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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,624 --> 00:00:06,799 ♪ 2 00:00:07,628 --> 00:00:09,526 Serj is Armenian. 3 00:00:09,561 --> 00:00:11,701 Like most Armenians around the world, 4 00:00:11,735 --> 00:00:14,531 he wasn't born in Armenia. 5 00:00:20,261 --> 00:00:24,058 Armenia remains a dream, a subject of stories, 6 00:00:24,093 --> 00:00:27,441 yet still, against all odds, a place. 7 00:00:27,475 --> 00:00:30,616 ♪ You, what do you own the world? ♪ 8 00:00:30,651 --> 00:00:32,584 ♪ How do you own disorder 9 00:00:32,618 --> 00:00:34,413 ♪ Disorder 10 00:00:34,448 --> 00:00:37,244 ♪ Somewhere between the sacred silence ♪ 11 00:00:37,278 --> 00:00:40,454 ♪ Sacred silence and sleep 12 00:00:40,488 --> 00:00:46,322 ♪ Disorder, disorder 13 00:00:48,289 --> 00:00:50,602 ♪ I took a walk 14 00:00:50,636 --> 00:00:54,985 ♪ Through this beautiful world ♪ 15 00:00:55,020 --> 00:00:59,645 ♪ Felt the cool rain on my shoulder ♪ 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:06,273 ♪ Found something good in this beautiful world ♪ 17 00:01:06,307 --> 00:01:11,105 ♪ I felt the rain getting colder ♪ 18 00:01:12,589 --> 00:01:15,765 ♪ Sha la la la la la 19 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:18,768 ♪ Sha la la la la la la 20 00:01:18,802 --> 00:01:21,667 ♪ Sha la la la la 21 00:01:21,702 --> 00:01:26,845 ♪ Sha la la la la la 22 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:53,043 Armenia is a small land-locked Christian nation 23 00:01:53,078 --> 00:01:56,357 surrounded by mostly non-Christian neighbors. 24 00:01:56,392 --> 00:02:00,430 Azerbaijan over there, Iran down there, 25 00:02:00,465 --> 00:02:03,364 and Turkey right there. 26 00:02:03,399 --> 00:02:05,677 Turkey and relations with Turkey 27 00:02:05,711 --> 00:02:07,610 and the Armenian people's terrible history 28 00:02:07,644 --> 00:02:09,543 with that country being the central 29 00:02:09,577 --> 00:02:12,891 and defining issue of Armenian identity 30 00:02:12,925 --> 00:02:15,031 and a present-day political reality 31 00:02:15,065 --> 00:02:20,485 103 years after what just about anyone would call genocide. 32 00:02:20,519 --> 00:02:24,213 Turkey has always adamantly denied that, 33 00:02:24,247 --> 00:02:27,526 saying it was simply a messy war. 34 00:02:30,909 --> 00:02:33,498 Yerevan is the capital of Armenia, 35 00:02:33,532 --> 00:02:36,708 a city of about one million people. 36 00:02:36,742 --> 00:02:38,227 Mount Ararat looms over it, 37 00:02:38,261 --> 00:02:40,988 a cultural touchstone and a constant reminder 38 00:02:41,022 --> 00:02:44,474 of what was done on the other side. 39 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,343 Think of Armenia, and chances are 40 00:02:51,378 --> 00:02:53,759 you think instead of an Armenian, 41 00:02:53,794 --> 00:02:58,074 maybe someone you know or maybe someone on TV. 42 00:02:58,108 --> 00:03:01,595 These guys, for instance, famous Armenians. 43 00:03:01,629 --> 00:03:03,838 We needed an Armenian. 44 00:03:03,873 --> 00:03:06,841 I needed an Armenian to push me over the edge, 45 00:03:06,876 --> 00:03:08,326 help me find a window, 46 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,224 a lens with which to look at a country 47 00:03:10,259 --> 00:03:12,951 which, for some reason, I'd managed to not visit 48 00:03:12,985 --> 00:03:14,780 on my travels. 49 00:03:14,815 --> 00:03:16,782 Then, this guy reached out... 50 00:03:16,817 --> 00:03:20,441 Serj Tankian, front man for the Armenian-American band 51 00:03:20,476 --> 00:03:22,581 System of a Down. 52 00:03:22,616 --> 00:03:26,344 And the whole thing started to fall into place. 53 00:03:26,378 --> 00:03:30,279 Serj first visited Armenia 17 years ago. 54 00:03:30,313 --> 00:03:32,384 Since then, he's performed a number of shows, 55 00:03:32,419 --> 00:03:34,386 including one with System of a Down 56 00:03:34,421 --> 00:03:38,252 during the centennial of the Armenian genocide. 57 00:03:38,287 --> 00:03:39,978 We meet up at Dolmama, 58 00:03:40,012 --> 00:03:41,600 his favorite restaurant in Yerevan, 59 00:03:41,635 --> 00:03:45,294 and right away I identify a potential problem. 60 00:03:45,328 --> 00:03:47,088 Well, my first question is: 61 00:03:47,123 --> 00:03:48,987 I understand you're a pescatarian? 62 00:03:49,021 --> 00:03:51,472 - Yeah. - How does one... 63 00:03:51,507 --> 00:03:54,234 You're like, "What the fuck are you doing?" 64 00:03:54,268 --> 00:03:55,649 This is a land-locked country 65 00:03:55,683 --> 00:03:57,961 in the heart of, like, meat on a stick zone. 66 00:03:57,996 --> 00:03:59,998 Well, I'm interested to see 67 00:04:00,032 --> 00:04:01,682 how you navigate your way through this week. 68 00:04:01,689 --> 00:04:05,175 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we've got amazing trout. 69 00:04:05,210 --> 00:04:07,005 And lots of great veggies. 70 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:08,731 I'm just busting your balls. 71 00:04:08,765 --> 00:04:10,905 Of course you are. 72 00:04:10,940 --> 00:04:12,907 So how Armenian are you? I mean... 73 00:04:12,942 --> 00:04:14,005 That's a really good question. 74 00:04:14,012 --> 00:04:15,427 You were born in... 75 00:04:15,462 --> 00:04:17,326 Yeah, I was born in Beirut, grew up in I.A. 76 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,294 I'm Armenian by culture. Both my parents are Armenian. 77 00:04:20,329 --> 00:04:24,022 My grandparents, you know, ended up in Syria and Lebanon 78 00:04:24,056 --> 00:04:25,610 because of the genocide. 79 00:04:25,644 --> 00:04:26,956 And how Armenian am I? 80 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:28,785 That's a really good question, man. 81 00:04:28,820 --> 00:04:31,167 The majority of Armenians that live in the Diaspora 82 00:04:31,201 --> 00:04:32,686 didn't voluntarily migrate. 83 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,171 You know, they were... They were forced migrations, 84 00:04:35,205 --> 00:04:37,449 pogroms, you know, after the genocide. 85 00:04:37,484 --> 00:04:39,064 So they ended up in the Middle East and Europe 86 00:04:39,071 --> 00:04:40,694 and different parts of the world. 87 00:04:40,728 --> 00:04:44,698 So, we have this kind of feeling of being kicked out, 88 00:04:44,732 --> 00:04:48,046 and that longing is different than other diasporas I think 89 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,703 because of that. 90 00:04:49,737 --> 00:04:52,153 Diaspora Armenian communities, 91 00:04:52,188 --> 00:04:54,328 wherever they are, have been held together 92 00:04:54,363 --> 00:04:56,330 by deep feelings of nationalism 93 00:04:56,365 --> 00:04:58,470 and injustice for what happened to them 94 00:04:58,505 --> 00:05:03,372 and how the world refused to acknowledge it. 95 00:05:03,406 --> 00:05:05,477 Dolmama specializes in modern versions 96 00:05:05,512 --> 00:05:08,238 of Armenian classic dishes. 97 00:05:08,273 --> 00:05:10,344 Khashlama, a braised lamb shank 98 00:05:10,379 --> 00:05:12,312 served with rice pilaf. 99 00:05:12,346 --> 00:05:14,141 It's a big little snack. 100 00:05:14,175 --> 00:05:15,901 That is a leg of... 101 00:05:15,936 --> 00:05:18,904 a leg of lamb, a little guy, yes. 102 00:05:18,939 --> 00:05:20,906 Yeah. 103 00:05:20,941 --> 00:05:23,737 Wow. It's pretty too. 104 00:05:23,771 --> 00:05:26,705 So manti is like my grandmother used to make it, 105 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:28,466 but it looks completely different than this 106 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:30,226 because this is vegetarian manti. 107 00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:34,368 They're like little boats with spices and onions. 108 00:05:34,403 --> 00:05:37,198 You probably thank Genghis Khan for this. 109 00:05:37,233 --> 00:05:38,579 The dumplings. 110 00:05:38,614 --> 00:05:40,270 He made it happen. 111 00:05:40,305 --> 00:05:42,300 He took all the manuscripts, killed a million people but... 112 00:05:42,307 --> 00:05:44,827 - But he left you dumplings. - He left... yeah. 113 00:05:44,861 --> 00:05:47,036 Mmm, that's awesome. 114 00:05:47,070 --> 00:05:49,038 Yeah, this is what my soul needed. 115 00:05:49,072 --> 00:05:51,903 Good. 116 00:05:51,937 --> 00:05:54,423 What was it like coming back the first time? 117 00:05:54,457 --> 00:05:56,286 And how old were you, and what was it like? 118 00:05:56,321 --> 00:05:57,909 I had a mystical connection 119 00:05:57,943 --> 00:05:59,428 because I had never been to Armenia. 120 00:05:59,462 --> 00:06:01,775 And we had only read about it in books per se, you know. 121 00:06:01,809 --> 00:06:04,191 Modern Armenia is different 122 00:06:04,225 --> 00:06:06,538 than what I had thought of, you know, 123 00:06:06,573 --> 00:06:09,438 because it's thriving, it's young, you know. 124 00:06:09,472 --> 00:06:13,131 It's got a lot of interesting dynamics. 125 00:06:13,165 --> 00:06:16,583 And I remember the first time I flew back to I.A. 126 00:06:16,617 --> 00:06:19,206 the feeling that I got getting out of the plane 127 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,139 is "Why am I back here?" 128 00:06:21,173 --> 00:06:24,314 Like, it was a weird thing where it's this... 129 00:06:24,349 --> 00:06:27,145 Inescapable feeling of kind of the land 130 00:06:27,179 --> 00:06:28,457 having some kind of pull 131 00:06:28,491 --> 00:06:29,906 on your blood or something like that. 132 00:06:29,941 --> 00:06:32,150 Genealogy, I don't know what it is. 133 00:06:32,184 --> 00:06:35,567 Do you think that Armenia looks to the West for anything? 134 00:06:35,602 --> 00:06:36,810 Yes, definitely. 135 00:06:36,844 --> 00:06:38,294 I think, you know, culturally 136 00:06:38,328 --> 00:06:39,709 Armenia is very European. 137 00:06:39,744 --> 00:06:42,402 - Culturally? But... - Culturally. 138 00:06:42,436 --> 00:06:44,542 Politically, it's very much tied into Russia. 139 00:06:44,576 --> 00:06:46,475 Not just as an ex-Soviet republic, 140 00:06:46,509 --> 00:06:48,891 but there's a lot of economic investment from Russia, 141 00:06:48,925 --> 00:06:52,170 and Russia, obviously, based on the last two world wars 142 00:06:52,204 --> 00:06:54,483 is extremely... what's the word... 143 00:06:54,517 --> 00:06:57,451 They're very afraid of their borders, let's say. 144 00:06:57,486 --> 00:06:59,729 Yes, they are acutely sensitive... 145 00:06:59,764 --> 00:07:03,423 - Acutely sensitive. - To particularly this area. 146 00:07:09,498 --> 00:07:12,673 There are three million Armenians living in Armenia, 147 00:07:12,708 --> 00:07:15,780 another eight million around the world. 148 00:07:15,814 --> 00:07:17,506 Ever since the genocide, 149 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:21,475 it's been a long, existential struggle for survival. 150 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:24,927 Recent history is defined by three major events... 151 00:07:24,961 --> 00:07:26,998 A massive earthquake in 1988, 152 00:07:27,032 --> 00:07:31,140 followed by the collapse of the USSR in 1991, 153 00:07:31,174 --> 00:07:35,455 and then a full-scale war with Azerbaijan in 1992. 154 00:07:35,489 --> 00:07:38,319 Not to mention limited employment opportunities 155 00:07:38,354 --> 00:07:40,494 and most significantly its borders, 156 00:07:40,529 --> 00:07:43,221 of which approximately 80% have been closed 157 00:07:43,255 --> 00:07:45,361 due to relationships with its Turkish 158 00:07:45,395 --> 00:07:47,501 and Azeri neighbors. 159 00:07:47,536 --> 00:07:50,780 Things have not been easy for Armenians. 160 00:07:53,818 --> 00:07:55,958 ♪ 161 00:07:55,992 --> 00:07:58,408 On a hillside overlooking Yerevan sits 162 00:07:58,443 --> 00:08:02,758 a sprawling memorial to the genocide of 1915. 163 00:08:04,863 --> 00:08:07,797 On the other side of town, another memorial, 164 00:08:07,832 --> 00:08:11,145 the Yerevan Cascade. 165 00:08:11,180 --> 00:08:14,183 Richard Giragosian is an American-born professor 166 00:08:14,217 --> 00:08:18,532 and political analyst who now lives here in Armenia. 167 00:08:18,567 --> 00:08:20,569 How many were lost during this? 168 00:08:20,603 --> 00:08:23,364 Most estimates historically 169 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:25,850 put it around 1.5 million. 170 00:08:25,884 --> 00:08:27,437 That's a lot of people. 171 00:08:27,472 --> 00:08:30,268 Especially a lot of people when we look at the per capita, 172 00:08:30,302 --> 00:08:32,442 when we look at the impact this had. 173 00:08:32,477 --> 00:08:36,343 So, what happened? 174 00:08:36,377 --> 00:08:38,828 In the early 20th Century, 175 00:08:38,863 --> 00:08:40,934 what was historically western Armenia 176 00:08:40,968 --> 00:08:43,212 was under the control of the Ottoman Empire, 177 00:08:43,246 --> 00:08:45,041 present day Turkey. 178 00:08:45,076 --> 00:08:48,113 Justifying their actions by the widely held sentiment 179 00:08:48,148 --> 00:08:50,460 that Christian Armenians would align themselves 180 00:08:50,495 --> 00:08:52,877 with a hostile and also Christian Russia, 181 00:08:52,911 --> 00:08:55,189 then undergoing its second revolution 182 00:08:55,224 --> 00:08:56,950 and threatening their borders, 183 00:08:56,984 --> 00:09:00,125 the Turks rounded up Armenian intellectuals 184 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,059 and summarily executed them. 185 00:09:03,094 --> 00:09:06,615 Military and police units were dispatched to the countryside 186 00:09:06,649 --> 00:09:09,687 to drive out Armenians from their villages. 187 00:09:09,721 --> 00:09:12,448 They hanged local leaders in the town squares, 188 00:09:12,482 --> 00:09:15,140 burned churches, destroyed manuscripts, 189 00:09:15,175 --> 00:09:18,592 then marched anyone left towards the Syrian desert, 190 00:09:18,627 --> 00:09:21,664 deliberately starving them along the way. 191 00:09:23,528 --> 00:09:27,912 Those who survived scattered across the globe. 192 00:09:27,946 --> 00:09:30,293 They formed large and vibrant communities 193 00:09:30,328 --> 00:09:32,226 that survive today. 194 00:09:32,261 --> 00:09:34,815 They never forgot the past 195 00:09:34,850 --> 00:09:36,990 and who and what had pushed them 196 00:09:37,024 --> 00:09:38,750 from their homeland. 197 00:09:43,790 --> 00:09:46,102 Let's start with this: genocide. 198 00:09:46,137 --> 00:09:49,174 Many people seem awfully and curiously reluctant 199 00:09:49,209 --> 00:09:50,590 to use this word. 200 00:09:50,624 --> 00:09:54,110 As American national foreign policy, 201 00:09:54,145 --> 00:09:56,009 we use what, "catastrophe"? 202 00:09:56,043 --> 00:09:58,528 Yeah, a "regrettable series of incidents." 203 00:09:58,563 --> 00:10:00,358 - Yeah, how insulting. - Yes. 204 00:10:00,392 --> 00:10:01,601 But, I mean, it seems to me, 205 00:10:01,635 --> 00:10:02,947 just as a casual observer, 206 00:10:02,981 --> 00:10:05,846 anytime a state actor or organization 207 00:10:05,881 --> 00:10:08,504 makes a concerted and organized effort 208 00:10:08,538 --> 00:10:12,370 to eradicate any ethnic or national group 209 00:10:12,404 --> 00:10:14,683 that... that's genocide, right? 210 00:10:14,717 --> 00:10:17,375 Yes, what's important though, however, 211 00:10:17,409 --> 00:10:20,205 is this is our defining issue. 212 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,276 This is the unifying issue, 213 00:10:22,311 --> 00:10:23,553 and it's probably in many ways 214 00:10:23,588 --> 00:10:26,764 the only defining issue, both good and bad. 215 00:10:26,798 --> 00:10:30,215 For Armenians, both Diaspora and living here? 216 00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:32,390 Yes, it's the fact that, yes, 217 00:10:32,424 --> 00:10:35,704 my grandfather's a survivor, every family's touched. 218 00:10:35,738 --> 00:10:38,568 But it's not the personal. It's also the political. 219 00:10:38,603 --> 00:10:41,951 If Turkey wasn't so adamant about denying 220 00:10:41,986 --> 00:10:43,712 the historical accuracy, 221 00:10:43,746 --> 00:10:46,059 this is what makes it a living issue, 222 00:10:46,093 --> 00:10:47,405 a present issue. 223 00:10:47,439 --> 00:10:49,234 - Going forward... - Mmm-hmm? 224 00:10:49,269 --> 00:10:52,341 Do you think there will be some kind of reconciliation? 225 00:10:52,375 --> 00:10:53,998 Well, I'm a little more positive. 226 00:10:54,032 --> 00:10:55,724 This is now the turning point, 227 00:10:55,758 --> 00:10:59,037 Armenia looking to normalize relations with Turkey 228 00:10:59,072 --> 00:11:02,247 not because of the genocide but despite the genocide. 229 00:11:02,282 --> 00:11:03,593 Do you have any expectation 230 00:11:03,628 --> 00:11:05,734 of fruitful negotiations with Erdogan? 231 00:11:05,768 --> 00:11:07,805 It seems to me that things have... 232 00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:09,530 kind of taken a downward turn. 233 00:11:09,565 --> 00:11:12,741 They have, but it was never supposed to be that easy 234 00:11:12,775 --> 00:11:14,743 or that quick. 235 00:11:14,777 --> 00:11:17,746 We also need to go beyond victimization 236 00:11:17,780 --> 00:11:22,371 and to take more pride in survival. 237 00:11:22,405 --> 00:11:24,373 ♪ 238 00:11:49,294 --> 00:11:52,884 ♪ 239 00:12:01,203 --> 00:12:03,619 Lavash, the national bread. 240 00:12:03,653 --> 00:12:07,623 An ever-present feature of the Armenian table 241 00:12:07,657 --> 00:12:09,556 and a part of everyday life. 242 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,767 Baked on a tonir, 243 00:12:13,802 --> 00:12:15,665 or underground clay oven, 244 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:20,291 its preparation is passed down from generation to generation. 245 00:12:26,366 --> 00:12:30,611 Markets like Gum near the city center 246 00:12:30,646 --> 00:12:32,130 date back to Soviet days, 247 00:12:32,165 --> 00:12:33,822 but they remain a favorite stop 248 00:12:33,856 --> 00:12:36,479 for an older generation of Armenians. 249 00:12:44,177 --> 00:12:47,283 October brings an array of seasonal produce, 250 00:12:47,318 --> 00:12:49,458 and Miriam and her grandmother Leah 251 00:12:49,492 --> 00:12:51,805 pick up ingredients for a fall tradition... 252 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,222 Ghapama, a rice dish baked in pumpkin. 253 00:13:01,090 --> 00:13:03,196 The top of the pumpkin is removed, 254 00:13:03,230 --> 00:13:05,957 and the seeds and pulp are scraped out. 255 00:13:05,992 --> 00:13:07,925 Dried fruit, almonds, and honey 256 00:13:07,959 --> 00:13:10,997 are mixed with rice and baked inside. 257 00:13:15,311 --> 00:13:17,866 Incredible. 258 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:21,386 So, as main course we prepared Ghapama, 259 00:13:21,421 --> 00:13:22,836 which has its own song. 260 00:13:22,871 --> 00:13:24,804 Serj? 261 00:13:27,565 --> 00:13:30,464 Usually, when you bring in the dish, you sing it. 262 00:13:30,499 --> 00:13:32,018 We don't cook it very often, 263 00:13:32,052 --> 00:13:33,882 but it's an autumn meal. 264 00:13:33,916 --> 00:13:35,469 We have some pickles there. 265 00:13:35,504 --> 00:13:37,333 We have Armenian cheese there. 266 00:13:37,368 --> 00:13:39,957 And I'm going to serve Armenian bread. 267 00:13:39,991 --> 00:13:42,373 And this looks like... 268 00:13:42,407 --> 00:13:43,581 It looks like hummus. 269 00:13:43,615 --> 00:13:45,376 - It is hummus. - That's hummus. 270 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:46,826 Hummus and bread. 271 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:47,861 And it's not Armenian. 272 00:13:47,896 --> 00:13:49,725 This is mutabal. 273 00:13:49,759 --> 00:13:51,692 We're not laying any claims that they're Armenian, 274 00:13:51,727 --> 00:13:53,073 but many western Armenian families 275 00:13:53,108 --> 00:13:55,213 grow up with this on the table as well. 276 00:13:55,248 --> 00:13:57,181 Miriam, her mother, and grandmother 277 00:13:57,215 --> 00:13:59,528 were all born here in Yerevan. 278 00:13:59,562 --> 00:14:02,255 Her husband, Nazareth, and his family 279 00:14:02,289 --> 00:14:05,258 are more typical of the diaspora Armenians. 280 00:14:05,292 --> 00:14:08,778 His mom, Nar, was born in Beirut. 281 00:14:08,813 --> 00:14:11,885 Nazareth, in Toronto. 282 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,508 What language will your children speak? 283 00:14:14,543 --> 00:14:16,062 Where will they live? 284 00:14:16,096 --> 00:14:18,236 - Here. - Yeah, here. 285 00:14:18,271 --> 00:14:19,444 No hesitation? 286 00:14:19,479 --> 00:14:21,791 That's the easy question to answer. 287 00:14:21,826 --> 00:14:23,517 But I think the two of us 288 00:14:23,552 --> 00:14:25,761 would like them to grow up being equally comfortable 289 00:14:25,795 --> 00:14:27,521 with Armenian, Russian, and English. 290 00:14:27,556 --> 00:14:30,214 All three languages are very, very important 291 00:14:30,248 --> 00:14:32,181 for anyone growing up in Armenia. 292 00:14:32,216 --> 00:14:34,459 They are the two largest Armenian diasporas, 293 00:14:34,494 --> 00:14:36,427 Russia and America, so. 294 00:14:36,461 --> 00:14:39,568 How many years was it part of the Soviet Union? 295 00:14:39,602 --> 00:14:43,537 Uh, 70 years, since 1921 more or less until 1991. 296 00:14:43,572 --> 00:14:45,091 So, 70 years. 297 00:14:45,125 --> 00:14:47,852 But what remains of those times? 298 00:15:10,979 --> 00:15:15,293 You sound... wistful about the old days. 299 00:15:15,328 --> 00:15:18,503 Are things better now or worse? 300 00:15:26,028 --> 00:15:30,308 When Armenia was swallowed up by the Soviet Union in 1922, 301 00:15:30,343 --> 00:15:34,002 it became the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic. 302 00:15:34,036 --> 00:15:36,936 With that came purges and paranoia 303 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:38,627 but also a rapid industrialization, 304 00:15:38,661 --> 00:15:40,836 the evidence of which is still seen today 305 00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:43,597 in the abandoned factories and worker's blocks 306 00:15:43,632 --> 00:15:45,634 of another time. 307 00:15:45,668 --> 00:15:49,155 And a Soviet mentality and sizeable Russian presence 308 00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:52,813 still hang over the country like a dead weight. 309 00:15:52,848 --> 00:15:57,370 No matter how you felt about Soviet rule, 310 00:15:57,404 --> 00:16:00,511 the transition was a rough one. 311 00:16:00,545 --> 00:16:03,686 After the collapse of the USSR in 1991, 312 00:16:03,721 --> 00:16:05,723 Armenia suffered terrible food shortages 313 00:16:05,757 --> 00:16:07,380 and a ruined electrical grid 314 00:16:07,414 --> 00:16:10,176 that allowed only a couple of hours of power a day, 315 00:16:10,210 --> 00:16:11,694 if you were lucky. 316 00:16:11,729 --> 00:16:15,491 The worst of those years would be 1992 to 1994. 317 00:16:15,526 --> 00:16:18,356 But then a few years after '94 as well. 318 00:16:18,391 --> 00:16:20,041 There was a lot of pilferage in the beginning. 319 00:16:20,048 --> 00:16:22,705 There was a lot of... It was dark, dark days. 320 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:25,674 And the generation literally learned alphabet 321 00:16:25,708 --> 00:16:27,331 with the candlelight. 322 00:16:27,365 --> 00:16:30,161 Back then, we had only two hours maybe? 323 00:16:35,925 --> 00:16:37,030 It was something to observe 324 00:16:37,065 --> 00:16:40,033 because during those two hours 325 00:16:40,068 --> 00:16:41,897 someone would go to the balcony 326 00:16:41,931 --> 00:16:43,174 and scream in the yard: 327 00:16:43,209 --> 00:16:45,349 "We have lights, the electricity is back!" 328 00:16:45,383 --> 00:16:47,730 And everybody would go do their laundry, 329 00:16:47,765 --> 00:16:49,042 ironing, and cooking. 330 00:16:49,077 --> 00:16:51,527 Everything would be done in that one hour. 331 00:16:57,947 --> 00:16:59,259 Oh yeah. 332 00:16:59,294 --> 00:17:01,917 But they raised us with love, 333 00:17:01,951 --> 00:17:04,540 and we would play games. 334 00:17:04,575 --> 00:17:07,578 Ma would have her friends coming over playing guitar. 335 00:17:07,612 --> 00:17:11,202 Looking back, I don't remember the darkness. 336 00:17:11,237 --> 00:17:12,445 I remember that it was dark, 337 00:17:12,479 --> 00:17:15,448 but emotionally we didn't feel that. 338 00:17:15,482 --> 00:17:18,934 Parents, grandparents really did their best 339 00:17:18,968 --> 00:17:20,763 for kids not to feel the darkness. 340 00:17:20,798 --> 00:17:23,628 It was heroism on their part. 341 00:17:23,663 --> 00:17:24,871 Especially in the winter. 342 00:17:24,905 --> 00:17:26,528 Especially the winter. 343 00:17:26,562 --> 00:17:29,117 But also I think we're observing 344 00:17:29,151 --> 00:17:31,981 a very interesting period of our history 345 00:17:32,016 --> 00:17:34,605 when change is happening. 346 00:17:34,639 --> 00:17:36,607 Little by little, and it's us to make. 347 00:17:36,641 --> 00:17:38,471 Right, Serj? 348 00:17:49,585 --> 00:17:51,139 ♪ 349 00:18:14,196 --> 00:18:15,680 The Tumo Center 350 00:18:15,715 --> 00:18:17,993 is an after-school program for kids. 351 00:18:18,027 --> 00:18:19,857 You get to pick your course of study, 352 00:18:19,891 --> 00:18:23,585 be it art, technology, creative writing, whatever. 353 00:18:23,619 --> 00:18:25,000 There are no grades, 354 00:18:25,034 --> 00:18:27,658 no mandatory course requirements, 355 00:18:27,692 --> 00:18:29,625 and upwards of 14,000 kids are enrolled 356 00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:32,007 at four locations across Armenia. 357 00:18:32,041 --> 00:18:34,768 It's free, an entirely non-profit, 358 00:18:34,803 --> 00:18:36,356 privately funded venture, 359 00:18:36,391 --> 00:18:39,911 an investment in the youth of a young country. 360 00:18:54,305 --> 00:18:55,893 The main goal is 361 00:18:55,927 --> 00:18:59,966 to complement their formal education. 362 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,210 The curriculum is not mandatory. 363 00:19:02,244 --> 00:19:04,384 You pick what you want. 364 00:19:04,419 --> 00:19:05,834 You can pick music, 365 00:19:05,868 --> 00:19:09,217 graphic design, 3D modeling, 366 00:19:09,251 --> 00:19:11,046 or programming, games, 367 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,222 whatever, photography, robotics. 368 00:19:14,256 --> 00:19:17,017 The managing director, Maria Lou Papazian, 369 00:19:17,052 --> 00:19:19,744 and her husband Pegor are two former members 370 00:19:19,779 --> 00:19:22,230 of the Armenian Diaspora, 371 00:19:22,264 --> 00:19:24,404 both extraordinary but not unusual 372 00:19:24,439 --> 00:19:25,854 in the new Armenia. 373 00:19:25,888 --> 00:19:28,097 They're not ex-pats but re-pats, 374 00:19:28,132 --> 00:19:29,996 people who though not born here 375 00:19:30,030 --> 00:19:33,102 have chosen to come home and help build a nation. 376 00:19:33,137 --> 00:19:34,828 Well, we grew up together in Beirut 377 00:19:34,863 --> 00:19:36,416 then moved to the States. 378 00:19:36,451 --> 00:19:38,073 And the reason we moved 379 00:19:38,107 --> 00:19:40,317 was because of the Armenian thing. 380 00:19:40,351 --> 00:19:41,939 Our kid was growing up, 381 00:19:41,973 --> 00:19:45,770 so we told our friends we're gonna move, 382 00:19:45,805 --> 00:19:47,190 we need him to go to Armenian school. 383 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:48,720 So they said, "You're going to Armenia?" 384 00:19:48,739 --> 00:19:51,914 I said, "No, Glendale, California." 385 00:19:51,949 --> 00:19:54,572 But, eventually, we did move here, 12 years ago. 386 00:19:54,607 --> 00:19:56,264 Living in Glendale 387 00:19:56,298 --> 00:19:57,955 and keeping always saying 388 00:19:57,989 --> 00:20:00,129 you have to keep your identity 389 00:20:00,164 --> 00:20:02,097 was strange. 390 00:20:02,131 --> 00:20:05,963 And every time coming up with stories for the kids, 391 00:20:05,997 --> 00:20:07,965 you have to love your country, 392 00:20:07,999 --> 00:20:10,554 you're Armenian, you have to speak Armenian. 393 00:20:10,588 --> 00:20:12,038 Whereas once you're here, 394 00:20:12,072 --> 00:20:13,626 you just forget all about that, 395 00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:16,249 and it's more about being a good person, 396 00:20:16,284 --> 00:20:18,458 having ambitions, all of that. 397 00:20:18,493 --> 00:20:20,046 And the Armenian part, 398 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,979 you can let that happen naturally. 399 00:20:22,013 --> 00:20:27,881 Apricot vodka is a good start to a meal. 400 00:20:27,916 --> 00:20:30,367 Gyan is local favorite, 401 00:20:30,401 --> 00:20:33,301 a restaurant operating out of what was once a private home, 402 00:20:33,335 --> 00:20:35,993 something of a throwback to Soviet days 403 00:20:36,027 --> 00:20:38,651 like the Cuban paladars, when private enterprise, 404 00:20:38,685 --> 00:20:41,309 not to mention the spending of money on entertainment, 405 00:20:41,343 --> 00:20:46,141 could be frowned on, and privacy was at a premium. 406 00:20:48,212 --> 00:20:52,837 Trout wrapped and baked in lavash. 407 00:20:52,872 --> 00:20:55,668 This is not light cooking. 408 00:21:01,881 --> 00:21:04,021 There's certain things 409 00:21:04,055 --> 00:21:06,506 about especially maybe the last 20, 30 years 410 00:21:06,541 --> 00:21:08,301 of the Soviet Union, '60s on, 411 00:21:08,336 --> 00:21:11,856 that not the brutal, early Bolshevik Stalinist times 412 00:21:11,891 --> 00:21:14,618 but later on were, in terms of investment 413 00:21:14,652 --> 00:21:15,964 and culture and education... 414 00:21:15,998 --> 00:21:17,931 Well, I mean, it's very much 415 00:21:17,966 --> 00:21:19,692 a legacy of the Soviet Union. 416 00:21:19,726 --> 00:21:22,281 Armenia was kind of a nerd republic in a way. 417 00:21:22,315 --> 00:21:24,697 They specialized in different republics, 418 00:21:24,731 --> 00:21:27,216 and Armenia was where they concentrated 419 00:21:27,251 --> 00:21:31,359 science, technology, particle accelerator, 420 00:21:31,393 --> 00:21:33,671 radio telescope, all of that. 421 00:21:33,706 --> 00:21:35,708 And so we benefitted from that, 422 00:21:35,742 --> 00:21:37,641 and you see a lot of Armenians attributing that 423 00:21:37,675 --> 00:21:39,332 to our "genes" and so on. 424 00:21:39,367 --> 00:21:43,060 But, of course, our genes are the same as anyone else's. 425 00:21:43,094 --> 00:21:45,683 It's the culture that... Right. 426 00:21:45,718 --> 00:21:47,264 You know, you take the good with the bad, 427 00:21:47,271 --> 00:21:50,723 and the good is we're a cerebral nation in a way. 428 00:21:50,757 --> 00:21:52,656 That's how we grew up. We like chess. 429 00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:55,141 We're like we're nerds. 430 00:22:18,889 --> 00:22:21,926 Armenia enjoyed a somewhat celebrated status 431 00:22:21,961 --> 00:22:23,480 during Soviet times, 432 00:22:23,514 --> 00:22:26,345 and Russian influence is everywhere still. 433 00:22:26,379 --> 00:22:28,347 Chess is taught in public schools, 434 00:22:28,381 --> 00:22:30,279 a basic life skill. 435 00:22:30,314 --> 00:22:34,249 It's probably the fact that Armenia was such a powerhouse 436 00:22:34,283 --> 00:22:36,596 of smart, highly educated brainiacs 437 00:22:36,631 --> 00:22:39,116 with strong backgrounds in engineering, math, 438 00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:41,256 rocketry, and technology, 439 00:22:41,290 --> 00:22:44,224 a veritable Silicon Valley of the Caucuses 440 00:22:44,259 --> 00:22:48,436 that largely spared them the worst of Soviet rule, 441 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:51,370 and also perhaps the reason that it continues 442 00:22:51,404 --> 00:22:53,406 to be a leader in IT. 443 00:22:53,441 --> 00:22:56,720 I meet a few members from the tech community 444 00:22:56,754 --> 00:22:59,136 at a local brewery in Yerevan... 445 00:22:59,170 --> 00:23:02,035 Arthur, an industry writer, 446 00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:04,969 Harot, a software engineer, 447 00:23:05,004 --> 00:23:07,455 and Ruben, a cyber security consultant. 448 00:23:07,489 --> 00:23:09,940 So what are you making? 449 00:23:09,974 --> 00:23:11,459 What is coming of this? 450 00:23:11,493 --> 00:23:14,427 IT is a big... 451 00:23:14,462 --> 00:23:16,325 - For the country. - It's a big house. 452 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,051 So, websites, 453 00:23:18,086 --> 00:23:19,881 web based stuff and chip design. 454 00:23:19,915 --> 00:23:21,779 We're all over the place actually. 455 00:23:21,814 --> 00:23:23,609 But this comes from the old times, you know. 456 00:23:23,643 --> 00:23:25,438 Like, in Soviet times what happened is 457 00:23:25,473 --> 00:23:27,095 they manufactured chips, 458 00:23:27,129 --> 00:23:29,166 lots of electronic stuff for... 459 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,340 I heard for Soviet submarines. 460 00:23:31,375 --> 00:23:33,446 But actually it was 461 00:23:33,481 --> 00:23:36,484 a success story in the Soviet time. 462 00:23:36,518 --> 00:23:38,347 You can have a success story 463 00:23:38,382 --> 00:23:41,143 if you were a Communist Party official 464 00:23:41,178 --> 00:23:44,008 or if you were doing science. 465 00:23:44,043 --> 00:23:45,941 Or perhaps artist, and that's it. 466 00:23:45,976 --> 00:23:50,014 And the science was the most clean career. 467 00:23:50,049 --> 00:23:53,293 I mean, you were not compromising your own beliefs, 468 00:23:53,328 --> 00:23:55,364 and you were doing something good. 469 00:23:55,399 --> 00:23:58,816 If you were to imagine the perfect business 470 00:23:58,851 --> 00:24:01,819 and the most efficient export for a land-locked nation 471 00:24:01,854 --> 00:24:04,028 with most of its borders closed, 472 00:24:04,063 --> 00:24:06,686 it would be information technology, right? 473 00:24:06,721 --> 00:24:08,999 Or, to put it simply, brains. 474 00:24:09,033 --> 00:24:11,829 They teach chess in school? Yes. 475 00:24:11,864 --> 00:24:15,833 In school? Starting at what age? 476 00:24:15,868 --> 00:24:17,386 Third grade. My son hates it, he's... 477 00:24:17,421 --> 00:24:19,112 No, second grade. 478 00:24:19,147 --> 00:24:22,391 - So everybody plays chess? - Yeah, you kind of... 479 00:24:22,426 --> 00:24:24,670 That already is a very different... 480 00:24:24,704 --> 00:24:25,981 I have a ranking actually. 481 00:24:26,016 --> 00:24:27,776 Really? I didn't know. Come on. 482 00:24:27,811 --> 00:24:29,502 Small number. 483 00:24:29,537 --> 00:24:32,609 But that's a very different mentality than most places. 484 00:24:32,643 --> 00:24:36,026 Actually, my mom took me to chess class. 485 00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:37,959 It was not because of the country's 486 00:24:37,993 --> 00:24:39,892 like a super nation in chess or something. 487 00:24:39,926 --> 00:24:42,135 Just she wanted to take me some place 488 00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:45,345 where, like, I can develop my brains. 489 00:24:45,380 --> 00:24:48,176 But, actually, there's a quick answer. 490 00:24:48,210 --> 00:24:50,419 When you are being oppressed 491 00:24:50,454 --> 00:24:52,076 during your history, 492 00:24:52,111 --> 00:24:55,563 knowledge is something that cannot be taken off you. 493 00:24:55,597 --> 00:24:59,083 Anything can happen. Soviet Union can collapse. 494 00:24:59,118 --> 00:25:02,017 There can be pogroms. There can be immigration. 495 00:25:02,052 --> 00:25:05,434 They can take your home. They can take your fortune. 496 00:25:05,469 --> 00:25:07,333 But knowledge and skill is something 497 00:25:07,367 --> 00:25:10,543 that remains with you for all of the time. 498 00:25:10,578 --> 00:25:14,582 And that's why Armenians are investing in education, 499 00:25:14,616 --> 00:25:16,515 in knowledge, in skill, 500 00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:19,276 to invest in the development of a child. 501 00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:24,833 All of us are children that were invested in. 502 00:25:24,868 --> 00:25:29,113 The knowledge is something that you always keep with you. 503 00:25:29,148 --> 00:25:33,532 I think this explains a lot. 504 00:25:47,822 --> 00:25:50,203 My trip to the disputed, 505 00:25:50,238 --> 00:25:52,758 Armenian-controlled enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh 506 00:25:52,792 --> 00:25:55,381 requires an early morning stop at a military base 507 00:25:55,415 --> 00:25:57,383 on the outskirts of Yerevan. 508 00:25:57,417 --> 00:26:01,214 And, apparently, a flight in this thing, 509 00:26:01,249 --> 00:26:04,770 a smoking, flame-belching, banged-up looking 510 00:26:04,804 --> 00:26:07,289 Soviet Mi-8 twin turbine chopper 511 00:26:07,324 --> 00:26:09,602 whose appearance prior to boarding 512 00:26:09,637 --> 00:26:12,398 does not fill me with confidence. 513 00:26:20,337 --> 00:26:23,236 But, once up in the air, 514 00:26:23,271 --> 00:26:26,446 it takes me over crags and peaks and steppes 515 00:26:26,481 --> 00:26:28,414 across the international recognized border 516 00:26:28,448 --> 00:26:30,002 with Azerbaijan 517 00:26:30,036 --> 00:26:33,074 to what the Armenians call Arstakh, 518 00:26:33,108 --> 00:26:36,905 an isolated pocket surrounded on all sides 519 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:39,080 by Azeris. 520 00:26:39,114 --> 00:26:42,083 Whose mountains these are 521 00:26:42,117 --> 00:26:45,811 is a subject of contention and conflict to say the least. 522 00:26:45,845 --> 00:26:48,607 When the borders of the South Caucasus were drawn 523 00:26:48,641 --> 00:26:52,024 by the Russian conquerors some 200 years ago, 524 00:26:52,058 --> 00:26:53,646 a strong Russian presence kept ethnic 525 00:26:53,681 --> 00:26:55,683 and religious rivalries in check. 526 00:26:55,717 --> 00:26:58,340 But, whenever disorder hit Russia, 527 00:26:58,375 --> 00:26:59,997 war has broken out here. 528 00:27:00,032 --> 00:27:03,483 Most recently, after the fall of the USSR. 529 00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:08,488 The brutal conflict went largely ignored 530 00:27:08,523 --> 00:27:10,214 internationally. 531 00:27:10,249 --> 00:27:11,664 As with any war, 532 00:27:11,699 --> 00:27:13,459 particularly wars with an ethnic 533 00:27:13,493 --> 00:27:15,668 or religious component over territory, 534 00:27:15,703 --> 00:27:17,670 it was ugly, murderous, 535 00:27:17,705 --> 00:27:21,812 and with atrocities committed by both sides. 536 00:27:21,847 --> 00:27:25,057 1992 was a turning point. 537 00:27:25,091 --> 00:27:27,784 The Armenians organized and created their own army 538 00:27:27,818 --> 00:27:29,786 and, surprising everyone, pushed through 539 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,064 and took full control of Karabakh 540 00:27:32,098 --> 00:27:34,583 and the surrounding areas. 541 00:27:34,618 --> 00:27:37,483 These buffer zones are ethnically Azeri 542 00:27:37,517 --> 00:27:38,898 and bitterly contested 543 00:27:38,933 --> 00:27:41,798 and the subject of continuing dispute. 544 00:27:41,832 --> 00:27:44,490 There are still violent confrontations, 545 00:27:44,524 --> 00:27:47,044 the latest being a four-day battle 546 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:49,875 in the Spring of 2016. 547 00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:52,153 Russia's role in the conflict 548 00:27:52,187 --> 00:27:54,017 is suspiciously cynical. 549 00:27:54,051 --> 00:27:58,159 They actively arm, support, and advise both sides 550 00:27:58,193 --> 00:27:59,988 as it appears in their interest 551 00:28:00,023 --> 00:28:04,061 that there be no lasting resolution. 552 00:28:04,096 --> 00:28:04,596 ♪ 553 00:28:08,203 --> 00:28:10,447 Travel to this region continues to be 554 00:28:10,481 --> 00:28:12,345 a particularly sensitive issue, 555 00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:14,589 especially for the Azeris. 556 00:28:14,623 --> 00:28:16,695 Simply by coming here, I've become, 557 00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:19,283 as I read in the papers a few days later, 558 00:28:19,318 --> 00:28:24,012 officially persona non grata in Azerbaijan. 559 00:28:24,047 --> 00:28:28,603 Stepanakert is the capital of the autonomous republic 560 00:28:28,637 --> 00:28:31,744 of Nagorno-Karabakh. 561 00:28:31,779 --> 00:28:36,231 And overlooking it, the village of Shushi. 562 00:28:44,964 --> 00:28:48,761 Zhingalov Khats is a specialty of the region. 563 00:28:48,796 --> 00:28:52,040 This lavash bread is stuffed with greens and onions 564 00:28:52,075 --> 00:28:55,630 before being toasted atop a cast-iron sheet. 565 00:29:02,913 --> 00:29:06,745 Khorovats... basically, Armenian barbecue. 566 00:29:06,779 --> 00:29:08,229 Meat on a stick, 567 00:29:08,263 --> 00:29:11,611 which is... let's face it... Always good. 568 00:29:14,442 --> 00:29:17,756 Khorovats. 569 00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:21,311 Armenians try sometimes to cook it. 570 00:29:21,345 --> 00:29:25,004 Not the same thing. 571 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,661 Armenia and Karabakh, 572 00:29:26,695 --> 00:29:29,146 two different things or the same? 573 00:29:29,181 --> 00:29:32,011 Not really. Karabakh is... 574 00:29:32,046 --> 00:29:34,255 definitely part of the Armenian civilization, 575 00:29:34,289 --> 00:29:36,084 the Armenian culture. 576 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:37,776 I wouldn't separate them. 577 00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:40,468 I think Karabakh is part of Armenia 578 00:29:40,502 --> 00:29:42,642 but not part of the Republic of Armenia. 579 00:29:42,677 --> 00:29:44,921 It's like a continuation of Armenia. 580 00:29:44,955 --> 00:29:46,094 We are the same. 581 00:29:46,129 --> 00:29:47,924 Tegran served in the military 582 00:29:47,958 --> 00:29:51,168 and is now is Karabakh's only opposition party. 583 00:29:51,203 --> 00:29:52,791 Tatool is a journalist. 584 00:29:52,825 --> 00:29:55,207 Saro, our host, is Armenian 585 00:29:55,241 --> 00:29:56,864 but born in Azerbaijan, 586 00:29:56,898 --> 00:29:59,142 having fled during the war. 587 00:29:59,176 --> 00:30:01,938 He now runs a guest house here in Shushi. 588 00:30:01,972 --> 00:30:05,734 To what extent is this just a religious conflict? 589 00:30:05,769 --> 00:30:07,074 - No, it's not really. - Not at all? 590 00:30:07,081 --> 00:30:10,360 - No, no, no, no. Nothing... - No, no. 591 00:30:10,394 --> 00:30:12,155 This is a Christian island. 592 00:30:12,189 --> 00:30:14,640 Well, this is Christian island, it's true. 593 00:30:14,674 --> 00:30:15,848 This is Christian island. 594 00:30:15,883 --> 00:30:18,402 But the conflict of Nagorno-Karabakh 595 00:30:18,437 --> 00:30:19,887 is not religious. 596 00:30:19,921 --> 00:30:22,303 There are people here, hardliners here, 597 00:30:22,337 --> 00:30:24,823 who refer to Azeris as Turks. 598 00:30:24,857 --> 00:30:26,894 - But they are Turks. - They are Turks. 599 00:30:26,928 --> 00:30:30,138 - They are Turks, yes. - Please explain. 600 00:30:30,173 --> 00:30:33,901 I think probably they are not ident... 601 00:30:33,935 --> 00:30:36,558 They do not bear historical responsibility 602 00:30:36,593 --> 00:30:39,044 for the actions committed by the Ottomans. 603 00:30:39,078 --> 00:30:42,254 But the struggle of the people Nagorno-Karabakh 604 00:30:42,288 --> 00:30:46,051 for their existence is continuation of the struggle 605 00:30:46,085 --> 00:30:49,261 of Armenian people to live peacefully on... 606 00:30:49,295 --> 00:30:51,228 In their historical homeland. 607 00:30:51,263 --> 00:30:54,335 I'm not saying that Azeris and Turks 608 00:30:54,369 --> 00:30:55,784 are the same nations. 609 00:30:55,819 --> 00:30:56,882 But they are Turk nations... 610 00:30:56,889 --> 00:30:58,891 They're working in unison. 611 00:30:58,926 --> 00:31:02,239 Yeah, they're working in unity today 612 00:31:02,274 --> 00:31:04,000 to isolate Armenia. 613 00:31:04,034 --> 00:31:05,760 Do you think there's a sense 614 00:31:05,794 --> 00:31:07,935 that when people look at this conflict 615 00:31:07,969 --> 00:31:10,213 they think they look back and they say 616 00:31:10,247 --> 00:31:11,870 this is what could happen in the future? 617 00:31:11,904 --> 00:31:13,112 Yeah, absolutely. 618 00:31:13,147 --> 00:31:15,735 It is absolutely an existential conflict. 619 00:31:15,770 --> 00:31:18,704 If we lose, we know that we will be destroyed. 620 00:31:18,738 --> 00:31:22,294 Who will help? Who cares? 621 00:31:22,328 --> 00:31:23,364 Support? 622 00:31:23,398 --> 00:31:24,434 Who will support you 623 00:31:24,468 --> 00:31:26,539 if things once again get ugly? 624 00:31:26,574 --> 00:31:27,740 What do you think the future... 625 00:31:27,747 --> 00:31:29,646 - No one, no one. We. - No one? 626 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,131 I think there is a clear understanding 627 00:31:32,166 --> 00:31:33,270 in Armenian society 628 00:31:33,305 --> 00:31:36,032 that we can only rely on ourselves. 629 00:31:36,066 --> 00:31:38,724 But another reality is we are paying 630 00:31:38,758 --> 00:31:40,036 very, very high price. 631 00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:44,385 Since 1994, Armenian and Karabakh sides 632 00:31:44,419 --> 00:31:48,078 lost about 3,000 soldiers. 633 00:31:48,113 --> 00:31:54,429 We are losing our 18, 20 year old sons, you know. 634 00:31:54,464 --> 00:31:56,259 This is sad reality. 635 00:31:56,293 --> 00:32:00,815 And I don't know how will this situation continue. 636 00:32:00,849 --> 00:32:02,334 I don't know. 637 00:32:02,368 --> 00:32:06,234 I think it's the right time to drink for peace. 638 00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:08,409 For peace, yeah. 639 00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:09,479 You read my mind now. 640 00:32:09,513 --> 00:32:12,620 So, cheers. 641 00:32:12,654 --> 00:32:13,932 Cheers. 642 00:32:20,214 --> 00:32:20,714 ♪ 643 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,446 It's a 3 1/2 hour train ride from the capital to Gyumri, 644 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,863 Armenia's second largest city. 645 00:32:58,769 --> 00:33:01,117 Gyumri was at the near epicenter 646 00:33:01,151 --> 00:33:02,981 of the magnitude 7.0 earthquake 647 00:33:03,015 --> 00:33:07,502 that absolutely devastated much of the country in 1988, 648 00:33:07,537 --> 00:33:09,711 killing 25,000 people 649 00:33:09,746 --> 00:33:12,887 and displacing hundreds of thousands more. 650 00:33:12,921 --> 00:33:14,993 Recovery was made more difficult 651 00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:17,754 by the subsequent collapse of the Soviet Union 652 00:33:17,788 --> 00:33:19,411 and the Karabakh war. 653 00:33:19,445 --> 00:33:21,930 Manufacturing, infrastructure, 654 00:33:21,965 --> 00:33:25,382 the country's industrial base and political stability 655 00:33:25,417 --> 00:33:29,869 all crumbled along with the buildings. 656 00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:34,391 The cemetery on the way into town 657 00:33:34,426 --> 00:33:36,083 gives you a powerful reminder 658 00:33:36,117 --> 00:33:38,050 of how many died. 659 00:33:38,085 --> 00:33:41,674 One tombstone after another after another, 660 00:33:41,709 --> 00:33:44,574 all dating back to the same year. 661 00:33:55,999 --> 00:34:01,867 Poloz Mukuch sits on a recently rebuilt street. 662 00:34:01,901 --> 00:34:05,422 Inside, I meet with three young Gyumritzi 663 00:34:05,457 --> 00:34:07,976 determined to rebuild and revitalize 664 00:34:08,011 --> 00:34:10,255 their city and their country. 665 00:34:10,289 --> 00:34:12,912 Anush works for an equal rights NGO 666 00:34:12,947 --> 00:34:14,535 back in Yerevan. 667 00:34:14,569 --> 00:34:19,229 Amalia is in tech, and Gayan works in tourism. 668 00:34:19,264 --> 00:34:21,645 So were you all born here? 669 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,820 - Yes. - Born in this city. 670 00:34:23,854 --> 00:34:27,306 But two of you live here. Who doesn't live here? 671 00:34:27,341 --> 00:34:29,067 I live in Yerevan. 672 00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:30,447 You live in Yerevan now. 673 00:34:30,482 --> 00:34:32,898 I have lived in Yerevan for four years, 674 00:34:32,932 --> 00:34:35,280 and that's the beauty of my story. 675 00:34:35,314 --> 00:34:36,936 Then I came back. 676 00:34:36,971 --> 00:34:40,457 It doesn't matter how it was hard to suffer here. 677 00:34:40,492 --> 00:34:43,081 Me, my family, my father, 678 00:34:43,115 --> 00:34:45,428 we never thought to leave the city. 679 00:34:45,462 --> 00:34:47,982 And that's why for me Gyumri history 680 00:34:48,016 --> 00:34:50,812 is divided into two parts. 681 00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:52,780 Like, before earthquake 682 00:34:52,814 --> 00:34:55,783 the nice story I heard from my parents, 683 00:34:55,817 --> 00:34:57,267 and after the earthquake 684 00:34:57,302 --> 00:35:00,339 the difficulties and hard times we had. 685 00:35:00,374 --> 00:35:03,135 But also the renaissance 686 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:05,310 that now the city is changing 687 00:35:05,344 --> 00:35:07,864 because the generation is changing. 688 00:35:09,969 --> 00:35:13,421 This is... This is some typical soup. 689 00:35:13,456 --> 00:35:16,666 Oxtail? Oxtail soup, yeah. 690 00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,255 It should be a little spicy. 691 00:35:19,289 --> 00:35:20,497 - Good. - Yeah. 692 00:35:20,532 --> 00:35:23,259 And this is liver and heart? 693 00:35:23,293 --> 00:35:24,329 - Yes. - Delicious. 694 00:35:24,363 --> 00:35:27,159 With tomato and oil. 695 00:35:27,194 --> 00:35:28,885 This, what's this dish called? 696 00:35:28,919 --> 00:35:30,707 I mean, I know what it is, it's a sheep's head but... 697 00:35:30,714 --> 00:35:32,647 - Yes. - This is called "kalleh." 698 00:35:32,682 --> 00:35:35,340 - "Kalleh." Kalleh. - In the local language. 699 00:35:35,374 --> 00:35:37,376 When I was kid, I remember my father 700 00:35:37,411 --> 00:35:40,172 not only went to restaurant with kalleh, 701 00:35:40,207 --> 00:35:41,863 but he brought it home for us. 702 00:35:41,898 --> 00:35:43,348 - Oh yeah? - And I was afraid. 703 00:35:43,382 --> 00:35:45,902 I was afraid of the teeth. Yeah. 704 00:35:45,936 --> 00:35:49,630 Actually, you got the good part there. 705 00:35:49,664 --> 00:35:52,288 Yeah. 706 00:35:52,322 --> 00:35:53,875 So, let me ask this. 707 00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:58,846 Technology not just here but Armenia in general 708 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,677 seems to be the major hope for the future. 709 00:36:02,712 --> 00:36:06,854 What do you think the city will be like in 20 years? 710 00:36:06,888 --> 00:36:11,203 You know, the history is not a stable thing 711 00:36:11,238 --> 00:36:13,378 that we can count on. 712 00:36:13,412 --> 00:36:15,656 But what I see 10 years ago and 10 years now 713 00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:17,830 Gyumri is developing quite fast. 714 00:36:17,865 --> 00:36:20,212 It's really good. I see really good developments. 715 00:36:20,247 --> 00:36:24,527 And I can say that's mostly due to the younger generation. 716 00:36:24,561 --> 00:36:26,114 I would definitely say that. 717 00:36:26,149 --> 00:36:29,428 It's self-employment and entrepreneurship 718 00:36:29,463 --> 00:36:31,775 that is developing among the youth 719 00:36:31,810 --> 00:36:35,607 very, very in a very kind of fast way these days. 720 00:36:35,641 --> 00:36:38,782 Because people understand that if you stay in Gyumri 721 00:36:38,817 --> 00:36:41,199 you need to create your own stuff. 722 00:36:41,233 --> 00:36:43,408 We never should stop. 723 00:36:43,442 --> 00:36:44,754 We never should wait for others 724 00:36:44,788 --> 00:36:47,274 to help our city and ourselves. 725 00:36:47,308 --> 00:36:49,241 We should think, we should create, 726 00:36:49,276 --> 00:36:51,519 we should use our strong sides 727 00:36:51,554 --> 00:36:53,728 to move forward. 728 00:37:05,947 --> 00:37:07,259 ♪ 729 00:37:13,645 --> 00:37:15,267 The GAZ M21 Volga 730 00:37:15,302 --> 00:37:18,891 Executive Class four-door sedan. 731 00:37:18,926 --> 00:37:22,274 Don't mind us. We're just Volga'ing. 732 00:37:22,309 --> 00:37:25,173 The ultimate is Soviet driving luxury. 733 00:37:28,832 --> 00:37:31,456 Corinthian leather, nice. Yeah. 734 00:37:36,184 --> 00:37:38,463 Wonder what top speed on this thing is. 735 00:37:38,497 --> 00:37:40,327 I don't want to wonder. 736 00:37:40,361 --> 00:37:41,949 The decelerator isn't that great. 737 00:37:41,983 --> 00:37:43,433 Right. 738 00:37:43,468 --> 00:37:46,643 Only an hour's drive from the capital 739 00:37:46,678 --> 00:37:48,024 sits Lake Sevan 740 00:37:48,058 --> 00:37:52,408 in some beautiful countryside. 741 00:37:52,442 --> 00:37:54,824 So it's the Switzerland of Armenia? 742 00:37:54,858 --> 00:37:56,860 Dilijan is the Switzerland of Armenia. 743 00:37:56,895 --> 00:37:59,173 It's one of my favorite spots actually. 744 00:37:59,207 --> 00:38:00,933 What am I eating today? 745 00:38:00,968 --> 00:38:03,177 I think you're eating khash today. 746 00:38:03,211 --> 00:38:04,972 Said to be a hangover cure. 747 00:38:05,006 --> 00:38:06,491 That's it, yeah. 748 00:38:06,525 --> 00:38:09,010 It's made out of legs of cows, I think. 749 00:38:09,045 --> 00:38:11,358 Cool, I like legs of cows. 750 00:38:11,392 --> 00:38:12,359 I like their eyes. 751 00:38:12,393 --> 00:38:14,015 Not to eat but just to look at. 752 00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:15,810 Me too, they're so dreamy. 753 00:38:15,845 --> 00:38:17,191 They are. 754 00:38:17,225 --> 00:38:18,468 Yeah. 755 00:38:18,503 --> 00:38:19,849 No, it's beautiful here. 756 00:38:19,883 --> 00:38:22,472 ♪ 757 00:38:25,544 --> 00:38:27,132 Cheers, thank you. 758 00:38:28,375 --> 00:38:30,860 - Yeah, thanks. - They're cold. 759 00:38:30,894 --> 00:38:32,862 Yeah, I'm offering it short, 760 00:38:32,896 --> 00:38:34,864 but it has like I want to do it for Armenia, 761 00:38:34,898 --> 00:38:37,142 for the hosts and for the khash makers. 762 00:38:37,176 --> 00:38:39,247 Okay. Good. 763 00:38:44,701 --> 00:38:49,257 Cheers. Cheers. Welcome. 764 00:38:49,292 --> 00:38:51,881 Joining Serj and I at the table 765 00:38:51,915 --> 00:38:54,470 are George, his longtime manager and friend, 766 00:38:54,504 --> 00:38:57,749 Malina, the proprietor of the place, 767 00:38:57,783 --> 00:38:59,889 and Sam, a restaurateur from Yerevan, 768 00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:03,341 along with some friends. 769 00:39:03,375 --> 00:39:06,723 Khash is what hipster goofs these days 770 00:39:06,758 --> 00:39:08,691 would call bone broth, 771 00:39:08,725 --> 00:39:14,317 basically a stock flavored by roasted beef bones. 772 00:39:16,284 --> 00:39:18,045 In Armenian, we say "khash." 773 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,012 It means just boiled. Right. 774 00:39:20,047 --> 00:39:22,394 So there is big debate whether it's Georgian or Armenian. 775 00:39:22,429 --> 00:39:24,914 Of course, every Armenian is sure it's Armenian. 776 00:39:24,948 --> 00:39:28,193 What are you talking about? What are you talking about? 777 00:39:29,574 --> 00:39:32,577 Don't do the lavash first, please. 778 00:39:32,611 --> 00:39:34,130 We're gonna do the... 779 00:39:34,164 --> 00:39:36,443 Garlic, garlic. First comes garlic. 780 00:39:36,477 --> 00:39:38,099 I see. 781 00:39:38,134 --> 00:39:39,584 But pay attention to the salt. 782 00:39:39,618 --> 00:39:42,966 If you are not leveling it with the right level... 783 00:39:43,001 --> 00:39:45,279 Garlic level for you, it's okay? 784 00:39:45,313 --> 00:39:47,108 Yeah, so garlic. So far so good. 785 00:39:47,143 --> 00:39:49,110 Then, okay, you have one more plate. 786 00:39:49,145 --> 00:39:50,767 You remove the meat. 787 00:39:50,802 --> 00:39:54,288 Wow, this is... You take this very seriously. 788 00:39:54,322 --> 00:39:56,739 - Yeah, yeah. - This is a ritual. 789 00:39:56,773 --> 00:39:57,947 It's a ritual. 790 00:39:57,981 --> 00:39:59,535 Does everybody have their own style? 791 00:39:59,569 --> 00:40:02,123 Or is this the absolute... This is the way? 792 00:40:02,158 --> 00:40:03,470 Yeah, but the classics say 793 00:40:03,504 --> 00:40:05,299 you have to eat with your hands. 794 00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:08,302 This is... this is the classics. You eat with your hands. 795 00:40:08,336 --> 00:40:09,721 Whoever is not eating with his hands, 796 00:40:09,752 --> 00:40:11,236 they are teasing him. 797 00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:12,996 "Hey, you're a loser" or something like that. 798 00:40:13,031 --> 00:40:14,619 - Really? - Yeah. 799 00:40:14,653 --> 00:40:16,483 And you're literally judged by a person 800 00:40:16,517 --> 00:40:18,726 if he's eating good khash or... 801 00:40:18,761 --> 00:40:20,452 - Yeah, yeah. - Like, "See the guy?" 802 00:40:20,487 --> 00:40:22,143 He's the first, see the guy. 803 00:40:22,178 --> 00:40:24,456 - Harsh. That's... - See the guy. 804 00:40:24,491 --> 00:40:27,839 You're like the Ayatollah of food, man. 805 00:40:29,841 --> 00:40:32,464 You're very... 806 00:40:32,499 --> 00:40:34,777 Ayatollah. 807 00:40:36,779 --> 00:40:38,159 - Are you ready? - Yeah. 808 00:40:38,194 --> 00:40:39,851 Okay, we have a saying 809 00:40:39,885 --> 00:40:41,784 when we first come to a house 810 00:40:41,818 --> 00:40:43,095 to a place that hosts us. 811 00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:46,789 We say... [speaks Armenian] 812 00:40:46,823 --> 00:40:48,653 Which literally means: 813 00:40:48,687 --> 00:40:51,656 "Let my feet bring luck to this home." 814 00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:58,525 So, let your feet bring luck to our country, 815 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:02,598 to Dilijan, and to this home. 816 00:41:04,392 --> 00:41:07,465 I think guys with khash we do like lots of toasts, 817 00:41:07,499 --> 00:41:09,501 but it has to be short. 818 00:41:09,536 --> 00:41:11,676 You can go like Armenian toasts are very long. 819 00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:14,472 Because people have to be concentrated on khash. 820 00:41:14,506 --> 00:41:17,371 No, no, no, because it will get cold. 821 00:41:17,405 --> 00:41:20,892 Yeah, yeah, we were always between Iran and Rome. 822 00:41:20,926 --> 00:41:24,620 So, we're used to being between to survive. 823 00:41:24,654 --> 00:41:27,139 You remember you asked the very first question, 824 00:41:27,174 --> 00:41:30,384 "What is the guy who comes back to Armenia," 825 00:41:30,418 --> 00:41:31,730 "what do they feel?" 826 00:41:31,765 --> 00:41:33,560 They feel "I survive." 827 00:41:33,594 --> 00:41:35,700 I did what my grandfather wanted, 828 00:41:35,734 --> 00:41:37,840 what his great grandfather wanted. 829 00:41:37,874 --> 00:41:41,533 We are here to survive no matter is it a war. 830 00:41:41,568 --> 00:41:43,259 We're gonna still have this feast. 831 00:41:43,293 --> 00:41:45,710 - That's a good toast. - Yeah, badass toast. 832 00:41:51,716 --> 00:41:53,580 ♪ 61709

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