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The Ground Rules of Kolsch:
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It is what it is.
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It'll come as it comes.
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It's always gone well.
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What's gone is gone.
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Nothing stays as it was.
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Don't know it, don't need it, ch
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What're you going to do?
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Do it right, but not too often.
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What's with that?
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You drinkin' one with us?
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♪ Beautiful world ♪
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♪ Felt the cool rain ♪
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♪ On my shoulder ♪
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♪ Found something good ♪
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♪ In this beautiful world ♪
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♪ I felt the rain ♪
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♪ Getting colder ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la, la ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la, la ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la, la, la ♪
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[Bourdain]
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They say--and by "they,"
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I mean, people from around here
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that Cologne is an ugly city.
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This is quickly followed
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by the proud statement
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that the people are nice.
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That they are welcoming,
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tolerant, kind,
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open to new things.
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I never saw Cologne
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as ugly at all.
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I always saw it
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as, well, charming,
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in the least patronizing sense
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of the word.
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I mean, the city charms you.
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It takes you in.
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It makes you feel...
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welcome.
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♪ ♪
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[Bourdain]
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Maybe it was the non-douchey
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beer culture here
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that appealed.
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I don't mean beer culture
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in a judgmental,
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neck beard hovering over you,
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waiting for you to decide
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between craft beers way,
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either.
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I mean--I mean,
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that here decent beer
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is a way of life.
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It's a birthright.
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You don't talk
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about it too much.
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You freaking drink it.
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Beer here means,
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more often than not,
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kolsch.
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Heinz Gruna has lived
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in Cologne his whole life.
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-[speaking in German]
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-[speaking in German]
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[Bourdain] He does marketing
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for several German breweries,
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so kolsch is an integral part
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of both his social
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and business lives.
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Kolsch is not a brand.
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What is this, anyway?
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-Let's call it a style.
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-All right.
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-It's a pale ale.
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-Uh-hmm.
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And people love to drink it
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in high amounts.
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[Bourdain] Malzmuhle brewery
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has been slinging beer nonstop
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for the last
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hundred fifty years.
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Democratic. Utilitarian.
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Welcoming to all people
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with a powerful thirst.
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I love the whole style.
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Like, the little glasses.
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Is this unique to Cologne?
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Other regions of Germany,
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you won't find such...
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-small glasses.
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-Right.
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They start with
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0.3 to 0.5.
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-To the giant--yeah.
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-Yeah.
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You know, if you have
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a giant thing of beer,
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it's, like, piss warm
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by the time
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you get down to the bottom.
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But here, it's necessary
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because it is not
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very carbonated
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and the foam disappears
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in minutes.
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There are guys
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who drink it in one sip.
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I'm not sure the exact
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blood absorption rate
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of alcohol
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but I would think that
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if you're hammering
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these things back,
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it's hitting your bloodstream
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at the perfect rate.
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Maybe we have to name them
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alcoholics,
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but they are
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accustomed to it.
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[Bourdain] There are certain
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iconic accompaniments
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to beer drinking
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when in Cologne
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like metthapen,
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which is minced raw pork
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with onions on a roll.
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Or halver hahn,
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which is simply
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gouda cheese on rye.
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[man speaking in German]
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This is really good.
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[Heinz] Then now you see
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how it goes, no?
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You'll get a kolsch
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without ordering.
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I don't like
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this custom, though.
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This--I don't wanna know
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how many beers I've had.
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-It's just--
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-Okay, but he has to know.
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[Bourdain] Yeah. It's fine.
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Can't he do his own
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little system?
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Somewhere around here,
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I'm thinking, "Jeez,
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I've got a--
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I've got a problem."
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[both laughing]
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[Bourdain] It's when
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the himmel und erde,
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or heaven and earth,
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hits the table
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that I start getting deep
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into my happy zone.
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That's blood sausage,
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fried onions,
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and mashed potatoes
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with applesauce.
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Which if you don't like,
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by the way,
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pretty much removes you
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from my "will save
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from drowning" list.
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And then, there's this.
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The dish that almost alone
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brought me back to Cologne.
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It was sweet, sweet memories
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of this stegosaurus-sized
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shank of cured pork,
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boiled and boiled
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until it literally
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falls away from the bones,
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steaming and moist,
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a symphony of meat and gelatin
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and good, good stuff.
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God is hiding
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in there somewhere.
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[Heinz] Cologne
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is a workers' town, you know?
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So, the kitchen is definitely
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a workers' kitchen.
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And yet, it has
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a pretty liberal,
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progressive world view,
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where did that come from?
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with the river.
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Occupation here was trading.
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So, the Cologne people,
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from the beginning,
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were interested
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in other people,
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and they took profit
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of other people.
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We are not afraid
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of influences from outside.
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But therefore,
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it's also important
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to have some traditions
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that are lasting
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for a long time.
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And one of those
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would be kolsch.
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One of is kolsch.
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One of is the dish.
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And people know that
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they can come here
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and it won't change.
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This place will not change
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in the next 200 years.
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♪ ♪
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[Bourdain] Cologne is, or was,
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a predominantly Catholic city.
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Perhaps more Mediterranean
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in temperament
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than those fun-hating
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Lutherans and Calvinists.
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It's Germany's fun zone,
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and from November to February,
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Cologners celebrate Carnival.
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Partying here
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has a whole season.
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♪ ♪
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[all] ♪ Polka, polka, polka ♪
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[singing in German]
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♪ Polka, polka, polka ♪
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[Bourdain]
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Carnival here is an exuberant,
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anarchistic, bat shit-wild,
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40-day celebration
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leading up to Lent.
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It can be absolute mayhem.
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My completely rational
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fear of clowns,
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mimes, parades, public dancing,
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and crowds in general, really,
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prohibits me from taking part.
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These days, Brian Jones
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could come back from the grave
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for one night only
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with the Stones,
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and Janis, and Jimi, and Jim,
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they could all be there,
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and you know what?
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I ain't going.
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But the Cologners,
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God bless 'em,
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they love it.
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♪ ♪
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[Bourdain]
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Bei Oma Kleinmann
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handles enormous crowds
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of revelers.
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Fortunately, the madness
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is still a few weeks away.
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[crowd chatter]
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And this is my
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old friend, Tracey,
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who had the good
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or bad fortune,
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depending on how
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you look at it,
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to travel and produce
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shows around the world
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with me for many years.
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Anke is from Cologne,
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and makes me feel better
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about my Carnival-phobia.
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Carnival.
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You like Carnival?
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I do, and I'm not
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ashamed to say it.
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Will jesters, and bards,
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and medievally-attired
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pranksters
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be popping up
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during my stay here?
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You're missing out.
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You really--
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Mimes? No mimes,
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troubadours, jugglers,
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human statues?
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All of them are wearing
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bonkers costumes
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and look like shit all day.
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I don't like it. No.
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I always get embarrassed
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about those people.
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I hate Carnival.
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-I hate Carnival, too.
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-Are there parades?
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-[Both] Yes.
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-I hate parades.
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-Okay.
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-Are there clowns?
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-You hate clowns.
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-I hate clowns.
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-Okay.
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-Jesters?
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-Yeah, occasionally.
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-Festive attire?
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Uh...
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I have beer right now.
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I don't need
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no stinking Carnival
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to drink beer, man.
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And as I understand it,
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I'm urged to drink beer
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as part of a community
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of beer drinking
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with other bros.
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-I hate bros.
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-No. It's not just bros.
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It's a whole community
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of people, speaking in dialects.
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-Singing songs in dialect.
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-Singing.
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I forgot to mention that.
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I hate that, too.
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There is another side.
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And if you open your heart,
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you would see it.
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My heart is a cold,
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cold place.
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And there's no room in it
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for jugglers.
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♪ ♪
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[Bourdain] What did you think
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when you heard
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that I wanna come to Germany
335
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and go to Cologne?
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That's awesome,
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because Cologne is, like,
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the other city in Germany
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that I can really
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identify with.
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It's like I have this
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love affair with Cologne.
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I often say that
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the places I go,
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there's a pheromonic
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decision
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made very quickly.
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You step outside
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the airport terminal
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and you go [inhales]
351
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and you know right away.
352
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"There's something
353
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about this place
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that's--that I think
355
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I'm gonna like."
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A few weeks ago,
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a friend of mine
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from Berlin
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came to visit me,
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and after three days,
361
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he just looked at me and said,
362
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"Anke, what is this?
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Why are you all
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so satisfied by it?
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Why are you all so happy?
366
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Why are you all so relaxed?"
367
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And I thought,
368
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"I don't know, maybe it is
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because everybody's telling us
370
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that our city is ugly
371
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and Berlin is the big thing,
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and maybe we have to show
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with our hearts
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that we are good people
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and that we are having fun,"
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and I think the kolsch
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is helping us.
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[Tracy] For some reason,
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every time I arrive here,
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I always feel, like,
381
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somehow that people
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are more open here
383
00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:04,896
to me being American
384
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and speaking German,
385
00:10:04,938 --> 00:10:07,357
and part of it
386
00:10:04,938 --> 00:10:07,357
is this Carnival thing.
387
00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:09,067
-Really?
388
00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:09,067
-Maybe it's my own
389
00:10:09,109 --> 00:10:10,651
self-discovery of, like,
390
00:10:10,693 --> 00:10:12,737
being in another place
391
00:10:10,693 --> 00:10:12,737
and finally being accepted.
392
00:10:12,779 --> 00:10:14,906
Maybe because I'm in costume
393
00:10:12,779 --> 00:10:14,906
and they don't know right away
394
00:10:14,948 --> 00:10:16,950
-that I'm not German.
395
00:10:14,948 --> 00:10:16,950
-Right, it's kind of like
396
00:10:16,991 --> 00:10:18,952
an "Eyes Wide Shut"
397
00:10:16,991 --> 00:10:18,952
kind of a thing.
398
00:10:18,993 --> 00:10:21,496
No. No.
399
00:10:24,291 --> 00:10:26,918
[Bourdain] This is what
400
00:10:24,291 --> 00:10:26,918
I came here for, though.
401
00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,671
Surf board sized slabs
402
00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,671
of veal and pork
403
00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:32,507
filled with
404
00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:32,507
many wonderful things,
405
00:10:32,549 --> 00:10:33,716
dredged in breadcrumbs
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00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:37,887
and fried in magical,
407
00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:37,887
magical deep fat.
408
00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:40,932
Now, that's a carnival
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00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:40,932
I can get behind.
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00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:44,519
♪ ♪
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00:10:53,736 --> 00:10:54,904
-[Bourdain] Wow.
412
00:10:53,736 --> 00:10:54,904
-[Tracy] Wow.
413
00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:56,781
[Bourdain]
414
00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:56,781
That is unbelievable.
415
00:10:56,823 --> 00:11:00,619
[Tracy] Supposedly, you can
416
00:10:56,823 --> 00:11:00,619
split your schnitzel in half,
417
00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:01,786
take the other half home
418
00:11:01,828 --> 00:11:03,580
and it's really good
419
00:11:01,828 --> 00:11:03,580
for breakfast.
420
00:11:03,622 --> 00:11:05,123
It's, like,
421
00:11:03,622 --> 00:11:05,123
the German equivalent
422
00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:06,707
of pizza in the morning.
423
00:11:06,749 --> 00:11:10,128
Right, which is a tradition
424
00:11:06,749 --> 00:11:10,128
I totally support.
425
00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:13,672
♪ ♪
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[Bourdain] Considering
427
00:11:17,218 --> 00:11:19,720
it's a beer-drinking culture,
428
00:11:19,762 --> 00:11:21,931
at the end of the night,
429
00:11:19,762 --> 00:11:21,931
will there be two, or three,
430
00:11:21,973 --> 00:11:23,891
or five, or ten people
431
00:11:21,973 --> 00:11:23,891
all hanging out, like,
432
00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:27,103
way past the point that
433
00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:27,103
they should have gone home,
434
00:11:27,145 --> 00:11:28,605
or does everybody reach
435
00:11:28,647 --> 00:11:30,315
a sensible point
436
00:11:28,647 --> 00:11:30,315
of intoxication
437
00:11:30,357 --> 00:11:32,359
and say,
438
00:11:30,357 --> 00:11:32,359
"Well, you know what?
439
00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:33,734
I'll see you tomorrow."
440
00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:35,403
You're forcing beers on us.
441
00:11:35,445 --> 00:11:36,613
I didn't order a beer.
442
00:11:36,655 --> 00:11:37,738
Like, another one
443
00:11:36,655 --> 00:11:37,738
just keeps coming.
444
00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:39,449
Do you know
445
00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:39,449
how to make it stop?
446
00:11:39,491 --> 00:11:41,535
Face-plant
447
00:11:39,491 --> 00:11:41,535
into my schnitzel?
448
00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:43,203
[laughter]
449
00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:45,664
[Tracy]
450
00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:45,664
There's an easier way.
451
00:11:45,704 --> 00:11:48,208
You do this.
452
00:11:45,704 --> 00:11:48,208
That means, like, "I'm done."
453
00:11:48,249 --> 00:11:49,584
Yeah, but nobody's
454
00:11:48,249 --> 00:11:49,584
doing that.
455
00:11:49,626 --> 00:11:51,461
-Not yet.
456
00:11:49,626 --> 00:11:51,461
-I'm not doing that.
457
00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:55,798
[Bourdain] So, let's talk about
458
00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:55,798
the elephant in the room.
459
00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,635
We know that Cologne
460
00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,635
is a proudly-tolerant,
461
00:11:58,677 --> 00:12:00,679
fun-loving,
462
00:11:58,677 --> 00:12:00,679
beer-drinking, pork-happy,
463
00:12:00,719 --> 00:12:02,222
and friendly little city.
464
00:12:02,263 --> 00:12:04,182
But just a few days
465
00:12:02,263 --> 00:12:04,182
before we arrived,
466
00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:07,810
Cologne became the focus
467
00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:07,810
of the whole argument
468
00:12:07,852 --> 00:12:10,813
over Europe's refugee crisis.
469
00:12:10,855 --> 00:12:12,399
Cologne, of all places,
470
00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,817
is now the example
471
00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,817
for both sides
472
00:12:14,859 --> 00:12:17,070
of an increasingly
473
00:12:14,859 --> 00:12:17,070
bitter argument
474
00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:19,780
over whether Europe,
475
00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:19,780
and by extension the world,
476
00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:22,783
should turn their backs
477
00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:22,783
on the millions of refugees
478
00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:24,785
spilling out of Syria, Iraq,
479
00:12:24,827 --> 00:12:25,953
and a Middle East
480
00:12:25,995 --> 00:12:29,165
spinning into chaos
481
00:12:25,995 --> 00:12:29,165
and slaughter.
482
00:12:29,207 --> 00:12:32,460
With the bodies of children
483
00:12:29,207 --> 00:12:32,460
washing up on Greek beaches
484
00:12:32,502 --> 00:12:35,589
and few other countries
485
00:12:32,502 --> 00:12:35,589
willing to help,
486
00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:36,797
Germany has taken in
487
00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:40,594
1.1 million people
488
00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:40,594
fleeing ISIS,
489
00:12:40,635 --> 00:12:42,303
Russian, and Syrian bombs,
490
00:12:42,345 --> 00:12:43,513
and war.
491
00:12:43,555 --> 00:12:45,432
One should, I believe,
492
00:12:45,473 --> 00:12:47,726
be admired and even celebrated
493
00:12:47,766 --> 00:12:49,810
for doing
494
00:12:47,766 --> 00:12:49,810
the morally-right thing
495
00:12:49,852 --> 00:12:52,813
over the probably-wise thing.
496
00:12:58,861 --> 00:13:01,489
Sakher Al-Mohammed
497
00:12:58,861 --> 00:13:01,489
is one of many
498
00:13:01,531 --> 00:13:03,283
who found his way to Cologne.
499
00:13:03,324 --> 00:13:05,034
Hani Zaitoun helps refugees
500
00:13:05,076 --> 00:13:07,828
as they try to integrate
501
00:13:05,076 --> 00:13:07,828
into German society.
502
00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:12,459
This is, unsurprisingly,
503
00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:12,459
easier said than done.
504
00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,669
-Getting to Turkey, no problem?
505
00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,669
-Yes.
506
00:13:14,711 --> 00:13:16,713
Turkey to Greece,
507
00:13:14,711 --> 00:13:16,713
problem?
508
00:13:16,755 --> 00:13:17,672
Getting to Turkey
509
00:13:17,714 --> 00:13:19,840
-is now a problem.
510
00:13:17,714 --> 00:13:19,840
-Right.
511
00:13:19,882 --> 00:13:21,635
But at that time,
512
00:13:19,882 --> 00:13:21,635
it was not a problem.
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00:13:21,676 --> 00:13:24,429
Next went from
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00:13:21,676 --> 00:13:24,429
Greece to Macedonia?
515
00:13:24,471 --> 00:13:26,013
-Is that correct?
516
00:13:24,471 --> 00:13:26,013
-Yes.
517
00:13:26,055 --> 00:13:27,890
Welcome there? No.
518
00:13:29,892 --> 00:13:31,852
Serbia? No.
519
00:13:33,062 --> 00:13:34,522
Were you welcome here?
520
00:13:34,564 --> 00:13:36,857
Yes. Very welcome.
521
00:13:36,899 --> 00:13:38,443
[Bourdain]
522
00:13:36,899 --> 00:13:38,443
So, here we are, Cologne.
523
00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:41,112
One of the most liberal,
524
00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:41,112
if not the most liberal
525
00:13:41,154 --> 00:13:42,489
cities in Germany.
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00:13:42,530 --> 00:13:44,532
A city doing the right thing,
527
00:13:44,574 --> 00:13:45,866
and on New Year's Eve,
528
00:13:45,908 --> 00:13:48,035
the whole attitude
529
00:13:45,908 --> 00:13:48,035
towards refugees
530
00:13:48,077 --> 00:13:51,122
not just European policy
531
00:13:48,077 --> 00:13:51,122
that the whole moral question
532
00:13:51,164 --> 00:13:52,791
was thrown into doubt.
533
00:13:52,831 --> 00:13:54,875
Cologne found itself
534
00:13:52,831 --> 00:13:54,875
the test case,
535
00:13:54,917 --> 00:13:57,253
both example
536
00:13:54,917 --> 00:13:57,253
of tolerance and hope
537
00:13:57,295 --> 00:13:59,297
and worst-case scenario.
538
00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:00,881
Here's what was reported,
539
00:14:00,923 --> 00:14:04,719
on the night
540
00:14:00,923 --> 00:14:04,719
of December 31st, 2015,
541
00:14:04,761 --> 00:14:06,887
witnesses saw crowds
542
00:14:04,761 --> 00:14:06,887
of up to a thousand men
543
00:14:06,929 --> 00:14:09,808
described as predominantly
544
00:14:06,929 --> 00:14:09,808
Arab and North African,
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00:14:09,848 --> 00:14:11,892
near Cologne's
546
00:14:09,848 --> 00:14:11,892
central train station.
547
00:14:11,934 --> 00:14:14,604
Some broke off
548
00:14:11,934 --> 00:14:14,604
into small groups,
549
00:14:14,646 --> 00:14:16,481
assaulting hundreds of women
550
00:14:16,523 --> 00:14:17,898
as they left the train station.
551
00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,694
Police were
552
00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,694
completely unprepared.
553
00:14:20,735 --> 00:14:22,278
The situation continued,
554
00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,906
reportedly, for hours.
555
00:14:25,948 --> 00:14:27,908
Three weeks after the incident,
556
00:14:25,948 --> 00:14:27,908
the official numbers
557
00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:30,620
were as horrifying
558
00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:30,620
as first reported.
559
00:14:30,662 --> 00:14:32,747
Seven hundred sixty-six
560
00:14:30,662 --> 00:14:32,747
criminal complaints,
561
00:14:32,789 --> 00:14:34,708
of which
562
00:14:32,789 --> 00:14:34,708
three hundred eighty-one
563
00:14:34,749 --> 00:14:36,417
are sexual offenses,
564
00:14:36,459 --> 00:14:38,919
including three rapes.
565
00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:41,214
Many across the world,
566
00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:41,214
of course,
567
00:14:41,255 --> 00:14:42,841
saw this as the perfect
568
00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:44,759
"I told you so" moment.
569
00:14:44,801 --> 00:14:47,554
A sadly understandable
570
00:14:44,801 --> 00:14:47,554
reaction.
571
00:14:47,595 --> 00:14:49,138
There is no minimizing
572
00:14:49,180 --> 00:14:52,433
381 sexual offenses
573
00:14:52,475 --> 00:14:54,185
in one night.
574
00:14:55,353 --> 00:14:57,647
[man speaking German]
575
00:14:57,689 --> 00:14:59,607
[Bourdain] How big an effect
576
00:14:57,689 --> 00:14:59,607
is this gonna have
577
00:14:59,649 --> 00:15:00,775
on the situation?
578
00:15:00,817 --> 00:15:03,236
[Hani]
579
00:15:00,817 --> 00:15:03,236
So, all Syrians that I knew
580
00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:05,363
were totally condemning
581
00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:05,363
what happened.
582
00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:08,658
And we absolutely cannot
583
00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:08,658
tolerate something like this,
584
00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:10,159
because it's not
585
00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:10,159
a part of my culture.
586
00:15:10,201 --> 00:15:12,746
-It's not a part of what--
587
00:15:10,201 --> 00:15:12,746
-But do you think it will change
588
00:15:12,787 --> 00:15:14,664
the political climate
589
00:15:12,787 --> 00:15:14,664
is what I'm asking.
590
00:15:14,706 --> 00:15:16,833
Before,
591
00:15:14,706 --> 00:15:16,833
it was relatively easy
592
00:15:16,875 --> 00:15:18,626
for a German politician
593
00:15:16,875 --> 00:15:18,626
to say,
594
00:15:18,668 --> 00:15:20,545
"Look, have a heart, here.
595
00:15:20,587 --> 00:15:22,839
Let's do the right
596
00:15:20,587 --> 00:15:22,839
and moral thing."
597
00:15:22,881 --> 00:15:25,216
And it is being used
598
00:15:22,881 --> 00:15:25,216
as a club
599
00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:28,553
to beat any politician
600
00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:28,553
or leader
601
00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:32,390
who would like to have
602
00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:32,390
a more consolatory
603
00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:33,892
or more welcoming
604
00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:33,892
attitude
605
00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,561
towards people
606
00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,561
who clearly need help.
607
00:15:36,603 --> 00:15:37,978
Refugees are human beings,
608
00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:39,439
and some of them
609
00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:39,439
are good,
610
00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,815
and some of them is--
611
00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,815
are bad.
612
00:15:40,857 --> 00:15:42,983
There is 500 refugees
613
00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:44,985
who did this,
614
00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:44,985
and they're pretty bad.
615
00:15:45,027 --> 00:15:46,905
It's the fault
616
00:15:45,027 --> 00:15:46,905
of those who did it.
617
00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:49,616
But it's not the fault
618
00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:49,616
of the refugees.
619
00:15:49,657 --> 00:15:51,576
It's not the fault
620
00:15:49,657 --> 00:15:51,576
of the Germans.
621
00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:52,993
The infrastructure exists,
622
00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:55,288
-more or less...
623
00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:55,288
-[man] It's exists.
624
00:15:55,329 --> 00:15:57,916
...to handle this
625
00:15:55,329 --> 00:15:57,916
enormous influx.
626
00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:00,668
An integration
627
00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:00,668
of 200,000, 300,000
628
00:16:00,710 --> 00:16:02,002
would be easier
629
00:16:00,710 --> 00:16:02,002
than integration
630
00:16:02,044 --> 00:16:05,005
of 1 .1 million
631
00:16:02,044 --> 00:16:05,005
that entered in 2015.
632
00:16:05,047 --> 00:16:07,174
This is a challenge,
633
00:16:05,047 --> 00:16:07,174
not only for the Germans,
634
00:16:07,216 --> 00:16:08,927
but also for those who came
635
00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:11,471
to integrate
636
00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:11,471
in the community.
637
00:16:11,512 --> 00:16:13,473
It's something
638
00:16:11,512 --> 00:16:13,473
that have to be work--
639
00:16:13,514 --> 00:16:15,182
worked on from both sides.
640
00:16:15,224 --> 00:16:18,478
Not only the Syrians,
641
00:16:15,224 --> 00:16:18,478
but also the Germans.
642
00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:20,020
The Germans
643
00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:20,020
are willing to,
644
00:16:20,062 --> 00:16:22,064
because they're pretty
645
00:16:20,062 --> 00:16:22,064
well-organized.
646
00:16:22,106 --> 00:16:25,568
♪ ♪
647
00:16:36,704 --> 00:16:40,667
[woman] ♪ I live ♪
648
00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:46,046
♪ In a parallel universe ♪
649
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,509
[Bourdain] Germany and Cologne
650
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,509
had reason to believe
651
00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:50,635
they could pull this off,
652
00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:52,052
absorb all those refugees
653
00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:54,054
from a culture
654
00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:54,054
very different than their own.
655
00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:56,056
Here in Cologne,
656
00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:56,056
the Turkish presence
657
00:16:56,098 --> 00:16:59,059
is larger than any other
658
00:16:56,098 --> 00:16:59,059
in the country.
659
00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:01,646
[Bourdain] As I understand it,
660
00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:01,646
during the '60s, '70s,
661
00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:03,356
the German industry
662
00:17:03,397 --> 00:17:05,107
essentially recruited,
663
00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:07,276
-in cooperation with
664
00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:07,276
the Turkish government.
665
00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:07,276
-Uh-hmm.
666
00:17:07,318 --> 00:17:09,779
Huge numbers
667
00:17:07,318 --> 00:17:09,779
of Turkish workers.
668
00:17:09,821 --> 00:17:12,699
Was that the beginning
669
00:17:09,821 --> 00:17:12,699
of the sizeable
670
00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:15,869
-Turkish population?
671
00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:15,869
-Yes. It was.
672
00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:18,287
Like, my grandfather
673
00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:18,287
and my grandmother
674
00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:21,081
they came here
675
00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:21,081
in the '70s.
676
00:17:21,123 --> 00:17:23,459
My parents, they started
677
00:17:21,123 --> 00:17:23,459
to work in a company,
678
00:17:23,501 --> 00:17:25,336
like, in a "wool" company.
679
00:17:25,378 --> 00:17:27,171
Everybody has almost
680
00:17:25,378 --> 00:17:27,171
the same story here
681
00:17:27,213 --> 00:17:28,548
in the third generation.
682
00:17:28,589 --> 00:17:30,090
[Bourdain]
683
00:17:28,589 --> 00:17:30,090
Melek Yaprak's grandparents
684
00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:31,926
were among
685
00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:31,926
the first wave of Turks
686
00:17:31,968 --> 00:17:33,970
to arrive in Cologne.
687
00:17:34,012 --> 00:17:35,722
And to a great extent nowadays,
688
00:17:35,763 --> 00:17:37,264
Turkish food is German food.
689
00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:39,893
The way Italian,
690
00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:39,893
Eastern-European Jewish,
691
00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:43,354
and Chinese
692
00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:43,354
have become American food.
693
00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:45,147
Raki to start.
694
00:17:45,189 --> 00:17:47,107
-Prost.
695
00:17:45,189 --> 00:17:47,107
-Prost.
696
00:17:49,777 --> 00:17:52,321
-That brings me back.
697
00:17:49,777 --> 00:17:52,321
-Yeah?
698
00:17:52,363 --> 00:17:53,948
This brings back
699
00:17:52,363 --> 00:17:53,948
Istanbul to us.
700
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:55,366
-Yeah. A lot.
701
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:55,366
-When we go there
702
00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:57,410
we have, always, raki
703
00:17:57,451 --> 00:17:58,786
in the Bosphorus and here,
704
00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:01,372
this is like
705
00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:01,372
Istanbul feeling for us.
706
00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:02,999
Yeah, me, too.
707
00:18:03,041 --> 00:18:05,125
And meze,
708
00:18:03,041 --> 00:18:05,125
spicy mashed vegetables,
709
00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:08,796
tzatziki, hummus,
710
00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:08,796
beet root and olive dip,
711
00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:10,381
fried eggplant,
712
00:18:10,423 --> 00:18:12,050
pastries with feta,
713
00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,134
meatballs with tomato sauce
714
00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,134
and mint.
715
00:18:14,176 --> 00:18:16,012
Whoa, that looks really pretty.
716
00:18:16,054 --> 00:18:17,805
I don't think that
717
00:18:16,054 --> 00:18:17,805
you have any problems
718
00:18:17,847 --> 00:18:19,139
with spice, yeah?
719
00:18:19,181 --> 00:18:20,767
No, no, no.
720
00:18:19,181 --> 00:18:20,767
I like very much.
721
00:18:20,808 --> 00:18:22,936
Since you were born here,
722
00:18:22,977 --> 00:18:25,646
how Turkish do you feel,
723
00:18:25,688 --> 00:18:26,814
and how German do you feel,
724
00:18:26,856 --> 00:18:29,149
and when does that
725
00:18:26,856 --> 00:18:29,149
equation change?
726
00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:31,151
Are there times that you feel,
727
00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:31,151
"I'm not part of this."
728
00:18:31,193 --> 00:18:34,530
Or other times you feel, "Oh,
729
00:18:31,193 --> 00:18:34,530
I'm definitely part of this."
730
00:18:34,572 --> 00:18:36,323
That's a question
731
00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:38,158
I'm thinking about
732
00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:38,158
all my life.
733
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,745
In my heart,
734
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,745
I'm--I'm Turkish.
735
00:18:40,787 --> 00:18:41,996
In my head, I'm German.
736
00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:43,163
I'm glad that my parents
737
00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:45,792
wanted to have
738
00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:45,792
a good education for me.
739
00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:47,627
But still, at home,
740
00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:47,627
they were Turkish.
741
00:18:47,668 --> 00:18:49,169
Like, Turkish traditions...
742
00:18:49,211 --> 00:18:50,546
-Right.
743
00:18:49,211 --> 00:18:50,546
-And Turkish thinking.
744
00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,840
So, I was always
745
00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,840
on both sides.
746
00:18:52,882 --> 00:18:54,174
And now,
747
00:18:52,882 --> 00:18:54,174
I'm adult enough
748
00:18:54,216 --> 00:18:58,178
to pick the best ones
749
00:18:54,216 --> 00:18:58,178
from both sides.
750
00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:02,016
Growing up here as the child
751
00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:02,016
of Turkish immigrants,
752
00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:04,102
how did you feel at school,
753
00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:04,102
you felt German?
754
00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,185
Yeah. Yeah.
755
00:19:05,227 --> 00:19:08,230
So, why do you think
756
00:19:05,227 --> 00:19:08,230
Germany's good at that?
757
00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,190
The Germans are very
758
00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,190
correct people.
759
00:19:10,232 --> 00:19:13,193
They want to have
760
00:19:10,232 --> 00:19:13,193
everything on the point.
761
00:19:13,235 --> 00:19:14,487
They don't like surprises,
762
00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:16,656
so they organize
763
00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:16,656
everything before.
764
00:19:16,697 --> 00:19:18,491
It's almost a cliche
765
00:19:16,697 --> 00:19:18,491
that it's organized.
766
00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:21,828
It's not a cliche.
767
00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:21,828
It's organized.
768
00:19:23,245 --> 00:19:24,497
[Bourdain]
769
00:19:23,245 --> 00:19:24,497
Grilled, minced lamb
770
00:19:24,538 --> 00:19:26,040
basted with hot tomato sauce
771
00:19:26,082 --> 00:19:29,836
and slathered with melted
772
00:19:26,082 --> 00:19:29,836
sheep butter and yogurt.
773
00:19:31,253 --> 00:19:33,213
Roast lamb with feta, bulgur,
774
00:19:33,255 --> 00:19:34,590
and roasted vegetables.
775
00:19:34,632 --> 00:19:37,718
-Ah, that's beautiful.
776
00:19:34,632 --> 00:19:37,718
-[Melek] Danke schoen.
777
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,262
So, if you graduate
778
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,262
from university here,
779
00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:41,514
and choose to live
780
00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:41,514
in Cologne,
781
00:19:41,555 --> 00:19:42,932
could you afford
782
00:19:41,555 --> 00:19:42,932
to live here?
783
00:19:42,974 --> 00:19:45,018
-Yeah, you can.
784
00:19:42,974 --> 00:19:45,018
-So, it's reasonably affordable?
785
00:19:45,059 --> 00:19:47,728
Yeah, but because of
786
00:19:45,059 --> 00:19:47,728
the refugee situation,
787
00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:49,229
I think living space
788
00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:51,440
is becoming less,
789
00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:51,440
like, everywhere.
790
00:19:51,482 --> 00:19:52,900
Do you think
791
00:19:51,482 --> 00:19:52,900
this is a pretty town?
792
00:19:52,942 --> 00:19:54,234
Every--most of the people
793
00:19:52,942 --> 00:19:54,234
I speak will say,
794
00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:56,445
"Well, you know,
795
00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:56,445
we're a very ugly city."
796
00:19:56,487 --> 00:19:58,739
-Yeah.
797
00:19:56,487 --> 00:19:58,739
-But I don't think so.
798
00:19:58,781 --> 00:20:00,240
I think it's very pretty.
799
00:20:00,282 --> 00:20:02,076
Everything was destroyed
800
00:20:00,282 --> 00:20:02,076
after the Second World War.
801
00:20:02,118 --> 00:20:04,078
Yeah, but it's not the most
802
00:20:02,118 --> 00:20:04,078
beautiful city in the world,
803
00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,664
but it is not an ugly city,
804
00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,664
I mean, at all.
805
00:20:06,706 --> 00:20:08,916
Hmm, I think
806
00:20:08,958 --> 00:20:10,459
I'm more
807
00:20:08,958 --> 00:20:10,459
with the ugly city.
808
00:20:10,501 --> 00:20:13,754
-You think it's ugly?
809
00:20:10,501 --> 00:20:13,754
-The buildings are new, ugly,
810
00:20:13,796 --> 00:20:16,423
gray, like, made up
811
00:20:13,796 --> 00:20:16,423
after the Second World War.
812
00:20:16,465 --> 00:20:19,259
-There's only a small old town.
813
00:20:16,465 --> 00:20:19,259
-Right.
814
00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:21,637
I miss old buildings,
815
00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:21,637
like in Munich.
816
00:20:21,679 --> 00:20:23,681
So, 20 years from now,
817
00:20:21,679 --> 00:20:23,681
will Cologne be the same?
818
00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:25,975
I don't know.
819
00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:25,975
I don't want to think about it
820
00:20:26,017 --> 00:20:27,894
because now, it's fine.
821
00:20:27,935 --> 00:20:29,729
I love it as it is now.
822
00:20:29,770 --> 00:20:30,771
I don't hear that a lot.
823
00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:33,273
You go to
824
00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:33,273
San Francisco, Rio,
825
00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:36,194
-there are pressing problems
826
00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:36,194
-h-hmm?
827
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:39,197
Or that the character
828
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:39,197
of the city is changing.
829
00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,365
The character of the city does
830
00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,365
not seem to be changing here.
831
00:20:41,407 --> 00:20:44,035
No. It stays as it is.
832
00:20:46,328 --> 00:20:48,330
♪ ♪
833
00:20:48,372 --> 00:20:49,957
[Bourdain] If there's
834
00:20:48,372 --> 00:20:49,957
one musical movement
835
00:20:49,999 --> 00:20:52,292
or one band that
836
00:20:49,999 --> 00:20:52,292
represents Cologne
837
00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:53,293
better than this one,
838
00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:54,962
I don't know what it could be.
839
00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:58,298
Created in 1968
840
00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:58,298
with Holger Czukay,
841
00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:00,718
Jaki Liebezeit,
842
00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:00,718
Michael Karoli,
843
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,344
and this man,
844
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,344
Irmin Schmidt,
845
00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:05,098
Can was at the forefront
846
00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:05,098
of what was called,
847
00:21:05,139 --> 00:21:07,225
inevitably,
848
00:21:05,139 --> 00:21:07,225
the Krautrock movement.
849
00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,102
Combining the sounds
850
00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,102
and attitudes
851
00:21:09,143 --> 00:21:11,311
of classical, avant-garde,
852
00:21:11,353 --> 00:21:13,272
rock, and funk.
853
00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:16,234
[Bourdain]
854
00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:16,234
So, you moved here--
855
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,986
-how old were you when you came?
856
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,986
-I moved here in '64.
857
00:21:19,028 --> 00:21:20,780
Interesting time, '64.
858
00:21:20,821 --> 00:21:22,990
It was a very
859
00:21:20,821 --> 00:21:22,990
interesting time.
860
00:21:23,032 --> 00:21:24,533
It was the time of
861
00:21:24,575 --> 00:21:27,161
where Cologne
862
00:21:24,575 --> 00:21:27,161
was really blossoming.
863
00:21:27,203 --> 00:21:31,331
It was the art town
864
00:21:27,203 --> 00:21:31,331
in Germany.
865
00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:34,168
[Bourdain] Irmin studied
866
00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:34,168
with Karlheinz Stockhausen.
867
00:21:34,210 --> 00:21:36,129
But it was a trip
868
00:21:34,210 --> 00:21:36,129
to New York City
869
00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:38,005
where he was exposed
870
00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:38,005
to what Lou Reed
871
00:21:38,047 --> 00:21:40,800
and the similarly
872
00:21:38,047 --> 00:21:40,800
classically-trained John Cale
873
00:21:40,841 --> 00:21:42,593
were doing with
874
00:21:40,841 --> 00:21:42,593
the Velvet Underground
875
00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:45,345
that would prove to be
876
00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:45,345
the catalyst for Can.
877
00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:47,974
'64 was still
878
00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:47,974
pretty early days
879
00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:50,601
for cultural ferment,
880
00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:50,601
I guess, we--
881
00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,228
-But not here.
882
00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,228
-Not here.
883
00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:54,605
-Not here.
884
00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:54,605
-So, the question is, why here?
885
00:21:54,647 --> 00:21:55,982
What was it
886
00:21:54,647 --> 00:21:55,982
about Cologne?
887
00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:59,443
Well, I think
888
00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:59,443
it's this generation
889
00:21:59,485 --> 00:22:01,612
which were like me.
890
00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:04,615
We grew up in this after--
891
00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:06,575
terrible destruction,
892
00:22:06,617 --> 00:22:08,368
And that was the generation
893
00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:11,289
which started to create
894
00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:11,289
something new.
895
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:14,292
There was this bubbling
896
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:14,292
from everywhere.
897
00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:19,630
[Bourdain] We're having dinner
898
00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:19,630
at Ox & Klee,
899
00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:21,882
part of the new Cologne
900
00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:21,882
dining scene
901
00:22:21,924 --> 00:22:23,217
where Chef Daniel Gottschlich
902
00:22:23,259 --> 00:22:27,387
plans to kill us
903
00:22:23,259 --> 00:22:27,387
with deliciousness.
904
00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:29,389
Grilled scallop
905
00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:29,389
with black salsify.
906
00:22:29,431 --> 00:22:33,393
A consommé of burned hay,
907
00:22:29,431 --> 00:22:33,393
lemon gelee,
908
00:22:33,435 --> 00:22:34,895
and walnut oil.
909
00:22:34,937 --> 00:22:37,439
[Bourdain]
910
00:22:34,937 --> 00:22:37,439
When you began Can,
911
00:22:37,481 --> 00:22:39,859
what was the initial reception?
912
00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:41,401
[Irmin] In the beginning,
913
00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:41,401
they said that
914
00:22:41,443 --> 00:22:43,570
we are not able
915
00:22:41,443 --> 00:22:43,570
to play music.
916
00:22:43,612 --> 00:22:44,905
We were dilettantes.
917
00:22:44,947 --> 00:22:46,406
[Bourdain] But, I mean,
918
00:22:44,947 --> 00:22:46,406
you were all technically
919
00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:48,826
proficient,
920
00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:48,826
accomplished musicians.
921
00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:50,203
We were all,
922
00:22:50,244 --> 00:22:53,247
except the guitar player,
923
00:22:50,244 --> 00:22:53,247
who was the youngest,
924
00:22:53,289 --> 00:22:56,416
but Holger, Jaki, and me
925
00:22:53,289 --> 00:22:56,416
had a musical career
926
00:22:56,458 --> 00:22:59,712
-already behind us of 10 years.
927
00:22:56,458 --> 00:22:59,712
-Right.
928
00:22:59,753 --> 00:23:02,923
For us, it was important
929
00:22:59,753 --> 00:23:02,923
to create something
930
00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:04,675
by, more or less,
931
00:23:04,717 --> 00:23:08,262
listening to the other
932
00:23:04,717 --> 00:23:08,262
and intuitively
933
00:23:08,304 --> 00:23:12,432
trying to create something
934
00:23:08,304 --> 00:23:12,432
spontaneously.
935
00:23:12,474 --> 00:23:14,434
We didn't even plan
936
00:23:12,474 --> 00:23:14,434
to become a rock group.
937
00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:16,603
Was there a precise moment
938
00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:16,603
at which you crossed the line?
939
00:23:16,645 --> 00:23:18,438
In which you all looked
940
00:23:16,645 --> 00:23:18,438
at each other said,
941
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,481
"Wow, I guess,
942
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,481
we're sort of--
943
00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:20,858
I guess,
944
00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:20,858
we're a rock group now."
945
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:25,279
I'm not sure we ever said
946
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:25,279
we are a rock group.
947
00:23:25,321 --> 00:23:27,656
[Bourdain] Grilled lobster
948
00:23:25,321 --> 00:23:27,656
with a dashi of eel,
949
00:23:27,698 --> 00:23:30,910
marinated algae,
950
00:23:27,698 --> 00:23:30,910
fermented kale,
951
00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:32,953
and yuzu froth.
952
00:23:34,163 --> 00:23:36,957
If people were to draw
953
00:23:34,163 --> 00:23:36,957
a direct line forward
954
00:23:36,999 --> 00:23:38,376
to bands and musicians
955
00:23:38,416 --> 00:23:41,128
who were influenced
956
00:23:38,416 --> 00:23:41,128
by your music, for instance,
957
00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:43,047
you know,
958
00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:43,047
people mention the Bowie,
959
00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:45,132
Iggy Pop Berlin period
960
00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:47,301
and a lot of other
961
00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:47,301
great work.
962
00:23:48,344 --> 00:23:49,469
What about EDM?
963
00:23:49,511 --> 00:23:50,637
Do you--
964
00:23:49,511 --> 00:23:50,637
do you share the blame?
965
00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:53,057
-No.
966
00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:53,057
-Is it good or bad?
967
00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:55,059
-It's good.
968
00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:55,059
-It's a positive thing?
969
00:23:55,101 --> 00:23:56,643
-It's positive.
970
00:23:55,101 --> 00:23:56,643
-Electronic dance music.
971
00:23:56,685 --> 00:23:57,728
Yes, sure.
972
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,730
I mean, you can't
973
00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:01,982
any way
974
00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:01,982
classify any style
975
00:24:02,024 --> 00:24:04,484
or any kind of music
976
00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:05,861
as good or bad.
977
00:24:05,903 --> 00:24:07,487
But it excludes
978
00:24:05,903 --> 00:24:07,487
the musicians.
979
00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:09,489
Traditionally,
980
00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:09,489
is it the opposite
981
00:24:09,531 --> 00:24:10,866
of what music should be?
982
00:24:10,908 --> 00:24:12,285
Is it all okay?
983
00:24:12,326 --> 00:24:15,453
I have no idea
984
00:24:16,538 --> 00:24:18,498
what music should be.
985
00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:20,793
Because whenever you start
986
00:24:20,834 --> 00:24:22,502
knowing what should be,
987
00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:26,757
you are already
988
00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:26,757
starting a new dogma off.
989
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,508
Uh-hmm.
990
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,508
Yeah, I hear you.
991
00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:31,220
There are DJs
992
00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:31,220
which make fantastic music,
993
00:24:31,262 --> 00:24:34,556
and they make it
994
00:24:31,262 --> 00:24:34,556
for a certain purpose.
995
00:24:34,598 --> 00:24:35,891
And there is the purpose
996
00:24:35,933 --> 00:24:38,685
of this environment,
997
00:24:35,933 --> 00:24:38,685
and they fit.
998
00:24:38,727 --> 00:24:43,023
Neither the purpose nor
999
00:24:38,727 --> 00:24:43,023
any dogma can be used
1000
00:24:43,065 --> 00:24:46,944
as a judgment
1001
00:24:43,065 --> 00:24:46,944
for your music.
1002
00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:49,238
[Bourdain]
1003
00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:49,238
Braised ox cheeks with marrow.
1004
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,614
Beet roots with mustard.
1005
00:24:50,656 --> 00:24:52,532
Gratin potatoes.
1006
00:24:52,574 --> 00:24:54,243
Black truffle.
1007
00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:57,455
You don't get paid
1008
00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:57,455
for the influence
1009
00:24:57,495 --> 00:24:58,164
you have on the culture.
1010
00:24:58,205 --> 00:24:59,539
-[Irmin] No.
1011
00:24:58,205 --> 00:24:59,539
-No.
1012
00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:02,001
I wouldn't complain
1013
00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:02,001
about that.
1014
00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:04,044
I mean,
1015
00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:04,044
we never consciously
1016
00:25:04,086 --> 00:25:07,547
did something intending
1017
00:25:04,086 --> 00:25:07,547
to make money with.
1018
00:25:07,589 --> 00:25:09,633
We still have fans
1019
00:25:09,675 --> 00:25:12,552
which are 16 years old
1020
00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:15,055
and think this is a music
1021
00:25:15,097 --> 00:25:17,557
-created yesterday.
1022
00:25:15,097 --> 00:25:17,557
-Uh-hmm.
1023
00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:19,268
And it's 45 years old.
1024
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:21,479
-Does that feel good?
1025
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:21,479
-That's very--
1026
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:23,981
That's satisfying, too.
1027
00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:35,575
[Bourdain]
1028
00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:35,575
An amazing meal, but, you know,
1029
00:25:35,617 --> 00:25:38,454
the heart wants
1030
00:25:35,617 --> 00:25:38,454
what the heart wants.
1031
00:25:38,496 --> 00:25:42,624
And baby, I'll always
1032
00:25:38,496 --> 00:25:42,624
come back to you.
1033
00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:44,584
And if history
1034
00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:44,584
teaches us anything,
1035
00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:46,795
it's that chefs no matter
1036
00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:46,795
how elevated their food,
1037
00:25:46,837 --> 00:25:48,422
how fine their restaurants,
1038
00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:51,217
chefs, at the end
1039
00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:51,217
of a long night,
1040
00:25:51,258 --> 00:25:52,218
want this.
1041
00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:54,470
Grilled bratwurst with curry.
1042
00:25:54,512 --> 00:25:57,597
Daniel and his friend Demetri
1043
00:25:54,512 --> 00:25:57,597
come here, De Fressbud,
1044
00:25:57,639 --> 00:26:00,267
for the bratwurst
1045
00:25:57,639 --> 00:26:00,267
and spie braten,
1046
00:26:00,309 --> 00:26:02,061
which is just what
1047
00:26:00,309 --> 00:26:02,061
you need at this hour.
1048
00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:05,689
Marinated, rotisseried
1049
00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:05,689
shoulder of pork.
1050
00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:06,815
-[speaking German] Mayo?
1051
00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:06,815
-Yeah.
1052
00:26:06,857 --> 00:26:08,608
Mayo. Mayo.
1053
00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:11,987
[Bourdain] Oh, yeah.
1054
00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:11,987
Oh, I feel so ashamed.
1055
00:26:12,029 --> 00:26:13,447
Drunk or sober,
1056
00:26:13,489 --> 00:26:14,656
good is good,
1057
00:26:14,698 --> 00:26:15,866
and I want this.
1058
00:26:15,908 --> 00:26:16,909
You want this.
1059
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:19,036
We all want this, right?
1060
00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:20,496
Where do currywurst
1061
00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:20,496
come from?
1062
00:26:20,538 --> 00:26:21,997
I mean, this is
1063
00:26:20,538 --> 00:26:21,997
a truly fiendish idea.
1064
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,083
It sounds like
1065
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,083
a really bad idea.
1066
00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:25,501
-Nobody knows, really.
1067
00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:25,501
-Nobody knows.
1068
00:26:25,543 --> 00:26:28,045
-It just appeared one day.
1069
00:26:25,543 --> 00:26:28,045
-Uh-hmm.
1070
00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:30,089
Ordinarily, I'm totally
1071
00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:30,089
against mayonnaise on fries.
1072
00:26:30,130 --> 00:26:32,091
Yeah, they don't even
1073
00:26:30,130 --> 00:26:32,091
ask you sometimes.
1074
00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:34,134
-[Bourdain] Really?
1075
00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:34,134
-Yeah, they
1076
00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:34,134
just put it on there.
1077
00:26:34,176 --> 00:26:37,304
And they put, like,
1078
00:26:34,176 --> 00:26:37,304
50¢ for the mayonnaise.
1079
00:26:37,346 --> 00:26:38,638
Yeah.
1080
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,474
Man, that's good.
1081
00:26:40,516 --> 00:26:43,769
♪ ♪
1082
00:26:47,398 --> 00:26:50,067
[Bourdain]
1083
00:26:47,398 --> 00:26:50,067
The legend is, Cologne is very
1084
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:51,944
accepting of new cultures,
1085
00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:55,655
accepting of new,
1086
00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:55,655
obviously, cuisine.
1087
00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:57,491
-Why?
1088
00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:57,491
-That's a good question.
1089
00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,659
I guess, we have a lot
1090
00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,659
of gay people here.
1091
00:26:59,701 --> 00:27:00,660
-Uh-hmm.
1092
00:26:59,701 --> 00:27:00,660
-People say it's like
1093
00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:02,329
the San Francisco
1094
00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:02,329
of Germany.
1095
00:27:02,371 --> 00:27:03,914
[Bourdain]
1096
00:27:02,371 --> 00:27:03,914
It's a very Catholic town.
1097
00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:06,750
Catholics are not notoriously,
1098
00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:06,750
you know, pro--
1099
00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:08,668
-you know, gay friendly.
1100
00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:08,668
-Yeah.
1101
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:09,711
What happened here?
1102
00:27:09,753 --> 00:27:11,297
I'd say that's
1103
00:27:09,753 --> 00:27:11,297
a very good question.
1104
00:27:11,338 --> 00:27:12,923
Yeah, I don't know
1105
00:27:11,338 --> 00:27:12,923
the answer.
1106
00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:14,967
It's sort of a nightmare
1107
00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:14,967
scenario for a conservative.
1108
00:27:15,008 --> 00:27:17,470
You're saying
1109
00:27:15,008 --> 00:27:17,470
it's basically
1110
00:27:17,511 --> 00:27:19,305
immigrants, homosexuals,
1111
00:27:17,511 --> 00:27:19,305
and artists
1112
00:27:19,346 --> 00:27:21,557
have made the town
1113
00:27:19,346 --> 00:27:21,557
what it is.
1114
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:22,724
Can I find work here?
1115
00:27:22,766 --> 00:27:24,684
[Daniel] As a chef, yes.
1116
00:27:22,766 --> 00:27:24,684
As a good chef, yes.
1117
00:27:24,726 --> 00:27:25,978
[Bourdain]
1118
00:27:24,726 --> 00:27:25,978
What if I were a mime?
1119
00:27:26,019 --> 00:27:27,687
There's actually
1120
00:27:26,019 --> 00:27:27,687
a lot of them here.
1121
00:27:27,729 --> 00:27:28,688
Prostitute. Work here?
1122
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:29,982
Yeah, a lot of them.
1123
00:27:30,023 --> 00:27:31,942
There's, like, the biggest
1124
00:27:30,023 --> 00:27:31,942
brothel in Europe.
1125
00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:34,111
You know, that doesn't sound
1126
00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:34,111
like a good thing.
1127
00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:36,696
Smallest and most discrete might
1128
00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:36,696
sound--like, sounds better.
1129
00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:38,324
You know, biggest?
1130
00:27:38,365 --> 00:27:39,908
[Demetri] Yeah, well, it's also
1131
00:27:38,365 --> 00:27:39,908
famous for its parties.
1132
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:41,701
So, you can probably
1133
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:41,701
undercover go to a brothel.
1134
00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:43,703
You say, like, "Oh, yeah,
1135
00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:43,703
just--I'm just partying."
1136
00:27:43,745 --> 00:27:44,913
Why, of all the places
1137
00:27:43,745 --> 00:27:44,913
in Europe,
1138
00:27:44,955 --> 00:27:46,873
would the largest brothel
1139
00:27:44,955 --> 00:27:46,873
be in here?
1140
00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:48,375
Basically, every month
1141
00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:48,375
there's, like,
1142
00:27:48,417 --> 00:27:49,751
a big convention here,
1143
00:27:48,417 --> 00:27:49,751
so, I guess,
1144
00:27:49,793 --> 00:27:51,711
if you're looking
1145
00:27:49,793 --> 00:27:51,711
for a company,
1146
00:27:51,753 --> 00:27:54,548
-maybe that's why.
1147
00:27:51,753 --> 00:27:54,548
-It's a city of contrasts.
1148
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:56,883
I mean, on one hand,
1149
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:56,883
it's very--it's very Catholic,
1150
00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:58,511
you would think
1151
00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:58,511
conservative.
1152
00:27:58,552 --> 00:28:01,514
If you look at the menus
1153
00:27:58,552 --> 00:28:01,514
of a lot of the places here,
1154
00:28:01,555 --> 00:28:02,722
very traditional,
1155
00:28:02,764 --> 00:28:05,100
so pretty much the same menu
1156
00:28:02,764 --> 00:28:05,100
in a lot of the places.
1157
00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:06,810
And yet, then,
1158
00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:06,810
there's your place.
1159
00:28:06,852 --> 00:28:08,437
They're all doing well.
1160
00:28:08,479 --> 00:28:10,523
It's very confusing.
1161
00:28:08,479 --> 00:28:10,523
I need more beer.
1162
00:28:10,564 --> 00:28:11,773
-Yeah.
1163
00:28:10,564 --> 00:28:11,773
-Three more.
1164
00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:13,192
-Three more?
1165
00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:13,192
-Oh, yeah. Please.
1166
00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:14,901
-[man] Not one? Three?
1167
00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:14,901
-Yes.
1168
00:28:14,943 --> 00:28:17,737
-[man] No problem.
1169
00:28:14,943 --> 00:28:17,737
-[Bourdain]
1170
00:28:14,943 --> 00:28:17,737
That's what I like to hear.
1171
00:28:17,779 --> 00:28:18,989
-Cheers.
1172
00:28:17,779 --> 00:28:18,989
-Cheers.
1173
00:28:19,031 --> 00:28:20,616
Cheers, guys.
1174
00:28:52,981 --> 00:28:55,775
♪ ♪
1175
00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:57,570
[Bourdain] Cologne.
1176
00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:57,570
You got to love it.
1177
00:28:57,611 --> 00:28:59,863
They support artwork
1178
00:28:57,611 --> 00:28:59,863
that might get you
1179
00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:02,616
punched in the face
1180
00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:02,616
elsewhere.
1181
00:29:06,203 --> 00:29:08,788
Performance artist, painter,
1182
00:29:06,203 --> 00:29:08,788
and cooking enthusiast,
1183
00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:12,792
Rene Stessl
1184
00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:12,792
works and lives here.
1185
00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:13,835
His current project is called
1186
00:29:13,877 --> 00:29:15,254
"The Restaurant of the Egoist,"
1187
00:29:15,295 --> 00:29:17,715
where you dine alone
1188
00:29:15,295 --> 00:29:17,715
with a full-length mirror
1189
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:19,049
across from you at the table.
1190
00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:20,800
Which is weird, right?
1191
00:29:20,842 --> 00:29:22,302
Oh, wait, let me get a selfie.
1192
00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:23,803
Did I Instagram my food yet?
1193
00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:27,349
♪ ♪
1194
00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:40,820
"The Restaurant of the Egoist,"
1195
00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:40,820
it's a question.
1196
00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:43,699
If egoism it's a bad thing.
1197
00:29:43,741 --> 00:29:45,117
Or it's also a good thing.
1198
00:29:45,158 --> 00:29:48,621
I found out--or it's fact
1199
00:29:45,158 --> 00:29:48,621
that it's also a good thing.
1200
00:29:48,662 --> 00:29:49,871
Because simple example,
1201
00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:53,417
if you help a guy sitting
1202
00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:53,417
on the street, needs money.
1203
00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:55,835
You give him the money.
1204
00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:55,835
You helped him, of course.
1205
00:29:55,877 --> 00:29:57,630
But you help yourself
1206
00:29:55,877 --> 00:29:57,630
feeling happy,
1207
00:29:57,671 --> 00:29:59,881
feeling lucky
1208
00:29:57,671 --> 00:29:59,881
because you helped another.
1209
00:29:59,923 --> 00:30:02,551
It's a kind of energy,
1210
00:29:59,923 --> 00:30:02,551
a kind of engine
1211
00:30:02,593 --> 00:30:04,844
who makes people
1212
00:30:02,593 --> 00:30:04,844
helping other people.
1213
00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,930
[Bourdain] Kleine Glocke
1214
00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,930
has been a hangout
1215
00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:08,348
for Cologne's artist community
1216
00:30:08,390 --> 00:30:09,849
since the First World War,
1217
00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:12,645
which seems like
1218
00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:12,645
a bad business model.
1219
00:30:12,686 --> 00:30:13,729
But it seems to work.
1220
00:30:13,771 --> 00:30:15,314
They like artists in Cologne.
1221
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:17,857
[Rene] You can feel free
1222
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:17,857
with the way--how you think,
1223
00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:19,234
and it's all about
1224
00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:19,234
the Colognians.
1225
00:30:19,276 --> 00:30:20,653
I don't know why
1226
00:30:19,276 --> 00:30:20,653
the Colognians
1227
00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:22,529
-are like the Colognians--
1228
00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:22,529
-Right.
1229
00:30:22,571 --> 00:30:25,783
But they are the most tolerant
1230
00:30:22,571 --> 00:30:25,783
and open people I met.
1231
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:27,117
And that makes it easy
1232
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:27,117
for artists,
1233
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:28,744
because you can go
1234
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:28,744
onto the streets
1235
00:30:28,786 --> 00:30:32,122
and really make experiments
1236
00:30:28,786 --> 00:30:32,122
on the street with your art,
1237
00:30:32,164 --> 00:30:34,082
and nobody sends you
1238
00:30:32,164 --> 00:30:34,082
the police.
1239
00:30:34,124 --> 00:30:36,876
-Are chefs artists?
1240
00:30:34,124 --> 00:30:36,876
-No.
1241
00:30:36,918 --> 00:30:38,671
-Thank you.
1242
00:30:36,918 --> 00:30:38,671
-I say, "no."
1243
00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:40,880
There is a connection
1244
00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:40,880
between painting a picture
1245
00:30:40,922 --> 00:30:42,257
and doing a sauce.
1246
00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:44,468
Because you have
1247
00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:44,468
to find a balance,
1248
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:46,094
and this is the only
1249
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:46,094
one connection.
1250
00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:47,596
I happen to agree with you.
1251
00:30:47,638 --> 00:30:49,765
As much as we might like
1252
00:30:47,638 --> 00:30:49,765
to think of them as artists,
1253
00:30:49,807 --> 00:30:52,768
I think that chefs are
1254
00:30:49,807 --> 00:30:52,768
proud craftsman or artisans.
1255
00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:56,605
I think there's one chef
1256
00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:56,605
who I would argue is an artist.
1257
00:30:56,647 --> 00:30:59,899
I would hold up Ferran Adrià
1258
00:30:56,647 --> 00:30:59,899
as an example of an artist.
1259
00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:02,110
I say "No," he don't believes
1260
00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:02,110
he's an artist.
1261
00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:03,903
No, he says, "I'm a cook."
1262
00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:05,823
Yeah, but I think he's wrong.
1263
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:08,575
[laughter]
1264
00:31:08,617 --> 00:31:10,494
[Bourdain]
1265
00:31:08,617 --> 00:31:10,494
Rheinischer sauerbraten.
1266
00:31:10,536 --> 00:31:13,330
Traditional sauerbraten.
1267
00:31:10,536 --> 00:31:13,330
Good sauerbraten.
1268
00:31:13,372 --> 00:31:15,915
But Morrissey is going
1269
00:31:13,372 --> 00:31:15,915
to brown out his shorts,
1270
00:31:15,957 --> 00:31:18,544
he sees you eating this,
1271
00:31:15,957 --> 00:31:18,544
'cause it is,
1272
00:31:18,585 --> 00:31:19,919
how shall I say,
1273
00:31:19,961 --> 00:31:22,005
equine in origin.
1274
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,923
Old Bessie didn't quite make it
1275
00:31:23,965 --> 00:31:25,091
to the soap factory.
1276
00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:26,009
You like horse meat?
1277
00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:27,553
Yeah, I do like it, actually.
1278
00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:29,929
This is one of the few places
1279
00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:29,929
that still does it.
1280
00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:31,181
-Yeah.
1281
00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:31,181
-The arbitrary decisions
1282
00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:32,932
we make about what animals
1283
00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:32,932
we're gonna eat.
1284
00:31:32,974 --> 00:31:34,351
Even I do, you know.
1285
00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:36,854
15 years, I've been eating
1286
00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:36,854
all over the world.
1287
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:38,564
-Yeah.
1288
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:38,564
-I've never eaten dog.
1289
00:31:38,605 --> 00:31:40,649
If you are cute,
1290
00:31:38,605 --> 00:31:40,649
as an animal, you are lucky.
1291
00:31:40,691 --> 00:31:42,942
I think it's the eyes.
1292
00:31:40,691 --> 00:31:42,942
Big eyes. It's not food.
1293
00:31:42,984 --> 00:31:44,653
[Bourdain] Too bad
1294
00:31:42,984 --> 00:31:44,653
they're out of panda today.
1295
00:31:44,695 --> 00:31:46,946
That would piss
1296
00:31:44,695 --> 00:31:46,946
some people off.
1297
00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:49,658
I kid, I kid. No panda.
1298
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:51,410
René is hitting
1299
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:51,410
the schnitzel hard,
1300
00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:54,954
and I see he has opted
1301
00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:54,954
for the egg on top.
1302
00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:57,791
So, Cologne,
1303
00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:57,791
proud of its attitude
1304
00:31:57,833 --> 00:32:01,961
towards art, artists,
1305
00:31:57,833 --> 00:32:01,961
different cultures.
1306
00:32:02,003 --> 00:32:03,797
Germany's accepted
1307
00:32:02,003 --> 00:32:03,797
somewhere in the neighborhood
1308
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:05,131
of a million refugees.
1309
00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:08,385
How do you realistically say,
1310
00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:08,385
"Welcome to Germany.
1311
00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:10,053
We're all gonna learn
1312
00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:10,053
to live together."
1313
00:32:10,095 --> 00:32:11,971
-Can that be done?
1314
00:32:10,095 --> 00:32:11,971
-It could be done, of course,
1315
00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:15,434
but I hope that
1316
00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:15,434
all of the right-wing people
1317
00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:16,602
will not develop.
1318
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:19,855
And this is, for example,
1319
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:19,855
a job for an artist.
1320
00:32:19,897 --> 00:32:20,980
Maybe we should go out,
1321
00:32:21,022 --> 00:32:23,275
a hundred people
1322
00:32:21,022 --> 00:32:23,275
with Nazi uniforms,
1323
00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:25,778
-Uh-hmm.
1324
00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:25,778
-and walk through the city.
1325
00:32:25,819 --> 00:32:27,195
Maybe these kind of actions
1326
00:32:27,237 --> 00:32:29,448
will just make the people--
1327
00:32:29,489 --> 00:32:30,407
remind on the time
1328
00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:33,993
and what our grandfathers
1329
00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:33,993
did wrong.
1330
00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:36,496
We really have to take care
1331
00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:36,496
that we don't fall back
1332
00:32:36,538 --> 00:32:37,997
in these structures.
1333
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,709
-But we kind of are.
1334
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,709
-We are on the way--
1335
00:32:40,751 --> 00:32:42,294
-I don't mean here, necessarily.
1336
00:32:40,751 --> 00:32:42,294
-We're well on our way.
1337
00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:44,212
-I'm allowed to be naive.
1338
00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:44,212
-I think I honestly--
1339
00:32:44,254 --> 00:32:46,882
And talk about utopias.
1340
00:32:46,924 --> 00:32:48,007
[laughs]
1341
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:49,718
It's a kind of utopia,
1342
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,094
just the fact that
1343
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,094
the whole world
1344
00:32:51,136 --> 00:32:52,888
will mix up
1345
00:32:51,136 --> 00:32:52,888
with each other.
1346
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:55,390
That in, I don't know,
1347
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:55,390
70, 80 years,
1348
00:32:55,432 --> 00:32:57,267
there will be
1349
00:32:55,432 --> 00:32:57,267
no white people anymore.
1350
00:32:57,309 --> 00:32:59,227
Only cappuccino-colored
1351
00:32:57,309 --> 00:32:59,227
people.
1352
00:32:59,269 --> 00:33:01,020
-Well, but that's the only way.
1353
00:32:59,269 --> 00:33:01,020
-It's good.
1354
00:33:01,062 --> 00:33:02,021
That's--this is the only
1355
00:33:01,062 --> 00:33:02,021
solution.
1356
00:33:02,063 --> 00:33:04,232
-Yeah, mix up.
1357
00:33:02,063 --> 00:33:04,232
-It's our only hope.
1358
00:33:04,274 --> 00:33:06,025
-Is--our way out of this.
1359
00:33:04,274 --> 00:33:06,025
-Yes.
1360
00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,068
It's gonna take some time,
1361
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:08,194
but it's really
1362
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:08,194
the only way.
1363
00:33:08,236 --> 00:33:10,280
This sort of
1364
00:33:08,236 --> 00:33:10,280
Singaporean model
1365
00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:12,282
where everybody's
1366
00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:12,282
so mixed up
1367
00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:14,033
that you really
1368
00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:14,033
don't know who to hate
1369
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:17,412
because everybody's
1370
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:17,412
so hopelessly intertwined.
1371
00:33:17,454 --> 00:33:19,122
But we're a long way
1372
00:33:17,454 --> 00:33:19,122
from that.
1373
00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:23,293
♪ ♪
1374
00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:04,877
[Bourdain] The tortured
1375
00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:04,877
relationship between Cologne
1376
00:34:04,918 --> 00:34:06,670
and its sister city, Dusseldorf
1377
00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:08,171
is a study in differences.
1378
00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:10,924
Most notably,
1379
00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:10,924
the beer is different.
1380
00:34:10,966 --> 00:34:12,384
The attitudes are different.
1381
00:34:12,425 --> 00:34:14,469
It's, if you listen
1382
00:34:12,425 --> 00:34:14,469
to partisans from either side,
1383
00:34:14,511 --> 00:34:17,597
a short trip,
1384
00:34:14,511 --> 00:34:17,597
but another planet.
1385
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,975
Do they speak a different
1386
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,975
language here or something?
1387
00:34:20,017 --> 00:34:22,101
Yes, it's--
1388
00:34:20,017 --> 00:34:22,101
it's a different dialect.
1389
00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:24,103
It's not an accent.
1390
00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:24,103
The actual words are different.
1391
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:26,105
-Yes. Yes.
1392
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:26,105
-The words are different.
1393
00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:28,107
The spelling is different,
1394
00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:28,107
and also,
1395
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:30,736
the meaning of some words
1396
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:30,736
is different.
1397
00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:32,362
And the beer, most importantly,
1398
00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:32,362
the beer is different.
1399
00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:34,031
[Heinz] And the beer, yes.
1400
00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:37,409
In Cologne, we have a--an--
1401
00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:37,409
a pale beer. A light beer.
1402
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:40,119
And here, we have
1403
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:40,119
a very dark beer.
1404
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,914
-Right.
1405
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,914
-[Heinz] It's called alt,
1406
00:34:41,955 --> 00:34:43,122
but it's not old,
1407
00:34:43,164 --> 00:34:44,374
as the word "alt" means.
1408
00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:46,418
-Right.
1409
00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:46,418
-It's surprisingly fresh.
1410
00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:48,127
Fresh. I would like
1411
00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:48,127
some fresh beer.
1412
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:50,422
-[Heinz] Yeah.
1413
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:50,422
-[Judith] Yes.
1414
00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:53,050
[Bourdain] Uerige Obergarige
1415
00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:53,050
is another one of those
1416
00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:54,801
old and awesome
1417
00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:54,801
German institutions
1418
00:34:54,843 --> 00:34:57,846
designed to serve
1419
00:34:54,843 --> 00:34:57,846
maximum number of people
1420
00:34:57,888 --> 00:34:59,138
the maximum amount of beer,
1421
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:02,601
and pork products,
1422
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:02,601
with maximum efficiency.
1423
00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:03,810
Look at this.
1424
00:35:03,852 --> 00:35:07,146
♪ ♪
1425
00:35:10,191 --> 00:35:12,318
[Bourdain] Opened in 1862
1426
00:35:10,191 --> 00:35:12,318
and able to serve
1427
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,153
hundreds of people
1428
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,153
day and night,
1429
00:35:14,195 --> 00:35:16,155
it's a marvel of orderliness
1430
00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:18,742
in an uncertain world.
1431
00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:22,161
Heinz and his friend Judith
1432
00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:22,161
introduced me to alt,
1433
00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:23,830
the completely different beer
1434
00:35:23,872 --> 00:35:27,000
these Dusseldorfians drink.
1435
00:35:27,042 --> 00:35:28,167
-That's quite good.
1436
00:35:27,042 --> 00:35:28,167
-[Judith] Yes.
1437
00:35:28,209 --> 00:35:30,087
And me,
1438
00:35:28,209 --> 00:35:30,087
as a Cologne person,
1439
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,546
I must admit
1440
00:35:31,588 --> 00:35:34,173
there is a lot more
1441
00:35:31,588 --> 00:35:34,173
taste in this beer--
1442
00:35:34,215 --> 00:35:35,842
-[Bourdain] Right.
1443
00:35:34,215 --> 00:35:35,842
-Than it is in kolsch.
1444
00:35:35,884 --> 00:35:39,178
Unfortunately, after
1445
00:35:35,884 --> 00:35:39,178
three or four of these beers--
1446
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:41,056
-[Bourdain] Right.
1447
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:41,056
-I'm full.
1448
00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:43,224
So, as a utility,
1449
00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:43,224
everyday beer,
1450
00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:45,102
kolsch has definitely
1451
00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:45,102
got an advantage.
1452
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:46,436
-You can just drink it all day.
1453
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:46,436
-Yes.
1454
00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:48,647
But the Dusseldorf people,
1455
00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:48,647
they are accustomed to it,
1456
00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:51,775
so I think
1457
00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:51,775
they can do 10 or 15.
1458
00:35:51,817 --> 00:35:52,985
[Bourdain] Pickled eggs.
1459
00:35:53,026 --> 00:35:54,861
Peel. Cut in half.
1460
00:35:54,903 --> 00:35:56,237
Remove the yolk.
1461
00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:58,281
Add mustard and a bit
1462
00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:58,281
of oil and vinegar.
1463
00:35:58,323 --> 00:36:00,742
Return the yolk and go.
1464
00:36:02,243 --> 00:36:04,370
Hmm. Perfect
1465
00:36:02,243 --> 00:36:04,370
for beer drinking.
1466
00:36:04,412 --> 00:36:07,206
It's work but it's
1467
00:36:04,412 --> 00:36:07,206
worth the effort.
1468
00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:08,792
They make you
1469
00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:08,792
do this yourself.
1470
00:36:08,834 --> 00:36:10,836
I thought it was that Colognists
1471
00:36:08,834 --> 00:36:10,836
are supposed to be,
1472
00:36:10,877 --> 00:36:12,211
you know, working class.
1473
00:36:10,877 --> 00:36:12,211
I mean...
1474
00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:13,839
Yes, yes.
1475
00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:13,839
This is working class here,
1476
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,800
There's not a lot of love
1477
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,800
between Dusseldorf and Cologne.
1478
00:36:16,842 --> 00:36:18,217
Why can't we all get along?
1479
00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:22,221
[Judith] There was a battle
1480
00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:22,221
in the 13th century--
1481
00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:25,642
-Right.
1482
00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:25,642
-And Dusseldorf won the battle,
1483
00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:27,226
-[Bourdain] Uh-hmm.
1484
00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:27,226
-And that was the moment
1485
00:36:27,268 --> 00:36:28,436
Dusseldorf got the city.
1486
00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:29,688
-Right.
1487
00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:29,688
-[Judith] The rights...
1488
00:36:29,729 --> 00:36:32,065
-[Heinz] The city rights.
1489
00:36:29,729 --> 00:36:32,065
-The city rights.
1490
00:36:32,107 --> 00:36:35,652
Yes, they have
1491
00:36:32,107 --> 00:36:35,652
a different history, of course.
1492
00:36:35,694 --> 00:36:40,032
They are a little bit
1493
00:36:35,694 --> 00:36:40,032
more administration.
1494
00:36:40,073 --> 00:36:41,867
More a little bit posh.
1495
00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:43,076
Much more posh.
1496
00:36:43,118 --> 00:36:44,452
How would they describe
1497
00:36:43,118 --> 00:36:44,452
each other?
1498
00:36:44,494 --> 00:36:47,080
"Oh, those people in Dusseldorf,
1499
00:36:44,494 --> 00:36:47,080
they're all stuck up.
1500
00:36:47,122 --> 00:36:48,456
They are--they care about
1501
00:36:47,122 --> 00:36:48,456
outward appearances,
1502
00:36:48,498 --> 00:36:50,249
and they're all administrators,
1503
00:36:50,291 --> 00:36:52,335
and they don't
1504
00:36:50,291 --> 00:36:52,335
really work," or--
1505
00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:53,879
Or, I don't know.
1506
00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:53,879
I mean, I'm ask--
1507
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,506
That was a perfect
1508
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,506
explanation.
1509
00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:57,757
[Bourdain]
1510
00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:57,757
Cabbage and mettwurst,
1511
00:36:57,799 --> 00:37:00,468
which is, simply,
1512
00:36:57,799 --> 00:37:00,468
kale and sausage,
1513
00:37:00,510 --> 00:37:02,179
and delicious.
1514
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:05,264
And then, spicy pork goulash
1515
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:05,264
with rye bread.
1516
00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:06,265
Ah, that looks healthy.
1517
00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:07,726
-[Judith] Thank you.
1518
00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:07,726
-Well, kind of.
1519
00:37:07,767 --> 00:37:09,978
[Heinz] There's one
1520
00:37:07,767 --> 00:37:09,978
difference as well.
1521
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:11,646
When I was a little kid
1522
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:11,646
in Cologne,
1523
00:37:11,688 --> 00:37:13,356
I never heard the word
1524
00:37:11,688 --> 00:37:13,356
"Dusseldorf."
1525
00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:15,274
[Bourdain] What do they do?
1526
00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:15,274
They say, "The other place"?
1527
00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,070
[Heinz] No. No, no.
1528
00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,070
Even not that.
1529
00:37:18,111 --> 00:37:20,072
Was not part
1530
00:37:18,111 --> 00:37:20,072
of our conversation,
1531
00:37:20,113 --> 00:37:22,074
of our thoughts, of our--
1532
00:37:22,115 --> 00:37:23,282
-Of your world.
1533
00:37:22,115 --> 00:37:23,282
-Of our world.
1534
00:37:23,324 --> 00:37:24,450
-[Bourdain] Really?
1535
00:37:23,324 --> 00:37:24,450
-[Heinz] The first times
1536
00:37:24,492 --> 00:37:26,078
when I came to Dusseldorf,
1537
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,496
I learned that
1538
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,496
the Dusseldorf people,
1539
00:37:28,538 --> 00:37:30,456
-they look to Cologne.
1540
00:37:28,538 --> 00:37:30,456
-Yes, yes,
1541
00:37:30,498 --> 00:37:33,292
Because it's a--
1542
00:37:30,498 --> 00:37:33,292
it's a smaller town,
1543
00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:36,295
And yeah, Cologne
1544
00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:36,295
is more in the media.
1545
00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,715
Which city's better?
1546
00:37:38,757 --> 00:37:41,259
[laughter]
1547
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,221
Yeah, only one answer
1548
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:46,305
that's true. Cologne.
1549
00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:48,266
For sure.
1550
00:37:50,518 --> 00:37:52,353
[Bourdain] Why?
1551
00:37:50,518 --> 00:37:52,353
What accounts for Cologne's,
1552
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:57,609
some would say, un-German,
1553
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:57,609
relaxed, and open style?
1554
00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:00,486
One explanation might be
1555
00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:00,486
the "Dead Roman" theory.
1556
00:38:00,528 --> 00:38:02,405
I've suggested
1557
00:38:00,528 --> 00:38:02,405
that the presence
1558
00:38:02,447 --> 00:38:04,199
of long-dead Roman legions
1559
00:38:04,241 --> 00:38:05,825
enriches the soil,
1560
00:38:05,867 --> 00:38:07,326
making for good wine,
1561
00:38:07,368 --> 00:38:09,121
and a propensity for frolicking
1562
00:38:09,162 --> 00:38:10,956
and drinking that wine.
1563
00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:12,165
It is, I hasten to add,
1564
00:38:12,207 --> 00:38:13,332
an idiotic theory,
1565
00:38:13,374 --> 00:38:16,211
but I want it to be true.
1566
00:38:16,253 --> 00:38:17,712
Cheers.
1567
00:38:17,754 --> 00:38:21,340
Maurizio Arca here
1568
00:38:17,754 --> 00:38:21,340
is German-Italian, sort of.
1569
00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:23,509
You've been represented
1570
00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:23,509
to me as Italian,
1571
00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:25,929
-but your Sardinian.
1572
00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:25,929
-Yes, I am.
1573
00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:27,346
That is a whole
1574
00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:27,346
different thing.
1575
00:38:27,388 --> 00:38:28,848
-It is, definitely.
1576
00:38:27,388 --> 00:38:28,848
-[Bourdain] My father-in-law
1577
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:31,017
and his whole family
1578
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:31,017
are from Nuoro.
1579
00:38:31,059 --> 00:38:32,144
-Really?
1580
00:38:31,059 --> 00:38:32,144
-So,
1581
00:38:32,185 --> 00:38:34,020
I am well familiar
1582
00:38:32,185 --> 00:38:34,020
with Sardinia,
1583
00:38:34,062 --> 00:38:36,439
and I know that, you know,
1584
00:38:34,062 --> 00:38:36,439
this is not a dialect.
1585
00:38:36,481 --> 00:38:38,357
-This--this is a language--
1586
00:38:36,481 --> 00:38:38,357
-Yeah, right.
1587
00:38:38,399 --> 00:38:40,359
There were some
1588
00:38:38,399 --> 00:38:40,359
ambivalence
1589
00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:43,238
about whether they even
1590
00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:43,238
consider themselves Italy.
1591
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,614
They don't consider
1592
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,614
themselves as Italian
1593
00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:47,951
because they've always been
1594
00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:47,951
left alone by the state.
1595
00:38:47,993 --> 00:38:51,163
And I don't know Italy,
1596
00:38:47,993 --> 00:38:51,163
you know.
1597
00:38:51,204 --> 00:38:52,247
I've been in Sienna.
1598
00:38:52,289 --> 00:38:53,456
I've been to Rome.
1599
00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:56,459
I've been to Milano,
1600
00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:56,459
but that's it.
1601
00:38:56,501 --> 00:38:57,585
So, Italy is a--
1602
00:38:57,627 --> 00:39:00,379
is more a foreign country
1603
00:38:57,627 --> 00:39:00,379
than Germany.
1604
00:39:00,421 --> 00:39:03,508
-Yep.
1605
00:39:00,421 --> 00:39:03,508
-You couldn't find me
1606
00:39:00,421 --> 00:39:03,508
an Italian?
1607
00:39:05,426 --> 00:39:07,679
I mean, what the [...], man?
1608
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,764
Trattoria Bar Celentano
1609
00:39:09,806 --> 00:39:11,390
doesn't look like much,
1610
00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:12,642
but what they're serving
1611
00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:14,060
is deceptively good.
1612
00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:15,394
Antipasti.
1613
00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:16,395
Grassi.
1614
00:39:16,437 --> 00:39:17,647
Carpaccio.
1615
00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:19,065
Tomatoes with pepper.
1616
00:39:19,107 --> 00:39:20,108
Parmigiana.
1617
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:21,318
Grilled zucchini.
1618
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:22,819
Mortadella.
1619
00:39:22,861 --> 00:39:25,280
The Italians came during that
1620
00:39:22,861 --> 00:39:25,280
period, I guess, in the '70s?
1621
00:39:25,322 --> 00:39:28,491
To work in factories
1622
00:39:25,322 --> 00:39:28,491
along with the Turks, and--
1623
00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:30,327
-Right.
1624
00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:30,327
-Eastern Europeans,
1625
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,287
and everybody else
1626
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,287
who came in.
1627
00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:33,496
Like my dad did,
1628
00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:33,496
for example.
1629
00:39:33,538 --> 00:39:37,083
He worked in a car factory
1630
00:39:33,538 --> 00:39:37,083
near Osterburg.
1631
00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:39,669
Was your neighborhood Italian,
1632
00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:39,669
or mixed, or German, or?
1633
00:39:39,711 --> 00:39:41,671
It was mixed.
1634
00:39:39,711 --> 00:39:41,671
There were--were, like, those--
1635
00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:44,299
these homes made
1636
00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:44,299
for the guest worker program.
1637
00:39:44,341 --> 00:39:46,926
You know, all immigrants
1638
00:39:44,341 --> 00:39:46,926
were, like, stuffed in there.
1639
00:39:46,968 --> 00:39:48,345
-And integrated.
1640
00:39:46,968 --> 00:39:48,345
-Yeah.
1641
00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,638
Meaning, the Italians
1642
00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,638
didn't all live together.
1643
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,681
Not all Italians,
1644
00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:54,309
but lots of immigrants
1645
00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:54,309
like Turkish people,
1646
00:39:54,351 --> 00:39:57,478
Italian people,
1647
00:39:54,351 --> 00:39:57,478
surrounded by "Germans."
1648
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,480
What did they think
1649
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,480
of the food, your parents?
1650
00:39:59,522 --> 00:40:02,441
Like, when they first saw, like,
1651
00:39:59,522 --> 00:40:02,441
all the cabbage and the potatoes
1652
00:40:02,483 --> 00:40:04,319
and the giant hunks of pork?
1653
00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:06,279
Oh, they love potatoes.
1654
00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:06,279
That's for sure.
1655
00:40:06,321 --> 00:40:09,448
But all this other stuff,
1656
00:40:06,321 --> 00:40:09,448
like haxen,
1657
00:40:09,490 --> 00:40:10,449
they don't like that stuff.
1658
00:40:10,491 --> 00:40:12,327
When you came home
1659
00:40:10,491 --> 00:40:12,327
from school,
1660
00:40:12,369 --> 00:40:14,079
what did your mom
1661
00:40:12,369 --> 00:40:14,079
cook for you,
1662
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,372
Italian or German?
1663
00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:17,123
-Just Italian.
1664
00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:17,123
-Just Italian.
1665
00:40:17,165 --> 00:40:18,457
That's no surprise.
1666
00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:20,668
[Bourdain]
1667
00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:20,668
And spaghetti alle vongole.
1668
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:23,171
So, life is good
1669
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:23,171
as far as I'm concerned.
1670
00:40:23,213 --> 00:40:26,383
Give me a good spaghetti
1671
00:40:23,213 --> 00:40:26,383
with white clam sauce
1672
00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:28,051
and I don't need much more.
1673
00:40:28,093 --> 00:40:29,344
Maybe some wine.
1674
00:40:29,386 --> 00:40:31,470
Everybody here
1675
00:40:29,386 --> 00:40:31,470
says the same thing,
1676
00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:32,471
-"We are open-minded."
1677
00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:32,471
-Yeah.
1678
00:40:32,513 --> 00:40:34,473
"We try to be
1679
00:40:32,513 --> 00:40:34,473
fair to everybody.
1680
00:40:34,515 --> 00:40:36,475
We are welcoming.
1681
00:40:34,515 --> 00:40:36,475
We're proud of that.
1682
00:40:36,517 --> 00:40:38,353
-That will never change."
1683
00:40:36,517 --> 00:40:38,353
-Uh-hmm.
1684
00:40:38,395 --> 00:40:41,064
Do you think that the refugees
1685
00:40:38,395 --> 00:40:41,064
who are coming here,
1686
00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:44,734
that they will be integrated
1687
00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:44,734
into German society
1688
00:40:44,776 --> 00:40:47,486
as efficiently,
1689
00:40:44,776 --> 00:40:47,486
and as gracefully,
1690
00:40:47,528 --> 00:40:49,488
as your family was?
1691
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,116
I'm not sure, because times
1692
00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:53,492
are so different to the '80s.
1693
00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:55,912
But look, Germans
1694
00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:55,912
are organized.
1695
00:40:55,954 --> 00:40:57,914
Organization
1696
00:40:55,954 --> 00:40:57,914
is just one fact.
1697
00:40:57,956 --> 00:41:00,125
You need to control
1698
00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:02,419
to handle this, but, um...
1699
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:03,502
Look, all of the people
1700
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,964
who were involved
1701
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,964
on New Year's Eve.
1702
00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:07,506
-Uh-hmm?
1703
00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:07,506
-Do you think
1704
00:41:07,548 --> 00:41:08,507
that if they get work,
1705
00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:10,009
that if people
1706
00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:10,009
are kind to them,
1707
00:41:10,051 --> 00:41:11,510
if they're given housing,
1708
00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:12,929
do you think eventually
1709
00:41:12,971 --> 00:41:15,348
Germany will figure it out?
1710
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:16,808
I'm not that optimistic,
1711
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:16,808
to be honest,
1712
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:19,936
because I'm convinced
1713
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:19,936
that it's not a German problem.
1714
00:41:19,978 --> 00:41:21,313
-Right.
1715
00:41:19,978 --> 00:41:21,313
-It's a world problem.
1716
00:41:21,354 --> 00:41:22,521
It's a European problem.
1717
00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:24,565
We're all stuck
1718
00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:24,565
in the same boat.
1719
00:41:24,607 --> 00:41:27,819
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