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[indistinct chatter]
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[Michael] Ah, it's in my pocket.
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Huh?
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Michael] I think
every child is born...
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to do a certain thing.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[Michael] I knew
I wanted to be a...
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a star. [chuckles]
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It was being on the stage.
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Just looking out
over a sea of faces.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Michael] When they're chanting
and they're screaming.
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[Michael] And I've wanted it...
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because I wanted to be loved.
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That's the real truth.
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I wanted people
to truly love me.
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[somber music playing]
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[reporter] A lot of people ask,
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"Who was Michael Jackson,
really?"
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I mean, he was a child star...
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who became the most
famous man on the planet.
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[crowd cheering]
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This is a man who changed
the music industry.
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I mean, he is a musical genius.
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[reporter 2] But he was also
accused of abusing children...
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and died without a cent
to his name.
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I mean, this is
the ultimate story...
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of power, celebrity, and money.
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[crowd cheering]
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[reporter 2] And now the battle
is raging for the truth...
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and Michael Jackson's legacy.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[announcer] The number one
artist in the world!
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[Shmuley] That level
of mega stardom is not healthy.
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People are not gods.
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[reporter 3] Tonight,
Jackson is wanted by police
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of multiple felony counts
of child molestation.
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[reporter 3] The Jackson machine
just keeps right on rolling.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[La Toya] Are you guys
ready for me?
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[soft music playing]
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Whenever you're ready.
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People don't know my brother.
They never did.
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They thought they did.
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And I think it's important for
the public, the world to see...
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I don't want to say the truth,
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but from a family
member's perspective.
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And that's important to me.
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So you get it right
and you understand,
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as opposed to reading
nonsensical things in the media.
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[somber music playing]
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[interviewer]
What do you do mostly?
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I mean, you know,
in your spare time?
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Sports. Messing around.
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I go swimming all the time.
I like swimming.
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Play basketball.
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Catching lizards and things.
Just messing around.
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[La Toya] My memory of Mike...
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is...
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basically...
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a child that was
far older than his age.
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[soft music playing]
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[La Toya] Mike was
always just feisty.
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- [indistinct chatter]
- No, sit down.
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Now I would like to show you...
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[La Toya] As young kids,
we would have a photo shoot.
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He would stand there
and then he would get out
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the picture and say,
"No, put Jermaine here,
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Jackie here,
and I will be in the middle."
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And this is a little kid
talking to his siblings.
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[reporter 4]
Northwestern Indiana
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is not like any other part
of the state,
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because it is
solely industrial.
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One factory next
to another for miles.
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The Negro population of Gary,
Indiana, is 45.8%,
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the highest percentage
in any city
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north of the Mason-Dixon line.
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[La Toya] Growing up in Indiana,
it was humble beginnings.
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My father, Joseph,
worked in the steel mills.
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And we were a large family
from a small home.
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It was two bedrooms.
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In one of the rooms,
the brothers slept,
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and there were six bunk beds.
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And my sisters and I,
we slept on a let-out sofa
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in the living room.
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We were a family
that loved music.
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And when Mike was
around eight or nine...
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he would do riffs constantly.
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And no matter what
you would sing to him,
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he would do it even better.
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[dramatic music playing]
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My father, he saw them
performing together...
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and he says, "Jeez."
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He became their manager...
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because he saw a bigger
and brighter future.
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They used to do shows.
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What they called back then
was the Chitlin' Circuit.
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It was famous Black artists,
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but they were performing
for Black audience.
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Don't be afraid.
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Don't be ashamed.
We want Black power.
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[crowd cheering]
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We want Black power.
We want Black power.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Dionne] To perform
during that period of time
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was very challenging...
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based on the fact that
we were kind of relegated
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to certain areas of our country
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and not very welcome
in some parts.
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But we learned
how to deal with it...
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and how to break down
the barrier
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that they thought
they put in front of us.
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[reel clattering]
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["Tobacco Road" playing]
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? I know ?
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? Bring it back
To Tobacco Road ?
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I met Michael when they were
coming into audition
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to be on Motown.
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I had to kind of just look
at him and shake my head.
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I said, "My God,
this kid is amazing."
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It was an exciting time.
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They wanted it so badly.
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And then finally, there
they are, signed to Motown.
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? When I had you to myself
I didn't want you around ?
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? Those pretty faces
Always made you ?
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? Stand out in a crowd ?
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? But someone picked you
From the bunch ?
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[Dionne] Michael, he had
something that nobody else had.
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And his performances were
meticulously done.
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Watching their growth
over the years was sensational.
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We've got some great guests,
the incredible Jackson Five.
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[crowd cheering, applauding]
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[Robert] One of the hottest
recording groups
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today is the Jackson Five,
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the only American group to have
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four consecutive
number one records.
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[Steve] Kids nowadays don't know
how big the Jackson Five were.
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They were our Beatles,
our Black royalty.
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You had Beatlemania,
we had Jackson mania.
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[crowd cheering]
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[reporter 5] Not since
the heyday of The Beatles,
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has the music world seen
anything like the Jackson Five,
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about to receive
yet another platinum record?
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[interviewer 2] But you have
to give a lot of the credit
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to the original Jackson Two,
Mr. and Mrs. Joe Jackson.
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I decided to deal with the boys
as much as I possibly can,
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getting them prepared
to be in show business.
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They come to us originally from
Gary, Indiana, the Jackson Five.
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- [crowd applauding]
- [soft music playing]
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[Steve] It was just amazing...
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to see this Black family...
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post-segregation...
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who were so famous...
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and that
you could identify with...
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showed Black people
that we can make it in America.
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[upbeat music playing]
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[reporter 6]
It's called Los Angeles,
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the city of the angels.
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People from all over the world,
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drawn by a city
of limitless boundaries...
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one that offers
unlimited opportunity.
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[dramatic music playing]
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Growing up in Indiana,
Mike would have
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this little projector thing
that you put over your eyes
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and you would click it
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and it would show
a different slide of LA.
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He would say,
"Oh, this is so beautiful,
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I would love to live
there one day."
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So moving to Los Angeles
was simply amazing.
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We were so elated and excited
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just to see the beauty
of the city.
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And it was such
a different life.
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We moved to this huge mansion...
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and my father just said,
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"I think this will be
a perfect place."
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And, you know,
what my father said goes.
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Let's introduce Mr. Joe Jackson,
the father of this fine group.
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- [crowd applauding]
- [indistinct chatter]
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Okay, we're going to find out
who's boss around here.
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Dad, do you have to
ever discipline
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this lively group
you've got here?
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I have a way, you know,
like when Randy don't do right,
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we make him take out
all the garbage or something.
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[all laugh]
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- No, that's fair.
- [Joseph] Yeah.
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Yeah, but what about Michael?
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If Michael,
Michael always does right?
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[Joseph] No, not all the time.
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The way we discipline Michael
is sort of like,
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yeah, we don't give him
as much money to spend.
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- [all laughing]
- That's it.
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Right.
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You think it's a good profession
for them?
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Yes, I like for them to...
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[Joyce]
I moved to Los Angeles...
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to work for the family...
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out of Joseph's office.
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When Joseph spoke to me about
coming to work for the boys,
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he presented himself as a really
concerned, loving father.
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Joseph grew up dirt poor...
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before civil rights.
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And to take from nothing
and build that act...
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was huge.
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And all of a sudden,
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now he's living in
a wealthy house in Encino.
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He's got a Rolls Royce.
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He really was chasing
the American Dream.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[Michelle] At that point,
they were portrayed
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as this happy, loving family.
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But my experience,
can't speak for anybody else's,
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but my experience
of what I saw, that was...
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that was the farthest thing
from the truth.
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I went to high school with
Michael's baby sister, Janet.
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And Michael was
also a very close friend.
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When I would be there
and Joseph would pull in...
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you know, the speaker
or the phone would ring
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and it would be like,
"Joseph's here."
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And everyone's like,
"Oh, God, Joseph's here."
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We weren't that, you know,
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savvy back then
about this stuff but...
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knowing that there was
just weirdness.
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[Michael]
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I found out later, Joseph...
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had done
some really awful stuff.
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Joseph would put
Michael in the closet...
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in the dressing room,
in the dark and lock it...
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so that he was,
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he would do what
Joseph would tell him to do.
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And nobody figured out
what was going on.
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[La Toya] He wasn't as cruel
as people think.
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But Mike had a fear
of my father,
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we all did,
because we felt, okay...
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what did we do wrong?
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He's going to discipline us.
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And you were
kind of afraid of that.
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It just put something
in your belly.
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And you would say to yourself...
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"Oh, no."
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His eyebrows would go up
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and his eyes would turn...
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a deeper green...
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a deeper green than they were.
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And you knew he was angry.
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Everybody would say,
"I don't want to get in trouble
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because Joseph's
going to strangle us."
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[reel clattering]
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[dramatic music playing]
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We're right almost in the middle
of a recording session
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with the Jacksons.
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And we're going to bring
the boys in right now...
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all five of them.
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- Here they are.
- [all chuckling]
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[presenter] Now, I don't have to
give any introduction
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to these gentlemen, do I?
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You knew them originally
as the Jackson Five.
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They're the Jacksons now.
They record on Epic.
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[Susan] This is really
a special picture to me.
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Both of our hair
was kind of big.
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See, his face
looks completely different.
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So this was earlier, I guess.
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He still looks like
a great looking kid, you know.
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When the Jackson Five
came to Epic...
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they were a good pop group.
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But Michael was so much
the center of it, the star.
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He just wanted to
be perfect in a way.
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He wanted to be
the best dancer ever...
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and best singer,
best entertainer.
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He wanted to be a great.
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[reporter 7] You guys
are really riding a big high now
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as far as producing records
and so on.
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Do you think this is the peak
of your career now?
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Or have you gone down
a little bit?
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Are you expecting
bigger and better things?
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We're looking forward to doing
other things like producing
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other people and producing
ourselves in the future
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and going into acting
and that type of thing.
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[car horns honking]
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[reporter 8]
New York is the most
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exciting city in the world.
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But New York has never seen
anything like The Wiz,
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a new musical motion picture
being made here
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that stars Diana Ross.
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[Susan] The Wiz was
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the Black version
of The Wizard of Oz.
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And Michael really
wanted to be in that movie.
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[La Toya]
My father didn't want him
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to venture off into movies...
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because he felt
it would break up the group
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and he would go
in a different direction.
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And he wanted to keep
the brothers together.
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As he always said, I want to
keep my boys together.
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But this is something
that Mike saw.
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He loved opportunity
and he went for it.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[interviewer 3] How did you feel
when you heard
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you got the part in The Wiz ,
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and especially playing
with Diana Ross?
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I was very happy.
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I would talk to
Diana on the phone.
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I say, you're going to film
The Wiz next week, huh?
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Or next month.
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She would say, yeah, next thing
I noticed, I was in it.
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[La Toya] Mike and I
were extremely close.
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So we moved
to New York together.
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And going to
the set every day...
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he just embraced it
with great joy.
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But most of all,
what he would always say,
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"I'm learning so much,
La Toya, you have no idea."
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Hey fellas, is today the day
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you're going to help me
get down from here?
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[crows] Help you down?
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Man, what is going down
in that hayloft you call a head?
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[La Toya] Living in New York...
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we were so used to
being with family,
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being controlled by my father.
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But yeah, you could do
what you wanted.
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It was so wonderful.
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[upbeat music playing]
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[Rubell] Is Michael there?
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Hi Michael, come on in,
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you can come right in.
Hi, how are you?
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You just walked in. How are you?
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Michael, this is Jane Pauley.
Come sit over here.
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[Jane] It's been
a long day for you
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and you're unwinding here?
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You mean today?
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No, we're all finished
with the movie.
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But I'm just relaxing now.
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- Just hanging out in New York?
- Yes, Studio 54. [chuckles]
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[Jane] When you hear the name
Studio 54, what does that do?
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Does your pulse quicken
and your feet start moving?
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Yeah, I'm ready to have
a good time.
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It's where you come
when you want to escape.
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It's really escapism.
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[Jane] But you're
Michael Jackson,
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you don't have it so bad.
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What are you escaping from?
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- You know?
- I'm not escaping from anything.
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It's just a change of pace.
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- Right, it is.
- It's a change of pace.
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He doesn't escape from anything.
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If anything,
he's one of those people
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who's very recognizable...
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[La Toya] Doing The Wiz ...
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and all the work
that he had done...
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and the growth
that came with it...
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took him mentally...
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in a different direction,
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saying, "I want to do
a solo album."
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[dramatic music playing]
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[Steve] By Michael
doing The Wiz,
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he had a chance to meet...
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great composer,
arranger, Quincy Jones.
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And Quincy had
worked with Sinatra.
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I mean,
the greatest music people ever.
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[telephone ringing]
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[Michael] I called Quincy
up one day.
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I said, Quincy, "I'm ready
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to do an album, a solo album."
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00:20:56,506 --> 00:20:58,758
"But I want
a real good producer
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to work with me."
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00:21:00,677 --> 00:21:03,027
I said, "Can you
recommend somebody?"
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And he said, "Why don't you
let me do it?"
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["Don't Stop
'Til You Get Enough" playing]
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[Steve] I remember getting
a cassette of Off The Wall .
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And when I heard
"Don't Stop 'Til you Get Enough"
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I was just astonished to hear.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I said, Michael,
this is going to be...
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it's gonna be phenomenal.
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[reporter 9] This is the album
that's caused the storm
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right around the world.
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It's Michael's
Off The Wall album.
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And hopefully, we've got
Michael in LA on the phone now.
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Let's have it so, oh here we go.
Hello, Michael.
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- [Michael] Hello.
- How are you?
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[crowd cheering]
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He is the first artist to have
four top ten singles
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with his Off The Wall album.
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He keeps breaking records.
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- It's just amazing.
- [Michael] Ow!
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[dramatic music playing]
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[Dionne] It had to happen.
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[Michael] I feel
like I wanna rock.
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He had earned
the right to be Michael.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Dionne] He felt
that it's now my time.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[reel clattering]
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[indistinct chatter]
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Mayor? Okay.
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- Let's get the mayor back here.
- Yeah.
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[cameraman] I'm rolling.
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[interviewer 4] Hey, guys,
what did you think of this?
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Were you ever afraid when
you saw that big crowd?
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00:22:57,127 --> 00:22:59,045
- Never afraid.
- Never afraid.
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00:22:59,046 --> 00:23:00,587
It's a lot of excitement.
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00:23:00,588 --> 00:23:03,091
And it's nice to see
the fans all come out
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00:23:03,216 --> 00:23:06,046
to greet us at the airport.
I think it's wonderful.
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00:23:06,047 --> 00:23:10,347
[interviewer 4] What do you have
to say for Atlanta?
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00:23:10,348 --> 00:23:11,558
I'll start here.
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00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:13,851
[Randy] Love it. I can't wait.
Tomorrow night.
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I love it.
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00:23:16,105 --> 00:23:18,522
- [Jackie] We love you, Atlanta.
- Love you very much.
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00:23:18,523 --> 00:23:20,107
Tomorrow night,
everybody be out there.
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00:23:20,108 --> 00:23:22,998
Because we're going to do
our best. Have a good time.
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00:23:28,537 --> 00:23:34,788
[interviewer 5] At this point,
Michael really is kind of
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the mainstay of the Jacksons.
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00:23:36,207 --> 00:23:38,001
Has it always been that way?
413
00:23:39,878 --> 00:23:41,129
Yes, yes.
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00:23:41,130 --> 00:23:43,464
[interviewer 5] Michael has
always been sort of the star.
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00:23:43,465 --> 00:23:45,132
Yeah, he's been
highlighted the most
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00:23:45,133 --> 00:23:47,718
because he's the lead singer
and he's up front, you know.
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00:23:47,719 --> 00:23:49,678
As a little kid,
we put him up front
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00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:51,972
because he danced so much
and had so much energy.
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00:23:51,973 --> 00:23:54,851
[soft music playing]
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00:23:57,562 --> 00:23:59,362
[La Toya] I think my brothers...
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00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:02,692
some of them felt
that once he do this...
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00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:05,612
he's never coming back.
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00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:08,131
He's going to abandon us.
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00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:14,245
And that was kind of disturbing
to some of them.
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00:24:14,329 --> 00:24:16,623
And then the others were just,
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00:24:16,624 --> 00:24:18,082
well, let's see where it goes.
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00:24:18,083 --> 00:24:19,793
Let's see where it leads.
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00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,093
[Michelle] I remember the boys
being in the office
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00:24:28,176 --> 00:24:31,805
and one of them distinctly said,
if it wasn't for them,
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00:24:31,888 --> 00:24:35,725
Michael wouldn't be who he was
because they were the ones.
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00:24:35,809 --> 00:24:39,979
And Joseph was the one
who made Michael who he is.
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00:24:40,063 --> 00:24:43,149
And he basically
wouldn't be shit without them.
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00:24:43,233 --> 00:24:45,485
And it was them that built him.
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00:24:45,568 --> 00:24:48,578
And Michael's just sitting
there listening to this.
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00:24:49,406 --> 00:24:53,827
And he sat there and he took it.
I just remember thinking...
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00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:56,788
how mean, why are you guys
being so mean to him?
437
00:24:56,871 --> 00:24:59,541
I just, I wanted
to go in and like...
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00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:02,376
hurt them because they were
being mean to Mike.
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00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:04,587
[crowd cheering]
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00:25:05,797 --> 00:25:09,384
[Michelle] I think Michael
had grown up feeling
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00:25:09,509 --> 00:25:13,138
under Joseph that he wasn't
anything more than a commodity.
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00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:17,642
And I think in that moment,
it crystallized for Michael
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that he was nothing more than
a commodity to his brothers.
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00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:23,106
And I think it broke his heart.
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00:25:26,985 --> 00:25:30,780
[indistinct chatter]
446
00:25:32,824 --> 00:25:35,201
Oh hi, Steve! Good to see you.
447
00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:37,954
Fine, how are you?
448
00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:51,301
[La Toya] If things
got difficult for Mike...
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00:25:51,384 --> 00:25:54,054
he always had
a very loving relationship
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00:25:54,179 --> 00:25:57,390
with my mother, it was a very...
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00:25:57,682 --> 00:26:00,852
trusted relationship.
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00:26:01,728 --> 00:26:04,189
If something upset him,
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00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:06,774
she would always make sense
out of everything.
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00:26:06,775 --> 00:26:10,278
["Lovingly" playing]
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? Don't look so sad ?
456
00:26:12,947 --> 00:26:14,937
It's one
of your favorite songs.
457
00:26:15,742 --> 00:26:18,828
? I know it's over ?
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00:26:20,489 --> 00:26:22,748
? Don't say a word... ?
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00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:25,251
[La Toya] My mother
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was a very religious person.
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00:26:29,214 --> 00:26:31,174
She was a Jehovah Witness.
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00:26:32,884 --> 00:26:34,969
And she always thought
463
00:26:35,095 --> 00:26:38,264
if you had a personal
relationship with God...
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00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:40,433
then he would show you the way.
465
00:26:40,558 --> 00:26:45,605
[soft music playing]
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00:26:48,874 --> 00:26:53,404
[Christian] It's strange
being back here.
467
00:26:53,405 --> 00:26:55,575
I haven't lived here
for many years.
468
00:26:55,576 --> 00:26:58,867
Yeah, it was such
a strange time, you know,
469
00:26:58,868 --> 00:27:01,621
with Michael being
suddenly so famous.
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00:27:01,705 --> 00:27:06,418
And we're just going door
to door trying to save souls.
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00:27:06,501 --> 00:27:08,461
Michael would say...
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00:27:08,462 --> 00:27:09,753
"Hi, my name is Joe."
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00:27:09,754 --> 00:27:12,224
It was his middle name,
so he wasn't lying.
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00:27:12,225 --> 00:27:14,133
"This is my friend Christian."
"We're here to talk to you
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00:27:14,134 --> 00:27:16,803
about the wonderful hope
of God's kingdom."
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00:27:16,886 --> 00:27:19,305
And the people
would kind of stare.
477
00:27:19,306 --> 00:27:20,597
They would think...
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00:27:20,598 --> 00:27:23,188
that guy really looks
like Michael Jackson.
479
00:27:23,309 --> 00:27:25,599
And you can kind of
see it in their eyes.
480
00:27:27,897 --> 00:27:31,026
The Jehovah's Witnesses
are millennialists.
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00:27:31,027 --> 00:27:34,111
So they believe that Armageddon
is coming any day now,
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00:27:34,112 --> 00:27:35,488
and God's going to
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00:27:35,489 --> 00:27:37,072
cleanse the earth
of all the evil people.
484
00:27:37,073 --> 00:27:41,327
And so our job as Jehovah's
Witnesses was to go door to door
485
00:27:41,328 --> 00:27:43,620
and try to recruit people
to save them
486
00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:46,081
so that they could join
our religion and then...
487
00:27:46,082 --> 00:27:47,666
you know, hopefully
make it into the paradise
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00:27:47,667 --> 00:27:49,294
that was going to come.
489
00:27:50,837 --> 00:27:54,299
Michael had a tough upbringing,
and I think that he had a,
490
00:27:54,382 --> 00:27:58,970
you know, fantastical view of
what he wanted the world to be.
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00:27:59,054 --> 00:28:03,683
And I think this idea of
God bringing a paradise
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00:28:03,684 --> 00:28:05,351
just was very appealing.
493
00:28:05,352 --> 00:28:07,644
And I think that was a big part
of his enthusiasm
494
00:28:07,645 --> 00:28:08,729
for going door to door.
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00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:10,856
He genuinely wanted
to tell people.
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00:28:10,857 --> 00:28:14,861
[Michael] We did
missionary work, door to door.
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00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:18,448
We do 90 hours a month.
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00:28:18,449 --> 00:28:20,449
It was just a wonderful
time for me,
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00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:22,660
because it allowed me
to get out into society
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00:28:22,661 --> 00:28:24,120
and to see people.
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00:28:24,121 --> 00:28:26,580
I was totally deprived
of seeing people
502
00:28:26,581 --> 00:28:27,791
open their doors.
503
00:28:27,792 --> 00:28:29,500
I don't go to
other people's houses.
504
00:28:29,501 --> 00:28:30,959
I don't know
what they live like.
505
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,461
So when they would
open the door and say...
506
00:28:32,462 --> 00:28:34,214
"Come in." I would come in.
507
00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:40,887
[Christian] I was 15 when we
started hanging out together.
508
00:28:41,888 --> 00:28:43,848
I think he felt safe with us...
509
00:28:43,849 --> 00:28:46,892
because he had no other space
where he didn't have something,
510
00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:50,188
some place where people
wanted something from him
511
00:28:50,271 --> 00:28:51,606
because of his fame.
512
00:28:51,607 --> 00:28:53,649
We just liked him
because of who he was,
513
00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:56,026
and that he was part
of this joint community
514
00:28:56,027 --> 00:28:58,497
where we were all working
to do God's will.
515
00:28:59,024 --> 00:29:04,702
But at the same time,
I think he was conflicted about
516
00:29:04,703 --> 00:29:05,753
who he was...
517
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:10,125
because even though
he was very devout,
518
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:12,544
I think Michael
had a lot of ambition
519
00:29:12,627 --> 00:29:19,384
around being perceived as
very successful, very talented.
520
00:29:19,385 --> 00:29:21,051
He was raised in this paradigm
521
00:29:21,052 --> 00:29:23,637
where success is how
you get validation, right?
522
00:29:23,638 --> 00:29:25,597
And from the time
he was a little kid.
523
00:29:25,598 --> 00:29:27,391
So I don't think
he ever lost that.
524
00:29:27,392 --> 00:29:28,726
Michael sometimes would stand
in front of a mirror and say,
525
00:29:28,727 --> 00:29:32,063
"100 million, 100 million."
526
00:29:32,147 --> 00:29:35,400
Because he wanted to sell
100 million albums.
527
00:29:35,401 --> 00:29:36,150
On his next album.
528
00:29:36,151 --> 00:29:40,780
And I think that really fed him.
529
00:29:40,864 --> 00:29:45,452
[somber music playing]
530
00:30:01,343 --> 00:30:04,012
[Steve] Michael's ambition,
I believe,
531
00:30:04,137 --> 00:30:08,058
was to make the greatest album
ever heard.
532
00:30:09,267 --> 00:30:15,315
But he also knew
the power of motion pictures.
533
00:30:16,816 --> 00:30:20,236
He wanted to use video
to drive sales.
534
00:30:20,237 --> 00:30:23,030
I mean, rock bands have been
doing that for years.
535
00:30:23,031 --> 00:30:25,659
[indistinct chatter]
536
00:30:25,742 --> 00:30:28,328
I'm not like other guys.
537
00:30:29,746 --> 00:30:31,186
I mean, I'm different.
538
00:30:36,670 --> 00:30:38,213
I'm a monster.
539
00:30:39,923 --> 00:30:42,175
[dramatic music playing]
540
00:30:42,544 --> 00:30:47,554
Michael, I think this is
going to be the Citizen Kane
541
00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:50,475
of the videos. I really do.
It's going to be the most
542
00:30:50,558 --> 00:30:54,187
revolutionary thing in the
history of, in videos, you know.
543
00:30:55,122 --> 00:30:57,940
I mean, it's a new art form now,
544
00:30:57,941 --> 00:31:00,068
but I think this is
leading the way.
545
00:31:00,193 --> 00:31:02,603
"Beat It" and this one
is leading the way.
546
00:31:04,906 --> 00:31:08,034
God, what a great looking kid.
547
00:31:10,328 --> 00:31:13,665
Filmmakers, they usually know
when they have something.
548
00:31:13,790 --> 00:31:16,292
And I knew we had something.
549
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:20,547
Music video was new
at that time.
550
00:31:20,672 --> 00:31:22,549
And this is pre-internet.
551
00:31:24,426 --> 00:31:28,221
And Michael's videos
were special. You could tell.
552
00:31:30,212 --> 00:31:35,310
Some prominent Black musicians
are complaining
553
00:31:35,311 --> 00:31:37,563
that they are being left out
of the video market,
554
00:31:37,564 --> 00:31:39,857
specifically the music
television cable operation.
555
00:31:39,858 --> 00:31:42,068
We are looking
for a certain sound
556
00:31:42,069 --> 00:31:43,777
and a certain point of view.
557
00:31:43,778 --> 00:31:45,821
[reporter 10] Bob Pitman is
the 29-year-old whiz kid
558
00:31:45,822 --> 00:31:49,200
who created MTV
after a successful career
559
00:31:49,201 --> 00:31:51,452
as a radio station
program director.
560
00:31:51,453 --> 00:31:53,120
We are not all things
to all people.
561
00:31:53,121 --> 00:31:54,371
We are cable television.
562
00:31:54,372 --> 00:31:57,249
And what cable television
does best is specialize.
563
00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:00,086
One thing per channel.
So you know exactly
564
00:32:00,087 --> 00:32:02,921
what you're getting
when you turn on the channel.
565
00:32:02,922 --> 00:32:04,423
It was almost impossible
for a Black artist
566
00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:10,472
to get on the cover of any of
the major magazines or TV shows.
567
00:32:10,473 --> 00:32:13,057
[interviewer 6] Over Christmas,
I watched MTV.
568
00:32:13,058 --> 00:32:16,311
- I saw no Black star.
- Plenty of Black stars,
569
00:32:16,436 --> 00:32:19,522
but only Black stars
who do rock and roll.
570
00:32:19,647 --> 00:32:22,734
[Susan] And MTV refused to play
Michael's video.
571
00:32:22,817 --> 00:32:24,903
You don't see R&B. You see...
572
00:32:25,028 --> 00:32:28,406
He was outraged.
It was pure blatant racism,
573
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:30,617
plain and simple.
574
00:32:30,742 --> 00:32:32,744
Prejudice is ignorance.
575
00:32:32,869 --> 00:32:36,373
Music has no color.
I don't believe in that.
576
00:32:36,456 --> 00:32:39,226
What I do, I don't want it
labeled Black or white.
577
00:32:39,227 --> 00:32:40,918
I want it labeled it's music.
578
00:32:40,919 --> 00:32:43,630
[Susan] A few of us at Epic
579
00:32:43,755 --> 00:32:46,007
and the president
of CBS Records,
580
00:32:46,008 --> 00:32:48,050
we all went up there
and explained
581
00:32:48,051 --> 00:32:50,010
why they had to play
those videos.
582
00:32:50,011 --> 00:32:54,808
They said, you can't continue
with a program like this
583
00:32:54,891 --> 00:32:57,602
without honoring
some of the best music...
584
00:32:57,603 --> 00:32:59,019
that America has to offer.
585
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:00,854
And some of the best music
America has to offer
586
00:33:00,855 --> 00:33:04,943
is made and performed
by Black artists.
587
00:33:04,944 --> 00:33:06,610
Period. End of discussion.
588
00:33:06,611 --> 00:33:09,279
They only could look at
the bottom line and say,
589
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,140
you can't ignore these tracks.
590
00:33:11,199 --> 00:33:13,368
And once they played Michael.
591
00:33:14,911 --> 00:33:16,621
It took off.
592
00:33:16,746 --> 00:33:18,540
[reel clattering]
593
00:33:20,875 --> 00:33:24,605
[reporter 11] Michael Jackson's
album Thriller has been topping
594
00:33:24,606 --> 00:33:25,963
various record charts,
595
00:33:25,964 --> 00:33:27,297
so it should come
as no surprise
596
00:33:27,298 --> 00:33:30,188
that Thriller is number one
on Billboard's chart
597
00:33:30,189 --> 00:33:31,719
of most successful pop albums.
598
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,848
Well, the title song from
that blockbuster album,
599
00:33:34,849 --> 00:33:36,473
now the subject of
the most talked about
600
00:33:36,474 --> 00:33:39,064
music video to come along.
Take a look at this.
601
00:33:39,102 --> 00:33:40,937
[dramatic music playing]
602
00:33:42,314 --> 00:33:45,525
[Michelle] Thriller was
an amazing piece of work.
603
00:33:46,192 --> 00:33:47,752
Like everybody loved it.
604
00:33:48,278 --> 00:33:51,072
And it just got
bigger and bigger.
605
00:33:51,197 --> 00:33:54,451
We love you!
We love you Michael!
606
00:33:54,452 --> 00:33:57,619
[reporter 12] Michael Jackson
was partying in New York.
607
00:33:57,620 --> 00:34:00,749
The occasion,
for selling 23 million albums.
608
00:34:00,874 --> 00:34:02,959
[La Toya] He exploded.
609
00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:07,672
Everybody wanted a piece of him.
Everyone wanted to see him.
610
00:34:07,756 --> 00:34:09,424
[indistinct chatter]
611
00:34:09,425 --> 00:34:12,593
Michael Jackson's Thriller
is now the highest selling
612
00:34:12,594 --> 00:34:16,181
solo album in the history
of recorded music.
613
00:34:16,264 --> 00:34:19,893
The number one artist
in the world!
614
00:34:19,894 --> 00:34:23,604
[reporter 13] He is simply put,
probably the most exciting
615
00:34:23,605 --> 00:34:26,149
and intense performer
of the decade.
616
00:34:26,150 --> 00:34:31,070
[interviewer 7] You have
something within your records
617
00:34:31,071 --> 00:34:33,448
that everybody just loves.
618
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:37,577
Boy I couldn't say.
I just created it.
619
00:34:37,578 --> 00:34:40,204
[interviewer 7] Where do you
think the gift came from?
620
00:34:40,205 --> 00:34:44,584
- God.
- [dramatic music playing]
621
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:49,089
[indistinct chatter]
622
00:35:09,442 --> 00:35:13,780
Ladies and gentlemen,
may I have your attention?
623
00:35:13,905 --> 00:35:17,701
I need your attention right now.
624
00:35:19,077 --> 00:35:22,080
I am saying for the last time,
625
00:35:22,205 --> 00:35:25,834
as chairman of the Walk of Fame,
if you do not back up,
626
00:35:25,959 --> 00:35:29,629
this ceremony will be canceled.
627
00:35:29,754 --> 00:35:31,464
[crowd cheering]
628
00:35:33,091 --> 00:35:36,553
Ladies and gentlemen,
Michael Jackson.
629
00:35:36,678 --> 00:35:39,806
We now welcome him
to the Walk of Fame.
630
00:35:44,728 --> 00:35:48,273
[Christian] The Thriller album
was fantastic.
631
00:35:48,274 --> 00:35:50,232
It was far exceeding
anyone's expectations
632
00:35:50,233 --> 00:35:52,736
about how big
it was going to be.
633
00:35:52,819 --> 00:35:56,322
And Michael was becoming sort
of transcendent as a pop star.
634
00:35:59,075 --> 00:36:03,246
But he was still
very idealistic, very devout.
635
00:36:05,373 --> 00:36:09,001
I mean, nobody had been
that famous
636
00:36:09,002 --> 00:36:11,504
in the Jehovah's Witnesses yet.
637
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:15,424
It was very much
at odds for the church,
638
00:36:15,425 --> 00:36:19,179
for someone to be famous,
because any kind of notoriety
639
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:21,680
could be considered
controversial, potentially.
640
00:36:21,681 --> 00:36:25,727
Even his deciding
to do a Thriller video.
641
00:36:25,728 --> 00:36:28,896
The church was very paranoid
about any demon influence
642
00:36:28,897 --> 00:36:30,314
and anything with demonology.
643
00:36:30,315 --> 00:36:32,274
And so zombies
rising from the dead
644
00:36:32,275 --> 00:36:34,318
or anything related
to the occult...
645
00:36:34,319 --> 00:36:36,196
suddenly the hammer came down
646
00:36:36,321 --> 00:36:38,782
from the headquarters
of the church.
647
00:36:38,865 --> 00:36:40,742
And so when he realized
648
00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:44,287
that this was going to be
a problem for him, he panicked.
649
00:36:44,288 --> 00:36:45,954
He wrote, "Due to my strong
personal convictions,
650
00:36:45,955 --> 00:36:48,291
I wish to stress that this film
651
00:36:48,292 --> 00:36:50,834
in no way endorses
a belief in the occult."
652
00:36:50,835 --> 00:36:53,462
And he had to put that at
the beginning of the video
653
00:36:53,463 --> 00:36:55,339
in order to get
the church to go,
654
00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:57,258
"Okay, you can release it."
655
00:36:57,259 --> 00:37:00,844
It really created some tension.
656
00:37:00,845 --> 00:37:05,433
On the one hand, fame brought
him all this opportunity.
657
00:37:05,517 --> 00:37:07,811
And I think he liked
the adulation.
658
00:37:07,894 --> 00:37:09,437
It was very validating.
659
00:37:09,438 --> 00:37:11,855
But I think he started to feel
handicapped by the fact
660
00:37:11,856 --> 00:37:14,400
that he couldn't pursue
all his creative stuff
661
00:37:14,401 --> 00:37:16,443
that the church was constantly
tightening the screws
662
00:37:16,444 --> 00:37:19,694
and saying, "No, you can't
do this, no, you can't do that."
663
00:37:20,198 --> 00:37:23,743
And later on,
he just made a decision.
664
00:37:23,744 --> 00:37:25,953
He disassociated himself,
which basically meant
665
00:37:25,954 --> 00:37:28,331
he was leaving the church.
666
00:37:30,041 --> 00:37:32,711
You know, I left
the church in 1990.
667
00:37:32,794 --> 00:37:34,114
And when you leave,
668
00:37:34,115 --> 00:37:36,213
you know, the church
completely cuts you off.
669
00:37:36,214 --> 00:37:37,631
You know, you lose
your whole foundation.
670
00:37:37,632 --> 00:37:40,050
You lose your family,
all of your friends.
671
00:37:40,051 --> 00:37:43,722
You're really adrift
in so many ways.
672
00:37:43,847 --> 00:37:45,432
And when he left,
673
00:37:45,433 --> 00:37:47,975
he lost the thing that had
grounded him for so long.
674
00:37:47,976 --> 00:37:51,187
[indistinct chatter]
675
00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:57,818
[interviewer 8] How long have
you had this beautiful beast?
676
00:37:57,819 --> 00:38:00,196
Gosh, it was during the,
677
00:38:00,197 --> 00:38:01,530
a little bit before
Thriller I had him.
678
00:38:01,531 --> 00:38:05,285
Probably about, almost a year,
almost a year now.
679
00:38:05,286 --> 00:38:08,495
[interviewer 8] And this type
of snake is not dangerous?
680
00:38:08,496 --> 00:38:09,663
Well, I don't think so.
681
00:38:09,664 --> 00:38:11,623
- Some people would.
- Could it be dangerous?
682
00:38:11,624 --> 00:38:14,335
Yeah, they squeeze,
they can really squeeze.
683
00:38:16,921 --> 00:38:18,506
I think he's great.
684
00:38:18,590 --> 00:38:21,420
[interviewer 8] What other
animals do you have?
685
00:38:21,421 --> 00:38:23,427
[Howell] After Thriller,
686
00:38:23,428 --> 00:38:28,433
I saw a completely
different Michael Jackson.
687
00:38:30,518 --> 00:38:33,772
I was his personal
cinematographer
688
00:38:33,855 --> 00:38:37,734
from 1981 to 1987.
689
00:38:39,527 --> 00:38:44,240
And when I first met him,
Michael was really humble.
690
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,703
He was a true, cool dude.
691
00:38:49,746 --> 00:38:51,790
But after the Thriller album,
692
00:38:51,873 --> 00:38:56,252
his personality started to get
a little bit different,
693
00:38:56,336 --> 00:38:59,130
more eccentric.
694
00:38:59,214 --> 00:39:02,884
[indistinct chatter]
695
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,648
[Howell] I could see he enjoyed
being around kids.
696
00:39:19,985 --> 00:39:25,198
- Hello!
- Wow! Wow! Woo!
697
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:26,824
Tell us about
where we recognize...
698
00:39:26,825 --> 00:39:28,033
[interviewer 9] We're going to
do our own interview here.
699
00:39:28,034 --> 00:39:31,413
Okay this is the Michael Jackson
Interview Show, okay?
700
00:39:31,414 --> 00:39:34,081
So, how old are you, young man?
No, not how old are you.
701
00:39:34,082 --> 00:39:35,834
What show are you on?
702
00:39:35,917 --> 00:39:39,003
My show is Webster!
703
00:39:39,087 --> 00:39:40,947
And who do you play on the show?
704
00:39:40,948 --> 00:39:42,464
[Howell] Out of nowhere,
705
00:39:42,465 --> 00:39:44,995
Michael's good friend
was Emmanuel Lewis.
706
00:39:47,345 --> 00:39:51,641
Emmanuel Lewis was a star
of the TV show, Webster.
707
00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:55,853
And then one day,
Michael calls me up.
708
00:39:55,854 --> 00:39:58,857
He goes, I need you
to come over.
709
00:40:00,650 --> 00:40:03,820
So I get there, and he has
Emanuel with him.
710
00:40:03,945 --> 00:40:09,451
They're dancing to one of
his new songs that never,
711
00:40:09,452 --> 00:40:10,576
ever was released.
712
00:40:10,577 --> 00:40:12,871
And he's holding him
like a baby.
713
00:40:20,879 --> 00:40:25,842
And I could see Michael
had a connection with children.
714
00:40:25,967 --> 00:40:28,553
[somber music playing]
715
00:40:28,554 --> 00:40:30,804
[Michael] When a child
steps in the room
716
00:40:30,805 --> 00:40:34,100
I'm totally changed.
I feel their energy.
717
00:40:34,225 --> 00:40:35,685
I feel their spirit.
718
00:40:38,563 --> 00:40:42,400
When I look in their eyes,
I feel healed.
719
00:40:50,742 --> 00:40:54,079
[Howell] What I saw,
Michael liked...
720
00:40:55,705 --> 00:41:00,335
kids because of the fact
that they weren't domineering.
721
00:41:00,418 --> 00:41:02,837
They weren't asking
for something.
722
00:41:05,723 --> 00:41:08,592
You know, because you had
723
00:41:08,593 --> 00:41:11,596
too many of these producer
bigwigs coming over.
724
00:41:12,347 --> 00:41:14,766
What I called,
and what he called, suits.
725
00:41:14,767 --> 00:41:16,934
And when the suits
would come over,
726
00:41:16,935 --> 00:41:21,773
it was a different atmosphere
because they wanted something.
727
00:41:21,898 --> 00:41:27,987
By then, Michael got so big,
now it's just a business.
728
00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:31,032
[dramatic music playing]
729
00:41:31,033 --> 00:41:32,908
[reporter 14] Jackson's image
has been pressed into plastic.
730
00:41:32,909 --> 00:41:36,078
In a short six months since
they first came on the market,
731
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,748
Michael Jackson toys, dolls,
732
00:41:38,832 --> 00:41:41,710
and other products
have been selling with a fury.
733
00:41:41,711 --> 00:41:44,336
[Mike] Jackson has become
a mini-conglomerate.
734
00:41:44,337 --> 00:41:46,422
He is setting up five
separate companies
735
00:41:46,423 --> 00:41:47,923
to handle
his business interests.
736
00:41:47,924 --> 00:41:50,510
Albums, video cassettes,
concert tours,
737
00:41:50,511 --> 00:41:52,136
merchandising tie-ins.
738
00:41:52,137 --> 00:41:55,014
This year, Michael Jackson
is expected to earn
739
00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:56,975
more than $50 million.
740
00:41:56,976 --> 00:41:59,601
[reporter 15] Michael Jackson
made recording business history
741
00:41:59,602 --> 00:42:02,522
today by closing the deal
on The Beatles' catalog.
742
00:42:02,605 --> 00:42:05,817
From now on, all those
royalties go to Jackson.
743
00:42:05,818 --> 00:42:08,277
[reporter 16] Michael Jackson
has a new manager.
744
00:42:08,278 --> 00:42:09,987
Jackson has hired
the vice president of promotion
745
00:42:09,988 --> 00:42:13,908
for Epic Records, Frank DiLeo,
to manage his booming career.
746
00:42:13,992 --> 00:42:18,496
Formerly, Jackson was managed
by his father, Joseph Jackson.
747
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,588
[La Toya] Mike decided to end
the relationship with my father.
748
00:42:26,589 --> 00:42:29,006
And his thinking
and his thoughts were,
749
00:42:29,007 --> 00:42:32,927
"I need a manager
who's much bigger and better,
750
00:42:32,928 --> 00:42:35,679
and someone who really knows
what they're doing
751
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,515
in this big industry."
752
00:42:39,809 --> 00:42:43,521
But I think the part
that became difficult was...
753
00:42:44,105 --> 00:42:47,734
the people
that entered into his life.
754
00:42:47,859 --> 00:42:53,615
Because this business can be
very overwhelming, cutthroat.
755
00:42:53,698 --> 00:42:58,119
And people will say and do
anything to get into your circle
756
00:42:58,203 --> 00:43:00,330
and to manage you.
757
00:43:00,455 --> 00:43:02,207
And that part of it...
758
00:43:03,083 --> 00:43:05,126
destroyed him.
759
00:43:08,922 --> 00:43:12,172
[reporter 17] Michael Jackson
has not a song on his lips,
760
00:43:12,175 --> 00:43:13,927
but a bottle of Pepsi-Cola.
761
00:43:14,052 --> 00:43:17,972
This week, he signed up for
five million dollars or more
762
00:43:18,056 --> 00:43:20,766
to promote Pepsi in concerts
and commercials.
763
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:22,489
A lot of people are asking,
764
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:24,937
why would
Michael Jackson do commercials?
765
00:43:24,938 --> 00:43:27,022
Well, the reason is
that these commercials
766
00:43:27,023 --> 00:43:29,191
are going to be
just extraordinary.
767
00:43:29,192 --> 00:43:30,859
They're using
state-of-the-art technology.
768
00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:32,736
They're going to be
creative masterpieces.
769
00:43:32,737 --> 00:43:35,990
No expense is spared.
770
00:43:36,116 --> 00:43:41,788
They asked me to direct them
because I had success
771
00:43:41,871 --> 00:43:44,624
and a relationship with Michael.
772
00:43:44,749 --> 00:43:49,129
We were going to shoot
two promotional commercials,
773
00:43:49,254 --> 00:43:50,634
even though Michael...
774
00:43:50,635 --> 00:43:53,048
confessed to me that he never
drank Pepsi in his life.
775
00:43:53,049 --> 00:43:58,722
We went down there and started
shooting, and the plan was,
776
00:43:58,847 --> 00:44:03,018
there was an explosion, Michael
would come down and dance.
777
00:44:03,101 --> 00:44:04,361
The pyrotechnics...
778
00:44:05,145 --> 00:44:07,313
added too much...
779
00:44:07,439 --> 00:44:09,399
and all hell broke loose.
780
00:44:09,524 --> 00:44:10,900
[explosion]
781
00:44:13,403 --> 00:44:16,906
[dramatic music playing]
782
00:44:17,824 --> 00:44:22,704
[crowd screaming]
783
00:44:40,889 --> 00:44:44,642
[indistinct chatter]
784
00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:49,980
[reporter 18] The scene was wild
as hundreds of fans
785
00:44:49,981 --> 00:44:51,398
tried to see Michael Jackson
786
00:44:51,399 --> 00:44:53,942
as he was carried into
a Los Angeles area hospital
787
00:44:53,943 --> 00:44:56,713
with second and third degree
burns on his scalp.
788
00:44:57,781 --> 00:45:00,241
[indistinct chatter]
789
00:45:12,651 --> 00:45:18,759
I'll never forget the image
of Michael being taken away
790
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,263
in a stretcher, but smart enough
to take his glove,
791
00:45:22,347 --> 00:45:24,182
the famous glove, and wave it.
792
00:45:27,686 --> 00:45:30,939
But it was the beginning
of a dark time.
793
00:45:45,203 --> 00:45:49,290
[soft music playing]
794
00:45:50,724 --> 00:45:55,629
[Michelle] I remember
in the early years,
795
00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:57,339
Michael would just
come out and hang out.
796
00:45:57,340 --> 00:45:59,718
It was just, it was casual.
It was normal.
797
00:46:02,053 --> 00:46:06,891
But at that point, Michael
started going out a lot less.
798
00:46:11,855 --> 00:46:14,065
Everybody was, like, worried.
799
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,235
He would call all the time.
800
00:46:17,236 --> 00:46:20,821
He would constantly
reflect back on things
801
00:46:20,822 --> 00:46:22,782
from his childhood.
802
00:46:22,866 --> 00:46:25,410
[somber music playing]
803
00:46:27,746 --> 00:46:29,497
[Michael]
804
00:47:15,085 --> 00:47:17,587
[Howell]
When I went to the house
805
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:19,422
after the Pepsi burn...
806
00:47:19,423 --> 00:47:23,050
with Michael, there were
some times where we would talk,
807
00:47:23,051 --> 00:47:26,304
and he would
come a little close,
808
00:47:26,388 --> 00:47:31,518
and then I would say to myself,
what is on his nose?
809
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:33,102
And those were stitches.
810
00:47:33,103 --> 00:47:35,020
Physically or visually,
you could see that...
811
00:47:35,021 --> 00:47:39,275
it had been, you know,
worked on.
812
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,861
I have a shot of Michael
when he's leaving
813
00:47:41,945 --> 00:47:43,571
the Havenhurst house,
814
00:47:43,697 --> 00:47:45,990
and that was when
I saw the change.
815
00:47:46,074 --> 00:47:50,078
You know, the transition
from the negro look
816
00:47:50,161 --> 00:47:53,289
to like something different.
817
00:47:59,254 --> 00:48:01,294
[Michelle] It was heartbreaking.
818
00:48:02,257 --> 00:48:06,052
Michael was trying to erase
something off of his face...
819
00:48:06,136 --> 00:48:08,847
and it was all the nastiness
820
00:48:08,848 --> 00:48:10,597
and all the things that
Joseph said about him,
821
00:48:10,598 --> 00:48:13,600
but I think that set Michael
on a very unhealthy pattern
822
00:48:13,601 --> 00:48:16,938
and path for the rest
of his life when it came to...
823
00:48:17,063 --> 00:48:21,359
facial reconstruction
and his skin color.
824
00:48:22,694 --> 00:48:25,044
But I don't think
anybody was prepared
825
00:48:25,113 --> 00:48:28,408
for how extreme it would get.
826
00:48:29,367 --> 00:48:33,913
- [indistinct chatter]
- [camera shutters clicking]
827
00:49:14,746 --> 00:49:16,856
Not since Thriller
five years ago
828
00:49:16,873 --> 00:49:20,585
has the record industry been
so focused on a single album.
829
00:49:20,668 --> 00:49:22,003
It's called Bad.
830
00:49:22,128 --> 00:49:25,924
It's Michael Jackson and Bad
right here on Kiss FM.
831
00:49:26,007 --> 00:49:27,550
[reel clattering]
832
00:49:27,551 --> 00:49:32,179
[reporter 19] They were queuing
all over America,
833
00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:33,889
snapping up the first copies
834
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:36,141
of Michael Jackson's
latest offering.
835
00:49:36,142 --> 00:49:38,972
But after five years
of comparative seclusion,
836
00:49:38,978 --> 00:49:40,605
he's changed his image.
837
00:49:40,606 --> 00:49:43,440
It's a lot of talk.
A lot of people are talking
838
00:49:43,441 --> 00:49:45,527
about it and how
foolish he looks.
839
00:49:45,610 --> 00:49:47,195
The look?
840
00:49:47,196 --> 00:49:49,154
Well... [chuckles] the new look
is not too hot,
841
00:49:49,155 --> 00:49:52,826
but the album is great
and he's a great entertainer.
842
00:49:52,951 --> 00:49:55,328
[dramatic music playing]
843
00:49:55,329 --> 00:49:55,953
[Gregg] I was a fan
of Michael Jackson
844
00:49:55,954 --> 00:49:58,540
since I was a kid.
845
00:49:58,665 --> 00:50:04,170
From you know, the Jacksons,
I loved Off the Wall.
846
00:50:04,415 --> 00:50:08,048
I was a talent manager
at the firm
847
00:50:08,049 --> 00:50:10,343
that managed Michael Jackson.
848
00:50:10,344 --> 00:50:14,096
And it was our job to manage
his career and public image.
849
00:50:14,097 --> 00:50:17,642
I remember I met him
like up close and personal
850
00:50:17,726 --> 00:50:20,979
and I was just surprised
at like how white he was.
851
00:50:21,062 --> 00:50:24,983
I mean and just almost
like almost like translucent.
852
00:50:25,066 --> 00:50:28,778
[man] Oh, this is beautiful.
What happened?
853
00:50:28,779 --> 00:50:30,404
[Gregg] You know,
we were wondering
854
00:50:30,405 --> 00:50:33,324
if he was bleaching his skin
or maybe it was makeup.
855
00:50:34,242 --> 00:50:39,372
I can remember one instance
and we had made this video.
856
00:50:39,373 --> 00:50:41,373
It was like multi-million
dollar video.
857
00:50:41,374 --> 00:50:43,334
We had David Fincher,
you know, directed.
858
00:50:43,335 --> 00:50:45,711
I remember at one point,
he literally kind of broke down
859
00:50:45,712 --> 00:50:48,256
in tears and he was
kind of ranting like,
860
00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:50,842
"I look like a monkey.
I look like a monkey."
861
00:50:50,843 --> 00:50:52,551
And I was like thinking, what?
862
00:50:52,552 --> 00:50:55,012
I mean, he looked great in
the video, but in his own mind,
863
00:50:55,013 --> 00:50:58,600
he hated the way that he looked.
864
00:50:58,601 --> 00:51:01,226
And some people mentioned,
I think it's called baking,
865
00:51:01,227 --> 00:51:03,312
where they, you know,
could lighten him up
866
00:51:03,313 --> 00:51:04,021
throughout the video.
867
00:51:04,022 --> 00:51:07,400
[somber music playing]
868
00:51:07,525 --> 00:51:10,235
[Gregg] I mean, that word,
I look like a monkey.
869
00:51:11,071 --> 00:51:13,421
First, it was kind of
shocking from him.
870
00:51:15,367 --> 00:51:19,537
I'm thinking, here's this huge,
amazing artist
871
00:51:19,621 --> 00:51:22,832
and his own issues
with self-image...
872
00:51:22,916 --> 00:51:27,921
actually became a form of like
self-sabotage with his career.
873
00:51:28,046 --> 00:51:31,091
[ominous music playing]
874
00:51:31,092 --> 00:51:35,052
[Shana] I remember a lot of
the Black community
875
00:51:35,053 --> 00:51:40,183
felt like he had deserted them
876
00:51:40,266 --> 00:51:44,104
and thought that
he didn't want to be Black.
877
00:51:45,021 --> 00:51:47,315
And it was really difficult
878
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,527
because he was in the tabloids
every week.
879
00:51:52,237 --> 00:51:54,072
He sort of became a joke.
880
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,784
First problem
is the sex problem.
881
00:51:57,867 --> 00:52:00,578
The problem being,
we don't know what sex he is.
882
00:52:01,913 --> 00:52:04,457
[crowd cheering, applauding]
883
00:52:05,291 --> 00:52:07,761
The latest of
the Michael Jackson rumors.
884
00:52:07,762 --> 00:52:10,004
Are Michael Jackson
and his sister La Toya Jackson
885
00:52:10,005 --> 00:52:13,174
actually the same person?
886
00:52:13,258 --> 00:52:17,429
I'm here with Lars Bunquist
of the IOFCIRA,
887
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:20,514
the Institute of Facial Changes
in Recording Artists.
888
00:52:20,515 --> 00:52:22,808
And I understand you had
a grant for the last six years
889
00:52:22,809 --> 00:52:24,226
to study the facial changes
in Michael Jackson.
890
00:52:24,227 --> 00:52:28,732
That's correct, Dave.
It's been a full-time job.
891
00:52:28,733 --> 00:52:33,319
[reporter 20] For most of us,
he's just Whacko-Jacko.
892
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,112
And if some of the press
are to be believed,
893
00:52:35,113 --> 00:52:37,615
he sleeps in an oxygen tank,
894
00:52:37,699 --> 00:52:40,285
often with a chimp,
a snake, and an alien.
895
00:52:40,286 --> 00:52:43,662
[reporter 21] When you think
of Michael Jackson,
896
00:52:43,663 --> 00:52:45,956
you don't first think
what a great artist,
897
00:52:45,957 --> 00:52:47,458
what a definitive performer.
898
00:52:47,459 --> 00:52:49,711
You think, what a weird guy.
899
00:52:49,712 --> 00:52:51,503
[reporter 22] Record stores
have been reporting
900
00:52:51,504 --> 00:52:53,630
disappointing sales
for the new album.
901
00:52:53,631 --> 00:52:55,341
Some have already
begun taking down
902
00:52:55,342 --> 00:52:57,302
the Bad promotional posters.
903
00:52:57,303 --> 00:53:01,305
[Gregg] The Bad album had been
released in the late '80s,
904
00:53:01,306 --> 00:53:03,956
but it hadn't been
as successful as Thriller.
905
00:53:03,957 --> 00:53:07,186
We had to get him back
to basics as an artist,
906
00:53:07,187 --> 00:53:11,649
as a singer, and get away
from the wacky personas
907
00:53:11,650 --> 00:53:13,692
and the trappings
and everything else and stuff.
908
00:53:13,693 --> 00:53:16,823
- [somber music playing]
- [camera shutter clicking]
909
00:53:22,202 --> 00:53:26,039
[Shana] We had to make him
more relatable
910
00:53:26,122 --> 00:53:28,500
to the public,
to answer the questions
911
00:53:28,583 --> 00:53:33,046
that people had about him,
about his skin, about Bubbles,
912
00:53:33,171 --> 00:53:36,549
about everything,
because up to that point,
913
00:53:36,633 --> 00:53:39,010
Michael hadn't done
a major interview.
914
00:53:39,094 --> 00:53:41,429
People hadn't heard him talk.
915
00:53:41,554 --> 00:53:44,849
People didn't know
anything about him.
916
00:53:46,601 --> 00:53:49,771
And then Michael's managers
had this idea
917
00:53:49,896 --> 00:53:53,775
that he should do an
Oprah Winfrey interview.
918
00:53:54,734 --> 00:53:58,488
- [suspenseful music playing]
- [indistinct chatter]
919
00:54:04,744 --> 00:54:08,456
And the whole objective
for that interview
920
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:12,752
was to humanize him
to the world.
921
00:54:12,877 --> 00:54:16,007
Oprah was calling every day
like five or six times a day.
922
00:54:16,047 --> 00:54:22,220
Nothing was left to chance.
His whole career, his reputation
923
00:54:22,303 --> 00:54:25,515
were dependent on
this interview going well.
924
00:54:30,228 --> 00:54:33,440
Ladies and gentlemen,
Michael Jackson.
925
00:54:33,441 --> 00:54:34,523
Hey.
926
00:54:34,524 --> 00:54:36,484
- [Oprah] Hello. Hey.
- Hey.
927
00:54:36,568 --> 00:54:38,862
Well, how nervous
are you right now?
928
00:54:40,155 --> 00:54:42,866
- How what?
- How nervous are you right now?
929
00:54:42,867 --> 00:54:45,492
I'm not nervous at all, actually.
930
00:54:45,493 --> 00:54:47,995
- [Oprah] You really aren't?
- No, I never get nervous.
931
00:54:47,996 --> 00:54:49,580
- [Oprah] You don't?
- No.
932
00:54:49,581 --> 00:54:51,540
[Oprah] Not even
for your first interview
933
00:54:51,541 --> 00:54:53,626
and it's live around the world?
934
00:54:53,627 --> 00:54:54,960
I thought you'd be a little
nervous, but that's great,
935
00:54:54,961 --> 00:54:57,851
because if you're not nervous,
I won't be nervous.
936
00:54:57,852 --> 00:54:59,089
[Michael chuckles]
937
00:54:59,090 --> 00:55:01,634
I just wanted to
let the world know...
938
00:55:01,635 --> 00:55:03,343
[Gregg] We were all
watching it on TV
939
00:55:03,344 --> 00:55:05,347
and it was pretty eye-opening.
940
00:55:05,472 --> 00:55:08,683
I think it really was
the first time that I can recall
941
00:55:08,767 --> 00:55:11,394
where he ever sat down
for a length of time,
942
00:55:11,478 --> 00:55:15,106
answered the questions
that we all wanted to know...
943
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:17,150
and was really pretty candid.
944
00:55:17,275 --> 00:55:20,570
I was actually surprised
how candid he was.
945
00:55:20,653 --> 00:55:24,491
The main thing in that Oprah
interview that was talked about
946
00:55:24,574 --> 00:55:28,119
was his answer to
his skin color changing.
947
00:55:28,203 --> 00:55:31,333
[Oprah] The color of your skin
is obviously different
948
00:55:31,334 --> 00:55:32,581
than it was
when you were younger.
949
00:55:32,582 --> 00:55:36,503
- [Michael] Yeah.
- [Oprah] And so, I think...
950
00:55:36,504 --> 00:55:38,962
it has caused a great deal
of speculation
951
00:55:38,963 --> 00:55:42,717
and controversy as to what
you have done or are doing.
952
00:55:42,718 --> 00:55:45,135
Are you bleaching your skin?
And, have, are-
953
00:55:45,136 --> 00:55:47,888
Is your skin lighter because
you don't like being Black?
954
00:55:47,889 --> 00:55:51,601
Number one, this is a situation.
I have a skin disorder
955
00:55:51,684 --> 00:55:54,396
that destroys the
pigmentation of the skin.
956
00:55:54,479 --> 00:55:56,606
It's something
that I cannot help.
957
00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:59,192
Okay, but...
when people make up stories
958
00:55:59,317 --> 00:56:02,028
that I don't want to be
who I am, it hurts me.
959
00:56:02,112 --> 00:56:04,489
[Oprah] So, it is.
960
00:56:05,573 --> 00:56:08,243
It's a problem for me.
Okay, I can't control it.
961
00:56:08,244 --> 00:56:09,743
I'm a Black American.
962
00:56:09,744 --> 00:56:11,161
I'm proud to be
a Black American.
963
00:56:11,162 --> 00:56:14,874
[indistinct chatter]
964
00:56:14,958 --> 00:56:18,028
The Black community was
really relieved to hear that.
965
00:56:18,044 --> 00:56:22,465
You know, I remember people
saying, "Oh, that's why it was."
966
00:56:22,466 --> 00:56:24,091
"Of course, Michael
wouldn't desert us."
967
00:56:24,092 --> 00:56:26,928
"He has a disease."
968
00:56:26,929 --> 00:56:29,430
It makes me feel some
of the pain that he's feeling
969
00:56:29,431 --> 00:56:31,231
because I can look in his eyes
970
00:56:31,232 --> 00:56:33,225
and I can see
the hurt in his eyes.
971
00:56:33,226 --> 00:56:34,977
You know, he looks like
he's so lonely and so hurt.
972
00:56:34,978 --> 00:56:38,898
You know, and it makes me
want to just reach out to him.
973
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:41,590
[Shana] And it worked.
974
00:56:42,819 --> 00:56:46,906
And it really changed a lot of
people's perceptions of him.
975
00:56:47,032 --> 00:56:49,242
[indistinct chatter]
976
00:56:49,367 --> 00:56:52,871
[Shana] It felt like
Michael was back on top.
977
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:10,640
[Rosibel] My name
is Rosibel Smith.
978
00:57:11,973 --> 00:57:16,519
In 1993, I was working the
sexually exploited child unit.
979
00:57:16,603 --> 00:57:20,774
A case had come in
involving a young boy
980
00:57:20,899 --> 00:57:24,235
who was 13 years of age
and that the perpetrator
981
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:26,154
was Michael Jackson.
982
00:57:26,237 --> 00:57:28,865
[suspenseful music playing]
983
00:57:33,912 --> 00:57:37,707
[Rosibel] We knew that it was
going to be a huge case.
984
00:57:45,215 --> 00:57:49,969
[dramatic music playing]
985
00:57:50,019 --> 00:57:54,569
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