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Everybody, David Icke. The great David Icke. David Icke.

Welcome, David. It's nice to speak to you at last.

Yeah, so our paths crossed at BBC Lime Grove Canteen in the mid -1980s. It's

been a while.

The little tray was pushed along beside you while I was working for BBC News and

Current Affairs, and you were working for Grandstand, a sports presenter. And

you remember...

BBC Breakfast Time started at Lime Grove, an amazing place.

Yeah.

It's been a while. I had a little look at Lime Grove, the background to

Lime Grove, and I was going to talk to you. And I'd forgotten, actually, that

actually Breakfast Time.

The first breakfast television show on British television actually came from

Lime Grove because I did most of my work from Television Centre just down the

road. But when I first got asked to be a

presenter on Grandstand, like I used to do a football roundup with Frank Boff.

With Frank, yeah.

David Coleman and these people.

That was at Lime Grove.

And that's when I first came across Lime Grove, actually.

And then Grandstand moved to Television Centre.

Yeah. But Lime Grove, I always had a soft spot for that because it was old.

And, of course, it had been a film centre before the BBC got it. I think it

in 1949.

And, yeah, it was a bit different, lime grove.

But I forgot how breakfast time

started there. I mean, not started there, but my entire time there was...

did. Yeah, I...

It's been a while, David, but it was 82, BBC launched a breakfast

TV service, obviously on the sofa with Frank, and you were the sports guy, and

you were there until 85.

All the time I was down the corridor, an amazing building, a labyrinth, as you

say. It used to be Gainsborough Film Studios.

I also, by the way, I also did a spot every Friday.

on Nationwide, which was also from Lime Grove.

Oh, it was, absolutely.

I was on Nationwide, absolutely, yeah.

I had quite a connection to Lime Grove, I suppose, in those days.

Yeah, you needed a ball of string to find your way around it. It was an

incredible building, and it was...

One of the most formative times of my career as a film editor and one of the

things I found is very much I worked with the BBC elite, the children

of the ruling class of Britain who didn't work in their parents' bank but

classics degree and ended up in media as the producers and management.

I'm sure you came across these people as well.

I first came to London because I was working my way up

from being a footballer finished with arthritis.

So I worked in journalism and local papers and stuff. And then I got a job

Midlands Today at Pebble Mill.

And then I was offered a job at

Newsnight.

which was from Television Centre.

And I came down and I worked for a couple of years. And that's when

saw me and offered me a job eventually.

But talking about that, we used to have people on Newsnight that we used to call

young fogies.

They were people fresh from university who were like...

25 going on 60.

You know, they were like old people before their time.

So I do remember that kind of university

background kind of person, yeah.

And when you say university, two universities, Cambridge or Oxford. I

Sheffield Polytechnic.

was the home of Oik.

And these people were very much the children of the

elite of Britain.

I mean, I don't know if you remember this, but if you ever bumped into

in the corridor and their surname was Carrington or Guinness or whatever, they

probably were the grandchildren of that family name.

And I think...

And they very much had the context.

With Panorama, I mean, I remember there was a fantastic phone book where you

could phone up you or Frank or Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saffold because they,

you know, everybody knew it. And if you wanted to book Lord Carrington, you

know, Virginia, but call her dad. You know, that's how it worked on Newsnight

and Panorama.

So do you think these people were very much... That was the way I am.

I remember much about that. But you mentioned Sheffield Polytechnic. I

went on the journalism course when I was on the Leicester Mercury to Sheffield

Polytechnic. So I was there for about a couple of months or something like that,

doing a journalism course.

And the kind of people that were kind of running the

BBC and were...

kind of you interacting with, you know, quite a lot. They weren't from my

background. I left school at 15. Oh, my.

Right. But the thing is that intelligence is not

something necessarily you can teach. It's something you have or don't.

And I found a lot of people, a lot of people I interacted with at BBC, indeed

journalism generally, you know, I mean, you know.

They weren't the brains of Britain, really.

I think it was a handy career for somebody that had a classics degree from

Cambridge or Oxford and was taken on by the BBC for a stint on Grandstand and a

stint on That's Life or whatever, to become a kind of a media person. I mean,

very much as a film editor, I would be... locked away in a room with these

people. And some of them are incredibly bright. And usually they wrote very

well. But they were mainly, I discovered, very connected.

They seem to be the kids of the elite of Britain.

And as you and I know, Britain is ruled by a small number of people who have

a very interesting belief system.

Do you think we can talk a bit more about that?

Do you think that those...

people those kids you know actually brought some of their parents or their

their own belief system to the media do you think is it the bbc was not not on

breakfast time not on grandstand but i mean generally do you think there was a

yeah a possible connection well i i once played for three months on loans

woxford united i used to pass the university um Right.

In those days. And that's as near as I got to Oxford or Cambridge. And I have

say, looking back, thank you, God.

But I would look at

the structure of Britain and its control

system. And you must include the BBC in that, not least for this reason.

The foundation of human control is control of human perception.

You have to control that because if you control perception, you control

behavior. And you control perception by controlling the information from

which people form their perceptions.

So in that sense, the media is fundamental

to the way that you...

control Britain. So of course these families are going to have their

offspring and their next generations

involved in the media among many other institutions.

So I found it frustrating at the BBC

in the kind of limits that were put on you. Because I also worked

weekend shifts doing the sport on BBC News down at Television Centre.

I liked a lot of people there.

Yeah, much more soul to the earth.

Yeah, I got on really well with them, but there were limits in the sense

that

You couldn't say certain things. I was in sport. I was observing this. I wasn't

really part of it.

There were certain things or places you couldn't go.

You know, if you cross certain lines, you know, they were not

happy or the government wasn't happy.

And so you kind of had these lines that you...

We're not supposed to cross.

And I did see from those days, indeed, I saw it in journalism in general,

that there were lines you didn't cross.

And thank goodness from when I left the BBC, it left

me actually, that suddenly I was able to

say what I thought.

and communicate what I had researched without any limits.

And that was such an unbelievable freedom from what I've experienced

I mean, yeah, I mean, Panorama was just unbelievably rife with denotices and an

enormous interest. I mean, in the 80s, when you were there at the same time as

me, it was very much the Thatcher regime. And she was absolutely

wanting to know what was on Panorama on Monday night at eight o 'clock, you

know, and we all had to keep completely quiet about it.

But the BBC very much painted a picture of Britain, as you say, that came from a

certain class at the time.

The general condition of Britain was not represented.

You know, there was no black people. There was no northerners. There was

from Scotland, as I am, you know, apart from regional television.

London was very much a elite middle class produced show that presented

a picture of Britain, which was very establishment.

And as you say, the lines in the sand that can't be crossed.

Yeah, I mean, I did experience that, that it was middle, upper middle class

perspectives wherever you kind of looked.

You know, because I don't come from that background, so it was kind of alien to

me. I came from a background that was very, what you would

call left, if you like, with my father and everything.

Right.

I'd come from a background where, you know, people were struggling. I mean, I

was brought up in a council house estate in Leicester, but my brother still

lives in the same house.

And so I had a different perspective on life. And it wasn't the perspective that

was projected by the BBC.

And it's, you know, I have a lot of problems with the whole, you know, woke

agenda. But it is good. It is good that, you know, you hear a few accents now on

the BBC.

I mean, I remember when I was joining the BBC.

or I wanted to join the BBC. Because when my football career finished, my

ambition, I had to have another ambition to get over the disappointment, and it

was to front grandstands. That was my ambition.

And so as I closed in on the BBC, I used to say to my wife, you know, if I drop,

because I come from Leicester, right?

And, you know, you drop every G and you drop every H, basically.

Or I did.

And so I used to say to her, if I drop an H or drop a G, pick me up on it. I've

got to, you know, start to talk a bit more proper.

Irish nil at Glasgow.

That's what I meant.

But I must say, you know, I look back at my time at the BBC,

especially in the early years.

with enormous affection because I arrived in the

sports department of the BBC amid, I was just a young bloke, but amid the

most amazing sports broadcasters that

there's ever been. I mean, I sat next to Frank Boff and for all his

later problems, he was a fantastic presenter.

I sat next to David Coleman, who I used to watch front in

grandstand when I was a kid.

Right. I saw Desmond Lyon arrive.

And then you had your Richard Benno on cricket, your Pedro Sullivan

on horse racing and all these people. It was an amazing.

time to be in the sports department at the BBC.

But, yeah, it came from, and I suspect still comes from,

an establishment direction.

And it takes the establishment line.

And I think, you know, these lines in the sand that we talk about, I think a

of them are unspoken.

you kind of just know, or the people that work for the BBC, they just know

there's a line you don't cross, so they don't cross it. And what tends to happen

then is you go into the most extreme form of censorship,

and that's self -censorship, where it's not the debate about whether you run

this or run that, so much as you know...

You don't even introduce it because of it's where you're not supposed to go.

And I think the BBC still operates like that. I think it does. And they

certainly they hardly know where Lester is. I mean, it's just appalling.

So while I was at Lime Grove on one filming trip, my eyes were.

wide open by a meeting with this member of the royal family, basically.

I really don't want to say who it was because they quite scared me, actually.

And in a brief moment between filming, she told me

of her belief system. And she...

Absolutely. As a utopian socialist, Labour supporter blew me off my chair by

saying, first of all, describing a system of a hive, a system of Britain

where there was elite queen bees that she was definitely said she was one of.

And everybody else was in this hive that needed occasional purging.

And you needed to get rid of the gays. You needed to get rid of the pickanies,

she called them. You needed to get rid of immigration. You needed to clear the

hive of mental illness.

And she was very much part of this. And I said, well, where did that all come

from? She said, well, that's...

I mean, I also, she said, I don't believe in Christianity, I'm a pagan,

this elite, we come from a culture where we were put in place

by an ancient alien, and we are in charge, and we're actually physically

different. What was quite interesting, and I wonder if you, is that she looked

really odd.

She had that kind of very strange inbred public, you know, posh person

face and was a weird skin and super tall.

Now, I mean, at the time, I was just like, this is really odd.

And then later on, reading your work, and I've often thought that it was, you

know, analogous, the lizard idea.

But then researching, back to Lime Grove, David Icke.

The interesting work of Nigel Neill, who wrote Quatermass in a Pit, where in the

film Quatermass in a Pit,

he actually describes as a subtext this idea, this alien lands, it breeds with

people, it makes a hive system, and he describes how the hive rises up and

to be cleared by a small group of elite.

And I went, what?

This woman sat me down on her couch with a cup of tea and completely blatantly

told me this was her belief system and this is how Britain worked.

And she was a member of the royal family. Why do you think she told you

then?

I think she liked me.

And I specifically asked her.

I was staying in her house. There's nothing personal between us. But I

her library was full of...

ancient occult books. And I was staying there in a room and I read some of them.

And over a cup of tea one afternoon, I said, you've got a fantastic library.

What's all this about this occult? And then she just said, it's real.

Me and my family, we are part of the elite that control Britain.

Her family literally, I don't want to say who it is, but literally was a

major industrialist, really amazing.

And actually the word when I say control, they were in an industry that

literally controlled Britain.

And she said, I don't have a passport. I don't use money. I fly internationally.

I'm connected to a lot of people. And she just kind of.

Was Blair very, and everybody was an oink, you know, totally

dismissive in a, you know, in a very, very upsetting way. I mean, you must

heard, you know, where did you get the same idea?

Was it from a...

Did it originate from you being told?

No. Well, yes and no. Not told by anyone from royalty, but

what happened with me is that from 1990

and 91, when I had an explosion in my head and I started to see the world

in a completely different way.

Eyes were opened.

Oh, whoa, were they?

And so what followed that awakening, if you like, was an

extraordinary synchronicity in my life where I would just

suddenly start, and it's still going on today, walk into...

information in the form of a personal experience, a book, a document, someone

I met or whatever, insiders, whistleblowers. It was extraordinary,

synchronicity of meeting these people.

And you were able, therefore, from all these sources of information, to

start to put a structure together.

Yeah. Because the way it's gone, with me is like it's almost like

someone's been handing me pieces in a jigsaw puzzle um and it

almost in the order that you can best understand it so in the early 1990s

i started all the synchronicity of information was about the fact that

Presidents and prime ministers and such like, politicians don't run the world.

It's done from what I call today, after a long time, the global

cult, which is a global network. Hard to put a name to it, thank you.

Yeah, that is a global network of secret societies, which themselves are

fiercely compartmentalised. So most people in the secret societies don't

the big picture.

You know, the old method, the CIA and what have you, use of the need

to know. You only need to know what you need to know to make your contribution.

If too many people know the big picture, the big picture gets revealed.

So it was fiercely compartmentalized. But I started to realize, this

is in the kind of early 1990s, that there was a mission control.

that there was an orchestrating force behind these secret societies.

And so then my question was, so who's been,

what is that mission control? And then I started looking back

at when this all started.

And you get comfortably back into the ancient world, which you just mentioned.

You get into Babylon, you get into ancient Rome and Egypt and such like.

And so it was clear when I realized this that there

was an orchestrating force that kind of spanned this whole period.

You know, people are born.

They play a part in advancing this agenda of human control. Then they die,

people are born, and then they take it on.

So what's the orchestrating force?

And then from the mid -1990s, I'll tell you how it started.

I went to America, not for the first time, but the first

time to talk on these subjects.

And I was talking next to nobody.

I mean, it was a very, you know, empty chairs job. But what I

experienced was, again, synchronistically coming across

loads and loads of whistleblowers and people, ex -military or

whatever, that would give me information.

The whole reptilian thing started and the whole shape -shifting thing started

when in a period of 15 days, I think it was, I

met 12 separate people and I was traveling every day. I was on a plane

to speak in a different place.

But in that period of 15 days, I met 12 separate people that told me the same

thing. But they'd seen someone who appeared to be human changing to a

reptilian type figure and then back again. Sometimes it was brief, sometimes

was longer.

And this synchronicity went on until I started to

meet people who claimed that they had taken part and been

participants.

under mind control most of the time, in satanic rituals that involve the British

royal family.

And the way it went on, because I've been doing this full

-time for 36 years now, so you do accumulate a lot of information.

And basically, what you were saying this lady told you, I

can confirm from my own research over the years.

What is royalty?

What is royalty?

And what is aristocracy?

Why do they implicitly interbreed with each other? Because, you know, you've

people who will breed with someone just to

advance the bloodline, but they really want to be with someone else. You get

that all the time in this whole arena.

What is this thing I asked about royalty and what is this about

the divine right to rule? What is this bloody divine they're talking about?

Because it ain't what people think of as God.

So then I realized that this is going way back now, that

the interbreeding was to hold a particular.

genetic structure or if you go deeper it's an information structure that's

genetics is it's information and and that um they were um if they

interbred outside of their particular genetic type then that genetic

type would get pretty quickly diluted they they they needed to keep a

genetic type why

So in the end, it was clear to me that they are hybrids. They

have dual information fields. One information field is the human

field. And that's what we interact with most of the time. But in the background

is another information field that anything but human.

And sometimes these information fields change.

It's been described to me by these people that have taken part in rituals,

instance, with the royals, that in the rituals, they shift

into their ritual, what is actually their real form.

And so to hold this hybrid bloodline, they have to

keep interbreeding with it.

Pure, yeah.

Yeah.

They are different. They are an aristocracy of offshoots of all this.

call them? We call them blue bloods. We call them. Yeah, all these names. Right.

We'll say they're different.

They're different from the rest of the population. Why do they consider

themselves different in exactly the way that you've described? This lady was

talking.

It's because they are genetically different. They're not the same species

as. as the humans in general. For me, the greatest analogy is the

beehive, because the queen bee is a bee, but she's actually genetically

different. For example, she has a stinger without a barb on it, so she can

and kill multiple people in the hive, whereas the workers have a barbed

that once they kill one, they die because it rips out their innards.

She looks the same, but she has complete control.

And the hive follow her.

Why?

Well, I have used exactly that over the years in the books. I have used that

same analogy of the beehive and the queen bee because

it's very relevant to the way the structure works. Absolutely.

Yeah. So going back to Lime Grove.

My eyes were opened up yet again by this work of Nigel Neill. Nigel is the

scriptwriter for a Quatermass series.

Yeah, yeah. And it's really interesting, David. It brought the life out of me

when I was a kid.

Well, that's exactly what I was going to talk about. Because the common...

feeling in britain only with british people that it's the most scary tv

ever made it's not that scary but somehow it connects to our ancient

actually taps into the horn devil into the idea of of cleansing and a hive and

and control and this elite all of that's in the script now i could Absolutely

fascinating. Where did Nigel Neill, who lived in Barnes and wrote it in Lime

Grove, by the way, he locked himself away in a room and wrote it and was very

friendly with the royal family.

Where did he get this idea from? Was he part of it? Did he know what the system

was and wanted to put it into a script for him?

Stanley Kubrick might have done in Eyes Wide Shut.

I mean, I think he really wanted to expose that. But the more I've learned

Nigel, Neil, is it probably came from his connections and his wife.

Nigel was from the Isle of Man, and they have a very kind of interesting pagan

history. I don't like to use that word, but, you know, ancient folk history,

which he wrote about.

But I think...

Colletomast in the pit absolutely lays out the rule book of what this woman

me, that there was a, the hive needs clearing and it's ruled by a genetically

DNA altered elite.

And she, the other thing is that she completely didn't think anything was

about it. She didn't think, you know, she treated.

oiks as oiks. They were just annoying.

It wasn't that she was questioning her own belief system. She just told me what

it was.

But these people are brought up from birth to believe what

they believe in the experience you talk about. They

are basically programmed to believe that this is what they are.

As the whole thing moved on over the 36 years, it became very

clear to me a long time ago that we're dealing with a control system that plays

out in the human band of frequency, which is all this is, through this

cult. But what this global cult is serving is another dimensional

origin.

And it's the thing that you see, you see it in the media, you see it in the so

-called education system, which is a programming system, in my view, run by

these people, that the big questions are not asked,

like, who are we? Where are we? What's the nature of reality itself?

And therefore, people are programmed to believe they live in a

physical world when it's clear it's actually physical, that we're

alone in the so -called universe when we're interpenetrated by literally

infinity in the same space that we are experiencing.

Therefore, all infinity is in the space I'm sitting in.

I'm only accessing a tiny band of frequency, which we think is the human

Now, if you and I've done this in the books, if you go into scientists

that have really sought the truth and to discover the truth rather than to

as scientific orthodoxy to.

follow the script and to follow the parameters because we talk about the

parameters of the BBC while the parameters of orthodox science, they all

the same. The parameters of religion, the parameters of political ideology,

they're all kind of parameters like limits that you don't cross and why

would the BBC be any different, I guess.

Because of all this,

People, I've said many, many times, one of the greatest forms of mind control,

perception control, is to squeeze your sense of the possible.

You can squeeze the sense of the possible. That's what the education

does. That's what orthodox science does. It squeezes the sense of the possible.

What it means is when someone comes along and says, actually, this is how it

works and this is how they're controlling you.

your squeezed sense of the possible says that's not possible, that's ridiculous,

that can't be, and that you just waved away.

Now, if you go and look at the parameters of the BBC,

there'll be one or two little exceptions here and there, the odd program, but

overwhelmingly, the BBC is setting the parameters of reality.

Totally. And therefore...

It's a massive part of this perceptual control system that

is the whole basis of this control.

You know, if 8 billion people realize what the game is and they realize the

nature of reality and they realize that this so -called elite, the last thing it

is, this elite is...

is running things, is creating the wars, is creating the conflict, is creating

the deprivation and the suffering, et cetera, then, you know, things would

change. So you've got to keep it from them. And that's... Right. That's the

establishment. That's the media. And it's brilliant that, you know, we all

and do our bit. So thank you.

David's fantastic over the years.

What's your... I mean, I get very...

have become forced into the kind of UFO and UAP community.

And I don't really like flight saucers, but I don't think we're alone in the

universe. I think there are obviously life forms out there. And the more, just

like you, my eyes have been opened by...

speaking to people who have had experiences and it's it's and their

consciousness and reality has been changed by probably a non -human

that lives here on earth what's your view on that do you think we um share

planet with a non -human intelligence and always have or do you think it's

little green men coming in flying saucers well i think i think i think um

You're talking about non -humans in your experience with this lady.

Right. They do walk among us and they are ultimately, if you go deep enough in

this global cult network, you're hitting non -humans. They're running the show.

And, you know, one of the things that really struck me when I

was investigating this in the early 90s, how this.

this global cult worked was I was starting to see people who were clearly

involved in it.

Um, and, and, you know, were famous people often that they were, was I

investigated them and followed them and talk to people who knew them and

everything. They, they were, they were taking part in satanic ritual and, um,

and sacrifice ritual.

And it was like, what, why?

Right. But then.

Then you look back and you see the ancients were doing

human sacrifice rituals as a gift to the gods.

Yeah. And I then started to meet and talk with these people that

have taken part in these rituals with this elite and got chapter and verse on

what goes on.

Yeah. Same here. Right.

the gift to the gods the interaction is between um the the human

level of this uh network and the other dimensional level it's that um

interaction that that goes on we're feeding them somehow well yeah well yes

absolutely they are uh which i'll come to in a second but the other thing that

that the people in that have were taking part in these all previously taken part

in these elite level rituals because the rituals are also very much hierarchical

they were talking about how in the most extreme of the rituals

these entities would manifest in the ritual like non -humans

and I started to realize that The reason that they do so many of these rituals

at the particular vortex points on this, what people call the ley line

or meridian grid of the earth, lots of these electromagnetic lines cross,

they create a vortex.

often you'll find a church built on there right but but you'll find

places where they do these rituals yeah kind of relate to these vortex points

and um what i kind of understood is that these vortexes what they do is they

thin out the difference between the so so if you're in that

vortex point it's easier for these entities to manifest in our reality

And I think in the sense that you were talking about there in terms of they

offers, I think that's to a very large extent that one of the major points of

why all this is going on.

You know, when I was realizing that.

these elite were taking part in satanic rituals. Obviously, you ask why, what

the hell is going on? And then you look at the ancients and gift to the gods and

you ask, well, what do the gods get out of this? What's this gift that they're

talking about?

And then as the months and years went on, you start

to realize that this...

other dimensional force and these elite are

feeding off low vibrational human energy because it's well known

even in mainstream science that when we feel emotion or whatever

we're thinking, we're generating frequencies.

I mean, the brain is constantly processing information through frequency

electricity, etc.

Now, when we're giving off these frequencies,

energy, we call them vibes. Oh, I've got bad vibes from him. Oh, I've got good

vibes from him. Or whatever.

Sure. We have words for it. Yeah, you can't hide your vibe.

You can hide it with your facial expression and you can see, oh, your

Oh, he seems a nice bloke to me, but it's just something about him.

Well, yeah, I know. We pick up on that. This is the vibe level. So this energy

is what these entities are feeding off.

And it's particularly low vibrational energy

based around fear.

anxiety, depression, regret, resentment, hatred, war, conflict of

all kinds.

And so what do you do if you're feeding

off that kind of energy? You constantly seek to create events within

the human world that will...

create a response from your target population that will generate that low

vibrational energy. This is why the world is made to be like that on

purpose. And so when you're doing a satanic ritual, they

are building up the terror in the victim

because they

If I look at you and you're in an emotional state, a really low vibration

emotional state, I can see it in your facial expression and I can see it in

body language, but I can't see the vibes going off.

I can feel them, but I can't see them because they're not in this dimension of

reality that we are visually aware of. They're going into this other dimension,

what's called the astral dimension.

And these entities that are overseeing the ritual from that dimension, they're

feeding off these vibes that are being given off. This is the gift of the gods.

And there's a reason I talk about in the books why they particularly want

children. Yeah, the innocence of the child has a more pure vibe

and terror.

Yeah, well, it has.

This is why pedophilia and communism are fundamentally connected, because they

want the energy of children, ideally before puberty.

And so what they do is they take the innocence of children before

puberty, and then the abuse of them, either violent abuse, sexual abuse,

or both.

puts that energy of the child into a very low vibrational state.

And that's the energy they want, low vibrational energy of children.

I mean, they'll do it with others and they can absorb the population in

but that's really... That's the cream of the cream.

Yeah, that's what they... That's their nectar, if you like, that they're

for. And so...

In a satanic ritual, overwhelmingly children, not always by any means, but

that's what they want.

You're putting terror in the children. Now, that terror is a very powerful, low

vibrational energy, which they're giving off.

And these entities are feeding off it. And another thing that happens is that

that terror triggers an adrenaline to enter the blood.

And that's what the that's what the Satanists conducted the ritual in the

world. That's what they drink. And it's called adrenochrome, which is what

people have, you know, researched.

It's like Washington, you know.

So so this is this is what they're doing. They're feeding off of it. So if

imagine Gaza since October the 7th. Yeah, exactly.

And all these other... Or any conflict, right? Any conflict.

Look at global war. Look at the First World War, the Second World War. Oh,

And deprivation.

Before I started getting banned from loads of countries, which I am now, I

traveled the world a lot after 1990.

A real lot. I mean, I went to loads and loads and loads of different countries

and continents.

And most of the world is not having a good time.

It's trying to struggle to the end of the day or the end of the week or the

of the month.

It's trying to survive. It's what it's trying to do all the time. And

interestingly, the survival mechanism within the human body.

is the reptilian brain in the back of the brain here, from

which we get fight or flight, from which we get the

scanning. The reptilian brain is scanning the environment for threats to

survival, and not just physical survival, survival of relationships.

of a marriage, of a job, whatever.

Now, if you look at the world and you see how many people are

in a state of survival, almost permanently, they're giving this stuff

off. It must be collectively absolutely fantastic what humans are doing.

Something's feeding on this energy.

They're feeding off it, yeah.

We're the ant farm of...

Yeah. Oh, God.

That's exactly right.

I mean, do you think that we are getting closer to understanding the

science behind this?

Looking at experiences I've seen...

cryptic creatures and weird things in the UFO community it seems that a lot of

them seem to be having experience where their consciousness is being altered by

something that can alter our reality by altering our perception of our

connection to consciousness and I think David, in 2026, we're getting a bit

closer. Wonderful people like Sir Roger Penrose, who's an open -minded

scientist, is now looking at consciousness.

And, you know, that wonderful work from Stuart Hameroff, who understands how you

can saw somebody's leg off by making them unconscious.

And, you know, what is consciousness?

I think I'm actually quite...

Quite positive that obviously what you describe is real and I think we're

beginning to understand it.

Have you got a hearing anything like that?

Well, yeah, I mean when I when I started out And I was coming to these

conclusions a long time ago. Yeah, I mean To say the least it weren't

circulating

And people thought you were bloody mad.

But what I've seen, especially since about 2016,

there are others in earlier, but in the public arena that people are aware

of, if you like, since about 2016, more and more mainstream scientists have

started to start to question the version of reality that we're supposed to

believe in.

Because, you know, if you are an entity in another dimension

and you are manipulating this human reality by this global cult,

well, there's two things you don't want the population to know. And both come

down to this.

We mustn't let them know what we're doing.

So what we have is, and I know this from my own experience,

when you say to people, more and more people are open now,

more than ever before, as you rightly say.

But when you say to people, this is what's happening and this is how they're

doing it, again, you get that, that's ridiculous, that's impossible.

The reason is, I mean, I know, like I say, from my own experience, the number

bloody subjects I've had to research in 36 years to put

this together is absolutely fantastic and key, key to understanding all of

it, which is why what we call the alternative media is so myopic, in my

and not every part of it, but most of it.

is the nature of reality itself.

Totally. If we don't understand the nature of reality, the nature of

consciousness, then we can't understand what's going on.

And it's that they're trying to marginalize. And orthodox science, with

limits, it operates like a religion.

They have done a wonderful job of suppressing this.

The dyke is springing leaks now, as you rightly say.

It is.

I've seen that. I mean, not only did I work in Panorama, I went to work on

Horizon and science programs.

And it was very established science.

I mean, we pushed boundaries occasionally, but it was all within

the BBC's normality.

But since being an independent science journalist, the people I've talked to

people talk about things like.

remote viewing.

And, you know, I've spoken in length to people like Uri Geller, who explains how

it works. You know, when he says, well, you can do it, we can all do it. When

you say you have a gut feeling, what you're doing is actually, you're

tapping into a universal consciousness.

You can look through time.

That's how it works. I mean, he explained that anything that happened to

the future that was emotionally memorable, he could recall in the past.

I mean, it was a simple trick as that. I mean, we all have that ability. And I

think it's coming out slowly as the dam is breaking.

So you've done a great job in bringing it to people.

What they're seeking to do now is to...

connect artificial intelligence with the human brain right they're openly

talking about it for this very reason they um want to

stop this exploration this um this

looking at reality in a completely different way Because in the end, the

start to drop and literally the scales drop from the eyes.

And you start to see it for what it is.

So they want to connect the human brain to artificial intelligence. So

artificial intelligence becomes the human mind. And so we won't be asking

like, who am I? Where am I? What is this place?

How did I get here? What happens after all these things?

We won't be asking those questions.

And this is where they're really going. This is what the AI thing is really all

about. It's AI -human fusion to make AI

become the human perceptual processes.

That's what it's about.

Oh, yeah.

And this is how I see it.

I say we're in a simulation, this is a simulated reality, and it's a simulated

reality created by this non -human force. And what it

is, is a field of information, a field of information, and

it's interactive.

So it's affecting us and our sense of reality, and we, as we awaken,

are impacting upon it which is which is why the more people that awaken the more

um we we change the reality of so many other people like you know the hundredth

monkey syndrome and all that which is very easily explainable right and so um

this simulation has been created to um impose upon

the target population consciousness

a fake reality, and crucially, a fake self -identity.

Because the fake self -identity they want us to believe is one of two things.

We are either a human who comes out of

nowhere and the lights go out at the end of life, or we are a human

subject to the...

the diktats and the demands of a, of a quote of God, which means

we're down here and, and, and the almighty is up there.

And, and the, the idea is to disconnect

what I call body mind. Right.

Expand expansion, expanded consciousness.

Because once you expand your consciousness and you allow yourself to

beyond the limits of this matrix simulation, you start to tap in

to the infinity of awareness, knowledge, insight that is beyond this matrix.

And suddenly, and I've seen it happen to so many people who've been through this

process, they look at the world again and they think.

why didn't i see it before it's so bloody obvious what's going on i think

all do it i mean i think there's good science that you know you and i are made

of Big stuff, atoms that are joined together, but our atoms internally are

subatomic and exist in a quantum universe which is timeless and is

So this kind of religious, maybe modern religious idea of a god or

an overriding...

entity which we're all part of i mean it's a kind of combination of religion

hippiness is um is actually true we are internalized we are made of

subatomic stuff that connects to a timeless universe um and i think there's

mechanisms in all creatures

probably plants as well, that we can actually tap into that quantum level of

universe which is all connected.

You notice, too, that most religions, the major ones anyway,

the biggest blasphemy is to say I'm an expression of, quote, God.

You can't say that.

Because they don't want us to think that. They want us to think we are here

the rest of reality is there when, as you rightly say, everything is

But what this conspiracy, this non -human conspiracy

in all its forms, is trying to do is to isolate, is to entrap our

attention, thus perception.

on a fake reality.

And this is how I say it's done.

I'd say that the human body is a biological computer.

I'd say it's programmed with not only all the constant

tweaks that it does constantly in relation to environmental changes, but

it's also carrying...

Psychological traits, psychological programs, fight or flight in reaction

to danger is a prime example.

But there's endless others. What I found interesting as I did travel the world

into all these different cultures and what have you, is how people react the

same in the same situations often.

Overwhelmingly, it's kind of ridiculous. Different religions, different culture,

same reactions.

And I say that the body, the biological computer, if we don't tap into

consciousness, the true I, the biological computer is dictating

our lives.

And this is why, you know, when you look at people, again, worldwide, but, you

know, anywhere.

the reactions are the same. There is this secular kind

of lifestyle where things just keep repeating over and over again.

And it's because I say that this is the program that's running through the

biological computer. Now, when you break out of mind, you literally...

open your mind open your body mind to the true eye consciousness which they're

trying to um disconnect us from separate us from its influence anyway um then

suddenly you start to you start to see the world in a completely different way

and of course people that are still dominated by body mind they call you mad

yeah you get names calling yeah no exactly but they can't They can't

and you understand it, they can't grasp what you're saying because what you're

saying is not in that program. You have to have some openness to consciousness

before you can start seeing it. And what the great thing is, which you kind of

indicate, is that, you know, when I started out 36 years ago, I couldn't

phone box with interest.

But now it's dramatically different. And people are now starting to...

open their minds to possibilities, shall we say, that they would never have

been open to before.

And that is a sign that people are becoming more conscious beyond the

But others, of course, are going deeper in the program. You can see the

difference in 30 seconds.

Yeah, well, David, I think you have successfully taken the corner of that

curtain.

pulled it up and we now have seen the man behind the curtain i mean i think i

really think that we are very lucky to still be alive after our uh our meals in

lime grove and our time time in the bbc in the 1980s i really think david that

in 2026 on the next few years we're going to understand our bigger picture

the universe and i just hope the bastards don't kind of Push us down.

really important that you keep on doing your work and that science is more open

-minded and we talk about these subjects.

So I'm blown away by your dedication over the years to

actually reveal this against the odds.

And today you've got a few phone boxes full of people, so well done.

Yeah, it is different now.

It's so different now.

I mean, you know, I got used to talking to a room of empty chairs for a long,

long time. But it is different now because, you know, I think there is an

awakening going on. And I think that's the reason that they are rushing through

this AI lockdown of consciousness to try to head this

off.

If they take too long to do it, then the house of cards will come down.

Because, you know, you mentioned there about, you know, pulling back the

curtain. You know that scene in The Wizard of Oz?

Sure. Which was so full of symbolism. Oh, right.

But you had the fear of this person.

Pulling levers, right. Yeah.

It was just, oh, the booming voice and all that. Oh, my God.

And the wizard. And then when the curtains pull back, there's this old

guy pulling things.

Right. And it's like, that's what it's like, you know?

And what does he shout? He shouts, ignore the man behind the curtain. You

exactly, you know.

I'm manipulating your reality. Don't look at me. Yeah, no, it's a fantastic

scene. I'll tell you from my own research and my own experience.

Right. This force, which people, when they first learn about it,

become fearful of it, it's the man behind the curtain. The man behind the

curtain has no power over you unless...

you a don't know he exists and b you give your power to him

and you know the biggest uh that that these people do not have power

the power that they recycle back against us is the power we give to them

in the form of acquiescence and if you look through history the whole story

of humanity

is acquiescence to authority, acquiescence to the king, acquiescence

government, acquiescence to local government, whatever.

It's acquiescence. And it's acquiescence that tells us where the real power

is. It's with us.

So what they have to do is divide and rule us.

They have to get us limited by very unquestioning, rigid belief systems,

religious, political, whatever, scientific, orthodoxy. Media, yeah.

Yeah, media.

The media spans the lot of them. So we have limits on

our perception of reality, and we don't go there. We don't go there. So you've

got science, orthodox science.

If you go beyond the walls of orthodox science, you're a pseudoscientist or you

are dabbling in the paranormal.

If you go beyond the limits of the religion story, whichever religion

you know, they basically work the same. Then you're a blasphemer or an infidel

or whatever.

And so it's the same system.

If you're, say, a socialist or you're a right winger in politics.

If you go beyond the walls of what's perceived to be a socialist or right

-winger, then the people that you were a part of turn against you.

And so most people don't want that, so they stay within the fold and keep their

mouth shut and their head down and just follow whatever the group think is. This

is how it's done.

And if we just allow ourselves – and what's the – What's the common theme of

all these different belief systems?

Don't go into that area of hidden knowledge. That's all the occult means.

knowledge, right. You can use occult knowledge for dire reasons, and they do,

or you can use it to set us free. It's just the same knowledge. It's how you

it. There's nothing wrong with a microphone. It's how you use it. Same

notebook or a printing press. It's how you use it.

And so you've got this common theme of all these belief systems are

resisting people going into this hidden area that they don't want us to

see, which the overall control system doesn't want us to see. And all people

like me have done is say, well, sod that for a game of soldiers.

I'm going.

And if you don't like it, we'll do the other thing. That's all right with me as

well. And then you start to explore the hidden and you go, whoa.

So that's what the world's like, really.

And that's all it is. It's deciding what you want to

explore rather than having what you want to explore imposed upon you. That's the

difference between being...

Having literally a free mind and having one that's subject to

control. Being in the hive, yeah.

Yeah, being in the hive, exactly.

So what are you up to right now? You're about

to have an event this week?

Well, we've got a...

a media platform called iconic .com where I do shows for them every week.

I've got my website, davidite .com.

I'm on social media a lot. I just use any vehicle I can to get this

out. Good.

And I've got a massive event, up to 7 ,000 people, Nottingham Arena

in Maine. Right, good.

May next year, which will be a tremendous gathering of open -minded

which will have a big impact on the field, if you like, that collective of

open -minded people. And there'll be a lot more open -minded by then.

And you just do everything you can. Of course, I write books.

My latest one is called The Roadmap, which puts all this dot connecting

together.

Yeah. Thank you for your service, as I would say to somebody.

David, it's a pleasure to talk to you.

You need to find your way back now from TC1 down through Telecine, down through

the back staircase to the Lime Grove reception. And maybe there's a nice

limousine waiting to take you home. It was a bloody maze. I can't tell you that

place was, but it was.

It was lived in.

You know, I always preferred Lime Grove because Television Centre was

a bit sterile in its place, whereas Lime Grove was kind of lived in and had

quite a long history, didn't it?

I certainly lived there.

On News and Current Affairs, we were there at three o 'clock in the morning

a box of sandwiches.

You know, it was just like, oh, great.

The panorama came from there, didn't it?

Yeah, yeah, sure, for the entire run.

I remember being in the canteen with a guy who was talking

on the table with a very young Jeremy Paxman.

I know Jeremy very well, right, right, exactly.

A very young Jeremy Paxman, so that's how far back I had to go as well.

Yeah. Yeah. No, no. Jeremy and his wife are very good filmmakers.

And yeah, no.

Yeah. I look back at that era and certainly have got many, still many

there. But I also see it very much as a as a upper middle class controlled

environment that was controlling levers behind the curtain. Yeah. Yeah.

Thank you for today.

I'm glad we finally connected after only a few years ago, wasn't it? And

let's keep in touch.

It was really nice talking to you. You brought back a lot of memories of that

period of my life, which they've gone, like breakfast time.

Oh, yeah, it came from lime groats.

So, yeah, it's been a pleasure. Yeah, great.

I really think we are living in an interesting time right now. I think I'm

positive that we are going to get some disclosure and revelations that will

people's minds even more. But you have set the groundwork for that over the

years so much. So thank you again.

Pleasure, mate. See you, Simon. Bye.

Bye.