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[Benjaman] Well, home sweet home.

This is my new house.

First house I've had since --

[laughs] since I don't know when.

I like the paneling,

almost like a log cabin. I'm glad you're here.

I thought the next time I'd see you

would be at the pearly gates

if I made it up there. [laughs]

Do you know the old Irish toast?

When it's time, may you be dead and, in the gates of Heaven

a half hour before the devil finds you're gone.

[laughs]

[line connecting]

Chico, it's Eric and Shannon Evangelista.

-How are you? -[Shannon] Hi, Chico.

[Shannon] We wanted to know if you were

game to meet up with us in Lafayette.

[Chico sighs]

[Eric] Oh.

What do you mean by -- why wouldn't it be --

what do you mean?

[Eric] Why is she scared?

This....is my knives.

This is an old Chicago knife. The forged tang, full tang.

This is actually a cheap version of the meat cleaver.

[Eric] Do you think he's capable of doing that?

Uh, boning.

[Eric] Is there something you're not telling us that we should know?

[theme music plays]

[theme music ends]

My name is Jonathan Eager.

I'm a lieutenant with the West Lafayette Police Department.

Lafayette does have a lot

of cold cases happening late-'70s

into the -- the '80s.

I first got involved in the William Powell case

back in 2015 and just think that there's more to this story.

[Shannon] Oh, wow!

This is the entire Kozik file, right?

Yeah.

[Ken] We were starting to take a close look at all

the unsolved homicides in the Lafayette area.

One of them was Kristine Kozik.

There she is.

[suspenseful music plays]

Kristine Kozik was a Purdue student who was murdered

in May of 1977.

George Keck and William Powell were both janitors at Purdue.

Kristine Kozik went missing from Purdue.

She had gone out with some friends.

She went to a place called The Caboose.

She had some drinks.

The strangest part is her last words to her friend

was she said,

"Isn't it kind of strange that you say,

'See you tomorrow' when you know you're not going to?"

Is this the area where it happened?

[Det. Eager] This is going to be the area

because that's Wea Creek right there.

[Shannon] Kristine's body was found in Wea Creek,

a wooded area that was just two miles from the bar.

Oh, yeah, so that's George Keck.

George Keck was the prime suspect in the Kozik homicide.

He's also a sex offender.

He had had a lot of crimes against women.

According to his ex-wife,

Keck was extremely violent and abusive.

According to his wife's testimony to the police,

George had come home. He was covered in blood.

He had defensive wounds all up and down his arms,

scratch marks, bloody arms.

And this was the exact night that Kristine Kozik went

missing from Purdue.

[Shannon] George Keck was brought in for questioning.

He failed a lie detector test.

And he ends up completely getting off

because of spousal privilege,

his wife had made all those statements to the police,

but she refused to testify before the grand jury.

And because of that, George was let go.

So we learned today that Bill Powell and Chico

hung out with George Keck.

His ex-wife said that the three of them

used to work for [bleep].

Armed with this crazy information from his ex-wife,

we're gonna go back and talk to Keck again.

-[man] Hello. -Hi, I'm Eric.

-Is George around? -[man] Yeah.

-Just a second, buddy. -[Eric] OK.

Hey, man. You want to go in the car or?

[Eric] OK.

You know Bill Powell, right?

[Eric] Wrote down some questions I wanted to ask you.

Do you mind if I call my wife?

[phone line ringing]

Shannon, I'm in the car with George Keck.

This is my wife, Shannon.

[George] I know so.

[Eric] How do you know so?

[Eric] What about Powell? What [bleep] was he in?

[Eric] What about Chico? Was he in on that, too?

[Eric] So why did Powell and Chico leave?

Were they, like, involved in something?

[Eric] Well, why can't you say?

[Eric] Like, what did he know?

[Eric] Hmm -- that Powell killed?

[Shannon] Yeah.

[Eric] When was this?

They also found the body, unidentified,

in Murdock Park.

[Eric] Is it somebody who's dangerous?

Who is it that everybody's scared of?

Can you at least tell me that?

Is it Powell?

[Eric] I'm not afraid of Powell.

I should be?

[Shannon] George Keck, a suspect in a homicide,

said that I had to be concerned for my own safety

around William Powell, Benjaman Kyle.

[ominous music plays]

[Ken] I'm gonna reach out to the crime boss's former relative again.

She's the only person besides Chico and Keck who can tell us

why Powell fled Lafayette in 1976.

[phone line ringing]

-Hello? -Hey, it's Ken, how you doing?

Hey, so, Ken, I have to tell you something.

[former relative cries]

[former relative speaking]

[Shannon] George Keck was a prime suspect in the murder

of Kristine Kozik.

But right now, George Keck is the only reliable source

of information about Benjaman, or William Powell.

I had to earn the trust of George Keck in order to get

to a place where he would be honest with me

about the illegal stuff he did with Benjaman.

We're gonna go talk to Keck. And if he murders me,

I'm going to be at the morgue

with a shirt that has coffee stains all over it.

And I'm gonna be standing over you and say, "I told you so.

I should have gone up there to the door with you."

[Shannon] The last time we talked to Keck,

when I dialed in on the phone,

Keck really opened up to me.

[Shannon] Because of my background as a criminal defense attorney,

I really learned how to make people feel comfortable

talking to me about anything.

Yeah? All right.

-[car door slams shut] -[beep]

[Shannon] I'm [bleep] nervous.

This is fun.

Just knocking on the door of the prime suspect

in the Kristine Kozik murder.

-[footsteps thud] -[stairs creak]

-[knocking noises] -George?

[Shannon] Hi.

-[dog barking] -I didn't have your number.

I wanted to...

I wanted to chat with you.

I found out some new stuff about Powell.

Remember me?

We talked on the phone. Eric's my husband.

Eric, remember?

OK, and you remember Bill Powell?

You had said that he left

because he did something illegal,

and you gotta tell me what it was.

You know. You were friends with him.

You gotta help me out, George.

-You gotta. -Well.

Uh...

[Shannon] What did Bill Powell tell you?

You're his friend. You guys are going around.

You're doing burglaries together.

You're doing stuff --

you can't get in trouble for that anymore.

Statute of limitations is gone.

[Shannon] Who was after him?

So fast-forward to the night that Bill and Chico

just take off.

What, why?

But, listen, if that was all,

OK, then Bill wouldn't be scared to talk now.

'Cause statute of limitations has run on

everything but murder.

And this guy has, like, changed his name, and he's gone

to a lot of trouble.

[Shannon] So tell me why.

There has to be more. There has to be a murder here.

I've also been poking around.

There's some things that I've heard through the rumor mill.

This is, like, a super uncomfortable question,

but I have to ask you.

Um...

You know that Bill was a janitor at Purdue, OK?

You know he was back in town, like, almost immediately

after he left in '76. He came back here.

Um...

Kristine Kozik, that homicide,

her car was found right by his house.

Did he have something to do with that?

[coughs]

They did?

[Shannon] What did you know?

[Shannon] OK.

OK.

Was it Bill?

OK, go ahead.

OK.

[Shannon] Oh, my God.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

[Shannon] Oh.

And died by accident.

Come on, you got to tell me who it is.

Because he'll kill you?

Well, then tell me his name.

Let me just say this.

[Shannon] Bob?

Last name?

[George scoffs]

[Shannon clicks her tongue] [bleep]

No.

When he reached out and grabbed me on my shoulder,

I just found myself barely able to breathe.

I had no idea what was going to happen.

I want to know -- I want to know who this Chicago family is.

All right, listen. Hold on one second.

I gotta -- my dad's in the car.

I just want to tell him everything's OK.

I'll be right back, OK? Don't leave.

[Shannon] All right.

Going to see George Keck was terrifying.

So I did not sit next to him.

I said, "No, I won't sit next to you, I'm OK."

This is my dad.

[Shannon laughs]

[Shannon] He knows a little bit about Bill.

I was telling him, like, the stuff that I had found out.

Do you know what Powell really did at [bleep]?

[Shannon] What'd they call Powell?

Yep.

[George laughs]

[Shannon] That's right.

[Ken] Well, did he ever hurt anybody?

[Ken] OK.

[Shannon] Was Powell going to Chicago a lot?

[Shannon] What for?

[Shannon stammers]

George Keck informed us that Powell had some kind

of hit list that he kept with him,

and that Powell was involved in shooting someone,

and that was one of the primary reasons why he left Lafayette.

[Shannon] Definitely gonna have a nightmare tonight.

George Keck, he actually confessed

intimate details of a murder he had

firsthand knowledge of, Kristine Kozik.

I have done so much to find out and solve the mystery

of Benjaman Kyle.

[dark music plays]

But basically, when Keck gets arrested as a suspect

in the murder for Kristine Kozik,

he'll know we basically sold him out to the police.

So in one single moment...

I lose the only reliable source of information about Benjaman.

But you know what? She lost her life.

There's no turning back.

[dramatic chord strike]

[Shannon] I know it's go time now with George Keck.

Now we're going to take what we found out

and we're gonna share it with Lieutenant Eager.

We went to see George Keck because it was my intention

to get more information about Benjaman and Chico

and why they left that night.

And in the course of talking to him,

I ended up asking him about Kozik,

what happened to her. -[Det. Eager] Mm-hmm.

And I don't know if it's because I just wanted to see him squirm.

I don't know, but I just asked the question,

"Did Bill have something to do with that?"

And at first, he kind of was like, "Oh, I don't know,

I don't know, I don't know." And then he just launches into

this story about how his friend did it.

And I'll let you watch the footage.

-Can you hit play? -[Shannon] Mm-hmm.

Kristine Kozik, that homicide.

[Shannon] OK.

[sighs]

So if I'm gonna relay a story to you and confess to you,

I just find it hard to believe after 40-some years

that you're going to remember that you bought a bottle

of sloe gin to go.

Guys don't talk like that.

Guys don't share details like that.

Oh, it gets better. Yep.

[Shannon, in recording] Mm-hmm.

[Shannon, in recording] Mm-hmm.

Then he got out and walked around the front of the car

to where she was standing on the other side of the car,

right at the front end of the car.

So, he says he went around to her side of the car,

and he does with his left hand.

What does that mean when he motions with his left hand?

She was standing on the other side of the car.

Cognitive recall, I mean, you're picturing what happened

when he's playing that back in his mind...

-He must be... -[Det. Eager] ...it's a clue.

He's, like, seeing it in his head, and that's why --

I mean, that would be my interpretation, that he --

that -- that -- that that is -- he's recalling a memory.

I mean, that's very interesting.

-[hand smacks] -Bam.

I was trying to goad him,

and I was like, "Oh, that's a bold move."

It felt like he was almost, like,

enjoying the idea of hitting a woman.

He says at least three times

during the course of the interview,

"I wasn't there,

but I, [stammers], wasn't there."

But then he just said, "I didn't see a rock there."

Those two statements don't go together.

"I didn't see a rock."

That's saying, "I'm standing right where it happened,

and I didn't see a rock."

I can't think of another way to look at that.

When you keep people talking, sometimes they slip-up,

and I think that the "I didn't see a rock there,"

was a slipup.

[Shannon] It just feels like he was there.

He goes like this -- [hand smacks],

with his right fist into his left hand.

[Ken] It's almost like he's reliving that...

[hand smacks]

-[Det. Eager] Yeah. -...you know, and that pop there.

[hand smacks]

That shows me that Keck's right-handed.

[Shannon] What about the missing tooth?

-[Det. Eager] Yeah, that's interesting with the -- -On the left side.

So if he was right-handed,

and he hit her straight on in her left tooth.

And that's non-public.

Is that something that circumstantially

has significance...

-Oh, absolutely. -...you know?

[Shannon] Did he, like, ask you for help, like,

say, "Help me get rid of all this stuff"?

He raised the word "ring" right out of the... -[Det. Eager] Ring.

The ring -- it was unsolicited.

[Shannon] The public doesn't know this, but her ring was taken.

Her ring was missing.

What does that mean to you?

Doesn't pass the smell test.

I mean, this is somebody that was suspected when it happened.

-And -- -[Det. Eager] And now you got all this specific information.

[Shannon] Right.

[Det. Eager] What you captured here is very telling.

There's no doubt that he has intimate knowledge

of that crime, no doubt.

Hot Snakes Media has done a tremendous amount of legwork

to put together a compelling case.

I mean, there's things that they're uncovering

that I didn't know about, even from reading case files.

I think that you've renewed interest in the case.

I think it definitely needs to be explored more.

What do you think is next for us?

Like, any suggestions, or...?

[Det. Eager] I mean, at some point, I want to talk to him.

The case is still open, so, um...

if you have a DNA sample and you do get a match,

it can be very compelling evidence.

[heavy music plays]

[Shannon] We need to tell you something.

The man that we think killed your daughter,

I promise that we're gonna try our hardest to catch him, OK?

Yeah.

I just want you to know that your daughter,

She went down fighting.

[dramatic chord strike]

[Shannon] Lieutenant Eager asked us to go get Keck's DNA.

And the minute that happens,

he's never gonna talk to us again

'cause he's gonna know that we're the reason

he got arrested.

[knocking noises]

So if we don't get him to tell us exactly what Benjaman

and Chico did and why they fled,

we'll never, ever, ever learn.

Like, this is our last chance.

[Eric] Hey, George. How you been?

-Good. -[Eric] What's up, man?

[George] Same old, different day.

[Eric] You want to go get something to eat?

[George] That'll work.

Trying to figure out how we're gonna get Keck's DNA.

It's going to be very difficult.

I have one day to get his DNA

and find out everything I need to know about the hit

that Benjaman was allegedly involved in.

Hey, George. How's it going?

Yeah?

We took Keck to a Mongolian barbecue

because basically how it works is

you go up for seconds.

Here you go, George.

It helps us then get in

and DNA test his utensils and straw.

[Ken] Do you remember the Kozik case that we talked about?

But I come up with this Linda Ferry case.

This lady was found up in National Homes

in the trunk of a car.

[Shannon] She had been a janitor at Purdue.

And so I heard that Bill knew her.

[indistinct background chatter]

-[Shannon] You were a janitor at Purdue. -[Ken] Did you --

did you know her? Did you remember her?

Hey, I want to ask, this guy that he shot, you know,

that Bill shot, like, when he had to get out of town,

who was that?

[Shannon] Yeah, who'd he shoot?

I mean, you got to help me out.

I know you remember a first name, a last name.

Like, a circumstance.

Like, you gotta give me more on that.

I know you know more than you're telling me, dude.

-[Ken] Yeah, you do. -Yeah, you do.

I can see it in your eyes.

[Ken] And when you were smiling and laughing again,

you remember, George.

You have a pretty good memory.

[Eric] I'm gonna get some more to eat. George, let's get more to eat.

[Ken] Pretty good stuff, huh?

[Shannon] I'll watch our stuff, and then we'll take turns.

-Then I'll go. -[Ken] Go ahead.

I'll catch up to you.

OK.

[silverware clanks]

[sinister music plays]

[indistinct chatter]

[music continues]

[Ken] You come to a point in your age,

I think you'd agree with me,

you gotta stop playing games and just tell

the truth, right?

And that's what it's all about,

'cause you meet the maker, he's gonna be judging us.

I think George remembers everything.

[Ken] Really?

-[server] It's just what I have to do to [indistinct]. -[Shannon] All right.

Very strange.

[Ken] At least we can say we did something exciting today.

[Ken] Hey, I got thrown out of better places.

[laughing]

[Shannon] We got to get out of here.

Because we were talking about these crazy homicides,

the people next to us ended up calling the police.

[Ken] We're going to go to Panera.

[Ken] You know, let's get back to Bill Powell and Chico, right?

That's our mission, to solve the mystery

of Bill Powell and Chico.

And we've talked to both of them,

and they both lied to us, you know?

All he does is just --

[George laughing]

[Shannon] So, when Bill went missing,

there was a missing persons report.

His brother came and cleared his trailer out.

One of the things he took was this microwave oven

and a cookbook.

[Bleep] really wanted this microwave oven cookbook back

so bad that he had someone break into Bill's brother's house

to get it back.

Based on what you know doing jobs for [bleep] and with Bill,

what was in the microwave cookbook?

[Shannon] A hit list?

[Shannon] Let me ask you something.

Like when they left?

-[Shannon] Come on. -[Ken] Come on, we've made a lot of progress.

You admitted to us about --

that Bill shot this guy that night.

Why did he get shot?

Did he shoot that guy?

[Ken] You sure of that?

[Ken] OK.

It's good coffee, huh?

[ominous music plays]

[paper bag rustling]

We got the evidence. I have the DNA.

I have the straw. I have the cup.

I have it all, and we're headed over.

-[Shannon] Hey. -[Det. Eager] Hey.

-This is George Keck. -All right.

[Shannon] It actually was a lot easier than I thought.

[Det. Eager] All these things in here need to be swabbed.

But then he talked about taking a sample from her

because she collected it bare-handed.

All right, so I'm going to stick it in your mouth

and swirl it around several times, OK? -OK.

♪♪

-[officer] That's it. -[Shannon] Great.

It would be awesome

if there's some sort of hit here

with George Keck's DNA. -What you all have

gathered definitely warrants further investigation,

that's for sure.

You guys have done an outstanding job.

-Thank you. -We'll see you.

[car horn honks]

[phone line ringing]

[Shannon] Hey, Ken.

[Ken] Yeah.

[Ken] OK, so first of all, thank you for your cooperation

and agreeing to be interviewed.

So here's what we're gonna do, all right?

Just to the best of your knowledge,

give us your accounts

with the main subject of our film,

William Powell, The Bouncer.

[relative] That's a real tough topic.

[Ken] When we first spoke, you know, when I called you,

you were very, very shook up.

You guys don't know how scary it is for me because I had

started this whole new life, you know, moved halfway across

the country to get away from the family.

[Ken speaking]

[relative] I had had my life threatened before.

Often would say that he could make a phone call

and make someone disappear.

He would even go into detail and say,

"And don't worry,

we make it look like it was an accident."

One day, he told me

about a situation that had occurred in the mid-'70s,

was discovered in her automobile,

and she had her hands and her feet tied.

She had been robbed.

He hired a gentleman that was a bouncer,

by the name of William Powell,

and paid him to go take care of the situation.

Powell was his right-hand man and did all his dirty deeds.

[Ken] And what did you take that to mean?

[relative] Criminal activity.

[Ken] There was a cookbook mentioned.

[relative] The cookbook had details in it,

basically what he called

the game plan for William Powell so he could carry out

what he was gonna do to the person

-Powell shot this individual... -[gun shot blasts]

...and then he relocated immediately.

He basically disappeared.

[bleep] said to me, "Oh, they won't find him.

He'll never be found," referring to William Powell --

taking care of Powell.

I saw the transfer of the envelope sending payment

to Powell for several, you know, decades.

Mr. [bleep] died in 2004,

and the kids refused to pay Powell any more money.

That was something between their father and him.

But he had to come back into society a safe way.

And I think he claimed amnesia

because he didn't want the mafia coming after him.

If they thought, "Hey,

you know, this guy can't remember anything..."

You don't know who I am.

And quite frankly, neither do I.

...then he would be safe coming back into society.

[Ken] So, a lot to unwrap there.

If I accept everything she said

about the cookbook as being true,

suddenly that missing persons report

isn't so weird anymore.

Right.

So, William Powell, Benjaman Kyle, he hurt

some individual in retaliation.

The [bleep] family funded his time while he was away.

They pretty much bankrolled him from 1976 until 2004.

He resurfaced shortly thereafter because Mr. [bleep]

had passed away and the kids most likely did not want

to continue to pay him money.

It's always been about Powell.

-Right, suddenly it all makes sense. -[Ken] Exactly.

It was a mystery that needed to be solved.

-And here she gives us a possible solution. -Yeah.

[Ken] Now we understand most of the unanswered questions.

[Shannon] We finally solved Benjaman's true identity.

So Eric and I decided it was time to take a vacation.

[birds cawing]

[phone line ringing]

I need you to listen to the call so you can hear

exactly what was said and how it was said.

[Ken] Who's -- who's --?

My nanny is not on Facebook.

[Ken] Yeah.

[Shannon] My social media is so private.

She's talking to William Powell.

That is the only way she would know

that I have a nanny and twins.

And the fact that that [bleep] brought up the fact that I had

nanny and twins to you in your car.

[Benjaman] Eric and Shannon, they got twins.

Maybe they got a nanny.

[Shannon] And now, she's saying it,

tells me this is coming from him.

My [bleep] life just blew up.

[sniffs]

[Donald] The detective who's coming over,

she's got all the connections in the schools,

'cause they'll go over to the schools,

talk to the school, too,

alert them of the situation.

The problem here is, like,

we've been told by three independent sources

he's a hitman for this family.

[Donald] Yeah, he disappeared. He wanted to disappear.

-And he worked for them. So they are pulled into it. -[Donald] Right.

[Shannon] It's like, I just solved the mystery of where

this guy has been and why he's lying.

I don't need to pull this criminal organization into this

because it just puts me in danger for no reason.

Well, I mean, listen, the more people that tell me

this guy's a hitman, the scarier it is, but I can't,

like, I can't quit now.

Life before Benjaman Kyle was very different.

I never had it in the back of my head

that someone was gonna try to hurt me.

Now it's there all the time.

He thinks I've given up.

I am not giving up.

I know too much.

We have to confront him.

We're doing a drive-by

at Benjaman's house, William Powell.

[Ken] His bike is gone.

[knocking noises]

Hey, Bill. Bill, you home?

[ominous music plays]

Listen, I'm not gonna be one more

of Benjaman Kyle's victims, like, period.

He's just wasting our time.

We know he was involved in something shady.

We find out he's William Powell and then we find out

William Powell's been missing since, like, 1978.

Like, stopped being himself until he surfaced in 2004.

Like, don't you want to know where he was?

I still think we can find out the truth.

I want to know what really happened.

This is a guy that's lied.

He's taken advantage of a lot of people.

He's going to keep doing that. He did what he did to Slater.

He did what he did to Colleen Fitzpatrick.

He did what he did to Josh Schrutt.

[Eric] He's an old scumbag who's playing a game of cat-and-mouse.

He wants to be caught, and we're going to catch him.

It's like a game for this guy. He gets off on it.

I mean, if we stop, then he wins.

He gets away with it.

We become another [bleep] victim.

I'm not a victim.

I don't want to just walk away.

I don't care.

We can't give up.

I don't care what it takes. I'm gonna find them.