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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,767 --> 00:00:03,701 It's an invisible weapon. 2 00:00:03,868 --> 00:00:05,667 Can't see it. Can't hear it. 3 00:00:05,834 --> 00:00:08,567 Nobody knows you were there. To the world, nothing happened. 4 00:00:08,734 --> 00:00:09,667 A family got sick. 5 00:00:10,868 --> 00:00:13,601 Find the router. Find the family. 6 00:00:13,767 --> 00:00:15,167 - Make the hit. - Leave. 7 00:00:16,167 --> 00:00:18,267 And no wonder it's so hard to prove this. 8 00:00:20,367 --> 00:00:22,300 Let's face it. There are so many 9 00:00:22,467 --> 00:00:24,567 government conspiracies, it can be hard to tell 10 00:00:24,734 --> 00:00:27,167 what's real and what's not. 11 00:00:27,334 --> 00:00:28,567 My name is Andrew Bustamante, 12 00:00:28,734 --> 00:00:32,167 and I am a former covert CIA intelligence officer. 13 00:00:32,334 --> 00:00:34,968 And I'm going to pressure test the most sensational, 14 00:00:35,133 --> 00:00:38,200 ripped-from-the-headlines conspiracy theories out there 15 00:00:38,367 --> 00:00:40,501 to help you separate fact from fiction. 16 00:00:55,434 --> 00:00:56,901 It came just after the new year. 17 00:00:58,467 --> 00:01:01,200 The American surgical attack on Venezuela that captured 18 00:01:01,367 --> 00:01:02,467 President Nicolas Maduro. 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 We all remember hearing the story. 20 00:01:06,167 --> 00:01:08,701 Nearly 100 foreign soldiers decimated by 21 00:01:08,868 --> 00:01:11,100 a small strike team of special operators 22 00:01:11,267 --> 00:01:13,267 in and out in less than 30 minutes. 23 00:01:13,434 --> 00:01:15,501 But then in the aftermath, we remember hearing about 24 00:01:15,667 --> 00:01:17,767 something else just as striking. 25 00:01:17,934 --> 00:01:19,367 Venezuelan soldiers attacked 26 00:01:19,534 --> 00:01:22,267 by some kind of invisible, powerful weapon 27 00:01:22,434 --> 00:01:24,467 that left them on the ground bleeding 28 00:01:24,634 --> 00:01:26,100 from their nose and vomiting blood. 29 00:01:32,167 --> 00:01:35,367 As these reports spread online, it wasn't long before they were 30 00:01:35,534 --> 00:01:37,868 tied to other strange attacks. 31 00:01:38,033 --> 00:01:40,868 Attacks that began more than a decade ago. 32 00:01:41,033 --> 00:01:42,667 Only this time, the targets weren't 33 00:01:42,834 --> 00:01:45,868 foreign soldiers, they were Americans. 34 00:01:46,033 --> 00:01:49,467 It's even got a name, "Havana Syndrome." 35 00:01:49,634 --> 00:01:52,367 American diplomats serving in Cuba may have been the target 36 00:01:52,534 --> 00:01:53,766 of deliberate attacks. 37 00:01:53,767 --> 00:01:55,901 Several suffering symptoms that the State Department has 38 00:01:56,067 --> 00:01:57,299 not elaborated on. 39 00:01:57,300 --> 00:01:59,267 Since the attacks became public, the U.S. 40 00:01:59,434 --> 00:02:01,901 has pulled out more than half its diplomatic personnel 41 00:02:02,067 --> 00:02:03,199 from Havana. 42 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,801 Were American diplomats and intelligence officers 43 00:02:05,968 --> 00:02:08,567 targeted by the same kind of invisible weapon that 44 00:02:08,734 --> 00:02:10,667 could have been used in Venezuela? 45 00:02:10,834 --> 00:02:13,367 Some U.S. intelligence agencies have downplayed the idea 46 00:02:13,534 --> 00:02:16,767 for years, but other parts of the U.S. federal government 47 00:02:16,934 --> 00:02:19,901 and the victims themselves believe otherwise. 48 00:02:20,067 --> 00:02:23,667 Every single person I have met thinks it's real and thinks 49 00:02:23,834 --> 00:02:27,000 that there is a culture of conspiracy to cover it up. 50 00:02:27,167 --> 00:02:29,567 Are we really under threat from some kind of new, 51 00:02:29,734 --> 00:02:31,667 devastating, invisible weapon? 52 00:02:31,834 --> 00:02:34,467 What isn't the government telling us, and why? 53 00:02:35,501 --> 00:02:36,701 On this episode, 54 00:02:36,868 --> 00:02:38,367 I'll pressure test the plausibility, 55 00:02:38,534 --> 00:02:41,767 capability, and evidence of such a weapon to separate 56 00:02:41,934 --> 00:02:43,767 the fact and fiction. 57 00:02:43,934 --> 00:02:46,200 I want a firsthand account of an attack from 58 00:02:46,367 --> 00:02:50,000 a fellow former spy suffering from Havana Syndrome. 59 00:02:50,167 --> 00:02:51,567 And as soon as I walked into the room, 60 00:02:51,734 --> 00:02:54,667 I experienced vertigo. The room was spinning. 61 00:02:54,834 --> 00:02:57,100 I'll track down one of the world's top experts 62 00:02:57,267 --> 00:02:58,801 on this secret technology. 63 00:02:58,968 --> 00:03:02,868 These are a wireless system for shaking in the brain. 64 00:03:03,868 --> 00:03:06,667 Conduct never-before-seen targeting demonstrations. 65 00:03:06,834 --> 00:03:08,200 It sees right through your walls. 66 00:03:08,367 --> 00:03:09,634 I mean, that, that's just wild. 67 00:03:11,467 --> 00:03:13,868 And meet an expert with a radical alternate take on 68 00:03:14,033 --> 00:03:15,667 these conspiracy theories. 69 00:03:15,834 --> 00:03:20,901 This is a global experiment in mass psychogenic illness. 70 00:03:21,067 --> 00:03:24,200 All to answer the question, is Havana Syndrome the result 71 00:03:24,367 --> 00:03:26,901 of secret, invisible weapon technology, like what's been 72 00:03:27,067 --> 00:03:30,100 reported in Venezuela, or just a powerful story that 73 00:03:30,267 --> 00:03:31,567 spread faster than the evidence? 74 00:03:38,701 --> 00:03:40,667 One week after the Maduro capture, 75 00:03:41,767 --> 00:03:44,767 the White House press secretary retweeted what appeared to be 76 00:03:44,934 --> 00:03:47,467 an interview with a Venezuelan soldier with an account of 77 00:03:47,634 --> 00:03:50,667 the mysterious attack, which may have been based on 78 00:03:50,834 --> 00:03:52,767 this video posted online. 79 00:04:17,767 --> 00:04:20,467 The response on social media was explosive. 80 00:04:20,634 --> 00:04:24,601 Had the U.S. just deployed a new, secret weapon? 81 00:04:27,067 --> 00:04:29,567 In situations like this, information often comes in 82 00:04:29,734 --> 00:04:31,901 pieces from sources, officials, 83 00:04:32,067 --> 00:04:33,267 and public statements. 84 00:04:33,434 --> 00:04:35,801 And it's not always clear what's been confirmed 85 00:04:35,968 --> 00:04:37,233 and what hasn't. 86 00:04:37,234 --> 00:04:40,167 And when you strip it down, it all comes back to a single 87 00:04:40,334 --> 00:04:41,701 unverified source. 88 00:04:41,868 --> 00:04:45,567 No photos, no video, no independent confirmation. 89 00:04:45,734 --> 00:04:48,701 Just a story that, at least online, is starting to 90 00:04:48,868 --> 00:04:50,099 feel real. 91 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,767 So if I want to know whether this kind of weapon exists, 92 00:04:52,934 --> 00:04:55,367 I need to go back to where it all began. 93 00:04:55,534 --> 00:04:56,701 The mysterious attacks 94 00:04:56,868 --> 00:04:58,901 targeting American diplomats in Cuba. 95 00:04:59,067 --> 00:05:00,667 They get these really weird symptoms. 96 00:05:00,834 --> 00:05:02,132 We don't know what it is. 97 00:05:02,133 --> 00:05:05,667 In the fall of 2016, a number of American diplomats 98 00:05:05,834 --> 00:05:08,667 based in Cuba came down with a mysterious illness 99 00:05:08,834 --> 00:05:11,501 after incidents in which it felt like they were being attacked 100 00:05:11,667 --> 00:05:13,467 by an invisible force. 101 00:05:13,634 --> 00:05:18,367 We can confirm that at least 16 U.S. government employees 102 00:05:18,534 --> 00:05:21,701 have experienced some kind of symptom. 103 00:05:21,868 --> 00:05:24,567 Some said the attack began with a noise, followed by 104 00:05:24,734 --> 00:05:27,501 a range of symptoms like vertigo, hearing loss, 105 00:05:27,667 --> 00:05:29,501 loss of memory and focus. 106 00:05:29,667 --> 00:05:32,267 I woke up with a full body convulsion. 107 00:05:32,434 --> 00:05:35,267 The worst pain I have ever felt, 108 00:05:36,667 --> 00:05:39,701 it felt like a Vise gripping my brain stem. 109 00:05:39,868 --> 00:05:44,667 I could actually feel my brain shutting down, like it just, 110 00:05:44,834 --> 00:05:46,100 everything kind of went black. 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,801 Respected State Department and CIA officials were 112 00:05:49,968 --> 00:05:52,300 telling similar stories of being attacked. 113 00:05:52,467 --> 00:05:55,400 But without anyone actually seeing a weapon, even some of 114 00:05:55,567 --> 00:05:57,200 their colleagues had doubts. 115 00:05:57,367 --> 00:06:00,167 You would expect at some point you would find something, 116 00:06:00,334 --> 00:06:01,701 some type of evidence. 117 00:06:02,701 --> 00:06:06,067 Meanwhile, as more victims emerged to tell their story, 118 00:06:06,234 --> 00:06:08,167 many grew increasingly frustrated with 119 00:06:08,334 --> 00:06:11,367 the government's muted response and its explanations, 120 00:06:11,534 --> 00:06:14,100 which often pointed to environmental factors, 121 00:06:14,267 --> 00:06:16,000 stress, or anxiety. 122 00:06:16,167 --> 00:06:19,100 As a result, some began calling it a cover-up that reached 123 00:06:19,267 --> 00:06:21,501 the highest levels of government. 124 00:06:21,667 --> 00:06:24,167 The symptoms described were strikingly similar to 125 00:06:24,334 --> 00:06:26,467 the Venezuelan soldier's account. 126 00:06:26,634 --> 00:06:29,067 Neurological symptoms, sudden onset, 127 00:06:29,234 --> 00:06:30,300 no visible weapon. 128 00:06:31,934 --> 00:06:34,501 If there is a connection, I want to dig deeper into 129 00:06:34,667 --> 00:06:37,667 a specific attack to determine the motive behind them. 130 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,000 And I've tracked down someone who is willing to 131 00:06:41,167 --> 00:06:42,067 tell her story. 132 00:06:47,667 --> 00:06:49,501 I'm here to meet with a woman named Alice, 133 00:06:49,667 --> 00:06:51,968 who describes herself as a Havana Syndrome survivor 134 00:06:52,133 --> 00:06:53,266 and a whistleblower. 135 00:06:53,267 --> 00:06:55,901 She's only been out of the agency for a few years, 136 00:06:56,067 --> 00:06:58,000 but she believes that she may have been pushed out 137 00:06:58,167 --> 00:06:59,801 because of her condition. 138 00:06:59,968 --> 00:07:02,667 Not every person who experienced Havana Syndrome effects 139 00:07:02,834 --> 00:07:04,000 was in Cuba. 140 00:07:04,167 --> 00:07:06,300 Alice was based in a West African country 141 00:07:06,467 --> 00:07:09,000 when she claims she was hit. 142 00:07:09,167 --> 00:07:11,667 Can you just take me back to 143 00:07:11,834 --> 00:07:14,968 what life was like the day before everything started? 144 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:19,701 I was working for the whole day, and at night, I came home, 145 00:07:19,868 --> 00:07:21,767 and then I heard the noise. 146 00:07:21,934 --> 00:07:24,000 It was kind of a low, pulsating sound, 147 00:07:24,167 --> 00:07:25,667 almost like a reverb. 148 00:07:25,834 --> 00:07:28,267 And I asked my spouse at the time, like, "Hey, 149 00:07:28,434 --> 00:07:30,567 do you hear that weird noise?" And he said, "What noise?" 150 00:07:30,734 --> 00:07:31,701 And that should have been the first clue 151 00:07:31,868 --> 00:07:33,067 that something was up. 152 00:07:33,234 --> 00:07:35,601 And so I went back into the room that I had been in, 153 00:07:35,767 --> 00:07:37,200 and as soon as I walked into the room, 154 00:07:37,367 --> 00:07:40,100 I experienced vertigo. The room was spinning. 155 00:07:40,267 --> 00:07:44,300 I had a lot of pressure in my left ear, a lot of pain. 156 00:07:44,467 --> 00:07:46,467 I got less and less conscious. 157 00:07:46,634 --> 00:07:48,667 My, like, field of vision was narrowing. 158 00:07:48,834 --> 00:07:50,300 I knew I needed to get out of the house, 159 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,267 and I opened the door expecting to hear the sound outside, 160 00:07:54,434 --> 00:07:55,767 and it was quiet. 161 00:07:55,934 --> 00:07:58,968 And that was terrifying, because I assumed the sound was 162 00:07:59,133 --> 00:08:03,267 coming from outside, of course, and that that was odd, too. 163 00:08:03,434 --> 00:08:06,801 So I got back into the house and I went up the stairs, 164 00:08:06,968 --> 00:08:10,100 turned the lights off and I stayed below the window 165 00:08:10,267 --> 00:08:11,901 and tried to go to sleep. 166 00:08:12,067 --> 00:08:15,801 And then next morning, I woke up and I had work to do. 167 00:08:15,968 --> 00:08:18,968 By that afternoon, I couldn't walk straight. 168 00:08:19,133 --> 00:08:21,100 I was really dizzy. I felt like I was on a boat 169 00:08:21,267 --> 00:08:23,667 and I knew something was really wrong. 170 00:08:23,834 --> 00:08:27,601 So the next morning, I went into the embassy medical unit, 171 00:08:27,767 --> 00:08:31,767 and I'll never forget, this woman went immediately to 172 00:08:31,934 --> 00:08:33,968 call my boss and start the process of medically 173 00:08:34,133 --> 00:08:36,267 evacuating us to America straight away. 174 00:08:36,434 --> 00:08:37,701 Wow. 175 00:08:39,367 --> 00:08:43,367 What are some of the types of long-term physical symptoms? 176 00:08:43,534 --> 00:08:46,267 For me, some of the biggest things are chronic migraines, 177 00:08:46,434 --> 00:08:47,600 five days a week. 178 00:08:47,601 --> 00:08:50,300 I've been in the ER a couple times in the last month. 179 00:08:50,467 --> 00:08:52,267 Um, insomnia. 180 00:08:52,434 --> 00:08:54,667 My cognitive processing is not what it used to be, 181 00:08:54,834 --> 00:08:56,367 and that's really hard because it's so essential 182 00:08:56,534 --> 00:08:57,467 to our identities. 183 00:08:58,901 --> 00:09:00,300 I found out after the fact 184 00:09:00,467 --> 00:09:02,868 that there had been multiple people affected 185 00:09:03,033 --> 00:09:05,968 in the region, including in the country I was in before me. 186 00:09:06,133 --> 00:09:07,868 But I didn't know it at that time. 187 00:09:08,033 --> 00:09:10,467 Cases of American government officials experiencing 188 00:09:10,634 --> 00:09:12,901 invisible attacks have been reported in about 189 00:09:13,067 --> 00:09:16,767 a dozen locations after Havana, including Guangzhou, China, 190 00:09:16,934 --> 00:09:19,467 Moscow, Austria, Colombia, 191 00:09:19,634 --> 00:09:21,767 Syria, and even here in the U.S. 192 00:09:21,934 --> 00:09:25,334 in Washington, D.C., just outside the White House. 193 00:09:27,801 --> 00:09:30,701 For a lot of us, it became apparent from the get-go 194 00:09:30,868 --> 00:09:33,667 just how consistent our experiences were. 195 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:36,067 So you're saying that, essentially, people reported 196 00:09:36,234 --> 00:09:38,100 the experience of being attacked? 197 00:09:38,267 --> 00:09:41,000 - Yeah. - Individualized, intentional. 198 00:09:41,167 --> 00:09:44,767 But also there were a number of key trends in terms of 199 00:09:44,934 --> 00:09:46,100 what people worked on. 200 00:09:46,267 --> 00:09:49,567 There was an abundance of people that were experts on 201 00:09:49,734 --> 00:09:52,701 the Russian target that had all served together in Ukraine 202 00:09:52,868 --> 00:09:55,467 in 2014. Interesting, right? 203 00:09:55,634 --> 00:09:58,601 - So among that group of people... - Mm-hmm. 204 00:09:58,767 --> 00:10:02,400 ...there's also parallels in what they were experts in? 205 00:10:02,567 --> 00:10:04,200 - Correct. - I think the world talks about 206 00:10:04,367 --> 00:10:06,400 these possible attacks as if 207 00:10:06,567 --> 00:10:08,701 they are tactical attacks, right? 208 00:10:08,868 --> 00:10:10,767 "I want to hurt you right now." 209 00:10:10,934 --> 00:10:13,968 But you're layering in this question that makes me wonder 210 00:10:14,133 --> 00:10:17,868 if it also isn't a strategic attack, a long-term 211 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,968 attack. - And I think you're spot on. 212 00:10:21,133 --> 00:10:24,467 The Russians, they're incredibly creative 213 00:10:24,634 --> 00:10:29,200 and quite good at doing things that can really affect a person, 214 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:31,200 but not necessarily kill them. 215 00:10:31,367 --> 00:10:33,467 Because there's a psychological warfare advantage. 216 00:10:33,634 --> 00:10:34,701 Yeah, for sure. 217 00:10:34,868 --> 00:10:36,267 It's kind of a perfect weapon, right? 218 00:10:40,367 --> 00:10:43,100 Russia is often the first suspect because they've done 219 00:10:43,267 --> 00:10:45,868 things like this before. During the Cold War, 220 00:10:46,033 --> 00:10:48,567 U.S. officials discovered that something was being directed at 221 00:10:48,734 --> 00:10:51,767 the American embassy in Moscow from a nearby building. 222 00:10:51,934 --> 00:10:53,968 Hidden somewhere in this apartment building across 223 00:10:54,133 --> 00:10:57,000 the street are instruments American experts believe are 224 00:10:57,167 --> 00:10:59,901 aiming microwaves at the upper floors of the embassy. 225 00:11:00,133 --> 00:11:02,801 The incident became known as the Moscow Signal. 226 00:11:02,968 --> 00:11:05,567 For decades, something invisible was aimed 227 00:11:05,734 --> 00:11:09,067 at the embassy, but no one could say for sure why. 228 00:11:09,234 --> 00:11:10,901 The motives are still being debated. 229 00:11:11,067 --> 00:11:13,968 It may have been to jam our eavesdropping devices. 230 00:11:14,133 --> 00:11:16,601 The official explanation was that the signal was too weak 231 00:11:16,767 --> 00:11:19,767 to cause harm. But not everyone believed that, 232 00:11:19,934 --> 00:11:23,000 because for years those signals weren't just filling the air, 233 00:11:23,167 --> 00:11:25,801 they were focusing on a single building. 234 00:11:25,968 --> 00:11:28,000 And that raises a much bigger question. 235 00:11:28,167 --> 00:11:30,267 If decades ago, something like that could be aimed 236 00:11:30,434 --> 00:11:33,968 at a building, could it be aimed at a person today? 237 00:11:35,767 --> 00:11:38,567 And if something like that is behind what happened to Alice, 238 00:11:38,734 --> 00:11:41,901 it would mean someone knew exactly who she was, 239 00:11:42,067 --> 00:11:45,367 where she was, and knew when to strike. 240 00:11:45,534 --> 00:11:47,400 Because a weapon that could have been used on Alice 241 00:11:47,567 --> 00:11:50,300 and Havana victims doesn't just hit a building, 242 00:11:50,467 --> 00:11:51,868 it hits a person. 243 00:11:52,033 --> 00:11:54,400 So I need to find out whether someone could actually track 244 00:11:54,567 --> 00:11:58,100 and target a person like Alice without her ever knowing. 245 00:11:58,267 --> 00:11:59,901 And that's something I can test. 246 00:12:01,667 --> 00:12:02,801 Coming up, 247 00:12:03,701 --> 00:12:06,300 a private investigator who specializes in tracking 248 00:12:06,467 --> 00:12:07,801 and targeting individuals. 249 00:12:07,968 --> 00:12:10,801 If you're connected to technology in any way, 250 00:12:10,968 --> 00:12:12,567 I will find you. - Will show me 251 00:12:12,734 --> 00:12:15,100 how people like Alice could find themselves in 252 00:12:15,267 --> 00:12:17,200 the crosshairs of a dangerous secret weapon. 253 00:12:26,868 --> 00:12:29,367 2 I'm testing the connection between top-secret weapons 254 00:12:29,534 --> 00:12:32,701 like the one used in Cuba and Havana Syndrome. 255 00:12:32,868 --> 00:12:35,701 Alice, a fellow former covert CIA operative, 256 00:12:35,868 --> 00:12:38,367 makes a plausible case that the attacks were not 257 00:12:38,534 --> 00:12:41,167 environmental or imagined incidents. 258 00:12:41,334 --> 00:12:43,968 But now I'm going to push that further and test 259 00:12:44,133 --> 00:12:45,567 if you're a foreign adversary 260 00:12:45,734 --> 00:12:47,701 bent on attacking American operators 261 00:12:47,868 --> 00:12:50,267 living and working undercover around the world, 262 00:12:50,434 --> 00:12:53,868 how would you identify them, track them, and target them? 263 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:04,367 I'm on my way to meet with a good friend of mine who lives 264 00:13:04,534 --> 00:13:06,501 a very private life. 265 00:13:06,667 --> 00:13:08,868 He's got a job that's pretty high stakes, so he keeps 266 00:13:09,033 --> 00:13:12,300 a very small digital online footprint intentionally. 267 00:13:13,801 --> 00:13:16,467 So to truly carry out an experiment that tests 268 00:13:16,634 --> 00:13:18,801 whether or not an individual can be targeted when they don't 269 00:13:18,968 --> 00:13:20,868 want to be targeted, he's the perfect candidate. 270 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,901 Matt, give me a sense of what you think your level 271 00:13:28,067 --> 00:13:30,000 of security, your level of privacy is? 272 00:13:30,167 --> 00:13:32,200 My whole household, my wife, myself, my kids, 273 00:13:32,367 --> 00:13:35,467 we're pretty under the radar, at least I think so. 274 00:13:35,634 --> 00:13:37,167 I have no social media accounts. 275 00:13:37,334 --> 00:13:40,567 I really try to stay off of online platforms 276 00:13:40,734 --> 00:13:42,032 just in general. 277 00:13:42,033 --> 00:13:45,167 You're one of the most private people that I know, so I would 278 00:13:45,334 --> 00:13:48,367 love to fold you in on this. - I'd be happy to help. 279 00:13:48,534 --> 00:13:50,767 So just live your daily life like normal. 280 00:13:50,934 --> 00:13:54,067 And then what we'll do is we'll meet up again in a couple days, 281 00:13:54,234 --> 00:13:57,267 and I'll tell you what we are or are not able to find out. 282 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,467 If you want to locate someone who doesn't want to be found, 283 00:14:05,634 --> 00:14:06,767 Jake Gray is your man. 284 00:14:06,934 --> 00:14:08,067 Welcome, man. 285 00:14:08,234 --> 00:14:09,501 Thanks for having me. 286 00:14:09,667 --> 00:14:11,868 A former law enforcement officer, he's hunted 287 00:14:12,033 --> 00:14:15,167 terrorists, cartel members, and sex traffickers, 288 00:14:15,334 --> 00:14:18,467 and now works in private intelligence. 289 00:14:18,634 --> 00:14:22,400 I'm really trying to dig deeper into the Havana attacks that 290 00:14:22,567 --> 00:14:24,501 have been reported, not only by the press, 291 00:14:24,667 --> 00:14:26,968 but also by individuals in government. 292 00:14:27,133 --> 00:14:29,868 Can you tell me how technical evidence kind of cascades, 293 00:14:30,033 --> 00:14:32,367 how you build a big picture from just a little bit 294 00:14:32,534 --> 00:14:33,667 of information? 295 00:14:33,834 --> 00:14:35,901 We start targeting signals interception, right? 296 00:14:36,067 --> 00:14:39,367 It's tracking cellular devices, watches, tablets. 297 00:14:39,534 --> 00:14:41,467 Then we start doing dump-and-breach datas. 298 00:14:41,634 --> 00:14:44,100 Then we send guys out and figure out what the area 299 00:14:44,267 --> 00:14:45,667 is like, what their house is like. 300 00:14:45,834 --> 00:14:49,167 Is surveillance an option? Is a single target an option? 301 00:14:49,334 --> 00:14:52,767 Where we use tech like RF sniffers to track people 302 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:54,233 in their houses. 303 00:14:54,234 --> 00:14:58,100 Utilizing all that information brings together a totality of 304 00:14:58,267 --> 00:15:01,300 the target and how we would act after that. 305 00:15:01,467 --> 00:15:04,367 What percentage of people would you say actually have 306 00:15:04,534 --> 00:15:08,701 a technical profile that you couldn't identify? 307 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:13,567 Outside of your tribesmen, right, like that don't even 308 00:15:13,734 --> 00:15:17,667 know what technology is, you know, it's probably 309 00:15:17,834 --> 00:15:20,567 less than a percent that we can't touch. - Less than 1%? 310 00:15:20,734 --> 00:15:23,267 Yeah, basically if you're connected to technology 311 00:15:23,434 --> 00:15:25,467 in any way, I will find you. 312 00:15:27,267 --> 00:15:30,167 Many Havana Syndrome victims were living overseas 313 00:15:30,334 --> 00:15:33,200 and undercover, in other words, tough to find, 314 00:15:33,367 --> 00:15:35,767 but not that tough for Jake to find. 315 00:15:35,934 --> 00:15:39,267 He's showing us how with our guinea pig, Matt. 316 00:15:39,434 --> 00:15:41,901 The first step is geolocating Matt's phone 317 00:15:42,067 --> 00:15:43,167 and tracking its movements. 318 00:15:45,067 --> 00:15:47,300 Then Jake puts boots on the ground to follow 319 00:15:47,467 --> 00:15:49,367 the digital breadcrumbs to identify him. 320 00:15:51,167 --> 00:15:54,567 From there, Jake can begin to unlock his online history 321 00:15:54,734 --> 00:15:57,901 and create a profile, which may be enough to target him. 322 00:15:59,067 --> 00:16:01,067 So, we have here geolocation data that 323 00:16:01,234 --> 00:16:02,500 we talked about before. 324 00:16:02,501 --> 00:16:05,000 Able to target devices from that phone number you gave me. 325 00:16:05,167 --> 00:16:08,767 If we zoom in here, this is where he lives. 326 00:16:08,934 --> 00:16:12,868 If you follow these dots that were dropped from the device, 327 00:16:13,033 --> 00:16:15,868 he takes this route here down this road 328 00:16:16,033 --> 00:16:17,267 all the way till he gets 329 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,767 to where we've established his place of employment's at. 330 00:16:20,934 --> 00:16:23,000 - Wow, look at all that data. - Just here. 331 00:16:23,167 --> 00:16:26,000 And we think these are lunch spots right down the road. 332 00:16:26,167 --> 00:16:28,567 What else did this give you? 333 00:16:28,734 --> 00:16:30,400 So, we have a few interesting places 334 00:16:31,501 --> 00:16:34,601 which you have these signals here which goes to a school, 335 00:16:34,767 --> 00:16:37,167 you know where his kids are, and if he's gone and we wanted 336 00:16:37,334 --> 00:16:38,567 to target that, we could. 337 00:16:38,734 --> 00:16:41,901 I know this guy, his number one priority is 338 00:16:42,067 --> 00:16:45,100 protecting his kids, and you found his kids' school. 339 00:16:45,267 --> 00:16:47,367 - Yep, - That's like every person's nightmare. 340 00:16:47,534 --> 00:16:50,167 - Yeah, - What do we do next? 341 00:16:50,334 --> 00:16:52,067 Physical surveillance, at this point. 342 00:16:52,234 --> 00:16:54,400 We go to his house, his work, figure out 343 00:16:54,567 --> 00:16:58,667 where we can truly target him and something that we can use 344 00:16:58,834 --> 00:17:00,066 to do that as an RF sniffer. 345 00:17:00,067 --> 00:17:01,367 What does that mean in layman's terms? 346 00:17:01,534 --> 00:17:05,801 So, everybody that has internet has a Wi-Fi router, right? 347 00:17:05,968 --> 00:17:09,868 That Wi-Fi router just pushes out RF frequencies, which are 348 00:17:10,033 --> 00:17:12,367 like little, you know, imagine like little waves 349 00:17:12,534 --> 00:17:14,100 moving through your house at all times. 350 00:17:14,267 --> 00:17:17,167 The RF sniffer measures the disturbance in those waves, 351 00:17:17,334 --> 00:17:20,801 and I can follow those disturbances or that person 352 00:17:20,968 --> 00:17:22,267 through their house. 353 00:17:22,434 --> 00:17:23,667 - In real time? - In real time. 354 00:17:25,167 --> 00:17:27,567 And we're gonna do that to our target? 355 00:17:27,734 --> 00:17:29,067 Yep. 356 00:17:29,901 --> 00:17:32,868 Most Havana Syndrome victims say they were hit at home 357 00:17:33,033 --> 00:17:35,067 and targeted very precisely. 358 00:17:35,234 --> 00:17:36,467 Remember Alice heard the noise 359 00:17:36,634 --> 00:17:39,000 her husband standing next to her didn't hear? 360 00:17:39,167 --> 00:17:41,601 And I asked my spouse at the time, like, "Hey, 361 00:17:41,767 --> 00:17:44,100 do you hear that weird noise?" And he said, "What noise?" 362 00:17:44,267 --> 00:17:46,567 Assuming there was a weapon, it must have had 363 00:17:46,734 --> 00:17:48,300 pinpoint accuracy. 364 00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:50,701 So we're heading to Matt's house, where Jake is going to 365 00:17:50,868 --> 00:17:54,567 show me how he uses his RF sniffer to target individuals 366 00:17:54,734 --> 00:17:57,000 room by room. - It's right up here. 367 00:17:57,167 --> 00:17:58,767 Yep, right up here on the other side of that truck. 368 00:17:58,934 --> 00:18:00,100 I see it. 369 00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:12,467 This feels creepy, man. That's my friend in there. 370 00:18:12,634 --> 00:18:15,267 And I'm in a blacked-out car across the street. 371 00:18:15,434 --> 00:18:17,467 All right. What's next? 372 00:18:17,634 --> 00:18:20,567 We're gonna break out the RF sniffer, see if we can 373 00:18:20,734 --> 00:18:22,567 capture some movement. - All right. 374 00:18:22,734 --> 00:18:23,868 - You ready? - Yeah, let's do it. 375 00:18:28,467 --> 00:18:30,467 What is the sniffer doing right now? 376 00:18:30,634 --> 00:18:32,400 Right now, I'm setting up the, uh, 377 00:18:32,567 --> 00:18:37,100 the prompt for it to attack the router to then run 378 00:18:37,267 --> 00:18:41,501 its code, run its script to send us back the signals that 379 00:18:41,667 --> 00:18:42,601 we're looking to intercept. 380 00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:46,667 So here you go, OK? 381 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:49,200 Jake's showing me how each green dot represents 382 00:18:49,367 --> 00:18:51,067 a different person in the house. 383 00:18:51,234 --> 00:18:53,868 We can tell where they are based on how close they are to 384 00:18:54,033 --> 00:18:56,267 the red dot, the Wi-Fi router. 385 00:18:56,434 --> 00:18:58,701 This isn't a weapon, it's a tracking tool, 386 00:18:58,868 --> 00:19:01,467 but it proves how precisely a house's occupants can 387 00:19:01,634 --> 00:19:03,300 be mapped. - You see how it's going down? 388 00:19:03,467 --> 00:19:05,467 Exactly. That lower right quadrant is 389 00:19:05,634 --> 00:19:07,868 very clearly that corner 390 00:19:08,033 --> 00:19:09,667 of the house. - Yep. 391 00:19:09,834 --> 00:19:12,901 Every time that red dot jumps, it's essentially picking up on 392 00:19:13,067 --> 00:19:15,267 another movement in the house. - Correct. 393 00:19:15,434 --> 00:19:19,000 So it's always a red dot, but it could be jumping from 394 00:19:19,167 --> 00:19:20,501 person to person. - Person to person. 395 00:19:20,667 --> 00:19:23,100 So if we wanted to hit a target 396 00:19:24,267 --> 00:19:25,968 with some kind of weapon, 397 00:19:27,467 --> 00:19:32,167 we would want to aim for the room with the router, 398 00:19:32,334 --> 00:19:35,801 and we want to aim now because that's where the most activity 399 00:19:35,968 --> 00:19:37,233 is happening. 400 00:19:37,234 --> 00:19:41,100 If your goal is to not care about collateral damage, yeah. 401 00:19:41,267 --> 00:19:43,200 Wow. But this is what it looks like. 402 00:19:43,367 --> 00:19:44,467 We don't see a face. 403 00:19:44,634 --> 00:19:47,000 We don't see a physical description. 404 00:19:47,167 --> 00:19:49,267 - We get a dot. - You get a dot. 405 00:19:49,434 --> 00:19:51,267 I can see how an adversary would take the shot. 406 00:19:52,567 --> 00:19:54,000 This is an invisible weapon, so 407 00:19:55,367 --> 00:19:57,868 to the world, nothing happened. A family got sick. 408 00:19:59,167 --> 00:20:01,901 Can't see it, can't hear it. Nobody knows you were there. 409 00:20:03,167 --> 00:20:05,868 If we wanted to hyper-isolate our target even more... 410 00:20:06,033 --> 00:20:08,067 - Mm-hmm. - ...how would we do that? 411 00:20:08,234 --> 00:20:12,000 Find a choke point to where it's strictly him. 412 00:20:12,167 --> 00:20:13,868 Do you see a choke point in his pattern of life? 413 00:20:14,033 --> 00:20:15,367 - I do. - Where? 414 00:20:15,534 --> 00:20:17,601 Where he parks every single day when he goes to work. 415 00:20:17,767 --> 00:20:19,400 He parks in the same spot every day? 416 00:20:19,567 --> 00:20:23,467 Same spot, and it's basically three walls and one exit. 417 00:20:23,634 --> 00:20:25,267 So you want to try to get him at work instead? 418 00:20:25,434 --> 00:20:26,801 That's where I would do it. 419 00:20:26,968 --> 00:20:28,701 Nobody expects it in the middle of the day, either. 420 00:20:28,868 --> 00:20:31,300 Man, he's in a, he's in a kill box. 421 00:20:33,767 --> 00:20:37,567 Coming up, Matt learns just how vulnerable we all are. 422 00:20:37,734 --> 00:20:39,267 We did find a potential school. 423 00:20:39,434 --> 00:20:42,467 Yeah, that's where my kids go to school. 424 00:20:42,634 --> 00:20:44,667 - And then... - Could it be possible 425 00:20:44,834 --> 00:20:46,200 that these types of things 426 00:20:46,367 --> 00:20:50,000 could have been so rapidly weaponized, so easily scaled, 427 00:20:50,167 --> 00:20:52,167 and so covertly used? 428 00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:54,267 Well, I think the answer is evident. 429 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:11,100 2 It will be the very next left down, down to a parking area. 430 00:21:11,267 --> 00:21:14,868 And his car is usually parked all the way to the right. 431 00:21:15,033 --> 00:21:17,000 It's a black SUV. Right there. 432 00:21:17,167 --> 00:21:18,467 - See that black SUV? - Yeah. 433 00:21:18,634 --> 00:21:19,901 - That's him. - OK. 434 00:21:20,667 --> 00:21:23,067 We're demonstrating how to find and target someone 435 00:21:23,234 --> 00:21:25,400 who doesn't want to be found. 436 00:21:25,567 --> 00:21:28,801 The case in point is my friend Matt, who's about to discover 437 00:21:28,968 --> 00:21:30,901 just how vulnerable he is. 438 00:21:31,067 --> 00:21:32,767 Sorry to interrupt lunch hour. 439 00:21:32,934 --> 00:21:35,901 I know, that was a surprise. I'm glad it was you. 440 00:21:36,067 --> 00:21:37,968 So I want to introduce you to Jake. 441 00:21:38,133 --> 00:21:39,300 - Hi, Jake. - Jake, Matt. 442 00:21:39,467 --> 00:21:40,766 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you, Jake. 443 00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:45,100 So I tasked Jake with doing what he could to try to collect 444 00:21:45,267 --> 00:21:47,300 as much as possible off of you. - Yeah, OK. 445 00:21:47,467 --> 00:21:49,567 And I'm just gonna let Jake present what he found. 446 00:21:49,734 --> 00:21:50,868 All right. I'm curious. 447 00:21:51,033 --> 00:21:54,567 Yeah, so we were able to see quite a few things. 448 00:21:54,734 --> 00:21:57,100 So, if we scroll down here, you know, like you have this 449 00:21:57,267 --> 00:21:59,167 kind of stretch of where your office building is. 450 00:21:59,334 --> 00:22:00,501 - Wow. - Right? 451 00:22:00,667 --> 00:22:01,868 You can see where I have lunch. 452 00:22:02,033 --> 00:22:03,267 - See where you have lunch. - Where I get coffee. 453 00:22:03,434 --> 00:22:04,968 Where you get coffee. 454 00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:07,767 The interesting thing that we did find is 455 00:22:07,934 --> 00:22:09,868 a potential school that you're dropping your kids off at. 456 00:22:10,033 --> 00:22:12,267 Yeah, I mean, that's where my kids go to school. 457 00:22:12,434 --> 00:22:14,701 Yeah, so, and this is what we use to say, like, 458 00:22:14,868 --> 00:22:18,567 "Hey, you think you're being locked down, it only takes 459 00:22:18,734 --> 00:22:20,901 a few things for us to be able to target you or your family." 460 00:22:21,067 --> 00:22:23,267 One of the things I asked Jake to do was to treat you like 461 00:22:23,434 --> 00:22:24,868 a true target. 462 00:22:25,033 --> 00:22:27,667 We were actually at your house, and we use what we call is 463 00:22:27,834 --> 00:22:32,167 a RF sniffer, which connects to your Wi-Fi router, attacks it, 464 00:22:32,334 --> 00:22:34,667 and tracks you walking around your house. 465 00:22:34,834 --> 00:22:36,267 It sees right through your walls. 466 00:22:36,434 --> 00:22:38,100 I mean, that it's just wild. 467 00:22:40,567 --> 00:22:44,067 Based off of what you've seen today, how confident are you 468 00:22:44,234 --> 00:22:47,200 that a person can be targeted individually? 469 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:48,868 Um, 470 00:22:49,033 --> 00:22:51,767 It makes me think that it would be relatively easy 471 00:22:51,934 --> 00:22:55,501 to target someone with that level of detail. 472 00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:58,467 That's disconcerting, I would say. 473 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,467 It can be shocking to learn how vulnerable we all are 474 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:07,801 to a technologically advanced adversary. 475 00:23:07,968 --> 00:23:10,567 This test shows me that if someone wanted to target 476 00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:13,000 a person like Alice, they could. 477 00:23:13,167 --> 00:23:15,267 Tracking them is possible. 478 00:23:15,434 --> 00:23:17,267 But that doesn't answer the question, what kind of 479 00:23:17,434 --> 00:23:20,200 invisible weapon could effectively debilitate 480 00:23:20,367 --> 00:23:21,701 a human being? 481 00:23:21,868 --> 00:23:24,167 Which means we're not just looking for a weapon, 482 00:23:24,334 --> 00:23:26,200 we're looking for a form of energy. 483 00:23:26,367 --> 00:23:28,367 So the question is, what kind? 484 00:23:28,534 --> 00:23:30,300 Could sound be part of the answer? 485 00:23:30,467 --> 00:23:32,000 We already know it can be weaponized. 486 00:23:33,968 --> 00:23:35,868 Over the past two decades, police departments 487 00:23:36,033 --> 00:23:39,167 across the United States have deployed what's called an LRAD, 488 00:23:39,334 --> 00:23:42,100 or long-range acoustic device, which basically makes 489 00:23:42,267 --> 00:23:43,534 a painfully loud noise. 490 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,100 Just recently, the Minnesota State Patrol has 491 00:23:48,267 --> 00:23:51,100 been accused of using an LRAD against ICE protesters. 492 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:55,767 I hereby declare this to be an unlawful assembly. 493 00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:57,501 Immediately disperse. 494 00:24:01,667 --> 00:24:04,567 Officials maintain that this is only being used for 495 00:24:04,734 --> 00:24:09,367 crowd control, not as a weapon. But the internet disagrees. 496 00:24:09,534 --> 00:24:11,567 Hey guys, on today's episode of Fascism in America, 497 00:24:11,734 --> 00:24:13,300 we're gonna be talking about the latest shiny toy 498 00:24:13,467 --> 00:24:14,667 in the authoritarian tool belt 499 00:24:14,834 --> 00:24:16,000 that's being deployed against citizens. 500 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:26,667 So, on the surface, this looks like 501 00:24:26,834 --> 00:24:28,467 exactly what people are describing. 502 00:24:28,634 --> 00:24:32,167 A device that uses sound to target and disperse a crowd. 503 00:24:32,334 --> 00:24:34,667 But there's a difference between something that's loud 504 00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:37,100 and something that can actually cause the kind of damage 505 00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:38,367 reported in Havana. 506 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:41,267 I'm reaching out to Dr. Joe Pompei, 507 00:24:41,434 --> 00:24:42,600 a man who's created 508 00:24:42,601 --> 00:24:45,267 an acoustic tool that's used for commercial purposes, 509 00:24:45,434 --> 00:24:48,000 to find out if an acoustic weapon could be created 510 00:24:48,167 --> 00:24:50,367 that's strong enough to bring an army to its knees. 511 00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:57,367 I don't think there's ever such thing as a sonic weapon. 512 00:24:57,534 --> 00:25:01,167 For airborne sound waves, 99.99% reflect 513 00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:03,767 right off of you. They can't go through windows. 514 00:25:03,934 --> 00:25:07,868 They can't go through walls in any substantial sense. 515 00:25:08,033 --> 00:25:11,968 So they're not going to be received by somebody indoors, 516 00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:14,367 and they're certainly not going to penetrate the body enough to 517 00:25:14,534 --> 00:25:17,267 cause any physiological damage other than perhaps to 518 00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:18,501 the hearing system. 519 00:25:18,667 --> 00:25:20,367 It's interesting because you can understand 520 00:25:20,534 --> 00:25:23,567 how people would be afraid of a weapon they can't see, 521 00:25:23,734 --> 00:25:27,167 and audio and sonic weapons are very clearly something that 522 00:25:27,334 --> 00:25:28,868 you wouldn't be able to see. 523 00:25:29,033 --> 00:25:31,901 Another possibility is radio frequency. 524 00:25:32,067 --> 00:25:35,100 That could absolutely do damage, and those would go 525 00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:37,767 through walls, and those could go into the body, absorb 526 00:25:37,934 --> 00:25:39,300 and cause all kinds of problems. 527 00:25:41,267 --> 00:25:42,667 Here's where this leaves me. 528 00:25:42,834 --> 00:25:46,267 Sound can be directed, it can be powerful, but it doesn't 529 00:25:46,434 --> 00:25:49,100 appear to match the kind of injuries being reported 530 00:25:49,267 --> 00:25:50,667 in Havana. 531 00:25:50,834 --> 00:25:53,868 Radio frequency can penetrate the body and potentially cause 532 00:25:54,033 --> 00:25:56,467 real damage, but is there anything else that can 533 00:25:56,634 --> 00:25:57,901 scramble our brains? 534 00:25:58,868 --> 00:26:01,901 To find out, I tracked down a neuroscientist who examined 535 00:26:02,067 --> 00:26:04,367 the original Havana victims. 536 00:26:04,534 --> 00:26:08,267 I was contacted in late 2016 by some folks in 537 00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:10,801 the Department of State and said, "Look, we've got these cases, 538 00:26:10,968 --> 00:26:13,100 about two dozen individuals, and we really don't know 539 00:26:13,267 --> 00:26:14,434 what's happened to them. 540 00:26:14,601 --> 00:26:17,901 They all seem to have very similar signs and symptoms. 541 00:26:18,067 --> 00:26:22,100 They seem to be evidencing what appears to be a concussion, 542 00:26:22,267 --> 00:26:24,567 but no concussion. - What conclusions did you reach 543 00:26:24,734 --> 00:26:26,100 after this two-year study? 544 00:26:26,267 --> 00:26:28,000 Well, we ruled a lot of things out. 545 00:26:28,167 --> 00:26:30,000 I mean, there are a lot of things that could be possible. 546 00:26:30,167 --> 00:26:32,100 Is it possible they were exposed to some chemical, 547 00:26:32,267 --> 00:26:35,000 some environmental chemical, a pesticide, for example? 548 00:26:35,167 --> 00:26:38,167 Is it possible they were exposed to something at work, 549 00:26:38,334 --> 00:26:39,500 some device? 550 00:26:39,501 --> 00:26:41,501 No, no, because the rooms in which they were working, 551 00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,467 other individuals were not coming up with the same 552 00:26:43,634 --> 00:26:44,933 signs and symptoms. 553 00:26:44,934 --> 00:26:48,601 So the only probabilities that these individuals are exposed 554 00:26:48,767 --> 00:26:52,067 to some form of energy, microwaves, for example. 555 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,100 Microwaves can become a very cryptic form of attack 556 00:26:57,267 --> 00:27:00,200 because microwave energy essentially disrupts 557 00:27:00,367 --> 00:27:02,901 the actual mechanisms of the neurological membranes 558 00:27:03,067 --> 00:27:05,200 and in so doing can, 559 00:27:05,367 --> 00:27:08,267 quote, "rewire," if you will, the brain. 560 00:27:08,434 --> 00:27:11,100 Could it be possible that these types of things 561 00:27:11,267 --> 00:27:14,868 could have been so rapidly weaponized, so easily scaled, 562 00:27:15,901 --> 00:27:17,367 and so covertly used? 563 00:27:18,467 --> 00:27:20,167 I think the answer is evident. 564 00:27:22,167 --> 00:27:25,567 Recall the Moscow signal when microwaves were believed to be 565 00:27:25,734 --> 00:27:28,000 directed at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow 566 00:27:28,167 --> 00:27:30,167 during the Cold War. 567 00:27:30,334 --> 00:27:33,601 A secret weapon that can't be seen, 568 00:27:33,767 --> 00:27:37,100 does neurological and physiological harm. 569 00:27:37,267 --> 00:27:41,100 What it essentially does is it changes the battlescape. 570 00:27:41,267 --> 00:27:43,801 The nature of conflict remains the same, 571 00:27:43,968 --> 00:27:45,567 but its character changes. 572 00:27:47,567 --> 00:27:50,467 Dr. Giordano is saying that the science is there, 573 00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:53,567 but science alone doesn't prove a weapon exists. 574 00:27:53,734 --> 00:27:56,467 At this point, here's what holds up and what doesn't. 575 00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:58,667 There's evidence that microwaves can affect 576 00:27:58,834 --> 00:28:00,066 the human body. 577 00:28:00,067 --> 00:28:02,100 They can be directed and they could explain some of 578 00:28:02,267 --> 00:28:03,600 the symptoms we've seen. 579 00:28:03,601 --> 00:28:06,701 But we still don't have direct evidence of a weapon being used 580 00:28:06,868 --> 00:28:08,100 in the real world. 581 00:28:08,267 --> 00:28:10,200 Even though most people will claim to have never seen 582 00:28:10,367 --> 00:28:13,000 the kind of weapon that was reported in Havana, I'm about 583 00:28:13,167 --> 00:28:15,200 to meet with a scientist who says he understands 584 00:28:15,367 --> 00:28:17,767 the microwave technology the Russians have been using 585 00:28:17,934 --> 00:28:20,467 and may even have evidence of the weapon itself. 586 00:28:20,634 --> 00:28:21,667 Coming up... 587 00:28:21,834 --> 00:28:23,968 This thing looks like a shoulder-fired weapon. 588 00:28:24,133 --> 00:28:26,701 You can be hit, you can't protect yourself 589 00:28:26,868 --> 00:28:30,167 under the circumstances that they choose to hit you. 590 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:33,100 And then an expert who sees things very differently. 591 00:28:33,267 --> 00:28:37,667 This is a global experiment in mass suggestion. 592 00:28:46,467 --> 00:28:49,367 2 In our quest to determine if Havana Syndrome is the result 593 00:28:49,534 --> 00:28:52,567 of an advanced, secret and invisible microwave technology, 594 00:28:52,734 --> 00:28:55,734 or a powerful story that's spread faster than 595 00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,167 the evidence, I need to know whether or not that energy can 596 00:28:59,334 --> 00:29:01,467 be targeted to focus on a single individual. 597 00:29:02,601 --> 00:29:04,868 So I've invited one of America's top scientists 598 00:29:05,033 --> 00:29:07,467 specializing in pulsed microwave technology. 599 00:29:09,167 --> 00:29:11,067 When somebody talks about a high-power microwave, 600 00:29:11,234 --> 00:29:12,667 how is that different from 601 00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:14,467 the microwave that sits in my kitchen? 602 00:29:14,634 --> 00:29:17,300 Really high-power microwaves are made to operate at 603 00:29:17,467 --> 00:29:19,667 extremely high powers. 604 00:29:19,834 --> 00:29:23,167 Tens, hundreds, thousands of megawatts, 605 00:29:23,334 --> 00:29:26,133 but because of that, short pulses. 606 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,267 And that's the basis of what's happening, I believe, 607 00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:31,267 with Havana Syndrome. 608 00:29:31,434 --> 00:29:34,601 Imagine you have this intense power and it hits the side of 609 00:29:34,767 --> 00:29:37,667 your brain and you get an almost instantaneous heating 610 00:29:37,834 --> 00:29:41,367 of a thin layer in your brain. It will initially expand. 611 00:29:41,534 --> 00:29:43,300 It'll overshoot like a spring. 612 00:29:43,467 --> 00:29:45,100 It'll come back and then it'll return 613 00:29:45,267 --> 00:29:47,267 and you can oscillate for a while. 614 00:29:47,434 --> 00:29:50,501 That can basically convert the incoming 615 00:29:50,667 --> 00:29:54,667 electromagnetic energy into a sound wave. 616 00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:58,601 These pulsed high-power microwaves are 617 00:29:58,767 --> 00:30:01,767 a wireless system for shaking the brain. 618 00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:04,167 And that would do so much damage over time. 619 00:30:04,334 --> 00:30:06,133 You can go all the way from damage 620 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:09,834 to lowercase disorientation 621 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,868 and some of the other cognitive effects 622 00:30:12,033 --> 00:30:13,567 that they've experienced. 623 00:30:13,734 --> 00:30:16,968 It's obviously, according to some of the sufferers of 624 00:30:17,133 --> 00:30:20,767 these attacks, done some real, long-term damage to them. 625 00:30:20,934 --> 00:30:23,767 Dr. Swegle tells me that even though microwaves are silent, 626 00:30:23,934 --> 00:30:26,767 the oscillation they cause in the brain can be experienced 627 00:30:26,934 --> 00:30:30,667 as a sound, which may be why many Havana Syndrome victims 628 00:30:30,834 --> 00:30:33,000 describe having heard a noise. 629 00:30:33,167 --> 00:30:36,467 How mobile are these devices really, 630 00:30:36,634 --> 00:30:38,467 and what do they look like? 631 00:30:38,634 --> 00:30:42,234 This is an example sitting on a desktop of a commercial device 632 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,567 that's being sold by the Russians. 633 00:30:44,734 --> 00:30:47,467 This is not that large a system sitting there. 634 00:30:47,634 --> 00:30:50,400 You can make it to operate off a car generator. 635 00:30:50,567 --> 00:30:51,834 A friend of his took this picture 636 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,868 where devices like this are made. 637 00:30:54,033 --> 00:30:57,167 This device can generate intense pulses of radiation 638 00:30:57,334 --> 00:31:00,667 and be optimized for anti-personnel operations. 639 00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:03,300 This thing looks like a shoulder-fired weapon, 640 00:31:03,467 --> 00:31:06,033 which means for sure I could position it in a van, 641 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,567 put it in a car, put it in a room, 642 00:31:08,734 --> 00:31:11,467 in a window across the street from a target. 643 00:31:11,634 --> 00:31:12,834 You can be hit. 644 00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:16,300 You can't protect yourself under the circumstances that 645 00:31:16,467 --> 00:31:18,267 they choose to hit you. 646 00:31:18,434 --> 00:31:21,033 When you hear about victims of Havana Syndrome, 647 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,501 do you believe their story? Do you doubt their story? 648 00:31:25,501 --> 00:31:26,934 They have suffered something. 649 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,968 Do I believe it could be high-power microwaves? 650 00:31:30,133 --> 00:31:33,267 I believe there's a very good chance microwaves could have 651 00:31:33,434 --> 00:31:37,000 produced this and that devices that are out there could have 652 00:31:37,167 --> 00:31:41,234 been adapted to do that job. 653 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,300 The idea of the government beaming something into 654 00:31:43,467 --> 00:31:46,767 your head is one of the oldest conspiracy theories out there. 655 00:31:46,934 --> 00:31:50,367 As far back as 1927, a science fiction novel called 656 00:31:50,534 --> 00:31:52,667 "The Tissue-Culture King" imagined a man who wore 657 00:31:52,834 --> 00:31:54,868 metallic headgear to protect himself 658 00:31:55,033 --> 00:31:56,868 from outside mental influence, 659 00:31:57,033 --> 00:31:59,267 what would eventually evolve into the pop culture image 660 00:31:59,434 --> 00:32:02,834 we all know today-- the tinfoil hat. 661 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,868 Today, those ideas show up in online communities that believe 662 00:32:06,033 --> 00:32:08,868 they're being targeted by so-called energy weapons 663 00:32:09,033 --> 00:32:11,367 and had thoughts beamed into their minds. 664 00:32:11,534 --> 00:32:14,834 But there's little evidence to support those claims at scale. 665 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,734 And that's where things get complicated. 666 00:32:16,901 --> 00:32:19,267 How do you investigate, let alone prove something, 667 00:32:19,434 --> 00:32:22,367 when the injuries are in people's heads? 668 00:32:22,534 --> 00:32:25,300 When symptoms are real, but the cause is invisible, 669 00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:28,667 it becomes incredibly difficult to separate what's possible 670 00:32:28,834 --> 00:32:30,267 from what's provable. 671 00:32:30,434 --> 00:32:33,467 In a case like Havana Syndrome, that line matters. 672 00:32:33,634 --> 00:32:37,267 And once that line starts to blur, even experts can disagree 673 00:32:37,434 --> 00:32:38,501 on what's really happening. 674 00:32:40,501 --> 00:32:42,567 I've come across somebody who studies how rumors 675 00:32:42,734 --> 00:32:45,367 turn into mass hysteria and is poking holes in 676 00:32:45,534 --> 00:32:46,868 the Venezuela story-- 677 00:32:47,033 --> 00:32:50,000 medical sociologist Robert Bartholomew. 678 00:32:50,167 --> 00:32:54,267 Dr. Bartholomew, I'm trying to better understand what may have 679 00:32:54,434 --> 00:32:57,767 happened in Venezuela and how, if at all, it's different from 680 00:32:57,934 --> 00:33:00,267 what has been reported about Havana Syndrome. 681 00:33:00,434 --> 00:33:04,968 The media report, which was endorsed by the White House press secretary, 682 00:33:05,133 --> 00:33:08,100 claimed that when the U.S. 683 00:33:08,267 --> 00:33:12,567 went in there in early January, they used a sonic weapon, 684 00:33:12,734 --> 00:33:16,000 and it made Maduro's troops 685 00:33:16,167 --> 00:33:19,501 bleed from their noses and their ears, and they fell 686 00:33:19,667 --> 00:33:22,467 to their knees and incapacitated them. 687 00:33:29,501 --> 00:33:33,000 When you look at the actual interviews on state TV 688 00:33:33,167 --> 00:33:34,767 of the soldiers who were there 689 00:33:34,934 --> 00:33:36,467 when the explosions occurred, 690 00:33:36,634 --> 00:33:38,601 the symptoms that happened were 691 00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:44,133 not examples of some type of sonic device. 692 00:33:58,567 --> 00:33:59,868 We seek out patterns. 693 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:02,100 We're meaning- oriented creatures. 694 00:34:02,267 --> 00:34:04,267 And that's what happens here. 695 00:34:04,434 --> 00:34:07,300 What happened in Venezuela is a great example of 696 00:34:07,467 --> 00:34:09,734 what's been happening with Havana Syndrome. 697 00:34:09,901 --> 00:34:12,033 When it first came out, the doctors at 698 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,400 the American State Department went for 699 00:34:14,567 --> 00:34:18,767 the most exotic hypothesis early on. 700 00:34:18,934 --> 00:34:22,567 And they've issued alerts to their diplomats 701 00:34:22,734 --> 00:34:25,400 all over the world to be on the lookout 702 00:34:25,567 --> 00:34:27,834 for mysterious symptoms. 703 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,934 And they had this laundry list of symptoms-- headache, 704 00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:34,067 nausea, insomnia, ringing in the ears, 705 00:34:34,234 --> 00:34:37,100 depression, nosebleeds, and on and on. 706 00:34:37,267 --> 00:34:40,033 Most people have these symptoms in any given week 707 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,267 in their life. 708 00:34:41,434 --> 00:34:43,567 And lo and behold, people started reporting 709 00:34:43,734 --> 00:34:44,833 these symptoms. 710 00:34:44,834 --> 00:34:49,400 This is a global experiment in mass suggestion. 711 00:34:49,567 --> 00:34:54,100 They're just redefining an array of ambiguous symptoms 712 00:34:54,267 --> 00:34:55,767 that people have all the time. 713 00:34:55,934 --> 00:34:58,267 There's a great saying that I think applies 714 00:34:58,434 --> 00:35:01,000 to Havana Syndrome-- "Speak of the devil 715 00:35:02,033 --> 00:35:03,968 and he is bound to appear." 716 00:35:04,133 --> 00:35:07,734 It was nothing to do with pulse microwave radiation. 717 00:35:07,901 --> 00:35:11,367 You know, for me, this is the power of a story, 718 00:35:11,534 --> 00:35:13,033 the power of belief. 719 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,667 And at the end of the day, you have to follow the facts, 720 00:35:16,834 --> 00:35:20,267 not as we hope them to be or want them to be, 721 00:35:20,434 --> 00:35:22,834 but as they are. 722 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,934 Bartholomew's theory is that there just isn't hard evidence 723 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:29,100 that the Russians or our own government have ever used 724 00:35:29,267 --> 00:35:30,234 a weapon like this. 725 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,467 They've never been caught in the act. 726 00:35:32,634 --> 00:35:34,300 On the other hand, I've heard from multiple 727 00:35:34,467 --> 00:35:37,868 credible witnesses, including my own former colleagues, 728 00:35:38,033 --> 00:35:40,567 who believe that they were under some kind of attack, 729 00:35:40,734 --> 00:35:43,000 not just experiencing heartburn or vertigo. 730 00:35:43,167 --> 00:35:46,467 And if that's true, it raises a second question. 731 00:35:46,634 --> 00:35:49,067 If something like this is happening, why hasn't it 732 00:35:49,234 --> 00:35:51,567 been acknowledged? One possibility? 733 00:35:51,734 --> 00:35:53,367 Escalation. 734 00:35:53,534 --> 00:35:55,934 Acknowledging an attack like this could be real 735 00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:57,834 would potentially escalate a conflict 736 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,968 with an adversary like Russia. 737 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,500 The other possibility? 738 00:36:01,501 --> 00:36:04,968 That we have a weapon like this ourselves, and we want to be 739 00:36:05,133 --> 00:36:06,167 able to use it. 740 00:36:06,334 --> 00:36:08,267 Which brings us back to Venezuela, 741 00:36:08,434 --> 00:36:09,868 where the White House suggests that 742 00:36:10,033 --> 00:36:12,501 we did use just such a weapon. 743 00:36:12,667 --> 00:36:15,167 The claim of a so-called mystery weapon traces back to 744 00:36:15,334 --> 00:36:19,167 a single anonymous account, one that was amplified online... 745 00:36:19,334 --> 00:36:22,267 Whatever was sent at them made them fall to their knees 746 00:36:22,434 --> 00:36:23,601 and vomit blood. 747 00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:25,400 ...and was echoed at the highest levels, 748 00:36:26,767 --> 00:36:28,467 but was never independently confirmed. 749 00:36:29,567 --> 00:36:31,167 So, whatever happened that night, 750 00:36:31,334 --> 00:36:32,868 there's no clear evidence that it was 751 00:36:33,033 --> 00:36:34,767 a new kind of weapon at all. 752 00:36:34,934 --> 00:36:37,167 Which means that if I'm going to figure out if a weapon 753 00:36:37,334 --> 00:36:40,734 like this could be real, I need real evidence. 754 00:36:40,901 --> 00:36:43,667 Not just other claims, but something that's actually 755 00:36:43,834 --> 00:36:45,000 been tested. 756 00:36:45,167 --> 00:36:47,400 And I'm about to get a major piece of intel 757 00:36:47,567 --> 00:36:49,300 that might finally provide it. 758 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,167 I'm sending you the link to the article right now. 759 00:36:52,334 --> 00:36:53,601 OK. 760 00:36:54,601 --> 00:36:57,367 "Researcher skeptical of Havana Syndrome tested the weapon 761 00:36:57,534 --> 00:36:59,000 on himself?" Is this real? - It's amazing. 762 00:37:07,667 --> 00:37:10,100 2 So far in my investigation, I've tested how someone 763 00:37:10,267 --> 00:37:12,934 like Alice could be targeted and whether sound 764 00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:16,300 or microwave energy could explain what people experienced. 765 00:37:16,467 --> 00:37:19,234 But there are still gaps in what I can actually prove. 766 00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,133 At CIA, my wife Jihi 767 00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:28,467 was what's known as a clandestine targeting officer, 768 00:37:28,634 --> 00:37:30,367 which means she doesn't hunt people 769 00:37:30,534 --> 00:37:32,868 in the field. She identifies targets, 770 00:37:33,033 --> 00:37:35,667 maps their world and figures out how we can reach them 771 00:37:35,834 --> 00:37:37,501 without ever being caught. 772 00:37:37,667 --> 00:37:39,601 When we were stationed together and I was operating in 773 00:37:39,767 --> 00:37:43,167 the field, I always had perfect confidence knowing that Jihi 774 00:37:43,334 --> 00:37:45,934 had already built a clear profile and picture of 775 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,567 whoever I was chasing. 776 00:37:47,734 --> 00:37:50,367 So when she tells me that she found something, I know 777 00:37:50,534 --> 00:37:52,033 it's worth paying attention. 778 00:38:03,067 --> 00:38:04,834 - Hey, girl. - Hey, babe. 779 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,567 So I found this super interesting article that 780 00:38:08,734 --> 00:38:10,767 talks about the pulse weapons 781 00:38:10,934 --> 00:38:12,367 that we were talking about earlier. 782 00:38:12,534 --> 00:38:14,601 I'm sending you the link to the article right now. 783 00:38:14,767 --> 00:38:16,033 OK. 784 00:38:16,868 --> 00:38:19,501 "Researcher skeptical of Havana Syndrome tested the weapon 785 00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:21,834 on himself?" Is this real? - It's amazing. 786 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,968 Yes! 787 00:38:24,033 --> 00:38:26,467 "In 2024, a Norwegian researcher 788 00:38:26,634 --> 00:38:29,367 "skeptical that pulsed energy weapons could do damage to 789 00:38:29,534 --> 00:38:34,467 human brains built a device and tested it on himself." 790 00:38:34,634 --> 00:38:36,501 And what kind of device did he build? 791 00:38:36,667 --> 00:38:39,367 A machine capable of emitting powerful pulses 792 00:38:39,534 --> 00:38:41,100 of microwave energy. 793 00:38:42,567 --> 00:38:45,968 He suffered neurological symptoms similar to those of 794 00:38:46,133 --> 00:38:47,167 Havana Syndrome. 795 00:38:47,334 --> 00:38:49,934 Who would test this on themselves? 796 00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:54,167 He tested it because he was convinced that it didn't work, 797 00:38:54,334 --> 00:38:57,467 that you couldn't actually affect somebody biologically 798 00:38:57,634 --> 00:38:59,667 with one of these machines. 799 00:38:59,834 --> 00:39:03,167 Oh my gosh, I doubt he is skeptical anymore. 800 00:39:03,334 --> 00:39:05,167 This is the strongest laboratory evidence that 801 00:39:05,334 --> 00:39:08,567 I've seen yet, that this weapon not only exists, 802 00:39:08,734 --> 00:39:11,834 but that there are people with symptoms 803 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,601 tied to exposure to the weapon. 804 00:39:15,667 --> 00:39:16,968 Wow. 805 00:39:19,167 --> 00:39:22,067 The Norwegian researcher gave us the strongest evidence yet 806 00:39:22,234 --> 00:39:25,100 of what a pulsed energy device can do, but that's in 807 00:39:25,267 --> 00:39:26,467 a controlled setting. 808 00:39:26,634 --> 00:39:29,067 It proves that this kind of effect is possible, 809 00:39:29,234 --> 00:39:32,467 but it still leaves the biggest question unanswered. 810 00:39:32,634 --> 00:39:34,968 Is this happening in the real world now? 811 00:39:42,567 --> 00:39:45,601 So after investigating, here's where I land. 812 00:39:45,767 --> 00:39:48,234 On the topic of Venezuela, until the U.S. government 813 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,100 acknowledges the details of the weapon, 814 00:39:51,267 --> 00:39:52,767 we'll never know. 815 00:39:52,934 --> 00:39:56,734 In reality, it traces back to a single anonymous claim 816 00:39:56,901 --> 00:40:00,067 amplified online and echoed at the highest levels of 817 00:40:00,234 --> 00:40:02,167 government for what could plausibly be 818 00:40:02,334 --> 00:40:03,267 propaganda reasons. 819 00:40:04,767 --> 00:40:06,400 But Havana is different. 820 00:40:06,567 --> 00:40:09,267 I've spoken to people I trust, and their experiences 821 00:40:09,434 --> 00:40:10,500 are consistent. 822 00:40:10,501 --> 00:40:13,767 Their symptoms are real, and those symptoms are 823 00:40:13,934 --> 00:40:15,567 only happening to specific people 824 00:40:15,734 --> 00:40:19,000 who held sensitive positions in operations around the world. 825 00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:20,667 Something happened to them. 826 00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:23,467 It wasn't just in their heads. 827 00:40:27,601 --> 00:40:31,667 Now, the question is, what? A sonic weapon? 828 00:40:31,834 --> 00:40:33,767 As we've learned, that's unlikely. 829 00:40:38,834 --> 00:40:40,968 But what about microwave energy? 830 00:40:41,133 --> 00:40:43,167 That's where things get interesting, because we've 831 00:40:43,334 --> 00:40:47,000 learned that pulsed microwave energy can affect the human body, 832 00:40:47,167 --> 00:40:50,167 but possibility is not proof. 833 00:40:55,167 --> 00:40:58,067 If a weapon like this were being used, we'd expect to find 834 00:40:58,234 --> 00:40:59,367 something concrete. 835 00:41:00,267 --> 00:41:03,601 A device, a signal, some kind of physical evidence 836 00:41:03,767 --> 00:41:05,367 that appears again and again. 837 00:41:06,567 --> 00:41:08,267 And so far, we haven't. 838 00:41:12,267 --> 00:41:14,234 We have a theory that makes sense. 839 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,067 We have a technology that could explain it. 840 00:41:17,234 --> 00:41:20,367 But we don't have any evidence to close the case. 841 00:41:20,534 --> 00:41:23,100 And without proof, you can't act, 842 00:41:23,267 --> 00:41:26,367 and without action, whatever caused this 843 00:41:26,534 --> 00:41:28,000 could still be out there. 69343

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