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It's an invisible weapon.
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Can't see it.
Can't hear it.
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Nobody knows you were there.
To the world, nothing happened.
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A family got sick.
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Find the router.
Find the family.
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- Make the hit.
- Leave.
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And no wonder it's so hard
to prove this.
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Let's face it.
There are so many
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government conspiracies,
it can be hard to tell
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what's real
and what's not.
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My name is Andrew Bustamante,
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and I am a former covert
CIA intelligence officer.
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And I'm going to pressure test
the most sensational,
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ripped-from-the-headlines
conspiracy theories out there
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to help you separate fact
from fiction.
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It came just after
the new year.
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The American surgical attack
on Venezuela that captured
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President Nicolas Maduro.
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We all remember
hearing the story.
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Nearly 100 foreign soldiers
decimated by
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a small strike team
of special operators
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in and out in
less than 30 minutes.
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But then in the aftermath,
we remember hearing about
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something else
just as striking.
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Venezuelan soldiers attacked
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by some kind of invisible,
powerful weapon
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that left them on
the ground bleeding
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from their nose
and vomiting blood.
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As these reports spread online,
it wasn't long before they were
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tied to other strange attacks.
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Attacks that began
more than a decade ago.
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Only this time,
the targets weren't
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foreign soldiers,
they were Americans.
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It's even got a name,
"Havana Syndrome."
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American diplomats serving
in Cuba may have been the target
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of deliberate attacks.
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Several suffering symptoms
that the State Department has
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not elaborated on.
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Since the attacks
became public, the U.S.
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has pulled out more than half
its diplomatic personnel
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from Havana.
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Were American diplomats
and intelligence officers
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targeted by the same kind of
invisible weapon that
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could have been used
in Venezuela?
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Some U.S. intelligence agencies
have downplayed the idea
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for years, but other parts of
the U.S. federal government
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and the victims themselves
believe otherwise.
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Every single person I have met
thinks it's real and thinks
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that there is a culture of
conspiracy to cover it up.
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Are we really under threat
from some kind of new,
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devastating, invisible weapon?
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What isn't the government
telling us, and why?
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On this episode,
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I'll pressure test
the plausibility,
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capability, and evidence of
such a weapon to separate
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the fact and fiction.
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I want a firsthand account
of an attack from
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a fellow former spy suffering
from Havana Syndrome.
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And as soon as I walked
into the room,
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I experienced vertigo.
The room was spinning.
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I'll track down one of
the world's top experts
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on this secret technology.
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These are a wireless system
for shaking in the brain.
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Conduct never-before-seen
targeting demonstrations.
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It sees right through
your walls.
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I mean, that, that's just wild.
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And meet an expert with
a radical alternate take on
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these conspiracy theories.
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This is a global experiment
in mass psychogenic illness.
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All to answer the question,
is Havana Syndrome the result
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of secret, invisible weapon
technology, like what's been
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reported in Venezuela,
or just a powerful story that
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spread faster
than the evidence?
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One week after
the Maduro capture,
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the White House press secretary
retweeted what appeared to be
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an interview with a Venezuelan
soldier with an account of
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the mysterious attack,
which may have been based on
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this video posted online.
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The response on
social media was explosive.
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Had the U.S. just deployed
a new, secret weapon?
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In situations like this,
information often comes in
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pieces from
sources, officials,
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and public statements.
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And it's not always clear
what's been confirmed
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and what hasn't.
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And when you strip it down,
it all comes back to a single
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unverified source.
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No photos, no video,
no independent confirmation.
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Just a story that, at least
online, is starting to
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feel real.
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So if I want to know whether
this kind of weapon exists,
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I need to go back to
where it all began.
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The mysterious attacks
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targeting American diplomats
in Cuba.
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They get these
really weird symptoms.
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We don't know what it is.
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In the fall of 2016,
a number of American diplomats
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based in Cuba came down
with a mysterious illness
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after incidents in which it felt
like they were being attacked
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by an invisible force.
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We can confirm that at least
16 U.S. government employees
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have experienced
some kind of symptom.
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Some said the attack
began with a noise, followed by
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a range of symptoms
like vertigo, hearing loss,
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loss of memory and focus.
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I woke up with
a full body convulsion.
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The worst pain
I have ever felt,
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it felt like a Vise gripping
my brain stem.
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I could actually feel my brain
shutting down, like it just,
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everything kind of went black.
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Respected State Department
and CIA officials were
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telling similar stories
of being attacked.
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But without anyone actually
seeing a weapon, even some of
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their colleagues had doubts.
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You would expect at some point
you would find something,
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some type of evidence.
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Meanwhile, as more victims
emerged to tell their story,
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many grew increasingly
frustrated with
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the government's muted response
and its explanations,
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which often pointed to
environmental factors,
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stress, or anxiety.
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As a result, some began calling
it a cover-up that reached
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the highest levels
of government.
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The symptoms described
were strikingly similar to
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the Venezuelan
soldier's account.
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Neurological symptoms,
sudden onset,
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no visible weapon.
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If there is a connection,
I want to dig deeper into
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a specific attack to determine
the motive behind them.
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And I've tracked down someone
who is willing to
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tell her story.
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I'm here to meet with
a woman named Alice,
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who describes herself
as a Havana Syndrome survivor
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and a whistleblower.
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She's only been out of
the agency for a few years,
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but she believes that
she may have been pushed out
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because of her condition.
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Not every person who experienced
Havana Syndrome effects
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was in Cuba.
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Alice was based in
a West African country
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when she claims she was hit.
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Can you just take me back to
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what life was like the day
before everything started?
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I was working for the whole
day, and at night, I came home,
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and then I heard the noise.
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It was kind of a low,
pulsating sound,
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almost like a reverb.
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And I asked my spouse
at the time, like, "Hey,
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do you hear that weird noise?"
And he said, "What noise?"
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And that should have been
the first clue
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that something was up.
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And so I went back into
the room that I had been in,
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and as soon as I walked
into the room,
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I experienced vertigo.
The room was spinning.
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I had a lot of pressure
in my left ear, a lot of pain.
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I got less and less conscious.
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My, like, field of vision
was narrowing.
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I knew I needed to get
out of the house,
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and I opened the door expecting
to hear the sound outside,
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and it was quiet.
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And that was terrifying,
because I assumed the sound was
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coming from outside, of course,
and that that was odd, too.
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So I got back into the house
and I went up the stairs,
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turned the lights off
and I stayed below the window
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and tried to go to sleep.
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And then next morning,
I woke up and I had work to do.
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By that afternoon,
I couldn't walk straight.
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I was really dizzy.
I felt like I was on a boat
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and I knew something was
really wrong.
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So the next morning, I went
into the embassy medical unit,
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and I'll never forget,
this woman went immediately to
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call my boss and start
the process of medically
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evacuating us to America
straight away.
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Wow.
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What are some of the types of
long-term physical symptoms?
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For me, some of the biggest
things are chronic migraines,
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five days a week.
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I've been in the ER a couple
times in the last month.
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Um, insomnia.
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My cognitive processing is
not what it used to be,
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and that's really hard
because it's so essential
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to our identities.
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I found out after the fact
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that there had been multiple
people affected
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in the region, including in
the country I was in before me.
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But I didn't know it
at that time.
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Cases of American government
officials experiencing
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invisible attacks have been
reported in about
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a dozen locations after Havana,
including Guangzhou, China,
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Moscow, Austria,
Colombia,
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Syria, and even here
in the U.S.
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in Washington, D.C.,
just outside the White House.
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For a lot of us, it
became apparent from the get-go
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just how consistent
our experiences were.
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So you're saying that,
essentially, people reported
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the experience of
being attacked?
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- Yeah.
- Individualized, intentional.
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But also there were a number
of key trends in terms of
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what people worked on.
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There was an abundance of
people that were experts on
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the Russian target that had
all served together in Ukraine
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in 2014.
Interesting, right?
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- So among that
group of people...
- Mm-hmm.
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...there's also parallels
in what they were experts in?
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- Correct.
- I think the world talks about
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these possible attacks as if
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they are
tactical attacks, right?
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"I want to hurt you right now."
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But you're layering in this
question that makes me wonder
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if it also isn't a strategic
attack, a long-term
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attack.
- And I think
you're spot on.
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The Russians,
they're incredibly creative
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and quite good at doing things
that can really affect a person,
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but not necessarily kill them.
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Because there's a psychological
warfare advantage.
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Yeah, for sure.
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It's kind of
a perfect weapon, right?
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Russia is often the first
suspect because they've done
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things like this before.
During the Cold War,
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U.S. officials discovered that
something was being directed at
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the American embassy in Moscow
from a nearby building.
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Hidden somewhere in
this apartment building across
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the street are instruments
American experts believe are
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aiming microwaves at
the upper floors of the embassy.
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The incident became
known as the Moscow Signal.
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For decades,
something invisible was aimed
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at the embassy, but no one
could say for sure why.
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The motives are
still being debated.
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It may have been to jam
our eavesdropping devices.
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The official explanation was
that the signal was too weak
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to cause harm.
But not everyone believed that,
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because for years those signals
weren't just filling the air,
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they were focusing
on a single building.
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And that raises
a much bigger question.
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If decades ago, something like
that could be aimed
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at a building, could it be aimed
at a person today?
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And if something like that is
behind what happened to Alice,
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it would mean someone knew
exactly who she was,
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where she was, and knew
when to strike.
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Because a weapon that could
have been used on Alice
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and Havana victims doesn't just
hit a building,
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it hits a person.
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So I need to find out whether
someone could actually track
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and target a person like Alice
without her ever knowing.
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And that's something
I can test.
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Coming up,
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a private investigator
who specializes in tracking
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and targeting individuals.
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If you're connected to
technology in any way,
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I will find you.
- Will show me
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how people like Alice
could find themselves in
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the crosshairs of a dangerous
secret weapon.
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2
I'm testing the connection
between top-secret weapons
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like the one used in Cuba
and Havana Syndrome.
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Alice, a fellow former
covert CIA operative,
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makes a plausible case
that the attacks were not
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environmental
or imagined incidents.
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But now I'm going to
push that further and test
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if you're a foreign adversary
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bent on attacking
American operators
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living and working undercover
around the world,
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how would you identify them,
track them, and target them?
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I'm on my way to meet with
a good friend of mine who lives
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a very private life.
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He's got a job that's pretty
high stakes, so he keeps
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a very small digital online
footprint intentionally.
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So to truly carry out
an experiment that tests
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whether or not an individual
can be targeted when they don't
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want to be targeted,
he's the perfect candidate.
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Matt, give me a sense of
what you think your level
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of security, your level
of privacy is?
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My whole household, my wife,
myself, my kids,
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we're pretty under the radar,
at least I think so.
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I have no social
media accounts.
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I really try to stay
off of online platforms
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just in general.
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You're one of the most private
people that I know, so I would
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love to fold you in on this.
- I'd be happy to help.
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So just live your daily life
like normal.
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And then what we'll do is we'll
meet up again in a couple days,
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and I'll tell you what we are
or are not able to find out.
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If you want to locate someone
who doesn't want to be found,
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Jake Gray is your man.
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Welcome, man.
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Thanks for having me.
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A former law
enforcement officer, he's hunted
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terrorists, cartel members,
and sex traffickers,
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and now works in
private intelligence.
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I'm really trying to dig deeper
into the Havana attacks that
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have been reported,
not only by the press,
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but also by individuals
in government.
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Can you tell me how technical
evidence kind of cascades,
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how you build a big picture
from just a little bit
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of information?
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We start targeting signals
interception, right?
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It's tracking cellular devices,
watches, tablets.
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Then we start doing
dump-and-breach datas.
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Then we send guys out
and figure out what the area
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is like,
what their house is like.
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Is surveillance an option?
Is a single target an option?
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Where we use tech like
RF sniffers to track people
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in their houses.
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Utilizing all that information
brings together a totality of
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the target and how
we would act after that.
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What percentage of people would
you say actually have
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a technical profile that
you couldn't identify?
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Outside of your tribesmen,
right, like that don't even
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know what technology is,
you know, it's probably
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less than a percent
that we can't touch.
- Less than 1%?
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Yeah, basically if you're
connected to technology
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in any way, I will find you.
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Many Havana Syndrome
victims were living overseas
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and undercover, in other words,
tough to find,
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but not that tough
for Jake to find.
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He's showing us how
with our guinea pig, Matt.
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The first step is geolocating
Matt's phone
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and tracking its movements.
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Then Jake puts boots
on the ground to follow
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the digital breadcrumbs
to identify him.
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From there, Jake can begin to
unlock his online history
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and create a profile, which may
be enough to target him.
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So, we have here
geolocation data that
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we talked about before.
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Able to target devices from
that phone number you gave me.
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If we zoom in here,
this is where he lives.
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If you follow these dots that
were dropped from the device,
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he takes this route here
down this road
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all the way till he gets
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to where we've established
his place of employment's at.
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- Wow, look at all that data.
- Just here.
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And we think these are
lunch spots right down the road.
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What else did this give you?
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So, we have a few
interesting places
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which you have these signals
here which goes to a school,
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you know where his kids are,
and if he's gone and we wanted
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to target that, we could.
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I know this guy,
his number one priority is
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protecting his kids,
and you found his kids' school.
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- Yep,
- That's like every
person's nightmare.
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- Yeah,
- What do we do next?
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Physical surveillance,
at this point.
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We go to his house,
his work, figure out
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where we can truly target him
and something that we can use
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to do that as an RF sniffer.
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What does that mean in
layman's terms?
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So, everybody that has internet
has a Wi-Fi router, right?
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That Wi-Fi router just pushes
out RF frequencies, which are
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like little, you know,
imagine like little waves
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moving through your house
at all times.
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The RF sniffer measures
the disturbance in those waves,
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and I can follow those
disturbances or that person
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through their house.
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- In real time?
- In real time.
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And we're gonna do that
to our target?
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Yep.
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Most Havana Syndrome victims
say they were hit at home
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and targeted very precisely.
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Remember Alice heard the noise
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her husband standing
next to her didn't hear?
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And I asked my spouse
at the time, like, "Hey,
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do you hear that weird noise?"
And he said, "What noise?"
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Assuming there was
a weapon, it must have had
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pinpoint accuracy.
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So we're heading to Matt's
house, where Jake is going to
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show me how he uses his
RF sniffer to target individuals
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room by room.
- It's right up here.
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Yep, right up here on
the other side of that truck.
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I see it.
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This feels creepy, man.
That's my friend in there.
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And I'm in a blacked-out car
across the street.
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All right.
What's next?
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We're gonna break out
the RF sniffer, see if we can
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capture some movement.
- All right.
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- You ready?
- Yeah, let's do it.
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What is the sniffer
doing right now?
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Right now,
I'm setting up the, uh,
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the prompt for it to attack
the router to then run
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its code, run its script to
send us back the signals that
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we're looking to intercept.
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So here you go, OK?
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Jake's showing me how
each green dot represents
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a different person
in the house.
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We can tell where they are
based on how close they are to
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the red dot, the Wi-Fi router.
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This isn't a weapon,
it's a tracking tool,
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but it proves how precisely
a house's occupants can
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be mapped.
- You see how
it's going down?
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Exactly.
That lower right quadrant is
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very clearly that corner
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of the house.
- Yep.
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Every time that red dot jumps,
it's essentially picking up on
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another movement in the house.
- Correct.
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So it's always a red dot,
but it could be jumping from
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person to person.
- Person to person.
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So if we wanted
to hit a target
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with some kind of weapon,
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we would want to aim for
the room with the router,
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and we want to aim now because
that's where the most activity
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is happening.
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If your goal is to not care
about collateral damage, yeah.
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Wow.
But this is what it looks like.
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We don't see a face.
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We don't see
a physical description.
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- We get a dot.
- You get a dot.
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I can see how an adversary
would take the shot.
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This is
an invisible weapon, so
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to the world, nothing happened.
A family got sick.
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Can't see it, can't hear it.
Nobody knows you were there.
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If we wanted to hyper-isolate
our target even more...
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- Mm-hmm.
- ...how would we do that?
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Find a choke point to where
it's strictly him.
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Do you see a choke point
in his pattern of life?
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- I do.
- Where?
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Where he parks every single
day when he goes to work.
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He parks in the same spot
every day?
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Same spot, and it's basically
three walls and one exit.
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So you want to try to get him
at work instead?
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That's where I would do it.
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Nobody expects it in
the middle of the day, either.
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Man, he's in a, he's in
a kill box.
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Coming up, Matt learns just
how vulnerable we all are.
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We did find
a potential school.
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Yeah, that's where
my kids go to school.
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- And then...
- Could it be possible
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that these types of things
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could have been so rapidly
weaponized, so easily scaled,
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and so covertly used?
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Well, I think the answer
is evident.
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2
It will be the very next left
down, down to a parking area.
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And his car is usually parked
all the way to the right.
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It's a black SUV.
Right there.
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- See that black SUV?
- Yeah.
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- That's him.
- OK.
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We're demonstrating
how to find and target someone
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who doesn't want to be found.
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The case in point is my friend
Matt, who's about to discover
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just how vulnerable he is.
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Sorry to interrupt lunch hour.
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I know, that was a surprise.
I'm glad it was you.
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So I want to
introduce you to Jake.
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- Hi, Jake.
- Jake, Matt.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, Jake.
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So I tasked Jake with doing
what he could to try to collect
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as much as possible off of you.
- Yeah, OK.
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And I'm just gonna let Jake
present what he found.
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All right.
I'm curious.
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Yeah, so we were able to see
quite a few things.
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So, if we scroll down here,
you know, like you have this
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kind of stretch of where
your office building is.
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- Wow.
- Right?
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You can see
where I have lunch.
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- See where you have lunch.
- Where I get coffee.
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Where you get coffee.
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The interesting thing
that we did find is
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a potential school that you're
dropping your kids off at.
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Yeah, I mean, that's where
my kids go to school.
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Yeah, so, and this is what
we use to say, like,
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"Hey, you think you're being
locked down, it only takes
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a few things for us to be able
to target you or your family."
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One of the things I asked Jake
to do was to treat you like
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a true target.
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We were actually at your house,
and we use what we call is
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a RF sniffer, which connects to
your Wi-Fi router, attacks it,
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and tracks you
walking around your house.
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It sees right through
your walls.
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I mean, that it's just wild.
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Based off of what you've seen
today, how confident are you
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that a person can be
targeted individually?
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Um,
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It makes me think that it
would be relatively easy
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to target someone
with that level of detail.
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That's disconcerting,
I would say.
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It can be shocking to learn
how vulnerable we all are
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to a technologically
advanced adversary.
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00:23:07,968 --> 00:23:10,567
This test shows me that
if someone wanted to target
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a person like
Alice, they could.
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Tracking them is possible.
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But that doesn't answer
the question, what kind of
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invisible weapon could
effectively debilitate
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a human being?
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Which means we're not just
looking for a weapon,
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we're looking for
a form of energy.
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So the question is, what kind?
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Could sound be
part of the answer?
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We already know it can
be weaponized.
486
00:23:33,968 --> 00:23:35,868
Over the past two decades,
police departments
487
00:23:36,033 --> 00:23:39,167
across the United States have
deployed what's called an LRAD,
488
00:23:39,334 --> 00:23:42,100
or long-range acoustic device,
which basically makes
489
00:23:42,267 --> 00:23:43,534
a painfully loud noise.
490
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,100
Just recently,
the Minnesota State Patrol has
491
00:23:48,267 --> 00:23:51,100
been accused of using an LRAD
against ICE protesters.
492
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:55,767
I hereby declare this
to be an unlawful assembly.
493
00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:57,501
Immediately disperse.
494
00:24:01,667 --> 00:24:04,567
Officials maintain that this
is only being used for
495
00:24:04,734 --> 00:24:09,367
crowd control, not as a weapon.
But the internet disagrees.
496
00:24:09,534 --> 00:24:11,567
Hey guys, on today's episode
of Fascism in America,
497
00:24:11,734 --> 00:24:13,300
we're gonna be talking about
the latest shiny toy
498
00:24:13,467 --> 00:24:14,667
in the authoritarian tool belt
499
00:24:14,834 --> 00:24:16,000
that's being deployed
against citizens.
500
00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:26,667
So, on the surface,
this looks like
501
00:24:26,834 --> 00:24:28,467
exactly what people
are describing.
502
00:24:28,634 --> 00:24:32,167
A device that uses sound to
target and disperse a crowd.
503
00:24:32,334 --> 00:24:34,667
But there's a difference
between something that's loud
504
00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:37,100
and something that can actually
cause the kind of damage
505
00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:38,367
reported in Havana.
506
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:41,267
I'm reaching out
to Dr. Joe Pompei,
507
00:24:41,434 --> 00:24:42,600
a man who's created
508
00:24:42,601 --> 00:24:45,267
an acoustic tool that's used
for commercial purposes,
509
00:24:45,434 --> 00:24:48,000
to find out if an acoustic
weapon could be created
510
00:24:48,167 --> 00:24:50,367
that's strong enough to bring
an army to its knees.
511
00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:57,367
I don't think there's ever
such thing as a sonic weapon.
512
00:24:57,534 --> 00:25:01,167
For airborne sound waves,
99.99% reflect
513
00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:03,767
right off of you.
They can't go through windows.
514
00:25:03,934 --> 00:25:07,868
They can't go through walls
in any substantial sense.
515
00:25:08,033 --> 00:25:11,968
So they're not going to be
received by somebody indoors,
516
00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:14,367
and they're certainly not going
to penetrate the body enough to
517
00:25:14,534 --> 00:25:17,267
cause any physiological damage
other than perhaps to
518
00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:18,501
the hearing system.
519
00:25:18,667 --> 00:25:20,367
It's interesting
because you can understand
520
00:25:20,534 --> 00:25:23,567
how people would be afraid of
a weapon they can't see,
521
00:25:23,734 --> 00:25:27,167
and audio and sonic weapons are
very clearly something that
522
00:25:27,334 --> 00:25:28,868
you wouldn't be able to see.
523
00:25:29,033 --> 00:25:31,901
Another possibility is
radio frequency.
524
00:25:32,067 --> 00:25:35,100
That could absolutely do
damage, and those would go
525
00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:37,767
through walls, and those could
go into the body, absorb
526
00:25:37,934 --> 00:25:39,300
and cause all kinds of problems.
527
00:25:41,267 --> 00:25:42,667
Here's where
this leaves me.
528
00:25:42,834 --> 00:25:46,267
Sound can be directed, it can
be powerful, but it doesn't
529
00:25:46,434 --> 00:25:49,100
appear to match the kind of
injuries being reported
530
00:25:49,267 --> 00:25:50,667
in Havana.
531
00:25:50,834 --> 00:25:53,868
Radio frequency can penetrate
the body and potentially cause
532
00:25:54,033 --> 00:25:56,467
real damage, but is there
anything else that can
533
00:25:56,634 --> 00:25:57,901
scramble our brains?
534
00:25:58,868 --> 00:26:01,901
To find out, I tracked down
a neuroscientist who examined
535
00:26:02,067 --> 00:26:04,367
the original Havana victims.
536
00:26:04,534 --> 00:26:08,267
I was contacted in late 2016
by some folks in
537
00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:10,801
the Department of State
and said, "Look, we've got
these cases,
538
00:26:10,968 --> 00:26:13,100
about two dozen individuals,
and we really don't know
539
00:26:13,267 --> 00:26:14,434
what's happened to them.
540
00:26:14,601 --> 00:26:17,901
They all seem to have
very similar signs and symptoms.
541
00:26:18,067 --> 00:26:22,100
They seem to be evidencing what
appears to be a concussion,
542
00:26:22,267 --> 00:26:24,567
but no concussion.
- What conclusions did you reach
543
00:26:24,734 --> 00:26:26,100
after this two-year study?
544
00:26:26,267 --> 00:26:28,000
Well, we ruled
a lot of things out.
545
00:26:28,167 --> 00:26:30,000
I mean, there are a lot of
things that could be possible.
546
00:26:30,167 --> 00:26:32,100
Is it possible they were
exposed to some chemical,
547
00:26:32,267 --> 00:26:35,000
some environmental chemical,
a pesticide, for example?
548
00:26:35,167 --> 00:26:38,167
Is it possible they were
exposed to something at work,
549
00:26:38,334 --> 00:26:39,500
some device?
550
00:26:39,501 --> 00:26:41,501
No, no, because the rooms in
which they were working,
551
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,467
other individuals were not
coming up with the same
552
00:26:43,634 --> 00:26:44,933
signs and symptoms.
553
00:26:44,934 --> 00:26:48,601
So the only probabilities that
these individuals are exposed
554
00:26:48,767 --> 00:26:52,067
to some form of energy,
microwaves, for example.
555
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,100
Microwaves can become
a very cryptic form of attack
556
00:26:57,267 --> 00:27:00,200
because microwave energy
essentially disrupts
557
00:27:00,367 --> 00:27:02,901
the actual mechanisms
of the neurological membranes
558
00:27:03,067 --> 00:27:05,200
and in so doing can,
559
00:27:05,367 --> 00:27:08,267
quote, "rewire,"
if you will, the brain.
560
00:27:08,434 --> 00:27:11,100
Could it be possible that
these types of things
561
00:27:11,267 --> 00:27:14,868
could have been so rapidly
weaponized, so easily scaled,
562
00:27:15,901 --> 00:27:17,367
and so covertly used?
563
00:27:18,467 --> 00:27:20,167
I think the answer
is evident.
564
00:27:22,167 --> 00:27:25,567
Recall the Moscow signal when
microwaves were believed to be
565
00:27:25,734 --> 00:27:28,000
directed at
the U.S. Embassy in Moscow
566
00:27:28,167 --> 00:27:30,167
during the Cold War.
567
00:27:30,334 --> 00:27:33,601
A secret weapon
that can't be seen,
568
00:27:33,767 --> 00:27:37,100
does neurological
and physiological harm.
569
00:27:37,267 --> 00:27:41,100
What it essentially does is it
changes the battlescape.
570
00:27:41,267 --> 00:27:43,801
The nature of conflict
remains the same,
571
00:27:43,968 --> 00:27:45,567
but its character changes.
572
00:27:47,567 --> 00:27:50,467
Dr. Giordano is saying
that the science is there,
573
00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:53,567
but science alone doesn't
prove a weapon exists.
574
00:27:53,734 --> 00:27:56,467
At this point, here's what
holds up and what doesn't.
575
00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:58,667
There's evidence that
microwaves can affect
576
00:27:58,834 --> 00:28:00,066
the human body.
577
00:28:00,067 --> 00:28:02,100
They can be directed and they
could explain some of
578
00:28:02,267 --> 00:28:03,600
the symptoms we've seen.
579
00:28:03,601 --> 00:28:06,701
But we still don't have direct
evidence of a weapon being used
580
00:28:06,868 --> 00:28:08,100
in the real world.
581
00:28:08,267 --> 00:28:10,200
Even though most people will
claim to have never seen
582
00:28:10,367 --> 00:28:13,000
the kind of weapon that was
reported in Havana, I'm about
583
00:28:13,167 --> 00:28:15,200
to meet with a scientist
who says he understands
584
00:28:15,367 --> 00:28:17,767
the microwave technology
the Russians have been using
585
00:28:17,934 --> 00:28:20,467
and may even have evidence
of the weapon itself.
586
00:28:20,634 --> 00:28:21,667
Coming up...
587
00:28:21,834 --> 00:28:23,968
This thing looks like
a shoulder-fired weapon.
588
00:28:24,133 --> 00:28:26,701
You can be hit,
you can't protect yourself
589
00:28:26,868 --> 00:28:30,167
under the circumstances
that they choose to hit you.
590
00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:33,100
And then an expert who
sees things very differently.
591
00:28:33,267 --> 00:28:37,667
This is a global experiment
in mass suggestion.
592
00:28:46,467 --> 00:28:49,367
2
In our quest to determine if
Havana Syndrome is the result
593
00:28:49,534 --> 00:28:52,567
of an advanced, secret
and invisible microwave
technology,
594
00:28:52,734 --> 00:28:55,734
or a powerful story
that's spread faster than
595
00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,167
the evidence, I need to know
whether or not that energy can
596
00:28:59,334 --> 00:29:01,467
be targeted to focus
on a single individual.
597
00:29:02,601 --> 00:29:04,868
So I've invited one of
America's top scientists
598
00:29:05,033 --> 00:29:07,467
specializing in pulsed
microwave technology.
599
00:29:09,167 --> 00:29:11,067
When somebody talks about
a high-power microwave,
600
00:29:11,234 --> 00:29:12,667
how is that different from
601
00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:14,467
the microwave that sits
in my kitchen?
602
00:29:14,634 --> 00:29:17,300
Really high-power microwaves
are made to operate at
603
00:29:17,467 --> 00:29:19,667
extremely high powers.
604
00:29:19,834 --> 00:29:23,167
Tens, hundreds, thousands
of megawatts,
605
00:29:23,334 --> 00:29:26,133
but because of that,
short pulses.
606
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,267
And that's the basis of
what's happening, I believe,
607
00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:31,267
with Havana Syndrome.
608
00:29:31,434 --> 00:29:34,601
Imagine you have this intense
power and it hits the side of
609
00:29:34,767 --> 00:29:37,667
your brain and you get
an almost instantaneous heating
610
00:29:37,834 --> 00:29:41,367
of a thin layer in your brain.
It will initially expand.
611
00:29:41,534 --> 00:29:43,300
It'll overshoot like a spring.
612
00:29:43,467 --> 00:29:45,100
It'll come back
and then it'll return
613
00:29:45,267 --> 00:29:47,267
and you can oscillate
for a while.
614
00:29:47,434 --> 00:29:50,501
That can basically
convert the incoming
615
00:29:50,667 --> 00:29:54,667
electromagnetic energy
into a sound wave.
616
00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:58,601
These pulsed high-power
microwaves are
617
00:29:58,767 --> 00:30:01,767
a wireless system
for shaking the brain.
618
00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:04,167
And that would do so much
damage over time.
619
00:30:04,334 --> 00:30:06,133
You can go
all the way from damage
620
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:09,834
to lowercase disorientation
621
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,868
and some of
the other cognitive effects
622
00:30:12,033 --> 00:30:13,567
that they've experienced.
623
00:30:13,734 --> 00:30:16,968
It's obviously, according to
some of the sufferers of
624
00:30:17,133 --> 00:30:20,767
these attacks, done some
real, long-term damage to them.
625
00:30:20,934 --> 00:30:23,767
Dr. Swegle tells me that even
though microwaves are silent,
626
00:30:23,934 --> 00:30:26,767
the oscillation they cause in
the brain can be experienced
627
00:30:26,934 --> 00:30:30,667
as a sound, which may be why
many Havana Syndrome victims
628
00:30:30,834 --> 00:30:33,000
describe having
heard a noise.
629
00:30:33,167 --> 00:30:36,467
How mobile are
these devices really,
630
00:30:36,634 --> 00:30:38,467
and what do they look like?
631
00:30:38,634 --> 00:30:42,234
This is an example sitting on
a desktop of a commercial device
632
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,567
that's being sold
by the Russians.
633
00:30:44,734 --> 00:30:47,467
This is not that large
a system sitting there.
634
00:30:47,634 --> 00:30:50,400
You can make it to operate
off a car generator.
635
00:30:50,567 --> 00:30:51,834
A friend of his
took this picture
636
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,868
where devices like this
are made.
637
00:30:54,033 --> 00:30:57,167
This device
can generate intense
pulses of radiation
638
00:30:57,334 --> 00:31:00,667
and be optimized for
anti-personnel operations.
639
00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:03,300
This thing looks like
a shoulder-fired weapon,
640
00:31:03,467 --> 00:31:06,033
which means for sure
I could position it in a van,
641
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,567
put it in a car,
put it in a room,
642
00:31:08,734 --> 00:31:11,467
in a window across
the street from a target.
643
00:31:11,634 --> 00:31:12,834
You can be hit.
644
00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:16,300
You can't protect yourself
under the circumstances that
645
00:31:16,467 --> 00:31:18,267
they choose to hit you.
646
00:31:18,434 --> 00:31:21,033
When you hear about victims of
Havana Syndrome,
647
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,501
do you believe their story?
Do you doubt their story?
648
00:31:25,501 --> 00:31:26,934
They have suffered something.
649
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,968
Do I believe it could be
high-power microwaves?
650
00:31:30,133 --> 00:31:33,267
I believe there's a very good
chance microwaves could have
651
00:31:33,434 --> 00:31:37,000
produced this and that devices
that are out there could have
652
00:31:37,167 --> 00:31:41,234
been adapted to do that job.
653
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,300
The idea of the government
beaming something into
654
00:31:43,467 --> 00:31:46,767
your head is one of the oldest
conspiracy theories out there.
655
00:31:46,934 --> 00:31:50,367
As far back as 1927,
a science fiction novel called
656
00:31:50,534 --> 00:31:52,667
"The Tissue-Culture King"
imagined a man who wore
657
00:31:52,834 --> 00:31:54,868
metallic headgear
to protect himself
658
00:31:55,033 --> 00:31:56,868
from outside mental influence,
659
00:31:57,033 --> 00:31:59,267
what would eventually evolve
into the pop culture image
660
00:31:59,434 --> 00:32:02,834
we all know today--
the tinfoil hat.
661
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,868
Today, those ideas show up in
online communities that believe
662
00:32:06,033 --> 00:32:08,868
they're being targeted
by so-called energy weapons
663
00:32:09,033 --> 00:32:11,367
and had thoughts beamed
into their minds.
664
00:32:11,534 --> 00:32:14,834
But there's little evidence to
support those claims at scale.
665
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,734
And that's where things
get complicated.
666
00:32:16,901 --> 00:32:19,267
How do you investigate,
let alone prove something,
667
00:32:19,434 --> 00:32:22,367
when the injuries are
in people's heads?
668
00:32:22,534 --> 00:32:25,300
When symptoms are real,
but the cause is invisible,
669
00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:28,667
it becomes incredibly difficult
to separate what's possible
670
00:32:28,834 --> 00:32:30,267
from what's provable.
671
00:32:30,434 --> 00:32:33,467
In a case like Havana Syndrome,
that line matters.
672
00:32:33,634 --> 00:32:37,267
And once that line starts to
blur, even experts can disagree
673
00:32:37,434 --> 00:32:38,501
on what's really happening.
674
00:32:40,501 --> 00:32:42,567
I've come across somebody
who studies how rumors
675
00:32:42,734 --> 00:32:45,367
turn into mass hysteria
and is poking holes in
676
00:32:45,534 --> 00:32:46,868
the Venezuela story--
677
00:32:47,033 --> 00:32:50,000
medical sociologist
Robert Bartholomew.
678
00:32:50,167 --> 00:32:54,267
Dr. Bartholomew, I'm trying to
better understand what may have
679
00:32:54,434 --> 00:32:57,767
happened in Venezuela and how,
if at all, it's different from
680
00:32:57,934 --> 00:33:00,267
what has been reported
about Havana Syndrome.
681
00:33:00,434 --> 00:33:04,968
The media report, which was
endorsed by the White House
press secretary,
682
00:33:05,133 --> 00:33:08,100
claimed that
when the U.S.
683
00:33:08,267 --> 00:33:12,567
went in there in early January,
they used a sonic weapon,
684
00:33:12,734 --> 00:33:16,000
and it made Maduro's troops
685
00:33:16,167 --> 00:33:19,501
bleed from their noses
and their ears, and they fell
686
00:33:19,667 --> 00:33:22,467
to their knees
and incapacitated them.
687
00:33:29,501 --> 00:33:33,000
When you look at the actual
interviews on state TV
688
00:33:33,167 --> 00:33:34,767
of the soldiers
who were there
689
00:33:34,934 --> 00:33:36,467
when the explosions occurred,
690
00:33:36,634 --> 00:33:38,601
the symptoms that happened were
691
00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:44,133
not examples of some type
of sonic device.
692
00:33:58,567 --> 00:33:59,868
We seek out patterns.
693
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:02,100
We're meaning-
oriented creatures.
694
00:34:02,267 --> 00:34:04,267
And that's what happens here.
695
00:34:04,434 --> 00:34:07,300
What happened in Venezuela
is a great example of
696
00:34:07,467 --> 00:34:09,734
what's been happening
with Havana Syndrome.
697
00:34:09,901 --> 00:34:12,033
When it first came out,
the doctors at
698
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,400
the American State Department
went for
699
00:34:14,567 --> 00:34:18,767
the most exotic hypothesis
early on.
700
00:34:18,934 --> 00:34:22,567
And they've issued alerts
to their diplomats
701
00:34:22,734 --> 00:34:25,400
all over the world
to be on the lookout
702
00:34:25,567 --> 00:34:27,834
for mysterious symptoms.
703
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,934
And they had this laundry list
of symptoms-- headache,
704
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:34,067
nausea, insomnia,
ringing in the ears,
705
00:34:34,234 --> 00:34:37,100
depression, nosebleeds,
and on and on.
706
00:34:37,267 --> 00:34:40,033
Most people have these symptoms
in any given week
707
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,267
in their life.
708
00:34:41,434 --> 00:34:43,567
And lo and behold,
people started reporting
709
00:34:43,734 --> 00:34:44,833
these symptoms.
710
00:34:44,834 --> 00:34:49,400
This is a global experiment
in mass suggestion.
711
00:34:49,567 --> 00:34:54,100
They're just redefining
an array of ambiguous symptoms
712
00:34:54,267 --> 00:34:55,767
that people have all the time.
713
00:34:55,934 --> 00:34:58,267
There's a great saying
that I think applies
714
00:34:58,434 --> 00:35:01,000
to Havana Syndrome--
"Speak of the devil
715
00:35:02,033 --> 00:35:03,968
and he is bound to appear."
716
00:35:04,133 --> 00:35:07,734
It was nothing to do with
pulse microwave radiation.
717
00:35:07,901 --> 00:35:11,367
You know, for me,
this is the power of a story,
718
00:35:11,534 --> 00:35:13,033
the power of belief.
719
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,667
And at the end of the day,
you have to follow the facts,
720
00:35:16,834 --> 00:35:20,267
not as we hope them to be
or want them to be,
721
00:35:20,434 --> 00:35:22,834
but as they are.
722
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,934
Bartholomew's theory is that
there just isn't hard evidence
723
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:29,100
that the Russians or our own
government have ever used
724
00:35:29,267 --> 00:35:30,234
a weapon like this.
725
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,467
They've never been
caught in the act.
726
00:35:32,634 --> 00:35:34,300
On the other hand,
I've heard from multiple
727
00:35:34,467 --> 00:35:37,868
credible witnesses, including
my own former colleagues,
728
00:35:38,033 --> 00:35:40,567
who believe that they were
under some kind of attack,
729
00:35:40,734 --> 00:35:43,000
not just experiencing
heartburn or vertigo.
730
00:35:43,167 --> 00:35:46,467
And if that's true, it raises
a second question.
731
00:35:46,634 --> 00:35:49,067
If something like this is
happening, why hasn't it
732
00:35:49,234 --> 00:35:51,567
been acknowledged?
One possibility?
733
00:35:51,734 --> 00:35:53,367
Escalation.
734
00:35:53,534 --> 00:35:55,934
Acknowledging an attack
like this could be real
735
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:57,834
would potentially
escalate a conflict
736
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,968
with an adversary like Russia.
737
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,500
The other possibility?
738
00:36:01,501 --> 00:36:04,968
That we have a weapon like this
ourselves, and we want to be
739
00:36:05,133 --> 00:36:06,167
able to use it.
740
00:36:06,334 --> 00:36:08,267
Which brings us
back to Venezuela,
741
00:36:08,434 --> 00:36:09,868
where the White House
suggests that
742
00:36:10,033 --> 00:36:12,501
we did use
just such a weapon.
743
00:36:12,667 --> 00:36:15,167
The claim of a so-called
mystery weapon traces back to
744
00:36:15,334 --> 00:36:19,167
a single anonymous account,
one that was amplified online...
745
00:36:19,334 --> 00:36:22,267
Whatever was sent at them made
them fall to their knees
746
00:36:22,434 --> 00:36:23,601
and vomit blood.
747
00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:25,400
...and was echoed
at the highest levels,
748
00:36:26,767 --> 00:36:28,467
but was never
independently confirmed.
749
00:36:29,567 --> 00:36:31,167
So, whatever happened
that night,
750
00:36:31,334 --> 00:36:32,868
there's no clear evidence
that it was
751
00:36:33,033 --> 00:36:34,767
a new kind of weapon at all.
752
00:36:34,934 --> 00:36:37,167
Which means that if I'm going
to figure out if a weapon
753
00:36:37,334 --> 00:36:40,734
like this could be real,
I need real evidence.
754
00:36:40,901 --> 00:36:43,667
Not just other claims,
but something that's actually
755
00:36:43,834 --> 00:36:45,000
been tested.
756
00:36:45,167 --> 00:36:47,400
And I'm about to get
a major piece of intel
757
00:36:47,567 --> 00:36:49,300
that might
finally provide it.
758
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,167
I'm sending you the link
to the article right now.
759
00:36:52,334 --> 00:36:53,601
OK.
760
00:36:54,601 --> 00:36:57,367
"Researcher skeptical of Havana
Syndrome tested the weapon
761
00:36:57,534 --> 00:36:59,000
on himself?" Is this real?
- It's amazing.
762
00:37:07,667 --> 00:37:10,100
2
So far in my investigation,
I've tested how someone
763
00:37:10,267 --> 00:37:12,934
like Alice could be targeted
and whether sound
764
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:16,300
or microwave energy could
explain what people experienced.
765
00:37:16,467 --> 00:37:19,234
But there are still gaps
in what I can actually prove.
766
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,133
At CIA, my wife Jihi
767
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:28,467
was what's known as a
clandestine targeting officer,
768
00:37:28,634 --> 00:37:30,367
which means
she doesn't hunt people
769
00:37:30,534 --> 00:37:32,868
in the field.
She identifies targets,
770
00:37:33,033 --> 00:37:35,667
maps their world and figures
out how we can reach them
771
00:37:35,834 --> 00:37:37,501
without ever being caught.
772
00:37:37,667 --> 00:37:39,601
When we were stationed together
and I was operating in
773
00:37:39,767 --> 00:37:43,167
the field, I always had perfect
confidence knowing that Jihi
774
00:37:43,334 --> 00:37:45,934
had already built a clear
profile and picture of
775
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,567
whoever I was chasing.
776
00:37:47,734 --> 00:37:50,367
So when she tells me that
she found something, I know
777
00:37:50,534 --> 00:37:52,033
it's worth paying attention.
778
00:38:03,067 --> 00:38:04,834
- Hey, girl.
- Hey, babe.
779
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,567
So I found this super
interesting article that
780
00:38:08,734 --> 00:38:10,767
talks about the pulse weapons
781
00:38:10,934 --> 00:38:12,367
that we were
talking about earlier.
782
00:38:12,534 --> 00:38:14,601
I'm sending you the link
to the article right now.
783
00:38:14,767 --> 00:38:16,033
OK.
784
00:38:16,868 --> 00:38:19,501
"Researcher skeptical of Havana
Syndrome tested the weapon
785
00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:21,834
on himself?" Is this real?
- It's amazing.
786
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,968
Yes!
787
00:38:24,033 --> 00:38:26,467
"In 2024,
a Norwegian researcher
788
00:38:26,634 --> 00:38:29,367
"skeptical that pulsed energy
weapons could do damage to
789
00:38:29,534 --> 00:38:34,467
human brains built a device
and tested it on himself."
790
00:38:34,634 --> 00:38:36,501
And what kind of device
did he build?
791
00:38:36,667 --> 00:38:39,367
A machine capable of emitting
powerful pulses
792
00:38:39,534 --> 00:38:41,100
of microwave energy.
793
00:38:42,567 --> 00:38:45,968
He suffered neurological
symptoms similar to those of
794
00:38:46,133 --> 00:38:47,167
Havana Syndrome.
795
00:38:47,334 --> 00:38:49,934
Who would test this
on themselves?
796
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:54,167
He tested it because he was
convinced that it didn't work,
797
00:38:54,334 --> 00:38:57,467
that you couldn't actually
affect somebody biologically
798
00:38:57,634 --> 00:38:59,667
with one of these machines.
799
00:38:59,834 --> 00:39:03,167
Oh my gosh, I doubt
he is skeptical anymore.
800
00:39:03,334 --> 00:39:05,167
This is the strongest
laboratory evidence that
801
00:39:05,334 --> 00:39:08,567
I've seen yet, that this weapon
not only exists,
802
00:39:08,734 --> 00:39:11,834
but that there are
people with symptoms
803
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,601
tied to exposure
to the weapon.
804
00:39:15,667 --> 00:39:16,968
Wow.
805
00:39:19,167 --> 00:39:22,067
The Norwegian researcher gave
us the strongest evidence yet
806
00:39:22,234 --> 00:39:25,100
of what a pulsed energy device
can do, but that's in
807
00:39:25,267 --> 00:39:26,467
a controlled setting.
808
00:39:26,634 --> 00:39:29,067
It proves that this kind of
effect is possible,
809
00:39:29,234 --> 00:39:32,467
but it still leaves the biggest
question unanswered.
810
00:39:32,634 --> 00:39:34,968
Is this happening
in the real world now?
811
00:39:42,567 --> 00:39:45,601
So after investigating,
here's where I land.
812
00:39:45,767 --> 00:39:48,234
On the topic of Venezuela,
until the U.S. government
813
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,100
acknowledges
the details of the weapon,
814
00:39:51,267 --> 00:39:52,767
we'll never know.
815
00:39:52,934 --> 00:39:56,734
In reality, it traces back to
a single anonymous claim
816
00:39:56,901 --> 00:40:00,067
amplified online and echoed
at the highest levels of
817
00:40:00,234 --> 00:40:02,167
government for what
could plausibly be
818
00:40:02,334 --> 00:40:03,267
propaganda reasons.
819
00:40:04,767 --> 00:40:06,400
But Havana is different.
820
00:40:06,567 --> 00:40:09,267
I've spoken to people I trust,
and their experiences
821
00:40:09,434 --> 00:40:10,500
are consistent.
822
00:40:10,501 --> 00:40:13,767
Their symptoms are real,
and those symptoms are
823
00:40:13,934 --> 00:40:15,567
only happening
to specific people
824
00:40:15,734 --> 00:40:19,000
who held sensitive positions in
operations around the world.
825
00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:20,667
Something happened to them.
826
00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:23,467
It wasn't just in their heads.
827
00:40:27,601 --> 00:40:31,667
Now, the question is, what?
A sonic weapon?
828
00:40:31,834 --> 00:40:33,767
As we've learned,
that's unlikely.
829
00:40:38,834 --> 00:40:40,968
But what about
microwave energy?
830
00:40:41,133 --> 00:40:43,167
That's where things get
interesting, because we've
831
00:40:43,334 --> 00:40:47,000
learned that pulsed
microwave energy can
affect the human body,
832
00:40:47,167 --> 00:40:50,167
but possibility is
not proof.
833
00:40:55,167 --> 00:40:58,067
If a weapon like this were
being used, we'd expect to find
834
00:40:58,234 --> 00:40:59,367
something concrete.
835
00:41:00,267 --> 00:41:03,601
A device, a signal, some kind
of physical evidence
836
00:41:03,767 --> 00:41:05,367
that appears again and again.
837
00:41:06,567 --> 00:41:08,267
And so far, we haven't.
838
00:41:12,267 --> 00:41:14,234
We have a theory
that makes sense.
839
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,067
We have a technology
that could explain it.
840
00:41:17,234 --> 00:41:20,367
But we don't have any evidence
to close the case.
841
00:41:20,534 --> 00:41:23,100
And without proof,
you can't act,
842
00:41:23,267 --> 00:41:26,367
and without action,
whatever caused this
843
00:41:26,534 --> 00:41:28,000
could still be out there.
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