All language subtitles for Beyond the Call

You didn't think that shirt was clean,

You didn't think that shirt was clean,
did you?

did you?

did you?
>> Yeah, I got it out of the closet. What?

>> Oh, I didn't put it there.

>> Oh, I didn't put it there.
>> Murphy called, canceled his policy. All

>> Murphy called, canceled his policy. All

>> Murphy called, canceled his policy. All
his policies.

his policies.

his policies.
>> Oh, no. Honey, why?

>> Oh, no. Honey, why?

>> Oh, no. Honey, why?
>> I don't know. Something about grease on

>> I don't know. Something about grease on

>> I don't know. Something about grease on
my shirt.

>> All right. No staring. Open the door.

>> All right. No staring. Open the door.
Retrieve the desired item. Close the

Retrieve the desired item. Close the

Retrieve the desired item. Close the
door. There you go.

door. There you go.

door. There you go.
You want to come with us?

You want to come with us?

You want to come with us?
>> Are you serious?

>> Are you serious?

>> Are you serious?
>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.
>> What if someone saw me with that?

>> What if someone saw me with that?

>> What if someone saw me with that?
>> Hey, how about you? You want to go crash

>> Hey, how about you? You want to go crash

>> Hey, how about you? You want to go crash
an airplane?

an airplane?

an airplane?
>> Did you see this? I missed it.

>> Did you see this? I missed it.

>> Did you see this? I missed it.
>> Yeah, I glanced at it. Local boy makes

>> Yeah, I glanced at it. Local boy makes

>> Yeah, I glanced at it. Local boy makes
good. Why?

good. Why?

good. Why?
>> I know him. I knew him.

>> I know him. I knew him.

>> I know him. I knew him.
>> Russell Gates. Kate, I told you about

>> Russell Gates. Kate, I told you about

>> Russell Gates. Kate, I told you about
him once. He's a old high school friend.

him once. He's a old high school friend.

him once. He's a old high school friend.
>> Sensed to death row for the murder of an

>> Sensed to death row for the murder of an

>> Sensed to death row for the murder of an
Aken South Carolina policeman. The time

Aken South Carolina policeman. The time

Aken South Carolina policeman. The time
of the murder is on escape from the

of the murder is on escape from the

of the murder is on escape from the
Glastonberry Correctional Facility here

Glastonberry Correctional Facility here

Glastonberry Correctional Facility here
in Connecticut where he's serving 15 to

in Connecticut where he's serving 15 to

in Connecticut where he's serving 15 to
28 years for manslaughter. Wow.

Did you know all that about him?

Did you know all that about him?
>> No,

>> No,

>> No,
I hadn't seen him since

I hadn't seen him since

I hadn't seen him since
high school.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.
>> Come on, Dad.

>> He was a year ahead of me.

>> He was a year ahead of me.
And

And

And
>> so

>> so

>> so
I

I

I
read a newspaper article about him. He's

read a newspaper article about him. He's

read a newspaper article about him. He's
in prison.

in prison.

in prison.
>> Ouch. And you dated him?

>> Ouch. And you dated him?

>> Ouch. And you dated him?
>> First love,

>> First love,

>> First love,
you know, first

you know, first

you know, first
No, no, puppy love. But

No, no, puppy love. But

No, no, puppy love. But
real prison

real prison

real prison
death row. Whoa.

No. I I

No. I I
just can't figure it. I mean, he was

just can't figure it. I mean, he was

just can't figure it. I mean, he was
quiet and sweet and funny and he wanted

quiet and sweet and funny and he wanted

quiet and sweet and funny and he wanted
to be a veterinarian. What'd he do? I

to be a veterinarian. What'd he do? I

to be a veterinarian. What'd he do? I
think I'm going to write him. Yeah,

think I'm going to write him. Yeah,

think I'm going to write him. Yeah,
cool. Tell him he should have stuck with

cool. Tell him he should have stuck with

cool. Tell him he should have stuck with
you. Who dumped who?

you. Who dumped who?

you. Who dumped who?
Nobody really.

Nobody really.

Nobody really.
He just went away.

He just went away.

He just went away.
>> Yeah, do it. What have you got to lose?

>> Dear Russell,

>> Dear Russell,
I don't know if you'll remember me.

I don't know if you'll remember me.

I don't know if you'll remember me.
Well, I suppose you'll remember me, but

Well, I suppose you'll remember me, but

Well, I suppose you'll remember me, but
I don't know if you'll remember me the

I don't know if you'll remember me the

I don't know if you'll remember me the
way I remember you.

way I remember you.

way I remember you.
>> You were there for me when all that

>> You were there for me when all that

>> You were there for me when all that
stuff at home was such a mess when my

stuff at home was such a mess when my

stuff at home was such a mess when my
parents were separating. And

parents were separating. And

parents were separating. And
I've just always wondered how I would

I've just always wondered how I would

I've just always wondered how I would
have gotten through it if it hadn't been

have gotten through it if it hadn't been

have gotten through it if it hadn't been
for you.

for you.

for you.
You made me see that it wasn't my fault,

You made me see that it wasn't my fault,

You made me see that it wasn't my fault,
my first boyfriend.

my first boyfriend.

my first boyfriend.
And I remember all sorts of things about

And I remember all sorts of things about

And I remember all sorts of things about
you. I I remember where you lived. Do I

you. I I remember where you lived. Do I

you. I I remember where you lived. Do I
remember your locker number? I don't

remember your locker number? I don't

remember your locker number? I don't
remember my own locker number, but I

remember my own locker number, but I

remember my own locker number, but I
remember [music] yours. J102.

remember [music] yours. J102.

remember [music] yours. J102.
I never thought anybody listened to me

I never thought anybody listened to me

I never thought anybody listened to me
except you.

except you.

except you.
And you [music] never made fun of me.

And you [music] never made fun of me.

And you [music] never made fun of me.
Well, maybe a little bit,

Well, maybe a little bit,

Well, maybe a little bit,
but I loved it when you did.

Okay. If it's not a number on the

Okay. If it's not a number on the
multiplication table, you know you're

multiplication table, you know you're

multiplication table, you know you're
going to have a remainder. So, look for

going to have a remainder. So, look for

going to have a remainder. So, look for
the next lowest number.

the next lowest number.

the next lowest number.
>> Okay. I I think that's it. Mark.

>> Okay. I I think that's it. Mark.

>> Okay. I I think that's it. Mark.
>> Hello.

>> Hello.

>> Hello.
>> Is this Pam Stewart?

>> Is this Pam Stewart?

>> Is this Pam Stewart?
Used to be Pam Stewart.

Used to be Pam Stewart.

Used to be Pam Stewart.
>> Yes, it is. May I ask who's calling?

>> Yes, it is. May I ask who's calling?

>> Yes, it is. May I ask who's calling?
>> Pam, you probably don't remember me none

>> Pam, you probably don't remember me none

>> Pam, you probably don't remember me none
too good. This is uh friend McDougall.

I'm Russell's sister.

I'm Russell's sister.
>> Oh, yeah. I remember you. You're the

>> Oh, yeah. I remember you. You're the

>> Oh, yeah. I remember you. You're the
younger one.

younger one.

younger one.
>> Younger. My sister Angela, but

>> Younger. My sister Angela, but

>> Younger. My sister Angela, but
I'm glad I got your number right.

I'm glad I got your number right.

I'm glad I got your number right.
Russell said you sent him a letter.

Russell said you sent him a letter.

Russell said you sent him a letter.
>> Yeah, I read about it.

>> Yeah, I read about it.

>> Yeah, I read about it.
>> In the goddamn Kingsbury news. You know,

>> In the goddamn Kingsbury news. You know,

>> In the goddamn Kingsbury news. You know,
I might sue him for printing that when

I might sue him for printing that when

I might sue him for printing that when
this is all over.

this is all over.

this is all over.
Oh, but what the hell?

Oh, but what the hell?

Oh, but what the hell?
You I I think Russell would have written

You I I think Russell would have written

You I I think Russell would have written
you back if there had been a return. He

you back if there had been a return. He

you back if there had been a return. He
tears up all his mail so the pigs in

tears up all his mail so the pigs in

tears up all his mail so the pigs in
there won't read it, but he remembered

there won't read it, but he remembered

there won't read it, but he remembered
your new name and all. [snorts]

your new name and all. [snorts]

your new name and all. [snorts]
You've been married long?

You've been married long?

You've been married long?
>> Uh yeah, 16 years.

>> Uh yeah, 16 years.

>> Uh yeah, 16 years.
>> You got kids?

>> You got kids?

>> You got kids?
>> Yeah, I've got

>> Yeah, I've got

>> Yeah, I've got
>> a job.

>> a job.

>> a job.
Well, here's why I'm asking. I can't be

Well, here's why I'm asking. I can't be

Well, here's why I'm asking. I can't be
beaten around the bush. No time.

beaten around the bush. No time.

beaten around the bush. No time.
I think Russell was glad to get your

I think Russell was glad to get your

I think Russell was glad to get your
letter.

letter.

letter.
Honey, just

Honey, just

Honey, just
>> you know he's got a date set and all

>> you know he's got a date set and all

>> you know he's got a date set and all
>> a date.

>> a date.

>> a date.
>> That's what they call it when they sign

>> That's what they call it when they sign

>> That's what they call it when they sign
the death warrant.

the death warrant.

the death warrant.
>> Lawyers say we ain't got no more issues.

>> Lawyers say we ain't got no more issues.

>> Lawyers say we ain't got no more issues.
There's a clemency here and he can have

There's a clemency here and he can have

There's a clemency here and he can have
to see if the governor would pardon him,

to see if the governor would pardon him,

to see if the governor would pardon him,
but he don't even want that.

Can you come down here and talk to him

Can you come down here and talk to him
>> to South Carolina?

>> to South Carolina?

>> to South Carolina?
>> He won't listen to me no more. Angela

>> He won't listen to me no more. Angela

>> He won't listen to me no more. Angela
don't want no more arguments with him

don't want no more arguments with him

don't want no more arguments with him
and his lawyers can't do nothing if he

and his lawyers can't do nothing if he

and his lawyers can't do nothing if he
don't want a clemency here and I thought

don't want a clemency here and I thought

don't want a clemency here and I thought
maybe you could talk to him.

maybe you could talk to him.

maybe you could talk to him.
>> Oh no. I you know I've got I've got two

>> Oh no. I you know I've got I've got two

>> Oh no. I you know I've got I've got two
kids. I work three days a week at the

kids. I work three days a week at the

kids. I work three days a week at the
school. My

school. My

school. My
>> Yeah, but he get visits on the weekend.

>> Yeah, but he get visits on the weekend.

>> Yeah, but he get visits on the weekend.
There's nobody who can talk to him. And

There's nobody who can talk to him. And

There's nobody who can talk to him. And
he don't get many visits and there's

he don't get many visits and there's

he don't get many visits and there's
family and one friend of his from New

family and one friend of his from New

family and one friend of his from New
York.

York.

York.
But he's given up. He's going to let

But he's given up. He's going to let

But he's given up. He's going to let
them kill him.

Fran, I don't know what I could do.

Fran, I don't know what I could do.
Frankly,

Frankly,

Frankly,
I don't know either.

I don't know either.

I don't know either.
When he told me about you writing, I

When he told me about you writing, I

When he told me about you writing, I
seen something.

seen something.

seen something.
A little twinkle

A little twinkle

A little twinkle
like I haven't seen in years.

I wrote him.

I wrote him.
I didn't put a return address on, but

I didn't put a return address on, but

I didn't put a return address on, but
his sister called. She wants me to go

his sister called. She wants me to go

his sister called. She wants me to go
visit.

>> Visit who? Where?

>> Visit who? Where?
>> Visit Russell in South Carolina.

>> Why?

>> Why?
>> Oh, for him.

say goodbye.

say goodbye.
>> Can you just phone him?

>> Can you just phone him?

>> Can you just phone him?
>> You can't just dial up death row. Keith,

>> You can't just dial up death row. Keith,

>> You can't just dial up death row. Keith,
>> I thought they had those little red

>> I thought they had those little red

>> I thought they had those little red
phones, they

>> go next weekend. Oh,

>> go next weekend. Oh,
>> you'd have to go without me. I told Andy

>> you'd have to go without me. I told Andy

>> you'd have to go without me. I told Andy
I'd help him coach. I promised him.

I'd help him coach. I promised him.

I'd help him coach. I promised him.
>> So, you think it's okay?

>> So, you think it's okay?

>> So, you think it's okay?
>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.
>> If you think it's right

>> Thank you.

>> Thank you.
>> Mark Wilson.

>> Mark Wilson.

>> Mark Wilson.
>> Thanks.

>> Thanks.

>> Thanks.
>> Russell Kates.

>> Russell Kates.

>> Russell Kates.
>> Over there.

>> Over there.

>> Over there.
>> Stand over here, man.

>> Stand over here, man.

>> Stand over here, man.
>> Abrams.

>> Abrams.

>> Abrams.
>> Abrams.

>> name

>> name
>> Pamela O'Brien.

>> Pamela O'Brien.

>> Pamela O'Brien.
>> Oh, yeah. Here. Just put you on last

>> Oh, yeah. Here. Just put you on last

>> Oh, yeah. Here. Just put you on last
night.

night.

night.
>> Your purse.

Yeah,

Yeah,
>> just follow through over there.

>> just follow through over there.

>> just follow through over there.
>> Okay, thank you.

>> Okay, thank you.

>> Okay, thank you.
>> He said he was going to give me some.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, that's it.
>> Like I was saying in my neighborhood

Stew ball.

Stew ball.
>> Hi, Russ.

>> Hi, Russ.

>> Hi, Russ.
>> I'll stand up so I can see all of you.

>> I thought I saw you at the beach last

>> I thought I saw you at the beach last
summer.

summer.

summer.
>> Yeah, I was there.

>> Yeah, I was there.

>> Yeah, I was there.
No, seriously. I I travel all over. I'm

No, seriously. I I travel all over. I'm

No, seriously. I I travel all over. I'm
[\h__\h] one man National Geographic.

[\h__\h] one man National Geographic.

[\h__\h] one man National Geographic.
You know, if the dope's really good, I

You know, if the dope's really good, I

You know, if the dope's really good, I
can get all the way up to Alaska, climb

can get all the way up to Alaska, climb

can get all the way up to Alaska, climb
McKinley, talk to Caribou on a on a

McKinley, talk to Caribou on a on a

McKinley, talk to Caribou on a on a
tundra. You know, [clears throat]

tundra. You know, [clears throat]

tundra. You know, [clears throat]
that probably was me. Son of

>> I didn't forget to put my return address

>> I didn't forget to put my return address
on my letter, Russell. I

on my letter, Russell. I

on my letter, Russell. I
did it on purpose.

did it on purpose.

did it on purpose.
>> Yeah. tease the [\h__\h] out of me, right?

>> Yeah. tease the [\h__\h] out of me, right?

>> Yeah. tease the [\h__\h] out of me, right?
>> No.

>> I just didn't

>> I just didn't
No.

No.

No.
>> Hey, forget about it. Don't Don't worry

>> Hey, forget about it. Don't Don't worry

>> Hey, forget about it. Don't Don't worry
about it cuz you know I loved it. It

about it cuz you know I loved it. It

about it cuz you know I loved it. It
meant you didn't want nothing from me.

meant you didn't want nothing from me.

meant you didn't want nothing from me.
I mean, [clears throat]

I mean, [clears throat]

I mean, [clears throat]
I'm giving my life for my country and

I'm giving my life for my country and

I'm giving my life for my country and
that's my quota, you know.

that's my quota, you know.

that's my quota, you know.
So, I take it you come down here cuz

So, I take it you come down here cuz

So, I take it you come down here cuz
Fran did some Saab sister number on your

Fran did some Saab sister number on your

Fran did some Saab sister number on your
right.

right.

right.
I don't know why I came down here.

I don't know why I came down here.

I don't know why I came down here.
>> Who the [\h__\h] would, you know?

>> Who the [\h__\h] would, you know?

>> Who the [\h__\h] would, you know?
I mean, these [\h__\h] over here about to

I mean, these [\h__\h] over here about to

I mean, these [\h__\h] over here about to
kill me. They don't know what the [\h__\h]

kill me. They don't know what the [\h__\h]

kill me. They don't know what the [\h__\h]
they're doing. So, how the [\h__\h] is

they're doing. So, how the [\h__\h] is

they're doing. So, how the [\h__\h] is
someone in Connecticut going to know

someone in Connecticut going to know

someone in Connecticut going to know
what the [\h__\h] going on? You know what

what the [\h__\h] going on? You know what

what the [\h__\h] going on? You know what
I mean?

doesn't sound like you?

doesn't sound like you?
>> Hey, this is me.

You know, it's too late for that [\h__\h]

You know, it's too late for that [\h__\h]
cuz you know they're going to wash my

cuz you know they're going to wash my

cuz you know they're going to wash my
mouth out real good in in a couple of

mouth out real good in in a couple of

mouth out real good in in a couple of
weeks. So, what the [\h__\h] difference does

weeks. So, what the [\h__\h] difference does

weeks. So, what the [\h__\h] difference does
make what I say? You know, I mean, if

make what I say? You know, I mean, if

make what I say? You know, I mean, if
you want to be a teacher, there's plenty

you want to be a teacher, there's plenty

you want to be a teacher, there's plenty
inmates in here that

>> you remembered my nickname.

>> you remembered my nickname.
>> Stu ball is a racehorse, you know, and I

>> Stu ball is a racehorse, you know, and I

>> Stu ball is a racehorse, you know, and I
wish he were mine.

wish he were mine.

wish he were mine.
>> Oh, God. You used to drive me crazy

>> Oh, God. You used to drive me crazy

>> Oh, God. You used to drive me crazy
singing it.

singing it.

singing it.
>> Yeah. Well, let's just don't go there,

>> Yeah. Well, let's just don't go there,

>> Yeah. Well, let's just don't go there,
okay? Cuz I don't remember nothing.

okay? Cuz I don't remember nothing.

okay? Cuz I don't remember nothing.
Well, everything was just dead and

Well, everything was just dead and

Well, everything was just dead and
buried. It's buried.

>> It's never been buried for me.

>> It's never been buried for me.
>> Yeah. Well, it should have been.

>> Yeah. Well, it should have been.

>> Yeah. Well, it should have been.
>> Yeah. I'm a wreck on the highway. You

>> Yeah. I'm a wreck on the highway. You

>> Yeah. I'm a wreck on the highway. You
want to talk about the old days, you

want to talk about the old days, you

want to talk about the old days, you
talk to Fran cuz she loves that [\h__\h] and

talk to Fran cuz she loves that [\h__\h] and

talk to Fran cuz she loves that [\h__\h] and
that's what she wants. You know,

that's what she wants. You know,

that's what she wants. You know,
I mean, she and my lawyers, they want me

I mean, she and my lawyers, they want me

I mean, she and my lawyers, they want me
to get down on my bended knees to the

to get down on my bended knees to the

to get down on my bended knees to the
goddamn governor and tell them all about

goddamn governor and tell them all about

goddamn governor and tell them all about
my past, you know, beg for his [\h__\h]

my past, you know, beg for his [\h__\h]

my past, you know, beg for his [\h__\h]
mercy.

mercy.

mercy.
>> The clemency hearing.

>> The clemency hearing.

>> The clemency hearing.
>> Yeah, [snorts] hearing my ass. You know,

>> Yeah, [snorts] hearing my ass. You know,

>> Yeah, [snorts] hearing my ass. You know,
all they're going to hear is their gums

all they're going to hear is their gums

all they're going to hear is their gums
bumping again.

bumping again.

bumping again.
>> Russell, it's it's worth a try.

He sells insurance.

He sells insurance.
He's good with the kids.

He's good with the kids.

He's good with the kids.
He likes um hockey and model airplanes.

He likes um hockey and model airplanes.

He likes um hockey and model airplanes.
[clears throat]

[clears throat]

[clears throat]
>> You vote for Reagan?

>> You vote for Reagan?

>> You vote for Reagan?
>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.
>> [\h__\h]

>> [\h__\h]

>> [\h__\h]
Uh hey, don't get me started. You know,

Uh hey, don't get me started. You know,

Uh hey, don't get me started. You know,
where'd you meet [clears throat] him?

where'd you meet [clears throat] him?

where'd you meet [clears throat] him?
College.

College.

College.
He was the

He was the

He was the
first person I dated after you. I was a

first person I dated after you. I was a

first person I dated after you. I was a
sophomore. He was a senior just out of

sophomore. He was a senior just out of

sophomore. He was a senior just out of
the army. And uh we got married when he

the army. And uh we got married when he

the army. And uh we got married when he
graduated.

>> Nam.

>> Nam.
>> What?

>> What?

>> What?
>> Vietnam.

>> Vietnam.

>> Vietnam.
>> Oh yeah.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Oh yeah.
>> Did he do any combat?

>> Did he do any combat?

>> Did he do any combat?
>> I think I mean he was there. Right. He

>> I think I mean he was there. Right. He

>> I think I mean he was there. Right. He
doesn't really

doesn't really

doesn't really
>> talk about it.

>> talk about it.

>> talk about it.
>> Right.

>> You okay?

>> You okay?
>> Man, [\h__\h] I haven't done all right in

>> Man, [\h__\h] I haven't done all right in

>> Man, [\h__\h] I haven't done all right in
20 years.

20 years.

20 years.
>> Shouldn't the governor know that?

>> Shouldn't the governor know that?

>> Shouldn't the governor know that?
[snorts]

>> You just stuffed the [\h__\h] crusade.

>> You just stuffed the [\h__\h] crusade.
Okay.

Okay.

Okay.
You know, I I could smell it the minute

You know, I I could smell it the minute

You know, I I could smell it the minute
I heard you were coming down here.

>> What is it? You know, the governor

>> What is it? You know, the governor
doesn't want to hear all these sort of

doesn't want to hear all these sort of

doesn't want to hear all these sort of
details. What do you want to hear all

details. What do you want to hear all

details. What do you want to hear all
sort of details? Is that is that what it

sort of details? Is that is that what it

sort of details? Is that is that what it
is?

is?

is?
Cuz you know, if if you do, you should

Cuz you know, if if you do, you should

Cuz you know, if if you do, you should
just go home and and and grab Mr.

just go home and and and grab Mr.

just go home and and and grab Mr.
Insurance by the collar and have have

Insurance by the collar and have have

Insurance by the collar and have have
him tell you what went on over there.

him tell you what went on over there.

him tell you what went on over there.
[snorts]

[snorts]

[snorts]
Have him tell you about the worms he's

Have him tell you about the worms he's

Have him tell you about the worms he's
had in his head ever since. Listen,

had in his head ever since. Listen,

had in his head ever since. Listen,
they're going to kill me and there's

they're going to kill me and there's

they're going to kill me and there's
nothing you can do about it.

nothing you can do about it.

nothing you can do about it.
I have nobody, Mr. Insurance, but maybe

I have nobody, Mr. Insurance, but maybe

I have nobody, Mr. Insurance, but maybe
you can help him.

>> Hey,

>> Hey,
having fun yet?

Hello.

Hello.
>> Hey.

>> Hey.

>> Hey.
>> Hi.

>> Hi.

>> Hi.
>> Getting to bed yet?

>> Getting to bed yet?

>> Getting to bed yet?
>> Yeah, just now.

>> Yeah, just now.

>> Yeah, just now.
>> I just wanted to be able to talk to you.

>> I just wanted to be able to talk to you.

>> I just wanted to be able to talk to you.
>> Everything all right?

>> Everything all right?

>> Everything all right?
>> Yeah, I'm exhausted.

>> Yeah, I'm exhausted.

>> Yeah, I'm exhausted.
>> You in a swamp or something? What's it

>> You in a swamp or something? What's it

>> You in a swamp or something? What's it
like down there?

like down there?

like down there?
I don't know, Keith. I just went

I don't know, Keith. I just went

I don't know, Keith. I just went
straight from the airport to the prison,

straight from the airport to the prison,

straight from the airport to the prison,
then I came here.

then I came here.

then I came here.
>> What's he like?

>> We didn't get much time. They just cut

>> We didn't get much time. They just cut
you off. They're they're visiting hours

you off. They're they're visiting hours

you off. They're they're visiting hours
tomorrow. I could I could see him for an

tomorrow. I could I could see him for an

tomorrow. I could I could see him for an
hour in the morning if I can get a later

hour in the morning if I can get a later

hour in the morning if I can get a later
flight.

Well, that's your call, you know.

Well, that's your call, you know.
>> Well, it's, you know, it's just a couple

>> Well, it's, you know, it's just a couple

>> Well, it's, you know, it's just a couple
hours later.

hours later.

hours later.
>> Yeah, I know. I know.

>> Yeah, I know. I know.

>> Yeah, I know. I know.
>> What's the matter, then?

>> What's the matter, then?

>> What's the matter, then?
>> Nothing. I I just I didn't think you'd

>> Nothing. I I just I didn't think you'd

>> Nothing. I I just I didn't think you'd
have that much to talk about, I guess.

have that much to talk about, I guess.

have that much to talk about, I guess.
Listen, I got to go. Okay. I'll I'll

Listen, I got to go. Okay. I'll I'll

Listen, I got to go. Okay. I'll I'll
talk to you tomorrow. All right. Good

talk to you tomorrow. All right. Good

talk to you tomorrow. All right. Good
night.

night.

night.
Bye.

>> Hurry up. Movie starts in 5 minutes.

>> Hurry up. Movie starts in 5 minutes.
>> Mm- Not unless you sing to me.

>> Mm- Not unless you sing to me.

>> Mm- Not unless you sing to me.
>> Come on. I want to see the previews.

>> Come on. I want to see the previews.

>> Come on. I want to see the previews.
>> Sing.

>> Sing.

>> Sing.
>> I'm not singing.

>> I'm not singing.

>> I'm not singing.
>> Come on.

>> Come on.

>> Come on.
>> All right. Oh, Stewball was a racehorse

>> All right. Oh, Stewball was a racehorse

>> All right. Oh, Stewball was a racehorse
and I wish she were mine. She never

and I wish she were mine. She never

and I wish she were mine. She never
drank water. She always drank wine. Come

drank water. She always drank wine. Come

drank water. She always drank wine. Come
on, let's run.

moving into the yard.

moving into the yard.
>> Your lawyer died?

>> Your lawyer died?

>> Your lawyer died?
>> Yeah, he was zapped by [\h__\h] lightning

>> Yeah, he was zapped by [\h__\h] lightning

>> Yeah, he was zapped by [\h__\h] lightning
out on a lake on the fourth.

out on a lake on the fourth.

out on a lake on the fourth.
>> Seriously?

>> Seriously?

>> Seriously?
>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.
>> What am I supposed to do? making all the

>> What am I supposed to do? making all the

>> What am I supposed to do? making all the
babes in bikinis laugh and then pow,

babes in bikinis laugh and then pow,

babes in bikinis laugh and then pow,
he's gone. And

he's gone. And

he's gone. And
you know what bothers me the most is the

you know what bothers me the most is the

you know what bothers me the most is the
habit on the 4th of July and I lose my

habit on the 4th of July and I lose my

habit on the 4th of July and I lose my
goddamn lawyer on Patriots day.

goddamn lawyer on Patriots day.

goddamn lawyer on Patriots day.
Everybody's wagging the flag and my

Everybody's wagging the flag and my

Everybody's wagging the flag and my
life's going down the tubes.

life's going down the tubes.

life's going down the tubes.
>> You got another lawyer, didn't you?

>> You got another lawyer, didn't you?

>> You got another lawyer, didn't you?
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. State jumped on it real

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. State jumped on it real

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. State jumped on it real
quick, you know. See, cuz Thomas, he was

quick, you know. See, cuz Thomas, he was

quick, you know. See, cuz Thomas, he was
he was a great lawyer. He just guy made

he was a great lawyer. He just guy made

he was a great lawyer. He just guy made
the state just sweat everything out, you

the state just sweat everything out, you

the state just sweat everything out, you
know. He was like [\h__\h] bubblegum in

know. He was like [\h__\h] bubblegum in

know. He was like [\h__\h] bubblegum in
their hair, you know. You know, you got

their hair, you know. You know, you got

their hair, you know. You know, you got
the veterans groups behind me, all that.

the veterans groups behind me, all that.

the veterans groups behind me, all that.
>> But as soon as he died, the state went

>> But as soon as he died, the state went

>> But as soon as he died, the state went
right to work on that. You know, by the

right to work on that. You know, by the

right to work on that. You know, by the
time I got out of lawyers, it was too

time I got out of lawyers, it was too

time I got out of lawyers, it was too
late.

late.

late.
>> Russell, it's never too late. [sighs]

>> Don't be so [\h__\h] naive, please.

>> Don't be so [\h__\h] naive, please.
>> All right, I won't be if you won't be

>> All right, I won't be if you won't be

>> All right, I won't be if you won't be
stupid.

>> What do you mean? I mean, not trying for

>> What do you mean? I mean, not trying for
clemency, Russell. It doesn't make

clemency, Russell. It doesn't make

clemency, Russell. It doesn't make
sense. [snorts]

sense. [snorts]

sense. [snorts]
>> Sense,

ma'am. I I I stopped looking for things

ma'am. I I I stopped looking for things
that make sense a long time ago.

that make sense a long time ago.

that make sense a long time ago.
Hey, it's 1989, you know, and and

Hey, it's 1989, you know, and and

Hey, it's 1989, you know, and and
they're taking people still into back

they're taking people still into back

they're taking people still into back
rooms and they're frying them till their

rooms and they're frying them till their

rooms and they're frying them till their
eyeballs pop out, you know. Does that

eyeballs pop out, you know. Does that

eyeballs pop out, you know. Does that
make any sense to you? I mean, we got

make any sense to you? I mean, we got

make any sense to you? I mean, we got
half a million vets coming home from a

half a million vets coming home from a

half a million vets coming home from a
war and if they don't come they don't

war and if they don't come they don't

war and if they don't come they don't
come home in a box, you know, they get

come home in a box, you know, they get

come home in a box, you know, they get
their asses spit on and we get 20

their asses spit on and we get 20

their asses spit on and we get 20
[\h__\h] hostages come home from Iran and

[\h__\h] hostages come home from Iran and

[\h__\h] hostages come home from Iran and
they get a ticker tape parade. Now, you

they get a ticker tape parade. Now, you

they get a ticker tape parade. Now, you
want to talk about sins,

want to talk about sins,

want to talk about sins,
>> huh? Also, listen to yourself.

>> huh? Also, listen to yourself.

>> huh? Also, listen to yourself.
>> You don't want to beg for mercy, but

>> You don't want to beg for mercy, but

>> You don't want to beg for mercy, but
you've got stuff to say. Have your

you've got stuff to say. Have your

you've got stuff to say. Have your
lawyers go to that clemency hearing.

lawyers go to that clemency hearing.

lawyers go to that clemency hearing.
Give the governor an earful.

Give the governor an earful.

Give the governor an earful.
>> Well,

>> Well,

>> Well,
>> that's not begging.

>> that's not begging.

>> that's not begging.
>> Governor not even there. It's just it's

>> Governor not even there. It's just it's

>> Governor not even there. It's just it's
just a stoolie. Well, then give the

just a stoolie. Well, then give the

just a stoolie. Well, then give the
stoolies an earful.

>> I tell you what,

>> I tell you what,
you come back down here and, you know,

you come back down here and, you know,

you come back down here and, you know,
see what a bunch of nonsense this

see what a bunch of nonsense this

see what a bunch of nonsense this
hearing is and

hearing is and

hearing is and
I'll tell lawyers to go through with it.

I'll tell lawyers to go through with it.

I'll tell lawyers to go through with it.
Okay. Yeah. How about that?

>> I can't come back down here.

>> I can't come back down here.
>> Of course not. Yeah.

>> Of course not. Yeah.

>> Of course not. Yeah.
So, [\h__\h] it. I'll write him a letter.

So, [\h__\h] it. I'll write him a letter.

So, [\h__\h] it. I'll write him a letter.
[clears throat]

[clears throat]

[clears throat]
I

I

I
>> think you said something like that

>> think you said something like that

>> think you said something like that
when we were together last.

when we were together last.

when we were together last.
>> When? Yesterday?

>> When? Yesterday?

>> When? Yesterday?
>> No. 20 years ago. We had ice cream and

>> No. 20 years ago. We had ice cream and

>> No. 20 years ago. We had ice cream and
you told me you were going away.

you told me you were going away.

you told me you were going away.
It was summer.

It was summer.

It was summer.
You had a new haircut. You didn't want

You had a new haircut. You didn't want

You had a new haircut. You didn't want
anybody to think you were a hippie.

You told me you you'd write and tell me

You told me you you'd write and tell me
what it was like over there.

what it was like over there.

what it was like over there.
>> No, I you know that wasn't the last time

>> No, I you know that wasn't the last time

>> No, I you know that wasn't the last time
I saw each other.

I saw each other.

I saw each other.
>> Well, you you wrote once, but you didn't

>> Well, you you wrote once, but you didn't

>> Well, you you wrote once, but you didn't
say very much.

say very much.

say very much.
>> No, no, I I came to your house,

>> No, no, I I came to your house,

>> No, no, I I came to your house,
remember?

remember?

remember?
No, I've been back about a month.

No, I've been back about a month.

No, I've been back about a month.
Remember I knew red vet? I had a new

Remember I knew red vet? I had a new

Remember I knew red vet? I had a new
vet. I took you for a ride.

>> Yeah. See, after that, I uh I didn't

>> Yeah. See, after that, I uh I didn't
ride or nothing. I

ride or nothing. I

ride or nothing. I
you know, the next night I wrapped that

you know, the next night I wrapped that

you know, the next night I wrapped that
vet around some goddamn useless tree,

vet around some goddamn useless tree,

vet around some goddamn useless tree,
drunk as [\h__\h] You know, walked away

drunk as [\h__\h] You know, walked away

drunk as [\h__\h] You know, walked away
without a scratch.

without a scratch.

without a scratch.
You remember that ride, right?

You remember that ride, right?

You remember that ride, right?
>> Yeah,

>> Yeah,

>> Yeah,
>> I remember.

>> Russell

>> Russell
Awesome.

Hey, you made it.

Hey, you made it.
>> Hey. Yeah. Worry a little bit.

>> Hey. Yeah. Worry a little bit.

>> Hey. Yeah. Worry a little bit.
>> We got delayed. Sat on the runway for an

>> We got delayed. Sat on the runway for an

>> We got delayed. Sat on the runway for an
hour.

hour.

hour.
Couldn't call.

Couldn't call.

Couldn't call.
>> That's all right.

>> That's all right.

>> That's all right.
>> Sorry. I guess I missed the kids.

>> Sorry. I guess I missed the kids.

>> Sorry. I guess I missed the kids.
>> Yeah. Well, Mark wouldn't go to sleep,

>> Yeah. Well, Mark wouldn't go to sleep,

>> Yeah. Well, Mark wouldn't go to sleep,
so I had to esphyxiate him. I'm sorry.

You all right?

You all right?
>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.
tired.

tired.

tired.
>> I guess it didn't work out the way you

>> I guess it didn't work out the way you

>> I guess it didn't work out the way you
wanted, huh?

wanted, huh?

wanted, huh?
>> No,

>> No,

>> No,
but Well, yeah, I did get him to change

but Well, yeah, I did get him to change

but Well, yeah, I did get him to change
his mind.

his mind.

his mind.
>> What? No pie with his last meal?

>> What? No pie with his last meal?

>> What? No pie with his last meal?
>> I got him to let his lawyers plea for

>> I got him to let his lawyers plea for

>> I got him to let his lawyers plea for
clemency.

clemency.

clemency.
>> Oh, I bet you really had to push for

>> Oh, I bet you really had to push for

>> Oh, I bet you really had to push for
that one, huh?

that one, huh?

that one, huh?
>> Well, I did, Keith.

>> Well, I did, Keith.

>> Well, I did, Keith.
He's sick and all screwed up. He's

He's sick and all screwed up. He's

He's sick and all screwed up. He's
wouldn't listen to anybody.

wouldn't listen to anybody.

wouldn't listen to anybody.
How come he listens to you?

>> Because I promised to go back down there

>> Because I promised to go back down there
for the hearing.

>> What are you going to hold his hand?

>> What are you going to hold his hand?
>> No, Keith. He can't even be there. just

>> No, Keith. He can't even be there. just

>> No, Keith. He can't even be there. just
his

his

his
friends, his lawyers, and his family.

friends, his lawyers, and his family.

friends, his lawyers, and his family.
>> His high school sweetheart,

>> His high school sweetheart,

>> His high school sweetheart,
>> that's the only shot he's got. Keith,

>> that's the only shot he's got. Keith,

>> that's the only shot he's got. Keith,
>> it's the only way he do it.

>> You know someone in prison?

>> You know someone in prison?
>> Yes. I've known him since I was just a

>> Yes. I've known him since I was just a

>> Yes. I've known him since I was just a
little bit older than you.

little bit older than you.

little bit older than you.
>> What'd he do?

>> What'd he do?

>> What'd he do?
>> Oh, I don't know, Mark. I don't think

>> Oh, I don't know, Mark. I don't think

>> Oh, I don't know, Mark. I don't think
>> they kill the policeman

>> they kill the policeman

>> they kill the policeman
and they're going to execute him.

and they're going to execute him.

and they're going to execute him.
>> What's that? Well, they're going to kill

>> What's that? Well, they're going to kill

>> What's that? Well, they're going to kill
him.

him.

him.
>> Are you going to go see him?

>> Are you going to go see him?

>> Are you going to go see him?
>> Yes, I'm going to go see him.

>> Yes, I'm going to go see him.

>> Yes, I'm going to go see him.
>> He's a bad dude, right?

>> He's a bad dude, right?

>> He's a bad dude, right?
>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.
>> Come on, Keith.

>> Come on, Keith.

>> Come on, Keith.
This is not just black or white.

This is not just black or white.

This is not just black or white.
>> Well, it was written in black and white.

>> Well, it was written in black and white.

>> Well, it was written in black and white.
He killed the policeman. He killed the

He killed the policeman. He killed the

He killed the policeman. He killed the
other guy.

other guy.

other guy.
>> It was manslaughter.

>> It was manslaughter.

>> It was manslaughter.
>> Two killings. Pam,

>> Two killings. Pam,

>> Two killings. Pam,
>> we're talking about a person, Keith, not

>> we're talking about a person, Keith, not

>> we're talking about a person, Keith, not
an animal.

an animal.

an animal.
>> Are you going to tell anyone? There's

>> Are you going to tell anyone? There's

>> Are you going to tell anyone? There's
nothing to be ashamed of, Becca.

nothing to be ashamed of, Becca.

nothing to be ashamed of, Becca.
>> You guys get your dishes, put them in

>> You guys get your dishes, put them in

>> You guys get your dishes, put them in
the sink, get your stuff. We got to get

the sink, get your stuff. We got to get

the sink, get your stuff. We got to get
out of here.

out of here.

out of here.
[snorts]

>> Keith, I didn't want them to think that.

>> Keith, I didn't want them to think that.
>> Hey, we said we were going to give them

>> Hey, we said we were going to give them

>> Hey, we said we were going to give them
the facts. That's what we did.

This is not a simple issue.

This is not a simple issue.
>> Yeah, it is. You're going back down

>> Yeah, it is. You're going back down

>> Yeah, it is. You're going back down
there. It's pure and simple.

>> Were you in combat

>> Were you in combat
>> in Vietnam?

>> Does he want to know? He asked.

>> Does he want to know? He asked.
>> I was embarrassed. I didn't know.

>> I was embarrassed. I didn't know.

>> I was embarrassed. I didn't know.
>> Well,

>> Well,

>> Well,
just keep me out of your conversations

just keep me out of your conversations

just keep me out of your conversations
with him. Okay.

with him. Okay.

with him. Okay.
>> Why don't you ever talk about it?

>> Come on, let's go. Train's going out in

>> Come on, let's go. Train's going out in
1 minute.

1 minute.

1 minute.
>> One minute.

>> One minute.

>> One minute.
>> I don't understand, Russell.

>> I don't understand, Russell.

>> I don't understand, Russell.
How do you expect the lawyers to get you

How do you expect the lawyers to get you

How do you expect the lawyers to get you
a clemency here if you won't let them

a clemency here if you won't let them

a clemency here if you won't let them
say nothing about you?

say nothing about you?

say nothing about you?
>> Well, I don't expect to get clemency.

>> Well, I don't expect to get clemency.

>> Well, I don't expect to get clemency.
>> You don't expect nothing. He ain't never

>> You don't expect nothing. He ain't never

>> You don't expect nothing. He ain't never
going to get it.

going to get it.

going to get it.
>> When are you guys going to stop shaking

>> When are you guys going to stop shaking

>> When are you guys going to stop shaking
up [\h__\h] kettle, huh? You know, you're

up [\h__\h] kettle, huh? You know, you're

up [\h__\h] kettle, huh? You know, you're
lucky I'm going through this dog and

lucky I'm going through this dog and

lucky I'm going through this dog and
pony show in the first place.

pony show in the first place.

pony show in the first place.
>> You make it sound like this is for us or

>> You make it sound like this is for us or

>> You make it sound like this is for us or
something.

something.

something.
>> Well,

>> Well,

>> Well,
>> you're the ones lucky. Lucky Pam made

>> you're the ones lucky. Lucky Pam made

>> you're the ones lucky. Lucky Pam made
the trip and got through that thick

the trip and got through that thick

the trip and got through that thick
skull of yours.

skull of yours.

skull of yours.
>> Let's go. [snorts] Did you hear from

>> Let's go. [snorts] Did you hear from

>> Let's go. [snorts] Did you hear from
her?

her?

her?
No,

No,

No,
>> only the phone call I told you about

>> only the phone call I told you about

>> only the phone call I told you about
last week.

last week.

last week.
>> She's coming. Don't worry.

>> She's coming. Don't worry.

>> She's coming. Don't worry.
>> Well, I got a letter yesterday, but

>> Well, I got a letter yesterday, but

>> Well, I got a letter yesterday, but
>> time's up.

>> time's up.

>> time's up.
>> She didn't say when she was coming. And

>> She didn't say when she was coming. And

>> She didn't say when she was coming. And
uh could you call her and tell her to

uh could you call her and tell her to

uh could you call her and tell her to
Well, ask her to come visit after here.

Well, ask her to come visit after here.

Well, ask her to come visit after here.
>> Yeah, we'll see you in a couple of days.

>> Yeah, we'll see you in a couple of days.

>> Yeah, we'll see you in a couple of days.
Okay.

Okay.

Okay.
>> You have to do that.

>> You have to do that.

>> You have to do that.
>> Yes, he has to do that.

What do you think, Dad?

What do you think, Dad?
>> I think she's a winner. Watch how she

>> I think she's a winner. Watch how she

>> I think she's a winner. Watch how she
holds [music] the bank. Watch this.

>> what's happening to me?

>> what's happening to me?
>> How you doing, T?

>> How you doing, T?

>> How you doing, T?
>> Not much, man. Just going on my daily

>> Not much, man. Just going on my daily

>> Not much, man. Just going on my daily
stroll. Everything's cool.

stroll. Everything's cool.

stroll. Everything's cool.
>> Yeah.

Just want to say good luck to you, man.

Just want to say good luck to you, man.
>> [snorts]

>> [snorts]

>> [snorts]
>> Thanks.

>> Thanks.

>> Thanks.
>> You know, I got you 7 to1 with Hamilton,

>> You know, I got you 7 to1 with Hamilton,

>> You know, I got you 7 to1 with Hamilton,
but you know, he say you're dead meat. I

but you know, he say you're dead meat. I

but you know, he say you're dead meat. I
say they going to see the light and

say they going to see the light and

say they going to see the light and
they're going to spring your ass.

they're going to spring your ass.

they're going to spring your ass.
>> Well, I'm with Hamilton. You know, if

>> Well, I'm with Hamilton. You know, if

>> Well, I'm with Hamilton. You know, if
they haven't seen the light in 10 years,

they haven't seen the light in 10 years,

they haven't seen the light in 10 years,
sure as hell going to see now.

sure as hell going to see now.

sure as hell going to see now.
>> Hey, but you never know. At least you

>> Hey, but you never know. At least you

>> Hey, but you never know. At least you
got something solid to tell them. When

got something solid to tell them. When

got something solid to tell them. When
my time come up to go to the board, all

my time come up to go to the board, all

my time come up to go to the board, all
I can tell them is the truth. I was a

I can tell them is the truth. I was a

I can tell them is the truth. I was a
stone junkie. I killed two people and I

stone junkie. I killed two people and I

stone junkie. I killed two people and I
don't remember a [\h__\h] thing about it.

don't remember a [\h__\h] thing about it.

don't remember a [\h__\h] thing about it.
Wayne, you try that on his eyes.

Wayne, you try that on his eyes.

Wayne, you try that on his eyes.
>> Yeah, I hear you.

>> Yeah, I hear you.

>> Yeah, I hear you.
>> Just got to hang in there, man. Can I

>> Just got to hang in there, man. Can I

>> Just got to hang in there, man. Can I
get a segment?

get a segment?

get a segment?
>> Yeah, sure.

Russell's out of his head. He come up

Russell's out of his head. He come up
with this idea, but he don't know.

with this idea, but he don't know.

with this idea, but he don't know.
>> Russell knows a hell of a lot more than

>> Russell knows a hell of a lot more than

>> Russell knows a hell of a lot more than
you think. Let's see inside.

you think. Let's see inside.

you think. Let's see inside.
>> Russell doesn't have a chance.

>> Oh,

>> Oh,
you're Pam. I can't.

[panting]

[panting]
This here's the family. No time for

This here's the family. No time for

This here's the family. No time for
proper introductions. This is my sister

proper introductions. This is my sister

proper introductions. This is my sister
Angela. Hi. I remember you. [laughter]

This here's Dan Labau. Russell's friend

This here's Dan Labau. Russell's friend
from New York.

from New York.

from New York.
>> Hi. This is Pam Stewart. She's the one

>> Hi. This is Pam Stewart. She's the one

>> Hi. This is Pam Stewart. She's the one
got Russell to go through this hearing.

got Russell to go through this hearing.

got Russell to go through this hearing.
>> We better go in. Stop your crying, Fran.

I'm the one who told him to do this.

I'm the one who told him to do this.
>> Do what?

>> Do what?

>> Do what?
>> Have his lawyer talk about this stuff.

>> Have his lawyer talk about this stuff.

>> Have his lawyer talk about this stuff.
>> Good for you. Maybe it'll work. What

>> Good for you. Maybe it'll work. What

>> Good for you. Maybe it'll work. What
Fran wants to do sure won't.

Fran wants to do sure won't.

Fran wants to do sure won't.
>> Why? What does Fran want to do?

>> Why? What does Fran want to do?

>> Why? What does Fran want to do?
>> Say what a good person he is underneath.

>> Say what a good person he is underneath.

>> Say what a good person he is underneath.
They've heard that about a thousand

They've heard that about a thousand

They've heard that about a thousand
times.

times.

times.
>> Well, it's the truth.

>> Well, it's the truth.

>> Well, it's the truth.
>> Where's the [\h__\h] support? Eight years

>> Where's the [\h__\h] support? Eight years

>> Where's the [\h__\h] support? Eight years
ago, when we were just learning about

ago, when we were just learning about

ago, when we were just learning about
post-traumatic stress, they all came out

post-traumatic stress, they all came out

post-traumatic stress, they all came out
to help. every major vets group, even

to help. every major vets group, even

to help. every major vets group, even
the VFW.

the VFW.

the VFW.
Now they're all middle-aged cops, and

Now they're all middle-aged cops, and

Now they're all middle-aged cops, and
Russell's just a cop killer, and we

Russell's just a cop killer, and we

Russell's just a cop killer, and we
cannot get one letter of support. [\h__\h]

we pack that hearing room with vets and

we pack that hearing room with vets and
it'd be another story.

I got a

I got a
very low boiling point

very low boiling point

very low boiling point
just like Russell.

just like Russell.

just like Russell.
I think maybe I better wait outside.

I think maybe I better wait outside.

I think maybe I better wait outside.
>> Okay.

>> Okay.

>> Okay.
>> Now, ladies and gentlemen, these are the

>> Now, ladies and gentlemen, these are the

>> Now, ladies and gentlemen, these are the
exact words of Russell Kates. Millions

exact words of Russell Kates. Millions

exact words of Russell Kates. Millions
of these soldiers came home damaged like

of these soldiers came home damaged like

of these soldiers came home damaged like
me. They couldn't talk about the war

me. They couldn't talk about the war

me. They couldn't talk about the war
because nobody wanted to listen. But the

because nobody wanted to listen. But the

because nobody wanted to listen. But the
vets who fought for their country

vets who fought for their country

vets who fought for their country
couldn't just put the war behind them.

couldn't just put the war behind them.

couldn't just put the war behind them.
[clears throat]

[clears throat]

[clears throat]
They came back reliving that war every

They came back reliving that war every

They came back reliving that war every
day.

day.

day.
>> When he came home, nobody knew about

>> When he came home, nobody knew about

>> When he came home, nobody knew about
post-traumatic stress.

I'm a nurse and my mother was a nurse

I'm a nurse and my mother was a nurse
and we didn't know anything,

and we didn't know anything,

and we didn't know anything,
but we knew something was wrong.

I don't know if I can keep going,

I don't know if I can keep going,
but you just got to know this.

but you just got to know this.

but you just got to know this.
The Russell come home from the war.

The Russell come home from the war.

The Russell come home from the war.
Was not the same Russell who went away.

Was not the same Russell who went away.

Was not the same Russell who went away.
My baby Anthony Jr. was just two at the

My baby Anthony Jr. was just two at the

My baby Anthony Jr. was just two at the
time.

time.

time.
He doesn't remember when his daddy would

He doesn't remember when his daddy would

He doesn't remember when his daddy would
come home from work so proud of his new

come home from work so proud of his new

come home from work so proud of his new
job and so happy to see his family.

job and so happy to see his family.

job and so happy to see his family.
But I do.

But I do.

But I do.
Anthony Jr. is 12 now,

Anthony Jr. is 12 now,

Anthony Jr. is 12 now,
old enough to know what's happened to

old enough to know what's happened to

old enough to know what's happened to
his father.

his father.

his father.
And for years now, he's been asking me

And for years now, he's been asking me

And for years now, he's been asking me
why they don't carry out the sentence on

why they don't carry out the sentence on

why they don't carry out the sentence on
the man who killed his daddy.

I didn't want to come here today,

I didn't want to come here today,
but I realized that I had to for Anthony

but I realized that I had to for Anthony

but I realized that I had to for Anthony
Jr. and his father.

Jr. and his father.

Jr. and his father.
I don't want to have to say to Anthony

I don't want to have to say to Anthony

I don't want to have to say to Anthony
Jr. again, Russell Kates got another

Jr. again, Russell Kates got another

Jr. again, Russell Kates got another
stay. I want to be able to say to him,

stay. I want to be able to say to him,

stay. I want to be able to say to him,
Russell Kates paid for his sins.

Russell Kates paid for his sins.

Russell Kates paid for his sins.
>> Hey, did did they say what the vote was?

>> Hey, did did they say what the vote was?

>> Hey, did did they say what the vote was?
Huh? No.

Huh? No.

Huh? No.
>> Huh?

>> Huh?

>> Huh?
>> No.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.
>> What do you mean by that?

>> What do you mean by that?

>> What do you mean by that?
>> Hey, what do you think?

>> Hey, come on in. Sit down. You know the

>> Hey, come on in. Sit down. You know the
drill.

>> Dan, tell you the good news.

>> Dan, tell you the good news.
>> He told me the board turned you down.

>> He told me the board turned you down.

>> He told me the board turned you down.
What's good about that?

What's good about that?

What's good about that?
>> Well, I'm the only one that's going to

>> Well, I'm the only one that's going to

>> Well, I'm the only one that's going to
die.

die.

die.
Can't tell you what a relief that is.

Can't tell you what a relief that is.

Can't tell you what a relief that is.
>> I'm sorry, Russell.

>> I'm sorry, Russell.

>> I'm sorry, Russell.
I shouldn't have told you to make a

I shouldn't have told you to make a

I shouldn't have told you to make a
statement like that. I'm really sorry.

statement like that. I'm really sorry.

statement like that. I'm really sorry.
>> Hey, now you cheer up. I got to spill my

>> Hey, now you cheer up. I got to spill my

>> Hey, now you cheer up. I got to spill my
guts. Okay. At least my lawyers did. You

guts. Okay. At least my lawyers did. You

guts. Okay. At least my lawyers did. You
know, I've been waiting for that one for

know, I've been waiting for that one for

know, I've been waiting for that one for
a decade and a half.

>> That ride in your car,

>> That ride in your car,
why didn't you just say something?

What could I say? I mean,

What could I say? I mean,
>> and what could I have told anybody back

>> and what could I have told anybody back

>> and what could I have told anybody back
then? Would anybody want to hear that

then? Would anybody want to hear that

then? Would anybody want to hear that
[\h__\h]

[\h__\h]

[\h__\h]
>> I wasn't just anybody.

>> I wasn't just anybody.

>> I wasn't just anybody.
>> You were a little girl. You were really

>> You were a little girl. You were really

>> You were a little girl. You were really
far away from where I'd been. I mean,

far away from where I'd been. I mean,

far away from where I'd been. I mean,
you know, went to that Bible thump

you know, went to that Bible thump

you know, went to that Bible thump
school and, you [clears throat] know,

school and, you [clears throat] know,

school and, you [clears throat] know,
thinking Jesus could wash all your sins

thinking Jesus could wash all your sins

thinking Jesus could wash all your sins
away. I mean, [\h__\h]

away. I mean, [\h__\h]

away. I mean, [\h__\h]
>> Well, I'm not a little girl now.

>> Really? Really? Yeah, you're all grown

>> Really? Really? Yeah, you're all grown
up, huh?

up, huh?

up, huh?
>> Well, I'm older.

>> Well, I'm older.

>> Well, I'm older.
>> Well, age don't mean [\h__\h] cuz hell, I

>> Well, age don't mean [\h__\h] cuz hell, I

>> Well, age don't mean [\h__\h] cuz hell, I
was [\h__\h] 19. Exactly. And when I

was [\h__\h] 19. Exactly. And when I

was [\h__\h] 19. Exactly. And when I
landed in country, it was on my

landed in country, it was on my

landed in country, it was on my
birthday.

birthday.

birthday.
>> April 12th.

>> April 12th.

>> April 12th.
>> Yeah.

You know what I did on my birthday? The

You know what I did on my birthday? The
first thing I did on my birthday was uh

first thing I did on my birthday was uh

first thing I did on my birthday was uh
I hauled body parts out of a Huey

I hauled body parts out of a Huey

I hauled body parts out of a Huey
chopper, you know, just back from a hot

chopper, you know, just back from a hot

chopper, you know, just back from a hot
[\h__\h] firefight.

[\h__\h] firefight.

[\h__\h] firefight.
Happy birthday to me. [laughter]

Happy birthday to me. [laughter]

Happy birthday to me. [laughter]
[snorts]

[snorts]

[snorts]
And then I puked my guts all over the,

And then I puked my guts all over the,

And then I puked my guts all over the,
you know, but I I did get a present.

you know, but I I did get a present.

you know, but I I did get a present.
Somebody [snorts] gave me my very first

Somebody [snorts] gave me my very first

Somebody [snorts] gave me my very first
joint and said it would help. You know,

joint and said it would help. You know,

joint and said it would help. You know,
[\h__\h] any.

[\h__\h] any.

[\h__\h] any.
I stayed storing my whole tour over

I stayed storing my whole tour over

I stayed storing my whole tour over
there.

there.

there.
You could have told me, Russell.

You could have told me, Russell.

You could have told me, Russell.
>> Oh, yeah.

Thank

Thank
sound like a sort of a hippie party,

sound like a sort of a hippie party,

sound like a sort of a hippie party,
right? Stoned for a whole year. Well, it

right? Stoned for a whole year. Well, it

right? Stoned for a whole year. Well, it
was one huge [\h__\h] party. All right.

was one huge [\h__\h] party. All right.

was one huge [\h__\h] party. All right.
It was like a surprise party. Every day

It was like a surprise party. Every day

It was like a surprise party. Every day
you're walking along and you hear some

you're walking along and you hear some

you're walking along and you hear some
incoming and before you can even think

incoming and before you can even think

incoming and before you can even think
[\h__\h] Tricky Dick Nixon. guy behind

[\h__\h] Tricky Dick Nixon. guy behind

[\h__\h] Tricky Dick Nixon. guy behind
you, guy in front of you. They're

you, guy in front of you. They're

you, guy in front of you. They're
crawling around on the ground looking

crawling around on the ground looking

crawling around on the ground looking
for the other half of their body

for the other half of their body

for the other half of their body
>> and you're holding their guts in your

>> and you're holding their guts in your

>> and you're holding their guts in your
hands, screaming for a medic and

hands, screaming for a medic and

hands, screaming for a medic and
wondering how in the [\h__\h] world that

wondering how in the [\h__\h] world that

wondering how in the [\h__\h] world that
you're still alive. You know,

you're still alive. You know,

you're still alive. You know,
>> no, you're all grown up, right?

>> no, you're all grown up, right?

>> no, you're all grown up, right?
>> You know what I'm talking about.

>> You know what I'm talking about.

>> You know what I'm talking about.
Now, you you had two kids, right? You've

Now, you you had two kids, right? You've

Now, you you had two kids, right? You've
been pregnant. Well, we come across a

been pregnant. Well, we come across a

been pregnant. Well, we come across a
pregnant woman once up in in the

pregnant woman once up in in the

pregnant woman once up in in the
Highlands, and the sergeant was sure she

Highlands, and the sergeant was sure she

Highlands, and the sergeant was sure she
was VC, so he performed a [\h__\h] abortion

was VC, so he performed a [\h__\h] abortion

was VC, so he performed a [\h__\h] abortion
with his machete

with his machete

with his machete
>> while she was alive. [snorts]

>> Now, do you think I should have told you

>> Now, do you think I should have told you
about that while we were tooling around

about that while we were tooling around

about that while we were tooling around
in my little red Corvette? Huh?

in my little red Corvette? Huh?

in my little red Corvette? Huh?
>> I would have.

>> I would have.

>> I would have.
>> What?

>> What?

>> What?
>> I might have.

>> I might have.

>> I might have.
>> Might have. What? You You might have

>> Might have. What? You You might have

>> Might have. What? You You might have
turned me in, right? That's what you

turned me in, right? That's what you

turned me in, right? That's what you
might have done. Well, that's what I

might have done. Well, that's what I

might have done. Well, that's what I
thought. Or or you would have spit on me

thought. Or or you would have spit on me

thought. Or or you would have spit on me
like some guy did my first night back in

like some guy did my first night back in

like some guy did my first night back in
his days in Seattle. Or at least turn me

his days in Seattle. Or at least turn me

his days in Seattle. Or at least turn me
into a nutouse if you knew what was

into a nutouse if you knew what was

into a nutouse if you knew what was
going on in my head.

going on in my head.

going on in my head.
>> You needed somebody to help you,

>> You needed somebody to help you,

>> You needed somebody to help you,
Russell.

Russell.

Russell.
>> Bullshitty.

>> Bullshitty.

>> Bullshitty.
We all needed help.

>> I needed help. Um

>> I needed help. Um
>> I needed somebody to take these faces of

>> I needed somebody to take these faces of

>> I needed somebody to take these faces of
all these little kids and

all these little kids and

all these little kids and
in this hut and erase them forever.

in this hut and erase them forever.

in this hut and erase them forever.
I used to be able to do that. Uh-huh. Or

I used to be able to do that. Uh-huh. Or

I used to be able to do that. Uh-huh. Or
I could change them.

I could change them.

I could change them.
I'd change them into grown-ups because

I'd change them into grown-ups because

I'd change them into grown-ups because
that's what they were supposed to be,

that's what they were supposed to be,

that's what they were supposed to be,
grown-ups.

grown-ups.

grown-ups.
Okay, Charlie.

Okay, Charlie.

Okay, Charlie.
See, Charlie is in there.

See, Charlie is in there.

See, Charlie is in there.
And you just spray them on the [\h__\h]

And you just spray them on the [\h__\h]

And you just spray them on the [\h__\h]
place.

>> You coming back before you leave?

>> You coming back before you leave?
>> Um,

>> Um,

>> Um,
yeah.

yeah.

yeah.
Uh, we we still have an hour.

>> Well, I'll see you tomorrow.

>> Well, I'll see you tomorrow.
>> I can I can take it, Russell.

No, he didn't have to go in the first

No, he didn't have to go in the first
place.

place.

place.
>> He was the sole surviving son. His

>> He was the sole surviving son. His

>> He was the sole surviving son. His
father was in World War II.

father was in World War II.

father was in World War II.
Russell went down to the Pentagon and

Russell went down to the Pentagon and

Russell went down to the Pentagon and
begged to be sent.

begged to be sent.

begged to be sent.
He was gun owned.

He was gun owned.

He was gun owned.
>> He hated peace.

>> He hated peace.

>> He hated peace.
>> He would have hated me.

>> He would have hated me.

>> He would have hated me.
They were all in the dark.

They were all in the dark.

They were all in the dark.
By the time those kids got their eyes

By the time those kids got their eyes

By the time those kids got their eyes
open, they were either dead or they'd

open, they were either dead or they'd

open, they were either dead or they'd
seen too much.

>> He scared me today.

>> He scared me today.
>> I can imagine.

>> I can imagine.

>> I can imagine.
I've learned one thing in my years with

I've learned one thing in my years with

I've learned one thing in my years with
Russell.

Russell.

Russell.
He usually does that when he scared

He usually does that when he scared

He usually does that when he scared
himself first.

>> Excuse me. I've been waiting 20 minutes.

>> Excuse me. I've been waiting 20 minutes.
I have 11:30 plane to catch.

I have 11:30 plane to catch.

I have 11:30 plane to catch.
>> He's ready. We just don't have any

>> He's ready. We just don't have any

>> He's ready. We just don't have any
rooms.

rooms.

rooms.
>> Well, what about that one over there?

>> Well, what about that one over there?

>> Well, what about that one over there?
>> That's for lawyers.

>> That's for lawyers.

>> That's for lawyers.
>> Well, could we use it? We're running out

>> Well, could we use it? We're running out

>> Well, could we use it? We're running out
of time.

of time.

of time.
>> He agrees to be secured. You can use

>> He agrees to be secured. You can use

>> He agrees to be secured. You can use
that room.

Hey, it's a pretty nice rig, huh? What

Hey, it's a pretty nice rig, huh? What
do you think?

do you think?

do you think?
Used to have a big ball with it, but you

Used to have a big ball with it, but you

Used to have a big ball with it, but you
know, kind of slowed me down.

know, kind of slowed me down.

know, kind of slowed me down.
>> Well, anyway, you get your nickels

>> Well, anyway, you get your nickels

>> Well, anyway, you get your nickels
worth.

worth.

worth.
Get to see a death row inmate in full

Get to see a death row inmate in full

Get to see a death row inmate in full
parade dress.

parade dress.

parade dress.
>> I came to see you, Russell. I opened the

>> I came to see you, Russell. I opened the

>> I came to see you, Russell. I opened the
paper one day. I saw you were here, and

paper one day. I saw you were here, and

paper one day. I saw you were here, and
I hadn't been the same since.

I hadn't been the same since.

I hadn't been the same since.
Oh, I feel like I'm walking through fog.

Oh, I feel like I'm walking through fog.

Oh, I feel like I'm walking through fog.
I see your face. I

I see your face. I

I see your face. I
[sighs]

[sighs]

[sighs]
try to follow you, ask you questions. I

try to follow you, ask you questions. I

try to follow you, ask you questions. I
know why you're here. I I I didn't come

know why you're here. I I I didn't come

know why you're here. I I I didn't come
to see a prisoner. I knew you before all

to see a prisoner. I knew you before all

to see a prisoner. I knew you before all
this.

this.

this.
I loved you before all this.

I loved you before all this.

I loved you before all this.
>> Let's just not start that again. Okay.

>> Let's just not start that again. Okay.

>> Let's just not start that again. Okay.
>> Okay. Hey, we've got 30 minutes. Where

>> Okay. Hey, we've got 30 minutes. Where

>> Okay. Hey, we've got 30 minutes. Where
do you want to start?

do you want to start?

do you want to start?
I want to start with the old Russell.

I want to start with the old Russell.

I want to start with the old Russell.
>> Well, which old Russell is that? You

>> Well, which old Russell is that? You

>> Well, which old Russell is that? You
know which one.

know which one.

know which one.
>> Cuz if you mean the the cute little

>> Cuz if you mean the the cute little

>> Cuz if you mean the the cute little
soldier boy that you'd whistle up for

soldier boy that you'd whistle up for

soldier boy that you'd whistle up for
some handh holding. I mean,

some handh holding. I mean,

some handh holding. I mean,
>> hey, don't these chains kind of kill

>> hey, don't these chains kind of kill

>> hey, don't these chains kind of kill
that fantasy?

that fantasy?

that fantasy?
>> You're not a fantasy. And you didn't die

>> You're not a fantasy. And you didn't die

>> You're not a fantasy. And you didn't die
in Vietnam.

in Vietnam.

in Vietnam.
I saw you in that car, Russell. There

I saw you in that car, Russell. There

I saw you in that car, Russell. There
was somebody there.

was somebody there.

was somebody there.
>> Oh. Oh, okay. Oh, that one. Okay. Yeah.

>> Oh. Oh, okay. Oh, that one. Okay. Yeah.

>> Oh. Oh, okay. Oh, that one. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. That that goddamn guaranteed time

Yeah. That that goddamn guaranteed time

Yeah. That that goddamn guaranteed time
bomb that nearly killed you.

bomb that nearly killed you.

bomb that nearly killed you.
Well, they booted that Russell. The army

Well, they booted that Russell. The army

Well, they booted that Russell. The army
gave him a [\h__\h] honorable discharge,

gave him a [\h__\h] honorable discharge,

gave him a [\h__\h] honorable discharge,
and you ought to do the same.

and you ought to do the same.

and you ought to do the same.
>> Let's just talk to each other, Russell.

>> Let's just talk to each other, Russell.

>> Let's just talk to each other, Russell.
You and me.

You and me.

You and me.
We don't have to talk about the past. We

We don't have to talk about the past. We

We don't have to talk about the past. We
can just be ourselves just for a little

can just be ourselves just for a little

can just be ourselves just for a little
while.

while.

while.
This other stuff's not important.

Okay, you tell that to the guy I killed

Okay, you tell that to the guy I killed
up in Connecticut. I mean, we were

up in Connecticut. I mean, we were

up in Connecticut. I mean, we were
buddies, him and me. No, we were just

buddies, him and me. No, we were just

buddies, him and me. No, we were just
ourselves. And one night, we come home

ourselves. And one night, we come home

ourselves. And one night, we come home
to my place drunk as [\h__\h] and my wife

to my place drunk as [\h__\h] and my wife

to my place drunk as [\h__\h] and my wife
Cheryl is there and I blew him away.

Cheryl is there and I blew him away.

Cheryl is there and I blew him away.
>> I know.

>> I know.

>> I know.
>> Okay, good that you know that, but I

>> Okay, good that you know that, but I

>> Okay, good that you know that, but I
don't. You see, I don't remember. I

don't. You see, I don't remember. I

don't. You see, I don't remember. I
mean, that's the thing that All right, I

mean, that's the thing that All right, I

mean, that's the thing that All right, I
remember that we got into an argument,

remember that we got into an argument,

remember that we got into an argument,
but the next thing I remember is that

but the next thing I remember is that

but the next thing I remember is that
he's lying on the floor with a bullet

he's lying on the floor with a bullet

he's lying on the floor with a bullet
through his brain. Cheryl's running

through his brain. Cheryl's running

through his brain. Cheryl's running
around screaming. I'm looking for VC,

around screaming. I'm looking for VC,

around screaming. I'm looking for VC,
shooting at the cops, hollering for my

shooting at the cops, hollering for my

shooting at the cops, hollering for my
mom,

mom,

mom,
and she's the only one who could

and she's the only one who could

and she's the only one who could
Okay,

Okay,

Okay,
you want to have a little tetat with

you want to have a little tetat with

you want to have a little tetat with
that guy for

that guy for

that guy for
>> No, I want to see the Russell I knew. He

>> No, I want to see the Russell I knew. He

>> No, I want to see the Russell I knew. He
wasn't a killer. He wouldn't hurt a

wasn't a killer. He wouldn't hurt a

wasn't a killer. He wouldn't hurt a
flea. You wanted to be a vet, remember?

flea. You wanted to be a vet, remember?

flea. You wanted to be a vet, remember?
>> Well, [laughter] hey,

>> Well, [laughter] hey,

>> Well, [laughter] hey,
I am one.

>> I met with animals.

>> I met with animals.
>> Hey, I am a vet and I am an animal. How

>> Hey, I am a vet and I am an animal. How

>> Hey, I am a vet and I am an animal. How
about that?

about that?

about that?
>> No, you're not.

>> No, you're not.

>> No, you're not.
>> Well, I might as well be.

>> Well, I might as well be.

>> Well, I might as well be.
Oh, come on.

Oh, come on.

Oh, come on.
What do you think this place is? It's

What do you think this place is? It's

What do you think this place is? It's
just a dog pound.

I walked away from the first one of

I walked away from the first one of
these [\h__\h] places, Glastonbury

these [\h__\h] places, Glastonbury

these [\h__\h] places, Glastonbury
Correctional,

Correctional,

Correctional,
two months before I got to parole.

two months before I got to parole.

two months before I got to parole.
I was real smart, wasn't it? But I just

I was real smart, wasn't it? But I just

I was real smart, wasn't it? But I just
couldn't stand it. I just

couldn't stand it. I just

couldn't stand it. I just
>> Did you go to Kingsbury?

>> Thought I saw you there one day across

>> Thought I saw you there one day across
the street. No,

the street. No,

the street. No,
>> it wasn't me. I was gone. Colorado.

>> it wasn't me. I was gone. Colorado.

>> it wasn't me. I was gone. Colorado.
had I made out all right there.

had I made out all right there.

had I made out all right there.
Got a lot of good jobs. You ever been

Got a lot of good jobs. You ever been

Got a lot of good jobs. You ever been
there? God, it's so [\h__\h] beautiful

there? God, it's so [\h__\h] beautiful

there? God, it's so [\h__\h] beautiful
mountains.

mountains.

mountains.
Yeah. I'd blow off my jobs and I'd go on

Yeah. I'd blow off my jobs and I'd go on

Yeah. I'd blow off my jobs and I'd go on
up to the mountains

up to the mountains

up to the mountains
as long as it wasn't raining. I mean, I

as long as it wasn't raining. I mean, I

as long as it wasn't raining. I mean, I
hated rain. Raining scared the [\h__\h] out

hated rain. Raining scared the [\h__\h] out

hated rain. Raining scared the [\h__\h] out
of me. It remind me, you know, long as

of me. It remind me, you know, long as

of me. It remind me, you know, long as
it wasn't raining.

it wasn't raining.

it wasn't raining.
>> Rain would remind you.

>> Rain would remind you.

>> Rain would remind you.
>> Yeah. Yeah. rain or you know rise from

>> Yeah. Yeah. rain or you know rise from

>> Yeah. Yeah. rain or you know rise from
smell of diesel or bowl of spaghetti or

smell of diesel or bowl of spaghetti or

smell of diesel or bowl of spaghetti or
anything you know or nothing at all. You

anything you know or nothing at all. You

anything you know or nothing at all. You
just be walking along the street and all

just be walking along the street and all

just be walking along the street and all
a sudden bam you know you this flashback

I mean you might be able to shake it off

I mean you might be able to shake it off
or somebody might be able to bring you

or somebody might be able to bring you

or somebody might be able to bring you
back but you know

back but you know

back but you know
after the first one of those you're

after the first one of those you're

after the first one of those you're
always looking over your shoulder wonder

always looking over your shoulder wonder

always looking over your shoulder wonder
when the next [\h__\h] is going to strike

when the next [\h__\h] is going to strike

when the next [\h__\h] is going to strike
you.

you.

you.
I every day

I every day

I every day
I wake up and I don't I don't know who

I wake up and I don't I don't know who

I wake up and I don't I don't know who
I'm going to be or normal or or wacko or

Yeah, Colorado. Um,

Yeah, Colorado. Um,
I uh I kept my head above water out

I uh I kept my head above water out

I uh I kept my head above water out
there. I, you know, I made some friends.

there. I, you know, I made some friends.

there. I, you know, I made some friends.
Went out with this couple. I had some

Went out with this couple. I had some

Went out with this couple. I had some
kids. Well, you got kids. You know, they

kids. Well, you got kids. You know, they

kids. Well, you got kids. You know, they
they're terrific.

they're terrific.

they're terrific.
>> Why'd you leave here? Why'd you come

>> Why'd you leave here? Why'd you come

>> Why'd you leave here? Why'd you come
back here?

back here?

back here?
>> Mom was dead.

>> Mom was dead.

>> Mom was dead.
>> I liked your mother.

>> I liked your mother.

>> I liked your mother.
>> Yeah, so did I. [snorts]

>> Yeah, so did I. [snorts]

>> Yeah, so did I. [snorts]
But she was gone. And then I just I

But she was gone. And then I just I

But she was gone. And then I just I
really started to fish tail and it was

really started to fish tail and it was

really started to fish tail and it was
like [\h__\h] flashback city. I mean you

like [\h__\h] flashback city. I mean you

like [\h__\h] flashback city. I mean you
you couldn't have picked me out of a

you couldn't have picked me out of a

you couldn't have picked me out of a
crowd of two back then. I was so [\h__\h]

crowd of two back then. I was so [\h__\h]

crowd of two back then. I was so [\h__\h]
up, you know.

up, you know.

up, you know.
But my [\h__\h] cousin picked me out

But my [\h__\h] cousin picked me out

But my [\h__\h] cousin picked me out
though. He's family, right? He's family.

though. He's family, right? He's family.

though. He's family, right? He's family.
He sees me at the funeral and he turns

He sees me at the funeral and he turns

He sees me at the funeral and he turns
me into the cops.

me into the cops.

me into the cops.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
I mean, that's how this whole thing got

I mean, that's how this whole thing got

I mean, that's how this whole thing got
jump started in the first place. I'm at

jump started in the first place. I'm at

jump started in the first place. I'm at
this little construction site and Franny

this little construction site and Franny

this little construction site and Franny
comes down there and tells me the cops

comes down there and tells me the cops

comes down there and tells me the cops
are coming after me. She gives me some

are coming after me. She gives me some

are coming after me. She gives me some
money to take off, but I'll go straight

money to take off, but I'll go straight

money to take off, but I'll go straight
to a gun shop.

to a gun shop.

to a gun shop.
>> Why?

>> Yeah,

>> Yeah,
but I couldn't do it sober. I had to go

but I couldn't do it sober. I had to go

but I couldn't do it sober. I had to go
get good and [\h__\h] up.

get good and [\h__\h] up.

get good and [\h__\h] up.
Hey,

Hey,

Hey,
>> see something wrong with this picture,

>> see something wrong with this picture,

>> see something wrong with this picture,
man.

>> Just give me another beer, please.

>> Just give me another beer, please.
>> You've had enough, my friend.

>> Just give me 15 more of these and I'll

>> Just give me 15 more of these and I'll
I'll show you what enough is.

I'll show you what enough is.

I'll show you what enough is.
>> Maybe we'll do that another day, pal.

What? You

What? You
>> You don't You don't serve people who

>> You don't You don't serve people who

>> You don't You don't serve people who
serve their country. Is that what I'm

serve their country. Is that what I'm

serve their country. Is that what I'm
hearing here?

>> I tell you what you're hearing, soldier

>> I tell you what you're hearing, soldier
boy.

boy.

boy.
We don't serve drunks.

We don't serve drunks.

We don't serve drunks.
Now you're cut off. Why don't you get

Now you're cut off. Why don't you get

Now you're cut off. Why don't you get
the [\h__\h] out of here?

the [\h__\h] out of here?

the [\h__\h] out of here?
[snorts]

[\h__\h] you.

[\h__\h] you.
>> Yeah. And [\h__\h] you too, pal. The door is

>> Yeah. And [\h__\h] you too, pal. The door is

>> Yeah. And [\h__\h] you too, pal. The door is
that way.

Arizona

Arizona
Get it, man.

>> That's him. That's him right there.

>> That's him. That's him right there.
>> Hey. Hey, you got a word with you.

>> Hey. Hey, you got a word with you.

>> Hey. Hey, you got a word with you.
>> You do the damage in there.

>> You do the damage in there.

>> You do the damage in there.
>> Hey, come on now. Hey.

>> Hey, come on now. Hey.

>> Hey, come on now. Hey.
>> Hey, don't put your [\h__\h] hands on me,

>> Hey, don't put your [\h__\h] hands on me,

>> Hey, don't put your [\h__\h] hands on me,
man. Leave me the [\h__\h] alone. Okay.

man. Leave me the [\h__\h] alone. Okay.

man. Leave me the [\h__\h] alone. Okay.
>> Get rough.

>> Get rough.

>> Get rough.
>> Hey, I used to wear a uniform. I didn't

>> Hey, I used to wear a uniform. I didn't

>> Hey, I used to wear a uniform. I didn't
go around grabbing everybody.

>> Give me your hand.

>> Give me your hand.
Yeah, I know the routine, man.

Yeah, I know the routine, man.

Yeah, I know the routine, man.
>> Seems like you do.

>> He's clean.

>> He's clean.
>> He's clean. Come on in. Watch your head.

>> Seems to settle down a bit.

>> Seems to settle down a bit.
>> Yeah, I think he's all right. He's going

>> Yeah, I think he's all right. He's going

>> Yeah, I think he's all right. He's going
to be okay. And uh you want to go in and

to be okay. And uh you want to go in and

to be okay. And uh you want to go in and
get with Mike and get a statement as to

get with Mike and get a statement as to

get with Mike and get a statement as to
what happened?

what happened?

what happened?
>> See what kind of damage he's done in

>> See what kind of damage he's done in

>> See what kind of damage he's done in
there?

there?

there?
>> Yeah.

Yeah, it's your call your watch,

Yeah, it's your call your watch,
commander.

commander.

commander.
>> Hey. HEY.

That's when I knew the end had finally

That's when I knew the end had finally
come.

come.

come.
They shot up every inch of me, but I

They shot up every inch of me, but I

They shot up every inch of me, but I
survived.

survived.

survived.
They kicked the [\h__\h] out of me in the

They kicked the [\h__\h] out of me in the

They kicked the [\h__\h] out of me in the
ambulance, guarding the hospital,

ambulance, guarding the hospital,

ambulance, guarding the hospital,
pushing me around, rolled me out of bed.

pushing me around, rolled me out of bed.

pushing me around, rolled me out of bed.
And I lost a kidney, half my liver, and

And I lost a kidney, half my liver, and

And I lost a kidney, half my liver, and
my left foot almost.

my left foot almost.

my left foot almost.
God,

God,

God,
>> I don't know why I didn't die.

[snorts]

[snorts]
>> Just hadn't gotten in the way, you know.

>> Just hadn't gotten in the way, you know.

>> Just hadn't gotten in the way, you know.
>> Who hadn't gotten in the way?

>> Who hadn't gotten in the way?

>> Who hadn't gotten in the way?
>> Cops.

>> Cops.

>> Cops.
>> The one you shot.

>> The one you shot.

>> The one you shot.
>> I didn't shoot him. No, you can look

>> I didn't shoot him. No, you can look

>> I didn't shoot him. No, you can look
this up.

this up.

this up.
The bullet that killed that son of a

The bullet that killed that son of a

The bullet that killed that son of a
[\h__\h] it went straight out. It split on

[\h__\h] it went straight out. It split on

[\h__\h] it went straight out. It split on
a spring in the front seat. Half went

a spring in the front seat. Half went

a spring in the front seat. Half went
into his hip and opened up an artery. He

into his hip and opened up an artery. He

into his hip and opened up an artery. He
died from loss of blood. Yeah, they may

died from loss of blood. Yeah, they may

died from loss of blood. Yeah, they may
even [\h__\h] up in the ambulance for all

even [\h__\h] up in the ambulance for all

even [\h__\h] up in the ambulance for all
we know.

we know.

we know.
>> That can't be first-degree murder, can

>> That can't be first-degree murder, can

>> That can't be first-degree murder, can
it?

it?

it?
>> Well, South Carolina sure was.

>> Well, South Carolina sure was.

>> Well, South Carolina sure was.
>> Russell,

>> Russell,

>> Russell,
this is what you got the death penalty

this is what you got the death penalty

this is what you got the death penalty
for?

for?

for?
>> Yep.

>> Yep.

>> Yep.
that and me telling him to do it.

that and me telling him to do it.

that and me telling him to do it.
>> Oh god.

>> Oh god.

>> Oh god.
>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.
I got the conviction and I stood up in

I got the conviction and I stood up in

I got the conviction and I stood up in
the sentencing and I told him to [\h__\h]

the sentencing and I told him to [\h__\h]

the sentencing and I told him to [\h__\h]
kill me.

kill me.

kill me.
>> But you were trying to kill yourself,

>> But you were trying to kill yourself,

>> But you were trying to kill yourself,
Russell. You weren't trying to kill

Russell. You weren't trying to kill

Russell. You weren't trying to kill
anybody else.

anybody else.

anybody else.
>> I gave up a long time ago trying to get

>> I gave up a long time ago trying to get

>> I gave up a long time ago trying to get
anybody to listen about that. Now, this

anybody to listen about that. Now, this

anybody to listen about that. Now, this
is the truth. It's the whole truth and

is the truth. It's the whole truth and

is the truth. It's the whole truth and
nothing but. You want to check it out?

nothing but. You want to check it out?

nothing but. You want to check it out?
Granny's got all the court records. They

Granny's got all the court records. They

Granny's got all the court records. They
want to treat me like a rabbit dog and

want to treat me like a rabbit dog and

want to treat me like a rabbit dog and
shoot me and I'm so be it.

[clears throat]

[clears throat]
>> You got to go.

I am a wreck out on the highway and they

I am a wreck out on the highway and they
are going to burn me. You

are going to burn me. You

are going to burn me. You
>> live with it, Pam.

>> live with it, Pam.

>> live with it, Pam.
>> How can I live with that?

>> How can I live with that?

>> How can I live with that?
>> Well, you lived with a fantasy for 20

>> Well, you lived with a fantasy for 20

>> Well, you lived with a fantasy for 20
years. You can live with this.

years. You can live with this.

years. You can live with this.
>> No.

>> No.

>> No.
You've been more real to me than

You've been more real to me than

You've been more real to me than
anything in my life. Russell.

anything in my life. Russell.

anything in my life. Russell.
>> Oh, come on. More real than your kids.

>> Oh, come on. More real than your kids.

>> Oh, come on. More real than your kids.
You go home and look at those kids and

You go home and look at those kids and

You go home and look at those kids and
tell me that.

You don't know what you've meant.

You don't know what you've meant.
>> Yes, I do. I do.

>> Yes, I do. I do.

>> Yes, I do. I do.
You see, I want that to be over. It, you

You see, I want that to be over. It, you

You see, I want that to be over. It, you
know, I didn't realize it then, but I

know, I didn't realize it then, but I

know, I didn't realize it then, but I
left you. I went away. I didn't ride. I

left you. I went away. I didn't ride. I

left you. I went away. I didn't ride. I
didn't call or nothing because I didn't

didn't call or nothing because I didn't

didn't call or nothing because I didn't
want to take you down with me. And I do

want to take you down with me. And I do

want to take you down with me. And I do
not want to take you down now.

>> You know, they're going to do us both a

>> You know, they're going to do us both a
favor when they fry me.

Pam, I am going to die. I'm sorry you

Pam, I am going to die. I'm sorry you
had to see me like this, but you're just

had to see me like this, but you're just

had to see me like this, but you're just
going to have to do what you got to do

going to have to do what you got to do

going to have to do what you got to do
to forget it.

to forget it.

to forget it.
>> No,

>> No,

>> No,
you can't do that. I'll remember what I

you can't do that. I'll remember what I

you can't do that. I'll remember what I
want to remember.

the last one. Look at Look at Oh, yeah.

the last one. Look at Look at Oh, yeah.
Beverly.

You all right?

You all right?
>> No, but I'm not going to pretend to be.

>> He didn't do what they said he did,

>> He didn't do what they said he did,
Keith. It was an accident.

>> They're going to kill him for something

>> They're going to kill him for something
he didn't do. [snorts]

he didn't do. [snorts]

he didn't do. [snorts]
>> Nobody can do anything about it.

>> Nobody can do anything about it.

>> Nobody can do anything about it.
>> Oh, for Christ's sake.

>> Oh, for Christ's sake.

>> Oh, for Christ's sake.
Didn't

Didn't

Didn't
happen the way they said it. Keith,

happen the way they said it. Keith,

happen the way they said it. Keith,
I can show you court records.

I can show you court records.

I can show you court records.
>> I don't want to see any court records.

>> I don't want to see any court records.

>> I don't want to see any court records.
>> Why wouldn't you want to help a fellow

>> Why wouldn't you want to help a fellow

>> Why wouldn't you want to help a fellow
vet?

vet?

vet?
>> He's not a fellow vet.

>> He's not a fellow vet.

>> He's not a fellow vet.
>> He is a fellow vet.

>> He is a fellow vet.

>> He is a fellow vet.
>> He's not a fellow vet. [laughter]

>> He's not a fellow vet. [laughter]

>> He's not a fellow vet. [laughter]
Okay. He's not a fellow anything. He's a

Okay. He's not a fellow anything. He's a

Okay. He's not a fellow anything. He's a
goddamn murderer.

goddamn murderer.

goddamn murderer.
I'm your husband.

Why can't you see things the way I see

Why can't you see things the way I see
them?

them?

them?
>> I see.

>> I see.

>> I see.
I see.

I see.

I see.
I see. A guy who kills a cop wants to

I see. A guy who kills a cop wants to

I see. A guy who kills a cop wants to
blame the war. And you're looking at

blame the war. And you're looking at

blame the war. And you're looking at
some hot rodder you've been carrying a

some hot rodder you've been carrying a

some hot rodder you've been carrying a
torch for for 20 years.

torch for for 20 years.

torch for for 20 years.
>> I'm not carrying a torch for him, Keith.

>> I'm not carrying a torch for him, Keith.

>> I'm not carrying a torch for him, Keith.
He didn't do what they said he did.

And all I want to do is shout it from

And all I want to do is shout it from
every rooftop. And

every rooftop. And

every rooftop. And
even if I did, it wouldn't make a damn

even if I did, it wouldn't make a damn

even if I did, it wouldn't make a damn
bit of difference. Does that sound like

bit of difference. Does that sound like

bit of difference. Does that sound like
love to you?

Open 18.

Open 18.
>> Dear Pam, I don't know if this will be

>> Dear Pam, I don't know if this will be

>> Dear Pam, I don't know if this will be
the last letter or not. I'm too pissed

the last letter or not. I'm too pissed

the last letter or not. I'm too pissed
off to sit down and write much. Two

off to sit down and write much. Two

off to sit down and write much. Two
nights ago, I tried to check out by

nights ago, I tried to check out by

nights ago, I tried to check out by
myself and had a piece of glass I'd been

myself and had a piece of glass I'd been

myself and had a piece of glass I'd been
saving for the special occasion.

saving for the special occasion.

saving for the special occasion.
Got both my wrists slit and was out when

Got both my wrists slit and was out when

Got both my wrists slit and was out when
I guess some [\h__\h] [\h__\h] boy scout

I guess some [\h__\h] [\h__\h] boy scout

I guess some [\h__\h] [\h__\h] boy scout
guard decided to make an unusual bed

guard decided to make an unusual bed

guard decided to make an unusual bed
check. And

check. And

check. And
I woke up in the prison hospital.

I woke up in the prison hospital.

I woke up in the prison hospital.
Now I'm back here with a [\h__\h] 24-hour

Now I'm back here with a [\h__\h] 24-hour

Now I'm back here with a [\h__\h] 24-hour
suicide watch cuz they want to make sure

suicide watch cuz they want to make sure

suicide watch cuz they want to make sure
I don't kill myself before they get

I don't kill myself before they get

I don't kill myself before they get
their wax in.

their wax in.

their wax in.
Bloodthirsty [\h__\h]

Bloodthirsty [\h__\h]

Bloodthirsty [\h__\h]
>> Hello, this is Dan Labole. Is Pam there?

>> Hello, this is Dan Labole. Is Pam there?

>> Hello, this is Dan Labole. Is Pam there?
>> No. Who's Who is this?

>> No. Who's Who is this?

>> No. Who's Who is this?
>> Dan Labau. I'm a friend of Russell Case.

>> Dan Labau. I'm a friend of Russell Case.

>> Dan Labau. I'm a friend of Russell Case.
>> Yeah, I know.

>> Yeah, I know.

>> Yeah, I know.
>> Well, I'm returning her call.

>> Well, I'm returning her call.

>> Well, I'm returning her call.
Tell her Russell's sister said she can

Tell her Russell's sister said she can

Tell her Russell's sister said she can
get Pam in to see Russell. All she has

get Pam in to see Russell. All she has

get Pam in to see Russell. All she has
to do is pretend to be a relative.

to do is pretend to be a relative.

to do is pretend to be a relative.
Okay.

Okay.

Okay.
I'll uh

I'll uh

I'll uh
I'll tell her.

>> If I can get in.

>> If I can get in.
I'm not just going to wait around

I'm not just going to wait around

I'm not just going to wait around
outside.

outside.

outside.
>> Were you just going to leave and not

>> Were you just going to leave and not

>> Were you just going to leave and not
tell me?

tell me?

tell me?
>> No,

>> No,

>> No,
I just didn't want to mention it until I

I just didn't want to mention it until I

I just didn't want to mention it until I
was sure.

was sure.

was sure.
>> Oh, it's going to work out.

>> Oh, it's going to work out.

>> Oh, it's going to work out.
You just got a call from that Dan guy.

>> He tried to kill himself, Keith.

>> He tried to kill himself, Keith.
What? He tried to beat him to it, did

What? He tried to beat him to it, did

What? He tried to beat him to it, did
he? You know,

he? You know,

he? You know,
I don't care.

I don't care.

I don't care.
I don't care.

>> He's a dying man, Keith. He's a dead

>> He's a dying man, Keith. He's a dead
man. In one week, he'll be dead.

man. In one week, he'll be dead.

man. In one week, he'll be dead.
>> Then go. Go down there. Be with him for

>> Then go. Go down there. Be with him for

>> Then go. Go down there. Be with him for
a week. Hold his hand. Go.

a week. Hold his hand. Go.

a week. Hold his hand. Go.
>> I'm not leaving. I'm just going to help

>> I'm not leaving. I'm just going to help

>> I'm not leaving. I'm just going to help
somebody who really needs me.

somebody who really needs me.

somebody who really needs me.
>> Go.

I [clears throat] need you to come with

I [clears throat] need you to come with
me.

>> I can't talk to you with your face in

>> I can't talk to you with your face in
the pillow.

the pillow.

the pillow.
>> Don't want to talk to you.

>> Don't want to talk to you.

>> Don't want to talk to you.
>> Oh, Becca, honey, we're only going to be

>> Oh, Becca, honey, we're only going to be

>> Oh, Becca, honey, we're only going to be
there for a couple of days.

there for a couple of days.

there for a couple of days.
>> Yeah, you'll be divorced. That's what

>> Yeah, you'll be divorced. That's what

>> Yeah, you'll be divorced. That's what
Miranda's parents did. They went away.

Miranda's parents did. They went away.

Miranda's parents did. They went away.
When they came back, they were divorced.

When they came back, they were divorced.

When they came back, they were divorced.
>> Becca, honey, that's not the same.

>> Becca, honey, that's not the same.

>> Becca, honey, that's not the same.
I hate that guy.

honey, please don't hate him.

honey, please don't hate him.
Someday some boy will come along and

he won't pull your hair.

he won't pull your hair.
He won't chase you.

He won't chase you.

He won't chase you.
He'll just be nice to you.

He'll just be nice to you.

He'll just be nice to you.
And if that comes at a time

And if that comes at a time

And if that comes at a time
in your life when you need somebody to

in your life when you need somebody to

in your life when you need somebody to
be nice to you,

right over there.

right over there.
>> I'll be back in a couple hours.

>> This is a contact visit. You can hold

>> This is a contact visit. You can hold
hands. No kissing, no falling, none of

hands. No kissing, no falling, none of

hands. No kissing, no falling, none of
that. I'm his cousin.

that. I'm his cousin.

that. I'm his cousin.
>> Yeah. Well, just in case you were a

>> Yeah. Well, just in case you were a

>> Yeah. Well, just in case you were a
kissing cousin.

>> I don't like it back here.

>> I don't like it back here.
>> Yeah, well, neither do I. But, you know,

>> Yeah, well, neither do I. But, you know,

>> Yeah, well, neither do I. But, you know,
I'm not going to be staying here too

I'm not going to be staying here too

I'm not going to be staying here too
long.

long.

long.
Oh. Uh,

Oh. Uh,

Oh. Uh,
just so you know.

just so you know.

just so you know.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Federal District Court turned me down

Federal District Court turned me down

Federal District Court turned me down
this morning.

this morning.

this morning.
That was my last best hope, just so you

That was my last best hope, just so you

That was my last best hope, just so you
know.

Fran says there's still the Supreme

Fran says there's still the Supreme
Court. Oh,

Court. Oh,

Court. Oh,
>> yeah. Yeah. I forgot about those guys.

>> yeah. Yeah. I forgot about those guys.

>> yeah. Yeah. I forgot about those guys.
Damn, all those wonderful little

Damn, all those wonderful little

Damn, all those wonderful little
judicial minds that Nixon and Reagan

judicial minds that Nixon and Reagan

judicial minds that Nixon and Reagan
appointed. Yeah.

appointed. Yeah.

appointed. Yeah.
You know, Pam, it's not about the law

You know, Pam, it's not about the law

You know, Pam, it's not about the law
anymore.

Just about the country getting its rocks

Just about the country getting its rocks
off on a couple inmates a month.

off on a couple inmates a month.

off on a couple inmates a month.
I don't want to talk about the death

I don't want to talk about the death

I don't want to talk about the death
penalty now.

penalty now.

penalty now.
>> Well, it's kind of hard to ignore, isn't

>> Well, it's kind of hard to ignore, isn't

>> Well, it's kind of hard to ignore, isn't
it?

>> Keith came down here with me.

>> Keith came down here with me.
>> Your husband?

>> Your husband?

>> Your husband?
What for?

What for?

What for?
>> Coming down here's caused some problems

>> Coming down here's caused some problems

>> Coming down here's caused some problems
for us.

for us.

for us.
>> Yeah, I can imagine.

Where is he?

Where is he?
>> With Fran.

>> With Fran.

>> With Fran.
>> Uhoh. Is

that what you want to do? Come in here

that what you want to do? Come in here
and duke it out with me or something?

and duke it out with me or something?

and duke it out with me or something?
Hey, why don't you shut the [\h__\h] up,

Hey, why don't you shut the [\h__\h] up,

Hey, why don't you shut the [\h__\h] up,
Daniels? There's enough we got to put up

Daniels? There's enough we got to put up

Daniels? There's enough we got to put up
with your silly ass sitting there with

with your silly ass sitting there with

with your silly ass sitting there with
you. Just please hold the comments.

>> He doesn't want to see you.

>> He doesn't want to see you.
>> Well, he came down here to help you,

>> Well, he came down here to help you,

>> Well, he came down here to help you,
right?

Come closer.

Come closer.
Don't worry about him.

Yeah. Stick your face in here. Hey,

Yeah. Stick your face in here. Hey,
Daniel, don't worry. Nothing's going to

Daniel, don't worry. Nothing's going to

Daniel, don't worry. Nothing's going to
happen.

>> You know what I'm going to hate most

>> You know what I'm going to hate most
about dying in here is this is the last

about dying in here is this is the last

about dying in here is this is the last
thing I'm ever going to see.

thing I'm ever going to see.

thing I'm ever going to see.
Now, I can sort of remember what

Now, I can sort of remember what

Now, I can sort of remember what
Colorado looked like.

Colorado looked like.

Colorado looked like.
I'd give anything to die there.

You're going to have to be in my

You're going to have to be in my
Colorado.

>> He wants to see you.

>> He wants to see you.
>> No.

>> No, I don't want to see him.

>> No, I don't want to see him.
Well, it's cleared. You got half an hour

>> if you want to know what's going on with

>> if you want to know what's going on with
Makeo Save.

Pam says you want to talk.

Pam says you want to talk.
>> Yeah,

>> Yeah,

>> Yeah,
I understand this has been real

I understand this has been real

I understand this has been real
difficult for you.

difficult for you.

difficult for you.
>> What do you mean?

>> What do you mean?

>> What do you mean?
>> Well, Pam, coming down here and seeing

>> Well, Pam, coming down here and seeing

>> Well, Pam, coming down here and seeing
me and all.

me and all.

me and all.
>> Well, I

>> Well, I

>> Well, I
I got to think it's harder for you than

I got to think it's harder for you than

I got to think it's harder for you than
it is for me.

it is for me.

it is for me.
Think so.

Yeah, I'

Yeah, I'
I'd say for sure. Uh cuz they're uh

I'd say for sure. Uh cuz they're uh

I'd say for sure. Uh cuz they're uh
going to kill me or cuz I'll never see

going to kill me or cuz I'll never see

going to kill me or cuz I'll never see
Pam again.

Pam again.

Pam again.
What's that mean? Nothing much. Trying

What's that mean? Nothing much. Trying

What's that mean? Nothing much. Trying
to figure out where you're coming from.

to figure out where you're coming from.

to figure out where you're coming from.
Cuz if you think Pam and me got

Cuz if you think Pam and me got

Cuz if you think Pam and me got
something going on down here that you

something going on down here that you

something going on down here that you
know you should be jealous of, you know,

know you should be jealous of, you know,

know you should be jealous of, you know,
I guess not seeing her would be the

I guess not seeing her would be the

I guess not seeing her would be the
worst.

[sighs]

[sighs]
Look, I

Look, I

Look, I
I'm not rooting for you to get killed.

I'm not rooting for you to get killed.

I'm not rooting for you to get killed.
>> Maybe, maybe not.

>> Maybe, maybe not.

>> Maybe, maybe not.
My guess is he'd kind of like to be in

My guess is he'd kind of like to be in

My guess is he'd kind of like to be in
my shoes, right?

my shoes, right?

my shoes, right?
What'd you see

What'd you see

What'd you see
in the country?

A little bit.

A little bit.
>> You get outside in Daang.

>> You get outside in Daang.

>> You get outside in Daang.
>> Yeah,

>> Yeah,

>> Yeah,
we we ran supplies in the in the delta.

we we ran supplies in the in the delta.

we we ran supplies in the in the delta.
We got around.

>> Is that it? Hm.

>> Is that it? Hm.
Is that all?

I kept it together.

I kept it together.
>> Yeah. Yeah, it looks like it.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it looks like it.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it looks like it.
>> I came back.

I came back. I went to school. I went to

I came back. I went to school. I went to
work. I got married. I'm trying to raise

work. I got married. I'm trying to raise

work. I got married. I'm trying to raise
a family. Yeah. And uh I'm getting in

a family. Yeah. And uh I'm getting in

a family. Yeah. And uh I'm getting in
the way, right?

Well, you want to know the truth?

Well, you want to know the truth?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Hey, how am I getting in the way? But

>> Hey, how am I getting in the way? But
you said you're not jealous of

you said you're not jealous of

you said you're not jealous of
>> It's

>> It's

>> It's
It's Pam.

It's Pam.

It's Pam.
No, it isn't.

No, it isn't.

No, it isn't.
It's you, isn't it?

You You might as well tell me cuz you

You You might as well tell me cuz you
know it it it's just going to go to the

know it it it's just going to go to the

know it it it's just going to go to the
grave with me, man.

Come on.

Come on.
What is it?

What is it?

What is it?
Don't keep it in. I mean, you got to let

Don't keep it in. I mean, you got to let

Don't keep it in. I mean, you got to let
it go, man. You It'll kill you if you

it go, man. You It'll kill you if you

it go, man. You It'll kill you if you
keep it inside.

Come on. [panting]

Come on. [panting]
Come on. Let it go. [laughter]

I I don't know.

I I don't know.
>> What don't you know?

>> What don't you know?

>> What don't you know?
>> I don't know his name. [laughter] I

>> I don't know his name. [laughter] I

>> I don't know his name. [laughter] I
don't know who killed him.

don't know who killed him.

don't know who killed him.
>> Who Who killed who?

>> Who Who killed who?

>> Who Who killed who?
>> I don't know his name. He's from North

>> I don't know his name. He's from North

>> I don't know his name. He's from North
Dakota [laughter]

Dakota [laughter]

Dakota [laughter]
Dakota.

Dakota.

Dakota.
>> Hold on. It was Friendly Fire, right? I

>> Hold on. It was Friendly Fire, right? I

>> Hold on. It was Friendly Fire, right? I
don't know.

don't know.

don't know.
>> Right. And you thought it was Charlie? I

>> Right. And you thought it was Charlie? I

>> Right. And you thought it was Charlie? I
don't know.

don't know.

don't know.
>> That's it, right?

>> That's it, right?

>> That's it, right?
>> Listen, you don't know. You don't know

>> Listen, you don't know. You don't know

>> Listen, you don't know. You don't know
if you greased your buddy. Is that it?

if you greased your buddy. Is that it?

if you greased your buddy. Is that it?
>> Jesus. [laughter] Jesus. What were they

>> Jesus. [laughter] Jesus. What were they

>> Jesus. [laughter] Jesus. What were they
doing there? What were they doing, man?

What were they doing there? What were

What were they doing there? What were
they doing there? The first one came in.

they doing there? The first one came in.

they doing there? The first one came in.
I couldn't I couldn't hear. I just blew

I couldn't I couldn't hear. I just blew

I couldn't I couldn't hear. I just blew
my ears right up, but I thought I saw

my ears right up, but I thought I saw

my ears right up, but I thought I saw
you on the perimeter. I thought you

you on the perimeter. I thought you

you on the perimeter. I thought you
sprayed the bush, right?

sprayed the bush, right?

sprayed the bush, right?
>> I don't know. I don't know.

>> [laughter]

>> [laughter]
[gasps]

[panting]

[panting]
[sighs]

>> You know what?

>> You know what?
If I were you, I'd go tell Pam the whole

If I were you, I'd go tell Pam the whole

If I were you, I'd go tell Pam the whole
story.

You're not You're not me.

You're not You're not me.
>> No, I know I'm not. I'm a dead man.

>> No, I know I'm not. I'm a dead man.

>> No, I know I'm not. I'm a dead man.
You're alive.

>> Can't spell your custody. It's the only

>> Can't spell your custody. It's the only
way.

There a couple of vets sitting around

There a couple of vets sitting around
talking.

Are you going to get in trouble for

Are you going to get in trouble for
this, too? Well,

this, too? Well,

this, too? Well,
>> what what time is it?

>> what what time is it?

>> what what time is it?
>> I don't know. Way past midnight. Are you

>> I don't know. Way past midnight. Are you

>> I don't know. Way past midnight. Are you
going to be in trouble?

going to be in trouble?

going to be in trouble?
>> I don't know. I've

>> I don't know. I've

>> I don't know. I've
never done anything like this.

never done anything like this.

never done anything like this.
>> Me neither. Might as well stay the rest

>> Me neither. Might as well stay the rest

>> Me neither. Might as well stay the rest
of the night. If we get caught, this

of the night. If we get caught, this

of the night. If we get caught, this
could be the last time we see each other

could be the last time we see each other

could be the last time we see each other
for a while.

for a while.

for a while.
>> I'd hate that.

>> I'd hate that.

>> I'd hate that.
>> Me, too.

>> Me, too.

>> Me, too.
[snorts and sighs]

You make me feel like a king.

You make me feel like a king.
>> I do.

>> I do.

>> I do.
>> I do. Hey, we're not getting married,

am I?

am I?
Better not tell you that I love you,

Better not tell you that I love you,

Better not tell you that I love you,
Ray.

Ray.

Ray.
>> Right.

Some of these guys actually do have some

Some of these guys actually do have some
humanity in them.

humanity in them.

humanity in them.
I've been trying to get some privacy in

I've been trying to get some privacy in

I've been trying to get some privacy in
here for about 10 years.

How are you?

How are you?
>> Oh, I'm all right. [snorts]

>> Oh, I'm all right. [snorts]

>> Oh, I'm all right. [snorts]
I had kind of a rough night.

I had kind of a rough night.

I had kind of a rough night.
Guys were whispering. Three days to go.

Guys were whispering. Three days to go.

Guys were whispering. Three days to go.
Three days to go.

>> I don't know. He's

>> I don't know. He's
angry. I guess

angry. I guess

angry. I guess
he won't talk.

he won't talk.

he won't talk.
>> He will.

>> He will.

>> He will.
He just probably thinks there's, you

He just probably thinks there's, you

He just probably thinks there's, you
know, something going on between us, you

know, something going on between us, you

know, something going on between us, you
know.

know.

know.
>> Probably.

>> I did love you.

>> I did love you.
>> Well, that wasn't love,

>> Well, that wasn't love,

>> Well, that wasn't love,
you know.

you know.

you know.
Have you known anything bitter?

Have you known anything bitter?

Have you known anything bitter?
>> Why are you doing this?

I can't go there, Pam. I'm sorry. I I

I can't go there, Pam. I'm sorry. I I
don't want

>> I know you did.

>> I know you did.
>> Well,

>> Well,

>> Well,
maybe I did. Maybe

maybe I did. Maybe

maybe I did. Maybe
maybe I didn't.

maybe I didn't.

maybe I didn't.
Pam,

I don't remember.

I don't remember.
>> I do.

>> I do.

>> I do.
>> I do. I do. Well, listen. We're not

>> I do. I do. Well, listen. We're not

>> I do. I do. Well, listen. We're not
getting married here. Okay.

getting married here. Okay.

getting married here. Okay.
>> Oh, God.

>> Oh, God.

>> Oh, God.
Russell, you're in there.

Russell, you're in there.

Russell, you're in there.
>> No, just don't. Please don't. I can't do

>> No, just don't. Please don't. I can't do

>> No, just don't. Please don't. I can't do
it. I

it. I

it. I
>> Russell,

>> Russell,

>> Russell,
>> it's not right. It's just not right.

>> it's not right. It's just not right.

>> it's not right. It's just not right.
>> Yes, it is. It's good. It's good. You're

>> Yes, it is. It's good. It's good. You're

>> Yes, it is. It's good. It's good. You're
good.

good.

good.
You're good, Russell.

What? I I I wasn't always like this,

What? I I I wasn't always like this,
right? Is that what you're saying?

right? Is that what you're saying?

right? Is that what you're saying?
I wasn't bad.

>> She always drank soda.

>> She always drank soda.
[snorts]

[snorts]

[snorts]
>> What's the next one?

>> What's the next one?

>> What's the next one?
Oh, I bet on the gray mare.

Oh, I bet on the gray mare.

Oh, I bet on the gray mare.
I bet on the bay.

I bet on the bay.

I bet on the bay.
If I'd bet on

If I'd bet on

If I'd bet on
stew ball,

stew ball,

stew ball,
I'd be freeman

I'd be freeman

I'd be freeman
today.

Well,

Well,
this is too much of a good thing.

>> No.

>> No.
Listen, thank you.

Listen, thank you.

Listen, thank you.
>> Thank you for everything. Okay.

>> Thank you for everything. Okay.

>> Thank you for everything. Okay.
>> Say it.

>> Say it.

>> Say it.
>> You don't need that, Dan.

>> You don't need that, Dan.

>> You don't need that, Dan.
You don't need me to say that I love

You don't need me to say that I love

You don't need me to say that I love
you. You're beyond that.

you. You're beyond that.

you. You're beyond that.
You're on the other side now. You know,

You're on the other side now. You know,

You're on the other side now. You know,
you didn't have to come down here. You

going to be fine,

going to be fine,
okay? You really are.

okay? You really are.

okay? You really are.
Now, just give me a kiss and push back,

Now, just give me a kiss and push back,

Now, just give me a kiss and push back,
will you?

Hey, you know wing gate. the the guard

Hey, you know wing gate. the the guard
out front,

out front,

out front,
one that's got a shine for Angie here.

one that's got a shine for Angie here.

one that's got a shine for Angie here.
He's he was asking me who I'm going to

He's he was asking me who I'm going to

He's he was asking me who I'm going to
call, you know, and he's writing down

call, you know, and he's writing down

call, you know, and he's writing down
numbers. So I says, "Nixon."

numbers. So I says, "Nixon."

numbers. So I says, "Nixon."
He says, "Nixon who?" So I says,

He says, "Nixon who?" So I says,

He says, "Nixon who?" So I says,
"Millhouse." He says, "Okay, Nixon

"Millhouse." He says, "Okay, Nixon

"Millhouse." He says, "Okay, Nixon
Milhouse." What's his number? [laughter]

Milhouse." What's his number? [laughter]

Milhouse." What's his number? [laughter]
>> Five minutes.

>> Well, here's some pie going up for grabs

>> Well, here's some pie going up for grabs
in a minute.

Russell, I'm going to leave you with the

Russell, I'm going to leave you with the
family.

Dan, you are our family, man. You know

Dan, you are our family, man. You know
that.

that.

that.
Well, you were there for me when this

Well, you were there for me when this

Well, you were there for me when this
country turned its back on me, and I

country turned its back on me, and I

country turned its back on me, and I
want to thank you for that.

want to thank you for that.

want to thank you for that.
>> I love you, man.

>> I want you to do one more thing for me

>> I want you to do one more thing for me
if you would. Uh,

if you would. Uh,

if you would. Uh,
I want to make a statement, and I'm not

I want to make a statement, and I'm not

I want to make a statement, and I'm not
going to be able to say anything in

going to be able to say anything in

going to be able to say anything in
there. I want to say that

there. I want to say that

there. I want to say that
you can kill the messenger,

you can kill the messenger,

you can kill the messenger,
but you can't kill the message of what

but you can't kill the message of what

but you can't kill the message of what
that war did to me and thousands like

that war did to me and thousands like

that war did to me and thousands like
me. Okay.

me. Okay.

me. Okay.
Want me to write it down?

Want me to write it down?

Want me to write it down?
>> I'll wrestle and get it out.

Hello.

Hello.
>> Pam.

>> Pam.

>> Pam.
>> Hi, Russell.

>> Hi, Russell.

>> Hi, Russell.
Hey, I told you I'd call. Didn't let you

Hey, I told you I'd call. Didn't let you

Hey, I told you I'd call. Didn't let you
down this time. Right.

down this time. Right.

down this time. Right.
>> Right.

>> Right.

>> Right.
Is the family still there?

Is the family still there?

Is the family still there?
>> No. Uh, just you and me.

Hey, I I got something I got to tell

Hey, I I got something I got to tell
Keith first.

Keith first.

Keith first.
>> You want me to get him?

>> You want me to get him?

>> You want me to get him?
>> No, I You can tell him for me. Uh

just tell him to be strong

just tell him to be strong
but not too strong.

but not too strong.

but not too strong.
>> Okay.

>> Are you

>> Are you
>> Oh, I'm all right considering

>> Oh, I'm all right considering

>> Oh, I'm all right considering
I you know I'm I'm not calling to say

I you know I'm I'm not calling to say

I you know I'm I'm not calling to say
goodbye cuz uh I'm not leaving.

goodbye cuz uh I'm not leaving.

goodbye cuz uh I'm not leaving.
They're going to kill the guy that they

They're going to kill the guy that they

They're going to kill the guy that they
got locked up here, but

got locked up here, but

got locked up here, but
they're not going to kill the guy that

they're not going to kill the guy that

they're not going to kill the guy that
you got locked up in your heart.

>> I'll take care of the one locked up in

>> I'll take care of the one locked up in
my heart.

>> And you know, there's nothing locked up

>> And you know, there's nothing locked up
about it. Because when I'm with you, I'm

about it. Because when I'm with you, I'm

about it. Because when I'm with you, I'm
as free as a

just just give me the last word here,

just just give me the last word here,
will you?

will you?

will you?
>> I love you, Stuall.

>> Keith,

>> Keith,
what's the matter? Honey,

>> down.

>> down.
He did his sights to the waters. Resto

Okay.

Okay.
You You can't kill the

You You can't kill the

You You can't kill the
You can't kill the message.