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- [Tony] Tonight on "The Proof is Out There: Alien Edition".

Are government officials keeping secrets about UAPs?

- There's been a disinformation campaign

in place for the last 50 years.

- [Tony] Why did the White House order

a UAP shot down over Lake Huron?

- The military doesn't shoot things out

of the sky that it doesn't perceive as a possible threat.

- [Tony] A strange craft is spotted near

an Air Force base.

- [Man] What the **** is that?

- [Tony] Is the military

secretly transporting alien technology?

- We're seeing something

that we weren't meant to see.

- [Tony] And another Tic Tac sighting,

almost 20 years after the Nimitz encounter.

What does the Pentagon know about this UAP hotspot?

- You actually have whistleblowers

from the US Navy coming out and

talking about some of their experiences.

- [Tony] With UAP reports at an all-time high,

we're examining the most

compelling evidence caught on camera.

Tonight's focus, classified UAP cover-ups.

Our experts will analyze the evidence

and then pass a verdict.

- [Man] It's a splash - [Man 2] Splash.

- There were a lot of people

kind of speculating that this was a cover-up.

- "The Proof" starts now.

[upbeat music]

- Good evening and welcome to "The Proof is Out There".

Recently, UAPs have become the subject

of congressional hearings, government studies

and whistleblower claims.

But for decades before this, official answers were scarce.

And that silence fed a growing suspicion

that the government knew more than it was saying.

- The American people largely believe

that the government

has actively covered up the truth about UAPs.

- [Tony] So when did this all start?

Many believe it all goes back to one incident, Roswell.

It's July, 1947.

Something crashes in the desert near Roswell, New Mexico.

What was it? Well, it depends on who you ask.

- The initial report was that the military

had found a flying disc.

So it was picked up by newspapers across the country.

Then, pretty much immediately,

they retracted their story and said it

was a weather balloon.

And the change in the story led some people to think

that there was a little something fishy going on.

- [Tony] Many people believe the Roswell incident

was a cover-up.

And as UFO reports increased,

so did the suspicion that the government knew more

than it was letting on.

- The Air Force has been accused from time

to time of hiding information about the UFO.

What do you have to say to that kind of evidence?

- Well, these charges are absolutely untrue.

- There's nothing to hide? - There's nothing to hide

at all.

- [Tony] Nearly 70 years after Roswell,

New York Times journalist Leslie Kean uncovered something

that many UAP enthusiasts had suspected for decades.

- The Pentagon had a secret program

that started in 2007.

But sources have told me

that there were programs before that.

- [Tony] The program, known as AATIP,

or Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program,

had been secretly investigating UAPs.

Along with the article,

two Department of Defense videos

of unidentified objects were released.

- [Leslie] As far as I'm aware,

this is the first time actual government videos

have been released of UFOs.

- [Tony] The article stopped short

of calling these objects extraterrestrial,

but in the years that followed, one man did make that claim.

- I was informed in the course of my official duties

of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval

and reverse engineering program.

- [Tony] David Grusch, former military intelligence officer

turned Pentagon whistleblower,

came forward in June 2023,

claiming the government has been running

a secret UFO crash retrieval program

since at least World War II.

According to Grusch, the US is in possession

of downed alien craft, alien corpses,

and the US and other nations may even

have some kind of ongoing

diplomatic relationship with aliens.

- Do you believe our government

has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials?

- Something I can't discuss in public setting.

- I believe David's claims and the fact

that we are covering extraterrestrial craft

and extraterrestrial bodies

from the general scientific community and the public

at large, and there's been a disinformation campaign

in place for the last 50 years.

- It's very interesting to see someone with such

a credentialed background

as an intelligence officer make these claims in such

an official manner.

If he was lying, he could be held criminally liable.

That would suggest to me that he certainly

is not lying about what he's saying.

- [Tony] Now Pentagon whistleblower David Grusch

has claimed the US government is sitting

on much more UFO evidence than the handful of videos

that they have officially released.

Even if that's the case,

what we've seen so far is pretty compelling,

like this video

that's left top government investigators stumped.

July 12th, 2022, at an undisclosed location

in the Middle East.

An American MQ-9 drone observes a conversation

between two people on the street below.

As they walk away from a house,

a strange object comes into the sensor's field of view.

A shiny metallic ball darts diagonally across

the frame, prompting the camera to jolt away

from the people and follow the sphere eastward instead.

The sphere looks to be at least a few feet across,

and it shoots through the sky in what appears to be

a straight line.

The grainy video ends with the sphere in mid-flight

and center frame.

This object took on greater meaning when AARO,

the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office,

presented it to the public.

- Without sufficient data,

we are unable to reach defendable conclusions that meet

the high scientific standards we set for resolution.

And I will not close a case that I cannot defend

the conclusions of.

This is essentially all of the data we have associated

with this event.

It is going to be virtually impossible

to fully identify that.

- [Tony] That's right.

Unlike other UAPs it's looked into,

AARO still considers this video unresolved.

- Kirkpatrick was tight-lipped

about the exact origins of this object,

but he did acknowledge the almost inhuman speeds

at which it travels and the strange design.

He also identified

the Middle East region as a hotspot for UAPs.

- [Tony] Considering the ongoing conflicts

in the region, we have to wonder if these UFOs

are related to others that have turned up during wartime.

In 1951, during the Korean War,

a group of American GIs stationed

near Cheorwon encountered a mysterious glowing object

that floated to the center

of artillery explosions but took no damage.

One veteran later claimed the glowing craft pulsated

and changed colors.

In the following days,

the GIs fell sick with what some believe

was radiation poisoning.

Some theorize that this unidentified craft

and the hundreds reported by US troops since 2021

are attracted to military targets.

But why?

- [Eric] One explanation

is that they are actually alien probes measuring

our defensive or offensive capabilities.

In an optimistic view,

it's possible that they are simply trying to observe

our behavior and figure out why we are so often in conflict.

- [Tony] Whatever the reason,

this sphere sighting over the Middle East appears

to uphold the pattern.

A Pentagon report released in 2022 found evidence

that UFOs can inflict injuries, including radiation burns,

paralysis, and brain damage.

So while Kirkpatrick's office said this object wasn't

an apparent threat, we're inclined to take another look.

Could this be an advanced military drone?

- [Lt. Tim] This doesn't match any type of technology

that we're aware of.

I don't see any obvious signs of propulsion.

I don't see any wings.

So all the necessary components

for a typical aircraft,

you'll notice we can see other features

in the terrain, which is below this object really clearly.

So you would be able to definitely see

if there were wings, there were rotors,

any of those features on it.

- [Tony] So it's a spherical object in the sky

without apparent means of propulsion.

Could it just be a balloon?

- [Lt. Tim] It certainly could be a balloon of some sort.

Particularly in the Middle East there

have been very crude, airborne improvised explosive devices.

So you attach some sort of explosive to a balloon

in hopes that it collides with the aircraft.

The key piece of missing evidence here

is we would wanna know the wind direction

and wind speed here.

- [Tony] That info has been redacted.

Otherwise, we could determine whether wind

is with or against this object.

And if it's against, then this can be no balloon.

- [Lt. Tim] I think that's what makes this interesting

for me because the Pentagon has listed

this as unidentified, but they have access

to that information.

So they should have been able

to better narrow down it being a balloon.

- [Tony] Then could

this really be some kind of alien probe?

- [Lt. Tim] Though this video is definitely intriguing,

we also don't see any real extreme flight characteristics

that require the existence of aliens or some type

of advanced physics.

- [Tony] That means this UFO isn't displaying

the hallmarks the US military has cataloged

on other UFOs, including instantaneous acceleration,

hypersonic velocities, cloaking and trans-medium travel,

the ability to fly into and out of the water.

Nor does it convince McMillan that UFOs

are particularly interested in human conflict.

- [Lt. Tim] There are more pilots being perceptive

of their surroundings in a war zone.

So I think it gives us that idea that perhaps UFOs

are interested in human conflict when, in fact,

what it is is we're paying more attention

to the skies during human conflict.

- [Tony] Our verdict?

We're calling this a possible UFO.

On one hand, it has no wings or obvious propulsion,

which is very UFO-like.

There is a chance it's a balloon pushed by a stiff wind,

but you think AARO would know that by now.

If we get more information, we'll let you know.

- [Tony] The Roswell incident helped fuel suspicion

that the government was hiding something.

In the years that followed,

some UFO researchers claimed

that President Eisenhower secretly

visited Edwards Air Force Base,

possibly to view recovered wreckage,

and later even met with extraterrestrials

in a top-secret meeting at nearby Holloman.

So could the photograph in our next story be evidence

of that alleged alien encounter or merely a coincidence?

It's October 16, 1957.

Ella Louise Fortune, a nurse

at the Mescalero Indian Reservation in New Mexico,

is driving north on Highway 54

when she sees something hovering in the sky

over Holloman Air Force Base in Alamogordo.

She happens to have her camera with her,

so she pulls the car over and photographs this.

A glowing, white, elongated,

oval-shaped object is floating above the desert landscape.

You can see why this photo caused such a stir.

Just look at how bright it is, even in broad daylight.

Check out the sharpness of the edges here, there,

and then you have this soft wisp.

Is that exhaust? How would you fake that if you wanted to?

- This photo is a classic

in the UFO community that most people consider

a genuine photograph that was not hoaxed.

- [Tony] Not only has the photo earned a place

in UFO history, it ties into one of the most astonishing

and durable stories of the UFO canon,

allegations that Holloman Air Base was the site

of an interstellar summit where aliens forged

an alliance with the US government.

- [MJ] There's a story that circulates

within UFO circles that President Dwight D. Eisenhower

secretly met with aliens,

and this alien gets shuffled into a back room

and the president is flown in to specifically meet

with this creature.

So we have a lot of strange stories out there

of secret meetings between presidents and aliens

from other planets.

- [Tony] Now, according to some,

during these secret meetings,

President Eisenhower brokered a deal to allow the aliens

to abduct humans in exchange

for extraterrestrial black technology that would lead

to developments like the B-2 stealth bomber.

Is the photo we have here evidence

of that advanced alien tech?

We asked our experts to decide.

Is it possible that white color

and shape match something you'd expect to see near

an Air Force base, namely a parachute?

- [Lt. Tim] Nothing about it is consistent with a parachute.

In particular, you don't see a payload.

The shape of it is inconsistent

with what you would expect for a parachute if it

is being weighted down by a payload.

- [Tony] Some have speculated it could be a balloon

or blimp, but McMillan doesn't see it.

- [Lt. Tim] It doesn't resemble any obvious shape

of a balloon.

Also, it definitely appears to be extremely bright,

and so it would have to have some type of light source.

- [Tony] This thing is white and in the sky.

Could it just be a cloud?

- It takes very strong winds to create

that kind of like sharpness to the edges and creating

the saucer-like look to it

because it doesn't even match what you would expect

with the upper band cirrus clouds.

So I don't see this as a cloud whatsoever.

- [Tony] Instead, Hoffman believes

with some calculations,

he can narrow down the possibilities.

- [Rich] It was roughly around 10,000 feet,

and roughly they assumed it was 15 miles away.

You do trigonometry.

You're able to determine that it's roughly just

over a mile long.

- [Tony] If Hoffman's numbers are correct,

he says we can eliminate several other possibilities.

- [Rich] I would never go to the point of saying

that this is a plane.

The size makes no sense.

It's a mile wide, and it's not a UFO.

No object, especially one a mile long,

would not have gone undetected by the people

that are positioned there monitoring that part of the sky.

- [Tony] So what could it be?

Hoffman says location is the key.

- [Rich] If there's one important thing

that you need to know.

Holloman Air Force Base was to the position

of the witness's left.

The vast majority of this area you're looking at

is White Sands Missile Range.

The fact that this is conveniently positioned right

at 10,000 feet would probably make it very likely

that it's a missile test of some sort.

- [Tony] McMillan agrees and believes

the photo reveals an important clue.

- [Lt. Tim] There appears to be a contrail behind

the object which suggests that the object is moving

and leaving a vapor trail that would be consistent

with solid fuel burning.

- [Tony] A large vapor trail could also explain

why this object looks a mile long when in fact

it's much shorter.

- [Lt. Tim] The US at the time.

was engaged in significant rocket testing

and especially were in the height of the space race

between the United States and the Soviet Union.

- [Rich] There were a whole variety of missiles

that were being tested.

It could have been fired from an aircraft or something

that would have created a kind of plume

of smoke like this.

- [Tony] But if this mile long object is really just

a trail of missile exhaust, we continue

to ask ourselves, why do the edges look so distinct?

Not to mention, a speeding missile doesn't match

the eyewitness story.

This thing had to hang in the air long enough for Ella

to see it, park her car, get out, and take a photo.

We can't help but feel we're still missing a piece

of this puzzle.

Our verdict? Still an unidentified object.

Our experts bring up great points,

but even if the contrail points to a chemical fuel burn

and the missile range was a short 30 miles away,

the image itself just doesn't give us enough info

to definitively call it a missile or anything else.

That keeps it a UFO in our book, for now.

- [Tony] There's no public evidence to support

the claim that President Eisenhower ever saw Roswell

wreckage in 1954.

But whistleblower David Grusch told Congress

that the government does have UAPs in its possession.

And he says he knows where.

- Mr. Grusch, finally, do you believe that our

government is in possession of UAPs?

- Absolutely, based on interviewing

over 40 witnesses over four years.

- And where? - I know the exact locations

and those locations were provided

to the Inspector General and some

of which to the Intelligence Committees.

- [Tony] So where are they?

Our next video may provide a clue.

September 2021.

An anonymous source

at a construction site near Edwards Air Force Base

in California spots an unusual structure being towed

by a large truck.

- What the...

- [Tony] The video shows

what appears to be a UFO-like craft

being transported on a flatbed trailer.

Let's take a closer look.

At first glance, the shape

of this mysterious object seems reminiscent

of the curved contours of a B-2 stealth bomber.

But upon closer examination,

it doesn't seem capable of flight.

People tracked down the location of the video soon

after it was posted online.

- Internet sleuths were able to determine

that it was taken at Skunk Works.

Skunk Works is where Lockheed Martin

was designing spy planes back in the '50s and '60s.

So it's possible that we're seeing something

that we weren't meant to see.

- [Tony] In 2021, former Nevada Senator Harry Reid,

whose state is home to Area 51,

made an even more shocking claim

that the defense contractors

at Lockheed Martin may also be in possession of fragments

of a crashed UFO.

- [Amy] A lot of conspiracy theorists will say

that aliens are drawn

to the desert out in California or Nevada.

So this is an area where they will land or will crash.

And that opens the door for engineers

to then collect them and then reverse engineer

and understand what technology aliens are dealing with.

- [Tony] Many believe that one

of these alien technologies could have led

to the development of what's known on Earth as meta-metals.

- [Amy] There's a type of material called meta-metals.

It absorbs light and electromagnetic radiation

and any kind of radio waves,

which would theoretically make it almost

an invisible metal.

Because it would be unable to be seen on radar.

It could even be slightly invisible to the naked eye

if it's refracting light in a certain way.

- [Tony] We know that a former Skunk Works director

has teamed up with a private research group to study

an exotic metal object

that was recently purchased for $35,000.

The person who sold

the possible meta-material claims it came off of a UFO

that crashed in New Mexico's

White Sands Proving Grounds in 1947.

So, could this footage show something similar?

After this video is posted,

a reporter asked the Lockheed Martin executive in charge

of Skunk Works if he was able to tell us anything

about what we saw.

He simply replied, "I can't."

So the truth may be out there,

but Lockheed Martin isn't talking.

Let's see if our experts can crack the case.

- [Lt. Tim] At first glance, it definitely looks like a UFO.

If we were gonna draw an alien spacecraft,

we might draw something like this.

- [Tony] Still, McMillan has his doubts

that we could be looking at a recovered UFO.

- [Lt. Tim] One of the first things that says

that this is probably not a UFO is if they're going

to move it in the daytime,

they're gonna do it in a manner where it

is completely sequestered.

- [Tony] So it seems strange they would transport

a UFO out in the open.

But it sure doesn't look aerodynamic

or like any sort of aircraft we fly here on Earth.

And since we can't test for metametals,

it's hard to confirm its material.

So then what are we looking at here?

Mick West spots a detail that could shed some more light.

- [Nick] This structure in the background,

it looks like some

kind of perhaps massive radar installation.

I think it's a big clue

as to what this facility actually is.

- [Tony] On a hunch, we geo-located the structure.

Using an open source intelligence comparison

of the scaffolding, buildings, and foliage,

it is possible to pinpoint the exact spot

where this incident took place.

The Helendale Radar Cross Section Facility.

- The testing facility

is where the military tests

what their planes look like on radar.

Sometimes they just build parts of the plane

and they'll look at it with radars

from different directions.

And they want to see how much this one part

of the plane actually contributes

to the radar cross-section.

- [Tony] Based on its shape,

West speculates that this is the fuselage

of a novel future stealth fighter with a curved rather

than an angular profile,

and without a tail section or stabilizers.

Our verdict?

This model certainly pinged our radar,

but in the end it was simply a prop

for radar testing being done in the area.

Military leaks happen all the time though,

so keep your eyes to the sky

and you might just see something you weren't supposed to.

Navy aviators from the USS Nimitz encountered this UFO

about 100 miles off the coast of California.

That video was shot from the left wing camera

of an F/A-18 Super Hornet,

and the pilots who saw it up close say it looked like

a giant Tic Tac.

It produced years of speculation,

even government hearings.

- I would like to say that the Tic Tac object

we engaged in 2004 was far superior to anything

that we had on time, have today,

or are looking to develop in the next 10 years.

- [Tony] Fravor says there was no follow-up

after the encounter, so why the silence?

- Excessive secrecy has led

to grave misdeeds against loyal civil servants,

military personnel, and the public,

all to hide the fact that we are not alone in the cosmos.

- [Tony] And now, another Tic Tac video has emerged.

It is just past 7 PM on February 15, 2023,

and the Navy's USS Jackson combat ship is just off

the coast of San Diego, California,

not far from the site of the 2004 Tic Tac encounter

in a special-use airspace area known as W-291.

- An operations specialist on board

the ship, Alexandro Wiggins,

observed something unusual on radar,

and he took to the deck to make an observation

with the naked eye,

and he witnessed some kind of structure

or light emanating up from the waterline.

- Watching this light emerge from the water

at a distance and then go into the air

with a solid light, no blinking or anything,

I've never witnessed that ever in my life.

- [Mitch] Wiggins went back inside the control room

to check his radar screen,

where he and other sailors witnessed four objects,

at which point they began recording

with the SAFIRE system.

- [Tony] The SAFIRE, an infrared sensor

that detects heat, focuses on two of the objects flying

from right to left in perfect synchronicity.

The monitor punches in on one of the objects,

revealing the familiar Tic Tac shape,

apparently hovering over the ocean.

Moments after the video ends,

Senior Chief Wiggins says the watch team zooms out

on the monitor just in time

to see all four objects shoot off simultaneously.

Though odd, the objects show no hostile intent,

so it goes unreported until April 2025,

when investigative journalist Jeremy Corbell gets a hold

of the video and releases it to massive media coverage.

- [Mitch] The video just caused astonishment

because these things have been a repeat presence

in those waters, including the original Tic Tac video.

And Jeremy Corbell also released the USS Omaha video,

which captured one of these objects splashing down.

- What was that? - It splashed.

- [Tony] In fact, original reporting

on the History Channel series,

"Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation",

revealed that the 2004 Tic Tac was even seen on sonar.

- Sonar said they got a hit.

According to one of the sonar guys,

they were going 70-plus knots under the water.

- We've known that the Navy

has been dealing with these USOs now for decades.

In fact, there's some reporting that's come out

where you actually have whistleblowers

from the US Navy coming out and talking about some

of their experiences, most notably the USS Hampton

that was in the late 1990s during an operation

had detected something moving very, very fast.

And some of the individuals actually on that submarine

who detected this estimated the speed was faster

than the speed of sound.

- [Tony] The location of that incident

has not been disclosed.

But are these repeated incidents, all

in the same area,

evidence of something greater than just

a few flying objects?

- [Mitch] These are all just theories,

but one that makes the rounds among naval personnel

is the potential existence of an underwater base

from which these objects emerge and return to.

It's, of course, just a speculative hypothesis,

but these objects have been variously recorded

or witnessed emerging from the waters off the coast

of San Diego.

The collective details are just extraordinary.

- [Tony] This new Tic Tac video hasn't just wowed

the American public.

It was even shared with Navy aviator David Fravor,

who encountered the first Tic Tac back in 2004.

He said he was stunned by the similarities.

Let's see if our experts have the same reaction.

This was February 2023,

just days after a Chinese spy balloon crossed America,

setting the nation on edge and ultimately leading

to a shoot down just off the East Coast.

Could these be intelligence gathering inflatables?

- [Rich] I took a look at the weather on that day,

and you had winds from the west at about 6 miles an hour.

So if they were balloons,

you would see the balloons going with the wind

in one direction, and it doesn't do that.

- [Tony] That still doesn't rule out

a foreign incursion, though.

We know drones have been an issue over military bases

and US soil, and the suspicion is that they are the work

of adversarial nations.

Is this video proof they might be toying with our Navy, too?

- [Rich] I will point out

that the motions you see could be done by drones,

including the synchronicity, but you also

have a situation where these people described it

as being that they instantaneously shot off.

And they were talking about a really,

really incredibly fast speed.

And so that doesn't sound like a drone.

- [Tony] Since this is special use airspace,

could these be special aircraft,

perhaps part of a secret military test?

- Could they be doing a test

that the Jackson wasn't aware of?

Yeah, maybe.

We have signal transmedium type things.

Submarine-launched ballistic missiles do that.

But if it was a missile, it would be moving fast.

And then the size of that object would get smaller

and smaller and smaller

and smaller and smaller until it was gone.

Right? That would have happened very quickly.

And in this case, it didn't go away.

- [Tony] With those possibilities eliminated,

the question becomes, were these UFOs?

- [Rich] Well, I believe that they saw the Tic Tac.

Because you had a very clear observation

by a witness visibly, that it was being picked up

on radar, it was also being picked up

in this thermal imaging system.

All those things combined put it into a very strong case

of being an unknown.

- [Tony] Our verdict? Genuine UFO's.

Remember, even though

the video mostly focused on one Tic Tac,

all four of these things were seen shooting off almost

instantaneously, making them

all unidentified flying objects.

The release of these Tic Tac videos could be

having an impact.

Recently, the US National Archives opened the floodgates

on decades' worth of UFO documentation.

- [Tony] We've seen the military track strange objects

on video and then let them go.

[pilots shouting]

But over the Great Lakes,

something triggered an immediate response.

Why?

We don't have any photos or video,

but a recorded verbal description of it helped lead

the US president to order it shot out of the sky.

Have a listen.

It's February 12, 2023, above Lake Huron,

near the Canadian border.

The US military sends two F-16 fighter jets to investigate

a TOI, or Track of Interest.

That's pilot speak for an airborne object that poses

a potential threat to national security.

We obtained recordings of the cockpit conversations

that took place during this incident.

As the pilots make their way up to 20,000 feet,

they discuss the mission.

- [Tony] But once they arrive,

what they find is hard to describe.

- [Tony] Whatever it is,

after meeting with military experts,

President Biden orders the craft shot down.

Journalist MJ Banias recalls following the event

as it unfolded.

- The newsroom kind of erupted

as we were trying to figure out what was happening.

It was pretty chaotic.

Allegedly, the reason for shooting it down

was because it posed a hazard to flight safety.

- [Tony] And Banias says

the speculation immediately centered around one thing.

- [MJ] This incident came off the back

of a Chinese spy balloon that was shot down,

so there was already heightened stress

that there could be other spy balloons.

- [Tony] But was it just a balloon?

Unlike other recent run-ins with military jets,

like the infamous Tic Tac and gimbal UAPs,

the government hasn't released any gun camera videos

of this incident.

US officials are simply calling it an unidentified object.

- [MJ] There were a lot

of people kind of speculating online

that this was a cover-up, that these were actually UFOs.

There were a lot of people claiming

that this was some sort of alien invasion.

- [Tony] The US and Canada would join forces to try

and locate the wreckage, but none was ever found.

- [MJ] To this day,

no country or organization has claimed responsibility.

It still remains a bit of a mystery.

- [Tony] At the time of this incident,

General Glen VanHerck was the head of NORAD.

That's the agency responsible

for overseeing North American airspace.

When the media first asked him about these events,

he refused to rule out extraterrestrial forces at play.

That was later walked back by officials,

but it hasn't prevented

the UFO community from suspecting a cover-up.

What will our experts think?

Is it possible this object was another plane?

- Based on what the pilots are describing,

the object is not moving very fast at all.

It makes it incredibly difficult to really get a handle

on it, because any time you get close to it,

it whizzes past you.

- [Lt. Tim] A plane is gonna stall out at that speed.

It's not gonna be able to maintain

that type of slow speed.

So, we can really just rule out plane easily.

- [Tony] Could this be some kind of drone?

- [Lt. Tim] The pilots observed it

at around 20,000 feet,

that it's much higher

than any commercial drones would be able to achieve

under normal circumstances.

And when you're talking about military grade

or really professional grade drones,

when you see they have wings, they have control surfaces,

so those would be really easily identifiable.

- [Tony] So what could drift about 20,000 feet

in the air and isn't a plane?

- [Marc] The first conclusion

that I started leaning towards was,

is it possible this was another spy balloon of some kind?

- [Tony] Spy balloons, like the one from China,

have what's called a payload attached to the bottom

of the balloon that contains

the actual surveillance equipment.

But then, D'Antonio says he hears a clue in the audio

that shuts down his theory.

- [Marc] The pilot said it had strings hanging down.

What the pilot didn't see was the small payload.

It tells me that this was probably a normal balloon

of some type that was shot down.

- [Tony] So if it was octagonal,

was it a group of balloons tied together?

All we know is a national security spokesman says

the object did not match

the Chinese spy balloon shot down over the Atlantic coast.

And after that spy balloon shoot down,

the radar used by NORAD,

the North American Aerospace Defense Command,

had been adjusted to detect these kinds of aerial objects.

Our verdict?

Because the pilots mentioned strings,

we're going with balloon in this case.

Admittedly, it's impossible to determine

that definitively without the recovery of the object.

But we do know that it cost more than $400,000 to fire

the missile that brought the thing down.

With that price tag for taxpayers,

you'd think we'd be able to know what we hit.

three videos shot in Arizona were leaked to the public.

Without the leaks, these Homeland Security videos may

have never been made public.

So why the secrecy?

We've investigated two of these cases before.

Here is the latest clip.

April 14th, 2021, east of Tombstone, Arizona.

It's shortly after 11 PM and an agent

with the Department of Homeland Security

is tracking an A-10 Warthog plane.

He's operating a forward-looking infrared camera,

or FLIR, mounted atop a truck.

The A-10 appears silhouetted because with this camera,

hot objects are black while cooler objects appear white.

The leaker didn't elaborate on why this plane is flying

over Arizona or why a DHS agent would be filming it.

But it's in our hands because nobody expected what

happened next.

A spherical object appears to be chasing the fighter jet.

Like the A-10, the object's heat signature

is also black hot.

But when the agent changes to a different setting,

the UAP shows up like a bright orb trailing the A-10.

At times, the light is traveling so fast,

the FLIR operator has problems following it

and keeping it in frame.

This video remains secret until it was sent

to UFO investigator Andy Marcial.

- When I saw this and I realized

that this was real, I understood that, you know,

what I got my hands on was a big deal.

- [Tony] For some, this Arizona sighting falls

in line with much of what we've heard about UAPs

from other government sources.

- [Amy] At an April 2023 congressional hearing,

Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the head of AARO,

testified that 52% of all UAP cases it has investigated,

the objects are spherical,

most measure between 1 and 4 meters across.

- [Tony] Orbs like this one,

uncovered by investigative journalist Jeremy Korbel.

This unidentified object was photographed over Mosul,

Iraq in 2016.

- [Amy] And usually, their method of propulsion

is never immediately obvious.

This sighting falls into all of the major categories.

- [Tony] Teitel notes they've seen some similarities more

concerning than others.

- [Amy] Kirkpatrick also presented a number of cases

where spherical UFOs are seen trailing military planes.

The video shows that the object is keeping up

with the A-10 Warthog like it's nothing.

This has led some people to wonder whether these spheres

are actually aliens tracking our military technology.

- [Tony] There are many reasons

why extraterrestrials might be interested

in our military: surveillance, curiosity...

One former NASA astronaut has even claimed

that aliens prevented a nuclear exchange during the peak

of the Cold War.

So were aliens really monitoring the A-10 Warthog

or was this something else flying in the plane's airspace?

After releasing the footage,

Andy Marcial went to his friend David Falch for answers.

Falch is a FLIR technician and operator who works

with the exact same cameras our video was shot on.

The first question is, could this be much ado about nothing?

Are we simply looking at a bird?

- [David] It appears that the object is flying around

the same speed as the aircraft,

which is traveling about 340 to 350 miles an hour.

I don't know any birds that fly 350 miles an hour.

- [Tony] If it's not a bird,

could it be another object seen

over the Arizona desert nowadays?

- [Rich] Within the last year alone,

there's been about maybe 2,200 incidents reported

by Homeland Security of drones being used

to carry drugs across the border and into US territory.

However, a drone wouldn't be changing the shape.

This particular object doesn't remain round.

In fact, we don't know of any technology

that changes shape like this as it flies.

- [Tony] What kind of airborne

object can change its shape?

Perhaps a balloon in the process of deflating?

- [Marc] Could it be a balloon?

Probably not, based on the speed of its motion.

It looks like it's something that's moving along

under its own power fast enough so that it can stay

in the field of the A-10.

Now, it's still possible it could be caught

in the fast-moving wind column.

- [Tony] The winds in jet streams, on average,

reach speeds of about 110 miles per hour.

But if a balloon was caught in that stream,

how could it keep up with the Warthog,

which typically flies at 350 miles per hour?

So with no earthly explanation for this object,

could we be looking at something truly extraterrestrial?

- [Marc] It's changing it's size.

We don't know any craft or any objects that can do that.

- [Tony] Our verdict?

We're calling this one a genuine UFO,

and it's worth noting,

we see striking similarities here

to other government released videos like

the infamous USS Nimitz Tic Tac.

But let's be cautious here.

We're still uncertain this object is of alien origin.

In any case, Andy, keep 'em coming.

The greatest mystery may not be what's seen in the sky,

but what's been kept from view.

And as questions grow louder,

we'll continue searching for what's really out there.

Thank you for watching this special episode

of "The Proof Is Out There".

Please send us any videos, images,

or sound that you think we should investigate

and remember to keep those cameras rolling.

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