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Lord Jesus Christ,
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in this admirable sacrament
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you left us
the memorial of your passion ...
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give us to worship
of such a great love ...
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the mystery of your body and your blood
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that we can collect constantly
the fruit of your redemption
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You who reigns
for centuries and centuries. Amen.
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Well, have to go there!
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I finish the page.
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Married.
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My name is Alexandre Guérin.
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Married...
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I'm 40 years old, I'm married,
and father of 5 children.
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They are schooled at Lazariste in Lyon,
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where my wife is a teacher herself.
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After a long time in doubt,
then in conflict with the church,
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I have always kept intimate contact
with the love of Christ.
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and I raise my children in
the faith of his love.
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I met some time ago
the father of a little boy
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in the same school as my kids ...
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Like me he was the Scouts of Saint Luc
in Sainte-Foy-lès-Lyon ...
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We remembered our memories
childhood, school, scout camps
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And he asked me this question which
still trot in my head ...
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You too have fiddled with
by Father Preynat?
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It is certainly this
discussion and this sentence
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which allowed me to write to you.
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I will not go by 4 ways,
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for nearly two years, at Scouts, between
my 9th and my 12th year,
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I suffered touching
of priest Bernard Preynat
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who cared for the children.
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After a camp in Portugal,
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where the father had tried
to force me to masturbate him,
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I flew the scouts
on my return to France.
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Lord, I am not worthy
to receive you,
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but say only one word
and I will be healed.
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The body of Christ ...
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Unfortunately the story
do not stop there ...
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I discover then,
1 month ago by chance
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that Father Preynat came back on
the region of Lyon ...
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for several years ... as before,
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and that he intervened for the pastoral
some colleges.
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Even though I could forgive what I could,
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and that the shadow of his trace will accompany me
still throughout my life,
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many questions haunt me.
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Were you aware?
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Has he had any sanctions?
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Was he sentenced?
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Why does this man take care of
more children?
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Do not be afraid to be afraid ...
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... afraid for our children.
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Respectfully,
Alexandre Guérin.
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Sir, Pierre Durieux told me
forwarded your message ...
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terrible testimony ...
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and we understand that you have needed so much
of time to put it in writing.
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Thank you for addressing
we with confidence.
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I think of your children
and to your whole family ...
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that none of them, to suffer from
far-reaching consequences of these acts.
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Pierre Durieux gave you the
coordinates of Madame Régine Maire
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who agrees to receive and listen
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those who have experienced such suffering
by the fault of a priest.
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May the Lord enlighten us
on the right way to act.
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and that he heal all that
must be in his church.
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Philippe Barbarin.
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... those Saturdays afternoon he took me
in the local photo of the parish.
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right, when we look at the
St Miko square behind the church.
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it was dark, quiet ...
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He closed the door,
and took me in his arms.
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He passed his hand through
my navy blue shorts.
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I was not moving.
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He held me tight.
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Very strong.
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He kissed me in the neck ...
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He was rubbing against my leg ...
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He said to me "I love you" ...
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After, he told me, "It's our secret"
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Always in a benevolent tone.
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On leaving, I found the others.
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And strangely I felt
a sense of pride
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to be elected Father Bernard.
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My parents, my parents' friends,
everyone said ...
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he is exceptional ...
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if all the churchmen
were like him ...
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How long did it last?
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Until Portugal ... in 1986.
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It was a summer camp ...
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organized for scouts
of Saint Luc group
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by Father Bernard, every year.
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During the 7 days of the stay,
I tried to avoid it.
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I constantly found a pretext for
do not find myself alone next to him.
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I was afraid he asked me
to accompany him.
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Many times he asked me
to join him but ...
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I always found an excuse.
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And then there was the football tournament.
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The camp was empty.
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The tents where we slept in the evening too.
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I do not remember why anymore
but at half-time,
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I went to get my medicine
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... I have a chronic illness since
first time he abused me.
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And there, Father Bernard
Follow me in my tent.
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He lies down.
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He lies down next to me ...
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and I feel his weight.
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Her big belly on me ...
and it begins again.
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He kisses me with the tongue.
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He lowers my fly.
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He puts his hand ...
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He rubs himself.
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He is breathing hard.
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And he put me ...
my hand on her sex.
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There is nobody besides us ...
And the sense more ... urgent.
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Excited.
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Suddenly I hear someone outside,
and I take advantage of it.
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It's like a click.
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I'm going out, and I'm going to find
the soccer field.
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Excuse me.
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Thank you for you
to be entrusted to Alexander.
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This kind of thing happened ...
Alas, they are still coming.
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At the time, the custom
was to move the priest.
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But you know Father Preynat?
- By name, yes.
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Not personally.
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You take away...
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So ?
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I told him everything.
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And what did she say?
- Not much.
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She listened to me ...
and we prayed ...
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So you have to talk to the kids
now. That you explain to them.
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You think ?
- Yes.
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They will ask me questions.
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They see that you are concerned.
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Especially the big ones.
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I always felt that
my family had abandoned me.
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That they sent me to the scouts
to get rid of me.
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But it's not true.
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Papi and Grandma have not abandoned you.
- No.
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But deep down inside, I blame them
for not protecting me.
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So that's why you did not want
we go to scouts.
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Yeah.
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And you told them, grandpa and grandma?
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Ben, at 17, when I was able to
tell them everything, they listened to me.
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But I felt that
did not interest them.
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They did not want to feel guilty.
- Yes maybe.
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Now that I have seen the
church psychologist
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Barbarin proposed that I meet
the priest who abused me.
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And I do not know what to do.
- He may be asking you for forgiveness.
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Yes maybe.
- And you will forgive him?
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I do not know if it's possible.
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And why are you doing all this daddy?
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for what I suffered
do not happen again.
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And then for you.
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If something happens to you
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you will know now that he does not
do not be afraid to talk.
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Hello father,
I met Alexander this summer
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I found a man without bitterness
and in peace.
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The cardinal told me that you would be
agree to meet him ...
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and I thank you for it because it will be
factor of peace and healing.
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Would you take
directly contact with him,
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do you come to Lyon from time to time?
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At this moment Alexander is often
on Paris for his work.
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Thank you for your reply,
and may God bless your ministry.
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Cordially.
Regine Mayor.
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Wash me of my faults, lord ...
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and cleanse me from my sin.
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Regine Hello, and thank you so much
for your mediation.
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Because it's one of them.
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I do not ask for anything better than
to meet Alexander, if he wishes.
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Maybe you can ask him 2 or 3
moments, where he would be available
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and I'll manage to come to Lyon.
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You will need to set up a meeting place.
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Or, if he prefers me to contact him,
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if it's easier,
I let you see with him.
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Please pray for me.
Bernard.
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Alexandre, I just had a
positive answer from Bernard Preynat.
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He's ready to come to Lyon,
and wish you to offer him
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2 or 3 moments when it would be
possible for you.
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For the place, it could be
the diocesan house.
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where we met.
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Good to you.
Regine Mayor.
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This is good news,
even if it's a bit stressful.
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I work again on Paris
for a few days.
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I find 2 or 3 dates when I'm in Lyon
and I tell you.
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The diocesan house is perfect.
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I would also like you to be here ...
to listen.
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You do not want to go anymore?
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I do not know anymore.
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Régine Mayor told me that one day she
had organized a meeting
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between a priest
and a woman he abused
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and that it had gone wrong.
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Why ?
- I do not know, she did not tell me.
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You're scared, that's normal.
- No.
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It's not just fear.
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It's anger.
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What?
- Well, let him deny.
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Let him say that I lie,
that it did not happen.
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And that it is useless.
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It's a risk.
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If you do not go, you'll regret it.
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What I want is for him to admit.
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And that the diocese, Barbarin,
and all the others are witnesses.
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Let them hear it.
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So you have to go.
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Hello father.
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Hello Regine.
- Thanks for coming.
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Hello Alexandre.
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Hello my father.
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Then how
It's okay ?
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In good health ?
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Yes, I am fine.
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Régine told me that you worked in Paris.
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Yes...
in a bank.
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And...
you are married ?
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Yes.
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Do you have babies?
- Yes, I have 5 children.
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Ah well !
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I'm glad to see that ... you have
founded a family, a large family.
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You remember what
you made me, child?
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In the photo lab, Saturdays
afternoon from 1983 to 1986?
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Yes...
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And in Portugal, you are in
remember too?
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Yes Alexandre, I remember it.
- Under the tent.
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You kissed me with the tongue.
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Tight against you.
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Undressed.
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Carressed sex.
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And make touch yours.
- Yes...
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It's a shadow on my life ...
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and all my life I had to live with that.
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I have always been attracted to
for kids,
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and it's always been
a suffering for me.
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A suffering for you?
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And for me ?
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I know the harm I did to children ...
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but it's an illness ...
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I tried to get treatment,
several times.
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Were there any other
kids like me?
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Yes.
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There have been many ...
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especially scouts.
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It was another time.
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Would you accept
today publicly,
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to recognize touching
what did you do to me?
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Its important to me.
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I understand, Alexander ...
but publicly uh ...
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I must confess that I want to avoid ...
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overflows or physical aggression
that it could cause.
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What do you mean ?
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Few years ago,
I was assaulted and molested
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in the garden of my country house.
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by parents,
violent,
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hysterical,
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But finally, you had abused
of their children ...
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Yes, but it's not
a reason to be violent!
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You realize from
what you just said?
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You need to understand
that you are a pedophile.
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And that anger and violence
of those parents against you is nothing
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compared to the suffering you
have done to their children.
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Father Preynat,
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would you like to add something?
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No.
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Directly to Alexander?
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No.
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Alexander.
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No, it's good for me.
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Well, I invite you to get up.
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Our father, who are in heaven,
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that your name be sanctified
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Thy kingdom come
267
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your will be done on the earth
as in heaven
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give us today
our bread of this day
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Forgive us our offenses
as we forgive too
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to those who offended us
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Do not subject us to temptation
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but deliver evil
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Amen
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Hail Mary,
full of grace,
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the Lord is with you
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You are blessed among all women
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and Jesus, the fruit of your womb
is blessed
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Saint Mary, Mother of God
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pray for us, poor sinners,
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now and at the hour of our death.
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So be it.
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Amen.
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Goodbye Régine.
- Thanks father.
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Are you okay?
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How are children?
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Yes Dad.
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Dad...
- Yes ?
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He's smart, huh ...
289
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He knows that it's been more than 30 years,
it's prescribed ...
290
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He is not risking anything now.
291
00: 18: 36,590 -> 00: 18: 38,853
What matters is that he confessed before
a representative of the church
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who's going to tell Barbarin everything,
293
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like that they will clear it
once and for all.
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Hopefully.
295
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But I do not believe it too much.
296
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But if, Barbarin
he is a brave man.
297
00: 18: 46,743 -> 00: 18: 50,087
He had a chance, and he always denounced
pedophilia within the church then ...
298
00: 18: 50,512 -> 00: 18: 51,791
Wait, I'm sure that in the diocese
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everyone knew for Preynat
nobody said anything,
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Nobody did anything during
all these years.
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Do you know what to do?
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You would have to testify, too.
303
00: 18: 59,384 -> 00: 19: 01,322
That you tell what he did to you like that
they will see that I am not alone
304
00: 19: 01,327 -> 00: 19: 03,327
and there are other victims
305
00: 19: 03,696 -> 00: 19: 05,868
I dunno...
- Yes, you have to talk.
306
00: 19: 06,406 -> 00: 19: 08,164
I give them their mail, and you write them.
307
00: 19: 09,452 -> 00: 19: 11,537
Listen Isabelle freaks a little with all
this story.
308
00: 19: 11,553 -> 00: 19: 13,530
She's afraid it'll be known, the rumors ...
309
00: 19: 13,992 -> 00: 19: 16,952
I feel that for our couple would be
complicated to expose myself like that.
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It's only within the church.
- Yes, well, I do not really prefer
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you know Isabelle's family.
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Madam,
I thank you for your approach ...
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I think that despite your compassion,
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00: 19: 28,142 -> 00: 19: 30,415
this situation did not have to
to be so easy for you.
315
00: 19: 30,537 -> 00: 19: 33,725
Think about all these children and this past
so dark in our history
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with a pedophile in front of you,
who confesses his crimes
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that brings us
to the question of forgiveness
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but also to broken innocence.
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Not obvious ...
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With all my prayers,
Alexander.
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00: 19: 47,980 -> 00: 19: 50,075
What's the matter ?
- She did not answer me.
322
00: 19: 50,123 -> 00: 19: 52,732
Well, it's the weekend, it's normal,
she will answer on Monday.
323
00: 19: 53,492 -> 00: 19: 55,471
After what happened I thought
that she was going to announce me very quickly
324
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that he was sanctioned.
325
00: 19: 56,902 -> 00: 19: 59,675
She gathered you, he confessed ...
She did her job.
326
00: 20: 00,048 -> 00: 20: 02,313
Now it's up to Barbarin to decide
and to act.
327
00: 20: 02,438 -> 00: 20: 04,371
Well, I hope she
will tell him everything.
328
00: 20: 04,421 -> 00: 20: 07,022
She registered you?
She noted everything?
329
00: 20: 08,631 -> 00: 20: 09,431
No.
330
00: 20: 10,449 -> 00: 20: 11,902
But it's okay, I'm not worried.
331
00: 20: 12,925 -> 00: 20: 15,292
Alexandre, thank you for your message,
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I too wanted to join you.
333
00: 20: 17,069 -> 00: 20: 19,499
Well, the meeting took place,
it's already a step.
334
00: 20: 19,577 -> 00: 20: 21,640
But I would have waited one more step.
335
00: 20: 21,727 -> 00: 20: 23,922
A real request for forgiveness.
336
00: 20: 24,147 -> 00: 20: 26,162
But are the priests able?
337
00: 20: 26,643 -> 00: 20: 29,143
I feel small, there in front.
338
00: 20: 29,630 -> 00: 20: 32,830
I hope this meeting had the
you a taste of peace and healing
339
00: 20: 32,835 -> 00: 20: 36,412
a painful past ... that will leave
always a scar, of course ...
340
00: 20: 37,391 -> 00: 20: 40,962
but who with grace closes
if we do not scratch it too much.
341
00: 20: 41,471 -> 00: 20: 42,611
But she's here.
342
00: 20: 43,150 -> 00: 20: 45,056
But, there is nothing about Barbarin,
it's weird!
343
00: 20: 46,196 -> 00: 20: 49,266
In my opinion, for her it's settled, even if
Preynat did not say "sorry".
344
00: 20: 49,472 -> 00: 20: 52,675
Well I must continue to write to them
- Oh yes, the answer is too light.
345
00: 20: 52,766 -> 00: 20: 55,199
This scar story that needs to be
not too much to scratch ...
346
00: 20: 55,215 -> 00: 20: 57,731
that, from a psychologist,
it's not end ...
347
00: 20: 59,700 -> 00: 21: 02,536
Once again, I am very serene,
without aggression or hatred.
348
00: 21: 02,542 -> 00: 21: 05,445
but it's our duty to the church of
put a name on what it is
349
00: 21: 05,450 -> 00: 21: 07,595
without being afraid, without being ashamed ...
350
00: 21: 08,143 -> 00: 21: 10,534
Father Preynat is a pedophile.
351
00: 21: 10,958 -> 00: 21: 12,950
It does not matter if it's yesterday
or today.
352
00: 21: 13,459 -> 00: 21: 16,686
I pray that Monsignor Barbarin
have the courage to say "Stop".
353
00: 21: 17,260 -> 00: 21: 20,424
and fight this scourge,
who hurt so much the church and its children.
354
00: 21: 20,972 -> 00: 21: 24,066
I hope that Monsignor Barbarin
will allow me to talk to him
355
00: 21: 24,196 -> 00: 21: 25,969
I'm counting on you for
relay this message.
356
00: 21: 26,008 -> 00: 21: 27,258
Mom, where's my shirt?
357
00: 21: 27,264 -> 00: 21: 29,594
You will not mind me putting
in copy for information
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00: 21: 29,599 -> 00: 21: 32,424
and pure chance date, my 2 boys,
Victor and Gauthier,
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00: 21: 32,569 -> 00: 21: 34,681
who will be confirmed by our bishop
this saturday
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00: 21: 34,686 -> 00: 21: 36,686
and who support me in
my way of truth.
361
00: 21: 37,187 -> 00: 21: 38,156
And you ?
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00: 21: 38,414 -> 00: 21: 40,789
Sir,
as you wish
363
00: 21: 40,945 -> 00: 21: 43,758
Régine Mayor sent me the email
that you sent him.
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00: 21: 44,462 -> 00: 21: 45,547
While this meeting
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was clearly made
for him to apologize to you,
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00: 21: 48,429 -> 00: 21: 51,452
it's incomprehensible to me that these
words did not come.
367
00: 21: 52,091 -> 00: 21: 54,184
I'm ready to welcome you, of course
368
00: 21: 54,211 -> 00: 21: 56,172
... I'm ready to welcome you, of course
369
00: 21: 56,316 -> 00: 21: 57,985
Saturday after the confirmation of your sons
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00: 21: 57,990 -> 00: 22: 01,720
it may not be a good time because
you will probably want to be with your family
371
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At least we can greet you,
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00: 22: 03,547 -> 00: 22: 05,649
and if this is not possible
to speak at that moment
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find another moment.
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00: 22: 07,762 -> 00: 22: 11,246
Accompany our prayers every
young people who will be confirmed on Saturday.
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00: 22: 11,965 -> 00: 22: 13,324
Philippe Barbarin.
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00: 22: 28,858 -> 00: 22: 32,194
By baptism,
you delivered them from sin.
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00: 22: 33,627 -> 00: 22: 36,244
You made them reborn,
water and spirit
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00: 22: 36,863 -> 00: 22: 39,722
As you promised,
spread now on them
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00: 22: 39,728 -> 00: 22: 40,903
your holy spirit.
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00: 22: 41,864 -> 00: 22: 46,422
Give them in fullness the spirit that
rested on your son Jesus.
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00: 22: 46,638 -> 00: 22: 49,490
Spirit of wisdom
and intelligence.
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00: 22: 49,766 -> 00: 22: 54,157
Spirit of advice and strength,
spirit of knowledge
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00: 22: 54,648 -> 00: 22: 56,210
and filial affection.
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00: 22: 56,619 -> 00: 22: 58,900
Fill them with the spirit of worship.
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00: 22: 59,458 -> 00: 23: 01,340
Through Jesus Christ our savior
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00: 23: 01,418 -> 00: 23: 02,410
who is alive,
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00: 23: 02,637 -> 00: 23: 04,309
For centuries and centuries...
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00: 23: 04,714 -> 00: 23: 05,808
Amen.
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00: 23: 10,086 -> 00: 23: 11,258
Gauthier ...
390
00: 23: 12,555 -> 00: 23: 14,461
Be marked with the holy spirit.
391
00: 23: 15,067 -> 00: 23: 16,255
The gift of God
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00: 23: 27,458 -> 00: 23: 28,669
Victor ...
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00: 23: 30,054 -> 00: 23: 31,952
Be marked with the holy spirit.
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00: 23: 32,304 -> 00: 23: 33,523
The gift of God
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00: 23: 40,986 -> 00: 23: 42,783
The boys were adorable.
396
00: 23: 42,840 -> 00: 23: 44,770
And Barbarin made a beautiful Sermont.
397
00: 23: 44,791 -> 00: 23: 45,591
Yeah.
398
00: 23: 45,597 -> 00: 23: 47,794
He agreed to meet me
to talk about Preynat.
399
00: 23: 48,870 -> 00: 23: 49,800
Really ?
400
00: 23: 50,611 -> 00: 23: 52,399
Ben, you know that
its important to me.
401
00: 23: 53,709 -> 00: 23: 57,146
It's been more than 30 years Alexandre.
- Yes, well, I need to talk to him.
402
00: 23: 57,514 -> 00: 23: 59,483
Why bother him
with these old stories
403
00: 23: 59,489 -> 00: 24: 01,826
he was not in Lyon at that time,
it is not for nothing.
404
00: 24: 02,141 -> 00: 24: 03,493
Mom, it's about today,
405
00: 24: 03,498 -> 00: 24: 05,666
Father Preynat, still in
contact with children.
406
00: 24: 05,698 -> 00: 24: 08,675
But he became a harmless old man
and surely sick.
407
00: 24: 09,052 -> 00: 24: 10,585
And then, that's not a reason
for the church
408
00: 24: 10,590 -> 00: 24: 12,296
do nothing and do not condemn it.
409
00: 24: 12,387 -> 00: 24: 13,960
What do you want him to do
today ?
410
00: 24: 13,965 -> 00: 24: 15,096
It is no longer useful for anything.
411
00: 24: 15,174 -> 00: 24: 16,683
Barabarin could dismiss him.
412
00: 24: 16,972 -> 00: 24: 19,026
It would be a strong act ...
Symbolic.
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00: 24: 19,278 -> 00: 24: 21,075
who would prove that the church is well
on the side of the victims
414
00: 24: 21,081 -> 00: 24: 22,348
and condemns pedophilia.
415
00: 24: 24,722 -> 00: 24: 26,175
Did you talk to Dad?
416
00: 24: 26,462 -> 00: 24: 28,383
Vaguely.
- And what does he say?
417
00: 24: 28,673 -> 00: 24: 31,243
That you have always been good
to stir up shit.
418
00: 24: 33,538 -> 00: 24: 35,730
When preynat was transferred to Mulhouse in 1991
419
00: 24: 35,736 -> 00: 24: 38,808
and that I told you everything you would have
could have acted, but you did nothing.
420
00: 24: 38,814 -> 00: 24: 40,550
You were already 17 years old.
420
00: 24: 38,814 -> 00: 24: 40,550
You were already 17 years old.
421
00: 24: 45,091 -> 00: 24: 46,877
It's okay ?
- No, I want to leave.
422
00: 24: 46,932 -> 00: 24: 48,893
Already?
- I can not see them anymore.
423
00: 24: 49,363 -> 00: 24: 50,590
You talked to them ...
424
00: 24: 50,596 -> 00: 24: 52,878
My mother does not understand why
I "disturb" Barabarin.
425
00: 24: 53,578 -> 00: 24: 55,458
You should have waited for your appointment.
426
00: 24: 56,367 -> 00: 24: 57,632
OK, let's go ?
427
00: 25: 00,314 -> 00: 25: 01,540
Mom, we're leaving.
428
00: 25: 01,615 -> 00: 25: 03,396
To the attention of Pierre Durieux,
429
00: 25: 03,481 -> 00: 25: 07,145
It was a great joy that my 2 boys
be confessed by Monsignor Barabarin.
430
00: 25: 07,260 -> 00: 25: 08,901
The ceremony was wonderful.
431
00: 25: 09,153 -> 00: 25: 11,497
He had to join me for
we fixed an appointment.
432
00: 25: 11,768 -> 00: 25: 13,620
So I answered him promptly.
433
00: 25: 13,861 -> 00: 25: 15,637
I'm afraid he will not receive
not my answers.
434
00: 25: 16,193 -> 00: 25: 17,849
This often happens with mails.
435
00: 25: 18,540 -> 00: 25: 19,969
I do not want to rush him,
436
00: 25: 19,993 -> 00: 25: 21,860
but given the responsiveness
he had shown
437
00: 25: 21,866 -> 00: 25: 25,000
by writing to me, following the mail of
Regine Mayor, I wanted to check.
438
00: 25: 30,750 -> 00: 25: 32,344
You can follow me ?
439
00: 25: 35,863 -> 00: 25: 39,183
Do you like grape juice?
- Um yes.
440
00: 25: 43,293 -> 00: 25: 46,535
So ? How are you from
your confirmation?
441
00: 25: 47,558 -> 00: 25: 50,112
All right, but for our father,
it is complicated.
442
00: 25: 50,194 -> 00: 25: 53,225
Your father Alexander, has a lot
courage to dare to testify ...
443
00: 25: 53,246 -> 00: 25: 55,215
for the truth to be told.
444
00: 25: 55,659 -> 00: 25: 57,026
And let justice be done.
445
00: 25: 57,075 -> 00: 25: 59,599
Yes, it's difficult for him.
We would like to help him.
446
00: 25: 59,650 -> 00: 26: 02,798
It's very nice to see young people
like you, worry about their father.
447
00: 26: 03,176 -> 00: 26: 06,629
I did not know anything about
Criminals of Father Preynat.
448
00: 26: 07,150 -> 00: 26: 10,868
Monseigneur Decourtray who had taken care
of him at the time, is no longer of this world.
449
00: 26: 11,878 -> 00: 26: 13,886
And we can not go back to the past.
450
00: 26: 14,729 -> 00: 26: 17,917
But now I'm here,
and you can count on me.
451
00: 26: 18,291 -> 00: 26: 20,955
What matters is
to pray for your father,
452
00: 26: 21,078 -> 00: 26: 23,710
as well as for all sinners
of our church.
453
00: 26: 24,010 -> 00: 26: 26,635
You know, such acts
are always revolting
454
00: 26: 27,166 -> 00: 26: 29,166
that they be committed in
families, the ...
455
00: 26: 29,257 -> 00: 26: 31,585
school, the world of sport
456
00: 26: 31,871 -> 00: 26: 34,949
but they are doubly so when
the guilty are priests
457
00: 26: 35,128 -> 00: 26: 37,542
whose mission is to proclaim Christ,
458
00: 26: 37,735 -> 00: 26: 39,344
and the joy of the gospel.
459
00: 26: 39,835 -> 00: 26: 43,538
Certainly for the sinner, there will always be
a door of mercy.
460
00: 26: 43,915 -> 00: 26: 47,001
But priest, and pedophile,
are 2 incompatible words.
461
00: 26: 47,666 -> 00: 26: 49,869
And ... when will you meet him?
462
00: 26: 50,322 -> 00: 26: 54,564
But very soon ... My schedule
was lately very busy.
463
00: 26: 54,875 -> 00: 26: 57,242
Good ... Regine, please.
464
00: 27: 03,747 -> 00: 27: 06,646
I signed a copy
for your father.
465
00: 27: 15,538 -> 00: 27: 19,521
Our father who is in heaven,
may your name be sanctified,
466
00: 27: 19,780 -> 00: 27: 21,538
Thy kingdom come,
467
00: 27: 21,748 -> 00: 27: 24,810
that your worth be done on the earth
as in heaven,
468
00: 27: 25,359 -> 00: 27: 28,070
give us today
our bread today,
469
00: 27: 28,352 -> 00: 27: 30,321
forgive us our trespasses,
470
00: 27: 30,327 -> 00: 27: 33,819
as we forgive too
to those who have offended us ...
471
00: 27: 35,683 -> 00: 27: 38,082
I want to throw them away.
- Ben stop, he's on our side.
472
00: 27: 38,294 -> 00: 27: 40,196
The children had warned you
were going to meet him?
473
00: 27: 40,209 -> 00: 27: 42,489
No, if I had known, I would have
said not to go.
474
00: 27: 42,495 -> 00: 27: 43,295
Why ?
475
00: 27: 43,361 -> 00: 27: 46,017
He could have manipulated them.
- But he did not do it.
476
00: 27: 46,283 -> 00: 27: 47,486
On the contrary.
477
00: 27: 49,570 -> 00: 27: 51,741
I do not know, I feel like he
try to fall asleep.
478
00: 27: 51,765 -> 00: 27: 52,921
to anesthetize you.
479
00: 27: 53,195 -> 00: 27: 55,672
First with Régine Maire,
then with Preynat,
480
00: 27: 55,758 -> 00: 27: 57,329
Now by receiving the children ...
481
00: 27: 58,228 -> 00: 28: 00,868
It's weird, the only thing that seems
obsess and annoy them
482
00: 28: 00,873 -> 00: 28: 02,873
is that Preynat did not ask for forgiveness
- Well, that's normal.
483
00: 28: 03,889 -> 00: 28: 06,850
They believe in redemption,
to the strength of forgiveness ...
484
00: 28: 09,888 -> 00: 28: 12,560
You see, if Preynat had
kneeling in front of me
485
00: 28: 12,566 -> 00: 28: 14,566
and asked me for forgiveness ...
486
00: 28: 15,032 -> 00: 28: 16,618
I do not know what I would have done.
487
00: 28: 16,967 -> 00: 28: 19,256
In accepting his forgiveness,
you would have become his prisoner.
488
00: 28: 20,005 -> 00: 28: 21,762
His victim, forever.
489
00: 28: 23,616 -> 00: 28: 27,155
Hi Regine, I finally had the
Cardinal Barbarin on the phone.
490
00: 28: 27,485 -> 00: 28: 30,273
I have an appointment with him in 15 days.
Thank you very much for your help.
491
00: 28: 30,428 -> 00: 28: 32,866
Chance, I reread
Life of the month of July,
492
00: 28: 33,082 -> 00: 28: 36,457
magazine to which I subscribe and who
had been a catalyst for my approach
493
00: 28: 36,601 -> 00: 28: 38,890
I send you the link,
it is very interesting.
494
00: 28: 39,043 -> 00: 28: 41,848
Our Pope has incredible sentences
especially when he says:
495
00: 28: 41,996 -> 00: 28: 44,059
I personally pledge not to tolerate
496
00: 28: 44,065 -> 00: 28: 47,104
no harm to a minor
by any individual, cleric or not,
four hundred ninety seven
00: 28: 47,408 -> 00: 28: 49,469
so that no wolf can come in
in the sheepfold.
498
00: 28: 50,126 -> 00: 28: 52,814
Alexandre, thank you for
this text of our Pope,
499
00: 28: 52,819 -> 00: 28: 54,819
where the demand for forgiveness is central.
500
00: 28: 55,603 -> 00: 28: 57,897
Yes, the cardinal told me
that he had called you
501
00: 28: 57,903 -> 00: 28: 59,319
and that an appointment was made.
502
00: 28: 59,808 -> 00: 29: 02,308
Furthermore, I wanted to warn you ...
503
00: 29: 02,529 -> 00: 29: 04,845
it seems like rumors
about Bernard Preynat
504
00: 29: 04,851 -> 00: 29: 07,339
began to spread
on Neulise at least.
505
00: 29: 08,044 -> 00: 29: 11,349
It's unfortunate, and I know this
was not what you were looking for.
506
00: 29: 11,929 -> 00: 29: 14,031
I just wanted to keep you informed
507
00: 29: 14,123 -> 00: 29: 16,717
knowing that you had a
meeting with the cardinal.
508
00: 29: 17,426 -> 00: 29: 20,364
Good weekend,
and may the peace of the Lord dwell in you.
509
00: 29: 21,087 -> 00: 29: 22,829
Friends, Regine Mayor.
510
00: 29: 40,900 -> 00: 29: 42,650
It's a poignant photo ...
511
00: 29: 43,285 -> 00: 29: 44,863
You knew her?
- Yes.
512
00: 29: 45,117 -> 00: 29: 47,132
I already saw it in
a history book I believe.
513
00: 29: 48,051 -> 00: 29: 51,020
Bishop Decourtray had
made hanging in this office
514
00: 29: 51,308 -> 00: 29: 53,800
his successors kept it,
me too.
515
00: 29: 54,436 -> 00: 29: 55,639
You're welcome.
516
00: 29: 55,935 -> 00: 29: 57,092
And in your opinion ...
517
00: 29: 57,301 -> 00: 29: 59,113
how many were there victims?
518
00: 29: 59,391 -> 00: 30: 01,477
Two three ?
- Oh no, a lot more.
519
00: 30: 01,656 -> 00: 30: 03,899
Tens,
maybe a hundred.
520
00: 30: 04,298 -> 00: 30: 07,735
It's simple, he had at least 200 scouts
under his responsibility each year
521
00: 30: 07,741 -> 00: 30: 09,318
so uh ... you can imagine.
522
00: 30: 09,627 -> 00: 30: 11,823
I am horrified by what you tell me
523
00: 30: 13,397 -> 00: 30: 16,322
And I regret so much that the father
Preynat was unable
524
00: 30: 16,329 -> 00: 30: 18,441
to say sorry when
of your meeting
525
00: 30: 18,463 -> 00: 30: 19,877
I told him besides.
526
00: 30: 20,179 -> 00: 30: 22,780
He claims it's an oversight ...
he told me, uh ...
527
00: 30: 23,687 -> 00: 30: 25,320
I should have asked him for forgiveness.
528
00: 30: 25,670 -> 00: 30: 27,820
Finally, what am I waiting for,
this is a repentance my lord,
529
00: 30: 27,826 -> 00: 30: 29,839
it's a church sanction
against him.
530
00: 30: 30,173 -> 00: 30: 32,243
Father Preynat is a danger
for kids.
531
00: 30: 32,604 -> 00: 30: 34,277
He acknowledged before
Régine Maire and myself,
532
00: 30: 34,285 -> 00: 30: 35,696
to be pedophile for several years
533
00: 30: 35,702 -> 00: 30: 37,769
Please avoid this expression.
534
00: 30: 38,119 -> 00: 30: 40,385
What expression?
- This word.
535
00: 30: 41,386 -> 00: 30: 43,761
But that's what it is!
He recognizes him himself.
536
00: 30: 44,011 -> 00: 30: 46,597
Yes, but in the etymological sense of the term,
537
00: 30: 46,806 -> 00: 30: 48,931
Pedophile means to love children.
538
00: 30: 49,692 -> 00: 30: 52,177
And according to our Lord,
we must love children.
539
00: 30: 54,244 -> 00: 30: 56,150
not too much, of course.
540
00: 30: 56,599 -> 00: 30: 58,310
But ... what should I say then?
541
00: 31: 00,379 -> 00: 31: 01,832
Pedosexual?
542
00: 31: 04,109 -> 00: 31: 06,289
Yes, it seems to me ... more accurate.
543
00: 31: 07,473 -> 00: 31: 11,434
Following your step, I passed
throughout the diocese a circular,
544
00: 31: 11,656 -> 00: 31: 15,703
now demanding that no priest
can be alone with a child to ...
545
00: 31: 16,257 -> 00: 31: 18,195
a confession, and ...
546
00: 31: 18,419 -> 00: 31: 21,069
for catechism classes, whether it be
now accompanied by a
547
00: 31: 21,075 -> 00: 31: 21,958
from a third person.
548
00: 31: 21,964 -> 00: 31: 24,641
In this case, you risk putting
the opprobe on all priests.
549
00: 31: 24,647 -> 00: 31: 27,799
And I do not think they're all
child sexual. Finally, I hope.
550
00: 31: 27,825 -> 00: 31: 30,544
It's a prevention measure,
of security.
551
00: 31: 31,017 -> 00: 31: 33,188
Excuse me, but I think it would be worth
better say loud and clear
552
00: 31: 33,194 -> 00: 31: 36,600
that the church condemns pedophilia and
to act to dismiss the rapist priests.
553
00: 31: 37,100 -> 00: 31: 39,077
Every thing in his time Alexander.
554
00: 31: 40,207 -> 00: 31: 42,567
Our Holy Pope Francis said that the
cardinals and bishops
555
00: 31: 42,573 -> 00: 31: 45,669
had to be brave
regarding this ... badly.
556
00: 31: 46,555 -> 00: 31: 48,985
Well, believe me,
I will not lack courage.
557
00: 31: 49,570 -> 00: 31: 52,461
See you soon Alexandre.
- Thank you very much, my lord.
558
00: 31: 52,801 -> 00: 31: 54,653
Goodbye.
- Goodbye...
559
00: 31: 57,108 -> 00: 32: 01,068
Then we brought before Jesus
the little ones to touch them.
560
00: 32: 01,204 -> 00: 32: 03,063
But the disciples greedy them.
561
00: 32: 03,135 -> 00: 32: 06,119
Jesus at this sight was indignant
and said to them,
562
00: 32: 06,213 -> 00: 32: 09,643
"Let the little children come to me
and do not stop them "
563
00: 32: 09,759 -> 00: 32: 12,798
"For the kingdom of heaven is to those
who are like them. "
564
00: 32: 12,865 -> 00: 32: 14,561
I tell you, in truth,
565
00: 32: 14,566 -> 00: 32: 16,836
who will not receive as a small child
566
00: 32: 16,842 -> 00: 32: 19,117
the kingdom of God will not enter it.
567
00: 32: 19,559 -> 00: 32: 23,543
Then he kissed them and blessed them
by laying hands on them.
568
00: 32: 24,106 -> 00: 32: 26,067
We saw that the day of our baptism
569
00: 32: 26,072 -> 00: 32: 28,072
we became the children of God,
570
00: 32: 28,375 -> 00: 32: 30,749
and Jesus loves us as he loved these
small children
571
00: 32: 30,755 -> 00: 32: 32,808
who came near him when he
was on the earth.
572
00: 32: 32,814 -> 00: 32: 35,134
Mr. Cardinal, I did not
not getting back in touch with you
573
00: 32: 35,139 -> 00: 32: 38,258
during this Christmas period,
so conducive to prayer and silence.
574
00: 32: 38,972 -> 00: 32: 41,659
I confess that the fact that the father
Preynat still gives classes
575
00: 32: 41,665 -> 00: 32: 44,800
catechism and celebrates Masses of
Christmas, revolts me a little.
576
00: 32: 45,131 -> 00: 32: 48,311
Fortunately, the words of our Pope
these past days have resonated
577
00: 32: 48,317 -> 00: 32: 49,975
firmly in me.
578
00: 32: 50,131 -> 00: 32: 53,343
I am closely involved with the priests
pedophiles of Granada in November.
579
00: 32: 54,203 -> 00: 32: 56,172
You spoke to me about the courage of the cardinals
580
00: 32: 56,280 -> 00: 32: 58,405
our Pope Francis
is not lacking obviously.
581
00: 32: 59,300 -> 00: 33: 00,550
I leave it to you.
582
00: 33: 01,062 -> 00: 33: 03,773
I pray for our church so beautiful,
and so human.
583
00: 33: 04,321 -> 00: 33: 05,282
Alexander.
584
00: 33: 29,649 -> 00: 33: 31,094
Thank you dear Alexander.
585
00: 33: 31,178 -> 00: 33: 34,967
Happy New Year, to all your family,
and especially to our 2 confirmed ones.
586
00: 33: 35,501 -> 00: 33: 37,704
I do not know what happened
to the archbishopric of Granada,
587
00: 33: 37,710 -> 00: 33: 39,682
but I'll try to find out.
588
00: 33: 40,451 -> 00: 33: 43,787
May the Lord watch over all his great
family, every day of the new year.
589
00: 33: 44,356 -> 00: 33: 47,708
A Sunday maybe, please
come to our diocesan vows.
590
00: 33: 51,505 -> 00: 33: 54,399
For the first time one of the
leaders of the Catholic Church,
591
00: 33: 54,404 -> 00: 33: 56,404
accused of pedophilia,
will be judged ...
592
00: 33: 56,429 -> 00: 33: 58,296
Still have not showered?
593
00: 33: 58,942 -> 00: 34: 00,208
What are you doing ?
594
00: 34: 00,818 -> 00: 34: 02,045
I arrive.
595
00: 34: 03,929 -> 00: 34: 04,991
I arrive.
596
00: 34: 05,868 -> 00: 34: 07,056
Hurry up.
597
00: 34: 07,503 -> 00: 34: 09,409
Monsieur Cardinal, Regine,
598
00: 34: 09,530 -> 00: 34: 11,440
I'm sending you this very interesting article
599
00: 34: 11,446 -> 00: 34: 13,739
on the Polish archbishop,
Joseph De Solovski
600
00: 34: 13,766 -> 00: 34: 17,211
accused of pedophilia, and a refugee
Vatican since 2013.
601
00: 34: 17,747 -> 00: 34: 20,286
He has just been arrested by the
gendarmerie of the Holy See.
602
00: 34: 20,797 -> 00: 34: 23,797
This initiative is due to the will
expressed by the Pope,
603
00: 34: 23,803 -> 00: 34: 26,264
who asks to confront
the situation with rigor.
604
00: 34: 27,110 -> 00: 34: 29,774
As for me, I hope to see you soon
other testimonials
605
00: 34: 29,780 -> 00: 34: 31,383
on the actions of Father Preynat.
606
00: 34: 31,578 -> 00: 34: 33,898
I will definitely steer
my action at the level of Rome.
607
00: 34: 34,067 -> 00: 34: 35,645
Where are you on your side?
608
00: 34: 35,851 -> 00: 34: 38,789
May God help us,
and continue to protect our children.
609
00: 34: 40,032 -> 00: 34: 43,524
Thank you Alexandre, I just read
the article you sent us.
610
00: 34: 44,281 -> 00: 34: 45,314
At the recent consistory,
611
00: 34: 45,319 -> 00: 34: 48,630
we had a very strong presentation
and clear of Cardinal O'Malley of Boston.
612
00: 34: 48,963 -> 00: 34: 52,393
It is he whom the Pope charged with this
folder on church and pedophilia.
613
00: 34: 52,704 -> 00: 34: 54,024
The line is clear.
614
00: 34: 54,171 -> 00: 34: 56,569
So I'll take the measurements
which will be suggested to me.
615
00: 34: 56,834 -> 00: 34: 58,240
I'll let you know.
616
00: 34: 58,446 -> 00: 35: 01,727
Good Lent to you, and a hello
to confirmed last year.
617
00: 35: 02,116 -> 00: 35: 04,061
They are nice little gentlemen.
618
00: 35: 05,046 -> 00: 35: 08,679
Dear Alexander,
Yes I had read this text on the internet.
619
00: 35: 08,768 -> 00: 35: 11,002
He showed the determination of the church
620
00: 35: 11,234 -> 00: 35: 13,140
Did the cardinal answer you?
621
00: 35: 13,580 -> 00: 35: 17,018
For my part, I can not tell you what
what to do with the Pope.
622
00: 35: 17,417 -> 00: 35: 20,495
It seems to me that the essential,
is that you find peace,
623
00: 35: 20,554 -> 00: 35: 22,054
and ways to find it.
624
00: 35: 22,258 -> 00: 35: 25,703
I stay tuned and assure you of
my friendship and my prayer.
625
00: 35: 25,890 -> 00: 35: 27,929
Sincerely, Regine Mayor.
626
00: 35: 29,152 -> 00: 35: 32,204
Marie thinks I'm too nice,
too polite and they lead me by boat.
627
00: 35: 32,359 -> 00: 35: 33,992
They will never do anything against Preynat.
628
00: 35: 34,232 -> 00: 35: 36,865
They protect the institution, it is clear
in this kind of business.
629
00: 35: 36,969 -> 00: 35: 39,180
Yes, well, I'm going to make a file
with all their emails,
630
00: 35: 39,249 -> 00: 35: 41,780
find other testimonials, group
articles on Preynat
631
00: 35: 41,788 -> 00: 35: 42,882
and send everything to the Pope.
632
00: 35: 43,164 -> 00: 35: 44,636
Maybe we should consider Justice.
633
00: 35: 44,642 -> 00: 35: 47,500
But no ... it's the problem of the church,
it's up to her to settle that.
634
00: 35: 50,014 -> 00: 35: 51,822
The fact that I am prescribed,
it's annoying ?
635
00: 35: 53,166 -> 00: 35: 54,369
Why do you ask me this ?
636
00: 35: 55,761 -> 00: 35: 57,105
Because I thought ...
637
00: 35: 57,631 -> 00: 35: 59,069
and I am ready to testify.
638
00: 35: 59,964 -> 00: 36: 01,253
And Isabelle?
639
00: 36: 01,872 -> 00: 36: 04,793
Isabelle, what Isabelle ... Isabelle this the
do not look, it's my story.
640
00: 36: 08,006 -> 00: 36: 11,224
Monsieur le cardinal, next to this email,
to complete the file,
641
00: 36: 11,230 -> 00: 36: 13,169
the letter of a friend, Olivier Itaque
642
00: 36: 13,175 -> 00: 36: 16,122
who suffered the same actions
pedophiles, from Father Preynat.
643
00: 36: 16,354 -> 00: 36: 19,220
Mr. Itaque told me that Preynat
was turning in the tents
644
00: 36: 19,226 -> 00: 36: 21,233
during the Scout camps,
on a lot of boys.
645
00: 36: 21,308 -> 00: 36: 24,428
I had a sexual touch once
and many times he kissed me
646
00: 36: 24,434 -> 00: 36: 26,313
on the mouth in me
asking if I liked it
647
00: 36: 26,797 -> 00: 36: 29,055
I'm afraid to confirm you
that potentially,
648
00: 36: 29,169 -> 00: 36: 31,177
there have been hundreds
of child victims
649
00: 36: 31,183 -> 00: 36: 33,140
This person already knows several.
650
00: 36: 34,022 -> 00: 36: 38,663
Thank you Alexander. Thank you Mr. Itaque
on my part for his testimony,
651
00: 36: 39,311 -> 00: 36: 42,194
and tell him we're ready to
to receive if he wishes.
652
00: 36: 43,591 -> 00: 36: 46,325
As I told you,
I called Father Preynat.
653
00: 36: 46,517 -> 00: 36: 47,734
He came to see me,
654
00: 36: 47,739 -> 00: 36: 50,803
and I told him that I
withdrew the charge of his parish.
655
00: 36: 51,128 -> 00: 36: 53,073
and I will not give him any more.
656
00: 36: 53,554 -> 00: 36: 55,859
Good Sunday to you
and to your whole family.
657
00: 37: 02,640 -> 00: 37: 04,031
He saw you.
- Yes I know.
658
00: 37: 06,340 -> 00: 37: 09,059
The body of Christ.
- No, not with him.
659
00: 37: 10,023 -> 00: 37: 11,109
The body of Christ.
660
00: 37: 13,169 -> 00: 37: 14,114
The body of Christ ...
661
00: 37: 15.985 -> 00: 37: 17.024
The body of Christ.
662
00: 37: 21,158 -> 00: 37: 22,244
The body of Christ ...
663
00: 37: 25,799 -> 00: 37: 27,596
The body of Christ.
- Let's go.
664
00: 37: 32,166 -> 00: 37: 33,361
I do not understand.
665
00: 37: 34,013 -> 00: 37: 35,443
Barbarin does not care about my mouth.
666
00: 37: 36,499 -> 00: 37: 38,538
To the attention of Father Maxime Grillon.
667
00: 37: 38,882 -> 00: 37: 40,929
Knowing that Father Preynat
is under your direction
668
00: 37: 40,934 -> 00: 37: 43,580
I would be very happy to meet you
to understand why
669
00: 37: 43,586 -> 00: 37: 45,151
the latter is still celebrating masses,
670
00: 37: 45,190 -> 00: 37: 46,448
surrounded by altar boys.
671
00: 37: 46,943 -> 00: 37: 48,115
Our lord ...
672
00: 37: 48,990 -> 00: 37: 50,820
I inform you that I
will send a letter
673
00: 37: 50,825 -> 00: 37: 52,594
about it, our
Most Holy Father, the Pope.
674
00: 37: 52,839 -> 00: 37: 53,995
Alexandre Guérin.
675
00: 37: 54,554 -> 00: 37: 58,413
Post criptum: I also met
by a priest friend, Suzanne Cremer,
676
00: 37: 58,549 -> 00: 38: 00,072
former secretary to the diocese,
677
00: 38: 00,086 -> 00: 38: 02,601
I do not know if you know her, but
she has a lot of information
678
00: 38: 02,613 -> 00: 38: 03,539
on the Preynat folder.
679
00: 38: 05,772 -> 00: 38: 08,724
In the early 80s, one of my
brothers phoned me to tell me
680
00: 38: 08,729 -> 00: 38: 10,248
that the cardinal of the time
681
00: 38: 10,378 -> 00: 38: 13,644
removed Bernard Preynat from the parish
for pedophilia problems
682
00: 38: 14,037 -> 00: 38: 16,771
and installed it at the little sisters
poor people like auonier,
683
00: 38: 17,090 -> 00: 38: 20,551
with prohibition to be in contact with
choir boys or other kids.
684
00: 38: 22,115 -> 00: 38: 24,356
It started to tilt in my head,
I told myself it's true,
685
00: 38: 24,360 -> 00: 38: 26,360
he always had small
scrunchies blondes.
686
00: 38: 27,145 -> 00: 38: 28,433
At that time a friend told me
687
00: 38: 28,438 -> 00: 38: 30,662
to have had an exchange of letters
with Preynat who recognized
688
00: 38: 30,669 -> 00: 38: 31,721
that he was sick.
689
00: 38: 32,181 -> 00: 38: 35,490
That he had suffered himself, in boarding,
from the age of 7 years of adult assaults.
690
00: 38: 36,201 -> 00: 38: 39,071
It does not excuse anything, but it's true,
it seems he never denied,
691
00: 38: 39,077 -> 00: 38: 40,363
just downplayed the facts.
692
00: 38: 40,488 -> 00: 38: 43,101
In fact, for a long time we hear about
of the Preynat case by episode
693
00: 38: 43,107 -> 00: 38: 44,841
but no one has ever complained.
694
00: 38: 45,425 -> 00: 38: 47,105
He has such a hold on people.
695
00: 38: 47,256 -> 00: 38: 49,264
And why Barbarin
do not do anything today?
696
00: 38: 49,407 -> 00: 38: 52,329
He has enough power to act, even
without the blessing of the Pope, no?
697
00: 38: 52,664 -> 00: 38: 55,378
You know, Barbarin and Preynat it's a
old story,
698
00: 38: 55,384 -> 00: 38: 56,829
they have known each other for a long time,
699
00: 38: 56,835 -> 00: 38: 58,774
and then when Barbarin is
arrived on Lyon and that he saw
700
00: 38: 58,780 -> 00: 39: 00,450
the good work that Preynat had done,
701
00: 39: 00,768 -> 00: 39: 03,690
all the money and the faithful he
brought back to the diocese ...
702
00: 39: 06,635 -> 00: 39: 08,077
You have an idea of ??other victims
703
00: 39: 08,083 -> 00: 39: 09,931
who could testify and who
are not prescribed?
704
00: 39: 10,507 -> 00: 39: 13,491
My nephews have rubbed it, but luckily
they did not deal with him,
705
00: 39: 13,803 -> 00: 39: 15,412
but I'm sure there are some.
706
00: 39: 15,976 -> 00: 39: 17,874
In the countryside where he said his masses
707
00: 39: 18,416 -> 00: 39: 20,534
among the altar boys,
catechism
708
00: 39: 20,945 -> 00: 39: 23,554
I can not imagine that it was
stopped overnight.
709
00: 39: 27,629 -> 00: 39: 29,629
You know Alexandre,
I blame myself a little.
710
00: 39: 30,590 -> 00: 39: 31,911
Basically, I knew.
711
00: 39: 32,141 -> 00: 39: 33,368
We all knew.
712
00: 39: 33,891 -> 00: 39: 35,055
We did not say anything.
713
00: 39: 44,534 -> 00: 39: 45,698
Ah, you're here, you.
714
00: 39: 45,952 -> 00: 39: 47,194
You come we are going for a walk.
715
00: 39: 47,444 -> 00: 39: 48,843
Alexander, are you coming with us?
716
00: 39: 49,021 -> 00: 39: 50,334
No, I have to finish my letter.
717
00: 39: 50,409 -> 00: 39: 51,339
Who are you writing to?
718
00: 39: 51,345 -> 00: 39: 52,197
To the Pope.
719
00: 39: 52,607 -> 00: 39: 54,138
Okay, come on here we go.
720
00: 39: 54,201 -> 00: 39: 56,396
Where are we going to walk?
- To the Golden Head.
721
00: 39: 56,730 -> 00: 39: 59,105
Victor, Gauthier, Benoit we go!
722
00: 40: 01,568 -> 00: 40: 05,615
Most holy father, a few months ago I
takes a step of light and truth.
723
00: 40: 06,225 -> 00: 40: 09,100
I met Cardinal Barbarin and
Madame Régine Mayor ...
724
00: 40: 09,356 -> 00: 40: 11,661
I had an interview with
Father Bernard Preynat,
725
00: 40: 11,718 -> 00: 40: 13,051
who confessed to his pedophilia,
726
00: 40: 13,059 -> 00: 40: 15,179
and all the beatings he did
to endure to children
727
00: 40: 15,185 -> 00: 40: 16,905
until at least 1993.
728
00: 40: 17,680 -> 00: 40: 18,758
The silence ...
729
00: 40: 18,920 -> 00: 40: 21,170
Our silence has not absolved her crimes
730
00: 40: 21,348 -> 00: 40: 23,364
sources of pain
deep emotional,
731
00: 40: 23,617 -> 00: 40: 25,086
which often never stops.
732
00: 40: 25,970 -> 00: 40: 28,931
The church can not forget its silence
and his complacency,
733
00: 40: 29,388 -> 00: 40: 32,497
We must put the light on the terrible
darkness of the church.
734
00: 40: 32,795 -> 00: 40: 36,389
Obviously Cardinal Barbarin does not
will entrust more church in September
735
00: 40: 36,573 -> 00: 40: 38,565
but he will remain a priest for now,
736
00: 40: 39,025 -> 00: 40: 40,822
it must be done without a wave.
737
00: 40: 41,559 -> 00: 40: 44,192
This minimization of these crimes
is unbearable.
738
00: 40: 44,909 -> 00: 40: 47,659
There is very little compassion and
revolt before that.
739
00: 40: 48,072 -> 00: 40: 50,955
I feel that my approach
of truth embarrassment, and boring.
740
00: 40: 52,025 -> 00: 40: 54,806
It's thanks to your commitment, most holy
father I confided in,
741
00: 40: 55,236 -> 00: 40: 57,400
but I'm ashamed
to belong to our church,
742
00: 40: 57,544 -> 00: 41: 00,411
who left and still leaves
people like Father Preynat,
743
00: 41: 00,417 -> 00: 41: 02,598
to minister, and
to be a priest again.
744
00: 41: 03,535 -> 00: 41: 06,285
What are you waiting for to act firmly
against this criminal?
745
00: 41: 06,461 -> 00: 41: 07,261
Alexander
746
00: 41: 07,267 -> 00: 41: 09,391
He stained children,
in their flesh.
747
00: 41: 25.018 -> 00: 41: 28.284
To stop being afraid to write,
and be sure to be read,
748
00: 41: 28,579 -> 00: 41: 30,142
It will have taken me 30 years.
749
00: 41: 36,320 -> 00: 41: 40,156
Thanks to you, now in our meetings
we are talking about homosexuality
750
00: 41: 40,549 -> 00: 41: 43,580
Pedophilia too.
- It's not quite the same thing.
751
00: 41: 44,438 -> 00: 41: 46,438
You can not put on the same plane
sexual orientation
752
00: 41: 46,444 -> 00: 41: 48,046
and a criminal perversion, Father Grillon.
753
00: 41: 48,088 -> 00: 41: 49,166
You are right.
754
00: 41: 49,638 -> 00: 41: 53,029
But, as these are subjects that
we did not tackle it before,
755
00: 41: 53,035 -> 00: 41: 55,073
I consider that it is
a positive evolution,
756
00: 41: 55,079 -> 00: 41: 56,945
and I would even say it's a progress
for our church.
757
00: 41: 56,951 -> 00: 41: 58,951
In any case I wanted to see you for
to know what was happening
758
00: 41: 58,957 -> 00: 42: 00,139
concretely for Preynat.
759
00: 42: 00,145 -> 00: 42: 02,369
For his dismissal, is it
things are finally moving forward?
760
00: 42: 02,378 -> 00: 42: 04,535
I will be clear with you,
can be a bit brutal,
761
00: 42: 04,541 -> 00: 42: 07,380
but I think Father Preynat,
762
00: 42: 07,730 -> 00: 42: 10,363
will and will always be a priest.
763
00: 42: 15,880 -> 00: 42: 18,224
So, you refuse to consider us
as victims.
764
00: 42: 18,318 -> 00: 42: 19,693
Well of course.
765
00: 42: 19,764 -> 00: 42: 21,834
We are with you on the side of the victims
766
00: 42: 21,849 -> 00: 42: 24,959
and we are all aware of the
criminal character of Father Preynat.
767
00: 42: 25,051 -> 00: 42: 27,440
By the way we found
in the diocesan archives,
768
00: 42: 27,446 -> 00: 42: 30,576
Cardinal Decourtray's papers,
saying himself scalded
769
00: 42: 30,592 -> 00: 42: 34,068
by the truth about Preynat.
- Yes, but no dismissal.
770
00: 42: 35,087 -> 00: 42: 36,751
This is not the order of the day.
771
00: 42: 36,772 -> 00: 42: 39,256
You know what will happen if
Preynat is not removed?
772
00: 42: 40,419 -> 00: 42: 43,208
In 6 months the case will be buried,
Preynat will always be a priest,
773
00: 42: 43,267 -> 00: 42: 45,283
and can go abroad,
in Lebanon for example
774
00: 42: 45,289 -> 00: 42: 47,499
and continue to exert his perversion
with impunity.
775
00: 42: 48,142 -> 00: 42: 50,915
After scouts and children of
the countryside, the little Lebanese.
776
00: 42: 51,359 -> 00: 42: 53,070
Listen please,
Monsieur Guérin ...
777
00: 42: 53,076 -> 00: 42: 55,171
I only have one solution left.
- What?
778
00: 42: 55,481 -> 00: 42: 58,832
Bring the case to justice.
- You know it's useless today
779
00: 42: 59,154 -> 00: 43: 00,404
... you are prescribed.
780
00: 43: 00,705 -> 00: 43: 04,111
And according to my information no one
non-prescribed has declared itself, so ...
781
00: 43: 04,646 -> 00: 43: 06,606
are there any, uh ...
782
00: 43: 06.990 -> 00: 43: 09.623
I do not believe that,
according to Preynat's words ...
783
00: 43: 09,629 -> 00: 43: 11,040
The lyrics of Preynat?
784
00: 43: 11,442 -> 00: 43: 12,911
But how can you believe it?
785
00: 43: 13,092 -> 00: 43: 13,892
But...
786
00: 43: 14,175 -> 00: 43: 17,183
why always stir
these old stories?
787
00: 43: 21,962 -> 00: 43: 23,634
I will pray for you!
788
00: 43: 24,445 -> 00: 43: 25,922
Dear Alexander.
789
00: 43: 26,102 -> 00: 43: 28,485
Following our meeting, I spoke again
with my brothers and nephews
790
00: 43: 28,491 -> 00: 43: 30,871
the actions of Bernard Preynat,
for your inquiry.
791
00: 43: 31,466 -> 00: 43: 33,005
And one of my nephews, Didier,
792
00: 43: 33,257 -> 00: 43: 35,222
acknowledged having suffered
Touching Preynat
793
00: 43: 35,227 -> 00: 43: 36,811
while he had always denied it.
794
00: 43: 37,099 -> 00: 43: 38,364
I am in shock.
795
00: 43: 38,830 -> 00: 43: 41,518
The word seems to need
a lot of time to break free.
796
00: 43: 42,341 -> 00: 43: 45,520
We also spoke again of his great
brother, Mathieu, now deceased,
797
00: 43: 45,984 -> 00: 43: 48,356
it is he who would have suffered the most
violently sexual attacks
798
00: 43: 48,362 -> 00: 43: 49,289
Father Preynat,
799
00: 43: 49,512 -> 00: 43: 51,279
and my brother thinks that
the suicide of Mathieu,
800
00: 43: 51,285 -> 00: 43: 53,443
would be linked to repeated rapes
Father Preynat.
801
00: 43: 54,118 -> 00: 43: 55,798
All these stories upset me, and
802
00: 43: 55,874 -> 00: 43: 58,538
today I feel a great
guilt for not saying anything.
803
00: 43: 59,817 -> 00: 44: 01,536
I have not seen Didier for 5 years,
804
00: 44: 01,972 -> 00: 44: 03,024
he lives far from the family.
805
00: 44: 03,034 -> 00: 44: 05,682
Many conflicts with his father,
and authority in general,
806
00: 44: 06,194 -> 00: 44: 09,257
a marginal life, after years
difficult in drugs,
807
00: 44: 09,263 -> 00: 44: 10,631
and all kinds of traffics.
808
00: 44: 10,833 -> 00: 44: 12,419
I advise you to meet him,
809
00: 44: 12,475 -> 00: 44: 15,334
because if the facts took place,
they are not prescribed for him.
810
00: 44: 16,452 -> 00: 44: 17,655
He is 33 years old.
811
00: 44: 25,476 -> 00: 44: 27,562
Did you do your catechism with him?
812
00: 44: 27,777 -> 00: 44: 28,577
Yeah...
813
00: 44: 29,028 -> 00: 44: 30,341
And the altar boy?
814
00: 44: 30,648 -> 00: 44: 33,414
From time to time yes,
but not every Sunday.
815
00: 44: 34,223 -> 00: 44: 35,410
Where was it?
816
00: 44: 35,643 -> 00: 44: 36,658
It depends.
817
00: 44: 36,998 -> 00: 44: 38,756
In the sachristie but uh ...
818
00: 44: 39,307 -> 00: 44: 41,424
sometimes he would call me for
that I am going to the cure.
819
00: 44: 41,688 -> 00: 44: 42,985
What did he do to you?
820
00: 44: 47,298 -> 00: 44: 48,098
No...
821
00: 44: 49,134 -> 00: 44: 50,595
I do not want to talk about that.
822
00: 44: 51,592 -> 00: 44: 52,717
I understand.
823
00: 44: 53.990 -> 00: 44: 55.685
Me, he held me tightly in his arms.
824
00: 44: 56,172 -> 00: 44: 57,485
He kissed me.
825
00: 44: 58,306 -> 00: 44: 59,767
He said to me "I love you".
826
00: 45: 00,577 -> 00: 45: 01,983
And he caressed me.
827
00: 45: 04,187 -> 00: 45: 07,027
You know, if you agree to testify,
to lodge a complaint against him,
828
00: 45: 07,033 -> 00: 45: 08,846
Preynat could be
attacked by Justice.
829
00: 45: 09,480 -> 00: 45: 11,797
And you would do it for all
the prescribed victims.
830
00: 45: 12,152 -> 00: 45: 13,535
And I think we are many.
831
00: 45: 20,198 -> 00: 45: 22,104
Your aunt told me about your brother ...
832
00: 45: 22,382 -> 00: 45: 23,382
Mathieu.
833
00: 45: 24,384 -> 00: 45: 26,244
He committed suicide because of Preynat?
834
00: 45: 28,787 -> 00: 45: 30,904
Mathieu, he committed suicide
because he was a fagot.
835
00: 45: 31,356 -> 00: 45: 33,372
But no, but even if he was homosexual,
836
00: 45: 33,807 -> 00: 45: 36,384
the preynat attacks were
criminal. It was a child.
837
00: 45: 41,031 -> 00: 45: 43,117
We must break the chain
of silence, Didier.
838
00: 45: 44,211 -> 00: 45: 45,930
Do it for Mathieu.
839
00: 45: 50,060 -> 00: 45: 52,302
In fact, it seems easy,
to speak for you.
840
00: 45: 54,426 -> 00: 45: 57,364
You, you have ... you have a family,
you have money,
841
00: 45: 57,428 -> 00: 45: 59,537
You have a job,
you have everything.
842
00: 46: 00,268 -> 00: 46: 01,510
What do I have?
843
00: 46: 01,648 -> 00: 46: 02,680
Huh?
844
00: 46: 03,686 -> 00: 46: 05,256
What do I have ?
I have that slab.
845
00: 46: 05,974 -> 00: 46: 07,256
I have no future, actually.
846
00: 46: 07,448 -> 00: 46: 10,316
So, I got out of it,
Nevertheless, I come back from far too.
847
00: 46: 15,416 -> 00: 46: 17,494
And if I do it, it's marked
what about my mouth?
848
00: 46: 17,580 -> 00: 46: 19,595
All my life there will be marked
victim of pedophile.
849
00: 46: 19,650 -> 00: 46: 22,057
But no, if you speak,
others will speak.
850
00: 46: 23,315 -> 00: 46: 24,573
You will not be alone.
851
00: 46: 25,433 -> 00: 46: 26,456
We will be there.
852
00: 46: 29,249 -> 00: 46: 30,288
I dunno.
853
00: 46: 32,853 -> 00: 46: 34,064
I have to think.
854
00: 46: 39,236 -> 00: 46: 40,255
Look at my big one.
855
00: 46: 40,261 -> 00: 46: 41,796
That's where we were.
- Oh yeah.
856
00: 47: 12,922 -> 00: 47: 15,036
Good kids, take your things,
We are going to go there.
857
00: 47: 15,308 -> 00: 47: 17,714
I have something to do. Let's go.
- Oh ... we were good!
858
00: 47: 22,006 -> 00: 47: 23,170
Here.
- Thank you.
859
00: 47: 36,132 -> 00: 47: 37,022
Hi Didier.
860
00: 47: 37,847 -> 00: 47: 38,647
What are you doing here ?
861
00: 47: 38,653 -> 00: 47: 39,916
I wanted you
to talk again because I
862
00: 47: 39,922 -> 00: 47: 41,644
Yeah, but you have not received
my message ?
863
00: 47: 41.918 -> 00: 47: 44.066
Yes but...
Well then we have nothing left to say no?
864
00: 47: 44,165 -> 00: 47: 45,501
If but I wanted
- But what ?
865
00: 47: 45,552 -> 00: 47: 46,571
I said that I will not testify,
866
00: 47: 46,576 -> 00: 47: 48,371
and I do not want to hear anymore
of this story. It's clear ?
867
00: 47: 48,372 -> 00: 47: 50,216
Listen to Didier ...
- Get out now.
868
00: 48: 21,872 -> 00: 48: 24,888
As a result, I complain
against Mr. Bernard Preynat.
869
00: 49: 06,099 -> 00: 49: 08,285
Hello, Mr. Debord?
- Yes hello.
870
00: 49: 08,290 -> 00: 49: 10,290
Captain Courteau.
Miners Brigade.
871
00: 49: 10,796 -> 00: 49: 14,014
But this story dates back to at least
25 years, we thought it was classified.
872
00: 49: 14,323 -> 00: 49: 15,487
Yes, I know Madame.
873
00: 49: 15,616 -> 00: 49: 18,007
But no complaint had
been tabled before this summer.
874
00: 49: 18,608 -> 00: 49: 20,108
And who filed a complaint?
875
00: 49: 20,247 -> 00: 49: 22,252
One of his victims before 1991
876
00: 49: 22,258 -> 00: 49: 24,541
but I can not reveal you
his identity for now.
877
00: 49: 24,547 -> 00: 49: 27,993
And it is possible that his complaint is not
not admissible due to prescription.
878
00: 49: 28,090 -> 00: 49: 28,890
A scout?
879
00: 49: 28,969 -> 00: 49: 31,430
A former scout of the group Saint Luc,
yes, like your son.
880
00: 49: 31,692 -> 00: 49: 34,093
I knew this story
would come out one day, I knew.
881
00: 49: 34,099 -> 00: 49: 36,048
We found in
the archives of the diocese,
882
00: 49: 36,054 -> 00: 49: 38,791
your letter of 1991, addressed
to the cardinal of the time,
883
00: 49: 38,797 -> 00: 49: 41,130
Bishop Decourtray on the subject of
Preynat behavior
884
00: 49: 41,138 -> 00: 49: 42,591
to your son François.
885
00: 49: 42,665 -> 00: 49: 44,189
But there was only one.
886
00: 49: 44,466 -> 00: 49: 45,294
That is to say ?
887
00: 49: 45,301 -> 00: 49: 48,045
I have a correspondence with
Decourtray, and even with Preynat.
888
00: 49: 48,402 -> 00: 49: 49,652
With Father Preynat?
889
00: 49: 49,693 -> 00: 49: 51,591
Yes, everything is stored in
a file in the attic.
890
00: 49: 51,596 -> 00: 49: 54,090
I can see them ?
- Of course, I'll pick them up.
891
00: 49: 55,639 -> 00: 49: 58,295
It's Decourtray
who asked me to ...
892
00: 49: 58,457 -> 00: 50: 00,668
no longer send him a registered letter.
893
00: 50: 01,103 -> 00: 50: 03,603
That's Father Plaquet
894
00: 50: 04,248 -> 00: 50: 06,217
Father Faivre
895
00: 50: 07,249 -> 00: 50: 09,382
And here are Preynat's letters.
896
00: 50: 12,890 -> 00: 50: 14,648
A deep wound,
897
00: 50: 15,138 -> 00: 50: 16,794
in my priest's heart.
898
00: 50: 17,488 -> 00: 50: 18,988
He confesses, it's incredible.
899
00: 50: 19,128 -> 00: 50: 21,956
Oh but ... he always confessed Preynat,
he has never denied.
900
00: 50: 22,045 -> 00: 50: 23,201
This is his only quality.
901
00: 50: 23,209 -> 00: 50: 24,538
Well, I take all these documents.
902
00: 50: 24,544 -> 00: 50: 26,032
But, I, I do not have a double.
903
00: 50: 26,066 -> 00: 50: 28,831
I need the originals, we will
send copies by email.
904
00: 50: 28,837 -> 00: 50: 30,581
Okay.
- Your son is in Lyon?
905
00: 50: 30,639 -> 00: 50: 31,540
He works in Lyon.
906
00: 50: 31,545 -> 00: 50: 34,183
But he lives in his thirties
kilometers in the Beaujolais.
907
00: 50: 34,241 -> 00: 50: 35,608
Can you give me his coordinates?
908
00: 50: 35,614 -> 00: 50: 37,614
You know I do not believe
that it is opportune
909
00: 50: 37,620 -> 00: 50: 40,619
We have to see him quickly, madam.
His number, please.
910
00: 50: 45,331 -> 00: 50: 46,855
Do you want me to call Francois?
911
00: 50: 46,997 -> 00: 50: 48,661
No no, I'll take care of it.
912
00: 50: 54.976 -> 00: 50: 57.008
Come on, I'll get ready.
913
00: 51: 10.018 -> 00: 51: 11.408
Oh, mum ...
914
00: 51: 11,600 -> 00: 51: 14,210
Are you okay honey ?
- Well yes, that's fine.
915
00: 51: 14,571 -> 00: 51: 17,210
I was shopping in the neighborhood,
I wanted to say hello.
916
00: 51: 17,216 -> 00: 51: 18,861
That is sweet.
Do you want a little coffee?
917
00: 51: 18,900 -> 00: 51: 19,700
Yes.
918
00: 51: 24,265 -> 00: 51: 26,140
Oh, you have something to say to me.
919
00: 51: 27,241 -> 00: 51: 30,077
It's Louis?
- No, it has nothing to do with your brother.
920
00: 51: 30,339 -> 00: 51: 31,409
What is happening ?
921
00: 51: 31,927 -> 00: 51: 33,558
I know it's not okay
to please you, but ...
922
00: 51: 33,564 -> 00: 51: 34,417
But what ?
923
00: 51: 34,711 -> 00: 51: 37,563
A police commissioner
went to see us,
924
00: 51: 38,091 -> 00: 51: 40,325
your father and me this morning
to ask us
925
00: 51: 40,406 -> 00: 51: 41,679
Father Preynat.
926
00: 51: 42,357 -> 00: 51: 44,318
UJne investigation for sexual abuse.
927
00: 51: 45,051 -> 00: 51: 45,879
Oh ...
928
00: 51: 46,820 -> 00: 51: 50,187
He found us thanks to my letter
sent to Decourtray in 91.
929
00: 51: 51,020 -> 00: 51: 51,888
Yes and so ?
930
00: 51: 52,065 -> 00: 51: 55,026
There is a complaint that has been
against Preynat.
931
00: 51: 55.986 -> 00: 51: 58.416
And necessarily the commissioner
would like to question you.
932
00: 51: 58,514 -> 00: 52: 01,850
Pfff ... but no, he does not care
this story is from the past.
933
00: 52: 02,016 -> 00: 52: 03,805
Who this con who
wake up now?
934
00: 52: 03,960 -> 00: 52: 05,140
He could not speak before?
935
00: 52: 05,256 -> 00: 52: 07,459
I do not know he did not want to tell us anything.
936
00: 52: 07,787 -> 00: 52: 09,486
Another one who wants to make money.
937
00: 52: 09,878 -> 00: 52: 11,253
The commissioner will call you.
938
00: 52: 11,270 -> 00: 52: 13,708
But, no, I have nothing to say to him.
It is all good.
939
00: 52: 13,962 -> 00: 52: 16,142
He took the whole thing
that I had kept.
940
00: 52: 16,395 -> 00: 52: 17,419
Which file?
941
00: 52: 17,840 -> 00: 52: 19,145
You know François well.
942
00: 52: 19,345 -> 00: 52: 22,079
The letters of the Cardinal, of Preynat, of ...
943
00: 52: 22,733 -> 00: 52: 25,100
I had everything kept for the day
where you would like to read them.
944
00: 52: 27,243 -> 00: 52: 30,399
I'm sorry darling to give you back
in all these stories.
945
00: 52: 31,790 -> 00: 52: 33,142
Do not take your mom's head.
946
00: 52: 34,112 -> 00: 52: 35,300
I will handle that.
947
00: 52: 35,808 -> 00: 52: 38,418
Can we make an appointment
quickly to the police station?
948
00: 52: 38,424 -> 00: 52: 39,801
No, but wait, I tell you
stop immediately,
949
00: 52: 39,807 -> 00: 52: 41,597
I have nothing to report,
it does not interest me.
950
00: 52: 41,860 -> 00: 52: 43,286
By cons I would just
retrieve documents
951
00: 52: 43,292 -> 00: 52: 44,614
that you took to my mother.
952
00: 52: 44,755 -> 00: 52: 46,458
I think you should testify.
953
00: 52: 46,639 -> 00: 52: 49,134
It's possible that
you are not prescribed.
954
00: 52: 51,822 -> 00: 52: 52,986
Mr. Debord?
955
00: 52: 53,949 -> 00: 52: 54,949
Yes, I am here.
956
00: 52: 59,693 -> 00: 53: 01,013
Hello, my darling, it's me.
957
00: 53: 01,019 -> 00: 53: 01,819
Yes.
958
00: 53: 01,825 -> 00: 53: 03,293
Do you want that
I go to take bread?
959
00: 53: 03,515 -> 00: 53: 05,491
No it's not worth it I have
bought on the way back.
960
00: 53: 05,507 -> 00: 53: 07,671
Okay...
The girls are lying?
961
00: 53: 07,872 -> 00: 53: 09,583
Yes, I just put them to bed.
962
00: 53: 09,821 -> 00: 53: 10,821
It works.
963
00: 53: 11,068 -> 00: 53: 12,224
Well, at all, I love you.
964
00: 53: 12,362 -> 00: 53: 13,628
See you soon.
965
00: 53: 14,237 -> 00: 53: 16,347
Phone call ended
966
00: 53: 19,510 -> 00: 53: 22,104
François, is that
can you come please?
967
00: 53: 25,318 -> 00: 53: 26,459
François ...
968
00: 53: 26,794 -> 00: 53: 29,302
what Father Preynat did to you,
it's bad.
969
00: 53: 29,908 -> 00: 53: 31,611
and it's forbidden by the law.
970
00: 53: 32,308 -> 00: 53: 35,371
A priest does not kiss a
child on the mouth,
971
00: 53: 35,653 -> 00: 53: 37,466
and do not touch her buttocks.
972
00: 53: 37,845 -> 00: 53: 41,188
He can go to jail for that.
- I do not want him to go to jail.
973
00: 53: 41,498 -> 00: 53: 43,880
Yes, François ...
But we can not do nothing.
974
00: 53: 43,967 -> 00: 53: 46,084
He was not allowed to do
what he did to you.
975
00: 53: 46,150 -> 00: 53: 47,443
So we decided
976
00: 53: 47,448 -> 00: 53: 50,216
that you will not go to the scout camp
in Ireland, your brother and you.
977
00: 53: 50,301 -> 00: 53: 52,426
And I wanted to go to the camp!
Louis.
978
00: 53: 52,501 -> 00: 53: 55,826
But he does not care about Preynat.
What interests him is the little ones.
979
00: 54: 23,539 -> 00: 54: 24,500
Dad.
980
00: 54: 27,219 -> 00: 54: 28,321
Sleep my darling.
981
00: 54: 29,368 -> 00: 54: 30,352
Dors.
982
00: 54: 35,346 -> 00: 54: 37,234
My parents fought
in the diocese.
983
00: 54: 37,515 -> 00: 54: 39,218
And the scouts stopped
thanks to them.
984
00: 54: 39,966 -> 00: 54: 40,989
That's crazy.
985
00: 54: 41,529 -> 00: 54: 44,562
Me when the scouts stopped
I was bad ... it was my fault,
986
00: 54: 44,715 -> 00: 54: 46,536
that's also why
I told my parents
987
00: 54: 46,541 -> 00: 54: 47,678
that I did not want
let him go to jail.
988
00: 54: 47,684 -> 00: 54: 50,531
But I do not understand your parents.
It was not yours, an 11-year-old
989
00: 54: 50,536 -> 00: 54: 52,114
to decide whether to go to prison.
990
00: 54: 52,265 -> 00: 54: 53,545
Listen, you know them ...
991
00: 54: 53,717 -> 00: 54: 56,756
They did what they could.
At least they reacted.
992
00: 54: 57,875 -> 00: 55: 00,984
Yeah ... Imagine it happens
to one of our girls today.
993
00: 55: 05,755 -> 00: 55: 06,896
Damn, it's not true!
994
00: 55: 07,543 -> 00: 55: 08,565
What, what is it?
995
00: 55: 08,571 -> 00: 55: 10,143
Ben looks,
he's still with kids
996
00: 55: 11,532 -> 00: 55: 13,032
This guy is sick.
997
00: 55: 22,792 -> 00: 55: 24,308
I thought he was dead, me.
998
00: 55: 50,906 -> 00: 55: 51,875
It's not okay ?
999
00: 55: 52,326 -> 00: 55: 53,126
No.
1000
00: 56: 03,469 -> 00: 56: 05,358
Decourtray had us
assured that it was done,
1001
00: 56: 05,364 -> 00: 56: 07,364
and that he was at the
little sisters of the poor.
1002
00: 56: 07,468 -> 00: 56: 09,382
What gang of bastards, without messing around.
1003
00: 56: 09,501 -> 00: 56: 10,837
Did you see this commissioner?
1004
00: 56: 11,446 -> 00: 56: 12,711
Yes, I made an appointment.
1005
00: 56: 13,220 -> 00: 56: 14,134
That's good ...
1006
00: 56: 14,829 -> 00: 56: 16,121
I promise you that with your father,
1007
00: 56: 16,126 -> 00: 56: 18,552
we have everything so that it is no longer
in contact with children
1008
00: 56: 19,245 -> 00: 56: 21,994
Yes, but you know mom, with your
letters to Decourtray and Preynat,
1009
00: 56: 22,432 -> 00: 56: 23,948
we will have to do something.
1010
00: 56: 24,410 -> 00: 56: 27,652
François, be careful,
they are powerful.
1011
00: 56: 28,684 -> 00: 56: 29,911
I'm kissing mom.
1012
00: 56: 30,336 -> 00: 56: 32,897
But, I have evidence, confessions.
I have a beautiful letter from Preynat
1013
00: 56: 32,902 -> 00: 56: 34,862
that I can pass to show you
when you want.
1014
00: 56: 34,867 -> 00: 56: 37,035
I know Father Preynat, the cardinal
Barbarin, for the moment
1015
00: 56: 37,041 -> 00: 56: 38,705
nothing you tell me
does not seem criminal to me.
1016
00: 56: 38,711 -> 00: 56: 41,326
But since I tell you that there is already
a complaint for sexual abuse of a minor
1017
00: 56: 41,332 -> 00: 56: 44,233
it's still not me saying that!
- Mr. Debord, I have your number,
1018
00: 56: 44,238 -> 00: 56: 45,711
I see with the editor
and I remind you okay?
1019
00: 56: 45,716 -> 00: 56: 48,694
Well done, she is beautiful
the local press, brave ...
1020
00: 56: 48,752 -> 00: 56: 50,229
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