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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,756 --> 00:00:16,100 Every time I come up to making any kind of big life decision, 2 00:00:16,396 --> 00:00:18,038 I see it as a crossroads. 3 00:00:18,615 --> 00:00:20,881 There are three or four different ways to go here. 4 00:00:21,210 --> 00:00:22,521 Which is the one which is, 5 00:00:22,678 --> 00:00:23,085 I don't know, 6 00:00:23,146 --> 00:00:24,381 maybe the most spiritual, 7 00:00:24,506 --> 00:00:25,443 the most honest, 8 00:00:26,131 --> 00:00:27,693 and the most beneficial to everybody? 9 00:00:30,315 --> 00:00:31,658 I suppose, 10 00:00:31,676 --> 00:00:44,469 trying to read the Sun, tell me which way I should go to find the answer. And all the time I'm stuck in this line. 11 00:00:44,930 --> 00:00:53,204 The only time I'm happy is when I play my guitar. Eric Clapton is, by common consent, the greatest living exponent of the electric guitar. 12 00:00:53,985 --> 00:00:59,752 He could be the archetypal guitar hero, but a hero that hardly anyone could say that they really know. 13 00:01:00,555 --> 00:01:01,557 He shuns fame, 14 00:01:02,078 --> 00:01:04,019 a blues man who has lived the blues, 15 00:01:04,799 --> 00:01:08,123 and he has an almost Chameleon-like ability to change, 16 00:01:08,444 --> 00:01:08,983 survive, 17 00:01:09,287 --> 00:01:09,906 and move on. 18 00:01:11,022 --> 00:01:14,171 This was never more apparent than at the height of his fame in the 19 00:01:14,608 --> 00:01:16,912 60s, when he was part of the supergroup Cream. 20 00:01:18,751 --> 00:01:18,871 It's 21 00:01:19,233 --> 00:01:39,725 1968, and Cream's farewell concert at the Albert Hall. 22 00:01:40,475 --> 00:01:44,742 Clapton is about to pull the plug on the world's most successful rock trio. 23 00:01:54,203 --> 00:01:56,385 With an almost dismissive wave of the hand, 24 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:57,668 three were finished, 25 00:01:58,206 --> 00:01:59,206 and with one gesture, 26 00:01:59,605 --> 00:02:03,549 Eric was creating another chapter in the story of a musical legend. 27 00:02:12,284 --> 00:02:15,409 Throughout both his personal life and professional career, 28 00:02:15,864 --> 00:02:19,925 the crossroads have been used as a metaphor for Eric's ever-changing life. 29 00:02:20,644 --> 00:02:24,866 The addiction center in Antigua in the Caribbean that he founded is named after it. 30 00:02:25,545 --> 00:02:29,342 It refers to a classic track that Eric has often revisited. 31 00:02:31,710 --> 00:02:34,225 It was written by blues legend Robert Johnson, 32 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,913 a man whose vision and dedication acted as a beacon for the young Eric. 33 00:02:40,491 --> 00:02:41,772 When I got Robert Johnson, 34 00:02:41,975 --> 00:02:43,632 it was almost like he closed the door. 35 00:02:44,429 --> 00:02:45,022 And it was... 36 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,824 It was almost another kind of experience in there that I knew that was somewhere I could never go. 37 00:02:50,406 --> 00:02:51,944 I could always aspire to that, 38 00:02:52,387 --> 00:02:54,012 but it was something I would never grasp. 39 00:02:54,050 --> 00:02:54,729 And I think that, 40 00:02:55,449 --> 00:02:55,972 in a way, 41 00:02:56,151 --> 00:03:05,222 he was like the light at the end of the tunnel, in a way that gave me like a horizon to go towards. 42 00:03:05,441 --> 00:03:06,519 Whereas I could probably, 43 00:03:07,144 --> 00:03:08,034 in a conceited way, 44 00:03:08,175 --> 00:03:08,347 say, 45 00:03:08,378 --> 00:03:08,503 oh, 46 00:03:08,504 --> 00:03:08,644 well, 47 00:03:08,675 --> 00:03:11,597 I've got this piece of Brunzine down, 48 00:03:11,972 --> 00:03:12,347 you know, 49 00:03:12,425 --> 00:03:13,284 where I can play. 50 00:03:13,951 --> 00:03:16,995 Peggy, Sue, or maybe baby, in a way that sounded like Buddy Holly. 51 00:03:17,914 --> 00:03:20,637 But you could never say that of any of Robert Johnson's pieces. 52 00:03:25,727 --> 00:03:30,649 Robert Johnson started out as a rather average folk blues player in the Deep South during the 53 00:03:31,492 --> 00:03:31,602 1930s. 54 00:03:32,430 --> 00:03:35,133 However, one year, he disappeared for six months. 55 00:03:35,852 --> 00:03:36,602 On his return, 56 00:03:36,930 --> 00:03:40,399 he was arguably the greatest guitar player on the Mississippi Delta. 57 00:03:41,195 --> 00:03:42,539 The legend soon spread. 58 00:03:42,903 --> 00:03:58,602 That he had sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in return for his superhuman talents. I don't know anyone yet that has managed to actually, um, totally 59 00:03:58,656 --> 00:04:12,390 imitate anything he's ever done. It's beyond so. To me, he is like the thing to aspire to and at the same time know that I could never get there. Robert Johnson's body was buried here, 60 00:04:12,659 --> 00:04:15,862 in an unmarked grave at the Crossroads in Mississippi. 61 00:04:17,607 --> 00:04:23,107 It was this story, more than any other, that seized the imagination of the young Eric Clapton. 62 00:04:25,129 --> 00:04:29,418 But Eric's background was a million miles away from the deep South and the cotton fields. 63 00:04:29,951 --> 00:04:33,372 He was born and brought up in what is known as London's Stockbroker Belt, 64 00:04:33,747 --> 00:04:37,701 a chain of prosperous country villages on the outskirts of England's capital. 65 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:41,872 He was born in a small village called Ripley in Surrey. 66 00:04:44,533 --> 00:04:48,459 I couldn't have chosen a better place to come from if I had to, 67 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:49,901 you know, 68 00:04:49,901 --> 00:04:54,343 if I had to, kind of choose where I was going to be born. All over again. 69 00:04:54,404 --> 00:04:56,326 I don't think I would have opted for the Mississippi. 70 00:04:56,365 --> 00:05:00,014 Pete Richards of the Rolling Stones. 71 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:00,459 Stones, 72 00:05:00,661 --> 00:05:02,262 although born on the other side of London, 73 00:05:02,661 --> 00:05:06,867 had an almost identical experience as a youngster in the suburbs. 74 00:05:07,745 --> 00:05:18,281 I guess it was the music from America originally that suddenly the world seemed to me to go from black and white to technicolor, 75 00:05:18,281 --> 00:05:19,312 full technicolor. 76 00:05:20,702 --> 00:05:23,375 Suddenly, there was something happening. 77 00:05:23,766 --> 00:05:27,733 The rest of it had seemed to be while I was a kid. And I've no doubt to where it kind of... 78 00:05:28,692 --> 00:05:29,892 Scraping along, 79 00:05:31,355 --> 00:05:31,776 you know, 80 00:05:31,795 --> 00:05:33,956 and they just trying to, like, gather up the bits, 81 00:05:34,059 --> 00:05:34,317 you know, 82 00:05:34,336 --> 00:05:36,500 It seemed because your parents, and, 83 00:05:37,319 --> 00:05:38,180 in Eric's case, 84 00:05:38,180 --> 00:05:39,663 his grandparents or whatever, 85 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:40,000 you know, 86 00:05:40,343 --> 00:05:42,922 we grew up in a sort of fractured post-war 87 00:05:44,187 --> 00:05:44,891 England, you know, 88 00:05:45,093 --> 00:05:46,375 which is damn boring. 89 00:05:50,718 --> 00:05:52,672 We grew up together from babies, 90 00:05:52,718 --> 00:05:52,952 really. 91 00:05:53,297 --> 00:05:54,437 He's only five doors away. 92 00:05:55,343 --> 00:05:58,281 Rose and Jack brought Rick up and his grandparents. 93 00:05:59,940 --> 00:06:03,764 And they were ever loving to him, and they spoiled him a little bit, 94 00:06:04,064 --> 00:06:04,564 as they would. 95 00:06:05,447 --> 00:06:08,329 He also seemed to have the newest toys, 96 00:06:08,384 --> 00:06:08,548 etc. 97 00:06:10,588 --> 00:06:11,689 Everything they did for him. 98 00:06:12,494 --> 00:06:15,290 Eric's childhood was the childhood of an outsider. 99 00:06:15,822 --> 00:06:17,540 In England in 1945, 100 00:06:17,838 --> 00:06:20,838 there was still a stigma attached to being born illegitimate. 101 00:06:21,165 --> 00:06:23,869 The thing about being an outsider was never put on me by them. 102 00:06:24,182 --> 00:06:26,447 It was something that I felt within myself as... 103 00:06:27,244 --> 00:06:42,461 In a genetic way is that perhaps? And I and I've since learned that my father was a traveler, um, not a Romany or a Gypsy, but he was. He always was on the move, and I think I inherited that genetically. Is that, you know, and I know today that I 104 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:52,444 still like to divide my time between one player. I like to spend a certain amount of my time here. Then I after a while I want to move. I just to have an inbuilt desire to travel, 105 00:06:52,569 --> 00:06:54,975 which those guys don't have. 106 00:06:55,288 --> 00:06:56,257 They like being... 107 00:06:56,543 --> 00:06:57,665 Exactly, 108 00:06:57,824 --> 00:07:00,228 they liked staying. 109 00:07:00,326 --> 00:07:03,970 Eric was the result of his mother's liaison with a Canadian air force man. 110 00:07:04,531 --> 00:07:06,555 His grandparents brought him up as their own, 111 00:07:07,072 --> 00:07:10,259 and he thought his real mother was his sister until he was 11. 112 00:07:11,235 --> 00:07:12,836 His best friend from that time, 113 00:07:12,947 --> 00:07:13,555 Guy Pullen, 114 00:07:13,961 --> 00:07:17,572 remembers Eric's reaction to finding out the truth about his origins. 115 00:07:19,228 --> 00:07:21,884 It was shock, more than anything else, 116 00:07:21,884 --> 00:07:22,103 I think, 117 00:07:22,242 --> 00:07:24,759 when he realised that Rose wasn't his actual mother. 118 00:07:25,687 --> 00:07:28,709 Because, obviously, Rose could have been his mother with the age gap, 119 00:07:28,771 --> 00:07:30,374 Pat had him when she was only 16. 120 00:07:30,490 --> 00:07:33,053 So we would just think that it was a mother anyway, 121 00:07:33,154 --> 00:07:34,697 she wasn't any older than her own parent. 122 00:07:35,636 --> 00:07:38,322 Eric was seen as an outsider by his contemporaries. 123 00:07:39,105 --> 00:07:40,206 I think whatever he did, 124 00:07:40,783 --> 00:07:41,425 he tended to, 125 00:07:42,408 --> 00:07:42,644 you know, 126 00:07:42,689 --> 00:07:44,158 do it in a quite serious way. 127 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:49,846 I remember he went to see the film The Magnificent Seven, and was very impressed by it. 128 00:07:50,127 --> 00:07:52,050 One of the seven was a knife thrower, 129 00:07:52,721 --> 00:07:54,408 had a knife and suddenly went like that. 130 00:07:54,767 --> 00:08:13,701 And the person was dead. And that impressed Eric, and he wanted to be the one who threw the knives. Turning from his immediate surroundings, Eric looked across the Atlantic to a more glamorous world. One that he would later conquer, and one that now provided him with inspiration to turn to music. One 131 00:08:13,701 --> 00:08:21,747 of the first books I ever got my hands on, it was a prize at school, when, you know, a prize giving day. They gave me a book on America, and it was like 132 00:08:22,788 --> 00:08:24,430 one that it was like a whole other world, 133 00:08:24,430 --> 00:08:24,670 you know, 134 00:08:24,790 --> 00:08:27,271 photographs of skyscrapers. 135 00:08:27,334 --> 00:08:27,451 And 136 00:08:29,494 --> 00:08:36,104 I had an early interest in American cars and military stuff, and cowboys and Indians. 137 00:08:36,143 --> 00:08:37,360 And it was all outside. 138 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:38,619 Everything was outside of Ripley, 139 00:08:38,666 --> 00:08:39,884 all the stuff I was interested in. 140 00:08:40,291 --> 00:08:40,712 And, of course, 141 00:08:40,899 --> 00:08:41,759 eventually, music, 142 00:08:41,854 --> 00:08:42,291 when that, 143 00:08:43,134 --> 00:08:43,399 you know, 144 00:08:43,447 --> 00:08:45,947 became a big part of my life, 145 00:08:46,024 --> 00:08:47,807 my earliest recollections of music. 146 00:08:49,148 --> 00:08:50,909 Were music from far away. 147 00:08:50,950 --> 00:08:51,330 I couldn't, 148 00:08:51,350 --> 00:08:51,630 you know, 149 00:08:51,809 --> 00:08:52,931 the stuff that was local, 150 00:08:53,051 --> 00:08:54,534 it didn't intrigue me that much. 151 00:08:54,553 --> 00:08:57,855 It looked pretty much like imitative, 152 00:08:57,918 --> 00:08:58,159 you know. 153 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,902 Eric became driven to master the music he heard from the states, from the likes of Bluesman, 154 00:09:04,206 --> 00:09:05,051 big Bill Brunsin. 155 00:09:05,566 --> 00:09:09,894 I'd say that the formative influences were probably Buddy Holly and Big Bill Brunsin between, 156 00:09:10,176 --> 00:09:10,409 you know, 157 00:09:10,410 --> 00:09:11,221 the white and black. 158 00:09:11,254 --> 00:09:15,754 It's like a yin and yang side of individual. 159 00:09:16,601 --> 00:09:37,225 Musicology in that, these were both solo artists who had completely mastered their scope of the music from a white side and from a black side. And was actually probably very. The root may have been Robert Johnson for both of them, in terms of its purity, if not Robert Johnson, Leroy Carr, or 160 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,225 I don't know who buddy Holly would have listened to, but it's absolutely guaranteed that it would have been black music. 161 00:09:42,585 --> 00:09:44,335 I'm pretty sure it would have been actually 162 00:09:44,653 --> 00:09:46,076 more like, maybe a mixture of, 163 00:09:46,115 --> 00:09:47,657 you know, 164 00:09:48,057 --> 00:09:48,496 country, 165 00:09:49,597 --> 00:09:50,918 country and blues, 166 00:09:51,301 --> 00:09:57,489 perhaps someone like Bob Wills, or because they were Texans and the music from the South. 167 00:09:58,285 --> 00:09:58,769 So they were, 168 00:09:58,808 --> 00:09:59,067 I mean, 169 00:09:59,105 --> 00:10:05,090 those were my early role models, and they were actually fairly accessible artists. 170 00:10:05,091 --> 00:10:05,371 You know, 171 00:10:05,418 --> 00:10:06,308 like, there were times when 172 00:10:06,793 --> 00:10:10,965 Bill Brunsey would actually make almost white music because he had begun to tour, 173 00:10:10,996 --> 00:10:12,496 I guess, and was playing in Europe. 174 00:10:13,166 --> 00:10:28,491 And had learned to how to compromise a little bit without really watering it down. So he was quite accessible to me in terms of learning, and Buddy Holly was very accessible because of the way he played and wrote. And they were really my formative role 175 00:10:28,508 --> 00:10:30,211 models. It would have been about 176 00:10:31,616 --> 00:10:40,336 10 or 11, I suppose, and Rose bought him a Spanish guitar, nothing too expensive, obviously. That was his first first get you out. 177 00:10:41,453 --> 00:10:57,732 And it was quite incredible to watch him because he used to sit on the village green here in the summer. And just. And he had this old Grundy tape recorder and he continually played Brunzi, we didn't know Brunzi. All the local boys, I mean, we were all into 178 00:10:58,187 --> 00:11:07,546 Buddy, Holly and Elvis. We'd never heard of Brunzi, Robert Johnson, these guys that we know so well now. But he used to literally play Brunswick back, 179 00:11:07,857 --> 00:11:08,187 forward, 180 00:11:08,264 --> 00:11:08,437 back, 181 00:11:08,499 --> 00:11:09,639 forward. And then copy the rip 182 00:11:10,793 --> 00:11:32,184 and copy, direct and copy direct, copy the rift. And he's just like, How does this sound? And it is sound the same. It is a self-taught magnificent, you know? But I want to give us, give me a tag of riding chair. Ripley was very much an 183 00:11:32,201 --> 00:11:36,356 athletic community and and I needed to be, 184 00:11:37,481 --> 00:11:40,201 I needed to meet other people who perhaps 185 00:11:40,666 --> 00:11:44,229 more creative or more oddball. 186 00:11:44,509 --> 00:11:45,812 I couldn't fit into it. 187 00:11:45,851 --> 00:12:00,586 It's a very humiliating experience and I found that the only thing I had to offer was my ability to play the guitar. And I became accepted for that. And I developed in time a reputation which led to all of the work that I eventually got. 188 00:12:01,259 --> 00:12:02,211 When he was 16, 189 00:12:02,634 --> 00:12:06,226 Eric won a place among Surrey's elite students at the Kingston Art School. 190 00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:09,711 It meant travelling to a bigger town and a partial escape. 191 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:10,350 From Ripley. 192 00:12:11,051 --> 00:12:13,932 We had this one thing that tied us all together, 193 00:12:14,053 --> 00:12:15,234 which was this love of, 194 00:12:15,456 --> 00:12:16,717 or the passion of, 195 00:12:16,756 --> 00:12:19,682 Black music. By way of the blues, 196 00:12:19,738 --> 00:12:20,659 which we discovered. 197 00:12:21,284 --> 00:12:24,721 This was like an endless journey of which we were just starting on. 198 00:12:25,964 --> 00:12:28,370 Collyfield Road in Surbiton was the main school. 199 00:12:29,652 --> 00:12:30,495 We had an annex, 200 00:12:30,635 --> 00:12:32,652 which was three quarters of a mile up the road. 201 00:12:32,777 --> 00:12:32,918 Well, 202 00:12:32,932 --> 00:12:33,668 to get to that, 203 00:12:33,948 --> 00:12:35,855 you had to go past Bell's music Shop. 204 00:12:36,638 --> 00:12:41,481 And the big momentous thing was that Eric's grandmother had bought him this electric guitar, 205 00:12:41,543 --> 00:12:42,582 this K guitar, 206 00:12:43,524 --> 00:12:43,806 which was, 207 00:12:43,807 --> 00:12:44,043 I think, 208 00:12:44,044 --> 00:12:45,166 a Barney Kessel model. 209 00:12:45,625 --> 00:12:45,845 I mean, 210 00:12:45,869 --> 00:12:50,033 it really was a stunning thing and terribly expensive at that time. 211 00:12:50,572 --> 00:12:51,813 If I remember rightly, 212 00:12:51,852 --> 00:12:53,556 it was somewhere in the region of 213 00:12:54,102 --> 00:12:55,711 £90-ish, that sort of price. 214 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:55,916 Well, 215 00:12:55,931 --> 00:12:56,134 I mean, 216 00:12:56,134 --> 00:12:56,931 if you think that, 217 00:12:57,884 --> 00:13:00,024 I think my father was earning about £8 a week, 218 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:01,619 that was a lot of money. 219 00:13:02,791 --> 00:13:03,227 Boy, 220 00:13:03,229 --> 00:13:04,211 you accuse me! 221 00:13:07,174 --> 00:13:11,880 Take a look yourself. 222 00:13:11,881 --> 00:13:13,143 It was like another, 223 00:13:13,663 --> 00:13:17,923 like a kind of like, almost like a Hollywood kind of thing going on in Houston. 224 00:13:18,126 --> 00:13:19,509 For someone who came from Ripley, 225 00:13:19,884 --> 00:13:21,087 it was like stepping into 226 00:13:21,917 --> 00:13:27,822 Superstar. I remember there was this pub called the Crown, where everyone would go and drink, 227 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:29,479 and it had its own hierarchy, 228 00:13:30,182 --> 00:13:31,962 its own pecking order. That were played. 229 00:13:31,979 --> 00:13:32,745 For someone like me, 230 00:13:32,995 --> 00:13:34,697 I had to hang around the fringe. 231 00:13:35,418 --> 00:13:36,999 Until I was kind of okay. 232 00:13:38,402 --> 00:13:38,961 At that time, 233 00:13:38,981 --> 00:13:39,102 though, 234 00:13:39,104 --> 00:13:40,864 I suppose we thought we were refined. 235 00:13:41,703 --> 00:13:41,966 You know, 236 00:13:41,966 --> 00:13:53,250 we were kind of into muddy waters, records and things, and not so much bothering with the pop end of things, 237 00:13:53,282 --> 00:13:53,595 you know. 238 00:13:58,246 --> 00:14:07,124 That side of the show, busy side of, and of course, you were resolutely none showbiz. I think I knew that with the Kingston crowd. I think, um, 239 00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:09,149 Instinctively, 240 00:14:09,169 --> 00:14:14,793 I knew I'd found something which could give me a standing, 241 00:14:15,035 --> 00:14:15,696 a platform, 242 00:14:15,995 --> 00:14:16,980 or a place to be. 243 00:14:18,136 --> 00:14:18,715 It would give me... 244 00:14:19,761 --> 00:14:21,144 It was a way of earning respect. 245 00:14:24,206 --> 00:14:30,668 It was the first sign I'd had of anything that was in my being that could garner some respect, 246 00:14:30,745 --> 00:14:31,950 even if it was momentarily. 247 00:14:32,058 --> 00:14:36,058 I could stop people and get their attention and admiration. 248 00:14:37,812 --> 00:14:41,916 And that's when I knew that that was something I could employ for the rest of my life, 249 00:14:41,955 --> 00:14:42,216 you know, 250 00:14:42,217 --> 00:14:43,399 as long as I developed it. 251 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:51,065 He used to come over to Kingston on the 215 bus. And again, 252 00:14:51,104 --> 00:14:52,065 because we didn't have any money, 253 00:14:52,423 --> 00:14:54,744 couldn't go out spending all over the place, 254 00:14:54,916 --> 00:15:01,572 He would come to my place and we'd sit and listen, with our ears to the floor, 255 00:15:02,274 --> 00:15:04,619 listening to a dancet record player. 256 00:15:07,236 --> 00:15:08,798 One record was 257 00:15:11,022 --> 00:15:11,962 Big Ball Bruins' 258 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,225 When did you leave Heaven. 259 00:15:18,669 --> 00:15:21,311 Eric's devotion to the blues has never gone away, 260 00:15:21,788 --> 00:15:26,600 but this dedication to his roots was sorely tested when commercial success came his way. 261 00:15:27,255 --> 00:15:28,552 He didn't have long to wait. 262 00:15:33,961 --> 00:15:43,910 Eric Clapton's move from the Surrey dormitory town of Ripley to the relative Bright lights of Kingston gave him an opportunity to show his skills to fellow students at the Kingston Art School. 263 00:15:44,888 --> 00:15:48,356 In the explosion of new music, which took place in 1963, 264 00:15:48,832 --> 00:15:51,621 a new band was being formed by some fellow students. 265 00:15:51,981 --> 00:15:56,184 They asked Clapton to audition when a vacancy in the Yardbirds materialised. 266 00:15:56,403 --> 00:15:58,591 He seemed very sure of himself, 267 00:15:58,841 --> 00:16:00,091 very confident, 268 00:16:00,091 --> 00:16:02,856 a very strong person. 269 00:16:03,533 --> 00:16:19,230 Play with us. And, um, I sort of immediately took an immediate dislike to him for some reason. I thought I thought this guy's a bit couple. There was nothing else like it really around. Um, I mean, he 270 00:16:19,426 --> 00:16:32,676 would even he's my guitars once, just to take it home and and and sort of put it on and work a way out of, you know, a stance, position. And gradually, maybe after about a few months 271 00:16:32,828 --> 00:16:51,320 playing with us, he felt confident enough to start really soloing. He was a consumer stylist in his look and his clothing, and he had a certain, certain sadness about him, which I think was very appealing. Got a girl called Mamey, she'd 272 00:16:51,321 --> 00:17:01,850 be nice and kind, don't care what she do. Why don't you worry? Our band was like 273 00:17:01,965 --> 00:17:17,987 the typical band at the time that was based all based around the lead singer. Lead singer was the front, and so all the attention would go towards Keith. Um, then, after a while after he played in the band for a while, we 274 00:17:18,019 --> 00:17:29,471 noticed that there were a crowd building up on his side of the stage. And lots of, lots of girls and men as well, you know, that were very interest in what he was doing. 275 00:17:29,487 --> 00:17:30,877 So he was doing something or other. 276 00:17:31,381 --> 00:17:33,702 But I don't know exactly what. 277 00:17:33,703 --> 00:17:36,265 He had men and women, 278 00:17:36,988 --> 00:17:37,866 boys and girls, 279 00:17:38,186 --> 00:17:39,211 I guess at that time. 280 00:17:40,133 --> 00:17:40,327 Yes, 281 00:17:40,351 --> 00:17:44,336 he had his coterie of women who would faithfully follow us and him, 282 00:17:45,336 --> 00:17:48,343 possibly because all our gigs were in London or thereabouts, 283 00:17:48,718 --> 00:17:52,047 and they would come to every gig and the all-nighters at the Scene club. 284 00:17:54,202 --> 00:17:57,108 And the adoration was a sort of platonic, 285 00:17:58,108 --> 00:17:59,390 sort of a platonic thing, 286 00:17:59,422 --> 00:17:59,702 you know. 287 00:18:00,873 --> 00:18:02,914 What made him good at that time, 288 00:18:04,536 --> 00:18:06,140 and I would say that that's my, 289 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:06,877 you know, 290 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,159 what moves me personally in music, 291 00:18:09,698 --> 00:18:10,541 you know, 292 00:18:10,565 --> 00:18:12,487 It has to send a shiver down my back, 293 00:18:13,269 --> 00:18:13,627 and 294 00:18:14,127 --> 00:18:18,034 I have to be really moved by the way somebody plays, 295 00:18:18,269 --> 00:18:20,330 and without a doubt, 296 00:18:20,346 --> 00:18:21,112 at that time, 297 00:18:21,127 --> 00:18:24,034 he could play in such a way that could move one's feelings. 298 00:18:26,952 --> 00:18:41,770 I would say he has that ability, and I mean, when you look at him playing, you can actually see that he's playing from his soul, inner self. Pain. In the same way as the people we were trying to emulate. 299 00:19:04,164 --> 00:19:08,508 How many bridges I've got to clear and keep? 300 00:19:08,509 --> 00:19:11,673 How many times must I explain myself? 301 00:19:12,813 --> 00:19:14,836 Or I can talk to the voice? 302 00:19:15,102 --> 00:19:21,305 Or I can talk to the voice? 303 00:19:21,306 --> 00:19:22,711 It's almost like triangulated. 304 00:19:22,805 --> 00:19:23,445 I had a very, 305 00:19:23,523 --> 00:19:23,727 very... 306 00:19:24,862 --> 00:19:27,444 I was on my journey, without a doubt towards, 307 00:19:27,605 --> 00:19:27,824 you know, 308 00:19:27,925 --> 00:19:29,625 rhythm and blues and Blues. 309 00:19:31,527 --> 00:19:38,733 And I think the other guys, like Keith and Paul Samuel Smith, were going in different directions. 310 00:19:38,734 --> 00:19:40,140 And I think both of those guys, 311 00:19:40,719 --> 00:19:40,976 Keith, 312 00:19:41,476 --> 00:19:44,397 I don't know that Keith had really made up his mind what he wanted to be, 313 00:19:45,038 --> 00:19:47,258 but he was attracted to a lot of different things. 314 00:19:47,259 --> 00:19:47,461 I mean, 315 00:19:47,461 --> 00:19:48,804 he was attracted to jazz, 316 00:19:49,179 --> 00:19:50,851 to folk and to, 317 00:19:51,586 --> 00:19:51,836 you know, 318 00:19:52,726 --> 00:19:53,383 superstardom. 319 00:19:54,066 --> 00:20:04,332 And Paul was like listening to Bob Dylan and Joan Baez in the days when no one knew who they were. And was probably much more into organic music. 320 00:20:06,636 --> 00:20:06,761 So, 321 00:20:07,097 --> 00:20:10,300 and those kinds of things were conflicting with one another. 322 00:20:10,317 --> 00:20:15,488 And a lot of the time, we didn't really have any access to express that conflict. 323 00:20:15,503 --> 00:20:17,035 It was just like disgruntled. 324 00:20:17,036 --> 00:20:17,628 I mean, 325 00:20:17,644 --> 00:20:18,067 we weren't, 326 00:20:18,817 --> 00:20:19,067 I mean, 327 00:20:19,097 --> 00:20:22,113 I think we could all tell that we weren't seeing it the same way, 328 00:20:22,207 --> 00:20:23,442 but didn't quite know how to. 329 00:20:24,289 --> 00:20:40,207 To bring it back together again. You know how many times when God said, I love you, oh, you finally understand, won't be my. I'll 330 00:20:40,324 --> 00:20:45,557 try to be your father. 331 00:20:50,326 --> 00:20:50,465 Well, 332 00:20:50,506 --> 00:20:59,191 I think possibly the Yardbirds was the first time he established an audience, and he realised that an audience were turned on by him. And it wasn't just the playing. 333 00:20:59,832 --> 00:21:00,074 You know, 334 00:21:00,097 --> 00:21:01,214 again, going back, 335 00:21:01,753 --> 00:21:03,457 I almost think it's actually, 336 00:21:04,042 --> 00:21:04,300 you know, 337 00:21:04,878 --> 00:21:05,682 in his character, 338 00:21:05,683 --> 00:21:07,355 it's kind of more important in a way, 339 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:08,964 Not so much the playing, 340 00:21:08,965 --> 00:21:10,182 which, of course, is superb, 341 00:21:10,261 --> 00:21:16,246 but it's the charisma that's sent out, 342 00:21:16,371 --> 00:21:17,214 the vibes, 343 00:21:17,714 --> 00:21:19,480 that actually makes him more interesting. 344 00:21:47,701 --> 00:21:52,286 When John was not saying, I love you, 345 00:21:52,484 --> 00:21:52,867 Oh, 346 00:21:53,048 --> 00:21:53,169 do 347 00:21:53,767 --> 00:21:57,192 I understand? 348 00:21:57,512 --> 00:22:02,676 Won't you be my poor woman? 349 00:22:03,255 --> 00:22:10,637 I'll be your poor little man. 350 00:22:10,903 --> 00:22:15,012 I'll be your, 351 00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:34,690 gotta 352 00:22:34,815 --> 00:22:44,877 be your father. What I think about Eric is that he has developed such a devoted following worldwide, 353 00:22:45,513 --> 00:22:46,934 which is both men and women. 354 00:22:47,855 --> 00:22:49,397 And I think what's interesting, 355 00:22:49,417 --> 00:22:53,444 and in retrospect, what I can see from the very early days, 356 00:22:54,405 --> 00:22:55,726 he had an attractiveness which 357 00:22:56,086 --> 00:22:58,608 I can see would be very appealing to younger women. 358 00:23:30,007 --> 00:23:35,490 I think in a way, he probably misconstrued the Yardbirds to a degree in 359 00:23:35,553 --> 00:23:39,757 what we were and actually how serious and experimental we wanted to be. 360 00:23:41,007 --> 00:23:41,271 Also, 361 00:23:41,318 --> 00:23:44,193 you have to remember that he had actually joined a family that although... 362 00:23:44,554 --> 00:23:45,655 Only in a short term, 363 00:23:46,375 --> 00:23:47,998 but had already been formed. 364 00:23:49,557 --> 00:23:51,382 So he was slightly the outsider. 365 00:23:52,402 --> 00:23:52,644 I mean, 366 00:23:52,682 --> 00:23:56,746 I think that it's been quoted that he thought we were rather middle class. 367 00:23:56,846 --> 00:23:57,027 Well, 368 00:23:57,324 --> 00:23:57,588 actually, 369 00:23:57,589 --> 00:23:58,049 at the time, 370 00:23:58,050 --> 00:23:59,488 that is completely untrue. 371 00:23:59,527 --> 00:24:08,332 I think what he probably meant was that we had a pretty normal family and maybe that was part of the puzzle. 372 00:24:09,924 --> 00:24:10,363 And anyway, 373 00:24:10,394 --> 00:24:12,299 what happened? was he... 374 00:24:13,066 --> 00:24:23,950 Decided, I think that, you know, this particular song was very commercial. It's too poppy for him. It didn't, but how did it relate to the blues? Also? 375 00:24:25,170 --> 00:24:30,096 I mean, I wasn't party to the sort of Stalin-esque goings on behind the scene, 376 00:24:31,615 --> 00:24:35,018 But I felt he didn't feel that he was in control of that music, 377 00:24:35,323 --> 00:24:39,041 which he was a great influence earlier in the Yardbirds. 378 00:24:39,065 --> 00:24:43,744 I mean, a lot of the songs we did came from him and his musical collection. 379 00:24:44,104 --> 00:24:47,291 He got the nickname Slow Hand Clapton, actually from 380 00:24:47,776 --> 00:24:48,901 Hamish Grimes. 381 00:24:49,291 --> 00:24:51,151 We were playing really frenetically. 382 00:24:51,402 --> 00:25:16,884 He'd really be bashing into his strings, and he'd break a string, Of course, he'd take a while to change the string. And this was the joke. And slow hand Clapton don't go to suit you. I think I lose. I think there was several different schools of thought in the art birds. I saw that there was a way forward without it becoming totally commercial. Um, and 383 00:25:16,962 --> 00:25:17,603 I had, um. 384 00:25:18,682 --> 00:25:23,106 We were kind of given this like exam situation by the guy that was managing us, 385 00:25:23,165 --> 00:25:23,587 Giorgio, 386 00:25:23,748 --> 00:25:23,888 said, 387 00:25:23,907 --> 00:25:24,067 well, 388 00:25:25,709 --> 00:25:31,571 we got this opportunity to make a record. And we need a single kind of thing. 389 00:25:33,518 --> 00:25:34,923 So you've all got to come up with it. 390 00:25:34,924 --> 00:25:36,564 It was like everyone come up with an idea. 391 00:25:37,204 --> 00:25:45,782 And the closest I could come to it, without really compromising our ideals, was this Otis Redding song. 392 00:25:46,518 --> 00:25:49,141 And what they ended up doing was a Graham Gouldman song, 393 00:25:49,142 --> 00:25:51,301 which is a great song for any band, 394 00:25:51,403 --> 00:25:55,063 but it wasn't the... 395 00:25:55,086 --> 00:26:01,891 I didn't want to be our first record of any state that's being harnessed or anything that I was involved with, 396 00:26:01,892 --> 00:26:02,992 so that kind of image, 397 00:26:03,367 --> 00:26:04,009 that quickly. 398 00:26:04,711 --> 00:26:08,336 With the Yardbirds moving towards the pop charts with the single For Your Love, 399 00:26:08,727 --> 00:26:10,320 Eric decided to move the other way. 400 00:26:10,742 --> 00:26:11,680 He quit the band, 401 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,445 but the legend of Clapton was gathering pace. 402 00:26:15,546 --> 00:26:17,729 That there was actually another agenda going on, 403 00:26:17,788 --> 00:26:19,568 which was that I wasn't a very likable guy. 404 00:26:19,569 --> 00:26:20,132 And I wasn't, 405 00:26:20,133 --> 00:26:20,349 you know, 406 00:26:20,351 --> 00:26:23,232 I was a very nasty piece of work a lot of the time then. 407 00:26:23,252 --> 00:26:24,335 I was unreliable, 408 00:26:24,771 --> 00:26:25,553 dogmatic, 409 00:26:27,076 --> 00:26:28,701 and unsociable a lot of the time. 410 00:26:29,099 --> 00:26:32,068 And I think they saw me as being the fly in the oil, 411 00:26:32,069 --> 00:26:32,646 you know, 412 00:26:32,647 --> 00:26:33,178 And it was like, 413 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,224 once we got rid of Eric, 414 00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:35,960 we can get on with this, 415 00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:36,271 you know, 416 00:26:36,568 --> 00:26:38,974 and become like a really successful group. 417 00:26:39,068 --> 00:26:39,771 But sooner or later, 418 00:26:39,772 --> 00:26:40,428 I've got to go back, 419 00:26:41,428 --> 00:26:42,507 back home to Ripley, 420 00:26:42,568 --> 00:26:42,928 perhaps, 421 00:26:42,990 --> 00:26:44,835 and admit that this has all been a... 422 00:26:45,205 --> 00:26:48,509 A mistake and go back to work with my grandfather on the building site. 423 00:26:49,328 --> 00:26:54,478 And then Eric received a call that would both change his life and confirm his image as a loner, 424 00:26:54,813 --> 00:26:57,517 a man who had put his music before financial gain, 425 00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:00,039 a purist and a musical genius. 426 00:27:01,734 --> 00:27:03,767 And then I got the call from John Mayer and I thought, 427 00:27:04,188 --> 00:27:04,656 this is it. 428 00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:09,250 I've met somebody else who has that same view of how it can be. 429 00:27:10,413 --> 00:27:17,221 He was the only guitar player that I'd heard that was on the scene who had really any idea of what it really was all about. 430 00:27:17,823 --> 00:27:22,230 I think he was to be regarded pretty much as a nomad, 431 00:27:22,784 --> 00:27:24,284 and it was something you put up with, 432 00:27:24,424 --> 00:27:24,705 right? 433 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:25,510 As a band leader, 434 00:27:25,511 --> 00:27:29,698 it was a little frustrating not to have that reliability that I was used to. 435 00:27:30,338 --> 00:27:30,480 But, 436 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:30,855 of course, 437 00:27:30,869 --> 00:27:34,010 his talents and his playing were worth putting up with, 438 00:27:34,605 --> 00:27:34,855 you know, 439 00:27:34,869 --> 00:27:35,355 the aggro. 440 00:27:36,244 --> 00:27:37,276 I had an album. 441 00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:39,383 Called Blues Breakers by 442 00:27:39,784 --> 00:27:40,263 John Mayall. 443 00:27:41,263 --> 00:27:44,068 And Eric was the guitarist. 444 00:27:45,307 --> 00:27:47,409 And he played a Freddie King song called 445 00:27:49,548 --> 00:27:52,377 Hideaway, Which 446 00:27:53,213 --> 00:28:04,112 I learned by slowing it down to 16 and learning every lick, and then gradually being able to wind it up to 33 rpm. And then playing it with him, 447 00:28:04,221 --> 00:28:04,955 every note, 448 00:28:04,957 --> 00:28:05,548 note for note. 449 00:28:07,150 --> 00:28:09,673 And I could play the whole album like that eventually. 450 00:28:09,752 --> 00:28:13,136 So I learned to play lead guitar listening to Eric Clapton. 451 00:28:39,131 --> 00:28:42,689 How many times must we tell the tale? 452 00:28:44,009 --> 00:28:46,131 How many times must we fall? 453 00:28:46,348 --> 00:28:50,012 We have to see. 454 00:28:50,013 --> 00:28:52,153 We've never lost memory, 455 00:28:52,670 --> 00:28:54,317 we've just begun. 456 00:28:54,318 --> 00:29:03,020 It was obvious from his playing that he'd absorbed far more than most and had assimilated a multitude of... 457 00:29:25,938 --> 00:29:26,358 With Eric, 458 00:29:26,419 --> 00:29:36,367 it's just really been a blues-based thing. That has been refined here and there and extended backwards in time and refined around what there is there. 459 00:29:36,664 --> 00:29:39,711 And it's an excellent base for explorations, 460 00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:39,970 really, 461 00:29:40,009 --> 00:29:41,750 and for just doing different things. because, 462 00:29:42,142 --> 00:29:42,250 well, 463 00:29:42,267 --> 00:29:42,656 in fact, 464 00:29:42,953 --> 00:29:50,375 you can hear it when you get figures who are maybe popular in rock bands who play, 465 00:29:50,453 --> 00:29:54,142 but they don't have that basis. 466 00:29:54,634 --> 00:30:00,576 And they try and do bluesy things or blues type things. 467 00:30:00,635 --> 00:30:00,757 And 468 00:30:01,654 --> 00:30:02,799 I remember Eric Lafferty, 469 00:30:03,416 --> 00:30:03,698 you know, 470 00:30:05,159 --> 00:30:07,494 some people's efforts to do that. 471 00:30:08,494 --> 00:30:13,830 Because I suppose people achieve a sort of facility on instruments. 472 00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:20,659 And then so they think that they can therefore play that stuff. 473 00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:22,346 And it's not. 474 00:30:22,769 --> 00:30:23,871 It's not as easy as that. 475 00:30:24,392 --> 00:30:25,112 It's a craft. 476 00:30:25,872 --> 00:30:26,114 You know, 477 00:30:26,614 --> 00:30:35,700 I don't really respond to this idea. That rock and roll should be something that is so spontaneous that as soon as you can play, 478 00:30:35,739 --> 00:30:36,840 you can't do it anymore. 479 00:30:38,161 --> 00:30:39,380 I think that's nonsense, 480 00:30:39,411 --> 00:30:39,692 you know. 481 00:30:41,755 --> 00:30:42,567 It is a craft. 482 00:30:44,114 --> 00:30:45,489 It's an instrument with a long, 483 00:30:45,567 --> 00:30:46,317 long tradition, 484 00:30:46,989 --> 00:30:48,395 a thousand years of tradition. 485 00:30:49,301 --> 00:30:50,255 The more you practice, 486 00:30:50,895 --> 00:30:51,755 the better you get. 487 00:30:52,201 --> 00:30:54,342 The more choices you have at your fingertips, 488 00:30:54,422 --> 00:30:54,803 literally, 489 00:30:55,703 --> 00:30:56,781 we must respect that. 490 00:30:56,782 --> 00:30:59,464 We must respect learning and craft. 491 00:31:00,586 --> 00:31:02,766 And Eric Clapton is someone I respect greatly. 492 00:31:03,141 --> 00:31:06,648 If you think that you can doodle around on a guitar, 493 00:31:06,703 --> 00:31:08,430 so why can't you get up and do that? 494 00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:12,538 Then just try it and see what sort of an effect that you have. 495 00:31:13,163 --> 00:31:13,788 You know, 496 00:31:14,211 --> 00:31:15,883 that it's a hard-won thing. 497 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,913 And it comes from being... 498 00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:20,791 In love with it and being obsessive, 499 00:31:20,911 --> 00:31:21,673 semi-obsessive, 500 00:31:21,772 --> 00:31:25,195 or really obsessive to a fairly extensive degree about it. 501 00:31:26,176 --> 00:31:29,262 That's how you get to have a touch like that and a sound like that. 502 00:31:32,583 --> 00:31:33,887 Because you are your own thing, 503 00:31:33,926 --> 00:31:35,301 it's not just derivative. 504 00:31:35,645 --> 00:31:37,380 It's not just completely derivative. 505 00:31:37,411 --> 00:31:37,661 You know, 506 00:31:37,662 --> 00:31:42,005 you end up getting your own sound and your own approach to things. 507 00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:48,005 There are times on stage when I've stood next to and just been blown away by. 508 00:31:48,298 --> 00:31:56,627 Some of that stuff because it's great, it's really great. Blues guitar playing, you know, nothing, nothing less than that. 509 00:32:18,114 --> 00:32:20,758 I get lost in alibi, 510 00:32:23,742 --> 00:32:37,188 sadness, can't prepare. Everybody knows Tom's a good guy. Berwick at that time was, 511 00:32:37,859 --> 00:32:38,609 in my mind, 512 00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:40,203 totally brilliant. 513 00:32:41,846 --> 00:32:44,308 There were nights when he felt like playing, 514 00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:46,391 when he really had it in him. 515 00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:51,239 He was coming out with things on the guitar that would make your jaw drop. 516 00:32:52,417 --> 00:32:52,636 But, 517 00:32:52,817 --> 00:32:53,058 you know, 518 00:32:53,394 --> 00:32:54,355 he had to be in the mood. 519 00:32:54,356 --> 00:32:57,747 He was one of those very up-and-down things. 520 00:32:57,748 --> 00:32:59,403 He never quite knew what you were going to get. 521 00:33:00,183 --> 00:33:00,667 But like I say, 522 00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:01,653 when he was on form, 523 00:33:01,792 --> 00:33:02,089 I mean, 524 00:33:02,090 --> 00:33:03,042 there was nothing like it. 525 00:33:18,513 --> 00:33:30,619 Um, I 526 00:33:30,621 --> 00:33:39,401 am very conscious of, um, its significance. And, uh, and even then, I, I actually must admit that I was resistant 527 00:33:40,221 --> 00:33:41,363 about making a record. 528 00:33:41,823 --> 00:33:41,942 Now, 529 00:33:41,943 --> 00:33:48,063 I think what it was was that I've always considered, to a certain extent, that what I do isn't the real thing. 530 00:33:48,344 --> 00:33:49,180 And even now, 531 00:33:49,625 --> 00:33:50,547 I'm haunted by it, 532 00:33:51,047 --> 00:33:55,188 that the real thing is over there, somewhere on the other side of the Atlantic, or in a club. 533 00:33:55,586 --> 00:34:03,633 And so, therefore, being put on record has suddenly forced me to stand up and account for the fact that I'm... 534 00:34:03,890 --> 00:34:21,442 Actually in the marketplace with that, and must be and have to be ready to be. Compared to the thing I've always wanted to emulate. So suddenly now, and I think, especially at that stage of mine, was, if it's still very young, I don't. I didn't think I was ready to 535 00:34:21,567 --> 00:34:23,972 step into the into that kind of 536 00:34:25,126 --> 00:34:25,527 arena? 537 00:34:26,668 --> 00:34:30,873 The making of the Blues Breakers album was for us just business as usual. 538 00:34:30,911 --> 00:34:36,860 We went into the studio and basically recorded what we had been playing on stage. 539 00:34:38,016 --> 00:34:38,282 And, 540 00:34:38,838 --> 00:34:39,079 you know, 541 00:34:39,103 --> 00:34:46,688 at the time, we didn't expect it to do anything other than just document what we were doing. 542 00:34:50,922 --> 00:34:54,719 That Blues Breakers album is now regarded as a groundbreaking record. 543 00:34:55,329 --> 00:34:56,230 For the first time, 544 00:34:56,250 --> 00:35:01,313 the sensibilities of amplified rock were combined with the sound of the great Chicago bluesmen. 545 00:35:01,789 --> 00:35:03,692 It was a virtuoso performance. 546 00:35:04,394 --> 00:35:06,871 But even as the Blues Breakers album was being pressed, 547 00:35:07,231 --> 00:35:08,192 Eric was elsewhere, 548 00:35:08,536 --> 00:35:09,074 on the move, 549 00:35:09,472 --> 00:35:12,019 and restless to escape any sort of pigeonholing. 550 00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:17,050 It was symptomatic of the inner conflict between private needs and the public acclaim. 551 00:35:17,753 --> 00:35:20,489 Eric just did not want to play the fame game. 552 00:35:22,789 --> 00:35:24,311 All the time that I was with John, 553 00:35:24,371 --> 00:35:25,773 I was leaving and coming back. 554 00:35:25,853 --> 00:35:26,092 I mean, 555 00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:27,356 it never happened in one go. 556 00:35:27,358 --> 00:35:32,818 It was like I would go off little jaunts or not show up at gigs, too. 557 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,121 You know, 558 00:35:33,137 --> 00:35:38,443 it was quite normal for me to forget, maybe, or just not be bothered or want to do something else. 559 00:35:38,527 --> 00:35:38,739 I mean, 560 00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:44,427 it's hard for me now to imagine the kind of guy I was that would do that to somebody. 561 00:35:45,396 --> 00:35:45,505 But 562 00:35:45,989 --> 00:35:47,161 I think at the time, 563 00:35:47,974 --> 00:35:48,208 you know, 564 00:35:48,255 --> 00:35:50,630 I was with John and I wasn't with John. 565 00:35:51,094 --> 00:35:52,909 There was part of me that was saying, 566 00:35:54,088 --> 00:35:54,887 this is okay, 567 00:35:55,688 --> 00:35:56,789 but it's not okay. 568 00:35:58,027 --> 00:36:00,489 That I was already thinking of moving on. 569 00:36:00,590 --> 00:36:05,114 So I think what I would probably be doing would be to John, 570 00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:06,074 just to let him know, 571 00:36:06,574 --> 00:36:14,706 Was that? Every now and then I sabotage the whole thing? So that he know he couldn't count on me and that I actually was passing through. 572 00:36:15,347 --> 00:36:16,425 I don't know where I'm going, 573 00:36:16,456 --> 00:36:17,597 but I'm not staying here. 574 00:36:19,175 --> 00:36:20,159 I suppose I thought, 575 00:36:20,269 --> 00:36:22,192 some were in the back of my mind, 576 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,347 bit. 577 00:36:22,556 --> 00:36:27,619 I was going to be ready, perhaps when I was about 40, to make a record. 578 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:28,581 You know, 579 00:36:29,222 --> 00:36:29,900 up until then, 580 00:36:29,943 --> 00:36:32,728 I was going to be a student of getting and trying to get it right. 581 00:36:32,744 --> 00:36:32,987 You know, 582 00:36:32,987 --> 00:36:34,550 there was going to be another 10 or 15 or 583 00:36:34,972 --> 00:36:42,440 20 years of getting it right before. I would ever have to stand up and account for what I had achieved. 584 00:36:42,831 --> 00:36:44,050 And yet here I was, like 585 00:36:44,597 --> 00:36:47,503 20 years old and shoved in. 586 00:36:47,518 --> 00:36:47,768 I mean, 587 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,581 I remember being shoved in the studio, 588 00:36:49,722 --> 00:36:50,206 although I, 589 00:36:50,268 --> 00:36:50,628 you know. 590 00:36:51,251 --> 00:36:55,733 I'm sure I was very happy to be there with muddy waters and Otis spann when I was 19 years old. 591 00:36:56,476 --> 00:36:57,777 And these were already, 592 00:36:57,918 --> 00:36:58,179 you know, 593 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:58,617 men. 594 00:36:59,101 --> 00:37:00,117 Men's men. 595 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:01,664 And I was a kid, 596 00:37:01,844 --> 00:37:02,085 you know, 597 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:02,960 with a guitar. 598 00:37:03,101 --> 00:37:04,780 And I felt very, 599 00:37:06,202 --> 00:37:06,469 I mean, 600 00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:07,422 terrified. 601 00:37:08,391 --> 00:37:09,030 Beyond belief. 602 00:37:09,094 --> 00:37:12,813 I had no idea of how to conduct myself whatsoever. 603 00:37:12,875 --> 00:37:13,797 I had no idea. 604 00:37:13,938 --> 00:37:16,172 And I don't know whether I did well or not. 605 00:37:16,233 --> 00:37:16,608 It didn't... 606 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:17,780 I was just, 607 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:18,221 I was, 608 00:37:18,380 --> 00:37:20,443 it was almost like I blanked it out of my memory. 609 00:37:20,483 --> 00:37:21,603 I was so frightened. 610 00:37:22,063 --> 00:37:24,626 And these guys were in their suits, and there were men in their, 611 00:37:24,766 --> 00:37:25,028 in their 612 00:37:25,547 --> 00:37:26,329 40s, who'd achieve, 613 00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:27,547 they were the kings, 614 00:37:27,572 --> 00:37:27,867 you know, 615 00:37:27,907 --> 00:37:28,047 and, 616 00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:28,228 uh, 617 00:37:29,954 --> 00:37:30,431 and in a way, 618 00:37:30,492 --> 00:37:32,056 this didn't seem right to me. 619 00:37:32,634 --> 00:37:33,829 It still doesn't seem right. 620 00:37:35,579 --> 00:37:38,141 By the time the classic Blues Breakers album was issued, 621 00:37:38,516 --> 00:37:40,079 Eric had already left the band. 622 00:37:40,641 --> 00:37:44,063 His diffidence is probably best shown in the way he's pictured on the sleeve, 623 00:37:44,219 --> 00:37:44,969 reading the comic, 624 00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:45,547 the Beano. 625 00:37:46,335 --> 00:37:47,579 But despite his attitude, 626 00:37:47,858 --> 00:37:51,525 the album spawned London's most famous rock graffiti all over the capital. 627 00:37:52,025 --> 00:37:53,628 Eric was hailed as the master. 628 00:37:54,346 --> 00:37:56,416 His next band proved the point. 629 00:38:10,269 --> 00:38:17,000 In 1967, 630 00:38:18,577 --> 00:38:19,320 Ginger Baker, 631 00:38:19,476 --> 00:38:23,827 Jack Bruce and Eric Clapton formed the first and mightiest supergroup of the 632 00:38:24,327 --> 00:38:25,469 60s, called Cream. 633 00:38:25,891 --> 00:38:28,313 They changed the face of rock music forever. 634 00:38:38,184 --> 00:38:45,914 In who God is, 635 00:38:45,914 --> 00:38:47,016 and who can change me. 636 00:38:47,016 --> 00:38:47,391 God is first, 637 00:38:47,391 --> 00:38:47,655 and only He is. 638 00:38:47,657 --> 00:38:47,936 I can say I'm... 639 00:38:47,938 --> 00:38:51,172 I never didn't see the point in recreating kind of Chicago blues band. 640 00:38:51,577 --> 00:38:51,797 You know, 641 00:38:51,797 --> 00:38:52,125 that's... 642 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,266 And I remember discussions with him and, 643 00:38:55,297 --> 00:38:55,547 you know, 644 00:38:55,608 --> 00:38:55,797 saying, 645 00:38:55,827 --> 00:38:55,969 well, 646 00:38:55,969 --> 00:38:57,155 I want to take it somewhere else, 647 00:38:57,186 --> 00:38:58,344 which is really presumptuous, 648 00:38:58,344 --> 00:38:58,561 you know, 649 00:38:58,577 --> 00:38:58,780 very... 650 00:39:00,376 --> 00:39:02,277 Daring and kind of arrogant and everything, 651 00:39:02,317 --> 00:39:02,777 but you know, 652 00:39:02,797 --> 00:39:03,257 I was young. 653 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:05,621 For the first time, 654 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,242 Eric was playing alongside his musical equals. 655 00:39:08,844 --> 00:39:10,422 The results were electric. 656 00:39:11,507 --> 00:39:13,829 I had met my mash with both of them, 657 00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:14,110 you know, 658 00:39:14,110 --> 00:39:21,851 and up until then, I'd really been able to kind of manipulate and dominate situations, 659 00:39:21,914 --> 00:39:22,976 musically speaking. 660 00:39:23,257 --> 00:39:24,257 Around these guys, 661 00:39:24,476 --> 00:39:26,039 I felt like a younger brother, 662 00:39:26,664 --> 00:39:27,367 and I was very... 663 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,123 I was very aware of the dynamic being out of my control. 664 00:39:32,123 --> 00:39:34,286 And that interested me, 665 00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:35,686 no doubt about it. 666 00:39:35,806 --> 00:39:40,170 I thought it was something where I could almost step into the background. 667 00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:42,576 It was all going on all the time between Jack and Ginger. 668 00:39:42,998 --> 00:39:43,936 It was a tremendous, 669 00:39:44,731 --> 00:39:45,498 a lot of energy, 670 00:39:46,045 --> 00:39:47,639 either aggressive and loving, too. 671 00:39:47,951 --> 00:39:48,467 They were very, 672 00:39:48,514 --> 00:39:48,778 very, 673 00:39:49,606 --> 00:39:54,592 they were active human beings and very big in their emotions and their ambitions. 674 00:39:55,251 --> 00:40:12,202 And their creative abilities. They were very, very big people, bigger than anyone I'd met. Until that point, Green became one of the biggest bands in the world. Their music crossed over between the pop charts and the growing underground scene, and each album they produced outsold the last. We 675 00:40:12,219 --> 00:40:23,780 were conscious of the fact that we were held in awe, uh, even amongst, like the music press here, which, would, you know, in those days, was quite an achievement. Um, 676 00:40:24,788 --> 00:40:25,027 you know, 677 00:40:25,088 --> 00:40:26,329 when we did the first gig, 678 00:40:26,369 --> 00:40:28,231 we didn't even have a full repertoire. 679 00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:30,353 We played at some jazz festival, 680 00:40:30,414 --> 00:40:31,333 Reading Jazz Festival, 681 00:40:31,376 --> 00:40:31,695 I think, 682 00:40:32,556 --> 00:40:33,099 with half, 683 00:40:33,152 --> 00:40:33,394 you know, 684 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,177 like about five songs, 685 00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:36,277 which was what we had. 686 00:40:37,161 --> 00:40:38,981 And people were blown away. 687 00:40:39,661 --> 00:40:41,724 And we were very conscious of what we had. 688 00:41:01,507 --> 00:41:07,733 I'm going to do a little bit of a speech and then we'll start. 689 00:41:07,735 --> 00:41:07,914 Hello. 690 00:41:07,914 --> 00:41:08,117 Hello. 691 00:41:08,155 --> 00:41:08,297 Hello. 692 00:41:08,297 --> 00:41:08,492 Hello. 693 00:41:08,539 --> 00:41:08,655 Hello. 694 00:41:08,672 --> 00:41:08,851 Hello. 695 00:41:08,851 --> 00:41:09,014 Hello. 696 00:41:09,132 --> 00:41:09,257 Hello. 697 00:41:09,273 --> 00:41:09,476 Hello. 698 00:41:09,476 --> 00:41:09,679 Hello. 699 00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:10,070 Hello. 700 00:41:10,070 --> 00:41:10,210 Hello. 701 00:41:10,211 --> 00:41:11,164 Hello. 702 00:41:11,179 --> 00:41:11,882 Hello. 703 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,179 Hello. 704 00:41:12,351 --> 00:41:12,835 Hello. 705 00:41:13,101 --> 00:41:13,257 Hello. 706 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:13,414 Hello. 707 00:41:13,414 --> 00:41:13,742 Hello. 708 00:41:13,742 --> 00:41:13,945 Hello. 709 00:41:14,023 --> 00:41:14,132 Hello. 710 00:41:14,179 --> 00:41:14,320 Hello. 711 00:41:14,367 --> 00:41:14,523 Hello. 712 00:41:14,523 --> 00:41:14,695 Hello. 713 00:41:14,695 --> 00:41:14,820 Hello. 714 00:41:14,867 --> 00:41:15,039 Hello. 715 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:15,195 Hello. 716 00:41:15,195 --> 00:41:15,367 Hello. 717 00:41:15,382 --> 00:41:15,585 Hello. 718 00:41:15,867 --> 00:41:16,023 Hello. 719 00:41:16,023 --> 00:41:16,148 Hello. 720 00:41:16,148 --> 00:41:16,320 Hello. 721 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:16,476 Hello. 722 00:41:16,664 --> 00:41:16,976 Hello. 723 00:41:17,617 --> 00:41:18,320 Thank you. 724 00:41:24,077 --> 00:41:29,483 And we've got a growth portal. 725 00:41:29,485 --> 00:41:30,679 And we've got a growth portal. 726 00:41:30,681 --> 00:41:31,547 And we've got a growth portal. 727 00:41:31,547 --> 00:41:32,945 And we've got a growth portal. 728 00:41:32,969 --> 00:41:33,750 And we've got a growth portal. 729 00:41:33,789 --> 00:41:35,452 And we've got a growth portal. 730 00:41:35,483 --> 00:41:36,266 And we've got a growth portal. 731 00:41:36,266 --> 00:41:36,969 And we've got a growth portal. 732 00:41:36,983 --> 00:41:37,688 And we've got a growth portal. 733 00:41:37,688 --> 00:41:38,483 And we've got a growth portal. 734 00:41:38,547 --> 00:41:40,030 And we've got a growth portal. 735 00:41:40,032 --> 00:41:40,797 And we've got a growth portal. 736 00:41:40,797 --> 00:41:42,047 And we've got a growth portal. 737 00:41:42,047 --> 00:41:42,594 And we've got a growth portal. 738 00:41:42,594 --> 00:41:43,733 And we've got a growth portal. 739 00:41:43,735 --> 00:41:44,233 And we've got a growth portal. 740 00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:44,875 And we've got a growth portal. 741 00:41:44,876 --> 00:41:45,594 And we've got a growth portal. 742 00:41:45,594 --> 00:41:45,719 Um, 743 00:41:47,545 --> 00:42:06,485 I'm a little crazy. 744 00:42:25,916 --> 00:42:42,036 A commercial foundation? It was, it was, it was undescribable. It wasn't jazz, it wasn't blues, it wasn't rock and roll, and it definitely wasn't pop music. So it was something that a grown-up person could listen to. And yet it had a lot of other things, too, that were quite poppy, you, you know, 745 00:42:44,568 --> 00:42:45,802 and it was very exciting. 746 00:43:08,362 --> 00:43:08,471 At 747 00:43:08,472 --> 00:43:11,034 the time, he was known as the greatest guitarist in the world. 748 00:43:11,815 --> 00:43:12,081 You know, 749 00:43:12,081 --> 00:43:12,268 I mean, 750 00:43:12,268 --> 00:43:17,190 this is hyperbole that Eric wanted to live down for a long time, 751 00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:17,393 you know, 752 00:43:17,423 --> 00:43:18,893 because it was embarrassing. 753 00:43:19,956 --> 00:43:21,458 But he was certainly up there. 754 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,659 But Eric always identified his sources. 755 00:43:25,882 --> 00:43:27,925 He never hid away from the fact that he didn't say, 756 00:43:27,925 --> 00:43:28,065 well, 757 00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:29,268 I invented this stuff. 758 00:43:29,362 --> 00:43:30,885 You know, 759 00:43:30,887 --> 00:43:33,409 he was steeped in a knowledge of the blues. 760 00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:35,972 Had done his apprenticeship, 761 00:43:36,628 --> 00:43:37,018 done that. 762 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,347 He's a modest man. 763 00:43:39,251 --> 00:43:41,454 But also an extraordinary musician. 764 00:43:41,715 --> 00:43:43,496 And he's a craftsman. 765 00:43:44,137 --> 00:43:44,394 You know, 766 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:47,942 he's a guy who works this craft, 767 00:43:48,583 --> 00:43:52,347 who studies and works hard and gets better as he gets older. 768 00:43:53,628 --> 00:43:54,809 That's a lesson for all of us. 769 00:44:06,153 --> 00:44:08,494 I'm going to turn it over to you, 770 00:44:08,617 --> 00:44:11,920 and I'm going to ask you to stand around. 771 00:44:12,003 --> 00:44:12,440 Stand around. 772 00:44:12,442 --> 00:44:17,065 I want you to get your hands up. 773 00:44:17,105 --> 00:44:28,472 And I want you to put, 774 00:44:30,043 --> 00:44:41,329 I'm going to take a picture of the time I spent in the lab. 775 00:44:41,331 --> 00:44:52,815 I'm going to start with the first question. 776 00:44:52,846 --> 00:44:55,893 What do you want to do? 777 00:44:58,811 --> 00:44:59,632 And we have to do it, 778 00:44:59,652 --> 00:45:05,458 But what we know is that we may have to get the final results if we do not get the results we want. 779 00:45:05,458 --> 00:45:05,579 So, 780 00:45:05,579 --> 00:45:08,806 we have to know that there are any new results, 781 00:45:09,063 --> 00:45:10,204 and we have to do it. 782 00:45:10,204 --> 00:45:11,103 And we have to do it. 783 00:45:11,204 --> 00:45:11,320 So, 784 00:45:11,322 --> 00:45:12,829 we have to do it. 785 00:45:12,922 --> 00:45:15,742 But what are the things that we need to do? 786 00:45:15,773 --> 00:45:15,884 So, 787 00:45:16,023 --> 00:45:16,461 that's it. 788 00:45:21,697 --> 00:45:27,045 It's a great experience. 789 00:45:27,065 --> 00:45:27,224 So, 790 00:45:28,048 --> 00:45:30,295 that's it. 791 00:45:30,755 --> 00:45:34,920 Thank you. 792 00:45:41,922 --> 00:45:46,925 I suppose we're responsible for a lot of dodgy heavy metal bands. 793 00:45:47,947 --> 00:45:49,112 For that, I apologize. 794 00:45:50,713 --> 00:45:59,572 I think probably we took the pop music into areas that I hadn't been before. And you were able to do things, 795 00:46:00,197 --> 00:46:01,213 to get away with things, 796 00:46:01,275 --> 00:46:02,994 that things crossed over. 797 00:46:03,391 --> 00:46:05,858 But that's a thing that's always happening anyway. 798 00:46:06,262 --> 00:46:10,273 I don't see those years as really any different to now. 799 00:46:11,478 --> 00:46:12,137 With the cream, 800 00:46:12,237 --> 00:46:13,018 you know, 801 00:46:13,257 --> 00:46:13,878 Jack and 802 00:46:14,318 --> 00:46:18,318 Ginger, I knew them as well as I knew Eric, 803 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,041 if not better, 804 00:46:19,157 --> 00:46:19,440 you know, 805 00:46:20,518 --> 00:46:21,260 for a while. 806 00:46:25,782 --> 00:46:26,885 But Eric's a searcher, 807 00:46:27,635 --> 00:46:28,525 that's what I think, 808 00:46:28,697 --> 00:46:30,728 and he doesn't stop searching. 809 00:46:31,338 --> 00:46:36,291 Sometimes it takes him into some morose areas, 810 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:36,619 you know, 811 00:46:36,666 --> 00:46:38,556 which I think they cheer up, 812 00:46:38,557 --> 00:46:38,838 you know. 813 00:46:40,269 --> 00:46:42,291 Bloody millionaire guitar player, 814 00:46:43,434 --> 00:46:44,494 you should be miserable. 815 00:46:47,139 --> 00:46:49,177 I think Ginger had problems with success. 816 00:46:49,739 --> 00:46:52,264 I had problems with success, 817 00:46:52,302 --> 00:46:53,583 but Ginger really had them. 818 00:46:53,623 --> 00:46:53,764 And 819 00:46:54,623 --> 00:46:55,764 Ginger would try to make, 820 00:46:55,903 --> 00:46:58,731 whenever we were about to have this great success, 821 00:46:58,733 --> 00:47:04,231 he would try to make it not happen. So that it wouldn't have happened yet. 822 00:47:05,905 --> 00:47:08,226 But I don't think Eric had any real problems with that. 823 00:47:08,228 --> 00:47:12,025 I'm sure he always knew he was going to be successful, 824 00:47:12,045 --> 00:47:15,045 and I'm sure he was very ambitious for a certain kind of success, 825 00:47:15,068 --> 00:47:16,827 which he has more than achieved. 826 00:47:17,045 --> 00:47:17,170 And, 827 00:47:17,452 --> 00:47:17,686 you know, 828 00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:20,045 I don't think he ever had a problem with it. 829 00:47:21,146 --> 00:47:21,882 We had almost, 830 00:47:21,927 --> 00:47:22,115 like, 831 00:47:22,146 --> 00:47:25,349 invented our own language. So that when we were touring around England, 832 00:47:26,038 --> 00:47:27,710 the promoters would come and talk to us, 833 00:47:27,771 --> 00:47:28,427 or someone would, 834 00:47:28,443 --> 00:47:28,724 you know, 835 00:47:29,646 --> 00:47:30,927 ordinary people would come up to us, 836 00:47:31,318 --> 00:47:33,632 and we would compose a barrier, 837 00:47:33,724 --> 00:47:34,552 we would talk in it. 838 00:47:35,773 --> 00:47:38,554 Amongst ourselves, in a way that these guys couldn't understand. 839 00:47:38,556 --> 00:47:38,773 I mean, 840 00:47:38,775 --> 00:47:39,414 it was almost... 841 00:47:39,494 --> 00:47:41,115 I've seen it with the Beatles, too. 842 00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:44,775 I saw that when they were all alive and working together. 843 00:47:45,197 --> 00:47:56,112 They had this same kind of, like a human fortress aspect that was very powerful and very impenetrable and scary and exciting to be around. 844 00:47:57,175 --> 00:47:59,893 What we were doing up until that point was we were doing little... 845 00:48:00,262 --> 00:48:01,704 Short versions of our songs, 846 00:48:01,704 --> 00:48:01,903 you know, 847 00:48:02,143 --> 00:48:02,342 three, 848 00:48:02,403 --> 00:48:02,585 four, 849 00:48:02,643 --> 00:48:03,565 five minute things, 850 00:48:03,726 --> 00:48:04,347 which was nice. 851 00:48:04,347 --> 00:48:06,367 But then everybody was so out of it, 852 00:48:06,487 --> 00:48:06,730 you know, 853 00:48:06,768 --> 00:48:10,030 the film, or we're all lying on the floor, going, 854 00:48:10,054 --> 00:48:10,608 just play. 855 00:48:11,695 --> 00:48:12,210 So we did. 856 00:48:12,257 --> 00:48:13,398 We just sort of did these. 857 00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:15,617 And then that became the albatross, 858 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:16,092 as it were, 859 00:48:16,217 --> 00:48:16,452 you know, 860 00:48:16,561 --> 00:48:18,483 which kind of broke the camel's back. 861 00:48:18,514 --> 00:48:19,327 That's a good one. 862 00:48:20,842 --> 00:48:23,108 Because we always had to play these really long solos. 863 00:48:24,561 --> 00:48:27,545 It was kind of like the WHO had to destroy the drum set every night. 864 00:48:27,811 --> 00:48:29,655 We had to play really long solos every night. 865 00:49:19,501 --> 00:49:19,681 Hello, 866 00:49:19,702 --> 00:49:31,063 my name is David. 867 00:49:31,063 --> 00:49:32,445 I'm a teacher at the University of Colorado, 868 00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:36,289 and I'm going to teach you how to use the language of the language. In the language of the language of the language. 869 00:49:36,289 --> 00:49:42,539 I'm going to teach you how to use the language of the language in the language of the language. 870 00:49:42,804 --> 00:49:46,429 I'm going to teach you how to use the language of the language in the language of the language. 871 00:49:47,610 --> 00:49:48,150 So, 872 00:49:48,152 --> 00:49:52,733 we have a video of the first time I've ever seen a Black man. 873 00:49:52,733 --> 00:49:53,994 It was a long shot. 874 00:49:54,217 --> 00:49:58,538 I was even worried I was going to die in the next episode. 875 00:49:58,539 --> 00:50:02,123 I was telling myself that I was going to die, 876 00:50:02,125 --> 00:50:04,452 so I went straight into the flash. 877 00:50:04,452 --> 00:50:06,155 I found it. 878 00:50:06,155 --> 00:50:06,311 I was like, 879 00:50:06,311 --> 00:50:08,233 what's happening to this? 880 00:50:08,233 --> 00:50:12,233 I thought it was something I needed to do, 881 00:50:12,233 --> 00:50:12,748 but it was just a very, 882 00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:13,233 very long night. 883 00:50:13,342 --> 00:50:15,655 Praying combines psychedelia with power rock. 884 00:50:15,929 --> 00:50:19,072 The mix came together in the best-selling album Disraeli Gears. 885 00:50:19,534 --> 00:50:23,096 It became one of the style icons of the Summer of Love in 67. 886 00:50:23,677 --> 00:50:24,436 As far as I remember, 887 00:50:24,458 --> 00:50:32,786 we were driving to the gig and just talking about the fact that Ginger was a racing cyclist before he became a drummer. 888 00:50:34,286 --> 00:50:35,224 And the roadie said, 889 00:50:35,271 --> 00:50:35,443 oh, 890 00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:37,005 when you had that racing bike, 891 00:50:37,007 --> 00:50:38,146 did you have Disraeli Gears? 892 00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:39,130 Something like that. 893 00:50:39,193 --> 00:50:39,458 You know, 894 00:50:39,833 --> 00:50:41,380 instead of derailleur Gears. 895 00:50:43,271 --> 00:50:44,130 That was the album title. 896 00:50:45,402 --> 00:50:53,963 Disraeli Gears remains one of the classic, groundbreaking psychedelic albums of the 60s, and, amazingly, it was recorded in New York City in only three days. 897 00:50:55,322 --> 00:51:09,088 Everything about the album was revealing here. All of these new techniques, these new traditions. It was an absolutely bizarre experience to record and I had no guideline. So caution 898 00:51:09,134 --> 00:51:11,228 to the wind. If they're crazy, I'll be crazier. 899 00:51:37,782 --> 00:51:42,568 Cream were the first true crossover band to enjoy both singles and album successes. 900 00:51:43,048 --> 00:51:48,130 Their combination of virtuoso power playing and a solid blues grounding had never been done before, 901 00:51:48,514 --> 00:51:50,333 and it spawned a thousand imitators. 902 00:51:51,139 --> 00:51:54,583 Eric has done something different with the blues music. 903 00:51:55,193 --> 00:51:55,458 I mean, 904 00:51:55,521 --> 00:51:56,427 when he and 905 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,630 Cream did their version, 906 00:51:59,864 --> 00:52:00,786 their take on blues, 907 00:52:00,849 --> 00:52:00,989 yeah, 908 00:52:01,021 --> 00:52:01,849 they changed it up. 909 00:52:02,443 --> 00:52:05,052 It made it more accessible to a lot of other people. 910 00:52:06,014 --> 00:52:08,655 And it had the rock feel to it, 911 00:52:08,797 --> 00:52:11,458 and it spawned countless bands, 912 00:52:11,561 --> 00:52:12,938 countless guitar players, 913 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,467 brought it to a world of people who had never heard of 914 00:52:16,943 --> 00:52:19,811 Robert Johnson, or Willie Dixon, or Albert King. 915 00:52:20,568 --> 00:52:20,826 And, 916 00:52:21,005 --> 00:52:21,146 yeah, 917 00:52:21,146 --> 00:52:22,646 it was a major boost. 918 00:52:23,208 --> 00:52:24,146 Eric scared everybody, 919 00:52:24,552 --> 00:52:25,989 but that's what you have to do. 920 00:52:26,068 --> 00:52:26,755 You have to do that. 921 00:52:26,757 --> 00:52:28,943 It's kind of like being a gunslinger. 922 00:52:31,358 --> 00:52:31,518 Yeah, 923 00:52:31,557 --> 00:52:32,498 I can play faster, 924 00:52:32,539 --> 00:52:33,400 I can play louder, 925 00:52:33,458 --> 00:52:34,442 I can play more, 926 00:52:34,561 --> 00:52:35,443 I can play less, 927 00:52:35,501 --> 00:52:39,108 I can play more of less and less of more, and bigger and wider and thinner. 928 00:52:40,208 --> 00:52:41,405 So that's what you do. 929 00:52:42,311 --> 00:52:43,326 We just scared everybody, 930 00:52:43,467 --> 00:52:43,927 I'm sure. 931 00:52:45,068 --> 00:52:47,755 The late 60s became the era of the guitar hero, 932 00:52:48,130 --> 00:52:49,536 and Eric was top of the pile. 933 00:52:49,974 --> 00:52:51,583 He became the guy to aim for. 934 00:52:52,021 --> 00:52:53,974 Others tried to play longer and faster, 935 00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:57,458 but it was a competition that Eric did not see in those terms. 936 00:52:57,927 --> 00:52:58,739 It was a throwback. 937 00:52:58,797 --> 00:53:01,878 To the movies of his youth, that gave him a cultural reference point. 938 00:53:07,695 --> 00:53:09,157 It's almost like a samurai thing. 939 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,117 It's very interesting that I was always very interested in samurai movies. 940 00:53:14,297 --> 00:53:19,719 The great ones are the ones who kind of play a defensive role. 941 00:53:20,297 --> 00:53:22,876 The great samurais are the ones that don't go charging in. 942 00:53:23,516 --> 00:53:24,141 They wait, 943 00:53:24,376 --> 00:53:25,469 they wait, and they wait, 944 00:53:25,501 --> 00:53:27,063 and they usually give... 945 00:53:27,942 --> 00:53:29,945 Their opponent, the first shot at it, 946 00:53:29,945 --> 00:53:30,425 You know what I mean? 947 00:53:30,483 --> 00:53:35,351 And it's much the same way. In my knowledge of our culture, 948 00:53:35,369 --> 00:53:36,347 the guitar players, 949 00:53:36,807 --> 00:53:40,355 is that the great ones never appear to go into combat. 950 00:53:40,510 --> 00:53:40,815 You know, 951 00:53:41,112 --> 00:53:41,518 they always, 952 00:53:41,574 --> 00:53:41,753 like, 953 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,565 give up the stage to whoever's coming on, 954 00:53:46,581 --> 00:53:46,893 you know, 955 00:53:47,347 --> 00:53:48,440 and take a back seat. and, 956 00:53:48,442 --> 00:53:49,003 in a way, 957 00:53:49,237 --> 00:53:51,097 win by default. 958 00:53:52,643 --> 00:53:54,284 At the peak of Cream's success, 959 00:53:54,675 --> 00:53:55,487 Eric was saddled. 960 00:53:55,661 --> 00:54:12,690 Not only by the graffiti that labeled him as God, but also by common consent. He was the world's greatest guitarist. It was quite a cross to bear a lot of the things that people rave about. I don't get at all. I mean, like, the live version of Crossroads, which is supposed to be my the 961 00:54:12,722 --> 00:54:24,925 peak of my career, I think is awful. My enjoyment of that experience is in the recollection of the relationship, the events that that took place and the live music. 962 00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:28,952 And a lot of that was on dope, 963 00:54:28,952 --> 00:54:29,134 you know, 964 00:54:29,135 --> 00:54:32,557 and so it may have felt better than it sounded, and probably did. 965 00:54:32,577 --> 00:54:34,858 It was probably awful to listen to, 966 00:54:36,742 --> 00:54:37,905 but was great to play. 967 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:44,045 Three were only together for two and a half years, 968 00:54:44,264 --> 00:54:46,327 but their influence is still around today. 969 00:54:46,952 --> 00:54:48,873 Rather unlike Eric's next project, 970 00:54:51,014 --> 00:54:53,623 Blind Faith made one rather controversial album. 971 00:54:54,181 --> 00:54:59,063 Controversial for its sleeve rather than its content, and then faded from the firmament. 972 00:55:00,101 --> 00:55:01,364 On the group's U.S. tour, 973 00:55:01,844 --> 00:55:07,184 Eric took to traveling on the support Act Delaney and Bonnie's tour bus, rather than with Stevie Winwood, 974 00:55:07,465 --> 00:55:08,965 Ginger Baker and Rick Gretsch. 975 00:55:09,684 --> 00:55:10,465 At the tour end, 976 00:55:10,887 --> 00:55:13,012 everyone knew blind faith were no more. 977 00:55:13,621 --> 00:55:16,512 The result, though, was one of rock's greatest albums. 978 00:55:29,985 --> 00:55:39,764 We'll look back to the evening, 979 00:55:39,927 --> 00:55:40,967 the old days, 980 00:55:41,632 --> 00:55:43,452 how we did once, 981 00:55:43,452 --> 00:55:47,302 the same great, huge boy, 982 00:55:47,365 --> 00:55:47,552 yes. 983 00:55:48,224 --> 00:55:48,427 But now, 984 00:55:48,429 --> 00:55:49,632 instead of going out, 985 00:55:49,693 --> 00:55:50,224 there's no good once, 986 00:55:50,226 --> 00:55:50,507 only very much, 987 00:55:50,507 --> 00:55:51,068 and that's why we go out twice. 988 00:55:51,070 --> 00:55:51,443 As the 60s drew to a close, 989 00:55:51,445 --> 00:55:53,085 Eric Clapton was left without a band. 990 00:55:53,615 --> 00:55:56,427 He created some of the most memorable music of the decade, 991 00:55:56,646 --> 00:55:58,990 like the song Badge he wrote with George Harrison. 992 00:55:59,777 --> 00:56:03,822 Not to mention providing the solo on while my guitar gently weeps off the Beatles' 993 00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:04,423 White Album. 994 00:56:05,282 --> 00:56:07,563 But with Blind Faith and Cream, both in the past, 995 00:56:07,885 --> 00:56:09,947 Eric looked closer to home for inspiration. 996 00:56:10,728 --> 00:56:14,572 His friend George Harrison had written Here comes the sun at the bottom of Eric's garden. 997 00:56:15,431 --> 00:56:19,001 Now, George's wife Patty became Eric's most famous inspiration. 998 00:56:20,094 --> 00:56:22,173 On the 23rd of August in 1970, 999 00:56:22,594 --> 00:56:25,860 Eric flew to Miami with musicians from Delaney and Bonny's band. 1000 00:56:26,469 --> 00:56:28,938 There, he was introduced to another guitar legend. 1001 00:56:29,762 --> 00:56:30,782 With typical modesty, 1002 00:56:31,103 --> 00:56:33,884 Eric became Derek, and a new band was born. 1003 00:56:34,626 --> 00:56:37,891 Derek and the Dominos recorded just one studio album together, 1004 00:56:38,353 --> 00:56:39,369 but it was a great one. 1005 00:56:46,297 --> 00:56:46,735 That night, 1006 00:56:47,485 --> 00:56:49,079 the whole Allman Brothers band and 1007 00:56:49,657 --> 00:56:54,126 Derek and the Dominos went back to the studio. And here are Eric and Dwayne playing licks. 1008 00:56:55,126 --> 00:56:55,360 I mean, 1009 00:56:55,422 --> 00:56:56,704 here are two strangers. 1010 00:56:57,454 --> 00:57:16,056 That are not strangers, it's like they've been lifelong friends, feeding each other, and that was the beginning of Layla. Well, we've been working and living together for about a year as the dominoes back in, back in England, here in England, living down in the country and touring and doing clubs. And we were writing as we went along, but it hadn't really, um, 1011 00:57:17,512 --> 00:57:21,135 we hadn't really put together a concept for this thing at all. 1012 00:57:21,295 --> 00:57:22,197 It was going to be one, 1013 00:57:23,056 --> 00:57:23,998 perhaps one album. 1014 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,103 But then when Dwayne came into the mix, 1015 00:57:27,541 --> 00:57:31,548 it was just a question of. Like, opening every door we could and going in every room, 1016 00:57:32,065 --> 00:57:37,072 trying every piece of material that I could think of from my past and his past. 1017 00:57:38,588 --> 00:57:39,697 And then it was a double album. 1018 00:57:42,228 --> 00:57:43,072 But I think the group, 1019 00:57:43,369 --> 00:57:45,994 the Dominoes were already pretty well. 1020 00:57:46,643 --> 00:57:46,885 I mean, 1021 00:57:46,925 --> 00:57:47,324 we'd done, 1022 00:57:47,625 --> 00:57:47,985 we'd been, 1023 00:57:48,806 --> 00:57:50,869 I'd known them and played with them as Delaney and Bonnie, 1024 00:57:51,010 --> 00:57:51,311 and then, 1025 00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:51,630 you know, 1026 00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:53,630 when Delaney had left and everything, 1027 00:57:53,632 --> 00:57:53,951 it was, 1028 00:57:56,693 --> 00:57:58,076 we knew one another pretty well. 1029 00:57:58,755 --> 00:58:02,920 The combination of Dwayne Allman and Eric Clapton produced a guitar classic. 1030 00:58:03,889 --> 00:58:04,561 The a minor, 1031 00:58:04,655 --> 00:58:05,842 da-da-da-dee-doo-doo-doo, 1032 00:58:06,264 --> 00:58:08,030 off the e to the G to the A. 1033 00:58:08,186 --> 00:58:12,436 I think it was played as a lick inside one of the portions, 1034 00:58:12,670 --> 00:58:13,655 and all of a sudden they said, 1035 00:58:15,092 --> 00:58:15,811 put that up front. 1036 00:58:16,391 --> 00:58:17,753 Well, 1037 00:58:17,755 --> 00:58:18,333 to begin with, 1038 00:58:18,355 --> 00:58:19,476 it didn't do very well. 1039 00:58:19,855 --> 00:58:26,445 It was actually quite a long time before it became a popular record. 1040 00:58:26,460 --> 00:58:28,648 I think it was out for a long time before it took off, 1041 00:58:29,867 --> 00:58:31,327 because I think it was anonymous, 1042 00:58:31,405 --> 00:58:31,726 you know, 1043 00:58:31,789 --> 00:58:33,929 and then people didn't really know anything about it. 1044 00:58:34,429 --> 00:58:34,992 And we didn't do, 1045 00:58:35,085 --> 00:58:35,335 I mean... 1046 00:58:35,943 --> 00:58:36,804 I didn't promote it, 1047 00:58:36,925 --> 00:58:37,206 you know. 1048 00:58:37,965 --> 00:58:38,945 I've never really wanted, 1049 00:58:39,226 --> 00:58:46,472 I mean, that was a classic example of my philosophy about record promotion is not call it somebody else and don't do anything. 1050 00:58:47,597 --> 00:58:49,699 Because then, if it's good, it will sell on its own merit. 1051 00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:16,315 I think the greatest thing now that 1052 00:59:16,737 --> 00:59:20,722 I'm recognized from it is that how lucky I was to be around those kind of musicians, 1053 00:59:22,706 --> 00:59:23,987 especially like Jim Gordon, 1054 00:59:24,081 --> 00:59:24,722 Carl Radel. 1055 00:59:25,034 --> 00:59:25,300 I mean, 1056 00:59:25,456 --> 00:59:26,003 every one of them, 1057 00:59:26,018 --> 00:59:26,628 Bobby Whitlock, 1058 00:59:27,237 --> 00:59:27,893 Dwayne Ormuth. 1059 00:59:28,518 --> 00:59:28,737 I mean, 1060 00:59:28,784 --> 00:59:30,097 that was an incredible. 1061 00:59:32,143 --> 00:59:33,284 If I'm proud of anything, 1062 00:59:33,315 --> 00:59:35,737 I'm proud of the fact that I was enough. 1063 01:00:05,512 --> 01:00:09,474 The album, Layla, is rumoured to have been recorded in a narcotic haze. 1064 01:00:10,077 --> 01:00:16,744 The next part of Eric's life wavered dramatically between serious bouts of superstardom and complete seclusion. 1065 01:00:17,704 --> 01:00:18,784 For nearly two years, 1066 01:00:18,963 --> 01:00:20,947 Eric was in a drug-induced hinterland. 1067 01:00:21,369 --> 01:00:23,572 Retiring at first to his house near Uhurst, 1068 01:00:23,931 --> 01:00:26,791 he even spent the summer as a farm labourer in Wales, 1069 01:00:27,166 --> 01:00:30,119 as he grappled with his much-publicised personal problems. 1070 01:00:30,791 --> 01:00:32,041 The death of Jimi Hendrix, 1071 01:00:32,713 --> 01:00:33,806 Eric's grandfather, 1072 01:00:34,213 --> 01:00:34,853 Dwayne Allman. 1073 01:00:35,215 --> 01:00:36,597 And others near and dear to him, 1074 01:00:36,998 --> 01:00:38,760 coupled with his torment over Patty, 1075 01:00:39,298 --> 01:00:40,483 fueled his addiction. 1076 01:00:44,088 --> 01:00:46,306 Drugs caused in me like a kind of stupor, 1077 01:00:46,525 --> 01:00:46,768 which, 1078 01:00:47,947 --> 01:00:48,393 especially, 1079 01:00:48,407 --> 01:00:48,666 you know, 1080 01:00:48,971 --> 01:00:49,829 the major drugs, 1081 01:00:50,369 --> 01:00:51,704 turned me into like a zombie. 1082 01:00:52,346 --> 01:00:55,862 And I couldn't do much harm to myself, just sitting in front of the TV on a 1083 01:00:56,376 --> 01:00:57,815 24-hour basis. 1084 01:00:58,721 --> 01:01:00,673 I hadn't ever done it intravenously, 1085 01:01:01,501 --> 01:01:02,282 so there was not... 1086 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,003 The great danger of overdosing that you get with a needle, 1087 01:01:06,103 --> 01:01:06,965 for instance. 1088 01:01:08,003 --> 01:01:09,965 But alcohol had me. 1089 01:01:10,027 --> 01:01:12,347 I was driving drunk a lot of the time, 1090 01:01:12,409 --> 01:01:22,597 and I was doing things drunk aggressively with other human beings. That took me into a lot of life-threatening situations, which I didn't need to do. 1091 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:23,597 And so for me, 1092 01:01:25,597 --> 01:01:29,690 alcohol was and is far more threatening. 1093 01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:31,643 I used to... 1094 01:01:32,411 --> 01:01:33,753 Handle all kinds of stuff for him. 1095 01:01:34,393 --> 01:01:34,592 Well, 1096 01:01:34,675 --> 01:01:37,679 I would always have to have a packet of cigarettes in my pocket, 1097 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,280 a small pair of nail clippers, 1098 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,523 a bottle of Covocier, 1099 01:01:45,585 --> 01:01:45,945 bottle of 1100 01:01:46,342 --> 01:01:47,202 7up or Sprite, 1101 01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:49,702 a glass or two. 1102 01:01:51,186 --> 01:02:00,264 I had a little box which I used to carry, which had all that in with the initials WBA on it for West Bromwich Albion. 1103 01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:02,420 Eric was a big fan. 1104 01:02:03,242 --> 01:02:04,304 Brandy. 1105 01:02:04,326 --> 01:02:04,445 Yeah, 1106 01:02:05,626 --> 01:02:05,965 Brandy. 1107 01:02:05,967 --> 01:02:07,251 It's always large Brandy. 1108 01:02:07,431 --> 01:02:08,371 Large brandy lemonade. 1109 01:02:08,373 --> 01:02:10,012 Didn't drink anything else. 1110 01:02:10,014 --> 01:02:10,434 Odd beer, 1111 01:02:10,474 --> 01:02:11,114 but that was it. 1112 01:02:11,293 --> 01:02:11,856 Large Brandy. 1113 01:02:12,739 --> 01:02:15,059 And he was getting to three bottles a day. 1114 01:02:15,083 --> 01:02:16,528 And we knew that. 1115 01:02:17,215 --> 01:02:21,282 My main responsibility was to ensure that Eric got on stage sober. 1116 01:02:21,577 --> 01:02:27,023 My evaluation of my achievements was very different to everybody else's. 1117 01:02:27,726 --> 01:02:31,851 I felt that I hadn't done anything of any great value. 1118 01:02:32,235 --> 01:02:32,875 And yet it was, 1119 01:02:33,077 --> 01:02:34,032 and that people out there, 1120 01:02:34,047 --> 01:02:35,891 especially around that stuff with Green, 1121 01:02:36,875 --> 01:02:38,485 were saying all kinds of things. 1122 01:02:39,110 --> 01:02:39,563 And I thought, 1123 01:02:39,594 --> 01:02:39,782 well, 1124 01:02:40,485 --> 01:02:41,485 they've missed the point. 1125 01:02:41,813 --> 01:02:43,438 And especially on top of that, 1126 01:02:43,516 --> 01:02:43,782 you know, 1127 01:02:43,827 --> 01:02:46,391 being told that I was this sort of legend. 1128 01:02:46,824 --> 01:02:49,467 And I had no way of carrying that. 1129 01:02:49,626 --> 01:02:51,150 I had no means. 1130 01:02:52,610 --> 01:02:54,592 I think Eric's always searching for himself, 1131 01:02:55,650 --> 01:02:58,119 which I think is a great thing. 1132 01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,853 Hence the changes in persona and look. 1133 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,088 And there's kind of an outward sign, 1134 01:03:07,806 --> 01:03:08,806 or something that's still, 1135 01:03:09,103 --> 01:03:09,728 you know, 1136 01:03:09,806 --> 01:03:10,728 but see, 1137 01:03:10,806 --> 01:03:12,322 that's what the whole thing is about, 1138 01:03:12,463 --> 01:03:12,947 searching. 1139 01:03:53,472 --> 01:03:59,478 And we are the first Black people to have a second child. 1140 01:03:59,498 --> 01:04:01,478 One of the first Black people to have a second child. 1141 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:09,525 We need to respect the rules of the world. 1142 01:04:09,527 --> 01:04:18,072 We are the first Black people to have a second child. 1143 01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:20,791 We are the first Black people to have a second child. 1144 01:04:24,512 --> 01:04:24,753 Hi, 1145 01:04:24,813 --> 01:04:32,164 my name is, 1146 01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:37,483 I'm a student at the 1147 01:04:40,726 --> 01:04:46,210 University of Minnesota and 1148 01:05:25,708 --> 01:05:28,568 welcome to the Best Friends Family Awesome Game Podcast. 1149 01:05:28,608 --> 01:05:29,789 We're with our YouTube channel, 1150 01:05:29,791 --> 01:05:43,978 and we're going to talk about, 1151 01:05:57,016 --> 01:05:57,157 Hey, 1152 01:05:57,157 --> 01:05:57,317 buddy. 1153 01:05:57,318 --> 01:05:58,599 I'm here to do a project for your new blog on the age of 45. 1154 01:05:58,599 --> 01:05:58,637 Oh, 1155 01:05:58,639 --> 01:05:58,838 yeah. 1156 01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:58,918 It's... 1157 01:05:58,920 --> 01:05:58,998 Oh, 1158 01:05:59,000 --> 01:05:59,099 yeah. 1159 01:05:59,099 --> 01:05:59,277 Alright. 1160 01:05:59,278 --> 01:05:59,398 I see. 1161 01:05:59,400 --> 01:05:59,498 So, 1162 01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:09,688 what are you going to do with this project? 1163 01:06:09,688 --> 01:06:10,853 I'm going to do this in my first, 1164 01:06:10,853 --> 01:06:11,867 and I'll leave it there. 1165 01:06:11,869 --> 01:06:11,907 So, 1166 01:06:11,907 --> 01:06:12,969 if you're interested in learning the game, 1167 01:06:12,971 --> 01:06:13,610 go into the link in the end, 1168 01:06:13,672 --> 01:06:14,219 and go into the blog. 1169 01:06:14,221 --> 01:06:14,797 I'm still not sure how to do it. 1170 01:06:14,798 --> 01:06:14,876 Oh, 1171 01:06:14,876 --> 01:06:15,001 okay. 1172 01:06:15,016 --> 01:06:15,141 So, 1173 01:06:15,188 --> 01:06:18,954 thank you very much. 1174 01:06:18,954 --> 01:06:20,016 And I'm going to leave it in the end, 1175 01:06:20,018 --> 01:06:20,766 and I'll leave it in the end, 1176 01:06:20,768 --> 01:06:21,563 And I'll leave it in the end, 1177 01:06:21,579 --> 01:06:22,563 and I'll leave it in the end, 1178 01:06:22,563 --> 01:06:22,782 thank you. 1179 01:06:33,699 --> 01:06:35,664 In 1973, 1180 01:06:35,664 --> 01:06:38,445 the WHO's Pete Townsend hauled Eric out of semi-retirement. 1181 01:06:39,108 --> 01:06:39,827 The following year, 1182 01:06:39,867 --> 01:06:41,764 he was back in Miami with Tom Dowd, 1183 01:06:42,148 --> 01:06:46,452 recording the album that would mark the transition to global solo recording star. 1184 01:06:47,780 --> 01:06:50,250 The album was named after the place where he stayed, 1185 01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:52,625 461 Ocean Boulevard. 1186 01:06:56,092 --> 01:06:56,672 I suppose, 1187 01:06:56,771 --> 01:06:59,132 forced to consider myself as a solo artist. 1188 01:06:59,173 --> 01:07:04,195 And it had been something that was probably waiting to occur. 1189 01:07:05,195 --> 01:07:12,257 It was either I was going to have to really consciously make up my mind. That I was going to be in a band as just a sideman for somebody, 1190 01:07:12,851 --> 01:07:14,742 or I was going to take the bull by the horns and be 1191 01:07:15,242 --> 01:07:15,882 Eric Clapton. 1192 01:07:16,739 --> 01:07:38,259 The solo artist? And it's like three years before I came back to do 461 Ocean Boulevard. And and the net result was that there was a great deal of, um, a great deal of kind of subconscious meditation went on during that. And the album itself from that came from that, 461 was very powerful as a result. In 1193 01:07:38,260 --> 01:07:46,023 the band that played the tracks from that album On the Road was Marcy Levy. He just blew me away, he was so passionate. 1194 01:07:47,208 --> 01:07:48,909 The thing about Eric that was always great is, 1195 01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:51,932 whereas there were all these people playing 10 million notes showing off, 1196 01:07:52,675 --> 01:07:55,077 Eric would play this one note. And it would just make you want to cry, 1197 01:07:55,452 --> 01:07:56,476 just bring it to your knees. 1198 01:07:56,898 --> 01:07:58,280 And that happened every night. 1199 01:07:59,179 --> 01:08:00,764 And it wasn't always the same every night. 1200 01:08:01,125 --> 01:08:02,719 It was something different. 1201 01:08:03,077 --> 01:08:06,061 It was just amazing how he could do that. 1202 01:08:07,922 --> 01:08:09,108 Even though the 70s and 1203 01:08:09,452 --> 01:08:11,233 80s were decades fueled by booze, 1204 01:08:11,594 --> 01:08:14,358 it was a problem that Eric's fans were largely unaware of. 1205 01:08:14,876 --> 01:08:15,255 In fact, 1206 01:08:15,257 --> 01:08:16,757 the legend of Clapton grew, 1207 01:08:17,118 --> 01:08:18,199 now he was a frontman, 1208 01:08:18,559 --> 01:08:20,681 as well as a unique instrumental talent. 1209 01:08:22,744 --> 01:08:24,643 The other thing about Eric that I've always said, 1210 01:08:24,644 --> 01:08:26,048 he's one of my favorite singers. 1211 01:08:26,564 --> 01:08:26,869 To me, 1212 01:08:26,948 --> 01:08:29,048 he's kind of like a white Ray Charles, 1213 01:08:29,050 --> 01:08:29,189 in a way. 1214 01:08:29,190 --> 01:08:32,337 But in 1991, 1215 01:08:32,667 --> 01:08:34,994 his grief and suffering became horribly public. 1216 01:08:35,917 --> 01:08:36,979 His six-year-old son, 1217 01:08:37,150 --> 01:08:37,525 Connor, 1218 01:08:37,775 --> 01:08:40,025 fell to his death from his New York apartment, 1219 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,119 as Eric was making his way across town for a visit. 1220 01:09:12,471 --> 01:09:12,814 Eric's 1221 01:09:12,894 --> 01:09:16,408 grief became the centerpiece for the outpouring that was tears in Heaven. 1222 01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:22,141 It brought a whole new generation of fans to the man, who is now grappling with all his demons. 1223 01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:24,360 His personification of, 1224 01:09:24,841 --> 01:09:26,920 you've got to have the blues to play the blues, 1225 01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:28,341 took on a new meaning. 1226 01:09:29,020 --> 01:09:29,881 And the stripped down, 1227 01:09:30,045 --> 01:09:32,920 honest and pure approach Eric now took to his life, 1228 01:09:33,287 --> 01:09:33,943 and his music, 1229 01:09:34,426 --> 01:09:36,224 was totally in tune with his audience. 1230 01:09:37,020 --> 01:09:37,739 And once again, 1231 01:09:38,083 --> 01:09:40,801 he became one of the world's most successful performers. 1232 01:09:42,568 --> 01:09:45,412 This all adds up to what we have as our eclat, 1233 01:09:45,506 --> 01:09:45,849 you know. 1234 01:09:47,347 --> 01:09:53,354 His entire life is his work, and it comes through his work, and he's had some terrible tragedies in his life. 1235 01:09:55,717 --> 01:10:05,881 But it's been fortunate to have a mode of expression like music, where that can be processed and healed again. 1236 01:10:06,644 --> 01:10:11,243 I think time has probably been the most important thing for Eric. 1237 01:10:11,326 --> 01:10:11,524 Like, 1238 01:10:11,604 --> 01:10:14,764 time is for anybody who's a musician. 1239 01:10:15,568 --> 01:10:16,427 Time teaches you, 1240 01:10:16,889 --> 01:10:17,122 you know, 1241 01:10:17,208 --> 01:10:18,122 more about life. 1242 01:10:18,966 --> 01:10:21,747 You go through all kinds of different situations. 1243 01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:25,662 And only through the experience of life does one, 1244 01:10:25,662 --> 01:10:26,412 you know, 1245 01:10:26,489 --> 01:10:28,287 learn from those situations. 1246 01:10:30,475 --> 01:10:31,833 It's what he's gone through personally. 1247 01:10:32,315 --> 01:10:33,997 That's gotten him to where he is. 1248 01:10:34,057 --> 01:10:40,224 And because he's willing to express that through his music and be vulnerable and put himself out there, 1249 01:10:41,645 --> 01:10:42,685 that's why he is there, 1250 01:10:42,724 --> 01:10:44,707 because he's experienced it and he shares it. 1251 01:10:55,872 --> 01:11:00,622 Tears in Heaven and the unplugged Session were a huge commercial and artistic success. 1252 01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:03,622 Eric walked away with a record haul of Grammys. 1253 01:11:05,144 --> 01:11:07,747 After his initial soundtrack work with Michael Kamen, 1254 01:11:08,185 --> 01:11:10,693 Clapton now became Hollywood's favorite composer, 1255 01:11:11,029 --> 01:11:12,747 his soundtracks Adorning Phenomenon, 1256 01:11:12,989 --> 01:11:13,631 Lethal Weapon, 1257 01:11:13,974 --> 01:11:14,849 and The Color of Money. 1258 01:11:34,908 --> 01:11:45,194 Star 1259 01:11:45,529 --> 01:11:50,390 She's my mother and 1260 01:11:51,765 --> 01:11:53,092 I love 1261 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:07,009 if I can reach the stars, 1262 01:12:08,649 --> 01:12:16,384 no wonder I'm shining on the stars. 1263 01:12:18,488 --> 01:12:20,952 So you could see the tree, 1264 01:12:23,613 --> 01:12:30,762 and there's a love I haven't seen, 1265 01:12:33,426 --> 01:12:36,926 but for now, I'll find you. 1266 01:12:39,381 --> 01:13:00,466 It's only in my dreams and I can change 1267 01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:05,966 the world. 1268 01:13:11,923 --> 01:13:13,301 I hate to say it, 1269 01:13:13,326 --> 01:13:17,006 I hate to say it, 1270 01:13:17,048 --> 01:13:28,051 but it's probably me. 1271 01:13:56,529 --> 01:13:57,850 And to see how they jump. 1272 01:13:58,551 --> 01:14:00,212 That's the legacy. 1273 01:14:00,435 --> 01:14:02,134 He's not pretending he's 17, 1274 01:14:02,172 --> 01:14:06,699 he's not tying himself into latex trousers or wearing a wig or a corset, 1275 01:14:07,317 --> 01:14:08,099 he is himself. 1276 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:08,863 I think 1277 01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:10,145 Eric's style, 1278 01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:10,466 to me, 1279 01:14:12,238 --> 01:14:14,520 I like the fact that he plays really clean, 1280 01:14:15,613 --> 01:14:17,613 really simple, 1281 01:14:21,286 --> 01:14:22,051 uncluttered. 1282 01:14:24,725 --> 01:14:27,167 It's like having a conversation with somebody. 1283 01:14:27,368 --> 01:14:30,649 If you listen to a solo in Eric's style, 1284 01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:38,622 it's what I like about guitar players who have meaning with what comes out of what they play. 1285 01:14:39,622 --> 01:14:40,926 There's a story behind it. 1286 01:14:41,536 --> 01:14:48,505 It's not just a bunch of notes garbled together as a show-off kind of thing, or any kind of antic or anything like that. 1287 01:14:49,676 --> 01:14:50,395 It's musical, 1288 01:14:51,145 --> 01:14:51,832 very melodic. 1289 01:14:52,712 --> 01:15:09,819 And it speaks to you. Ask yourself, who watched for me? My only friend? Could it be? Is hard to say it, I 1290 01:15:09,881 --> 01:15:13,162 hate to say it. It's probably, 1291 01:15:18,340 --> 01:15:18,500 Well, 1292 01:15:18,539 --> 01:15:19,680 I think it's without equal. 1293 01:15:22,319 --> 01:15:24,542 Any time he plays anything, 1294 01:15:24,601 --> 01:15:27,722 regardless of whether it's a blues piece or a pop piece, or whatever, 1295 01:15:28,659 --> 01:15:32,823 he's got his own unmistakable stamp on it. 1296 01:15:35,465 --> 01:15:39,698 And I've always followed everything he does with great interest and enjoyment. 1297 01:15:40,027 --> 01:15:44,667 Eric's a classic electric blues guitar player based on the styles of 1298 01:15:45,698 --> 01:15:46,309 Buddy Guy. 1299 01:15:47,148 --> 01:16:03,130 Freddie King and people like that, that's where it all comes from. And of course, going back their styles and that kind of music goes back to country, blues, too. And Eric, of course, is very keen on that, well, that whole side of things. Ask 1300 01:16:03,208 --> 01:16:14,537 yourself, who'd watch for me a solitary voice to speak out and set me free? I hate to say it, 1301 01:16:15,804 --> 01:16:17,005 I hate to say, 1302 01:16:18,286 --> 01:16:19,467 but it's probably me. 1303 01:16:23,851 --> 01:16:27,578 I think what's cool about Eric is I don't think that he knows how good he is. 1304 01:16:28,914 --> 01:16:29,720 And that's cool. 1305 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:36,407 I don't think any player should have this idea that they're above leagues, 1306 01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:37,220 above anybody. 1307 01:16:37,265 --> 01:16:39,813 And there should be some humility behind it. 1308 01:16:40,313 --> 01:16:41,188 And he has that. 1309 01:16:44,304 --> 01:16:44,925 When you play, 1310 01:16:44,944 --> 01:16:46,145 you just play for the song. 1311 01:16:46,465 --> 01:16:46,685 I mean, 1312 01:16:46,707 --> 01:16:49,368 it's great to stand up on stage with Eric, 1313 01:16:50,949 --> 01:16:52,511 and he's going to play the song. 1314 01:16:53,551 --> 01:16:54,957 He's not going to do anything else. 1315 01:16:55,278 --> 01:16:56,153 He's going to play the song. 1316 01:16:56,653 --> 01:16:59,801 When he comes in to sit in with us or anybody else, 1317 01:17:00,434 --> 01:17:02,167 he comes up to play the song, 1318 01:17:03,105 --> 01:17:03,809 and that's great. 1319 01:17:04,403 --> 01:17:06,340 It makes the band look good, 1320 01:17:06,341 --> 01:17:07,449 it makes himself look good, 1321 01:17:07,559 --> 01:17:08,792 the whole thing sounds good. 1322 01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,965 It's crazy. 1323 01:17:12,966 --> 01:17:13,653 It makes no sense. 1324 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,498 It's only one voice that comes 1325 01:17:19,682 --> 01:17:20,123 to your defense, 1326 01:17:20,125 --> 01:17:21,305 and lose your result. 1327 01:17:22,466 --> 01:17:24,149 When your eyes search the room, 1328 01:17:24,688 --> 01:17:26,891 one thing to face is all you need to see 1329 01:17:30,595 --> 01:17:31,555 if that's one guy, 1330 01:17:33,070 --> 01:17:38,337 just one guy. The 90s were also to be the decade when Eric cleaned up his private life. 1331 01:17:38,884 --> 01:17:40,884 He stopped the intake of drugs and drink, 1332 01:17:41,164 --> 01:17:42,320 and set up Crossroads, 1333 01:17:42,476 --> 01:17:43,634 a clinic in Antigua. 1334 01:17:43,956 --> 01:17:47,055 To help both local and international casualties of addiction. 1335 01:17:47,735 --> 01:17:50,516 He sold his beloved guitars to fund the center. 1336 01:17:53,755 --> 01:17:57,856 It was painful drawing up the list more than anything, because deciding what, 1337 01:17:57,858 --> 01:18:02,787 because I kept quite a lot and looking at what I had was a shock. 1338 01:18:02,801 --> 01:18:03,568 I had no idea. 1339 01:18:04,301 --> 01:18:10,255 I felt quite guilty that I'd amassed that many guitars. And so part of it was like a very, 1340 01:18:10,318 --> 01:18:13,082 very good purging experience that I really thought it was. 1341 01:18:14,243 --> 01:18:33,806 Um, it was very kind of greedy to have all of them needed to move them, you know? But then, you know, each time I looked, ticked on them and then they thought, Well, you've got. One thing I know about this is this is like, I have a responsibility to share. I 1342 01:18:33,823 --> 01:18:42,587 will probably slip back into my old ways because I've, as I share this. As a human being, I get to, I get to recognize. Um, 1343 01:18:43,761 --> 01:18:45,042 what a great gift I have. 1344 01:18:45,622 --> 01:18:47,784 Every day is like a bonus, 1345 01:18:47,905 --> 01:18:48,163 really. 1346 01:18:48,344 --> 01:18:49,746 I'd have no right to be here, 1347 01:18:50,225 --> 01:18:54,207 considering the amount of situations that I put myself in. 1348 01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:55,471 I should be really in the ground. 1349 01:18:55,676 --> 01:18:57,051 But I've set a date, 1350 01:18:57,457 --> 01:19:00,613 which will be at the end of 2002, 1351 01:19:00,690 --> 01:19:01,784 when I will not work. 1352 01:19:03,503 --> 01:19:07,801 I've reached an age where that could be a call to retirement. 1353 01:19:07,846 --> 01:19:08,801 I don't think it will be. 1354 01:19:09,876 --> 01:19:12,359 But it is that thing I'm talking about. 1355 01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:15,159 We're actually having the guts to say, 1356 01:19:15,780 --> 01:19:15,902 no, 1357 01:19:15,979 --> 01:19:19,784 we won't do anything now for maybe a year or a couple of years. 1358 01:19:20,346 --> 01:19:22,667 And then see what happens on the other side of that. 1359 01:19:24,871 --> 01:19:27,627 It seems like Eric has now gone full circle in a way. 1360 01:19:28,315 --> 01:19:29,613 He's a teacher nowadays, 1361 01:19:29,894 --> 01:19:30,596 a counsellor. 1362 01:19:31,082 --> 01:19:33,565 He helps other people to deal with their addictions. 1363 01:19:34,175 --> 01:19:36,269 It shows that he's travelled far in his life. 1364 01:19:36,644 --> 01:19:38,488 But one thing has remained constant. 1365 01:19:38,988 --> 01:19:39,519 His music. 1366 01:19:40,060 --> 01:19:41,801 And his dedication to the blues. 1367 01:19:45,846 --> 01:19:46,104 Well, 1368 01:19:46,167 --> 01:19:50,967 I know he was a genius when I heard him in 1369 01:19:51,311 --> 01:19:52,373 John Bell Blues Band. 1370 01:19:53,029 --> 01:19:54,537 He's a dedicated blues man. 1371 01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,085 I don't know him to play anything else but the blues. 1372 01:19:59,896 --> 01:20:00,521 When he played rock, 1373 01:20:00,523 --> 01:20:01,365 it was the rock blues. 1374 01:20:03,475 --> 01:20:04,115 He can do it all, 1375 01:20:04,162 --> 01:20:05,100 but it's all the blues. 1376 01:20:06,990 --> 01:20:07,740 And he loved it. 1377 01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,364 I think he has dedicated himself to what he loves. 1378 01:20:12,365 --> 01:20:14,907 He has dedicated his whole life to his music. 1379 01:20:15,024 --> 01:20:16,289 And when you do that, 1380 01:20:17,509 --> 01:20:19,634 you'll be the best that you can. 1381 01:20:19,712 --> 01:20:21,814 And he is the best that you can get. 1382 01:20:24,118 --> 01:20:26,064 It's not a life of milk and honey, 1383 01:20:26,172 --> 01:20:26,797 this stuff. 1384 01:20:26,798 --> 01:20:27,282 You know what I mean? 1385 01:20:28,141 --> 01:20:29,032 On the surface, 1386 01:20:29,657 --> 01:20:30,516 from outside, 1387 01:20:30,564 --> 01:20:32,376 I can understand everybody. 1388 01:20:32,422 --> 01:20:32,782 You know, 1389 01:20:32,876 --> 01:20:33,782 you're a millionaire, 1390 01:20:33,939 --> 01:20:34,672 rock star. 1391 01:20:34,766 --> 01:20:35,141 But, 1392 01:20:35,220 --> 01:20:35,360 uh, 1393 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,166 But the fact is that Eric's still got to get to the crossroads. 1394 01:20:43,364 --> 01:20:43,947 So do I. 1395 01:20:45,466 --> 01:20:46,666 Because there's not just one. 1396 01:20:47,228 --> 01:20:48,610 There are several crossroads. 1397 01:20:50,391 --> 01:20:51,735 And if you think there's just one, 1398 01:20:51,891 --> 01:20:52,095 well, 1399 01:20:52,291 --> 01:20:52,978 look out now. 1400 01:21:22,744 --> 01:21:22,925 It's 1401 01:21:23,064 --> 01:21:27,306 late in the evening, 1402 01:21:29,354 --> 01:21:33,088 she's wondering what goes to bed. 1403 01:21:36,055 --> 01:21:45,005 She'll put on her makeup and brushes a long, 1404 01:21:45,426 --> 01:21:49,091 long hair. 1405 01:21:49,091 --> 01:21:49,887 Eric's just the best. 1406 01:21:50,731 --> 01:21:51,372 No question. 1407 01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:52,693 I was very, 1408 01:21:52,755 --> 01:21:57,582 very fortunate to have played with him and to have been influenced by him. 1409 01:21:58,224 --> 01:21:59,332 He's also a great teacher, 1410 01:21:59,412 --> 01:22:01,599 which people probably don't mention. 1411 01:22:02,764 --> 01:22:09,731 He taught me a lot of things about myself and about music that I will never forget. 1412 01:22:11,193 --> 01:22:12,731 I'm so thankful for that. 1413 01:22:13,756 --> 01:22:13,912 Well, 1414 01:22:13,912 --> 01:22:16,497 he's one of these people who immediately picks up. 1415 01:22:16,539 --> 01:22:17,020 The guitar, 1416 01:22:17,020 --> 01:22:18,161 it plays the first note, 1417 01:22:18,202 --> 01:22:19,021 and there's that very, 1418 01:22:19,082 --> 01:22:20,262 very clear signature. 1419 01:22:20,863 --> 01:22:21,145 You know, 1420 01:22:21,243 --> 01:22:23,207 it's like hearing 1421 01:22:25,305 --> 01:22:26,609 Stevie Wonder play the harmonica, 1422 01:22:26,610 --> 01:22:28,570 or Stevie Wonder play the 1423 01:22:29,032 --> 01:22:29,734 hammond organ. 1424 01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:31,953 It's immediately recognizable. 1425 01:22:32,195 --> 01:22:33,134 It just comes through. 1426 01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:33,289 Oh, 1427 01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:33,837 that's Eric. 1428 01:22:33,884 --> 01:22:35,164 That's Stevie. 1429 01:22:36,493 --> 01:22:39,009 And so you're playing with a legend. 1430 01:22:40,195 --> 01:22:41,476 You're playing with a real human being, 1431 01:22:41,478 --> 01:22:42,945 but also you're playing with a legend. 1432 01:22:42,962 --> 01:22:45,149 And I'm never blasé about that. 1433 01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,688 I don't know the feeling I get when 1434 01:23:22,461 --> 01:23:27,351 I miss you. 1435 01:23:27,353 --> 01:23:28,813 We got heartaches every day. 1436 01:23:28,814 --> 01:23:30,757 You don't know me. 1437 01:23:33,461 --> 01:23:35,569 He's one of the best blues guitarists that there is, 1438 01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:37,586 I think. 1439 01:23:38,336 --> 01:23:41,961 One of the reasons I love standing on stage with him is to enjoy going down there. 1440 01:23:42,768 --> 01:23:43,568 You're getting up and playing. 1441 01:23:43,708 --> 01:23:47,988 Apart from the fact that there was just no pressure. Because you're on the side and you're just playing, 1442 01:23:48,167 --> 01:23:49,307 it's just to listen to the song, 1443 01:23:49,371 --> 01:23:50,210 listen to his voice. 1444 01:23:50,588 --> 01:23:53,850 It always seemed to me to have that soul, 1445 01:23:54,069 --> 01:23:54,554 you know, 1446 01:23:54,890 --> 01:23:56,773 a soul about not just about his playing, 1447 01:23:56,774 --> 01:23:57,875 but his singing, too, 1448 01:23:58,569 --> 01:23:59,631 which people tend to forget. 1449 01:24:00,350 --> 01:24:01,413 He's a really good singer. 1450 01:24:01,414 --> 01:24:08,350 I've been such a jamming brother. 1451 01:24:11,837 --> 01:24:16,782 I'm not a terrorist. 1452 01:24:16,783 --> 01:24:17,605 I'm not a terrorist. 1453 01:24:19,286 --> 01:24:20,270 I'm not a terrorist. 1454 01:24:20,286 --> 01:24:22,886 I'm not a terrorist. 1455 01:24:22,887 --> 01:24:23,386 I'm not a terrorist. 1456 01:24:23,426 --> 01:24:25,192 I'm not a terrorist. 1457 01:24:25,215 --> 01:24:27,636 I'm not a terrorist. 1458 01:24:27,637 --> 01:24:28,230 I'm not a terrorist. 1459 01:24:28,231 --> 01:24:29,199 I'm not a terrorist. 1460 01:24:29,261 --> 01:24:30,230 I'm not a terrorist. 1461 01:24:30,231 --> 01:24:30,917 I'm not a terrorist. 1462 01:24:30,918 --> 01:24:33,417 I'm not a terrorist. 1463 01:24:33,418 --> 01:24:36,059 Eric will definitely be a major influence for... 1464 01:24:37,904 --> 01:24:40,706 Basically, from now on, 1465 01:24:41,127 --> 01:24:42,627 as far as guitar players are concerned. 1466 01:24:42,967 --> 01:24:44,069 When you mention guitar, 1467 01:24:44,248 --> 01:24:45,908 Eric's name always comes up. 1468 01:24:47,011 --> 01:24:47,792 Always comes up. 1469 01:24:48,713 --> 01:24:51,314 And that's a great thing. 1470 01:24:57,689 --> 01:25:00,189 It's... 1471 01:25:09,537 --> 01:25:22,204 Oh, um, 1472 01:25:24,539 --> 01:25:25,900 I respond in a very, 1473 01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:29,865 very instinctive way to something that's new and powerful. 1474 01:25:29,886 --> 01:25:35,033 And I don't really often know quite what it is that causes that. 1475 01:25:35,073 --> 01:25:35,268 I mean, 1476 01:25:36,136 --> 01:25:36,612 I am very, 1477 01:25:36,689 --> 01:25:41,573 very stimulated by design of any kind, 1478 01:25:41,869 --> 01:25:45,275 even musical design and visual design. 1479 01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:47,729 So good songwriting, 1480 01:25:49,042 --> 01:25:50,042 great songwriting, 1481 01:25:50,104 --> 01:25:51,167 great playing. 1482 01:25:51,855 --> 01:25:52,636 Great singing, 1483 01:25:52,856 --> 01:25:53,898 great drawing, 1484 01:25:53,997 --> 01:25:55,920 great designing, 1485 01:25:56,801 --> 01:25:58,083 hits the same point in me. 1486 01:25:58,622 --> 01:25:59,922 And if I get excited, 1487 01:26:00,485 --> 01:26:01,845 that's the first thing that happens. 1488 01:26:01,868 --> 01:26:04,791 And then I kind of got to sit down and figure out why, 1489 01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:05,791 usually. 1490 01:26:05,947 --> 01:26:06,189 I mean, 1491 01:26:06,252 --> 01:26:14,422 I have to try and do a bit of analysis to understand what it is about, the form of that thing that is causing that effect, 1492 01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:14,720 you know. 1493 01:26:15,922 --> 01:26:17,766 And that's the kind of academic side of it, 1494 01:26:17,797 --> 01:26:18,220 I guess. 1495 01:26:18,658 --> 01:26:19,158 But they're all, 1496 01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:19,422 to me, 1497 01:26:19,516 --> 01:26:20,627 part of the same picture. 1498 01:26:21,408 --> 01:26:24,877 And it's usually to do with the kind of, 1499 01:26:25,539 --> 01:26:26,801 with purity and tradition, 1500 01:26:26,859 --> 01:26:27,141 you know. 1501 01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:10,395 That's a great point. 1502 01:27:11,055 --> 01:27:11,715 Thank you. 1503 01:27:11,734 --> 01:27:11,976 Thank you. 1504 01:27:11,978 --> 01:27:12,317 Thank you. 1505 01:27:12,318 --> 01:27:12,515 Thank you. 1506 01:27:12,516 --> 01:27:12,715 Thank you. 1507 01:27:12,716 --> 01:27:12,938 Thank you. 1508 01:27:12,939 --> 01:27:13,157 Thank you. 1509 01:27:13,158 --> 01:27:14,059 Thank you. 1510 01:27:14,060 --> 01:27:14,301 Thank you. 1511 01:27:14,301 --> 01:27:14,536 Thank you. 1512 01:27:14,559 --> 01:27:14,817 Thank you. 1513 01:27:14,818 --> 01:27:15,082 Thank you. 1514 01:27:15,082 --> 01:27:15,378 Thank you. 1515 01:27:18,003 --> 01:27:19,363 Thank you. 1516 01:27:19,442 --> 01:27:20,222 Thank you. 1517 01:27:20,347 --> 01:27:20,761 Thank you. 1518 01:27:22,270 --> 01:27:22,661 Thank you. 1519 01:27:22,801 --> 01:27:23,082 Thank you. 1520 01:27:23,082 --> 01:27:24,692 Thank you. 1521 01:27:24,722 --> 01:27:25,051 Thank you. 1522 01:27:25,051 --> 01:27:25,270 Thank you. 1523 01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:25,628 Thank you. 1524 01:27:25,753 --> 01:27:25,972 Thank you. 1525 01:27:25,974 --> 01:27:26,270 Thank you. 1526 01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:29,332 Thank you. 1527 01:27:29,347 --> 01:27:29,926 Thank you. 1528 01:27:29,957 --> 01:27:30,176 Thank you. 1529 01:27:30,176 --> 01:27:30,457 Thank you. 1530 01:27:30,551 --> 01:27:30,895 Thank you. 1531 01:27:30,895 --> 01:27:32,161 I'm sorry. 1532 01:27:55,289 --> 01:27:57,152 He's a very integrated person now, 1533 01:27:57,332 --> 01:27:57,733 I feel. 1534 01:27:58,354 --> 01:28:02,677 There's an edge of melancholy about the man and a seriousness about the man, 1535 01:28:02,698 --> 01:28:06,604 but that really is a pillar of strength, 1536 01:28:06,619 --> 01:28:06,877 you know. 1537 01:28:07,337 --> 01:28:07,681 And 1538 01:28:10,167 --> 01:28:12,081 I respect him deeply. 1539 01:28:12,189 --> 01:28:14,893 He's a very serious man. 1540 01:28:15,752 --> 01:28:21,470 One thing that I like about Eric is he appreciates... 1541 01:28:23,474 --> 01:28:29,038 What he has learned from the different musics that he's listened to, 1542 01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:30,082 blues. 1543 01:28:31,426 --> 01:28:34,402 When we did the nights at Albert Hall, 1544 01:28:35,667 --> 01:28:37,730 about 90, and I guess it was 91, maybe. 1545 01:28:38,203 --> 01:28:38,484 That year, 1546 01:28:39,204 --> 01:28:39,626 those years, 1547 01:28:39,966 --> 01:28:41,747 bringing people like Johnny Johnson, 1548 01:28:42,067 --> 01:28:42,930 Albert Collins, 1549 01:28:42,970 --> 01:28:51,134 and Buddy Guy and the Blues people to having those different nights that he had with all the different music. 1550 01:28:51,414 --> 01:28:52,078 That's great. 1551 01:28:53,282 --> 01:28:54,484 That's a great thing to do. 1552 01:28:55,078 --> 01:28:55,828 That brings, 1553 01:28:56,265 --> 01:29:02,734 that shows respect to the people who he's learned from and has respect for. 1554 01:29:03,515 --> 01:29:06,828 And Eric does things like that, too. 1555 01:29:07,301 --> 01:29:10,845 To come out to Austin to do the tribute for Stevie Ray Vaughan, 1556 01:29:11,104 --> 01:29:13,550 what I thought was an excellent thing that he's done. 1557 01:29:13,588 --> 01:29:13,706 And, 1558 01:29:14,027 --> 01:29:14,248 you know, 1559 01:29:14,269 --> 01:29:17,752 he's just a very passionate and kind-hearted soul. 1560 01:29:21,494 --> 01:29:26,925 And she asked, 1561 01:29:26,926 --> 01:29:27,925 Do you feel of me? 1562 01:29:28,269 --> 01:29:32,800 And I said, 1563 01:29:32,801 --> 01:29:33,206 Yes, 1564 01:29:33,207 --> 01:29:35,675 I feel of you. 1565 01:29:40,369 --> 01:29:41,149 Two, 1566 01:29:41,190 --> 01:29:44,511 three. 1567 01:29:44,569 --> 01:29:50,354 When I feel all the glory, 1568 01:29:50,769 --> 01:29:55,800 when I see the light in these girls' 1569 01:29:55,831 --> 01:29:56,627 eyes, 1570 01:29:58,377 --> 01:30:05,533 in the wonder of it all, 1571 01:30:05,769 --> 01:30:06,862 to just... 1572 01:30:12,434 --> 01:30:18,180 With anything that I said about to do, there's the idea which is kind of perfect, 1573 01:30:18,854 --> 01:30:35,055 the seed of the idea which is perfect. And then when you make it into reality, it becomes human and it becomes fallible, and it becomes not quite right. And then the rest of the journey is about trying to get it to fit the way it did. In my head, to try and make that as 1574 01:30:35,132 --> 01:30:41,351 close as I as what I believe God would want me to do. As I get older, I take much more time 1575 01:30:42,297 --> 01:30:53,112 deliberating over any one of these crossroads things. And but I don't for a minute imagine that they'll ever go away. And I think that's part of the journey. For as long as I shall be alive.115239

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