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Expanding into TV. 7 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:24,399 The ratings were terrible. 8 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:26,067 An animated movie. 9 00:00:26,192 --> 00:00:28,028 Halfway through the movie, every kid starts 10 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:29,070 screaming and crying. 11 00:00:29,195 --> 00:00:31,072 It bombed, financially. 12 00:00:31,072 --> 00:00:33,616 And a whole new spin-off ecosystem. 13 00:00:33,616 --> 00:00:36,619 - Robots in disguise. - We knew it was over. 14 00:00:36,619 --> 00:00:39,164 So the iconic Hasbro franchise 15 00:00:39,164 --> 00:00:41,708 set its metal sites on Hollywood. 16 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:44,210 Gotta start thinking about how to transform these things. 17 00:00:45,712 --> 00:00:47,088 It was a very skeptical audience. 18 00:00:47,088 --> 00:00:48,590 All right. That's enough. That's enough. 19 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:49,716 But the transformation 20 00:00:49,841 --> 00:00:51,551 from script to screen 21 00:00:51,676 --> 00:00:53,053 I woke up at two o'clock in the morning 22 00:00:53,053 --> 00:00:54,929 and screamed, which one's the jet? 23 00:00:54,929 --> 00:00:56,389 Through the mind 24 00:00:56,389 --> 00:00:58,183 of controversial director Michael Bay. 25 00:00:58,183 --> 00:01:00,101 - He has a reputation. - Come on, on cameras, let's go. 26 00:01:00,226 --> 00:01:02,062 Lift him up again, do it again. 27 00:01:02,187 --> 00:01:05,065 This is terrible. No, no, no. We gotta redesign everything. 28 00:01:05,231 --> 00:01:07,525 Would prove to be a rocky ride. 29 00:01:07,650 --> 00:01:09,277 - It was a moment of terror. - Terror. 30 00:01:09,277 --> 00:01:12,155 Just racing to get this thing up and running. 31 00:01:12,155 --> 00:01:13,990 Come on, let's stop admiring the truck. Let's shoot. 32 00:01:13,990 --> 00:01:16,284 - It was chaos from day one. - I want it to transform. 33 00:01:16,284 --> 00:01:18,620 Come on, let's go. We're gonna pop the cable. 34 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:20,580 These are real things that were exploding around here. 35 00:01:20,705 --> 00:01:22,290 He's ape shit crazy. 36 00:01:22,415 --> 00:01:24,459 He said to everybody on the set, 37 00:01:24,459 --> 00:01:26,086 you're up my movie. 38 00:01:58,743 --> 00:02:02,038 {\an8}Transformers had earned billions of dollars for Hasbro. 39 00:02:02,038 --> 00:02:03,623 Can you make out how many, Spike? 40 00:02:03,748 --> 00:02:06,584 And by the two thousands, after years 41 00:02:06,584 --> 00:02:09,379 of rich storytelling in Transformers lore, 42 00:02:09,379 --> 00:02:12,465 it seemed like Hasbro had lost the plot. 43 00:02:12,590 --> 00:02:15,468 They weren't cars and trucks that you recognized anymore. 44 00:02:15,468 --> 00:02:18,346 {\an8}They weren't necessarily Autobots and Decepticons. 45 00:02:18,471 --> 00:02:20,390 - Combiner. - BTR building sets. 46 00:02:20,515 --> 00:02:23,309 New Jet Storm and new Optimist sold separately. 47 00:02:23,309 --> 00:02:27,021 But, if Transformers weren't Transformers-- 48 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:29,441 New Star Wars Transformers. 49 00:02:29,566 --> 00:02:32,360 - You had to ask-- - What, what is it? 50 00:02:32,485 --> 00:02:34,696 And could it still make money? 51 00:02:34,821 --> 00:02:37,657 {\an8}There was a very well established, from the animated show 52 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:40,368 {\an8}and from the movie, set of relationships in place already. 53 00:02:40,368 --> 00:02:42,329 I mean, you can't disregard that. 54 00:02:42,454 --> 00:02:45,832 Which is exactly what Hasbro's senior executive 55 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:47,625 Brian Goldner was thinking. 56 00:02:47,625 --> 00:02:52,130 {\an8}He wanted to go back to overall basic, reintroduce cars 57 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:55,675 and trucks in the war and voices and make something happen. 58 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,261 And that's not all Brian Goldner was looking 59 00:02:58,261 --> 00:03:00,180 to recreate from the past. 60 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:03,683 He was thinking in movies, new cartoons, studios. 61 00:03:03,683 --> 00:03:06,394 And come on. There had to be a market 62 00:03:06,394 --> 00:03:08,313 for new Transformers movies. 63 00:03:08,313 --> 00:03:11,191 Those animated shows, the stuff kids absorb 64 00:03:11,358 --> 00:03:14,361 between the ages of eight and 12. That's the base. 65 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:17,364 And it was a base that had now grown up 66 00:03:17,489 --> 00:03:19,699 with more than just pocket money to spend. 67 00:03:19,824 --> 00:03:22,786 And so Hasbro's primary creative liaison, 68 00:03:22,786 --> 00:03:24,746 Aaron Archer, got to work. 69 00:03:24,871 --> 00:03:27,499 My responsibility was to start to harness 70 00:03:27,499 --> 00:03:30,210 what we believed the brand to be about. 71 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:31,878 Autobots are the good guys. 72 00:03:31,878 --> 00:03:33,713 Decepticons are the bad guys. 73 00:03:33,713 --> 00:03:36,591 The core characters, core iconography, core story. 74 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:40,345 So that Brian Goldner could then lay that out on the table, 75 00:03:40,345 --> 00:03:42,555 when we went to talk to Hollywood. 76 00:03:42,681 --> 00:03:44,099 All too easy. 77 00:03:44,099 --> 00:03:46,226 {\an8}I don't think it had an easy time. 78 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:47,602 {\an8}Um, or not. 79 00:03:47,727 --> 00:03:49,396 It was a very skeptical audience. 80 00:03:49,521 --> 00:03:52,691 They didn't know how a movie like that would work. 81 00:03:52,816 --> 00:03:55,860 They thought it was maybe gonna be like Toy Story, 82 00:03:55,860 --> 00:03:58,321 where the toys are running around. 83 00:03:58,321 --> 00:04:01,700 You are a toy! 84 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:04,619 I happen to know at one point Universal were offered 85 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:07,914 {\an8}the Transformer movies and turned them down. 86 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:09,874 {\an8}Jilted by Hollywood, 87 00:04:09,874 --> 00:04:13,712 {\an8}the Hasbro's team's desperate search for a relationship 88 00:04:13,712 --> 00:04:18,758 to revive our beloved Transformers was on the rocks. 89 00:04:18,758 --> 00:04:20,468 And let's back up a bit 90 00:04:20,593 --> 00:04:21,803 and meet the White Knight 91 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:24,806 who would sweep Hasbro off its feet 92 00:04:24,931 --> 00:04:27,726 and helm the franchise they dreamed of. 93 00:04:27,726 --> 00:04:29,394 This is Michael Bay. 94 00:04:29,394 --> 00:04:31,271 {\an8}He's this hot young director. 95 00:04:33,064 --> 00:04:35,650 You know, he's a genius with what he does. 96 00:04:35,775 --> 00:04:38,862 And what he does... 97 00:04:38,987 --> 00:04:40,322 He likes toys. 98 00:04:40,322 --> 00:04:42,240 ...isn't subtle. 99 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,450 He has a reputation. 100 00:04:43,575 --> 00:04:44,743 {\an8}This is terrible. No, no, no. 101 00:04:44,743 --> 00:04:46,286 {\an8}We gotta redesign everything. 102 00:04:47,912 --> 00:04:51,791 {\an8}And he loves fast things. 103 00:04:51,791 --> 00:04:54,294 Real pyrotechnics. 104 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:55,962 real stunts, 105 00:04:55,962 --> 00:04:59,299 ingeniously designed action. 106 00:04:59,299 --> 00:05:00,800 Some fall for him. 107 00:05:02,427 --> 00:05:04,512 {\an8}Love him. He's ape shit crazy. 108 00:05:07,724 --> 00:05:09,476 He gets excited. 109 00:05:09,601 --> 00:05:11,478 Like this conductor of chaos. 110 00:05:12,937 --> 00:05:15,315 Which makes some blow their tops. 111 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,317 He has a reputation. 112 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:20,653 A lot of filmmakers talk shit about Michael Bay. 113 00:05:20,779 --> 00:05:23,448 {\an8}I didn't know how much he paid attention 114 00:05:23,448 --> 00:05:25,992 in directing class. 115 00:05:25,992 --> 00:05:27,702 He's even a noun. 116 00:05:27,827 --> 00:05:29,663 - Bayhem. - That's right. 117 00:05:29,663 --> 00:05:31,247 - Bayhem. - Young Bayhem 118 00:05:31,247 --> 00:05:33,583 started his career directing commercials, 119 00:05:33,583 --> 00:05:37,379 but he was destined for bigger things in Hollywood. 120 00:05:37,379 --> 00:05:39,673 He wanted to bring his way 121 00:05:39,798 --> 00:05:41,883 of making commercials to feature films. 122 00:05:41,883 --> 00:05:45,345 Steven Spielberg would eventually transform 123 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:48,848 Bay's career, but first he had to get badder. 124 00:05:48,973 --> 00:05:50,517 Now let's hear one of those jokes, bitch. 125 00:05:50,517 --> 00:05:51,851 Bad Boys. 126 00:05:51,851 --> 00:05:53,978 I'm so sick of this bullshit. 127 00:05:53,978 --> 00:05:56,606 With a budget of less than 20 million 128 00:05:56,731 --> 00:06:00,985 and burning, or earning, over 140 million at the 129 00:06:00,985 --> 00:06:04,781 box office, studios would disagree that Bad Boys 130 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:06,366 was a bad movie. 131 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:09,703 In 1996, he completed his second film. 132 00:06:09,703 --> 00:06:11,287 Welcome to The Rock. 133 00:06:11,287 --> 00:06:12,997 He said it to Sean Connery at one stage, 134 00:06:12,997 --> 00:06:14,582 "Don't destroy my movie." 135 00:06:14,916 --> 00:06:18,378 And Sean Connery said, well, I'll try not to. 136 00:06:18,503 --> 00:06:21,339 Losers always whine about their best. 137 00:06:21,339 --> 00:06:24,384 The Rock was still Michael having to prove himself. 138 00:06:24,509 --> 00:06:26,845 He's like working with a film student. 139 00:06:26,845 --> 00:06:28,763 In so many Michael Bay movies 140 00:06:28,888 --> 00:06:30,807 where a guy will start shooting with a machine gun 141 00:06:30,807 --> 00:06:32,892 and the next time you cut to him, he's got a pistol. 142 00:06:32,892 --> 00:06:35,395 {\an8}And he goes, "Well it looked cool when you saw the shot." 143 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:37,772 It's a cool shot. It's not about that. 144 00:06:37,897 --> 00:06:41,609 He was trying to do stuff that works well in a commercial, 145 00:06:41,776 --> 00:06:43,278 but you've gotta tell the story. 146 00:06:43,278 --> 00:06:45,447 Well, advertising sells 147 00:06:45,447 --> 00:06:48,908 and so did The Rock, bringing in hundreds of millions 148 00:06:48,908 --> 00:06:51,911 at the box office and Steven Spielberg. 149 00:06:51,911 --> 00:06:53,747 I remember Steven Spielberg calling Michael 150 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:55,623 after watching The Rock and loving it. 151 00:06:55,749 --> 00:06:58,334 {\an8}Relationships blossom from simple things like that 152 00:06:58,460 --> 00:07:00,795 {\an8}where you have this huge director saying, I love your stuff. 153 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,465 That blossoming relationship may have had 154 00:07:03,465 --> 00:07:05,925 more in common than meets the eye. 155 00:07:06,051 --> 00:07:07,927 Both filmmakers were fans of-- 156 00:07:08,053 --> 00:07:09,512 You know his favorite movie is-- 157 00:07:09,512 --> 00:07:10,972 - West Side Story? - Yes. 158 00:07:11,097 --> 00:07:12,682 ♪ The Jets are in gear ♪ 159 00:07:12,807 --> 00:07:14,434 ♪ Our cylinders are clickin' ♪ 160 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:15,769 Which sounds nuts. 161 00:07:15,894 --> 00:07:17,062 Because Bay's movies 162 00:07:17,062 --> 00:07:19,397 weren't exactly music to the ears. 163 00:07:21,524 --> 00:07:23,777 {\an8}He's very much attracted to movement. 164 00:07:23,902 --> 00:07:25,779 It's the choreography, it's the people in motions. 165 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:27,989 It's the fact that every dance scene has people moving in 166 00:07:28,114 --> 00:07:30,408 foreground background that you're telling the story 167 00:07:30,533 --> 00:07:31,576 through the camera movement. 168 00:07:31,576 --> 00:07:33,078 Is it not beautiful? 169 00:07:33,078 --> 00:07:34,454 Ah, yes. 170 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:39,376 For Bayhem fans, a little song and dance might 171 00:07:39,376 --> 00:07:42,128 seem like the end of the world. Far from it. 172 00:07:42,253 --> 00:07:43,797 The great thing about Armageddon is when it came out 173 00:07:43,797 --> 00:07:45,090 it was a huge hit. 174 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:49,511 And then, there was Pearl Harbor. 175 00:07:49,636 --> 00:07:52,097 When I saw that, I went, well, you know he can do it, 176 00:07:52,097 --> 00:07:54,516 'cause he, that was done pretty conventionally, you know? 177 00:07:58,812 --> 00:08:01,064 There are still things about it that are a little bit hokey. 178 00:08:04,275 --> 00:08:06,820 But generally, turned out pretty well. 179 00:08:06,945 --> 00:08:09,406 Victory belongs to those that believe in it the most. 180 00:08:09,406 --> 00:08:12,867 Earning $450 million worldwide 181 00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:16,538 against a budget of less than $150 million. 182 00:08:16,538 --> 00:08:20,125 The list of Michael Bay fans and favorites kept growing. 183 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:22,836 I met him back on Bad Boys 2. 184 00:08:22,961 --> 00:08:25,505 It was an amazing experience. 185 00:08:25,505 --> 00:08:28,508 {\an8}Michael invented one of the greatest things in our 186 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:30,176 {\an8}industry ever. In Action Industry. 187 00:08:30,176 --> 00:08:31,678 He invented the Bay Buster. 188 00:08:34,139 --> 00:08:35,849 You have a camera that's only a couple 189 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:37,017 inches off the ground. 190 00:08:37,017 --> 00:08:38,643 You have a high power vehicle, 191 00:08:38,643 --> 00:08:40,019 so you're getting exciting shots 192 00:08:40,019 --> 00:08:41,688 'cause the ground is rushing by 193 00:08:41,813 --> 00:08:44,691 - Bay was unstoppable. - This is what I do. 194 00:08:44,816 --> 00:08:47,652 Creating mayhem at the box office. 195 00:08:47,652 --> 00:08:49,863 - Bayhem. - Right, Bayhem. 196 00:08:49,988 --> 00:08:53,700 And for his next film, Michael Bay would finally team up 197 00:08:53,825 --> 00:08:55,076 with Steven Spielberg. 198 00:08:55,076 --> 00:08:57,203 He absolutely thought Spielberg was a genius. 199 00:08:57,328 --> 00:08:58,913 It seemed like combining their 200 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:00,749 filmmaking DNA would clone 201 00:09:00,749 --> 00:09:03,752 Bay's box office success until-- 202 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:05,754 The Island. The Island. 203 00:09:05,754 --> 00:09:07,047 An enormous flop. 204 00:09:07,172 --> 00:09:08,715 Are you saying there's something wrong? 205 00:09:08,715 --> 00:09:10,925 {\an8}So in 2005, when The Island dropped, 206 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:13,053 {\an8}those tropes were really overdone. 207 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:15,889 And so, with Michael Bay's mishandling 208 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:19,184 of this sci-fi film and a collaboration with the great 209 00:09:19,184 --> 00:09:22,228 Steven Spielberg, that really didn't work out, 210 00:09:22,354 --> 00:09:24,230 that's where our story could have ended. 211 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:26,024 However, 212 00:09:26,149 --> 00:09:28,902 Hasbro's Brian Goldner had other plans 213 00:09:29,027 --> 00:09:31,905 because he was still looking for someone in Hollywood 214 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:33,698 to take on Transformers. 215 00:09:33,698 --> 00:09:35,784 Hasbro had always had a strong relationship 216 00:09:35,784 --> 00:09:37,744 with Steven Spielberg going all the way back 217 00:09:37,869 --> 00:09:39,996 to the Indiana Jones toys at Kenner. 218 00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:43,124 Indiana Jones at your service, Toht. Ah. 219 00:09:43,249 --> 00:09:45,085 And so Steven Spielberg 220 00:09:45,085 --> 00:09:48,963 and his company Dreamworks, who had a deal with Paramount, 221 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:51,591 made a deal with Hasbro. 222 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:55,970 And just like that, this gray body, dead franchise 223 00:09:56,096 --> 00:09:58,014 would surge back to life. 224 00:09:58,014 --> 00:10:00,058 Anything he wants to breathe life into, 225 00:10:00,058 --> 00:10:01,893 gets the fast track in Hollywood. 226 00:10:01,893 --> 00:10:03,561 So fast in fact-- 227 00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:05,105 They already had the release date. 228 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:06,690 Because when you have a big blockbuster like that, 229 00:10:06,690 --> 00:10:08,525 you have to clear out that weekend. 230 00:10:08,650 --> 00:10:10,694 You have to go, okay, who else is releasing something? 231 00:10:10,694 --> 00:10:13,154 We don't want to compete, but we have to find an open weekend. 232 00:10:13,154 --> 00:10:16,157 And so, with an overwhelming deadline 233 00:10:16,157 --> 00:10:18,952 fast approaching, Spielberg needed a script 234 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:20,870 that everyone could agree on. 235 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:22,998 Hasbro had to approve the story 236 00:10:23,123 --> 00:10:26,835 and Spielberg's company had been working on developing this 237 00:10:26,835 --> 00:10:28,628 for a while, but they could not find a writer 238 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:30,088 and they were hitting a deadline where they had 239 00:10:30,088 --> 00:10:31,798 to be making some sort of progress. 240 00:10:31,923 --> 00:10:34,592 I came in, I said I, I have this idea for the movie. 241 00:10:34,592 --> 00:10:38,221 I want to do a soldier story. I want to do Optimus Prime 242 00:10:38,221 --> 00:10:40,348 and those guys are, they're all veterans of a war. 243 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:43,685 - A really brutal war. - A war that ravaged 244 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:47,188 our planet until it was consumed by death. 245 00:10:47,313 --> 00:10:49,149 We are this little backwater planet 246 00:10:49,274 --> 00:10:51,776 and the war has come to us and we don't even know it exists. 247 00:10:51,901 --> 00:10:53,945 And there's giant robots and it's all very terrifying. 248 00:10:53,945 --> 00:10:56,156 Meanwhile, Steven Spielberg 249 00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:59,326 was more interested in teenage earthly matters. 250 00:10:59,326 --> 00:11:01,661 Steven had pitched, very centrally, he's like, 251 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:03,997 "I'm looking for a story about a boy and his car." 252 00:11:04,122 --> 00:11:07,000 I bought a car, turned out to be an alien robot. 253 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,044 I took those elements and kind of jammed them together 254 00:11:09,169 --> 00:11:10,754 for that first draft. 255 00:11:10,754 --> 00:11:12,714 They said, this is great. We love this. 256 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:16,176 We need Hasbro to approve it. I came into Amblin. 257 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:19,304 It was me and Mr. Spielberg and other executives 258 00:11:19,304 --> 00:11:24,225 and 25 Hasbro execs and I had the flu. 259 00:11:24,350 --> 00:11:26,978 I was actually running a fever. And so I pitched it to them. 260 00:11:26,978 --> 00:11:30,231 He presented it very dynamically and fun-- 261 00:11:30,357 --> 00:11:32,150 For 25 minutes. Scene by scene. 262 00:11:32,275 --> 00:11:33,818 This is what the movie is, this is what it's about. 263 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:35,362 This is act one, two, and three. 264 00:11:35,362 --> 00:11:37,072 These are the characters we use, this involvement. 265 00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:39,032 At the end of it, the very nice Hasbro people went- 266 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:40,700 Yeah, great, great. 267 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:42,327 And they said, good job. 268 00:11:42,327 --> 00:11:43,870 You're now gonna go write the movie. 269 00:11:43,995 --> 00:11:45,205 And with those words 270 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:46,331 Good job! 271 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:48,708 A reality sunk in for John. 272 00:11:48,833 --> 00:11:53,421 They already had July 7th, 2007 picked 273 00:11:53,546 --> 00:11:55,882 and they said, well okay, we need six months 274 00:11:55,882 --> 00:11:57,175 to promote it, we'll need six months to post it. 275 00:11:57,175 --> 00:11:59,052 Visual effects, close to a year. 276 00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:03,056 And then the date that we need to start, is behind me. 277 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:06,184 And there's just this moment where I said, 278 00:12:06,309 --> 00:12:09,104 "So in theory we needed a draft two weeks ago?" 279 00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:11,690 And Mr. Spielberg said, "Absolutely, exactly right. 280 00:12:11,690 --> 00:12:13,066 "Good luck." And then everyone got up 281 00:12:13,066 --> 00:12:15,026 and just left me at the table to go, 282 00:12:15,151 --> 00:12:17,153 "I'm already behind." 283 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:24,119 With a crushing deadline, 284 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:27,163 scriptwriter John Rogers was feeling the pressure. 285 00:12:27,288 --> 00:12:30,208 {\an8}I woke up at two o'clock in the morning clutching my chest 286 00:12:30,208 --> 00:12:31,960 {\an8}and screamed, which one's the jet? 287 00:12:33,795 --> 00:12:36,715 And just like, in complete brain fog terror. 288 00:12:36,715 --> 00:12:39,175 And so I wrote that first draft in 289 00:12:39,175 --> 00:12:40,844 just this six-week sprint. 290 00:12:40,969 --> 00:12:42,595 And then I turned in the draft and there's stuff they liked 291 00:12:42,721 --> 00:12:44,055 and stuff they didn't like, and they're like, 292 00:12:44,055 --> 00:12:46,808 well let's go get a director and do the next draft. 293 00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:49,102 Well, Spielberg wouldn't be directing 294 00:12:49,102 --> 00:12:52,022 because he had someone else in mind. 295 00:12:52,147 --> 00:12:53,273 Steven thought Michael, 296 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:56,026 he's a car guy, he loves cars. 297 00:13:00,030 --> 00:13:02,282 {\an8}And so he said, "Okay, car movie. 298 00:13:02,282 --> 00:13:04,117 {\an8}"Let Michael do it." 299 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:05,994 But hang on just a minute, 300 00:13:06,119 --> 00:13:09,706 because Transformers isn't just a car movie. 301 00:13:09,706 --> 00:13:11,332 Robots and cars. Perfect. 302 00:13:11,458 --> 00:13:14,002 Well there's a lot more to it than that. 303 00:13:15,336 --> 00:13:18,673 And this was Hasbro's chance to make a movie 304 00:13:18,673 --> 00:13:22,052 that this time gets everything right. 305 00:13:22,177 --> 00:13:24,095 Prime, you can't die. 306 00:13:24,095 --> 00:13:26,181 I know people who still cry over the death 307 00:13:26,181 --> 00:13:27,849 of "Optimus Prime" in the movie. 308 00:13:27,849 --> 00:13:30,935 So Hasbro needed to be sure that Michael Bay 309 00:13:30,935 --> 00:13:34,856 wouldn't be responsible for upsetting yet more fans. 310 00:13:34,856 --> 00:13:38,193 {\an8}Steven wanted Michael Bay to work on Transformers, 311 00:13:38,193 --> 00:13:40,820 {\an8}but Michael Bay had done The Island. 312 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:42,113 - The Island. - Yeah, right. 313 00:13:42,113 --> 00:13:43,365 The Island. 314 00:13:43,365 --> 00:13:44,908 An enormous flop. 315 00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:47,118 And as the gatekeepers of this beloved 316 00:13:47,118 --> 00:13:50,372 franchise, Hasbro would be right to wonder... 317 00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:51,498 Um... 318 00:13:51,623 --> 00:13:54,334 ...if Michael Bay was the right choice. 319 00:13:54,459 --> 00:13:55,418 {\an8}He has a reputation. 320 00:13:55,543 --> 00:13:57,379 {\an8}I don't know how much 321 00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,964 {\an8}he paid attention in directing class. 322 00:13:59,964 --> 00:14:02,217 Even Michael Bay himself had doubts. 323 00:14:02,217 --> 00:14:04,302 {\an8}And Michael turned it down. 324 00:14:04,302 --> 00:14:06,179 {\an8}I think he told me he turned it down first. 325 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:08,807 And then he had a meeting with ILM, 326 00:14:08,932 --> 00:14:11,893 Industry heavyweights Industrial Light & Magic 327 00:14:11,893 --> 00:14:14,854 would take on the gargantuan task 328 00:14:14,980 --> 00:14:17,899 of the film's ambitious, overwhelming CGI demands. 329 00:14:17,899 --> 00:14:20,777 And Michael Bay had concerns. 330 00:14:20,902 --> 00:14:23,196 Can robots act? 331 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:26,199 You fail me yet again, star screen. 332 00:14:26,324 --> 00:14:28,034 So I think there was a lot of questioning, like, 333 00:14:28,034 --> 00:14:31,287 "How do we get performances out of these CG constructs 334 00:14:31,413 --> 00:14:34,207 "for the first time in movie history?" 335 00:14:34,207 --> 00:14:35,750 So unwise. 336 00:14:36,918 --> 00:14:38,503 I mean, 'cause you'd had dinosaurs, 337 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:39,796 you had Jurassic Park, 338 00:14:40,922 --> 00:14:43,299 not a robot that had to give the rousing 339 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:45,427 St. Crispin's Day Speech from Henry the V 340 00:14:45,552 --> 00:14:48,096 to rally the troops. You never had that. 341 00:14:48,096 --> 00:14:51,266 We cannot let the humans pay for our mistakes. 342 00:14:51,266 --> 00:14:53,351 But without lips, you can't do mouth. 343 00:14:53,351 --> 00:14:56,521 Without mouth, you can't do speech and emotion. 344 00:14:56,521 --> 00:14:57,439 You know, how do we do this? 345 00:14:57,564 --> 00:14:59,316 But that was somebody else's department. 346 00:14:59,316 --> 00:15:02,527 Precisely. It was Scott Farrar's department 347 00:15:02,652 --> 00:15:06,156 and his problem. Michael Bay needed assurance. 348 00:15:06,156 --> 00:15:08,116 The one thing that Michael said, 349 00:15:08,241 --> 00:15:12,328 are you sure you can make those Transformers for? 350 00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:14,331 And he said, absolutely. 351 00:15:14,331 --> 00:15:16,416 What are you like an alien or something? 352 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:19,127 Michael was also asked about the last time 353 00:15:19,127 --> 00:15:22,922 he'd worked with ILM and that was on The Island . 354 00:15:23,048 --> 00:15:24,966 A contamination alert has been issued. 355 00:15:24,966 --> 00:15:27,469 First meeting he said, Scott, this last movie 356 00:15:27,469 --> 00:15:29,971 that the ILM was working on, you know, 357 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:33,391 you were running out of time because the shots weren't ready 358 00:15:33,516 --> 00:15:35,435 and they weren't looking at, because I said, 359 00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:38,063 Michael had nothing to do with ILM. 360 00:15:38,063 --> 00:15:41,274 And he sort of smiled, he says, okay. 361 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:43,818 From that point forward, 362 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:46,821 we had a really good creative relationship. 363 00:15:46,821 --> 00:15:49,324 Scott had assured Michael and Steven 364 00:15:49,324 --> 00:15:51,076 had assured Hasbro. 365 00:15:51,076 --> 00:15:53,953 And with that, Michael Bay was on board. 366 00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:56,831 But sadly for John, he was off board 367 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:59,834 because Michael Bay brought in a new writing team, 368 00:15:59,834 --> 00:16:02,170 Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orsi. 369 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:04,923 He was already working with Alex and Bob on a previous movie. 370 00:16:04,923 --> 00:16:06,800 - The Island. - You son of a bitch. 371 00:16:06,925 --> 00:16:09,177 A lot of directors do that. They have writers they like. 372 00:16:09,177 --> 00:16:12,347 And so I was like, I, this nearly killed me. Good luck. 373 00:16:12,347 --> 00:16:14,182 And by the way, credit to Bob and Alex 374 00:16:14,182 --> 00:16:16,476 because they had to do the rewrites at a ridiculous speed. 375 00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:19,062 You know, they had to then take Michael's vision 376 00:16:19,062 --> 00:16:21,481 and execute it and while they're prepping, 377 00:16:21,481 --> 00:16:23,149 actually do these rewrites. 378 00:16:23,274 --> 00:16:26,361 While Bob and Alex toiled away on a new draft, 379 00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:29,155 pre-production was in full swing, 380 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,451 conceptualizing the stars of the film. The bots. 381 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:36,162 Ben Proctor and the rest of the talented team 382 00:16:36,287 --> 00:16:38,289 had one almighty task. 383 00:16:38,289 --> 00:16:40,917 We gotta start thinking about how to transform these things. 384 00:16:40,917 --> 00:16:43,336 And with the 2007 premiere date 385 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:46,464 for Transformers already in the calendar, 386 00:16:46,464 --> 00:16:48,466 there was no time to waste. 387 00:16:48,591 --> 00:16:51,261 But people sat down and dutifully did these like series 388 00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:53,388 {\an8}of sketches that showed the progression of 389 00:16:53,388 --> 00:16:55,140 {\an8}how the transformation would work. 390 00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:57,517 Eventually, all that got more or less thrown in the garbage. 391 00:16:57,642 --> 00:17:01,271 Right next to the phrase, "Waste not want not." 392 00:17:01,396 --> 00:17:04,524 And for the designs of the Transformers themselves- 393 00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:08,278 Presenting some of those 70s G1 cars was 394 00:17:08,403 --> 00:17:10,030 already fraught with danger. 395 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:11,489 You know, you got a World War II Jeep, 396 00:17:11,489 --> 00:17:13,491 you got a 60s Volkswagen, 397 00:17:13,491 --> 00:17:15,535 you got a flat nose truck that didn't exist. 398 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:17,579 It did look a bit old. 399 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:21,082 You're old, Megatron. Yesterday's model. 400 00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:23,251 Bumblebee did not have to be a Volkswagen 401 00:17:23,251 --> 00:17:24,461 in Hasbro's eyes. 402 00:17:24,461 --> 00:17:26,337 Hey lighten up, you guys. 403 00:17:26,337 --> 00:17:29,257 Not the most aggressive looking car. 404 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:30,633 I must need an overhaul. 405 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:32,927 They were trying to find a unique look, 406 00:17:32,927 --> 00:17:34,596 one that made sense, you know? 407 00:17:34,721 --> 00:17:39,184 And Michael Bay, he's always like eager for what's coming. 408 00:17:39,184 --> 00:17:41,436 And something perfect was coming. 409 00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:44,606 {\an8}I had been working in a very secret location on the 410 00:17:44,606 --> 00:17:47,651 {\an8}development of an all new Camaro concept car. 411 00:17:47,651 --> 00:17:50,278 And I was contacted by Chevrolet. 412 00:17:50,445 --> 00:17:51,321 They wanted me to show 413 00:17:51,321 --> 00:17:54,699 that very secret project to Michael Bay. 414 00:17:54,699 --> 00:17:56,534 Once Michael saw the car, 415 00:17:56,660 --> 00:17:57,952 I mean instantly he said, 416 00:17:58,078 --> 00:17:59,245 This thing is wicked. 417 00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:00,372 "That's Bumblebee." 418 00:18:00,372 --> 00:18:02,957 But if Bumblebee was a Camaro, 419 00:18:03,083 --> 00:18:05,710 it would only make sense to make Barricade 420 00:18:05,710 --> 00:18:09,255 his Decepticon rival a Ford Mustang. 421 00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:12,467 For Mustang to have the bad guy roll 422 00:18:12,467 --> 00:18:15,970 as a very sinister police car, 423 00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:18,056 okay, you know, that made sense to me. 424 00:18:18,056 --> 00:18:19,391 Well, after all-- 425 00:18:19,391 --> 00:18:22,143 Michael, he's a car guy. He loves cars. 426 00:18:22,268 --> 00:18:24,145 But, did he love Transformers 427 00:18:24,145 --> 00:18:26,356 changing Transformers, willy-nilly? 428 00:18:26,481 --> 00:18:27,524 Oh God, no! 429 00:18:27,524 --> 00:18:28,608 It was really interesting. 430 00:18:28,733 --> 00:18:31,486 We started with these kind of creepy characters 431 00:18:31,653 --> 00:18:34,364 that weren't really looking metallic. 432 00:18:34,364 --> 00:18:35,657 Even the main bad guy 433 00:18:35,657 --> 00:18:38,576 Megatron would be getting a major overhaul. 434 00:18:38,702 --> 00:18:41,121 The biggest changes on Megatron, 435 00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:43,581 where in the 80s he was a real weapon 436 00:18:43,707 --> 00:18:45,250 that was gonna be a no-go. 437 00:18:45,250 --> 00:18:48,253 I am-- 438 00:18:48,253 --> 00:18:49,671 You're not gonna have him turn into a pistol. 439 00:18:49,671 --> 00:18:51,715 There's all the scale issues from the original, you know, 440 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,591 animation that everyone laughs at and they thought 441 00:18:53,591 --> 00:18:56,219 it sort of-- you can't do that stuff in live action. 442 00:18:56,219 --> 00:18:58,555 We had Megatron transform into an aircraft 443 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,099 sort of like an alien spaceship sort of a thing. 444 00:19:01,766 --> 00:19:04,561 Even producer Spielberg got his hands on 445 00:19:04,686 --> 00:19:07,188 transforming these classic characters. 446 00:19:08,732 --> 00:19:11,317 {\an8}Steven thought it would be good if Optimus is 447 00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:12,777 {\an8}transforming from a Mack truck, 448 00:19:12,902 --> 00:19:14,612 {\an8}it'd be good to have the blinkers on him. 449 00:19:14,612 --> 00:19:15,655 So if he's running down the street 450 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:19,326 and he turns left, the left hand blinker goes on. 451 00:19:19,951 --> 00:19:23,163 But how did Hasbro feel about all these changes 452 00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:24,664 to their legacy characters? 453 00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:28,126 We decided we were willing to go for the ride a little bit 454 00:19:28,126 --> 00:19:30,795 and we drew very few lines in the sand. 455 00:19:30,795 --> 00:19:32,714 Well it turns out the line in the sand 456 00:19:32,714 --> 00:19:35,216 was put down by Michael Bay himself. 457 00:19:35,216 --> 00:19:39,262 Michael's number one goal always was, make it look cool. 458 00:19:39,387 --> 00:19:42,098 So Michael had a big blow up. "This is terrible. 459 00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:43,767 "No, no, no. We gotta redesign everything." 460 00:19:43,767 --> 00:19:46,811 So it was a total redesign, top to bottom. 461 00:19:46,811 --> 00:19:49,522 And the problems didn't end there. 462 00:19:49,522 --> 00:19:52,609 Remember what happened to all the work Ben Proctor did, 463 00:19:52,734 --> 00:19:54,277 transforming the bots? 464 00:19:54,402 --> 00:19:56,529 All that got, more or less, thrown in the garbage. 465 00:19:56,529 --> 00:20:00,325 It was VFX supervisor Jason Smith's problem now. 466 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:02,369 {\an8}At the very beginning, I remember us taking 467 00:20:02,369 --> 00:20:04,287 {\an8}the Optimus robot, a beautiful model 468 00:20:04,287 --> 00:20:06,456 that was being worked on, the actual truck 469 00:20:06,456 --> 00:20:08,583 and trying to make one turn into the other. 470 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:11,336 Very literally, like the toy. It doesn't work. 471 00:20:11,461 --> 00:20:13,213 And while the leader of the Autobots 472 00:20:13,213 --> 00:20:14,798 was giving the team trouble, 473 00:20:14,923 --> 00:20:18,510 luckily the designers had a leader of their own. 474 00:20:18,510 --> 00:20:22,222 There was this one fella became kind of our hero guy. 475 00:20:22,222 --> 00:20:25,225 His name was Keiji, and, from Japan. 476 00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:28,853 He was able to visualize ahead of time 477 00:20:28,853 --> 00:20:31,022 what he wanted and how to change these shapes 478 00:20:31,147 --> 00:20:36,111 and move them in a way that was pretty real. 479 00:20:36,277 --> 00:20:39,197 But when Keiji got a look at the prime designs, 480 00:20:39,322 --> 00:20:41,533 he had one mild criticism. 481 00:20:41,533 --> 00:20:44,452 Keiji Yamaguchi stood up in dailies one day, 482 00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:45,870 with Michael Bay in the room, and said- 483 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:47,414 "This model is an embarrassment 484 00:20:47,539 --> 00:20:48,748 to the Japanese people." 485 00:20:48,748 --> 00:20:51,334 Transformers was in trouble. 486 00:20:51,459 --> 00:20:53,586 I'm sure that Jeff Mann probably was a little bit spooked 487 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:55,755 at trying to-- like, how are we gonna solve this 488 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,842 and find this robot language that's never been seen before? 489 00:20:58,842 --> 00:21:01,678 Because as the department head he, it was his responsibility 490 00:21:01,678 --> 00:21:03,138 to make sure it got done. 491 00:21:03,138 --> 00:21:05,140 And they were running out of time. 492 00:21:05,140 --> 00:21:07,267 Autobots, roll out. 493 00:21:13,231 --> 00:21:15,317 {\an8}While the wizards at ILM 494 00:21:15,483 --> 00:21:18,153 {\an8}and the film's art department tried to figure out 495 00:21:18,153 --> 00:21:20,238 {\an8}how to transform the Transformers, 496 00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:27,162 Michael Bay had started hunting for the perfect mix 497 00:21:27,162 --> 00:21:29,372 of heartthrobs and hard asses. 498 00:21:29,497 --> 00:21:31,708 But, there was one character 499 00:21:31,708 --> 00:21:34,127 who would represent Steven Spielberg's main 500 00:21:34,252 --> 00:21:35,628 vision for the movie. 501 00:21:35,628 --> 00:21:38,465 {\an8}Spielberg boiled it down to a boy and his car. 502 00:21:38,465 --> 00:21:40,467 Spielberg had a boy in mind, 503 00:21:40,592 --> 00:21:43,887 thanks to a young actor who dug his way into the spotlight. 504 00:21:44,554 --> 00:21:47,182 Steven Spielberg saw him in Holes. 505 00:21:47,182 --> 00:21:49,184 My name is Stanley Yelnats. 506 00:21:49,184 --> 00:21:51,519 Well technically, it's Shia Leboeuf. 507 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:52,896 And thought he'd be perfect. 508 00:21:52,896 --> 00:21:54,314 I think I might've found something. 509 00:21:54,439 --> 00:21:57,484 He kind of fit the idea of this naive kid-- 510 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:02,197 Who is sort of shocked by what he's found 511 00:22:02,197 --> 00:22:03,907 and goes on this adventure. 512 00:22:03,907 --> 00:22:05,492 But he wouldn't 513 00:22:05,617 --> 00:22:07,202 be adventuring alone. 514 00:22:07,327 --> 00:22:09,496 Sorry, just working out the kinks. It's a new car. 515 00:22:09,496 --> 00:22:11,831 And co-starring along with this boy 516 00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:14,751 and his car would be Megan Fox. 517 00:22:14,876 --> 00:22:17,420 When Megan came into the first Transformers, 518 00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:20,840 I think she was new to Hollywood, fresh from Kentucky. 519 00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:22,926 I don't know how much training she'd had. 520 00:22:22,926 --> 00:22:25,428 Well, there were 48 episodes of 521 00:22:25,428 --> 00:22:28,348 Hope and Faith where she played Sydney Shanowski. 522 00:22:28,348 --> 00:22:30,433 I wanna say goodbye to my dad. 523 00:22:30,558 --> 00:22:32,394 And in case you missed it-- 524 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:34,896 Megan Fox was actually an extra in Bad Boys 2. 525 00:22:35,021 --> 00:22:36,481 She's right... 526 00:22:36,606 --> 00:22:37,732 there. 527 00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:40,527 And in a flash, she's gone. 528 00:22:40,652 --> 00:22:43,238 Megan would play mechanic Mikaela Banes. 529 00:22:43,363 --> 00:22:44,990 But before she was turning wrenches 530 00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:48,243 and dodging Decepticons, Sam's companion was set 531 00:22:48,368 --> 00:22:50,829 to be a very different kind of character. 532 00:22:50,829 --> 00:22:52,455 What kind exactly? 533 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:55,500 The young woman who's the hacker, Rachel Taylor, 534 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,502 in my version, she's 535 00:22:57,752 --> 00:22:59,587 Sam's partner all the way through the movie. 536 00:22:59,587 --> 00:23:00,880 Hold on, it was you? 537 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,926 {\an8}It was basically everyday mechanic guy 538 00:23:04,926 --> 00:23:08,388 {\an8}and you know girl scientist. 539 00:23:08,513 --> 00:23:09,889 Yeah, I have a great female character. 540 00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:12,434 She's a scientist, she's smart, she saves the world, good. 541 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:14,686 You have to let me talk to defense Secretary Keller 542 00:23:14,811 --> 00:23:16,896 before you go to war with the wrong country. 543 00:23:16,896 --> 00:23:20,233 And then basically when the guys came on, they're like, 544 00:23:20,358 --> 00:23:22,777 well we want to put her over here in the science plot line. 545 00:23:22,777 --> 00:23:25,405 So let's give the sort of working class person 546 00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:26,698 that Sam already knows. 547 00:23:26,823 --> 00:23:28,283 So that's the Megan Fox character. 548 00:23:28,408 --> 00:23:29,701 I can't believe that I'm here right now. 549 00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:32,912 Another unexpected edition was Josh Duhamel 550 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:35,915 {\an8}who first heard about the project straight from the top. 551 00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:38,793 {\an8}I was at the time working on a show called "Las Vegas". 552 00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:40,712 My character had just come back from Iraq. 553 00:23:40,837 --> 00:23:42,464 I was suffering from PTSD. 554 00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:43,506 Are you on leave? 555 00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:44,632 Discharged. 556 00:23:44,758 --> 00:23:45,967 It was a Dreamworks show. 557 00:23:46,092 --> 00:23:48,553 Steven Spielberg saw the work that I did on the show 558 00:23:48,553 --> 00:23:50,305 and he recommended to Michael 559 00:23:50,305 --> 00:23:53,475 that he see me for this part of William Lennox. 560 00:23:53,475 --> 00:23:55,602 I couldn't believe that he would actually recommend me 561 00:23:55,727 --> 00:23:57,062 for anything. 562 00:23:57,062 --> 00:23:58,730 And while Josh was flattered 563 00:23:58,730 --> 00:24:00,315 for the opportunity, 564 00:24:00,315 --> 00:24:02,317 he had his own reservations. 565 00:24:02,317 --> 00:24:05,737 Transformers sounds like a terrible idea, you know, 566 00:24:05,862 --> 00:24:06,905 because I remember the cartoon from the 567 00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:08,656 eighties that I grew up on. 568 00:24:08,656 --> 00:24:09,824 Can you transform? 569 00:24:09,824 --> 00:24:12,494 I don't know if I can do it. 570 00:24:12,494 --> 00:24:14,412 Luckily technology 571 00:24:14,412 --> 00:24:16,498 had come a long way since the 80s. 572 00:24:16,623 --> 00:24:18,375 Alright, we gotta get this thing back to the Pentagon right away. 573 00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:19,793 They gotta know what we're dealing with here. 574 00:24:19,793 --> 00:24:21,836 And while Josh was skeptical at first, 575 00:24:21,836 --> 00:24:24,506 Michael Bay doubled down on an actor 576 00:24:24,506 --> 00:24:28,676 he inadvertently double cast in the movie Pearl Harbor. 577 00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:29,928 Uh, matey. 578 00:24:29,928 --> 00:24:32,555 {\an8}We were filming aboard the USS Lexington. 579 00:24:32,681 --> 00:24:33,473 They called me and said, 580 00:24:33,598 --> 00:24:35,600 "We feel like we dropped the ball a bit 581 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,521 because the role Admiral Bull Halsey has been double cast." 582 00:24:39,521 --> 00:24:41,690 They feel Europe is the greater danger, admiral. 583 00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:44,484 And they said, well, Michael really likes your essence 584 00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:47,654 and likes your presence and still wants you in the film. 585 00:24:47,821 --> 00:24:51,324 And Michael just threw some lines my way. 586 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:52,784 So instead of getting on a plane 587 00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:54,703 and leaving, I've gone on to work 588 00:24:54,703 --> 00:24:56,830 with Michael Bay six times. 589 00:24:56,830 --> 00:25:00,000 If you do not comply, we will use deadly force. 590 00:25:00,125 --> 00:25:01,793 By the time I did Transformers , 591 00:25:01,793 --> 00:25:05,088 I had elevated to being the number one military 592 00:25:05,213 --> 00:25:06,798 guy in all of Hollywood. 593 00:25:06,798 --> 00:25:10,385 I played more military roles than anyone living or dead. 594 00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:13,388 Spielberg actually thought he had found me in the military. 595 00:25:13,388 --> 00:25:16,558 And I've had an entire career, not specifically military, 596 00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,518 but anything authority wise. 597 00:25:18,643 --> 00:25:22,021 But casting the earthlings was only part of the challenge. 598 00:25:22,021 --> 00:25:24,733 Finding someone to replicate the almighty prose 599 00:25:24,733 --> 00:25:26,860 of the most eloquent transformer 600 00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:29,487 that Cybertron ever produced-- 601 00:25:29,612 --> 00:25:31,614 Are you Samuel James Witwicky, 602 00:25:31,614 --> 00:25:33,575 descendant of Archibald Witwicky. 603 00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:36,828 Would be impossible. Unless, of course-- 604 00:25:37,078 --> 00:25:38,079 {\an8}Roll out. 605 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:40,081 You get Peter Cullen, 606 00:25:40,081 --> 00:25:42,792 the voice of the original Optimus Prime. 607 00:25:42,917 --> 00:25:45,128 Transform for action. 608 00:25:45,253 --> 00:25:48,131 But for ILM, the speaking Transformers 609 00:25:48,131 --> 00:25:49,841 posed a further challenge 610 00:25:49,966 --> 00:25:52,052 to the current directive from Michael Bay. 611 00:25:52,052 --> 00:25:53,678 We gotta redesign everything. 612 00:25:53,803 --> 00:25:55,722 I think we knew from the start that Optimus would have 613 00:25:55,847 --> 00:25:57,932 to have a face and be able to deliver his lines 614 00:25:58,058 --> 00:26:00,602 and not just muffled through his battle mode mask. 615 00:26:00,602 --> 00:26:05,857 Bah, bah, bah. There's no enunciation, no lips to animate. 616 00:26:05,857 --> 00:26:08,485 The team had to get creative about 617 00:26:08,485 --> 00:26:10,904 how he'd express emotion. 618 00:26:11,071 --> 00:26:14,366 And luckily, Scott had just the solution. 619 00:26:14,491 --> 00:26:17,410 I said we ought to put little metal pieces here on the 620 00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:18,953 upper lip and maybe lower lip, 621 00:26:18,953 --> 00:26:22,791 where we can actually emulate a talking mouth. 622 00:26:22,916 --> 00:26:24,667 My name is Optimus Prime. 623 00:26:24,793 --> 00:26:27,462 He's gotta look elegant and powerful. 624 00:26:27,462 --> 00:26:28,672 Michael liked the idea right away. 625 00:26:28,797 --> 00:26:30,924 And so we just had to figure that out. 626 00:26:30,924 --> 00:26:35,053 Optimus Prime ended up being effectively over 10,000 parts. 627 00:26:35,178 --> 00:26:38,181 But ILM's elaborate plan wasn't 628 00:26:38,181 --> 00:26:41,976 just groundbreaking, it was budget breaking. 629 00:26:41,976 --> 00:26:43,728 Trying to do it for a price 630 00:26:43,728 --> 00:26:47,232 that was reasonable was very, very difficult. 631 00:26:52,737 --> 00:26:55,031 Giving Transformers the ability to emote, 632 00:26:55,031 --> 00:26:58,910 pushed ILM's animators and their budget to the brink. 633 00:26:59,035 --> 00:27:02,163 The solution? The faces behind the pixels. 634 00:27:02,288 --> 00:27:05,083 {\an8}We did some tests using different actors. 635 00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:07,377 I remember we did one with Robert De Niro 636 00:27:07,502 --> 00:27:09,003 and one with Al Pacino. 637 00:27:09,003 --> 00:27:10,755 And how the different voices 638 00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:15,510 and mannerisms based on what the look of the actor was, 639 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:17,721 how it would influence the look of the robot. 640 00:27:17,846 --> 00:27:19,639 Wow, that was tingly. 641 00:27:19,764 --> 00:27:21,808 It was fantastic. It was amazing. 642 00:27:21,933 --> 00:27:24,477 And I think we were also trying to say to Michael, 643 00:27:24,602 --> 00:27:27,772 "Is it a good idea to photograph the voice actor when they're 644 00:27:27,772 --> 00:27:28,940 "doing the acting?" 645 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:30,692 And the answer is, absolutely. 646 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,695 Because we can get nuanced facial animation 647 00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:35,989 derived from whatever they're doing. 648 00:27:35,989 --> 00:27:37,866 The breakthrough came just in time 649 00:27:37,866 --> 00:27:40,493 because ILM still had work to do 650 00:27:40,618 --> 00:27:43,705 on perhaps the most expressive bot in the film. 651 00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:45,081 {\an8}We have to figure out Bumblebee, 652 00:27:45,081 --> 00:27:46,833 {\an8}who's gonna be the heart of the story in so many ways, 653 00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:48,793 and have the relationship to the humans first. 654 00:27:48,793 --> 00:27:50,795 Which would in theory enhance 655 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,716 Spielberg's all important boy and his car plotline. 656 00:27:54,716 --> 00:27:56,760 What is it that's gonna make Bumblebee be really 657 00:27:56,885 --> 00:27:59,179 aspirational and cool to emote all of the sort of feelings 658 00:27:59,304 --> 00:28:01,222 of connection with Sam? 659 00:28:01,222 --> 00:28:02,640 Can you talk? 660 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,017 XM Satellite radio, broadcast, 661 00:28:04,017 --> 00:28:06,478 digital cable 42, broadcasting system. 662 00:28:06,478 --> 00:28:07,771 He's basically a puppy dog. 663 00:28:07,771 --> 00:28:09,522 You know, he's like a lost puppy. 664 00:28:09,647 --> 00:28:11,733 And domesticated dogs present 665 00:28:11,733 --> 00:28:13,902 the same issue as domestic cars. 666 00:28:13,902 --> 00:28:16,529 If they're a main character in a movie. 667 00:28:17,197 --> 00:28:19,199 {\an8}We're going, well, Sam has this car 668 00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:20,659 {\an8}and it does weird stuff. 669 00:28:20,659 --> 00:28:22,202 I sold a car the other day-- 670 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,164 If he can talk to it, it doesn't make sense at all. 671 00:28:26,164 --> 00:28:28,875 And so that gave birth to the idea 672 00:28:28,875 --> 00:28:30,210 that Bumblebee didn't have his voice. 673 00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:31,753 He had lost in the war. 674 00:28:31,753 --> 00:28:33,046 His vocal processes 675 00:28:33,171 --> 00:28:35,048 were damaged in battle. 676 00:28:35,382 --> 00:28:36,966 I'm still working on him. 677 00:28:36,966 --> 00:28:39,594 But it's worth noting this was 678 00:28:39,594 --> 00:28:43,932 a further departure from the original Bumblebee. 679 00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:45,683 Come on, let's go inside. 680 00:28:45,683 --> 00:28:47,102 And come to think of it, 681 00:28:47,102 --> 00:28:48,770 there was another character 682 00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:50,855 who wouldn't be speaking in the movie. 683 00:28:50,855 --> 00:28:53,942 In fact, this one wouldn't be appearing at all. 684 00:28:53,942 --> 00:28:55,986 We always pitched Arcee 'cause there's not a lot 685 00:28:56,111 --> 00:28:57,946 of female Transformers. 686 00:28:58,071 --> 00:29:00,907 {\an8}Michael was like, it cost a million dollars 687 00:29:00,907 --> 00:29:02,575 {\an8}to transform one of these characters. 688 00:29:02,701 --> 00:29:04,077 So we have to be 689 00:29:04,202 --> 00:29:06,538 very strategic about which ones we show. 690 00:29:06,538 --> 00:29:09,040 {\an8}And there just wasn't a place in that movie for her. 691 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,875 So we definitely talked about it. 692 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,253 Well, perhaps that talk will turn 693 00:29:13,253 --> 00:29:15,964 into action if they make another movie. 694 00:29:15,964 --> 00:29:18,967 Principal photography for Transformers began 695 00:29:18,967 --> 00:29:22,679 on schedule at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. 696 00:29:22,804 --> 00:29:26,891 And the Bayhem began from the very first slate. 697 00:29:26,891 --> 00:29:28,935 Slates? 698 00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:31,730 To navigate rushes and sync up picture 699 00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:34,983 and sounds, slates like this are critical. 700 00:29:34,983 --> 00:29:36,901 But Michael Bay didn't think so. 701 00:29:36,901 --> 00:29:39,654 {\an8}Why? Because when he would sit 702 00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:41,948 {\an8}and he would look in the playback 703 00:29:42,073 --> 00:29:44,576 and see the frame, the slate coming in, 704 00:29:44,576 --> 00:29:46,661 it would like ruined it for him. 705 00:29:46,661 --> 00:29:48,163 So he would like, get that outta there. 706 00:29:48,163 --> 00:29:51,124 'Cause he just wants to move and shoot. 707 00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:53,585 But the confusion wasn't just limited 708 00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:57,255 to the post team syncing rushes, The Bayots-- 709 00:29:57,255 --> 00:29:59,215 {\an8}- Bayhem. - Sorry... 710 00:29:59,215 --> 00:30:02,260 {\an8}...Bayhem was everywhere. 711 00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:04,054 {\an8}When I walked on the set of this thing, 712 00:30:04,054 --> 00:30:07,182 {\an8}it was like the most-- it is an absolute-- 713 00:30:10,769 --> 00:30:13,313 It's just the, it's the biggest production you could imagine. 714 00:30:15,357 --> 00:30:18,068 It's just a massive crew. So it's pretty intimidating. 715 00:30:18,068 --> 00:30:21,780 You feel like a tiny cog in a giant machine. 716 00:30:21,905 --> 00:30:25,033 And when it's your time to go, you better be ready. 717 00:30:25,158 --> 00:30:26,826 We're in White Sands, New Mexico. 718 00:30:26,951 --> 00:30:29,371 It took probably two hours to set up this one shot 719 00:30:29,496 --> 00:30:31,831 because it was explosion after explosion. 720 00:30:31,831 --> 00:30:34,000 Cover fire! Move it! 721 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,294 I had to run from one thing and avoiding one explosion. 722 00:30:36,294 --> 00:30:37,796 Laze the target! 723 00:30:37,921 --> 00:30:40,131 We got a beam-rider incoming. Laze target! 724 00:30:40,256 --> 00:30:42,300 Run through another one. 725 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:45,011 I need a credit card! 726 00:30:45,428 --> 00:30:47,013 Run through another explosion. 727 00:30:47,013 --> 00:30:49,808 I get to the end and I have to deliver like, this line. 728 00:30:49,808 --> 00:30:52,227 It wasn't very long, but it was enough to terrify me. 729 00:30:52,352 --> 00:30:54,270 No, I don't want a premium package. 730 00:30:54,562 --> 00:30:55,939 They spent two hours setting up the shot. 731 00:30:55,939 --> 00:30:57,691 If I get to the end, right in front of camera 732 00:30:57,816 --> 00:31:00,110 and I forget my line, he's gonna be so pissed off. 733 00:31:00,402 --> 00:31:03,363 So, in my mind, I don't wanna screw this thing up. 734 00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:05,115 I have to get this right. 735 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,325 Premium line read delivered. 736 00:31:07,325 --> 00:31:10,078 Duhamel had survived. For now. 737 00:31:10,078 --> 00:31:12,205 The adrenaline was just incredibly high. 738 00:31:12,205 --> 00:31:14,374 But anything could set off the-- 739 00:31:14,374 --> 00:31:16,751 - Bayhem. - Yeah, that's right. 740 00:31:16,751 --> 00:31:19,754 Especially an empty stomach. 741 00:31:20,755 --> 00:31:22,215 {\an8}5:30, 6:00... 742 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:24,884 {\an8}Michael starts to get kind of agitated. 743 00:31:24,884 --> 00:31:27,011 When Michael needs something to eat-- 744 00:31:27,137 --> 00:31:28,763 He's getting, he's getting hangry. 745 00:31:28,888 --> 00:31:31,850 And so, the chef would make him a milkshake 746 00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:33,852 and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich 747 00:31:33,852 --> 00:31:35,228 and we'd be like, we'd hear on the walkie 748 00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:37,355 Bayhem, Bayhem, Bayhem. 749 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,232 And that meant that it was time for Michael 750 00:31:39,232 --> 00:31:40,191 to have his peanut butter and jelly sandwich. 751 00:31:40,317 --> 00:31:42,235 And he would do it. It would neutralize him 752 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,111 and he'd be all good. 753 00:31:43,111 --> 00:31:45,113 Even the script was subject 754 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,657 to Michael Bay's ways. 755 00:31:47,782 --> 00:31:49,075 Michael likes to sit behind the camera 756 00:31:49,075 --> 00:31:50,910 and shout out ideas. Like, dah, dah, dah, say this. 757 00:31:51,036 --> 00:31:52,162 The script is sort of-- 758 00:31:54,706 --> 00:31:56,291 I need you to say something. 759 00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:59,461 My God. 760 00:31:59,586 --> 00:32:02,130 {\an8}He looks at me and I said, 761 00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:05,133 {\an8}"Well, Jesus on a Popsicle stick," and just held that look. 762 00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:09,220 And he goes, "Jesus on a Popsicle stick? What? 763 00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:10,805 "What does that even mean?" 764 00:32:10,805 --> 00:32:13,475 And I looked at him and said, "I do not know." 765 00:32:20,148 --> 00:32:23,401 nickname on set was Bayhem for a (Narratoreason.ael Bay's 766 00:32:23,401 --> 00:32:27,238 But the Transformer's director was surprisingly hands off 767 00:32:27,364 --> 00:32:29,824 when it came to the aerial photography. 768 00:32:29,949 --> 00:32:32,869 {\an8}He doesn't really do anything with us on the aerial thing 769 00:32:32,994 --> 00:32:35,830 because he doesn't like to fly that much. 770 00:32:35,955 --> 00:32:37,916 It was Bay's fear of flying, 771 00:32:37,916 --> 00:32:40,919 that protected aerial DP, David Nowell 772 00:32:41,044 --> 00:32:44,923 from total Bayhem at 10,000 feet. 773 00:32:44,923 --> 00:32:47,300 But the sky was not the limit 774 00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:50,345 for Bay's relentless mission impossible demands. 775 00:32:50,595 --> 00:32:51,638 "Get me what I need. 776 00:32:51,638 --> 00:32:54,140 "I don't know what it is, but you know what it is. 777 00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:55,350 "Go get it." 778 00:32:55,475 --> 00:32:58,019 Somehow, Nowell always got it, 779 00:32:58,144 --> 00:33:01,690 whatever "it" was, while losing it. 780 00:33:01,690 --> 00:33:04,359 It drives me nuts because he doesn't know what he wants. 781 00:33:04,484 --> 00:33:06,194 You know, I have to figure it out and make it up. 782 00:33:06,194 --> 00:33:08,488 But he can be a real pain in the ass. 783 00:33:08,613 --> 00:33:11,866 Well, there was one shot they knew he wanted, 784 00:33:11,991 --> 00:33:13,284 he just didn't know when. 785 00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:15,203 He said, go get me this really cool 786 00:33:15,203 --> 00:33:17,872 shot of the sand dunes. I might use it later on. 787 00:33:18,456 --> 00:33:20,792 And he meant later on, as in, 788 00:33:20,792 --> 00:33:22,502 later on in another movie. 789 00:33:22,627 --> 00:33:24,838 His company's called Platinum Dunes. 790 00:33:24,838 --> 00:33:28,091 Part of it was used for the POV of a drone coming in. 791 00:33:28,216 --> 00:33:30,385 It's the beginning of his movies that are produced 792 00:33:30,385 --> 00:33:32,053 by Platinum Dunes. 793 00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:33,930 But there were some things Michael Bay 794 00:33:33,930 --> 00:33:35,223 didn't know he needed. 795 00:33:35,223 --> 00:33:37,350 We need to get something done sometimes is like, 796 00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:38,518 "We gotta talk to Ian." 797 00:33:38,643 --> 00:33:40,103 Producer Ian Bryce, 798 00:33:40,103 --> 00:33:43,022 an expert on delivering Bay-sized demands, 799 00:33:43,022 --> 00:33:45,984 like access to the Hoover Dam and the Pentagon. 800 00:33:45,984 --> 00:33:47,485 One of the best producers in the business. 801 00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:50,196 Ian is probably, yeah, one of the secret weapons on that. 802 00:33:50,321 --> 00:33:52,032 Yeah, he's got a lot of influence with 803 00:33:52,157 --> 00:33:54,075 a lot of people's stuff and he jumps in 804 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,410 and you know, gets it done. 805 00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:56,953 In Southern California, 806 00:33:56,953 --> 00:34:00,206 Bryce opened the dome of the Griffith Observatory. 807 00:34:00,332 --> 00:34:02,917 Michael had sent us out to get a shot. 808 00:34:03,043 --> 00:34:04,836 Again, we didn't quite know what it is he wanted. 809 00:34:04,961 --> 00:34:06,254 He says, I'm gonna be putting robots there, 810 00:34:06,254 --> 00:34:07,422 they're gonna be sitting there talking. 811 00:34:07,422 --> 00:34:09,841 So, as long as I keep the camera moving, 812 00:34:09,841 --> 00:34:12,093 whether it's a dolly shot or high to low, 813 00:34:12,093 --> 00:34:14,929 or if I just went there and did a static shot of that, 814 00:34:14,929 --> 00:34:16,848 he doesn't like that stuff. 815 00:34:16,848 --> 00:34:19,267 But there was no time to waste. 816 00:34:19,267 --> 00:34:22,228 As shooting progressed at a breakneck pace... 817 00:34:22,353 --> 00:34:25,231 {\an8}Many times, you know, you have one take. 818 00:34:25,357 --> 00:34:27,942 There's not gonna be a second take if you miss it. 819 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,153 ...Bay found himself stretched across 820 00:34:30,278 --> 00:34:33,448 multiple scenes in multiple locations. 821 00:34:33,573 --> 00:34:35,450 We were waiting and waiting for Michael 822 00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:37,827 and then all of a sudden Michael roars up 823 00:34:37,827 --> 00:34:40,955 {\an8}and just goes, "Why are we not shooting? Let's go." 824 00:34:40,955 --> 00:34:43,083 But you've been waiting there for hours for him. 825 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:45,585 And Howard Berger was on set 826 00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:48,797 because Michael Bay's commitment to realism called 827 00:34:48,922 --> 00:34:51,257 for puppets when possible. 828 00:34:51,383 --> 00:34:55,095 With Scorponok, it was a traditional operated puppet. 829 00:34:55,220 --> 00:34:57,055 You know, cable operated and so forth. 830 00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:59,432 And then we had this big giant tail section 831 00:34:59,557 --> 00:35:01,017 that could do all this stuff, 832 00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:03,019 but it was really gigantic and really segmented. 833 00:35:03,019 --> 00:35:05,313 So Michael had us build a full-sized head 834 00:35:05,313 --> 00:35:06,564 that comes out of the sand. 835 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:08,149 On this Michael Bay set, 836 00:35:08,149 --> 00:35:09,859 sparks were flying. 837 00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:11,319 In every sense. 838 00:35:11,444 --> 00:35:13,238 These are real things that were exploding around you. 839 00:35:13,405 --> 00:35:14,447 Incoming! 840 00:35:16,908 --> 00:35:18,034 And those are real reactions. 841 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:20,412 Shells of these guns, 842 00:35:20,412 --> 00:35:21,496 they weren't shooting anything, 843 00:35:21,496 --> 00:35:22,998 but the shells would still pop out. 844 00:35:23,123 --> 00:35:25,417 And they were super hot. 845 00:35:25,417 --> 00:35:27,168 {\an8}So hot that they would stick to your neck. 846 00:35:27,168 --> 00:35:29,003 {\an8}And I'd be like, oh my God. 847 00:35:29,003 --> 00:35:31,297 Left cheek! Left cheek! Left cheek! 848 00:35:31,297 --> 00:35:35,135 {\an8}Live, real time, action. 849 00:35:35,135 --> 00:35:37,595 Michael Bay is completely ridiculous. 850 00:35:37,595 --> 00:35:39,264 I never seen this in my life. 851 00:35:39,264 --> 00:35:40,974 Like every day I was just like-- 852 00:35:40,974 --> 00:35:42,475 If you seen this shit-- 853 00:35:42,475 --> 00:35:43,935 This is so overwhelming. 854 00:35:46,604 --> 00:35:48,023 I think all around it just makes 855 00:35:48,148 --> 00:35:50,025 for a more authentic performance. 856 00:35:50,025 --> 00:35:53,111 And Michael Bay's commitment to authenticity 857 00:35:53,111 --> 00:35:56,031 extended all the way to the US military. 858 00:35:56,156 --> 00:35:57,949 The Air Force told us, what do you need? 859 00:35:57,949 --> 00:36:00,368 So he had F35's, F16's and stuff. 860 00:36:00,368 --> 00:36:02,370 Whatever it is that Michael wants, 861 00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:03,872 they pretty much let him have it. 862 00:36:03,997 --> 00:36:06,166 Michael Bay has literally became 863 00:36:06,166 --> 00:36:08,209 the biggest commercial 864 00:36:08,335 --> 00:36:10,336 for all things military. 865 00:36:10,336 --> 00:36:12,005 We don't take orders from people that don't exist. 866 00:36:12,005 --> 00:36:13,131 Simmons? 867 00:36:13,131 --> 00:36:15,050 - Yes, sir? - I'd do what he says. 868 00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:17,886 By now, you've probably noticed-- 869 00:36:18,011 --> 00:36:21,014 {\an8}Everything is all real. 870 00:36:22,557 --> 00:36:26,019 Every explosion, they're all real. 871 00:36:26,019 --> 00:36:27,479 He does that stuff real. 872 00:36:27,479 --> 00:36:29,189 In real cities. 873 00:36:29,189 --> 00:36:31,441 I don't think he really told them how much explosions were 874 00:36:31,566 --> 00:36:34,444 gonna go on in the middle of a street, you know, 875 00:36:34,569 --> 00:36:36,529 in downtown Los Angeles. 876 00:36:36,655 --> 00:36:38,448 And it looked a lot more real. 877 00:36:38,573 --> 00:36:40,533 And if you ask Shia LaBeouf, 878 00:36:40,659 --> 00:36:42,410 real, real high. 879 00:36:42,535 --> 00:36:46,456 Is it fear or courage that compels you? 880 00:36:46,998 --> 00:36:48,500 We were shooting at the top 881 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,043 of one of the buildings in downtown LA 882 00:36:50,043 --> 00:36:51,294 and it's with Shia LaBeouf. 883 00:36:51,419 --> 00:36:54,214 And he gets up and he's going around this 884 00:36:54,339 --> 00:36:56,257 corner piece of the building. 885 00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:59,386 I remember looking at the harness going, I can't believe it. 886 00:36:59,511 --> 00:37:01,262 I just can't believe he's doing this. 887 00:37:01,262 --> 00:37:03,014 And that's what Michael wanted him for. 888 00:37:03,014 --> 00:37:05,517 He thought, this kid will do stuff for me. 889 00:37:05,517 --> 00:37:08,228 And there's a shot overhead and it's all real. 890 00:37:08,228 --> 00:37:10,647 You can see it's eight stories down 891 00:37:10,647 --> 00:37:12,399 and there's people walking, there's traffic going. 892 00:37:12,524 --> 00:37:14,109 They don't even know what's going on up there. 893 00:37:14,109 --> 00:37:15,568 Michael said, do it again. Do it again. 894 00:37:15,694 --> 00:37:17,570 And probably about six takes in, 895 00:37:17,696 --> 00:37:19,239 Michael says, "Okay, let's start from the top." 896 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,657 And he's literally still hanging off the back. 897 00:37:20,782 --> 00:37:22,701 And he goes, "Michael, I'm done." 898 00:37:22,826 --> 00:37:25,286 "I'm done. I'm done." So then he, you know, and then 899 00:37:25,286 --> 00:37:26,621 Michael said, "Okay, we got it." 900 00:37:26,621 --> 00:37:29,624 But for all the realism Michael Bay 901 00:37:29,624 --> 00:37:31,960 was striving to add to Transformers , 902 00:37:32,085 --> 00:37:33,712 there was that one thing. 903 00:37:33,837 --> 00:37:36,589 {\an8}This model is an embarrassment to the Japanese people. 904 00:37:36,715 --> 00:37:39,592 And Michael Bay's main problem fell far short 905 00:37:39,592 --> 00:37:41,177 of his need for realism. 906 00:37:41,177 --> 00:37:43,304 {\an8}I was tasked with, you know, figuring out 907 00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:44,681 {\an8}how to rig the robots 908 00:37:44,806 --> 00:37:46,975 and how to get the transformations going as well. 909 00:37:46,975 --> 00:37:49,060 We had never done anything like that before. 910 00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:51,062 What in the universe is going on here? 911 00:37:51,062 --> 00:37:53,565 And while ILM had been struggling 912 00:37:53,565 --> 00:37:55,191 with this particular problem, 913 00:37:56,568 --> 00:37:58,403 luckily, Jason had a solution. 914 00:37:58,403 --> 00:38:00,113 I wrote a series of tools 915 00:38:00,113 --> 00:38:02,657 I called at the time TFM. Transformation, right? 916 00:38:02,824 --> 00:38:06,327 And the transformation tools let an animator push a button 917 00:38:06,453 --> 00:38:08,496 and then hinges appeared and they could place those hinges. 918 00:38:08,496 --> 00:38:10,373 I'll put one hinge along the side of the window, 919 00:38:10,498 --> 00:38:13,001 I'll put one hinge right in the middle so I can spin the window. 920 00:38:13,001 --> 00:38:16,629 I don't think anybody had actually done mechanical rigging 921 00:38:16,629 --> 00:38:19,674 in animation at this scale, like we did on that movie. 922 00:38:19,674 --> 00:38:22,802 The TFM tool was the fix they needed, 923 00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:24,471 even if the producers 924 00:38:24,596 --> 00:38:26,681 weren't happy blowing up a fixed budget. 925 00:38:26,806 --> 00:38:29,601 I was explaining to the producers like, we have to 926 00:38:29,601 --> 00:38:31,686 go back through every robot and put these little things 927 00:38:31,686 --> 00:38:35,065 inside the rig so that they can accept TFM animation. 928 00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:37,442 And people were like, we're not budgeted for this. 929 00:38:37,442 --> 00:38:39,152 Why didn't we know this before? 930 00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:41,363 It's like, well, we didn't know how to do any of this. 931 00:38:41,488 --> 00:38:43,114 Jason had cracked the code, 932 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,534 but it was about to crack the budget wide open. 933 00:38:52,248 --> 00:38:54,501 With the release date rushing towards them, 934 00:38:54,501 --> 00:38:58,213 Transformers had a potentially big problem. 935 00:38:58,338 --> 00:39:01,549 {\an8}ILM had figured out how to animate the Transformers, 936 00:39:01,675 --> 00:39:05,804 but had left the producers to figure out how to pay for it. 937 00:39:05,929 --> 00:39:07,389 What are you adding? Why are you doing this? 938 00:39:07,389 --> 00:39:08,723 Why are you complicating things? 939 00:39:08,723 --> 00:39:10,392 {\an8}Why didn't we know this before? 940 00:39:10,392 --> 00:39:12,811 {\an8}It's like, well, we didn't know how to do any of this. 941 00:39:12,811 --> 00:39:16,147 Transformers was officially over budget, 942 00:39:16,147 --> 00:39:17,190 but some things 943 00:39:17,315 --> 00:39:18,358 are worth blowing up. 944 00:39:18,358 --> 00:39:23,071 VFX budget aside, Michael Bay was finally happy. 945 00:39:23,196 --> 00:39:24,239 But then again-- 946 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,615 Robots encouraged. Perfect. 947 00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:27,534 Michael Bay might've been happy, 948 00:39:27,659 --> 00:39:31,579 but keeping it real made things real hard for ILM. 949 00:39:31,579 --> 00:39:34,249 Specifically, adding digital robots 950 00:39:34,249 --> 00:39:36,209 to Bay's practical explosions. 951 00:39:36,334 --> 00:39:37,836 It wasn't easy for ILM because, 952 00:39:37,836 --> 00:39:39,754 and they often had to take out half the smoke, 953 00:39:39,754 --> 00:39:42,257 put a robot in, and then put the smoke back on. 954 00:39:42,382 --> 00:39:46,136 {\an8}It's crazy how complicated a smoke looks 955 00:39:46,261 --> 00:39:47,554 when you start seeing it animated 956 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:49,389 moving frame to frame. 957 00:39:49,389 --> 00:39:51,266 And you've gotta match the look 958 00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:54,102 or put something in there where it's casting shadows. 959 00:39:54,102 --> 00:39:56,855 And then that's what makes it so cool, 960 00:39:56,855 --> 00:39:58,440 I think, when you actually watch it, 961 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,568 is that they feel like they're more organic. 962 00:40:01,693 --> 00:40:03,486 {\an8}I think he put 'em through their paces on that one. 963 00:40:03,611 --> 00:40:06,573 {\an8}I don't think they made any money on that movie. 964 00:40:06,573 --> 00:40:08,450 It cost them so much to deliver. 965 00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:09,784 Despite the costs, 966 00:40:09,784 --> 00:40:12,454 ILM had gone above and beyond. 967 00:40:12,454 --> 00:40:14,331 This is easily a hundred times cooler 968 00:40:14,456 --> 00:40:16,249 than Armageddon , I swear to God. 969 00:40:16,249 --> 00:40:19,169 Pushing hard all the way to the finish line. 970 00:40:19,169 --> 00:40:21,880 Well, three frames short of the finish line. 971 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,383 I remember this panicking call from a producer at ILM 972 00:40:25,508 --> 00:40:28,636 going, we're outputting this shot for a week 973 00:40:28,636 --> 00:40:30,764 and we're three frame short. 974 00:40:30,889 --> 00:40:32,265 Can you fix it for me? 975 00:40:33,475 --> 00:40:35,643 And she was like literally in tears. 976 00:40:35,643 --> 00:40:37,312 And I said, okay, I'll do it. 977 00:40:37,437 --> 00:40:39,898 And I just took the shot that before it 978 00:40:40,023 --> 00:40:42,108 and just made that shot three frames longer. 979 00:40:42,233 --> 00:40:43,693 'cause we couldn't screw the timing up 980 00:40:43,818 --> 00:40:45,487 for the music and sound. 981 00:40:45,487 --> 00:40:47,697 Everything was already half mixed. 982 00:40:47,697 --> 00:40:49,240 And I didn't tell Michael. 983 00:40:49,407 --> 00:40:51,701 Three frames probably weren't worth 984 00:40:51,701 --> 00:40:53,620 unleashing a Baypocalypse. 985 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:56,164 Besides, it was time for a Baywatch. 986 00:40:56,164 --> 00:40:59,334 We went up to Michael's house, watched the movie 987 00:40:59,334 --> 00:41:01,336 with Spielberg for the first time. 988 00:41:01,461 --> 00:41:03,505 Spielberg had taken a big risk 989 00:41:03,505 --> 00:41:07,258 on Transformers . The stakes were high. 990 00:41:07,258 --> 00:41:09,219 Pull out our notepads, right? 991 00:41:09,219 --> 00:41:11,763 Don't wanna miss a line Steven Spielberg says, right? 992 00:41:11,763 --> 00:41:13,306 And then he said. 993 00:41:13,306 --> 00:41:15,850 - He wanted to tone down Shia. - Why? 994 00:41:15,850 --> 00:41:17,894 He didn't want Shia to run the show too much, 995 00:41:18,019 --> 00:41:19,437 if you know what I mean. 996 00:41:19,437 --> 00:41:21,356 And here we have some of the basic instruments 997 00:41:21,356 --> 00:41:23,358 and tools used by 19th century seamen. 998 00:41:24,859 --> 00:41:28,446 He would say, "A little bit of Shia is a lot of Shia." 999 00:41:28,446 --> 00:41:30,365 That was his line. 1000 00:41:30,365 --> 00:41:32,992 But the question everyone had was, 1001 00:41:33,118 --> 00:41:34,911 what would Hasbro think? 1002 00:41:35,036 --> 00:41:38,456 {\an8}That's when we found out about Optimus having a sword arm. 1003 00:41:40,375 --> 00:41:43,878 It was what Hasbro feared futzing with an icon. 1004 00:41:43,878 --> 00:41:45,797 Optimus Prime doesn't have a-- 1005 00:41:45,922 --> 00:41:48,341 And we're like we can make that. 1006 00:41:48,466 --> 00:41:50,927 Not only can we put that in toys, but we can make a sword. 1007 00:41:51,052 --> 00:41:52,721 So seeing that early cut 1008 00:41:52,721 --> 00:41:54,681 actually put things into production. 1009 00:41:54,681 --> 00:41:56,725 Not only that, Aaron got to include 1010 00:41:56,725 --> 00:41:58,768 a fan favorite from yesteryear. 1011 00:41:58,768 --> 00:42:03,565 We also suggested a transformer iconic line. 1012 00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:07,485 One shall stand, one shall fall. 1013 00:42:07,485 --> 00:42:10,447 We saw an opportunity for that and we told them about it. 1014 00:42:10,447 --> 00:42:13,241 And that's how that got put into movie one. 1015 00:42:13,241 --> 00:42:16,828 At the end of this day, one shall stand, 1016 00:42:16,828 --> 00:42:18,413 one shall fall. 1017 00:42:18,538 --> 00:42:19,914 But now it was time to find out 1018 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,751 if Transformers and Michael Bay would be the ones 1019 00:42:22,751 --> 00:42:24,711 standing or falling. 1020 00:42:24,711 --> 00:42:26,880 You still fight for the weak. 1021 00:42:27,005 --> 00:42:29,424 That is why you lose. 1022 00:42:30,175 --> 00:42:32,427 This meant a lot to the stock price. 1023 00:42:32,427 --> 00:42:35,305 This meant a lot to future partnership. It was stressful. 1024 00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:36,723 And don't forget the base. 1025 00:42:36,723 --> 00:42:39,351 {\an8}Those animated shows, that's the base. 1026 00:42:39,351 --> 00:42:41,519 It had been more than 20 years 1027 00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:43,897 since they'd seen the Transformers on screen. 1028 00:42:44,022 --> 00:42:46,691 Chances are they would be expecting this. 1029 00:42:46,816 --> 00:42:48,652 I want you to make a special run 1030 00:42:48,652 --> 00:42:50,362 to Autobot city on Earth. 1031 00:42:50,362 --> 00:42:52,572 But instead, would get this. 1032 00:42:52,697 --> 00:42:55,575 You hold the key to Earth's survival. 1033 00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:57,827 {\an8}You make these things and you hope that they're gonna do well. 1034 00:42:57,952 --> 00:43:00,622 {\an8}And sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. 1035 00:43:00,622 --> 00:43:02,749 {\an8}The sense of responsibility to the franchise, 1036 00:43:02,749 --> 00:43:04,709 to these characters, oh my God. 1037 00:43:04,709 --> 00:43:06,711 But also they had a responsibility 1038 00:43:06,711 --> 00:43:08,046 to their director, 1039 00:43:08,171 --> 00:43:10,507 whether they agreed with his vision or not. 1040 00:43:10,632 --> 00:43:11,883 We all had a tough job 1041 00:43:11,883 --> 00:43:13,468 working for Michael, to keep that guy happy, right? 1042 00:43:13,593 --> 00:43:14,969 Because he has incredibly high standards. 1043 00:43:14,969 --> 00:43:16,388 He knows what he wants. 1044 00:43:16,388 --> 00:43:18,473 But, was it what the fans wanted? 1045 00:43:18,598 --> 00:43:21,434 Would an 80s cartoon become a new millennium 1046 00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,311 milestone in filmmaking? 1047 00:43:23,311 --> 00:43:26,815 Or, would the Bayhem of Michael Bay take down 1048 00:43:26,815 --> 00:43:28,692 the Autobots and Decepticons 1049 00:43:28,817 --> 00:43:32,737 before they could transform into big bucks at the box office 1050 00:43:32,737 --> 00:43:34,614 for a whole new generation? 82400

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