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- Still nothing?
- They're still not answering.
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- But you've been...
- Yeah, calling every 30 minutes,
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just like you asked.
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They haven't answered in days.
How long we gonna keep trying?
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Let me make sure
I'm getting this right.
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David Koresh
believes the opening
of the fifth seal begins
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-when Babylon, the ATF...
-Mm-hm.
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-...attacks
the "peculiar people."
-Right, the Branch Davidians.
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Then there's a quote.
"Little season of waiting."
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Yes, that's what they believe
they're in right now.
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And that little season
culminates in a second round
of bloodshed
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-in which
the rest of them are killed.
-Exactly.
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But where this
gets interesting
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is the interpretation
of the little season.
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Um, in Biblical terms,
that could be a month
or a decade.
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It's not specific.
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And the word "season"
in the Bible is a translation
of the Greek word "kairos,"
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-which actually means...
-Time.
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..."time" more than "season."
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So, you can think of it
like "right time" versus
a literal season.
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These people are not crazy.
David Koresh is not crazy.
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His theology follows
a coherent logic.
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Agree with it or not,
there's something to it.
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If you say so,
I believe you. Uh...
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Let's open up this conversation
to some callers.
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Uh, Derek, you're on the air.
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Hey, Ron. Say, I'm, uh--
I'm one of the camera guys
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that's standing out here
watching Mount Carmel.
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Something occurred to me.
You know how the Branch
Davidians
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have no way of communicating
with the outside world?
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I've been thinking.
There's this huge satellite
dish on their roof.
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I mean, if we can somehow
get them to listen to your show,
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we can ask 'em
"yes or no" questions
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and they could move the dish
to answer, right?
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- Thibs.
- Go, go.
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Go.
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That's not a bad idea.
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I guess the question
would then be,
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"How do we get them
to listen to my show?"
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Whoa.
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Ron, they just moved it.
They moved the dish.
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They did?
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Again!
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Are you guys
listening to me in there?
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Again! Come on, Thibs!
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They moved it again.
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- That's a "yes."
- We have communications!
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- That's a "yes."
Um, hi, guys...
- We have communications.
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- Is there anything
you need?
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My name is Dick DeGuerin.
David Koresh's lawyer.
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Jack Zimmerman.
Steve Schneider's lawyer.
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We'd like to speak
with our clients.
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- Ron Engelman, KGBS.
- You can't be serious.
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You expect me to, what,
just let you walk up there
and knock on the front door?
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We filed a writ
of habeas corpus.
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That only applies
when someone's in custody.
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Well, if they're not in custody,
we'll arrange transportation
so they can leave.
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They haven't even asked
for a lawyer.
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Yes, they have.
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They're asking
for their lawyers in front
of the whole world. Now...
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what do you think's
gonna happen to you when
this whole case is dismissed...
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because you refused them
the right to counsel?
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David, they're coming.
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ATF claim that
you shot at them first
through those front doors,
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but the metal bends inward.
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They claim their helicopters
didn't fire,
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but the holes in Jaydean's room
are clearly from above.
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We have recordings,
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the 911s, Wayne made
of you trying to surrender.
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Trust me on this, gentlemen,
any jury sees this at all,
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you got a hell of a case
for self-defense here.
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This is the U.S. government
we're up against,
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and you're sitting here
telling me we're gonna get
a fair shake?
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The government
doesn't sit on the jury.
People like y'all do.
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Let me ask you this.
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If you were on that jury
and you saw that front door,
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what would your verdict be?
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What's the plan?
What's the strategy here?
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The plan is we go for
full acquittal.
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Full acquittal?
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- Thanks again.
- We'll be in touch.
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You realize
we're standing outside.
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I know.
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What do you think?
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The theologian
on the radio show,
the little season...
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the camera man calling in,
the satellite...
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the lawyers...
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All of this doesn't happen
by chance.
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Come on.
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Gary!
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Hello?
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- Hello? Hello?
- Gary?
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Oh, David. I have to say
I've missed the sound
of your voice, brother.
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-What's going on?
-Something special happened
today, Gary.
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Something I can't see
as anything short of a miracle.
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What are you saying?
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I got my sign from God, Gary.
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We're coming out.
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But first,
I want to protect the message
that we have going on in here.
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So, when I go to jail,
I can spend all my time
answering the stupid questions.
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Like, "Why do you have
so many wives in there?"
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and "Why are you
torturing babies?"
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'Cause once I finish writing
those seven seals,
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I will personally walk out
that front door,
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and you can throw me
in the jailhouse and come on
down and feed me bananas
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for all you want.
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I'll come feed you
anything you like.
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How long will it take you
to write it?
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Oh, I'm thinking a week,
a week or so.
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Are you telling me
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that once you have reduced
your version of the seven seals
to written form,
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that you and all your people
are coming out of there?
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I have no reason
to draw this out
any longer, Gary.
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Please answer the question
definitively.
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Are you coming out
as soon as you're done?
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Gary, I'm going to fulfill
my commitment to God.
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Now, if you would allow me
to show you what has been
pre-written by the prophets,
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you'll have
a way better understanding
of what's going on in here.
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I am asking you
a very simple question, David.
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-I need--
-I'm gonna give you
a very simple answer.
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Yes, yes, yes!
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We have no intention
of dying in here, Gary.
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Okay, David.
Well, I'm gonna let you
get to work
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because, frankly,
I am eagerly awaiting
that manuscript.
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Well, I tell you what.
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It's gonna blow
your socks off, Gary.
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My concern is...
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-we gotta make sure
that their field...
-They're surrendering.
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We're gonna work out
the details of the surrender
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while David writes down
his interpretation
of the seven seals.
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-Then they'll come out.
-How long is that gonna take?
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-They're guessing a week.
-Tell them to take a few
extra days.
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Maybe knock out his memoirs
while he's at it.
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I just got off the phone
with the man, okay?
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He told me,
"I never intended
to die in here."
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Those are his words,
okay? But...
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Koresh's biggest fear
is being silenced
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before he can share his message
with the world.
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If we let him write it,
he will come out peacefully.
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It's just another stall tactic.
You're not taking this
seriously, are you?
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Mitch,
we've been here six weeks.
What's one more?
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-I know
how long we've been here.
-One more.
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All right, Gary,
start working out
the details of surrender,
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and let's see if it happens.
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I can buy you one week.
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Yeah, thanks. Yeah.
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Excuse me. Everyone, listen up.
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I've got some news.
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David's received
a sign from God.
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We're working out
a plan to surrender.
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It's over.
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It's all over.
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Oh! Oh, God!
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It's gonna be okay.
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I'm ready.
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Strange, indeed...
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...for the judgment of man,
for who knows within himself
that his judgment be true?
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Steve Schneider
will then deliver the manuscript
of the seven seals
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to the theologian James Tabor.
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Once the manuscript
is delivered to Tabor,
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David Koresh
will leave the building,
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either by foot or on stretcher,
followed by those remaining
on the inside.
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How do we know
the place isn't rigged
with bombs?
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I don't want my men
getting blown up
when they search the place.
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Mitch, why the hell would they
put bombs in their own house?
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I'll be the last one
out of the building, and...
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the Texas Rangers
will be the ones
to secure the scene,
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not you,
to protect the evidence.
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-Not acceptable.
-Non-negotiable.
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If you wanted them to trust you,
you shouldn't have tortured 'em.
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We'll accept those conditions.
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Good.
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Hey.
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- Hungry?
- Starving...
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for anything
but those disgusting things.
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First thing I'm gonna eat
when I get out of here...
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a whole box of fish sticks.
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Yeah.
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Do you think
you'll go to jail...
once this is done?
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Yeah.
Probably for a little while.
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Do you think I'll go to jail?
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No.
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No, that would be crazy.
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My idea of crazy
has been changing.
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Yeah.
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But, hey...
when I get out of jail...
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I think I could look you up.
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Give you a call.
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You won't have to.
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I'll be
standing outside the jail,
waiting to drive you home.
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And I saw, in his right hand
that sat on the throne,
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a book written
within and on the backside,
sealed with seven seals...
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David, I gotta stop.
My finger's really
hurting here.
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And I saw a strong angel...
proclaim with a loud voice,
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"Who is worthy to open the book?
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And to loose its seals?"
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And no man in heaven...
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nor on earth,
nor under the earth...
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Honestly...
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how real do you think
this Koresh manuscript is?
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I-I think it's real.
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-Have you seen any of it yet?
-No, they haven't sent
anything out.
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Has anyone in there seen in it?
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Nobody's seen it,
but he's working on it
day and night, apparently.
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Like, have I read
the manuscript personally? No.
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- But...
I know he's working on it.
- Strange, indeed...
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All right, Steve,
I need you to send me some pages
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to show my bosses
that you and I are
working towards a resolution.
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Because right now,
they think David is stalling.
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- I can try, but--
- To avoid them making
any hasty decisions.
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Do you understand me?
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...who knows within himself...
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Yeah. Yeah, I understand.
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We'll send out some pages.
I'll talk to David.
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Hey, where'd Prince go?
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He left with Decker.
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Wh-Where?
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I think they headed
to the airport.
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...saying with a loud voice,
"Worthy is the Lamb
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that was slain to receive honor
and power and glory--"
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-David--
-"...and strength.
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-Wisdom--"
-I need to talk to you.
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I need your permission
to send out some of
the manuscript pages.
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No, it's not ready.
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David, Gary has got to
show his bosses that we are
really doing something here.
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We have to send out some pages.
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Steve, last time I rushed it,
the message wasn't ready.
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And finally, I've received
the word of God.
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And this is gonna be
the most sacred revelation
in human history.
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-It's gotta be right!
-I know, but I am telling you--
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And I'm telling you
you'll get it when it's done!
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Because under him and for him...
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all things were created.
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You're telling me
you've exhausted every other
possible option?
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Negotiations
have reached an impasse,
Madam Attorney General.
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You're asking me
to sign off on an assault that
would put children in danger.
237
00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:28,367
I wouldn't call it an assault.
238
00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:32,367
Once we insert
tear gas into the compound,
they'll come right out.
239
00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:35,233
I thought you said
they all had gas masks in there.
240
00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:40,833
Nobody makes a gas mask
that'll fit children.
241
00:18:41,833 --> 00:18:45,733
Once those mothers
see those kids' eyes
watering like that,
242
00:18:45,867 --> 00:18:46,933
game over.
243
00:18:47,067 --> 00:18:48,633
Wouldn't that hurt them?
244
00:18:48,767 --> 00:18:52,067
We believe
it's the best option available.
245
00:18:55,367 --> 00:19:00,600
Our intelligence shows
they continue to abuse
those children while we wait.
246
00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:07,867
There's no other way
to end this?
247
00:19:09,333 --> 00:19:11,467
I'm afraid it's the only way.
248
00:19:18,133 --> 00:19:22,800
-Let me take this
to the president.
-Thank you, Madam General.
249
00:20:05,167 --> 00:20:08,467
There are barrels of CS gas
out there.
250
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,133
This thing needs to be brought
to a logical conclusion.
251
00:20:11,267 --> 00:20:14,667
CS gas is banned
by the Geneva Convention.
252
00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:20,267
It would be a war crime
to use CS gas on a terrorist.
253
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,867
And you think it's
a logical conclusion to use it
on American women and children?
254
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,633
You've had almost two months
to work this out.
And you failed.
255
00:20:28,767 --> 00:20:33,033
What do you mean I failed?
We have a deal for surrender!
256
00:20:33,167 --> 00:20:36,100
Yeah, I know.
257
00:20:43,567 --> 00:20:47,433
All right. Hey! Walter!
Get him on the phone!
258
00:20:48,233 --> 00:20:49,467
- Now!
- Yeah.
259
00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:55,700
- Hello?
- Steve, it's been a week.
260
00:20:55,833 --> 00:20:58,133
You told me you were gonna
get me some pages.
261
00:20:58,267 --> 00:21:04,067
- I know, but David--
- Nuh-uh, uh-uh!
I need the pages.
262
00:21:04,133 --> 00:21:07,133
Gary, David really
wants to get this right
before he sends--
263
00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:12,200
I don't give a shit
what David wants anymore!
I need those pages!
264
00:21:12,333 --> 00:21:15,733
The last time
he sent out a message,
he was embarrassed,
265
00:21:15,867 --> 00:21:17,733
and you saw how that turned out.
266
00:21:17,867 --> 00:21:20,600
Why not give him
the time that he needs
so that he can get it right?
267
00:21:20,733 --> 00:21:25,433
We don't have time anymore.
Get me the pages now, Steve.
268
00:21:25,567 --> 00:21:29,767
I am trying to help you people,
but you make it so goddamn hard.
269
00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:34,333
Do you have any idea what is--?
270
00:21:36,233 --> 00:21:37,600
Hello?
271
00:21:38,733 --> 00:21:39,800
Steve?
272
00:21:49,967 --> 00:21:52,733
You've gotten
a little too close to this one.
273
00:21:54,533 --> 00:21:56,333
I'm sending you home.
274
00:21:58,333 --> 00:22:00,367
Uh-uh, I'm not leaving.
275
00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:01,633
Gary...
276
00:22:02,967 --> 00:22:05,400
Please don't make me
have my guys do it.
277
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,600
You cannot remove these people
by force.
278
00:22:14,533 --> 00:22:19,367
The more you push them,
the more they think it is
a test of their faith.
279
00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,733
You've been wrong
about a whole lot of things
on this one, Gary.
280
00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:35,600
Don't do it, Tony.
Don't go in there with gas.
281
00:22:37,433 --> 00:22:40,267
This isn't your fight
any longer, Gary.
282
00:22:58,933 --> 00:23:00,333
All right.
283
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,400
Let's pack it up.
284
00:23:09,167 --> 00:23:10,933
They asked me to stay.
285
00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:14,800
Oh.
286
00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:32,533
Oh, Jesus.
287
00:23:35,367 --> 00:23:36,667
You know...
288
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:40,533
before this...
289
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:45,133
before all the tanks
290
00:23:45,267 --> 00:23:49,333
and psy-ops and guns...
291
00:23:50,233 --> 00:23:52,200
and cruelty...
292
00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:55,667
and bullshit...
293
00:23:57,733 --> 00:24:00,933
do you know how they kept order
in Waco?
294
00:24:01,067 --> 00:24:05,333
Do you know how they kept
the Branch Davidians in line?
295
00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:09,533
They talked to 'em!
296
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,733
The local sheriff
doesn't even carry a sidearm.
He doesn't need one.
297
00:24:15,867 --> 00:24:17,533
But you people...
298
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:22,067
Look at yourselves! All this!
299
00:24:23,067 --> 00:24:24,733
All this!
300
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,267
You think
this is really working?
301
00:24:33,833 --> 00:24:35,067
Good luck.
302
00:25:17,967 --> 00:25:21,067
David,
it's the FBI on the phone.
303
00:25:21,167 --> 00:25:23,333
I've agreed to everything.
304
00:25:27,233 --> 00:25:29,567
But they won't stop.
305
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:31,667
It sounds important.
306
00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:40,333
-Gary?
-No, it's Walter.
Gary's been reassigned.
307
00:25:40,467 --> 00:25:42,700
Reassigned? Why?
308
00:25:42,833 --> 00:25:46,600
David, I need to tell you
that my bosses have run out
of patience with you.
309
00:25:46,733 --> 00:25:50,233
Every day, we try
and show you men good faith,
310
00:25:50,367 --> 00:25:52,333
but all you want to do is fight.
311
00:25:52,467 --> 00:25:54,800
I'm tired.
I don't wanna fight no more.
312
00:25:54,933 --> 00:25:57,667
I'm a life.
Everyone in here is a life.
313
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,667
We've got children.
We're American citizens.
314
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,300
But we all have
our breaking point.
315
00:26:02,433 --> 00:26:04,767
You brought yourself
to that breaking point, David.
316
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:06,833
If you'd walked out on that day
as you promised,
317
00:26:06,967 --> 00:26:08,833
by now,
you'd probably be out on bail
for God's sake!
318
00:26:08,967 --> 00:26:11,067
We both know that's not true.
319
00:26:11,133 --> 00:26:13,600
You got your guys out here
removing evidences,
320
00:26:13,733 --> 00:26:17,133
you say you're the government,
you wanna settle this
in a court of law,
321
00:26:17,267 --> 00:26:19,133
but I don't believe it anymore!
322
00:26:19,267 --> 00:26:23,333
Are you covering up for the ATF?
Because it appears that way,
Walter.
323
00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:27,233
-We're not
removing evidence, David.
-You are removing evidences!
324
00:26:27,367 --> 00:26:29,967
And there's things in here
that we can't replace!
325
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:33,800
Like that '68 SS El Camino!
You can't replace that!
326
00:26:33,933 --> 00:26:35,533
They don't make those anymore!
327
00:26:35,667 --> 00:26:37,333
I don't really have control
over that, David.
328
00:26:37,467 --> 00:26:41,600
It's wrong,
and you're doing wrong
by God and by man,
329
00:26:41,733 --> 00:26:44,067
and every day,
you're adding to your wrong!
330
00:26:44,133 --> 00:26:50,267
-David, you're the one
who's doing wrong.
-No, no, no, no!
331
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,633
No!
332
00:26:51,767 --> 00:26:53,267
David, you seem to have
no concern
333
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,900
about anybody within
that place except yourself!
334
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,733
Walter, please tell me...
335
00:27:06,067 --> 00:27:10,133
what is it you men really want?
336
00:27:10,267 --> 00:27:15,433
We want you and everyone else
in that place to come out
safely.
337
00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:19,733
Well, you're not showing me
that that's what you want.
338
00:27:19,867 --> 00:27:23,167
Because I believe
you want just the opposite.
339
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:25,067
That's not true, David.
340
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,400
Your commanders are fixing
to ruin the safety of me
and my children,
341
00:27:29,533 --> 00:27:31,967
my life, the lives of my wives,
342
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:36,067
the lives of my family,
the lives of my friends.
343
00:27:37,567 --> 00:27:42,900
You all are fixing
to step across that ribbon,
and you know it!
344
00:27:43,067 --> 00:27:46,633
Walter,
if you want to place this
in the history books
345
00:27:46,767 --> 00:27:49,800
as one of the saddest days
the world's ever known...
346
00:27:50,667 --> 00:27:52,467
then that's on you.
347
00:27:54,067 --> 00:27:55,800
David...
348
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,167
Hello?
349
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:40,067
I need to speak
to Steve right away.
350
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:43,500
Steve! Steve!
351
00:28:43,633 --> 00:28:45,533
Tanks are coming right at us!
352
00:28:45,667 --> 00:28:46,867
Shit!
353
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:53,433
This is Steve.
354
00:28:53,567 --> 00:28:55,133
Steve, we
are going to insert
tear gas into your building.
355
00:28:55,267 --> 00:28:56,767
-What?
-This is not an assault.
356
00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:58,567
We are not
entering your building.
357
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,367
-Do not fire your weapon.
-No.
358
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,467
-If you fire,
fire will be returned.
-No, no!
359
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,200
-No, we had
a deal for surrender!
-This is not an assault.
360
00:29:05,333 --> 00:29:06,967
We had a deal!
361
00:29:08,233 --> 00:29:09,733
Son of a bitch!
362
00:29:21,533 --> 00:29:24,367
Everyone,
get your gas masks! Now!
363
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,500
David?
364
00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:37,767
-David, wake up.
-Hm?
365
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:41,933
-They're gonna gas us.
-What? Gas us?
366
00:29:42,067 --> 00:29:44,133
I mean they're coming
with gas.
367
00:29:44,267 --> 00:29:46,967
-All right,
get Walter back on the phone.
-No, it cut off.
368
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:48,833
Cut off?
What do you mean "cut off"?
369
00:29:48,967 --> 00:29:50,933
I got mad,
and I ripped out the phone.
370
00:29:51,067 --> 00:29:53,700
-Why would you do that, Steve?
-They're done talking!
371
00:29:53,833 --> 00:29:56,067
Okay, then, men in the chapel,
women in the vault.
372
00:29:56,133 --> 00:29:57,967
We need to wet the blankets
to protect the children
373
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:00,267
-from the gas, okay?
-No, no, we gotta get out
of here.
374
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,633
They're trying to stop me
from getting the message out,
okay?
375
00:30:02,767 --> 00:30:06,467
-I need more time.
-David, we gotta leave.
376
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,667
Stay with me, okay?
Stay with me!
377
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,067
Let's keep moving!
378
00:30:11,867 --> 00:30:13,800
-I need to use that PA!
-I can't authorize--
379
00:30:13,933 --> 00:30:15,767
I'm authorizing it!
380
00:30:18,867 --> 00:30:22,800
This is not an assault.
The siege is over now.
381
00:30:22,933 --> 00:30:26,733
The gas you will be smelling
is a non-lethal tear gas.
382
00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:30,600
Exit the compound now.
You will not be harmed.
383
00:30:30,733 --> 00:30:33,333
This is not an assault.
384
00:30:33,467 --> 00:30:34,967
Michelle! Michelle!
385
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,500
Get to the vault!
Go, go, go! Go!
386
00:30:43,167 --> 00:30:47,133
This is not an assault.
Exit the compound now.
387
00:30:47,267 --> 00:30:48,600
Come on, let's go.
388
00:30:54,733 --> 00:30:57,733
Come on, let's go.
Come on. Come on.
389
00:31:02,633 --> 00:31:04,067
Put this on your face, okay?
390
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,800
-Okay.
-Where are you going?
Don't leave us.
391
00:31:13,933 --> 00:31:17,067
Stay safe. I'll come back, okay?
I'll come back.
392
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,833
It's okay.
393
00:31:37,733 --> 00:31:39,067
Get back.
394
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:04,833
...has been
standing by in Waco, Texas
395
00:32:04,967 --> 00:32:06,933
for the entire duration
of the standoff.
396
00:32:07,067 --> 00:32:10,067
- She joins us now live.
- -John, about five minutes ago,
397
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,367
we saw tanks continuing
to batter the compound,
398
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:17,933
continuing to put gaping holes
into the walls of the structure.
399
00:32:18,067 --> 00:32:20,867
We saw what looked like white,
wispy smoke coming out,
400
00:32:21,067 --> 00:32:23,267
which usually is indicative
of tear gas.
401
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,167
The FBI has told us that they
are using non-lethal gas...
402
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,767
Rachel?
403
00:32:37,733 --> 00:32:39,333
Oh, my God! Rachel!
404
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:44,267
Put your hands--
Put your hands here.
405
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,233
Judy, get the kids--
get the kids out of here.
406
00:32:47,367 --> 00:32:49,667
Put your hands here.
I'm gonna pull your body out.
407
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,600
-Both of your hands, Rachel.
-I can't! Stop--
408
00:33:03,933 --> 00:33:05,933
We gotta get
to that vault.
409
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,367
Get up. I got you.
410
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,233
- My eyes!
- Cover them!
411
00:33:10,367 --> 00:33:12,667
David told us
to go to the vault, Rachel.
412
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,700
Keep your eyes covered.
413
00:33:16,767 --> 00:33:20,233
Rachel!
414
00:33:20,367 --> 00:33:21,833
No! No!
415
00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:25,733
Enough! I am getting my kids
out of here!
416
00:33:25,867 --> 00:33:28,733
We're going
to the storm shelter.
Come on, come on.
417
00:33:28,867 --> 00:33:31,167
I want to come with you!
418
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,400
Looks like the tanks
are, uh, knocking out the walls.
419
00:33:34,533 --> 00:33:37,167
I'm not sure how much longer
the structure will hold...
420
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:43,433
The FBI is reporting
they're receiving heavy gunfire
from the Branch Davidians.
421
00:33:43,567 --> 00:33:46,200
-Who's... Who's firing?
-If you're still
listening in there,
422
00:33:46,333 --> 00:33:48,367
you're lives are at stake.
423
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:50,567
Gas will be continue
to be delivered until everyone
424
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:52,100
is out of that building.
425
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:56,933
Heat signature shows people
gathering in the bunker.
426
00:33:57,067 --> 00:33:59,333
Gas isn't penetrating there.
427
00:33:59,467 --> 00:34:01,867
Gas the bunk.
I need you to gas the bunker.
428
00:34:03,067 --> 00:34:06,900
We have
no intention of entering
the building at this time.
429
00:34:37,833 --> 00:34:42,067
-Open up!
-No! No!
430
00:34:44,767 --> 00:34:48,067
No! Cyrus!
431
00:34:48,867 --> 00:34:50,167
Rachel!
432
00:34:55,167 --> 00:34:58,300
This is not an assault.
- Why isn't anyone coming out?
433
00:34:58,433 --> 00:35:02,900
They should be coming out.-
434
00:35:03,067 --> 00:35:04,667
Why aren't they coming out?
435
00:35:09,633 --> 00:35:11,233
Okay, get outside!
436
00:35:12,067 --> 00:35:13,333
Get outside!
437
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:18,867
Cyrus!
438
00:35:22,233 --> 00:35:23,967
Oh, my God!
439
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:29,067
Oh, my God! It's...
It's blocked, Rachel!
It's blocked!
440
00:35:29,833 --> 00:35:32,367
Go back! Go back!
441
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:34,067
Cyrus! Rachel!
442
00:35:44,867 --> 00:35:49,067
Serenity! Serenity!
443
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,533
- Ronnie, for the last 15 minutes...
-My God.
444
00:35:52,667 --> 00:35:55,600
...we watched this M60 vehicle,
this combat engineering vehicle,
445
00:35:55,733 --> 00:35:57,867
uh, pump tear gas in there.
446
00:35:58,067 --> 00:36:02,300
Uh, at times, as you well know,
tear gas can be incendiary.
447
00:36:20,233 --> 00:36:22,800
We have
a very large-scale fire
breaking out
448
00:36:22,933 --> 00:36:24,467
on what must be the southside,
449
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,500
right near the front side
of this building.
450
00:36:26,633 --> 00:36:29,367
Uh, these-- these are
some amazing pictures here.
451
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:34,300
Uh, a fire has broken out,
and, uh, let's just stay
with this, and...
452
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:38,733
Michelle!
453
00:36:38,867 --> 00:36:41,367
Thibs, wait! Wait!
454
00:36:51,567 --> 00:36:52,667
Michelle!
455
00:37:02,067 --> 00:37:05,333
Help me!
456
00:37:05,467 --> 00:37:08,600
Help!
457
00:37:08,733 --> 00:37:12,867
We're trapped, Rachel!
We're trapped! Help!
458
00:37:13,067 --> 00:37:18,400
Come out now! Save yourselves!
It's time to come out, David!
459
00:37:18,533 --> 00:37:23,467
Rachel, Rachel! No! No! No!
460
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,967
No!
461
00:37:58,067 --> 00:38:00,233
This is not an assault.
462
00:38:36,067 --> 00:38:40,200
Wake up! Wake up!
463
00:39:20,267 --> 00:39:22,533
Go, go, go, go, go! Go, go!
464
00:39:27,467 --> 00:39:30,633
No! Don't shoot! Don't shoot!
I'm unarmed!
465
00:39:31,533 --> 00:39:33,233
It's okay. Okay, okay!
466
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:41,433
Michelle! Michelle!
467
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,833
Michelle!
468
00:40:05,567 --> 00:40:08,233
95 people believed
to be inside this building.
469
00:40:08,367 --> 00:40:10,333
17 of those 95 people, children.
470
00:40:10,467 --> 00:40:14,100
- Oh, my God.
- -37 people have left the compound
471
00:40:14,233 --> 00:40:17,267
since the standoff began
51 days ago.
472
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,133
Oh, no. Oh, no.
473
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,100
-Michelle!
-Where are the kids? Where--
474
00:40:27,233 --> 00:40:28,567
-Michelle!
-No. Where are the kids?
475
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:30,033
-Michelle!
-Tell us! Where are the kids?
476
00:40:30,167 --> 00:40:32,633
Cyrus?
477
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,500
Get out! Get out! Get out!
478
00:41:01,267 --> 00:41:04,667
- Help! Help!
- Get out! Get out!
479
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,267
Help!
480
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,800
-We give up. We give up.
-Okay. Okay. Okay.
481
00:41:14,933 --> 00:41:16,200
We give--
482
00:41:16,333 --> 00:41:19,367
Somebody help me!
We got kids down here!
483
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,067
My son's not moving.
Is he dead? Is he dead?
484
00:41:25,167 --> 00:41:27,300
Somebody help me!
485
00:41:27,433 --> 00:41:30,700
-Just, please,
get my boy, please!
-I'm gonna get you out of there.
486
00:41:30,833 --> 00:41:34,567
Please!
487
00:41:41,067 --> 00:41:43,767
Somebody help me!
488
00:41:47,067 --> 00:41:48,300
Help!
489
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,467
Wait! Wait!
490
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,633
Wait!
491
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,800
The following persons
have come out of the compound.
492
00:45:15,933 --> 00:45:20,867
Jamie Castillo,
date of birth 6/4/68.
493
00:45:21,067 --> 00:45:24,700
Clive Doyle,
date of birth 2/24/41.
494
00:45:24,833 --> 00:45:28,500
Misty Ferguson, 16 years of age.
495
00:45:28,633 --> 00:45:33,067
Derrick Lovelock,
born 8/13/1955.
496
00:45:33,167 --> 00:45:35,967
A citizen of the United Kingdom.
497
00:45:37,133 --> 00:45:40,267
-David Thibodeau...
-Oh, yes!
498
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,100
-Yes!
-...born 2/13/69.
499
00:45:46,267 --> 00:45:49,800
There are no other
confirmed survivors
at this time.
500
00:45:52,367 --> 00:45:54,767
And I'm sorry to report
501
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:58,867
that none of the children
made it out.
502
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,067
Unfortunately...
503
00:46:03,167 --> 00:46:08,600
we were unable to prevent
this tragic mass suicide.
504
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,600
The FBI and the Branch Davidians
505
00:46:12,733 --> 00:46:16,400
each claim the other
started the fire.
506
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,133
And we may never know the truth.
507
00:46:19,267 --> 00:46:23,733
So, instead,
let's talk about
what we do know.
508
00:46:25,533 --> 00:46:29,567
Fact: Fresno, California, 1973.
509
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:31,333
A standoff
with law enforcement ends
510
00:46:31,467 --> 00:46:35,467
when tear gas turns to fire,
killing those inside.
511
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,667
Fact: Los Angeles, '74.
512
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,133
Standoff between the SLA
and law enforcement ends
513
00:46:40,267 --> 00:46:43,367
when tear gas turns to fire,
killing those inside.
514
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:48,667
Fact: '81, West Fork, Arkansas.
A standoff, tear gas,
fire, death.
515
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,133
1983, Smithfield, Arkansas.
1985, Philadelphia.
516
00:46:53,267 --> 00:46:56,500
1987, Escondido, California.
517
00:46:56,633 --> 00:46:58,067
All of them...
518
00:46:58,167 --> 00:47:03,867
standoff, tear gas,
fire, death.
519
00:47:04,667 --> 00:47:07,367
The FBI knows this happens,
520
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:11,100
and yet they made no plan...
521
00:47:11,233 --> 00:47:13,600
to put out a fire...
522
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:17,200
if one started.
523
00:47:21,833 --> 00:47:25,133
We are... all of us...
524
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:27,200
Americans.
525
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:33,800
When did we start seeing
each other as the enemy?
526
00:48:46,167 --> 00:48:47,300
Gary Noesner?
527
00:48:49,067 --> 00:48:50,633
They're ready
for your testimony.
528
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:53,867
Thank you.
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