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Yeah. Plug Talk is the best. Only podcast where the host smash the guest.

Yeah. Plug Talk is the best. Only podcast where the host smash the guest.

Yeah. All right. Welcome back to Plug Talk. I'm here with the lovely Lena the

Plug. Hi, everyone. And today we are speaking to someone who we just a few

months ago down together. Well, I guess I was the... Mostly. I was not the dick.

Right. This is the one and only Cherie DeVille. Ooh, hello.

Did I pronounce it correctly?

Yes, you actually did, which is amazing.

No one ever does. What do people say instead?

Cherie DeVille.

Cherie... All kinds of crazy stuff, yeah. Wow. Well, they need to read a

Well, I don't correct them that harshly, but yeah.

I just couldn't think of it going any other way. I agree.

You know, sherry is cooking wine. Cherry is a fruit. Cherie is the name.

Cherie. Cherie DeVille.

Can I call you the MILF? You can.

The MILF. The MILF. The MILF. The MILF. We were just talking about that. There

are certain things.

You've been put into this MILF category your whole time in the industry because

you actually entered the industry a bit later. So it's kind of an interesting

plot that you have going here that's different than a lot of people, huh?

I think most, I would imagine most people start when they're pretty young.

The age when we're the most attractive and you make the most money. But then

there was this change.

I don't know if it was like Lisa Ann when she did that nail and palin thing.

But in the early 2000s, the whole genre of MILF became.

huge and there weren't many people to fill that role some people like julia

started when she was young and then did teen and then babe and then up to milf

but there's a few of us that started now that it's a thing as like full -ass

adults right so what were you doing for all those years because you hopped into

the world at what 34

32, 33, 34, somewhere in there, yeah. What were you doing with your life prior

to that? I'm still a physical therapist.

Oh, okay. Isn't that cool?

That's amazing. I think it's so cool. When you told me that, I was like,

amazing. Wow, so that's what you went to school for, and that's what you did for

your whole adulthood?

Yeah, it turns out my brain makes, like, way more money than my brain.

I would actually have assumed that. No offense.

It's just that it seems like it's kind of easy to monetize a vagina.

She's a moneymaker, and I'm glad. And I can just sort of let the brain part take

a little bit. When you were just a civilian, were you engaged with your

sexuality? Were you running around in these streets? Were you in a

What was that like? I don't do this anymore just out of respect for my

coworkers, but I was a huge swinger. I would go to swingers' clubs every

weekend, fuck whoever, the exhibition.

I liked fucking. people were watching i liked being invited into people's

relationships like yeah okay so how did you get into that and this is very

interesting yeah i'm very interested in the swinger world we went to one party

which i might end up telling you about a bit later i've talked about on the

podcast like a million times but i'm interested how did you find out about

world and how did you what were the first couple times it was a little bit

hard work because my first couple times were terrible it's actually hard to find

a club and i would recommend private clubs and this is going to sound But for

me, I like the clubs where you have to submit your resume.

You have to show your picture, and then you're either let in or not.

So that, to me, I enjoy certain types of people. I enjoy attractive people.

If you go to one of those clubs, it's a little more exclusive.

You're not offended that you have to fill out this crazy long resume when you

go? No, and it also, at least when I was in Nashville, Tennessee, I think it was

part of the legality of having it because it was never at people's houses.

It was at a pre -standing club.

only purpose was to be a swingers club three stories of like stages and like

couches and all kinds of different like interesting equipment and stuff like

that so in order to have alcohol and people and it had to be a private club

right yeah so that was the way to yeah the application process makes total

to me because i mean pitcher being in an average club What percentage of the

people in this club do you want to have sex with? Like, probably not a huge

percentage, right? Do you ever play that game at the airport? Who's... Yeah.

Because I do that in my head all the time. I'll be like, babe, who's... Right

now. That was me bored in high school looking around the science class

if I had to have... Someone in here, who would it be? I'm like really trying to

rank them in my head because I was that bored. I haven't done that in probably

20 years.

That's what you were doing in science class? At least sometimes, yeah.

Wow, never thought of that game in science class, I'm not going to lie.

I mean, sometimes you just think like if I had to reproduce with someone, who

would it be?

So, okay, the swingers club, once you start going, what was your first time

like? Did you just go crazy on your first time? My first few times?

were not in this private club. So I was like, I don't know if I'm going to like

it. I'd find like the one or two cute people at the club and like them. And it

was fine, but it wasn't like the experience that I had, like the fantasy

head. Yeah.

It's probably like anyone you imagine going into a room with like scantily

gorgeous women on the stripper poles. And they might not be all out to you,

they're all ready to be.

tonight right do you know what i mean yeah so yeah that's cool that's my so

beautiful people scantily clad ready to and you're still into the swinging thing

like if you weren't working if i weren't working i would definitely do it yeah i

feel like working satisfies what's the exact same thing working and swinging

kind of the same in that you get to have awesome without the emotional string so

work Totally fills that void for me. It's a little bit less spontaneous

Do you miss like the spontaneity of not knowing who you're going to land?

Yes. And the part I miss the most is the chase.

It turns out I like the chase as much as I like this.

I like, especially with women, I feel like it's a challenge.

And when you get to them after like flirting and whatever you do, it's like

feels really emotionally successful.

club kind of takes away some of the challenge, right? Because you're sort of

going in there and is it almost like everybody there is just going to be down

Have you put in the request or an incredibly high percentage?

It's hard to say.

It's hard to say. And yeah, you'll find like, you'll find maybe a couple you

like. And it's almost like everyone's like vetting each other for a job

interview that's happening at 3 a .m. Right. Like you're there at 11. And you

know, for the next few hours, everyone's like, you know. I feel like that was so

fun. Is everybody hooking up like right there in front of you? Or is it kind of

like later on things to start to go down?

is different you know there's always like the people that are like making out

the dance floor and this and that and then at least in the clubs i've been to

there are areas for exhibition right where anyone is allowed to walk by

completely in the open and then areas that you can close like you find a few

people that you like you go off into a private room how many people are there

sorry i'm just like very curious how what this looks like all these people

same place. Is it like a hundred, a hundred? Okay. Not that maybe.

Yeah. Give me some hot experiences that took place in this kind of environment.

Like, cause I'm sure that you have nights that are not so great.

Yeah. There are plenty of nights where I just, just never felt like the vibe

with people. I'd say like best for me, best case scenario is finding a couple

looking for a third. Cause I just.

I don't know. Stuff like this is like my jam for whatever reason.

Worst case scenario, and this happens a lot, like say there's like a time when

I'm in a relationship or something and that guy doesn't like to do full swap

then you're trying to find the unicorn is what they're called in the swingers

world, the single women that want to be with just you two. It's tough. Full

swap's easier. So it's hard to find the third even though you want to be the

third. If you just want a third, that's hard.

Really? I like to be the third, but it's hard to find the third. Usually it's

couples. So if we were going, you would have a hard time.

It's hard to find a unicorn. If you're a super hot chick, you got all kinds of

options for getting d***. If you're a couple looking to f*** a girl, a little

bit harder.

If you're just a dude just trying to get some girl. I still want to try and go

to one of these one day because she's convincing me that it's really fun. It's

so f***ing fun.

Even if you just go, and I've done this a million times, and you just f***. who

you came with in public right and you notice the crowd starts to build i don't

know it really does it for me wow yeah it'd be weird to be like we're doing

a good job high five look at us we always do it for money so it'd be weird

doing it in front of a room of people for free you're like now but it turns

on so it's like i'm a celebrity i ain't going to this shit they're gonna be

telling me and shit that's like gonna be kind of weird There's a crazy no phones

rule. There better be, right?

Absolutely.

I feel like everyone would mob you and take your phone from you if you pulled

your phone out and tried to film it. I'm going to put a GoPro on my head.

Here, I guess the concern would be celebrity. It's L .A. But in Nashville,

concern is high -level professionals.

Oh, right. That's true.

Oh, just.

And it gets kinky. I mean, there's Jews getting fucked.

There's simple acts that you might not want to get out. You know what I mean?

I'm in the sex club and I start smelling dookie, from a couple of brothers in

the corner, I'm going to be like, oh, maybe this made the clip for me. I don't

know. Much respect. Our first AVN, we got really excited and we went to this

party that they had to shuttle us off to. It was all low -key.

And we thought, oh, we're going to have so much sex tonight. It's going to be so

hot. And then all we did was Adam watched this first guy get fucked by a

with a...

And he was like, this is not interesting.

I never felt more vanilla in my life.

And I tweeted about it. And sure enough, people from like the BDSM community and

shit were quote tweeting me LOLing at my ass being like, oh my God, when the

vanilla people show up at this party.

And I'm like, yo, like I'm not allowed to be shocked by this guy getting.

got some chig like right i i if that makes me vanilla okay fine i kept

his i was like does he like it maybe he likes it no movement you're like you're

like you're like on your phone trying to pick pictures you're like no never mind

no i was on my phone like looking at twitter like just like i don't want to

at this some other shit okay but so you're doing the party thing for a while

whatever then how did you actually make the move towards Did you ever strip or

escort or anything like that? No. It was actually super random. So physical

therapists make a nice salary, but I've always been interested in the sex world,

so I thought it would be fun to do nude modeling. That's it. Just nude modeling

on the weekend for, do you know the site Model Mayhem?

Yeah. Amateur models, amateur photographers.

Right. I remember that site, yeah. Basically, they're paying to see you

the thing at the end of the day.

Um, so I did that for a while. Um, also my sexy jobs, it's kind of the same

thing. And then a headhunter for my current agency found me and was like,

you like to do? And I'm like, wait, what? Have you ever thought about it?

Maybe in a vague fantasy way, but I didn't think I wouldn't know how to get

that. How do I, who do I call?

A lot of times when girls get in the industry, their story is like, well, I

19 working at a bar and some guy came in and asked me if I want to do.

And then they sort of were like, okay, yeah, sure.

A lot of people never get the offer. Yeah, people don't know how to, like,

apply. You get the offer.

Yeah, I guess so.

But where were you? You were in L .A., were you? No, Nashville at the time.

Yeah. I would have never known. If you're going to these parties and

asks you, do you feel like it doesn't seem that scary because you've already,

like, had sex with other people? I wasn't scared at all. In fact, I was,

the only two things I did before I took my first job was call my family, and

make sure I couldn't lose my physical therapy license.

Wait, you called them first?

Well, online, man.

It's online.

I mean, I didn't want to, but... But you're a grown -ass woman at that point,

too, so... What are you going to do, like, two years in, get a phone call and

like, Uncle Joey saw you on the... I mean, that's not what we did.

That's what everybody does, yeah. Everybody just lets their parents find

right? Nobody calls them and debriefs them beforehand.

But, like, they're going to find out, like, to me, I have two choices.

Okay, three choices.

Don't do ****.

But if you're going to do ****, which I really wanted to, you have two choices.

Create a rift by letting them find out on their own or tell them.

But what if you did one scene and it sucked, you hated it, you never wanted

do it again, and then you told your family you were going to do ****?

I didn't tell them I was going to do ****. I told them what I thought I was

going to do, which was go to L .A. for one week, shoot the **** that my agent

got me, and then be like, look at my ****. crazy shit Nana did when I'm 90.

was my whole goal.

And I just really loved it. You were going to get it filmed and then not let

them put it out?

No, I was going to let them put it out, but just as like, almost like as a sign

that I really lived life. Right. You know, almost like a, I don't know if

bragging thing or like, like I ran a marathon. I went skydiving. I did a.

It just made me feel like I was really living, taking experiences and living.

you feel like that's kind of like an antiquated mind state now when girls

get all like the first, they get fired from the diner and they're like, well,

it's time, you know. It wasn't, I came in at the tail end of the video era.

So I feel like even then, you either were or

Right. Do you know what I mean?

You were either getting hired by the big companies or, I don't know, you were

just a weird amateur. I don't know. Maybe like 20 or 30 years ago, I feel

you could have done porn and maybe your parents never find out because you have

to physically get it.

That would have been a challenge. Not only physically get it, but admit.

to your child or niece or whoever that you bought the video and then you did

And it's shitty quality. It's like VHS. So that's not me. I couldn't be anybody.

When it's HD, it's like no. Oh, and the amount of makeup in the 90s? You'd be

like, no, that's not me.

That's you. Yeah.

Oh, I'm just so shocked that you, like you did it in such a grown up way. I'm

going to call my family and make sure I can't lose my license. Yeah, you were an

adult. You do five.

And now you've ruined your whole career. What if I hated it? Yeah. And wanted to

like go back to work. But so did you absolutely love it at the first scene

absolutely fucking loved it. Really? Yeah. What was your first scene like?

Well, my first, I did Girl Girl for years.

Oh, okay. Because I wasn't sure about those boys.

So your first? I wasn't sure.

Your first scene, you didn't do any several guys for years?

Years. Wow. Yeah. Just because I thought maybe.

You thought the dicks were too big?

I thought the dicks might be too big.

And most importantly, I was concerned that, like, I had this, like, image of

male talent being, like, jerks or something.

Really? You know, I don't know if it's that I like to watch really hardcore

porn, and I just wasn't sure, like, are they actually mean? Are they, you know?

So it wasn't until I, like, met male talent, became friends with male talent,

was like, oh.

I feel like some of them are totally fine. The nicest, softies, like,

sweethearts that you ever meet. I feel like the guys who go really far in the

pop world are guys that women just really, really like. Like, I have been

bar and seen Joni Sins walk up and just seen multiple different girls, like,

jumping on this dude and hugging him, but they're obsessed with him. And I'm

like, oh, like, that's his pop star right there. Like, the kind of guy that

these girls love working with him, you know?

and remembers if Johnny's been there.

I'll tell you that.

He leaves a memory.

Wow. Yeah, I feel like I just hear girls say some nice things about him and

other big performers all the time.

They're so nice. So you met some dudes. You're like, all right, you're not going

to kill me.

And then told my agent I was ready.

Right. So were you just doing a bunch of lesbian milk then?

Yeah. Wow, that's a big category.

You know, I only moved here to LA to work full time five or six years

ago. Okay. So I was mostly just being a physical therapist and like going to LA

every other month and shooting.

And then coming home. And did your clients find out?

Did my what? Did your clients ever find out? No one's ever said anything. Wow.

This day.

That's amazing.

That is amazing. She helped me with my tendonitis, and now she's in the middle.

People are pretty polite, don't you think? Like, they might just not say it.

even now.

But even, I don't know.

I mean, I try and kind of look really plain at work, but I think, I don't know

if they're like, this looks like a, or I don't want to ruin this professional

relationship with someone who's helping me by saying something weird and sexual.

I'm also, like, super fucking professional.

Because you still practice now. Yeah, a little bit, but yeah.

Enough to keep my license. I wouldn't say like I'm practicing.

I just work enough to keep my license.

So compare the feeling at the end of a scene after shooting with a girl to the

feeling after shooting with one or more dudes who have massive oversized

eggplant. Talk to me about, is it different the day of work? How different

it feel?

Well, physically, it's obviously harder to work with guys, and it's not the

dick, actually.

So that, yeah, some guys' dicks are on my no list just because it's too much.

Really? You have a no list for that? Wow.

You have a no list for anything, right? If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit.

Nobody's going to want to see it. If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. If it

doesn't fit, you must acquit, yes.

So that's it. Yeah.

But I think the real hard part about a boy girl is the athleticism involved in

the positions that need to be done on camera.

So girl, girl, not always, but.

80 % of the time is a little more, it can be very passionate, but it's more

romantic.

Lots of the positions include one or more of you just laying on your back,

know, and you just, maybe you're moving one leg instead of being in six inch

stilettos, doing 15 minutes of squats, uh, seven inches off the ground to ride

it facing the camera with no eye contact with the dude. It's not quite, you know

what I mean?

Yeah. So it's just like way more.

athletic right so you're i'm tired like i went to the gym no i could definitely

see that and you got a gnarly ass workout partner who's just pushing you

absolute limit yeah and then you have so many like endorphins and it feels so

good i feel like you push further than you would if it didn't feel good but

right after the scene's done you're like and then you're like or like if you

have to go back and do soft core you're like i don't know i don't know man i

might be tapped out

That makes sense. Let me ask you this.

Do you on set? Has it happened?

Not every time, but yeah. How much enjoyment are you actually getting out

And what's the scene where you can remember getting the most actual

your end?

Really? I swear to God, every girl.

Emily Willis was just in here and she was doing the exact same thing.

It's kind of insane.

It's like pressing every pleasure button at the same time.

Kind of almost like using Hitachi for this first time. It can be a little like

sensory overwhelming.

But for me, it's fun for two reasons. The sensation.

It touches everything you want it to.

And this might be because I'm a MILF. So MILFs are almost always in complete

control of the scene. And I'm naturally submissive. So that's fine.

but it doesn't flip all my switches.

And if you're in complete control of the scene, the dialogue, the positions, and

what everyone else is doing, you're a little bit in your head. So that takes

away a little bit for me if I'm thinking too much.

But if there's two dudes, they're just throwing you around like a fucking rag

doll. I don't have to think. I don't have to choose a position.

My only job is to get...

and enjoy it. Wow.

That's it.

Isn't that funny that probably the average person who watches porn, if they

the dude, they're thinking that there's no way the girl likes it and they're

thinking it's just for the movie, just for the dude. They're just going to

assume that the girl's not enjoying it. That's interesting. I think the girl

enjoys it ten times more than the dudes because, and I pick my dudes based on

their relationship, not my desire to fuck them because it's so much more

important that the dudes have chemistry and I don't mean sexually.

Wow. But it's like a dance. And if the dudes don't know each other, it actually

doesn't feel good. They're not vibing and stepping on each other.

They're not vibing. They're like, everyone's at weird times. They're like

fighting for the pussy. No one wants to anchor.

There's like weird masculine energy. Wow, things I've never thought about.

Yeah. And then I'm like, don't fight over me, boys. No, it's kind of

don't know if I would. Yeah, doing it.

Somebody that you are not like close homies with would be kind of weird, but

then doing it with your best homie would be also weird. I feel like your no list

is very long. My best homies, yeah, yeah. Like they're not like probably

to do.

with me anyway so it's like you need like a medium homie like someone who's

about to be your best friend but they're not there yet so it's awkward but

you're like man you're a cool dude yeah my nuts could rub on yours a little bit

it's all good yeah two years from now you'll be best friends you gotta find a

new one but you know yeah so the vagina is fought over in the scenario the anal

is a little bit less desirable

It probably depends on the girl, but for me, I like to be, like, really relaxed,

and my butt does open up pretty good. So depending on their size, I think my

vagina would give more sensation than, like, after 30 minutes in my ass.

Right. Yeah.

So much respect for my president. But anal is probably a lot more work because

you still have to be in control, and then you're doing the same exact thing,

you're doing it in anal, right?

You don't have to do anything. You don't have to do anything. I feel like you're

in the air, not even touching the ground half the time. I'm just getting carried

around. You're just getting.

Yeah. Knocking the lights is making me sound really good. It's really good.

I'm wondering how I can make it happen.

So besides anything in particular that really stands out to you that you've

gotten a lot of pleasure from, you ever do big and shit like that? I do. I like

it's similar in that the only problem with at least the ones that I've done,

And you'll see this even in a lot of top performer because you'll have like one

to three good male talent.

And then everybody else is honestly spending 90 % of the time in the corner.

then you don't know as the viewer, because when they roll in, they roll in

strong, but then they're just, it's like kind of distracting.

Right.

One,

is he going to get to like, am I attractive?

Like, or like, I don't know. It's a lot of,

It's a lot of plates to keep in the air. If I was going to produce a game, it's

like, yes, you do. You probably want to pay the full rate for a couple of top

-notch pros.

And then you might want to get, like, a couple guys you saw standing outside the

Home Depot or whatever. Like, yo, you need a day's work? Let's go. We're going

to get tested.

I'm buying you a nice little outfit. Let's go. It's almost like that.

Wow.

It's almost like that. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Where you're like, I've never

met you after 10 years. That's not good.

I can't stand watching porn where I can see the guy in the corner.

So I can't imagine being. They do film that sometimes? Sometimes I see it. And

I'm like, get him the fuck out of here. Usually they're like, the director will

be like.

So I can't. I remember I came upon a.

I was very young.

And that was a real eye opener for me because, you know, I'm like 15 watching.

And you start to realize like, oh, I just watched 50 dudes on this chick.

all have different sizes. They all have different.

Some of these dudes are having to go to town.

It's like really weird. And that's sort of how awkward this must actually be at

times. Yeah.

Imagine this.

Imagine knowing that pretty much people aren't going to get paid until you.

And like, okay, the first guy, you're like, no, I'm good. I'm good. The second

guy, third, fourth. Now 20 people are waiting for you to come. Like, how can

come like that?

I don't doubt myself though. I feel like if I, if I'm there to be part of it,

I'm going to just walk up and do it. Well, then you'd be one of the first

to come. You wouldn't be that guy in the corner going, shit, I'm not getting

paid. I don't think I could get so nervous that I wouldn't be able to. At

I've never been that. I can only think of a couple of times in my life where I

haven't been able to get.

For one, it was the middle of the winter. This girl's house, I swear, the

on the house were so thin that I could, like, feel the wind through the house.

That didn't work.

And then there's been a couple times where I was, like, depressed and I

get hard. Absolutely.

For the most part, I feel like, you know, when it's time to do it, it's like

banging a nail into the wall.

You might not be in the mood, but I could do it.

You're like, you like her?

Yeah, we're good. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's like, you know.

I think, yeah, and then the worst is if they want you, the girl, to make all,

like, however many of them.

You know what I mean? If they're just, you're right, you have control, but

sometimes they want to see it happen with you, and that's really hard to time

with men that you've never dropped before.

Right. Like, I don't have time to ask.

There's so many people in the room.

There's so many people, so I remember everyone wants.

And when you're watching, like, a scene, like, there'll be, like, two dudes,

like, actually.

And then you will watch one guy, whoo, she like runs in there because he's

to blow. He's ready.

He can't miss this. And it's so obvious. And you're like.

that's an amateur. You need to go back to do your homework.

It's funny.

Wow. It's a weird dynamic.

I feel like your wrist would just like fall off.

Yeah. And then like, then you wonder, cause like these people are also your

friends. You're like, did I pay like way more attention to one of them than the

other? Are they going to have her feelings?

Maybe the guys don't care, but like I care. I feel like you're letting us in

your personality.

You actually care about how these douchebags feel. Well, like if you're

with them.

I mean, some people I've been working with for the past 10 years.

Wow. So, you know, you don't want to roll on and be like, ugh, I have to work

with Cherie again today. I remember a few years ago. Like, who knows? I feel

like I hear this from a lot of girls. They really do care about their on -set

relationships a lot because they want all the scenes going forward to work

really well. You can't assume that you're not going to work with this

again unless you put them on your know list. Of course. Yeah. But otherwise, if

you both end up in the A -list, the group of working people. You're going to

work with them, especially men, constantly.

There aren't that many A -list dudes.

I feel like I work with the same 20 people just all the time. I had somebody

tell me that, like, oh, people think I'm a different dude every day. In reality,

I'm just the same 30 guys over and over and over.

Kind of, yeah. New people come in and stuff, but yeah.

But the top, like, if you're working for top companies, they're not gambling on

guys they don't know, so.

Same old, same old. So let me ask you this.

In terms of your personal life, how has it sort of changed you? Do you feel like

you're getting a lot of the sort of deviant, like crazy energy that you were

looking for in the swinger clubs? Do you get a lot of that from that makes your

normal day -to -day life a little bit more normal or your relationship type at

this point? I actually, I mix it up, of course. Like I want to have the kinky.

I want to have this and that. But now I really almost fetishize connected, like

quiet, like sometimes into each other. Like, and that was something that I

didn't do that much before. I wanted to be like, yeah, and tossed around and

this person in that. And now I feel like there's like a place for me for that

type of too.

Yeah. Definitely.

I like it. It's more rare now.

It's like special. It's actually super special. Yeah. Yeah. And rare. So that

almost feels like the birthday.

You know, or whatever it is for the vanilla.

But if you stop doing tomorrow, then. Then it would have to change.

Yeah. Birthday is a thing. Like there's normal dudes who like they only get.

On their birthday? Don't you think? Is that just in sitcoms or is that like a

real thing? I feel like you're probably right. I haven't heard that before, but

that makes sense to me. I might have just been hearing it in like, you know,

sitcoms. If I was a regular guy who had a girlfriend that didn't like it, then,

and I like, because yeah, I feel like that's kind of what has like demystified

it to me. When I was young, I was so obsessed with it.

And now I'm like, as a grown man, I've done it. When we first started hanging

out, that's like, you were like, you're down with it. I remember you were like

really like excited.

Yeah. Yeah. Because that was before I was even doing like a lot of Snapchat

Yeah. And you were really interested in the fact that I was down to do that, I

remember. No, yeah, but now having a girlfriend for four years who's down to

it, and having done it on camera so many times and stuff, it doesn't have that

thing that it used to have in my head.

It's different on camera, though, I think. Well, for me, it's different on

camera because of the outrageous amounts of prep.

Yes. So when I haven't eaten.

I have less energy.

So I feel like my at -home is more fun. Yeah. Just because I'm like, I got

glucose. I'm focused. I'm there.

A lot less pressure. One thing I realized from posting a clip of you on

Twitter earlier is that you have a shitload of fans.

Like, how do you...

She's very popular.

Yeah. How do you think about that? Like, do you take a lot of consideration of

what your fans want from you in terms of your content? And do you engage with

them a lot? Does it, like, make you feel really good when you post a new piece

of content and you get this crazy reaction from them?

Well, two things. So, like, I think it's because I'm 42, right?

So I did not grow up with any kind of digital friends. Right. Any kind of

media, MySpace, Facebook, any of that.

So I don't really feel like digital relationships are as real. So I don't

I feel my fans as much as some people feel their fans. They feel a little

abstract to me, but I definitely consider what they want, especially now

I'm marketing myself and selling my own stuff.

But the real people that made my brand wasn't me.

Like you made your brand, right? You decided all your choices. You made your

brand. I came in before making your own brand was relevant.

So they made me a MILF and a stepmom and a cougar and all of those sort of like

older woman fantasies and built a beautiful and amazing fan base for me.

So when I started building my own content, I'm like, all right, guys, are

going to do this? Like they're already there, kind of. And then so I just am

still. feeding into what was built for me could i get a different fan base and

start doing only football probably but like this is the one that was kind of

like pre -packaged and like handed to me by the industry have you stepped out of

the stepmom milf role and has anyone i have a lot of variety in my content but

definitely keep the milf tropes that i've been given as sort of like like a

doesn't go by that on like my or whatever platforms that I don't do some

of, whether it's my, you know, a neighborhood, you know, kid or, you

sort of older woman fantasy is absolutely on a weekly basis on my

Wow. All your content is so scenario -based. I remember when we first worked

together, she was like, so what does your audience think Adam is? Like, do

know who he is?

say the wrong thing you know like when we're on camera like let the cat out of

the bag you know just want to make sure what's his name no but it might be nice

honestly to be like an anonymous

A guy who can just easily, like, fit into a lot of different roles. Because

me, it's just so obvious. You can never be my Uber driver.

He can never be my Uber driver.

We put him in a Domino's shirt, but it's, like, obviously not a Domino's

So it doesn't really work for me.

That's hilarious.

We should try making my stepson, though. That would be really funny. That would

be so funny. I'm so much bigger than you. It seems, like, really, like, if

anything. You're, like, a stepdaughter thing, which, wow, it sounds creepy when

you do it the other way. But that's just, like.

I don't know. Because you look like, if anything, you are much younger than me.

I don't know.

I'm POV. You just see the dick, though. They don't know how old that dick is.

Yeah,

they'd know it was you. It'd be a little bit of a suspension of disbelief. Maybe

I could airbrush my skin a different tone.

Nog on black side.

Or black tube area.

I can't imagine she starts...

I know a lot of the Japanese girls, they like them to look really pure. So

they'll spend like hours airbrushing their tattoos away before they film

scenes. A lot of the top Japanese talent is heavily tattooed, right? Or like

Akusa adjacent, but they just make them look clean slate.

Wow. They want to feed into that like submissive.

I guess. I heard they just legalize tattoos in Japan.

Really? That's weird.

We can go to the spa now together? Yeah, because we went to Japan and they

wouldn't let us in the spa. Oh, yeah.

Wow,

interesting. That's crazy.

Yeah, I bet they cross the street when they see all your tattoos. They're like,

damn!

But you know the weird thing about Japan is that everybody is so polite that

it's not even like, they definitely do think I'm fucking weird as fuck, but

are so polite that they won't even look at me and communicate the fact that

they're, you know? If only they knew that all we did every day there was play

Pokemon Go and that we're not threatening at all. Oh, heck yeah.

polite that they ain't even like, oh, you want to get in the way? Are there

really good Pokemon in Japan? Are there different Pokemon in Japan?

It's like the whole place is a Pokemon theme park. More Pokemon.

But you know what I remember? there was like girls who realized that we were

lost and just came up to us and asked if we need help. So you couldn't have

looked that threatening. Do you remember that? Yeah.

They could tell we were lost and they just like were like show us a map and

just showed us how to get to where we wanted to go. I like that. Yeah. Japan

seems like probably one of the worst places on earth if you were looking to

line up a casual.

You can't even talk to anybody.

Didn't we have one girl hitting us up the whole time we were there and wanted

hang out and then like she was weird as fuck. I think you're probably thinking

somewhere else only that happened in Japan.

No.

Maybe. That'd be a great... It'd be fun.

It's been a long time.

We'll get there again. We'll go to that swingers club. I really want to go. I

think it's a good in -between between the tons of effort... Maybe I'm lazy.

tons of effort it takes to pick someone up at a bar, especially a woman, and

then you could hire someone. I feel like it's a good in -between.

It's a little easier than the bar.

Spontaneity.

You've never hired him a hooker? No. But wouldn't that be fun to just, like,

actually support the worker economy? I still think that's fun. You know, I want

to help.

You know, let's get in there. Yeah. Like, that would be cool. No.

I don't even know how to hire a fucking hooker. One of my best friends, I'm

going to tell you. I can't say who it is. In case he finds out.

One of my best friend's boyfriends wanted a hooker so bad. And she's so

She lied.

And she hired a hooker. had the meter in the bar and did the whole thing and he

never found out and he just thinks she's like a goddess now of like pick up

queen there's been times where i thought that you might have done that where we

like hooked up with a girl and i kind of almost like felt like her energy was

like

Does she not necessarily want to do this and she's just doing it because she's

sort of like, I paid her to do it, maybe?

I'm not.

Your story is not about her, by the way. It just crossed my mind.

You had to do it for me. Maybe you're thinking of somebody else. No, I'm

about you both.

If you didn't do that, then that's awesome.

No, I did not. But now I think you should.

I'm good.

In the industry. So I feel like it would be weird. Like, I forgot how to just go

to the bar and pick up girls like we used to. Or girls would be like, hey, I

think you and Adam are cute. And I'd be like, okay, let's hang out, you know?

Right. But now it would be like.

But then is it a fangirl? Now there's a lot. But this is the thing. Any girl who

hits us up on that probably has a.

And if we're going to, they need to get tested.

Yeah. So it's like, yo, like, you're bad, too. Like, you should get tested

do this.

collab you might as well monetize it as well right with condoms is the hardest

thing in the world no thanks we've done it so hard especially when the the girl

like and i totally get it wants you to like change a condom every time you go

back and forth oh my god it's like you do like it's too much work by the time

you're done you're like swimming in a sea of

It's like the whole bed is full of condoms.

Oh, and it's pervasive.

I'd rather suck a leg out.

That's gross, man.

If a girl said anything about condoms, I'd be like, listen, you go get tested,

we'll meet up again in a couple days, boom.

Sorry, I want to keep licking your ear. It's fine, you can just leave it.

It's just falling off.

Yeah,

I know. I'm pretty much like, I'm so used to going to get tested that I just

want everyone to go get tested.

Oh, now that I've done it, though.

Now that I've done it, I need it. And now I look back at how I was in my

and I was just so fucking careless.

The testing, right? Now I have to test. Now I'm, like, the most neurotic, but I

was completely fine.

Condoms, sure, but, like, careless. You're like, S -U -M -S, never going to

happen to me. If you go to the club, less than 1 % of the women are tested.

So it's like, what are the odds that they're going to be able to show you a

test? Approximately zero.

So that would be my advice to everybody. Everybody should be getting tested

every 72 hours, even if you don't do it.

Well, it depends on how many people you're testing.

If you're testing random people every weekend, then you should be getting

tested. So speaking of random people, you were saying that you like to be the

third. I love it. to be the third can you see what you saw i was kind of like

blushing last time so yeah talk about last time how did we uh deliver last

so fucking hot and i was so nervous because like i had like kind of seen you

her social media but i had like a major crush on you and then i started seeing

some of my friends working with you and i'm like oh she'll probably never ask me

but it's fine i'll just i'll just keep watching her instagram and then you

me and then i'm like I wish my Instagram would tell me who's watching my story.

It's me.

It's me a lot.

Still me a lot. We had a lot of fun. I blindfolded you and then I surprised you

with that big.

Wow.

It's a shame we're just doing a podcast.

It would be so cool if we could hook up again.

It's such a shame that we can't take these mics off and get nasty.

I just got to say it.

So time is valuable and there's no chance on earth that I'd be here if I

think there was a chance that you guys would.

There's no way to be in the room with this one without.

You think she's earned it?

Have I been a good girl?