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♪
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Serj is Armenian.
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Like most Armenians
around the world,
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he wasn't born in Armenia.
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Armenia remains a dream,
a subject of stories,
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yet still, against all odds,
a place.
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♪ You, what do you
own the world? ♪
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♪ How do you own disorder
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♪ Disorder
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♪ Somewhere between
the sacred silence ♪
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♪ Sacred silence and sleep
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♪ Disorder, disorder
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♪ I took a walk
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♪ Through
this beautiful world ♪
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♪ Felt the cool rain
on my shoulder ♪
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♪ Found something good
in this beautiful world ♪
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♪ I felt the rain
getting colder ♪
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♪ Sha la la la la la
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♪ Sha la la la la la la
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♪ Sha la la la la
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♪ Sha la la la la la
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Armenia is a small
land-locked Christian nation
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surrounded by mostly
non-Christian neighbors.
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Azerbaijan over there,
Iran down there,
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and Turkey right there.
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Turkey and relations with Turkey
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and the Armenian people's
terrible history
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with that country
being the central
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and defining issue
of Armenian identity
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and a present-day
political reality
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103 years after what just about
anyone would call genocide.
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Turkey has always
adamantly denied that,
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saying it was simply
a messy war.
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Yerevan is the capital
of Armenia,
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a city of about
one million people.
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Mount Ararat looms over it,
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a cultural touchstone
and a constant reminder
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of what was done
on the other side.
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Think of Armenia,
and chances are
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you think instead
of an Armenian,
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maybe someone you know
or maybe someone on TV.
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These guys, for instance,
famous Armenians.
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We needed an Armenian.
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I needed an Armenian
to push me over the edge,
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help me find a window,
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a lens with which
to look at a country
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which, for some reason,
I'd managed to not visit
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on my travels.
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Then, this guy reached out...
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Serj Tankian, front man
for the Armenian-American band
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System of a Down.
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And the whole thing
started to fall into place.
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Serj first visited Armenia
17 years ago.
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Since then, he's performed
a number of shows,
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including one
with System of a Down
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during the centennial
of the Armenian genocide.
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We meet up at Dolmama,
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his favorite restaurant
in Yerevan,
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and right away I identify
a potential problem.
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Well, my first question is:
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I understand you're
a pescatarian?
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- Yeah.
- How does one...
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You're like,
"What the fuck are you doing?"
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This is a land-locked country
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in the heart of, like,
meat on a stick zone.
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Well, I'm interested to see
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how you navigate your way
through this week.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, we've got amazing trout.
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And lots of great veggies.
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I'm just busting your balls.
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Of course you are.
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So how Armenian are you?
I mean...
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That's a really good question.
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You were born in...
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Yeah, I was born in Beirut,
grew up in I.A.
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I'm Armenian by culture.
Both my parents are Armenian.
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My grandparents, you know,
ended up in Syria and Lebanon
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because of the genocide.
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And how Armenian am I?
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That's a really
good question, man.
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The majority of Armenians
that live in the Diaspora
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didn't voluntarily migrate.
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You know, they were...
They were forced migrations,
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pogroms, you know,
after the genocide.
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So they ended up
in the Middle East and Europe
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and different parts
of the world.
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So, we have this kind
of feeling of being kicked out,
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and that longing is different
than other diasporas I think
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because of that.
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Diaspora Armenian communities,
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wherever they are,
have been held together
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by deep feelings of nationalism
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and injustice
for what happened to them
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and how the world
refused to acknowledge it.
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Dolmama specializes
in modern versions
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of Armenian classic dishes.
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Khashlama, a braised lamb shank
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served with rice pilaf.
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It's a big little snack.
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That is a leg of...
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a leg of lamb,
a little guy, yes.
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Yeah.
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Wow. It's pretty too.
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So manti is like
my grandmother used to make it,
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but it looks completely
different than this
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because this is
vegetarian manti.
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They're like little boats
with spices and onions.
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You probably thank
Genghis Khan for this.
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The dumplings.
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He made it happen.
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He took all the manuscripts,
killed a million people but...
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- But he left you dumplings.
- He left... yeah.
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Mmm, that's awesome.
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Yeah, this is what
my soul needed.
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Good.
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What was it like
coming back the first time?
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And how old were you,
and what was it like?
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I had a mystical connection
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because I had never been
to Armenia.
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And we had only read about it
in books per se, you know.
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Modern Armenia is different
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than what I had thought of,
you know,
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because it's thriving,
it's young, you know.
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It's got a lot
of interesting dynamics.
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And I remember the first time
I flew back to I.A.
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the feeling that I got
getting out of the plane
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is "Why am I back here?"
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Like, it was a weird thing
where it's this...
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Inescapable feeling
of kind of the land
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having some kind of pull
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on your blood
or something like that.
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Genealogy, I don't know
what it is.
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Do you think that Armenia
looks to the West for anything?
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Yes, definitely.
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I think, you know, culturally
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Armenia is very European.
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- Culturally? But...
- Culturally.
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Politically, it's very much
tied into Russia.
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Not just
as an ex-Soviet republic,
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but there's a lot of economic
investment from Russia,
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and Russia, obviously, based
on the last two world wars
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is extremely... what's the word...
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They're very afraid
of their borders, let's say.
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Yes, they are
acutely sensitive...
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- Acutely sensitive.
- To particularly this area.
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There are three million
Armenians living in Armenia,
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another eight million
around the world.
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Ever since the genocide,
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it's been a long, existential
struggle for survival.
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Recent history is defined
by three major events...
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A massive earthquake in 1988,
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followed by the collapse
of the USSR in 1991,
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and then a full-scale war
with Azerbaijan in 1992.
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Not to mention limited
employment opportunities
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and most significantly
its borders,
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of which approximately
80% have been closed
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due to relationships
with its Turkish
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and Azeri neighbors.
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Things have not been easy
for Armenians.
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On a hillside
overlooking Yerevan sits
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a sprawling memorial
to the genocide of 1915.
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On the other side of town,
another memorial,
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the Yerevan Cascade.
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Richard Giragosian
is an American-born professor
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and political analyst
who now lives here in Armenia.
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How many were lost during this?
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Most estimates historically
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put it around 1.5 million.
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That's a lot of people.
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Especially a lot of people
when we look at the per capita,
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when we look at the impact
this had.
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So, what happened?
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In the early 20th Century,
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what was historically
western Armenia
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was under the control
of the Ottoman Empire,
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present day Turkey.
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Justifying their actions
by the widely held sentiment
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that Christian Armenians
would align themselves
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with a hostile
and also Christian Russia,
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then undergoing
its second revolution
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and threatening their borders,
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the Turks rounded up
Armenian intellectuals
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and summarily executed them.
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Military and police units were
dispatched to the countryside
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to drive out Armenians
from their villages.
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They hanged local leaders
in the town squares,
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burned churches,
destroyed manuscripts,
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then marched anyone left
towards the Syrian desert,
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deliberately starving them
along the way.
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Those who survived
scattered across the globe.
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They formed large
and vibrant communities
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that survive today.
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They never forgot the past
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and who and what had pushed them
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from their homeland.
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Let's start with this:
genocide.
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Many people seem awfully
and curiously reluctant
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to use this word.
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As American national
foreign policy,
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we use what, "catastrophe"?
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Yeah, a "regrettable
series of incidents."
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- Yeah, how insulting.
- Yes.
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But, I mean, it seems to me,
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just as a casual observer,
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anytime a state actor
or organization
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makes a concerted
and organized effort
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to eradicate any ethnic
or national group
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that... that's genocide, right?
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Yes, what's important
though, however,
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is this is our defining issue.
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This is the unifying issue,
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and it's probably in many ways
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the only defining issue,
both good and bad.
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For Armenians, both Diaspora
and living here?
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Yes, it's the fact that, yes,
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my grandfather's a survivor,
every family's touched.
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But it's not the personal.
It's also the political.
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If Turkey wasn't so adamant
about denying
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the historical accuracy,
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this is what makes it
a living issue,
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a present issue.
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- Going forward...
- Mmm-hmm?
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Do you think there will be
some kind of reconciliation?
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Well, I'm
a little more positive.
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This is now the turning point,
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Armenia looking to normalize
relations with Turkey
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not because of the genocide
but despite the genocide.
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Do you have any expectation
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of fruitful negotiations
with Erdogan?
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It seems to me that
things have...
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kind of taken a downward turn.
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They have, but it was
never supposed to be that easy
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or that quick.
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We also need to go beyond
victimization
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and to take more pride
in survival.
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Lavash, the national bread.
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An ever-present feature
of the Armenian table
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and a part of everyday life.
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Baked on a tonir,
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or underground clay oven,
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its preparation is passed down
from generation to generation.
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Markets like Gum
near the city center
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date back to Soviet days,
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but they remain a favorite stop
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for an older generation
of Armenians.
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October brings an array
of seasonal produce,
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and Miriam
and her grandmother Leah
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pick up ingredients
for a fall tradition...
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Ghapama, a rice dish
baked in pumpkin.
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The top of the pumpkin
is removed,
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and the seeds and pulp
are scraped out.
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Dried fruit, almonds, and honey
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are mixed with rice
and baked inside.
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Incredible.
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So, as main course
we prepared Ghapama,
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which has its own song.
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Serj?
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Usually, when you bring in
the dish, you sing it.
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We don't cook it very often,
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but it's an autumn meal.
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We have some pickles there.
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We have Armenian cheese there.
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And I'm going to serve
Armenian bread.
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And this looks like...
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It looks like hummus.
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- It is hummus.
- That's hummus.
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Hummus and bread.
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And it's not Armenian.
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This is mutabal.
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We're not laying any claims
that they're Armenian,
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but many western
Armenian families
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grow up with this
on the table as well.
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Miriam, her mother,
and grandmother
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were all born here in Yerevan.
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Her husband, Nazareth,
and his family
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are more typical
of the diaspora Armenians.
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His mom, Nar, was born
in Beirut.
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Nazareth, in Toronto.
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What language
will your children speak?
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Where will they live?
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- Here.
- Yeah, here.
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No hesitation?
286
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That's the easy question
to answer.
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But I think the two of us
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would like them to grow up
being equally comfortable
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with Armenian, Russian,
and English.
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All three languages
are very, very important
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for anyone growing up
in Armenia.
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They are the two largest
Armenian diasporas,
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Russia and America, so.
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How many years was it
part of the Soviet Union?
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Uh, 70 years, since 1921
more or less until 1991.
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So, 70 years.
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But what remains of those times?
298
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You sound... wistful
about the old days.
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Are things better now or worse?
300
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When Armenia was swallowed up
by the Soviet Union in 1922,
301
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it became the Armenian
Soviet Socialist Republic.
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With that came purges
and paranoia
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but also a rapid
industrialization,
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the evidence of which
is still seen today
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in the abandoned factories
and worker's blocks
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of another time.
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And a Soviet mentality
and sizeable Russian presence
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still hang over the country
like a dead weight.
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No matter how you felt
about Soviet rule,
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the transition was a rough one.
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After the collapse
of the USSR in 1991,
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Armenia suffered
terrible food shortages
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and a ruined electrical grid
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that allowed only a couple
of hours of power a day,
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if you were lucky.
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The worst of those years
would be 1992 to 1994.
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But then a few years
after '94 as well.
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There was a lot
of pilferage in the beginning.
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There was a lot of...
It was dark, dark days.
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And the generation
literally learned alphabet
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with the candlelight.
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Back then, we had only
two hours maybe?
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It was something to observe
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because during those two hours
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someone would go to the balcony
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and scream in the yard:
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"We have lights,
the electricity is back!"
328
00:16:45,383 --> 00:16:47,730
And everybody would go
do their laundry,
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ironing, and cooking.
330
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Everything would be done
in that one hour.
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Oh yeah.
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But they raised us with love,
333
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and we would play games.
334
00:17:04,575 --> 00:17:07,578
Ma would have her friends
coming over playing guitar.
335
00:17:07,612 --> 00:17:11,202
Looking back, I don't remember
the darkness.
336
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I remember that it was dark,
337
00:17:12,479 --> 00:17:15,448
but emotionally
we didn't feel that.
338
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Parents, grandparents
really did their best
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00:17:18,968 --> 00:17:20,763
for kids not to feel
the darkness.
340
00:17:20,798 --> 00:17:23,628
It was heroism on their part.
341
00:17:23,663 --> 00:17:24,871
Especially in the winter.
342
00:17:24,905 --> 00:17:26,528
Especially the winter.
343
00:17:26,562 --> 00:17:29,117
But also I think we're observing
344
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a very interesting period
of our history
345
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when change is happening.
346
00:17:34,639 --> 00:17:36,607
Little by little,
and it's us to make.
347
00:17:36,641 --> 00:17:38,471
Right, Serj?
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00:17:49,585 --> 00:17:51,139
♪
349
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The Tumo Center
350
00:18:15,715 --> 00:18:17,993
is an after-school program
for kids.
351
00:18:18,027 --> 00:18:19,857
You get to pick your course
of study,
352
00:18:19,891 --> 00:18:23,585
be it art, technology,
creative writing, whatever.
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00:18:23,619 --> 00:18:25,000
There are no grades,
354
00:18:25,034 --> 00:18:27,658
no mandatory
course requirements,
355
00:18:27,692 --> 00:18:29,625
and upwards of 14,000 kids
are enrolled
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at four locations
across Armenia.
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It's free,
an entirely non-profit,
358
00:18:34,803 --> 00:18:36,356
privately funded venture,
359
00:18:36,391 --> 00:18:39,911
an investment in the youth
of a young country.
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00:18:54,305 --> 00:18:55,893
The main goal is
361
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to complement
their formal education.
362
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,210
The curriculum is not mandatory.
363
00:19:02,244 --> 00:19:04,384
You pick what you want.
364
00:19:04,419 --> 00:19:05,834
You can pick music,
365
00:19:05,868 --> 00:19:09,217
graphic design, 3D modeling,
366
00:19:09,251 --> 00:19:11,046
or programming, games,
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00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,222
whatever, photography, robotics.
368
00:19:14,256 --> 00:19:17,017
The managing director,
Maria Lou Papazian,
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00:19:17,052 --> 00:19:19,744
and her husband Pegor
are two former members
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00:19:19,779 --> 00:19:22,230
of the Armenian Diaspora,
371
00:19:22,264 --> 00:19:24,404
both extraordinary
but not unusual
372
00:19:24,439 --> 00:19:25,854
in the new Armenia.
373
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They're not ex-pats but re-pats,
374
00:19:28,132 --> 00:19:29,996
people who though not born here
375
00:19:30,030 --> 00:19:33,102
have chosen to come home
and help build a nation.
376
00:19:33,137 --> 00:19:34,828
Well, we grew up
together in Beirut
377
00:19:34,863 --> 00:19:36,416
then moved to the States.
378
00:19:36,451 --> 00:19:38,073
And the reason we moved
379
00:19:38,107 --> 00:19:40,317
was because of
the Armenian thing.
380
00:19:40,351 --> 00:19:41,939
Our kid was growing up,
381
00:19:41,973 --> 00:19:45,770
so we told our friends
we're gonna move,
382
00:19:45,805 --> 00:19:47,190
we need him to go
to Armenian school.
383
00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:48,720
So they said,
"You're going to Armenia?"
384
00:19:48,739 --> 00:19:51,914
I said,
"No, Glendale, California."
385
00:19:51,949 --> 00:19:54,572
But, eventually,
we did move here, 12 years ago.
386
00:19:54,607 --> 00:19:56,264
Living in Glendale
387
00:19:56,298 --> 00:19:57,955
and keeping always saying
388
00:19:57,989 --> 00:20:00,129
you have to keep your identity
389
00:20:00,164 --> 00:20:02,097
was strange.
390
00:20:02,131 --> 00:20:05,963
And every time coming up
with stories for the kids,
391
00:20:05,997 --> 00:20:07,965
you have to love your country,
392
00:20:07,999 --> 00:20:10,554
you're Armenian,
you have to speak Armenian.
393
00:20:10,588 --> 00:20:12,038
Whereas once you're here,
394
00:20:12,072 --> 00:20:13,626
you just forget all about that,
395
00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:16,249
and it's more about being
a good person,
396
00:20:16,284 --> 00:20:18,458
having ambitions, all of that.
397
00:20:18,493 --> 00:20:20,046
And the Armenian part,
398
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,979
you can let that
happen naturally.
399
00:20:22,013 --> 00:20:27,881
Apricot vodka
is a good start to a meal.
400
00:20:27,916 --> 00:20:30,367
Gyan is local favorite,
401
00:20:30,401 --> 00:20:33,301
a restaurant operating out of
what was once a private home,
402
00:20:33,335 --> 00:20:35,993
something of a throwback
to Soviet days
403
00:20:36,027 --> 00:20:38,651
like the Cuban paladars,
when private enterprise,
404
00:20:38,685 --> 00:20:41,309
not to mention the spending
of money on entertainment,
405
00:20:41,343 --> 00:20:46,141
could be frowned on,
and privacy was at a premium.
406
00:20:48,212 --> 00:20:52,837
Trout wrapped and baked
in lavash.
407
00:20:52,872 --> 00:20:55,668
This is not light cooking.
408
00:21:01,881 --> 00:21:04,021
There's certain things
409
00:21:04,055 --> 00:21:06,506
about especially maybe
the last 20, 30 years
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00:21:06,541 --> 00:21:08,301
of the Soviet Union, '60s on,
411
00:21:08,336 --> 00:21:11,856
that not the brutal, early
Bolshevik Stalinist times
412
00:21:11,891 --> 00:21:14,618
but later on were,
in terms of investment
413
00:21:14,652 --> 00:21:15,964
and culture and education...
414
00:21:15,998 --> 00:21:17,931
Well, I mean, it's very much
415
00:21:17,966 --> 00:21:19,692
a legacy of the Soviet Union.
416
00:21:19,726 --> 00:21:22,281
Armenia was kind of
a nerd republic in a way.
417
00:21:22,315 --> 00:21:24,697
They specialized
in different republics,
418
00:21:24,731 --> 00:21:27,216
and Armenia was where
they concentrated
419
00:21:27,251 --> 00:21:31,359
science, technology,
particle accelerator,
420
00:21:31,393 --> 00:21:33,671
radio telescope, all of that.
421
00:21:33,706 --> 00:21:35,708
And so we benefitted from that,
422
00:21:35,742 --> 00:21:37,641
and you see a lot of
Armenians attributing that
423
00:21:37,675 --> 00:21:39,332
to our "genes" and so on.
424
00:21:39,367 --> 00:21:43,060
But, of course, our genes
are the same as anyone else's.
425
00:21:43,094 --> 00:21:45,683
It's the culture that...
Right.
426
00:21:45,718 --> 00:21:47,264
You know, you take
the good with the bad,
427
00:21:47,271 --> 00:21:50,723
and the good is we're
a cerebral nation in a way.
428
00:21:50,757 --> 00:21:52,656
That's how we grew up.
We like chess.
429
00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:55,141
We're like we're nerds.
430
00:22:18,889 --> 00:22:21,926
Armenia enjoyed
a somewhat celebrated status
431
00:22:21,961 --> 00:22:23,480
during Soviet times,
432
00:22:23,514 --> 00:22:26,345
and Russian influence
is everywhere still.
433
00:22:26,379 --> 00:22:28,347
Chess is taught
in public schools,
434
00:22:28,381 --> 00:22:30,279
a basic life skill.
435
00:22:30,314 --> 00:22:34,249
It's probably the fact that
Armenia was such a powerhouse
436
00:22:34,283 --> 00:22:36,596
of smart, highly educated
brainiacs
437
00:22:36,631 --> 00:22:39,116
with strong backgrounds
in engineering, math,
438
00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:41,256
rocketry, and technology,
439
00:22:41,290 --> 00:22:44,224
a veritable Silicon Valley
of the Caucuses
440
00:22:44,259 --> 00:22:48,436
that largely spared them
the worst of Soviet rule,
441
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:51,370
and also perhaps the reason
that it continues
442
00:22:51,404 --> 00:22:53,406
to be a leader in IT.
443
00:22:53,441 --> 00:22:56,720
I meet a few members
from the tech community
444
00:22:56,754 --> 00:22:59,136
at a local brewery in Yerevan...
445
00:22:59,170 --> 00:23:02,035
Arthur, an industry writer,
446
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:04,969
Harot, a software engineer,
447
00:23:05,004 --> 00:23:07,455
and Ruben, a cyber security
consultant.
448
00:23:07,489 --> 00:23:09,940
So what are you making?
449
00:23:09,974 --> 00:23:11,459
What is coming of this?
450
00:23:11,493 --> 00:23:14,427
IT is a big...
451
00:23:14,462 --> 00:23:16,325
- For the country.
- It's a big house.
452
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,051
So, websites,
453
00:23:18,086 --> 00:23:19,881
web based stuff and chip design.
454
00:23:19,915 --> 00:23:21,779
We're all over the place
actually.
455
00:23:21,814 --> 00:23:23,609
But this comes
from the old times, you know.
456
00:23:23,643 --> 00:23:25,438
Like, in Soviet times
what happened is
457
00:23:25,473 --> 00:23:27,095
they manufactured chips,
458
00:23:27,129 --> 00:23:29,166
lots of electronic stuff for...
459
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,340
I heard for Soviet submarines.
460
00:23:31,375 --> 00:23:33,446
But actually it was
461
00:23:33,481 --> 00:23:36,484
a success story
in the Soviet time.
462
00:23:36,518 --> 00:23:38,347
You can have a success story
463
00:23:38,382 --> 00:23:41,143
if you were
a Communist Party official
464
00:23:41,178 --> 00:23:44,008
or if you were doing science.
465
00:23:44,043 --> 00:23:45,941
Or perhaps artist,
and that's it.
466
00:23:45,976 --> 00:23:50,014
And the science was
the most clean career.
467
00:23:50,049 --> 00:23:53,293
I mean, you were not
compromising your own beliefs,
468
00:23:53,328 --> 00:23:55,364
and you were
doing something good.
469
00:23:55,399 --> 00:23:58,816
If you were to imagine
the perfect business
470
00:23:58,851 --> 00:24:01,819
and the most efficient export
for a land-locked nation
471
00:24:01,854 --> 00:24:04,028
with most of its borders closed,
472
00:24:04,063 --> 00:24:06,686
it would be
information technology, right?
473
00:24:06,721 --> 00:24:08,999
Or, to put it simply, brains.
474
00:24:09,033 --> 00:24:11,829
They teach chess in school?
Yes.
475
00:24:11,864 --> 00:24:15,833
In school?
Starting at what age?
476
00:24:15,868 --> 00:24:17,386
Third grade.
My son hates it, he's...
477
00:24:17,421 --> 00:24:19,112
No, second grade.
478
00:24:19,147 --> 00:24:22,391
- So everybody plays chess?
- Yeah, you kind of...
479
00:24:22,426 --> 00:24:24,670
That already is
a very different...
480
00:24:24,704 --> 00:24:25,981
I have a ranking actually.
481
00:24:26,016 --> 00:24:27,776
Really? I didn't know.
Come on.
482
00:24:27,811 --> 00:24:29,502
Small number.
483
00:24:29,537 --> 00:24:32,609
But that's a very different
mentality than most places.
484
00:24:32,643 --> 00:24:36,026
Actually, my mom
took me to chess class.
485
00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:37,959
It was not because
of the country's
486
00:24:37,993 --> 00:24:39,892
like a super nation in chess
or something.
487
00:24:39,926 --> 00:24:42,135
Just she wanted to take me
some place
488
00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:45,345
where, like, I can develop
my brains.
489
00:24:45,380 --> 00:24:48,176
But, actually,
there's a quick answer.
490
00:24:48,210 --> 00:24:50,419
When you are being oppressed
491
00:24:50,454 --> 00:24:52,076
during your history,
492
00:24:52,111 --> 00:24:55,563
knowledge is something
that cannot be taken off you.
493
00:24:55,597 --> 00:24:59,083
Anything can happen.
Soviet Union can collapse.
494
00:24:59,118 --> 00:25:02,017
There can be pogroms.
There can be immigration.
495
00:25:02,052 --> 00:25:05,434
They can take your home.
They can take your fortune.
496
00:25:05,469 --> 00:25:07,333
But knowledge and skill
is something
497
00:25:07,367 --> 00:25:10,543
that remains with you
for all of the time.
498
00:25:10,578 --> 00:25:14,582
And that's why Armenians
are investing in education,
499
00:25:14,616 --> 00:25:16,515
in knowledge, in skill,
500
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:19,276
to invest in the development
of a child.
501
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:24,833
All of us are children
that were invested in.
502
00:25:24,868 --> 00:25:29,113
The knowledge is something
that you always keep with you.
503
00:25:29,148 --> 00:25:33,532
I think this explains a lot.
504
00:25:47,822 --> 00:25:50,203
My trip to the disputed,
505
00:25:50,238 --> 00:25:52,758
Armenian-controlled enclave
of Nagorno-Karabakh
506
00:25:52,792 --> 00:25:55,381
requires an early morning stop
at a military base
507
00:25:55,415 --> 00:25:57,383
on the outskirts of Yerevan.
508
00:25:57,417 --> 00:26:01,214
And, apparently,
a flight in this thing,
509
00:26:01,249 --> 00:26:04,770
a smoking, flame-belching,
banged-up looking
510
00:26:04,804 --> 00:26:07,289
Soviet Mi-8 twin turbine chopper
511
00:26:07,324 --> 00:26:09,602
whose appearance
prior to boarding
512
00:26:09,637 --> 00:26:12,398
does not fill me
with confidence.
513
00:26:20,337 --> 00:26:23,236
But, once up in the air,
514
00:26:23,271 --> 00:26:26,446
it takes me over crags
and peaks and steppes
515
00:26:26,481 --> 00:26:28,414
across the international
recognized border
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00:26:28,448 --> 00:26:30,002
with Azerbaijan
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00:26:30,036 --> 00:26:33,074
to what the Armenians
call Arstakh,
518
00:26:33,108 --> 00:26:36,905
an isolated pocket
surrounded on all sides
519
00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:39,080
by Azeris.
520
00:26:39,114 --> 00:26:42,083
Whose mountains these are
521
00:26:42,117 --> 00:26:45,811
is a subject of contention
and conflict to say the least.
522
00:26:45,845 --> 00:26:48,607
When the borders of
the South Caucasus were drawn
523
00:26:48,641 --> 00:26:52,024
by the Russian conquerors
some 200 years ago,
524
00:26:52,058 --> 00:26:53,646
a strong Russian presence
kept ethnic
525
00:26:53,681 --> 00:26:55,683
and religious rivalries
in check.
526
00:26:55,717 --> 00:26:58,340
But, whenever disorder
hit Russia,
527
00:26:58,375 --> 00:26:59,997
war has broken out here.
528
00:27:00,032 --> 00:27:03,483
Most recently, after the fall
of the USSR.
529
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:08,488
The brutal conflict
went largely ignored
530
00:27:08,523 --> 00:27:10,214
internationally.
531
00:27:10,249 --> 00:27:11,664
As with any war,
532
00:27:11,699 --> 00:27:13,459
particularly wars with an ethnic
533
00:27:13,493 --> 00:27:15,668
or religious component
over territory,
534
00:27:15,703 --> 00:27:17,670
it was ugly, murderous,
535
00:27:17,705 --> 00:27:21,812
and with atrocities
committed by both sides.
536
00:27:21,847 --> 00:27:25,057
1992 was a turning point.
537
00:27:25,091 --> 00:27:27,784
The Armenians organized
and created their own army
538
00:27:27,818 --> 00:27:29,786
and, surprising everyone,
pushed through
539
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,064
and took full control
of Karabakh
540
00:27:32,098 --> 00:27:34,583
and the surrounding areas.
541
00:27:34,618 --> 00:27:37,483
These buffer zones
are ethnically Azeri
542
00:27:37,517 --> 00:27:38,898
and bitterly contested
543
00:27:38,933 --> 00:27:41,798
and the subject
of continuing dispute.
544
00:27:41,832 --> 00:27:44,490
There are still
violent confrontations,
545
00:27:44,524 --> 00:27:47,044
the latest being
a four-day battle
546
00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:49,875
in the Spring of 2016.
547
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:52,153
Russia's role in the conflict
548
00:27:52,187 --> 00:27:54,017
is suspiciously cynical.
549
00:27:54,051 --> 00:27:58,159
They actively arm, support,
and advise both sides
550
00:27:58,193 --> 00:27:59,988
as it appears in their interest
551
00:28:00,023 --> 00:28:04,061
that there be
no lasting resolution.
552
00:28:04,096 --> 00:28:04,596
♪
553
00:28:08,203 --> 00:28:10,447
Travel to this region
continues to be
554
00:28:10,481 --> 00:28:12,345
a particularly sensitive issue,
555
00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:14,589
especially for the Azeris.
556
00:28:14,623 --> 00:28:16,695
Simply by coming here,
I've become,
557
00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:19,283
as I read in the papers
a few days later,
558
00:28:19,318 --> 00:28:24,012
officially persona non grata
in Azerbaijan.
559
00:28:24,047 --> 00:28:28,603
Stepanakert is the capital
of the autonomous republic
560
00:28:28,637 --> 00:28:31,744
of Nagorno-Karabakh.
561
00:28:31,779 --> 00:28:36,231
And overlooking it,
the village of Shushi.
562
00:28:44,964 --> 00:28:48,761
Zhingalov Khats is
a specialty of the region.
563
00:28:48,796 --> 00:28:52,040
This lavash bread is stuffed
with greens and onions
564
00:28:52,075 --> 00:28:55,630
before being toasted
atop a cast-iron sheet.
565
00:29:02,913 --> 00:29:06,745
Khorovats... basically,
Armenian barbecue.
566
00:29:06,779 --> 00:29:08,229
Meat on a stick,
567
00:29:08,263 --> 00:29:11,611
which is... let's face it...
Always good.
568
00:29:14,442 --> 00:29:17,756
Khorovats.
569
00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:21,311
Armenians try sometimes
to cook it.
570
00:29:21,345 --> 00:29:25,004
Not the same thing.
571
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,661
Armenia and Karabakh,
572
00:29:26,695 --> 00:29:29,146
two different things
or the same?
573
00:29:29,181 --> 00:29:32,011
Not really. Karabakh is...
574
00:29:32,046 --> 00:29:34,255
definitely part of
the Armenian civilization,
575
00:29:34,289 --> 00:29:36,084
the Armenian culture.
576
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:37,776
I wouldn't separate them.
577
00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:40,468
I think Karabakh is
part of Armenia
578
00:29:40,502 --> 00:29:42,642
but not part of
the Republic of Armenia.
579
00:29:42,677 --> 00:29:44,921
It's like a continuation
of Armenia.
580
00:29:44,955 --> 00:29:46,094
We are the same.
581
00:29:46,129 --> 00:29:47,924
Tegran served in the military
582
00:29:47,958 --> 00:29:51,168
and is now is Karabakh's
only opposition party.
583
00:29:51,203 --> 00:29:52,791
Tatool is a journalist.
584
00:29:52,825 --> 00:29:55,207
Saro, our host, is Armenian
585
00:29:55,241 --> 00:29:56,864
but born in Azerbaijan,
586
00:29:56,898 --> 00:29:59,142
having fled during the war.
587
00:29:59,176 --> 00:30:01,938
He now runs a guest house
here in Shushi.
588
00:30:01,972 --> 00:30:05,734
To what extent is this
just a religious conflict?
589
00:30:05,769 --> 00:30:07,074
- No, it's not really.
- Not at all?
590
00:30:07,081 --> 00:30:10,360
- No, no, no, no. Nothing...
- No, no.
591
00:30:10,394 --> 00:30:12,155
This is a Christian island.
592
00:30:12,189 --> 00:30:14,640
Well, this is
Christian island, it's true.
593
00:30:14,674 --> 00:30:15,848
This is Christian island.
594
00:30:15,883 --> 00:30:18,402
But the conflict
of Nagorno-Karabakh
595
00:30:18,437 --> 00:30:19,887
is not religious.
596
00:30:19,921 --> 00:30:22,303
There are people here,
hardliners here,
597
00:30:22,337 --> 00:30:24,823
who refer to Azeris as Turks.
598
00:30:24,857 --> 00:30:26,894
- But they are Turks.
- They are Turks.
599
00:30:26,928 --> 00:30:30,138
- They are Turks, yes.
- Please explain.
600
00:30:30,173 --> 00:30:33,901
I think probably they are
not ident...
601
00:30:33,935 --> 00:30:36,558
They do not bear
historical responsibility
602
00:30:36,593 --> 00:30:39,044
for the actions committed
by the Ottomans.
603
00:30:39,078 --> 00:30:42,254
But the struggle of
the people Nagorno-Karabakh
604
00:30:42,288 --> 00:30:46,051
for their existence is
continuation of the struggle
605
00:30:46,085 --> 00:30:49,261
of Armenian people
to live peacefully on...
606
00:30:49,295 --> 00:30:51,228
In their historical homeland.
607
00:30:51,263 --> 00:30:54,335
I'm not saying that
Azeris and Turks
608
00:30:54,369 --> 00:30:55,784
are the same nations.
609
00:30:55,819 --> 00:30:56,882
But they are Turk nations...
610
00:30:56,889 --> 00:30:58,891
They're working in unison.
611
00:30:58,926 --> 00:31:02,239
Yeah, they're working
in unity today
612
00:31:02,274 --> 00:31:04,000
to isolate Armenia.
613
00:31:04,034 --> 00:31:05,760
Do you think there's a sense
614
00:31:05,794 --> 00:31:07,935
that when people
look at this conflict
615
00:31:07,969 --> 00:31:10,213
they think they look back
and they say
616
00:31:10,247 --> 00:31:11,870
this is what could happen
in the future?
617
00:31:11,904 --> 00:31:13,112
Yeah, absolutely.
618
00:31:13,147 --> 00:31:15,735
It is absolutely
an existential conflict.
619
00:31:15,770 --> 00:31:18,704
If we lose, we know
that we will be destroyed.
620
00:31:18,738 --> 00:31:22,294
Who will help?
Who cares?
621
00:31:22,328 --> 00:31:23,364
Support?
622
00:31:23,398 --> 00:31:24,434
Who will support you
623
00:31:24,468 --> 00:31:26,539
if things once again get ugly?
624
00:31:26,574 --> 00:31:27,740
What do you think the future...
625
00:31:27,747 --> 00:31:29,646
- No one, no one. We.
- No one?
626
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,131
I think there is
a clear understanding
627
00:31:32,166 --> 00:31:33,270
in Armenian society
628
00:31:33,305 --> 00:31:36,032
that we can only rely
on ourselves.
629
00:31:36,066 --> 00:31:38,724
But another reality
is we are paying
630
00:31:38,758 --> 00:31:40,036
very, very high price.
631
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:44,385
Since 1994, Armenian
and Karabakh sides
632
00:31:44,419 --> 00:31:48,078
lost about 3,000 soldiers.
633
00:31:48,113 --> 00:31:54,429
We are losing our 18,
20 year old sons, you know.
634
00:31:54,464 --> 00:31:56,259
This is sad reality.
635
00:31:56,293 --> 00:32:00,815
And I don't know how
will this situation continue.
636
00:32:00,849 --> 00:32:02,334
I don't know.
637
00:32:02,368 --> 00:32:06,234
I think it's the right time
to drink for peace.
638
00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:08,409
For peace, yeah.
639
00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:09,479
You read my mind now.
640
00:32:09,513 --> 00:32:12,620
So, cheers.
641
00:32:12,654 --> 00:32:13,932
Cheers.
642
00:32:20,214 --> 00:32:20,714
♪
643
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,446
It's a 3 1/2 hour train ride
from the capital to Gyumri,
644
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,863
Armenia's second largest city.
645
00:32:58,769 --> 00:33:01,117
Gyumri was at the near epicenter
646
00:33:01,151 --> 00:33:02,981
of the magnitude 7.0
earthquake
647
00:33:03,015 --> 00:33:07,502
that absolutely devastated
much of the country in 1988,
648
00:33:07,537 --> 00:33:09,711
killing 25,000 people
649
00:33:09,746 --> 00:33:12,887
and displacing hundreds
of thousands more.
650
00:33:12,921 --> 00:33:14,993
Recovery was made more difficult
651
00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:17,754
by the subsequent collapse
of the Soviet Union
652
00:33:17,788 --> 00:33:19,411
and the Karabakh war.
653
00:33:19,445 --> 00:33:21,930
Manufacturing, infrastructure,
654
00:33:21,965 --> 00:33:25,382
the country's industrial base
and political stability
655
00:33:25,417 --> 00:33:29,869
all crumbled
along with the buildings.
656
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:34,391
The cemetery
on the way into town
657
00:33:34,426 --> 00:33:36,083
gives you a powerful reminder
658
00:33:36,117 --> 00:33:38,050
of how many died.
659
00:33:38,085 --> 00:33:41,674
One tombstone after another
after another,
660
00:33:41,709 --> 00:33:44,574
all dating back
to the same year.
661
00:33:55,999 --> 00:34:01,867
Poloz Mukuch sits
on a recently rebuilt street.
662
00:34:01,901 --> 00:34:05,422
Inside, I meet with
three young Gyumritzi
663
00:34:05,457 --> 00:34:07,976
determined to rebuild
and revitalize
664
00:34:08,011 --> 00:34:10,255
their city and their country.
665
00:34:10,289 --> 00:34:12,912
Anush works for
an equal rights NGO
666
00:34:12,947 --> 00:34:14,535
back in Yerevan.
667
00:34:14,569 --> 00:34:19,229
Amalia is in tech,
and Gayan works in tourism.
668
00:34:19,264 --> 00:34:21,645
So were you all born here?
669
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,820
- Yes.
- Born in this city.
670
00:34:23,854 --> 00:34:27,306
But two of you live here.
Who doesn't live here?
671
00:34:27,341 --> 00:34:29,067
I live in Yerevan.
672
00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:30,447
You live in Yerevan now.
673
00:34:30,482 --> 00:34:32,898
I have lived in Yerevan
for four years,
674
00:34:32,932 --> 00:34:35,280
and that's the beauty
of my story.
675
00:34:35,314 --> 00:34:36,936
Then I came back.
676
00:34:36,971 --> 00:34:40,457
It doesn't matter
how it was hard to suffer here.
677
00:34:40,492 --> 00:34:43,081
Me, my family, my father,
678
00:34:43,115 --> 00:34:45,428
we never thought
to leave the city.
679
00:34:45,462 --> 00:34:47,982
And that's why for me
Gyumri history
680
00:34:48,016 --> 00:34:50,812
is divided into two parts.
681
00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:52,780
Like, before earthquake
682
00:34:52,814 --> 00:34:55,783
the nice story
I heard from my parents,
683
00:34:55,817 --> 00:34:57,267
and after the earthquake
684
00:34:57,302 --> 00:35:00,339
the difficulties
and hard times we had.
685
00:35:00,374 --> 00:35:03,135
But also the renaissance
686
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:05,310
that now the city is changing
687
00:35:05,344 --> 00:35:07,864
because the generation
is changing.
688
00:35:09,969 --> 00:35:13,421
This is...
This is some typical soup.
689
00:35:13,456 --> 00:35:16,666
Oxtail? Oxtail soup, yeah.
690
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,255
It should be a little spicy.
691
00:35:19,289 --> 00:35:20,497
- Good.
- Yeah.
692
00:35:20,532 --> 00:35:23,259
And this is liver and heart?
693
00:35:23,293 --> 00:35:24,329
- Yes.
- Delicious.
694
00:35:24,363 --> 00:35:27,159
With tomato and oil.
695
00:35:27,194 --> 00:35:28,885
This, what's this dish called?
696
00:35:28,919 --> 00:35:30,707
I mean, I know what it is,
it's a sheep's head but...
697
00:35:30,714 --> 00:35:32,647
- Yes.
- This is called "kalleh."
698
00:35:32,682 --> 00:35:35,340
- "Kalleh." Kalleh.
- In the local language.
699
00:35:35,374 --> 00:35:37,376
When I was kid,
I remember my father
700
00:35:37,411 --> 00:35:40,172
not only went
to restaurant with kalleh,
701
00:35:40,207 --> 00:35:41,863
but he brought it home for us.
702
00:35:41,898 --> 00:35:43,348
- Oh yeah?
- And I was afraid.
703
00:35:43,382 --> 00:35:45,902
I was afraid of the teeth.
Yeah.
704
00:35:45,936 --> 00:35:49,630
Actually, you got
the good part there.
705
00:35:49,664 --> 00:35:52,288
Yeah.
706
00:35:52,322 --> 00:35:53,875
So, let me ask this.
707
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:58,846
Technology not just here
but Armenia in general
708
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,677
seems to be the major hope
for the future.
709
00:36:02,712 --> 00:36:06,854
What do you think the city
will be like in 20 years?
710
00:36:06,888 --> 00:36:11,203
You know, the history
is not a stable thing
711
00:36:11,238 --> 00:36:13,378
that we can count on.
712
00:36:13,412 --> 00:36:15,656
But what I see 10 years ago
and 10 years now
713
00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:17,830
Gyumri is developing quite fast.
714
00:36:17,865 --> 00:36:20,212
It's really good.
I see really good developments.
715
00:36:20,247 --> 00:36:24,527
And I can say that's mostly due
to the younger generation.
716
00:36:24,561 --> 00:36:26,114
I would definitely say that.
717
00:36:26,149 --> 00:36:29,428
It's self-employment
and entrepreneurship
718
00:36:29,463 --> 00:36:31,775
that is developing
among the youth
719
00:36:31,810 --> 00:36:35,607
very, very in a very kind of
fast way these days.
720
00:36:35,641 --> 00:36:38,782
Because people understand
that if you stay in Gyumri
721
00:36:38,817 --> 00:36:41,199
you need to create
your own stuff.
722
00:36:41,233 --> 00:36:43,408
We never should stop.
723
00:36:43,442 --> 00:36:44,754
We never should wait for others
724
00:36:44,788 --> 00:36:47,274
to help our city and ourselves.
725
00:36:47,308 --> 00:36:49,241
We should think,
we should create,
726
00:36:49,276 --> 00:36:51,519
we should use our strong sides
727
00:36:51,554 --> 00:36:53,728
to move forward.
728
00:37:05,947 --> 00:37:07,259
♪
729
00:37:13,645 --> 00:37:15,267
The GAZ M21 Volga
730
00:37:15,302 --> 00:37:18,891
Executive Class four-door sedan.
731
00:37:18,926 --> 00:37:22,274
Don't mind us.
We're just Volga'ing.
732
00:37:22,309 --> 00:37:25,173
The ultimate
is Soviet driving luxury.
733
00:37:28,832 --> 00:37:31,456
Corinthian leather, nice.
Yeah.
734
00:37:36,184 --> 00:37:38,463
Wonder what top speed
on this thing is.
735
00:37:38,497 --> 00:37:40,327
I don't want to wonder.
736
00:37:40,361 --> 00:37:41,949
The decelerator
isn't that great.
737
00:37:41,983 --> 00:37:43,433
Right.
738
00:37:43,468 --> 00:37:46,643
Only an hour's drive
from the capital
739
00:37:46,678 --> 00:37:48,024
sits Lake Sevan
740
00:37:48,058 --> 00:37:52,408
in some beautiful countryside.
741
00:37:52,442 --> 00:37:54,824
So it's the Switzerland
of Armenia?
742
00:37:54,858 --> 00:37:56,860
Dilijan is the Switzerland
of Armenia.
743
00:37:56,895 --> 00:37:59,173
It's one of
my favorite spots actually.
744
00:37:59,207 --> 00:38:00,933
What am I eating today?
745
00:38:00,968 --> 00:38:03,177
I think you're eating
khash today.
746
00:38:03,211 --> 00:38:04,972
Said to be a hangover cure.
747
00:38:05,006 --> 00:38:06,491
That's it, yeah.
748
00:38:06,525 --> 00:38:09,010
It's made out of
legs of cows, I think.
749
00:38:09,045 --> 00:38:11,358
Cool, I like legs of cows.
750
00:38:11,392 --> 00:38:12,359
I like their eyes.
751
00:38:12,393 --> 00:38:14,015
Not to eat but just to look at.
752
00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:15,810
Me too, they're so dreamy.
753
00:38:15,845 --> 00:38:17,191
They are.
754
00:38:17,225 --> 00:38:18,468
Yeah.
755
00:38:18,503 --> 00:38:19,849
No, it's beautiful here.
756
00:38:19,883 --> 00:38:22,472
♪
757
00:38:25,544 --> 00:38:27,132
Cheers, thank you.
758
00:38:28,375 --> 00:38:30,860
- Yeah, thanks.
- They're cold.
759
00:38:30,894 --> 00:38:32,862
Yeah, I'm offering it short,
760
00:38:32,896 --> 00:38:34,864
but it has like I want to do it
for Armenia,
761
00:38:34,898 --> 00:38:37,142
for the hosts
and for the khash makers.
762
00:38:37,176 --> 00:38:39,247
Okay. Good.
763
00:38:44,701 --> 00:38:49,257
Cheers. Cheers. Welcome.
764
00:38:49,292 --> 00:38:51,881
Joining Serj and I at the table
765
00:38:51,915 --> 00:38:54,470
are George, his longtime
manager and friend,
766
00:38:54,504 --> 00:38:57,749
Malina, the proprietor
of the place,
767
00:38:57,783 --> 00:38:59,889
and Sam, a restaurateur
from Yerevan,
768
00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:03,341
along with some friends.
769
00:39:03,375 --> 00:39:06,723
Khash is what hipster goofs
these days
770
00:39:06,758 --> 00:39:08,691
would call bone broth,
771
00:39:08,725 --> 00:39:14,317
basically a stock flavored
by roasted beef bones.
772
00:39:16,284 --> 00:39:18,045
In Armenian,
we say "khash."
773
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,012
It means just boiled.
Right.
774
00:39:20,047 --> 00:39:22,394
So there is big debate whether
it's Georgian or Armenian.
775
00:39:22,429 --> 00:39:24,914
Of course, every Armenian
is sure it's Armenian.
776
00:39:24,948 --> 00:39:28,193
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
777
00:39:29,574 --> 00:39:32,577
Don't do the lavash first,
please.
778
00:39:32,611 --> 00:39:34,130
We're gonna do the...
779
00:39:34,164 --> 00:39:36,443
Garlic, garlic.
First comes garlic.
780
00:39:36,477 --> 00:39:38,099
I see.
781
00:39:38,134 --> 00:39:39,584
But pay attention to the salt.
782
00:39:39,618 --> 00:39:42,966
If you are not leveling it
with the right level...
783
00:39:43,001 --> 00:39:45,279
Garlic level for you, it's okay?
784
00:39:45,313 --> 00:39:47,108
Yeah, so garlic.
So far so good.
785
00:39:47,143 --> 00:39:49,110
Then, okay, you have
one more plate.
786
00:39:49,145 --> 00:39:50,767
You remove the meat.
787
00:39:50,802 --> 00:39:54,288
Wow, this is...
You take this very seriously.
788
00:39:54,322 --> 00:39:56,739
- Yeah, yeah.
- This is a ritual.
789
00:39:56,773 --> 00:39:57,947
It's a ritual.
790
00:39:57,981 --> 00:39:59,535
Does everybody have
their own style?
791
00:39:59,569 --> 00:40:02,123
Or is this the absolute...
This is the way?
792
00:40:02,158 --> 00:40:03,470
Yeah, but the classics say
793
00:40:03,504 --> 00:40:05,299
you have to eat with your hands.
794
00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:08,302
This is... this is the classics.
You eat with your hands.
795
00:40:08,336 --> 00:40:09,721
Whoever is not eating
with his hands,
796
00:40:09,752 --> 00:40:11,236
they are teasing him.
797
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:12,996
"Hey, you're a loser"
or something like that.
798
00:40:13,031 --> 00:40:14,619
- Really?
- Yeah.
799
00:40:14,653 --> 00:40:16,483
And you're literally
judged by a person
800
00:40:16,517 --> 00:40:18,726
if he's eating good khash or...
801
00:40:18,761 --> 00:40:20,452
- Yeah, yeah.
- Like, "See the guy?"
802
00:40:20,487 --> 00:40:22,143
He's the first, see the guy.
803
00:40:22,178 --> 00:40:24,456
- Harsh. That's...
- See the guy.
804
00:40:24,491 --> 00:40:27,839
You're like the Ayatollah
of food, man.
805
00:40:29,841 --> 00:40:32,464
You're very...
806
00:40:32,499 --> 00:40:34,777
Ayatollah.
807
00:40:36,779 --> 00:40:38,159
- Are you ready?
- Yeah.
808
00:40:38,194 --> 00:40:39,851
Okay, we have a saying
809
00:40:39,885 --> 00:40:41,784
when we first come to a house
810
00:40:41,818 --> 00:40:43,095
to a place that hosts us.
811
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:46,789
We say...
[speaks Armenian]
812
00:40:46,823 --> 00:40:48,653
Which literally means:
813
00:40:48,687 --> 00:40:51,656
"Let my feet bring
luck to this home."
814
00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:58,525
So, let your feet
bring luck to our country,
815
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:02,598
to Dilijan, and to this home.
816
00:41:04,392 --> 00:41:07,465
I think guys with khash
we do like lots of toasts,
817
00:41:07,499 --> 00:41:09,501
but it has to be short.
818
00:41:09,536 --> 00:41:11,676
You can go like Armenian toasts
are very long.
819
00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:14,472
Because people have
to be concentrated on khash.
820
00:41:14,506 --> 00:41:17,371
No, no, no, because it
will get cold.
821
00:41:17,405 --> 00:41:20,892
Yeah, yeah, we were
always between Iran and Rome.
822
00:41:20,926 --> 00:41:24,620
So, we're used to being between
to survive.
823
00:41:24,654 --> 00:41:27,139
You remember you asked
the very first question,
824
00:41:27,174 --> 00:41:30,384
"What is the guy
who comes back to Armenia,"
825
00:41:30,418 --> 00:41:31,730
"what do they feel?"
826
00:41:31,765 --> 00:41:33,560
They feel "I survive."
827
00:41:33,594 --> 00:41:35,700
I did what my grandfather
wanted,
828
00:41:35,734 --> 00:41:37,840
what his great grandfather
wanted.
829
00:41:37,874 --> 00:41:41,533
We are here to survive
no matter is it a war.
830
00:41:41,568 --> 00:41:43,259
We're gonna still have
this feast.
831
00:41:43,293 --> 00:41:45,710
- That's a good toast.
- Yeah, badass toast.
832
00:41:51,716 --> 00:41:53,580
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