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How far back does
possible CIA involvement with
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drug smuggling go?
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I don't know, but if you
go back and you look at
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the evidence, we were supplying
cocaine into the US
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to finance the Contras.
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And on the return trips,
we were bringing weapons.
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My friends that were CIA pilots
were flying the cocaine
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into US military bases.
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So is this
a systemic corruption?
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Yes, sir.
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Let's face it.
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There are so many government
conspiracies, it can be hard to
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tell what's real
and what's not.
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My name is Andrew Bustamante,
and I am a former
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covert CIA intelligence officer.
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And I'm going to pressure test
the most sensational,
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ripped-from-the-headlines
conspiracy theories out there
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to help you separate fact
from fiction.
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Chaos is unfolding in
Mexico after the killing of
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the country's most powerful
cartel leader.
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The Mexican army killed
the leader
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of the Jalisco
New Generation Cartel.
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You're looking at him here.
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February 2026.
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The Mexican army takes out
El Mencho, and within hours,
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violence erupts across
the region,
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from Puerto Vallarta to
Mexico City.
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The death of the drug lord
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set off several hours of
roadblocks.
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This was a Mexican military
operation, support from CIA,
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and it seemed like a pretty
massive success, taking out
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a cartel leader who was
trafficking fentanyl and other
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dangerous drugs into
the United States.
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So why doesn't this moment feel
more triumphant?
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You can see the incredible
deadly power this cartel has
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just south of
the US border.
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How did they get so
rich and powerful?
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The Jalisco New Generation
Cartel has declared that
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they're going to be attacking
Americans next.
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Agents with the US Customs
and Border Protection
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are on heightened alert,
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after new alleged threats
from the cartel.
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Yes, a major cartel boss
is dead.
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But the bigger question is,
what does that change?
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Why are drugs still pouring
across our borders?
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And why does it feel like
no matter how many raids
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or arrests happen, the system
never really changes?
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America's public enemy number
one is drug abuse.
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We're just gonna
kill people
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that are bringing drugs
into our country.
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The fact that the war on drugs
seems to have little effect on
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this tide of narcotics has
long fueled conspiracy theories
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that the government doesn't
really want to win the war.
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But even more troubling is
the idea that my own agency,
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the CIA, has been accused of
working alongside
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drug traffickers to move
their product into
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my own country.
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That makes this the most
personal investigation
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for me yet.
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In this episode, I'm going to
follow the evidence
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from covert wars overseas to
the streets here at home.
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I'm going to track down
a former DEA officer who says
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that he saw the corruption
up close.
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We were fighting ourselves.
We were the enemy.
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I'll investigate how covert
operations from Vietnam to
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Afghanistan may have shaped
the current drug war.
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And to probe the idea that
the drug war has become a means
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to control here in the US,
I link up with a privacy
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activist who exposes a tracking
system originally built to hunt
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drug traffickers that
he believes is monitoring
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everyday Americans.
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It's a very powerful tool
and a very dangerous tool.
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All to answer a question that
might explain everything--
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if the war on drugs is real,
then why are cartels wealthier
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and more powerful than
ever before?
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Because if the answer to that
question isn't what we think,
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maybe there never really was
a war at all.
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When you investigate
a conspiracy, the hardest part
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is separating three things.
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What's documented,
what shows up as a pattern,
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and what do people believe
but still can't prove?
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That's what
I'm trying to do here.
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I'm on my way to meet
with a longtime colleague from
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the DEA named Cele.
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Cele made his career combating
drug trade, and I feel like if
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I'm going to understand cartels
and how they operate,
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I need to understand how drugs
cross international borders.
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If drugs are the enemy
and billions of dollars are
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spent on enforcement, why do
narcotics still make it across
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the border every single day?
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Cele, how did you get involved
in this war on drugs?
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Well, first and foremost,
I come from a very...
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patriotic family, military
and law enforcement family.
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What got me really into
the war on drugs was
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what I experienced in Vietnam.
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I saw one of my friends
shooting up heroin and ODing
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after a firefight, and that was
when I decided that I wanted to
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be a drug agent.
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After Vietnam,
Cele Castillo
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didn't walk away from the fight.
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He just found
a new battlefield.
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He joined the Drug Enforcement
Administration in the 1970s,
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chasing heroin dealers on
the mean streets of New York.
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But by the early 1980s,
cocaine was exploding
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onto the global stage,
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and the DEA sent him into
the belly of the beast,
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Central America,
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ground zero for the cocaine
pipelines feeding
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the United States.
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So I asked Cele to show me
something most people
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never see,
the cat and mouse game
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between smugglers
and law enforcement.
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Now, this isn't real cocaine.
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What is this mixture that
you have here?
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It's flour,
little bit of sugar.
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My understanding is you also
added something to it to make
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it smell like cocaine?
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Yeah, you break it down
in the lab,
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and then it's processed
with ether,
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and you make it into
100% pure cocaine.
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So what the dogs smell isn't
necessarily the cocaine itself.
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It's the ether, yes.
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If drugs are still
getting through,
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is it because we can't
detect them?
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Or is something else
going wrong?
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To find out, I'm going to test
if we can get a substance that
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looks and smells like cocaine
past one of the most common
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lines of defense,
a trained drug detection dog.
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So what we're doing is taking
the powder and masking it.
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How do we actually do that?
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The kilo itself is already
compressed and taped.
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And then we sprinkle coffee
grounds mostly on top,
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drop the coffee grounds
on there.
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Cele shows me how
traffickers conceal drugs,
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masking the scent with
coffee grounds and tape.
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You go forward and then
you go sideways and--
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- In a pattern.
- Yeah.
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And hiding them inside massive
shipments of everyday goods.
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It's not just about
beating detection,
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it's about overwhelming
the system and relying on
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the fact that no one has time
to check everything.
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Now, I have a friend
who actually trains
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drug detection dogs.
- Mm-hmm.
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If I take this and I test it
against a trained dog...
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- He's gonna miss it.
- But if we take them both?
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- Yeah, he'll hit on this one.
- So if you'll hide
that one...
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- Yeah.
- I'll bury this,
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and I'll bury it under onions
and grapefruit.
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OK.
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You ready to go smuggle
some drugs?
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Sure, let's go do that.
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So here's what we're doing.
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We'll load Celerino's vehicle
with the produce
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and the containers of
mock cocaine.
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One box of produce contains
the wrapped drugs.
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Another box contains
the unwrapped one.
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My SUV will be the control
vehicle, meaning there will be
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no drugs in the car.
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I'll go in first,
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while Celerino hangs back for
our cue to come in.
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Jordan, thank you so much for
coming out.
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Absolutely.
Good to see you again, Andy.
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Jordan Henderson is
a professional dog handler
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who trains sniffer dogs for
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law enforcement agencies all
over the country.
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He has no idea which vehicle
the drugs are in.
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If his dogs can sniff them out,
we can safely eliminate
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border detection as the problem.
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This is Atlas.
She's five years old.
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She's a Belgian Malinois.
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What language are you
speaking to her?
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My dogs are trained
in Swahili.
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It does aid us to say things
that the average person
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doesn't know.
- Oh, cool.
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She's trained dual purpose--
protection-apprehension work,
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detection, and tracking.
- Wow.
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Same with her daughter,
Agojie, up here.
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So this is her daughter.
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She's about 10 months now,
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and she already certified in
odor detection.
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Can you tell me a little bit
about how the dogs work?
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Yeah.
So from the time that these
dogs are born,
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their eyes aren't open.
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So everything they do is
through their nose, right?
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So they're trying to find mom
through her scent.
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They're trying to find milk.
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So we get the odor that the dog
is gonna be detecting,
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and we put it on her stomach.
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So since the dogs are
three days old, they're already
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associating that smell with
the thing that they want most
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in life, which is milk.
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We'll just let her know what
we're doing.
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Now, what did you just do with
what looked like a toy?
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I'm just letting her know,
hey, I have something
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rewardable for you to work,
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and then give her
a search command.
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And right now, I'm just
watching for any head snaps,
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any interest in your vehicle
that you brought here.
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What are the cues that you're
seeing, if you don't mind
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kind of translating them for me?
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Yeah, so right now
she's pretty flat.
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She's checking door seams,
which she's trained to do.
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I see her ears laying flat.
Does that cue anything at all?
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Ears up would be interesting,
but she circled the vehicle
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twice, and she's going,
hey, dude,
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there's nothing here.
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And I'm going to give her
her toy,
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reward her for just looking.
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Now for the real test,
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to see if a Agojie will detect
the scent of cocaine
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hidden in Celerino's vehicle.
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- How are you, sir?
- And this is a Agojie.
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I'll just have you step away
from the car
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a little bit for me.
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Yeah, mama.
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So I saw a little
head snap there.
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Another one right there.
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I'm just gonna let her...
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- Wow!
- Did you see that?
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Ears up.
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That's that look I was talking
about before.
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So when she stops like that
and I put tension on the line,
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we call it line checking.
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I say, "Are you sure?"
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If she stays there and pushes
into it, there's something here.
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- OK.
- Send her back
to the car.
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Wow, look at her go.
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- You see that freeze?
- Yep.
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- I line check her.
- Look at that.
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Whoo!
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So I'll pull out what she was
scenting on
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and I'll take it out
of the way.
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She's so fast, too.
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Yeah, that box in
the back left corner.
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There we go.
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You want to reveal what's in
these boxes?
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Absolutely.
Here we go.
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Wow.
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So inside this is a mock
cocaine concoction laced with
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the same smell of real cocaine.
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So it's got the ether smell
that would come
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with genuine cocaine.
- Yeah.
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In this box, we have
the same thing,
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only it hasn't been
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wrapped and disguised.
- Wrapped, ah,
yeah, yeah.
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But we tried to disguise
them with onions, coffee.
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Yeah, and that's not
gonna work.
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They have so many nerve
endings at the end of
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their nose that we can't even
conceptualize
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their true potential.
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This was a 10-month-old dog
that just nailed us.
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- Impressed.
- I am absolutely
speechless.
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- Jordan, thank you so much.
- I appreciate you guys.
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- Thank you so much, dude.
- Awesome.
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Yeah.
Come on, girl.
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Here's what
the experiment showed me.
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It's not that we don't know
how to find drugs.
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We do.
The dogs work.
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The detection works.
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But that's only one part
of the system.
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Because dogs can't search
every truck, every car,
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every container
crossing the border.
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Agents have to prioritize.
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And the moment you rely on
human judgment...
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that's where things can
break down.
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That's where incentives
and corruption
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can enter the picture.
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Now what the cartels are doing
are sending their own guys into
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the Border Patrol Academy.
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Yeah, we had one guy that let
the trucks come in and he did
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that for many years
and finally got caught.
- What?
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Do you have evidence of this?
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Yes, yes, it's very
well documented.
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Jorge Jimenez was charged with
conspiracy to commit
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wire fraud, paid off by
Mexican smugglers
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to pass through
the I-19 checkpoint
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without inspection.
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If there's corruption
happening at the border,
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how much further does
the corruption go?
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- The highest level
of our government.
- Wow.
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Cele's making a big claim.
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He and others believe
the real vulnerability isn't
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the border itself.
It's corruption.
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He says it goes
all the way to the top
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of the US government, even to
my former agency.
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CIA are complicit in
the drug trade,
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supporting covert operations.
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And if he is right, that could
mean something very different
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about how this system
actually works.
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And Cele says he has
first-hand knowledge that
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he thinks proves it.
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Coming up, what if the reason
we never won the war on drugs
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is because stopping drugs was
never the top priority?
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We were the enemy.
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We were the ones that were
involved in
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drug trafficking, corruption.
- And then...
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We'd be on military missions.
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We'd land a helicopter
in a field.
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Wherever you went,
there was poppy.
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It was like corn in Nebraska.
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Our experiment proved that
we know how to find drugs.
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There we go.
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So if the drugs kept moving,
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the question becomes,
who was letting them move?
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For Cele, that answer started
in Central America.
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Because instead of just
finding traffickers,
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he says he found
something else.
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Some of us were putting
our lives on the line to fight
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this so-called war on drugs,
but I ended up seeing
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and realizing that
we were the enemy.
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We were the ones that were
involved in drug trafficking,
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corruption, you name it.
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At the time, President Reagan
was obsessed with overthrowing
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Nicaragua's communist
government, and he ordered
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the CIA to train and help fund
a right-wing rebel army
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called the Contras.
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Now, the people that
are so-called Contras,
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they're demanding a restoration
of the democratic goals
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of the-- of the revolution.
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And we feel obligated to give
them support.
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But after Congress
banned military support for
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the Contras,
the war didn't just stop.
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According to Cele, the funding
just went underground.
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As long as there is breath in
this body, I will speak
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and work, strive, and struggle
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for the cause of the Nicaraguan
freedom fighters.
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We were supplying cocaine
into the US,
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and on the return trips,
we were bringing weapons
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to finance the Contras.
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My friends that were CIA pilots
were flying the cocaine
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into US military bases,
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and one of them was in
Fort Worth, Texas.
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If the CIA has, at times,
facilitated drug trafficking
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during covert operations,
I want to know
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how far back that goes.
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So I'm reaching out to
Alfred McCoy, one of the first
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researchers to investigate
the global heroin trade
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and its links to covert
US operations.
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How far back does possible
CIA involvement with
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drug smuggling go?
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In the Cold War, the CIA was
operating covertly,
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and drug smuggling is simply
a manifestation of an alliance
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that started with the dawn of
the CIA and the dawn of
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the Cold War.
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Whenever operatives during
the Cold War were sent to
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conduct covert operations,
they needed local assets.
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And the most likely place to
find them, time and time again,
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was in this covert netherworld.
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So the connection is really
through local people who are
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already engaged in the drug
trade, is that correct?
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That's correct, yeah.
Right.
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When the Vietnam War started
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in 1964-65,
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the CIA mobilizes a 30,000-man
army, largely from
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the Hmong highland population.
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The CIA's war in Laos
is one of the least understood
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chapters of the Cold War,
a conflict fought almost
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entirely in the shadows,
with very few Americans even
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aware it was happening.
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A handful of CIA operatives
were tasked with running
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an entire covert war,
building and directing this
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30,000-man proxy army to block
communist expansion and disrupt
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the Ho Chi Minh Trail,
the main avenue for
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the communist North Vietnamese
to access South Vietnam.
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McCoy was one of
the few Western journalists
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who actually made it into this
hidden battlefield,
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risking his life to document
what America was really doing
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inside this secret war.
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Now, those Hmong villages have
a very simple economy.
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They grow sticky rice
for subsistence
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and they grew opium.
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And opium was
the source of cash
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that sustained
those communities.
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The CIA's Air America started
carrying the opium
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for those villagers.
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I started investigating.
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I got an interpreter
and a photographer,
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and I interviewed farmer
after farmer.
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The story was the same.
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They grew five,
maybe 10 kilos of opium.
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They took the opium down to
the helicopter landing pad.
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The Air America helicopter
flew in.
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Hmong officers in the CIA
secret army got out, paid them
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cash for the opium.
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They loaded the opium on
the aircraft and the aircraft
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flew off to the CIA base in
Long Tieng.
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And if I'm understanding you,
the reason CIA was turning
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a blind eye was because
the larger priority in
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the region was being able to
protect Northern Laos,
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keep the communists out
and ensure that
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Southern Vietnamese forces had
the best opportunity to win
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in the North?
- Exactly.
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So suppression and cover-up of
this necessary complicity
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in the opium traffic was
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a necessary part of
that mission.
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But that doesn't prove
that the CIA was
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running drugs as policy.
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What it does show is something
narrower and possibly
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more believable.
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When covert missions rely on
local allies already involved
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in the drug trade,
narcotics were often tolerated
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if the larger strategic goals
mattered more.
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That's not the same
as ordering it, but it can
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lead to the same results.
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During the Cold War,
the objective was
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stopping communism.
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But ten years later,
when the US
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went into Afghanistan
after 9/11,
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that priority shifted
to terrorism.
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Today we focus on Afghanistan,
but the battle is broader.
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In the face of today's new
threat, the only way to pursue
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peace is to pursue those
who threaten it.
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The question is,
when the US
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went to Afghanistan, knowing it
was the center of
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the global heroin trade,
what did we do about it?
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I'm reaching out to a former
"60 Minutes" producer who spent
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months embedded with US
forces in southern Afghanistan.
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How would you characterize
the coexistence of conflict
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and drugs in Afghanistan?
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The one thing I noticed
the most was...
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poppy.
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You know, it was everywhere.
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And we'd be on
military missions.
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We'd land a helicopter
in a field.
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Wherever you went,
there was poppy.
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It was like corn in Nebraska.
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And you'd think that
if the US military
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is gonna solve a problem
with drugs,
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it would be doing it
in the middle of that.
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But it wasn't anything
like that.
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They were going specifically
after targets and they just
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walked through the fields like
it was no big deal.
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There was nothing on the ground
that showed me that they really
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cared to eradicate the drugs
coming out of Afghanistan.
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Different war,
same outcome.
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Here's what's documented.
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Covert wars where drug
production expanded
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instead of disappeared.
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Here's what shows up as
a pattern--
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when larger strategic goals
took priority,
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stopping drugs moved to
the bottom of the list.
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And here's what's
still unproven.
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Whether that tolerance was
policy or simply the cost of
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doing business in the shadows.
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Either way,
the result was the same.
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The drugs kept moving
and eventually they came home.
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2
If drugs weren't being stopped
overseas, the next question is,
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did those same networks help
enable them here at home?
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To find out,
I go back to Cele,
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who believes the pipeline
didn't just exist overseas,
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it reached the United States.
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The Contra War unfolded at
the same time the United States
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was entering one of the most
devastating drug crises
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in its history--
the crack epidemic.
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To keep the war alive,
Cele claims he discovered
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the CIA was helping the Contras
traffic mass massive quantities
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of cocaine into
the United States.
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Drugs would fly north,
and then the planes would
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return with arms.
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Cele even provided
a sworn report
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to the House Intelligence
Committee on what
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he found, and has spent
the next four decades
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making a claim that
still divides
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investigators and historians of
CIA's secret wars.
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There is evidence the Contras
in Nicaragua were smuggling
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drugs to pay for their own
revolutionary operations.
- Mm-hmm.
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But I haven't seen anything
that says that it was
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sanctioned by
the US government.
- Yeah.
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That distinction matters.
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There's evidence Contra
traffickers moved cocaine,
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and that some of those same
networks overlapped with
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covert US operations.
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What's harder to prove
is intent-- whether that was
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tolerated, ignored,
or directed from above.
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That's the line
I'm trying to find.
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You're not going to find much
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because everything was stopped
by the CIA.
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If you look at the history,
you go back to
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the French connection.
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You go back to the Cuban exiles
that were running drugs.
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You can always say, well,
there were individuals.
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Yeah, but they were approved
and sanctioned by the CIA.
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One of the most controversial
connections comes from
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Los Angeles drug kingpin
"Freeway" Rick Ross,
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who claimed he was supplied with
a seemingly endless
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supply of cocaine by
a Nicaraguan trafficker
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named Danilo Blandon.
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Blandon, who is very well
documented as CIA asset,
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he ran the smuggling of drugs
for the Contra,
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delivering hundreds of kilos of
cocaine to Ricky Ross...
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to start the crack epidemic.
492
00:24:07,701 --> 00:24:11,000
He was approved by the CIA to
do all this.
493
00:24:11,167 --> 00:24:14,467
What Cele's claiming is
just that-- a claim.
494
00:24:14,634 --> 00:24:17,200
It's hard to prove whether
Blandon's drug pipeline was
495
00:24:17,367 --> 00:24:19,400
part of an approved
US operation,
496
00:24:19,567 --> 00:24:22,200
or if he was just a trafficker
exploiting a war for
497
00:24:22,367 --> 00:24:23,868
his own gain.
498
00:24:24,033 --> 00:24:25,968
The US government denies
any role in
499
00:24:26,133 --> 00:24:27,767
fueling the nation's
crack epidemic.
500
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,868
But Cele's also not the only
one to raise that flag.
501
00:24:33,567 --> 00:24:36,400
In the 1990s, journalist
Gary Webb published
502
00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:38,667
a series called
the "Dark Alliance,"
503
00:24:38,834 --> 00:24:42,167
linking cocaine traffickers
connected to the Contras to
504
00:24:42,334 --> 00:24:45,000
the rise of crack in
Los Angeles.
505
00:24:45,167 --> 00:24:48,167
I did a series that said that
the crack market in
506
00:24:48,334 --> 00:24:50,801
South Central Los Angeles
had been created
507
00:24:50,968 --> 00:24:52,467
in the early 1980s with
the help of
508
00:24:52,634 --> 00:24:53,633
this Contra drug ring.
509
00:24:53,634 --> 00:24:56,467
And it ended up being
a huge controversy.
510
00:24:56,634 --> 00:24:59,601
His reporting ignited
a national firestorm.
511
00:24:59,767 --> 00:25:01,400
I will tell you,
Director Deutch, as a former
512
00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:04,367
Los Angeles police narcotics
detective, that the agency has
513
00:25:04,534 --> 00:25:06,667
dealt drugs throughout this
country for a long time.
514
00:25:09,033 --> 00:25:12,400
But Webb's reporting was also
met with fierce criticism.
515
00:25:12,567 --> 00:25:15,367
Major outlets like the
LA Times, the New York Times,
516
00:25:15,534 --> 00:25:18,367
and the Washington Post
pushed back hard,
517
00:25:18,534 --> 00:25:20,701
challenging both
his conclusions
518
00:25:20,868 --> 00:25:22,167
and the strength
of his evidence.
519
00:25:23,501 --> 00:25:26,601
The controversy then prompted
a hefty two-year investigation
520
00:25:26,767 --> 00:25:30,167
by the CIA's inspector general,
Frederick Hitz.
521
00:25:30,334 --> 00:25:34,567
I want to make clear that
we found absolutely no evidence
522
00:25:34,734 --> 00:25:37,968
to indicate that CIA as
an organization
523
00:25:38,133 --> 00:25:40,701
or its employees
were involved in
524
00:25:40,868 --> 00:25:43,367
any conspiracy
to bring drugs into
525
00:25:43,534 --> 00:25:44,901
the United States.
526
00:25:45,067 --> 00:25:47,267
Even if not all of
Webb's conclusions held,
527
00:25:47,434 --> 00:25:51,167
his reporting forced a national
conversation about how deeply
528
00:25:51,334 --> 00:25:52,667
these drug networks may have
529
00:25:52,834 --> 00:25:54,968
overlapped with covert US
operations.
530
00:25:55,133 --> 00:26:00,100
The least we could do is
develop public policy that will
531
00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:05,367
indicate that drug trafficking
can never be used in any covert
532
00:26:05,534 --> 00:26:09,167
operation, no matter what is
being attempted.
533
00:26:09,334 --> 00:26:12,200
I met with Maxine Waters
and gave her my evidence
534
00:26:12,367 --> 00:26:14,200
that I had,
my DEA reports
535
00:26:14,367 --> 00:26:17,267
and pictures that I took at
Ilopango Airport.
536
00:26:17,434 --> 00:26:20,901
I have a list of
all the pilots that ran
537
00:26:21,067 --> 00:26:22,400
for the CIA.
538
00:26:24,868 --> 00:26:27,000
Here's where
the evidence lands.
539
00:26:27,167 --> 00:26:30,300
Some Contra-linked groups were
involved in drug trafficking,
540
00:26:30,467 --> 00:26:33,467
and the CIA was aware of
those allegations.
541
00:26:33,634 --> 00:26:37,000
But there was no confirmed
evidence of a coordinated CIA
542
00:26:37,167 --> 00:26:39,667
plan to flood Black communities
with crack.
543
00:26:44,501 --> 00:26:47,601
Either way, it leaves me with
the same question.
544
00:26:47,767 --> 00:26:50,767
If drugs were moving through
these networks,
545
00:26:50,934 --> 00:26:53,868
was it individuals
operating in the shadows?
546
00:26:54,033 --> 00:26:56,167
Or something larger?
547
00:26:56,334 --> 00:26:59,300
To find out, I need someone
who actually understands
548
00:26:59,467 --> 00:27:02,067
how these operations work
from the inside.
549
00:27:02,234 --> 00:27:05,400
Luckily, I have a source close
to me who could shed some light.
550
00:27:06,501 --> 00:27:11,167
My wife, Jihi, who is also
a former CIA officer and spent
551
00:27:11,334 --> 00:27:13,100
years working
counter narcotics.
552
00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:16,901
I had this
conversation yesterday...
553
00:27:17,067 --> 00:27:18,266
Mm-hmm.
554
00:27:18,267 --> 00:27:23,400
...that CIA was actively
supporting the crack epidemic
555
00:27:23,567 --> 00:27:28,100
in Southern California as part
of the Iran-Contra affair.
556
00:27:28,267 --> 00:27:31,000
And the math doesn't
add up to me.
557
00:27:31,167 --> 00:27:33,667
When you've got entire agencies
trying to fight the war on
558
00:27:33,834 --> 00:27:37,868
drugs, and you have drugs
persistently present,
559
00:27:38,033 --> 00:27:39,767
does that mean that
we're losing?
560
00:27:39,934 --> 00:27:42,567
And if we are losing,
does it mean that we are
561
00:27:42,734 --> 00:27:43,867
losing intentionally?
562
00:27:43,868 --> 00:27:47,767
Because that's really what
the DEA guy was saying.
563
00:27:47,934 --> 00:27:51,067
Well I mean, I think,
when you think about the CIA,
564
00:27:51,234 --> 00:27:54,400
it has various missions,
various priorities,
565
00:27:54,567 --> 00:27:57,367
and narco trafficking is
not the priority.
566
00:27:57,534 --> 00:28:03,100
So if Iran took precedence,
then anti-narco trafficking
567
00:28:03,267 --> 00:28:06,267
would be put
on the back burner.
568
00:28:06,434 --> 00:28:08,868
That may be
the clearest answer yet.
569
00:28:09,033 --> 00:28:11,167
Not that drugs were
the mission, but that
570
00:28:11,334 --> 00:28:13,167
stopping them wasn't.
571
00:28:13,334 --> 00:28:15,868
So if fighting drugs
would have cost us
572
00:28:16,033 --> 00:28:17,567
the Iran-Contra opportunity...
- Mm-hmm.
573
00:28:17,734 --> 00:28:20,000
...then we would
have put off the fight.
574
00:28:20,167 --> 00:28:21,399
Correct.
575
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,868
To make sure that we were able
to get weapons into Iran.
576
00:28:24,033 --> 00:28:26,167
So what's actually been proven?
577
00:28:26,334 --> 00:28:27,667
In the late 1980s,
578
00:28:27,834 --> 00:28:29,667
as the Iran-Contra scandal
unfolded,
579
00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:31,501
Congress launched
investigations into
580
00:28:31,667 --> 00:28:34,167
whether US covert
operations had intersected
581
00:28:34,334 --> 00:28:35,767
with drug trafficking.
582
00:28:35,934 --> 00:28:38,667
Witnesses were called to
testify under oath about what
583
00:28:38,834 --> 00:28:42,200
they saw, including pilot
and convicted drug trafficker
584
00:28:42,367 --> 00:28:43,633
Gary Betzner.
585
00:28:43,634 --> 00:28:46,267
We found a recording from
the subcommittee investigation.
586
00:28:46,434 --> 00:28:49,400
Did you use this modified
Comanche for drug flights?
587
00:28:49,567 --> 00:28:52,300
- Yes, sir, I did.
- For cocaine flights?
588
00:28:52,467 --> 00:28:54,968
- Yes, sir.
- From where to where?
589
00:28:55,133 --> 00:28:56,067
From Columbia to...
590
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:58,667
the Middle District of Florida.
591
00:28:58,834 --> 00:28:59,901
Where were you
operating out of?
592
00:29:02,267 --> 00:29:04,868
- Lakeland.
- During this
1983 period?
593
00:29:05,033 --> 00:29:06,099
Lakeland, Florida.
594
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,501
Were you ever tracked
by DEA or others
595
00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:09,868
during this period of time?
- No.
596
00:29:10,033 --> 00:29:11,868
OK.
597
00:29:12,033 --> 00:29:13,968
You knew Richard Healy was
involved with flying
598
00:29:14,133 --> 00:29:16,400
narcotics, correct?
- Correct.
599
00:29:16,567 --> 00:29:19,100
Was Richard Healy also
involved in assisting
600
00:29:19,267 --> 00:29:23,501
the Contras in Central America?
- Yes, sir.
601
00:29:24,667 --> 00:29:27,367
So I feel like this verifies
a lot of what you and I have
602
00:29:27,534 --> 00:29:30,667
been discussing as
probable explanations...
603
00:29:30,834 --> 00:29:31,767
Mm-hmm.
604
00:29:31,934 --> 00:29:34,601
...for how CIA may have
been involved.
605
00:29:34,767 --> 00:29:38,400
Do I think CIA has like
a drug dealing arm?
606
00:29:38,567 --> 00:29:39,767
No.
Do I think maybe
607
00:29:39,934 --> 00:29:40,868
there were
some small operations
608
00:29:41,033 --> 00:29:43,567
that happened?
Possible, yeah.
609
00:29:43,734 --> 00:29:47,100
Coming up, I uncover how
the war on drugs has quietly
610
00:29:47,267 --> 00:29:50,267
turned into a surveillance
machine right here at home.
611
00:29:59,868 --> 00:30:02,501
2
So far, I've been asking
a simple question.
612
00:30:02,667 --> 00:30:05,367
If we've been fighting the drug
war for decades,
613
00:30:05,534 --> 00:30:07,567
why haven't we won?
614
00:30:07,734 --> 00:30:11,200
Overseas, I'm seeing a pattern
where stopping drugs hasn't
615
00:30:11,367 --> 00:30:13,000
always been the priority.
616
00:30:13,167 --> 00:30:15,667
But here at home, we've spent
billions of dollars
617
00:30:15,834 --> 00:30:17,400
trying to stop them.
618
00:30:17,567 --> 00:30:19,400
So if the drugs are still here,
619
00:30:19,567 --> 00:30:21,901
what exactly has all that
effort been doing?
620
00:30:23,567 --> 00:30:26,000
To answer that question,
I'm turning to journalist
621
00:30:26,167 --> 00:30:27,434
Radley Balko.
622
00:30:28,267 --> 00:30:31,601
I'm trying to better understand
what the implications were for
623
00:30:31,767 --> 00:30:35,467
the war on drugs here back at
home in the United States.
624
00:30:35,634 --> 00:30:37,467
Well, the war on drugs,
I mean, it was a--
625
00:30:37,634 --> 00:30:42,567
or is a generational
gradual erosion
626
00:30:42,734 --> 00:30:44,367
of basic rights
and civil liberties
627
00:30:44,534 --> 00:30:49,801
and a gradual sort of
accumulation of power by
628
00:30:49,968 --> 00:30:51,567
government at all levels.
629
00:30:51,734 --> 00:30:53,801
We also saw that a lot of
the provisions in
630
00:30:53,968 --> 00:30:57,300
the Patriot Act allowed federal
law enforcement
631
00:30:57,467 --> 00:31:01,100
to basically spy on
American citizens
632
00:31:01,267 --> 00:31:03,367
without first
obtaining a warrant.
633
00:31:03,534 --> 00:31:06,400
It was overwhelmingly used in
very traditional drug cases,
634
00:31:06,567 --> 00:31:09,467
not in cases of national
security, not in cases of
635
00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:11,000
suspected terrorism.
636
00:31:11,167 --> 00:31:12,467
There were multiple threats
growing against
637
00:31:12,634 --> 00:31:14,100
the United States--
domestic terrorists,
638
00:31:14,267 --> 00:31:17,167
there were international
terrorists, radical Islam.
639
00:31:17,334 --> 00:31:19,801
How do you differentiate
the impact of the drug war
640
00:31:19,968 --> 00:31:21,801
versus any of those other
641
00:31:21,968 --> 00:31:23,501
creeping, kind of
seeping threats?
642
00:31:23,667 --> 00:31:25,400
You see this over and over
and over again.
643
00:31:25,567 --> 00:31:29,868
A new crisis or a new sort of
external threat is presented to
644
00:31:30,033 --> 00:31:32,767
the public as a reason that
we need to give the government
645
00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,300
more and more power,
and then that power is
646
00:31:34,467 --> 00:31:36,501
inevitably used in traditional
drug policing.
647
00:31:36,667 --> 00:31:38,901
- Police!
- Police with a warrant!
Open the door!
648
00:31:39,067 --> 00:31:42,868
Because the incentive for
police is to arrest
649
00:31:43,033 --> 00:31:44,199
as people as possible.
650
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,367
They get money just for how
many people they arrest.
651
00:31:48,167 --> 00:31:51,100
What Radley is describing
didn't happen overnight.
652
00:31:51,267 --> 00:31:54,667
It was built piece by piece in
the name of fighting drugs.
653
00:31:56,868 --> 00:32:00,467
And maybe not just to enforce
the law, but to expand control.
654
00:32:02,868 --> 00:32:05,667
It sounds like you're making
the argument almost that
655
00:32:05,834 --> 00:32:10,000
the war on drugs has been more
damaging to the American public
656
00:32:10,167 --> 00:32:11,467
than drugs themselves?
657
00:32:11,634 --> 00:32:13,000
There's no question
about that.
658
00:32:13,167 --> 00:32:14,801
I mean, how much privacy are
we willing to
659
00:32:14,968 --> 00:32:16,000
give up in the name of...
660
00:32:17,167 --> 00:32:18,467
safety and security?
661
00:32:18,634 --> 00:32:21,100
And of course, Ben Franklin had
the famous quote,
662
00:32:21,267 --> 00:32:22,868
when you give up one for
the other, you get neither.
663
00:32:23,968 --> 00:32:25,267
That's basically what
we've seen.
664
00:32:25,434 --> 00:32:27,868
Drugs haven't gone away,
but our privacy has.
665
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:32,200
At CIA, we have a term
called blowback.
666
00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:34,267
We use it when something
happens overseas
667
00:32:34,434 --> 00:32:36,601
that affects us here at home.
668
00:32:36,767 --> 00:32:40,100
What if, in this case,
that blowback isn't just rising
669
00:32:40,267 --> 00:32:41,767
addiction and violence,
670
00:32:41,934 --> 00:32:44,868
but also
the police response to it?
671
00:32:45,033 --> 00:32:46,067
More enforcement,
672
00:32:46,234 --> 00:32:49,367
more surveillance,
more control.
673
00:32:49,534 --> 00:32:53,968
What starts as a covert fix
abroad ends up reshaping how
674
00:32:54,133 --> 00:32:56,267
we're policed here at home.
675
00:32:56,434 --> 00:32:59,167
As Radley points out,
that shift may have changed
676
00:32:59,334 --> 00:33:00,633
something deeper.
677
00:33:00,634 --> 00:33:04,667
How the government sees all of
us, not as citizens first,
678
00:33:04,834 --> 00:33:06,267
but as potential suspects.
679
00:33:10,801 --> 00:33:13,000
Which is why I'm meeting up
with Will Freeman,
680
00:33:13,167 --> 00:33:16,200
an entrepreneur and creator of
an anti-surveillance app.
681
00:33:16,367 --> 00:33:18,367
Will, thanks for coming, man.
682
00:33:18,534 --> 00:33:21,300
When the war on drugs failed to
stop narcotics,
683
00:33:21,467 --> 00:33:24,300
enforcement didn't shrink.
It expanded.
684
00:33:24,467 --> 00:33:26,200
And surveillance
filled the gap.
685
00:33:26,367 --> 00:33:27,467
One of the clearest examples is
686
00:33:27,634 --> 00:33:29,868
sitting above our roads
right now.
687
00:33:30,033 --> 00:33:32,667
License plate
readers, or ALPRs.
688
00:33:34,267 --> 00:33:36,567
That tag just hit on
Maple and Fifth.
689
00:33:36,734 --> 00:33:39,267
Companies like Flock Safety
have deployed these cameras
690
00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:42,601
nationwide and are used by
thousands of law enforcement
691
00:33:42,767 --> 00:33:44,968
agencies to build
a searchable record
692
00:33:45,133 --> 00:33:46,868
of where vehicles
have been.
693
00:33:47,033 --> 00:33:49,667
But critics say they don't just
track suspects,
694
00:33:49,834 --> 00:33:51,167
they track everyone.
695
00:33:51,334 --> 00:33:53,467
While these camera systems
have helped police with a wide
696
00:33:53,634 --> 00:33:55,167
range of investigations,
697
00:33:55,334 --> 00:33:57,400
they also raise significant
privacy concerns.
698
00:33:57,567 --> 00:34:00,100
Some communities around
the country are coming together
699
00:34:00,267 --> 00:34:02,567
to fight against what they say
is a concerning form
700
00:34:02,734 --> 00:34:04,000
of surveillance.
701
00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:06,901
So Will built a nationwide
platform called DeFlock,
702
00:34:07,067 --> 00:34:10,100
where people can search
their areas for these cameras.
703
00:34:10,267 --> 00:34:12,801
I want to know how bad this
privacy blowback from
704
00:34:12,968 --> 00:34:14,567
the drug epidemic has become.
705
00:34:15,968 --> 00:34:18,667
How many Flock safety cameras
706
00:34:18,834 --> 00:34:21,067
are floating around in
the United States today?
707
00:34:21,234 --> 00:34:23,567
So we know for a fact it's
at least 102,000.
708
00:34:23,734 --> 00:34:25,701
That came from a public
records request.
709
00:34:25,868 --> 00:34:29,767
But based on a bug that was
discovered, it looks like that
710
00:34:29,934 --> 00:34:31,267
could be around 300,000.
711
00:34:31,434 --> 00:34:33,400
But regardless, it's in
the hundreds of thousands.
712
00:34:33,567 --> 00:34:35,000
- That's
a lot of cameras.
- Yeah.
713
00:34:35,167 --> 00:34:37,267
So I built DeFlock.
714
00:34:37,434 --> 00:34:39,300
Hundreds of thousands of
cameras built
715
00:34:39,467 --> 00:34:41,667
in the name of stopping crime.
716
00:34:41,834 --> 00:34:44,167
Will's answer to that system
was simple.
717
00:34:44,334 --> 00:34:47,000
If you can't stop it,
at least make it visible.
718
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:51,267
Using crowdsourcing, Will built
a live database of these
719
00:34:51,434 --> 00:34:54,601
cameras, turning an invisible
network into something you can
720
00:34:54,767 --> 00:34:57,501
actually see and even avoid.
721
00:34:57,667 --> 00:35:00,701
When you pull up this map
image, what is it that you see
722
00:35:00,868 --> 00:35:02,033
through your eyes?
723
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,167
I see a society that
I don't want to live in.
724
00:35:04,334 --> 00:35:05,801
I don't want to be watched
everywhere I go.
725
00:35:06,567 --> 00:35:10,200
So before we even get into how
it works, I need to understand
726
00:35:10,367 --> 00:35:11,567
the scope of it.
727
00:35:11,734 --> 00:35:14,467
If I drove through my own
hometown right now,
728
00:35:14,634 --> 00:35:16,467
how many times would I be
picked up?
729
00:35:16,634 --> 00:35:17,801
All right, on the move.
730
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,667
I'll open the map
and I'll make it follow us.
731
00:35:21,834 --> 00:35:23,868
Is that how you would use it
to avoid these cameras?
732
00:35:24,033 --> 00:35:25,233
Yeah, you can enable alerts.
733
00:35:25,234 --> 00:35:26,901
So it'll say like, "Hey,
you're coming up on a camera."
734
00:35:27,067 --> 00:35:28,701
You can even program routes in.
735
00:35:28,868 --> 00:35:32,000
So if you want to like go from
point A to point B and not pass
736
00:35:32,167 --> 00:35:33,601
any license plate readers,
you can do that too.
737
00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:37,767
Now, I don't really know what
these things look like.
738
00:35:37,934 --> 00:35:39,901
I know you said that
they're fairly obvious.
739
00:35:40,067 --> 00:35:42,367
So I'm actually really excited
to see what this looks
740
00:35:42,534 --> 00:35:43,601
like up close and personal.
741
00:35:43,767 --> 00:35:44,968
Yeah, in like almost
every case,
742
00:35:45,133 --> 00:35:46,767
they have a solar panel
above them.
743
00:35:46,934 --> 00:35:49,868
So we should be coming up on
that first signal, I think.
744
00:35:50,033 --> 00:35:52,167
Yep.
I can see it right there with
the solar panel.
745
00:35:52,334 --> 00:35:53,801
So yeah, if you turn
right here.
746
00:35:53,968 --> 00:35:55,234
- Oh, I see it now.
- Yep.
747
00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:00,067
- So this is it
right here, yeah?
- Yep, that's it.
748
00:36:00,234 --> 00:36:03,200
I mean, that is the proverbial
eye in the sky right there.
749
00:36:03,367 --> 00:36:06,067
This is a park I've taken
my kids to, so this is hitting
750
00:36:06,234 --> 00:36:07,500
very close to home.
751
00:36:07,501 --> 00:36:09,968
A lot of these parking
lots will have them at like,
752
00:36:10,133 --> 00:36:12,868
all the main entrances so that
they can keep track of who is
753
00:36:13,033 --> 00:36:14,166
coming and going.
754
00:36:14,167 --> 00:36:17,000
Now, is it only able to
document a license plate?
755
00:36:17,167 --> 00:36:19,167
Is it also able to
document people?
756
00:36:19,334 --> 00:36:22,100
It will capture your face
through the windshield.
757
00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:23,701
And these are being leased
by the city.
758
00:36:23,868 --> 00:36:27,667
So what that tells me is that
the actual company itself has
759
00:36:27,834 --> 00:36:29,868
the ability to constantly
upgrade its software.
760
00:36:30,033 --> 00:36:31,467
Yeah, exactly.
761
00:36:31,634 --> 00:36:33,767
They came out with an update
pretty recently that turns all
762
00:36:33,934 --> 00:36:35,300
of these into video
cameras too.
763
00:36:35,467 --> 00:36:38,100
They originally were--
only took still images.
764
00:36:38,267 --> 00:36:40,467
So it wouldn't be hard to
upload it with facial
765
00:36:40,634 --> 00:36:43,467
recognition software, with some
sort of signals intercept
766
00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:46,767
software, because it's really
just software and antennas.
767
00:36:46,934 --> 00:36:48,667
Right, as long as
the hardware is there, yeah,
768
00:36:48,834 --> 00:36:50,567
they can make it do
whatever they want.
769
00:36:50,734 --> 00:36:52,767
To be fair, Flock says
they don't collect
770
00:36:52,934 --> 00:36:55,100
facial recognition data,
biometrics,
771
00:36:55,267 --> 00:36:58,100
or driver information,
but we know the technology to
772
00:36:58,267 --> 00:36:59,801
do so exists.
773
00:36:59,968 --> 00:37:03,200
In my world, we call this
"pattern of life,"
774
00:37:03,367 --> 00:37:06,167
mapping someone's movements
from scattered data points.
775
00:37:06,334 --> 00:37:09,701
What's striking is that this
isn't happening overseas.
776
00:37:09,868 --> 00:37:13,467
It's happening here,
on American streets, right now,
777
00:37:13,634 --> 00:37:15,100
and most of us have no idea.
778
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,267
Coming up, I weigh the evidence
and answer the question,
779
00:37:20,434 --> 00:37:23,367
is the war on drugs real,
or is it something else?
780
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,601
2
The more time I spend with
Will, the more I start to see
781
00:37:33,767 --> 00:37:36,767
how something justified by
the war on drugs has spread.
782
00:37:37,868 --> 00:37:38,968
All right.
Well, let's follow your map
783
00:37:39,133 --> 00:37:40,434
and find the next one.
- OK.
784
00:37:42,701 --> 00:37:44,701
It looks like there's a
big cluster of them here at this
785
00:37:44,868 --> 00:37:46,000
intersection, not too far.
786
00:37:46,167 --> 00:37:48,100
There's like one facing
every direction.
787
00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:49,234
Make a left at the light
788
00:37:50,267 --> 00:37:52,767
and go up a few blocks.
- You are right.
789
00:37:52,934 --> 00:37:55,167
It is kind of unnerving
knowing that
790
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,200
our entrance and our exit are
all now like, stored.
791
00:38:00,367 --> 00:38:02,367
Though Flock says
they typically only store data
792
00:38:02,534 --> 00:38:04,100
for 30 days.
793
00:38:04,267 --> 00:38:06,100
Yeah, most people don't think
about having their location
794
00:38:06,267 --> 00:38:09,567
tracked when they go to a park
or go to a trailhead or
795
00:38:09,734 --> 00:38:12,267
go to the store,
go to school sometimes.
796
00:38:12,434 --> 00:38:14,667
Oh yeah, we got a Flock right
there, there.
797
00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:16,367
Oh, I see them
right there on the posts.
798
00:38:16,534 --> 00:38:17,467
Yeah.
799
00:38:22,267 --> 00:38:25,868
So there's a camera right here
on this light post,
800
00:38:26,033 --> 00:38:29,501
a camera right there on its own
dedicated posts,
801
00:38:29,667 --> 00:38:31,467
and then there's a camera over
there on the other side of
802
00:38:31,634 --> 00:38:32,701
that post.
- Yes.
803
00:38:32,868 --> 00:38:35,501
So we've got three of
the Flock cameras.
804
00:38:35,667 --> 00:38:38,868
Now, what is that white Triple
camera right there?
805
00:38:39,033 --> 00:38:40,334
That is
a red light camera.
806
00:38:40,501 --> 00:38:42,667
And I actually don't hate those
much because they only take
807
00:38:42,834 --> 00:38:44,767
a picture of you when you run
a red light.
808
00:38:44,934 --> 00:38:47,868
So just in this intersection
alone, there's 13 cameras.
809
00:38:48,033 --> 00:38:49,567
- Yeah.
- Wow!
810
00:38:49,734 --> 00:38:53,167
I mean, this is really a whole
new way of looking at the world
811
00:38:53,334 --> 00:38:56,267
around you when you start
counting the number of cameras.
812
00:38:56,434 --> 00:38:58,167
Yeah, there are more and
more of them every day.
813
00:38:59,267 --> 00:39:02,167
Spending the day with a guy
mapping surveillance cameras,
814
00:39:02,334 --> 00:39:05,667
thousands of them,
quietly tracking me, my family,
815
00:39:05,834 --> 00:39:07,601
my neighbors--
it got me thinking.
816
00:39:08,901 --> 00:39:12,167
Because if the war on drugs
hasn't stopped drugs,
817
00:39:12,334 --> 00:39:16,200
but it has led to a system like
this, then you have to ask,
818
00:39:16,367 --> 00:39:20,000
is it failing or doing exactly
what it was built to do?
819
00:39:22,067 --> 00:39:24,100
So let's get back to
the question that started
820
00:39:24,267 --> 00:39:25,601
this investigation.
821
00:39:25,767 --> 00:39:29,567
If we've been fighting
the war on drugs for decades,
822
00:39:29,734 --> 00:39:33,200
why haven't we won?
Here's what's documented.
823
00:39:33,367 --> 00:39:35,167
During covert wars
in places like
824
00:39:35,334 --> 00:39:37,601
Laos, Afghanistan,
and Central America,
825
00:39:37,767 --> 00:39:39,367
drug trafficking repeatedly
826
00:39:39,534 --> 00:39:41,968
intersected with
US intelligence operations.
827
00:39:43,767 --> 00:39:46,167
They loaded the opium
on the aircraft,
828
00:39:46,334 --> 00:39:49,567
and the aircraft flew off to
the CIA base in Long Tieng.
829
00:39:50,868 --> 00:39:52,901
Here's what shows up
as a pattern.
830
00:39:53,067 --> 00:39:55,801
When a larger strategic goal
took priority,
831
00:39:55,968 --> 00:39:58,267
stopping communism,
fighting terrorism,
832
00:39:58,434 --> 00:40:01,667
funding covert wars,
the drug trade was often
833
00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:05,100
facilitated, or at the very
least, tolerated.
834
00:40:05,267 --> 00:40:08,367
- So if Iran took precedence...
- Yeah.
835
00:40:08,534 --> 00:40:12,567
...then anti-narco trafficking
would be
836
00:40:12,734 --> 00:40:14,133
put on the back burner.
837
00:40:16,601 --> 00:40:19,567
And in the 1980s,
those same networks didn't just
838
00:40:19,734 --> 00:40:21,567
exist overseas.
839
00:40:21,734 --> 00:40:24,267
In some cases,
they helped enable the flow of
840
00:40:24,434 --> 00:40:26,067
cocaine into the United States.
841
00:40:30,167 --> 00:40:32,000
What remains unproven?
842
00:40:32,167 --> 00:40:36,000
There is no clear evidence that
the CIA set out to poison
843
00:40:36,167 --> 00:40:38,601
America with drugs.
844
00:40:38,767 --> 00:40:41,501
And here at home,
the system that was built in
845
00:40:41,667 --> 00:40:45,267
response to those drugs,
the enforcement, the cameras on
846
00:40:45,434 --> 00:40:50,901
every corner, the control,
that part is absolutely real.
847
00:40:51,067 --> 00:40:53,501
And it's growing every day.
848
00:40:53,667 --> 00:40:56,100
Drugs haven't gone away,
but our privacy has.
849
00:40:57,367 --> 00:41:00,701
So is the war on drugs real?
Yes.
850
00:41:00,868 --> 00:41:03,100
Is it working?
No.
851
00:41:03,267 --> 00:41:06,801
And that's the part that should
disturb you, because the drugs
852
00:41:06,968 --> 00:41:08,400
are still here.
853
00:41:08,567 --> 00:41:11,968
The cartels are richer and more
powerful than ever before.
854
00:41:12,133 --> 00:41:14,267
The government has more
enforcement tools,
855
00:41:14,434 --> 00:41:17,000
more surveillance,
more control.
856
00:41:17,167 --> 00:41:18,767
And ordinary citizens?
857
00:41:18,934 --> 00:41:23,567
We have less privacy and fewer
rights than when we started.
858
00:41:23,734 --> 00:41:25,868
So if this really is a war...
859
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:29,501
who's actually winning it?
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