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And now, like, Bitcoin, 12 00:00:53,288 --> 00:00:56,489 it's just a single technology built on top of the Internet, 13 00:00:56,491 --> 00:00:58,124 but it's so fascinating because there's so many 14 00:00:58,126 --> 00:01:00,660 freaking things you can do with it. 15 00:01:00,662 --> 00:01:02,162 It's also just a big experiment. 16 00:01:02,164 --> 00:01:03,663 There's no guarantees with it. 17 00:01:05,299 --> 00:01:07,434 We might just all be wasting our time... 18 00:01:08,903 --> 00:01:10,437 Exploring concepts and ideas. 19 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:12,739 It's at this crossroads of technology 20 00:01:12,741 --> 00:01:15,341 and philosophy and politics and everything. 21 00:01:16,844 --> 00:01:20,747 Just be a part of it. It's fun. 22 00:01:20,749 --> 00:01:22,482 It's crazy though, but it's fun. 23 00:01:23,918 --> 00:01:25,452 Um, first question is 24 00:01:25,454 --> 00:01:27,587 what is Bitcoin? 25 00:01:32,193 --> 00:01:33,993 I can't tell you what Bitcoin is 26 00:01:33,995 --> 00:01:35,428 in just a few sentences. 27 00:01:35,430 --> 00:01:38,431 It takes time to understand it, 28 00:01:38,433 --> 00:01:40,667 the same way it took people time to understand 29 00:01:40,669 --> 00:01:42,135 what the Internet was 30 00:01:42,137 --> 00:01:44,003 back in 1994. 31 00:01:44,005 --> 00:01:47,140 That little Mark with the "a" and then the ring around it. 32 00:01:47,142 --> 00:01:49,109 - "At"? - See, that's what I said. 33 00:01:49,111 --> 00:01:51,811 - Mm-hmm. - Katie said she thought it was "about." 34 00:01:51,813 --> 00:01:55,181 - Yeah. - Elizabeth Vargas: Oh, Internet is... 35 00:01:55,183 --> 00:01:57,283 - - That massive computer network... - Right. 36 00:01:57,285 --> 00:01:59,452 ...the one that's becoming really big now. 37 00:01:59,454 --> 00:02:01,955 Allison, can you explain what Internet is? 38 00:02:03,657 --> 00:02:05,492 When the Internet was taking off, 39 00:02:05,494 --> 00:02:07,327 I was in college at Virginia tech 40 00:02:07,329 --> 00:02:09,229 studying computer science. 41 00:02:09,231 --> 00:02:12,165 Looking back, it's amazing to think about 42 00:02:12,167 --> 00:02:14,167 how much the world was changing. 43 00:02:14,169 --> 00:02:15,802 Hey, Dan, ready for the game? 44 00:02:15,804 --> 00:02:17,971 I'm just finishing up here with my new kayaking friends. 45 00:02:17,973 --> 00:02:19,239 Kayaking friends on your computer? 46 00:02:19,241 --> 00:02:21,674 Yeah, I just got America online. 47 00:02:21,676 --> 00:02:24,210 That same type of innovation is happening again 48 00:02:24,212 --> 00:02:25,812 with Bitcoin. 49 00:02:25,814 --> 00:02:27,514 It's the smartest people in the room 50 00:02:27,516 --> 00:02:30,450 that are the most excited about this. So what are they seeing? 51 00:02:30,452 --> 00:02:33,887 The Internet changed the way the world communicates 52 00:02:33,889 --> 00:02:36,756 Bitcoin changes the way money works. 53 00:02:36,758 --> 00:02:40,527 You can basically put a bank in your pocket. 54 00:02:40,529 --> 00:02:41,794 Psst! 55 00:02:41,796 --> 00:02:43,463 Wanna buy some secret stuff? 56 00:02:43,465 --> 00:02:45,131 There is now a new note 57 00:02:45,133 --> 00:02:46,432 that people are starting to talk about-- 58 00:02:46,434 --> 00:02:47,600 The Bitcoin. 59 00:02:47,602 --> 00:02:49,369 The money of the future. 60 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:55,141 Bitcoin was created to provide 61 00:02:55,143 --> 00:02:57,010 an alternative to the banking system. 62 00:02:57,012 --> 00:02:58,011 We're in the midst 63 00:02:58,013 --> 00:03:00,146 of a serious financial crisis 64 00:03:00,148 --> 00:03:01,681 and the federal government is responding 65 00:03:01,683 --> 00:03:03,116 with decisive action. 66 00:03:06,654 --> 00:03:08,788 Unlike most currencies, 67 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:11,958 Bitcoins are issued according to a set of fixed rules. 68 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,761 The idea was to create money whose value 69 00:03:14,763 --> 00:03:18,298 couldn't be manipulated by a central authority. 70 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:20,433 The government, no matter how many guns they draw, 71 00:03:20,435 --> 00:03:23,336 cannot change a mathematical problem. 72 00:03:23,338 --> 00:03:25,939 They can point their guns at "two plus two," 73 00:03:25,941 --> 00:03:27,301 but it's always gonna equal four. 74 00:03:31,645 --> 00:03:33,379 It's fascinating to imagine 75 00:03:33,381 --> 00:03:36,115 what it means to have global decentralized money. 76 00:03:37,785 --> 00:03:39,018 And that's what's happening. 77 00:04:11,820 --> 00:04:14,454 My five-year-old's birthday. 78 00:04:14,456 --> 00:04:16,089 First round of burgers is ready. 79 00:04:16,091 --> 00:04:18,091 Second round is going on in a second. 80 00:04:19,159 --> 00:04:21,261 First round of burgers is ready! 81 00:04:22,731 --> 00:04:24,130 First round. 82 00:04:25,733 --> 00:04:28,167 Eliza Mross: Dan has always been an idea guy. 83 00:04:28,169 --> 00:04:30,436 Bitcoin is the perfect combination 84 00:04:30,438 --> 00:04:32,905 of how can I change the world and make it better, 85 00:04:32,907 --> 00:04:35,141 but how can I also be a nerd? 86 00:04:35,143 --> 00:04:37,510 So mostly I've just been supporting him 87 00:04:37,512 --> 00:04:40,013 in this craziness. 88 00:04:43,117 --> 00:04:44,851 Eliza and I met in college, 89 00:04:44,853 --> 00:04:47,086 and we've been married for seven years. 90 00:04:47,088 --> 00:04:49,355 We live in Pittsburgh, where I'm from, 91 00:04:49,357 --> 00:04:51,324 and we have three boys, 92 00:04:51,326 --> 00:04:52,925 I've spent most of my career 93 00:04:52,927 --> 00:04:55,628 as a database administrator. 94 00:04:55,630 --> 00:04:58,831 But for the past two years, I've been consumed with Bitcoin. 95 00:05:00,768 --> 00:05:04,671 Bitcoins come into existence through a process called mining. 96 00:05:04,673 --> 00:05:07,507 I build computers to mine for Bitcoins. 97 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:12,011 I'm glad that it's finally getting a little bit cooler out. 98 00:05:12,013 --> 00:05:14,781 My wife won't be as angry that the basement is so hot. 99 00:05:16,483 --> 00:05:19,952 I've still got a bunch of mining rigs running right now. 100 00:05:19,954 --> 00:05:22,394 Actually they're right down here, if you wanna go take a look. 101 00:05:31,532 --> 00:05:33,232 Here they are. 102 00:05:35,703 --> 00:05:37,937 So what is Bitcoin? 103 00:05:37,939 --> 00:05:40,773 Bitcoin is a revolutionary technology 104 00:05:40,775 --> 00:05:43,609 that enables a new way to send payments over the Internet. 105 00:05:43,611 --> 00:05:46,679 - - You can think of it as an open accounting system 106 00:05:46,681 --> 00:05:49,182 where thousands of computers all over the world 107 00:05:49,184 --> 00:05:53,119 work together to track ownership of digital tokens called Bitcoins. 108 00:05:53,121 --> 00:05:55,355 When you send someone Bitcoins, 109 00:05:55,357 --> 00:05:58,424 the transaction is broadcast to the entire network. 110 00:05:58,426 --> 00:06:00,626 After it's verified, 111 00:06:00,628 --> 00:06:02,161 it's recorded in a public ledger 112 00:06:02,163 --> 00:06:03,863 called the blockchain. 113 00:06:03,865 --> 00:06:05,431 The blockchain contains a record 114 00:06:05,433 --> 00:06:07,600 of every Bitcoin transaction that has occurred 115 00:06:07,602 --> 00:06:09,202 since the system began, 116 00:06:09,204 --> 00:06:11,170 and it's shared and maintained on the network, 117 00:06:11,172 --> 00:06:13,172 so everyone keeps the books, so to speak. 118 00:06:14,675 --> 00:06:16,943 Most currencies are issued by a central authority 119 00:06:16,945 --> 00:06:19,278 that controls the money supply. 120 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,280 Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer system, 121 00:06:21,282 --> 00:06:23,282 so there is no central authority. 122 00:06:23,284 --> 00:06:26,352 Instead Bitcoins are issued to users 123 00:06:26,354 --> 00:06:28,855 who help process transactions in the network. 124 00:06:28,857 --> 00:06:32,125 This is known as Bitcoin mining. 125 00:06:32,127 --> 00:06:34,627 Bitcoin miners are specialized computers 126 00:06:34,629 --> 00:06:36,295 that do the work required to verify 127 00:06:36,297 --> 00:06:38,765 and record transactions in the blockchain. 128 00:06:38,767 --> 00:06:40,533 As a reward for their work, 129 00:06:40,535 --> 00:06:42,502 the miners earn Bitcoins, 130 00:06:42,504 --> 00:06:45,805 and this is how new Bitcoins are released into circulation. 131 00:06:45,807 --> 00:06:47,373 The system is programmed 132 00:06:47,375 --> 00:06:50,209 so that only 21 million Bitcoins will ever exist. 133 00:06:50,211 --> 00:06:51,778 And as time goes by, 134 00:06:51,780 --> 00:06:53,446 the mining reward decreases. 135 00:06:53,448 --> 00:06:55,915 The result is a predictable supply 136 00:06:55,917 --> 00:06:57,617 that's governed by scarcity, 137 00:06:57,619 --> 00:07:01,087 making Bitcoins somewhat like a digital gold. 138 00:07:01,089 --> 00:07:03,756 It's the first currency of the Internet. 139 00:07:03,758 --> 00:07:05,591 And everyone is free to use it. 140 00:07:05,593 --> 00:07:08,694 With Bitcoin, you can send any amount of money 141 00:07:08,696 --> 00:07:10,963 to anyone anywhere in the world 142 00:07:10,965 --> 00:07:12,865 as easily as sending an email. 143 00:07:17,004 --> 00:07:19,472 My brother Nick is a filmmaker. 144 00:07:19,474 --> 00:07:22,608 After hearing me talk about Bitcoin incessantly for months, 145 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:25,111 we decided to start documenting things. 146 00:07:25,113 --> 00:07:27,980 Hey, I don't think we'll need the small camera. 147 00:07:27,982 --> 00:07:30,750 - It can't hurt. - No, I'd rather just leave it behind. 148 00:07:30,752 --> 00:07:32,819 I have so much equipment. Do you mind? 149 00:07:32,821 --> 00:07:34,654 Damn, you really cramped it up, huh? 150 00:07:34,656 --> 00:07:35,955 Not that bad. What do you mean? 151 00:07:35,957 --> 00:07:38,491 - Jeez. - Dude, they're right there. 152 00:07:38,493 --> 00:07:40,293 Right in the back. Right there. 153 00:07:40,295 --> 00:07:42,962 I was convinced that Bitcoin was going to be huge, 154 00:07:42,964 --> 00:07:45,598 and I knew there were a lot of others like me out there. 155 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,167 Zipped my keys in my pocket, so I don't forget 'em later. 156 00:07:53,073 --> 00:07:57,243 Bitcoin was created by what's believed to be a pseudonym, 157 00:07:57,245 --> 00:07:59,779 a guy named Satoshi Nakamoto. 158 00:07:59,781 --> 00:08:02,648 Invented in '09 by a fictitious person 159 00:08:02,650 --> 00:08:04,784 named Satoshi Nakamoto... 160 00:08:04,786 --> 00:08:06,786 On Halloween 2008, 161 00:08:06,788 --> 00:08:09,255 someone using the name Satoshi Nakamoto. 162 00:08:09,257 --> 00:08:11,090 Posted on a cryptography mailing list... 163 00:08:16,797 --> 00:08:19,265 The post contained a link to a white paper 164 00:08:19,267 --> 00:08:22,702 in which Satoshi proposed a new type of payment system for the Internet. 165 00:08:22,704 --> 00:08:25,638 It described a protocol that used peer-to-peer networking, 166 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,241 proof of work and public key cryptography. 167 00:08:30,344 --> 00:08:33,346 For years, computer scientists had been experimenting 168 00:08:33,348 --> 00:08:36,349 with these technologies to create digital money. 169 00:08:36,351 --> 00:08:38,718 But Satoshi discovered a way to combine them 170 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,353 that had never been done before. 171 00:08:40,355 --> 00:08:43,789 In doing so, he invented Bitcoin. 172 00:08:43,791 --> 00:08:46,726 There are no records of Nakamoto's existence 173 00:08:46,728 --> 00:08:48,427 prior to the creation of Bitcoin. 174 00:08:48,429 --> 00:08:50,029 On his profile page, 175 00:08:50,031 --> 00:08:51,964 he claimed to be a 34-year-old man 176 00:08:51,966 --> 00:08:53,699 living in Japan. 177 00:08:53,701 --> 00:08:56,536 Although Satoshi Nakamoto is a Japanese name, 178 00:08:56,538 --> 00:08:59,405 he wrote in perfect English when communicating online 179 00:08:59,407 --> 00:09:01,847 and went through great lengths to keep his identity unknown. 180 00:09:03,143 --> 00:09:05,611 Nonetheless, programmers and cryptographers 181 00:09:05,613 --> 00:09:08,948 all across the world recognized the brilliance of Satoshi's design. 182 00:09:08,950 --> 00:09:12,585 And began collaborating with him to further develop Bitcoin. 183 00:09:12,587 --> 00:09:14,820 In October of 2009, 184 00:09:14,822 --> 00:09:16,589 the first exchange rate was published. 185 00:09:16,591 --> 00:09:21,294 Listing the value of 1,309 Bitcoins at $1. 186 00:09:21,296 --> 00:09:23,863 Bitcoins were cheap, and through the following year, 187 00:09:23,865 --> 00:09:26,032 they continued to trade for fractions of a cent. 188 00:09:27,301 --> 00:09:28,734 In the spring of 2010, 189 00:09:28,736 --> 00:09:30,503 a Florida man named Laszlo 190 00:09:30,505 --> 00:09:32,939 decided to try using his Bitcoins to purchase something. 191 00:09:32,941 --> 00:09:35,241 He offered 10,000 Bitcoins 192 00:09:35,243 --> 00:09:37,276 to anyone who would buy him pizza. 193 00:09:37,278 --> 00:09:39,011 A man in London accepted 194 00:09:39,013 --> 00:09:40,680 and placed a long-distance phone call, 195 00:09:40,682 --> 00:09:43,015 ordering him two pizzas from papa John's. 196 00:09:43,017 --> 00:09:44,951 This is generally acknowledged 197 00:09:44,953 --> 00:09:48,020 as the first Bitcoin transaction for a tangible good. 198 00:09:48,022 --> 00:09:49,989 Bitcoin was gaining momentum, 199 00:09:49,991 --> 00:09:51,824 but in order for it to thrive 200 00:09:51,826 --> 00:09:54,160 the coins needed to be more widely accessible. 201 00:09:54,162 --> 00:09:57,430 A Tokyo-based exchange named Mt. Gox was 202 00:09:57,432 --> 00:09:59,832 the first on the scene to take hold of the Marketplace 203 00:09:59,834 --> 00:10:01,634 and trading volume started to pick up. 204 00:10:01,636 --> 00:10:03,636 By November 2010, 205 00:10:03,638 --> 00:10:06,138 already 4 million Bitcoins had been mined. 206 00:10:06,140 --> 00:10:09,408 And the exchange price briefly spiked to 50� per coin. 207 00:10:09,410 --> 00:10:12,812 The Market awoke and Bitcoin was starting to look like 208 00:10:12,814 --> 00:10:15,815 it might have real potential as a currency. 209 00:10:15,817 --> 00:10:18,651 His name is Julian Assange. 210 00:10:18,653 --> 00:10:20,586 Assange and his colleagues 211 00:10:20,588 --> 00:10:23,189 collect confidential information and then make it public. 212 00:10:23,191 --> 00:10:26,459 The release of 250,000 state department documents 213 00:10:26,461 --> 00:10:29,495 no doubt presents a serious dilemma for this country. 214 00:10:29,497 --> 00:10:31,497 Following a massive release 215 00:10:31,499 --> 00:10:33,499 of secret U.S. diplomatic cables, 216 00:10:33,501 --> 00:10:36,068 donations to Wikileaks were blocked 217 00:10:36,070 --> 00:10:38,671 by Bank of America, Visa, Mastercard, 218 00:10:38,673 --> 00:10:41,173 PayPal and Western union. 219 00:10:41,175 --> 00:10:44,043 An article in "PC World" suggested that Bitcoin 220 00:10:44,045 --> 00:10:45,611 could be used as a workaround 221 00:10:45,613 --> 00:10:47,413 to send donations to Wikileaks. 222 00:10:47,415 --> 00:10:49,949 One of Satoshi's last known posts 223 00:10:49,951 --> 00:10:51,851 was in response to the article and stated... 224 00:11:00,293 --> 00:11:01,994 Shortly after that 225 00:11:01,996 --> 00:11:03,829 Satoshi disappeared from the forums 226 00:11:03,831 --> 00:11:06,732 and was never heard from again. 227 00:11:06,734 --> 00:11:10,569 Two months later the silk road anonymous Marketplace was launched. 228 00:11:10,571 --> 00:11:12,938 It functioned as an online black Market 229 00:11:12,940 --> 00:11:14,840 for drugs and other illicit goods 230 00:11:14,842 --> 00:11:16,742 and used Bitcoin exclusively, 231 00:11:16,744 --> 00:11:18,077 because it made the money trail 232 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:20,079 nearly impossible to trace. 233 00:11:20,081 --> 00:11:22,148 The silk road caught the attention 234 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:24,150 of New York senator Charles Schumer 235 00:11:24,152 --> 00:11:25,985 who was outraged and publicly called 236 00:11:25,987 --> 00:11:28,254 for a crackdown on the site. 237 00:11:28,256 --> 00:11:31,190 Heroin, opium, cannabis, ecstasy, 238 00:11:31,192 --> 00:11:32,825 psychedelics, stimulants. 239 00:11:32,827 --> 00:11:34,160 It's unbelievable. 240 00:11:34,162 --> 00:11:35,961 Throughout all this, 241 00:11:35,963 --> 00:11:37,797 the exchange price continued to climb. 242 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:40,099 By February of 2011, 243 00:11:40,101 --> 00:11:42,468 Bitcoin reached parity with the U.S. dollar. 244 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:45,538 Sparking an influx of new users and speculators. 245 00:11:45,540 --> 00:11:49,608 By June the price had soared to a peak of $31 246 00:11:49,610 --> 00:11:51,811 before it came crashing down. 247 00:11:51,813 --> 00:11:55,347 As the Market tanked, the Mt. Gox exchange was hacked, 248 00:11:55,349 --> 00:11:57,149 further shaking the confidence of investors 249 00:11:57,151 --> 00:11:58,884 and hammering the price all the way down 250 00:11:58,886 --> 00:12:00,986 to the $2 range by October. 251 00:12:00,988 --> 00:12:03,923 While Bitcoin enthusiasts kept hope, 252 00:12:03,925 --> 00:12:06,092 skeptics were quick to share their hindsights 253 00:12:06,094 --> 00:12:08,661 and rants on blogs and in news articles. 254 00:12:08,663 --> 00:12:10,596 Many thought that the party was over 255 00:12:10,598 --> 00:12:13,632 and that Bitcoin was on its way out. 256 00:12:13,634 --> 00:12:16,235 I went online and I bought one Bitcoin last night. 257 00:12:16,237 --> 00:12:19,171 Really? It's the future. 258 00:12:19,173 --> 00:12:20,173 I don't know. 259 00:12:20,174 --> 00:12:21,174 It didn't feel real. 260 00:12:21,175 --> 00:12:23,175 No. Real's gonna change. 261 00:12:24,177 --> 00:12:26,746 Just watch. 262 00:12:26,748 --> 00:12:29,081 Today I sent a total of... 263 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:32,685 2700 Bitcoins 264 00:12:32,687 --> 00:12:34,120 to butterfly labs. 265 00:12:34,122 --> 00:12:37,590 I purchased, basically, a custom-designed 266 00:12:37,592 --> 00:12:40,493 Bitcoin-mining supercomputer. 267 00:12:40,495 --> 00:12:42,228 If Bitcoin fails... 268 00:12:43,497 --> 00:12:45,231 Everything I have is worthless. 269 00:12:45,233 --> 00:12:47,800 The Bitcoins I have, 270 00:12:47,802 --> 00:12:49,568 the computers, the mining system 271 00:12:49,570 --> 00:12:51,170 was all a waste of money. 272 00:12:54,508 --> 00:12:56,575 But if it succeeds, then... 273 00:12:58,812 --> 00:13:01,313 It will have been worth it, I think. 274 00:13:01,315 --> 00:13:04,650 - - The Bitcoin economy was a wild west in cyberspace 275 00:13:04,652 --> 00:13:07,853 that was very attractive to hackers and scammers. 276 00:13:07,855 --> 00:13:11,323 Over the years, tens of thousands of coins had been stolen 277 00:13:11,325 --> 00:13:13,626 and 2012 proved no different. 278 00:13:13,628 --> 00:13:16,295 Users had to be careful. 279 00:13:16,297 --> 00:13:19,098 If somebody steals your Bitcoins, there are no consumer protections. 280 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:21,300 Sorry, they're gone. You lost your Bitcoins? They're gone 281 00:13:21,302 --> 00:13:23,102 and you're not going to get them back. 282 00:13:23,104 --> 00:13:26,005 But after months of stagnation on the exchanges, 283 00:13:26,007 --> 00:13:28,474 the Bitcoin price was on the rise again. 284 00:13:28,476 --> 00:13:31,844 The price of Bitcoin today is around $7 U.S.D., 285 00:13:31,846 --> 00:13:35,347 which just had a nice little bump this week. 286 00:13:35,349 --> 00:13:38,350 By the end of the year, the blogging site Wordpress 287 00:13:38,352 --> 00:13:41,320 announced it would start accepting Bitcoin payments. 288 00:13:41,322 --> 00:13:44,089 And in early 2013, the discussion forum Reddit 289 00:13:44,091 --> 00:13:45,925 also announced Bitcoin support. 290 00:13:45,927 --> 00:13:49,228 They were the first major sites to incorporate Bitcoin, 291 00:13:49,230 --> 00:13:51,463 and these milestones signaled the beginning 292 00:13:51,465 --> 00:13:52,898 of mainstream acceptance. 293 00:14:00,540 --> 00:14:04,109 Bitcoin is the most subversive technology on the planet. 294 00:14:04,111 --> 00:14:07,046 This is a system that is growing around the entire world. 295 00:14:07,048 --> 00:14:10,282 So if it works, if this experiment continues to grow, 296 00:14:10,284 --> 00:14:13,652 it doesn't just help a few of us in this state or in the country, 297 00:14:13,654 --> 00:14:15,621 but it actually helps everyone around the world. 298 00:14:19,827 --> 00:14:21,493 As the Bitcoin price hovered around 299 00:14:21,495 --> 00:14:24,396 it's previous all-time high of $31, 300 00:14:24,398 --> 00:14:27,099 I visited a libertarian conference in New Hampshire. 301 00:14:27,101 --> 00:14:29,602 It lost 20% and then it gained 20% 302 00:14:29,604 --> 00:14:31,437 in 20 minutes. 303 00:14:31,439 --> 00:14:33,005 It is-- They're silly. 304 00:14:34,074 --> 00:14:35,674 Libertarians are among 305 00:14:35,676 --> 00:14:37,276 the earliest adopters of Bitcoin. 306 00:14:37,278 --> 00:14:39,845 Its nature as a currency that isn't controlled 307 00:14:39,847 --> 00:14:42,815 by central banks makes it attractive to this community. 308 00:14:42,817 --> 00:14:45,150 Once I was able to kind of grok the basic concept, 309 00:14:45,152 --> 00:14:47,853 it was like, "this is the perfect money." 310 00:14:47,855 --> 00:14:50,522 This is what a Bitcoin address looks like. 311 00:14:50,524 --> 00:14:52,825 Think of this long string of characters 312 00:14:52,827 --> 00:14:55,294 as an account number where your Bitcoins are stored. 313 00:14:55,296 --> 00:14:57,329 When you send or receive Bitcoins, 314 00:14:57,331 --> 00:14:59,798 they are sent to these addresses. 315 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,834 The addresses are long and hard to remember 316 00:15:01,836 --> 00:15:04,637 so using a phone to scan a Q.R. Code 317 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:06,805 is a fast and easy way to read them. 318 00:15:06,807 --> 00:15:08,540 Another good thing to know 319 00:15:08,542 --> 00:15:09,975 is that Bitcoins can be broken down 320 00:15:09,977 --> 00:15:11,677 to eight decimal places. 321 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:14,280 This means that you can send fractions of a Bitcoin. 322 00:15:14,282 --> 00:15:17,683 So any amount of money can be represented. 323 00:15:17,685 --> 00:15:20,920 With Bitcoin, every transaction is public. 324 00:15:20,922 --> 00:15:23,422 Everyone can see the amount that is being sent 325 00:15:23,424 --> 00:15:26,892 without necessarily knowing the identity of the sender. 326 00:15:26,894 --> 00:15:29,929 These guys even have one of the first Bitcoin ATMs. 327 00:15:29,931 --> 00:15:33,132 You just scan your Q.R. Code on your phone, 328 00:15:33,134 --> 00:15:35,401 put in the dollar bills and press the button. 329 00:15:35,403 --> 00:15:37,937 Bam. Done. Perfect. 330 00:15:37,939 --> 00:15:40,306 You now traded your worthless piece of paper 331 00:15:40,308 --> 00:15:42,274 for real currency. 332 00:15:42,276 --> 00:15:44,310 It's like, "end the fed?" It's like, seriously, you think 333 00:15:44,312 --> 00:15:45,744 you're gonna end the fed? You're not gonna end the fed. 334 00:15:45,746 --> 00:15:47,079 You're not gonna change anything about the fed. 335 00:15:47,081 --> 00:15:49,114 - Transcend the fed. - Bypass the fed. 336 00:15:49,116 --> 00:15:50,916 - Right, yeah. - That's what you should do. 337 00:15:50,918 --> 00:15:53,919 My concern is how the governments will react. 338 00:15:53,921 --> 00:15:56,255 They can't kill or stop Bitcoin, 339 00:15:56,257 --> 00:15:59,658 but they could impede it and they could get in the way of its development. 340 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:05,931 A few weeks later across the ocean, 341 00:16:05,933 --> 00:16:08,167 a financial crisis was reaching a breaking point 342 00:16:08,169 --> 00:16:09,802 on the island of Cyprus. 343 00:16:09,804 --> 00:16:12,137 Cyprus is on the brink of going bust. 344 00:16:12,139 --> 00:16:14,273 The rest of Europe has agreed to a bailout, 345 00:16:14,275 --> 00:16:18,277 but only if Cyprus raids people's bank accounts for quick hard cash. 346 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:20,779 People tried to get money out of the cash machines 347 00:16:20,781 --> 00:16:23,115 but electronic transfers have been stopped. 348 00:16:23,117 --> 00:16:25,351 Never did I think that they would... 349 00:16:25,353 --> 00:16:27,119 ...in a completely unprecedented manner 350 00:16:27,121 --> 00:16:28,954 resort to stealing money 351 00:16:28,956 --> 00:16:31,323 from people's bank accounts. 352 00:16:31,325 --> 00:16:33,225 The Cypriots had placed their trust 353 00:16:33,227 --> 00:16:36,996 in the banking system and it had failed them. 354 00:16:36,998 --> 00:16:40,332 As news of the crisis spread around the world, 355 00:16:40,334 --> 00:16:42,468 Bitcoin believers were quick to point it out 356 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:44,436 as an example of why a currency 357 00:16:44,438 --> 00:16:46,505 free from government control was needed. 358 00:16:46,507 --> 00:16:48,941 There's actually Bitcoin ATMs 359 00:16:48,943 --> 00:16:51,310 apparently being set up in Cyprus. 360 00:16:51,312 --> 00:16:53,312 All of a sudden, Bitcoin looks 361 00:16:53,314 --> 00:16:55,014 like an attractive prospect. 362 00:16:56,983 --> 00:16:58,817 While this was happening in Cyprus, 363 00:16:58,819 --> 00:17:00,586 regulators at the U.S. treasury 364 00:17:00,588 --> 00:17:03,222 weighed in on Bitcoin. 365 00:17:03,224 --> 00:17:06,692 The financial crimes enforcement network, known as FinCEN, 366 00:17:06,694 --> 00:17:09,762 issued its first regulatory guidance on virtual currencies. 367 00:17:10,964 --> 00:17:12,965 The guidance implied that Bitcoin, 368 00:17:12,967 --> 00:17:15,200 in and of itself, was not illegal. 369 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:21,573 It was the perfect storm. 370 00:17:21,575 --> 00:17:24,043 The situation in Cyprus suggested 371 00:17:24,045 --> 00:17:26,912 that Bitcoin could function as a financial safe haven. 372 00:17:26,914 --> 00:17:29,481 And the approving nod of U.S. regulators 373 00:17:29,483 --> 00:17:31,583 was a green light for investors. 374 00:17:31,585 --> 00:17:33,252 The Market agreed 375 00:17:33,254 --> 00:17:35,421 and the exchange price continued to climb. 376 00:17:37,658 --> 00:17:40,926 It's moving from the super super-early-adopter phase 377 00:17:40,928 --> 00:17:42,661 to possibly the early-adopter phase. 378 00:17:42,663 --> 00:17:43,962 Bitcoin was getting 379 00:17:43,964 --> 00:17:45,664 international exposure 380 00:17:45,666 --> 00:17:47,633 and people were starting to pay attention. 381 00:17:50,303 --> 00:17:54,473 This is actually a live, updated map of the globe 382 00:17:54,475 --> 00:17:58,343 and the lines represent Bitcoin clients. 383 00:17:58,345 --> 00:18:00,646 Basically where the Bitcoin software is running. 384 00:18:00,648 --> 00:18:04,483 And the length of the line determines 385 00:18:04,485 --> 00:18:06,819 how long it's been online or how active it's been. 386 00:18:06,821 --> 00:18:08,654 And every time I look at this, 387 00:18:08,656 --> 00:18:10,923 I swear it gets more and more saturated. 388 00:18:10,925 --> 00:18:13,258 You can almost see an outline of the U.S. now. 389 00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:15,260 South America-- You're starting to get it. 390 00:18:15,262 --> 00:18:17,029 But the big news, in my opinion, 391 00:18:17,031 --> 00:18:18,864 is this-- China. 392 00:18:18,866 --> 00:18:22,301 You used to see one, two, three, maybe. 393 00:18:22,303 --> 00:18:26,638 And this is all within the last three weeks or so. 394 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,007 That's the most I've ever seen in China. 395 00:18:29,009 --> 00:18:31,176 Look down here. Indonesia, Singapore, 396 00:18:31,178 --> 00:18:32,744 Australia, New Zealand. 397 00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:43,255 The following week it snowed in Pittsburg. 398 00:18:43,257 --> 00:18:46,725 I was eagerly awaiting the delivery of two Avalon ASICs, 399 00:18:46,727 --> 00:18:48,494 state of the art computers 400 00:18:48,496 --> 00:18:51,597 with chips specifically designed for mining Bitcoins. 401 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:53,298 Yifu Guo is at the forefront 402 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:55,267 of the new generation of hardware, 403 00:18:55,269 --> 00:18:56,735 and is the first to bring them to Market. 404 00:18:56,737 --> 00:18:58,670 Everybody, including myself, 405 00:18:58,672 --> 00:18:59,972 had severely underestimated 406 00:18:59,974 --> 00:19:01,907 the mining Market and how big it is. 407 00:19:01,909 --> 00:19:03,275 When Bitcoin began, 408 00:19:03,277 --> 00:19:05,410 a standard laptop was powerful enough 409 00:19:05,412 --> 00:19:08,113 to mine hundreds of Bitcoins in a matter of days. 410 00:19:08,115 --> 00:19:11,817 The technology evolved rapidly over the past couple of years. 411 00:19:11,819 --> 00:19:13,652 A lot of people are getting into it 412 00:19:13,654 --> 00:19:15,154 or still trying to catch up. 413 00:19:17,957 --> 00:19:19,992 I was on vacation with my family 414 00:19:19,994 --> 00:19:22,161 when the new miners were scheduled to arrive. 415 00:19:22,163 --> 00:19:25,430 The price of Bitcoin had rocketed to $77 416 00:19:25,432 --> 00:19:27,966 so I asked some friends to wait at my house 417 00:19:27,968 --> 00:19:29,501 to get them running as soon as possible. 418 00:19:29,503 --> 00:19:33,138 All right! 419 00:19:33,140 --> 00:19:35,660 - I hope this is good. I hope it's worthwhile. - Oh, definitely. 420 00:19:36,943 --> 00:19:38,477 These are new computer parts here... 421 00:19:38,479 --> 00:19:40,445 - Excellent, excellent. - ...Fresh in from China. 422 00:19:40,447 --> 00:19:43,315 - - All right, it's not official until you sign. 423 00:19:43,317 --> 00:19:45,017 There we go. 424 00:19:47,287 --> 00:19:49,421 Yeah, we'll see. Maybe down the road 425 00:19:49,423 --> 00:19:50,956 you guys will start accepting Bitcoin one day, I bet. 426 00:19:50,958 --> 00:19:52,591 - That's cool. - Just a matter of time. 427 00:19:52,593 --> 00:19:54,233 Good luck to you guys. All right. 428 00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:56,929 I notified Dan 429 00:19:56,931 --> 00:19:58,331 and he has a little response here. 430 00:20:10,376 --> 00:20:12,511 Welcome to the financial renaissance. 431 00:20:13,746 --> 00:20:15,781 192.168.1.140. 432 00:20:15,783 --> 00:20:17,683 255.255.255.0. 433 00:20:17,685 --> 00:20:19,685 192.168.1.1. 434 00:20:19,687 --> 00:20:21,520 That's the default gateway. 435 00:20:21,522 --> 00:20:25,591 My first pull is gonna be stratum. ozc.in, port 3333. 436 00:20:25,593 --> 00:20:28,026 Port 80, but I can do 3333. 437 00:20:28,028 --> 00:20:30,596 And when everything's all said and done, for at least a little while, 438 00:20:30,598 --> 00:20:33,932 it should be pulling in 10 to 12 coins a day. 439 00:20:33,934 --> 00:20:36,368 That's gonna change though, after another week. 440 00:20:36,370 --> 00:20:38,303 It's gonna get dropped down to, like, eight, 441 00:20:38,305 --> 00:20:40,606 - just because the difficulty's just going through the roof. - Yeah. 442 00:20:40,608 --> 00:20:42,040 Everybody's firing these things up, 443 00:20:42,042 --> 00:20:43,742 so it's always a race to stay ahead 444 00:20:43,744 --> 00:20:47,112 and try to be the first guy with the hardware, you know? 445 00:20:47,114 --> 00:20:49,214 Oh, I'm getting pings. Whoo! 446 00:20:49,216 --> 00:20:50,916 Yup, we're kicking. 447 00:20:50,918 --> 00:20:52,317 We are accepting shares. 448 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:53,418 It is live. 449 00:20:53,420 --> 00:20:55,754 We've got the Merlot! 450 00:21:02,829 --> 00:21:04,463 Hey, that looks like Johan. 451 00:21:04,465 --> 00:21:07,633 Say, "I'm going to college 'cause my dad mines Bitcoins." 452 00:21:07,635 --> 00:21:10,435 Dad going Bitcoins. 453 00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:19,311 So, big day today, huh? 454 00:21:19,313 --> 00:21:21,847 Big day. Look at that. 104. 455 00:21:21,849 --> 00:21:24,182 Current Bitcoin price. Broke 100 today. 456 00:21:24,184 --> 00:21:27,819 It is April fool's day. 457 00:21:27,821 --> 00:21:31,089 The price rising so insanely high 458 00:21:31,091 --> 00:21:33,425 is kind of a little bit unprecedented, 459 00:21:33,427 --> 00:21:36,628 so-- I mean, it's bound to pop a little bit. 460 00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:38,730 Maybe. I don't know. 461 00:21:38,732 --> 00:21:40,932 Maybe it'll be at 225 in a week and a half, 462 00:21:40,934 --> 00:21:44,236 so who knows? Bitcoin styles-- 463 00:21:44,238 --> 00:21:46,038 Could go up, could go down. 464 00:21:52,412 --> 00:21:54,146 As the price passed 100, 465 00:21:54,148 --> 00:21:56,648 we took a trip to visit Gavin Andresen. 466 00:21:58,451 --> 00:22:00,919 He is known to have worked closely with Satoshi 467 00:22:00,921 --> 00:22:02,321 during Bitcoin's early days. 468 00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:11,763 Here's the train tracks, and he did say 469 00:22:11,765 --> 00:22:13,725 there would be train tracks maybe passing through. 470 00:22:16,402 --> 00:22:18,470 Here we go. This is Gavin's house. 471 00:22:24,477 --> 00:22:26,078 Gavin is one of the last people 472 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,447 to communicate with Satoshi before he disappeared. 473 00:22:31,617 --> 00:22:35,087 Morning. This is my brother Nick 474 00:22:35,089 --> 00:22:37,122 - and his wife Ashley. - Nice to meet you. 475 00:22:37,124 --> 00:22:38,623 - Hi, nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 476 00:22:38,625 --> 00:22:40,926 Found the place okay, so-- - good. 477 00:22:40,928 --> 00:22:43,128 We're very excited to be here. 478 00:22:43,130 --> 00:22:45,263 Come in. This is my humble house. 479 00:22:45,265 --> 00:22:48,333 - That's where I work. This is where I live. 480 00:22:51,471 --> 00:22:54,406 - Beautiful home. - Well, thanks. 481 00:22:54,408 --> 00:22:56,975 A little higher, please. Right there. Great. 482 00:22:56,977 --> 00:22:59,077 Got it. 483 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:01,313 How did you first get into Bitcoin? 484 00:23:01,315 --> 00:23:03,248 Tell us a little bit of the story of how you got involved. 485 00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:05,484 I had been working at UMass 486 00:23:05,486 --> 00:23:06,818 as a staff programmer 487 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:08,153 in the computer science 488 00:23:08,155 --> 00:23:09,654 department research group. 489 00:23:09,656 --> 00:23:11,990 My wife's a Professor at UMass. 490 00:23:11,992 --> 00:23:13,792 I actually quit that job before going 491 00:23:13,794 --> 00:23:16,228 on a six-month sabbatical in Australia. 492 00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:18,997 I just happened to read a little blurb 493 00:23:18,999 --> 00:23:21,133 online in somebody's blog 494 00:23:21,135 --> 00:23:23,268 that mentioned this Bitcoin project, 495 00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:26,037 which is an open-source attempt to do money. 496 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:28,039 And it caught my interest. 497 00:23:28,041 --> 00:23:31,943 I basically just spent a few days 498 00:23:31,945 --> 00:23:33,945 read everything I could about it 499 00:23:33,947 --> 00:23:36,348 looked at the source code, downloaded the source code, 500 00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:39,050 thought about it and I really couldn't convince myself 501 00:23:39,052 --> 00:23:40,919 that it would not work. 502 00:23:40,921 --> 00:23:42,921 It seemed like Satoshi had thought of everything. 503 00:23:44,424 --> 00:23:45,657 Since then... 504 00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:49,261 I've just been sucked down the rabbit hole. 505 00:23:49,263 --> 00:23:52,030 Bitcoin is open-source software. 506 00:23:52,032 --> 00:23:53,632 With open-source software, 507 00:23:53,634 --> 00:23:55,400 the code is publicly available. 508 00:23:55,402 --> 00:23:58,103 Anyone can look at it and see how it runs. 509 00:23:58,105 --> 00:24:00,639 And they can also contribute their own changes. 510 00:24:00,641 --> 00:24:04,276 Programmers like Gavin were able to join Satoshi to work on Bitcoin 511 00:24:04,278 --> 00:24:06,278 simply because they were interested. 512 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,748 Over time, I think Satoshi learned to trust me. 513 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:13,118 He could see that I didn't make very many stupid mistakes. 514 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,720 I never had any personal connection with Satoshi. 515 00:24:15,722 --> 00:24:17,489 It was always purely business. 516 00:24:17,491 --> 00:24:20,225 And I think that's because he was so worried about 517 00:24:20,227 --> 00:24:21,960 people finding out his identity. 518 00:24:21,962 --> 00:24:25,564 I don't know why. My last email to him 519 00:24:25,566 --> 00:24:27,265 was telling him that I had 520 00:24:27,267 --> 00:24:29,734 agreed to go visit the folks at the C.I.A., 521 00:24:29,736 --> 00:24:31,736 so... 522 00:24:31,738 --> 00:24:33,472 Whether that had something to do with him 523 00:24:33,474 --> 00:24:36,174 deciding to cut off communication with me entirely-- 524 00:24:36,176 --> 00:24:38,510 He had been pulling away before then, 525 00:24:38,512 --> 00:24:41,580 but the C.I.A. Invited me to come talk at the C.I.A. 526 00:24:41,582 --> 00:24:43,348 And I agreed to do that. 527 00:24:45,117 --> 00:24:46,651 Knowing it would surely spark 528 00:24:46,653 --> 00:24:49,120 conspiracy theories, Gavin posted an announcement 529 00:24:49,122 --> 00:24:51,122 on the Bitcoin talk discussion forum 530 00:24:51,124 --> 00:24:52,691 to head off any rumors. 531 00:25:00,366 --> 00:25:02,467 Having taken on the lead developer position 532 00:25:02,469 --> 00:25:04,636 since Satoshi's disappearance, 533 00:25:04,638 --> 00:25:07,939 Gavin found himself facing an increasing number of responsibilities 534 00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:09,608 and public scrutiny. 535 00:25:09,610 --> 00:25:12,043 Do your neighbors know that you're kind of at the center 536 00:25:12,045 --> 00:25:14,913 of one of the most disruptive technologies? 537 00:25:14,915 --> 00:25:19,050 I think-- I think they know that I do this wacky Bitcoin project. 538 00:25:20,953 --> 00:25:23,588 I don't think they know quite how big it is yet. 539 00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:25,624 Right now, 540 00:25:25,626 --> 00:25:28,393 Bitcoin's a billion-dollar project. 541 00:25:28,395 --> 00:25:30,896 When I started it was this tiny little experiment. 542 00:25:30,898 --> 00:25:32,931 And as it gets bigger, 543 00:25:32,933 --> 00:25:36,134 the pressure to not screw up 544 00:25:36,136 --> 00:25:38,503 just gets bigger and bigger. 545 00:25:42,808 --> 00:25:44,075 Two weeks later 546 00:25:44,077 --> 00:25:46,144 the price soared past 150. 547 00:25:46,146 --> 00:25:47,913 And some Bitcoiners woke up 548 00:25:47,915 --> 00:25:50,415 to find out they were Bitcoin millionaires. 549 00:25:50,417 --> 00:25:52,284 23-year-old Charlie Shrem 550 00:25:52,286 --> 00:25:54,920 is the C.E.O. of a company called Bitlnstant. 551 00:25:54,922 --> 00:25:59,090 Bitlnstant was one of the first startups in the Bitcoin space. 552 00:25:59,092 --> 00:26:01,259 In Bitcoin's infancy, people had to jump 553 00:26:01,261 --> 00:26:03,261 through several hoops to buy them. 554 00:26:03,263 --> 00:26:04,729 One of the only ways 555 00:26:04,731 --> 00:26:06,431 was through the Mt. Gox exchange, 556 00:26:06,433 --> 00:26:08,466 but this process required transferring money 557 00:26:08,468 --> 00:26:09,801 through several intermediaries 558 00:26:09,803 --> 00:26:11,770 and could take weeks. 559 00:26:11,772 --> 00:26:14,973 Charlie launched Bitlnstant to streamline this process. 560 00:26:14,975 --> 00:26:17,709 And to help people buy Bitcoins quickly. 561 00:26:17,711 --> 00:26:20,078 Yeah, that's good. That's great. 562 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,746 - That's pretty nice. - You go like that. 563 00:26:21,748 --> 00:26:23,481 Yeah, sure. 564 00:26:23,483 --> 00:26:25,150 Today Charlie is being photographed 565 00:26:25,152 --> 00:26:26,885 for an article in "Businessweek." 566 00:26:26,887 --> 00:26:28,587 One of the ideas they had 567 00:26:28,589 --> 00:26:30,488 was that you're going-- Throwing stuff up in the air 568 00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:32,524 and they were gonna add Bitcoins in later on. 569 00:26:32,526 --> 00:26:34,259 - Going like that? - Yeah. 570 00:26:34,261 --> 00:26:37,929 This Bitcoin thing can actually change the world. 571 00:26:37,931 --> 00:26:40,098 But for this thing to succeed, 572 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:41,700 we have to figure out a way to get more money 573 00:26:41,702 --> 00:26:43,735 in and out of the ecosystem. 574 00:26:43,737 --> 00:26:46,705 Look out the window a bit. Totally-- yeah. 575 00:26:46,707 --> 00:26:48,406 Then you can look-- Yeah, that's good. 576 00:26:48,408 --> 00:26:50,508 And not show that I'm super stressed out right now 577 00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:53,244 and we have thousands of orders that are being processed 578 00:26:53,246 --> 00:26:55,947 and I'm bugging out, trying to get the new site launched. 579 00:26:55,949 --> 00:26:58,183 - No, don't look like that. - It's crazy. 580 00:26:58,185 --> 00:26:59,918 I'm trying not to, but it's really hard. 581 00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:06,992 Things have been insane. 582 00:27:09,730 --> 00:27:12,764 I haven't slept in days. 583 00:27:12,766 --> 00:27:14,866 The price is just rising, so a lot of people 584 00:27:14,868 --> 00:27:16,001 are putting money into it. 585 00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:18,970 Normally, Charlie can get Bitcoins 586 00:27:18,972 --> 00:27:21,239 to his customers in about an hour. 587 00:27:21,241 --> 00:27:22,774 But with the recent flood of people 588 00:27:22,776 --> 00:27:24,442 trying to purchase Bitcoins, 589 00:27:24,444 --> 00:27:27,946 Bitlnstant can't fill their orders fast enough. 590 00:27:27,948 --> 00:27:30,749 When I pulled up our customer service interface, 591 00:27:30,751 --> 00:27:33,418 we have close to 2,000 open tickets. 592 00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:36,321 And that's just from Saturday to this morning. 593 00:27:36,323 --> 00:27:37,622 Nobody was ready 594 00:27:37,624 --> 00:27:38,757 for this kind of volume, 595 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,426 so we're trying to catch up 596 00:27:41,428 --> 00:27:44,396 with the volume and keep everybody happy. 597 00:27:44,398 --> 00:27:46,464 Man on phone: Can you just sort of describe quickly 598 00:27:46,466 --> 00:27:49,734 what the last week or so has been like for you guys? 599 00:27:49,736 --> 00:27:52,604 The last week or so saw our support staff 600 00:27:52,606 --> 00:27:54,639 go from two people to five people. 601 00:27:54,641 --> 00:27:55,740 When someone offers you 602 00:27:55,742 --> 00:27:56,941 a seat on the rocket, 603 00:27:56,943 --> 00:27:58,309 you don't ask where the seat is. 604 00:27:58,311 --> 00:27:59,978 You just get on the rocket. 605 00:27:59,980 --> 00:28:03,481 Further, our volume has basically tripled 606 00:28:03,483 --> 00:28:05,750 in the past two weeks, 607 00:28:05,752 --> 00:28:08,219 going from a few hundred transactions a day 608 00:28:08,221 --> 00:28:11,289 to now two, three thousand transactions a day. 609 00:28:11,291 --> 00:28:12,791 - You just came onboard here, right? - Yeah, I did. 610 00:28:12,793 --> 00:28:14,959 Actually, today is kinda my first day. 611 00:28:14,961 --> 00:28:16,561 - Oh really? - Yeah. 612 00:28:16,563 --> 00:28:18,430 How does it feel to be a part of all this madness? 613 00:28:18,432 --> 00:28:20,899 Um, well, madness, yeah. 614 00:28:20,901 --> 00:28:22,967 It's overwhelming. 615 00:28:22,969 --> 00:28:25,070 And what do you do for Bitlnstant? 616 00:28:25,072 --> 00:28:27,038 I'm the C.F.O. 617 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,441 Man on phone: Can you give me a daily estimate 618 00:28:29,443 --> 00:28:31,609 of how much money you're moving through your system? 619 00:28:31,611 --> 00:28:33,712 Um, it's in the-- 620 00:28:33,714 --> 00:28:36,047 In the six figures every day. 621 00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:37,515 All right. Well, thanks, Charlie. 622 00:28:37,517 --> 00:28:39,451 - I really appreciate it. - Thank you. 623 00:28:39,453 --> 00:28:43,088 I don't know how the government will react to Bitcoin, 624 00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:46,291 but I spend thousands of dollars on lawyers every day 625 00:28:46,293 --> 00:28:48,253 just to make sure that I'm not gonna go to jail. 626 00:28:50,096 --> 00:28:52,697 It's super terrifying. I mean, I don't wanna go to jail. 627 00:28:54,801 --> 00:28:56,301 I don't wanna become a martyr either. 628 00:29:08,115 --> 00:29:10,248 Bitcoin was the talk of the town. 629 00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:12,150 Charlie was in the limelight 630 00:29:12,152 --> 00:29:14,953 and could barely keep up with media requests. 631 00:29:14,955 --> 00:29:18,089 Within hours, the price passed $200. 632 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:25,563 First day of spring, 633 00:29:25,565 --> 00:29:27,198 first day Bitcoin is over 200. 634 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,633 The start of a new era. 635 00:29:28,635 --> 00:29:29,968 Hi. Nice to meet you. 636 00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:31,703 I'm the nice warm loving mom 637 00:29:31,705 --> 00:29:34,072 that makes him live at home. 638 00:29:34,074 --> 00:29:38,209 'Cause we can't-- We can't part from him yet. 639 00:29:39,780 --> 00:29:42,080 We love him too much. 640 00:29:42,082 --> 00:29:43,915 This is where it all started 641 00:29:43,917 --> 00:29:45,357 and this is where it still goes down. 642 00:29:46,886 --> 00:29:49,420 I've been collecting money from all over the world. 643 00:29:49,422 --> 00:29:51,556 And it's just something I did way before Bitcoin. 644 00:29:51,558 --> 00:29:53,024 I've been doing it since I was a kid. 645 00:29:53,026 --> 00:29:54,893 So it's funny that I'm collecting all this... 646 00:29:54,895 --> 00:29:56,761 Fiat that's not worth anything 647 00:29:56,763 --> 00:29:58,930 and then all of a sudden I get into this Bitcoin thing. 648 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,934 I realized during high school that 649 00:30:02,936 --> 00:30:05,203 I could never work for anyone. 650 00:30:05,205 --> 00:30:06,604 I made up a term-- 651 00:30:06,606 --> 00:30:08,573 Psychologically unemployable. 652 00:30:08,575 --> 00:30:10,842 I started Bitlnstant while I was still 653 00:30:10,844 --> 00:30:12,844 in my senior year of college. 654 00:30:12,846 --> 00:30:17,182 Bitcoin currently is the largest social-economic experiment 655 00:30:17,184 --> 00:30:19,184 ever conducted in the history of the world. 656 00:30:19,186 --> 00:30:22,287 2013, possibly 2014, 657 00:30:22,289 --> 00:30:24,622 will be the two years that really make or break Bitcoin. 658 00:30:26,859 --> 00:30:29,894 Bitcoin is the first product that's digital, 659 00:30:29,896 --> 00:30:31,262 but it's also scarce. 660 00:30:34,466 --> 00:30:37,302 I got some good news last night that 661 00:30:37,304 --> 00:30:39,571 part of our licensing deals that we've been trying to do 662 00:30:39,573 --> 00:30:41,039 for the past few months are finally, 663 00:30:41,041 --> 00:30:42,540 hopefully, coming through. 664 00:30:42,542 --> 00:30:44,809 We got approved to be licensed 665 00:30:44,811 --> 00:30:47,345 in 30 of the 48 states in money transmission. 666 00:30:49,281 --> 00:30:51,449 I've been working very hard on trying to be compliant 667 00:30:51,451 --> 00:30:52,951 in the legal realm 668 00:30:52,953 --> 00:30:55,787 and with FinCEN's announcement, 669 00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:58,923 setting up a way for Bitcoin companies to legally exist, 670 00:30:58,925 --> 00:31:01,292 that really changes the whole game of Bitcoin. 671 00:31:01,294 --> 00:31:05,230 And for us, it helped us get that last push 672 00:31:05,232 --> 00:31:06,898 that we needed from all the banks 673 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:08,867 and the regulators to finally, hopefully, 674 00:31:08,869 --> 00:31:10,335 get that licensing that we need. 675 00:31:13,405 --> 00:31:16,040 Today, Charlie's meeting with a realtor 676 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:17,742 to talk about new office space. 677 00:31:17,744 --> 00:31:19,911 Hi, Charlie, nice to meet you. 678 00:31:19,913 --> 00:31:21,746 - Hi, I'm Mitch Waldman. How are you? - A pleasure. 679 00:31:21,748 --> 00:31:24,249 - Got a minute? - I have 10 minutes for you. 680 00:31:24,251 --> 00:31:26,918 We're-- we're a company with no boss, essentially. 681 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,553 Everyone has their responsibilities. 682 00:31:28,555 --> 00:31:30,388 It's just one big executive board. 683 00:31:30,390 --> 00:31:31,923 - It's just one big executive board. - Okay. 684 00:31:31,925 --> 00:31:34,859 If I don't do my job, these guys are all gonna yell at me. 685 00:31:34,861 --> 00:31:37,362 So that's how we do it, but we get things done. - Waldman: All right. 686 00:31:37,364 --> 00:31:39,297 We're outgrowing this space, as you can see here. 687 00:31:39,299 --> 00:31:41,933 - That's a good problem to have. - Yes. 688 00:31:41,935 --> 00:31:43,935 Now Rachel said there was a great concern 689 00:31:43,937 --> 00:31:46,070 - about security in this space. - Yeah. 690 00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:48,673 We're regulated, so we can't share an office 691 00:31:48,675 --> 00:31:50,675 - with another company if they have access to us. - I get that. 692 00:31:50,677 --> 00:31:53,077 Our asset is our software. 693 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,847 Our software is processing hundreds of thousands of dollars a day 694 00:31:55,849 --> 00:31:57,448 instantly. Really quickly. 695 00:31:57,450 --> 00:31:59,684 And that's on-site here? Or is it in the cloud? 696 00:31:59,686 --> 00:32:01,552 No, this is in the cloud. It's all in the cloud, but we monitor-- 697 00:32:01,554 --> 00:32:03,288 We have to monitor everything from here... 698 00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:05,790 Right. -...And debug, fix, take down, upload more-- 699 00:32:05,792 --> 00:32:08,760 - Put up more workers. - We deal with high-volume data-oriented stuff every day. 700 00:32:08,762 --> 00:32:10,295 Very very sensitive customer data. 701 00:32:10,297 --> 00:32:12,764 If there were not a doorman, 702 00:32:12,766 --> 00:32:15,099 at the very least the space would be designed in such a manner 703 00:32:15,101 --> 00:32:18,036 that there'd be a locked reception area. 704 00:32:18,038 --> 00:32:20,204 If we want to pursue a guard at some point, 705 00:32:20,206 --> 00:32:22,874 we could have them in that area. 706 00:32:22,876 --> 00:32:24,709 I absolutely think 707 00:32:24,711 --> 00:32:27,311 - It will be at some point. It's just a matter of time. - Really? 708 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,948 The potential for theft is huge. 709 00:32:29,950 --> 00:32:32,383 It's like operating a bank, essentially. 710 00:32:32,385 --> 00:32:33,785 That's pretty much it. 711 00:32:33,787 --> 00:32:35,420 - Gotcha. - It's basic stuff. 712 00:32:35,422 --> 00:32:37,522 Yup yup. All right. 713 00:32:37,524 --> 00:32:39,123 Any other words for me? 714 00:32:41,694 --> 00:32:43,995 - Okay. - Are you willing to handle the task? 715 00:32:47,032 --> 00:32:48,967 Sign me up, captain. 716 00:32:51,603 --> 00:32:56,007 That night, the price got as high as $266. 717 00:32:56,009 --> 00:32:58,776 Every major news outlet had taken notice. 718 00:32:58,778 --> 00:33:00,845 Bitcoin fever was at an all-time high. 719 00:33:00,847 --> 00:33:02,613 It is getting a lot of attention. 720 00:33:02,615 --> 00:33:04,682 People are fascinated by anything that makes new highs 721 00:33:04,684 --> 00:33:07,085 every day for weeks on end, which Bitcoin has done. 722 00:33:07,087 --> 00:33:08,353 In terms of the total number of the people 723 00:33:08,355 --> 00:33:10,088 using the currency, I'm not sure, 724 00:33:10,090 --> 00:33:11,589 but you can say that there's a huge amount 725 00:33:11,591 --> 00:33:14,492 of fluctuation in the volume of trading. 726 00:33:14,494 --> 00:33:16,928 And then the price crashed. 727 00:33:22,835 --> 00:33:24,902 Bitcoin lost more than half of its value 728 00:33:24,904 --> 00:33:26,537 in six hours. 729 00:33:26,539 --> 00:33:29,207 From craze to crash. 730 00:33:29,209 --> 00:33:32,243 It's the talk of many people in the blogosphere, 731 00:33:32,245 --> 00:33:35,246 and it's certainly suffering some growing pains. 732 00:33:35,248 --> 00:33:39,017 The value of the virtual currency Bitcoin has plunged. 733 00:33:39,019 --> 00:33:40,118 It's been a crazy day today. 734 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,253 I haven't slept in like 40 hours. 735 00:33:44,857 --> 00:33:47,125 Your order processed. I don't understand 736 00:33:47,127 --> 00:33:48,526 why we're still having this conversation. 737 00:33:48,528 --> 00:33:51,062 We refunded your order. We sent you extra Bitcoins. 738 00:33:51,064 --> 00:33:52,397 I don't care, man. 739 00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:54,565 When it comes to my money, I don't fuck around. 740 00:33:54,567 --> 00:33:55,900 I know, man. You need your stuff. 741 00:33:55,902 --> 00:33:57,635 I hear ya, I hear ya. It processed. 742 00:33:57,637 --> 00:33:59,203 Your Bitcoins are there, man. 743 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,041 So, Charlie, what's been going on today? 744 00:34:03,043 --> 00:34:05,410 - Crazy day, huh? - Yeah, Mt. Gox-- 745 00:34:05,412 --> 00:34:08,212 Their whole system pretty much failed 746 00:34:08,214 --> 00:34:10,448 and their whole trading engine is broken. 747 00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:14,619 Pretty much caused-- almost-- Us to shut down for the day. 748 00:34:14,621 --> 00:34:16,754 Further, the Bitcoin price has just been 749 00:34:16,756 --> 00:34:18,056 wildly swinging up and down 750 00:34:18,058 --> 00:34:20,358 it was down $100 today. 751 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,394 It's gaining back up, but mostly because people can't buy and sell 752 00:34:23,396 --> 00:34:25,196 and they can't withdraw and they can't deposit. 753 00:34:25,198 --> 00:34:27,899 'Cause the whole thing is just-- it's just a Fritz. 754 00:34:27,901 --> 00:34:30,201 So what we're trying to do is figure out a way 755 00:34:30,203 --> 00:34:32,770 to mitigate orders somewhere else for now. 756 00:34:32,772 --> 00:34:35,106 With Mt. Gox stuck in a nosedive, 757 00:34:35,108 --> 00:34:38,376 the ripple effect is creating chaos in the Bitcoin Markets. 758 00:34:42,414 --> 00:34:43,848 I'm trying to figure out 759 00:34:43,850 --> 00:34:46,117 why our orders aren't going through. 760 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:47,718 Rachel, am I allowed to take another Advil 761 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:49,554 if I took one an hour ago? 762 00:34:49,556 --> 00:34:52,623 They've been having problems ordering anything off of Gox. 763 00:34:52,625 --> 00:34:54,859 Yeah, I'm getting a lot of customers emailing, 764 00:34:54,861 --> 00:34:57,028 saying "it says 'executed, ' but it's not showing in the blockchain." 765 00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:58,563 Dude, Gox suspended trading. 766 00:34:58,565 --> 00:34:59,831 - Really? - Yeah. 767 00:34:59,833 --> 00:35:01,732 "Orders placed suspended until 2100." 768 00:35:01,734 --> 00:35:03,167 What time-- What's 2100? 769 00:35:03,169 --> 00:35:05,503 What? That's 9:00 P.M. oh my God. 770 00:35:19,718 --> 00:35:20,985 If you bought at 150... 771 00:35:22,054 --> 00:35:24,288 And then you're at 260, 772 00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:27,225 and then you watch it dip down back to 150, 773 00:35:27,227 --> 00:35:29,227 do you panic some? Yeah, absolutely. 774 00:35:29,229 --> 00:35:31,095 I don't know what a Bitcoin is. I just bought it. 775 00:35:32,899 --> 00:35:34,732 Fuck. 776 00:35:34,734 --> 00:35:36,234 You see buy orders, people buying 777 00:35:36,236 --> 00:35:39,537 and selling at such a wide range. 778 00:35:39,539 --> 00:35:41,372 It doesn't make any sense. 779 00:35:41,374 --> 00:35:43,574 The a.P.I. Is just constantly failing? 780 00:35:43,576 --> 00:35:46,056 Is that what's going on? Or are we're not getting any orders. 781 00:35:54,921 --> 00:35:57,021 Don't care about the price. 782 00:35:57,023 --> 00:35:58,856 Speculators can play musical chairs 783 00:35:58,858 --> 00:36:00,558 all day long for all I care. 784 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,660 I'm-I'm-- I'm long. 785 00:36:04,963 --> 00:36:07,932 I was focused on expanding my mining operation. 786 00:36:09,868 --> 00:36:12,069 The only people that are gonna be shaken out 787 00:36:12,071 --> 00:36:13,905 by this drop 788 00:36:13,907 --> 00:36:16,340 are people that are new to Bitcoin. 789 00:36:16,342 --> 00:36:19,177 Here's the Avalons, spinning away, 790 00:36:19,179 --> 00:36:20,711 mining away. 791 00:36:20,713 --> 00:36:22,847 And if everything goes as planned, 792 00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:24,749 we'll have 18 more of these guys 793 00:36:24,751 --> 00:36:27,084 in a couple of weeks. 794 00:36:27,086 --> 00:36:29,053 Bitcoin is a complicated thing. 795 00:36:29,055 --> 00:36:30,588 You have to spend some time looking into it 796 00:36:30,590 --> 00:36:32,557 and understanding it before you really care. 797 00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,092 Now there's droves of people that-- 798 00:36:35,094 --> 00:36:37,028 You know, are giving it more than just that glance, 799 00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:39,230 because the price has gone so high. 800 00:36:39,232 --> 00:36:42,066 And they have dollar signs in their eyes like Uncle scrooge. 801 00:36:42,068 --> 00:36:44,335 It's so much more than that, 802 00:36:44,337 --> 00:36:46,337 and I think that's why the people who are mining 803 00:36:46,339 --> 00:36:48,072 and the people who believe in it 804 00:36:48,074 --> 00:36:49,674 are just kind of holding strong. 805 00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:55,213 When trading resumed at Mt. Gox, 806 00:36:55,215 --> 00:36:58,416 the price fell even further, to around $70. 807 00:36:58,418 --> 00:37:00,851 71 on B.T.C.-E. 808 00:37:04,456 --> 00:37:06,357 Yeah, Bitcoin-- It's volatile. 809 00:37:06,359 --> 00:37:09,794 It's gonna be a long time until we have stability. 810 00:37:09,796 --> 00:37:11,062 That's the nature of the beast. 811 00:37:11,064 --> 00:37:15,199 Price discovery can be violent and volatile. 812 00:37:15,201 --> 00:37:18,436 There's gonna be a lot of people that come and go, 813 00:37:18,438 --> 00:37:20,638 and people that scream wolf. 814 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,406 But at the end of the day, 815 00:37:22,408 --> 00:37:25,243 the only thing that really kind of stinks right now 816 00:37:25,245 --> 00:37:27,878 is that everybody is trading on one platform 817 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,780 that isn't doing the greatest job, so... 818 00:37:29,782 --> 00:37:33,784 Over time, hopefully we'll see some more exchanges pop up 819 00:37:33,786 --> 00:37:35,419 and get some more options in. 820 00:37:35,421 --> 00:37:37,288 People wanna keep using Bitcoin, 821 00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:39,590 I'm sure the infrastructure will come. 822 00:38:00,379 --> 00:38:01,946 It's just gotten ridiculously busy. 823 00:38:03,515 --> 00:38:05,416 I get an email every two seconds now 824 00:38:05,418 --> 00:38:08,552 and pretty much more email than I-- - 825 00:38:08,554 --> 00:38:10,521 --Than I can keep up with. 826 00:38:10,523 --> 00:38:13,691 Jered Kenna is the C.E.O. Of Tradehill. 827 00:38:13,693 --> 00:38:15,760 The first U.S.-based Bitcoin exchange 828 00:38:15,762 --> 00:38:17,762 to compete with Mt. Gox. 829 00:38:17,764 --> 00:38:19,930 He's also on the list of Bitcoin millionaires. 830 00:38:21,433 --> 00:38:23,367 This is Finnegan right here. 831 00:38:23,369 --> 00:38:25,369 Guard dog. Hey, Finnegan. 832 00:38:27,173 --> 00:38:29,006 Jered runs Tradehill 833 00:38:29,008 --> 00:38:31,042 out of a 41-bedroom residential hotel 834 00:38:31,044 --> 00:38:33,411 called 20 mission that he also owns. 835 00:38:40,419 --> 00:38:43,020 We mostly rent out rooms to tech people, startup people. 836 00:38:43,022 --> 00:38:44,522 There's a lot of Bitcoiners. 837 00:38:44,524 --> 00:38:46,190 I actually accept rent in Bitcoin, 838 00:38:46,192 --> 00:38:48,192 which is great, because we have a lot of international people. 839 00:38:51,097 --> 00:38:53,931 * Bitcoin! * 840 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,769 * Came to us from the cryptogram * 841 00:38:58,771 --> 00:39:02,340 * It came out of thin air * 842 00:39:02,342 --> 00:39:05,710 * It saved us from those nasty dollars * 843 00:39:05,712 --> 00:39:07,311 * And won and yen * 844 00:39:09,281 --> 00:39:11,282 * Bitcoin. * 845 00:39:11,284 --> 00:39:13,384 That's all I got. I'm done. 846 00:39:16,221 --> 00:39:18,089 Digital currency is gonna happen. 847 00:39:18,091 --> 00:39:20,558 I mean, it's-- it already is happening, 848 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,594 and it will be the future, 849 00:39:23,596 --> 00:39:25,363 whether that's now, 850 00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:27,498 10 years from now, a hundred years from now. 851 00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:29,667 We're going to be using digital currencies 852 00:39:29,669 --> 00:39:31,635 that don't depend on fiat government. 853 00:39:31,637 --> 00:39:36,006 Jered originally launched Tradehill about two years ago, 854 00:39:36,008 --> 00:39:37,842 but ran into problems with a payment processor 855 00:39:37,844 --> 00:39:39,443 and was forced to shut down. 856 00:39:41,012 --> 00:39:43,047 Recently he met Ryan singer 857 00:39:43,049 --> 00:39:45,583 and together they are relaunching the exchange. 858 00:39:45,585 --> 00:39:46,717 The business we're in is 859 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,185 helping people speculate, right? 860 00:39:48,187 --> 00:39:49,754 Markets are 861 00:39:49,756 --> 00:39:51,422 price discovery mechanisms. 862 00:39:51,424 --> 00:39:52,690 That's what they're for. 863 00:39:52,692 --> 00:39:54,825 People-- They buy, they sell, 864 00:39:54,827 --> 00:39:56,394 there's the bid, there's the ask 865 00:39:56,396 --> 00:39:59,363 and the price moves. And when it levels out, 866 00:39:59,365 --> 00:40:01,265 then that's what the Market price is. 867 00:40:01,267 --> 00:40:03,534 I can't even count the amount of people that have said, 868 00:40:03,536 --> 00:40:05,069 "Bitcoin's not backed by anything. 869 00:40:05,071 --> 00:40:06,937 At least dollars are backed by gold." 870 00:40:06,939 --> 00:40:09,240 I've realized that a lot of people believe that. 871 00:40:10,876 --> 00:40:12,610 My grandfather, he got me into investing 872 00:40:12,612 --> 00:40:13,944 when I was a kid. I was five years old. 873 00:40:13,946 --> 00:40:15,780 I could explain a p/e ratio, 874 00:40:15,782 --> 00:40:18,115 and what a bid and an ask was, 875 00:40:18,117 --> 00:40:19,884 and the difference between a limit order and a Market order 876 00:40:19,886 --> 00:40:21,285 and all that stuff, so for me, 877 00:40:21,287 --> 00:40:23,220 I saw this as a way that the average person 878 00:40:23,222 --> 00:40:24,955 could actually take control of their finances. 879 00:40:24,957 --> 00:40:27,358 I just grew up pretty nerdy. 880 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,428 I don't know. Then like at 15 years old, 881 00:40:30,430 --> 00:40:32,129 I decided I didn't want to be a nerd anymore, 882 00:40:32,131 --> 00:40:35,366 which was a mistake... 'Cause... 883 00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:38,702 'Cause now I realize it's pretty awesome. 884 00:40:40,472 --> 00:40:43,073 In 1999 I joined the marines. 885 00:40:43,075 --> 00:40:45,443 I was originally with an engineering unit. 886 00:40:46,845 --> 00:40:48,712 2005, I went over to Afghanistan. 887 00:40:48,714 --> 00:40:51,182 I was mostly working with the Afghan national army. 888 00:40:51,184 --> 00:40:53,317 It changed me a lot as a person. 889 00:40:55,987 --> 00:40:57,755 I've always been interested in economics 890 00:40:57,757 --> 00:40:59,924 and finance and technology and cryptography. 891 00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:02,927 I was in a cryptography forum 892 00:41:02,929 --> 00:41:05,095 and somebody I'd never met-- Who was anonymously 893 00:41:05,097 --> 00:41:06,597 in this forum that I was chatting with-- 894 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,065 Sent me 10,000 Bitcoins 895 00:41:08,067 --> 00:41:10,267 just as a way to test the system out 896 00:41:10,269 --> 00:41:11,836 and see how it worked, and I got 'em. 897 00:41:11,838 --> 00:41:13,571 I'm like, "that's cool, but what can I do with them?" 898 00:41:13,573 --> 00:41:16,040 And he said, "well, nothing yet, but... 899 00:41:16,042 --> 00:41:18,442 If people believe it has value, it will." 900 00:41:18,444 --> 00:41:21,412 At the time, there was really only one Bitcoin exchange 901 00:41:21,414 --> 00:41:24,014 it was Mt. Gox. I said, "we need an alternative. 902 00:41:24,016 --> 00:41:26,016 Who cares if the technology is decentralized 903 00:41:26,018 --> 00:41:27,551 and the method of transfer is decentralized 904 00:41:27,553 --> 00:41:29,186 and the people are decentralized 905 00:41:29,188 --> 00:41:31,155 if all the trades are in the same location?" 906 00:41:31,157 --> 00:41:33,657 I thought that building another exchange 907 00:41:33,659 --> 00:41:35,092 to give more people access to Bitcoin 908 00:41:35,094 --> 00:41:38,028 would be a key part of Bitcoin's growth. 909 00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:41,098 The day we launched, we got a quarter-million dollars in from user deposits. 910 00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:44,368 And we said, "oh shit, this is-- this is real. 911 00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:45,569 Yeah. 912 00:41:46,605 --> 00:41:48,072 Hey. 913 00:41:49,941 --> 00:41:52,009 We're all fans of "The Big Lebowski," 914 00:41:52,011 --> 00:41:54,445 so we're gonna have a "Big Lebowski" party. 915 00:41:54,447 --> 00:41:55,980 Nice! 916 00:41:57,616 --> 00:42:01,085 It's a... Very exciting day. 917 00:42:01,087 --> 00:42:04,855 30 gallons of white Russian and hallway bowling. 918 00:42:04,857 --> 00:42:08,225 Yeah! 919 00:42:08,227 --> 00:42:10,594 We work hard, but we party hard too. 920 00:42:10,596 --> 00:42:13,163 Okay. Okay, I'm good. 921 00:42:13,165 --> 00:42:15,266 - All right. - I'm good. I'm not dead. 922 00:42:20,872 --> 00:42:22,673 Yeah, I'm the first one in the house... 923 00:42:24,042 --> 00:42:26,844 That opened a Tradehill account. 924 00:42:50,802 --> 00:42:52,403 What happened? 925 00:42:54,873 --> 00:42:56,574 In the same day they went down to 90-- 926 00:42:56,576 --> 00:42:59,710 $65 or something, or $90 a Bitcoin. 927 00:42:59,712 --> 00:43:02,947 I stopped smiling. 928 00:43:11,356 --> 00:43:14,024 Tradehill, round two, we optimized for success. 929 00:43:14,026 --> 00:43:15,993 We launched expecting to have to do 930 00:43:15,995 --> 00:43:17,835 hundreds of thousands of transactions a second. 931 00:43:19,397 --> 00:43:21,599 Right now we've got about 15 people 932 00:43:21,601 --> 00:43:24,535 in addition to that, we've got about eight attorneys externally. 933 00:43:24,537 --> 00:43:26,737 A lot of people are depositing dollars. 934 00:43:26,739 --> 00:43:28,706 A lot of people are depositing Bitcoin. We're getting more trading. 935 00:43:28,708 --> 00:43:30,608 We're pushing that from a business perspective. 936 00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:32,276 Also, we're talking to people 937 00:43:32,278 --> 00:43:34,678 who want to do more automated trading on our platform. 938 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,747 Get robots trading against each other. 939 00:43:36,749 --> 00:43:38,082 We've stress tested this 940 00:43:38,084 --> 00:43:42,419 and we can handle about 500 times as much volume 941 00:43:42,421 --> 00:43:44,054 as Mt. Gox was seeing. 942 00:43:44,056 --> 00:43:45,956 So we'll see what happens here. 943 00:43:45,958 --> 00:43:48,892 The interest in us is pretty crazy. 944 00:43:48,894 --> 00:43:51,729 Just the news with Bitcoin 945 00:43:51,731 --> 00:43:54,398 has really kind of validated everything. 946 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,600 Now people are like, "oh, you're not this crazy person 947 00:43:56,602 --> 00:43:58,736 talking about some digital made-up currency." 948 00:43:58,738 --> 00:44:01,605 It's like, "oh, I've read about it in 'the wall street journal' 949 00:44:01,607 --> 00:44:03,273 and 'the New York times.' It's real." 950 00:44:03,275 --> 00:44:05,409 We had an investor come in 951 00:44:05,411 --> 00:44:07,311 and he said, "hey, I really appreciate 952 00:44:07,313 --> 00:44:09,647 your scrappy nature and how you're hustling, 953 00:44:09,649 --> 00:44:12,383 but I think it's time for you guys to spend 30 grand a month on rent. 954 00:44:12,385 --> 00:44:14,985 When you have a billionaire client 955 00:44:14,987 --> 00:44:16,387 and they want to come check out your office 956 00:44:16,389 --> 00:44:18,589 before they send you a multi-million dollar wire, 957 00:44:18,591 --> 00:44:20,691 asking them to walk past pawn shops 958 00:44:20,693 --> 00:44:22,660 is not always the right feel. 959 00:44:26,731 --> 00:44:29,667 So we're leaving the mission. We're driving into Soma right now. 960 00:44:29,669 --> 00:44:33,504 We're gonna go take a look at what may be our new office space 961 00:44:33,506 --> 00:44:35,906 pretty prestigious address-- One Market. 962 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,248 Right now we're trying to forge this path, 963 00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:46,417 and we're trying to comply with existing laws 964 00:44:46,419 --> 00:44:48,018 and anticipate future laws, 965 00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:51,255 which is extremely expensive and extremely difficult. 966 00:44:51,257 --> 00:44:52,690 - Is there parking here? - Yes. 967 00:44:52,692 --> 00:44:54,224 Okay, is that included with-- 968 00:44:54,226 --> 00:44:56,160 Of course. 969 00:44:56,162 --> 00:44:58,562 Right, what does that-- how much does-- - 970 00:44:58,564 --> 00:44:59,596 How much does that cost? 971 00:45:02,534 --> 00:45:03,534 That's not terrible. 972 00:45:04,903 --> 00:45:06,437 Whoa. 973 00:45:06,439 --> 00:45:08,338 That's pretty sexy. 974 00:45:11,009 --> 00:45:12,676 Twitter was here for over a year. 975 00:45:12,678 --> 00:45:15,145 - Yeah. - Amazon comes and go every single year. 976 00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:17,381 - Oh, fantastic. - I have Macy's, I have J.C. Penney. 977 00:45:17,383 --> 00:45:19,349 All the big ones, they come over. 978 00:45:19,351 --> 00:45:20,391 They are part of the club. 979 00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:27,224 Sounds good. We'll be here tomorrow. 980 00:45:27,226 --> 00:45:28,325 - Picking it up. - Thank you for the business. 981 00:45:28,327 --> 00:45:29,259 - Thank you. - I appreciate it. 982 00:45:29,261 --> 00:45:31,161 Thanks so much. 983 00:45:31,163 --> 00:45:32,830 - We move in tomorrow. - Just like-- 984 00:45:32,832 --> 00:45:34,398 - just like that, huh? - Just like that. 985 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,933 - That's how we roll. - It's pretty surprising 986 00:45:35,935 --> 00:45:37,234 that that deal just happened so quickly. 987 00:45:37,236 --> 00:45:38,836 What was it? You just liked the space 988 00:45:38,838 --> 00:45:39,970 and decided, "hey, there's no point in waiting"? 989 00:45:39,972 --> 00:45:42,039 We like the space, we like the address. 990 00:45:42,041 --> 00:45:43,741 We just don't have the time to spend either. 991 00:45:43,743 --> 00:45:45,342 We've got all kinds of important stuff we're working on 992 00:45:45,344 --> 00:45:48,011 and if we spend a week trying to find an office, 993 00:45:48,013 --> 00:45:49,780 and he and I put 20 hours into it 994 00:45:49,782 --> 00:45:52,049 or 50 hours into it, it's a huge waste of time. 995 00:46:10,869 --> 00:46:13,670 I thought they'd be in multiple bags 996 00:46:13,672 --> 00:46:15,739 rather than one big one, but hey... 997 00:46:21,479 --> 00:46:25,015 I believe that Bitcoin will do to the banking industry 998 00:46:25,017 --> 00:46:26,650 what email did to the postal service. 999 00:46:27,685 --> 00:46:29,253 It didn't make it irrelevant, 1000 00:46:29,255 --> 00:46:31,889 what it's forced the post office to do 1001 00:46:31,891 --> 00:46:33,757 is concentrate on their strengths 1002 00:46:33,759 --> 00:46:36,593 and less so on their weaknesses. 1003 00:46:36,595 --> 00:46:38,662 Mike Caldwell is the creator 1004 00:46:38,664 --> 00:46:39,730 of physical Bitcoins, 1005 00:46:39,732 --> 00:46:41,732 known as Casascius coins. 1006 00:46:41,734 --> 00:46:43,267 They're often featured 1007 00:46:43,269 --> 00:46:45,602 in mainstream media coverage of Bitcoin. 1008 00:46:45,604 --> 00:46:47,404 They're a novelty item, 1009 00:46:47,406 --> 00:46:49,106 collectables that basically act 1010 00:46:49,108 --> 00:46:51,608 as physical carriers for Bitcoins. 1011 00:46:51,610 --> 00:46:53,577 But they do something very important. 1012 00:46:53,579 --> 00:46:56,413 They give Bitcoin a face. 1013 00:46:56,415 --> 00:46:58,115 Come on in. 1014 00:47:00,752 --> 00:47:02,186 Sorry, the kids are sleeping, 1015 00:47:02,188 --> 00:47:05,122 so I'm just being quiet so we don't-- you know. 1016 00:47:05,124 --> 00:47:08,158 Each coin has its own Bitcoin address. 1017 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,060 And the private key required to spend it 1018 00:47:10,062 --> 00:47:12,229 is hidden underneath the hologram. 1019 00:47:12,231 --> 00:47:14,398 This is where you make the physical Bitcoin. 1020 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,067 Yeah. It's a random smattering of things, 1021 00:47:17,069 --> 00:47:19,236 but I'm pretty careful about the way I manage-- 1022 00:47:19,238 --> 00:47:20,404 You know, the-- 1023 00:47:20,406 --> 00:47:22,406 Basically, this is the credentials. 1024 00:47:22,408 --> 00:47:25,342 This is the hologram and the private keys. 1025 00:47:25,344 --> 00:47:27,511 I'm pretty careful about those and don't keep them here. 1026 00:47:27,513 --> 00:47:29,546 I normally do them on this mirror 1027 00:47:29,548 --> 00:47:33,183 'cause that helps me get the fronts and backs right. 1028 00:47:33,185 --> 00:47:36,553 There's so many things that cryptography can do for us, 1029 00:47:36,555 --> 00:47:38,722 that if the world just knew, 1030 00:47:38,724 --> 00:47:41,592 so many social problems could be solved. 1031 00:47:41,594 --> 00:47:45,963 Cryptography can bring fairness to elections. 1032 00:47:45,965 --> 00:47:48,966 It's too difficult for people to understand 1033 00:47:48,968 --> 00:47:52,069 and someone needs to bridge the gap. 1034 00:47:52,071 --> 00:47:55,339 Right now we're using Bitcoin to send money. 1035 00:47:55,341 --> 00:47:58,175 But many believe it will revolutionize much more. 1036 00:47:58,177 --> 00:48:01,011 The technology behind Bitcoin 1037 00:48:01,013 --> 00:48:03,513 can be used to build decentralized systems 1038 00:48:03,515 --> 00:48:05,582 with rules that can't be cheated. 1039 00:48:12,023 --> 00:48:14,324 Now see, this is my wife and my space. 1040 00:48:14,326 --> 00:48:15,993 - This is, you know-- - Awesome. 1041 00:48:15,995 --> 00:48:17,661 It is what it is. 1042 00:48:17,663 --> 00:48:18,896 The more time goes by, 1043 00:48:18,898 --> 00:48:20,397 the more legitimate Bitcoin gets 1044 00:48:20,399 --> 00:48:22,666 and the more proud I am to be associated with it. 1045 00:48:22,668 --> 00:48:24,468 Now what does your wife do? 1046 00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:26,136 She does crafts. 1047 00:48:26,138 --> 00:48:27,671 She's a lot like me. 1048 00:48:27,673 --> 00:48:29,306 We just sit around and make things all day. 1049 00:48:29,308 --> 00:48:31,575 It's just our obsession. 1050 00:48:31,577 --> 00:48:34,044 No, I'm not a drug dealer. No, I'm not a criminal. 1051 00:48:34,046 --> 00:48:35,812 No, I'm not a terrorist. 1052 00:48:35,814 --> 00:48:37,180 I believe in the rule of law. 1053 00:48:37,182 --> 00:48:39,082 I believe in structure that builds society. 1054 00:48:39,084 --> 00:48:40,384 I believe in families. 1055 00:48:40,386 --> 00:48:41,919 I believe in corporations. 1056 00:48:41,921 --> 00:48:44,655 I believe in all the essential elements 1057 00:48:44,657 --> 00:48:47,691 that a civilized society with law and order 1058 00:48:47,693 --> 00:48:49,426 need to be able to function. 1059 00:48:49,428 --> 00:48:51,528 Focal length matters. 1060 00:48:53,565 --> 00:48:56,500 Cryptography is the basis 1061 00:48:56,502 --> 00:48:59,136 for us being able to implement the values we say we believe in. 1062 00:49:02,974 --> 00:49:04,675 This idea will never die, 1063 00:49:04,677 --> 00:49:08,712 the technology that Bitcoin brought to the forefront. 1064 00:49:08,714 --> 00:49:10,013 The genie is out of the bottle. 1065 00:49:21,693 --> 00:49:23,660 Since the crash, the Bitcoin price 1066 00:49:23,662 --> 00:49:25,762 has been hovering around $100. 1067 00:49:27,165 --> 00:49:29,466 Bitcoins seem to have weathered the storm, 1068 00:49:29,468 --> 00:49:32,803 but there's still much controversy surrounding the currency. 1069 00:49:32,805 --> 00:49:35,906 The same cryptography that insures a user's privacy 1070 00:49:35,908 --> 00:49:38,642 also allows it to be used anonymously. 1071 00:49:47,819 --> 00:49:50,153 My father decided to retire 1072 00:49:50,155 --> 00:49:52,255 and he had an old failing print shop. 1073 00:49:52,257 --> 00:49:53,924 I basically took it over 1074 00:49:53,926 --> 00:49:55,646 and I converted it into an Internet place. 1075 00:49:57,061 --> 00:49:58,161 We're the only place in L.A. 1076 00:49:58,163 --> 00:49:59,496 That supports Bitcoin right now. 1077 00:50:06,237 --> 00:50:08,772 This is my Linux system here. 1078 00:50:08,774 --> 00:50:12,342 It's a system that also mines for Bitcoins. 1079 00:50:12,344 --> 00:50:14,611 Makes about a dollar a day. I just do it for fun. 1080 00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:17,848 I was really really into the Internet, 1081 00:50:17,850 --> 00:50:21,251 literally in 1990, 1991, 1992, 1082 00:50:21,253 --> 00:50:23,353 and I had the hardest time describing 1083 00:50:23,355 --> 00:50:25,522 what the Internet was to people. 1084 00:50:25,524 --> 00:50:27,824 I would tell people, "well, it's like this network of computers. 1085 00:50:27,826 --> 00:50:30,060 And the network of computers 1086 00:50:30,062 --> 00:50:31,995 can talk with other networks of computers 1087 00:50:31,997 --> 00:50:33,997 and then you could exchange information." 1088 00:50:33,999 --> 00:50:36,333 And people would have no idea what it was. 1089 00:50:36,335 --> 00:50:39,669 - - When people ask me what Bitcoin is 1090 00:50:39,671 --> 00:50:41,905 I have the hardest time describing what it is. 1091 00:50:41,907 --> 00:50:45,042 And I'd surmise it as, "it's basically money. 1092 00:50:45,044 --> 00:50:46,643 It's basically an anonymous PayPal. 1093 00:50:48,212 --> 00:50:50,347 It's one of those things that you have to use 1094 00:50:50,349 --> 00:50:51,882 before you understand. 1095 00:50:53,384 --> 00:50:55,252 Politically, I'm not a very big fan 1096 00:50:55,254 --> 00:50:57,788 of either the banks or federal reserve, 1097 00:50:57,790 --> 00:50:59,990 and Bitcoin allows me to get around that. 1098 00:50:59,992 --> 00:51:03,193 One of the programs we support is a protocol called "Tor." 1099 00:51:03,195 --> 00:51:06,229 And basically what Tor does is it allows you to communicate 1100 00:51:06,231 --> 00:51:08,165 to a website anonymously. 1101 00:51:08,167 --> 00:51:10,487 Tor is a program that allows you to get on the silk road. 1102 00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:13,070 And this is silk road. 1103 00:51:13,072 --> 00:51:16,406 Basically, any drug you want is available. 1104 00:51:16,408 --> 00:51:18,675 There's a lot of weed. There's a lot of cocaine. 1105 00:51:18,677 --> 00:51:19,976 There's a lot of ecstasy. 1106 00:51:19,978 --> 00:51:21,978 But there's also unusual drugs, 1107 00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:23,580 like if you want some sort of anabolic steroid, 1108 00:51:23,582 --> 00:51:25,816 you can type "steroid." 1109 00:51:25,818 --> 00:51:27,250 You'll get all the different types 1110 00:51:27,252 --> 00:51:29,019 of steroids that are available. 1111 00:51:29,021 --> 00:51:31,321 Silk road itself is not selling the drugs. 1112 00:51:31,323 --> 00:51:33,090 This is basically a matchmaker 1113 00:51:33,092 --> 00:51:34,658 between buyer and seller. 1114 00:51:34,660 --> 00:51:36,393 Both the buyer and seller don't know each other. 1115 00:51:36,395 --> 00:51:38,528 Both the buyer and seller are anonymous. 1116 00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:40,897 It goes on this web of trust. 1117 00:51:40,899 --> 00:51:43,633 If you want to, let's say, buy this testosterone, 1118 00:51:43,635 --> 00:51:45,235 you'd click on this. 1119 00:51:46,971 --> 00:51:48,905 He has 99.3 positive feedback 1120 00:51:48,907 --> 00:51:51,408 from more than 300 transactions. 1121 00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:54,511 So even though the contracts aren't enforceable by law, 1122 00:51:54,513 --> 00:51:56,680 the reputation system makes it so that 1123 00:51:56,682 --> 00:51:59,249 the system works pretty well. 1124 00:51:59,251 --> 00:52:01,451 Oh, there's a fireworks section now. I didn't know that. 1125 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,156 Florida I.D., 1.88 Bitcoins, 1126 00:52:06,158 --> 00:52:09,559 which is around $150, something like that. 1127 00:52:09,561 --> 00:52:11,962 A forged auto insurance card, 1128 00:52:11,964 --> 00:52:14,664 forged passport. 1129 00:52:14,666 --> 00:52:16,733 There is over 9,000 entries for drugs. 1130 00:52:18,469 --> 00:52:19,669 That's a lot. 1131 00:52:21,672 --> 00:52:23,273 I would say there's around maybe five customers 1132 00:52:23,275 --> 00:52:24,875 that know about it and use it. 1133 00:52:24,877 --> 00:52:26,877 It's a very small percentage of the people that come in. 1134 00:52:26,879 --> 00:52:28,512 But the people who do know about it, 1135 00:52:28,514 --> 00:52:30,147 specifically come here to use it. 1136 00:52:33,318 --> 00:52:35,152 What the customers do with the computers 1137 00:52:35,154 --> 00:52:37,554 is pretty much their business. 1138 00:52:37,556 --> 00:52:39,856 Another day in the office. 1139 00:52:39,858 --> 00:52:42,826 You gonna do drug dealing of any sort, 1140 00:52:42,828 --> 00:52:44,127 silk road is the place to go. 1141 00:52:44,129 --> 00:52:47,297 How many people are selling cannabis right now? 1142 00:52:47,299 --> 00:52:50,534 It looks like 2,011 people are selling cannabis. 1143 00:52:50,536 --> 00:52:52,135 They call me Mr. Bitcoin. 1144 00:52:52,137 --> 00:52:54,004 I probably been dealing drugs 1145 00:52:54,006 --> 00:52:56,540 since I was like 17. 1146 00:52:56,542 --> 00:52:58,909 Right now I'm 26. 1147 00:53:00,411 --> 00:53:02,179 I think of it as a global thing 1148 00:53:02,181 --> 00:53:03,380 when I'm on the computer. 1149 00:53:03,382 --> 00:53:05,916 I'm doing business with the world. 1150 00:53:05,918 --> 00:53:07,517 Let's see, they have blue dream, 1151 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:10,353 sour diesel, pineapple Thai, 1152 00:53:10,355 --> 00:53:13,390 purple kush, girl scout cookies. Purple pays. 1153 00:53:13,392 --> 00:53:15,225 When I first heard about it, 1154 00:53:15,227 --> 00:53:16,893 I was laughing about it. It took me a week 1155 00:53:16,895 --> 00:53:18,895 to just even think about this for real. 1156 00:53:18,897 --> 00:53:20,830 "I can really make money off the Internet? 1157 00:53:20,832 --> 00:53:23,392 Selling this type of stuff on the Internet? You sure about that?" 1158 00:53:25,036 --> 00:53:27,170 This something I probably may buy right here. 1159 00:53:27,172 --> 00:53:30,307 They have looks like some good kush. 1160 00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:32,809 And some of these things only take a day to get here 1161 00:53:32,811 --> 00:53:34,811 with no harassment from nobody 1162 00:53:34,813 --> 00:53:36,513 instead of just being on the streets. 1163 00:53:36,515 --> 00:53:38,415 Once you get the hang of it, it's actually kinda fun 1164 00:53:38,417 --> 00:53:39,977 just looking through different things. 1165 00:53:41,552 --> 00:53:43,853 "Mr. Bitcoin." I'm running with it. 1166 00:53:43,855 --> 00:53:45,355 I like the name. You know what I mean? 1167 00:53:45,357 --> 00:53:47,190 I'm not gonna lie. I get Booty off this. 1168 00:53:47,192 --> 00:53:49,025 I kinda like talking about this stuff with girls. 1169 00:53:49,027 --> 00:53:51,161 Girls like that shit hot. 1170 00:53:51,163 --> 00:53:54,364 "Oh, you're street, and you got a little nerd knowledge? 1171 00:53:54,366 --> 00:53:55,966 This is great." 1172 00:53:57,368 --> 00:53:59,402 I have a lot of Bitcoins saved up already. 1173 00:53:59,404 --> 00:54:01,404 My business is doing good. 1174 00:54:01,406 --> 00:54:04,307 It's a fun way of doing hustling these days. 1175 00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:06,343 The future brung a different way to hustle 1176 00:54:06,345 --> 00:54:07,811 and I like it. 1177 00:54:21,058 --> 00:54:23,026 With so many people using Bitcoin 1178 00:54:23,028 --> 00:54:24,828 in so many different ways, 1179 00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:27,230 it's becoming apparent that it can't be ignored. 1180 00:54:31,902 --> 00:54:33,403 - Let me see your driver's license. - Oh sure. 1181 00:54:33,405 --> 00:54:36,139 This stays at the desk until you leave the building. 1182 00:54:36,141 --> 00:54:38,174 Today I'm visiting FinCEN, 1183 00:54:38,176 --> 00:54:40,377 a bureau of the U.S. department of the treasury. 1184 00:54:40,379 --> 00:54:44,080 Despite having released guidance on virtual currencies, 1185 00:54:44,082 --> 00:54:46,549 there's still a lot of uncertainty surrounding their outlook 1186 00:54:46,551 --> 00:54:48,718 on the future of Bitcoin regulation. 1187 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,321 Straight ahead and in the big fishbowl-looking-- 1188 00:54:51,323 --> 00:54:53,356 Okay, great. 1189 00:54:55,994 --> 00:54:57,494 I'm not gonna say we're gonna have 1190 00:54:57,496 --> 00:54:58,828 every answer for you today, 1191 00:54:58,830 --> 00:55:01,064 but I mean... 1192 00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:25,422 Oh yeah. 1193 00:55:29,193 --> 00:55:31,194 Jennifer Shasky Calvery came onboard 1194 00:55:31,196 --> 00:55:33,463 as FinCEN's director last year. 1195 00:55:33,465 --> 00:55:35,865 During her career, she spent 15 years 1196 00:55:35,867 --> 00:55:37,667 at the department of justice 1197 00:55:37,669 --> 00:55:39,469 where she specialized in fighting money laundering 1198 00:55:39,471 --> 00:55:41,204 and organized crime. 1199 00:55:41,206 --> 00:55:42,672 Virtual currencies have been on my radar 1200 00:55:42,674 --> 00:55:44,641 for a while, even prior to coming 1201 00:55:44,643 --> 00:55:47,877 to this position, because of, 1202 00:55:47,879 --> 00:55:50,313 unfortunately, the abuse of some of them. 1203 00:55:50,315 --> 00:55:52,048 Bitcoin, on the other hand, 1204 00:55:52,050 --> 00:55:54,984 is one that really didn't come on my radar 1205 00:55:54,986 --> 00:55:56,886 probably until I arrived at FinCEN. 1206 00:55:56,888 --> 00:55:58,888 Depending on who you speak to, 1207 00:55:58,890 --> 00:56:00,390 the issuance of our guidance was 1208 00:56:00,392 --> 00:56:02,892 either the best thing that ever happened to Bitcoin 1209 00:56:02,894 --> 00:56:05,061 or the worst thing that ever happened to Bitcoin. 1210 00:56:05,063 --> 00:56:07,697 Some accusing us of trying to kill Bitcoin 1211 00:56:07,699 --> 00:56:10,667 and others saying that it somehow legitimized it. 1212 00:56:10,669 --> 00:56:14,337 Of course, neither of those things I think is probably true. 1213 00:56:14,339 --> 00:56:16,706 And certainly neither of those things was our intent. 1214 00:56:16,708 --> 00:56:20,210 One of the clear lines is that if you're a consumer 1215 00:56:20,212 --> 00:56:23,146 who's using Bitcoins to buy goods and services, 1216 00:56:23,148 --> 00:56:25,081 the guidance doesn't pertain to you. 1217 00:56:25,083 --> 00:56:28,017 We're focused more on the places where we think 1218 00:56:28,019 --> 00:56:31,054 we have risks to the U.S. financial system 1219 00:56:31,056 --> 00:56:32,889 from money laundering and terrorist financing. 1220 00:56:32,891 --> 00:56:34,991 And I think that might be kind of-- 1221 00:56:34,993 --> 00:56:38,428 A lot of the Bitcoin community has a little bit of a fear 1222 00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:41,464 that Bitcoin may be characterized 1223 00:56:41,466 --> 00:56:45,368 in a way so as to tie it to some bad actor ruining it for everyone, 1224 00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:47,404 when a lot of people that are interested in Bitcoin, 1225 00:56:47,406 --> 00:56:51,107 including myself, see it as just this technology that we don't-- 1226 00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:53,143 Really don't wanna see it falling 1227 00:56:53,145 --> 00:56:55,044 into the wrong categorization 1228 00:56:55,046 --> 00:56:57,280 with all the potential that's there. 1229 00:56:57,282 --> 00:57:01,484 Sure. So that innovation around Bitcoin 1230 00:57:01,486 --> 00:57:04,154 and the virtual economy 1231 00:57:04,156 --> 00:57:07,524 is really one of the more interesting aspects, 1232 00:57:07,526 --> 00:57:09,859 I think, of this story-- The idea that 1233 00:57:09,861 --> 00:57:13,163 it can be used to potentially serve 1234 00:57:13,165 --> 00:57:14,964 the unbanked out there, 1235 00:57:14,966 --> 00:57:17,567 just to provide some really new services 1236 00:57:17,569 --> 00:57:19,602 that are convenient for consumers. 1237 00:57:19,604 --> 00:57:21,004 The flip side of it though 1238 00:57:21,006 --> 00:57:23,506 is that to be a part of the financial system-- 1239 00:57:23,508 --> 00:57:26,810 The U.S. financial system, the global financial system-- 1240 00:57:26,812 --> 00:57:28,711 Also comes with some responsibilities. 1241 00:57:28,713 --> 00:57:31,347 And those responsibilities include 1242 00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:34,617 not allowing your institution to be used 1243 00:57:34,619 --> 00:57:38,621 by criminals and by terrorists. 1244 00:57:43,627 --> 00:57:45,195 There's always been a concern 1245 00:57:45,197 --> 00:57:47,464 that the government might try to stamp out Bitcoin. 1246 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,435 But perhaps they see the risk of being left behind. 1247 00:57:57,174 --> 00:58:00,276 In may 2013, the biggest gathering to-date 1248 00:58:00,278 --> 00:58:02,512 of Bitcoin enthusiasts and entrepreneurs 1249 00:58:02,514 --> 00:58:04,781 happened in San Jose, California. 1250 00:58:04,783 --> 00:58:06,850 We're at Bitcoin 2013. 1251 00:58:06,852 --> 00:58:09,786 It's the inaugural conference of the Bitcoin foundation. 1252 00:58:13,157 --> 00:58:15,825 Roger Ver: Bitcoin is worldwide and the vast majority of people 1253 00:58:15,827 --> 00:58:18,194 haven't even heard of Bitcoin yet. 1254 00:58:18,196 --> 00:58:20,830 It's more powerful than every computer 1255 00:58:20,832 --> 00:58:22,565 on the top-500 list combined. 1256 00:58:24,668 --> 00:58:26,002 It's an awfully big world, 1257 00:58:26,004 --> 00:58:28,104 an awful lot of things could happen. 1258 00:58:28,106 --> 00:58:31,040 Really, we've been on a roller-coaster ride 1259 00:58:31,042 --> 00:58:34,177 and I expect, at least for the next few years, 1260 00:58:34,179 --> 00:58:36,746 we're gonna remain on a roller-coaster ride. 1261 00:58:36,748 --> 00:58:39,249 I happen to enjoy roller coasters. 1262 00:58:39,251 --> 00:58:41,084 I think they're fun. 1263 00:58:42,453 --> 00:58:43,620 Just a few weeks earlier 1264 00:58:43,622 --> 00:58:45,255 Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, 1265 00:58:45,257 --> 00:58:47,257 known for their involvement in Facebook, 1266 00:58:47,259 --> 00:58:49,192 announce that they own a 1% stake 1267 00:58:49,194 --> 00:58:50,994 of all Bitcoins in existence. 1268 00:58:50,996 --> 00:58:53,096 Worth around $11 million. 1269 00:58:53,098 --> 00:58:55,698 - How's it going? How are you? - Nice to meet you. 1270 00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:58,668 They also made a $1.5 million investment 1271 00:58:58,670 --> 00:59:00,837 in Charlie's company, Bitlnstant. 1272 00:59:00,839 --> 00:59:03,339 We started looking seriously at it 1273 00:59:03,341 --> 00:59:04,874 at the end of last summer 1274 00:59:04,876 --> 00:59:07,510 and started purchasing around that time. 1275 00:59:07,512 --> 00:59:10,179 I think a light bulb just went off and we said, "wow. 1276 00:59:10,181 --> 00:59:12,515 The implication of this could be enormous. 1277 00:59:12,517 --> 00:59:14,651 If everyone in the world could have a Bitcoin address, 1278 00:59:14,653 --> 00:59:17,620 everyone in the world could be banked fairly quickly. 1279 00:59:17,622 --> 00:59:19,522 And when you consider that, 1280 00:59:19,524 --> 00:59:21,357 it's a very powerful idea. 1281 00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:24,160 And Bitcoin can make that happen. 1282 00:59:24,162 --> 00:59:25,395 We're going all over the world. 1283 00:59:25,397 --> 00:59:26,529 We're going to the U.K. 1284 00:59:26,531 --> 00:59:27,797 We're going to Australia. 1285 00:59:27,799 --> 00:59:29,799 We're going to-- We're already in Russia. 1286 00:59:29,801 --> 00:59:31,868 We're going to South America. 1287 00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:33,403 We're already in Brazil now. 1288 00:59:33,405 --> 00:59:35,538 You can buy Bitcoin at any of our locations. 1289 00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:38,341 It's fun to think that Satoshi might be here too. 1290 00:59:38,343 --> 00:59:39,976 I always wonder if somebody is-- 1291 00:59:39,978 --> 00:59:42,345 If someone here somewhere is... 1292 00:59:42,347 --> 00:59:44,667 Yes. I was planning-- -... Standing in the corner going-- 1293 00:59:52,958 --> 00:59:54,157 What would he do? 1294 00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:57,493 What talks would he be attending, you know? 1295 00:59:57,495 --> 01:00:00,163 Trace Mayer: We're seeing the Bitcoin players in the Market 1296 01:00:00,165 --> 01:00:01,998 meeting with the venture capitalists 1297 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,700 and they're all beginning to posture 1298 01:00:03,702 --> 01:00:04,801 and that's very exciting, 1299 01:00:04,803 --> 01:00:06,169 because it means that 1300 01:00:06,171 --> 01:00:07,470 there's gonna be a lot more 1301 01:00:07,472 --> 01:00:08,972 infrastructure built out, 1302 01:00:08,974 --> 01:00:10,673 and lot more money flowing into the space, 1303 01:00:10,675 --> 01:00:14,344 and it's really gonna be a big bull Market for Bitcoin. 1304 01:00:14,346 --> 01:00:16,679 One of the companies best known for making 1305 01:00:16,681 --> 01:00:20,350 Bitcoin accessible for commerce is Atlanta-based BitPay. 1306 01:00:20,352 --> 01:00:22,652 They are pioneers in Bitcoin 1307 01:00:22,654 --> 01:00:24,487 and provide a service that enables merchants 1308 01:00:24,489 --> 01:00:25,855 to accept Bitcoin payments 1309 01:00:25,857 --> 01:00:28,191 without dealing with its complexities. 1310 01:00:28,193 --> 01:00:29,993 We've grown about a factor of 10 1311 01:00:29,995 --> 01:00:32,161 since the beginning of the year. 1312 01:00:32,163 --> 01:00:33,830 We were doing about half a million dollars a month... 1313 01:00:33,832 --> 01:00:35,198 - Yeah. - ...Around the turn of the year, 1314 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,000 and now we're doing about $5 million a month. 1315 01:00:37,002 --> 01:00:40,269 This is people using Bitcoins to buy real goods and services. 1316 01:00:40,271 --> 01:00:41,871 They're not day trading. They're not exchanging. 1317 01:00:41,873 --> 01:00:43,272 They're actually buying things. 1318 01:00:43,274 --> 01:00:46,309 I'm confident that Bitcoin is the most important invention 1319 01:00:46,311 --> 01:00:48,044 in the entire history of the world since the Internet. 1320 01:00:48,046 --> 01:00:49,879 Roger Ver is an investor 1321 01:00:49,881 --> 01:00:51,514 in several early Bitcoin companies, 1322 01:00:51,516 --> 01:00:53,216 including BitPay. 1323 01:00:53,218 --> 01:00:54,984 His passion and enthusiasm 1324 01:00:54,986 --> 01:00:57,687 has earned him the nickname "Bitcoin Jesus." 1325 01:00:57,689 --> 01:00:59,155 It is going to change everything. 1326 01:00:59,157 --> 01:01:00,490 And all of you here in this room 1327 01:01:00,492 --> 01:01:02,492 you're at the very very forefront of that. 1328 01:01:05,997 --> 01:01:08,131 Roger lives in Tokyo 1329 01:01:08,133 --> 01:01:11,367 but travels the earth, spreading the good word of Bitcoin. 1330 01:01:11,369 --> 01:01:13,369 The last couple of days we've been setting up 1331 01:01:13,371 --> 01:01:15,705 a business per day to accept Bitcoin here in the bay area. 1332 01:01:15,707 --> 01:01:17,006 Today's business is going to be 1333 01:01:17,008 --> 01:01:19,008 this Super Kyo-Po Korean supermarket. 1334 01:01:19,010 --> 01:01:22,011 So for you-- you accept credit cards right now? 1335 01:01:22,013 --> 01:01:24,347 - Right. - The credit card companies are charging you 2% or 3%? 1336 01:01:24,349 --> 01:01:26,382 - Right. - For Bitcoin, you can do the same thing, 1337 01:01:26,384 --> 01:01:27,950 but they'll only charge you 1% 1338 01:01:27,952 --> 01:01:29,886 and you'll still get dollars in your bank account. 1339 01:01:29,888 --> 01:01:31,387 If you want, you can choose to split 1340 01:01:31,389 --> 01:01:33,156 some of the payments that you receive 1341 01:01:33,158 --> 01:01:35,191 into Bitcoins and then some into dollars 1342 01:01:35,193 --> 01:01:37,760 in whatever ratio you want, so you can keep 99% in dollars 1343 01:01:37,762 --> 01:01:40,930 and 1% in Bitcoin or 99% in Bitcoin and 1% in dollars. 1344 01:01:40,932 --> 01:01:42,852 - Okay. - However you want. You can decide that. 1345 01:01:44,201 --> 01:01:45,768 Roger is describing the service 1346 01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:47,403 provided by BitPay. 1347 01:01:47,405 --> 01:01:49,839 They take the volatility of Bitcoin's price 1348 01:01:49,841 --> 01:01:51,607 out of the equation for merchants 1349 01:01:51,609 --> 01:01:53,676 by immediately converting Bitcoins to dollars 1350 01:01:53,678 --> 01:01:55,078 at the time of sale. 1351 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,113 So right now we have it set to 100% dollars, 1352 01:01:57,115 --> 01:01:59,248 so anybody that pays here with Bitcoin, 1353 01:01:59,250 --> 01:02:00,850 they'll deposit the money into your bank account 1354 01:02:00,852 --> 01:02:03,152 the very next day with only a 1% fee. 1355 01:02:03,154 --> 01:02:04,687 And I guarantee you over the next couple of weeks 1356 01:02:04,689 --> 01:02:06,022 you'll have lots of computer nerds 1357 01:02:06,024 --> 01:02:07,990 that love Bitcoins will be coming in here 1358 01:02:07,992 --> 01:02:09,992 specifically to shop at your supermarket, 1359 01:02:09,994 --> 01:02:11,314 so that they can pay with Bitcoin. 1360 01:02:13,297 --> 01:02:16,199 The credit card companies, just for processing the payment, 1361 01:02:16,201 --> 01:02:18,534 they take anywhere from... 1362 01:02:18,536 --> 01:02:21,637 1.5% to over 3% 1363 01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:23,840 and then on certain cards 1364 01:02:23,842 --> 01:02:25,641 there's even a per-transaction fee, 1365 01:02:25,643 --> 01:02:27,844 like 20� per transaction 1366 01:02:27,846 --> 01:02:30,012 plus the percentage of the transaction. 1367 01:02:32,983 --> 01:02:35,017 ...$11,000, $12,000 a month 1368 01:02:35,019 --> 01:02:38,454 on the average that they just take right out of our account. 1369 01:02:38,456 --> 01:02:39,622 I honestly think that 1370 01:02:39,624 --> 01:02:40,723 there's a really good chance 1371 01:02:40,725 --> 01:02:42,458 that Bitcoins will be more than $1,000 1372 01:02:42,460 --> 01:02:44,627 by the end of the year, because everybody who hears about-- 1373 01:02:44,629 --> 01:02:46,729 "wait, I can send money to and from anyone I want?" 1374 01:02:46,731 --> 01:02:49,465 It's impossible for anyone to freeze your account, 1375 01:02:49,467 --> 01:02:52,568 it's impossible for anyone to block you from sending or receiving these Bitcoins. 1376 01:02:52,570 --> 01:02:54,403 ...Euros, so you can see 1377 01:02:54,405 --> 01:02:56,739 all these different currency exchanges around the world 1378 01:02:56,741 --> 01:02:58,674 that exchange to and from Bitcoins. 1379 01:02:58,676 --> 01:03:02,178 You can see there's maybe between 50 and 100 exchanges now. 1380 01:03:02,180 --> 01:03:04,814 When I first heard about Bitcoin and started telling everybody about it, 1381 01:03:04,816 --> 01:03:06,983 if you looked at that same page, there were less than 10. 1382 01:03:06,985 --> 01:03:10,052 And there's no central office that they could raid or anything like that? 1383 01:03:10,054 --> 01:03:11,554 There's no central-- It's amazing. 1384 01:03:11,556 --> 01:03:12,855 There's no central office, 1385 01:03:12,857 --> 01:03:14,290 there's no central place they could go to 1386 01:03:14,292 --> 01:03:16,125 and say, "take Steve's Bitcoins," 1387 01:03:16,127 --> 01:03:18,127 or, "give Steve's Bitcoins to Kevin." Do this or do that. 1388 01:03:18,129 --> 01:03:19,862 So who's the owner of Bitcoins? 1389 01:03:19,864 --> 01:03:22,498 - Everybody that owns Bitcoins? - Yeah yeah. 1390 01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:25,134 Just like who's the owner of gold? It's whoever owns some gold. 1391 01:03:25,136 --> 01:03:27,203 Short of shutting down the entire Internet 1392 01:03:27,205 --> 01:03:29,338 in the entire world, there's no way to stop Bitcoin. 1393 01:03:35,179 --> 01:03:37,213 And hit "request payment." 1394 01:03:37,215 --> 01:03:39,816 And that's the Q.R. Code for your Bitcoin address. 1395 01:03:39,818 --> 01:03:41,184 So I'm gonna scan that... 1396 01:03:43,253 --> 01:03:45,321 So now I have your Bitcoin address on my phone. 1397 01:03:45,323 --> 01:03:47,290 I think this is $2, 1398 01:03:47,292 --> 01:03:49,425 so I'm going to send you $2 1399 01:03:49,427 --> 01:03:50,993 worth of Bitcoins. 1400 01:03:55,833 --> 01:03:58,000 There it is. You just received that many Bitcoins 1401 01:03:58,002 --> 01:03:59,302 from me, directly with no fee 1402 01:03:59,304 --> 01:04:01,204 and if you hit the little green square 1403 01:04:01,206 --> 01:04:03,139 it'll show you the equivalent amount in U.S. dollars. 1404 01:04:03,141 --> 01:04:05,975 So you just received $2 worth of Bitcoins 1405 01:04:05,977 --> 01:04:07,276 directly from my phone to your phone. 1406 01:04:07,278 --> 01:04:09,312 And you can send money just like that anywhere in the world. 1407 01:04:09,314 --> 01:04:11,480 You could've told me your Bitcoin address 1408 01:04:11,482 --> 01:04:13,349 by email or posted on Facebook 1409 01:04:13,351 --> 01:04:15,117 or Twitter or anywhere. 1410 01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,720 So I could print this and have it at the register. 1411 01:04:17,722 --> 01:04:20,156 Yeah. Yup, and you can check right on your phone 1412 01:04:20,158 --> 01:04:21,791 any time that you received the payment. 1413 01:04:21,793 --> 01:04:23,693 Okay. Thank you, Steve. 1414 01:04:23,695 --> 01:04:24,994 - All right. Thanks. - Thank you for the tea. 1415 01:04:31,869 --> 01:04:34,303 One of the newest standouts in the Bitcoin space 1416 01:04:34,305 --> 01:04:37,139 is a San Francisco company named Coinbase. 1417 01:04:37,141 --> 01:04:39,508 They operate a digital wallet service 1418 01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:43,179 that makes it simple to buy, use and accept Bitcoin. 1419 01:04:43,181 --> 01:04:44,947 I would not be surprised at all 1420 01:04:44,949 --> 01:04:46,949 if Google, square, PayPal-- Everybody-- 1421 01:04:46,951 --> 01:04:48,451 Is looking at adding Bitcoin in one or two years. 1422 01:04:48,453 --> 01:04:50,953 By then we need to have 50 million wallets. 1423 01:04:50,955 --> 01:04:52,288 If we can make this easy to use, 1424 01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:54,357 it's gonna be huge. 1425 01:04:54,359 --> 01:04:57,493 Fred Ehrsam: My involvement in Bitcoin is not politically motivated. 1426 01:04:57,495 --> 01:05:01,764 - Yeah, dude. - People are realizing large capital gains. 1427 01:05:01,766 --> 01:05:04,467 When professional investors enter the realm, 1428 01:05:04,469 --> 01:05:06,068 the stakes definitely change. 1429 01:05:06,070 --> 01:05:08,804 We raised $5 million from union square ventures. 1430 01:05:08,806 --> 01:05:10,740 Fred Wilson led the round there. 1431 01:05:10,742 --> 01:05:12,341 I think Bitcoin is still 1432 01:05:12,343 --> 01:05:14,977 actually a little bit under the radar. 1433 01:05:14,979 --> 01:05:19,015 I think it's moved past the stage where people dismiss it, 1434 01:05:19,017 --> 01:05:20,816 but I don't think that it's totally 1435 01:05:20,818 --> 01:05:22,485 gone mainstream either. 1436 01:05:22,487 --> 01:05:25,087 I think we're in that middle stage right now. 1437 01:05:25,089 --> 01:05:27,089 At the end of the conference, 1438 01:05:27,091 --> 01:05:29,125 Jered from Tradehill threw a party 1439 01:05:29,127 --> 01:05:31,294 to celebrate how far things had come. 1440 01:05:31,296 --> 01:05:33,296 You guys are hot right now. 1441 01:05:33,298 --> 01:05:34,931 - Yup. - Congratulations on the raise. 1442 01:05:34,933 --> 01:05:36,499 - Thank you. - It's good money, man. 1443 01:05:36,501 --> 01:05:38,501 - Swell do. - Yeah. 1444 01:05:38,503 --> 01:05:42,438 I mean-- - hopefully it's an advancement for the community. 1445 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,341 I am completely pro-compliance. 1446 01:05:45,343 --> 01:05:47,977 I think if you don't want to attach your identity to this, 1447 01:05:47,979 --> 01:05:51,147 - just can't work with you. - Yeah, so I thought I just need to-- 1448 01:05:51,149 --> 01:05:53,950 I mean the libertarian side of me is like, "ehh. Yeah, whatever," 1449 01:05:53,952 --> 01:05:56,152 but like, from a business perspective, 1450 01:05:56,154 --> 01:05:58,554 if people don't play by the rules, 1451 01:05:58,556 --> 01:06:02,058 - you're not gonna last. - Yeah, I completely agree. 1452 01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:04,620 - You're gonna just shut down or you're gonna go to jail. - Yeah. 1453 01:06:05,162 --> 01:06:07,196 Noticeably absent from the conference 1454 01:06:07,198 --> 01:06:08,798 were representatives of Bitcoin's 1455 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,500 biggest exchange, Mt. Gox. 1456 01:06:11,502 --> 01:06:14,971 Just days earlier the department of homeland security 1457 01:06:14,973 --> 01:06:17,873 seized more than $5 million from their U.S. accounts. 1458 01:06:19,376 --> 01:06:21,877 The seizure warrant stated that Mt. Gox had failed 1459 01:06:21,879 --> 01:06:23,779 to register as a money transmitter, 1460 01:06:23,781 --> 01:06:26,615 putting them in violation of the new FinCEN guidelines. 1461 01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:36,292 I'm traveling to Tokyo to meet Mark Karpeles, 1462 01:06:36,294 --> 01:06:38,227 Mt. Gox's reclusive C.E.O. 1463 01:06:41,465 --> 01:06:43,165 No Bitcoins on here. 1464 01:06:44,167 --> 01:06:46,836 Not yet. 1465 01:06:46,838 --> 01:06:49,138 That will make this completely unnecessary. 1466 01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:50,840 But for now it seems kind of primitive 1467 01:06:50,842 --> 01:06:52,608 that we're exchanging paper for paper. 1468 01:06:53,978 --> 01:06:57,013 - And losing. - And losing value. 1469 01:06:57,015 --> 01:06:59,915 Someone's taking a cut. Someone's taking a little percent. 1470 01:06:59,917 --> 01:07:03,252 Mark and his business partner Gonzague 1471 01:07:03,254 --> 01:07:07,356 are French but they operate Mt. Gox from offices in Japan. 1472 01:07:07,358 --> 01:07:11,327 Originally Mt. Gox was an exchange for trading cards 1473 01:07:11,329 --> 01:07:14,196 - used in a game called - The Gathering." 1474 01:07:14,198 --> 01:07:16,699 M.T.G.O.X. Stood for 1475 01:07:16,701 --> 01:07:19,602 ic: The Gathering online exchange." 1476 01:07:19,604 --> 01:07:22,805 In 2011 Mark's company Tibanne 1477 01:07:22,807 --> 01:07:26,442 bought Mt. Gox, and his focus has been Bitcoin ever since. 1478 01:07:30,013 --> 01:07:31,981 One of the conditions of my visit 1479 01:07:31,983 --> 01:07:33,349 is to refrain from any discussion 1480 01:07:33,351 --> 01:07:34,784 about the D.H.S. Seizure, 1481 01:07:34,786 --> 01:07:36,519 due to the ongoing investigation. 1482 01:07:38,655 --> 01:07:41,357 We've arrived at Mt. Gox. 1483 01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:43,092 This is Mt. Gox right here. 1484 01:07:43,094 --> 01:07:46,362 There's no big sign or anything, no-- no-- 1485 01:07:46,364 --> 01:07:50,699 It doesn't look like a crazy commercial establishment. 1486 01:07:50,701 --> 01:07:53,169 Despite their legal problems 1487 01:07:53,171 --> 01:07:56,272 Mt. Gox still handles more volume than any other exchange 1488 01:07:56,274 --> 01:07:58,107 and is processing around 1489 01:07:58,109 --> 01:08:01,277 $6 million worth of Bitcoin trades every day. 1490 01:08:01,279 --> 01:08:03,846 We had, last year, an average of 10,000 new customers a month. 1491 01:08:03,848 --> 01:08:05,748 January, it was 20,000. 1492 01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:07,683 Then 30,000, 60,000, 1493 01:08:07,685 --> 01:08:09,351 150,000. 1494 01:08:09,353 --> 01:08:12,054 With what's going on, we go down, 1495 01:08:12,056 --> 01:08:14,890 but we are reaching 100,000 new customers 1496 01:08:14,892 --> 01:08:16,992 - for may. - That's amazing. 1497 01:08:16,994 --> 01:08:18,561 - In a month? - In a month. 1498 01:08:18,563 --> 01:08:19,829 - Wow. - So it was like this... 1499 01:08:19,831 --> 01:08:20,996 Zip, bup! 1500 01:08:20,998 --> 01:08:22,832 But still, after what happened 1501 01:08:22,834 --> 01:08:24,800 I thought that a lot of people will go away 1502 01:08:24,802 --> 01:08:27,736 or don't create a new account. 1503 01:08:27,738 --> 01:08:29,405 But still, 100,000 new customers 1504 01:08:29,407 --> 01:08:30,806 it's... wow. 1505 01:08:30,808 --> 01:08:32,541 And here we've got the office. 1506 01:08:41,585 --> 01:08:44,253 Mt. Gox employs 18 people 1507 01:08:44,255 --> 01:08:46,622 not only is Mark the C.E.O., 1508 01:08:46,624 --> 01:08:49,492 he's also the C.F.O., the lead developer 1509 01:08:49,494 --> 01:08:53,162 and performs all technical operations to keep the exchange running. 1510 01:08:54,332 --> 01:08:55,965 - C++. - C++. 1511 01:08:55,967 --> 01:08:57,633 Is that your main-- Is that your main 1512 01:08:57,635 --> 01:08:58,868 - programming language? - No. 1513 01:08:58,870 --> 01:09:01,203 I've got a lot of main programming languages. 1514 01:09:01,205 --> 01:09:02,972 Yeah? What's your favorite programming language? 1515 01:09:02,974 --> 01:09:04,540 Really depend on what I need to do. 1516 01:09:04,542 --> 01:09:05,941 I create a good something really quick 1517 01:09:05,943 --> 01:09:07,810 and I don't care about performance, 1518 01:09:07,812 --> 01:09:09,011 I use P.H.P. 1519 01:09:09,013 --> 01:09:10,846 If I care a little bit about performance, 1520 01:09:10,848 --> 01:09:13,149 I will use c++ with Q.T. Available. 1521 01:09:13,151 --> 01:09:16,085 And if I care a lot about performance, I will use Axum. 1522 01:09:20,524 --> 01:09:22,892 When we go in, cameras down first, 1523 01:09:22,894 --> 01:09:25,060 - until we get to your servers and then back up. - Exactly. 1524 01:09:25,062 --> 01:09:26,562 Okay. 1525 01:09:33,103 --> 01:09:36,939 Getting ready to go into the Mt. Gox data center location. 1526 01:09:36,941 --> 01:09:38,407 Okay, cameras down. 1527 01:09:42,245 --> 01:09:44,513 We were allowed to snap a few photographs 1528 01:10:21,952 --> 01:10:23,485 If Mt. Gox's new trading engine 1529 01:10:23,487 --> 01:10:26,689 can really support 100 million orders per second, 1530 01:10:26,691 --> 01:10:29,758 it should be able to scale with the demands of professional traders. 1531 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,162 But with complex legal problems and increasing competition, 1532 01:10:33,164 --> 01:10:35,364 Mark's attention is pulled in many directions. 1533 01:10:46,176 --> 01:10:48,277 Do you work seven days a week, typically? 1534 01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:50,946 - Yup. - It seems that you do 1535 01:10:50,948 --> 01:10:52,848 the majority of all the heavy lifting. 1536 01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:55,751 - Literally. - Yeah. 1537 01:10:55,753 --> 01:10:59,288 You need to remove your shoes in the entrance. 1538 01:11:02,292 --> 01:11:04,126 Mark is a talented man 1539 01:11:04,128 --> 01:11:06,428 in one of the world's biggest cities... 1540 01:11:06,430 --> 01:11:09,498 But maybe he should stick to computer keyboards. 1541 01:11:21,478 --> 01:11:23,212 Okay, I messed it up. 1542 01:11:29,719 --> 01:11:31,253 - Awesome. - Yay. 1543 01:11:31,255 --> 01:11:32,655 Yeah. 1544 01:11:48,605 --> 01:11:50,806 Erik Voorhees. We are here in northern New Hampshire 1545 01:11:50,808 --> 01:11:52,508 for the porcupine freedom festival. 1546 01:11:52,510 --> 01:11:54,510 And this is an event put on each year 1547 01:11:54,512 --> 01:11:55,878 by the free state project. 1548 01:11:57,681 --> 01:12:00,816 Basically it's just a bunch of crazy anarcho-capitalists, 1549 01:12:00,818 --> 01:12:02,751 libertarian types in the woods, 1550 01:12:02,753 --> 01:12:05,120 with freedom and families. 1551 01:12:05,122 --> 01:12:07,890 Pretty much all of the vendors accept Bitcoin. 1552 01:12:11,161 --> 01:12:13,262 Ahh! 1553 01:12:13,264 --> 01:12:15,264 It tastes much better when bought with Bitcoin. 1554 01:12:15,266 --> 01:12:16,565 Thanks, guys. 1555 01:12:17,934 --> 01:12:20,602 Soups, salads and smoothies. 1556 01:12:20,604 --> 01:12:22,604 I would say one-third of our sales 1557 01:12:22,606 --> 01:12:24,306 have been in Bitcoin. 1558 01:12:24,308 --> 01:12:26,375 It's 20 bucks. So you're gonna pay in Bitcoin? 1559 01:12:26,377 --> 01:12:29,111 - Uh, yeah. - All right. 1560 01:12:29,113 --> 01:12:31,213 Last year was our first year accepting it 1561 01:12:31,215 --> 01:12:34,783 we did maybe 18 transactions, 20 transactions at the most. 1562 01:12:34,785 --> 01:12:36,785 And now we're up to close to 120. 1563 01:12:48,331 --> 01:12:51,333 This community is really one of the largest groups 1564 01:12:51,335 --> 01:12:53,135 of people in the U.S., I think, 1565 01:12:53,137 --> 01:12:55,971 that is truly adopting Bitcoin and using it as a currency, 1566 01:12:55,973 --> 01:12:58,240 because of what it stands for and because of what it enables. 1567 01:12:59,744 --> 01:13:02,144 The world is seriously changing now 1568 01:13:02,146 --> 01:13:04,747 and it is changing in a very interesting, 1569 01:13:04,749 --> 01:13:06,949 very radical, decentralized, 1570 01:13:06,951 --> 01:13:08,471 and, in my opinion, positive direction. 1571 01:13:09,853 --> 01:13:11,787 Shoot. Here it is. 1572 01:13:11,789 --> 01:13:13,155 "Price breaks the all-time high." 1573 01:13:14,858 --> 01:13:16,792 Vitalik is only 19 years old, 1574 01:13:16,794 --> 01:13:18,660 but he has a profound understanding 1575 01:13:18,662 --> 01:13:20,262 of the complexities of Bitcoin 1576 01:13:20,264 --> 01:13:22,231 and a gift for explaining them. 1577 01:13:22,233 --> 01:13:25,167 As lead writer for "Bitcoin magazine," 1578 01:13:25,169 --> 01:13:28,837 he's been traveling the world, covering Bitcoin for the past year. 1579 01:13:28,839 --> 01:13:32,608 I'm a big fan of the decentralization concept, in principle. 1580 01:13:32,610 --> 01:13:36,512 You know, have lots-- Lots of different societies 1581 01:13:36,514 --> 01:13:40,949 operating according to whatever people's own beliefs are. 1582 01:13:40,951 --> 01:13:43,085 Bitcoin has unique properties 1583 01:13:43,087 --> 01:13:45,921 that no other system in the world has had before. 1584 01:13:45,923 --> 01:13:49,691 It really seems like the only practical way forward. 1585 01:13:49,693 --> 01:13:52,094 As you move away from cash 1586 01:13:52,096 --> 01:13:54,663 into your debit cards and your credit cards, 1587 01:13:54,665 --> 01:13:55,631 you essentially are giving up 1588 01:13:55,633 --> 01:13:57,433 a certain degree of your privacy 1589 01:13:57,435 --> 01:13:59,067 without even really knowing it. 1590 01:13:59,069 --> 01:14:00,769 It's important to understand that Bitcoin is not 1591 01:14:00,771 --> 01:14:03,071 automatically, perfectly anonymous. 1592 01:14:03,073 --> 01:14:06,675 But what it does is it enables you to be anonymous if you wish to. 1593 01:14:06,677 --> 01:14:09,578 Erik Voorhees is the founder and part owner 1594 01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:11,513 of a hugely popular Bitcoin gambling site 1595 01:14:11,515 --> 01:14:12,981 called Satoshi Dice. 1596 01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:16,485 Satoshi Dice is the first of a new breed 1597 01:14:16,487 --> 01:14:17,853 of provably fair betting games 1598 01:14:17,855 --> 01:14:19,421 that use Bitcoin. 1599 01:14:19,423 --> 01:14:21,490 Since all bets are public, 1600 01:14:21,492 --> 01:14:24,726 anyone can verify the odds and payouts. 1601 01:14:24,728 --> 01:14:27,463 At its peak, Satoshi Dice was responsible 1602 01:14:27,465 --> 01:14:29,064 for more Bitcoin transactions 1603 01:14:29,066 --> 01:14:32,501 than all other uses of Bitcoin combined. 1604 01:14:32,503 --> 01:14:35,537 It played an important role in Bitcoin's development 1605 01:14:35,539 --> 01:14:37,372 as one of the first applications 1606 01:14:37,374 --> 01:14:40,309 to really test what the Bitcoin network could handle. 1607 01:14:40,311 --> 01:14:44,313 Recently Erik moved his entire operations out of the U.S. 1608 01:14:44,315 --> 01:14:45,948 And into Panama. 1609 01:14:45,950 --> 01:14:48,116 He started a company called Coinapult 1610 01:14:48,118 --> 01:14:51,386 that lets you send Bitcoin via s.M.S. And email. 1611 01:14:51,388 --> 01:14:53,388 I think most people, 1612 01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:54,990 at least in America, 1613 01:14:54,992 --> 01:14:58,327 believe that when they put $1,000 into their bank, 1614 01:14:58,329 --> 01:15:01,563 the bank is holding $1,000 in its vault for them. 1615 01:15:01,565 --> 01:15:05,000 And they don't realize that 99% of all the dollars are digital. 1616 01:15:05,002 --> 01:15:07,736 The fact that we have these tokens called paper cash 1617 01:15:07,738 --> 01:15:10,672 is the exception to the rule. 1618 01:15:10,674 --> 01:15:13,775 People see the cash and they think that that's what the money is, 1619 01:15:13,777 --> 01:15:15,944 but it's all digital and it's been that way for decades. 1620 01:15:15,946 --> 01:15:17,913 You guys moved your business to Panama. 1621 01:15:17,915 --> 01:15:19,982 What was the primary driver in that? 1622 01:15:19,984 --> 01:15:21,517 If you're a U.S. company, 1623 01:15:21,519 --> 01:15:24,686 you have to follow the arcane U.S. regulations 1624 01:15:24,688 --> 01:15:26,421 for all of your customers around the world. 1625 01:15:26,423 --> 01:15:28,490 So if you do business with some rural farmer in Africa, 1626 01:15:28,492 --> 01:15:30,626 you're gonna need to get his social security number, 1627 01:15:30,628 --> 01:15:32,027 you're gonna need to get all this information 1628 01:15:32,029 --> 01:15:33,762 that Washington tells you is important. 1629 01:15:33,764 --> 01:15:35,030 We did not want to have to apply 1630 01:15:35,032 --> 01:15:37,666 the U.S. financial regulatory scheme 1631 01:15:37,668 --> 01:15:40,369 to customers in sub-Saharan Africa. 1632 01:15:40,371 --> 01:15:41,803 I don't think the developed world's 1633 01:15:41,805 --> 01:15:44,106 gonna be where Bitcoin really takes off, long-term, 1634 01:15:44,108 --> 01:15:46,208 because our banking system's worked decently well. 1635 01:15:46,210 --> 01:15:47,809 Many people around the world 1636 01:15:47,811 --> 01:15:49,611 don't have any bank accounts whatsoever. 1637 01:15:49,613 --> 01:15:50,979 Ultimately, those are the types of people 1638 01:15:50,981 --> 01:15:52,814 who will find the most value out of Bitcoin. 1639 01:15:58,187 --> 01:16:00,088 One month later Erik announced 1640 01:16:00,090 --> 01:16:02,958 he had sold Satoshi dice to an anonymous investor. 1641 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,593 The price? 1642 01:16:04,595 --> 01:16:08,564 126,315 Bitcoins, 1643 01:16:08,566 --> 01:16:12,334 worth around $11.5 million. 1644 01:16:12,336 --> 01:16:15,771 Most of the new offices in this city are in this condition, 1645 01:16:15,773 --> 01:16:17,472 all still what's called "gray." 1646 01:16:17,474 --> 01:16:19,942 Not ready, no Internet, no electricity-- nothing. 1647 01:16:19,944 --> 01:16:21,910 But we actually got one that was finished, 1648 01:16:21,912 --> 01:16:24,880 so we moved in and we are super excited about it. 1649 01:16:25,949 --> 01:16:28,050 You can see all the skyscrapers 1650 01:16:28,052 --> 01:16:30,619 of new banks and everything getting built up here. 1651 01:16:30,621 --> 01:16:33,589 This is the financial center for central America. 1652 01:16:33,591 --> 01:16:36,959 So it was fitting that we establish ourselves here as well. 1653 01:16:39,262 --> 01:16:40,329 Still setting up the office. 1654 01:16:40,331 --> 01:16:42,431 We've been here for two weeks. 1655 01:16:42,433 --> 01:16:43,832 We're getting walls put in. 1656 01:16:43,834 --> 01:16:45,567 We've got furniture. 1657 01:16:45,569 --> 01:16:47,836 This is the brains of the operation. 1658 01:16:47,838 --> 01:16:50,305 - This is Mr. Ira. - Howdy. 1659 01:16:50,307 --> 01:16:53,241 He can program anything, and you can see all these books he's reading. 1660 01:16:53,243 --> 01:16:56,645 What have we got here? We've got "cryptanalysis." 1661 01:16:56,647 --> 01:16:58,647 We've got "everyday cryptography," 1662 01:16:58,649 --> 01:17:02,351 "introduction to mathematical cryptography." 1663 01:17:02,353 --> 01:17:04,753 I read all of these, of course, when I was much younger, 1664 01:17:04,755 --> 01:17:06,722 but Ira's trying to catch up with me. 1665 01:17:12,328 --> 01:17:14,329 The Bitcoin phenomenon is trying 1666 01:17:14,331 --> 01:17:16,331 to take control of money away 1667 01:17:16,333 --> 01:17:18,767 from the state and return it to individuals. 1668 01:17:18,769 --> 01:17:20,335 It's trying to separate money and state 1669 01:17:20,337 --> 01:17:22,337 in the same way and for the same reasons 1670 01:17:22,339 --> 01:17:24,439 that it was important to separate church and state. 1671 01:17:24,441 --> 01:17:28,076 There's a wonderful quote from one of the Rothschilds-- 1672 01:17:28,078 --> 01:17:29,811 "give me control of a nation's money 1673 01:17:29,813 --> 01:17:31,913 and I care not who makes its laws." 1674 01:17:31,915 --> 01:17:34,216 So I'm trying to play my part in that narrative. 1675 01:17:35,785 --> 01:17:37,319 Outside of the United States, 1676 01:17:37,321 --> 01:17:39,287 billions of people don't have access 1677 01:17:39,289 --> 01:17:41,256 to basic banking services. 1678 01:17:41,258 --> 01:17:43,158 Bitcoin can level the playing field 1679 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,459 and help bring developing nations 1680 01:17:44,461 --> 01:17:45,861 into the global economy. 1681 01:17:53,803 --> 01:17:55,270 Cheers, cheers. 1682 01:17:58,141 --> 01:18:00,542 Eventually people are going to use a currency 1683 01:18:00,544 --> 01:18:02,310 that is as free as the Internet 1684 01:18:02,312 --> 01:18:04,813 because people will seek out freedom wherever they can. 1685 01:18:04,815 --> 01:18:06,948 And just as the government can't stop the Internet 1686 01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:10,285 and the freedom of speech, it can't stop Bitcoin and the freedom of money. 1687 01:18:10,287 --> 01:18:13,121 So we're just gonna have to see how hard they try to do it. 1688 01:18:13,123 --> 01:18:14,923 It's scary but it's exciting, 1689 01:18:14,925 --> 01:18:17,659 because at the other end freedom typically wins. 1690 01:18:17,661 --> 01:18:19,961 We just have see how long it takes to get there. 1691 01:18:39,649 --> 01:18:41,850 As summer rolled on, 1692 01:18:41,852 --> 01:18:44,586 the Bitcoin industry continued to flourish. 1693 01:18:44,588 --> 01:18:45,954 It's hard to remember the days where I was 1694 01:18:45,956 --> 01:18:47,589 running this thing out of my basement 1695 01:18:47,591 --> 01:18:48,857 and with one or two people. 1696 01:18:48,859 --> 01:18:51,793 Bitlnstant was just a domain name. 1697 01:18:51,795 --> 01:18:53,428 Charlie and Bitlnstant 1698 01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:55,030 moved into their new offices 1699 01:18:55,032 --> 01:18:57,265 I always wonder if Satoshi knew 1700 01:18:57,267 --> 01:18:59,634 that he was gonna build something that would foster 1701 01:18:59,636 --> 01:19:01,803 companies like this, 1702 01:19:01,805 --> 01:19:04,573 where we're actually like a company with jobs 1703 01:19:04,575 --> 01:19:07,476 based on something that someone we don't know wrote a paper on. 1704 01:19:07,478 --> 01:19:09,344 It's kind of creepy if you think about it. 1705 01:19:09,346 --> 01:19:11,847 I wonder if he's watching us right now or something. 1706 01:19:13,382 --> 01:19:14,816 In San Francisco, 1707 01:19:14,818 --> 01:19:16,651 Jered and Tradehill had moved 1708 01:19:16,653 --> 01:19:19,121 into their new space as well. 1709 01:19:19,123 --> 01:19:21,456 It sounds funny. It's not a $100-million Market anymore. 1710 01:19:21,458 --> 01:19:23,058 It's grown beyond that. 1711 01:19:23,060 --> 01:19:25,560 More professional people are in the space 1712 01:19:25,562 --> 01:19:28,163 and they're expecting to deal with other professionals. 1713 01:19:28,165 --> 01:19:30,265 But just as things were ramping up, 1714 01:19:30,267 --> 01:19:32,968 regulators started taking a closer look at Bitcoin. 1715 01:19:35,104 --> 01:19:37,773 Some bad news for Bitcoin, or is it? 1716 01:19:37,775 --> 01:19:39,608 Its days of glory could be ending. 1717 01:19:39,610 --> 01:19:41,042 At least two dozen companies 1718 01:19:41,044 --> 01:19:42,577 have been subpoenaed by New York's 1719 01:19:42,579 --> 01:19:44,412 department of financial services. 1720 01:19:44,414 --> 01:19:45,814 Can't be a good thing. 1721 01:19:45,816 --> 01:19:49,251 Bitlnstant, BitPay, Coinbase 1722 01:19:49,253 --> 01:19:52,921 and Winklevoss capital were all issued subpoenas. 1723 01:19:52,923 --> 01:19:55,157 We want to make sure that as this enterprise grows 1724 01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:57,125 and if it does become a place where 1725 01:19:57,127 --> 01:19:59,427 a lot of people are engaging in financial transactions 1726 01:19:59,429 --> 01:20:02,264 that we have sufficient protections in place. 1727 01:20:02,266 --> 01:20:04,933 With increased pressure in banking compliance issues, 1728 01:20:04,935 --> 01:20:07,736 Bitlnstant was forced to suspend services. 1729 01:20:14,744 --> 01:20:16,745 Jered faced similar battles. 1730 01:20:16,747 --> 01:20:19,080 Due to a lack of regulation, 1731 01:20:19,082 --> 01:20:22,717 many banks decided to cut ties with Bitcoin companies. 1732 01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:24,653 Without a U.S. bank account 1733 01:20:24,655 --> 01:20:26,555 Tradehill can't operate, 1734 01:20:26,557 --> 01:20:28,156 and Jered was forced to pull the plug. 1735 01:20:33,095 --> 01:20:35,797 Regulation typically evolves 1736 01:20:35,799 --> 01:20:37,966 much more slowly than innovation. 1737 01:20:37,968 --> 01:20:40,101 And regulations cannot keep pace 1738 01:20:40,103 --> 01:20:41,369 with the pace of innovation. 1739 01:20:42,772 --> 01:20:44,472 Explaining Bitcoin to a bank 1740 01:20:44,474 --> 01:20:46,174 feels like explaining Amazon. Com 1741 01:20:46,176 --> 01:20:48,076 to Barnes & noble. 1742 01:20:48,078 --> 01:20:50,212 Until lawmakers catch up, 1743 01:20:50,214 --> 01:20:52,214 startups like Tradehill and Bitlnstant 1744 01:20:52,216 --> 01:20:53,548 are left out on a limb. 1745 01:20:55,384 --> 01:20:58,887 Banks do not want to bank Bitcoin companies. 1746 01:20:58,889 --> 01:21:00,622 When you have regulation, you can comply with it. 1747 01:21:00,624 --> 01:21:03,525 When you don't have any regulation, they're not exactly sure. 1748 01:21:03,527 --> 01:21:06,561 And if the banks aren't sure, they just default to "no." 1749 01:21:06,563 --> 01:21:10,365 New regulation takes at least one year to develop 1750 01:21:10,367 --> 01:21:12,234 propose and adopt. 1751 01:21:12,236 --> 01:21:13,635 And in many cases, 1752 01:21:13,637 --> 01:21:15,103 it can take much longer than that. 1753 01:21:17,740 --> 01:21:19,741 I won't let this go. 1754 01:21:19,743 --> 01:21:22,210 I will fight till the end for Bitcoin. 1755 01:21:22,212 --> 01:21:24,546 Whether I have to work on the street or sell lemonade, 1756 01:21:24,548 --> 01:21:26,281 Bitcoin's gonna succeed one way or another 1757 01:21:26,283 --> 01:21:27,483 and I'm gonna be a part of it. 1758 01:21:34,223 --> 01:21:36,091 Over the past several months 1759 01:21:36,093 --> 01:21:39,060 the Bitcoin mining landscape has changed significantly 1760 01:21:45,601 --> 01:21:47,168 When I started, 1761 01:21:47,170 --> 01:21:49,271 Bitcoin mining was a hobby for geeks. 1762 01:21:49,273 --> 01:21:51,339 Now it's big business. 1763 01:21:51,341 --> 01:21:53,308 In order to continue mining 1764 01:21:53,310 --> 01:21:54,843 and continue playing in the game 1765 01:21:54,845 --> 01:21:56,244 and be competitive and be profitable, 1766 01:21:56,246 --> 01:21:57,913 I would have to spend 1767 01:21:57,915 --> 01:21:59,681 hundreds of thousands of dollars on gear. 1768 01:22:01,284 --> 01:22:03,251 The 18 miners I ordered from Avalon 1769 01:22:03,253 --> 01:22:05,020 never arrived. 1770 01:22:05,022 --> 01:22:07,155 And the units from butterfly labs 1771 01:22:07,157 --> 01:22:09,190 took over a year to ship. 1772 01:22:09,192 --> 01:22:11,326 By the time I got them, 1773 01:22:11,328 --> 01:22:13,428 Bitcoin mining was so competitive, 1774 01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:14,930 that I would never be able to mine back 1775 01:22:14,932 --> 01:22:17,465 all the coins I used to buy them. 1776 01:22:17,467 --> 01:22:19,768 See that computer? That computer makes Bitcoins. 1777 01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:23,538 And this is all the other computers that are making Bitcoins too, 1778 01:22:23,540 --> 01:22:26,741 and it goes straight up in a line up in the air. 1779 01:22:26,743 --> 01:22:28,076 And that's 'cause there's a lot people 1780 01:22:28,078 --> 01:22:30,979 that are making Bitcoins with computers like that. 1781 01:22:30,981 --> 01:22:32,948 As my new units are arriving, 1782 01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:34,549 I'm selling them for Bitcoins 1783 01:22:34,551 --> 01:22:35,984 to try to recoup what I can. 1784 01:22:35,986 --> 01:22:37,752 If you don't mind grabbing those other cables, 1785 01:22:37,754 --> 01:22:39,521 - I'm not coming back up. - Okay. 1786 01:22:40,957 --> 01:22:42,477 I'm taking a pretty big hit... 1787 01:22:43,592 --> 01:22:45,260 But overall the mining experience 1788 01:22:45,262 --> 01:22:46,528 has still been worth it. 1789 01:22:50,833 --> 01:22:52,600 My mining days may be over, 1790 01:22:52,602 --> 01:22:54,803 but I'm still very involved with Bitcoin. 1791 01:22:54,805 --> 01:22:56,972 With Bitcoin, it's a money system where 1792 01:22:56,974 --> 01:23:00,041 it's backed by math. It's back by the laws of mathematics 1793 01:23:00,043 --> 01:23:01,743 and by the rules of the protocol. 1794 01:23:01,745 --> 01:23:03,745 I keep thinking that there's gotta be an easier way 1795 01:23:03,747 --> 01:23:05,447 to just set up a secondary protocol 1796 01:23:05,449 --> 01:23:07,415 to trade private keys. 1797 01:23:07,417 --> 01:23:09,751 Every time I log on, I see another dot on China 1798 01:23:09,753 --> 01:23:12,420 and I'm like, this is why right now the price has gone up. 1799 01:23:12,422 --> 01:23:15,557 The price is nearing 150 again. 1800 01:23:15,559 --> 01:23:17,492 Many attribute it to the explosion 1801 01:23:17,494 --> 01:23:19,894 of Bitcoin's popularity in China. 1802 01:23:19,896 --> 01:23:21,663 What's happened recently is Chinese people 1803 01:23:21,665 --> 01:23:22,998 have really come and adopted Bitcoin. 1804 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,834 As a culture, as a nation 1805 01:23:25,836 --> 01:23:27,836 Chinese people are keen to learn about 1806 01:23:27,838 --> 01:23:29,871 things that are on the Internet, 1807 01:23:29,873 --> 01:23:31,606 things that involve math and science. 1808 01:23:31,608 --> 01:23:34,409 We think that China can really contribute in this space 1809 01:23:34,411 --> 01:23:36,644 and help bring Bitcoin to the mainstream. 1810 01:23:36,646 --> 01:23:38,780 Germany's another part of the world 1811 01:23:38,782 --> 01:23:40,415 where Bitcoin has found a home. 1812 01:23:40,417 --> 01:23:42,884 It's starting to get normal if one person a day 1813 01:23:42,886 --> 01:23:45,286 comes in and buys a coffee with Bitcoins. 1814 01:23:45,288 --> 01:23:48,223 People are looking for a new way of paying-- 1815 01:23:48,225 --> 01:23:49,824 Not through banks, not with Euros, 1816 01:23:49,826 --> 01:23:51,066 not with dollars. Something new. 1817 01:23:52,795 --> 01:23:54,829 The German ministry of finance 1818 01:23:54,831 --> 01:23:56,931 even became the first governing body 1819 01:23:56,933 --> 01:23:59,567 to officially classify Bitcoin as "private money." 1820 01:23:59,569 --> 01:24:01,703 I believe if we want to get 1821 01:24:01,705 --> 01:24:03,772 some justice back into our society, 1822 01:24:03,774 --> 01:24:06,741 we should reduce the importance of the banks. 1823 01:24:06,743 --> 01:24:09,778 Bitcoin is banking without banks, 1824 01:24:09,780 --> 01:24:10,780 so here we go. 1825 01:24:14,083 --> 01:24:16,885 The FBI today shut down what it's calling 1826 01:24:16,887 --> 01:24:19,187 the most sophisticated Internet site 1827 01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:21,456 in the business of selling hard drugs, 1828 01:24:21,458 --> 01:24:24,225 including heroin, cocaine and LSD. 1829 01:24:24,227 --> 01:24:25,727 In the Sci-Fi section 1830 01:24:25,729 --> 01:24:27,796 of a San Francisco public library, 1831 01:24:27,798 --> 01:24:29,964 undercover agents surprised a young man 1832 01:24:29,966 --> 01:24:32,467 quietly working on his laptop. 1833 01:24:32,469 --> 01:24:35,236 They arrested a 29-year-old software engineer 1834 01:24:35,238 --> 01:24:37,205 named Ross Albrecht 1835 01:24:37,207 --> 01:24:39,140 and accused him of being the mastermind 1836 01:24:39,142 --> 01:24:41,609 behind the silk road. 1837 01:24:41,611 --> 01:24:43,311 People have always tied the silk road to it. 1838 01:24:43,313 --> 01:24:45,213 Media has always tied the silk road to it, 1839 01:24:45,215 --> 01:24:48,716 as if silk road is Bitcoin, but it's not. 1840 01:24:48,718 --> 01:24:51,619 This may be a sign that Bitcoin is growing up. 1841 01:24:51,621 --> 01:24:53,655 It's funny. My friend just I.M.'D me and said, 1842 01:24:53,657 --> 01:24:54,989 "silk road got raided 1843 01:24:54,991 --> 01:24:58,393 and the government seized $3.6 million in Bitcoin. 1844 01:24:58,395 --> 01:25:01,262 Is there a way to invalidate Bitcoins?" 1845 01:25:01,264 --> 01:25:03,131 I replied, "no." 1846 01:25:10,573 --> 01:25:12,107 People are starting to finally realize 1847 01:25:12,109 --> 01:25:14,909 that Bitcoin has nothing to do with how people use it. 1848 01:25:14,911 --> 01:25:16,411 It's just money. It's like gold. 1849 01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,781 Of course, not everyone thinks 1850 01:25:19,783 --> 01:25:22,016 Bitcoin is the way of the future. 1851 01:25:22,018 --> 01:25:23,751 Bitcoin will not be able 1852 01:25:23,753 --> 01:25:26,554 to survive or thrive 1853 01:25:26,556 --> 01:25:29,290 without becoming legitimate. 1854 01:25:29,292 --> 01:25:30,558 I don't see it 1855 01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,827 having a serious place 1856 01:25:32,829 --> 01:25:33,995 in our financial system. 1857 01:25:35,197 --> 01:25:36,431 There are really good reasons 1858 01:25:36,433 --> 01:25:38,733 why we have central banks 1859 01:25:38,735 --> 01:25:41,636 that have the power to put out financial fires 1860 01:25:41,638 --> 01:25:43,104 by printing money. 1861 01:25:43,106 --> 01:25:46,474 I'm worried about the technology. 1862 01:25:46,476 --> 01:25:48,243 As Darth Vader once said, 1863 01:25:48,245 --> 01:25:50,245 "don't put all your faith in technology." 1864 01:25:50,247 --> 01:25:51,813 I think 10 years from now, 1865 01:25:51,815 --> 01:25:53,915 we'll look back on this and just kind of chuckle 1866 01:25:53,917 --> 01:25:56,284 at the Bitcoin fad. 1867 01:25:56,286 --> 01:25:58,486 "Oh yeah, I remember Bitcoin. 1868 01:25:58,488 --> 01:26:01,556 Oh yeah, I remember that." 1869 01:26:01,558 --> 01:26:03,024 It's financial freedom. 1870 01:26:03,026 --> 01:26:05,393 Come on, bro. This is the new world, bro. 1871 01:26:05,395 --> 01:26:07,195 Others are more optimistic. 1872 01:26:07,197 --> 01:26:08,963 I think within 10 years, 1873 01:26:08,965 --> 01:26:11,065 you're gonna have a lot of people using Bitcoin, 1874 01:26:11,067 --> 01:26:12,734 but they're not gonna realize that they're using it, 1875 01:26:12,736 --> 01:26:14,802 because it's gonna be a protocol that's imbedded underneath 1876 01:26:14,804 --> 01:26:16,971 whatever financial service they're using today. 1877 01:26:16,973 --> 01:26:18,973 And by Bitcoin being open-source 1878 01:26:18,975 --> 01:26:20,875 it's what can allow all these different mobile wallets 1879 01:26:20,877 --> 01:26:22,443 and all these financial technologies 1880 01:26:22,445 --> 01:26:23,645 to all talk to each other, 1881 01:26:23,647 --> 01:26:26,047 especially around the world. 1882 01:26:26,049 --> 01:26:27,649 Whoever the hell Satoshi was, 1883 01:26:27,651 --> 01:26:30,084 he should go down in history as one of the greatest people 1884 01:26:30,086 --> 01:26:31,719 or groups of people that ever existed. 1885 01:26:31,721 --> 01:26:33,955 This is a technology that mankind has needed 1886 01:26:33,957 --> 01:26:35,490 for thousands of years. 1887 01:26:35,492 --> 01:26:37,825 People have been dealing with monetary shenanigans 1888 01:26:37,827 --> 01:26:40,628 since the Roman empire clipping gold coins. 1889 01:26:40,630 --> 01:26:42,897 And finally people can escape it. 1890 01:26:42,899 --> 01:26:46,634 I'm cautious to try to predict the future. 1891 01:26:46,636 --> 01:26:48,069 We don't really know. 1892 01:26:48,071 --> 01:26:50,705 I tend to be a technological optimist. 1893 01:26:50,707 --> 01:26:52,974 I see the democratization of technology 1894 01:26:52,976 --> 01:26:54,709 as being a really positive thing. 1895 01:26:54,711 --> 01:26:58,646 And I think that's a really powerful force 1896 01:26:58,648 --> 01:27:00,515 that is really only just beginning. 1897 01:27:25,007 --> 01:27:27,175 Not bad. Oh! 1898 01:27:38,221 --> 01:27:41,356 Recently, as the price has been floating around 200 again, 1899 01:27:41,358 --> 01:27:44,058 I have a lot of friends that have asked me, 1900 01:27:44,060 --> 01:27:47,462 "are you gonna cash out some of your Bitcoins now? 1901 01:27:47,464 --> 01:27:50,865 The price is really high. You should get some dollars out of it." 1902 01:27:50,867 --> 01:27:53,935 I kind of tell 'em, "no, don't you see it?" 1903 01:27:55,771 --> 01:27:57,572 I've met so many interesting people 1904 01:27:57,574 --> 01:27:59,407 and there seems to be one thing that kind of binds 1905 01:27:59,409 --> 01:28:01,709 a lot of them together, and that is that 1906 01:28:01,711 --> 01:28:04,145 they're willing to face opposition 1907 01:28:04,147 --> 01:28:06,267 and follow through on the ideas that they believe in. 1908 01:28:07,483 --> 01:28:09,250 The people who try the crazy ideas 1909 01:28:09,252 --> 01:28:11,919 often fail and then everybody likes to point their fingers 1910 01:28:11,921 --> 01:28:14,055 and laugh and say, "that was such a stupid idea." 1911 01:28:14,057 --> 01:28:16,557 But once in a while it works out. 1912 01:28:16,559 --> 01:28:18,559 I think Bitcoin is proving to be 1913 01:28:18,561 --> 01:28:19,961 one of those things. 1914 01:28:27,102 --> 01:28:28,836 The decision to bring virtual currency 1915 01:28:28,838 --> 01:28:30,938 within the scope of our regulatory framework 1916 01:28:30,940 --> 01:28:32,073 should be viewed as 1917 01:28:32,075 --> 01:28:33,941 a positive development for this sector. 1918 01:28:33,943 --> 01:28:35,643 I'm here to testify, because I believe 1919 01:28:35,645 --> 01:28:37,812 that digital currency represents 1920 01:28:37,814 --> 01:28:39,714 one of the most important technical 1921 01:28:39,716 --> 01:28:41,749 and economic innovations of our time. 1922 01:28:41,751 --> 01:28:44,652 We are enthusiastic about the potential 1923 01:28:44,654 --> 01:28:45,887 of virtual currencies 1924 01:28:45,889 --> 01:28:47,989 and the digital economy for social good. 1925 01:28:52,594 --> 01:28:55,196 This latest generation of technology 1926 01:28:55,198 --> 01:28:56,731 which we're talking about today 1927 01:28:56,733 --> 01:28:59,200 takes things to a whole new level. 1928 01:28:59,202 --> 01:29:00,768 There's a bit 1929 01:29:00,770 --> 01:29:02,136 of a shared responsibility here 1930 01:29:02,138 --> 01:29:03,871 in trying to figure out how to make this work. 1931 01:29:03,873 --> 01:29:06,541 It is a little strange that Bitcoin-- 1932 01:29:06,543 --> 01:29:07,809 We don't know who the creator is 1933 01:29:07,811 --> 01:29:10,745 and so that often 1934 01:29:10,747 --> 01:29:12,113 conjures up the idea that there's 1935 01:29:12,115 --> 01:29:13,781 some risk here that we have not-- 1936 01:29:13,783 --> 01:29:15,183 You don't think it was Al Gore, do you? 1937 01:29:18,787 --> 01:29:20,288 If you think a little broadly, 1938 01:29:20,290 --> 01:29:22,757 this could, again, have huge huge implications. 1939 01:29:32,935 --> 01:29:36,237 2013 was the year Bitcoin first entered the mainstream 1940 01:29:36,239 --> 01:29:39,741 and 2014 got off to a dramatic start. 1941 01:29:39,743 --> 01:29:42,243 Just as we were wrapping things up on our film, 1942 01:29:42,245 --> 01:29:44,112 Charlie Shrem was arrested 1943 01:29:44,114 --> 01:29:47,148 after returning from a Bitcoin conference in Amsterdam. 1944 01:29:47,150 --> 01:29:50,151 He could be facing up to 30 years in prison 1945 01:29:50,153 --> 01:29:52,787 on charges related to his activities at Bitlnstant. 1946 01:29:56,925 --> 01:29:59,560 In J.F.K., you walk right off the plane, 1947 01:29:59,562 --> 01:30:01,796 and you go straight to customs. 1948 01:30:01,798 --> 01:30:03,698 About three agents in front of me 1949 01:30:03,700 --> 01:30:05,800 and then four agents behind me said, 1950 01:30:05,802 --> 01:30:07,702 "Mr. Shrem, please come with us." 1951 01:30:07,704 --> 01:30:10,271 They took me to an interrogating room, 1952 01:30:10,273 --> 01:30:11,873 told me that I'm being arrested 1953 01:30:11,875 --> 01:30:14,108 on federal crimes of money laundering, 1954 01:30:14,110 --> 01:30:16,110 running an unlicensed money transmission business 1955 01:30:16,112 --> 01:30:19,781 and failing to file suspicious-activity reports. 1956 01:30:19,783 --> 01:30:22,884 The indictment alleged that Charlie had sold Bitcoins 1957 01:30:22,886 --> 01:30:25,520 to a reseller that operated on the silk road. 1958 01:30:26,555 --> 01:30:28,623 What sucks is the house arrest. 1959 01:30:28,625 --> 01:30:32,059 I have to pretty much be here all the time, every day. I can't even go outside 1960 01:30:32,061 --> 01:30:34,822 unless I'm going to my lawyer's office, which is once or twice a week. 1961 01:30:35,597 --> 01:30:37,365 I pretty much lost my freedom, 1962 01:30:37,367 --> 01:30:39,447 lost everything that I've built over the past year. 1963 01:30:42,204 --> 01:30:44,405 Charlie's arrest wasn't the only bad news 1964 01:30:44,407 --> 01:30:47,074 that rocked the community in the new year. 1965 01:30:47,076 --> 01:30:50,178 For months there had been rumors that Mt. Gox had become insolvent. 1966 01:30:50,180 --> 01:30:53,881 And in February the site went offline. 1967 01:30:56,352 --> 01:30:57,832 Do you still have everyone's Bitcoins? 1968 01:31:00,856 --> 01:31:02,757 I'm not touching you. I haven't touched you. 1969 01:31:02,759 --> 01:31:05,293 Do you still have everyone's Bitcoins? 1970 01:31:13,036 --> 01:31:14,368 The rumors turned out to be true. 1971 01:31:32,621 --> 01:31:34,889 Mt. Gox had reportedly been hacked 1972 01:31:34,891 --> 01:31:37,892 and nearly half a billion dollars worth of Bitcoin were missing. 1973 01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:44,632 Mark was forced to step down as C.E.O. 1974 01:31:44,634 --> 01:31:46,801 And Mt. Gox went into bankruptcy. 1975 01:31:53,375 --> 01:31:55,977 A national magazine claims to have identified 1976 01:31:55,979 --> 01:31:57,712 the mysterious founder of the worldwide 1977 01:31:57,714 --> 01:31:59,614 digital currency called Bitcoin. 1978 01:31:59,616 --> 01:32:01,115 Tonight he is speaking out, 1979 01:32:01,117 --> 01:32:02,450 but he says he has 1980 01:32:02,452 --> 01:32:03,951 nothing whatsoever to do with Bitcoin. 1981 01:32:03,953 --> 01:32:05,887 Why did you create Bitcoin, sir? 1982 01:32:05,889 --> 01:32:06,954 Okay. 1983 01:32:10,226 --> 01:32:11,792 Man *2: Sir, can we ask you about Bitcoin? 1984 01:32:11,794 --> 01:32:13,027 - No no no no no. - Why were you involved in Bitcoin? 1985 01:32:13,029 --> 01:32:16,564 Okay, I'm not involved in Bitcoin, okay? 1986 01:32:16,566 --> 01:32:17,698 - Who's involved in it? - Wait a minute. 1987 01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:18,966 I want a free lunch first. 1988 01:32:18,968 --> 01:32:20,368 I'm gonna go with this guy. 1989 01:32:21,737 --> 01:32:24,872 I want a big one. Yeah. 1990 01:32:24,874 --> 01:32:26,908 Oh, okay. Yeah, this will be good. 1991 01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:29,744 - Oh jeez. - We have some water. 1992 01:32:29,746 --> 01:32:32,079 Hey, where's yours? 1993 01:32:32,081 --> 01:32:35,182 "Newsweek" claimed the creator of Bitcoin 1994 01:32:35,184 --> 01:32:37,218 had not used a pseudonym. 1995 01:32:37,220 --> 01:32:38,953 They connected the dots 1996 01:32:38,955 --> 01:32:40,955 to a 64-year-old Japanese man 1997 01:32:40,957 --> 01:32:43,057 living in Los Angeles... 1998 01:32:43,059 --> 01:32:46,527 Named Dorian Prentice Satoshi Nakamoto. 1999 01:32:47,930 --> 01:32:50,464 Nakamoto immediately denied the allegations 2000 01:32:50,466 --> 01:32:52,800 and said he'd tell his story to the first reporter 2001 01:32:52,802 --> 01:32:54,602 who agreed to buy him lunch. 2002 01:32:54,604 --> 01:32:56,437 The main reason I'm here is 2003 01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,240 to clear my name, that I have nothing 2004 01:32:59,242 --> 01:33:01,142 - to do with Bitcoin... - Yup. 2005 01:33:01,144 --> 01:33:03,911 ...nothing to do with developing. 2006 01:33:03,913 --> 01:33:07,114 I was just an engineer doing something else. 2007 01:33:07,116 --> 01:33:09,350 As the media frenzy escalated, 2008 01:33:09,352 --> 01:33:12,186 "Newsweek's" claims started to unravel. 2009 01:33:12,188 --> 01:33:14,922 Holes in the story led many to believe 2010 01:33:14,924 --> 01:33:16,924 it was nothing more than sensational journalism. 2011 01:33:18,393 --> 01:33:20,094 There was no conclusive evidence 2012 01:33:20,096 --> 01:33:21,762 tying Dorian to Bitcoin. 2013 01:33:23,365 --> 01:33:24,899 Amidst the uncertainty, 2014 01:33:24,901 --> 01:33:26,334 on that same day... 2015 01:33:27,469 --> 01:33:29,236 A comment suddenly appeared 2016 01:33:29,238 --> 01:33:32,773 on Satoshi's long-dormant profile page which read... 2017 01:33:41,416 --> 01:33:43,818 Maybe we'll never know who created Bitcoin... 2018 01:33:45,020 --> 01:33:46,554 But the truth is 2019 01:33:46,556 --> 01:33:48,122 it doesn't really matter. 2020 01:33:49,858 --> 01:33:51,459 Bitcoin belongs to everyone. 2021 01:33:52,594 --> 01:33:54,762 And the future is ours to build. 2022 01:34:21,456 --> 01:34:23,958 Put $100,000 on Market orders right now. 2023 01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,626 - Why? - Let's do it. Let's do it. Come on. 2024 01:34:25,628 --> 01:34:27,595 - Come on. - Why? What's gonna happen? 2025 01:34:27,597 --> 01:34:29,597 Buy 100k worth of Bitcoins right now. 2026 01:34:29,599 --> 01:34:30,731 - Why? - Do it. 2027 01:34:30,733 --> 01:34:32,099 - I don't wanna do it. - Do it. 2028 01:34:32,101 --> 01:34:33,734 You owe me $100,000. Do it. 2029 01:34:33,736 --> 01:34:35,636 I'll send you $100,000 in Bitcoins. 2030 01:34:35,638 --> 01:34:37,204 No, you buy it. But 100k right now. 2031 01:34:37,206 --> 01:34:39,874 Dude, I can't. I need the floating Gox for volume. 2032 01:34:39,876 --> 01:34:43,044 Closing bell for Satoshi square! 2033 01:34:43,046 --> 01:34:44,145 All right, does this look right? 2034 01:34:44,147 --> 01:34:45,579 1-n-p-w? Yup. 2035 01:34:45,581 --> 01:34:47,048 Yup, okay. 2036 01:34:47,050 --> 01:34:48,050 And I owe you 0.2? 2037 01:34:48,051 --> 01:34:50,317 - Uh... 0.18. - 0.18. 2038 01:34:50,319 --> 01:34:53,654 This is for Bitcoin t-shirt. 2039 01:34:53,656 --> 01:34:55,823 I got 'em. A pleasure, sir. 2040 01:34:55,825 --> 01:34:57,324 Great doing business with you. 2041 01:34:57,326 --> 01:34:59,427 - Gonna wear your shirt proudly. - Do it. 2042 01:34:59,429 --> 01:35:01,128 That's one thing that's interesting about Bitcoin. 2043 01:35:01,130 --> 01:35:03,197 It's like, how do you declare losses? 2044 01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:05,766 You point to two transactions that happened on the Internet 2045 01:35:05,768 --> 01:35:08,069 and you tell the I.R.S. That you owned that? 2046 01:35:08,071 --> 01:35:10,438 "Oh, I used to own that and I lost the private key." 2047 01:35:11,707 --> 01:35:13,374 And then if you really do lose it, 2048 01:35:13,376 --> 01:35:15,376 how do you write it off for taxes? 2049 01:35:15,378 --> 01:35:17,044 Oh, that's gonna be interesting. 2050 01:35:21,283 --> 01:35:23,584 We love Bitcoin. 2051 01:35:23,586 --> 01:35:26,020 Okay, guys, we're gonna play a special version of hopscotch 2052 01:35:26,022 --> 01:35:29,290 called "Bitcoin blockchain hopscotch." 2053 01:35:29,292 --> 01:35:32,126 Oh, you lost all your Bitcoins! 2054 01:35:33,730 --> 01:35:35,596 Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? 2055 01:35:37,266 --> 01:35:40,234 I'd... rather not tell you, 2056 01:35:40,236 --> 01:35:41,602 - but yeah. - Oh, do you know? 2057 01:35:41,604 --> 01:35:44,338 Uh, maybe not, maybe. 2058 01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:45,906 Oh. 2059 01:35:45,908 --> 01:35:48,776 You know, I have a Bitcoin and a half myself now. 2060 01:35:48,778 --> 01:35:50,578 Which I think probably in 10 years 2061 01:35:54,416 --> 01:35:56,083 When you think about it hard enough 2062 01:35:56,085 --> 01:35:58,452 on a global scale, this is a net gain for humanity. 168281

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