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'In 1964,
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'Granada Television brought together
a group of seven-year-olds.'
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When I grow up,
I want to be an astronaut.
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'We have followed their lives,
every seven years.'
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I don't want to keep still.
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Life don't wait for nobody.
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'They talked about their dreams...'
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If I could,
I'd have two girls and two boys.
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'Their ambitions...'
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I would quite like to go
into politics.
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'And their fears for the future.'
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Life is what happens while you're
waiting for something else.
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I don't think life is there
to be regretted.
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You got to make the most of it
while you've got it.
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That's how you become
the person you are.
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It's a picture of how any person...
how they change.
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Give me a child until he is seven
and I will give you the man.
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Is it important to fight?
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Yes.
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'Tony was brought up
in the East End of London.'
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I want to be a jockey
when I grow up.
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Yeah, I want to be a jockey
when I grow up!
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'At 14, he was already
an apprentice
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'at Tommy Gosling's
racing stable at Epsom.'
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'At 14, he'd left school.'
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This is a photo finish
when I rode at Newbury.
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I'm the one with the white cap.
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I was beaten a length
and a half for third
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and had a photo finish.
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Do you regret not making it?
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I would have given my right arm
at the time to become a jockey.
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But now...
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..I wasn't good enough.
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My greatest fulfilment in life...
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..when I rode at Kempton in the
same race as Lester Piggott.
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Proudest day of my life.
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What will you do
if you don't make it as a jockey?
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I don't know.
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If I knew I couldn't be one,
I would get out of the game.
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Wouldn't bother.
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What do you think you would do then?
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Learn on taxis.
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'At 21, he was on The Knowledge.
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'And by 28, he owned his own cab.'
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I'll give you the story,
which happened.
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The doorman called me up
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and it was Buzz Aldrin,
the spaceman.
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And we drove out of the forecourt
of the hotel
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and a cab pulled up and taxi driver
said,
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"Can you get his autograph?"
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So I heard it and say,
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"Mr Aldrin, can I have your
autograph, please?"
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And the cabbie said,
"No, I don't want his autograph,
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"I want your autograph."
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And I couldn't believe it and
I said, "You're joking, ain't ya?!"
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And to this day,
I thought to myself,
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"I'm more famous than
Buzz Aldrin!
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"He was the second man
to land on the moon!"
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'At 42, Tony had left the East End
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'and moved the family
to Woodford in Essex.'
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Well, I think we overspent about...
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Well, a colossal amount.
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Thousands.
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'At 49, they had taken out a second
mortgage on the London house
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'and put the money into
a holiday home in Spain.'
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So, it's seven years
since we did this.
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Flown by, Michael.
Just gone.
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What's life been like
since we did 56 UP?
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Well, when we had our last
interview, if you remember,
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I was in Spain and I was looking
for a business to sort of set up.
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From here, there's going to be
all commercial units here.
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My intentions would be to turn one
of these units into a sports bar.
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Did you have financial difficulties?
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There was no money out there.
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All the businesses started to close.
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Aldi had come along and built
a brand-new supermarket there.
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So all my aspirations
and dreams went out the window.
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People kept coming back
from their dream, also evaporating,
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and they come back.
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So, my wife and I decided
to pack up and come back
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and sell our house and consolidate
all our finances.
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I wish I was still there.
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And I wish it was a vibrant city
which I could have had an input in.
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Because I would have loved to have
maintained my property out there.
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It was a dream come true
for a boy in the buildings.
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You must understand.
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I'm only a cabbie.
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Have you got a girlfriend?
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Nope.
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Would you like to have a girlfriend?
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Nope.
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Do you understand the four Fs?
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Find them, feed them...
And forget them.
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For the other F I'll let you
use your own discriminish...
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I mean, this one,
I tried to do the three Fs...
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..but I couldn't forget her.
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And why did you
fall in love with him?
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Dunno.
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I don't know how you put up with me
for so long.
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I don't know how. Sometimes,
I don't know how I stand him.
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I'm not proud at all
to say this,
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but situations arise that...
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..I have had regretful
behaviour at various times.
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But...
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Through...
You got caught.
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Yeah, all right...
And that was it.
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I owe Debbie everything
because she stuck by me.
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And then...
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..at the end of it...
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..I still love her so.
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And that's the reason why.
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So, is this a tough time
for cabbies at the moment?
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Uber and all these other companies
trying to take a piece of the cake
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they're coming in and they're
getting licenses willy-nilly.
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Is there are war going on
between cabbies and Uber?
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What they've done to the cab trade
with a 240-year-old history
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I cannot stress enough.
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So, all the cabbies, 4,000 of us,
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we got our placards,
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we marched to Downing Street
on a demonstration.
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And, er, I for one
will be there again,
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beating my drum
for the black taxi trade.
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How much have you lost
in yearly salary?
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I would certainly say a third,
which is a big kick in the rear.
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And it's really hurtful.
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And what about Debbie?
Has she been hit by it?
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Well, of course!
We've all been hit by it.
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That's why I'm back in Essex now.
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Come on, Daisy. Come on.
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Look at the head on that horse.
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Ah, lovely.
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Really, it was me.
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I decided that I wanted to move
from where we used to live.
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And I come up here one day
and this one was up for sale.
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And then he came up here...
I saw the horses.
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And he saw the horses out here
and he fell in love with it.
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You've got to be 40 years old
to live here,
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you got a lot of elderly
people here,
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but there are ex-old East Enders
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and they're all sort of like,
you know, traditional East Enders.
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It's all forest round here.
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Got a little pub up the road,
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if you go up there
you can get pie-eyed
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and walk down if you want.
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Nature is the winner for me.
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I come home at night,
I see foxes running about,
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reindeers at one o'clock
in the morning
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after I done a night's work
in my cab.
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Life couldn't be better,
really, living up here.
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How is life going for you two?
In your marriage?
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It's solid.
Would you say it's solid?
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Yeah.
It's good at the moment. Yeah.
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We've overcome a lot of ups
and downs, but who don't?
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Do you notice a change
in each other?
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Have we? Or what? I don't know.
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Not really.
He's never changed, has he?
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He seems to me more grown-up,
more mature and everything.
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Yeah, well,
I don't know about that, but...
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But no, I mean, he is what he is.
And nothing's gonna change him.
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There is only one ambition
I have, really.
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I want a baby son.
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If I see my baby son,
that will be my ambition fulfilled.
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No-one knows that. Only you, now.
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'Debbie and Tony
have three children.
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'Nicky, Jodie and Perry.'
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Nicky, as you know,
he was a French polisher,
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which is a dying trade in England.
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So we funded him, me and Debbie,
on The Knowledge.
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I couldn't ask for more.
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To be more proud
when he got his badge,
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it was... it was a gift from God
for what happened.
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Perry's at college at the moment.
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Training to be a TA,
teacher's assistant.
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Because she wants a job that
fits in with the schools.
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High five?
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Whoever wins gets
a packet of sweets, agree?
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We've got six grandchildren.
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The three young kids,
Perry's kids, my youngest daughter.
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Quick!
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If it goes in, you get a fiver!
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Jodie's still trying
to find her way in life.
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She's 37 now.
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Life's not been too good for her
at this present time.
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Debbie and I do everything we can
to get her back on her feet and...
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Excuse me.
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When you visually see it happening,
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you can see the change
in her attitude,
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you can see the change
in her appearance,
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it's not a nice place to be.
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Watching your daughter struggle.
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'Jodie has a daughter, Toni.'
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Debbie and I brought her up, solely.
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All I can say is,
she's turned out beautiful.
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We're very proud of Toni,
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she's had to overcome a lot
in her life,
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but she's doing well.
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Do you know all the girls
and all the kids that are going?
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She works hard in the pub,
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she saves her own money,
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she's got her own independence.
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An old head on young shoulders,
Michael.
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She's very, very efficient.
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I'm in two golf societies.
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And who are the guys
you play with?
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Well, they're mostly publicans
or taxi drivers, you know.
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We always end up, you know,
have a small bet.
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It's good.
Great shot! Great shot.
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A tenner a man, OK?
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No, Tone, no. Fiver.
You took our money last week.
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Give us all a chance, would you?
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That's got 460 on the metre,
that has.
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So, how is your health these days?
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I've got DVT,
which is deep vein thrombosis,
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a condition from my family,
from my brother,
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my sister,
we've all been affected by DVT
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and I'm on warfarin now
for the rest of my life
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because I did have
a pulmonary embolism
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which I had a blockage
and it went to my lung.
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If it had gone to my brain,
or my heart,
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then I wouldn't be having this
interview with you now.
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Nice one. That's in.
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I'm more health conscientious
than I've ever been, really.
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Well, you ain't,
cos you eat a lot of chocolate.
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Well, I accept that,
that's fair enough.
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That's not health-conscious, is it?
All right, I'll give you that one.
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But I don't smoke and I don't drink
and trust me, I exercise.
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Most of all, I don't do any...
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What do they call it?
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Yeah, all right.
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That's machinery under there, too.
That's not... That's not mine.
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'In 1964, we asked Tony
what he thought
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'about the English class system.'
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The posh 'uns:
"Oh, yes, oh, yes, oh, yes."
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They're nuts!
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Just have to Tash 'em.
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If you've got to work for it
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and it's them,
you just ask for money and get it.
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And they can buy what they want.
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54 to 20, Boris.
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I'm one of the tail end.
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You think East End boy, you know,
he ain't got a no good education.
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All of a sudden,
the East End boy's got a car,
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motorbike
and goes to Spain every year.
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There is no education in this world.
245
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It's just one big rat race
246
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and you've got to kill your man next
to you to get in front of him.
247
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At the end of the day,
it's always them and us.
248
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And for me, it's still them and us.
249
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Obviously if you come from
a bit of a silver spoon,
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you're going to get more
attractive jobs and easier life.
251
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And an easier success.
252
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But that don't mean
they don't have to work for it.
253
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I feel that the economy
will bust within five years.
254
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Because people like myself, have
been giving and giving all the time.
255
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We're paying.
And someone's getting it.
256
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At our expense.
257
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What's your feeling about Brexit?
258
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Brexit? Well, I was a leaver.
259
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I wanted to pass in my cab
at the House of Commons
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and look out and think to myself,
that's where we make the decisions.
261
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Like, Great Britain.
262
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And I thought to myself, you know,
this is what I wanted.
263
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But then again,
they moved the goalposts.
264
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And even now,
nearly two years down the line,
265
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I'm even getting second thoughts
that we should have remained.
266
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I would never vote Tory again.
267
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And I've been a Tory
voter for all of my life.
268
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And probably
I might even vote for the Greens.
269
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Do you have much to do
with villains?
270
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I wouldn't say I'm a villain myself.
271
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I don't go thieving and I don't do
anybody any harm, fighting-wise.
272
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Does it worry you the possibility
of becoming one of them?
273
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How can I... how can I
become a villain?
274
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If it's not in you, if it's not
born in you, you won't become one.
275
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You had visions of me being
in the nick in the next seven years,
276
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you know, and, um...
277
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you made a great mistake there,
Michael.
278
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Well, thank God, yeah.
279
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It seemed possible, because things
were pretty rough.
280
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I was 21.
281
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Everyone's allowed to be 21.
282
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Four to one, Cooladine...
Four-and-a-half 40s.
283
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If your father gambles.
I'll try my luck, see what he does.
284
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I never had visions of me
being anything else
285
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other than a good citizen.
286
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I mean, I am a cheeky chappie
and I'll accept that
287
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and I'll promise... Sometimes
I push the barrier to the limits.
288
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But in saying that,
you are giving your truthful opinion
289
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at that particular time
290
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and I've always worn my heart
on the sleeve
291
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I have always, I like to think so,
give you a credible,
292
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truthful, honest opinion
of what is going on in my life,
293
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I mean, that's the way that I am.
294
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Tell me something, what do you
want to be a cab-driver for, mate?
295
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All the holidays in Spain
every year?
296
00:14:37,721 --> 00:14:39,721
But, son, it's hard work out there,
mate.
297
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You're not reaching me yet.
298
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No, you're not getting to me.
All right?
299
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Now, be bigger, dominate me.
300
00:14:44,721 --> 00:14:45,721
All right?
Son...
301
00:14:45,721 --> 00:14:48,721
'At 28,
Tony was taking acting lessons.
302
00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:51,721
'Now he supplements his income
with occasional TV jobs.'
303
00:14:51,721 --> 00:14:53,401
Oy!
304
00:14:54,721 --> 00:14:56,081
That's all I got on me.
305
00:14:56,081 --> 00:14:58,721
Mate, if I had a pound for every
time I heard that,
306
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I'd be a rich man.
307
00:15:02,721 --> 00:15:04,721
It's exciting times for me.
308
00:15:04,721 --> 00:15:07,721
Because I got a part in a film
and it's showing a premiere tonight.
309
00:15:07,721 --> 00:15:11,721
I've been struggling
as a film extra in 1976
310
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when I first started on The Sweeney.
311
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Last year was The Child In Time
312
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with Benedict Cumberbatch,
313
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Debbie is over there at the bar.
314
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She's a bit nervous about it.
315
00:15:21,721 --> 00:15:25,721
I mean, hopefully I've come out
with some credibility on the part.
316
00:15:25,721 --> 00:15:28,721
Most of all, I wanted to say to her
if she sees her husband
317
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up there rather than the character,
then I know I haven't done my job.
318
00:15:33,721 --> 00:15:34,721
You fucking tell that Chinaman
319
00:15:34,721 --> 00:15:36,721
he'll be in there
eating egg fried rice in a minute!
320
00:15:36,721 --> 00:15:38,081
What's the matter with you?
321
00:15:38,081 --> 00:15:39,721
It's called 90 Minutes.
322
00:15:39,721 --> 00:15:42,721
But the best thing about it
was the cast and crew
323
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all become one big family
and it was a joy to go and work
324
00:15:46,081 --> 00:15:47,721
at Hackney Marshes, incidentally,
325
00:15:47,721 --> 00:15:51,721
where I used to play football
and referee.
326
00:15:51,721 --> 00:15:52,721
And it was like going home.
327
00:15:52,721 --> 00:15:56,721
Would everybody please sit round
now, get on with their work.
328
00:15:56,721 --> 00:15:59,721
I don't want to see any backs to me.
Tony, do you hear as well?
329
00:16:00,721 --> 00:16:04,721
One of the things at the beginning
of the programme is,
330
00:16:04,721 --> 00:16:07,721
"show me the child
and I will show you the man."
331
00:16:07,721 --> 00:16:09,721
Erm, you look at me at seven.
332
00:16:09,721 --> 00:16:11,721
And you look at me even now at 63.
333
00:16:11,721 --> 00:16:15,721
There's no possible way that you
can't say that's not him now
334
00:16:15,721 --> 00:16:16,721
and that's not him then.
335
00:16:16,721 --> 00:16:18,721
You got it right with me.
336
00:16:27,721 --> 00:16:29,721
I read the Financial Times.
337
00:16:29,721 --> 00:16:32,721
I read The Observer and The Times.
338
00:16:37,721 --> 00:16:40,721
I'm going to Charterhouse.
339
00:16:40,721 --> 00:16:46,721
And after that, to Trinity Hall,
Cambridge.
340
00:16:47,721 --> 00:16:52,561
'Andrew went to Charterhouse
and Cambridge, where he read law.'
341
00:16:52,561 --> 00:16:56,721
I'd like to be a solicitor.
And also fairly successful.
342
00:16:56,721 --> 00:16:59,721
'At 28, Andrew was a solicitor.'
343
00:16:59,721 --> 00:17:02,721
What do you think
about girlfriends at your age?
344
00:17:02,721 --> 00:17:06,081
I've got one,
but I don't think much of her.
345
00:17:06,081 --> 00:17:08,721
They're no longer just bores.
346
00:17:08,721 --> 00:17:11,721
Who won't play this, or something.
347
00:17:11,721 --> 00:17:13,721
And you can begin to talk to them.
348
00:17:13,721 --> 00:17:16,721
I don't think I financially come
from the same background.
349
00:17:18,721 --> 00:17:22,721
Andrew didn't go for a haughty Deb,
he went for a good Yorkshire lass.
350
00:17:23,721 --> 00:17:27,721
'By the time he was 28,
Andrew had married Jane.'
351
00:17:28,721 --> 00:17:30,721
I suppose the most important
thing that's happened,
352
00:17:30,721 --> 00:17:31,721
is that we've had
two children.
353
00:17:31,721 --> 00:17:35,241
One five years ago, Alexander
354
00:17:35,241 --> 00:17:37,561
and a couple of years later,
Timothy.
355
00:17:38,561 --> 00:17:41,721
'By 34, he had become
a partner in his law firm.'
356
00:17:43,561 --> 00:17:45,081
Smile!
357
00:17:45,081 --> 00:17:47,721
'Later, he joined the legal
department
358
00:17:47,721 --> 00:17:50,561
'of a large
British industrial company.
359
00:17:50,561 --> 00:17:54,721
'A few years after, they were
taken over by a German firm.'
360
00:17:55,721 --> 00:17:57,721
So, how are the other members
of the family?
361
00:17:59,561 --> 00:18:03,721
Well, Alexander, who was going
out with Philippa when we last met,
362
00:18:03,721 --> 00:18:05,721
got married about three-and-a-half
years ago.
363
00:18:05,721 --> 00:18:08,721
And they are now both working
and living in London.
364
00:18:09,721 --> 00:18:14,721
Timothy worked for a management
consultancy in the IT area
365
00:18:14,721 --> 00:18:17,721
and then decided to specialise in IT
366
00:18:17,721 --> 00:18:19,721
and has gone to
Birmingham University
367
00:18:19,721 --> 00:18:21,921
and he's reading
computer science there.
368
00:18:23,721 --> 00:18:25,721
'Andrew and Jane live in London,
369
00:18:25,721 --> 00:18:28,241
'but they have a second
home in the country.'
370
00:18:29,721 --> 00:18:32,721
Well, we bought it
just about when we got married.
371
00:18:32,721 --> 00:18:36,721
It was a 200-year-old barn
that we bought in auction.
372
00:18:36,721 --> 00:18:40,081
Completely derelict, nothing in it
at all except for manure.
373
00:18:42,401 --> 00:18:45,721
I remember the garden when you
were up to your eyeballs
374
00:18:45,721 --> 00:18:47,081
in weeds and stuff like that.
375
00:18:47,081 --> 00:18:49,081
Well, we moved in
about 35 years ago
376
00:18:49,081 --> 00:18:51,721
and we've been working on it
ever since, really.
377
00:18:51,721 --> 00:18:53,081
It's a never ending job.
378
00:18:54,721 --> 00:18:57,721
I think the country has helped
with him relaxing
379
00:18:57,721 --> 00:19:01,081
when he's had very intense
periods of working.
380
00:19:01,081 --> 00:19:03,721
Don't you ever have any arguments
or disagreements?
381
00:19:03,721 --> 00:19:04,921
Of course we do.
382
00:19:04,921 --> 00:19:07,401
And how do you
tend to sort them out?
383
00:19:07,401 --> 00:19:08,721
Jane is always right.
384
00:19:10,721 --> 00:19:11,721
If only.
385
00:19:12,721 --> 00:19:16,721
He's quite strong in his decisions.
386
00:19:16,721 --> 00:19:18,721
And I'm not.
387
00:19:18,721 --> 00:19:21,721
So, it really compliments me
388
00:19:21,721 --> 00:19:25,401
that he can help me to make a
decision when I'm umming and ahhing.
389
00:19:25,401 --> 00:19:28,721
Now, you be careful, sweetheart.
Yeah, I will, I'll be careful.
390
00:19:28,721 --> 00:19:31,721
I think I'll hold the ladder
for you.OK, thank you.
391
00:19:31,721 --> 00:19:34,721
The latest thing we did,
we went to Japan a few years ago,
392
00:19:34,721 --> 00:19:38,401
and we saw some very nice
Japanese gardens in Kyoto.
393
00:19:39,401 --> 00:19:40,721
And we decided we would have a go
394
00:19:40,721 --> 00:19:42,721
at doing something like that
here as well.
395
00:19:44,721 --> 00:19:47,721
The most dangerous things I do,
climb up that ladder.
396
00:19:49,241 --> 00:19:52,081
Work is pretty stressful, isn't it?
397
00:19:52,081 --> 00:19:55,721
Yeah, I'm pretty used to it now,
I've been doing it for 40 years,
398
00:19:55,721 --> 00:19:58,721
so, you get pretty used to it.
399
00:19:58,721 --> 00:20:00,721
Erm, but in fact, I'm retiring
at the end of this year.
400
00:20:00,721 --> 00:20:02,721
Which I'm looking forward to.
401
00:20:02,721 --> 00:20:05,721
Come on, Millie, let's go.
Where are we going?
402
00:20:05,721 --> 00:20:08,721
One of the reasons why I wanted
to retire now
403
00:20:08,721 --> 00:20:11,081
is really because
we're relatively young.
404
00:20:11,081 --> 00:20:12,761
To make the most of that time.
405
00:20:12,761 --> 00:20:15,721
We're in a bit of a sweet spot now,
406
00:20:15,721 --> 00:20:18,721
I think, in terms of going
travelling and so on.
407
00:20:18,721 --> 00:20:21,721
Maybe in five, ten years'
time that won't be possible.
408
00:20:21,721 --> 00:20:24,721
And the worst thing is,
you hear about people who retire
409
00:20:24,721 --> 00:20:26,721
and then just drop dead.
410
00:20:28,721 --> 00:20:30,721
Looking back, I would have
liked to have spent a bit more
411
00:20:30,721 --> 00:20:32,721
time with the family.
412
00:20:32,721 --> 00:20:36,721
You know, rather than giving
so much priority to work.
413
00:20:36,721 --> 00:20:39,721
When you're young and trying
to make your career, it all seems
414
00:20:39,721 --> 00:20:44,721
terribly important to you to spend
that extra few hours at the office.
415
00:20:44,721 --> 00:20:46,081
But in the scheme of things,
416
00:20:46,081 --> 00:20:48,721
it probably would have been
better to,
417
00:20:48,721 --> 00:20:51,721
you know, go to the school play,
or the sports day or whatever.
418
00:20:53,721 --> 00:20:55,721
My mother died three years ago
419
00:20:55,721 --> 00:20:58,721
and that was quite sad
to see her deteriorate.
420
00:20:58,721 --> 00:21:02,721
Yeah.
You realise what's in store for you.
421
00:21:02,721 --> 00:21:07,721
You can never be sure of leaving your
children any worldly goods,
422
00:21:07,721 --> 00:21:09,721
but at least you can be sure
that once you give them
423
00:21:09,721 --> 00:21:13,721
a good education that's something
that no-one can take away.
424
00:21:14,721 --> 00:21:17,721
Did you ever resent
going to boarding school?
425
00:21:17,721 --> 00:21:20,721
I did go very young
and we did decide that we would not
426
00:21:20,721 --> 00:21:23,721
send our children to boarding
school at such young an age.
427
00:21:24,721 --> 00:21:26,721
I think it's still an age
when you really want to be the one
428
00:21:26,721 --> 00:21:30,721
who has the most influence
on their lives rather than
429
00:21:30,721 --> 00:21:32,721
them spending their lives
with some third-party
430
00:21:32,721 --> 00:21:34,721
who's going to influence them.
431
00:21:34,721 --> 00:21:37,721
The dream for us is that
our children have
432
00:21:37,721 --> 00:21:40,721
a happy and fulfilling life.
Do you think you have?
433
00:21:40,721 --> 00:21:43,721
Yeah, I think I've been very
fortunate.
434
00:21:43,721 --> 00:21:44,921
But you worked for it.
435
00:21:44,921 --> 00:21:46,721
Yes. As they will have to.
436
00:21:46,721 --> 00:21:49,721
When I go home, I have tea.
437
00:21:49,721 --> 00:21:53,721
Then I practice my piano,
and then I...
438
00:21:53,721 --> 00:21:56,721
One of the things about the series
is the idea that you see the man
439
00:21:56,721 --> 00:21:59,721
in the child. Is that true?
440
00:21:59,721 --> 00:22:01,721
Obviously, at the age of seven,
441
00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:04,721
you're very much a product
of your upbringing up to then.
442
00:22:04,721 --> 00:22:07,401
I can have quite strong feelings,
443
00:22:07,401 --> 00:22:10,721
but Jane has been quite a good
influence on me over the years.
444
00:22:10,721 --> 00:22:13,721
Thank you.
Making me more mellow.
445
00:22:13,721 --> 00:22:15,721
Including in my driving
and that sort of thing.
446
00:22:16,721 --> 00:22:19,761
Do you think there's any truth in
the ideas behind the programme
447
00:22:19,761 --> 00:22:22,721
that certain people have
more options than others
448
00:22:22,721 --> 00:22:24,721
and this is an undesirable?
449
00:22:24,721 --> 00:22:26,721
We do have more options.
450
00:22:26,721 --> 00:22:30,401
And it is undesirable
but it's very difficult to correct.
451
00:22:30,401 --> 00:22:35,721
I think the class system itself
is now based more on fame
452
00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:38,921
and what you've achieved
in financial terms.
453
00:22:38,921 --> 00:22:41,721
Achievement is obviously more
appropriate
454
00:22:41,721 --> 00:22:44,241
than what class you were
born into.
455
00:22:47,721 --> 00:22:50,761
What's it actually been like
being in the programme?
456
00:22:50,761 --> 00:22:53,721
I certainly don't look forward to it
every seven years,
457
00:22:53,721 --> 00:22:55,721
because I don't have a
particularly good memory,
458
00:22:55,721 --> 00:22:57,721
it's quite interesting to me
to see what I was like
459
00:22:57,721 --> 00:22:59,561
when I was younger as well.
460
00:22:59,561 --> 00:23:01,721
I think we still all feel very
nervous doing this,
461
00:23:01,721 --> 00:23:05,721
but I suppose as you get a bit
older, you feel less inhibited.
462
00:23:05,721 --> 00:23:07,721
Maybe going back to what
you were like...
463
00:23:07,721 --> 00:23:10,721
Not quite going back to what
you like when you're seven,
464
00:23:10,721 --> 00:23:13,721
but you've got less to lose,
I guess.
465
00:23:24,881 --> 00:23:29,241
If we did all love Geoffrey
and we all want to marry him,
466
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:34,561
I think I know the one that
he'd like best. And that's her.
467
00:23:34,561 --> 00:23:36,881
She keeps changing her mind,
though.Yeah.
468
00:23:36,881 --> 00:23:39,881
I don't know which one,
really.
469
00:23:39,881 --> 00:23:41,881
'Sue grew up in the East End
of London.'
470
00:23:43,881 --> 00:23:45,881
I don't think I'd...
471
00:23:46,881 --> 00:23:48,881
..get married too early.
472
00:23:48,881 --> 00:23:50,881
I'd like to have a full life first.
473
00:23:50,881 --> 00:23:52,401
Marriage means a different
thing to me.
474
00:23:52,401 --> 00:23:53,881
I still got my ideals about
marriage,
475
00:23:53,881 --> 00:23:55,081
I dunno what it's all about.
476
00:23:56,881 --> 00:23:59,881
'Sue was 24 when she married Billy.
477
00:23:59,881 --> 00:24:01,881
'And they had two children.'
60.
478
00:24:01,881 --> 00:24:05,401
To get married young,
there must be things that you miss.
479
00:24:05,401 --> 00:24:07,881
You must miss that crucial stage
480
00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:09,881
of being yourself,
481
00:24:09,881 --> 00:24:13,881
because the minute you get married, you're
no longer a single being.
482
00:24:13,881 --> 00:24:16,081
You're a partnership, and that
should be the idea behind it.
483
00:24:16,081 --> 00:24:20,881
'By the time Sue was 34,
she was divorced.'
484
00:24:20,881 --> 00:24:23,081
I've never sat down and thought,
485
00:24:23,081 --> 00:24:26,881
"What was it? Was it this,
was it that?"
486
00:24:26,881 --> 00:24:28,081
I just knew it wasn't working.
487
00:24:28,081 --> 00:24:29,921
I mean, there have been
relationships
488
00:24:29,921 --> 00:24:33,401
when I could have settled, but they
didn't feel quite right.
489
00:24:33,401 --> 00:24:39,881
So I've always come away
and pulled away and just waited
490
00:24:39,881 --> 00:24:40,881
until the right one came along.
491
00:24:42,241 --> 00:24:43,561
If they ever do.
492
00:24:43,561 --> 00:24:45,081
♪ ..said you'd be coming back
this way... ♪
493
00:24:45,081 --> 00:24:48,881
'At 42, when we filmed
Sue in the karaoke bar,
494
00:24:48,881 --> 00:24:50,881
'she brought Glenn along
to watch her sing.'
495
00:24:50,881 --> 00:24:52,881
♪ Baby, baby, baby, oh, baby... ♪
496
00:24:52,881 --> 00:24:56,921
Well, we've been engaged
now for about 14 years!
497
00:24:58,881 --> 00:25:01,881
I'm not beating any records, but it's
quite a long time, innit, yeah?
498
00:25:01,881 --> 00:25:04,881
Where you going?
499
00:25:05,881 --> 00:25:08,881
So, what is the status with you
and Glenn?
500
00:25:08,881 --> 00:25:12,881
We are still in the middle of
the longest engagement known to man.
501
00:25:12,881 --> 00:25:16,881
We've been together now over 20
years, still not married,
502
00:25:16,881 --> 00:25:18,881
never say never...
503
00:25:18,881 --> 00:25:20,881
But no plans.
504
00:25:20,881 --> 00:25:23,881
Goldfish. See?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
505
00:25:23,881 --> 00:25:25,881
We're both fine as it is.
506
00:25:25,881 --> 00:25:28,241
If we do it, it's just gonna be,
"let's do it."
507
00:25:28,241 --> 00:25:29,881
A spur of the moment thing.
508
00:25:29,881 --> 00:25:32,721
We love each other,
we've got a nice life.
509
00:25:34,721 --> 00:25:37,721
He came along at the right
time for me.
510
00:25:37,721 --> 00:25:42,881
I've been on my own with the kids
for quite a few years.
511
00:25:43,881 --> 00:25:45,881
He probably had the worst years,
really.
512
00:25:45,881 --> 00:25:48,881
The teenage years,
but he stuck around, bless him.
513
00:25:50,881 --> 00:25:53,881
He's been so supportive.
514
00:25:53,881 --> 00:25:57,881
There's been some medical stuff
and scary stuff going on,
515
00:25:57,881 --> 00:25:59,881
and he's been there
and he's been my rock.
516
00:25:59,881 --> 00:26:02,881
Sometimes we go and play nicely
with the boys and sometimes we go
517
00:26:02,881 --> 00:26:04,881
and argue with boys.
518
00:26:05,881 --> 00:26:09,081
He's having a new love in his life
519
00:26:09,081 --> 00:26:11,881
which has been very,
very difficult for me...
520
00:26:11,881 --> 00:26:12,881
Who are you on the phone to?
521
00:26:14,881 --> 00:26:15,881
What do you mean?
522
00:26:15,881 --> 00:26:18,881
Motorbikes.
God!
523
00:26:22,561 --> 00:26:24,881
But...
524
00:26:26,881 --> 00:26:28,881
..he does like me
to get involved in this,
525
00:26:28,881 --> 00:26:31,881
and I won't get on the back of it,
not yet.
526
00:26:31,881 --> 00:26:35,081
Maybe when he's had a few more
years of experience under his belt.
527
00:26:38,561 --> 00:26:40,881
Have you and Glenn
thought of having your own child?
528
00:26:40,881 --> 00:26:42,881
Well, Glenn got with me
529
00:26:42,881 --> 00:26:45,881
when I was in my 40s and I didn't
want to do all that again.
530
00:26:45,881 --> 00:26:48,881
I would have loved
to have had a baby,
531
00:26:48,881 --> 00:26:50,881
because he would make
a wonderful parent.
532
00:26:50,881 --> 00:26:52,881
But the timing was off.
533
00:26:54,881 --> 00:26:56,721
So she's your baby?
534
00:26:56,721 --> 00:27:00,881
She's my new baby, yeah. My kids are
my babies, but she's my new baby.
535
00:27:00,881 --> 00:27:03,081
She's our baby.
536
00:27:03,081 --> 00:27:04,881
Mine and Glenn's.
537
00:27:05,881 --> 00:27:08,881
We lost our Jesse
and Jesse was the star.
538
00:27:08,881 --> 00:27:11,881
She got to a good old age
and we lost her.
539
00:27:11,881 --> 00:27:13,881
The grief is unbearable
when you lose a dog.
540
00:27:13,881 --> 00:27:15,561
People with pets will know.
541
00:27:16,881 --> 00:27:20,881
And then a friend of mine
asked me to take her dog.
542
00:27:20,881 --> 00:27:23,721
And they brought her round
to meet us. Well...
543
00:27:23,721 --> 00:27:26,881
It was like, "Well, how could you
not love her? She's gorgeous."
544
00:27:26,881 --> 00:27:27,881
Hang on, Molls.
545
00:27:27,881 --> 00:27:29,881
I do quite a bit of typing,
546
00:27:29,881 --> 00:27:33,881
but a lot of my work is involved
in making bookings
547
00:27:33,881 --> 00:27:35,881
and dealing
with hotels abroad.
548
00:27:35,881 --> 00:27:39,881
'At 21,
Sue worked for a travel agent.
549
00:27:39,881 --> 00:27:43,881
'At 34,
part-time for a building society.'
550
00:27:43,881 --> 00:27:45,401
Everything has changed for me
551
00:27:45,401 --> 00:27:47,401
cos I'm now supporting
myself a lot more.
552
00:27:48,561 --> 00:27:51,881
'At 42,
she went back to work full-time.
553
00:27:51,881 --> 00:27:52,881
'Helping to run the courses
554
00:27:52,881 --> 00:27:57,881
'in the legal faculty of Queen Mary
College, University of London.
555
00:27:58,881 --> 00:28:02,561
'At 49, she was the main
administrator for their
556
00:28:02,561 --> 00:28:03,921
'post-graduate programme.'
557
00:28:03,921 --> 00:28:07,881
Do you like the responsibility?
Yeah, I love the responsibility.
558
00:28:07,881 --> 00:28:10,881
I think I was born
for the responsibility.
559
00:28:10,881 --> 00:28:12,761
You can't do two
modules that are taught
560
00:28:12,761 --> 00:28:14,641
taught at the same time, obviously.
561
00:28:14,721 --> 00:28:18,881
It's physically impossible for us
to timetable every single module...
562
00:28:18,881 --> 00:28:21,881
Nothing has really changed,
I'm still working for Queen Mary,
563
00:28:21,881 --> 00:28:26,881
20 years under my belt.
But I still enjoy it.
564
00:28:26,881 --> 00:28:29,881
Once you get to your 60s,
it all gets a bit,
565
00:28:29,881 --> 00:28:32,881
"Ah, how long have we got now?
How many years?"
566
00:28:34,881 --> 00:28:37,881
Counting down. But no. Still got
the energy, thank goodness.
567
00:28:37,881 --> 00:28:39,881
So what happens when you
get to your 70s, do you think?
568
00:28:39,881 --> 00:28:40,881
Oh, God...
569
00:28:40,881 --> 00:28:42,881
You tell me, Michael, you know.
570
00:28:45,881 --> 00:28:50,881
I've worked all my life, you know.
I can't imagine not working.
571
00:28:50,881 --> 00:28:54,881
I work at home one day a week now,
which is good
572
00:28:54,881 --> 00:28:58,241
because the Central line
was killing me.
573
00:28:58,241 --> 00:29:00,881
Erm, it's such an awful experience.
574
00:29:00,881 --> 00:29:04,881
Thank you very much.
See you at graduation, yeah? Bye.
575
00:29:04,881 --> 00:29:06,881
Do they have a retiring age there?
576
00:29:06,881 --> 00:29:09,881
I think mine is 66.
577
00:29:09,881 --> 00:29:12,881
I say I'm not looking forward to it,
but I don't know, really,
578
00:29:12,881 --> 00:29:16,881
if I am because I can't imagine what
it's like to fill your days.
579
00:29:16,881 --> 00:29:20,881
Where does the life of my
respectable middle-class mother
580
00:29:20,881 --> 00:29:23,881
overlap with a working-class
slapper who leaves her
581
00:29:23,881 --> 00:29:28,721
illegitimate child on a church door
step?! She was not!You don't know.
582
00:29:28,721 --> 00:29:29,881
She was young...
583
00:29:29,881 --> 00:29:33,561
I still do my drama. Do my luvvie
stuff, as Glenn calls it.
584
00:29:33,561 --> 00:29:37,921
I like to sing,
perform and that's my hobby.
585
00:29:37,921 --> 00:29:40,881
Cheers!
586
00:29:40,881 --> 00:29:42,881
Cheers to the in-laws.
587
00:29:43,881 --> 00:29:48,881
Today we're having a very lovely
afternoon tea.
588
00:29:48,881 --> 00:29:52,881
So, it's just a small
gathering to celebrate my birthday.
589
00:29:53,881 --> 00:29:56,401
When I got married,
the primary reason was
590
00:29:56,401 --> 00:29:58,881
because I wanted to have a child.
591
00:29:58,881 --> 00:30:00,881
The two, to me, went together.
592
00:30:01,921 --> 00:30:04,881
How are the two children doing?
Brilliantly.
593
00:30:04,881 --> 00:30:06,881
They've both bought their own flats,
594
00:30:06,881 --> 00:30:08,881
they're both independent people,
good jobs.
595
00:30:08,881 --> 00:30:10,881
Both my kids are single still.
596
00:30:10,881 --> 00:30:13,401
Both haven't met Mr Right.
597
00:30:13,401 --> 00:30:17,881
They seem to be happy
and they are a joy to me.
598
00:30:17,881 --> 00:30:20,881
Well, I'm telling you now,
that little pink cake over there...
599
00:30:20,881 --> 00:30:25,881
I do worry about the future
for younger generations.
600
00:30:25,881 --> 00:30:26,881
You know, what's going to happen,
601
00:30:26,881 --> 00:30:28,881
because the NHS cannot
carry on like this.
602
00:30:28,881 --> 00:30:31,881
It can't cope. It can't cope now.
603
00:30:33,881 --> 00:30:35,881
I think I'm probably
the last generation
604
00:30:35,881 --> 00:30:38,881
that will get a decent NHS service.
605
00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:42,881
I don't like people
that are too posh.
606
00:30:42,881 --> 00:30:45,881
They look down on everybody else.
607
00:30:45,881 --> 00:30:47,881
Do they think they're better?
Yeah.
608
00:30:48,881 --> 00:30:53,881
At the roots of this film,
is the class system.
609
00:30:53,881 --> 00:30:56,721
Do you think it's still alive
and well?
610
00:30:56,721 --> 00:30:57,881
You are what you're born into.
611
00:30:57,881 --> 00:31:02,881
You'll never be upper-class because
you're born into upper-class.
612
00:31:02,881 --> 00:31:05,721
But you can mix in those circles.
613
00:31:05,721 --> 00:31:07,881
I mean, I don't know.
I've never been upper-class,
614
00:31:07,881 --> 00:31:10,881
I'm never likely to be
upper-class in my life.
615
00:31:10,881 --> 00:31:11,881
Working class, always.
616
00:31:11,881 --> 00:31:13,881
I don't see why they should have
617
00:31:13,881 --> 00:31:15,881
the luck when people have
worked all their lives
618
00:31:15,881 --> 00:31:18,241
and haven't got half as much
as what they have.
619
00:31:18,241 --> 00:31:19,881
It just don't seem fair.
620
00:31:19,881 --> 00:31:22,921
People are struggling now, benefits
are not what they used to be.
621
00:31:22,921 --> 00:31:28,881
I mean, I work in London, so I see
homeless people all the time.
622
00:31:28,881 --> 00:31:31,881
I don't remember it being that bad
when I was younger.
623
00:31:31,881 --> 00:31:36,241
I suspect it was there, but I don't
remember it being as bad as that.
624
00:31:38,241 --> 00:31:43,081
My generation, we had wonderful
support from the council.
625
00:31:43,081 --> 00:31:45,881
Which meant that if your parents
were council tenants,
626
00:31:45,881 --> 00:31:48,081
you would get a council house.
627
00:31:48,081 --> 00:31:51,881
Which got me into a house,
which then enabled me to buy it
628
00:31:51,881 --> 00:31:55,881
and get onto the housing ladder
and change my life.
629
00:31:57,081 --> 00:31:59,081
That's not there any more.
630
00:31:59,081 --> 00:32:02,881
Now, council housing
is so difficult to get.
631
00:32:02,881 --> 00:32:05,081
You've practically
got to be homeless.
632
00:32:05,081 --> 00:32:09,881
What would you do if you have lots
of money, but erm...Me?Two pound.
633
00:32:09,881 --> 00:32:14,241
One of the premises of the film is
give me a child until you're seven
634
00:32:14,241 --> 00:32:18,881
and I will show you the man.
Do you think that's true?
635
00:32:18,881 --> 00:32:20,881
I think it probably is to an extent.
636
00:32:21,881 --> 00:32:25,881
You can be born shy,
you can be born as an extrovert...
637
00:32:27,081 --> 00:32:30,081
..you can be someone who
likes to make people laugh,
638
00:32:30,081 --> 00:32:32,881
you can be someone
who is much quieter and deeper
639
00:32:32,881 --> 00:32:36,881
and I think that's in you,
but then life happens...
640
00:32:37,881 --> 00:32:41,401
..and every experience
will change you.
641
00:32:47,881 --> 00:32:52,241
My mum and dad, thank the Lord,
are still with us and fighting fit.
642
00:32:52,241 --> 00:32:55,881
Not fit,
but fighting to be fit, you know?
643
00:32:55,881 --> 00:32:57,881
My mum's currently in hospital.
644
00:32:58,881 --> 00:33:02,881
I mean, I've lost family members,
yeah, and everything is sad
645
00:33:02,881 --> 00:33:09,721
but I can say I've had a huge
tragedy in my life yet, Michael.
646
00:33:09,721 --> 00:33:10,881
You know, we know...
647
00:33:13,881 --> 00:33:15,881
..we know what's coming...
648
00:33:15,881 --> 00:33:16,881
Sorry.
649
00:33:19,881 --> 00:33:24,081
♪ Smile though your heart is aching
650
00:33:24,081 --> 00:33:25,881
♪ Smile... ♪
651
00:33:25,881 --> 00:33:30,881
Do you think that these films
have any value?
652
00:33:30,881 --> 00:33:32,881
They have a value to me.
653
00:33:32,881 --> 00:33:37,241
Because it's a lifelong achievement
to be part of this programme,
654
00:33:37,241 --> 00:33:38,561
you know?
655
00:33:38,561 --> 00:33:42,881
And I'm astounded sometimes
by the people I meet...
656
00:33:43,881 --> 00:33:46,561
..and they all know
about this programme.
657
00:33:46,561 --> 00:33:49,881
They may have not watched all of it,
but they'll have a memory from it.
658
00:33:51,401 --> 00:33:54,881
They pick up on things
I think that affect them.
659
00:33:54,881 --> 00:33:58,881
The things we go through are what
everyone's going through.
660
00:33:58,881 --> 00:34:00,881
Cheers!
661
00:34:13,161 --> 00:34:19,161
When I grow up, I'd like to find out
all about the moon and all that.
662
00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:24,161
'Nick, a farmer's son,
grew up in the Yorkshire Dales.'
663
00:34:24,161 --> 00:34:27,161
And I said I was interested
in physics and chemistry, well,
664
00:34:27,161 --> 00:34:28,161
I'm not going to do that here.
665
00:34:28,161 --> 00:34:32,161
'At 14, he was away at boarding
school and at 21,
666
00:34:32,161 --> 00:34:34,161
'reading physics at Oxford.'
667
00:34:34,161 --> 00:34:36,161
So what career are you
going to pursue?
668
00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:39,001
It depends whether I'll be
good enough to do what
669
00:34:39,001 --> 00:34:41,161
I want to really do.
670
00:34:42,161 --> 00:34:46,161
I would like
if I can to do research.
671
00:34:47,161 --> 00:34:49,161
'By 28, he had moved to America,
672
00:34:49,161 --> 00:34:52,161
'and was doing research
into nuclear fusion
673
00:34:52,161 --> 00:34:53,681
'at the University of Wisconsin.'
674
00:34:53,681 --> 00:34:56,681
The fusion reaction gives off energy
and produces the power
675
00:34:56,681 --> 00:35:02,521
that would be turned into electrical
energy and sent out to the consumer.
676
00:35:02,521 --> 00:35:04,521
How hot is it in there?
677
00:35:04,521 --> 00:35:07,161
In there,
it's at about ten million degrees.
678
00:35:08,681 --> 00:35:11,161
'At 34,
he was an associate professor.
679
00:35:11,161 --> 00:35:13,161
'And at 42, a full professor.'
680
00:35:15,161 --> 00:35:17,841
My ambition as a scientist is to be
more famous for doing science
681
00:35:17,841 --> 00:35:19,161
than for being in this film,
682
00:35:19,161 --> 00:35:21,161
but unfortunately, Michael,
it's not going to happen.
683
00:35:23,161 --> 00:35:25,161
Now, do you want some water?
684
00:35:25,161 --> 00:35:27,161
Do you want constant water here?
685
00:35:28,161 --> 00:35:32,841
I am seriously ill.
I have a cancer in my throat.
686
00:35:34,001 --> 00:35:38,161
I don't know what the prog... I don't know
what's going to happen,
687
00:35:38,161 --> 00:35:43,161
so I'm not really focused
on the long-term future.
688
00:35:43,161 --> 00:35:47,161
I'm focused on fairly short-term
futures at the moment.
689
00:35:47,161 --> 00:35:50,161
A lot of the treatments
that I've been having
690
00:35:50,161 --> 00:35:53,161
are things that are not
good for your blood.
691
00:35:53,161 --> 00:35:57,161
And I'd had a couple of them in
rapid succession I guess, and so...
692
00:35:58,161 --> 00:36:00,161
Yeah,
my blood's a bit thin at the moment.
693
00:36:01,681 --> 00:36:05,161
Ten days ago I went in
and had a blood test,
694
00:36:05,161 --> 00:36:09,161
and the nurse told me that the level
of my haemoglobin was such that
695
00:36:09,161 --> 00:36:12,161
she expected me to be in a
wheelchair.
696
00:36:12,161 --> 00:36:13,161
Do you have a girlfriend?
697
00:36:17,161 --> 00:36:20,161
I don't want to answer that.
698
00:36:20,161 --> 00:36:25,001
I don't answer those
kind of questions.
699
00:36:25,001 --> 00:36:28,161
I thought that one would come up,
because when I was...
700
00:36:29,161 --> 00:36:31,161
..when I was doing the other one,
and somebody said,
701
00:36:31,161 --> 00:36:32,161
"What do you think about girls?"
702
00:36:32,161 --> 00:36:34,161
And I said, "I don't answer
questions like that."
703
00:36:34,161 --> 00:36:36,161
Is that the reason you're asking it?
704
00:36:37,161 --> 00:36:39,681
The best answer would
be just to say that
705
00:36:39,681 --> 00:36:41,681
I don't answer questions like that.
706
00:36:42,521 --> 00:36:47,161
It was what I said when I was seven
and it's still the most sensible...
707
00:36:47,161 --> 00:36:49,161
But what about them?
708
00:36:49,161 --> 00:36:51,201
If you'd been somebody who...
709
00:36:52,681 --> 00:36:55,161
..had fixed ideas of a woman's role
in marriage
710
00:36:55,161 --> 00:36:59,161
that meant dinner on the table
at six every evening...
711
00:36:59,161 --> 00:37:01,161
Ah, didn't I tell you about that?
712
00:37:02,201 --> 00:37:06,521
'By 28, Nick had married Jackie,
a fellow student from Oxford.'
713
00:37:08,161 --> 00:37:13,161
We don't want to miss out on
the chance of having a significant
714
00:37:13,161 --> 00:37:16,161
career and we don't want to miss
out on the chance to have kids
715
00:37:16,161 --> 00:37:19,161
and to be involved with them.
716
00:37:19,161 --> 00:37:25,001
The one moment of pure,
unadulterated joy in my life was
717
00:37:25,001 --> 00:37:28,161
when my son was handed to me
when he was born.
718
00:37:28,161 --> 00:37:33,161
I have never felt so optimistic,
so just purely...
719
00:37:34,161 --> 00:37:38,161
..unworried about anything as that.
It was just the stra...
720
00:37:38,161 --> 00:37:41,161
it was just... phew!
721
00:37:41,161 --> 00:37:43,161
So, that's...
722
00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:46,161
Did that last forever?
723
00:37:46,161 --> 00:37:49,161
Well, no.
I mean, no, it didn't.
724
00:37:51,681 --> 00:37:54,161
'By 42, they were divorced.'
725
00:37:54,161 --> 00:37:56,161
What I concluded and I talk
to other people about this
726
00:37:56,161 --> 00:37:57,161
who have gone through it,
727
00:37:57,161 --> 00:38:00,161
I'm not sure if they feel it
as strongly as I did,
728
00:38:00,161 --> 00:38:01,161
but it was like a death.
729
00:38:02,161 --> 00:38:05,161
If your spouse died, you could look
back and think,
730
00:38:05,161 --> 00:38:07,361
"Well, it was wonderful
while it lasted."
731
00:38:07,361 --> 00:38:11,361
But in a divorce,
you can't look back and say...
732
00:38:13,001 --> 00:38:14,161
..these are all happy memories.
733
00:38:14,161 --> 00:38:16,841
You can talk to me by myself
outside,
734
00:38:16,841 --> 00:38:18,161
but I'll just meet
you by the garage, OK?
735
00:38:19,681 --> 00:38:22,161
All right. Bye.
736
00:38:22,161 --> 00:38:25,161
'Nick's son, Adam,
was ten when his parents divorced.'
737
00:38:27,001 --> 00:38:33,161
When he was first told,
he was terribly, terribly upset.
738
00:38:33,161 --> 00:38:36,161
And then he just pulled
himself together
739
00:38:36,161 --> 00:38:39,161
and didn't want to talk about it
any more.
740
00:38:39,161 --> 00:38:43,161
Take it easy, Adam, the main thing
is not to crash.Really?
741
00:38:43,161 --> 00:38:45,161
You don't want me to crash
right now?
742
00:38:45,161 --> 00:38:47,161
How does he deal with it now?
743
00:38:47,161 --> 00:38:51,161
He doesn't talk to me about it very
much at all.
744
00:38:51,161 --> 00:38:53,161
He's a private person.
745
00:38:55,161 --> 00:38:57,161
He's getting more mature
746
00:38:57,161 --> 00:39:00,161
and he has to be very patient
with me, really.
747
00:39:00,161 --> 00:39:02,161
Can you imagine having
me for a dad?
748
00:39:02,161 --> 00:39:06,161
Do you think it would be
a low-pressure existence?
749
00:39:06,161 --> 00:39:09,161
Hey, Graham!
750
00:39:09,161 --> 00:39:12,681
Chris is my new wife.
751
00:39:14,361 --> 00:39:16,161
I don't mean to be superficial,
752
00:39:16,161 --> 00:39:19,161
but I think she's the most
beautiful woman I've ever seen.
753
00:39:20,681 --> 00:39:23,161
And how's married life?
754
00:39:23,161 --> 00:39:26,161
Well, me being very ill
755
00:39:26,161 --> 00:39:30,161
has certainly made...
been a bit of a damper on things,
756
00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:34,161
but Chris is being actually
a complete angel about it.
757
00:39:36,161 --> 00:39:39,161
'Over the years,
Nick's research hit trouble.
758
00:39:39,161 --> 00:39:41,521
'And by 42,
he was forced to abandon it.'
759
00:39:44,161 --> 00:39:46,161
When I was 13,
I got hold of a book...
760
00:39:47,161 --> 00:39:50,161
..which said that we were really
in trouble because of pollution.
761
00:39:52,161 --> 00:39:55,521
And because of this, I went
into this nuclear fusion thing.
762
00:39:57,001 --> 00:40:00,161
So, I made some choices to start
working in this field
763
00:40:00,161 --> 00:40:01,161
that handicapped me later.
764
00:40:02,201 --> 00:40:04,161
..cos I still can't make it work.
765
00:40:04,161 --> 00:40:08,161
There were scientists in essentially
the same organisation I was in
766
00:40:08,161 --> 00:40:11,161
saying you cannot
build these things.
767
00:40:11,161 --> 00:40:14,161
So, I had to pay attention.
768
00:40:14,161 --> 00:40:16,201
I had to try
and do something different.
769
00:40:18,161 --> 00:40:21,161
So, the area that I'm
looking at is this times this.
770
00:40:21,161 --> 00:40:26,161
'I don't know why I have a
compulsion to teach, really.
771
00:40:26,161 --> 00:40:27,161
'It was just always there in me.
772
00:40:27,161 --> 00:40:30,161
'I just wanted to do it,
I thought I'd be good at it.'
773
00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:33,201
So, I'm hoping that will remember
me being very stupid and going,
774
00:40:33,201 --> 00:40:35,001
"Ow, there's arrows."
775
00:40:35,001 --> 00:40:36,161
Are you still teaching?
776
00:40:36,161 --> 00:40:40,161
'Yes. And my students
are wonderful.'
777
00:40:40,161 --> 00:40:41,161
..Yes! That's really impressive...
778
00:40:41,161 --> 00:40:44,161
'I'm hanging in there as long
as I can with them.'
779
00:40:45,161 --> 00:40:49,161
It's great to be around them.
Unless they've got a cold.
780
00:40:49,161 --> 00:40:50,841
And they are insisting
on coughing on me.
781
00:40:50,841 --> 00:40:52,161
I try to get them
not to cough on me,
782
00:40:52,161 --> 00:40:53,201
but it's a bit hard to...
783
00:40:55,161 --> 00:40:56,161
..hard to deflect them.
784
00:40:59,161 --> 00:41:00,161
What attracts you about America?
785
00:41:00,161 --> 00:41:02,161
It's an exciting place to be.
786
00:41:02,161 --> 00:41:04,361
There's a lot going on,
it's much easier to go out
787
00:41:04,361 --> 00:41:08,161
and get things done...
than in England.
788
00:41:09,161 --> 00:41:12,161
When you came here,
was it a surprise to you?
789
00:41:12,161 --> 00:41:16,161
America was quite different than
I would have expected.
790
00:41:16,161 --> 00:41:18,161
What do you make of Trump?
791
00:41:20,361 --> 00:41:22,161
Oh, gosh.
792
00:41:22,161 --> 00:41:27,161
I don't know how much of what
he says is for effect
793
00:41:27,161 --> 00:41:29,161
and how much he believes.
794
00:41:29,161 --> 00:41:33,161
And that's the huge question
in my mind.
795
00:41:34,161 --> 00:41:37,161
Theresa May was at Oxford
at the same time as me.
796
00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:43,161
You don't get to do that
going to Bradford Poly.
797
00:41:43,161 --> 00:41:46,161
OK, yes, so, this was my staircase
on my, in my first...
798
00:41:46,161 --> 00:41:51,841
'You're still seeing that
people from the right public schools
799
00:41:51,841 --> 00:41:54,161
'continue to run the country.'
800
00:41:54,161 --> 00:41:59,161
Those people are not necessarily
the ones
801
00:41:59,161 --> 00:42:02,521
who are most fit to run the country.
802
00:42:02,521 --> 00:42:05,161
They have a superficial glibness.
803
00:42:05,161 --> 00:42:08,161
They can present
themselves well on a podium,
804
00:42:08,161 --> 00:42:13,161
but it's alarming that they
are the only ones who have
805
00:42:13,161 --> 00:42:16,161
a clear route
to running the country.
806
00:42:16,161 --> 00:42:20,841
They'd like to come out
for a holiday in the country
807
00:42:20,841 --> 00:42:24,161
when we like,
when I like to holiday in the town.
808
00:42:28,161 --> 00:42:29,161
Do you want to take up farming?
809
00:42:29,161 --> 00:42:33,161
No. I'm not interested in it.
810
00:42:33,161 --> 00:42:37,161
My youngest brother, the deaf one,
if he can't do anything else,
811
00:42:37,161 --> 00:42:38,521
he can probably run the farm.
812
00:42:38,521 --> 00:42:41,161
But as a last resort...
813
00:42:44,001 --> 00:42:48,161
It's a fixed reference point
in a sense, that sort of earthy,
814
00:42:48,161 --> 00:42:52,161
life and death cycle that you get
living on a farm.
815
00:42:53,161 --> 00:42:56,161
What did you learn here, do you
think, that you carried with you?
816
00:42:56,161 --> 00:43:00,161
I sort of feel that you could look
deep somewhere inside me.
817
00:43:00,161 --> 00:43:03,161
I feel like there's
some of this in there somewhere.
818
00:43:03,161 --> 00:43:07,841
I think of it as being magnificent
but rather grim, really.
819
00:43:07,841 --> 00:43:09,201
And sometimes, it's rather tragic.
820
00:43:09,201 --> 00:43:15,201
But it makes other places you go
seem rather trivial as well.
821
00:43:15,201 --> 00:43:18,161
I come up most weekends.
822
00:43:18,161 --> 00:43:22,001
I think Chris
gets up usually in midweek.
823
00:43:22,001 --> 00:43:25,681
We don't get over to England very
often, so you can count on one hand
824
00:43:25,681 --> 00:43:29,161
how many times you're going to see
your family before somebody dies.
825
00:43:30,161 --> 00:43:35,681
And that's getting more and more
pressing every time we come.
826
00:43:37,161 --> 00:43:40,521
Have I seen you
since you lost your dad? No.
827
00:43:42,161 --> 00:43:47,201
I loved my dad a lot, but he was an
old man and he was in his mid-80s.
828
00:43:50,161 --> 00:43:53,161
I mean, the last time I saw him
there wasn't much left of him.
829
00:43:53,161 --> 00:43:57,161
He was a tiny little frail
thing who didn't have much to say.
830
00:43:59,361 --> 00:44:01,161
I don't...
831
00:44:03,001 --> 00:44:04,161
OK.
832
00:44:05,161 --> 00:44:08,161
I don't know... I mean, you know me,
Michael,
833
00:44:08,161 --> 00:44:11,161
I'm sure I haven't dealt
with it fully.Yeah.
834
00:44:11,161 --> 00:44:13,161
But, um...
835
00:44:17,161 --> 00:44:19,161
..yeah.
836
00:44:21,161 --> 00:44:24,161
But it's full of emotion,
all of this.
837
00:44:24,161 --> 00:44:27,361
It's all the stuff that we repress
as hard as we can, isn't it?
838
00:44:27,361 --> 00:44:31,521
But, um... yeah, it really is.
839
00:44:31,521 --> 00:44:36,161
If I can change the world,
I'd change it into a diamond.
840
00:44:36,161 --> 00:44:40,161
I'm still the same little kid,
really. Probably all of us are.
841
00:44:41,161 --> 00:44:44,161
I think I can
relate to that little guy.
842
00:44:44,161 --> 00:44:48,161
He was sort of all eager
and earnest.
843
00:44:48,161 --> 00:44:50,521
Trying to answer the questions.
844
00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:55,521
You know, so, yes, I think you
can tell I'm still the same kid.
845
00:44:55,521 --> 00:44:59,161
I think this film
is extremely important.
846
00:44:59,161 --> 00:45:01,161
It's important to me,
847
00:45:01,161 --> 00:45:03,681
but it seems to be
important to other people as well.
848
00:45:03,681 --> 00:45:06,201
That doesn't make it an easy thing.
849
00:45:06,201 --> 00:45:09,161
It's an incredibly hard thing
to be in.
850
00:45:09,161 --> 00:45:13,361
And I can't even begin to describe
how emotionally draining
851
00:45:13,361 --> 00:45:19,161
and wrenching it is just to make
the film and to do the interviews.
852
00:45:19,161 --> 00:45:23,161
And that's even when I'm pretending
that nobody else is watching it.
853
00:45:23,161 --> 00:45:27,161
It isn't a picture, really,
of the essence of Nick...
854
00:45:29,161 --> 00:45:32,161
..it's a picture of every man.
855
00:45:32,161 --> 00:45:37,161
It's how a person, any person,
how they change.
856
00:45:38,681 --> 00:45:43,161
It's made me think about
all sorts of things more intensely
857
00:45:43,161 --> 00:45:45,161
than I probably would have
otherwise.
858
00:45:45,161 --> 00:45:48,161
There are lots of issues
that it raises that
859
00:45:48,161 --> 00:45:50,361
I've over stewed over
over the years.
860
00:45:52,161 --> 00:45:56,161
It certainly highlights
the difference
861
00:45:56,161 --> 00:45:58,161
between living in America
and England.
862
00:45:59,161 --> 00:46:02,161
Relationships with spouses...
863
00:46:02,161 --> 00:46:08,161
It's given more intensity
and focus by being discussed.
864
00:46:08,161 --> 00:46:11,161
What has been the saddest thing?
865
00:46:12,161 --> 00:46:16,161
Right now,
I'm struggling with being ill
866
00:46:16,161 --> 00:46:21,161
and I'm very sad for the people
who are being affected by that.
867
00:46:22,161 --> 00:46:25,161
Life doesn't turn out the way
I expect.
868
00:46:26,161 --> 00:46:29,161
Are you frightened about it?
869
00:46:29,161 --> 00:46:31,161
Not for myself. But for them, a bit.
870
00:46:34,161 --> 00:46:36,161
Yeah, I'm frightened for them.
871
00:46:41,201 --> 00:46:46,161
'And what about the other children?
Where are they now?
872
00:46:46,161 --> 00:46:47,161
'What are they doing?'
873
00:46:49,161 --> 00:46:52,161
I would like to get married
when I grow up.
874
00:46:52,161 --> 00:46:54,161
I don't think you ought
to go to university
875
00:46:54,161 --> 00:46:56,161
if you want to be an astronaut.
876
00:46:56,161 --> 00:46:59,001
I'm going to work in
Woolworth's.
877
00:46:59,001 --> 00:47:02,161
My heart's desire
is to see my daddy.
71563
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