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Every time I come up to making any kind of big life decision,
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I see it as a crossroads.
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There are three or four different ways to go here.
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Which is the one which is,
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I don't know,
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maybe the most spiritual,
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the most honest,
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and the most beneficial to everybody?
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I suppose,
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trying to read the Sun, tell me which way I should go to find the answer. And all the time I'm stuck in this line.
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The only time I'm happy is when I play my guitar. Eric Clapton is, by common consent, the greatest living exponent of the electric guitar.
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He could be the archetypal guitar hero, but a hero that hardly anyone could say that they really know.
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He shuns fame,
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a blues man who has lived the blues,
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and he has an almost Chameleon-like ability to change,
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survive,
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and move on.
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This was never more apparent than at the height of his fame in the
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60s, when he was part of the supergroup Cream.
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It's
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1968, and Cream's farewell concert at the Albert Hall.
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Clapton is about to pull the plug on the world's most successful rock trio.
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With an almost dismissive wave of the hand,
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three were finished,
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and with one gesture,
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Eric was creating another chapter in the story of a musical legend.
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Throughout both his personal life and professional career,
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the crossroads have been used as a metaphor for Eric's ever-changing life.
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The addiction center in Antigua in the Caribbean that he founded is named after it.
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It refers to a classic track that Eric has often revisited.
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It was written by blues legend Robert Johnson,
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a man whose vision and dedication acted as a beacon for the young Eric.
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When I got Robert Johnson,
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it was almost like he closed the door.
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And it was...
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It was almost another kind of experience in there that I knew that was somewhere I could never go.
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I could always aspire to that,
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but it was something I would never grasp.
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And I think that,
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in a way,
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he was like the light at the end of the tunnel, in a way that gave me like a horizon to go towards.
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Whereas I could probably,
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in a conceited way,
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say,
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oh,
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well,
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I've got this piece of Brunzine down,
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you know,
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where I can play.
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Peggy, Sue, or maybe baby, in a way that sounded like Buddy Holly.
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But you could never say that of any of Robert Johnson's pieces.
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Robert Johnson started out as a rather average folk blues player in the Deep South during the
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1930s.
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However, one year, he disappeared for six months.
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On his return,
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he was arguably the greatest guitar player on the Mississippi Delta.
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The legend soon spread.
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That he had sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in return for his superhuman talents. I don't know anyone yet that has managed to actually, um, totally
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imitate anything he's ever done. It's beyond so. To me, he is like the thing to aspire to and at the same time know that I could never get there. Robert Johnson's body was buried here,
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in an unmarked grave at the Crossroads in Mississippi.
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It was this story, more than any other, that seized the imagination of the young Eric Clapton.
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But Eric's background was a million miles away from the deep South and the cotton fields.
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He was born and brought up in what is known as London's Stockbroker Belt,
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a chain of prosperous country villages on the outskirts of England's capital.
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He was born in a small village called Ripley in Surrey.
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I couldn't have chosen a better place to come from if I had to,
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you know,
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if I had to, kind of choose where I was going to be born. All over again.
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I don't think I would have opted for the Mississippi.
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Pete Richards of the Rolling Stones.
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Stones,
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although born on the other side of London,
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had an almost identical experience as a youngster in the suburbs.
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I guess it was the music from America originally that suddenly the world seemed to me to go from black and white to technicolor,
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full technicolor.
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Suddenly, there was something happening.
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The rest of it had seemed to be while I was a kid. And I've no doubt to where it kind of...
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Scraping along,
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you know,
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and they just trying to, like, gather up the bits,
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you know,
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It seemed because your parents, and,
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in Eric's case,
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his grandparents or whatever,
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you know,
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we grew up in a sort of fractured post-war
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England, you know,
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which is damn boring.
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We grew up together from babies,
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really.
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He's only five doors away.
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Rose and Jack brought Rick up and his grandparents.
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And they were ever loving to him, and they spoiled him a little bit,
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as they would.
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He also seemed to have the newest toys,
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etc.
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Everything they did for him.
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Eric's childhood was the childhood of an outsider.
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In England in 1945,
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there was still a stigma attached to being born illegitimate.
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The thing about being an outsider was never put on me by them.
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It was something that I felt within myself as...
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In a genetic way is that perhaps? And I and I've since learned that my father was a traveler, um, not a Romany or a Gypsy, but he was. He always was on the move, and I think I inherited that genetically. Is that, you know, and I know today that I
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still like to divide my time between one player. I like to spend a certain amount of my time here. Then I after a while I want to move. I just to have an inbuilt desire to travel,
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which those guys don't have.
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They like being...
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Exactly,
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they liked staying.
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Eric was the result of his mother's liaison with a Canadian air force man.
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His grandparents brought him up as their own,
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and he thought his real mother was his sister until he was 11.
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His best friend from that time,
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Guy Pullen,
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remembers Eric's reaction to finding out the truth about his origins.
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It was shock, more than anything else,
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I think,
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when he realised that Rose wasn't his actual mother.
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Because, obviously, Rose could have been his mother with the age gap,
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Pat had him when she was only 16.
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So we would just think that it was a mother anyway,
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she wasn't any older than her own parent.
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Eric was seen as an outsider by his contemporaries.
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I think whatever he did,
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he tended to,
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you know,
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do it in a quite serious way.
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I remember he went to see the film The Magnificent Seven, and was very impressed by it.
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One of the seven was a knife thrower,
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had a knife and suddenly went like that.
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And the person was dead. And that impressed Eric, and he wanted to be the one who threw the knives. Turning from his immediate surroundings, Eric looked across the Atlantic to a more glamorous world. One that he would later conquer, and one that now provided him with inspiration to turn to music. One
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of the first books I ever got my hands on, it was a prize at school, when, you know, a prize giving day. They gave me a book on America, and it was like
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one that it was like a whole other world,
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you know,
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photographs of skyscrapers.
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I had an early interest in American cars and military stuff, and cowboys and Indians.
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And it was all outside.
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Everything was outside of Ripley,
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all the stuff I was interested in.
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And, of course,
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eventually, music,
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when that,
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you know,
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became a big part of my life,
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my earliest recollections of music.
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Were music from far away.
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I couldn't,
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you know,
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the stuff that was local,
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it didn't intrigue me that much.
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It looked pretty much like imitative,
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you know.
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Eric became driven to master the music he heard from the states, from the likes of Bluesman,
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big Bill Brunsin.
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I'd say that the formative influences were probably Buddy Holly and Big Bill Brunsin between,
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you know,
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the white and black.
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It's like a yin and yang side of individual.
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Musicology in that, these were both solo artists who had completely mastered their scope of the music from a white side and from a black side. And was actually probably very. The root may have been Robert Johnson for both of them, in terms of its purity, if not Robert Johnson, Leroy Carr, or
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I don't know who buddy Holly would have listened to, but it's absolutely guaranteed that it would have been black music.
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I'm pretty sure it would have been actually
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more like, maybe a mixture of,
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you know,
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country,
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country and blues,
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perhaps someone like Bob Wills, or because they were Texans and the music from the South.
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So they were,
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I mean,
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those were my early role models, and they were actually fairly accessible artists.
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You know,
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like, there were times when
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Bill Brunsey would actually make almost white music because he had begun to tour,
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I guess, and was playing in Europe.
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And had learned to how to compromise a little bit without really watering it down. So he was quite accessible to me in terms of learning, and Buddy Holly was very accessible because of the way he played and wrote. And they were really my formative role
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models. It would have been about
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10 or 11, I suppose, and Rose bought him a Spanish guitar, nothing too expensive, obviously. That was his first first get you out.
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And it was quite incredible to watch him because he used to sit on the village green here in the summer. And just. And he had this old Grundy tape recorder and he continually played Brunzi, we didn't know Brunzi. All the local boys, I mean, we were all into
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Buddy, Holly and Elvis. We'd never heard of Brunzi, Robert Johnson, these guys that we know so well now. But he used to literally play Brunswick back,
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forward,
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back,
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forward. And then copy the rip
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and copy, direct and copy direct, copy the rift. And he's just like, How does this sound? And it is sound the same. It is a self-taught magnificent, you know? But I want to give us, give me a tag of riding chair. Ripley was very much an
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athletic community and and I needed to be,
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I needed to meet other people who perhaps
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more creative or more oddball.
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I couldn't fit into it.
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It's a very humiliating experience and I found that the only thing I had to offer was my ability to play the guitar. And I became accepted for that. And I developed in time a reputation which led to all of the work that I eventually got.
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When he was 16,
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Eric won a place among Surrey's elite students at the Kingston Art School.
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It meant travelling to a bigger town and a partial escape.
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From Ripley.
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We had this one thing that tied us all together,
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which was this love of,
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or the passion of,
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Black music. By way of the blues,
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which we discovered.
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This was like an endless journey of which we were just starting on.
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Collyfield Road in Surbiton was the main school.
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We had an annex,
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which was three quarters of a mile up the road.
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Well,
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to get to that,
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you had to go past Bell's music Shop.
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And the big momentous thing was that Eric's grandmother had bought him this electric guitar,
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this K guitar,
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which was,
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I think,
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a Barney Kessel model.
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I mean,
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it really was a stunning thing and terribly expensive at that time.
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If I remember rightly,
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it was somewhere in the region of
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£90-ish, that sort of price.
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Well,
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I mean,
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if you think that,
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I think my father was earning about £8 a week,
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that was a lot of money.
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Boy,
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you accuse me!
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Take a look yourself.
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It was like another,
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like a kind of like, almost like a Hollywood kind of thing going on in Houston.
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For someone who came from Ripley,
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it was like stepping into
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Superstar. I remember there was this pub called the Crown, where everyone would go and drink,
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and it had its own hierarchy,
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its own pecking order. That were played.
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For someone like me,
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I had to hang around the fringe.
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Until I was kind of okay.
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At that time,
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though,
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I suppose we thought we were refined.
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You know,
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we were kind of into muddy waters, records and things, and not so much bothering with the pop end of things,
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you know.
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That side of the show, busy side of, and of course, you were resolutely none showbiz. I think I knew that with the Kingston crowd. I think, um,
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Instinctively,
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I knew I'd found something which could give me a standing,
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a platform,
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or a place to be.
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It would give me...
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It was a way of earning respect.
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It was the first sign I'd had of anything that was in my being that could garner some respect,
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even if it was momentarily.
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I could stop people and get their attention and admiration.
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And that's when I knew that that was something I could employ for the rest of my life,
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you know,
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as long as I developed it.
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He used to come over to Kingston on the 215 bus. And again,
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because we didn't have any money,
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couldn't go out spending all over the place,
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He would come to my place and we'd sit and listen, with our ears to the floor,
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listening to a dancet record player.
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One record was
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Big Ball Bruins'
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When did you leave Heaven.
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Eric's devotion to the blues has never gone away,
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but this dedication to his roots was sorely tested when commercial success came his way.
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He didn't have long to wait.
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Eric Clapton's move from the Surrey dormitory town of Ripley to the relative Bright lights of Kingston gave him an opportunity to show his skills to fellow students at the Kingston Art School.
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In the explosion of new music, which took place in 1963,
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a new band was being formed by some fellow students.
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They asked Clapton to audition when a vacancy in the Yardbirds materialised.
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He seemed very sure of himself,
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very confident,
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a very strong person.
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Play with us. And, um, I sort of immediately took an immediate dislike to him for some reason. I thought I thought this guy's a bit couple. There was nothing else like it really around. Um, I mean, he
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would even he's my guitars once, just to take it home and and and sort of put it on and work a way out of, you know, a stance, position. And gradually, maybe after about a few months
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playing with us, he felt confident enough to start really soloing. He was a consumer stylist in his look and his clothing, and he had a certain, certain sadness about him, which I think was very appealing. Got a girl called Mamey, she'd
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be nice and kind, don't care what she do. Why don't you worry? Our band was like
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the typical band at the time that was based all based around the lead singer. Lead singer was the front, and so all the attention would go towards Keith. Um, then, after a while after he played in the band for a while, we
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noticed that there were a crowd building up on his side of the stage. And lots of, lots of girls and men as well, you know, that were very interest in what he was doing.
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So he was doing something or other.
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But I don't know exactly what.
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He had men and women,
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boys and girls,
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I guess at that time.
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Yes,
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he had his coterie of women who would faithfully follow us and him,
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possibly because all our gigs were in London or thereabouts,
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and they would come to every gig and the all-nighters at the Scene club.
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And the adoration was a sort of platonic,
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sort of a platonic thing,
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you know.
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What made him good at that time,
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and I would say that that's my,
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you know,
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what moves me personally in music,
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you know,
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It has to send a shiver down my back,
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and
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I have to be really moved by the way somebody plays,
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and without a doubt,
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at that time,
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he could play in such a way that could move one's feelings.
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I would say he has that ability, and I mean, when you look at him playing, you can actually see that he's playing from his soul, inner self. Pain. In the same way as the people we were trying to emulate.
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How many bridges I've got to clear and keep?
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How many times must I explain myself?
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Or I can talk to the voice?
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Or I can talk to the voice?
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It's almost like triangulated.
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I had a very,
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very...
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I was on my journey, without a doubt towards,
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you know,
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rhythm and blues and Blues.
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And I think the other guys, like Keith and Paul Samuel Smith, were going in different directions.
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And I think both of those guys,
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Keith,
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I don't know that Keith had really made up his mind what he wanted to be,
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but he was attracted to a lot of different things.
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I mean,
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he was attracted to jazz,
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to folk and to,
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you know,
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superstardom.
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And Paul was like listening to Bob Dylan and Joan Baez in the days when no one knew who they were. And was probably much more into organic music.
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So,
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and those kinds of things were conflicting with one another.
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And a lot of the time, we didn't really have any access to express that conflict.
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It was just like disgruntled.
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I mean,
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we weren't,
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I mean,
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I think we could all tell that we weren't seeing it the same way,
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but didn't quite know how to.
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To bring it back together again. You know how many times when God said, I love you, oh, you finally understand, won't be my. I'll
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try to be your father.
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Well,
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I think possibly the Yardbirds was the first time he established an audience, and he realised that an audience were turned on by him. And it wasn't just the playing.
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You know,
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again, going back,
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I almost think it's actually,
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you know,
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in his character,
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it's kind of more important in a way,
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Not so much the playing,
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which, of course, is superb,
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but it's the charisma that's sent out,
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the vibes,
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that actually makes him more interesting.
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When John was not saying, I love you,
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Oh,
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do
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I understand?
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Won't you be my poor woman?
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I'll be your poor little man.
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I'll be your,
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gotta
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be your father. What I think about Eric is that he has developed such a devoted following worldwide,
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which is both men and women.
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And I think what's interesting,
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and in retrospect, what I can see from the very early days,
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he had an attractiveness which
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I can see would be very appealing to younger women.
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I think in a way, he probably misconstrued the Yardbirds to a degree in
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what we were and actually how serious and experimental we wanted to be.
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Also,
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you have to remember that he had actually joined a family that although...
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Only in a short term,
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but had already been formed.
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So he was slightly the outsider.
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I mean,
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I think that it's been quoted that he thought we were rather middle class.
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Well,
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actually,
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at the time,
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that is completely untrue.
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I think what he probably meant was that we had a pretty normal family and maybe that was part of the puzzle.
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And anyway,
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what happened? was he...
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Decided, I think that, you know, this particular song was very commercial. It's too poppy for him. It didn't, but how did it relate to the blues? Also?
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I mean, I wasn't party to the sort of Stalin-esque goings on behind the scene,
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But I felt he didn't feel that he was in control of that music,
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which he was a great influence earlier in the Yardbirds.
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I mean, a lot of the songs we did came from him and his musical collection.
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He got the nickname Slow Hand Clapton, actually from
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Hamish Grimes.
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We were playing really frenetically.
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He'd really be bashing into his strings, and he'd break a string, Of course, he'd take a while to change the string. And this was the joke. And slow hand Clapton don't go to suit you. I think I lose. I think there was several different schools of thought in the art birds. I saw that there was a way forward without it becoming totally commercial. Um, and
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I had, um.
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We were kind of given this like exam situation by the guy that was managing us,
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Giorgio,
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said,
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well,
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we got this opportunity to make a record. And we need a single kind of thing.
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So you've all got to come up with it.
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It was like everyone come up with an idea.
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And the closest I could come to it, without really compromising our ideals, was this Otis Redding song.
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And what they ended up doing was a Graham Gouldman song,
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which is a great song for any band,
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but it wasn't the...
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I didn't want to be our first record of any state that's being harnessed or anything that I was involved with,
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so that kind of image,
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that quickly.
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With the Yardbirds moving towards the pop charts with the single For Your Love,
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Eric decided to move the other way.
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He quit the band,
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but the legend of Clapton was gathering pace.
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That there was actually another agenda going on,
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which was that I wasn't a very likable guy.
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And I wasn't,
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you know,
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I was a very nasty piece of work a lot of the time then.
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I was unreliable,
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dogmatic,
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and unsociable a lot of the time.
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And I think they saw me as being the fly in the oil,
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you know,
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And it was like,
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once we got rid of Eric,
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we can get on with this,
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you know,
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and become like a really successful group.
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But sooner or later,
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I've got to go back,
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back home to Ripley,
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perhaps,
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and admit that this has all been a...
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A mistake and go back to work with my grandfather on the building site.
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And then Eric received a call that would both change his life and confirm his image as a loner,
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a man who had put his music before financial gain,
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a purist and a musical genius.
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And then I got the call from John Mayer and I thought,
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this is it.
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I've met somebody else who has that same view of how it can be.
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He was the only guitar player that I'd heard that was on the scene who had really any idea of what it really was all about.
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I think he was to be regarded pretty much as a nomad,
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and it was something you put up with,
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right?
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As a band leader,
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it was a little frustrating not to have that reliability that I was used to.
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But,
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of course,
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his talents and his playing were worth putting up with,
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you know,
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the aggro.
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I had an album.
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Called Blues Breakers by
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John Mayall.
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And Eric was the guitarist.
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And he played a Freddie King song called
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Hideaway, Which
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I learned by slowing it down to 16 and learning every lick, and then gradually being able to wind it up to 33 rpm. And then playing it with him,
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every note,
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note for note.
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And I could play the whole album like that eventually.
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So I learned to play lead guitar listening to Eric Clapton.
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How many times must we tell the tale?
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How many times must we fall?
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We have to see.
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We've never lost memory,
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we've just begun.
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It was obvious from his playing that he'd absorbed far more than most and had assimilated a multitude of...
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With Eric,
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it's just really been a blues-based thing. That has been refined here and there and extended backwards in time and refined around what there is there.
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And it's an excellent base for explorations,
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really,
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and for just doing different things. because,
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well,
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in fact,
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you can hear it when you get figures who are maybe popular in rock bands who play,
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but they don't have that basis.
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And they try and do bluesy things or blues type things.
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And
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I remember Eric Lafferty,
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you know,
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some people's efforts to do that.
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Because I suppose people achieve a sort of facility on instruments.
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And then so they think that they can therefore play that stuff.
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And it's not.
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It's not as easy as that.
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It's a craft.
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You know,
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I don't really respond to this idea. That rock and roll should be something that is so spontaneous that as soon as you can play,
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you can't do it anymore.
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I think that's nonsense,
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you know.
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It is a craft.
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It's an instrument with a long,
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long tradition,
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a thousand years of tradition.
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The more you practice,
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the better you get.
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The more choices you have at your fingertips,
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literally,
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we must respect that.
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We must respect learning and craft.
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And Eric Clapton is someone I respect greatly.
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If you think that you can doodle around on a guitar,
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so why can't you get up and do that?
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Then just try it and see what sort of an effect that you have.
495
00:31:13,163 --> 00:31:13,788
You know,
496
00:31:14,211 --> 00:31:15,883
that it's a hard-won thing.
497
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,913
And it comes from being...
498
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:20,791
In love with it and being obsessive,
499
00:31:20,911 --> 00:31:21,673
semi-obsessive,
500
00:31:21,772 --> 00:31:25,195
or really obsessive to a fairly extensive degree about it.
501
00:31:26,176 --> 00:31:29,262
That's how you get to have a touch like that and a sound like that.
502
00:31:32,583 --> 00:31:33,887
Because you are your own thing,
503
00:31:33,926 --> 00:31:35,301
it's not just derivative.
504
00:31:35,645 --> 00:31:37,380
It's not just completely derivative.
505
00:31:37,411 --> 00:31:37,661
You know,
506
00:31:37,662 --> 00:31:42,005
you end up getting your own sound and your own approach to things.
507
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:48,005
There are times on stage when I've stood next to and just been blown away by.
508
00:31:48,298 --> 00:31:56,627
Some of that stuff because it's great, it's really great. Blues guitar playing, you know, nothing, nothing less than that.
509
00:32:18,114 --> 00:32:20,758
I get lost in alibi,
510
00:32:23,742 --> 00:32:37,188
sadness, can't prepare. Everybody knows Tom's a good guy. Berwick at that time was,
511
00:32:37,859 --> 00:32:38,609
in my mind,
512
00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:40,203
totally brilliant.
513
00:32:41,846 --> 00:32:44,308
There were nights when he felt like playing,
514
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:46,391
when he really had it in him.
515
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:51,239
He was coming out with things on the guitar that would make your jaw drop.
516
00:32:52,417 --> 00:32:52,636
But,
517
00:32:52,817 --> 00:32:53,058
you know,
518
00:32:53,394 --> 00:32:54,355
he had to be in the mood.
519
00:32:54,356 --> 00:32:57,747
He was one of those very up-and-down things.
520
00:32:57,748 --> 00:32:59,403
He never quite knew what you were going to get.
521
00:33:00,183 --> 00:33:00,667
But like I say,
522
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:01,653
when he was on form,
523
00:33:01,792 --> 00:33:02,089
I mean,
524
00:33:02,090 --> 00:33:03,042
there was nothing like it.
525
00:33:18,513 --> 00:33:30,619
Um, I
526
00:33:30,621 --> 00:33:39,401
am very conscious of, um, its significance. And, uh, and even then, I, I actually must admit that I was resistant
527
00:33:40,221 --> 00:33:41,363
about making a record.
528
00:33:41,823 --> 00:33:41,942
Now,
529
00:33:41,943 --> 00:33:48,063
I think what it was was that I've always considered, to a certain extent, that what I do isn't the real thing.
530
00:33:48,344 --> 00:33:49,180
And even now,
531
00:33:49,625 --> 00:33:50,547
I'm haunted by it,
532
00:33:51,047 --> 00:33:55,188
that the real thing is over there, somewhere on the other side of the Atlantic, or in a club.
533
00:33:55,586 --> 00:34:03,633
And so, therefore, being put on record has suddenly forced me to stand up and account for the fact that I'm...
534
00:34:03,890 --> 00:34:21,442
Actually in the marketplace with that, and must be and have to be ready to be. Compared to the thing I've always wanted to emulate. So suddenly now, and I think, especially at that stage of mine, was, if it's still very young, I don't. I didn't think I was ready to
535
00:34:21,567 --> 00:34:23,972
step into the into that kind of
536
00:34:25,126 --> 00:34:25,527
arena?
537
00:34:26,668 --> 00:34:30,873
The making of the Blues Breakers album was for us just business as usual.
538
00:34:30,911 --> 00:34:36,860
We went into the studio and basically recorded what we had been playing on stage.
539
00:34:38,016 --> 00:34:38,282
And,
540
00:34:38,838 --> 00:34:39,079
you know,
541
00:34:39,103 --> 00:34:46,688
at the time, we didn't expect it to do anything other than just document what we were doing.
542
00:34:50,922 --> 00:34:54,719
That Blues Breakers album is now regarded as a groundbreaking record.
543
00:34:55,329 --> 00:34:56,230
For the first time,
544
00:34:56,250 --> 00:35:01,313
the sensibilities of amplified rock were combined with the sound of the great Chicago bluesmen.
545
00:35:01,789 --> 00:35:03,692
It was a virtuoso performance.
546
00:35:04,394 --> 00:35:06,871
But even as the Blues Breakers album was being pressed,
547
00:35:07,231 --> 00:35:08,192
Eric was elsewhere,
548
00:35:08,536 --> 00:35:09,074
on the move,
549
00:35:09,472 --> 00:35:12,019
and restless to escape any sort of pigeonholing.
550
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:17,050
It was symptomatic of the inner conflict between private needs and the public acclaim.
551
00:35:17,753 --> 00:35:20,489
Eric just did not want to play the fame game.
552
00:35:22,789 --> 00:35:24,311
All the time that I was with John,
553
00:35:24,371 --> 00:35:25,773
I was leaving and coming back.
554
00:35:25,853 --> 00:35:26,092
I mean,
555
00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:27,356
it never happened in one go.
556
00:35:27,358 --> 00:35:32,818
It was like I would go off little jaunts or not show up at gigs, too.
557
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,121
You know,
558
00:35:33,137 --> 00:35:38,443
it was quite normal for me to forget, maybe, or just not be bothered or want to do something else.
559
00:35:38,527 --> 00:35:38,739
I mean,
560
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:44,427
it's hard for me now to imagine the kind of guy I was that would do that to somebody.
561
00:35:45,396 --> 00:35:45,505
But
562
00:35:45,989 --> 00:35:47,161
I think at the time,
563
00:35:47,974 --> 00:35:48,208
you know,
564
00:35:48,255 --> 00:35:50,630
I was with John and I wasn't with John.
565
00:35:51,094 --> 00:35:52,909
There was part of me that was saying,
566
00:35:54,088 --> 00:35:54,887
this is okay,
567
00:35:55,688 --> 00:35:56,789
but it's not okay.
568
00:35:58,027 --> 00:36:00,489
That I was already thinking of moving on.
569
00:36:00,590 --> 00:36:05,114
So I think what I would probably be doing would be to John,
570
00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:06,074
just to let him know,
571
00:36:06,574 --> 00:36:14,706
Was that? Every now and then I sabotage the whole thing? So that he know he couldn't count on me and that I actually was passing through.
572
00:36:15,347 --> 00:36:16,425
I don't know where I'm going,
573
00:36:16,456 --> 00:36:17,597
but I'm not staying here.
574
00:36:19,175 --> 00:36:20,159
I suppose I thought,
575
00:36:20,269 --> 00:36:22,192
some were in the back of my mind,
576
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,347
bit.
577
00:36:22,556 --> 00:36:27,619
I was going to be ready, perhaps when I was about 40, to make a record.
578
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:28,581
You know,
579
00:36:29,222 --> 00:36:29,900
up until then,
580
00:36:29,943 --> 00:36:32,728
I was going to be a student of getting and trying to get it right.
581
00:36:32,744 --> 00:36:32,987
You know,
582
00:36:32,987 --> 00:36:34,550
there was going to be another 10 or 15 or
583
00:36:34,972 --> 00:36:42,440
20 years of getting it right before. I would ever have to stand up and account for what I had achieved.
584
00:36:42,831 --> 00:36:44,050
And yet here I was, like
585
00:36:44,597 --> 00:36:47,503
20 years old and shoved in.
586
00:36:47,518 --> 00:36:47,768
I mean,
587
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,581
I remember being shoved in the studio,
588
00:36:49,722 --> 00:36:50,206
although I,
589
00:36:50,268 --> 00:36:50,628
you know.
590
00:36:51,251 --> 00:36:55,733
I'm sure I was very happy to be there with muddy waters and Otis spann when I was 19 years old.
591
00:36:56,476 --> 00:36:57,777
And these were already,
592
00:36:57,918 --> 00:36:58,179
you know,
593
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:58,617
men.
594
00:36:59,101 --> 00:37:00,117
Men's men.
595
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:01,664
And I was a kid,
596
00:37:01,844 --> 00:37:02,085
you know,
597
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:02,960
with a guitar.
598
00:37:03,101 --> 00:37:04,780
And I felt very,
599
00:37:06,202 --> 00:37:06,469
I mean,
600
00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:07,422
terrified.
601
00:37:08,391 --> 00:37:09,030
Beyond belief.
602
00:37:09,094 --> 00:37:12,813
I had no idea of how to conduct myself whatsoever.
603
00:37:12,875 --> 00:37:13,797
I had no idea.
604
00:37:13,938 --> 00:37:16,172
And I don't know whether I did well or not.
605
00:37:16,233 --> 00:37:16,608
It didn't...
606
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:17,780
I was just,
607
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:18,221
I was,
608
00:37:18,380 --> 00:37:20,443
it was almost like I blanked it out of my memory.
609
00:37:20,483 --> 00:37:21,603
I was so frightened.
610
00:37:22,063 --> 00:37:24,626
And these guys were in their suits, and there were men in their,
611
00:37:24,766 --> 00:37:25,028
in their
612
00:37:25,547 --> 00:37:26,329
40s, who'd achieve,
613
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:27,547
they were the kings,
614
00:37:27,572 --> 00:37:27,867
you know,
615
00:37:27,907 --> 00:37:28,047
and,
616
00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:28,228
uh,
617
00:37:29,954 --> 00:37:30,431
and in a way,
618
00:37:30,492 --> 00:37:32,056
this didn't seem right to me.
619
00:37:32,634 --> 00:37:33,829
It still doesn't seem right.
620
00:37:35,579 --> 00:37:38,141
By the time the classic Blues Breakers album was issued,
621
00:37:38,516 --> 00:37:40,079
Eric had already left the band.
622
00:37:40,641 --> 00:37:44,063
His diffidence is probably best shown in the way he's pictured on the sleeve,
623
00:37:44,219 --> 00:37:44,969
reading the comic,
624
00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:45,547
the Beano.
625
00:37:46,335 --> 00:37:47,579
But despite his attitude,
626
00:37:47,858 --> 00:37:51,525
the album spawned London's most famous rock graffiti all over the capital.
627
00:37:52,025 --> 00:37:53,628
Eric was hailed as the master.
628
00:37:54,346 --> 00:37:56,416
His next band proved the point.
629
00:38:10,269 --> 00:38:17,000
In 1967,
630
00:38:18,577 --> 00:38:19,320
Ginger Baker,
631
00:38:19,476 --> 00:38:23,827
Jack Bruce and Eric Clapton formed the first and mightiest supergroup of the
632
00:38:24,327 --> 00:38:25,469
60s, called Cream.
633
00:38:25,891 --> 00:38:28,313
They changed the face of rock music forever.
634
00:38:38,184 --> 00:38:45,914
In who God is,
635
00:38:45,914 --> 00:38:47,016
and who can change me.
636
00:38:47,016 --> 00:38:47,391
God is first,
637
00:38:47,391 --> 00:38:47,655
and only He is.
638
00:38:47,657 --> 00:38:47,936
I can say I'm...
639
00:38:47,938 --> 00:38:51,172
I never didn't see the point in recreating kind of Chicago blues band.
640
00:38:51,577 --> 00:38:51,797
You know,
641
00:38:51,797 --> 00:38:52,125
that's...
642
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,266
And I remember discussions with him and,
643
00:38:55,297 --> 00:38:55,547
you know,
644
00:38:55,608 --> 00:38:55,797
saying,
645
00:38:55,827 --> 00:38:55,969
well,
646
00:38:55,969 --> 00:38:57,155
I want to take it somewhere else,
647
00:38:57,186 --> 00:38:58,344
which is really presumptuous,
648
00:38:58,344 --> 00:38:58,561
you know,
649
00:38:58,577 --> 00:38:58,780
very...
650
00:39:00,376 --> 00:39:02,277
Daring and kind of arrogant and everything,
651
00:39:02,317 --> 00:39:02,777
but you know,
652
00:39:02,797 --> 00:39:03,257
I was young.
653
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:05,621
For the first time,
654
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,242
Eric was playing alongside his musical equals.
655
00:39:08,844 --> 00:39:10,422
The results were electric.
656
00:39:11,507 --> 00:39:13,829
I had met my mash with both of them,
657
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:14,110
you know,
658
00:39:14,110 --> 00:39:21,851
and up until then, I'd really been able to kind of manipulate and dominate situations,
659
00:39:21,914 --> 00:39:22,976
musically speaking.
660
00:39:23,257 --> 00:39:24,257
Around these guys,
661
00:39:24,476 --> 00:39:26,039
I felt like a younger brother,
662
00:39:26,664 --> 00:39:27,367
and I was very...
663
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,123
I was very aware of the dynamic being out of my control.
664
00:39:32,123 --> 00:39:34,286
And that interested me,
665
00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:35,686
no doubt about it.
666
00:39:35,806 --> 00:39:40,170
I thought it was something where I could almost step into the background.
667
00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:42,576
It was all going on all the time between Jack and Ginger.
668
00:39:42,998 --> 00:39:43,936
It was a tremendous,
669
00:39:44,731 --> 00:39:45,498
a lot of energy,
670
00:39:46,045 --> 00:39:47,639
either aggressive and loving, too.
671
00:39:47,951 --> 00:39:48,467
They were very,
672
00:39:48,514 --> 00:39:48,778
very,
673
00:39:49,606 --> 00:39:54,592
they were active human beings and very big in their emotions and their ambitions.
674
00:39:55,251 --> 00:40:12,202
And their creative abilities. They were very, very big people, bigger than anyone I'd met. Until that point, Green became one of the biggest bands in the world. Their music crossed over between the pop charts and the growing underground scene, and each album they produced outsold the last. We
675
00:40:12,219 --> 00:40:23,780
were conscious of the fact that we were held in awe, uh, even amongst, like the music press here, which, would, you know, in those days, was quite an achievement. Um,
676
00:40:24,788 --> 00:40:25,027
you know,
677
00:40:25,088 --> 00:40:26,329
when we did the first gig,
678
00:40:26,369 --> 00:40:28,231
we didn't even have a full repertoire.
679
00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:30,353
We played at some jazz festival,
680
00:40:30,414 --> 00:40:31,333
Reading Jazz Festival,
681
00:40:31,376 --> 00:40:31,695
I think,
682
00:40:32,556 --> 00:40:33,099
with half,
683
00:40:33,152 --> 00:40:33,394
you know,
684
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,177
like about five songs,
685
00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:36,277
which was what we had.
686
00:40:37,161 --> 00:40:38,981
And people were blown away.
687
00:40:39,661 --> 00:40:41,724
And we were very conscious of what we had.
688
00:41:01,507 --> 00:41:07,733
I'm going to do a little bit of a speech and then we'll start.
689
00:41:07,735 --> 00:41:07,914
Hello.
690
00:41:07,914 --> 00:41:08,117
Hello.
691
00:41:08,155 --> 00:41:08,297
Hello.
692
00:41:08,297 --> 00:41:08,492
Hello.
693
00:41:08,539 --> 00:41:08,655
Hello.
694
00:41:08,672 --> 00:41:08,851
Hello.
695
00:41:08,851 --> 00:41:09,014
Hello.
696
00:41:09,132 --> 00:41:09,257
Hello.
697
00:41:09,273 --> 00:41:09,476
Hello.
698
00:41:09,476 --> 00:41:09,679
Hello.
699
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:10,070
Hello.
700
00:41:10,070 --> 00:41:10,210
Hello.
701
00:41:10,211 --> 00:41:11,164
Hello.
702
00:41:11,179 --> 00:41:11,882
Hello.
703
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,179
Hello.
704
00:41:12,351 --> 00:41:12,835
Hello.
705
00:41:13,101 --> 00:41:13,257
Hello.
706
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:13,414
Hello.
707
00:41:13,414 --> 00:41:13,742
Hello.
708
00:41:13,742 --> 00:41:13,945
Hello.
709
00:41:14,023 --> 00:41:14,132
Hello.
710
00:41:14,179 --> 00:41:14,320
Hello.
711
00:41:14,367 --> 00:41:14,523
Hello.
712
00:41:14,523 --> 00:41:14,695
Hello.
713
00:41:14,695 --> 00:41:14,820
Hello.
714
00:41:14,867 --> 00:41:15,039
Hello.
715
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:15,195
Hello.
716
00:41:15,195 --> 00:41:15,367
Hello.
717
00:41:15,382 --> 00:41:15,585
Hello.
718
00:41:15,867 --> 00:41:16,023
Hello.
719
00:41:16,023 --> 00:41:16,148
Hello.
720
00:41:16,148 --> 00:41:16,320
Hello.
721
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:16,476
Hello.
722
00:41:16,664 --> 00:41:16,976
Hello.
723
00:41:17,617 --> 00:41:18,320
Thank you.
724
00:41:24,077 --> 00:41:29,483
And we've got a growth portal.
725
00:41:29,485 --> 00:41:30,679
And we've got a growth portal.
726
00:41:30,681 --> 00:41:31,547
And we've got a growth portal.
727
00:41:31,547 --> 00:41:32,945
And we've got a growth portal.
728
00:41:32,969 --> 00:41:33,750
And we've got a growth portal.
729
00:41:33,789 --> 00:41:35,452
And we've got a growth portal.
730
00:41:35,483 --> 00:41:36,266
And we've got a growth portal.
731
00:41:36,266 --> 00:41:36,969
And we've got a growth portal.
732
00:41:36,983 --> 00:41:37,688
And we've got a growth portal.
733
00:41:37,688 --> 00:41:38,483
And we've got a growth portal.
734
00:41:38,547 --> 00:41:40,030
And we've got a growth portal.
735
00:41:40,032 --> 00:41:40,797
And we've got a growth portal.
736
00:41:40,797 --> 00:41:42,047
And we've got a growth portal.
737
00:41:42,047 --> 00:41:42,594
And we've got a growth portal.
738
00:41:42,594 --> 00:41:43,733
And we've got a growth portal.
739
00:41:43,735 --> 00:41:44,233
And we've got a growth portal.
740
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:44,875
And we've got a growth portal.
741
00:41:44,876 --> 00:41:45,594
And we've got a growth portal.
742
00:41:45,594 --> 00:41:45,719
Um,
743
00:41:47,545 --> 00:42:06,485
I'm a little crazy.
744
00:42:25,916 --> 00:42:42,036
A commercial foundation? It was, it was, it was undescribable. It wasn't jazz, it wasn't blues, it wasn't rock and roll, and it definitely wasn't pop music. So it was something that a grown-up person could listen to. And yet it had a lot of other things, too, that were quite poppy, you, you know,
745
00:42:44,568 --> 00:42:45,802
and it was very exciting.
746
00:43:08,362 --> 00:43:08,471
At
747
00:43:08,472 --> 00:43:11,034
the time, he was known as the greatest guitarist in the world.
748
00:43:11,815 --> 00:43:12,081
You know,
749
00:43:12,081 --> 00:43:12,268
I mean,
750
00:43:12,268 --> 00:43:17,190
this is hyperbole that Eric wanted to live down for a long time,
751
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:17,393
you know,
752
00:43:17,423 --> 00:43:18,893
because it was embarrassing.
753
00:43:19,956 --> 00:43:21,458
But he was certainly up there.
754
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,659
But Eric always identified his sources.
755
00:43:25,882 --> 00:43:27,925
He never hid away from the fact that he didn't say,
756
00:43:27,925 --> 00:43:28,065
well,
757
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:29,268
I invented this stuff.
758
00:43:29,362 --> 00:43:30,885
You know,
759
00:43:30,887 --> 00:43:33,409
he was steeped in a knowledge of the blues.
760
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:35,972
Had done his apprenticeship,
761
00:43:36,628 --> 00:43:37,018
done that.
762
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,347
He's a modest man.
763
00:43:39,251 --> 00:43:41,454
But also an extraordinary musician.
764
00:43:41,715 --> 00:43:43,496
And he's a craftsman.
765
00:43:44,137 --> 00:43:44,394
You know,
766
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:47,942
he's a guy who works this craft,
767
00:43:48,583 --> 00:43:52,347
who studies and works hard and gets better as he gets older.
768
00:43:53,628 --> 00:43:54,809
That's a lesson for all of us.
769
00:44:06,153 --> 00:44:08,494
I'm going to turn it over to you,
770
00:44:08,617 --> 00:44:11,920
and I'm going to ask you to stand around.
771
00:44:12,003 --> 00:44:12,440
Stand around.
772
00:44:12,442 --> 00:44:17,065
I want you to get your hands up.
773
00:44:17,105 --> 00:44:28,472
And I want you to put,
774
00:44:30,043 --> 00:44:41,329
I'm going to take a picture of the time I spent in the lab.
775
00:44:41,331 --> 00:44:52,815
I'm going to start with the first question.
776
00:44:52,846 --> 00:44:55,893
What do you want to do?
777
00:44:58,811 --> 00:44:59,632
And we have to do it,
778
00:44:59,652 --> 00:45:05,458
But what we know is that we may have to get the final results if we do not get the results we want.
779
00:45:05,458 --> 00:45:05,579
So,
780
00:45:05,579 --> 00:45:08,806
we have to know that there are any new results,
781
00:45:09,063 --> 00:45:10,204
and we have to do it.
782
00:45:10,204 --> 00:45:11,103
And we have to do it.
783
00:45:11,204 --> 00:45:11,320
So,
784
00:45:11,322 --> 00:45:12,829
we have to do it.
785
00:45:12,922 --> 00:45:15,742
But what are the things that we need to do?
786
00:45:15,773 --> 00:45:15,884
So,
787
00:45:16,023 --> 00:45:16,461
that's it.
788
00:45:21,697 --> 00:45:27,045
It's a great experience.
789
00:45:27,065 --> 00:45:27,224
So,
790
00:45:28,048 --> 00:45:30,295
that's it.
791
00:45:30,755 --> 00:45:34,920
Thank you.
792
00:45:41,922 --> 00:45:46,925
I suppose we're responsible for a lot of dodgy heavy metal bands.
793
00:45:47,947 --> 00:45:49,112
For that, I apologize.
794
00:45:50,713 --> 00:45:59,572
I think probably we took the pop music into areas that I hadn't been before. And you were able to do things,
795
00:46:00,197 --> 00:46:01,213
to get away with things,
796
00:46:01,275 --> 00:46:02,994
that things crossed over.
797
00:46:03,391 --> 00:46:05,858
But that's a thing that's always happening anyway.
798
00:46:06,262 --> 00:46:10,273
I don't see those years as really any different to now.
799
00:46:11,478 --> 00:46:12,137
With the cream,
800
00:46:12,237 --> 00:46:13,018
you know,
801
00:46:13,257 --> 00:46:13,878
Jack and
802
00:46:14,318 --> 00:46:18,318
Ginger, I knew them as well as I knew Eric,
803
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,041
if not better,
804
00:46:19,157 --> 00:46:19,440
you know,
805
00:46:20,518 --> 00:46:21,260
for a while.
806
00:46:25,782 --> 00:46:26,885
But Eric's a searcher,
807
00:46:27,635 --> 00:46:28,525
that's what I think,
808
00:46:28,697 --> 00:46:30,728
and he doesn't stop searching.
809
00:46:31,338 --> 00:46:36,291
Sometimes it takes him into some morose areas,
810
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:36,619
you know,
811
00:46:36,666 --> 00:46:38,556
which I think they cheer up,
812
00:46:38,557 --> 00:46:38,838
you know.
813
00:46:40,269 --> 00:46:42,291
Bloody millionaire guitar player,
814
00:46:43,434 --> 00:46:44,494
you should be miserable.
815
00:46:47,139 --> 00:46:49,177
I think Ginger had problems with success.
816
00:46:49,739 --> 00:46:52,264
I had problems with success,
817
00:46:52,302 --> 00:46:53,583
but Ginger really had them.
818
00:46:53,623 --> 00:46:53,764
And
819
00:46:54,623 --> 00:46:55,764
Ginger would try to make,
820
00:46:55,903 --> 00:46:58,731
whenever we were about to have this great success,
821
00:46:58,733 --> 00:47:04,231
he would try to make it not happen. So that it wouldn't have happened yet.
822
00:47:05,905 --> 00:47:08,226
But I don't think Eric had any real problems with that.
823
00:47:08,228 --> 00:47:12,025
I'm sure he always knew he was going to be successful,
824
00:47:12,045 --> 00:47:15,045
and I'm sure he was very ambitious for a certain kind of success,
825
00:47:15,068 --> 00:47:16,827
which he has more than achieved.
826
00:47:17,045 --> 00:47:17,170
And,
827
00:47:17,452 --> 00:47:17,686
you know,
828
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:20,045
I don't think he ever had a problem with it.
829
00:47:21,146 --> 00:47:21,882
We had almost,
830
00:47:21,927 --> 00:47:22,115
like,
831
00:47:22,146 --> 00:47:25,349
invented our own language. So that when we were touring around England,
832
00:47:26,038 --> 00:47:27,710
the promoters would come and talk to us,
833
00:47:27,771 --> 00:47:28,427
or someone would,
834
00:47:28,443 --> 00:47:28,724
you know,
835
00:47:29,646 --> 00:47:30,927
ordinary people would come up to us,
836
00:47:31,318 --> 00:47:33,632
and we would compose a barrier,
837
00:47:33,724 --> 00:47:34,552
we would talk in it.
838
00:47:35,773 --> 00:47:38,554
Amongst ourselves, in a way that these guys couldn't understand.
839
00:47:38,556 --> 00:47:38,773
I mean,
840
00:47:38,775 --> 00:47:39,414
it was almost...
841
00:47:39,494 --> 00:47:41,115
I've seen it with the Beatles, too.
842
00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:44,775
I saw that when they were all alive and working together.
843
00:47:45,197 --> 00:47:56,112
They had this same kind of, like a human fortress aspect that was very powerful and very impenetrable and scary and exciting to be around.
844
00:47:57,175 --> 00:47:59,893
What we were doing up until that point was we were doing little...
845
00:48:00,262 --> 00:48:01,704
Short versions of our songs,
846
00:48:01,704 --> 00:48:01,903
you know,
847
00:48:02,143 --> 00:48:02,342
three,
848
00:48:02,403 --> 00:48:02,585
four,
849
00:48:02,643 --> 00:48:03,565
five minute things,
850
00:48:03,726 --> 00:48:04,347
which was nice.
851
00:48:04,347 --> 00:48:06,367
But then everybody was so out of it,
852
00:48:06,487 --> 00:48:06,730
you know,
853
00:48:06,768 --> 00:48:10,030
the film, or we're all lying on the floor, going,
854
00:48:10,054 --> 00:48:10,608
just play.
855
00:48:11,695 --> 00:48:12,210
So we did.
856
00:48:12,257 --> 00:48:13,398
We just sort of did these.
857
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:15,617
And then that became the albatross,
858
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:16,092
as it were,
859
00:48:16,217 --> 00:48:16,452
you know,
860
00:48:16,561 --> 00:48:18,483
which kind of broke the camel's back.
861
00:48:18,514 --> 00:48:19,327
That's a good one.
862
00:48:20,842 --> 00:48:23,108
Because we always had to play these really long solos.
863
00:48:24,561 --> 00:48:27,545
It was kind of like the WHO had to destroy the drum set every night.
864
00:48:27,811 --> 00:48:29,655
We had to play really long solos every night.
865
00:49:19,501 --> 00:49:19,681
Hello,
866
00:49:19,702 --> 00:49:31,063
my name is David.
867
00:49:31,063 --> 00:49:32,445
I'm a teacher at the University of Colorado,
868
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:36,289
and I'm going to teach you how to use the language of the language. In the language of the language of the language.
869
00:49:36,289 --> 00:49:42,539
I'm going to teach you how to use the language of the language in the language of the language.
870
00:49:42,804 --> 00:49:46,429
I'm going to teach you how to use the language of the language in the language of the language.
871
00:49:47,610 --> 00:49:48,150
So,
872
00:49:48,152 --> 00:49:52,733
we have a video of the first time I've ever seen a Black man.
873
00:49:52,733 --> 00:49:53,994
It was a long shot.
874
00:49:54,217 --> 00:49:58,538
I was even worried I was going to die in the next episode.
875
00:49:58,539 --> 00:50:02,123
I was telling myself that I was going to die,
876
00:50:02,125 --> 00:50:04,452
so I went straight into the flash.
877
00:50:04,452 --> 00:50:06,155
I found it.
878
00:50:06,155 --> 00:50:06,311
I was like,
879
00:50:06,311 --> 00:50:08,233
what's happening to this?
880
00:50:08,233 --> 00:50:12,233
I thought it was something I needed to do,
881
00:50:12,233 --> 00:50:12,748
but it was just a very,
882
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:13,233
very long night.
883
00:50:13,342 --> 00:50:15,655
Praying combines psychedelia with power rock.
884
00:50:15,929 --> 00:50:19,072
The mix came together in the best-selling album Disraeli Gears.
885
00:50:19,534 --> 00:50:23,096
It became one of the style icons of the Summer of Love in 67.
886
00:50:23,677 --> 00:50:24,436
As far as I remember,
887
00:50:24,458 --> 00:50:32,786
we were driving to the gig and just talking about the fact that Ginger was a racing cyclist before he became a drummer.
888
00:50:34,286 --> 00:50:35,224
And the roadie said,
889
00:50:35,271 --> 00:50:35,443
oh,
890
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:37,005
when you had that racing bike,
891
00:50:37,007 --> 00:50:38,146
did you have Disraeli Gears?
892
00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:39,130
Something like that.
893
00:50:39,193 --> 00:50:39,458
You know,
894
00:50:39,833 --> 00:50:41,380
instead of derailleur Gears.
895
00:50:43,271 --> 00:50:44,130
That was the album title.
896
00:50:45,402 --> 00:50:53,963
Disraeli Gears remains one of the classic, groundbreaking psychedelic albums of the 60s, and, amazingly, it was recorded in New York City in only three days.
897
00:50:55,322 --> 00:51:09,088
Everything about the album was revealing here. All of these new techniques, these new traditions. It was an absolutely bizarre experience to record and I had no guideline. So caution
898
00:51:09,134 --> 00:51:11,228
to the wind. If they're crazy, I'll be crazier.
899
00:51:37,782 --> 00:51:42,568
Cream were the first true crossover band to enjoy both singles and album successes.
900
00:51:43,048 --> 00:51:48,130
Their combination of virtuoso power playing and a solid blues grounding had never been done before,
901
00:51:48,514 --> 00:51:50,333
and it spawned a thousand imitators.
902
00:51:51,139 --> 00:51:54,583
Eric has done something different with the blues music.
903
00:51:55,193 --> 00:51:55,458
I mean,
904
00:51:55,521 --> 00:51:56,427
when he and
905
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,630
Cream did their version,
906
00:51:59,864 --> 00:52:00,786
their take on blues,
907
00:52:00,849 --> 00:52:00,989
yeah,
908
00:52:01,021 --> 00:52:01,849
they changed it up.
909
00:52:02,443 --> 00:52:05,052
It made it more accessible to a lot of other people.
910
00:52:06,014 --> 00:52:08,655
And it had the rock feel to it,
911
00:52:08,797 --> 00:52:11,458
and it spawned countless bands,
912
00:52:11,561 --> 00:52:12,938
countless guitar players,
913
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,467
brought it to a world of people who had never heard of
914
00:52:16,943 --> 00:52:19,811
Robert Johnson, or Willie Dixon, or Albert King.
915
00:52:20,568 --> 00:52:20,826
And,
916
00:52:21,005 --> 00:52:21,146
yeah,
917
00:52:21,146 --> 00:52:22,646
it was a major boost.
918
00:52:23,208 --> 00:52:24,146
Eric scared everybody,
919
00:52:24,552 --> 00:52:25,989
but that's what you have to do.
920
00:52:26,068 --> 00:52:26,755
You have to do that.
921
00:52:26,757 --> 00:52:28,943
It's kind of like being a gunslinger.
922
00:52:31,358 --> 00:52:31,518
Yeah,
923
00:52:31,557 --> 00:52:32,498
I can play faster,
924
00:52:32,539 --> 00:52:33,400
I can play louder,
925
00:52:33,458 --> 00:52:34,442
I can play more,
926
00:52:34,561 --> 00:52:35,443
I can play less,
927
00:52:35,501 --> 00:52:39,108
I can play more of less and less of more, and bigger and wider and thinner.
928
00:52:40,208 --> 00:52:41,405
So that's what you do.
929
00:52:42,311 --> 00:52:43,326
We just scared everybody,
930
00:52:43,467 --> 00:52:43,927
I'm sure.
931
00:52:45,068 --> 00:52:47,755
The late 60s became the era of the guitar hero,
932
00:52:48,130 --> 00:52:49,536
and Eric was top of the pile.
933
00:52:49,974 --> 00:52:51,583
He became the guy to aim for.
934
00:52:52,021 --> 00:52:53,974
Others tried to play longer and faster,
935
00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:57,458
but it was a competition that Eric did not see in those terms.
936
00:52:57,927 --> 00:52:58,739
It was a throwback.
937
00:52:58,797 --> 00:53:01,878
To the movies of his youth, that gave him a cultural reference point.
938
00:53:07,695 --> 00:53:09,157
It's almost like a samurai thing.
939
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,117
It's very interesting that I was always very interested in samurai movies.
940
00:53:14,297 --> 00:53:19,719
The great ones are the ones who kind of play a defensive role.
941
00:53:20,297 --> 00:53:22,876
The great samurais are the ones that don't go charging in.
942
00:53:23,516 --> 00:53:24,141
They wait,
943
00:53:24,376 --> 00:53:25,469
they wait, and they wait,
944
00:53:25,501 --> 00:53:27,063
and they usually give...
945
00:53:27,942 --> 00:53:29,945
Their opponent, the first shot at it,
946
00:53:29,945 --> 00:53:30,425
You know what I mean?
947
00:53:30,483 --> 00:53:35,351
And it's much the same way. In my knowledge of our culture,
948
00:53:35,369 --> 00:53:36,347
the guitar players,
949
00:53:36,807 --> 00:53:40,355
is that the great ones never appear to go into combat.
950
00:53:40,510 --> 00:53:40,815
You know,
951
00:53:41,112 --> 00:53:41,518
they always,
952
00:53:41,574 --> 00:53:41,753
like,
953
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,565
give up the stage to whoever's coming on,
954
00:53:46,581 --> 00:53:46,893
you know,
955
00:53:47,347 --> 00:53:48,440
and take a back seat. and,
956
00:53:48,442 --> 00:53:49,003
in a way,
957
00:53:49,237 --> 00:53:51,097
win by default.
958
00:53:52,643 --> 00:53:54,284
At the peak of Cream's success,
959
00:53:54,675 --> 00:53:55,487
Eric was saddled.
960
00:53:55,661 --> 00:54:12,690
Not only by the graffiti that labeled him as God, but also by common consent. He was the world's greatest guitarist. It was quite a cross to bear a lot of the things that people rave about. I don't get at all. I mean, like, the live version of Crossroads, which is supposed to be my the
961
00:54:12,722 --> 00:54:24,925
peak of my career, I think is awful. My enjoyment of that experience is in the recollection of the relationship, the events that that took place and the live music.
962
00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:28,952
And a lot of that was on dope,
963
00:54:28,952 --> 00:54:29,134
you know,
964
00:54:29,135 --> 00:54:32,557
and so it may have felt better than it sounded, and probably did.
965
00:54:32,577 --> 00:54:34,858
It was probably awful to listen to,
966
00:54:36,742 --> 00:54:37,905
but was great to play.
967
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:44,045
Three were only together for two and a half years,
968
00:54:44,264 --> 00:54:46,327
but their influence is still around today.
969
00:54:46,952 --> 00:54:48,873
Rather unlike Eric's next project,
970
00:54:51,014 --> 00:54:53,623
Blind Faith made one rather controversial album.
971
00:54:54,181 --> 00:54:59,063
Controversial for its sleeve rather than its content, and then faded from the firmament.
972
00:55:00,101 --> 00:55:01,364
On the group's U.S. tour,
973
00:55:01,844 --> 00:55:07,184
Eric took to traveling on the support Act Delaney and Bonnie's tour bus, rather than with Stevie Winwood,
974
00:55:07,465 --> 00:55:08,965
Ginger Baker and Rick Gretsch.
975
00:55:09,684 --> 00:55:10,465
At the tour end,
976
00:55:10,887 --> 00:55:13,012
everyone knew blind faith were no more.
977
00:55:13,621 --> 00:55:16,512
The result, though, was one of rock's greatest albums.
978
00:55:29,985 --> 00:55:39,764
We'll look back to the evening,
979
00:55:39,927 --> 00:55:40,967
the old days,
980
00:55:41,632 --> 00:55:43,452
how we did once,
981
00:55:43,452 --> 00:55:47,302
the same great, huge boy,
982
00:55:47,365 --> 00:55:47,552
yes.
983
00:55:48,224 --> 00:55:48,427
But now,
984
00:55:48,429 --> 00:55:49,632
instead of going out,
985
00:55:49,693 --> 00:55:50,224
there's no good once,
986
00:55:50,226 --> 00:55:50,507
only very much,
987
00:55:50,507 --> 00:55:51,068
and that's why we go out twice.
988
00:55:51,070 --> 00:55:51,443
As the 60s drew to a close,
989
00:55:51,445 --> 00:55:53,085
Eric Clapton was left without a band.
990
00:55:53,615 --> 00:55:56,427
He created some of the most memorable music of the decade,
991
00:55:56,646 --> 00:55:58,990
like the song Badge he wrote with George Harrison.
992
00:55:59,777 --> 00:56:03,822
Not to mention providing the solo on while my guitar gently weeps off the Beatles'
993
00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:04,423
White Album.
994
00:56:05,282 --> 00:56:07,563
But with Blind Faith and Cream, both in the past,
995
00:56:07,885 --> 00:56:09,947
Eric looked closer to home for inspiration.
996
00:56:10,728 --> 00:56:14,572
His friend George Harrison had written Here comes the sun at the bottom of Eric's garden.
997
00:56:15,431 --> 00:56:19,001
Now, George's wife Patty became Eric's most famous inspiration.
998
00:56:20,094 --> 00:56:22,173
On the 23rd of August in 1970,
999
00:56:22,594 --> 00:56:25,860
Eric flew to Miami with musicians from Delaney and Bonny's band.
1000
00:56:26,469 --> 00:56:28,938
There, he was introduced to another guitar legend.
1001
00:56:29,762 --> 00:56:30,782
With typical modesty,
1002
00:56:31,103 --> 00:56:33,884
Eric became Derek, and a new band was born.
1003
00:56:34,626 --> 00:56:37,891
Derek and the Dominos recorded just one studio album together,
1004
00:56:38,353 --> 00:56:39,369
but it was a great one.
1005
00:56:46,297 --> 00:56:46,735
That night,
1006
00:56:47,485 --> 00:56:49,079
the whole Allman Brothers band and
1007
00:56:49,657 --> 00:56:54,126
Derek and the Dominos went back to the studio. And here are Eric and Dwayne playing licks.
1008
00:56:55,126 --> 00:56:55,360
I mean,
1009
00:56:55,422 --> 00:56:56,704
here are two strangers.
1010
00:56:57,454 --> 00:57:16,056
That are not strangers, it's like they've been lifelong friends, feeding each other, and that was the beginning of Layla. Well, we've been working and living together for about a year as the dominoes back in, back in England, here in England, living down in the country and touring and doing clubs. And we were writing as we went along, but it hadn't really, um,
1011
00:57:17,512 --> 00:57:21,135
we hadn't really put together a concept for this thing at all.
1012
00:57:21,295 --> 00:57:22,197
It was going to be one,
1013
00:57:23,056 --> 00:57:23,998
perhaps one album.
1014
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,103
But then when Dwayne came into the mix,
1015
00:57:27,541 --> 00:57:31,548
it was just a question of. Like, opening every door we could and going in every room,
1016
00:57:32,065 --> 00:57:37,072
trying every piece of material that I could think of from my past and his past.
1017
00:57:38,588 --> 00:57:39,697
And then it was a double album.
1018
00:57:42,228 --> 00:57:43,072
But I think the group,
1019
00:57:43,369 --> 00:57:45,994
the Dominoes were already pretty well.
1020
00:57:46,643 --> 00:57:46,885
I mean,
1021
00:57:46,925 --> 00:57:47,324
we'd done,
1022
00:57:47,625 --> 00:57:47,985
we'd been,
1023
00:57:48,806 --> 00:57:50,869
I'd known them and played with them as Delaney and Bonnie,
1024
00:57:51,010 --> 00:57:51,311
and then,
1025
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:51,630
you know,
1026
00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:53,630
when Delaney had left and everything,
1027
00:57:53,632 --> 00:57:53,951
it was,
1028
00:57:56,693 --> 00:57:58,076
we knew one another pretty well.
1029
00:57:58,755 --> 00:58:02,920
The combination of Dwayne Allman and Eric Clapton produced a guitar classic.
1030
00:58:03,889 --> 00:58:04,561
The a minor,
1031
00:58:04,655 --> 00:58:05,842
da-da-da-dee-doo-doo-doo,
1032
00:58:06,264 --> 00:58:08,030
off the e to the G to the A.
1033
00:58:08,186 --> 00:58:12,436
I think it was played as a lick inside one of the portions,
1034
00:58:12,670 --> 00:58:13,655
and all of a sudden they said,
1035
00:58:15,092 --> 00:58:15,811
put that up front.
1036
00:58:16,391 --> 00:58:17,753
Well,
1037
00:58:17,755 --> 00:58:18,333
to begin with,
1038
00:58:18,355 --> 00:58:19,476
it didn't do very well.
1039
00:58:19,855 --> 00:58:26,445
It was actually quite a long time before it became a popular record.
1040
00:58:26,460 --> 00:58:28,648
I think it was out for a long time before it took off,
1041
00:58:29,867 --> 00:58:31,327
because I think it was anonymous,
1042
00:58:31,405 --> 00:58:31,726
you know,
1043
00:58:31,789 --> 00:58:33,929
and then people didn't really know anything about it.
1044
00:58:34,429 --> 00:58:34,992
And we didn't do,
1045
00:58:35,085 --> 00:58:35,335
I mean...
1046
00:58:35,943 --> 00:58:36,804
I didn't promote it,
1047
00:58:36,925 --> 00:58:37,206
you know.
1048
00:58:37,965 --> 00:58:38,945
I've never really wanted,
1049
00:58:39,226 --> 00:58:46,472
I mean, that was a classic example of my philosophy about record promotion is not call it somebody else and don't do anything.
1050
00:58:47,597 --> 00:58:49,699
Because then, if it's good, it will sell on its own merit.
1051
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:16,315
I think the greatest thing now that
1052
00:59:16,737 --> 00:59:20,722
I'm recognized from it is that how lucky I was to be around those kind of musicians,
1053
00:59:22,706 --> 00:59:23,987
especially like Jim Gordon,
1054
00:59:24,081 --> 00:59:24,722
Carl Radel.
1055
00:59:25,034 --> 00:59:25,300
I mean,
1056
00:59:25,456 --> 00:59:26,003
every one of them,
1057
00:59:26,018 --> 00:59:26,628
Bobby Whitlock,
1058
00:59:27,237 --> 00:59:27,893
Dwayne Ormuth.
1059
00:59:28,518 --> 00:59:28,737
I mean,
1060
00:59:28,784 --> 00:59:30,097
that was an incredible.
1061
00:59:32,143 --> 00:59:33,284
If I'm proud of anything,
1062
00:59:33,315 --> 00:59:35,737
I'm proud of the fact that I was enough.
1063
01:00:05,512 --> 01:00:09,474
The album, Layla, is rumoured to have been recorded in a narcotic haze.
1064
01:00:10,077 --> 01:00:16,744
The next part of Eric's life wavered dramatically between serious bouts of superstardom and complete seclusion.
1065
01:00:17,704 --> 01:00:18,784
For nearly two years,
1066
01:00:18,963 --> 01:00:20,947
Eric was in a drug-induced hinterland.
1067
01:00:21,369 --> 01:00:23,572
Retiring at first to his house near Uhurst,
1068
01:00:23,931 --> 01:00:26,791
he even spent the summer as a farm labourer in Wales,
1069
01:00:27,166 --> 01:00:30,119
as he grappled with his much-publicised personal problems.
1070
01:00:30,791 --> 01:00:32,041
The death of Jimi Hendrix,
1071
01:00:32,713 --> 01:00:33,806
Eric's grandfather,
1072
01:00:34,213 --> 01:00:34,853
Dwayne Allman.
1073
01:00:35,215 --> 01:00:36,597
And others near and dear to him,
1074
01:00:36,998 --> 01:00:38,760
coupled with his torment over Patty,
1075
01:00:39,298 --> 01:00:40,483
fueled his addiction.
1076
01:00:44,088 --> 01:00:46,306
Drugs caused in me like a kind of stupor,
1077
01:00:46,525 --> 01:00:46,768
which,
1078
01:00:47,947 --> 01:00:48,393
especially,
1079
01:00:48,407 --> 01:00:48,666
you know,
1080
01:00:48,971 --> 01:00:49,829
the major drugs,
1081
01:00:50,369 --> 01:00:51,704
turned me into like a zombie.
1082
01:00:52,346 --> 01:00:55,862
And I couldn't do much harm to myself, just sitting in front of the TV on a
1083
01:00:56,376 --> 01:00:57,815
24-hour basis.
1084
01:00:58,721 --> 01:01:00,673
I hadn't ever done it intravenously,
1085
01:01:01,501 --> 01:01:02,282
so there was not...
1086
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,003
The great danger of overdosing that you get with a needle,
1087
01:01:06,103 --> 01:01:06,965
for instance.
1088
01:01:08,003 --> 01:01:09,965
But alcohol had me.
1089
01:01:10,027 --> 01:01:12,347
I was driving drunk a lot of the time,
1090
01:01:12,409 --> 01:01:22,597
and I was doing things drunk aggressively with other human beings. That took me into a lot of life-threatening situations, which I didn't need to do.
1091
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:23,597
And so for me,
1092
01:01:25,597 --> 01:01:29,690
alcohol was and is far more threatening.
1093
01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:31,643
I used to...
1094
01:01:32,411 --> 01:01:33,753
Handle all kinds of stuff for him.
1095
01:01:34,393 --> 01:01:34,592
Well,
1096
01:01:34,675 --> 01:01:37,679
I would always have to have a packet of cigarettes in my pocket,
1097
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,280
a small pair of nail clippers,
1098
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,523
a bottle of Covocier,
1099
01:01:45,585 --> 01:01:45,945
bottle of
1100
01:01:46,342 --> 01:01:47,202
7up or Sprite,
1101
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:49,702
a glass or two.
1102
01:01:51,186 --> 01:02:00,264
I had a little box which I used to carry, which had all that in with the initials WBA on it for West Bromwich Albion.
1103
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:02,420
Eric was a big fan.
1104
01:02:03,242 --> 01:02:04,304
Brandy.
1105
01:02:04,326 --> 01:02:04,445
Yeah,
1106
01:02:05,626 --> 01:02:05,965
Brandy.
1107
01:02:05,967 --> 01:02:07,251
It's always large Brandy.
1108
01:02:07,431 --> 01:02:08,371
Large brandy lemonade.
1109
01:02:08,373 --> 01:02:10,012
Didn't drink anything else.
1110
01:02:10,014 --> 01:02:10,434
Odd beer,
1111
01:02:10,474 --> 01:02:11,114
but that was it.
1112
01:02:11,293 --> 01:02:11,856
Large Brandy.
1113
01:02:12,739 --> 01:02:15,059
And he was getting to three bottles a day.
1114
01:02:15,083 --> 01:02:16,528
And we knew that.
1115
01:02:17,215 --> 01:02:21,282
My main responsibility was to ensure that Eric got on stage sober.
1116
01:02:21,577 --> 01:02:27,023
My evaluation of my achievements was very different to everybody else's.
1117
01:02:27,726 --> 01:02:31,851
I felt that I hadn't done anything of any great value.
1118
01:02:32,235 --> 01:02:32,875
And yet it was,
1119
01:02:33,077 --> 01:02:34,032
and that people out there,
1120
01:02:34,047 --> 01:02:35,891
especially around that stuff with Green,
1121
01:02:36,875 --> 01:02:38,485
were saying all kinds of things.
1122
01:02:39,110 --> 01:02:39,563
And I thought,
1123
01:02:39,594 --> 01:02:39,782
well,
1124
01:02:40,485 --> 01:02:41,485
they've missed the point.
1125
01:02:41,813 --> 01:02:43,438
And especially on top of that,
1126
01:02:43,516 --> 01:02:43,782
you know,
1127
01:02:43,827 --> 01:02:46,391
being told that I was this sort of legend.
1128
01:02:46,824 --> 01:02:49,467
And I had no way of carrying that.
1129
01:02:49,626 --> 01:02:51,150
I had no means.
1130
01:02:52,610 --> 01:02:54,592
I think Eric's always searching for himself,
1131
01:02:55,650 --> 01:02:58,119
which I think is a great thing.
1132
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,853
Hence the changes in persona and look.
1133
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,088
And there's kind of an outward sign,
1134
01:03:07,806 --> 01:03:08,806
or something that's still,
1135
01:03:09,103 --> 01:03:09,728
you know,
1136
01:03:09,806 --> 01:03:10,728
but see,
1137
01:03:10,806 --> 01:03:12,322
that's what the whole thing is about,
1138
01:03:12,463 --> 01:03:12,947
searching.
1139
01:03:53,472 --> 01:03:59,478
And we are the first Black people to have a second child.
1140
01:03:59,498 --> 01:04:01,478
One of the first Black people to have a second child.
1141
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:09,525
We need to respect the rules of the world.
1142
01:04:09,527 --> 01:04:18,072
We are the first Black people to have a second child.
1143
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:20,791
We are the first Black people to have a second child.
1144
01:04:24,512 --> 01:04:24,753
Hi,
1145
01:04:24,813 --> 01:04:32,164
my name is,
1146
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:37,483
I'm a student at the
1147
01:04:40,726 --> 01:04:46,210
University of Minnesota and
1148
01:05:25,708 --> 01:05:28,568
welcome to the Best Friends Family Awesome Game Podcast.
1149
01:05:28,608 --> 01:05:29,789
We're with our YouTube channel,
1150
01:05:29,791 --> 01:05:43,978
and we're going to talk about,
1151
01:05:57,016 --> 01:05:57,157
Hey,
1152
01:05:57,157 --> 01:05:57,317
buddy.
1153
01:05:57,318 --> 01:05:58,599
I'm here to do a project for your new blog on the age of 45.
1154
01:05:58,599 --> 01:05:58,637
Oh,
1155
01:05:58,639 --> 01:05:58,838
yeah.
1156
01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:58,918
It's...
1157
01:05:58,920 --> 01:05:58,998
Oh,
1158
01:05:59,000 --> 01:05:59,099
yeah.
1159
01:05:59,099 --> 01:05:59,277
Alright.
1160
01:05:59,278 --> 01:05:59,398
I see.
1161
01:05:59,400 --> 01:05:59,498
So,
1162
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:09,688
what are you going to do with this project?
1163
01:06:09,688 --> 01:06:10,853
I'm going to do this in my first,
1164
01:06:10,853 --> 01:06:11,867
and I'll leave it there.
1165
01:06:11,869 --> 01:06:11,907
So,
1166
01:06:11,907 --> 01:06:12,969
if you're interested in learning the game,
1167
01:06:12,971 --> 01:06:13,610
go into the link in the end,
1168
01:06:13,672 --> 01:06:14,219
and go into the blog.
1169
01:06:14,221 --> 01:06:14,797
I'm still not sure how to do it.
1170
01:06:14,798 --> 01:06:14,876
Oh,
1171
01:06:14,876 --> 01:06:15,001
okay.
1172
01:06:15,016 --> 01:06:15,141
So,
1173
01:06:15,188 --> 01:06:18,954
thank you very much.
1174
01:06:18,954 --> 01:06:20,016
And I'm going to leave it in the end,
1175
01:06:20,018 --> 01:06:20,766
and I'll leave it in the end,
1176
01:06:20,768 --> 01:06:21,563
And I'll leave it in the end,
1177
01:06:21,579 --> 01:06:22,563
and I'll leave it in the end,
1178
01:06:22,563 --> 01:06:22,782
thank you.
1179
01:06:33,699 --> 01:06:35,664
In 1973,
1180
01:06:35,664 --> 01:06:38,445
the WHO's Pete Townsend hauled Eric out of semi-retirement.
1181
01:06:39,108 --> 01:06:39,827
The following year,
1182
01:06:39,867 --> 01:06:41,764
he was back in Miami with Tom Dowd,
1183
01:06:42,148 --> 01:06:46,452
recording the album that would mark the transition to global solo recording star.
1184
01:06:47,780 --> 01:06:50,250
The album was named after the place where he stayed,
1185
01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:52,625
461 Ocean Boulevard.
1186
01:06:56,092 --> 01:06:56,672
I suppose,
1187
01:06:56,771 --> 01:06:59,132
forced to consider myself as a solo artist.
1188
01:06:59,173 --> 01:07:04,195
And it had been something that was probably waiting to occur.
1189
01:07:05,195 --> 01:07:12,257
It was either I was going to have to really consciously make up my mind. That I was going to be in a band as just a sideman for somebody,
1190
01:07:12,851 --> 01:07:14,742
or I was going to take the bull by the horns and be
1191
01:07:15,242 --> 01:07:15,882
Eric Clapton.
1192
01:07:16,739 --> 01:07:38,259
The solo artist? And it's like three years before I came back to do 461 Ocean Boulevard. And and the net result was that there was a great deal of, um, a great deal of kind of subconscious meditation went on during that. And the album itself from that came from that, 461 was very powerful as a result. In
1193
01:07:38,260 --> 01:07:46,023
the band that played the tracks from that album On the Road was Marcy Levy. He just blew me away, he was so passionate.
1194
01:07:47,208 --> 01:07:48,909
The thing about Eric that was always great is,
1195
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:51,932
whereas there were all these people playing 10 million notes showing off,
1196
01:07:52,675 --> 01:07:55,077
Eric would play this one note. And it would just make you want to cry,
1197
01:07:55,452 --> 01:07:56,476
just bring it to your knees.
1198
01:07:56,898 --> 01:07:58,280
And that happened every night.
1199
01:07:59,179 --> 01:08:00,764
And it wasn't always the same every night.
1200
01:08:01,125 --> 01:08:02,719
It was something different.
1201
01:08:03,077 --> 01:08:06,061
It was just amazing how he could do that.
1202
01:08:07,922 --> 01:08:09,108
Even though the 70s and
1203
01:08:09,452 --> 01:08:11,233
80s were decades fueled by booze,
1204
01:08:11,594 --> 01:08:14,358
it was a problem that Eric's fans were largely unaware of.
1205
01:08:14,876 --> 01:08:15,255
In fact,
1206
01:08:15,257 --> 01:08:16,757
the legend of Clapton grew,
1207
01:08:17,118 --> 01:08:18,199
now he was a frontman,
1208
01:08:18,559 --> 01:08:20,681
as well as a unique instrumental talent.
1209
01:08:22,744 --> 01:08:24,643
The other thing about Eric that I've always said,
1210
01:08:24,644 --> 01:08:26,048
he's one of my favorite singers.
1211
01:08:26,564 --> 01:08:26,869
To me,
1212
01:08:26,948 --> 01:08:29,048
he's kind of like a white Ray Charles,
1213
01:08:29,050 --> 01:08:29,189
in a way.
1214
01:08:29,190 --> 01:08:32,337
But in 1991,
1215
01:08:32,667 --> 01:08:34,994
his grief and suffering became horribly public.
1216
01:08:35,917 --> 01:08:36,979
His six-year-old son,
1217
01:08:37,150 --> 01:08:37,525
Connor,
1218
01:08:37,775 --> 01:08:40,025
fell to his death from his New York apartment,
1219
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,119
as Eric was making his way across town for a visit.
1220
01:09:12,471 --> 01:09:12,814
Eric's
1221
01:09:12,894 --> 01:09:16,408
grief became the centerpiece for the outpouring that was tears in Heaven.
1222
01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:22,141
It brought a whole new generation of fans to the man, who is now grappling with all his demons.
1223
01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:24,360
His personification of,
1224
01:09:24,841 --> 01:09:26,920
you've got to have the blues to play the blues,
1225
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:28,341
took on a new meaning.
1226
01:09:29,020 --> 01:09:29,881
And the stripped down,
1227
01:09:30,045 --> 01:09:32,920
honest and pure approach Eric now took to his life,
1228
01:09:33,287 --> 01:09:33,943
and his music,
1229
01:09:34,426 --> 01:09:36,224
was totally in tune with his audience.
1230
01:09:37,020 --> 01:09:37,739
And once again,
1231
01:09:38,083 --> 01:09:40,801
he became one of the world's most successful performers.
1232
01:09:42,568 --> 01:09:45,412
This all adds up to what we have as our eclat,
1233
01:09:45,506 --> 01:09:45,849
you know.
1234
01:09:47,347 --> 01:09:53,354
His entire life is his work, and it comes through his work, and he's had some terrible tragedies in his life.
1235
01:09:55,717 --> 01:10:05,881
But it's been fortunate to have a mode of expression like music, where that can be processed and healed again.
1236
01:10:06,644 --> 01:10:11,243
I think time has probably been the most important thing for Eric.
1237
01:10:11,326 --> 01:10:11,524
Like,
1238
01:10:11,604 --> 01:10:14,764
time is for anybody who's a musician.
1239
01:10:15,568 --> 01:10:16,427
Time teaches you,
1240
01:10:16,889 --> 01:10:17,122
you know,
1241
01:10:17,208 --> 01:10:18,122
more about life.
1242
01:10:18,966 --> 01:10:21,747
You go through all kinds of different situations.
1243
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:25,662
And only through the experience of life does one,
1244
01:10:25,662 --> 01:10:26,412
you know,
1245
01:10:26,489 --> 01:10:28,287
learn from those situations.
1246
01:10:30,475 --> 01:10:31,833
It's what he's gone through personally.
1247
01:10:32,315 --> 01:10:33,997
That's gotten him to where he is.
1248
01:10:34,057 --> 01:10:40,224
And because he's willing to express that through his music and be vulnerable and put himself out there,
1249
01:10:41,645 --> 01:10:42,685
that's why he is there,
1250
01:10:42,724 --> 01:10:44,707
because he's experienced it and he shares it.
1251
01:10:55,872 --> 01:11:00,622
Tears in Heaven and the unplugged Session were a huge commercial and artistic success.
1252
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:03,622
Eric walked away with a record haul of Grammys.
1253
01:11:05,144 --> 01:11:07,747
After his initial soundtrack work with Michael Kamen,
1254
01:11:08,185 --> 01:11:10,693
Clapton now became Hollywood's favorite composer,
1255
01:11:11,029 --> 01:11:12,747
his soundtracks Adorning Phenomenon,
1256
01:11:12,989 --> 01:11:13,631
Lethal Weapon,
1257
01:11:13,974 --> 01:11:14,849
and The Color of Money.
1258
01:11:34,908 --> 01:11:45,194
Star
1259
01:11:45,529 --> 01:11:50,390
She's my mother and
1260
01:11:51,765 --> 01:11:53,092
I love
1261
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:07,009
if I can reach the stars,
1262
01:12:08,649 --> 01:12:16,384
no wonder I'm shining on the stars.
1263
01:12:18,488 --> 01:12:20,952
So you could see the tree,
1264
01:12:23,613 --> 01:12:30,762
and there's a love I haven't seen,
1265
01:12:33,426 --> 01:12:36,926
but for now, I'll find you.
1266
01:12:39,381 --> 01:13:00,466
It's only in my dreams and I can change
1267
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:05,966
the world.
1268
01:13:11,923 --> 01:13:13,301
I hate to say it,
1269
01:13:13,326 --> 01:13:17,006
I hate to say it,
1270
01:13:17,048 --> 01:13:28,051
but it's probably me.
1271
01:13:56,529 --> 01:13:57,850
And to see how they jump.
1272
01:13:58,551 --> 01:14:00,212
That's the legacy.
1273
01:14:00,435 --> 01:14:02,134
He's not pretending he's 17,
1274
01:14:02,172 --> 01:14:06,699
he's not tying himself into latex trousers or wearing a wig or a corset,
1275
01:14:07,317 --> 01:14:08,099
he is himself.
1276
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:08,863
I think
1277
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:10,145
Eric's style,
1278
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:10,466
to me,
1279
01:14:12,238 --> 01:14:14,520
I like the fact that he plays really clean,
1280
01:14:15,613 --> 01:14:17,613
really simple,
1281
01:14:21,286 --> 01:14:22,051
uncluttered.
1282
01:14:24,725 --> 01:14:27,167
It's like having a conversation with somebody.
1283
01:14:27,368 --> 01:14:30,649
If you listen to a solo in Eric's style,
1284
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:38,622
it's what I like about guitar players who have meaning with what comes out of what they play.
1285
01:14:39,622 --> 01:14:40,926
There's a story behind it.
1286
01:14:41,536 --> 01:14:48,505
It's not just a bunch of notes garbled together as a show-off kind of thing, or any kind of antic or anything like that.
1287
01:14:49,676 --> 01:14:50,395
It's musical,
1288
01:14:51,145 --> 01:14:51,832
very melodic.
1289
01:14:52,712 --> 01:15:09,819
And it speaks to you. Ask yourself, who watched for me? My only friend? Could it be? Is hard to say it, I
1290
01:15:09,881 --> 01:15:13,162
hate to say it. It's probably,
1291
01:15:18,340 --> 01:15:18,500
Well,
1292
01:15:18,539 --> 01:15:19,680
I think it's without equal.
1293
01:15:22,319 --> 01:15:24,542
Any time he plays anything,
1294
01:15:24,601 --> 01:15:27,722
regardless of whether it's a blues piece or a pop piece, or whatever,
1295
01:15:28,659 --> 01:15:32,823
he's got his own unmistakable stamp on it.
1296
01:15:35,465 --> 01:15:39,698
And I've always followed everything he does with great interest and enjoyment.
1297
01:15:40,027 --> 01:15:44,667
Eric's a classic electric blues guitar player based on the styles of
1298
01:15:45,698 --> 01:15:46,309
Buddy Guy.
1299
01:15:47,148 --> 01:16:03,130
Freddie King and people like that, that's where it all comes from. And of course, going back their styles and that kind of music goes back to country, blues, too. And Eric, of course, is very keen on that, well, that whole side of things. Ask
1300
01:16:03,208 --> 01:16:14,537
yourself, who'd watch for me a solitary voice to speak out and set me free? I hate to say it,
1301
01:16:15,804 --> 01:16:17,005
I hate to say,
1302
01:16:18,286 --> 01:16:19,467
but it's probably me.
1303
01:16:23,851 --> 01:16:27,578
I think what's cool about Eric is I don't think that he knows how good he is.
1304
01:16:28,914 --> 01:16:29,720
And that's cool.
1305
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:36,407
I don't think any player should have this idea that they're above leagues,
1306
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:37,220
above anybody.
1307
01:16:37,265 --> 01:16:39,813
And there should be some humility behind it.
1308
01:16:40,313 --> 01:16:41,188
And he has that.
1309
01:16:44,304 --> 01:16:44,925
When you play,
1310
01:16:44,944 --> 01:16:46,145
you just play for the song.
1311
01:16:46,465 --> 01:16:46,685
I mean,
1312
01:16:46,707 --> 01:16:49,368
it's great to stand up on stage with Eric,
1313
01:16:50,949 --> 01:16:52,511
and he's going to play the song.
1314
01:16:53,551 --> 01:16:54,957
He's not going to do anything else.
1315
01:16:55,278 --> 01:16:56,153
He's going to play the song.
1316
01:16:56,653 --> 01:16:59,801
When he comes in to sit in with us or anybody else,
1317
01:17:00,434 --> 01:17:02,167
he comes up to play the song,
1318
01:17:03,105 --> 01:17:03,809
and that's great.
1319
01:17:04,403 --> 01:17:06,340
It makes the band look good,
1320
01:17:06,341 --> 01:17:07,449
it makes himself look good,
1321
01:17:07,559 --> 01:17:08,792
the whole thing sounds good.
1322
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,965
It's crazy.
1323
01:17:12,966 --> 01:17:13,653
It makes no sense.
1324
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,498
It's only one voice that comes
1325
01:17:19,682 --> 01:17:20,123
to your defense,
1326
01:17:20,125 --> 01:17:21,305
and lose your result.
1327
01:17:22,466 --> 01:17:24,149
When your eyes search the room,
1328
01:17:24,688 --> 01:17:26,891
one thing to face is all you need to see
1329
01:17:30,595 --> 01:17:31,555
if that's one guy,
1330
01:17:33,070 --> 01:17:38,337
just one guy. The 90s were also to be the decade when Eric cleaned up his private life.
1331
01:17:38,884 --> 01:17:40,884
He stopped the intake of drugs and drink,
1332
01:17:41,164 --> 01:17:42,320
and set up Crossroads,
1333
01:17:42,476 --> 01:17:43,634
a clinic in Antigua.
1334
01:17:43,956 --> 01:17:47,055
To help both local and international casualties of addiction.
1335
01:17:47,735 --> 01:17:50,516
He sold his beloved guitars to fund the center.
1336
01:17:53,755 --> 01:17:57,856
It was painful drawing up the list more than anything, because deciding what,
1337
01:17:57,858 --> 01:18:02,787
because I kept quite a lot and looking at what I had was a shock.
1338
01:18:02,801 --> 01:18:03,568
I had no idea.
1339
01:18:04,301 --> 01:18:10,255
I felt quite guilty that I'd amassed that many guitars. And so part of it was like a very,
1340
01:18:10,318 --> 01:18:13,082
very good purging experience that I really thought it was.
1341
01:18:14,243 --> 01:18:33,806
Um, it was very kind of greedy to have all of them needed to move them, you know? But then, you know, each time I looked, ticked on them and then they thought, Well, you've got. One thing I know about this is this is like, I have a responsibility to share. I
1342
01:18:33,823 --> 01:18:42,587
will probably slip back into my old ways because I've, as I share this. As a human being, I get to, I get to recognize. Um,
1343
01:18:43,761 --> 01:18:45,042
what a great gift I have.
1344
01:18:45,622 --> 01:18:47,784
Every day is like a bonus,
1345
01:18:47,905 --> 01:18:48,163
really.
1346
01:18:48,344 --> 01:18:49,746
I'd have no right to be here,
1347
01:18:50,225 --> 01:18:54,207
considering the amount of situations that I put myself in.
1348
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:55,471
I should be really in the ground.
1349
01:18:55,676 --> 01:18:57,051
But I've set a date,
1350
01:18:57,457 --> 01:19:00,613
which will be at the end of 2002,
1351
01:19:00,690 --> 01:19:01,784
when I will not work.
1352
01:19:03,503 --> 01:19:07,801
I've reached an age where that could be a call to retirement.
1353
01:19:07,846 --> 01:19:08,801
I don't think it will be.
1354
01:19:09,876 --> 01:19:12,359
But it is that thing I'm talking about.
1355
01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:15,159
We're actually having the guts to say,
1356
01:19:15,780 --> 01:19:15,902
no,
1357
01:19:15,979 --> 01:19:19,784
we won't do anything now for maybe a year or a couple of years.
1358
01:19:20,346 --> 01:19:22,667
And then see what happens on the other side of that.
1359
01:19:24,871 --> 01:19:27,627
It seems like Eric has now gone full circle in a way.
1360
01:19:28,315 --> 01:19:29,613
He's a teacher nowadays,
1361
01:19:29,894 --> 01:19:30,596
a counsellor.
1362
01:19:31,082 --> 01:19:33,565
He helps other people to deal with their addictions.
1363
01:19:34,175 --> 01:19:36,269
It shows that he's travelled far in his life.
1364
01:19:36,644 --> 01:19:38,488
But one thing has remained constant.
1365
01:19:38,988 --> 01:19:39,519
His music.
1366
01:19:40,060 --> 01:19:41,801
And his dedication to the blues.
1367
01:19:45,846 --> 01:19:46,104
Well,
1368
01:19:46,167 --> 01:19:50,967
I know he was a genius when I heard him in
1369
01:19:51,311 --> 01:19:52,373
John Bell Blues Band.
1370
01:19:53,029 --> 01:19:54,537
He's a dedicated blues man.
1371
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,085
I don't know him to play anything else but the blues.
1372
01:19:59,896 --> 01:20:00,521
When he played rock,
1373
01:20:00,523 --> 01:20:01,365
it was the rock blues.
1374
01:20:03,475 --> 01:20:04,115
He can do it all,
1375
01:20:04,162 --> 01:20:05,100
but it's all the blues.
1376
01:20:06,990 --> 01:20:07,740
And he loved it.
1377
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,364
I think he has dedicated himself to what he loves.
1378
01:20:12,365 --> 01:20:14,907
He has dedicated his whole life to his music.
1379
01:20:15,024 --> 01:20:16,289
And when you do that,
1380
01:20:17,509 --> 01:20:19,634
you'll be the best that you can.
1381
01:20:19,712 --> 01:20:21,814
And he is the best that you can get.
1382
01:20:24,118 --> 01:20:26,064
It's not a life of milk and honey,
1383
01:20:26,172 --> 01:20:26,797
this stuff.
1384
01:20:26,798 --> 01:20:27,282
You know what I mean?
1385
01:20:28,141 --> 01:20:29,032
On the surface,
1386
01:20:29,657 --> 01:20:30,516
from outside,
1387
01:20:30,564 --> 01:20:32,376
I can understand everybody.
1388
01:20:32,422 --> 01:20:32,782
You know,
1389
01:20:32,876 --> 01:20:33,782
you're a millionaire,
1390
01:20:33,939 --> 01:20:34,672
rock star.
1391
01:20:34,766 --> 01:20:35,141
But,
1392
01:20:35,220 --> 01:20:35,360
uh,
1393
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,166
But the fact is that Eric's still got to get to the crossroads.
1394
01:20:43,364 --> 01:20:43,947
So do I.
1395
01:20:45,466 --> 01:20:46,666
Because there's not just one.
1396
01:20:47,228 --> 01:20:48,610
There are several crossroads.
1397
01:20:50,391 --> 01:20:51,735
And if you think there's just one,
1398
01:20:51,891 --> 01:20:52,095
well,
1399
01:20:52,291 --> 01:20:52,978
look out now.
1400
01:21:22,744 --> 01:21:22,925
It's
1401
01:21:23,064 --> 01:21:27,306
late in the evening,
1402
01:21:29,354 --> 01:21:33,088
she's wondering what goes to bed.
1403
01:21:36,055 --> 01:21:45,005
She'll put on her makeup and brushes a long,
1404
01:21:45,426 --> 01:21:49,091
long hair.
1405
01:21:49,091 --> 01:21:49,887
Eric's just the best.
1406
01:21:50,731 --> 01:21:51,372
No question.
1407
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:52,693
I was very,
1408
01:21:52,755 --> 01:21:57,582
very fortunate to have played with him and to have been influenced by him.
1409
01:21:58,224 --> 01:21:59,332
He's also a great teacher,
1410
01:21:59,412 --> 01:22:01,599
which people probably don't mention.
1411
01:22:02,764 --> 01:22:09,731
He taught me a lot of things about myself and about music that I will never forget.
1412
01:22:11,193 --> 01:22:12,731
I'm so thankful for that.
1413
01:22:13,756 --> 01:22:13,912
Well,
1414
01:22:13,912 --> 01:22:16,497
he's one of these people who immediately picks up.
1415
01:22:16,539 --> 01:22:17,020
The guitar,
1416
01:22:17,020 --> 01:22:18,161
it plays the first note,
1417
01:22:18,202 --> 01:22:19,021
and there's that very,
1418
01:22:19,082 --> 01:22:20,262
very clear signature.
1419
01:22:20,863 --> 01:22:21,145
You know,
1420
01:22:21,243 --> 01:22:23,207
it's like hearing
1421
01:22:25,305 --> 01:22:26,609
Stevie Wonder play the harmonica,
1422
01:22:26,610 --> 01:22:28,570
or Stevie Wonder play the
1423
01:22:29,032 --> 01:22:29,734
hammond organ.
1424
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:31,953
It's immediately recognizable.
1425
01:22:32,195 --> 01:22:33,134
It just comes through.
1426
01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:33,289
Oh,
1427
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:33,837
that's Eric.
1428
01:22:33,884 --> 01:22:35,164
That's Stevie.
1429
01:22:36,493 --> 01:22:39,009
And so you're playing with a legend.
1430
01:22:40,195 --> 01:22:41,476
You're playing with a real human being,
1431
01:22:41,478 --> 01:22:42,945
but also you're playing with a legend.
1432
01:22:42,962 --> 01:22:45,149
And I'm never blasé about that.
1433
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,688
I don't know the feeling I get when
1434
01:23:22,461 --> 01:23:27,351
I miss you.
1435
01:23:27,353 --> 01:23:28,813
We got heartaches every day.
1436
01:23:28,814 --> 01:23:30,757
You don't know me.
1437
01:23:33,461 --> 01:23:35,569
He's one of the best blues guitarists that there is,
1438
01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:37,586
I think.
1439
01:23:38,336 --> 01:23:41,961
One of the reasons I love standing on stage with him is to enjoy going down there.
1440
01:23:42,768 --> 01:23:43,568
You're getting up and playing.
1441
01:23:43,708 --> 01:23:47,988
Apart from the fact that there was just no pressure. Because you're on the side and you're just playing,
1442
01:23:48,167 --> 01:23:49,307
it's just to listen to the song,
1443
01:23:49,371 --> 01:23:50,210
listen to his voice.
1444
01:23:50,588 --> 01:23:53,850
It always seemed to me to have that soul,
1445
01:23:54,069 --> 01:23:54,554
you know,
1446
01:23:54,890 --> 01:23:56,773
a soul about not just about his playing,
1447
01:23:56,774 --> 01:23:57,875
but his singing, too,
1448
01:23:58,569 --> 01:23:59,631
which people tend to forget.
1449
01:24:00,350 --> 01:24:01,413
He's a really good singer.
1450
01:24:01,414 --> 01:24:08,350
I've been such a jamming brother.
1451
01:24:11,837 --> 01:24:16,782
I'm not a terrorist.
1452
01:24:16,783 --> 01:24:17,605
I'm not a terrorist.
1453
01:24:19,286 --> 01:24:20,270
I'm not a terrorist.
1454
01:24:20,286 --> 01:24:22,886
I'm not a terrorist.
1455
01:24:22,887 --> 01:24:23,386
I'm not a terrorist.
1456
01:24:23,426 --> 01:24:25,192
I'm not a terrorist.
1457
01:24:25,215 --> 01:24:27,636
I'm not a terrorist.
1458
01:24:27,637 --> 01:24:28,230
I'm not a terrorist.
1459
01:24:28,231 --> 01:24:29,199
I'm not a terrorist.
1460
01:24:29,261 --> 01:24:30,230
I'm not a terrorist.
1461
01:24:30,231 --> 01:24:30,917
I'm not a terrorist.
1462
01:24:30,918 --> 01:24:33,417
I'm not a terrorist.
1463
01:24:33,418 --> 01:24:36,059
Eric will definitely be a major influence for...
1464
01:24:37,904 --> 01:24:40,706
Basically, from now on,
1465
01:24:41,127 --> 01:24:42,627
as far as guitar players are concerned.
1466
01:24:42,967 --> 01:24:44,069
When you mention guitar,
1467
01:24:44,248 --> 01:24:45,908
Eric's name always comes up.
1468
01:24:47,011 --> 01:24:47,792
Always comes up.
1469
01:24:48,713 --> 01:24:51,314
And that's a great thing.
1470
01:24:57,689 --> 01:25:00,189
It's...
1471
01:25:09,537 --> 01:25:22,204
Oh, um,
1472
01:25:24,539 --> 01:25:25,900
I respond in a very,
1473
01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:29,865
very instinctive way to something that's new and powerful.
1474
01:25:29,886 --> 01:25:35,033
And I don't really often know quite what it is that causes that.
1475
01:25:35,073 --> 01:25:35,268
I mean,
1476
01:25:36,136 --> 01:25:36,612
I am very,
1477
01:25:36,689 --> 01:25:41,573
very stimulated by design of any kind,
1478
01:25:41,869 --> 01:25:45,275
even musical design and visual design.
1479
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:47,729
So good songwriting,
1480
01:25:49,042 --> 01:25:50,042
great songwriting,
1481
01:25:50,104 --> 01:25:51,167
great playing.
1482
01:25:51,855 --> 01:25:52,636
Great singing,
1483
01:25:52,856 --> 01:25:53,898
great drawing,
1484
01:25:53,997 --> 01:25:55,920
great designing,
1485
01:25:56,801 --> 01:25:58,083
hits the same point in me.
1486
01:25:58,622 --> 01:25:59,922
And if I get excited,
1487
01:26:00,485 --> 01:26:01,845
that's the first thing that happens.
1488
01:26:01,868 --> 01:26:04,791
And then I kind of got to sit down and figure out why,
1489
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:05,791
usually.
1490
01:26:05,947 --> 01:26:06,189
I mean,
1491
01:26:06,252 --> 01:26:14,422
I have to try and do a bit of analysis to understand what it is about, the form of that thing that is causing that effect,
1492
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:14,720
you know.
1493
01:26:15,922 --> 01:26:17,766
And that's the kind of academic side of it,
1494
01:26:17,797 --> 01:26:18,220
I guess.
1495
01:26:18,658 --> 01:26:19,158
But they're all,
1496
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:19,422
to me,
1497
01:26:19,516 --> 01:26:20,627
part of the same picture.
1498
01:26:21,408 --> 01:26:24,877
And it's usually to do with the kind of,
1499
01:26:25,539 --> 01:26:26,801
with purity and tradition,
1500
01:26:26,859 --> 01:26:27,141
you know.
1501
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:10,395
That's a great point.
1502
01:27:11,055 --> 01:27:11,715
Thank you.
1503
01:27:11,734 --> 01:27:11,976
Thank you.
1504
01:27:11,978 --> 01:27:12,317
Thank you.
1505
01:27:12,318 --> 01:27:12,515
Thank you.
1506
01:27:12,516 --> 01:27:12,715
Thank you.
1507
01:27:12,716 --> 01:27:12,938
Thank you.
1508
01:27:12,939 --> 01:27:13,157
Thank you.
1509
01:27:13,158 --> 01:27:14,059
Thank you.
1510
01:27:14,060 --> 01:27:14,301
Thank you.
1511
01:27:14,301 --> 01:27:14,536
Thank you.
1512
01:27:14,559 --> 01:27:14,817
Thank you.
1513
01:27:14,818 --> 01:27:15,082
Thank you.
1514
01:27:15,082 --> 01:27:15,378
Thank you.
1515
01:27:18,003 --> 01:27:19,363
Thank you.
1516
01:27:19,442 --> 01:27:20,222
Thank you.
1517
01:27:20,347 --> 01:27:20,761
Thank you.
1518
01:27:22,270 --> 01:27:22,661
Thank you.
1519
01:27:22,801 --> 01:27:23,082
Thank you.
1520
01:27:23,082 --> 01:27:24,692
Thank you.
1521
01:27:24,722 --> 01:27:25,051
Thank you.
1522
01:27:25,051 --> 01:27:25,270
Thank you.
1523
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:25,628
Thank you.
1524
01:27:25,753 --> 01:27:25,972
Thank you.
1525
01:27:25,974 --> 01:27:26,270
Thank you.
1526
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:29,332
Thank you.
1527
01:27:29,347 --> 01:27:29,926
Thank you.
1528
01:27:29,957 --> 01:27:30,176
Thank you.
1529
01:27:30,176 --> 01:27:30,457
Thank you.
1530
01:27:30,551 --> 01:27:30,895
Thank you.
1531
01:27:30,895 --> 01:27:32,161
I'm sorry.
1532
01:27:55,289 --> 01:27:57,152
He's a very integrated person now,
1533
01:27:57,332 --> 01:27:57,733
I feel.
1534
01:27:58,354 --> 01:28:02,677
There's an edge of melancholy about the man and a seriousness about the man,
1535
01:28:02,698 --> 01:28:06,604
but that really is a pillar of strength,
1536
01:28:06,619 --> 01:28:06,877
you know.
1537
01:28:07,337 --> 01:28:07,681
And
1538
01:28:10,167 --> 01:28:12,081
I respect him deeply.
1539
01:28:12,189 --> 01:28:14,893
He's a very serious man.
1540
01:28:15,752 --> 01:28:21,470
One thing that I like about Eric is he appreciates...
1541
01:28:23,474 --> 01:28:29,038
What he has learned from the different musics that he's listened to,
1542
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:30,082
blues.
1543
01:28:31,426 --> 01:28:34,402
When we did the nights at Albert Hall,
1544
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about 90, and I guess it was 91, maybe.
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That year,
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those years,
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bringing people like Johnny Johnson,
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Albert Collins,
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and Buddy Guy and the Blues people to having those different nights that he had with all the different music.
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That's great.
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That's a great thing to do.
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That brings,
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that shows respect to the people who he's learned from and has respect for.
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And Eric does things like that, too.
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To come out to Austin to do the tribute for Stevie Ray Vaughan,
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what I thought was an excellent thing that he's done.
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And,
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you know,
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he's just a very passionate and kind-hearted soul.
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And she asked,
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Do you feel of me?
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And I said,
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Yes,
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I feel of you.
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Two,
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three.
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When I feel all the glory,
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when I see the light in these girls'
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eyes,
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in the wonder of it all,
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to just...
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With anything that I said about to do, there's the idea which is kind of perfect,
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the seed of the idea which is perfect. And then when you make it into reality, it becomes human and it becomes fallible, and it becomes not quite right. And then the rest of the journey is about trying to get it to fit the way it did. In my head, to try and make that as
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close as I as what I believe God would want me to do. As I get older, I take much more time
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deliberating over any one of these crossroads things. And but I don't for a minute imagine that they'll ever go away. And I think that's part of the journey. For as long as I shall be alive.115239
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