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The first hour
of "Crisis On Infinite Earths"
is in the books

and there is a lot
to talk about,

from killer crossovers
to unexpected partnerships

to the death of Green Arrow

to the birth
of a new Green Arrow, man.

The highs, the lows,
and everything in between,

all that and more right now
on "Crisis Aftermath."

( music playing )

Welcome to "Crisis Aftermath."

I'm your host Kevin Smith.

Boy, oh, boy, man.

We knew that this year's
crossover event

was gonna be something special,

but this is beyond bonkers, man.

Here to help me
figure it all out

are executive producer
Marc Guggenheim,

writer, comedian,
and DC nerd Dani Fernandez,

and "Arrow" star Kat McNamara.

Thanks so much
for joining us, everybody.

I just wanna ask
right off the bat,

and you don't count
'cause you wrote this.

What were your
favorite moments so far?

Oh, goodness,
there are so many.

I mean, mine was when Mia
got her-- her suit.

I mean, it was so precious.
It was such a precious moment.

- I said--
- You're not just saying it

- 'cause she's sitting there.
It was a legit good moment.
- No, no.

I say it because I talk
a lot about father/daughter
moments in therapy.

And so I said it like,
you know,

this is a safe place
in front of millions of people.

- So I don't mind
openly weeping.
- For sure.

I mean, that was one
of my favorite moments
to shoot, definitely.

Just because Stephen
and I have spent most
of the season together.

- Right.
- And getting to watch him work

and being a part of the story,
this being my first crossover,

that was such a big moment,
I think, for both characters,

- and we really felt that.
- Do you watch him?

How does one play
the daughter of somebody

who's been playing a guy
for, like, many seasons?

Do you actually go back,
watch episodes,

and be like,
"I can steal that.
I can steal that."

That's exactly what I did.
When I first auditioned,

I didn't know that I was
auditioning for his daughter.

And once I found that out,
I went back and watched
the entire series

because not only is
he such an iconic character,

- but Felicity Smoak
is another iconic character.
- Totally.

And Mia is sort of the perfect
amalgamation of them both.

And I tried to steal
as many little nuances

and character quirks as I could

to really make her
her own person.

You nailed it.
Let me ask you this, Marc.

You are the architect
of all this madness,

so you definitely
have a favorite moment.

I would say in Hour One

when Lois and Kal-El
place baby Jonathan
in the rocket ship.

And I remember,
we were in the writers' room--

we assemble a writers' room
for the crossover,

and we were
in the writers' room,

and I forget who pitched it.
It wasn't me.

I wish I could
take credit for it,
but I love it.

I love it for two reasons.

Number one, it's homaging,
obviously, Alexander Luthor

being launched, you know,
in a rocket ship.

Baby Alexander Luthor being
launched in a rocket ship

- in the first Crisis.
- From "Crisis." From the book.

But also,

Kal-El and Lois are speaking
Marlon Brando's dialogue

from "Superman: The Movie."

How fun was that?
To be able to--

and was that the marching orders
in the writers' room?

Like, homage or as
other people say "steal,"

- Yes.
- as much from other
sources as possible.

You know, it's funny.
What was so great was

no one ever had to be told it.

We all just instinctively
were like,

"Okay, we're gonna steal this
and we're gonna steal this.

And we're gonna homage that

and we're gonna tip
our hats to this."

And it was just something
we all--

we've been doing it, honestly,
ever since year one of "Arrow."

- Yeah.
- It's always been part of
the DNA of all these shows.

But, yeah, I mean,
because this is Crisis
and because it's the--

you know,
one of the biggest
DC events ever,

we felt an obligation
to really like go for it.

All Arrowverse shows
have always been about
incredible fan service,

but this especially feels like,
"They're gonna love this."

So we're all still reeling
from an incredible hour
of television.

But that hour was months
and years,

and actually decades
in the making, man.

Check it out.

- Man: Cut.
So a day in the life

of shooting this crossover
is absolutely staggering.

In terms of the amount
of cast that's coming in

and people from other shows,

there's so much logistically
that goes into it,

and everybody
just has to be on it.

This Crisis is such a big deal.

So many actors, so many lines,
so many characters,

so many moving pieces.

You get picked up
so early in the morning

and you have to go through
hair and makeup,

and then we start acting.
And then, you know,

halfway through a day, you get
driven to a different show.

- Action!
Everyone works
very differently.

Every production
has its own kind of culture

and way of working.

And when you work with actors
from a different production,

you get to see ways, you know,
that they may do things better

or that we may
do things better.

And so it's a great
learning experience.

Cut! Awesome.

Come on, man.

Like, just seeing
that many people walking
around in costume--

when I was a kid,
you dreamed about that.

Like, we had Batman
and Robin growing up

with the great Burt Ward
and Adam West.

And when you saw those two
in their outfits,
it made you excited.

You dreamed about it.

I remember there was
a "TV Guide" cover from 1989

- when the John Wesley Shipp
"Flash" was on...
- Yeah.

...that showed a picture
of him in the outfit

next to a picture
of Michael Keaton

in the Batman outfit
from movies

next to Christopher Reeve
wearing the Superman suit.

And you dreamed, like,
will there ever be a day

where you can see
something like this?

And we're literally seeing it
here unfold in front of us.

It's insanity.
I mean, the ten-year-old me
still can't believe it.

I mean, the fact that anyone
has done this, much less us--

the fact
that anyone's done this
is so exciting to me.

It scratches every itch
as a fanboy I have.

And that's the thing, like,
you were talking about, like,
you know, the fan service.

The reason these shows
are so fan service oriented
is we're fans.

We approach it as fans.

So even, yes, of course,

in the writers' room
we're talking about, like,

"Oh, this is gonna make them
stand up and applaud."

But before we get there,

we're standing up
and applauding ourselves.

- Right.
- "Oh, my God, this is
gonna be so awesome."

You must be
sitting there going,

- "Oh, we're so clever!"
- ( all laugh )

I did have a question, though,

because Burt Ward
and Robert Wuhl are in this.

Does that mean
that their movies

- and shows are canonically
a part of this universe?
- Yeah.

That's the whole point.

Like, and they're now
canonically destroyed.

- But--
- Yeah.

We had 'em for a second,
and then gone.

So the Bat nipples existed
in this universe.

- Yes.
- Yes.

The Bat nipples
are Arrowverse canon.

And it was CW.
We always knew nipples
were involved somewhere.

So, absolutely, man.

Let's talk about the elephant
in the room, though.

- The death of Arrow.
- Yes.

Let's take a look.

- Oliver.

It's okay, Sara.

This is my destiny.

- Oliver.
- Barry?

You, my friend,

are the very best of us.

I gave it all up

for you and Kara.

Mm.

- Whew!
- What was going through
your head, man,

when you're sitting there
watching that scene,

when you're watching
history happen?

Indeed, that was a historic
moment in many ways

for me, personally.
It was my first day on set

with everyone in the suits.

It was my first day
wearing my suit on set.

So I was so excited.

We were just talking
about how, you know,

much we all are fans of this
and how exciting that is.

So I was over the moon excited.

Then I get to set
and I realize,

"Oh, now I have to cry
over my dying father."

Okay, let me reframe
my entire headspace.

- But it was--
- It's weird, 'cause
it's not an outfit

that's conducive to crying
over a dead father.

- No.
- Because it makes you
feel action orientated

- and wanna play.
- Right, you're ready to go.

And all of a sudden, they're
like, "Cry. Be dramatic."

Exactly.
Also I have the--

you know,
the Stephen Amell special boots

that are actually
Nike sneakers in--

- sneakers inside the--
- Inside of the boot.

- the superhero boots.
- That's the trick.

- So you feel like
bouncing around anyway.
- Right, right.

But it was so wonderful,
and Stephen killed it.

And everybody really
came together,

because, you know, Stephen
in a sense was the beginning

of this entire universe.

He's the spine.
If you were gonna
make an analogy

- to another cinematic universe
or something like that...
- Yes.

he's the Robert Downey, Jr.
of this universe.

- Exactly. Exactly.
- Very strong spine upon which
all those other shows sprang.

Right, and what's so great

about that is everybody really
came together to honor him

and the work he's done
to build everything else
in that moment.

And Stephen absolutely
killed it,

so we were all a mess.

Marc, you've been there
with "Arrow" since day one.

It's unfair to say
did you always know
you were gonna kill him?

But was there always an idea
that when he goes, he goes?

Yeah, I think, you know--
it's funny.

Stephen Amell and I
have talked about this

numerous times over the years.

And we were always
of the same opinion,

which is Oliver's journey
has to end with his death.

So, it was always-- that was
always where we were headed.

I think, you know,
the type of guy Oliver was

before he marooned on Lian Yu,
like, he was a jerk.

And I've always sort of seen
"Arrow" as a redemption story.

And, you know, this is--

he makes the ultimate sacrifice
for the ultimate redemption.

The challenge
that we sort of had

as we were figuring out
the crossover was,

basically a year ago
with Elseworlds,

we basically
said to the audience,
"Oliver's gonna die."

- Yeah.
- So you may not be
surprised he's dying,

but you're certainly surprised
he's dying this fast.

Yeah, you're like,
"What? Now?" Heavens.

- End of Hour One?
- Yeah.

You're crazy!

- There's four more hours to go.
- That handoff to Mia

was a really special moment,

where you get
presented the suit.

And that's everything
in this world, man.

The hero passing on the mantle

to somebody else,
or giving them

their true identity?
That's everything.

Let's take a look
at that scene right now.

You wanted to see me?

I did.

I have something for you.

What is it?

Only one way to find out.

( music playing )

Okay, please tell me
you were planning
on wearing this.

I don't think that
that one would fit me.

There should always be
at least one Green Arrow.

Come on, man!

You don't even have to
have a daughter

in real life to find that
incredibly moving.

These shows have always
been about family.

Either the family you come from
or the family that you make.

What do you think, man?

Does Mia want this
responsibility?

You know, that's been
the toughest kind of struggle

for Mia throughout
her entire process
of being involved in this.

You know, she was raised
in a world

- in which vigilantes
were villainized.
- Mm.

And she's come
full circle with that,
having met her father

and kind of gotten a look
into the difficult choices
he's had to make.

But now she's been through

and worked through
all of these issues

and has a wonderful relationship
with her father.

She doesn't want
the responsibility

because she doesn't want
to lose him.

- Right.
- She knows she can take it on.

She knows she's ready for it.

But she's finally filled

the one missing piece
of her life

and doesn't want to lose that.

And that's kind of
the tragedy is that,

yes, there always
needs to be one Green Arrow,

but there's only
one Green Arrow.

So she knows that that's
coming to an end, and that's--

it's difficult, you know?
But also it's--

Stephen has been so instrumental
in passing the torch

both on and off-screen
in a sense,

and so that scene meant
so much to both of us.

I think we were both a little
emotional in that moment.

Did you have to learn
how to shoot fake arrows?

I did. I did.
I mean, I-- you know,

I did archery in Girl Scout camp
when I was a kid, but--

Don't brag, man.

- I'm saying,
like, a day or two.
- Fair enough.

It's nothing like this.
But we have an amazing

archery coach on the show
who's a master archer,

and she's the one
who trained Stephen.

So as soon as I was
on the show they said,

"All right, you have to
learn this, too,

'cause eventually
you're gonna get there."

So, I went and trained with her

and she is the ultimate badass.

I tell you,
she taught me everything
I needed to know.

And there are
a few scenes, though,

where Oliver and Mia
do a little bit of training,

and that's actually coming up
very shortly.

- We get to see that.
- You do get to see that.

It's such a wonderful moment

that really bonds
the two of them.

Because Mia initially
was trained by Nyssa al Ghul,

who also kind of
trained Oliver in a way,

and it's a full circle.

I remember
the end of season two,

Katrina Law,
we're in the big tunnel fight.

Nyssa al Ghul was firing
arrows like this.

And I'm like,
"Katrina, you're killing me.

Seriously,
every time you do that

you're spending
thousands of dollars.

Just a little slower.

Just a little bit.
Help me out."

- You know.
- Well, that's funny,

because when
I was on "Supergirl,"
it was very different.

They said, "Oh, just fire
a couple shots here
and a couple shots here."

I'm used to being on "Arrow,"
I said, "Okay, well how many?

'Cause I know there's--"

And they go,
"Oh, it doesn't matter.
Just as many as you can."

They're like,
"This is Krypton, kid.

- We got all the money."
- All right, I'll just
fire off all the arrows.

I want to thank Kat
for joining us.

You did a great job on the show,
did a great job on the panel.

- Thank you.
- Thank you so much, man.

When we come back,
we're gonna meet The Monitor

and map out the Multiverse.

All that and more
on "Crisis Aftermath."

Don't quiver "Arrow" fans.
We'll be write back.

Welcome back
to "Crisis Aftermath."

I'm Kevin Smith.
As we've mentioned,

"Crisis On Infinite Earths"
is one of the biggest

events in TV history.

But just in case you still
don't grasp the scale and scope,

here's what the show's stars
have to say about it.

- Check it out.
- Action.

It's huge.

We've never seen anything
like this on television.

- Yeah, it's big.
- It's insane.

Unfeasable, unthinkable,
absurd, outlandish!

( screaming )

I never thought
in a million years

that they would be able to do
a "Crisis On Infinite Earths."

Take cover!

I don't know if you can actually
technically get bigger than

"Crisis On Infinite Earths."

I can handle it.

Every hero imaginable is here.

It's massive.

We are making
television history.

This is never
gonna happen again.

Mm. Lots of things
are never gonna happen again.

Joining us now is
the man responsible

for the biggest Crisis ever.

The Monitor himself,
LaMonica Garrett, man.

- How are you?
- I'm good, man.

- Thanks for having me.
- Thank you for being here.

The Monitor is arguably one

of the most important characters
in the DC universe, okay?

How do you handle

the pressure of playing
a part that big?

As a DC fan, it's easy to
get caught up in the magnitude

of who he is
and what his presence means.

But as the actor,
I got to focus on his objective

and just going after what
he needs and what he wants.

And how is that--
like, as an actor?

Normally you play
the objective in a normal world.

- This guy's objective
is cosmic.
- It's more than global.

It's cosmic. It's universes.

It's the biggest thing
I've ever tackled,

but it's been awesome.

What was it like strapping
on the costume?

It was constricting.

Yeah, constricting and, uh--

yeah, it-- aesthetics first.

- Yeah, welcome--
- As long as it looked--

as long as it looked the part,
it was good.

Welcome to the superhero game,

where your movement
is very limited.

- What movement?
- Yes.

As The Monitor, man,
you're pretty much constantly
pissing people off.

Let's take another look
at a pivotal moment with you.

Check it out.

I spared your friends' lives

so they could save
their world last year.

This is a very
different threat.

You need to stop
playing games with me.

You tell me
why the Anti-Monitor
is doing this.

And then tell me
how I'm gonna prevent it.

Not knowing
what you are fighting

means you'll prepare
for every possibility.

Because this threat
brings with it

the annihilation of all life
in all realities.

Do you now comprehend the scope

of the danger we all now face?

( music playing )

Something so interesting
about The Monitor

is you never know how much
you can trust him, man.

Like, how do you approach
playing that?

I think the writers
take more credit that--

you know, than me,

but they write it well.
They write him well.

But I think anyone
that shows up

delivering that much bad news
with a straight face,

you're not going to
trust them too much.

Let me ask you this.
When you got cast

did you go out and get
the "Crisis" issues?

Like, 'cause Monitor's

on a lot of the covers
and whatnot.

- Yeah.
- Were you like, "It's me!"

I didn't know I got cast
as The Monitor at first.

- Really?
- Yeah, Marc had to tell me
after the fact.

But I didn't
who I was reading for.

- Not after you shot
the crossover.
- No, no, no.

"Guess what?
You were The Monitor."

But I got "Crisis"--

I was familiar with it
as a fan.

And when I knew I was
The Monitor, I went back,
got it, reread it.

And then when I was--
found out I was playing
the Anti-Monitor,

I went back and reread it again
with a fresh set of eyes.

- So, yeah.
- Very, very cool, man.

With all the suiting up
that was going on on set,

was there any sort of like,
"Hey, no pictures.
No pictures"?

We're always saying,
"No pictures. No pictures."

And if anyone's
been on Twitter,

- you know how
successful we were.
- Yeah.

- All pictures, all pictures!
- All pictures all the time.

Is there anything
you could tell us about
The Monitor's backstory

that maybe we didn't get
from the show?

Actually, you know,
one of the fun things
that we're doing--

This is a spoiler.

This is something
we haven't told anybody,

is we're gonna open Hour Four,

which is the "Arrow" hour,
which is come--

it's not even on until January.

Yeah, 2020 we gotta wait
for that.

We open with basically
the mother of all flashbacks.

And we basically do
the secret origin
of The Monitor

- and the Anti-Monitor. Yeah.
- Really?

And actually
that whole sequence,

the first draft of it
was actually written
by Marv Wolfman.

- Get out of here. Really?
- Yeah. Yeah.

Has he been working
on the shows

or did you just
pull him in for Crisis?

We pulled him in
for the "Arrow" hour.

He and I co-wrote
the "Arrow" hour.

So it-- like,
for all of us who are like,

"Oh, my God, I can't believe
they're doing Crisis."

His mind must be bent.

He is-- he's just been so
fantastic and so enthusiastic.

And, you know, he came in
and met with all the writers

across all the superhero shows

and just sort of held court
for two hours

just telling us all
about the history of "Crisis,"

the history of DC comics,
you name it.

It was like getting
a master class in superheroes

from, obviously,
one of the masters.

Dani, when did "Crisis"
come into your life?

As a DC fan,
it didn't come in

to my collecting until
a few years into my collecting

when somebody was like,
"Hey, you know they got
to one universe?"

Then I went back and read it.
When did you fall in?

It wasn't until I was an adult.

And even then, I think I had--

like, I didn't fully grasp
the magnitude of it.

I'm very fascinated
to hear about his origin.

I think it would be funny
if they just wrote in,

like, the teenage years
of The Monitor.

Even though
I know that's not--

but that would be hilarious.
I think, just, you know--

The kids in high school
did give him a lot of crap

for his mutton chops
as I recall.

- Yeah.
- But oddly enough,
not the outfit.

The outfit they were fine with.

The outfit was totally--
it's funny.

Actually, we give you--
in that origin story,

we give you an explanation
for the outfit.

- Really?
- Yeah. Yeah.

What themes were
you focused on in Crisis?

What did you want to bring out
the most in the storytelling?

Sacrifice and redemption.

I mean, and pretty much--

- Jeez, I wonder
who that smells like.
- I know where--

- where did that come from?
- Yeah.

But, like, you know,
every character is sort of
dealing with that.

And I think one of the other
sort of subthemes

is the concept
of passing the torch.

- Mm-hmm.
- And it's not just
the passing of the torch

from Oliver to Mia.

It's, you know--
you'll sort of see.

I don't wanna spoil too much,
but there's a lot of, you know,

passing of the torch
and keeping the flame alive

that goes throughout
the entire five-hour event.

Uh, I don't know
what anyone told you,

but we brought you here
to spoil things.

So don't be hiding things.

As you can see,
the Multiverse is vast
and complex,

and a lot of people
are intimidated by that, man.

But we're going to
show you all how simple

and straightforward
it really is.

We brought in Chancellor Agard
from "Entertainment Weekly"

to walk us through
the state of the Multiverse.

Chancellor, bring out
your pointer, man!

Well, the Multiverse is down
six Earths after this episode,

including Earth 2,
which faded to dust

in the "Arrow"
season eight premiere.

Tonight,
we started on Earth 89.

- So, wait hold on. It's gone.
- Gone. It's gone already.

- Okay.
- So we started on Earth 89,
where we saw Robert Wuhl...

- Robert Wuhl's back!
- ...from the Tim Burton movies.

- And then? Gone.
- Gone.

Presumably along
with Michael Keaton.

From there, we traveled
across the cameo-verse

to Earth 9, home of
DC Universe's "Titans"...

- And?
- ...in the first ever--
oh, that's gone, too, yeah.

In the first ever
Arrowverse crossover
with a streaming show.

But they're dead already, so--

Gone. What was the point?

From there,
Earth X went next,

and then Earth 66
was the next to go,
along with Burt Ward

who played Robin
in the classic Batman series

- from 1966.
- So absolutely cruel.

Holy dead, Robin.

And then the anti-matter wave
started traveling towards Argo,

which is where Superman,
Lois Lane, baby Jonathan,

and Supergirl's mom
Alura were living.

But she's dead now.

Luckily,
Clark and Lois aren't, though,

because the Harbinger
teleported them to Earth 38.

And then baby Jonathan
zipped off in an escape pod.

At the same time,
Harbinger then traveled
to Earth 1,

where she collected Oliver,

Mia, Ray, Sara, Kate, Barry,

and brought them all
over to Earth 38.

Meanwhile,
Sara, Lois, and Brainy
travel to Earth 16

to find baby Jonathan,

who was in
a future version of Star City

with old man Oliver Queen.

After all that, though,
Earth 38 was still wiped out

by the Anti-Monitor.

Luckily, though,
our heroes managed

to save about
a couple billion people
and themselves

and bring them
all the way back to Earth 1,

which is where we left them.

Okay. That covers everything.

- Everything, yeah.
- Give it up for Chancellor.

That was excellent.
Pretty damn amazing.

All right, man,
I'm sweating.

That was a lot
to take in, man.

Before we go further,
I want to thank

LaMonica Garrett
for joining us.

Excellent job.

When we return,
we mourn our fallen heroes

and hear some very interesting
fan predictions.

Back in a flash
with more "Crisis Aftermath."

Welcome back,
my dear super friends.

This is "Crisis Aftermath,"
and I'm Kevin Smith.

We are delighted to have
the executive producer

of "Supergirl"
Robert Rovner here with us.

- How you doing, Robert?
- I'm super.

You got-- oh, my Lord.

Well-written.
Like all great sagas,

families are central
to the DC Universe,

especially
its most famous couple,

Superman and Lois Lane.

Tonight, they had their world
completely upended.

Let's look.

Quickly, with me.

We must set a course for Earth.

Hopefully
they'll have enough time

to stop this wave
before it hits.

Where are the rest?

There are no others.
Only this one.

You know, it seems like
Kryptonians are always
sending their kids

off in a space pod.

Is this just
a rite of passage
at this point?

Is this what they do?

Nobody ever told them, like,
there could be another plan.

They should've--
they should've prepared more,
built some more pods.

- True.
- But, unfortunately,
it didn't work out that way.

The whole planet should just be
a series of pods ready to go

at any moment
so everyone could leave.

But, no, it's always
just big enough for a baby.

What was it like
to kind of jump back
and re-examine

a moment that is huge,
iconic in comic book history,

but then put through
this different prism?

Very daunting for us to--
you know, wanted to pay homage

to the canon and to--
you know, we're all--

a lot of our inspiration comes
from the Donner movies,

and so we wanted to pay homage
to that as well.

We're really excited
to have this opportunity

to show it through Kal-El's eyes

and to do it
with Kal-El and Lois.

It's always nice
to include Superman,
but, like,

the inability
to play with the Superman IP

is kind of where
"Supergirl" came from.

And you guys built
something really wonderful.

In a world where it's like,
"Oh, we can't touch the big guy.

We can tell every Superman story
we ever dreamed about telling

through the prism of Supergirl."

And in doing so,
expanded and diversified
the Arrowverse.

What do we see happening
for the Maiden of Might

in the rest
of the series here?

Is she--
like the cover of one

of the very famous issues
of "Crisis On Infinite Earths,"

is she gonna be winding up
in somebody's arms lifeless?

- I can't give any spoilers.
- Come on, Robert!

She has a very
emotional journey

in the rest of Crisis.

You know, I think one
of the things that happens

in this hour,
she sees Argo destroyed.

And so she really is
on a mission to try
and save that.

You know, she's always
a character that's
full of a lot of hope,

and so she wants to,
you know,

both stop the inevitable

and correct what
the Anti-Monitor is up to,

- which is not good.
- Can I just say

this moment with Clark and Lois
when he was like,

"Where's the other ships?"
And she's like,

"There aren't any."
I was like, "Oh, no!"

I was like, "Can they just win
once and awhile?"

This man is so selfless.

Like, he went off
to have his family
on another planet.

Like, just let him
have this moment.

Of course,
they came back, but--

I also think I'm excited
because in the comics,

Alexander, you know,
actually has some part.

And I know
that Jonathan stays a baby.

But I'm like,
"There's no way this super baby
isn't popping in."

Like, even if it's just to,
like, punch--

punch someone,

I'm sure the super baby
will pop up somewhere.

All the heroes
in the Arrowverse

are all these
such strong leads,

but you guys
got some gold in Tyler.

Tyler is absolutely wonderful.

We caught up with Tyler,
AKA Clark Kent,

and got his thoughts
on the Man of Steel

becoming the dad of steel.
Check it out.

Hi. Jonathan really
has your eyes, huh?

I'll take it.

It's a new realization,
I think,

for him of how fragile
life really is,

and not because
he's afraid of losing his,

but he's afraid of not
being there for his son.

So it's definitely
something new to take on

and a new perspective
to look at the world through,

but it's been a fun challenge.

How does being a father
affect Superman?

I think it really raises
the stakes for him.

You know,
not only is he trying

to protect the universe
for his son, but he really,

I think,
feels much more deeply

what he could lose.

They've lost their baby

in time and space many,
many times.

Should Lois and Clark
also lose custody?

- I would say no.
- I don't think Kryptonians

should ever be allowed
to have children.

Because they don't know
what to do with them.

They're like,
"Hey, there's an earthquake."

"Let's throw the baby
into space!"

I also love that
they send them to humans.

Like, he's actually
super powered, but they're
giving this super powered

little individual
to the least responsible people
that can handle it.

"This will work out.
Send him to primates."

"Crisis On Infinite Earths"
may have just begun,

but we already have to
say some good-byes, man.

Let's take a moment
to pay tribute

to all those humans,
metahumans,

and entire civilizations
that we lost tonight.

( music playing )

You, my friend,

are the very best of us.

Holy crimson skies of death!

Robert, I want to thank you
so much for joining us,

giving us a little
of the inside dirt, man.

Don't go anywhere
because when we come back

we'll get the scoop
on the Arrowverse's

newest hero Batwoman.

We were Krypton
long before we were Krypt-off.

Stick around for more
"Crisis Aftermath."

Hello and welcome back
to "Crisis Aftermath,"

one of an infinite number

of "Crisis On Infinite Earths"
aftershows currently airing

in the known universes.

I'm one of your
infinite number of hosts,

Kevin Smith prime.

When we first see Batwoman,

she's busy kicking
people's butts in Gotham.

So when Harbinger
teleports her to Earth 38

to help prevent the destruction
of the Multiverse,

it's a little disorientating.
Let's look.

Kara, where are we
and what just happened?

- Um--
- You're on Earth 38.

- There was--
- ( grunts )

That rabbit was about to talk.

This one speaks to rabbits.

It's okay.
We're all on the same side.

Are we?
'Cause I don't know them.

But you know me.

And if you brought here
with all these other heroes,

it's probably
because we need you.

I trust everyone in this room
with my life, including you.

Well, I guess you should all
just call me Kate.

Oh, that's awesome!
Joining us now

is the showrunner of CW's
"Batwoman," Caroline Dries.

- Man, how are you?
- I'm good, thank you.

So good to have you here.
What's going on

in Batwoman's life
before she's called in
for this giant epic?

Yeah, Batwoman has been
spending most of the season

trying to convince herself
and everyone that she loves

that her sister Alice,

who's the big villain
of the season,

that she can be redeemed,

that there's some
humanity left in her.

- And that's her Joker.
- Yeah.

That's sort of like her crazy,
maniacal Joker counterpart,

and it's also her twin sister.

And Batwoman is convinced,
"Look, I can save her.

She's worth the time.
She's good.

She's got good
deep down in her."

And in the last episode
before Crisis,

Alice does the unthinkable.

She kills somebody
very close to Kate

and proves that she actually
probably isn't redeemable.

And right now as Kate's
entering this Crisis,

she's starting to wonder,
you know,

"Should I put my hope
in humanity? Is it worth it?

Am I capable of bringing out
the good in people?
What am I actually doing?"

How does she feel amongst
these superpowered individuals,

as someone who is fighting
without superpowers?

Yeah, it's tricky.

You know, I think
of being a superhero

when you have
the fate of the world

riding on your shoulders,

it's mostly about
just showing up
to fight the fight.

And does she know if
a batarang's going to work
on a shadow demon?

You know?
She's never done it before.

But that's
what makes her special,

is that she's
willing to do it.

Anybody who loves
to play in this field

- dreams about playing
with Gotham City IP.
- Yes.

What has it been like
to run around

- and do what you want
with Gotham City?
- It is such a gift.

Obviously,
Gotham is the second biggest
character on our show,

and we've had such
a fun time tapping into

some of the more familiar
characters and villains.

And we're also conscientious

that the audience
has a certain expectation

when they see these bad guys

that they've seen
a million times

- and they want
a little spin on it.
- Right.

And we wanna try
to tell stories that haven't
been seen before.

So there's just such a vast
encyclopedia of characters,

and they're all so weird
and colorful.

And the fun part about Gotham
is that the crazy

is built into
the DNA of the city.

So she's going up
against these villains

who are just as strong
as she is.

Has there-- and this is
just inside baseball.

Has there been any villain
that they're like,

"You can't touch that?"

- Uh, yes.
- A lot, right?

- Yeah.
- I imagine you can
speak to that as well.

I'm sure that--

I'm sure there's
no billion dollar movie

of a character that, uh,

is related to this
decision at all.

Still, like, you know,

the fact of the matter
is the Arrowverse has proven

that you can do
big budget storytelling

with vast cast,
just as adventurous,

just as--
it captures the imagination

as they do in the cinema.

And it seems to me
from the outside,

in the beginning it was very,

"You can only use
this guy and this guy,

and don't even
reference this stuff."

It seems to be loosening up.

I always look at it
as the glass is half full.

We never in a million years

when we first started
the Arrowverse,

thought we were ever--

Superman, Batwoman,
Gotham City?

Forget about it.

So, it's all a gift.

I want to thank Caroline Dries
for coming to join us.

Thank you
for representing Gotham

- in the Arrowverse.
- Thank you.

It's a big thing, big thing.

And when we come back,
I go head to head

against my podcast cohost

and primary life rival
Marc Bernardin

in a game of DC trivia.

Keep it right here, man.

Same bat time,
same bat channel.

Hello, and welcome back to
"Crisis Aftermath."

Joining us here
on the stage of destiny

is my friend
and Fat Man Beyond cohost

Mark Bernardin.
Welcome, Mark.

- Hey!
- How are you?

- I'm amazing.
- Now, it's confusing

for the home viewer,
because Dani's in my seat now.

That's because she's
gonna be games master

for a little competition

we like to call
Crisis: After Feud.

( music playing )

Thank you, Kevin.
I am going to ask

a series of trivia questions

about the DC Universe.

If you have an answer,
please raise your specially
made Crisis paddle

and I'll call on you.

- Trash talking is encouraged.
- Oh, thank God.

Extra points
will be assigned for making
the other person cry.

Whoa. I brought tissues.

The winner will be awarded
the prize of never
shutting up about it.

So, gentlemen, are you ready?

- Yes!
- All right, first question.

You might've wanted to work up
to the hard ones, Dani.

- Yes, Marc.
- Scientific Technical
Advanced Research?

- Oh, yeah, but there's
an "A" in there, friend.
- Advanced.

Oh, yeah, you said that.
Okay, never mind. Sorry.

- Did I get a point?
- Yeah, you got it.

- Spelling!
- How did you know that?

- All right, all right.
Moving on, moving on.
- I made it up.

- This is multiple choice.
- Yes.

Is it...

Ooh.

- Marc.
- Green Lantern.

- That is incorrect.
- Oh.

You can steal, Kevin. Yes.

- Uh, I'm gonna go Dr. Fate.
- Oh, you're both wrong!

- Boy, we're idiots.
- It is Wonder Woman.
Diana Prince herself.

- You know, that just shows
our gender bias, doesn't it?
- Yeah, it does.

- You all should've known.
- I'm like, "Had to be a man
invented the Multiverse."

Apparently not.

Um...

Fortress of Desolation?
No, I don't know.

- Apokolips?
- No.

It is Kaznia. Okay, okay.

Dani, this is really depressing.

This is all I got in life
is knowing about this stuff,

and I don't know it anymore.

For the record,
I'm winning.

- Yeah, you are.
- True.

You should be hosting
this thing.

Really making me look bad.

Okay...

I'm gonna say 97. Earth 97.

Can you please
raise your paddle, sir?

- ( bell rings )
- Earth 97.

That is correct.

- Yes!
- That is correct.

- I remember the '90s.
- And I remember those nipples.

Okay, here we go.

That's Chuck's Dixson's fault.
Chuck Dickson killed him.

Oliver had his hands in
a device, an exploding device,

and if he removed one
of his hands,

it would've set off the bomb
and exploded the plane.

- Yes.
- Superman was there,

and he was like,

"We can do this,
but I would have to--"

He intimates that
he would have to laser off
Oliver's arm,

which then would've
made Oliver look like

the "Dark Knight Returns"
Oliver Queen

who only had one arm.

So, while we were reading
the books, we were like, "Oh!

The future is here!"
And then instead,

- Oliver chose to die.
- Yes.

Kevin, that incredibly
long answer is correct.

- Yes!
- So you are actually
our winner.

I'm the filibuster winner!

I just said a lot of words

- and I won, man.
- Figures.

Thank you for making me
look good on TV.

- I try.
- Thank you for asking me
those questions.

You guys did very well.
When we come back,

we're gonna take a glimpse

into the future of
"Crisis On Infinite Earths,"

after you go through
this wormhole

of infinite commercials.

Welcome back
to "Crisis Aftermath."

We got Marc Guggenheim
back out for this final act,

and we are 24 hours away

from the next installment
of "Crisis On Infinite Earths."

And all we know is
that anything can happen.

Quantum Tower
shot out of the ground.

Burt Ward got killed
after two seconds

and a very clever line.

So we went to New York Comic Con
and we asked our beloved fans

what they think
is going to go down.

Check it out.

I am so excited for
"Crisis On Infinite Earths."

Man:
So many different characters

from so many
different multiverses.

I think it's going to
set up a lot

to bring Gotham City
into the fold,

and all of those characters,
and really be able

to kind of set them up
for the Batwoman show,

which I'm excited for as well.

Man:
I really hope we find out

what happened to Bruce Wayne.

Woman:
I would really like to see
Sara Lance reunite

with the new Black Canary.

Man:
I'm really excited to see

Brandon Routh wear the cape.

I felt he was
an under-appreciated Superman.

Maybe a clash between
Supergirl and Batwoman

and see how they go up
against each other.

I do think Flash is gonna
be leading the whole group.

Maybe Batwoman will
take the lead.

No. I don't think so.

- Why not?
- I know!

Boy, oh, boy,
everyone's got an opinion, man.

Were any of them right, Marc?

- Did any of them--
- You know, there were

a couple things
in there that we hit.

When you're writing the shows,

when the shows
are airing and whatnot,

do you pay attention
to the internet and their--

- Yeah, yeah, actually--
- Do they ever guess

- in advance, like--
- Always. Always.

Really?
So they figure it out?

Twitter is like crowdsourcing
the writers' room.

So, yes, people are constantly,
you know, predicting stuff.

So you're like,
"Oh, my God, they got that!"

Yes. Oh, no,
It's incredibly annoying.

- You know, at the same time--
- Annoying, but at the same time

it's flattering,
'cause they're all over it.

They're thinking about it,
you know?

And they're smart.
The internet's smart, man.

Where do you fall on the scale
of fandom of Arrowverse?

How deep and hard
do you go, Dani?

Oh, man, I mean, I feel like
I've been here since day one,

so it's been so cool to see
all these characters on--

honestly,
you also grow with them.

Like, you talked
about redemption,

and I feel like
we've grown with Oliver.

You know,
we've grown with Barry.

And one thing that
I didn't really get to
touch on was that Sara--

that moment
with Sara and older Oliver

where she says, you know,
"You're a good man."

And I think
when the other Oliver dies

and he says, "Barry,
you're the best of us,"

- it's because he always
discredits himself.
- Right.

Yet he's had so much growth,
and it's like--

I just love that moment

of her giving him
his redemption of,

"You, too,
are also a good man,

and that is what
all the rest of us see."

You been watching these shows
since the jump, yes?

Since the jump, yeah.
I was an OG "Arrow" fan.

And it's funny,
because it's hard

to still stay as passionate
about things as you do,

as you get older,
as the show gets older.

But these shows are always like
a renewable resource.

They always find ways
to seduce you back in.

And sometimes
it's the crossover,

sometimes
it's big character moments.

And sometimes
it's just these people
that you kind of love,

watching them do these things
over and over and over again.

And, yeah, you just kind of--
I like that love.

It's true,
I love these shows.

Like I don't care if Barry
faces a villain every year

that I know is
going to be speed based.

Like, what else is he gonna do?

I appreciate
that it's a family affair,
and it always has been.

And every one
of the Arrowverse series

ultimately does that, man.

It's about the family you have
and the family you build.

It's fantastic.
I want to thank all my guests.

Marc Guggenheim,
Dani Fernandez,

Marc Bernardin, Kat McNamara,

LaMonica Garrett, Robert Rovner,
and Caroline Dries, man.

Thank you all for coming in,

giving us a little dishing
of the dirt.

We're going to be back
on Tuesday night

for more giddy superhero chatter

after Crisis hour three.

Man, I'm gonna hunker down
in my Fortress of Solitude.

You know what that means.

Until then, make sure
you come back, man.

The whole universe is at stake!

See you next time
on "Crisis Aftermath."