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♪ ♪
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Somebody asks you,
"Where are you from?"
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And you answer,
"I'm from Chicago,"
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nobody's gonna give you a
patronizing response like,
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"Oh, Chicago's charming."
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Hey, Chicago!
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More likely, it'll
be, "Wow, Chicago,"
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or "Oh, Chicago."
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They'll be impressed.
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Chicago's a town, a
city that doesn't ever
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have to measure itself
against any other city.
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Other places have to measure
themselves against it.
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It's big, it's outgoing, it's
tough, it's opinionated,
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and everybody's got a story.
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♪ I took a walk ♪
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♪ Through this beautiful world ♪
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♪ Felt the cool rain
on my shoulder ♪
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♪ Found something good ♪
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♪ In this beautiful world ♪
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♪ I felt the rain
getting colder ♪
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♪ La, la ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la, la ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la, la ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la, la ♪
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♪ Sha la, la, la, la, la ♪
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I have been coming
to the Ale House...
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What can the Ale House
tell you about Chicago?
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♪ ♪
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As late afternoon
gives way to evening
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in Chicago's Old Town,
it's time to drink.
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Though, to be fair, almost
any time is time for a drink
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at the Old Town Ale House.
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Another favorite of mine is...
The difficult ones
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are the people who...
The chorus assembles
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to give their opinions
on matters of the day,
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subjects of great import
to this city on the lake,
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this city of broad shoulders,
this true metropolis.
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But there's... there's no
shortage of characters in here.
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You know, I've lost a
couple really great ones...
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John Fox the comic
died a few years ago.
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We just lost Ruben "Four Toes,"
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this 400-pound Mexican guy.
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We just called him Ruben,
and then when he had
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his big toe cut off, then he
became Ruben "Nine Toes."
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Then when he had his other
big toe cut off, he became
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Ruben "Eight Toes,"
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and then when he had his leg
cut off, it changed down
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to Ruben "Four Toes."
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He blames all his problems on
the fact his mother didn't
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give him any titty milk.
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I mean, these guys, there's
nobody coming through the door
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to replace 'em.
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The Old Town Ale House
opened in 1958...
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and has been serving beer
and other intoxicating
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beverages ever since, unless
you're on the "no shot" list,
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in which case your drinking
options have been, for the good
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of the community, limited.
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There's a "no shot" list?
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There is.
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The only guy that ever got
off it is down there now,
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and it was just 'cause
he's a peer, and yeah,
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we have a fairly extensive
"no shot" list.
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Fair... extensive, meaning
you can drink here,
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but no shots for you.
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No shots.
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'Cause just... that
will lead to no good?
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History has shown
us that these people
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should not drink a shot.
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Well, now, of course,
what they do is
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they go to another
bar and drink shots,
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and then they come over and
we get the remnants of...
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Right.
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Right.
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Bruce Cameron Elliott and his
ex-wife are the proprietors
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of the Old Town Ale House.
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Bruce likes to brag that he's
never had an honest job,
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but he's a writer, legendary
blogger, and artist.
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♪ ♪
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So who comes here?
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I mean generally.
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Who are your regulars?
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I think the most interesting
thing about this bar...
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On an average night, if
you look down this bar
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at 10:00 or 11:00, I would
say the average age
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is certainly over 40... - Right.
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Which is very unusual.
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It's really what's
missing in my life.
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I need an old man bar.
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Is there a common thread
to the... your regulars?
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The common thread is...
Of our hard-core regulars?
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Yeah.
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They're basically alcoholics.
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Well, I mean, I was
dancing around that.
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I wouldn't... we
don't dance here.
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There's no dancing.
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The late John Fox, who was my
all-time favorite funny man,
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he came up with the
Ale House handshake.
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The secret Ale House handshake
was like... in the morning,
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which was that.
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Right, what do you have
to do to get barred here?
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You know, punch somebody,
probably more than once.
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More than once?
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♪ ♪
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The walls of the bar are
covered with his portraits
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of Ale House regulars,
which he mostly paints
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in the basement, next
to the beer cooler.
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More notorious are his
paintings of well-known
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political figures who have,
for one reason or another,
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raised Bruce's ire.
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They are inevitably depicted
in an unflattering, let's say
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non-family-friendly light.
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Putin has been
behaving very poorly,
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let me put it that way.
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I mean, but he
also intrigues me.
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Plus I also have the
extra satisfaction
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of knowing he would not
like what I'm gonna do,
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and that... that's... you
know, that gives you
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a lot of pleasure.
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♪ ♪
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There is no shortage of
opinions at the Ale House bar,
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and Bruce's opinions and the
scope of his work extends
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far beyond Chicago's borders.
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I'm working on... my
latest painting is Putin.
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Oh, say no more, I want to see.
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I would like some advice,
because I was thinking
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of the classic "Catherine the
Great hoists stallions,"
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but let me show you... -
There's ponies involved?
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I love ponies.
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Well, let me show you
what I've come up with,
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because... simply because
of the size constraints.
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This is... of course, that's our
beer cooler and everything.
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This is where the magic happens.
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Well, this is where...
Yeah, this is where
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Sarah Palin was painted.
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Whoa!
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And... Originally
I was thinking...
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And I'd be very
interested in your input.
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Originally what I thought
was Catherine the Great,
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the horses, and he in
the receptive position.
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But then on the other hand,
when I put him in a tutu,
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I thought, "I think that
I've really uncovered"
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the true Putin."
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Ballet's very
important in Russia.
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Right.
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And if I painted him naked,
that would almost be macho.
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Yeah, you don't
need the... I mean,
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presumably tiny genitals.
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Well, I don't think there's
any doubt about that.
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Um, I mean, look, he's got
his shirt off, so already...
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That's the important part.
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He's universally identifiable,
because he really likes
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to take his shirt off.
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No, he does, and I
took his shirt off.
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He loves... I think this
is an iconic image as is.
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- I really do.
- I think it says it all.
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I was waiting... I'm
glad you told me that,
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because I think I can go
full-steam-ahead now.
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I'm thinking pastel... I've
gotten pretty good with pastels,
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but this might be...
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All fans of... the people
who follow your blog
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and know so much about...
You know, I know who fixes
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your walk-in refrigerator, I
know who fixes the bathroom,
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I know who comes in and
cleans the floors, and I know
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the entire morning routine
between Fancypants and...
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Street Jimmy.
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And Jimmy, and I know so
much about all of these people
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and just the little... the
day-to-day workings,
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but do you think there's
something to be said
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that, like, you know,
the trajectory
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of your clientele is not...
No, it's-
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- Does not tend to be...
- It's not ascending.
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It's not... it's not ascending.
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It's not in ascendance,
it's... yes, and I've lost
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a couple really... I mean, we've
really lost some beauties.
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I mean, it's the perils of
being a saloon keeper, you...
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Here's my take on that,
bar people do not live
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as long as vegan joggers.
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However... however,
they have more fun.
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♪ ♪
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In a city of factions... of
neighborhoods... black, white,
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North side, South, Cubs
or White Sox... everybody
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at one point or another seems
to agree on this place,
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Valois in Hyde Park.
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Gotta grab your tray.
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That's part of the rule here.
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Um, I think meatloaf and
macaroni and cheese, please.
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There you go.
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Thank you.
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I'll have the white fish, the
mashed potatoes, and corn.
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I'm very happy about this.
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Two of my guilty pleasures
on one plastic tray.
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Wow, they sure gave
us a lot of fish.
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So what is... where am I?
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What is this neighborhood?
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This is Hyde Park.
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This is the heart and
soul of Hyde Park.
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So, if you were
running for office,
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why would you use this place
as your staging area?
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What's the social
importance of it?
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You will see every
politician, black and white,
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running for city office will
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come through here at some point.
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Why?
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It's just kind of a hangout.
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You'd see Harold
Washington here a lot.
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I mean, Barack... I used to see
Barack here all the time,
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mostly for breakfast.
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The machine that is Chicago
politics goes straight back
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to emperor Richard Daley...
The father, then the son...
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With a diverse cast of
scoundrels in between.
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How are things in Chicago?
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I mean, on the arc of the trajectory...
The problem was
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that we had this may...
The Daley dynasty.
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We had the old man, and
then we had the kid...
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The not-so-bright
kid replaced him.
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And he threw a party for his
friends for over 20 years,
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and when it came time
to pay the bill,
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he snuck out the back door
of the... of city hall.
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So it's a mess right
now, financially.
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The one thing about Chicago
is, you cannot get away
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with being a fake or a phony.
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I mean, maybe somewhere out
in one of the suburbs,
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but people see through
it right away.
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That's kind of Chicago.
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What other characteristics
of a true Chicagoan would be
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stereotypically true?
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I think you've got to make
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at least a little effort
to be... not be a pussy.
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I think you gotta
be a little tough.
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I don't think you can just...
Not-You can't be a pussy.
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Or at least you're
making an effort.
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Make a little effort.
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Just not to just, you know, roll over and...
Right.
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♪ ♪
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Been coming to the Ale
House for over 20 years.
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I have multiple sclerosis, and
I was leaving a rehearsal
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from A Red Orchid Theatre,
which is my theater company,
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which is around the
corner, and I came here.
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I was really, really tired,
and I was talking to Mitt
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who's Matt in the blog and maybe
three or four other people
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at the end of bar, and
I-I just remember, like,
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falling on the floor.
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I heard somebody yell,
"She's not breathing,"
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and they called an ambulance,
and that's kind of all
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that I remember, and when I
came back a few days later,
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like, I walked in the
door, everybody was like,
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"Yay, you're better,"
252
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and then a couple of the
regulars were like,
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"That guy... that guy
said that thing,"
254
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and I was like,
"What did he say?"
255
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And they said, "When
you were on the floor"
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foaming at the mouth, he
said"... he said, like...
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They said it got really
quiet and he said,
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"I'll have what she's having."
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So, yeah.
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So that was fun.
261
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But I found out later what
was really interesting
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about it was that right away
my mind goes to alcohol.
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The American cheeseburger.
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It's the sort of feeling
you get when you eat it
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that you remember you're
sitting with a friend
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and enjoying a memory that
takes you back to long ago
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when you were young, and as
we follow Paul backstage,
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watching him slowly
sip his coffee...
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Hey, what's going on, Daniel?
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You remember that comedy
isn't just about laughs.
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It's also about... coffee...
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And clothes and being yourself.
273
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Do you guys want
to run this scene?
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Which one?
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Transcendence.
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And after all, if we
can't laugh at ourselves,
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who can we laugh at?
278
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I gotta be honest... he
usually does it way better.
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Oh, come on!
280
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How is it that Chicago
has become the...
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Sort of the fount of comedy?
282
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You know, it's-it's a gusher.
283
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I think it all started with
Second City, and then people
284
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came here to study.
285
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I'd say 90% of the people who
are doing comedy right now
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came to Chicago to study.
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Paul Jurewicz, a young
man at the beginning
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of what will presumably
be a glorious career.
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"First you push me in the
pool, "now you call me
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'ketchup dick.'
291
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"I try to be spontaneous one
time and this is what I get.
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I feel like no one
respects me anymore."
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Second City opened in
Chicago's Old Town in 1959,
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and almost from the
beginning established
295
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a probably unhealthy
symbiotic relationship
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with the Ale House.
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You know their names... John
Belushi, Gilda Radner,
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Amy Poehler, Bill
Murray, Chris Farley.
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If you're funny in America,
chances are you spent
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some formative years here,
getting the shit hammered
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out of you, learning, one
hopes, in the parlance
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of the trade, to kill.
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I tuck my undershirt
into the underwear.
304
00:14:09,932 --> 00:14:11,685
So how many times
you do it a show?
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Per show?
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Probably seven times.
307
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Gotta be a cannonball,
you know, not like a...
308
00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:21,361
bowl of Jell-O out there.
309
00:14:21,402 --> 00:14:23,945
You know, where are Second
City people coming from,
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all over?
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All over.
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Right.
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All walks of life too.
314
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I mean, it is, you know,
lawyers, teachers with...
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You know, servers.
316
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It's all classes.
317
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Well, look, servers...
That is a rich tradit...
318
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I mean, one pres...
Anytime you find anyone
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in the entertainment
business, one presumes
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restaurant experience.
321
00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:44,572
Mm-hmm.
322
00:14:44,573 --> 00:14:45,593
I used to be a server.
323
00:14:45,635 --> 00:14:48,221
I used to be a cook, I was
a sushi chef for a while.
324
00:14:48,262 --> 00:14:49,848
I used to be a
Segway tour guide.
325
00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:51,843
- I know too much about that.
- You were a Segway tour guide?
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Yes.
327
00:14:52,975 --> 00:14:55,353
Wow, you better have
a sense of humor.
328
00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:58,085
Paul and I discussed
the perilous nature
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of a life in comedy over
some drinks and food
330
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at Longman & Eagle, where,
though the flannels
331
00:15:04,988 --> 00:15:07,031
and neck beards are abundant,
the food is excellent.
332
00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:11,161
Beef tartare.
333
00:15:11,162 --> 00:15:12,245
I like that.
334
00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:16,207
And who does not love
roasted bone marrow?
335
00:15:16,249 --> 00:15:19,210
Tête de Cochon with bleu
cheese and celery relish.
336
00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:21,546
The good Lord wants
you to eat this.
337
00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:24,048
Really, he speaks
to me all the time.
338
00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:27,968
Confit of beef tripe, and since
I'm all about vegetables,
339
00:15:28,010 --> 00:15:30,971
slow roasted cauliflower
with caramelized onions
340
00:15:31,013 --> 00:15:32,973
and lentils.
341
00:15:33,015 --> 00:15:34,267
♪ ♪
342
00:15:34,308 --> 00:15:36,060
So, does Second City travel?
343
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Do you have a road company?
344
00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:40,481
There are touring companies...
Three touring companies.
345
00:15:40,523 --> 00:15:43,255
They're on cruise ships as
well, so I did ten months
346
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on a cruise ship.
347
00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:45,236
Ooh!
348
00:15:45,278 --> 00:15:48,698
Which is ten months of looking
at the water and wondering,
349
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you know, "At this trajectory",
350
00:15:50,097 --> 00:15:51,451
would the boat pull me under?"
351
00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:56,080
"If I've had this much to
drink, how long before the boat
352
00:15:54,203 --> 00:15:56,080
is out of my sight line?"
353
00:15:56,122 --> 00:15:57,533
- So that's like a prison ship.
- Yes.
354
00:15:57,540 --> 00:15:59,584
I mean, 'cause you... you
can't... you can't say,
355
00:15:59,585 --> 00:16:00,293
"Fuck this."
356
00:16:00,334 --> 00:16:02,037
I mean, it's real fun
for the first two months,
357
00:16:02,044 --> 00:16:04,672
you know, it's a lot of fun,
hanging out with the crews,
358
00:16:04,714 --> 00:16:07,467
you know, there's a lot of,
you know, venereal diseases
359
00:16:07,468 --> 00:16:10,010
going around... - Right.
360
00:16:10,052 --> 00:16:12,305
And a lot of partying and
there's a bar every 2 feet.
361
00:16:12,346 --> 00:16:14,641
And then after you
hit the two-month,
362
00:16:14,682 --> 00:16:17,310
and you're like, "I want to go
home, Mom, please help me."
363
00:16:17,351 --> 00:16:20,814
Talk about, you know,
battlefield conditions
364
00:16:20,855 --> 00:16:22,440
to hone your craft, man.
365
00:16:22,441 --> 00:16:24,065
I respect... that is...
Is that... I mean,
366
00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:25,693
is that the idea behind it?
367
00:16:25,735 --> 00:16:27,062
"We're gonna send you out"...
The thing that you
368
00:16:27,069 --> 00:16:29,113
take away from it... -
You're... When you get back
369
00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:30,114
from the gulag, you will
be stronger for it?
370
00:16:30,156 --> 00:16:31,658
Oh, absolutely.
371
00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:34,118
It's your first time getting
paid as a performer,
372
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,036
and it's also... the
largest amount of people
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00:16:36,078 --> 00:16:38,038
I've ever performed for
was on a cruise ship.
374
00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,124
It's 950 people you're
performing to, you know,
375
00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:42,543
four nights a week.
376
00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:43,336
Right.
377
00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:47,924
♪ ♪
378
00:16:47,966 --> 00:16:49,049
Places, act one.
379
00:16:49,091 --> 00:16:50,217
How are things?
380
00:16:50,259 --> 00:16:51,719
- Oh, good.
- Do I put the game on?
381
00:16:51,761 --> 00:16:53,513
The Patriots are
playing the Redskins.
382
00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:56,349
Do we know where
the dry cleaning is?
383
00:16:56,390 --> 00:17:00,353
There's no job that you
can liken to this job.
384
00:17:00,394 --> 00:17:02,626
What are you trying to say,
Mike, that we're some sort
385
00:17:02,627 --> 00:17:03,356
of time travelers?
386
00:17:03,397 --> 00:17:05,358
My hemp business is
doing really well.
387
00:17:05,399 --> 00:17:08,152
I think it's on... I only have,
like, four lines, right?
388
00:17:08,194 --> 00:17:11,865
Is it a kind of supportive...
I mean, comedians
389
00:17:11,866 --> 00:17:15,159
are not famous for... -
Standup, specifically,
390
00:17:11,906 --> 00:17:15,159
is more cutthroat.
391
00:17:15,201 --> 00:17:17,086
Why don't we all just
calm down here, all right?
392
00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,747
I thought that would get a
pop, or at least a reaction.
393
00:17:19,789 --> 00:17:20,915
It's too long.
394
00:17:20,957 --> 00:17:22,792
Does anybody know
where my socks are?
395
00:17:22,834 --> 00:17:24,794
In the improv community, I think
396
00:17:24,836 --> 00:17:26,330
it's a lot more supportive,
because it's a group sport.
397
00:17:26,337 --> 00:17:27,505
Did you say, "community"?
398
00:17:27,506 --> 00:17:28,673
Yes.
399
00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:29,403
Got your back.
400
00:17:29,404 --> 00:17:30,090
Got your back.
401
00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:31,133
Got your back.
402
00:17:31,175 --> 00:17:32,169
- Got your back.
- Got your back.
403
00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:33,553
Got your back.
404
00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:34,387
Got your back.
405
00:17:34,388 --> 00:17:35,179
Got your back.
406
00:17:35,221 --> 00:17:37,097
- So what if someone sucks?
- Improvise.
407
00:17:37,139 --> 00:17:38,516
What if they're
just... they suck?
408
00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:41,018
Your job as an improviser
is to make that person
409
00:17:41,019 --> 00:17:42,102
look amazing.
410
00:17:42,144 --> 00:17:44,188
That's how you know if
you're a good improviser.
411
00:17:46,524 --> 00:17:48,609
♪ ♪
412
00:17:48,651 --> 00:17:50,403
This was a path of least
resistance for me.
413
00:17:50,444 --> 00:17:52,112
It was something I fell
into that I loved,
414
00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:56,116
that I just found out that
I was relatively good at,
415
00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:59,661
and through a series of
mishaps, I found myself
416
00:17:59,662 --> 00:18:01,288
in this position.
417
00:18:01,330 --> 00:18:03,979
Like, if you'd asked me six
years ago if I would be
418
00:18:03,980 --> 00:18:06,502
on the main stage at Second
City, there's no way.
419
00:18:06,544 --> 00:18:08,922
I would have laughed at you.
420
00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:12,633
So, if this is where it
ends for me, I'd be happy.
421
00:18:12,675 --> 00:18:13,760
♪ ♪
422
00:18:19,807 --> 00:18:20,307
♪ ♪
423
00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:31,151
Maybe the first
thing you think of
424
00:18:31,193 --> 00:18:33,842
when you think about
Chicago is not
425
00:18:33,843 --> 00:18:37,450
ass-burning Szechuan food, but
maybe... maybe it should be.
426
00:18:37,491 --> 00:18:39,159
Well, I think a lot
of people come
427
00:18:39,201 --> 00:18:41,161
and they think that Chicago is,
428
00:18:39,201 --> 00:18:41,996
like, on the Magnificent Mile,
and you know, they're like,
429
00:18:41,997 --> 00:18:44,040
"Oh, should we go
down to Navy Pier?"
430
00:18:44,041 --> 00:18:45,249
Like, no.
431
00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:46,084
Right.
432
00:18:46,085 --> 00:18:46,876
Why?
433
00:18:46,918 --> 00:18:48,628
So it's nice to go out
to the neighborhoods,
434
00:18:48,669 --> 00:18:50,122
and there are so many different
ethnicities everywhere,
435
00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:53,340
so going to places like
that is really awesome.
436
00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:56,907
One of my favorite Chicagoans,
chef, restaurateur,
437
00:18:56,908 --> 00:18:59,806
Stephanie Izard from
the Girl & The Goat,
438
00:18:59,847 --> 00:19:03,810
and her colleague Peter
Wong enlighten me.
439
00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:05,812
Look, I knew Chicago was a city
440
00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:08,481
of very diverse neighborhoods...
Everybody says so...
441
00:19:08,522 --> 00:19:11,692
But this I didn't know about.
442
00:19:11,734 --> 00:19:13,111
Now I do.
443
00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:15,363
So where... where... where
are we, and why are we...
444
00:19:15,364 --> 00:19:16,489
Why are we here?
445
00:19:16,530 --> 00:19:18,825
I'm... I have to say, I'm
really glad we're here,
446
00:19:18,866 --> 00:19:21,035
but... but what... why?
447
00:19:21,077 --> 00:19:24,038
We're at Sze Chuan Cuisine,
so after going to China...
448
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,206
We were just talking about that
449
00:19:26,207 --> 00:19:28,626
Chengdu is my favorite
place, but Peter's never
450
00:19:26,248 --> 00:19:28,626
actually been to Chengdu.
451
00:19:28,668 --> 00:19:30,210
And so coming back
then, it was like,
452
00:19:30,252 --> 00:19:32,005
"Let's go to Chinatown
and try to find places
453
00:19:32,046 --> 00:19:34,214
to find those things we ate
for breakfast every day."
454
00:19:37,259 --> 00:19:37,759
♪ ♪
455
00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:44,224
Pork dumplings in chili oil.
456
00:19:44,266 --> 00:19:45,434
Start the fire.
457
00:19:45,476 --> 00:19:46,853
Oh, man, they're slippery.
458
00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:48,347
- If you can get one.
- You got it? Here.
459
00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:52,129
You know why the chopstick
is thin, it's thick and fat?
460
00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:54,152
You can just... just do this.
461
00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:55,732
I thought you're not
supposed to do that.
462
00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:58,928
Peter, you're supposed
to help me knowing
463
00:19:58,929 --> 00:19:59,866
what's faux pas.
464
00:20:01,492 --> 00:20:03,077
Yeah, so happy.
465
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,413
One of my favorite dishes
in the world anywhere...
466
00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:08,248
Mapo doufu.
467
00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:11,502
Yes, a tofu dish, stippled
heavily with pork
468
00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:15,048
in a burny, numbing, "9
1/2 Weeks" style exercise
469
00:20:15,089 --> 00:20:18,822
in sadomasochism that will
start you thinking some deeply
470
00:20:18,823 --> 00:20:20,094
disturbing thoughts.
471
00:20:20,136 --> 00:20:21,679
Do you know, "Mapo doufu,"
472
00:20:21,721 --> 00:20:24,431
is it because it looks
like spotted grandmother,
473
00:20:24,473 --> 00:20:29,269
or did spotted, pockmarked
grandmother create the dish?
474
00:20:29,311 --> 00:20:30,270
- Both.
- Both?
475
00:20:30,312 --> 00:20:31,230
Yes.
476
00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:32,148
Right?
477
00:20:32,190 --> 00:20:33,691
My mouth's a little
on fire right now,
478
00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:35,310
so I think the rice
came at the right time.
479
00:20:35,317 --> 00:20:37,070
Yes.
480
00:20:37,111 --> 00:20:39,363
Ooh.
481
00:20:39,405 --> 00:20:41,281
Sounds like we are suffering...
482
00:20:41,323 --> 00:20:43,159
But actually it's delicious.
483
00:20:45,619 --> 00:20:47,163
Here, Anthony, try some of this.
484
00:20:47,205 --> 00:20:48,748
This is my favorite.
485
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:51,500
This specialty of the
house... fish hotpot.
486
00:20:51,542 --> 00:20:52,960
Nice.
487
00:20:52,961 --> 00:20:54,378
All right, here goes.
488
00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:56,589
I scooped off some peppers.
489
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:58,799
You're going for
the best piece, huh?
490
00:20:58,841 --> 00:21:00,384
Yeah.
491
00:21:00,426 --> 00:21:03,888
Oh, it burns so good.
492
00:21:03,930 --> 00:21:05,392
I could pretty much
eat this every day.
493
00:21:11,353 --> 00:21:11,853
♪ ♪
494
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,987
It would have to be 1963...
The summation was
495
00:21:20,988 --> 00:21:27,620
that I moved to move him
away from another customer,
496
00:21:27,661 --> 00:21:31,958
and he backed up and
clenched his fist,
497
00:21:31,999 --> 00:21:37,046
and, boy, when somebody
clenches their fist, you know,
498
00:21:37,047 --> 00:21:39,548
they're really capable
of doing something.
499
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:45,054
So I got in the first shot,
and then somebody grabbed me
500
00:21:45,055 --> 00:21:47,723
by my arms and held me
by my arms, and he got
501
00:21:47,724 --> 00:21:51,393
the second shot off, and
he re-deviated my septum,
502
00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:53,854
which was a good thing.
503
00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:56,983
But you know, he was
bleeding and I was bleeding,
504
00:21:57,024 --> 00:21:59,235
and you know, it
was camaraderie.
505
00:21:59,277 --> 00:22:02,362
We all... we hugged and
kissed afterwards,
506
00:22:02,404 --> 00:22:04,115
and said, "Oh, I'm sorry."
507
00:22:04,116 --> 00:22:05,825
I'm sorry I did that."
508
00:22:05,866 --> 00:22:07,451
Well, he's dead now.
509
00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:10,288
I don't want to speak
poorly about the dead.
510
00:22:18,796 --> 00:22:19,296
♪ ♪
511
00:22:27,805 --> 00:22:30,308
We always lived in the 'hood.
512
00:22:30,348 --> 00:22:33,186
You would hear gunshots
in the distance,
513
00:22:33,227 --> 00:22:36,376
you would get to know about
gangs, you would see
514
00:22:36,377 --> 00:22:37,315
the graffiti.
515
00:22:37,397 --> 00:22:41,401
The people who you were
growing up with playing with
516
00:22:41,443 --> 00:22:42,938
wouldn't be there
anymore, and it's like,
517
00:22:42,945 --> 00:22:44,613
"Oh, what happened
to such and such?"
518
00:22:44,655 --> 00:22:46,199
And it's like, "Oh, he's dead."
519
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,118
He was in a gang or he
got killed in a drive-by
520
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,704
or he got shot and
such and such.
521
00:22:51,745 --> 00:22:55,208
Hip-hop artist
extraordinaire Lupe Fiasco
522
00:22:55,249 --> 00:22:59,712
grew up on the South and
West Sides of Chicago.
523
00:22:59,753 --> 00:23:03,716
But inside, his home was
always an island of sanity,
524
00:23:03,757 --> 00:23:06,719
a supportive,
creative environment.
525
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,376
Well, what was different
about your family?
526
00:23:08,386 --> 00:23:13,017
My mother and my father
were very intelligent
527
00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:18,605
and politically oriented and
active, so it... it... you know,
528
00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,608
I got book smart and
street smart, you know?
529
00:23:21,650 --> 00:23:24,028
Floyd Webb is an
old family friend.
530
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:25,946
This is Lupe's mom, Shirley.
531
00:23:25,988 --> 00:23:31,244
As becomes quickly apparent,
she is, along with being
532
00:23:31,245 --> 00:23:34,747
an extraordinarily good
cook, an extraordinary
533
00:23:31,285 --> 00:23:34,747
and determined human being.
534
00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:37,750
Man, this is so
outrageously delicious.
535
00:23:37,791 --> 00:23:39,459
Wow.
536
00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:41,461
The whole time we're
eating, by the way,
537
00:23:41,503 --> 00:23:43,498
people are moving in and out
of Shirley's small apartment,
538
00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:46,466
the place clearly a hub for
a tightly knit community
539
00:23:46,508 --> 00:23:48,969
of friends and family.
540
00:23:49,011 --> 00:23:51,555
So what age were you when
you came to Chicago?
541
00:23:51,597 --> 00:23:53,974
I was, uh, 13.
542
00:23:54,016 --> 00:23:56,060
The worst thing that my
family could have ever done
543
00:23:56,102 --> 00:23:59,146
was left the South...
Was left Mississippi.
544
00:23:59,188 --> 00:24:00,064
We should have stayed.
545
00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:02,942
But this was the land of
opportun... here and Detroit and
546
00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:02,942
the great cities of the North.
547
00:24:02,983 --> 00:24:04,651
It was and they came
up, you know, then...
548
00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:07,154
We were never hungry
down in Mississippi.
549
00:24:07,196 --> 00:24:10,490
We got here, depending
on welfare, whatever,
550
00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:13,473
and they became alcoholics,
abusive to the children
551
00:24:13,474 --> 00:24:16,496
and wives, and the children
came out in the streets,
552
00:24:16,538 --> 00:24:20,209
and just everybody lost
control, and now it's...
553
00:24:20,251 --> 00:24:24,088
What was Chicago
like when you arrived?
554
00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:26,799
Uh, it wasn't as violent.
555
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,969
You know, the neighborhoods
were communities.
556
00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:32,512
No vacant lots, there
were families all over,
557
00:24:32,554 --> 00:24:33,806
kids in the street.
558
00:24:33,847 --> 00:24:36,475
You could go outside
and play and not worry
559
00:24:36,476 --> 00:24:37,393
about your children.
560
00:24:37,435 --> 00:24:43,232
And somewhere in the
late '70s, early '80s,
561
00:24:43,274 --> 00:24:46,319
it started to change and
become more violent.
562
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:47,132
News announcer:
563
00:24:47,133 --> 00:24:49,447
July 4th, two young
men gunned down
564
00:24:47,945 --> 00:24:49,447
at a Chicago strip mall.
565
00:24:49,487 --> 00:24:50,343
News announcer:
566
00:24:50,344 --> 00:24:52,532
For more than 50%
surveyed... news announcer:
567
00:24:52,533 --> 00:24:55,453
Nine people shot to death and
at least 60 others wounded.
568
00:24:55,493 --> 00:25:00,124
However much you might love
Chicago, want to celebrate
569
00:25:00,125 --> 00:25:02,918
its general awesomeness,
its character,
570
00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:05,254
its architecture, its food,
there's no getting away
571
00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:08,590
from the ugly fact that
Chicago's South Side
572
00:25:08,591 --> 00:25:10,759
is also currently the
murder capitol of America.
573
00:25:10,801 --> 00:25:12,379
Why do you think people
are killing each other
574
00:25:12,386 --> 00:25:14,847
in such large numbers in
Chicago and not in New York?
575
00:25:14,888 --> 00:25:16,974
Let's be clear, it's
only a few spots.
576
00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:18,593
- It isn't the whole city.
- It isn't the whole city.
577
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,560
- It's not the whole city.
- It's not "Chi-Raq."
578
00:25:20,602 --> 00:25:22,083
To be honest, "Chi-Raq"
579
00:25:22,084 --> 00:25:23,563
is Englewood.
580
00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:24,857
Right.
581
00:25:24,898 --> 00:25:26,566
Look, it's a pretty
staggering body count.
582
00:25:26,608 --> 00:25:29,862
The sad part is that it's
been like this, right,
583
00:25:29,903 --> 00:25:32,823
and the only reason it's a story
now is 'cause white people
584
00:25:31,322 --> 00:25:34,574
looking at it, and it's like,
"Aw, that's terrible."
585
00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:36,111
It's like, man, it's been
like this for 30 years.
586
00:25:36,118 --> 00:25:37,404
How come it wasn't
terrible 30 years ago
587
00:25:37,411 --> 00:25:39,893
when you probably actually
could have did something
588
00:25:39,894 --> 00:25:41,165
about it?
589
00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:45,878
Does a hip-hop artist have
an ob... any obligation really
590
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:51,509
to speak about anything positive
or even smarter than cars,
591
00:25:51,549 --> 00:25:54,303
girls, or "Where's my money"?
592
00:25:54,345 --> 00:25:58,807
Um... I guess it depends
on where you come from,
593
00:25:58,849 --> 00:26:02,061
and then do you feel a obligation
to where you came from?
594
00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:03,847
A lot of people in the 'hood
won't take me serious.
595
00:26:03,854 --> 00:26:07,670
You know, they don't take Chuck
D serious, because at least
596
00:26:07,671 --> 00:26:09,777
you take somebody who's
rapping about crack
597
00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:12,071
and rapping about dope,
that is a actual thing that
598
00:26:12,072 --> 00:26:14,177
they can go get and sell
and make money that day
599
00:26:14,178 --> 00:26:15,115
if they wanted to.
600
00:26:15,157 --> 00:26:18,994
You can't preach to them Black
Panther Party or you know,
601
00:26:18,995 --> 00:26:22,122
Marcus Garvey or this, 'cause
they can't go out and get it
602
00:26:22,164 --> 00:26:24,666
and actually sell it
and monetize and make
603
00:26:23,665 --> 00:26:24,666
some money off of it.
604
00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:25,522
Right. Right.
605
00:26:25,523 --> 00:26:26,335
Right.
606
00:26:28,462 --> 00:26:32,091
Despite an appalling murder
rate, questionable leadership,
607
00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:36,720
Chicagoans aren't going
anywhere anytime soon.
608
00:26:36,762 --> 00:26:39,932
The Southern people, we
brought our spirit here,
609
00:26:39,973 --> 00:26:43,623
so Chicago have, like, a
warm spirit and you know,
610
00:26:43,624 --> 00:26:44,562
loving spirit.
611
00:26:44,602 --> 00:26:47,689
It's a beautiful place, it's
a genuinely beautiful place
612
00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:50,443
where you have to redefine
what beauty is to you.
613
00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:53,904
You go to different neighborhoods
and it's really that.
614
00:26:53,946 --> 00:26:57,074
But even in that, there's
still a beauty in the people.
615
00:26:57,116 --> 00:26:59,659
And then just from
a cultural front.
616
00:26:59,701 --> 00:27:01,454
You know, we got
everything here.
617
00:27:01,495 --> 00:27:05,124
You know, we got... if you want
Capoeira, we got Capoeira.
618
00:27:05,165 --> 00:27:07,834
You want avant-garde jazz,
we got avant-garde jazz.
619
00:27:07,876 --> 00:27:09,462
You want House music,
we got that too.
620
00:27:09,503 --> 00:27:11,922
You want... you want
just straight finance
621
00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:14,174
and you want to just be
a stock market baron,
622
00:27:14,216 --> 00:27:16,135
we got that too, you know.
623
00:27:16,176 --> 00:27:18,554
You want some of the best
food that you'll ever find,
624
00:27:18,596 --> 00:27:20,473
we got that too.
625
00:27:20,514 --> 00:27:23,496
So we're a crossroads and we
picked up a lot of little DNA
626
00:27:23,497 --> 00:27:26,686
and things from different
places on all fronts.
627
00:27:26,728 --> 00:27:27,228
♪ ♪
628
00:27:43,829 --> 00:27:46,206
Start to know people's names...
629
00:27:50,668 --> 00:27:53,297
I've always, my whole life, had
very... a lot of difficulty
630
00:27:53,339 --> 00:27:56,737
with these fireplug type
guys, and he started looking
631
00:27:56,738 --> 00:27:59,240
like he was gonna start
punching Street Jimmy,
632
00:27:59,241 --> 00:28:01,555
who's a guy that hangs
around on the street
633
00:28:01,556 --> 00:28:02,348
and comes in here.
634
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:05,725
And I said something to him,
and he came... he made a move,
635
00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:09,647
so I caught him a real nice
left-left, knocked him down.
636
00:28:09,687 --> 00:28:12,732
And I never saw a guy
make this move before,
637
00:28:12,774 --> 00:28:16,007
but on his stomach, he just
went... like, squished over,
638
00:28:16,008 --> 00:28:18,947
hooked my leg, got on top of
me, and started whacking me.
639
00:28:18,989 --> 00:28:22,950
And Hawkeye, our doorman,
just sat there watching me
640
00:28:22,951 --> 00:28:26,414
being pummeled, and
Street Jimmy came over
641
00:28:26,415 --> 00:28:27,540
and grabbed his arm...
642
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:39,051
♪ ♪
643
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:40,760
Making a living
hasn't really been
644
00:28:40,802 --> 00:28:42,929
what it's been about
ever in Chicago.
645
00:28:42,971 --> 00:28:44,973
Keeping the ball in the
air is what it's about,
646
00:28:45,015 --> 00:28:48,331
just making sure that things
keep going, remain viable
647
00:28:48,332 --> 00:28:49,853
and sustainable.
648
00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:52,147
Nobody's too concerned
about making a killing
649
00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:53,440
or becoming a star.
650
00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:54,685
Everybody just wants
to keep doing it.
651
00:28:54,692 --> 00:28:57,277
Is that a uniquely
Chicago attitude?
652
00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:00,364
I flatter myself by thinking
that people in Chicago
653
00:29:00,406 --> 00:29:01,781
care more about
what they're doing
654
00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:04,702
than what they're
getting paid to do it.
655
00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,196
One of the things people
have always loved
656
00:29:06,203 --> 00:29:08,163
about Chicago, of
course, is the music,
657
00:29:08,205 --> 00:29:11,709
and if one guy has defined
rock and roll and punk sounds
658
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:15,879
for the last three decades,
well, this guy, Steve Albini,
659
00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:18,090
would have to be a
powerful candidate.
660
00:29:18,131 --> 00:29:20,800
Member of the legendary
Chicago punk band Big Black
661
00:29:20,842 --> 00:29:22,254
and one of the most
important producers
662
00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:25,243
of underground rock,
Albini produced some
663
00:29:25,244 --> 00:29:28,434
of the most influential music
of the last 25 years...
664
00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:33,813
The Pixies, Slint, Nirvana,
PJ Harvey to name a few.
665
00:29:33,855 --> 00:29:36,609
He takes me to one of his
favorite Chicago spots,
666
00:29:36,650 --> 00:29:40,738
Ricobene's, to sample the
particularly unholy delights
667
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,823
of the breaded, fried
steak sandwich.
668
00:29:43,865 --> 00:29:45,492
♪ ♪
669
00:29:45,534 --> 00:29:48,328
This thing is... - This is a
half a sandwich, bear in mind.
670
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:49,496
That's like 4 pounds.
671
00:29:49,538 --> 00:29:50,748
Yeah.
672
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:51,831
Wow.
673
00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:53,875
We're gonna need a
boatload of napkins.
674
00:29:53,917 --> 00:29:55,461
There's no delicate
way to eat this.
675
00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:57,087
- You just hoist it and go.
- Yeah.
676
00:29:57,129 --> 00:30:00,424
The time out of the
fryer is also critical.
677
00:30:00,466 --> 00:30:02,842
These are still crispy
on the outside.
678
00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:05,554
This is precisely the
way this sandwich
679
00:30:05,596 --> 00:30:06,846
was meant to be eaten.
680
00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:10,225
Yeah, that is a thing of beauty.
681
00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:12,060
And tasty.
682
00:30:12,102 --> 00:30:13,729
Hmm.
683
00:30:13,771 --> 00:30:16,877
So, you have
remarkably... unusual for
684
00:30:16,878 --> 00:30:21,341
the music industry... a
remarkably lenient...
685
00:30:21,342 --> 00:30:24,782
views on music sharing.
686
00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:28,868
Your pricing structure as
a producer is, you know,
687
00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:31,455
somewhat against the grain
of the usual business model.
688
00:30:31,497 --> 00:30:33,957
And you are not living in I.A.
689
00:30:33,958 --> 00:30:37,877
or New York or living on a
mountaintop, peeing on the...
690
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,797
You know, peeing downwards
from a great height.
691
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:41,507
What are you, some
kind of a communist?
692
00:30:41,548 --> 00:30:42,882
What's... what's the deal?
693
00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:45,385
Well, I mean, I have
a healthy suspicion
694
00:30:45,427 --> 00:30:47,554
of capitalism as a method.
695
00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:50,890
I feel like, you know,
left unchecked,
696
00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:56,062
capitalism is a kind of
cultural sociopathy.
697
00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:59,899
Like, for a business to be
successful in capitalist terms,
698
00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:03,445
it has to do the best possible
job of exploiting everyone
699
00:31:03,446 --> 00:31:04,780
that it does interaction with.
700
00:31:04,822 --> 00:31:05,864
Mm-hmm.
701
00:31:05,865 --> 00:31:07,887
The endgame of capitalism
is that everything
702
00:31:07,888 --> 00:31:09,681
is crappier and
crappier and people are
703
00:31:09,682 --> 00:31:11,621
more and more
exploited, and I have
704
00:31:11,622 --> 00:31:12,705
a healthy suspicion of that.
705
00:31:12,746 --> 00:31:18,418
So I feel like the social model
that I'm comfortable with,
706
00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:21,213
it suits my business practices,
which is that we're all
707
00:31:21,214 --> 00:31:22,172
in the same game.
708
00:31:22,214 --> 00:31:23,841
We're all trying to
do the same thing.
709
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:25,946
We just want to make sure
that things get better
710
00:31:25,947 --> 00:31:26,926
for everybody.
711
00:31:26,968 --> 00:31:29,555
Is that a Chicago
attitude, you think?
712
00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:32,599
Mm, well, in my
circles it is, yeah.
713
00:31:32,641 --> 00:31:35,811
In the punk rock scene and the
people who are influenced
714
00:31:35,812 --> 00:31:38,938
by the punk rock scene,
that's a very common notion,
715
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:42,150
is that you're not trying
to extract the maximum,
716
00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:45,362
you're trying to make sure
that everything goes...
717
00:31:45,404 --> 00:31:46,946
Everything carries on.
718
00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:48,428
Is there less "douchery"
719
00:31:48,429 --> 00:31:49,867
in Chicago?
720
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,619
You can find jagoffs... that's
a uniquely Chicago word,
721
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:53,245
by the way.
722
00:31:53,286 --> 00:31:54,663
Jagoff, oh, I love it.
723
00:31:54,705 --> 00:31:56,074
It's been so long
since I've heard it.
724
00:31:56,081 --> 00:31:58,250
If you look for 'em,
you can find jagoffs
725
00:31:58,291 --> 00:32:00,878
of all type in Chicago.
726
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,902
But the people who are, you know...
Thank you so much.
727
00:32:03,903 --> 00:32:04,882
You're welcome.
728
00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:07,967
Productive and content
and part of an enterprise
729
00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:11,889
that is, you know, righteous,
for lack of a better term...
730
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:13,139
Right.
731
00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:16,976
They tend to not just give
lip service to the notion
732
00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:23,400
of egalitarianism or fairness,
but they tend to embody it.
733
00:32:23,442 --> 00:32:24,693
What about the musicians?
734
00:32:24,735 --> 00:32:29,989
I mean, how much money does a
guitar hero deserve to make?
735
00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:31,949
Well, all of it, obviously,
because that's what
736
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,243
people are listening to.
737
00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:36,413
People are listening to
somebody's creative expression.
738
00:32:39,458 --> 00:32:39,958
♪ ♪
739
00:32:53,263 --> 00:32:56,850
Look down the bar, right,
and it's... Some characters
740
00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,018
you can't write about,
and some people...
741
00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:04,733
Around here, nicknames
have a sick habit
742
00:33:04,775 --> 00:33:05,901
of sticking to you like glue.
743
00:33:05,902 --> 00:33:09,655
You just... you don't just dodge
'em, you just live with it.
744
00:33:09,696 --> 00:33:13,032
When I used to bartend
the morning shift here,
745
00:33:13,074 --> 00:33:17,912
him and this other guy used
to come in, a bit crazy
746
00:33:17,913 --> 00:33:21,917
before it was even, like,
8:30 in the morning.
747
00:33:21,959 --> 00:33:26,045
And this one poor guy was
here, and they were, like,
748
00:33:26,046 --> 00:33:28,966
on both sides of him,
just going nuts,
749
00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:31,551
and I'm like, you know,
"That's it, you know,
750
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:31,551
you guys gotta go."
751
00:33:31,593 --> 00:33:34,513
But he says, "You know, man,
you're a real buzzkill,"
752
00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:37,056
and it stuck to me ever since.
753
00:33:37,098 --> 00:33:39,852
I mean, it's carved
in stone pretty much.
754
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:50,153
♪ ♪
755
00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:53,114
Chicago is famously
a sports town.
756
00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:56,702
The Bulls, the Bears, the
Cubs, the White Sox...
757
00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:58,495
to you and me, those
are just names,
758
00:33:58,537 --> 00:34:01,080
but to many Chicagoans, a cause,
759
00:34:01,122 --> 00:34:03,333
a defining lifestyle choice.
760
00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:08,234
The rivalry between Cubs and
White Sox fans, for instance,
761
00:34:08,235 --> 00:34:10,173
is particularly vicious.
762
00:34:10,215 --> 00:34:13,092
Difference between a Cub
fan and a Sox fan is
763
00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:17,452
a Cub fan goes to the park,
they enjoy themselves,
764
00:34:17,453 --> 00:34:18,724
they have fun.
765
00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:21,226
If the team wins, that's
okay, if they lose,
766
00:34:21,227 --> 00:34:22,394
it's no big deal.
767
00:34:22,435 --> 00:34:26,669
Sox fan will turn on their
team in a... on-on a dime
768
00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:29,046
if they don't... if
they're not good,
769
00:34:29,047 --> 00:34:31,361
if they don't play well,
if they don't hustle.
770
00:34:29,985 --> 00:34:31,361
That is true.
771
00:34:31,403 --> 00:34:34,823
But a perfect day for a
Sox fan is the Sox to win,
772
00:34:34,865 --> 00:34:37,951
the Cubs to lose, and then
the Cubs' plane crashes.
773
00:34:37,993 --> 00:34:43,331
So to what do you attribute
this quality of deep, deep,
774
00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:45,042
bordering on murderous hatred?
775
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:47,836
The hatred is basically
from the South Side.
776
00:34:47,878 --> 00:34:49,170
Of course it is.
777
00:34:49,212 --> 00:34:52,340
I mean, they hate us
like... you have no idea.
778
00:34:52,382 --> 00:34:55,134
We don't have that
vicious intent to them.
779
00:34:55,176 --> 00:34:57,136
Why... where... why the
viciousness and hatred?
780
00:34:57,178 --> 00:35:00,223
All right, to be around
Cub fans is to hate them.
781
00:35:01,683 --> 00:35:02,642
Let's go, Cubbies.
782
00:35:07,814 --> 00:35:09,315
Yeah, baby!
783
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,989
♪ ♪
784
00:35:16,031 --> 00:35:20,369
I just... I can never bring
myself to understand
785
00:35:20,370 --> 00:35:21,620
their hatred of us.
786
00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:23,162
Yeah, Cubbies!
787
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:24,623
Whoo!
788
00:35:24,664 --> 00:35:26,625
Number one.
789
00:35:26,666 --> 00:35:28,126
Yo! Go, Cubs, go! Yeah!
790
00:35:28,127 --> 00:35:29,586
Whoo!
791
00:35:29,628 --> 00:35:31,170
So they're cursed.
792
00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:33,882
Their historic destiny
is to be losers.
793
00:35:33,924 --> 00:35:37,407
Yes, and like they say,
any team... any team can have
794
00:35:37,408 --> 00:35:38,804
a bad century.
795
00:35:38,845 --> 00:35:41,473
The Cubs are working on
having two bad centuries.
796
00:35:41,514 --> 00:35:43,182
Right.
797
00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:45,811
Topo Gigio is a massive
Italian-American joint
798
00:35:45,852 --> 00:35:49,606
in the Old Town that serves up
much-better-than-you'd-think
799
00:35:49,607 --> 00:35:51,337
old school stuff like
scallops in pesto
800
00:35:51,338 --> 00:35:54,486
cream sauce for Bruce here, and
squid ink pasta with shrimp
801
00:35:54,487 --> 00:35:55,904
for Buzzkill.
802
00:35:55,946 --> 00:35:58,239
My veal saltimbocca
is most excellent,
803
00:35:58,281 --> 00:36:01,200
and the long, festering
dispute across from me
804
00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:03,286
only makes my food taste better.
805
00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:08,083
Is Bruce's attitude
atypical or typical?
806
00:36:08,125 --> 00:36:10,836
It's extremely... - Or is
he a relative moderate?
807
00:36:10,877 --> 00:36:14,673
It's the... It's
extremely typical.
808
00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:16,709
I mean, he is sitting at the
same table with a Cubs fan.
809
00:36:16,716 --> 00:36:18,010
Well, yes.
810
00:36:18,051 --> 00:36:19,253
No, no, I drink with Cub fans.
811
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:21,847
I've even had sex with Cub fans.
812
00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:24,223
I mean, no, I... -
Well, truth be told,
813
00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:27,060
the last time the
Sox won it in '05...
814
00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:28,645
Not that long ago, really.
815
00:36:28,646 --> 00:36:31,606
- I-I-I...
- Not that long ago.
816
00:36:31,648 --> 00:36:33,143
- For chrissakes, you won one.
- It was this century.
817
00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:35,360
- I've been on this planet...
- How about this century
818
00:36:35,361 --> 00:36:36,235
we've already won one?
819
00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:38,237
You know, I've been on
this planet for 55 years,
820
00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:39,259
you've won one.
821
00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:40,239
You know what?
822
00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:42,075
You guys are worse
than Notre Dame fans.
823
00:36:42,117 --> 00:36:43,319
I wouldn't mind
winning every 25 years.
824
00:36:43,326 --> 00:36:45,871
I swear to Christ,
you cling onto that.
825
00:36:47,288 --> 00:36:49,415
I mean, look,
Chicago's a great city.
826
00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:50,625
Yes, it is.
827
00:36:50,667 --> 00:36:52,251
It deserves to win, right?
828
00:36:52,252 --> 00:36:55,254
I mean... - Thing is about
Chicago sports fans,
829
00:36:55,296 --> 00:36:57,256
we got to see the greatest
basketball player
830
00:36:57,298 --> 00:36:58,717
that ever lived.
831
00:36:58,758 --> 00:36:59,926
We were winners in our prime.
832
00:36:59,968 --> 00:37:01,260
Best athlete that ever lived.
833
00:37:01,302 --> 00:37:03,180
In our prime we got to see this.
834
00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:04,056
Right.
835
00:37:04,057 --> 00:37:06,265
So now we... We're now
holding things up to
836
00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:07,788
a higher standard of excellence.
837
00:37:07,789 --> 00:37:09,268
Right.
838
00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:11,305
Now, here's where the Cub
fans and Sox fans join forces,
839
00:37:11,312 --> 00:37:12,515
- to watch the Bear game.
- Right.
840
00:37:12,522 --> 00:37:14,566
That's something
we can all agree on.
841
00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:16,109
You both hate the Bears?
842
00:37:16,151 --> 00:37:18,195
- No, no, we love them...
- No, we love the Bears.
843
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:21,698
We just want Virginia to
just cash in her chips
844
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:23,282
and just go away.
845
00:37:23,324 --> 00:37:25,869
So let's say... let's
say the planets all...
846
00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:31,124
The stars align perfectly
for Chicago, in your view.
847
00:37:31,166 --> 00:37:33,292
What does the sports
picture look like?
848
00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:34,604
Who wins, who loses,
what happens?
849
00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:37,505
Well, first of all there'd
have to be some funerals.
850
00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:39,298
- There'd have to be funerals.
- Several.
851
00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:40,466
Who would have to die?
852
00:37:40,508 --> 00:37:43,762
I would say the owner
of the Bears, and then...
853
00:37:43,803 --> 00:37:45,304
And do you agree with this?
854
00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:46,340
- Yeah, and if...
- More or less.
855
00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:47,599
We hate owners.
856
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,143
Yeah, we all are united
in hatred of the owners.
857
00:37:50,185 --> 00:37:54,522
Well, I... wish you both luck.
858
00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:59,318
♪ ♪
859
00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:16,753
♪ ♪
860
00:38:16,795 --> 00:38:19,338
And I had to do in the
morning, so I'd just get up,
861
00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:21,153
and Roger... he was
a very fat guy,
862
00:38:21,154 --> 00:38:24,761
always been a very fat guy
until, of course, he became ill,
863
00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:26,554
but he was an
indefatigable walker.
864
00:38:26,596 --> 00:38:27,722
He loved to walk.
865
00:38:27,764 --> 00:38:31,539
And the reason we ended
up here was because
866
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:34,396
in the drinking society
that we were involved in
867
00:38:34,397 --> 00:38:36,940
at the time, there
were not many walkers,
868
00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:40,318
but Roger was a walker,
I was a walker.
869
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:43,947
Legendary film
critic Roger Ebert
870
00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:47,033
was a man of mythic
proportions in Chicago.
871
00:38:47,075 --> 00:38:50,411
A close friend of Bruce, half
of the Siskel and Ebert duo,
872
00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:53,372
and a regular at the
Old Town Ale House,
873
00:38:53,414 --> 00:39:00,088
Roger passed away in 2013 after
a long battle with cancer.
874
00:39:00,130 --> 00:39:04,050
I been sort of conducting
an informal poll
875
00:39:04,092 --> 00:39:06,615
over the course of the
week, asking people
876
00:39:06,616 --> 00:39:07,804
who Chicago should honor.
877
00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:09,139
If you had to put up a statue,
878
00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:12,163
you know, of the... sort of
the... an iconic Chicagoan
879
00:39:12,164 --> 00:39:15,478
who everybody agrees
is a good person,
880
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,649
and very popular
answer... Roger Ebert.
881
00:39:19,691 --> 00:39:23,278
I would say that I'm a little
prejudiced, but definitely
882
00:39:23,279 --> 00:39:27,448
Roger Ebert deserves all the
accolades he's been getting,
883
00:39:27,490 --> 00:39:29,868
justifiably so.
884
00:39:29,909 --> 00:39:31,911
Roger's the guy that got
me to write the blog,
885
00:39:31,953 --> 00:39:34,831
and he's the guy that
gave me the tips.
886
00:39:34,873 --> 00:39:38,501
He was an amazing guy,
and I think, of course,
887
00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:44,465
had he not become ill and
really handled his illness
888
00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:47,886
in a way that I could...
I can't even conceive
889
00:39:47,887 --> 00:39:51,222
of myself handling, I
think that that really
890
00:39:51,223 --> 00:39:54,372
kind of set him apart
from kind of the other
891
00:39:54,373 --> 00:39:56,019
iconic Chicago people.
892
00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:57,729
The guy... and correct
me if I'm wrong...
893
00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:00,023
This was an enthusiast,
I mean, this was a guy
894
00:40:00,065 --> 00:40:02,317
who actually liked
going to the movies.
895
00:40:02,359 --> 00:40:04,903
Now, this is not always
the case with critics.
896
00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:08,031
They don't necessarily
love the people
897
00:40:08,073 --> 00:40:10,658
or the subject matter
they're reviewing.
898
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:13,703
Roger loved movies
and he loved actors.
899
00:40:13,745 --> 00:40:15,810
If you went over to his
house, he would want
900
00:40:15,811 --> 00:40:16,706
to watch movies.
901
00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:20,502
Siskel and Ebert, classic,
you know... it's like, that is
902
00:40:20,503 --> 00:40:21,669
an iconic relationship.
903
00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:23,171
They didn't seem to
like each other.
904
00:40:23,213 --> 00:40:24,339
They hated each other.
905
00:40:24,381 --> 00:40:25,499
- They hated each other?
- Yes.
906
00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:27,717
I mean, they understood
what they had,
907
00:40:27,759 --> 00:40:31,512
but a lot of people think
Siskel was the alpha.
908
00:40:31,554 --> 00:40:32,472
Mm-hmm.
909
00:40:32,473 --> 00:40:33,390
He was not.
910
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,683
Roger had two
things over Siskel.
911
00:40:35,725 --> 00:40:39,145
He was a much better writer
and he was much better read.
912
00:40:39,187 --> 00:40:42,357
So, Roger lived
principally in Chicago?
913
00:40:42,399 --> 00:40:44,776
Oh, yes, and he had...
Believe me, he had plenty
914
00:40:44,777 --> 00:40:45,777
of opportunities to leave.
915
00:40:45,818 --> 00:40:49,135
I mean, he was offered some
serious dough to go to New York
916
00:40:49,136 --> 00:40:51,074
and go to I.A.
917
00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:52,491
Why didn't he go?
918
00:40:52,533 --> 00:40:56,955
In Chicago, favors are worth
more than money and loyalty.
919
00:40:56,996 --> 00:40:59,749
In Chicago, this is
very important stuff.
920
00:40:59,791 --> 00:41:01,709
Roger is one of the
most loyal people.
921
00:41:01,751 --> 00:41:05,171
He was loyal to his
friends, to his family.
922
00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:06,172
Right.
923
00:41:06,214 --> 00:41:10,176
And I just... I don't have
any problem understanding
924
00:41:10,218 --> 00:41:12,345
why he decided to stay here.
925
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:15,890
♪ ♪
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