHS) 890 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:15,233 He dropped something and I picked it up for him, that's all. 891 00:52:21,939 --> 00:52:24,375 MARCELINE: And now, everyone, I'd like to introduce you 892 00:52:24,442 --> 00:52:26,844 to a very special guest. 893 00:52:26,911 --> 00:52:30,415 He has represented many of us who lived in his district 894 00:52:30,481 --> 00:52:31,949 back in California, 895 00:52:32,016 --> 00:52:34,685 and we'd like for you to say a few words to us. 896 00:52:34,752 --> 00:52:37,222 GOSNEY: It wasn't until later 897 00:52:37,288 --> 00:52:41,326 that I found out that that individual was not the congressman. 898 00:52:41,392 --> 00:52:42,860 Congressman Ryan. 899 00:52:42,927 --> 00:52:45,162 (CROWD CHEERING AND CLAPPING) 900 00:52:53,738 --> 00:52:54,739 Thank you, Marceline. 901 00:52:56,106 --> 00:52:58,209 I'm not used to making public speeches. 902 00:52:58,276 --> 00:53:00,211 (CROWD GROANING) 903 00:53:00,278 --> 00:53:02,347 Yeah, don't give me that here, I guess. 904 00:53:02,413 --> 00:53:04,615 I'm very glad to be here. 905 00:53:04,682 --> 00:53:06,317 I have already met a former student of mine. 906 00:53:06,384 --> 00:53:07,685 I've already met a former classmate 907 00:53:07,752 --> 00:53:09,186 of one of my daughters 908 00:53:09,254 --> 00:53:11,622 from Mills High School in Burlingame. 909 00:53:11,689 --> 00:53:13,691 This is a congressional inquiry. 910 00:53:13,758 --> 00:53:15,393 I think all of you know that I'm here to find out 911 00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:17,262 more about questions that have been raised 912 00:53:17,328 --> 00:53:19,096 about your operations here. 913 00:53:19,163 --> 00:53:22,099 But I can tell you right now that from the conversations 914 00:53:22,166 --> 00:53:24,802 I've had with some of the folks here already tonight, 915 00:53:24,869 --> 00:53:26,604 that no matter what the comments are, 916 00:53:26,671 --> 00:53:28,706 that there are some people here who believe 917 00:53:28,773 --> 00:53:30,875 that this is the best thing that's ever happened to them in their whole lives. 918 00:53:30,941 --> 00:53:33,010 (CROWD CHEERING AND CLAPPING) 919 00:53:50,995 --> 00:53:53,130 GOSNEY: After Ryan spoke, 920 00:53:53,197 --> 00:53:55,700 I was approached by Congressman Ryan. 921 00:53:58,436 --> 00:54:00,871 Is your name Vernon Gosney? 922 00:54:00,938 --> 00:54:03,541 Did you give this man a note asking to leave Jonestown? 923 00:54:03,608 --> 00:54:05,510 VERNON: Yes, sir. 924 00:54:05,576 --> 00:54:07,144 Then let me tell you, you've got seats 925 00:54:07,211 --> 00:54:09,213 on the first plane out of here tomorrow. 926 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,081 Congressman Ryan had no idea 927 00:54:11,148 --> 00:54:13,318 of what he had walked into, at all. 928 00:54:14,919 --> 00:54:18,489 I'm not sure we should wait till tomorrow, Congressman. 929 00:54:18,556 --> 00:54:20,358 LEO: We've got a lot of work to do here. 930 00:54:20,425 --> 00:54:22,627 You're in danger. You have to know that. 931 00:54:22,693 --> 00:54:23,894 We'll be fine. 932 00:54:23,961 --> 00:54:24,995 We're under the protection 933 00:54:25,062 --> 00:54:26,931 of the US Congress. 934 00:54:27,665 --> 00:54:28,699 Tomorrow. 935 00:54:31,669 --> 00:54:35,906 GOSNEY: And it was apparent after talking to him 936 00:54:35,973 --> 00:54:38,609 that he couldn't really conceive 937 00:54:38,676 --> 00:54:41,178 the level of danger that he was in. 938 00:54:55,626 --> 00:54:56,994 REITERMAN: On that Saturday, 939 00:54:57,695 --> 00:54:58,963 the last day... 940 00:54:59,029 --> 00:55:01,031 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATION) 941 00:55:01,098 --> 00:55:03,634 I wondered just how many other people 942 00:55:03,701 --> 00:55:05,302 might want to leave. 943 00:55:05,370 --> 00:55:06,737 The thing is, Ryan told me 944 00:55:06,804 --> 00:55:10,307 someone else aside from this Vern guy approached him. 945 00:55:10,375 --> 00:55:11,542 Wanting out? 946 00:55:11,609 --> 00:55:13,110 Yeah, exactly. 947 00:55:14,879 --> 00:55:18,215 MARCELINE: Morning! Sleep all right? 948 00:55:18,282 --> 00:55:21,486 Oh, that was the softest hardwood floor a man could ask for. 949 00:55:21,552 --> 00:55:22,553 (ALL LAUGHING) 950 00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:23,988 REITERMAN: Marceline Jones, 951 00:55:24,054 --> 00:55:27,057 who was Jim Jones' wife, 952 00:55:27,124 --> 00:55:30,395 took some of us throughout the encampment. 953 00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:34,231 This is my pride and joy, 954 00:55:34,298 --> 00:55:36,166 I don't mind saying. 955 00:55:36,233 --> 00:55:40,371 This is the first home to all 33 children born here in Jonestown. 956 00:55:45,610 --> 00:55:48,379 REITERMAN: Marceline Jones was clearly proud 957 00:55:48,446 --> 00:55:52,850 of everything that had been built in Jonestown. 958 00:55:52,917 --> 00:55:55,119 The school and the nursery, 959 00:55:55,185 --> 00:55:57,955 the clinic that provided healthcare for children 960 00:55:58,022 --> 00:56:00,525 that seemed to be 961 00:56:00,591 --> 00:56:03,528 what inspired her and sustained her. 962 00:56:03,594 --> 00:56:04,862 (INDISTINCT SPEECH) 963 00:56:04,929 --> 00:56:07,131 That's some pretty advanced reading. 964 00:56:07,197 --> 00:56:09,734 MARCELINE: Those are some pretty advanced kids. 965 00:56:10,801 --> 00:56:11,802 Hey. 966 00:56:13,070 --> 00:56:14,371 Well, hi. 967 00:56:14,439 --> 00:56:16,741 I'll take him from here, Vernon. 968 00:56:16,807 --> 00:56:20,611 I think you're needed back at the pavilion, aren't you? 969 00:56:25,916 --> 00:56:28,586 MARCELINE: We also have a large nursing staff. 970 00:56:28,653 --> 00:56:30,655 Of course we could always use more. 971 00:56:30,721 --> 00:56:34,258 There are almost 300 children here in Jonestown. 972 00:56:49,373 --> 00:56:50,374 DON: Tim. 973 00:56:51,976 --> 00:56:53,844 I'm cutting out. Something's going on. 974 00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:55,580 -Okay. -Come. 975 00:57:02,019 --> 00:57:06,123 Um, would you like to see the dispensary? 976 00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:07,692 Uh, excuse me. 977 00:57:10,995 --> 00:57:12,096 (WOMAN WHIMPERING) 978 00:57:12,162 --> 00:57:13,998 WOMAN: No. You bring those kids back here! 979 00:57:14,064 --> 00:57:15,099 Hold on for a second. 980 00:57:15,165 --> 00:57:17,702 You bring them back! 981 00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:19,737 Don't you touch my kids! 982 00:57:20,671 --> 00:57:22,406 REITERMAN: Within hours, 983 00:57:22,473 --> 00:57:24,475 um, it became clear 984 00:57:24,542 --> 00:57:29,013 that more than just two people who slipped the note to a reporter 985 00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:30,815 wanted to come out. 986 00:57:37,121 --> 00:57:39,223 There were some entire families 987 00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:40,457 who stepped forward 988 00:57:40,525 --> 00:57:42,727 and informed the congressman 989 00:57:42,793 --> 00:57:45,129 that they wanted to leave with us. 990 00:57:45,195 --> 00:57:47,865 I'm all right. I'm... I'm just gonna... 991 00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:51,468 Just say goodbye to someone. 992 00:57:51,536 --> 00:57:53,638 And the tension just radiated out 993 00:57:53,704 --> 00:57:58,075 from Jones and those groups of potential defectors. 994 00:57:58,142 --> 00:58:01,045 The whole place was paralyzed. 995 00:58:04,882 --> 00:58:08,919 Stay put. I'm gonna have a word with you later, all right? 996 00:58:08,986 --> 00:58:10,487 Hey, don't go anywhere right now. 997 00:58:10,555 --> 00:58:12,256 I wanna talk to you and ask you some questions. 998 00:58:13,223 --> 00:58:14,859 (BOTH WHISPERING) 999 00:58:17,361 --> 00:58:19,630 Why are you doing this? 1000 00:58:19,697 --> 00:58:21,131 Are you lovers? 1001 00:58:21,198 --> 00:58:22,700 No. No. 1002 00:58:22,767 --> 00:58:26,403 Because you can have a relationship here. 1003 00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:28,305 No. We're not lovers. 1004 00:58:28,372 --> 00:58:30,174 Don't you talk to any of the reporters, all right? 1005 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,009 They're liars. They're all liars. 1006 00:58:32,076 --> 00:58:33,510 You don't have to say anything. 1007 00:58:33,578 --> 00:58:34,745 Even the ones who lie, 1008 00:58:34,812 --> 00:58:37,481 they always come back. They always do. 1009 00:58:39,717 --> 00:58:41,719 Always have a place here. 1010 00:58:42,352 --> 00:58:44,254 All right? 1011 00:58:44,321 --> 00:58:45,790 GOSNEY: I signed a document 1012 00:58:45,856 --> 00:58:47,792 that I was leaving my son there 1013 00:58:47,858 --> 00:58:49,259 of my own free will. 1014 00:58:49,326 --> 00:58:50,795 I didn't know 1015 00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:54,331 if I was doing the right thing, 1016 00:58:54,398 --> 00:58:55,600 and... 1017 00:58:57,668 --> 00:58:59,103 I signed it. 1018 00:59:04,208 --> 00:59:06,410 How many you got, Congressman? 1019 00:59:08,979 --> 00:59:11,381 I think we're gonna need another plane. 1020 00:59:11,448 --> 00:59:12,783 REITERMAN: As time went on, 1021 00:59:12,850 --> 00:59:15,185 probably about a dozen people 1022 00:59:15,252 --> 00:59:16,453 had stepped forward 1023 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,989 and they were insistent on leaving. 1024 00:59:21,425 --> 00:59:23,761 My name is Monica Bagby. 1025 00:59:23,828 --> 00:59:26,931 I wish to leave Jonestown of my own free will 1026 00:59:26,997 --> 00:59:29,333 and return to the United States. 1027 00:59:30,267 --> 00:59:31,669 Is that it? 1028 00:59:32,837 --> 00:59:36,006 Um, my name is Vernon Gosney, 1029 00:59:36,506 --> 00:59:37,541 and I 1030 00:59:38,776 --> 00:59:42,579 wish to leave Jonestown of my own free will 1031 00:59:43,648 --> 00:59:46,751 and return to the United States. 1032 00:59:46,817 --> 00:59:48,786 GOSNEY: I was of a divided mind. 1033 00:59:48,853 --> 00:59:51,455 On one hand, I thought my son is black. 1034 00:59:51,521 --> 00:59:53,791 And he is going to be subject to the racism 1035 00:59:53,858 --> 00:59:56,927 of the United States government. 1036 00:59:56,994 --> 00:59:58,996 And I thought that 1037 00:59:59,063 --> 01:00:01,799 this was the better place for him to be. 1038 01:00:03,868 --> 01:00:06,236 I didn't know. I was confused. 1039 01:00:07,104 --> 01:00:09,006 What now? 1040 01:00:09,073 --> 01:00:11,709 Now, we pack up. Truck's leaving soon. 1041 01:00:13,644 --> 01:00:15,045 I don't think I ought to go alone. 1042 01:00:15,112 --> 01:00:16,681 I wouldn't either. 1043 01:00:16,747 --> 01:00:18,816 That lady said she'd go with me. 1044 01:00:18,883 --> 01:00:20,317 You ought to get someone, too. 1045 01:00:30,695 --> 01:00:32,329 GOSNEY: When the door swung open, 1046 01:00:32,396 --> 01:00:34,965 there was a number of security guards 1047 01:00:35,032 --> 01:00:36,967 within the cottage. 1048 01:00:37,034 --> 01:00:40,537 I was petrified. 1049 01:00:40,604 --> 01:00:43,908 I was in extreme fear and terror. 1050 01:01:03,928 --> 01:01:04,929 What you doing, Vern? 1051 01:01:05,963 --> 01:01:07,798 He's packing up. 1052 01:01:07,865 --> 01:01:09,399 What are you doing? 1053 01:01:11,568 --> 01:01:12,569 Go ahead, Vern. 1054 01:01:15,272 --> 01:01:16,907 Pack your things. 1055 01:01:55,913 --> 01:01:57,281 Thank you. 1056 01:01:58,916 --> 01:02:01,118 As the potential defectors 1057 01:02:01,185 --> 01:02:03,954 began gathering up their belongings, 1058 01:02:04,021 --> 01:02:07,792 -NBC conducted an interview... -Bob. 1059 01:02:07,858 --> 01:02:10,427 ...with Jim Jones in the pavilion. 1060 01:02:10,494 --> 01:02:12,930 Okay, Reverend. We're ready to go. 1061 01:02:15,132 --> 01:02:19,003 Well, you never accomplish what you set out. I'm a perfectionist. 1062 01:02:19,069 --> 01:02:22,172 I mean, we wanted to fade out of the whole arena of public attention, 1063 01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:24,141 but, obviously, we haven't because of lies. 1064 01:02:24,208 --> 01:02:28,612 I never... Never understood how people could lie 1065 01:02:28,678 --> 01:02:32,149 with such total freedom and conviction. 1066 01:02:32,216 --> 01:02:34,418 REITERMAN: As the interview went on, 1067 01:02:35,419 --> 01:02:37,121 Jones grew 1068 01:02:37,187 --> 01:02:39,389 more and more tense. 1069 01:02:39,456 --> 01:02:42,692 That's a lie. That's a lie. 1070 01:02:42,759 --> 01:02:45,529 Who... Who conspired to kill Dr. Martin Luther King? 1071 01:02:45,595 --> 01:02:48,098 Uh, Malcolm X? John Kennedy? 1072 01:02:48,165 --> 01:02:50,400 Every agency in the whole government 1073 01:02:50,467 --> 01:02:51,969 is giving us a hard time. 1074 01:02:52,036 --> 01:02:54,671 Somebody just doesn't like socialism. 1075 01:02:54,738 --> 01:02:57,174 REITERMAN: I think it was sinking in, 1076 01:02:57,241 --> 01:02:58,775 if it hadn't already, 1077 01:02:58,843 --> 01:03:02,913 that this visit was not going to play well 1078 01:03:02,980 --> 01:03:06,050 outside Jonestown. 1079 01:03:06,116 --> 01:03:09,486 DON: We've heard that security guards with guns 1080 01:03:09,553 --> 01:03:11,655 had gone around to the houses and warned people... 1081 01:03:11,721 --> 01:03:12,756 -No, no! -...not to cause trouble. 1082 01:03:12,823 --> 01:03:14,658 Nobody came to see people with guns! 1083 01:03:14,724 --> 01:03:16,726 I... I have strictly prohibited guns. 1084 01:03:16,793 --> 01:03:18,896 You don't have to shoot me. 1085 01:03:20,064 --> 01:03:22,032 'Cause the media smear does it. 1086 01:03:22,099 --> 01:03:25,169 I... I've given my life for people, 1087 01:03:27,071 --> 01:03:28,705 serving people. 1088 01:03:32,943 --> 01:03:34,945 Now, you people gonna just... 1089 01:03:36,146 --> 01:03:37,681 Just leave us. 1090 01:03:39,316 --> 01:03:42,819 I just beg you. Please just leave us. 1091 01:03:46,723 --> 01:03:49,093 I'm gonna go say goodbye to them. 1092 01:03:57,734 --> 01:03:59,103 -WOMAN: Traitors! -(PEOPLE PROTESTING) 1093 01:03:59,169 --> 01:04:00,404 MAN: Scum! 1094 01:04:00,470 --> 01:04:02,239 I hope they shoot the plane down! 1095 01:04:02,306 --> 01:04:04,441 GOSNEY: I met with my son briefly. 1096 01:04:05,375 --> 01:04:06,576 And... 1097 01:04:06,643 --> 01:04:08,812 I'll see you soon, okay? 1098 01:04:08,879 --> 01:04:10,247 Well, he wasn't of an age where I could tell him what was happening. 1099 01:04:10,314 --> 01:04:12,816 I just... I hugged him. (SIGHS) 1100 01:04:14,551 --> 01:04:16,353 I said goodbye to him, 1101 01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:19,589 and that was the last time that I saw him. 1102 01:04:19,656 --> 01:04:21,291 I, uh... 1103 01:04:26,330 --> 01:04:29,433 I don't know what else to say about that moment. 1104 01:04:53,924 --> 01:04:56,193 Come back anytime. 1105 01:04:56,260 --> 01:04:58,595 You'll always have a place here. 1106 01:04:58,662 --> 01:05:01,498 Come back anytime, visit your son. 1107 01:05:03,033 --> 01:05:04,601 -Okay? -Mmm-hmm. 1108 01:05:12,809 --> 01:05:14,511 Come back anytime. 1109 01:05:16,613 --> 01:05:18,315 You'll always be welcome here. 1110 01:05:33,463 --> 01:05:35,765 Reverend, can I just ask you? 1111 01:05:35,832 --> 01:05:39,836 Could I get your reaction on what's gone on here today? 1112 01:05:39,903 --> 01:05:42,172 Did you try to stop anyone from leaving? 1113 01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:43,740 No. 1114 01:05:43,807 --> 01:05:47,677 I feel sorry we're being destroyed from within. 1115 01:05:47,744 --> 01:05:51,148 All we want is to be left in peace. 1116 01:05:51,215 --> 01:05:53,317 REITERMAN: He looked somewhat broken, 1117 01:05:53,383 --> 01:05:57,054 and crestfallen but angry. 1118 01:05:57,121 --> 01:05:59,289 And what he was saying really 1119 01:05:59,356 --> 01:06:01,891 was that the defections 1120 01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:06,030 by some of his members were going to be the undoing 1121 01:06:06,096 --> 01:06:10,200 and the unmasking of Jim Jones and Peoples Temple, 1122 01:06:10,267 --> 01:06:13,137 and what was going on inside of Jonestown. 1123 01:06:18,775 --> 01:06:21,245 If we get out now, I can still make deadline. 1124 01:06:21,311 --> 01:06:22,812 Where's Ryan? 1125 01:06:22,879 --> 01:06:25,849 He's staying back to help with the rest of the defectors. 1126 01:06:25,915 --> 01:06:27,884 You mean, there's more? 1127 01:06:27,951 --> 01:06:29,886 Yeah, only he's not saying so. 1128 01:06:29,953 --> 01:06:31,555 Thanks. (GRUNTS) 1129 01:06:35,659 --> 01:06:37,694 TIM: Everybody, ready? 1130 01:06:37,761 --> 01:06:40,397 LEO: Jim, why are you so upset? 1131 01:06:40,464 --> 01:06:42,032 There are only 15 people 1132 01:06:42,099 --> 01:06:43,833 leaving out of nearly 1,000. 1133 01:06:44,268 --> 01:06:45,302 I mean, 1134 01:06:45,369 --> 01:06:47,271 if 400 people were leaving, 1135 01:06:47,337 --> 01:06:49,439 then I'd be worried. 1136 01:06:49,506 --> 01:06:51,275 Things were spiraling out of control. 1137 01:06:51,341 --> 01:06:53,677 There was a crack that had opened. 1138 01:06:53,743 --> 01:06:56,846 And the crack was continuing to open. 1139 01:06:56,913 --> 01:06:58,682 Jones was losing control 1140 01:06:58,748 --> 01:07:02,018 and the whole community, in my opinion, 1141 01:07:02,086 --> 01:07:04,888 was going to crack open completely. 1142 01:07:04,954 --> 01:07:06,856 It's only 15 people. 1143 01:07:08,092 --> 01:07:09,326 When I get back, 1144 01:07:09,393 --> 01:07:10,894 I'm gonna report to Congress 1145 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,897 that of the 60 people cited by the concerned relatives, 1146 01:07:13,963 --> 01:07:15,565 none of them wanted to leave! 1147 01:07:15,632 --> 01:07:18,068 They said they were completely happy. 1148 01:07:18,135 --> 01:07:19,369 LARRY: Wait! Wait! 1149 01:07:21,171 --> 01:07:23,173 Hey. Room for one more? 1150 01:07:25,242 --> 01:07:27,444 There's no way he's a defector. 1151 01:07:28,978 --> 01:07:29,979 -TIM: Come on. -(GRUNTS) 1152 01:07:32,749 --> 01:07:34,651 Why are you leaving? 1153 01:07:34,718 --> 01:07:36,520 I'll tell you later. 1154 01:07:36,586 --> 01:07:37,921 All right. 1155 01:07:47,097 --> 01:07:48,498 Jim, 1156 01:07:48,565 --> 01:07:50,700 this is a wonderful thing you've got going. 1157 01:07:50,767 --> 01:07:52,736 -(GASPS) -(ALL SCREAMING) 1158 01:08:01,445 --> 01:08:02,812 MAN: I will kill him! 1159 01:08:02,879 --> 01:08:03,880 (BOTH GRUNT) 1160 01:08:09,986 --> 01:08:11,355 (GRUNTING) 1161 01:08:15,024 --> 01:08:17,261 -Well... -It's not me. 1162 01:08:17,327 --> 01:08:21,498 I guess, um, this changes things, doesn't it? 1163 01:08:21,565 --> 01:08:22,899 (PANTING) 1164 01:08:24,934 --> 01:08:27,737 Some things, but not everything. 1165 01:08:31,508 --> 01:08:33,343 REITERMAN: That convinced the congressman 1166 01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:34,778 not to stay behind 1167 01:08:34,844 --> 01:08:37,381 and process any more defectors, 1168 01:08:37,447 --> 01:08:39,483 that he needed to leave with us 1169 01:08:39,549 --> 01:08:41,485 -on the truck. -LEO: Thanks. 1170 01:08:41,551 --> 01:08:42,719 (MARCELINE SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON PA) 1171 01:08:42,786 --> 01:08:45,255 Hey, you're bleeding, Congressman. 1172 01:08:45,322 --> 01:08:46,690 -It isn't mine. -MARCELINE: Attention, everyone! 1173 01:08:46,756 --> 01:08:48,392 What happened? 1174 01:08:48,458 --> 01:08:49,993 A minor disagreement. 1175 01:08:50,059 --> 01:08:52,662 REITERMAN: We were in serious danger. 1176 01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:53,830 Okay, let's roll! 1177 01:08:53,897 --> 01:08:55,565 Because the congressman 1178 01:08:55,632 --> 01:08:59,636 was in some ways our protector. 1179 01:08:59,703 --> 01:09:04,174 To see him with blood spattered on his shirt from his assailant 1180 01:09:04,241 --> 01:09:05,942 and all disheveled 1181 01:09:06,009 --> 01:09:09,613 showed just how precarious our situation was. 1182 01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:15,285 I think we wanted to move as quickly as possible down that dirt road 1183 01:09:15,352 --> 01:09:18,755 and get on a plane with the defectors. 1184 01:09:21,425 --> 01:09:23,393 GOSNEY: When that truck is pulling away, 1185 01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:25,695 I have no faith whatsoever 1186 01:09:25,762 --> 01:09:27,331 that we are ever gonna get out of there. 1187 01:09:37,774 --> 01:09:39,809 HARRIS: Saturday, November 18th, 1188 01:09:39,876 --> 01:09:42,178 I headed out to Temple headquarters 1189 01:09:42,246 --> 01:09:44,814 in Lamaha Gardens to see my daughter. 1190 01:09:47,684 --> 01:09:48,852 Liane. 1191 01:09:49,953 --> 01:09:51,221 Liane? 1192 01:09:51,288 --> 01:09:53,189 (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING) 1193 01:09:59,629 --> 01:10:01,498 -(CHUCKLES) Hi. -Hello. 1194 01:10:01,565 --> 01:10:03,900 -How are you doing? -Good. 1195 01:10:03,967 --> 01:10:05,669 HARRIS: When I first saw Liane, 1196 01:10:05,735 --> 01:10:07,704 it was like nothing was between us. 1197 01:10:07,771 --> 01:10:09,773 Come inside. We're just about to sit down. 1198 01:10:09,839 --> 01:10:12,942 We hugged, you know, and kissed and... 1199 01:10:13,009 --> 01:10:16,380 It was just, uh, it was just wonderful to see her. 1200 01:10:16,446 --> 01:10:18,882 I wish you could see the wonderful work, 1201 01:10:18,948 --> 01:10:20,417 the great work that we do. 1202 01:10:20,484 --> 01:10:23,487 You'd see there's nothing to be concerned about. 1203 01:10:23,553 --> 01:10:26,490 And I know she felt the same way to see me. 1204 01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:29,125 How long are you thinking of staying? 1205 01:10:30,226 --> 01:10:31,728 A couple of weeks. 1206 01:10:31,795 --> 01:10:34,798 Maybe even a month. We could tour around. 1207 01:10:34,864 --> 01:10:36,866 You could show me things. 1208 01:10:39,403 --> 01:10:42,739 Why don't you two sit down to dinner? 1209 01:10:42,806 --> 01:10:45,275 Everything's in the kitchen. 1210 01:10:45,342 --> 01:10:46,410 I won't be a minute. 1211 01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:55,585 It is so good to see you, Liane. 1212 01:10:57,220 --> 01:10:58,688 It's been hard. 1213 01:11:00,490 --> 01:11:02,859 And I... I... 1214 01:11:02,926 --> 01:11:05,562 I just wanna get to know you again, 1215 01:11:05,629 --> 01:11:07,063 and you me. 1216 01:11:07,797 --> 01:11:09,065 Would that be... 1217 01:11:09,132 --> 01:11:11,134 Would that be all right? 1218 01:11:13,537 --> 01:11:16,072 You must be hungry. (LAUGHS) Come on. 1219 01:11:16,139 --> 01:11:17,807 (RADIO FEEDBACK) 1220 01:11:29,619 --> 01:11:31,421 JIM: (ON RADIO) Please. 1221 01:11:31,488 --> 01:11:34,223 Please take care of everyone there. 1222 01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:35,792 Everyone, Jim? 1223 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,562 Everybody. 1224 01:11:39,596 --> 01:11:43,099 Georgetown, everybody. 1225 01:11:45,001 --> 01:11:47,203 Relatives, too. 1226 01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:48,605 Just take revenge. 1227 01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:57,213 I'll have to tell the others. 1228 01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,848 JONES: Things were going bad. 1229 01:11:58,915 --> 01:12:00,484 We'd been ordered to get revenge. 1230 01:12:00,550 --> 01:12:04,220 Revenge meant go out and kill people. 1231 01:12:04,287 --> 01:12:06,022 Concerned relatives first, 1232 01:12:06,089 --> 01:12:08,525 maybe members of the Congressman's party, 1233 01:12:08,592 --> 01:12:10,894 but those who had turned against us 1234 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,397 would have been considered the worst enemies. 1235 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,968 It just took one spark. 1236 01:12:19,703 --> 01:12:21,805 It's time. It's time. 1237 01:12:21,871 --> 01:12:25,241 One thread of insanity to unravel the whole works. 1238 01:12:27,143 --> 01:12:28,712 (SIREN WAILING) 1239 01:12:33,683 --> 01:12:36,319 White Night. White Night. 1240 01:12:38,054 --> 01:12:41,157 Everybody report to the pavilion immediately. 1241 01:12:41,891 --> 01:12:43,292 White Night. 1242 01:12:44,394 --> 01:12:45,729 White Night. 1243 01:12:45,795 --> 01:12:48,197 Everybody report to the pavilion immediately. 1244 01:12:48,264 --> 01:12:49,666 White Night. 1245 01:13:10,386 --> 01:13:11,455 SHERWIN: It was heavy. 1246 01:13:11,521 --> 01:13:13,289 So I'm pulling and I'm pulling. 1247 01:13:13,356 --> 01:13:15,224 I'm reeling it in. 1248 01:13:15,291 --> 01:13:17,293 And finally, I yank it up. 1249 01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,361 It's a tire. 1250 01:13:18,428 --> 01:13:19,796 -Oh. -(ALL LAUGHING) 1251 01:13:19,863 --> 01:13:22,398 I caught a tire. (LAUGHS) Just like in the movies. 1252 01:13:22,466 --> 01:13:24,934 And here I am, Buster Keaton looking at it. 1253 01:13:25,869 --> 01:13:29,773 Liane? There's a call for you. 1254 01:13:37,981 --> 01:13:39,282 JONES: We had just gotten the message 1255 01:13:39,348 --> 01:13:40,784 and Liane came down. 1256 01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:42,418 Liane was having dinner with her father. 1257 01:13:42,486 --> 01:13:44,988 And Liane was told by Sharon. 1258 01:13:53,329 --> 01:13:54,698 Uh, Liane. 1259 01:13:58,468 --> 01:14:00,704 The order's just come through. 1260 01:14:02,872 --> 01:14:04,407 We have to die. 1261 01:14:07,343 --> 01:14:08,678 Okay. 1262 01:14:08,745 --> 01:14:11,948 JONES: She very calmly took the news 1263 01:14:12,015 --> 01:14:15,585 and I was just struck by that. 1264 01:14:15,652 --> 01:14:17,286 Oh, this is really real 1265 01:14:17,353 --> 01:14:20,790 and... And how surreal that was. 1266 01:14:20,857 --> 01:14:22,391 LIANE: Should I go back to dinner? 1267 01:14:24,193 --> 01:14:27,030 You'd better have him leave, your father. 1268 01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:34,838 This is a 21-year-old girl 1269 01:14:34,904 --> 01:14:36,472 who has just been told, 1270 01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:38,007 "End the dinner with your father 1271 01:14:38,074 --> 01:14:41,010 "because we're gonna have to kill ourselves," in so many words. 1272 01:14:41,811 --> 01:14:43,012 And I was just... 1273 01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:47,450 I was overwhelmed with fear at that point. 1274 01:14:47,517 --> 01:14:49,218 Just dread and fear 1275 01:14:49,285 --> 01:14:51,988 of what must be going down at Jonestown. 1276 01:14:54,157 --> 01:14:56,059 NARRATOR: A large shipment of the liquid poison 1277 01:14:56,125 --> 01:14:57,927 potassium cyanide 1278 01:14:57,994 --> 01:15:00,029 had been delivered earlier to Jonestown. 1279 01:15:01,264 --> 01:15:02,632 The cyanide was now 1280 01:15:02,699 --> 01:15:04,701 mixed with sedatives and tranquilizers 1281 01:15:04,768 --> 01:15:07,303 and added to a fruit-flavored drink. 1282 01:15:09,906 --> 01:15:12,108 JONES: I think that for Dad 1283 01:15:12,175 --> 01:15:14,944 to have just gone and found a room somewhere 1284 01:15:15,011 --> 01:15:16,445 and shot himself. 1285 01:15:16,512 --> 01:15:18,081 One, 1286 01:15:18,147 --> 01:15:21,050 I don't think he was capable of shooting himself. 1287 01:15:21,117 --> 01:15:24,020 Two, I don't think he could bear to go alone. 1288 01:15:24,087 --> 01:15:26,956 His view of existence was so bleak 1289 01:15:27,023 --> 01:15:30,459 that he thought it was best for everyone to check out. 1290 01:15:35,131 --> 01:15:37,466 A handful of people with their lies 1291 01:15:37,533 --> 01:15:39,468 have made our life impossible. 1292 01:15:41,370 --> 01:15:43,873 And we are sitting on a powder keg here. 1293 01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:45,341 And I don't think that 1294 01:15:45,408 --> 01:15:48,177 this is what we want to do with our babies, you know. 1295 01:15:55,852 --> 01:15:57,721 It has been said 1296 01:15:57,787 --> 01:16:01,825 by the greatest of prophets from time immemorial, 1297 01:16:01,891 --> 01:16:06,062 no man may take my life from me, 1298 01:16:06,129 --> 01:16:07,631 but I lay my life down. 1299 01:16:07,697 --> 01:16:09,265 (ALL CHEERING) 1300 01:16:22,912 --> 01:16:25,048 We have been betrayed and... 1301 01:16:26,182 --> 01:16:28,918 We have been so horribly betrayed. 1302 01:16:28,985 --> 01:16:30,820 Now, now, here's what's gonna happen 1303 01:16:30,887 --> 01:16:32,756 in a matter of a few minutes 1304 01:16:32,822 --> 01:16:34,423 is that one of the people 1305 01:16:34,490 --> 01:16:36,492 on the plane is gonna... 1306 01:16:37,961 --> 01:16:40,129 Is gonna shoot the pilot. 1307 01:16:41,831 --> 01:16:44,600 And down comes the plane into the jungle. 1308 01:16:44,668 --> 01:16:47,536 And we had better not have any of our children left 1309 01:16:47,603 --> 01:16:48,838 when it is over, 1310 01:16:48,905 --> 01:16:51,540 because they will parachute in here on us. 1311 01:16:58,848 --> 01:17:02,551 GOSNEY: When we got to the airstrip, 1312 01:17:02,618 --> 01:17:07,090 I still had this feeling of impending doom, 1313 01:17:07,156 --> 01:17:09,492 that something was gonna happen. 1314 01:17:14,163 --> 01:17:16,299 REITERMAN: As people were boarding, 1315 01:17:16,365 --> 01:17:19,302 a tractor-load of men 1316 01:17:19,368 --> 01:17:21,004 returned to the airstrip. 1317 01:17:21,070 --> 01:17:23,873 It was clear to me that there was no real reason 1318 01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:25,641 for them to be coming back. 1319 01:17:25,709 --> 01:17:28,211 There might well be trouble. 1320 01:17:28,277 --> 01:17:30,513 GOSNEY: It was decided that Monica and myself 1321 01:17:30,579 --> 01:17:32,215 were gonna go onto the small plane, 1322 01:17:32,281 --> 01:17:34,984 so that plane was boarded first. 1323 01:17:35,051 --> 01:17:36,419 LEO: Sorry about this, folks. 1324 01:17:36,485 --> 01:17:38,621 -I'm sorry, but let's get safe. -Turn. 1325 01:17:38,688 --> 01:17:40,156 Get on the plane. 1326 01:17:40,223 --> 01:17:44,360 We wanted to make sure that nobody was getting on 1327 01:17:44,427 --> 01:17:47,496 either of these two planes with weapons 1328 01:17:47,563 --> 01:17:51,400 because we didn't really know whether the defectors 1329 01:17:51,467 --> 01:17:53,236 in fact were defectors. 1330 01:18:03,212 --> 01:18:05,681 Hey, Congressman, I didn't search him. 1331 01:18:05,749 --> 01:18:08,651 Uh, excuse me. Excuse me. Uh, just a moment, please. 1332 01:18:08,718 --> 01:18:11,054 Uh, what's your name? 1333 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,756 LARRY: Larry... Larry Layton. LEO: Larry Layton. 1334 01:18:14,523 --> 01:18:15,558 Everybody, okay? 1335 01:18:15,624 --> 01:18:17,226 He shouldn't have been allowed to come with. 1336 01:18:17,293 --> 01:18:18,561 Someone said he might have a gun. 1337 01:18:18,627 --> 01:18:20,429 Ryan's checking him. All right? 1338 01:18:24,834 --> 01:18:27,270 He's not gonna let us leave here. 1339 01:18:27,336 --> 01:18:28,972 Jones, I mean. 1340 01:18:29,038 --> 01:18:31,808 No, we'll be in the air in five minutes. 1341 01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:35,979 Thank you. Have a good flight. 1342 01:18:43,352 --> 01:18:44,720 When do I pick you up tomorrow? 1343 01:18:44,788 --> 01:18:47,123 -Tomorrow? -Yeah. 1344 01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:49,458 -Ah. (LAUGHS) -(LAUGHS) 1345 01:18:49,525 --> 01:18:50,860 Whenever you like. 1346 01:18:50,927 --> 01:18:53,129 I like 7:00 in the morning. 1347 01:18:53,596 --> 01:18:54,998 Okay. 1348 01:18:55,064 --> 01:18:57,333 -Good. Liane. -Okay. 1349 01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,368 This is bullshit, man! 1350 01:19:01,170 --> 01:19:02,405 JONES: I needed to get away from it. 1351 01:19:02,471 --> 01:19:04,740 I needed to find out more information, 1352 01:19:04,808 --> 01:19:06,709 maybe gather ourselves. 1353 01:19:08,677 --> 01:19:11,214 And with the hope that we would learn something 1354 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,649 other than the madness 1355 01:19:13,716 --> 01:19:16,920 we were hearing from Sharon. 1356 01:19:16,986 --> 01:19:19,022 HARRIS: My ex-wife came out from downstairs 1357 01:19:19,088 --> 01:19:21,224 where the radio room was, 1358 01:19:21,290 --> 01:19:23,426 and kissed me goodbye on the cheek. 1359 01:19:24,193 --> 01:19:26,129 I just wanna thank you. 1360 01:19:27,964 --> 01:19:29,498 And when she kissed me goodbye, 1361 01:19:29,565 --> 01:19:32,601 that was the... That was really goodbye. 1362 01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:40,877 You know, I was feeling rather buoyant overall. 1363 01:19:40,944 --> 01:19:42,645 You know, we had plans for the next day. 1364 01:19:42,711 --> 01:19:44,914 I felt we were making certain inroads. 1365 01:19:44,981 --> 01:19:47,583 I think they got... I felt they got the message. 1366 01:19:49,652 --> 01:19:51,020 See ya tomorrow, 7:00 a.m. 1367 01:19:51,087 --> 01:19:52,088 Okay. 1368 01:19:52,155 --> 01:19:53,756 Pegasus Hotel, please. 1369 01:19:53,823 --> 01:19:55,291 So I felt very upbeat 1370 01:19:55,358 --> 01:19:58,094 and I felt that we were making progress. 1371 01:20:28,124 --> 01:20:30,693 LEO: Okay, let's start getting back on the plane. We'll be fine. 1372 01:20:30,759 --> 01:20:32,095 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1373 01:20:36,099 --> 01:20:37,867 MAN: Everybody, spread out! 1374 01:20:37,934 --> 01:20:39,635 -(GUNSHOTS) -MAN: Spread out! 1375 01:20:39,702 --> 01:20:40,803 Spread out! 1376 01:20:44,941 --> 01:20:46,409 (INDISTINCT GROANING) 1377 01:20:50,246 --> 01:20:51,847 They're killing everyone! 1378 01:20:53,149 --> 01:20:55,251 -(GIRL SCREAMING) -(GRUNTS) 1379 01:20:59,622 --> 01:21:01,224 (GIRL SCREAMING) 1380 01:21:09,232 --> 01:21:10,566 (GUNSHOTS) 1381 01:21:15,738 --> 01:21:17,140 (GUNSHOTS CONTINUE) 1382 01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:23,046 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1383 01:21:45,868 --> 01:21:46,936 (GROANS) 1384 01:22:00,649 --> 01:22:01,784 Oh, shit! 1385 01:22:02,551 --> 01:22:03,552 (SOBBING) 1386 01:22:04,820 --> 01:22:07,156 The gunfire died down. 1387 01:22:08,291 --> 01:22:09,858 Then there were several 1388 01:22:10,659 --> 01:22:13,262 deliberate shots 1389 01:22:14,197 --> 01:22:15,831 over the space of 1390 01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:19,068 maybe a half-minute. 1391 01:22:25,408 --> 01:22:26,575 (GUNSHOT) 1392 01:22:29,678 --> 01:22:30,879 (GUNSHOTS) 1393 01:22:32,815 --> 01:22:35,684 REITERMAN: And then there was silence. 1394 01:22:38,554 --> 01:22:42,458 JIM: Anyone who has any dissenting opinion, please speak. 1395 01:22:44,393 --> 01:22:45,761 Yes, Christine. 1396 01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:50,333 Well, I feel like, 1397 01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:53,302 that, as long as there's life, there's hope. 1398 01:22:54,770 --> 01:22:57,640 JIM: Someday everybody dies. 1399 01:22:57,706 --> 01:23:01,144 Someday that hope runs out and I'd just like to 1400 01:23:01,210 --> 01:23:03,946 choose my own kind of a death for a change. 1401 01:23:04,013 --> 01:23:06,582 I'm tired of being tormented to hell. 1402 01:23:06,649 --> 01:23:08,584 That's what I'm tired of. 1403 01:23:08,651 --> 01:23:10,519 (CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1404 01:23:14,323 --> 01:23:15,791 CHRISTINE: I ain't ready to die. 1405 01:23:15,858 --> 01:23:18,094 I don't think that you are. 1406 01:23:18,161 --> 01:23:22,665 But, uh, I look about at the babies and I think, 1407 01:23:22,731 --> 01:23:25,068 "They deserve to live," you know? 1408 01:23:25,134 --> 01:23:28,604 Yeah, I agree. I agree, but don't they also deserve much more? 1409 01:23:28,671 --> 01:23:30,339 Don't they deserve peace? 1410 01:23:30,406 --> 01:23:31,740 (CROWD AGREEING) 1411 01:23:34,110 --> 01:23:35,978 We all came here for peace. 1412 01:23:36,045 --> 01:23:38,414 -And have we had it? -No. 1413 01:23:39,482 --> 01:23:41,417 Just hold on, sister. 1414 01:23:41,484 --> 01:23:43,852 We made it a beautiful day and let's make it a beautiful day. 1415 01:23:43,919 --> 01:23:45,088 That's what I say. 1416 01:23:45,154 --> 01:23:47,990 (CHEERING) 1417 01:23:48,057 --> 01:23:51,260 I've tried. I've tried to stop this thing from happening, 1418 01:23:51,327 --> 01:23:54,063 but now I see, I see it is the will, 1419 01:23:54,130 --> 01:23:56,799 the will of sovereign being that this happened to us, 1420 01:23:56,865 --> 01:23:59,034 that we lay down our lives 1421 01:23:59,102 --> 01:24:03,139 as a protest against what is being done. 1422 01:24:03,206 --> 01:24:05,674 You know, the criminality of people, 1423 01:24:05,741 --> 01:24:08,577 -the cruelty of people. -(CROWD AGREEING) 1424 01:24:08,644 --> 01:24:11,780 I just know, I know there is no point, 1425 01:24:11,847 --> 01:24:13,382 there is no point to this. 1426 01:24:18,687 --> 01:24:21,624 JIM: What comes now, folks? What comes now? 1427 01:24:25,428 --> 01:24:26,695 (WHISPERING) 1428 01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,243 It's all over. 1429 01:24:40,309 --> 01:24:42,145 The congressman has been murdered. 1430 01:24:47,783 --> 01:24:52,755 Sharon Amos was one of the small percentage of 1431 01:24:52,821 --> 01:24:57,092 the Temple membership that I viewed as a zealot. 1432 01:25:03,065 --> 01:25:06,569 And, um, certainly by the end days 1433 01:25:06,635 --> 01:25:09,972 she was every bit as sick as my father was. 1434 01:25:10,839 --> 01:25:12,475 (CHILDREN GIGGLE) 1435 01:25:16,645 --> 01:25:19,282 I know that woman loved her children dearly. 1436 01:25:20,783 --> 01:25:22,751 Go see Mommy. 1437 01:25:22,818 --> 01:25:26,922 And this is in no way an explanation or an excuse or a defense of what she did. 1438 01:25:26,989 --> 01:25:28,391 But for her, 1439 01:25:30,493 --> 01:25:32,161 she thought she was saving them. 1440 01:25:34,497 --> 01:25:37,333 JIM: If we give them our children, 1441 01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,704 then our children will suffer forever. 1442 01:25:41,770 --> 01:25:43,506 (CROW AGREEING) 1443 01:25:43,572 --> 01:25:46,842 -We win. We win when we go down. -(CROWD APPLAUDING) 1444 01:25:48,777 --> 01:25:52,415 Paul said, "I was a man born out of due season." 1445 01:25:52,481 --> 01:25:56,585 Well, I've been born out of due season, just like we all have. 1446 01:25:56,652 --> 01:26:01,724 And the best testimony we can make is to leave this goddamn world. 1447 01:26:01,790 --> 01:26:03,125 (CROWD AGREEING) 1448 01:26:06,929 --> 01:26:08,697 CHILD: (YELLS) Mama! 1449 01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:12,701 Mama! 1450 01:26:18,173 --> 01:26:20,142 JIM: What a legacy. 1451 01:26:20,209 --> 01:26:22,978 They invaded our privacy, 1452 01:26:23,045 --> 01:26:24,513 they come into our home, 1453 01:26:24,580 --> 01:26:27,750 they followed us 6,000 miles away. 1454 01:26:27,816 --> 01:26:29,318 Get us some medication. 1455 01:26:29,385 --> 01:26:30,453 It's simple. 1456 01:26:30,519 --> 01:26:32,255 There's no convulsions with it. 1457 01:26:32,321 --> 01:26:35,524 It's just simple. Just please get some. 1458 01:26:35,591 --> 01:26:38,461 JONES: You know, so much of it feels like fate. 1459 01:26:38,527 --> 01:26:40,529 Every possible ingredient 1460 01:26:40,596 --> 01:26:43,732 that could be thrown into this disastrous recipe 1461 01:26:43,799 --> 01:26:45,834 was thrown in there. 1462 01:26:45,901 --> 01:26:48,804 You've got my father who was already unraveling. 1463 01:26:48,871 --> 01:26:51,907 Are you gonna separate yourself from who shot the congressman? 1464 01:26:51,974 --> 01:26:54,743 -I don't know who shot him. -(CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1465 01:26:55,611 --> 01:26:58,113 And you've got a demoralized, 1466 01:26:58,180 --> 01:27:01,817 malnourished, exhausted populous. 1467 01:27:01,884 --> 01:27:04,320 And the people of Jonestown were just... 1468 01:27:04,387 --> 01:27:08,924 They were also crazy on some level because of the... 1469 01:27:10,259 --> 01:27:12,828 What they had been put through by my father. 1470 01:27:13,662 --> 01:27:14,863 JIM: It's just simple. 1471 01:27:14,930 --> 01:27:17,833 Just please get some, just get it. 1472 01:27:20,836 --> 01:27:22,204 JONES: And then who were the first to die? 1473 01:27:22,271 --> 01:27:24,106 The children were the first to die. 1474 01:27:24,172 --> 01:27:27,142 -CHILD: I don't want to! -(BABY CRYING) 1475 01:27:27,209 --> 01:27:29,612 JIM: All they're doing is taking a drink. 1476 01:27:29,678 --> 01:27:31,914 (CHILDREN CRYING) 1477 01:27:31,980 --> 01:27:34,883 JIM: The Guyana Defense Force will be here, I am telling you. 1478 01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:37,786 Get moving, get moving, get moving. 1479 01:27:39,221 --> 01:27:41,590 I'm sure many people believed that they were lost, 1480 01:27:41,657 --> 01:27:43,392 that they were going to come in with force 1481 01:27:43,459 --> 01:27:45,093 and their children were gonna be taken from them 1482 01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:49,131 and they were gonna die or suffer greatly. 1483 01:27:49,197 --> 01:27:51,133 All they're doing is taking a drink. 1484 01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:53,969 WOMAN: (YELLS) No! No! JIM: They're taking... 1485 01:27:54,036 --> 01:27:57,105 Mother, Mother, please! Mother, Mother, please! Mother! 1486 01:27:57,172 --> 01:27:58,674 (CHILD CRYING) 1487 01:28:00,709 --> 01:28:04,112 CHILD: Mommy, what's happening to everybody? 1488 01:28:04,179 --> 01:28:07,383 Can some people assure these kids of the relaxation 1489 01:28:07,450 --> 01:28:09,418 of stepping over to the next plane? 1490 01:28:09,485 --> 01:28:11,587 They set an example for the others. 1491 01:28:15,391 --> 01:28:18,894 They take it and fall asleep. That's what death is, sleep. 1492 01:28:20,829 --> 01:28:23,065 JONES: And even those that still wanted to get out of it, 1493 01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:25,133 where were they gonna go at that point? 1494 01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:26,902 How were they going to get out of it? 1495 01:28:28,837 --> 01:28:30,806 It's about more than, 1496 01:28:32,174 --> 01:28:33,976 you know, Jim Jones saying, 1497 01:28:34,042 --> 01:28:36,579 "Line up and take the poison, it's time to go." 1498 01:28:37,279 --> 01:28:39,081 JIM: Oh, my God. 1499 01:28:40,549 --> 01:28:42,150 Oh, my God. 1500 01:28:46,088 --> 01:28:48,924 WOMAN: No! No! No! 1501 01:28:51,226 --> 01:28:52,227 No! 1502 01:28:52,895 --> 01:28:54,129 No! 1503 01:28:54,196 --> 01:28:55,498 (GROANS) 1504 01:28:55,564 --> 01:28:56,965 WOMAN: Don't! 1505 01:29:03,639 --> 01:29:04,907 (SOBBING) 1506 01:29:24,326 --> 01:29:26,094 JIM: Lay down your burden. 1507 01:29:26,161 --> 01:29:28,063 Don't be afraid to die. 1508 01:29:29,665 --> 01:29:32,367 Jim told me to go. 1509 01:29:32,435 --> 01:29:36,939 He wants me to tell the world what happened here, okay? 1510 01:29:37,005 --> 01:29:38,441 The truth of it. 1511 01:29:38,507 --> 01:29:40,876 JIM: I'm not gonna let them take your child. 1512 01:29:40,943 --> 01:29:43,211 Would you let them take your child? 1513 01:29:43,278 --> 01:29:46,314 Please, please, please, please. 1514 01:29:46,381 --> 01:29:48,651 Please, please, please, please, please. 1515 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:05,961 (GROANING) 1516 01:31:09,632 --> 01:31:11,967 REITERMAN: After a while, 1517 01:31:12,034 --> 01:31:16,238 I stood and started to work my way back 1518 01:31:16,304 --> 01:31:17,973 to the airstrip. 1519 01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:22,310 I wanted to see what had happened to everyone else. 1520 01:31:45,968 --> 01:31:50,906 I saw several bodies on the ground. 1521 01:31:50,973 --> 01:31:55,578 It appeared from the wounds of some of them 1522 01:31:55,644 --> 01:31:59,514 that Temple members had gone around 1523 01:31:59,582 --> 01:32:05,153 and finished them off with shots to the head. 1524 01:32:08,691 --> 01:32:11,226 -(CAMERA CLICKING) -Don Harris of NBC, 1525 01:32:15,130 --> 01:32:16,531 Congressman Ryan, 1526 01:32:20,135 --> 01:32:23,538 Greg Robinson, the photographer with me, 1527 01:32:26,241 --> 01:32:29,578 Bob Brown of NBC, 1528 01:32:29,645 --> 01:32:31,647 Patricia Parks, 1529 01:32:31,714 --> 01:32:34,950 one of the defectors, all of them were dead. 1530 01:32:40,823 --> 01:32:44,326 NARRATOR: During the ambush at the airstrip, five people were murdered, 1531 01:32:44,392 --> 01:32:47,029 including Congressman Leo Ryan. 1532 01:32:47,095 --> 01:32:49,431 Eleven others were wounded but survived 1533 01:32:49,497 --> 01:32:52,367 including Ryan's aid, Jackie Speier, 1534 01:32:52,434 --> 01:32:54,703 and defector, Monica Bagby. 1535 01:32:54,770 --> 01:32:58,440 Jones sent gunmen to the airstrip 1536 01:32:58,506 --> 01:33:02,144 to kill the congressman and others 1537 01:33:02,210 --> 01:33:05,113 so that he could then turn to his followers 1538 01:33:05,180 --> 01:33:10,452 and say, "No country, no place wants us any longer 1539 01:33:10,518 --> 01:33:13,856 "because some of our people have now killed a congressman. 1540 01:33:15,891 --> 01:33:17,025 "There is no hope." 1541 01:33:21,897 --> 01:33:25,968 JONES: Till the last possible minute, you cling to hope 1542 01:33:26,034 --> 01:33:28,336 that people are alive. 1543 01:33:28,403 --> 01:33:31,907 And a young woman came out 1544 01:33:31,974 --> 01:33:36,979 and walked up to me and said Sharon's killed herself and killed her children. 1545 01:33:39,081 --> 01:33:42,317 She believed that her children were going to be taken 1546 01:33:42,384 --> 01:33:44,787 to horrible circumstances 1547 01:33:45,854 --> 01:33:48,356 and that death 1548 01:33:49,624 --> 01:33:51,626 was better for them. 1549 01:33:54,296 --> 01:33:57,165 As I opened the door, the first thing I saw was 1550 01:33:59,201 --> 01:34:00,903 the babies and... 1551 01:34:02,270 --> 01:34:05,040 And, you know, they were dead, 1552 01:34:05,107 --> 01:34:07,309 clearly dead, clearly gone. 1553 01:34:07,375 --> 01:34:08,443 It was just, 1554 01:34:09,812 --> 01:34:10,813 just horrible. 1555 01:34:12,247 --> 01:34:15,918 And Liane wanted so much to please her mother. 1556 01:34:17,085 --> 01:34:19,587 The love of a daughter for a mother, 1557 01:34:20,889 --> 01:34:22,691 there's probably nothing like it 1558 01:34:22,758 --> 01:34:24,459 and what I learned later 1559 01:34:26,061 --> 01:34:27,162 was that 1560 01:34:28,530 --> 01:34:30,165 they actually killed each other 1561 01:34:31,533 --> 01:34:33,235 by slitting each other's throats. 1562 01:34:38,874 --> 01:34:41,309 GOSNEY: I came to several hours later, 1563 01:34:41,376 --> 01:34:44,679 and I knew it was several hours later because it was dark. 1564 01:34:46,548 --> 01:34:49,617 I could hear people walking through the bushes. 1565 01:34:51,153 --> 01:34:54,122 What it was, in fact, was people looking for survivors. 1566 01:35:08,536 --> 01:35:12,174 NARRATOR: Only a handful of Temple members inside Jonestown survived. 1567 01:35:13,241 --> 01:35:15,778 Some escaped into the jungle. 1568 01:35:15,844 --> 01:35:20,148 Seventy-six-year-old Hyacinth Thrash had hidden under her bed. 1569 01:36:49,137 --> 01:36:51,106 JONES: I lost everything that day. 1570 01:36:51,173 --> 01:36:54,676 I lost brothers and sisters and dear friends, 1571 01:36:54,742 --> 01:36:57,045 people I'd known my entire life 1572 01:36:57,112 --> 01:36:59,882 and the dearest person on the planet to me, which was my mother. 1573 01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:06,454 She resisted 1574 01:37:07,755 --> 01:37:09,791 and physically restrained, 1575 01:37:09,858 --> 01:37:11,359 um... 1576 01:37:11,426 --> 01:37:13,795 Until the last child died. 1577 01:37:13,862 --> 01:37:16,464 And then she walked up and took the poison herself. 1578 01:37:21,036 --> 01:37:25,273 My father, oh, I can tell you, I've never grieved his death. 1579 01:37:25,340 --> 01:37:28,610 I remember feeling disgust that 1580 01:37:28,676 --> 01:37:31,046 he didn't go the way everybody else went. 1581 01:37:31,113 --> 01:37:33,448 Not only did he have to be shot in the head, 1582 01:37:33,515 --> 01:37:35,951 but he had to have somebody else do it, 1583 01:37:36,018 --> 01:37:38,586 and I still believe it was because he couldn't bear 1584 01:37:38,653 --> 01:37:41,289 to go out the way he was seeing other people go out. 1585 01:37:44,492 --> 01:37:46,394 (PLANE ENGINE WHIRRING) 1586 01:37:54,769 --> 01:37:58,540 HARRIS: For the entire incident, I blame Jim Jones. 1587 01:38:00,042 --> 01:38:03,445 It's as if he was determined 1588 01:38:03,511 --> 01:38:06,248 to make sure nobody won. 1589 01:38:06,314 --> 01:38:09,051 If he wasn't gonna win, nobody was gonna win. 1590 01:38:11,353 --> 01:38:14,322 GOSNEY: The people that died in Jonestown were my family. 1591 01:38:15,958 --> 01:38:18,360 And they were my family 1592 01:38:18,426 --> 01:38:21,129 when my family wasn't my family. 1593 01:38:21,196 --> 01:38:22,297 And they're all just... 1594 01:38:23,731 --> 01:38:28,003 Just really wonderful, good people 1595 01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:31,106 who wanted to make a positive change in the world. 1596 01:38:34,576 --> 01:38:36,444 REITERMAN: One of the myths 1597 01:38:37,179 --> 01:38:38,981 of Jonestown 1598 01:38:39,047 --> 01:38:42,450 was that it was a mass suicide, 1599 01:38:43,618 --> 01:38:46,421 whereas in fact it was a mass murder. 1600 01:38:46,488 --> 01:38:49,424 They lie, they lie. What can I do about liars? 1601 01:38:49,491 --> 01:38:53,695 You people just leave us, I just beg you, please leave us. 1602 01:38:53,761 --> 01:38:55,897 REITERMAN: It happened because 1603 01:38:55,964 --> 01:38:58,166 Jim Jones didn't want 1604 01:38:58,233 --> 01:39:01,269 word to get out to the outside world 1605 01:39:02,504 --> 01:39:05,473 what was going on inside his community. 1606 01:39:07,009 --> 01:39:10,312 He didn't want the defectors to tell their stories, 1607 01:39:10,378 --> 01:39:14,049 and he didn't want the reporters to tell their stories 1608 01:39:14,116 --> 01:39:17,385 and he didn't want the congressman to tell his story. 1609 01:39:30,032 --> 01:39:32,167 GOSNEY: The first time I thought about the consequences 1610 01:39:32,234 --> 01:39:34,769 of Jonestown and what had happened 1611 01:39:34,836 --> 01:39:37,939 when I was in a military hospital in Puerto Rico, 1612 01:39:38,573 --> 01:39:40,008 and, uh, 1613 01:39:40,075 --> 01:39:42,910 a military psychiatrist came to speak with me 1614 01:39:42,977 --> 01:39:44,846 and tell me that my son was dead. 1615 01:39:47,582 --> 01:39:52,420 The loss of my son has been the most difficult thing in my life to deal with. 1616 01:39:52,487 --> 01:39:55,257 My sense of remorse, my sense of guilt, 1617 01:39:55,323 --> 01:39:58,260 my going back to that moment 1618 01:39:58,326 --> 01:40:01,429 a million times and making a different decision. 1619 01:40:05,567 --> 01:40:10,004 To find some level of peace and some level of forgiveness 1620 01:40:10,072 --> 01:40:12,140 has been the most challenging 1621 01:40:14,476 --> 01:40:15,510 thing for me. 1622 01:40:20,148 --> 01:40:21,983 HARRIS: I love my daughter very much. 1623 01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:26,154 I've lost her. (STAMMERS) I'm suffering, 1624 01:40:26,221 --> 01:40:29,924 truly suffering with the grief of that all these... You know, for years. 1625 01:40:29,991 --> 01:40:32,127 And I came to see 1626 01:40:32,194 --> 01:40:35,330 that I was really holding onto the grief as if I... 1627 01:40:35,397 --> 01:40:38,966 As if if I let it go I would be letting go of her. 1628 01:40:39,033 --> 01:40:41,636 And I thought that's not right. 1629 01:40:41,703 --> 01:40:46,374 And I came to see that I could hold my daughter as a loving memory. 1630 01:40:47,475 --> 01:40:48,543 Forever. 1631 01:40:50,678 --> 01:40:51,913 And let the grief go. 1632 01:40:56,384 --> 01:41:00,588 JONES: There were a lot of reasons I think that people ended up taking the poison. 1633 01:41:00,655 --> 01:41:03,725 I don't know who took it, who was injected. 1634 01:41:03,791 --> 01:41:08,796 I think more than anything it was out of loyalty to everybody else there. 1635 01:41:08,863 --> 01:41:11,833 Um, in my case if I had been there, 1636 01:41:11,899 --> 01:41:14,302 I know I had a strong will to live, 1637 01:41:14,369 --> 01:41:17,071 but I think it was so important to me... 1638 01:41:17,139 --> 01:41:19,674 How I was perceived by the people of my community 1639 01:41:19,741 --> 01:41:22,544 was so important to me 1640 01:41:22,610 --> 01:41:24,846 that it might have taken me to my death. 1641 01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:33,488 Ask yourself what would someone have to tell you, 1642 01:41:33,555 --> 01:41:36,191 or what would someone have to do to you 1643 01:41:36,258 --> 01:41:40,928 to get you to do something that you couldn't possibly believe you were capable of. 1644 01:41:42,130 --> 01:41:43,331 And examine that. 1645 01:41:45,733 --> 01:41:47,235 Learn from it. 1646 01:41:47,302 --> 01:41:50,138 Don't judge it, don't stand separate from it. 1647 01:41:51,373 --> 01:41:52,640 Be willing to 1648 01:41:53,875 --> 01:41:55,577 stand in the shoes of 1649 01:41:56,544 --> 01:41:58,146 the people you are judging. 1650 01:42:00,882 --> 01:42:03,151 And I hope that, 1651 01:42:03,218 --> 01:42:05,587 you know, 900-plus people, 1652 01:42:05,653 --> 01:42:10,124 that they died and the way they died, 1653 01:42:10,192 --> 01:42:14,629 um, might offer us something so that their lives won't be in vain. 124273

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