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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,757 --> 00:00:10,802 The South is not a monolith. 2 00:00:10,803 --> 00:00:13,638 There are pockets of weirdness, 3 00:00:13,639 --> 00:00:18,309 awesomeness, and then there's Charleston. 4 00:00:18,310 --> 00:00:21,270 Where for some time now, important things have been 5 00:00:21,271 --> 00:00:22,772 happening with food. 6 00:00:22,773 --> 00:00:25,317 A lot of them having to do with this guy. 7 00:00:32,115 --> 00:00:37,996 ♪ I took a walk through this beautiful world ♪ 8 00:00:37,997 --> 00:00:43,501 ♪ Felt the cool rain on my shoulder ♪ 9 00:00:43,502 --> 00:00:49,674 ♪ Found something good in this beautiful world ♪ 10 00:00:49,675 --> 00:00:53,637 ♪ I felt the rain getting colder ♪ 11 00:00:55,681 --> 00:00:58,391 ♪ Sha la la la la 12 00:00:58,392 --> 00:01:01,978 ♪ Sha la la la la la 13 00:01:01,979 --> 00:01:04,605 ♪ Sha la la la la 14 00:01:04,606 --> 00:01:08,193 ♪ Sha la la la la la la 15 00:01:20,414 --> 00:01:22,916 What are we drinking? Beer? Harder stuff? 16 00:01:22,917 --> 00:01:24,584 What's going on? 17 00:01:24,585 --> 00:01:28,170 I usually go with a Budweiser and a Jagermeister. 18 00:01:28,171 --> 00:01:29,881 Budweiser and Jagermeister. 19 00:01:29,882 --> 00:01:34,301 Any notion of going local right out the window. 20 00:01:34,302 --> 00:01:35,929 Two jagers? 21 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:38,973 Yeah, two jagers. 22 00:01:38,974 --> 00:01:41,226 Cheers. 23 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:47,982 The first one's never good. 24 00:01:47,983 --> 00:01:50,861 The first one is never good. 25 00:01:54,782 --> 00:01:57,241 But it gets easier after the first one. 26 00:01:57,242 --> 00:02:02,747 So, look, this is not my first time to Charleston, as you know. 27 00:02:02,748 --> 00:02:04,958 I did do a show here before, 28 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:07,334 and I'm still taking [ muted ] about it. 29 00:02:07,335 --> 00:02:10,504 Apparently I really [ muted ] up the first time I came here 30 00:02:10,505 --> 00:02:12,924 because I made a number of errors. 31 00:02:12,925 --> 00:02:16,677 Apparently none more egregious than going out... 32 00:02:16,678 --> 00:02:19,680 Like, doing an oyster roast and drinking champagne. 33 00:02:19,681 --> 00:02:21,682 I never heard of such a thing. 34 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:24,727 Well, champagne and beers is okay with the oysters. 35 00:02:24,728 --> 00:02:26,562 So it must have been a... 36 00:02:26,563 --> 00:02:28,648 Somebody got confused somewhere. 37 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:30,441 Anyway, I got it wrong. 38 00:02:30,442 --> 00:02:33,778 This time I'm getting it right, which is why I've come to you. 39 00:02:33,779 --> 00:02:36,865 ♪ 40 00:02:44,289 --> 00:02:47,458 You can be forgiven for underestimating Sean Brock 41 00:02:47,459 --> 00:02:49,919 first time you meet him. I know I did. 42 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:53,840 I saw a scruffy-looking dude in a trucker cap who had a bottle 43 00:02:53,841 --> 00:02:56,759 of good bourbon on hand. 44 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,179 Stitzel Weller, 199118 years old. 45 00:03:01,180 --> 00:03:04,934 This is the end of great whiskey. 46 00:03:04,935 --> 00:03:06,644 It didn't come in this bottle. 47 00:03:06,645 --> 00:03:08,395 This is my travel bottle because it's plastic, you see, 48 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:11,231 so it don't break when you get rowdy. 49 00:03:11,232 --> 00:03:13,443 ♪ 50 00:03:17,656 --> 00:03:19,197 It took me a little time 51 00:03:19,198 --> 00:03:20,992 to discover the ferocious intellect, 52 00:03:20,993 --> 00:03:22,702 the inquiring nature, 53 00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:25,955 the purposeful talent to the man. 54 00:03:25,956 --> 00:03:30,084 Without a doubt, one of America's most important chefs. 55 00:03:30,085 --> 00:03:34,047 A guy redefining not just what Southern cooking is, was, 56 00:03:34,048 --> 00:03:38,009 and can be, but American cooking as a whole. 57 00:03:38,010 --> 00:03:39,135 ♪ 58 00:03:39,136 --> 00:03:41,137 One, two, three! 59 00:03:41,138 --> 00:03:43,098 ♪ 60 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:58,196 We're going to talk a lot about this over the next week 61 00:03:58,197 --> 00:04:02,366 about the notions of universal awesomeness. 62 00:04:02,367 --> 00:04:05,703 Is the waffle house universally awesome? 63 00:04:05,704 --> 00:04:08,164 We have one choice for late-night eating 64 00:04:08,165 --> 00:04:09,540 and it's the waffle house. 65 00:04:09,541 --> 00:04:11,625 And they create this environment where, 66 00:04:11,626 --> 00:04:16,047 no matter how blitzed you are or how normal you are, 67 00:04:16,048 --> 00:04:18,674 you are welcomed and treated equally 68 00:04:18,675 --> 00:04:21,510 with an experience. 69 00:04:21,511 --> 00:04:23,888 Not just like eating a plate of food. 70 00:04:23,889 --> 00:04:26,432 You're talking about a magical, spiritual place. 71 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:28,726 It's beyond a magical, spiritual place. 72 00:04:28,727 --> 00:04:31,271 ♪ 73 00:04:38,486 --> 00:04:40,696 It is, indeed, marvelous. 74 00:04:40,697 --> 00:04:43,991 An irony-free zone where everything is beautiful 75 00:04:43,992 --> 00:04:45,701 and nothing hurts. 76 00:04:45,702 --> 00:04:48,996 Where everybody, regardless of race, creed, color, 77 00:04:48,997 --> 00:04:52,583 or degree of inebriation, is welcomed. 78 00:04:52,584 --> 00:04:55,962 Its warm, yellow glow a beacon of hope and salvation, 79 00:04:55,963 --> 00:04:59,882 inviting the hungry, the lost, the seriously hammered, 80 00:04:59,883 --> 00:05:02,718 all across the South to come inside. 81 00:05:02,719 --> 00:05:06,097 A place of safety and nourishment. 82 00:05:06,098 --> 00:05:07,473 It never closes. 83 00:05:07,474 --> 00:05:10,017 It is always, always faithful. 84 00:05:10,018 --> 00:05:13,353 Always there for you. 85 00:05:13,354 --> 00:05:15,231 When I was a kid, I was obsessed with this place 86 00:05:15,232 --> 00:05:17,524 because I wanted to be a chef. 87 00:05:17,525 --> 00:05:19,610 This was the only place that I'd ever been to 88 00:05:19,611 --> 00:05:22,029 where I actually watched people cook. 89 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:23,823 This was action to me. 90 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:27,493 I would see these people cooking at a pace and cooking for people 91 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:29,287 who were completely out of control, 92 00:05:29,288 --> 00:05:31,455 but still providing hospitality. 93 00:05:31,456 --> 00:05:33,082 It was one of the things that 94 00:05:33,083 --> 00:05:35,084 really helped me fall in love with cooking. 95 00:05:35,085 --> 00:05:36,169 Waffle house. 96 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:37,503 Yes. 97 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:39,130 I can't believe I didn't know about this. 98 00:05:39,131 --> 00:05:41,257 I am unbelievably, in spite of my world travels, 99 00:05:41,258 --> 00:05:43,550 new to the wonders of the waffle house. 100 00:05:43,551 --> 00:05:45,636 And unfamiliar with its ways. 101 00:05:45,637 --> 00:05:48,430 The terminology, for instance, is new to me. 102 00:05:48,431 --> 00:05:51,558 Now, look, I'm looking at my hashbrown 103 00:05:51,559 --> 00:05:54,854 and I am already confused and enticed. 104 00:05:54,855 --> 00:05:56,230 Sausage gravy. 105 00:05:56,231 --> 00:05:57,523 You can't go all in. You want everything. 106 00:05:57,524 --> 00:05:59,692 I need to make a choice. 107 00:05:59,693 --> 00:06:01,068 There's a balance. 108 00:06:01,069 --> 00:06:03,737 When you find your balance, you memorize it. 109 00:06:03,738 --> 00:06:06,490 I go scattered covered smothered chunks. 110 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:09,327 Which mean, I gather, scattered on the griddle, 111 00:06:09,328 --> 00:06:11,411 heaped with brown onions, cheese, 112 00:06:11,412 --> 00:06:13,122 and chunks of hickory smoked ham. 113 00:06:13,123 --> 00:06:14,915 That's my style. 114 00:06:14,916 --> 00:06:17,877 I've been doing that since day one. 115 00:06:17,878 --> 00:06:20,296 And I don't even know what that means. 116 00:06:20,297 --> 00:06:21,588 You know what I know, 117 00:06:21,589 --> 00:06:24,091 I don't want waffles at the waffle house. 118 00:06:24,092 --> 00:06:26,844 You have to have... 119 00:06:26,845 --> 00:06:27,928 Waffles? 120 00:06:27,929 --> 00:06:29,805 OK, you have the pecan waffle. 121 00:06:29,806 --> 00:06:32,016 What I devised as a chef, 122 00:06:32,017 --> 00:06:37,146 a tasting menu experience where 123 00:06:37,147 --> 00:06:40,358 you can sit down and really experience what this place does. 124 00:06:40,359 --> 00:06:44,320 And you start out first thing you have, pecan waffle. 125 00:06:44,321 --> 00:06:45,989 Really? 126 00:06:50,994 --> 00:06:53,163 All right, gentlemen. Pecan waffle. 127 00:06:55,332 --> 00:06:57,583 You just crush it. You put every... 128 00:06:57,584 --> 00:06:59,377 Slather it. 129 00:06:59,378 --> 00:07:01,087 I want it to be swimming in syrup 130 00:07:01,088 --> 00:07:05,299 and homogenized vegetable oil. 131 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:08,052 That's good. 132 00:07:08,053 --> 00:07:11,847 You don't come here expecting The French Laundry, 133 00:07:11,848 --> 00:07:14,183 you come here expecting something amazing. 134 00:07:14,184 --> 00:07:18,354 This is better than The French Laundry, man. 135 00:07:18,355 --> 00:07:22,482 And then, second course. Patty melt, split. 136 00:07:22,483 --> 00:07:24,236 ♪ 137 00:07:30,742 --> 00:07:33,370 ♪ 138 00:07:36,248 --> 00:07:38,333 Patty melt. 139 00:07:40,335 --> 00:07:41,668 Come on. 140 00:07:41,669 --> 00:07:43,921 That's not insanely delicious. 141 00:07:43,922 --> 00:07:45,047 Oh, goddamn. 142 00:07:45,048 --> 00:07:46,673 Isn't that insanely delicious? 143 00:07:46,674 --> 00:07:48,759 No meal is complete without a sunny-side-up egg. 144 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,594 Oh, yeah. 145 00:07:50,595 --> 00:07:54,056 And then a green salad with some thousand island dressing 146 00:07:54,057 --> 00:07:56,309 would be amazing. 147 00:07:56,310 --> 00:08:00,687 Would you rather have thin-cut pork chops or T-bone? 148 00:08:00,688 --> 00:08:01,772 I would like both. 149 00:08:01,773 --> 00:08:03,483 ♪ 150 00:08:08,113 --> 00:08:09,489 ♪ 151 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:19,832 Heinz 57 is the best, man. 152 00:08:19,833 --> 00:08:21,667 One of the more complex sauces. 153 00:08:21,668 --> 00:08:23,377 What? -In the American repertoire. 154 00:08:23,378 --> 00:08:24,503 Really? 155 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:25,545 You want to talk shit about it. 156 00:08:25,546 --> 00:08:28,257 This is saucework. 157 00:08:28,258 --> 00:08:31,844 Trust me, this is going to change your life. 158 00:08:31,845 --> 00:08:33,471 That's wrong, man. 159 00:08:33,472 --> 00:08:34,472 Come on. 160 00:08:34,473 --> 00:08:36,265 Mmm. 161 00:08:36,266 --> 00:08:41,520 A brilliant human being that had a recipe that was amazing 162 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:43,397 and it got a bad rap. 163 00:08:43,398 --> 00:08:45,192 Like you're talking about Ronald McDonald. 164 00:08:46,985 --> 00:08:48,487 He had a good idea. 165 00:08:52,782 --> 00:08:55,034 No, you're wrong. 166 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:56,743 I'm sorry. 167 00:08:56,744 --> 00:09:01,207 Here's where we part ways, my friend. 168 00:09:01,208 --> 00:09:03,459 There's my sauce. 169 00:09:03,460 --> 00:09:05,169 After a few bites of waffle, 170 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:08,755 a burger, a hunk of generic T-bone and some hashbrown, 171 00:09:08,756 --> 00:09:11,050 one feels drawn right to the center of 172 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:13,677 what makes our country great. 173 00:09:13,678 --> 00:09:18,849 In America, yeah, moment, start reciting Walt Whitman, 174 00:09:18,850 --> 00:09:20,184 "The Star Spangled Banner," 175 00:09:20,185 --> 00:09:22,102 oh say can you see, 176 00:09:22,103 --> 00:09:24,938 and I doubt I'd be the first. 177 00:09:24,939 --> 00:09:25,981 Give me a break. 178 00:09:25,982 --> 00:09:28,859 The umami happened. 179 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:32,154 You know what umami means in Japanese? 180 00:09:32,155 --> 00:09:34,656 The literal transition? 181 00:09:34,657 --> 00:09:36,033 Orgasm? 182 00:09:36,034 --> 00:09:37,784 No. 183 00:09:37,785 --> 00:09:43,332 Umami means, in Japanese, literally it means I will 184 00:09:43,333 --> 00:09:46,294 [ muted ] your [ muted ] for a bite of that. 185 00:09:48,796 --> 00:09:50,173 That burger. 186 00:10:14,281 --> 00:10:17,157 Everybody needs a place. 187 00:10:17,158 --> 00:10:19,285 A community. 188 00:10:19,286 --> 00:10:22,121 Something larger than one's self to care about. 189 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:24,415 A place to hide when times get tough. 190 00:10:24,416 --> 00:10:26,584 Where you're accepted for who you are. 191 00:10:26,585 --> 00:10:30,504 Where the rhythms of a summer afternoon, the crack of a bat, 192 00:10:30,505 --> 00:10:33,633 the roar of the crowd, are music. 193 00:10:36,386 --> 00:10:39,263 Behold the mighty Charleston Riverdogs. 194 00:10:39,264 --> 00:10:42,434 A minor league feeder team for the New York Yankees. 195 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,611 Meet one of the owners of the Charleston Riverdogs, 196 00:10:53,612 --> 00:10:56,822 Charleston resident, Bill Murray. 197 00:10:56,823 --> 00:10:58,407 Said I had too many beers to drive. 198 00:10:58,408 --> 00:11:00,075 I'm going to take shotgun. 199 00:11:00,076 --> 00:11:01,452 We're going to see how fast 200 00:11:01,453 --> 00:11:04,288 he can go all the way around the outfield. 201 00:11:04,289 --> 00:11:07,791 Today, the Riverdogs are facing the evil forces of the 202 00:11:07,792 --> 00:11:10,503 dreaded Savannah Sandgnats. 203 00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:12,630 That's going to score a run 204 00:11:12,631 --> 00:11:15,049 and that's going to leave a mark. 205 00:11:16,675 --> 00:11:18,677 Going to hold them. 206 00:11:20,054 --> 00:11:21,388 Bad day for the Sandgnats. 207 00:11:21,389 --> 00:11:24,141 You're hated. 208 00:11:24,142 --> 00:11:27,727 We will crush you like a... Sandgnat. 209 00:11:27,728 --> 00:11:30,105 A sandgnat has almost no backbone, 210 00:11:30,106 --> 00:11:32,941 almost no skeletal structure. 211 00:11:32,942 --> 00:11:34,776 They fold. 212 00:11:34,777 --> 00:11:36,988 ♪ 213 00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:44,537 As difficult as it might have been to forego the joys of the 214 00:11:44,538 --> 00:11:48,123 bacon-wrapped footlong corn dog known as the pig on a stick, 215 00:11:48,124 --> 00:11:50,042 we knew we'd be coming here. 216 00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:51,709 Husk. 217 00:11:51,710 --> 00:11:53,587 Sean's restaurant in downtown Charleston. 218 00:11:53,588 --> 00:11:55,589 One of two that have helped make the city 219 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:59,301 a fine dining destination. 220 00:11:59,302 --> 00:12:01,887 So I want to know, Southern living. 221 00:12:01,888 --> 00:12:06,308 It's very different up there and down here. 222 00:12:06,309 --> 00:12:07,767 It's a big transition. 223 00:12:07,768 --> 00:12:10,062 Easy for you, or not? 224 00:12:10,063 --> 00:12:12,022 It's easy. 225 00:12:12,023 --> 00:12:15,025 Driving was the real transition because I'd drive, like, 226 00:12:15,026 --> 00:12:16,652 in New York... when you come here, 227 00:12:16,653 --> 00:12:19,363 driving like New York, you know, 228 00:12:19,364 --> 00:12:21,490 it takes you a while to recover. 229 00:12:21,491 --> 00:12:25,118 But, you know, I'm right on the edge here, like telling people 230 00:12:25,119 --> 00:12:27,371 this is a really nice place to come and really I don't want 231 00:12:27,372 --> 00:12:29,956 anyone else to come. I like it the way it is. 232 00:12:29,957 --> 00:12:31,875 There's a lot of insects. 233 00:12:31,876 --> 00:12:34,794 It's really, really hot in the summer. 234 00:12:34,795 --> 00:12:38,924 And the traffic is worse than it ever was. 235 00:12:38,925 --> 00:12:42,261 Husk directly addresses Southern culinary traditions 236 00:12:42,262 --> 00:12:46,848 using the best of modern techniques, but always, always 237 00:12:46,849 --> 00:12:52,187 respecting the originals and who made them. 238 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:54,356 It's a pressing matter to redefine Southern food. 239 00:12:54,357 --> 00:12:58,026 If I were Southerner, I would make it a personal mission 240 00:12:58,027 --> 00:13:01,821 because it was distorted for so long. 241 00:13:01,822 --> 00:13:06,076 But as a northerner, why should northerners care? 242 00:13:06,077 --> 00:13:10,163 Well, I think if you look at the history of food in America, 243 00:13:10,164 --> 00:13:14,293 there's no denying that Southern food was the first, you know, 244 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:17,504 true cuisine that had this foundation and that's important 245 00:13:17,505 --> 00:13:20,173 to preserve, and, you know, to me, though, it kind of goes back 246 00:13:20,174 --> 00:13:24,470 to the idea, you should be cooking and preserving and 247 00:13:24,471 --> 00:13:26,472 celebrating the food of your grandmother. 248 00:13:26,473 --> 00:13:30,808 People take a real pride in their ability to cook my aunt's 249 00:13:30,809 --> 00:13:34,229 recipe, my grandma's recipe, and this is how we made these. 250 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:36,732 The standard of food here is so high 251 00:13:36,733 --> 00:13:41,655 that when I go around any place, I just go, eh. 252 00:13:45,617 --> 00:13:48,910 Country ham, bread and butter pickles, 253 00:13:48,911 --> 00:13:53,248 and, of course, Sean being Sean, there will be bourbon. 254 00:13:53,249 --> 00:13:55,875 I just like to start with pickles and ham. 255 00:13:55,876 --> 00:13:58,337 I'll try not to geek out too much, but this is a very special 256 00:13:58,338 --> 00:14:02,924 breed of pig that came over here in the 1500s called asabal. 257 00:14:02,925 --> 00:14:07,513 The Spaniards brought it. It has a very particular flavor. 258 00:14:07,514 --> 00:14:09,515 This one's aged three years. 259 00:14:09,516 --> 00:14:11,183 That's ridiculously good. 260 00:14:11,184 --> 00:14:13,059 That's the best American ham I've ever had. 261 00:14:13,060 --> 00:14:14,852 Far and away. That's unbelievable. 262 00:14:14,853 --> 00:14:16,522 These two things together 263 00:14:16,523 --> 00:14:18,524 is my two favorite things in the whole entire world. 264 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:23,236 Stitzel Weller whiskey and old country ham. 265 00:14:23,237 --> 00:14:25,906 ♪ 266 00:14:29,619 --> 00:14:31,746 ♪ 267 00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:39,044 So this is an old dish 268 00:14:39,045 --> 00:14:43,382 that I dug up in one of those old books that I study. 269 00:14:43,383 --> 00:14:46,134 It's an old-fashioned oyster pie. 270 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:48,094 Oh. 271 00:14:48,095 --> 00:14:50,263 So just grab your spoon and just dig all the way down. 272 00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:52,224 The oysters are in the bottom. 273 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:54,267 How old is this recipe? 274 00:14:54,268 --> 00:14:58,355 It was well-documented in the 19th century, pre-Civil War. 275 00:14:58,356 --> 00:15:00,440 It's good. 276 00:15:00,441 --> 00:15:02,860 Yes. 277 00:15:02,861 --> 00:15:05,238 ♪ 278 00:15:10,618 --> 00:15:13,829 So shrimp and grits is the dish of Charleston. 279 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:15,539 I mean, it really is. 280 00:15:15,540 --> 00:15:18,041 It's the dish I crave when I leave Charleston and come back. 281 00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:21,754 This version is one of the older ones where we actually make 282 00:15:21,755 --> 00:15:23,922 hominy first by mixing with the corn. 283 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:26,550 You'll taste... the grits are a little bit different. 284 00:15:26,551 --> 00:15:28,261 Oh, yes. 285 00:15:30,346 --> 00:15:32,723 That's really great looking. 286 00:15:32,724 --> 00:15:36,518 We make a brown gravy which is the most classic way. 287 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:39,187 And on top, crispy pig ears. 288 00:15:39,188 --> 00:15:41,732 You get grannies coming in saying I haven't tasted this 289 00:15:41,733 --> 00:15:42,691 since I was a little kid? 290 00:15:42,692 --> 00:15:44,276 Yeah, exactly, man. 291 00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:46,987 Wow, that's good. 292 00:15:48,281 --> 00:15:50,784 ♪ 293 00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:08,634 We were trying to replicate the emotion that Southern food 294 00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:13,096 provides you in a time when good ingredients weren't available, 295 00:16:13,097 --> 00:16:16,182 so we made up for tasteless ingredients by frying them 296 00:16:16,183 --> 00:16:17,559 or dumping butter on them. 297 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,560 Right. 298 00:16:18,561 --> 00:16:20,312 Now we don't have to. 299 00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:22,857 ♪ 300 00:16:37,747 --> 00:16:39,498 Wow, what's going on here? 301 00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:41,792 This is an onslaught of awesomeness here. 302 00:16:41,793 --> 00:16:43,961 We didn't order this. 303 00:16:43,962 --> 00:16:47,756 So pit beans that is been cooking over the fire all day. 304 00:16:47,757 --> 00:16:50,717 These are the red peas that came from West Africa. 305 00:16:50,718 --> 00:16:52,719 This is the original Carolina gold rice. 306 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,429 Hand harvested. 307 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:56,264 Grilled whiting, which is what 308 00:16:56,265 --> 00:16:59,017 nobody eats in Charleston in restaurants. 309 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:01,060 It's what everybody eats in homes 310 00:17:01,061 --> 00:17:05,398 with some spring vegetables and then suckling pig. 311 00:17:05,399 --> 00:17:08,819 The same breed asabal we had earlier with the ham, 312 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:11,196 mixed with a mule foot, 313 00:17:11,197 --> 00:17:13,907 cooked on a spit, some creamed corn and corn bread. 314 00:17:13,908 --> 00:17:15,784 Wow! This is going to 315 00:17:15,785 --> 00:17:17,662 be my first mule foot. 316 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:24,209 This is like my favorite way to eat, you know, 317 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:25,836 just family-style, pass stuff around. 318 00:17:25,837 --> 00:17:27,171 Yeah. 319 00:17:29,256 --> 00:17:30,298 The rice is amazing. 320 00:17:30,299 --> 00:17:32,343 It's amazing. -Yep. 321 00:17:41,185 --> 00:17:43,937 You see Bubba Gump. 322 00:17:43,938 --> 00:17:45,731 You get angry? 323 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:47,482 I am very angry. 324 00:17:47,483 --> 00:17:49,401 For me, it's Chili's. 325 00:17:49,402 --> 00:17:52,195 You see Chili's along the Mexican border. 326 00:17:52,196 --> 00:17:53,780 Like what the [ muted ]? 327 00:17:53,781 --> 00:17:55,949 Do we have a shortage of Mexicans in this [ muted ]. 328 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:57,325 Is there a shortage of good food? 329 00:17:57,326 --> 00:17:58,744 You're eating at Chili's? 330 00:17:58,745 --> 00:18:02,121 I want to pull up the car, get a tire iron, 331 00:18:02,122 --> 00:18:05,375 walk in and straighten some people out. 332 00:18:05,376 --> 00:18:06,793 Clean house. 333 00:18:06,794 --> 00:18:08,086 Roadhouse style. 334 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:12,507 Roadhouse. Vastly underrated film. 335 00:18:12,508 --> 00:18:14,634 You guys are both into Roadhouse? 336 00:18:14,635 --> 00:18:17,262 Such a great film. 337 00:18:17,263 --> 00:18:18,973 What else do you need to know? 338 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,226 You can deconstruct this film forever. 339 00:18:23,227 --> 00:18:26,396 The more you watch it, the more mysteries unfold. 340 00:18:26,397 --> 00:18:30,067 I've never seen anyone enjoy Roadhouse more than I do. 341 00:18:30,068 --> 00:18:33,111 What? 342 00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:35,989 My friend's wife, Kelly Lynch, 343 00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:39,367 plays the doctor that stitches up Patrick Swayze in the movie. 344 00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:42,829 She's the romantic interest, right? 345 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:44,122 The unattainable... 346 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:45,123 Yes. 347 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:46,875 Romantic interest. 348 00:18:46,876 --> 00:18:53,506 And I have for the last probably about 25 years called his home 349 00:18:53,507 --> 00:18:58,638 in the middle of the night and said, "You don't know me..." 350 00:19:00,890 --> 00:19:03,850 ...but your wife's getting slammed up against the wall 351 00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:07,312 by Patrick Swayze. 352 00:19:07,313 --> 00:19:09,398 "She's not putting up much of a fight." 353 00:19:11,358 --> 00:19:13,485 And then hang up. 354 00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:15,905 It is in many ways a perfect film. 355 00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:29,876 What is down-home Southern cooking? 356 00:19:29,877 --> 00:19:31,711 Where did it come from? 357 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:33,964 Who's responsible? 358 00:19:33,965 --> 00:19:37,258 Well, it's always useful when asking those kinds of questions 359 00:19:37,259 --> 00:19:39,678 wherever you are to ask, first, 360 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:43,056 who did the cooking back then in the beginning? 361 00:19:43,057 --> 00:19:46,184 Where did they come from? When you meet people here, 362 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:49,312 you know that you're seeing a 363 00:19:49,313 --> 00:19:50,981 direct descendant of a slave 364 00:19:50,982 --> 00:19:53,984 that was here after the slaves were freed. 365 00:19:53,985 --> 00:19:57,236 Ashley Green grew up on Mosquito Beach on James Island 366 00:19:57,237 --> 00:19:58,488 in Charleston. 367 00:19:58,489 --> 00:20:00,032 Her mother owns the property 368 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:03,201 which has been in her family for generations. 369 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:06,621 Fact of the matter is, in the old South back when the dishes, 370 00:20:06,622 --> 00:20:09,499 ingredients, flavors of Southern cooking, 371 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:12,627 which is to say American cooking as opposed to European, 372 00:20:12,628 --> 00:20:15,672 chances are that food was grown, 373 00:20:15,673 --> 00:20:19,719 gathered, produced and prepared by African slaves. 374 00:20:21,846 --> 00:20:25,473 Chef VJ Dennis has made it a personal mission to celebrate 375 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:28,935 and protect the culinary traditions his ancestors passed 376 00:20:28,936 --> 00:20:31,063 down to him. 377 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:33,148 This is some local blue crab. 378 00:20:33,149 --> 00:20:34,858 Just freshly seasoned. 379 00:20:34,859 --> 00:20:37,194 This is a play on some garlic crabs. 380 00:20:37,195 --> 00:20:40,030 This is shrimp butter instead of the garlic butter. 381 00:20:40,031 --> 00:20:42,741 You have the play of the French influence 382 00:20:42,742 --> 00:20:45,493 into the cuisine right here. 383 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:48,788 The flavors and textures and food ways of West Africa 384 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:50,832 are all over Southern cooking. 385 00:20:50,833 --> 00:20:53,919 And there are few better places to see how short the line 386 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,464 between there and here than Gullah culture. 387 00:20:58,465 --> 00:21:00,217 I'm really enjoying this. I got to tell you. 388 00:21:00,218 --> 00:21:01,593 This is so delicious. 389 00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:03,428 Oh, my. 390 00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:07,515 How African is traditional Gullah cooking? 391 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:09,851 I think what happens is you change the location 392 00:21:09,852 --> 00:21:12,854 of the people but you did not change who the people were. 393 00:21:12,855 --> 00:21:16,191 You did not change the information that they came with, 394 00:21:16,192 --> 00:21:18,068 with their traditions. 395 00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:20,987 If you look at the history of American food, you'll quickly 396 00:21:20,988 --> 00:21:26,869 see this is one of the first true cuisines of America. 397 00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:33,083 What's that? What is this? This looks good. 398 00:21:33,084 --> 00:21:34,084 West Africa... 399 00:21:34,085 --> 00:21:35,168 All right. 400 00:21:35,169 --> 00:21:37,212 Soft shell crabs and konk 401 00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:40,048 in a decidedly West African peanut stew 402 00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:45,595 with Carolina rice, sautéed squash, and zucchini. 403 00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:47,180 Oh, that's so good. 404 00:21:47,181 --> 00:21:51,517 It's been a while since I've had konk. 405 00:21:51,518 --> 00:21:53,519 Clearly, correct me if I'm wrong, 406 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,605 there's a different kind of interest in Charleston than 407 00:21:55,606 --> 00:21:57,690 existed 20 years ago. 408 00:21:57,691 --> 00:21:59,025 Right? 409 00:21:59,026 --> 00:22:00,819 Is something happening here? 410 00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:02,528 What's changed? 411 00:22:02,529 --> 00:22:07,617 It's good to have people, to have a more diverse community in 412 00:22:07,618 --> 00:22:09,995 a sense, but then you also lose a little bit. 413 00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:12,497 The danger is they're coming to Charleston 414 00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:14,499 because of the beauty, 415 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:18,170 and we're having to fight against bigger entities 416 00:22:18,171 --> 00:22:21,547 that seek to get the land so they can develop it. 417 00:22:21,548 --> 00:22:26,385 And so we're fighting to keep what's been ours and so it's 418 00:22:26,386 --> 00:22:30,974 important for us to preserve this area. 419 00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:36,353 Preserve this culture for generations to come. 420 00:22:36,354 --> 00:22:38,482 ♪ 421 00:22:40,943 --> 00:22:42,819 According to the US Government, 422 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:45,322 almost 50% of all the children in this country 423 00:22:45,323 --> 00:22:47,448 fail to get their recommended daily allowance... 424 00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:51,077 Fast food restaurants have discovered we like our food 425 00:22:51,078 --> 00:22:53,121 heavily salted. 426 00:22:53,122 --> 00:22:55,623 Just add water and two of your own fresh eggs. 427 00:22:55,624 --> 00:22:58,793 Because of industry's innovations in farm chemicals 428 00:22:58,794 --> 00:22:59,836 and machinery. 429 00:22:59,837 --> 00:23:01,378 Taste it. 430 00:23:01,379 --> 00:23:03,089 How did it happen, 431 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:05,091 that we ended up with Southern food 432 00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:09,137 being the most sort of cruelly hijacked into this cartoonish 433 00:23:09,138 --> 00:23:11,597 parody of itself? 434 00:23:11,598 --> 00:23:15,268 Modern, clean, advanced, complete meat processing. 435 00:23:15,269 --> 00:23:20,232 I think it's a combination of two massive cultural influences 436 00:23:20,233 --> 00:23:22,734 that came together at the same time. 437 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:28,447 The idea of industrialization came late to the South. 438 00:23:28,448 --> 00:23:32,744 When it hit, we got the first nutrition laws in America were 439 00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:36,289 written in South Carolina because everybody moved into 440 00:23:36,290 --> 00:23:39,209 mill villages and immediately started eating processed food 441 00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:41,295 because they weren't growing their food anymore. 442 00:23:44,382 --> 00:23:46,216 The second thing that happened 443 00:23:46,217 --> 00:23:50,845 is there was a massive amount of expertise that was lost during 444 00:23:50,846 --> 00:23:52,471 the Civil War. 445 00:23:52,472 --> 00:23:54,849 A lot of the Southern revival, the whole turnaround, 446 00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:57,894 started with this guy. Glen Roberts. 447 00:23:57,895 --> 00:24:00,479 A man who asked a simple question. 448 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,234 How come grits aren't as good as they used to be? 449 00:24:04,235 --> 00:24:07,237 By starting the heirloom grain company, Anson Mills, 450 00:24:07,238 --> 00:24:09,864 decided to do something about it. 451 00:24:09,865 --> 00:24:14,160 Why do this? Why do something as unwanted? 452 00:24:14,161 --> 00:24:18,164 Meaning nobody was particularly crying, you know, we need rice 453 00:24:18,165 --> 00:24:22,127 that used to taste like it did in 1837, 454 00:24:22,128 --> 00:24:25,880 we need grits, better grits. 455 00:24:25,881 --> 00:24:29,050 What called to you that you felt compelled to answer? 456 00:24:29,051 --> 00:24:31,719 I'm a cuisine whore. 457 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,975 You know, I think culture is interactive with cuisine. 458 00:24:36,976 --> 00:24:39,852 As soon as you look at cuisine, you're looking at politics, 459 00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:41,313 you're looking at medicine, 460 00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:43,273 you're looking at the advanced thinking. 461 00:24:43,274 --> 00:24:45,317 I'll agree with you, there's nothing more political 462 00:24:45,318 --> 00:24:46,359 than food. 463 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,153 You got it. 464 00:24:48,154 --> 00:24:51,114 Chef Mike Latta's restaurant, Fig, was one of the first and 465 00:24:51,115 --> 00:24:53,574 most important on the Charleston scene. 466 00:24:53,575 --> 00:24:56,202 Determined to source the kind of local products 467 00:24:56,203 --> 00:24:59,580 you used to find everywhere in the low country. 468 00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:02,875 As much as I'd like to illustrate that solid grounding 469 00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:05,170 in traditional ingredients and preparations with my order, 470 00:25:05,171 --> 00:25:08,173 I could not resist the soft shell crabs, 471 00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:09,715 which are just in season, 472 00:25:09,716 --> 00:25:12,135 With a pasta and shaved botarga 473 00:25:12,136 --> 00:25:15,054 which frankly I'd slit my best friend's throat for. 474 00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:16,132 Wow, that looks great. Yeah. 475 00:25:17,141 --> 00:25:18,183 That's beautiful. 476 00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:20,726 Sweet. 477 00:25:20,727 --> 00:25:24,105 When you had your first plate full of proper rice, 478 00:25:24,106 --> 00:25:26,941 is there an instinct to bludgeon the rest of the world 479 00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:30,487 in an understanding of what you'd just come to understand? 480 00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:34,282 I did not run up and down the streets of Charleston. 481 00:25:34,283 --> 00:25:37,076 It was tough to dislodge people here, 482 00:25:37,077 --> 00:25:39,662 so I just went straight to San Francisco. 483 00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:40,830 Right. 484 00:25:40,831 --> 00:25:42,874 I gave away tons of product. 485 00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:45,669 And guess what, they went crazy. 486 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:51,300 Slow baked black bass, ramps in season, and lettuces. 487 00:25:54,845 --> 00:25:58,639 And this to all things Glen is responsible for bringing back. 488 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,060 Heirloom rice and pigs, suckling asabal pig 489 00:26:02,061 --> 00:26:05,688 and Carolina gold rice. 490 00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:08,400 Isn't that great? 491 00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:11,027 This is phenomenal. These peas are killer. 492 00:26:11,028 --> 00:26:12,778 I'm hitting the rice next. 493 00:26:12,779 --> 00:26:16,699 That's got the entire history of Southern agriculture in it. 494 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,243 Right here. 495 00:26:18,244 --> 00:26:19,827 Right there in that little bowl. 496 00:26:19,828 --> 00:26:24,123 This whole idea of having a century in a dish, 497 00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:28,127 none of this stuff was here 20 years ago. 498 00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:30,213 Near the end of the Civil War, 499 00:26:30,214 --> 00:26:32,757 during General Sherman's scorched earth campaign, 500 00:26:32,758 --> 00:26:35,510 seed stores were a favored target. 501 00:26:35,511 --> 00:26:38,930 It was largely African slaves who were able to save the seeds 502 00:26:38,931 --> 00:26:43,935 that Glen is now able to locate and reintroduce. 503 00:26:43,936 --> 00:26:47,146 It is those people who kept the corn. 504 00:26:47,147 --> 00:26:49,606 It is those people who kept the cow peas. 505 00:26:49,607 --> 00:26:52,651 It's those people who kept the vegetables because they couldn't 506 00:26:52,652 --> 00:26:54,653 buy their way out of not doing it. 507 00:26:54,654 --> 00:26:58,657 Will you talk about chitlins, pig foot, hog maws, 508 00:26:58,658 --> 00:27:00,285 African Americans in the north do not 509 00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:04,830 embrace those classics of the 510 00:27:04,831 --> 00:27:08,918 South as an overlay of pain and oppression that goes with it. 511 00:27:08,919 --> 00:27:10,711 How do we combat that? 512 00:27:10,712 --> 00:27:13,714 What you're speaking about is walking away from your own 513 00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:16,384 culinary heritage because of social sensitivity. 514 00:27:16,385 --> 00:27:19,678 Bottom line is, if you want something that's compelling, 515 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:24,518 that draws on your soul, this is why they call it soul food. 516 00:27:28,606 --> 00:27:32,275 I need the finest in turkey-killing couture. 517 00:27:32,276 --> 00:27:34,693 I want to be ninja-like and I want to look cool. 518 00:27:34,694 --> 00:27:40,158 Camouflage is the standard go out wearing South Carolina, so... 519 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:44,787 I'm bringing that look to New York. 520 00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:46,205 The cool, clear morning 521 00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:48,707 and I do what any sensible Charlestonian 522 00:27:48,708 --> 00:27:50,709 would do on a day like this, 523 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:52,253 look for turkeys to kill. 524 00:27:52,254 --> 00:27:53,338 Pants, need those. 525 00:27:53,339 --> 00:27:54,632 All right. 526 00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:59,927 You know, in South Carolina, our state bird is the mosquito. 527 00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:02,096 Right. So I want to be covered head to toe. 528 00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:05,184 We need your face covered up. 529 00:28:07,478 --> 00:28:10,813 Going to the waffle house wearing this. 530 00:28:10,814 --> 00:28:12,732 This is totally me. 531 00:28:14,901 --> 00:28:16,693 We do have some turkey vests. 532 00:28:16,694 --> 00:28:18,363 Turkey vest, yes. 533 00:28:18,364 --> 00:28:20,491 I just... gotta have it. 534 00:28:25,037 --> 00:28:28,414 This is your last day on earth, Mr. turkey. 535 00:28:28,415 --> 00:28:30,625 You will die now. 536 00:28:30,626 --> 00:28:32,878 Prepare to meet your maker. 537 00:28:41,637 --> 00:28:43,262 Here's the thing about hunting. 538 00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:45,640 The likelihood of me successfully shooting even the 539 00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:48,893 stupidest animal on camera are about the same as Donald Trump 540 00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:50,520 being gracious to anybody or 541 00:28:50,521 --> 00:28:53,356 Adam Sandler making a good movie. 542 00:28:53,357 --> 00:28:56,484 Basically, a magical unicorn is going to land in front of me 543 00:28:56,485 --> 00:29:00,029 and shower me with candy and Vicodins before I shoot a 544 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:02,824 freaking turkey on camera. 545 00:29:04,577 --> 00:29:07,328 That shot you heard was me shooting a producer in the calf 546 00:29:07,329 --> 00:29:09,205 and telling him to wobble over to the Piggy Wiggly 547 00:29:09,206 --> 00:29:13,001 for a frozen gobbler before he bleeds out. 548 00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:19,131 And like magic, behold. 549 00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:20,800 Turkey. 550 00:29:21,885 --> 00:29:24,220 Slow, slow barbecued turkey, 551 00:29:24,221 --> 00:29:28,641 with all the sides you want and need. 552 00:29:28,642 --> 00:29:30,560 What do we got going on here? 553 00:29:30,561 --> 00:29:32,228 Pigs feet and collard greens. 554 00:29:32,229 --> 00:29:33,688 Pickled pigs feet and collard greens. 555 00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:35,189 Oh, yes. 556 00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:37,525 Barbecue coleslaw. 557 00:29:37,526 --> 00:29:39,694 Potato salad and ramps. 558 00:29:39,695 --> 00:29:41,987 Baked red peas. 559 00:29:41,988 --> 00:29:44,073 There's my weakness right there. 560 00:29:44,074 --> 00:29:45,950 We made you some very special... 561 00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:47,159 Mac and cheese. 562 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,036 Bright orange mac and cheese. 563 00:29:49,037 --> 00:29:51,122 I do like bright orange mac and cheese as you know. 564 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:52,290 That's a turkey. 565 00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:53,625 Yep. 566 00:29:53,626 --> 00:29:55,543 Let that to be lesson to you. 567 00:29:55,544 --> 00:29:57,836 Like going to Grandma's house. 568 00:29:57,837 --> 00:29:59,756 Mike Latta from Fig is here 569 00:29:59,757 --> 00:30:02,759 and Jeff Allen, owner of Rebellion Farm. 570 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,596 Are there like you guys others - 571 00:30:06,597 --> 00:30:09,181 basically keeping it real as far 572 00:30:09,182 --> 00:30:11,100 as real Southern culinary traditions 573 00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:13,645 as opposed to the jokey ones? 574 00:30:13,646 --> 00:30:15,813 More than you think. 575 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,023 How many people is that? 576 00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:20,526 12. 577 00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:22,903 Yeah, in a town like this, that's pretty amazing. 578 00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:24,656 Goddamn, this is good. 579 00:30:24,657 --> 00:30:27,158 Pigs feet and green, this is ridiculously good. 580 00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:29,702 This is really moist for a wild turkey. 581 00:30:29,703 --> 00:30:31,788 People who say they don't like turkey need to eat this. 582 00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:33,914 What's your impression of Charleston? 583 00:30:33,915 --> 00:30:38,169 It's one of those weird distinctly American mutations 584 00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:41,255 kind of like rock 'n' roll or jazz or blues. 585 00:30:41,256 --> 00:30:43,424 That's what makes Charleston so cool, though, there's really 586 00:30:43,425 --> 00:30:45,384 nothing else like it in America 587 00:30:45,385 --> 00:30:47,219 and it's been unique since the 588 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:48,680 early part of the 18th century 589 00:30:48,681 --> 00:30:51,182 and the city works hard to preserve that. 590 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:54,101 We have an incredibly gorgeous city that people want 591 00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:56,604 to visit. So we have the advantage of tourism. 592 00:30:56,605 --> 00:31:00,191 The clientele definitely gives us the opportunity to be 593 00:31:00,192 --> 00:31:02,485 this progressive or... 594 00:31:02,486 --> 00:31:03,611 Almost push us to be more 595 00:31:03,612 --> 00:31:05,070 than we can even be. 596 00:31:05,071 --> 00:31:07,072 We have an active cuisine. 597 00:31:07,073 --> 00:31:08,866 We've recovered all these 598 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:12,036 ingredients and rediscovered a lot of the agricultural 599 00:31:12,037 --> 00:31:16,666 influences that were destroyed in the 20th century, but we're 600 00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:19,251 not just recreating history. 601 00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:21,629 We're not going back and cooking the Civil War. 602 00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:24,423 These guys are pushing the food forward here and we're creating 603 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:26,217 a new cuisine. 604 00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:28,970 Got to be a happy day when you take a Cesar off the menu. 605 00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:50,616 We're one of the last few hunters in the world. 606 00:31:50,617 --> 00:31:52,993 There's no store for us to go offshore 607 00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:55,079 to go and pick those fish up. 608 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,455 We have to look for them. We have to go and sort of 609 00:31:56,456 --> 00:31:58,957 find the ones we're allowed to harvest. 610 00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:02,545 We're the last of the final frontier of hunters, you know, 611 00:32:02,546 --> 00:32:05,965 to go in and feed the world and that's what we do. 612 00:32:10,220 --> 00:32:14,056 Mark Mahefka has been a fisherman since the '70s. 613 00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:16,350 He takes an unusual and much-needed approach 614 00:32:16,351 --> 00:32:18,185 to catching fish. 615 00:32:18,186 --> 00:32:21,313 Instead of raking the sea of the same overfished mindlessly 616 00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:23,232 populous species, he 617 00:32:23,233 --> 00:32:26,569 passionately promotes the just as good and usually better less 618 00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:28,987 known and underutilized stuff. 619 00:32:28,988 --> 00:32:32,241 One of the great things about the low country is the flavor of 620 00:32:32,242 --> 00:32:35,620 our waterways and that wasn't being represented properly in 621 00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:37,538 all the restaurants. 622 00:32:37,539 --> 00:32:40,833 All of a sudden I hear about this guy who has the most 623 00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:42,460 beautiful fish you've ever seen, 624 00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:46,714 but you got to go to the dock and get it. 625 00:32:46,715 --> 00:32:48,549 Frustrated by the conventional wisdom, 626 00:32:48,550 --> 00:32:51,135 mishandling of fish by other distributors 627 00:32:51,136 --> 00:32:54,806 and the narrow range on the market, he became his own 628 00:32:54,807 --> 00:32:58,768 dealer, starting Abundant Seafood, one of the country's 629 00:32:58,769 --> 00:33:03,439 first community supported fisheries, CSFS. 630 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,149 He's changed the way people think 631 00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:08,653 about so-called trash fish. 632 00:33:08,654 --> 00:33:10,154 Look at how beautiful that is. 633 00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:12,156 Today's catch: Triggerfish. 634 00:33:12,157 --> 00:33:13,449 Any market for these things? 635 00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:14,450 Oh, my God. 636 00:33:14,451 --> 00:33:15,660 Yeah? 637 00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:16,661 We can't keep it in house enough. 638 00:33:16,662 --> 00:33:18,412 Really? -Really. 639 00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:22,416 The crazy thing is, like, even five years ago there wasn't 640 00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:24,001 a single one of these on the menu. 641 00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:25,294 Before we all knew Mark, 642 00:33:25,295 --> 00:33:27,964 everyone had the same crap on the menu. 643 00:33:27,965 --> 00:33:30,090 Tuna, salmon, grouper, snapper. 644 00:33:30,091 --> 00:33:35,053 Which is good stuff, but as we all know, we overfished that. 645 00:33:35,054 --> 00:33:39,892 Mark really taught all of us the beauty of stuff like this. 646 00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:42,353 Nice. 647 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:44,356 ♪ 648 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,065 This is a half-shell style. 649 00:33:47,066 --> 00:33:48,860 You leave the scale on, the skin on. 650 00:33:48,861 --> 00:33:50,653 Cook it one side up. 651 00:33:50,654 --> 00:33:52,154 It's sort of basting itself. 652 00:33:52,155 --> 00:33:54,448 It makes, like, a cup. 653 00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:56,158 It's very creole. 654 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:59,537 Is there something out there that you're seeing that's still 655 00:33:59,538 --> 00:34:01,747 a hard sell that you wish people would... 656 00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:03,415 One of the hardest sells is amber jack. 657 00:34:03,416 --> 00:34:04,667 Amber jack. 658 00:34:04,668 --> 00:34:05,960 The Japanese love it. 659 00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:07,419 Amber jack. 660 00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:09,338 Look at that. That is pretty. 661 00:34:09,339 --> 00:34:11,298 Smells good. -Wow. Yum. 662 00:34:11,299 --> 00:34:13,051 Mmm. 663 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,555 I could eat that all year. 664 00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:18,931 Charcoal and fish. 665 00:34:18,932 --> 00:34:20,474 I know. 666 00:34:20,475 --> 00:34:22,519 Damn, that's good. -Wow. 667 00:34:25,898 --> 00:34:28,608 ♪ 668 00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:39,911 Everybody thinks there's all 669 00:34:39,912 --> 00:34:41,620 this great barbecue in the South. 670 00:34:41,621 --> 00:34:44,707 It's 99% terrible barbecue. 671 00:34:44,708 --> 00:34:48,544 And so to get real barbecue, you got to drive. 672 00:34:48,545 --> 00:34:51,422 Way out in the weeds, off the main road 673 00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:55,009 and good freaking luck if you can find it, is one of 674 00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:59,137 the most respected barbecue joints in the US of A. 675 00:34:59,138 --> 00:35:00,723 Run by one of the most respected 676 00:35:00,724 --> 00:35:03,475 old-school pit masters. 677 00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:04,810 Ask a chef. 678 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:07,063 Ask anybody who knows good 679 00:35:07,064 --> 00:35:08,773 barbecue and they will tell you 680 00:35:08,774 --> 00:35:10,274 where to go. 681 00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:12,026 Here. 682 00:35:12,027 --> 00:35:15,362 A rundown looking takeout about two hours' drive out of 683 00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:19,324 Charleston in Hemingway, South Carolina. 684 00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:20,492 Now how long have you been doing this? 685 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,202 Since I was 11. 686 00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:23,287 Grew up doing this. 687 00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:25,039 Crazy. 688 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,916 My family started in 1972. 689 00:35:26,917 --> 00:35:28,459 So I grew up running around this place. 690 00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:29,710 It's hard. 691 00:35:29,711 --> 00:35:30,962 It is. 692 00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:32,379 That's why no one does it, man. 693 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:34,172 That's why there's nothing but bad barbecue. 694 00:35:34,173 --> 00:35:38,010 Because in my opinion the only true way to make barbecue is the 695 00:35:38,011 --> 00:35:41,722 burn barrel and the pits and you got to stay up all night. 696 00:35:41,723 --> 00:35:43,181 All night. 697 00:35:43,182 --> 00:35:44,935 ♪ 698 00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:52,858 Rodney Scott, a man sought after all over the world for 699 00:35:52,859 --> 00:35:56,779 some of the finest whole-hog barbecue there is. 700 00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:59,824 Rodney and his family have been doing it like 701 00:35:59,825 --> 00:36:02,618 this for 43 years. 702 00:36:02,619 --> 00:36:05,537 Burn barrel, fresh coals, slow, 703 00:36:05,538 --> 00:36:09,708 slow, slow cooked all night in the pit. 704 00:36:09,709 --> 00:36:11,752 There are no shortcuts. 705 00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:14,797 This ain't a craft. This is a calling. 706 00:36:14,798 --> 00:36:17,175 Look at that. 707 00:36:18,051 --> 00:36:19,760 Yes. 708 00:36:19,761 --> 00:36:21,762 Oh, man. 709 00:36:21,763 --> 00:36:23,430 Got to have a little bit of white rib with it. 710 00:36:23,431 --> 00:36:25,474 Yeah. 711 00:36:25,475 --> 00:36:28,519 This is what everybody always gets wrong in New York. 712 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,313 You serve cornbread with barbecue, which, of course, 713 00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:32,898 falls into crumbles. 714 00:36:32,899 --> 00:36:35,485 You got to have that. Look at that. 715 00:36:38,071 --> 00:36:41,323 This is what we call pork spaghetti. 716 00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:43,660 Got to have some of that. 717 00:36:46,496 --> 00:36:48,246 Man, that sauce is nice, too. 718 00:36:48,247 --> 00:36:49,790 Perfect. Right? 719 00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:51,167 Red pepper. 720 00:36:51,168 --> 00:36:52,960 That's my dad's recipe. 721 00:36:52,961 --> 00:36:56,672 You do not the standard South Carolina mustard dressing 722 00:36:56,673 --> 00:36:58,298 at all? 723 00:36:58,299 --> 00:36:59,591 Pissed at me about this because 724 00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:01,593 people feel strongly about these things. 725 00:37:01,594 --> 00:37:04,262 I was not liking that mustard thing. 726 00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:06,348 Around here you scream mustard, they'll think it's 727 00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:07,850 going on a hot dog. 728 00:37:07,851 --> 00:37:09,226 That's the only thing they know about mustard here. 729 00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:10,477 Oh, good. 730 00:37:10,478 --> 00:37:12,771 Oh, man, that's just so good. 731 00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:15,983 How many hours, about, that pig is cooking? 732 00:37:15,984 --> 00:37:17,693 12 hours. About 12. 733 00:37:17,694 --> 00:37:18,986 You have to love it. 734 00:37:18,987 --> 00:37:20,445 You have to be head over heels 735 00:37:20,446 --> 00:37:22,280 in love with it to do that every day. 736 00:37:22,281 --> 00:37:23,824 I mean, do you ever get sick of eating barbecue? 737 00:37:23,825 --> 00:37:25,326 No, not yet. 738 00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:33,667 What are we fishing for here? 739 00:37:33,668 --> 00:37:38,797 Well, out here we got spot tail bass, flounder, sea trout. 740 00:37:38,798 --> 00:37:41,383 Really? -Yeah. 741 00:37:41,384 --> 00:37:43,970 I got you. 742 00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:49,767 The way you fish here, throw it out as far as you can and 743 00:37:49,768 --> 00:37:51,476 just leave it. 744 00:37:51,477 --> 00:37:53,311 Just leave it? 745 00:37:53,312 --> 00:37:55,231 That's the cool thing about fishing out here. 746 00:37:55,232 --> 00:37:59,317 I don't have to be working, not much skill involved. 747 00:37:59,318 --> 00:38:04,281 So how am I doing in learning to be a red neck department? 748 00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:05,449 Not wearing shoes. 749 00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:07,159 You're looking good. 750 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,454 Without shoes on, a fishing pole in your hand on a dock. 751 00:38:10,455 --> 00:38:12,540 That's pretty awesome. 752 00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:23,259 That's a different pace here, man. 753 00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:25,636 You know, this is the way to live. 754 00:38:25,637 --> 00:38:27,512 I enjoy it. 755 00:38:27,513 --> 00:38:28,680 Love that waffle house, man. 756 00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:31,475 I tell you, that was like a... 757 00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:33,644 I like your restaurant and all. 758 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:37,564 I guess you're some kind of good chef, but that waffle house. 759 00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:38,732 That is a phenomenon. 760 00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:40,986 It really is. 761 00:38:42,028 --> 00:38:44,072 ♪ 762 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,330 Peanuts with whiskey. 763 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:54,539 Oh, yeah? 764 00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:56,584 ♪ 765 00:39:08,263 --> 00:39:09,805 That's good. 766 00:39:09,806 --> 00:39:11,223 That is nice. 767 00:39:11,224 --> 00:39:13,309 It's so good. 768 00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:17,313 How's the visit, too, to Charleston? 769 00:39:17,314 --> 00:39:19,064 It's been great. 770 00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:20,440 This is a special place. 771 00:39:20,441 --> 00:39:21,692 Really is. 772 00:39:21,693 --> 00:39:23,485 Very unique. 773 00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:28,573 It's been a lot of fun to watch the food scene here go from 774 00:39:28,574 --> 00:39:30,826 kind of what everybody else is doing, 775 00:39:30,827 --> 00:39:34,579 was doing, to doing something very singular. 776 00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:37,124 Very special. 777 00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:40,044 And when you got a tradition and when you have traditional 778 00:39:40,045 --> 00:39:44,631 recipes and a story behind food like you have here, that's a 779 00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:46,383 really cool thing. 780 00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:50,137 Well, the thing is, I'm still discovering stuff here. 781 00:39:50,138 --> 00:39:51,847 I've been here 12 years. 782 00:39:51,848 --> 00:39:54,516 The barbecue that Rodney gave us was sick, man. 783 00:39:54,517 --> 00:39:58,896 He is... he is a force to be reckoned with, man. 784 00:39:58,897 --> 00:40:04,693 You talk about Europe, everybody travels hours to go, or travels 785 00:40:04,694 --> 00:40:07,612 hours by car. 786 00:40:07,613 --> 00:40:10,074 It's the same thing here. We just do it for barbecue. 787 00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:11,367 Got a hit? 788 00:40:11,368 --> 00:40:13,327 I don't know. We'll see. 789 00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:14,494 Yeah. 790 00:40:14,495 --> 00:40:15,662 You did. 791 00:40:15,663 --> 00:40:17,122 It bit right below the hook. 792 00:40:17,123 --> 00:40:18,665 Yeah. 793 00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:20,167 So that's an intelligent mother [ muted ] fish, too. 794 00:40:20,168 --> 00:40:21,920 Big and intelligent. 795 00:40:25,298 --> 00:40:27,591 Hook up under the bottom lip. 796 00:40:27,592 --> 00:40:29,468 Ouch. 797 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,516 Open. 798 00:40:36,517 --> 00:40:38,102 Oh, he got my leg. 799 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:42,147 He's an eel seeking... 800 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,401 Where you think you're going, buddy? 801 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,071 One of those fish in the Amazon 802 00:40:49,072 --> 00:40:52,532 that swim up your... 803 00:40:52,533 --> 00:40:56,287 Nice try, buddy. 804 00:40:56,288 --> 00:40:58,038 ♪ 805 00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:02,252 ♪ Ain't nobody on the water but me but the sun's coming up ♪ 806 00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:08,924 Who doesn't want to end with this? 807 00:41:08,925 --> 00:41:11,260 The old fishing hole. Quality bourbon. 808 00:41:11,261 --> 00:41:13,511 No need for shoes. 809 00:41:13,512 --> 00:41:17,183 I think the crab are just having a minnow buffet. 810 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,312 In such circumstances, whether you actually catch any 811 00:41:21,313 --> 00:41:23,772 fish is completely beside the point. 812 00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:25,482 Come on, man, not bad for a Yankee. 813 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:26,650 Good, man. 814 00:41:26,651 --> 00:41:29,861 That was better than my last cast. 815 00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:34,659 ♪ Making noise with the alligator boys 20 miles east ♪ 61655

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