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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:26,569 --> 00:00:28,402 We have said that sustainability 4 00:00:28,427 --> 00:00:30,527 is a key part of our new strategy, right? 5 00:00:30,527 --> 00:00:32,970 That's the heart of what we're gonna be doing. 6 00:00:32,995 --> 00:00:34,016 What's the news angle 7 00:00:34,041 --> 00:00:35,054 you're looking at? 8 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:37,314 Is it sustainability on farms? 9 00:00:37,314 --> 00:00:39,277 Is it that sustainability on packaging? 10 00:00:39,277 --> 00:00:42,057 Is it sustainability in our factories? 11 00:00:42,057 --> 00:00:45,417 - We're talking about climate change, water quality, 12 00:00:45,417 --> 00:00:47,747 potential longevity for our farmers. 13 00:00:47,747 --> 00:00:50,237 Are those topics that you believe 14 00:00:50,237 --> 00:00:52,277 Fonterra would like to comment on? 15 00:00:52,277 --> 00:00:54,707 We get these requests all the time, Chris. 16 00:00:54,707 --> 00:00:58,072 We've got people here who've got a business to run. 17 00:00:58,072 --> 00:01:00,467 What angle are you taking, how's it gonna work? 18 00:01:00,467 --> 00:01:04,147 - We wanna hear every side of the story, basically. 19 00:01:04,147 --> 00:01:05,159 There aren't sides 20 00:01:05,184 --> 00:01:07,365 to the story. There's only one story. 21 00:01:07,365 --> 00:01:09,287 I'm assuming that's the angle you're taking, 'cause that's 22 00:01:09,312 --> 00:01:12,482 the only angle, that is the truth of the situation. 23 00:01:37,442 --> 00:01:39,000 - Kia ora. I'm Chris. 24 00:01:40,327 --> 00:01:41,667 This is where I'm from, 25 00:01:41,667 --> 00:01:44,010 the rural north of Aotearoa, New Zealand. 26 00:01:46,517 --> 00:01:48,557 Surrounded by nature and fortunate to have 27 00:01:48,557 --> 00:01:51,570 the family home next to our local river, Mangatawa. 28 00:01:53,927 --> 00:01:55,337 Growing up, we tried our best 29 00:01:55,337 --> 00:01:57,310 to protect and live with the land. 30 00:01:59,197 --> 00:02:00,827 We grew a lot of our own food 31 00:02:00,827 --> 00:02:04,017 and raised all the animals you'd expect to see on a farm, 32 00:02:04,017 --> 00:02:07,020 chickens, goats, pigs, sheep and cows, 33 00:02:08,337 --> 00:02:09,547 Like most Kiwi kids, 34 00:02:09,547 --> 00:02:11,817 I started the day with milk on my Weet-Bix 35 00:02:11,817 --> 00:02:13,467 and never thought twice about it. 36 00:02:14,697 --> 00:02:17,317 I was already worried about the state of our planet 37 00:02:17,317 --> 00:02:19,734 when I came across this film. 38 00:02:21,404 --> 00:02:23,617 "Cowspiracy" showed how animal agriculture 39 00:02:23,617 --> 00:02:24,797 is the driving force 40 00:02:24,797 --> 00:02:27,367 behind the environmental breakdown that's happening 41 00:02:27,367 --> 00:02:29,767 and how people were too afraid to talk about it. 42 00:02:31,307 --> 00:02:35,257 I was shocked, but I thought that's America, not Aotearoa. 43 00:02:35,257 --> 00:02:37,610 We have grass-fed cows and look after our land. 44 00:02:39,887 --> 00:02:42,477 And then I saw the Environment Aotearoa Report 45 00:02:42,477 --> 00:02:43,897 showing the massive impact 46 00:02:43,897 --> 00:02:45,837 dairy is having on our country. 47 00:02:45,837 --> 00:02:47,617 I made a video about the dairy industry 48 00:02:47,617 --> 00:02:49,887 that got a big response on social media. 49 00:02:49,887 --> 00:02:52,107 Let's hear what Fonterra has to say now. 50 00:02:52,107 --> 00:02:54,297 And I was surprised when Fonterra commented, 51 00:02:54,297 --> 00:02:56,787 inviting me for a coffee and a chat. 52 00:02:56,787 --> 00:02:58,287 But when I tried taking them up 53 00:02:58,287 --> 00:03:00,156 on the offer.... 54 00:03:00,156 --> 00:03:01,948 Welcome to Fonterra. 55 00:03:01,948 --> 00:03:04,489 After the tone, please record your message. 56 00:03:04,489 --> 00:03:07,308 After the tone, please record your message. 57 00:03:07,308 --> 00:03:09,930 After the tone, please record your message. 58 00:03:12,367 --> 00:03:13,767 - Why the change of heart? 59 00:03:13,767 --> 00:03:16,660 What did our country's biggest company have to hide? 60 00:03:19,117 --> 00:03:20,644 I wanted to meet with some people 61 00:03:20,644 --> 00:03:21,648 who were speaking out about 62 00:03:21,673 --> 00:03:22,768 the environmental impacts of the 63 00:03:22,793 --> 00:03:24,860 dairy industry and see what they could tell me. 64 00:03:27,487 --> 00:03:31,227 - Industrial dairying is this country's biggest polluter. 65 00:03:31,227 --> 00:03:33,057 It's our biggest climate emitter, 66 00:03:33,057 --> 00:03:34,407 emitting more greenhouse gases 67 00:03:34,407 --> 00:03:36,497 than our entire transport sector. 68 00:03:36,497 --> 00:03:37,581 It's our biggest water polluter. 69 00:03:37,606 --> 00:03:39,557 And it's also a major stressor 70 00:03:39,557 --> 00:03:42,160 for biodiversity and for soil health. 71 00:03:43,569 --> 00:03:44,642 Around the world, 72 00:03:44,642 --> 00:03:46,377 we've seen a massive increase in a thing called 73 00:03:46,377 --> 00:03:48,177 oceanic dead zones. 74 00:03:48,177 --> 00:03:49,857 They're basically areas of the ocean 75 00:03:49,857 --> 00:03:51,597 where there's been so much algal growth, 76 00:03:51,597 --> 00:03:53,778 there's no oxygen, there's no life in there anymore. 77 00:03:55,967 --> 00:03:58,767 That is what we are risking on New Zealand's coastlines. 78 00:04:01,197 --> 00:04:05,347 - We are seeing a collapse of our natural ecosystems. 79 00:04:05,347 --> 00:04:07,387 Most of that collapse is coming about 80 00:04:07,387 --> 00:04:10,967 because of the pressure that we are putting on those systems 81 00:04:10,967 --> 00:04:14,067 from commercial activities like dairy farming. 82 00:04:14,457 --> 00:04:17,030 The consequence for nature has been devastating. 83 00:04:18,877 --> 00:04:21,377 - New Zealand used to be a land covered in forest. 84 00:04:22,507 --> 00:04:24,487 We've bowled down the forest, 85 00:04:24,487 --> 00:04:28,137 we've lost the biggest chunk of wetlands in modern history 86 00:04:28,137 --> 00:04:31,120 in the last 100 years to put more cows on paddocks. 87 00:04:33,547 --> 00:04:35,037 I discovered that in Aotearoa 88 00:04:35,037 --> 00:04:37,837 our dairy industry creates more greenhouse gas emissions 89 00:04:37,837 --> 00:04:41,510 than all cars, trucks, boats, planes, and trains combined. 90 00:04:42,367 --> 00:04:43,987 And although we brag about producing 91 00:04:43,987 --> 00:04:45,927 the most sustainable milk in the world, 92 00:04:45,927 --> 00:04:48,397 the total emissions from our booming dairy industry 93 00:04:48,422 --> 00:04:52,366 has increased 132% in the last 30 years. 94 00:04:53,817 --> 00:04:55,859 A hundred and thirty-two per cent! 95 00:04:59,187 --> 00:05:00,917 It's a global problem too. 96 00:05:00,917 --> 00:05:02,627 The top five meat and dairy companies, 97 00:05:02,627 --> 00:05:04,057 which includes Fonterra, 98 00:05:04,057 --> 00:05:06,847 produce more emissions than the whole of the United Kingdom 99 00:05:06,872 --> 00:05:08,905 and its 66 million people. 100 00:05:10,587 --> 00:05:13,057 That's also more than the oil and gas companies 101 00:05:13,057 --> 00:05:15,450 ExxonMobil, Shell and BP. 102 00:05:16,527 --> 00:05:18,807 One study even showed that in the next decade, 103 00:05:18,807 --> 00:05:21,217 Fonterra will make up more than 100% 104 00:05:21,217 --> 00:05:23,557 of New Zealand's total emissions target. 105 00:05:23,557 --> 00:05:27,474 And yet no one seemed to be talking about this. 106 00:05:29,567 --> 00:05:32,347 Dr. Jane Goodall is one of many well-known scientists 107 00:05:32,347 --> 00:05:35,087 who have been warning about the impacts of climate change 108 00:05:35,087 --> 00:05:36,987 long before it was all over the media. 109 00:05:37,917 --> 00:05:40,427 - If you consider we're on this little ball, 110 00:05:40,427 --> 00:05:42,650 this little beautiful planet of ours, 111 00:05:43,547 --> 00:05:45,477 and we're now surrounding it 112 00:05:45,477 --> 00:05:48,727 with these so-called greenhouse gases, 113 00:05:48,727 --> 00:05:51,097 which is trapping the heat of the sun, 114 00:05:51,097 --> 00:05:53,577 which is leading to the changing weather patterns 115 00:05:53,577 --> 00:05:56,597 that are being so destructive to the environment, 116 00:05:56,597 --> 00:05:59,680 to people and to many, many animals... 117 00:06:01,017 --> 00:06:02,967 And while the worst is yet to come, 118 00:06:02,967 --> 00:06:06,367 the balance of life on the planet is already way out 119 00:06:06,367 --> 00:06:08,357 with farmed animals and humans making up 120 00:06:08,382 --> 00:06:13,382 96% of the biomass of mammals and only 4% is wild mammals. 121 00:06:14,857 --> 00:06:17,847 I also found out Aotearoa has the highest proportion 122 00:06:17,847 --> 00:06:20,280 of threatened native species on Earth. 123 00:06:22,857 --> 00:06:25,797 - No wonder we have a biodiversity crisis. 124 00:06:25,797 --> 00:06:28,227 I'm not angry at the farmers. I'm not blaming the farmers. 125 00:06:28,227 --> 00:06:30,237 They do what they have to do. 126 00:06:30,237 --> 00:06:32,767 And most of them do really care about the environment. 127 00:06:32,767 --> 00:06:36,330 But the system that they're caught up in is totally flawed. 128 00:06:38,147 --> 00:06:42,560 Just sticking to what we are doing now has no future. 129 00:06:44,824 --> 00:06:45,880 The dairy industry 130 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,330 is having a similar impact around the world. 131 00:06:50,167 --> 00:06:53,547 And with the global demand for food doubling by 2050, 132 00:06:53,547 --> 00:06:55,960 how could all this be produced sustainably? 133 00:06:58,077 --> 00:07:01,657 Scientists warn that we'd need at least five Earths by then, 134 00:07:01,657 --> 00:07:04,317 if everyone on the planet eats as much dairy and meat 135 00:07:04,317 --> 00:07:06,280 as countries like the United States. 136 00:07:08,937 --> 00:07:10,444 - It was Mahatma Gandhi who said, 137 00:07:10,444 --> 00:07:13,387 "The planet can produce enough for human need, 138 00:07:13,387 --> 00:07:15,375 but not human greed." 139 00:07:17,937 --> 00:07:20,520 Do we have to keep doing things the same way? 140 00:07:21,727 --> 00:07:23,197 What if we could produce that food 141 00:07:23,197 --> 00:07:25,320 without all the resources and waste? 142 00:07:27,487 --> 00:07:28,627 From what I was discovering, 143 00:07:28,627 --> 00:07:30,957 it looked like there are other ways, 144 00:07:30,957 --> 00:07:32,727 including something the dairy industry 145 00:07:32,727 --> 00:07:34,387 doesn't want us to know about 146 00:07:34,387 --> 00:07:37,310 because it threatens their very existence. 147 00:07:40,657 --> 00:07:43,877 But first I had to understand how this mess all started 148 00:07:43,877 --> 00:07:45,177 and why we're still in it. 149 00:07:47,217 --> 00:07:48,777 Just over 200 years ago, 150 00:07:48,777 --> 00:07:50,107 British settlers introduced 151 00:07:50,107 --> 00:07:52,627 the first dairy cows to Aotearoa, 152 00:07:52,627 --> 00:07:54,867 a land mostly covered in ancient forests 153 00:07:54,867 --> 00:07:57,650 and inhabited by the indigenous population of Māori. 154 00:07:58,897 --> 00:08:01,327 Most of our native forests were cut or burnt down 155 00:08:01,327 --> 00:08:03,547 and almost all our wetlands were destroyed 156 00:08:03,547 --> 00:08:05,687 to make way for farms. 157 00:08:05,687 --> 00:08:08,967 Today, we have over 6 million dairy cows 158 00:08:08,967 --> 00:08:11,597 and we're not doing this to feed ourselves. 159 00:08:11,597 --> 00:08:14,560 95% of our dairy products are exported. 160 00:08:16,897 --> 00:08:19,797 Kiwi farmers used to be known for farming sheep, 161 00:08:19,797 --> 00:08:23,637 but when white gold fever hit, they switched to cows, 162 00:08:23,637 --> 00:08:25,557 increasing the average dairy herd size 163 00:08:25,557 --> 00:08:27,990 from 100 to over 400. 164 00:08:29,097 --> 00:08:30,237 - Over the last 30 years, 165 00:08:30,237 --> 00:08:32,167 we didn't increase the amount of land. 166 00:08:32,167 --> 00:08:35,337 We just got rid of sheep and replaced them with cows 167 00:08:35,337 --> 00:08:37,760 and they have so much bigger output. 168 00:08:39,617 --> 00:08:41,667 - The dairy herd of Aotearoa produces over 169 00:08:41,667 --> 00:08:46,140 150 million liters of nitrogen rich urine every day. 170 00:08:47,427 --> 00:08:49,047 And each cow has the equivalent 171 00:08:49,047 --> 00:08:51,370 effluent footprint of 14 people. 172 00:08:53,257 --> 00:08:55,007 That means the cows in this country 173 00:08:55,007 --> 00:08:59,250 create the same amount of waste as nearly 90 million people. 174 00:09:01,117 --> 00:09:03,867 And with almost no wetlands left to filter that waste, 175 00:09:03,867 --> 00:09:06,440 it's no surprise that our waterways are in trouble. 176 00:09:08,079 --> 00:09:10,107 - New Zealand's like your beautiful friend 177 00:09:10,107 --> 00:09:12,167 that's just gone and got cancer. 178 00:09:12,167 --> 00:09:14,047 And so what's the source of the cancer? 179 00:09:14,047 --> 00:09:17,380 Well, it's primarily the dairy industry. 180 00:09:19,365 --> 00:09:21,037 So there's a particular New Zealand mode 181 00:09:21,037 --> 00:09:24,897 of economic development where we have these bonanzas, 182 00:09:24,897 --> 00:09:26,587 and the bonanzas are based on 183 00:09:26,587 --> 00:09:28,790 cashing in our natural resources. 184 00:09:29,637 --> 00:09:32,677 The dairy industry for the last 20 years 185 00:09:32,677 --> 00:09:34,547 has been a throwback to that 186 00:09:34,547 --> 00:09:36,877 19th-century style of development 187 00:09:36,877 --> 00:09:38,597 where we cash something in. 188 00:09:38,597 --> 00:09:41,220 And what we've cashed in is our fresh water. 189 00:09:42,747 --> 00:09:45,217 - It's simply been impossible for Kiwis to ignore. 190 00:09:45,217 --> 00:09:46,257 You used to be able to swim 191 00:09:46,282 --> 00:09:47,283 in our rivers and lakes in 192 00:09:47,308 --> 00:09:48,777 New Zealand without risk of getting sick. 193 00:09:48,777 --> 00:09:50,347 That just isn't possible, 194 00:09:50,347 --> 00:09:53,796 in bulk because of the impact of industrial dairy. 195 00:09:58,667 --> 00:10:02,427 Every year, we are losing 192 million tonnes of soil. 196 00:10:02,427 --> 00:10:03,977 You know, this is actually our most precious 197 00:10:03,977 --> 00:10:06,057 resource as a country, our top soil, 198 00:10:06,057 --> 00:10:08,737 is simply washing out to sea every single year 199 00:10:08,737 --> 00:10:11,257 because of our land use practices. 200 00:10:11,257 --> 00:10:14,327 - It's all about destroying our natural capital, 201 00:10:14,327 --> 00:10:17,977 which is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. 202 00:10:20,857 --> 00:10:24,260 In Te Ao Māori, the Māori world, water is sacred. 203 00:10:25,957 --> 00:10:28,297 We pushed for our country to be the first in the world 204 00:10:28,297 --> 00:10:31,080 to give a river the same legal status as a person. 205 00:10:33,257 --> 00:10:35,307 It worried me to know how much of an impact 206 00:10:35,307 --> 00:10:37,967 dairy farming was having on our fresh water, 207 00:10:37,967 --> 00:10:40,250 by using it and by polluting it. 208 00:10:43,127 --> 00:10:44,807 Just down the road from my family home 209 00:10:44,807 --> 00:10:47,420 was an alarming example of what could go wrong. 210 00:10:51,077 --> 00:10:52,727 I met with some community leaders 211 00:10:52,727 --> 00:10:54,577 who are trying to protect their lake. 212 00:10:56,598 --> 00:10:58,517 What did it used to be like back in the day 213 00:10:58,517 --> 00:10:59,770 when the lake was healthy? 214 00:11:00,701 --> 00:11:04,151 - Being by the lake, we were able to catch fish. 215 00:11:04,232 --> 00:11:06,000 We just did everything in there. 216 00:11:06,025 --> 00:11:07,128 And now you 217 00:11:07,153 --> 00:11:08,158 can't do any of them? 218 00:11:08,183 --> 00:11:10,763 We can't do any of that. Not even our children. 219 00:11:11,857 --> 00:11:13,817 The kids used to come down here 220 00:11:13,817 --> 00:11:17,287 and they just lived down here, swimming in the water, 221 00:11:17,287 --> 00:11:20,510 but the children had this sickness. 222 00:11:21,837 --> 00:11:26,517 It wasn't until all that algae started over here 223 00:11:26,517 --> 00:11:30,947 that we realized that there was more to it than that. 224 00:11:30,947 --> 00:11:33,847 - I've seen farmers spreading 225 00:11:33,847 --> 00:11:37,090 their manure and it's all blowing into the lake. 226 00:11:38,567 --> 00:11:41,077 - Further up the catchment we found there was a dairy farm 227 00:11:41,077 --> 00:11:43,300 and they had a consent to dump effluent. 228 00:11:44,222 --> 00:11:46,529 And if any nutrients get into the water, 229 00:11:46,554 --> 00:11:48,587 and especially around January, 230 00:11:48,587 --> 00:11:50,177 it's perfect for an incubator 231 00:11:50,177 --> 00:11:52,127 to actually just create an algae bloom. 232 00:11:53,457 --> 00:11:56,230 - You can't have the water for the children to play in. 233 00:11:57,427 --> 00:11:59,127 There's no one coming to the lake. 234 00:12:01,367 --> 00:12:05,177 - We're talking about other things like water storage 235 00:12:05,177 --> 00:12:06,527 for when there's a drought, 236 00:12:07,417 --> 00:12:11,090 and the drought is heading our way right now, as I speak. 237 00:12:12,637 --> 00:12:14,800 And people are gonna want water, 238 00:12:15,837 --> 00:12:19,167 but what they want is better water than this. 239 00:12:19,167 --> 00:12:21,177 - Water is gonna be the next gold. 240 00:12:21,177 --> 00:12:22,657 The water is the life force. 241 00:12:22,657 --> 00:12:24,407 And if we don't look after the water, 242 00:12:24,407 --> 00:12:26,657 then all of us will perish. 243 00:12:28,007 --> 00:12:30,607 - How could Fonterra be claiming to care about communities 244 00:12:30,607 --> 00:12:32,320 and environmental sustainability? 245 00:12:34,297 --> 00:12:37,527 I had to go call them again to see if they'd meet with me. 246 00:12:37,527 --> 00:12:40,237 We got your email about you guys declining 247 00:12:40,237 --> 00:12:41,837 to be part of the documentary. 248 00:12:41,837 --> 00:12:43,727 I just thought if environmental sustainability 249 00:12:43,727 --> 00:12:45,026 is at the heart of what you're doing, 250 00:12:45,067 --> 00:12:47,457 I just think this is a massively missed opportunity 251 00:12:47,457 --> 00:12:48,987 for you guys to share your initiatives 252 00:12:48,987 --> 00:12:50,387 with the New Zealand public. - Yeah. 253 00:12:50,387 --> 00:12:52,867 - Are those topics that you believe 254 00:12:52,867 --> 00:12:54,567 Fonterra would like to comment on? 255 00:12:55,527 --> 00:12:57,357 We can comment on any of them, but I mean, 256 00:12:57,357 --> 00:13:01,333 then you'd end up with a three hour video just on us. 257 00:13:01,333 --> 00:13:02,857 There's already a lot out there. 258 00:13:02,857 --> 00:13:04,807 - Yeah, but you'd probably admit 259 00:13:04,807 --> 00:13:07,017 that it is a bit confusing for consumers, 260 00:13:07,017 --> 00:13:09,617 kind of, the messages that they're getting these days? 261 00:13:09,617 --> 00:13:10,665 Mm-hmm. 262 00:13:11,574 --> 00:13:13,317 Well, we're a big player. 263 00:13:13,317 --> 00:13:15,402 It's a dairy industry thing, if that's what you're looking at? 264 00:13:15,427 --> 00:13:18,397 Then you're better off dealing with DairyNZ. 265 00:13:18,397 --> 00:13:20,707 - Yeah, I mean, Fonterra, 266 00:13:20,707 --> 00:13:23,797 Fonterra is New Zealand's largest company. 267 00:13:23,797 --> 00:13:25,297 Yes. 268 00:13:25,322 --> 00:13:26,409 - So, you know, we thought 269 00:13:26,434 --> 00:13:27,877 it'd be best if the story's 270 00:13:27,877 --> 00:13:30,447 coming directly from you guys rather than anyone else. 271 00:13:30,447 --> 00:13:32,257 Yeah, but I mean, while we're big 272 00:13:32,282 --> 00:13:34,442 we're also part of a big industry. 273 00:13:38,372 --> 00:13:40,537 What angle are you taking? How's it gonna work? 274 00:13:40,537 --> 00:13:41,937 Because New Zealand is pretty simple 275 00:13:41,937 --> 00:13:44,017 in terms of farming practices, 276 00:13:44,017 --> 00:13:46,128 which makes us more carbon efficient, 277 00:13:46,153 --> 00:13:47,537 the most nutritious milk in the world. 278 00:13:47,562 --> 00:13:49,372 So is that the angle you're taking? 279 00:13:50,137 --> 00:13:52,037 - We definitely want to get you on camera 280 00:13:52,037 --> 00:13:53,227 talking about that, 281 00:13:53,227 --> 00:13:55,567 talking about your side of the story in terms of 282 00:13:55,567 --> 00:13:57,560 what milk means to New Zealand. 283 00:13:58,436 --> 00:14:00,467 Well, we don't even need to say it on camera 284 00:14:00,497 --> 00:14:02,497 it's so well documented. 285 00:14:03,897 --> 00:14:05,377 What was going on? 286 00:14:05,377 --> 00:14:07,397 Why were they avoiding an interview? 287 00:14:07,397 --> 00:14:10,620 I was told to go on the DairyNZ website to see their facts. 288 00:14:12,387 --> 00:14:15,357 NZ dairy is 64% more emissions efficient 289 00:14:15,357 --> 00:14:16,557 than the global average. 290 00:14:18,137 --> 00:14:20,517 But I had to wonder where this information came from, 291 00:14:20,517 --> 00:14:22,597 and wasn't reassured when I saw it was from 292 00:14:22,597 --> 00:14:24,250 industry-funded research. 293 00:14:26,967 --> 00:14:29,217 It also doesn't include the huge amount of coal 294 00:14:29,217 --> 00:14:32,980 used to make milk powder, Fonterra's main export product. 295 00:14:36,267 --> 00:14:37,707 I did find someone from the industry 296 00:14:37,707 --> 00:14:39,540 who was willing to talk with me, though, 297 00:14:40,487 --> 00:14:43,237 a rep for the South Island Dairying Development Center. 298 00:14:45,167 --> 00:14:49,317 - So our vision is to be a great place for animals to live, 299 00:14:49,317 --> 00:14:52,717 producing high quality food to feed the world 300 00:14:52,717 --> 00:14:56,507 and having, you know, a sus- not an impact, 301 00:14:56,507 --> 00:14:59,297 a negative impact on the environment around us. 302 00:14:59,297 --> 00:15:02,277 So we're all about transparency at SIDDC. 303 00:15:02,277 --> 00:15:05,247 We try to share all of our data publicly 304 00:15:05,247 --> 00:15:08,657 and that's why I'm here speaking to you today. 305 00:15:08,657 --> 00:15:11,967 Canterbury seems to be quite a very dry region. 306 00:15:11,967 --> 00:15:14,287 Why have we seen such an increase 307 00:15:14,287 --> 00:15:15,607 in dairy farming in Canterbury, 308 00:15:15,607 --> 00:15:19,040 and do you think it's a suitable place for dairy farming? 309 00:15:21,877 --> 00:15:24,377 - Can I pass on that question? 310 00:15:25,657 --> 00:15:27,267 - How is synthetic fertilizer made 311 00:15:27,267 --> 00:15:28,817 and what is it made out of? 312 00:15:28,817 --> 00:15:31,787 - Yeah, I'll pass on that one. 313 00:15:31,787 --> 00:15:33,297 - Do you think we are putting 314 00:15:33,297 --> 00:15:35,440 our future food security at risk? 315 00:15:38,112 --> 00:15:40,286 - I don't wanna answer that. I dunno. 316 00:15:40,286 --> 00:15:44,097 Yeah. 317 00:15:44,097 --> 00:15:46,467 Well, that was confusing. 318 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:48,657 And what was even more confusing was all the media 319 00:15:48,657 --> 00:15:50,930 about the good things the industry was doing. 320 00:15:52,387 --> 00:15:54,937 Maybe they actually were heading in the right direction 321 00:15:54,937 --> 00:15:56,670 and things were improving? 322 00:15:57,591 --> 00:15:58,827 - You see, our waterways 323 00:15:58,827 --> 00:16:00,847 are a huge part of who we are. 324 00:16:00,847 --> 00:16:03,917 That's why thousands of Kiwis, including dairy farmers, 325 00:16:03,917 --> 00:16:06,677 have been working hard to make a difference. 326 00:16:06,677 --> 00:16:09,127 - The Environment Aotearoa Report in 2019 327 00:16:09,127 --> 00:16:11,657 said that 82% of waterways 328 00:16:11,657 --> 00:16:13,663 are unswimmable in farming catchments. 329 00:16:13,688 --> 00:16:14,747 - I think if we look at water, 330 00:16:14,747 --> 00:16:17,487 and we're doing a lot of investigation at the moment, 331 00:16:17,487 --> 00:16:18,837 the water is not as bad 332 00:16:18,837 --> 00:16:22,407 as perhaps those stats might indicate. 333 00:16:22,407 --> 00:16:24,077 But why was government and industry 334 00:16:24,077 --> 00:16:27,977 saying one thing and the science saying something else? 335 00:16:27,977 --> 00:16:29,387 - What I get really annoyed with 336 00:16:29,387 --> 00:16:31,627 is what I just call the bull 337 00:16:31,627 --> 00:16:35,547 that the dairy industry seems to enjoy. 338 00:16:35,547 --> 00:16:37,630 It's dishonest. It's greenwashing. 339 00:16:39,317 --> 00:16:41,807 The issue I've got is not with farmers. 340 00:16:41,807 --> 00:16:43,337 The issue I've long had, 341 00:16:43,337 --> 00:16:46,809 has been with farming leadership and the lack thereof. 342 00:16:48,247 --> 00:16:51,487 There's a complete level of just non-reality 343 00:16:51,487 --> 00:16:54,027 that pervades the dairy industry. 344 00:16:54,027 --> 00:16:55,967 We have environmental awards 345 00:16:55,967 --> 00:16:58,450 that are sponsored by fertilizer companies. 346 00:16:59,367 --> 00:17:02,377 - The reality is that we're not clean. 347 00:17:02,377 --> 00:17:03,506 We might be green, 348 00:17:03,531 --> 00:17:04,538 but it's just because 349 00:17:04,563 --> 00:17:06,307 there's lots of fertilizer going on the grass, 350 00:17:06,307 --> 00:17:08,076 making it look green. 351 00:17:09,307 --> 00:17:10,897 New Zealanders really care 352 00:17:10,897 --> 00:17:12,317 about the environment. 353 00:17:12,317 --> 00:17:14,027 Even as one of the lowest emission 354 00:17:14,027 --> 00:17:15,577 dairy producers in the world, 355 00:17:15,577 --> 00:17:17,647 we continuing to work on new ways 356 00:17:17,647 --> 00:17:20,577 to reduce our carbon footprint. 357 00:17:20,577 --> 00:17:23,797 Industry greenwashing was everywhere I looked. 358 00:17:23,797 --> 00:17:25,177 This carbon zero milk 359 00:17:25,177 --> 00:17:28,237 is less than 1% of their total milk production, 360 00:17:28,237 --> 00:17:30,617 and it's achieved by buying carbon offsets 361 00:17:30,617 --> 00:17:32,670 instead of actual emission reduction. 362 00:17:34,027 --> 00:17:36,917 Likewise, with their plant-based milk bottles, 363 00:17:36,917 --> 00:17:39,497 a container made from plants, not plastic. 364 00:17:39,497 --> 00:17:42,667 But otherwise, the same old milk. 365 00:17:42,667 --> 00:17:44,797 - What the farming groups tend to hear 366 00:17:44,797 --> 00:17:48,907 is so much propaganda from their own industry 367 00:17:48,907 --> 00:17:52,637 and so little honest reality 368 00:17:52,637 --> 00:17:55,277 that they tend to be shocked when they first hear it, 369 00:17:55,277 --> 00:17:56,937 and they run back to the industry 370 00:17:56,937 --> 00:17:59,737 to get the story that suits. 371 00:17:59,737 --> 00:18:03,527 - So it doesn't create the burning platform for change 372 00:18:03,527 --> 00:18:07,680 that actually the real facts would demand. 373 00:18:08,742 --> 00:18:09,757 - I searched online 374 00:18:09,757 --> 00:18:12,397 and saw that New Zealand's biggest greenhouse gas emitter 375 00:18:12,397 --> 00:18:17,267 is Fonterra, with a huge 22 million tons every year. 376 00:18:17,267 --> 00:18:19,657 But if that seems bad, it gets worse. 377 00:18:19,657 --> 00:18:21,437 I found a report that shows Fonterra 378 00:18:21,437 --> 00:18:24,637 are massively under-reporting their emissions. 379 00:18:24,637 --> 00:18:28,177 Instead of the 22 million tonnes that Fonterra claims 380 00:18:28,177 --> 00:18:32,597 the researchers discovered it was over 44 million tonnes. 381 00:18:32,597 --> 00:18:34,297 That would mean Fonterra alone 382 00:18:34,297 --> 00:18:37,277 produces more than the whole of Sweden, 383 00:18:37,277 --> 00:18:40,020 a country with twice the population of Aotearoa. 384 00:18:41,667 --> 00:18:44,707 I was surprised to find out that almost all dairy emissions 385 00:18:44,707 --> 00:18:46,938 are from the cows themselves. 386 00:18:46,938 --> 00:18:49,297 Methane comes from their digestive system 387 00:18:49,297 --> 00:18:51,207 and nitrous oxide comes from the soil 388 00:18:51,207 --> 00:18:53,730 when effluent and fertilizers are broken down. 389 00:18:56,147 --> 00:19:00,287 - These animals produce gas, that's methane, 390 00:19:00,287 --> 00:19:02,897 and that's a very virulent greenhouse gas. 391 00:19:02,897 --> 00:19:05,247 So CO2, everybody knows about, 392 00:19:05,247 --> 00:19:08,127 everybody knows about the burning of fossil fuel, 393 00:19:08,127 --> 00:19:11,550 but people are not talking about the methane. 394 00:19:13,036 --> 00:19:14,060 - Other countries, 395 00:19:14,060 --> 00:19:16,737 you can see the smokestacks and the pollution pouring out. 396 00:19:16,737 --> 00:19:18,067 We've gotta remember, in New Zealand, 397 00:19:18,067 --> 00:19:20,897 our farms are our factories. 398 00:19:20,897 --> 00:19:22,697 It turns out that grass-fed cows 399 00:19:22,697 --> 00:19:25,787 produce more methane than grain-fed cows. 400 00:19:25,787 --> 00:19:27,847 Methane has a global warming potential 401 00:19:27,847 --> 00:19:31,097 that's 84 times stronger than CO2. 402 00:19:31,122 --> 00:19:32,147 And one dairy cow 403 00:19:32,147 --> 00:19:35,060 produces about 500 kilograms of methane. 404 00:19:37,217 --> 00:19:39,097 I wanted to know what Fonterra's plan was 405 00:19:39,097 --> 00:19:41,527 to reduce these emissions on farms. 406 00:19:41,527 --> 00:19:44,427 I was astounded to find out that the Zero Carbon Bill 407 00:19:44,427 --> 00:19:47,757 created an exemption for methane from farm animals, 408 00:19:47,757 --> 00:19:52,397 with only a 10% reduction required by 2030. 409 00:19:52,397 --> 00:19:54,267 Despite this super low threshold, 410 00:19:54,267 --> 00:19:57,247 Fonterra were forecasting no reduction at all 411 00:19:57,247 --> 00:19:59,387 in emissions from cows. 412 00:19:59,387 --> 00:20:02,016 So much for a climate emergency. 413 00:20:02,016 --> 00:20:03,902 - What do we want? - Climate justice! 414 00:20:03,902 --> 00:20:06,057 - When do we want it? - Now! 415 00:20:06,057 --> 00:20:08,007 Along with the methane produced on farms, 416 00:20:08,007 --> 00:20:11,237 the dairy industry also creates emissions in other ways, 417 00:20:11,237 --> 00:20:13,927 like using fertilizer made with fossil fuels 418 00:20:13,927 --> 00:20:17,285 and coal to dehydrate milk. 419 00:20:17,285 --> 00:20:19,817 There's just so little understanding 420 00:20:19,817 --> 00:20:23,990 of just how much we are dependent on fossil fuels, 421 00:20:24,867 --> 00:20:26,867 not just for everything we do 422 00:20:26,867 --> 00:20:28,397 and how we transport ourselves, 423 00:20:28,397 --> 00:20:30,330 but in our food as well. 424 00:20:31,552 --> 00:20:33,797 - And the fact that Fonterra alone is burning 425 00:20:33,797 --> 00:20:37,917 410,000 tonnes of coal every year to dehydrate milk 426 00:20:37,917 --> 00:20:40,087 gives you a sense of the industrial scale 427 00:20:40,087 --> 00:20:42,457 we've gone down industrial agriculture, big time, 428 00:20:42,457 --> 00:20:45,665 and we've got industrial-sized emissions. 429 00:20:45,665 --> 00:20:46,987 - Climate change is affecting 430 00:20:46,987 --> 00:20:49,737 the world everywhere, it's happening now. 431 00:20:49,737 --> 00:20:53,047 The ice is melting, sea levels are rising, 432 00:20:53,047 --> 00:20:55,517 floods and droughts and hurricanes 433 00:20:55,517 --> 00:20:57,480 are getting worse and more frequent. 434 00:20:58,637 --> 00:21:01,277 What are the measures that will be taken 435 00:21:01,277 --> 00:21:03,307 to address that emergency? 436 00:21:03,307 --> 00:21:05,997 Practical measures, things that will actually happen? 437 00:21:05,997 --> 00:21:07,950 Not things that we just talk about? 438 00:21:09,257 --> 00:21:11,617 We know we have to control emissions. 439 00:21:11,617 --> 00:21:15,373 We know we shouldn't have billions of animals. 440 00:21:21,237 --> 00:21:24,117 Emissions aren't the only major concern. 441 00:21:24,117 --> 00:21:25,557 If water is the new gold, 442 00:21:25,557 --> 00:21:27,570 we're not investing it very wisely. 443 00:21:29,627 --> 00:21:30,787 Every year in Aotearoa, 444 00:21:30,787 --> 00:21:34,127 we're using 4.8 billion cubic meters of water 445 00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:35,277 for the dairy industry. 446 00:21:37,267 --> 00:21:39,297 That's 11 times the water use 447 00:21:39,297 --> 00:21:41,060 of the country's human population. 448 00:21:43,977 --> 00:21:46,077 - Lots of water is used 449 00:21:46,077 --> 00:21:48,680 to change vegetable to animal protein. 450 00:21:49,827 --> 00:21:52,277 Dwindling supplies of fresh water 451 00:21:52,277 --> 00:21:54,060 are important in New Zealand. 452 00:21:55,717 --> 00:21:58,367 - Entire rivers are drying up in summer now 453 00:21:58,367 --> 00:22:00,344 because big, irrigating dairy farms, 454 00:22:00,344 --> 00:22:03,137 are taking too much water from them. 455 00:22:03,137 --> 00:22:05,067 An example of this crazy high use 456 00:22:05,067 --> 00:22:07,417 is one dairy company taking more water 457 00:22:07,417 --> 00:22:08,477 from the Waikato River 458 00:22:08,477 --> 00:22:10,187 than the whole city of all Auckland 459 00:22:10,187 --> 00:22:12,830 with over 1.6 million people. 460 00:22:14,007 --> 00:22:15,967 Regional councils around Aotearoa 461 00:22:15,967 --> 00:22:18,657 are responsible for enforcing regulations, 462 00:22:18,657 --> 00:22:21,670 but it seems they aren't quite doing their job properly. 463 00:22:27,817 --> 00:22:29,787 I heard about someone who was taking on the fight 464 00:22:29,787 --> 00:22:31,517 for better water monitoring, 465 00:22:31,517 --> 00:22:35,487 a former boxer who gave up his job to become a river ranger 466 00:22:35,487 --> 00:22:37,807 after discovering the river he'd swum in as a boy 467 00:22:37,807 --> 00:22:40,130 had been ruined by dairy effluent. 468 00:22:41,677 --> 00:22:44,180 - My uncle and I, we went out to our homestead, 469 00:22:45,067 --> 00:22:48,007 we just couldn't believe how bad the river was. 470 00:22:48,007 --> 00:22:50,867 Full of urine, excrement from cattle, 471 00:22:50,867 --> 00:22:53,695 and the stench, the cattle everywhere. 472 00:22:54,171 --> 00:22:57,481 Yeah, and I started to cry, you know, at the enormity of it. 473 00:22:58,687 --> 00:23:01,710 I understood that day, it's totally unmonitored. 474 00:23:03,127 --> 00:23:04,710 So at that point in time in my life, 475 00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:07,857 I just decided to get myself a boat suitable, 476 00:23:07,857 --> 00:23:11,160 just for rivers, just try and do some reporting. 477 00:23:12,797 --> 00:23:18,904 DairyNZ and Fonterra say, "Oh, we're 97.5% fenced off now." 478 00:23:19,167 --> 00:23:22,147 Ah, but is your fence fit for purpose? 479 00:23:22,147 --> 00:23:24,937 Many farmers raising both sides of their fence, 480 00:23:24,937 --> 00:23:27,937 so they open their gate and put the cattle on the riverbank. 481 00:23:30,537 --> 00:23:32,657 One of the river water quality tests I done 482 00:23:32,657 --> 00:23:34,787 up at the Whangārei Falls up here, 483 00:23:34,787 --> 00:23:38,170 it was 10 times over the safe limit for swimming. 484 00:23:39,967 --> 00:23:44,357 - So this water looks nice, but is that not the case? 485 00:23:44,357 --> 00:23:45,567 - You can't drink it. 486 00:23:45,567 --> 00:23:46,583 You'd have to think twice 487 00:23:46,608 --> 00:23:49,234 about letting your kids swim in it. 488 00:23:49,234 --> 00:23:51,398 Nitrate is huge. You know, huge problem. 489 00:23:51,423 --> 00:23:52,450 We can't see it. 490 00:23:52,450 --> 00:23:54,967 It's penetrating through the ground to the rivers. 491 00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:59,650 Aotearoa has got a problem with water quality. For sure. 492 00:24:01,927 --> 00:24:03,097 After talking with Millan, 493 00:24:03,097 --> 00:24:05,327 I wanted to find out why nitrates seemed to be 494 00:24:05,327 --> 00:24:07,730 one of the biggest issues for water quality. 495 00:24:08,842 --> 00:24:12,622 - In nature, all plants need nitrogen to grow, 496 00:24:12,647 --> 00:24:16,037 but nature will provide it for us if we let it. 497 00:24:16,037 --> 00:24:18,477 Instead, big agribusinesses 498 00:24:18,477 --> 00:24:22,017 like Ravensdown and Agri Balance here in New Zealand, 499 00:24:22,017 --> 00:24:24,620 sell synthetic nitrogen fertilizer. 500 00:24:25,827 --> 00:24:28,797 New Zealand holds the dishonorable title 501 00:24:28,797 --> 00:24:31,247 of having increased synthetic fertilizer use 502 00:24:31,247 --> 00:24:34,960 more than any other OECD nation since 1990. 503 00:24:36,794 --> 00:24:39,137 - All through nature for the 10,000 years 504 00:24:39,137 --> 00:24:40,887 that humans have been doing agriculture, 505 00:24:40,887 --> 00:24:42,437 it's about natural balances. 506 00:24:42,437 --> 00:24:44,887 What we've done now is a one way system 507 00:24:44,887 --> 00:24:47,627 where the way we have so many cows 508 00:24:47,627 --> 00:24:50,917 is we put heaps of synthetic nitrogen fertilizer on 509 00:24:50,917 --> 00:24:52,687 made from fossil fuels. 510 00:24:52,687 --> 00:24:55,077 We're the biggest importer of palm kernel in the world. 511 00:24:55,077 --> 00:24:57,777 So we put all of this stuff on the farm 512 00:24:57,777 --> 00:24:59,947 to have this really high stocking rate. 513 00:24:59,947 --> 00:25:01,557 We could never have that stocking rate 514 00:25:01,557 --> 00:25:03,177 without all these inputs. 515 00:25:03,177 --> 00:25:06,327 And so, the more you pour into a farming system 516 00:25:06,327 --> 00:25:09,047 from the outside, the more leaks out bottom, 517 00:25:09,047 --> 00:25:10,617 and the leaking out the bottom 518 00:25:10,617 --> 00:25:13,247 we're seeing is the impacts on our waterways. 519 00:25:13,247 --> 00:25:16,021 If nitrate turned our rivers red, 520 00:25:16,046 --> 00:25:17,437 you know, we wouldn't have the problem. 521 00:25:17,437 --> 00:25:18,777 It's only 'cause people can't see it, 522 00:25:18,802 --> 00:25:20,468 they don't know it's there. 523 00:25:22,692 --> 00:25:25,122 As you get more nitrate in drinking water, 524 00:25:25,147 --> 00:25:26,794 the chances of getting colorectal cancer, 525 00:25:26,794 --> 00:25:28,217 and a bunch of other things, 526 00:25:28,217 --> 00:25:30,892 but we'll just talk about the colorectal cancer for a start, 527 00:25:30,892 --> 00:25:32,225 really increase. 528 00:25:33,629 --> 00:25:35,017 We've got nitrate levels 529 00:25:35,017 --> 00:25:38,570 just ramping up in drinking water in Canterbury. 530 00:25:39,877 --> 00:25:41,697 - So in Canterbury, where I'm from, 531 00:25:41,697 --> 00:25:44,517 we have the highest stocking rates in the country 532 00:25:44,517 --> 00:25:47,757 and the highest rates of the use of synthetic fertilizer. 533 00:25:47,757 --> 00:25:50,117 We are already seeing drinking wells 534 00:25:50,117 --> 00:25:52,147 showing up levels that are associated 535 00:25:52,147 --> 00:25:56,247 with an increased risk of colorectal cancer. 536 00:25:56,247 --> 00:25:57,677 In rural Canterbury, 537 00:25:57,677 --> 00:26:00,567 pregnant mothers are being advised by health officials 538 00:26:00,567 --> 00:26:03,697 that they need to get their private drinking water tested 539 00:26:03,697 --> 00:26:06,927 for fear that it will cause fatal blue baby syndrome 540 00:26:06,927 --> 00:26:09,707 from increased nitrate contamination. 541 00:26:09,707 --> 00:26:12,127 It's not just dirty rivers that we are talking about here. 542 00:26:12,152 --> 00:26:14,720 We're talking about people's health and well-being. 543 00:26:18,107 --> 00:26:19,927 - I needed to talk with someone at Fonterra 544 00:26:19,927 --> 00:26:22,427 about everything I'd learned so far. 545 00:26:22,427 --> 00:26:25,027 I decided the only option was to just turn up 546 00:26:25,027 --> 00:26:26,277 and see who I could find. 547 00:26:30,537 --> 00:26:32,287 We're working on a documentary. 548 00:26:32,287 --> 00:26:35,277 We're wondering if we could speak to someone from Fonterra 549 00:26:35,277 --> 00:26:37,147 who can represent the New Zealand dairy industry 550 00:26:37,147 --> 00:26:38,822 to have a chat with us? - OK, yeah. 551 00:26:38,822 --> 00:26:41,066 - I'll probably ask Kayley about that. 552 00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:42,167 - OK. 553 00:26:44,445 --> 00:26:45,700 I wanted someone to front up 554 00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:47,827 and answer the questions I had for them 555 00:26:47,827 --> 00:26:49,747 that no one else could answer. 556 00:26:49,747 --> 00:26:50,897 - If you can just pop onto our, 557 00:26:50,897 --> 00:26:53,177 - But instead I was asked to leave another message. 558 00:26:53,177 --> 00:26:55,007 Website or Facebook? 559 00:26:55,007 --> 00:26:57,696 Can't say, I didn't see that coming. 560 00:26:58,817 --> 00:27:00,987 I'd already called the number they gave me a few times 561 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:02,497 and hadn't heard back from anyone, 562 00:27:02,497 --> 00:27:04,660 but I left one last message anyway. 563 00:27:05,734 --> 00:27:08,077 "Sustainability and social responsibility 564 00:27:08,077 --> 00:27:11,624 are a fundamental part of the way Fonterra operates." 565 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:13,887 - Dairy's important 566 00:27:13,887 --> 00:27:18,177 for good nutrition, especially in young growing bodies. 567 00:27:18,177 --> 00:27:20,387 Fonterra milk for schools helps make sure 568 00:27:20,387 --> 00:27:22,227 primary school kids in New Zealand 569 00:27:22,227 --> 00:27:24,327 not only get to enjoy our milk, 570 00:27:24,327 --> 00:27:28,494 but also learn about the nutritional power it has. 571 00:27:29,892 --> 00:27:32,597 With all the claims to be producing healthy food 572 00:27:32,597 --> 00:27:34,637 I wanted to know if this was the reality 573 00:27:34,637 --> 00:27:36,197 or just another illusion. 574 00:27:36,197 --> 00:27:38,847 So I contacted some health professionals to find out. 575 00:27:40,287 --> 00:27:41,967 - It's not beneficial, not required, 576 00:27:41,967 --> 00:27:43,887 associated with lots of diseases. 577 00:27:43,887 --> 00:27:45,417 The science is there, it's just, 578 00:27:45,417 --> 00:27:47,617 we need people to catch up with the science. 579 00:27:49,227 --> 00:27:51,947 So industry often talk a lot about calcium. 580 00:27:51,947 --> 00:27:54,917 "You gotta drink milk because it's a good source of calcium," 581 00:27:54,917 --> 00:27:57,577 but I think they are kind of moving away from that. 582 00:27:57,577 --> 00:28:01,437 - A lot of those old ideas they've cunningly backed off. 583 00:28:01,437 --> 00:28:03,507 Unfortunately, of course, the damage has been done 584 00:28:03,507 --> 00:28:05,667 because that's what a lot of people, I guess, 585 00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:07,940 even my age learned when we were kids. 586 00:28:07,965 --> 00:28:10,407 In fact, what we see is that the countries that eat 587 00:28:10,407 --> 00:28:12,227 the highest amounts of calcium 588 00:28:12,227 --> 00:28:15,077 have the highest rates of hip fractures and osteoporosis. 589 00:28:17,277 --> 00:28:19,227 A New Zealand based study clearly shows 590 00:28:19,227 --> 00:28:20,397 there's no evidence that 591 00:28:20,397 --> 00:28:24,297 increasing calcium from dietary sources prevents fractures. 592 00:28:24,297 --> 00:28:26,447 Yet, that's what most health professionals 593 00:28:26,447 --> 00:28:27,760 are still telling us. 594 00:28:29,007 --> 00:28:31,167 - I think it would be very, very beneficial 595 00:28:31,167 --> 00:28:32,257 for society as a whole 596 00:28:32,257 --> 00:28:35,317 if doctors were trained in nutrition, but they're not. 597 00:28:35,317 --> 00:28:37,707 They get very limited amounts of nutrition training. 598 00:28:37,707 --> 00:28:41,350 So basically what they teach is what's popular opinion. 599 00:28:42,497 --> 00:28:43,937 - The main issue is that 600 00:28:43,937 --> 00:28:45,587 the majority of the world's population 601 00:28:45,587 --> 00:28:48,718 cannot digest the lactose in milk. 602 00:28:48,718 --> 00:28:50,177 Particularly in Southeast Asia. 603 00:28:50,177 --> 00:28:52,987 And there's good evidence that in the Pacific and Māori, 604 00:28:52,987 --> 00:28:55,767 there's higher rates of lactose intolerance, 605 00:28:55,767 --> 00:28:57,497 but also it increases the amount of mucus 606 00:28:57,497 --> 00:29:00,067 and sinus inflammation that people get. 607 00:29:00,067 --> 00:29:01,567 Kids are very vulnerable to it. 608 00:29:01,567 --> 00:29:02,887 If they can cut out the dairy, 609 00:29:02,887 --> 00:29:04,737 they can really respond very quickly. 610 00:29:05,677 --> 00:29:08,057 - We know that there's numerous issues with dairy. 611 00:29:08,057 --> 00:29:09,377 That is one of the things that really 612 00:29:09,377 --> 00:29:10,847 annoys me about the milk in schools. 613 00:29:10,847 --> 00:29:13,367 The implication by having the milk in there 614 00:29:13,367 --> 00:29:14,957 is that this is something that's healthy, 615 00:29:14,957 --> 00:29:16,517 that they should be eating. 616 00:29:16,517 --> 00:29:19,360 There's a very good chance that it's actually hurting them. 617 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,517 - Fonterra milk for schools 618 00:29:21,517 --> 00:29:24,887 is one of the best ways we can look out for our communities, 619 00:29:24,887 --> 00:29:26,687 nurturing the next generation 620 00:29:26,687 --> 00:29:28,960 by sharing the natural goodness of dairy. 621 00:29:30,317 --> 00:29:34,737 We are Fonterra and this is Dairy for life. 622 00:29:34,737 --> 00:29:36,777 - They want you to start off young 623 00:29:36,777 --> 00:29:39,627 and they want to get into the minds of our youth population 624 00:29:39,627 --> 00:29:41,087 so that once you've got that 625 00:29:41,087 --> 00:29:43,070 person hooked on your product, 626 00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:45,170 they're gonna be a customer for life. 627 00:29:46,357 --> 00:29:49,177 In the 300,000 year history of modern humans, 628 00:29:49,177 --> 00:29:51,457 the earliest people drank milk from other animals 629 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:54,137 was only 10,000 years ago. 630 00:29:54,137 --> 00:29:57,827 Humans are the only species that drinks milk after infancy 631 00:29:57,827 --> 00:30:01,227 and the only ones that take milk from other animals. 632 00:30:01,227 --> 00:30:03,857 Cows were the obvious choice in most places. 633 00:30:03,857 --> 00:30:05,677 But if our aim was to get a milk supply 634 00:30:05,677 --> 00:30:07,937 with similar nutrition to our own, 635 00:30:07,937 --> 00:30:09,757 we could have gone with zebra milk, 636 00:30:09,757 --> 00:30:12,257 or maybe even chimpanzee milk. 637 00:30:12,257 --> 00:30:13,912 But I guess that's not so easy. 638 00:30:14,668 --> 00:30:16,658 What about dog milk for convenience 639 00:30:16,683 --> 00:30:18,979 and an extra boost of protein? 640 00:30:19,004 --> 00:30:21,720 Not sure if Fonterra could sell that idea, though. 641 00:30:23,127 --> 00:30:26,667 And we aren't even meant to consume high amounts of protein. 642 00:30:26,667 --> 00:30:28,687 Human milk is perfectly designed for us 643 00:30:28,687 --> 00:30:31,920 and has the lowest protein amount of any mammal's milk. 644 00:30:33,737 --> 00:30:35,547 Everything that's contained 645 00:30:35,547 --> 00:30:38,797 in any of these dairy products or in any animal product, 646 00:30:38,797 --> 00:30:41,247 with the exception of vitamin B12 of course, 647 00:30:41,247 --> 00:30:42,797 comes from the plants essentially. 648 00:30:42,797 --> 00:30:45,677 And so by having the animals eat them first 649 00:30:45,677 --> 00:30:46,857 and then us eating the animals, 650 00:30:46,857 --> 00:30:49,586 it's a very inefficient way of us getting to that nutrition, 651 00:30:49,611 --> 00:30:50,797 which we could have just got 652 00:30:50,797 --> 00:30:53,017 from the plants in the first place. 653 00:30:53,017 --> 00:30:57,427 We don't need to filter our nutrition through animals. 654 00:30:57,427 --> 00:30:58,707 We'd do a lot better going 655 00:30:58,732 --> 00:31:02,251 straight to the source of nutrition in the first instance. 656 00:31:04,617 --> 00:31:07,137 It makes sense that we can skip the middle cow 657 00:31:07,137 --> 00:31:09,377 like our early ancestors did. 658 00:31:09,377 --> 00:31:12,877 And it turns out we also filter other things through cows 659 00:31:12,877 --> 00:31:14,990 like antibiotics and hormones. 660 00:31:16,067 --> 00:31:18,637 - They're routinely fed antibiotics. 661 00:31:18,637 --> 00:31:21,087 The bacteria build up resistance 662 00:31:21,087 --> 00:31:24,707 and people have already died from a small cut, 663 00:31:24,707 --> 00:31:26,607 which becomes infected, 664 00:31:26,607 --> 00:31:28,583 and there just isn't an antibiotic 665 00:31:28,607 --> 00:31:30,537 strong enough to cure it. 666 00:31:30,537 --> 00:31:33,267 It's one of the big fears in medicine 667 00:31:33,267 --> 00:31:35,507 that we're gradually reducing 668 00:31:35,507 --> 00:31:37,990 the number of antibiotics that can be effective. 669 00:31:39,797 --> 00:31:42,447 Antibiotics are often used for mastitis, 670 00:31:42,447 --> 00:31:45,217 a common and painful inflammation of the udder 671 00:31:45,217 --> 00:31:48,167 that causes white blood cells to leach into milk. 672 00:31:48,167 --> 00:31:51,737 A liter of milk can have up to 400 million of these cells 673 00:31:51,737 --> 00:31:54,937 before it's considered unfit for people to drink. 674 00:31:54,937 --> 00:31:57,187 - Given that it's got these kinds of things in there, 675 00:31:57,187 --> 00:31:59,127 is that really something you wanna be consuming 676 00:31:59,127 --> 00:32:00,220 from another animal? 677 00:32:01,327 --> 00:32:02,617 The processing that they have 678 00:32:02,617 --> 00:32:05,207 is because it's a dirty product, you know? 679 00:32:05,207 --> 00:32:08,737 It's got a lot of stuff in there that can make you sick. 680 00:32:08,737 --> 00:32:11,217 Everyone knows what it smells like after it's been, 681 00:32:11,217 --> 00:32:13,317 you know, left out for a day or two. 682 00:32:13,317 --> 00:32:14,340 It's nasty. 683 00:32:15,217 --> 00:32:17,487 - This is not a food that was ever designed 684 00:32:17,487 --> 00:32:19,077 to be inside a human being. 685 00:32:19,077 --> 00:32:21,647 'Cause you've got these cows, they're pregnant, 686 00:32:21,647 --> 00:32:23,137 they're lactating at the same time 687 00:32:23,137 --> 00:32:26,317 so the female hormones in a dairy cow 688 00:32:26,317 --> 00:32:27,717 are really, really high. 689 00:32:27,717 --> 00:32:29,067 And so you've got things like estrogen, 690 00:32:29,067 --> 00:32:31,057 which is in the milk. 691 00:32:31,057 --> 00:32:33,527 What this also does is it will 692 00:32:33,527 --> 00:32:35,820 grow cells that are abnormal really quickly. 693 00:32:37,337 --> 00:32:39,407 - That's probably one of the reasons why 694 00:32:39,407 --> 00:32:42,257 it is associated with hormone sensitive cancers. 695 00:32:42,257 --> 00:32:45,307 So that's your prostate cancer, breast cancer. 696 00:32:45,307 --> 00:32:47,927 - Definitely a very strong link with prostate cancer, 697 00:32:47,927 --> 00:32:49,407 possibly even stronger than there is 698 00:32:49,407 --> 00:32:51,357 with smoking and lung cancer. 699 00:32:51,357 --> 00:32:53,667 It's full of stuff that blows up a small calf 700 00:32:53,667 --> 00:32:58,287 into a huge cow within, you know, a year or so. 701 00:32:58,287 --> 00:32:59,507 One study found that even 702 00:32:59,507 --> 00:33:01,527 moderate of dairy milk consumption 703 00:33:01,527 --> 00:33:05,787 can increase women's risk of breast cancer up to 80%. 704 00:33:05,787 --> 00:33:07,467 And yet this isn't even mentioned 705 00:33:07,467 --> 00:33:10,367 on our national Breast Cancer Foundation website 706 00:33:10,367 --> 00:33:12,617 who are still promoting dairy products, 707 00:33:12,617 --> 00:33:14,767 saying they're important for bone health, 708 00:33:14,767 --> 00:33:17,497 that same old idea. 709 00:33:17,497 --> 00:33:20,137 - People need to be informed of what they're buying 710 00:33:20,137 --> 00:33:21,607 and the risks of it. 711 00:33:21,607 --> 00:33:23,757 - Why would you promote anything that's been associated 712 00:33:23,757 --> 00:33:25,535 with any kind of cancer? 713 00:33:30,907 --> 00:33:33,927 - These conversations made me think of my own family 714 00:33:33,927 --> 00:33:35,730 and the loved ones I've lost. 715 00:33:37,247 --> 00:33:40,877 Māori men are 70% more likely to die from prostate cancer 716 00:33:40,877 --> 00:33:42,287 than non-Māori. 717 00:33:42,287 --> 00:33:43,347 And if the link between 718 00:33:43,347 --> 00:33:46,687 dairy consumption and prostate cancer was common knowledge, 719 00:33:46,687 --> 00:33:49,140 maybe I could have met my grandfather. 720 00:33:51,947 --> 00:33:53,277 The more I thought about it, 721 00:33:53,277 --> 00:33:56,354 the stranger it seemed that we even consume dairy at all. 722 00:33:58,137 --> 00:34:00,477 Māori have historically been some of the tallest, 723 00:34:00,477 --> 00:34:02,977 strongest, fittest people on the planet 724 00:34:02,977 --> 00:34:05,837 and we didn't have dairy until Europeans showed up. 725 00:34:05,837 --> 00:34:08,140 So we obviously don't need it to be healthy. 726 00:34:11,427 --> 00:34:14,217 Dairy being marketed to us as a health food 727 00:34:14,217 --> 00:34:15,590 ignores our history. 728 00:34:18,257 --> 00:34:22,097 Chronic disease was almost unheard of before colonization, 729 00:34:22,097 --> 00:34:23,797 but now, with one of the highest 730 00:34:23,797 --> 00:34:26,317 dairy consumption rates in the world, 731 00:34:26,317 --> 00:34:28,977 Māori suffer from higher rates of diabetes, 732 00:34:28,977 --> 00:34:31,144 heart disease and cancers. 733 00:34:39,637 --> 00:34:40,810 Hello, Chris speaking. 734 00:34:40,835 --> 00:34:41,950 Chris. Hi. 735 00:34:41,950 --> 00:34:44,077 This is Philippa from Fonterra. How are you? 736 00:34:44,077 --> 00:34:45,647 - Philippa? Hi, yeah, I'm good, thanks. 737 00:34:45,647 --> 00:34:47,567 We are really hoping to get someone 738 00:34:47,567 --> 00:34:49,467 from Fonterra to talk to us. 739 00:34:49,467 --> 00:34:50,947 Does that sound like -- - Mm-hmm. 740 00:34:50,947 --> 00:34:52,897 - something you'd be able to help us with? 741 00:34:52,897 --> 00:34:54,578 New Zealand's dairy industry 742 00:34:54,578 --> 00:34:56,627 is the most sustainable in the world. 743 00:34:56,627 --> 00:35:00,137 And actually the farming practices here 744 00:35:00,137 --> 00:35:02,437 are the least emissions efficient, 745 00:35:02,437 --> 00:35:04,116 sorry, the most emissions efficient 746 00:35:04,141 --> 00:35:06,788 out of any in the world. 747 00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:08,167 - But what we are noticing as well 748 00:35:08,167 --> 00:35:10,667 is what's happening to our waterways. 749 00:35:10,667 --> 00:35:12,257 What's happening to that footprint 750 00:35:12,257 --> 00:35:14,870 of greenhouse gas emissions coming out of the sector. 751 00:35:16,847 --> 00:35:20,377 I was asked to email them again with the same information 752 00:35:20,377 --> 00:35:22,237 and realized that to get some honesty, 753 00:35:22,237 --> 00:35:24,420 I had to find farmers to talk with instead. 754 00:35:25,327 --> 00:35:27,447 I was surprised with what I found out 755 00:35:27,447 --> 00:35:28,750 about life on the farm. 756 00:35:31,287 --> 00:35:34,297 - The family's been farming here for 95-odd years, 757 00:35:34,297 --> 00:35:37,597 and we've always dairy farmed here. 758 00:35:37,597 --> 00:35:41,267 I was born here and yeah, I'll probably die here. 759 00:35:41,267 --> 00:35:44,392 Hopefully. But not too soon! 760 00:35:44,707 --> 00:35:46,007 We work seven days a week. 761 00:35:46,007 --> 00:35:49,027 We're up at 3:30, 4:00 in the morning, 762 00:35:49,027 --> 00:35:51,327 home by six o'clock, maybe at night, 763 00:35:51,327 --> 00:35:52,477 worse in the spring. 764 00:35:52,477 --> 00:35:53,867 Lucky if you get a bit of breakfast 765 00:35:53,867 --> 00:35:56,367 in the morning, some days, you know, it's full on. 766 00:35:57,217 --> 00:36:01,067 And with all the other, you know, 767 00:36:01,067 --> 00:36:05,628 everything coming at you from all sides, nah, 768 00:36:05,628 --> 00:36:10,628 the motivation to be continuing to dairy farm is gone. 769 00:36:12,726 --> 00:36:15,877 If people aren't appreciative of what you're doing, 770 00:36:15,877 --> 00:36:18,567 then that motivation disappears pretty quick. 771 00:36:18,567 --> 00:36:21,957 And then, you don't see a vat full of milk to feed people. 772 00:36:21,957 --> 00:36:23,790 You see a vat full of money. 773 00:36:26,927 --> 00:36:28,930 Now talk about sustainability. 774 00:36:29,857 --> 00:36:34,920 No one considers the sustainability to the farmers, 775 00:36:35,759 --> 00:36:38,090 the sustainability of human, 776 00:36:39,392 --> 00:36:44,093 um, life, because a farmer, 777 00:36:44,118 --> 00:36:46,806 it's not sustainable if farmers are all hanging themselves 778 00:36:46,806 --> 00:36:48,747 left, right and center, or, 779 00:36:48,747 --> 00:36:52,517 or sort of letting your farm go to wrack and ruin because 780 00:36:53,637 --> 00:36:56,537 they just have lost the plot and don't care anymore. 781 00:36:56,537 --> 00:36:57,947 And that's happening. 782 00:36:57,947 --> 00:36:59,830 It's a reality I know is happening 783 00:36:59,830 --> 00:37:03,240 and that's gotta be a crucial part of sustainability. 784 00:37:05,007 --> 00:37:06,277 And that's why I feel 785 00:37:06,277 --> 00:37:09,267 if dairying's getting too much for people, 786 00:37:09,267 --> 00:37:13,785 then perhaps dairying's not the game you should be in. 787 00:37:22,477 --> 00:37:24,897 - Another farmer was willing to talk about his experience 788 00:37:24,897 --> 00:37:28,347 with the bacterial disease, mycoplasma bovis. 789 00:37:28,347 --> 00:37:30,007 The Ministry for Primary Industries 790 00:37:30,007 --> 00:37:33,080 is attempting to eradicate it, at any cost. 791 00:37:34,057 --> 00:37:37,107 - If MPI finds one of your animals 792 00:37:38,006 --> 00:37:40,077 with the disease of mycoplasma bovis, 793 00:37:40,077 --> 00:37:42,457 they kill everything, everything. 794 00:37:42,457 --> 00:37:44,857 I've had 34 years in this industry 795 00:37:44,857 --> 00:37:48,777 and I go during middle of the night to check on my cows 796 00:37:48,777 --> 00:37:51,517 to make sure that the birth process is going all right, 797 00:37:51,517 --> 00:37:52,947 and if there's a calf that's not well 798 00:37:52,947 --> 00:37:55,486 you get it inside and nurture it. 799 00:37:55,486 --> 00:37:57,747 And then all of a sudden 800 00:37:57,747 --> 00:37:59,797 you're being told you have to kill these calves. 801 00:37:59,797 --> 00:38:06,466 And, oh that, I think that particularly afterwards 802 00:38:06,507 --> 00:38:08,450 it was very traumatizing. 803 00:38:09,610 --> 00:38:11,650 And I'm still not over it, actually. 804 00:38:12,807 --> 00:38:14,947 So how many days did this take? 805 00:38:14,947 --> 00:38:16,477 You killing the calves? 806 00:38:16,477 --> 00:38:18,450 Probably 80, 90 days. 807 00:38:19,234 --> 00:38:20,462 How many calves do you 808 00:38:20,487 --> 00:38:21,797 think you were killing per day? 809 00:38:21,797 --> 00:38:24,940 - Some days might be one and some days might be six, seven. 810 00:38:26,657 --> 00:38:28,287 We had another farm as well 811 00:38:28,287 --> 00:38:31,397 affected with mycoplasma bovis and the farm manager there, 812 00:38:31,397 --> 00:38:33,284 he had to kill the calves on the farm there 813 00:38:33,284 --> 00:38:35,610 and he was calving more cows than I was. 814 00:38:37,127 --> 00:38:38,913 Couldn't hack it anymore in the end 815 00:38:38,913 --> 00:38:41,060 and he tried to commit suicide. 816 00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:44,573 And, my son... 817 00:38:46,347 --> 00:38:49,206 My son found him and got him out 818 00:38:49,206 --> 00:38:51,230 and now he's left New Zealand. 819 00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:53,797 He's gone. Twenty-three-year-old. 820 00:38:53,797 --> 00:38:56,949 Fucked his life. For this. 821 00:39:08,657 --> 00:39:09,757 - Email from Fonterra. 822 00:39:10,863 --> 00:39:11,977 "Morning, Chris, 823 00:39:11,977 --> 00:39:15,297 thanks for the opportunity, again, to be part of your video. 824 00:39:15,297 --> 00:39:16,807 We currently have other opportunities 825 00:39:16,807 --> 00:39:18,497 for our sustainability program 826 00:39:18,497 --> 00:39:20,967 and have decided that we won't be participating 827 00:39:20,967 --> 00:39:22,294 in your documentary." 828 00:39:23,917 --> 00:39:26,817 Surely if sustainability is important for Fonterra, 829 00:39:26,817 --> 00:39:28,327 then they can make time 830 00:39:28,327 --> 00:39:30,877 for a short interview with us about sustainability? 831 00:39:34,587 --> 00:39:37,307 I decided to give up trying to get answers from them. 832 00:39:37,307 --> 00:39:38,927 Since they'd refused to talk, 833 00:39:38,927 --> 00:39:40,752 I'd have to keep finding people who would. 834 00:39:40,777 --> 00:39:42,496 There seemed to be 835 00:39:42,496 --> 00:39:44,937 a lot in the media about regenerative agriculture 836 00:39:44,937 --> 00:39:47,987 being the climate change solution everyone's hoping for, 837 00:39:47,987 --> 00:39:50,860 and how healthy soil can actually store carbon. 838 00:39:52,227 --> 00:39:54,167 - Carbon sequestration in the soil 839 00:39:54,167 --> 00:39:58,967 is a really valuable, easy, cheap, you know, 840 00:39:58,967 --> 00:40:01,657 immediate tool that we can start employing 841 00:40:01,657 --> 00:40:03,777 in greenhouse gas emissions. 842 00:40:03,777 --> 00:40:07,077 Farmers are not only on the front lines of change, 843 00:40:07,077 --> 00:40:09,407 but they also represent our best opportunity 844 00:40:09,432 --> 00:40:11,712 to combat things like climate change. 845 00:40:12,071 --> 00:40:13,427 They're the heroes of the story. 846 00:40:13,427 --> 00:40:15,197 - That sounded impressive. 847 00:40:15,197 --> 00:40:16,837 But then I found a major 848 00:40:16,837 --> 00:40:19,227 international report that disagrees. 849 00:40:19,227 --> 00:40:22,827 It shows that any carbon sequestration from grazing cows 850 00:40:22,827 --> 00:40:25,217 is substantially outweighed 851 00:40:25,217 --> 00:40:28,307 by the greenhouse gas emissions they generate. 852 00:40:28,307 --> 00:40:30,017 It turns out that selling that idea 853 00:40:30,017 --> 00:40:33,540 as a climate change solution is just serving up false hope. 854 00:40:36,387 --> 00:40:38,537 - There are too many cows on this planet 855 00:40:38,537 --> 00:40:41,397 and we can't keep farming them, 856 00:40:41,397 --> 00:40:43,747 even if every single one of them is farmed regeneratively. 857 00:40:43,747 --> 00:40:45,014 We cannot be having these land uses 858 00:40:45,014 --> 00:40:47,477 which are all about producing milk, 859 00:40:47,477 --> 00:40:49,167 or all about producing meat. 860 00:40:49,167 --> 00:40:51,787 We have to diversify into plant-based production. 861 00:40:51,787 --> 00:40:53,687 That's what the science is telling us. 862 00:40:54,977 --> 00:40:56,777 - Even plant-based foods transported 863 00:40:56,777 --> 00:40:58,377 from the other side of the world 864 00:40:58,377 --> 00:41:01,040 are more carbon efficient than animal products. 865 00:41:01,877 --> 00:41:04,577 And I was surprised to see that one kilogram of cheese 866 00:41:04,577 --> 00:41:08,287 creates a staggering 21 kilos of emissions, 867 00:41:08,287 --> 00:41:10,657 compared with about one kilo of emissions 868 00:41:10,657 --> 00:41:13,040 from most vegetables and other plant foods. 869 00:41:14,926 --> 00:41:17,297 I also discovered there's a secret ingredient 870 00:41:17,297 --> 00:41:20,177 the industry uses that boosts milk production, 871 00:41:20,177 --> 00:41:23,410 causing even more devastation. 872 00:41:24,657 --> 00:41:28,934 - Fonterra is selling New Zealand's milk as grass fed, 873 00:41:29,597 --> 00:41:32,617 seeming to forget that we're actually importing 874 00:41:32,617 --> 00:41:34,997 two and a half million tonnes of palm kernel 875 00:41:34,997 --> 00:41:37,000 to feed those cows. 876 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,917 Fonterra's key supplier of PKE 877 00:41:39,917 --> 00:41:41,994 is linked to ongoing deforestation 878 00:41:42,018 --> 00:41:43,687 of tropical rainforest 879 00:41:43,687 --> 00:41:45,707 and human rights abuses. 880 00:41:45,707 --> 00:41:47,907 It's massively destroying habitat 881 00:41:47,907 --> 00:41:50,904 for endangered species like the orangutan 882 00:41:52,009 --> 00:41:53,937 We are farming so many cows in New Zealand 883 00:41:53,937 --> 00:41:55,457 that we completely surpassed 884 00:41:55,457 --> 00:41:57,727 any kind of environmental limits here. 885 00:41:57,727 --> 00:41:59,937 We're actually cutting down forest in Indonesia 886 00:41:59,937 --> 00:42:02,037 to feed a bloated dairy herd 887 00:42:02,037 --> 00:42:04,617 that is trashing our environment here, 888 00:42:04,617 --> 00:42:09,297 but also indebting dairy farmers who are holding around, 889 00:42:09,297 --> 00:42:12,537 collectively, $38 billion worth of debt. 890 00:42:12,537 --> 00:42:14,849 This industry is not working for anyone. 891 00:42:16,721 --> 00:42:17,820 It didn't make sense 892 00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:20,377 how farmers could be in so much debt. 893 00:42:20,377 --> 00:42:22,107 Why had this happened? 894 00:42:22,107 --> 00:42:24,480 And was Fonterra also in financial trouble? 895 00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:27,197 - In the last 20 years, 896 00:42:27,197 --> 00:42:31,867 farmers have borrowed over 30 billion extra. 897 00:42:31,867 --> 00:42:34,057 Dairy debt has gone up from, 898 00:42:34,057 --> 00:42:37,207 in 2000 it was about 10 billion. 899 00:42:37,207 --> 00:42:38,927 It's now 40 billion. 900 00:42:40,307 --> 00:42:45,027 That's a 400% increase in debt. 901 00:42:45,027 --> 00:42:47,577 - We now have so many people in New Zealand 902 00:42:47,577 --> 00:42:51,587 struggling under so much debt, irresponsible debt, 903 00:42:51,587 --> 00:42:52,977 that was given out just because 904 00:42:52,977 --> 00:42:55,337 the dairy industry has so much clout, 905 00:42:55,337 --> 00:42:56,967 and they're now in a financial position 906 00:42:56,967 --> 00:42:58,667 that they don't know where to go, 907 00:42:58,667 --> 00:43:01,667 because how do you get out from millions of dollars of debt? 908 00:43:02,937 --> 00:43:04,907 - Definitely, that was a direction 909 00:43:04,907 --> 00:43:07,527 Fonterra went in a few years ago 910 00:43:07,527 --> 00:43:09,447 when they were pushing for volume 911 00:43:09,472 --> 00:43:15,326 that wasn't to everyone's agreement, definitely. 912 00:43:15,367 --> 00:43:19,240 And looking back it's like, "Wow, we were duped." 913 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:22,197 "How did they pull that one over our bloody eyes," you know? 914 00:43:23,947 --> 00:43:27,667 - We know that it's not economically problematic 915 00:43:27,667 --> 00:43:30,587 for dairy farmers to reduce stocking rates, 916 00:43:30,587 --> 00:43:34,097 but for Fonterra the opposite is true. 917 00:43:34,097 --> 00:43:38,857 They have built a lot of milk dehydrators around the country 918 00:43:38,857 --> 00:43:43,437 that require a large volume of milk. 919 00:43:43,437 --> 00:43:47,567 So what works financially for the fancy Fonterra HQ 920 00:43:47,567 --> 00:43:49,547 in Fanshawe Street, Auckland, 921 00:43:49,547 --> 00:43:52,642 does not necessarily work for New Zealand's dairy farmers. 922 00:43:53,746 --> 00:43:55,139 - When I was working for government, 923 00:43:55,164 --> 00:43:59,322 I got an incredibly detailed insight into Fonterra, 924 00:43:59,347 --> 00:44:01,947 deep down into the bowels of the company. 925 00:44:01,947 --> 00:44:05,257 The Fonterra dream is over. It's long since gone. 926 00:44:05,257 --> 00:44:09,367 The conversation for today is, will Fonterra even survive? 927 00:44:09,367 --> 00:44:11,517 'Cause its numbers are that bad. 928 00:44:11,517 --> 00:44:14,117 If some really smart person in a white coat 929 00:44:14,117 --> 00:44:17,887 comes up with a dairy alternative, 930 00:44:17,887 --> 00:44:19,497 but is a quarter of the cost 931 00:44:19,497 --> 00:44:21,527 and doesn't have the environmental impact, 932 00:44:21,527 --> 00:44:24,190 then I'm sorry dairy, you're toast. 933 00:44:26,663 --> 00:44:27,820 I couldn't believe 934 00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:30,312 that our dairy industry could be that fragile. 935 00:44:30,337 --> 00:44:31,458 Isn't it meant to be 936 00:44:31,458 --> 00:44:33,140 the backbone of our economy? 937 00:44:34,087 --> 00:44:36,927 Could a cheaper and more sustainable dairy alternative 938 00:44:36,927 --> 00:44:38,980 really wipe it out completely? 939 00:44:40,647 --> 00:44:42,697 And I had to wonder why we're still using 940 00:44:42,697 --> 00:44:44,127 so much land for dairy 941 00:44:44,127 --> 00:44:47,250 when we could get more profit from growing plants instead? 942 00:44:48,537 --> 00:44:50,687 A government funded report shows that Aotearoa 943 00:44:50,687 --> 00:44:53,967 has a huge amount of land suitable for growing crops 944 00:44:53,967 --> 00:44:57,527 and potential for $80 billion from plant-based crops 945 00:44:57,527 --> 00:45:01,529 compared with only $28 billion from animal agriculture. 946 00:45:04,257 --> 00:45:06,817 I met with the dairy spokesman for Federated Farmers 947 00:45:06,817 --> 00:45:09,217 to find out what he thought about transitioning. 948 00:45:10,276 --> 00:45:11,623 Do you think there are some dairy farmers 949 00:45:11,648 --> 00:45:13,742 that will stick with dairy no matter what? 950 00:45:13,767 --> 00:45:14,887 - We all just wanna make a dollar. 951 00:45:14,887 --> 00:45:18,287 And if it's a better returns growing some alternative foods, 952 00:45:18,287 --> 00:45:19,350 show us some money. 953 00:45:20,626 --> 00:45:21,987 I think some farmers would be quite happy 954 00:45:21,987 --> 00:45:23,617 to hang up the apron and grow crops 955 00:45:23,617 --> 00:45:25,595 if that was a better return on investment. 956 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,137 I don't mind changing. 957 00:45:28,137 --> 00:45:31,137 If I can provide a better future for my family, I'll change. 958 00:45:32,017 --> 00:45:34,897 I'll stop milking those cows and I'll jump ship. 959 00:45:34,897 --> 00:45:36,460 It's that simple really, innit? 960 00:45:39,017 --> 00:45:40,437 But it might already be too late 961 00:45:40,437 --> 00:45:42,890 for some farmers to take up new opportunities. 962 00:45:44,857 --> 00:45:47,467 One research project looked into using dairy land 963 00:45:47,467 --> 00:45:51,437 to make oat milk, which uses 13 times less water, 964 00:45:51,437 --> 00:45:53,317 11 times less land, 965 00:45:53,317 --> 00:45:55,344 and creates 3.5 times less 966 00:45:55,368 --> 00:45:57,430 carbon emissions than cow's milk. 967 00:45:58,789 --> 00:46:01,517 - It was way more protein per hectare, 968 00:46:01,517 --> 00:46:03,257 way more energy efficient. 969 00:46:03,257 --> 00:46:05,262 Everything that you could measure 970 00:46:05,287 --> 00:46:08,927 was so much more efficient without the cows. 971 00:46:08,927 --> 00:46:11,365 It was a fantastic example of where 972 00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:14,147 you would be much better off not having the animals there 973 00:46:14,147 --> 00:46:16,208 and you could make this really good product. 974 00:46:17,107 --> 00:46:19,817 The thing that you need to make plant-based milk of course, 975 00:46:19,817 --> 00:46:21,063 is nice clean water. 976 00:46:21,088 --> 00:46:22,217 And when they started looking 977 00:46:22,217 --> 00:46:24,387 at the groundwater in the vicinity, 978 00:46:24,387 --> 00:46:26,497 in some of those bores, 979 00:46:26,497 --> 00:46:29,267 there was five or six times the World Health Organization 980 00:46:29,267 --> 00:46:30,931 limit for nitrate in that water. 981 00:46:30,956 --> 00:46:32,353 So you just wouldn't be able to make 982 00:46:32,378 --> 00:46:34,822 the milk out of it. It's just a classic example of 983 00:46:34,847 --> 00:46:37,227 here's a good option of how we could do it better, 984 00:46:37,227 --> 00:46:39,407 but we've already shut the gate on that option 985 00:46:39,407 --> 00:46:41,157 because we've already polluted the water 986 00:46:41,182 --> 00:46:43,155 past limits where you could use it. 987 00:46:44,249 --> 00:46:45,249 - So we have current 988 00:46:45,249 --> 00:46:48,671 farming models that are potentially harming our future? 989 00:46:48,696 --> 00:46:49,707 Yep. 990 00:46:49,707 --> 00:46:52,287 When you pollute the water and you pollute the soil, 991 00:46:52,287 --> 00:46:55,000 it really limits your options for the future. 992 00:46:56,247 --> 00:46:57,917 So if the true costs were being paid, 993 00:46:57,917 --> 00:47:00,317 then we wouldn't be doing dairy in this country. 994 00:47:03,077 --> 00:47:04,287 An example of this cost 995 00:47:04,287 --> 00:47:08,967 is Aotearoa taxpayers giving dairy farmers $130 million 996 00:47:08,967 --> 00:47:11,867 not to farm in the Taupō and Rotorua Lake areas 997 00:47:11,867 --> 00:47:14,620 to reduce the water contamination from nitrates. 998 00:47:15,457 --> 00:47:18,847 If we paid all our dairy farmers to stop polluting water, 999 00:47:18,847 --> 00:47:21,701 that would cost over $20 billion. 1000 00:47:22,487 --> 00:47:25,017 - As a businessperson, and you had to pay that, 1001 00:47:25,017 --> 00:47:26,783 you would go, "Right, we stop doing it, you know, 1002 00:47:26,808 --> 00:47:27,887 because there's no money in this, 1003 00:47:27,887 --> 00:47:29,527 it's gonna cost us to do it." 1004 00:47:29,527 --> 00:47:30,777 It's only because the cost 1005 00:47:30,777 --> 00:47:33,050 is being passed on to the rest of us. 1006 00:47:33,997 --> 00:47:35,997 - This is an industry making profits 1007 00:47:35,997 --> 00:47:37,557 off of the destruction of our environment, 1008 00:47:37,557 --> 00:47:39,637 and it is us, everyday New Zealanders, 1009 00:47:39,637 --> 00:47:41,764 who are going to, and are already, 1010 00:47:41,764 --> 00:47:43,747 paying the price for that. 1011 00:47:43,747 --> 00:47:46,007 And there are very powerful companies 1012 00:47:46,007 --> 00:47:47,477 that want to keep it that way, 1013 00:47:47,477 --> 00:47:49,897 despite the costs to New Zealand. 1014 00:47:52,107 --> 00:47:54,087 I did some more investigating and found out 1015 00:47:54,087 --> 00:47:56,147 even the country's nutrition guidelines 1016 00:47:56,147 --> 00:47:58,010 are influenced by the dairy industry. 1017 00:47:58,987 --> 00:48:01,237 Consultation with key stakeholders 1018 00:48:01,237 --> 00:48:03,777 meant that Fonterra had a say, 1019 00:48:03,777 --> 00:48:07,417 and three out of the four issues they raised were changed, 1020 00:48:07,417 --> 00:48:11,697 including the removal of milk alternatives. 1021 00:48:11,697 --> 00:48:14,327 I'd heard some strong reactions to dairy alternatives 1022 00:48:14,327 --> 00:48:17,467 from industry representatives and politicians also, 1023 00:48:17,467 --> 00:48:20,397 trying to stop any possible threat. 1024 00:48:20,397 --> 00:48:25,277 This notion that veganism and almond powder 1025 00:48:25,277 --> 00:48:27,497 or something akin to that is gonna replace 1026 00:48:27,497 --> 00:48:30,587 genuine red meat, genuine dairy milk, 1027 00:48:30,587 --> 00:48:32,427 it needs to be stopped in its tracks. 1028 00:48:32,427 --> 00:48:33,707 We should not tolerate. 1029 00:48:33,707 --> 00:48:37,107 We should not acquiesce for one inch 1030 00:48:37,107 --> 00:48:39,020 of the political journey with these people 1031 00:48:39,045 --> 00:48:40,047 who are continuing to 1032 00:48:40,047 --> 00:48:42,920 stigmatize and demonize our legacy industry. 1033 00:48:43,154 --> 00:48:45,227 - If it's not a milk, if it's a nut juice or something else, 1034 00:48:45,227 --> 00:48:48,237 just call it for what it is and create your own brand 1035 00:48:48,237 --> 00:48:49,625 and create your own marketing strategy 1036 00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:50,687 and leverage off that. 1037 00:48:50,687 --> 00:48:52,375 Don't leverage off the dairy industry. 1038 00:48:53,797 --> 00:48:55,457 Then, a well-respected magazine 1039 00:48:55,457 --> 00:48:57,540 came out with this on the cover. 1040 00:48:58,967 --> 00:49:00,467 After reading about all the so-called 1041 00:49:00,467 --> 00:49:01,967 benefits of meat and dairy, 1042 00:49:01,967 --> 00:49:04,387 I looked online and found that the featured scientists 1043 00:49:04,387 --> 00:49:06,807 were from the Riddet Institute, 1044 00:49:06,807 --> 00:49:09,447 which has close ties with meat and dairy companies, 1045 00:49:09,447 --> 00:49:10,850 including Fonterra. 1046 00:49:13,570 --> 00:49:16,327 What's it gonna take to change these organizations? 1047 00:49:16,327 --> 00:49:19,487 - Probably one thing is not to be funded by dairy. 1048 00:49:19,487 --> 00:49:22,177 A lot of people who put out studies, 1049 00:49:22,177 --> 00:49:26,387 and it's been shown very well, get funded by dairy sources, 1050 00:49:26,387 --> 00:49:29,677 whether it's overtly or whether you have to dig around. 1051 00:49:29,677 --> 00:49:32,477 - So a huge amount of money that comes into universities 1052 00:49:32,477 --> 00:49:34,437 is from the industry. 1053 00:49:34,437 --> 00:49:38,207 And so you start speaking out against that industry 1054 00:49:38,207 --> 00:49:42,297 and your options start to close down really, really quickly. 1055 00:49:42,297 --> 00:49:44,565 Who do you believe in an argument, 1056 00:49:44,589 --> 00:49:45,975 is you follow the money. 1057 00:49:47,957 --> 00:49:50,147 - Especially in New Zealand, the farming industry, you know, 1058 00:49:50,147 --> 00:49:51,864 you're seen to be almost unpatriotic 1059 00:49:51,889 --> 00:49:52,987 if you're not supporting it by 1060 00:49:53,012 --> 00:49:56,037 having lots of dairy, having lots of meat. 1061 00:49:56,037 --> 00:50:01,037 - You've got an industry that has been incredibly powerful 1062 00:50:01,117 --> 00:50:02,790 for an incredibly long time. 1063 00:50:03,857 --> 00:50:05,450 And it's deeply entrenched. 1064 00:50:06,417 --> 00:50:08,567 Now, once you realize in New Zealand, 1065 00:50:08,567 --> 00:50:10,667 that five million cows 1066 00:50:10,667 --> 00:50:13,587 are a lot more important than five million people, 1067 00:50:13,587 --> 00:50:16,287 then everything else in New Zealand politics 1068 00:50:16,287 --> 00:50:18,577 suddenly makes a lot of sense, 1069 00:50:18,577 --> 00:50:21,887 because the cows are more important than we are. 1070 00:50:21,887 --> 00:50:26,117 - Some people who are really heavily invested in status quo 1071 00:50:26,117 --> 00:50:27,727 and you are threatening their income, 1072 00:50:27,727 --> 00:50:32,447 and so they will be very angry if somebody's speaking up 1073 00:50:32,447 --> 00:50:35,247 and pointing out harm that you're doing, 1074 00:50:35,247 --> 00:50:37,497 you try to shoot them down. 1075 00:50:38,592 --> 00:50:40,982 An animal rights group found this out first hand 1076 00:50:41,007 --> 00:50:43,657 when they took out an ad in an international newspaper, 1077 00:50:43,657 --> 00:50:46,817 highlighting cruelty on New Zealand dairy farms. 1078 00:50:46,817 --> 00:50:49,007 - When we placed an ad in "The Guardian," 1079 00:50:49,007 --> 00:50:50,337 we got a lot of abuse. 1080 00:50:50,337 --> 00:50:52,407 We got a lot of threats, a lot of death threats. 1081 00:50:52,407 --> 00:50:54,137 I've had death threats right throughout my 1082 00:50:54,137 --> 00:50:57,267 30 years working for animals, but this was bad. 1083 00:50:57,267 --> 00:50:59,184 This was seriously bad. 1084 00:51:01,477 --> 00:51:04,127 This industry's power scared me. 1085 00:51:04,127 --> 00:51:06,077 And I wasn't alone. 1086 00:51:06,077 --> 00:51:08,237 Many people I talked with had been too frightened 1087 00:51:08,237 --> 00:51:09,680 to even speak on camera. 1088 00:51:11,467 --> 00:51:13,657 I'd already been warned about the backlash against me 1089 00:51:13,657 --> 00:51:16,947 after making a film that exposes these issues. 1090 00:51:16,947 --> 00:51:18,307 - Death threats happen. 1091 00:51:18,307 --> 00:51:22,237 People will make serious threats and allegations against you 1092 00:51:22,237 --> 00:51:25,187 because they're seeing their livelihood being threatened. 1093 00:51:25,187 --> 00:51:27,827 And so, they see you as a threat. 1094 00:51:27,827 --> 00:51:29,887 I want you all to be aware, like, 1095 00:51:29,887 --> 00:51:31,007 this is a reality of this. 1096 00:51:31,007 --> 00:51:34,307 Like, you guys are going up against the biggest company 1097 00:51:34,307 --> 00:51:37,517 and then the biggest industry in the entire country. 1098 00:51:37,517 --> 00:51:41,607 That being said, it absolutely needs to be done. 1099 00:51:41,607 --> 00:51:43,937 The fear of reprisal can't outweigh 1100 00:51:43,937 --> 00:51:45,297 the fear of not acting, right? 1101 00:51:45,297 --> 00:51:48,487 Like, not speaking up, not showing this truth, 1102 00:51:48,487 --> 00:51:49,850 is the real danger. 1103 00:51:51,597 --> 00:51:53,107 They're destroying the planet. 1104 00:51:53,107 --> 00:51:56,557 They're killing these animals and people are dying, 1105 00:51:56,557 --> 00:51:58,387 and people are literally dying because of this, 1106 00:51:58,387 --> 00:52:00,701 and it's all for the sake of making money. 1107 00:52:03,447 --> 00:52:04,587 I never considered that 1108 00:52:04,587 --> 00:52:07,767 my life could be threatened by exposing this industry. 1109 00:52:07,767 --> 00:52:09,467 But I realized that revealing the truth 1110 00:52:09,467 --> 00:52:11,417 could also have a powerful impact 1111 00:52:11,417 --> 00:52:14,000 and help create the change I want so badly to see. 1112 00:52:15,237 --> 00:52:17,767 I decided that I had to continue with the film 1113 00:52:17,767 --> 00:52:20,017 no matter what the outcome. 1114 00:52:27,187 --> 00:52:29,457 The industry claim that dairy is essential for us 1115 00:52:29,457 --> 00:52:31,657 was starting to sound a bit desperate to me, 1116 00:52:32,847 --> 00:52:34,297 along with their recent strategy 1117 00:52:34,297 --> 00:52:36,417 of targeting the Asian market. 1118 00:52:36,417 --> 00:52:37,557 With population growth 1119 00:52:37,557 --> 00:52:39,447 and rising incomes in these countries, 1120 00:52:39,447 --> 00:52:42,147 it's an obvious business choice. 1121 00:52:42,147 --> 00:52:45,760 - People all around the world are actively seeking products 1122 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,297 that they know they can trust to feed their families. 1123 00:52:49,297 --> 00:52:52,027 And today our world-class dairy products are available 1124 00:52:52,027 --> 00:52:54,570 in over 140 countries around the world. 1125 00:52:56,027 --> 00:52:59,033 We're dedicated to sharing this goodness with the world. 1126 00:53:02,707 --> 00:53:04,417 - People are being told that they need 1127 00:53:04,417 --> 00:53:06,447 lots and lots of dairy. 1128 00:53:06,447 --> 00:53:08,987 There are a lot of populations around the world 1129 00:53:08,987 --> 00:53:11,827 where dairy wasn't a part of their cultural diet. 1130 00:53:11,827 --> 00:53:13,197 - If you look at Asia, 1131 00:53:13,197 --> 00:53:15,637 which is actually where we're trying to market this stuff, 1132 00:53:15,637 --> 00:53:17,447 which is just bizarre because 1133 00:53:17,447 --> 00:53:20,477 lactose intolerance rates of almost 100% 1134 00:53:20,477 --> 00:53:21,507 in many parts of Asia. 1135 00:53:21,507 --> 00:53:23,967 So we're not doing them any favors. 1136 00:53:23,967 --> 00:53:26,887 - So exporting dairy to Southeast Asia, 1137 00:53:26,887 --> 00:53:29,347 it's a business decision, but at the same time, 1138 00:53:29,347 --> 00:53:33,437 you're exporting your diseases offshore in return for money. 1139 00:53:33,437 --> 00:53:34,697 - You can already see this happening, 1140 00:53:34,697 --> 00:53:36,554 like diabetes rates in India and China 1141 00:53:36,579 --> 00:53:37,687 have just gone through the roof 1142 00:53:37,687 --> 00:53:40,017 as they start adopting a more Western type of diet, 1143 00:53:40,017 --> 00:53:41,737 and dairy is a big part of that. 1144 00:53:41,737 --> 00:53:43,257 - Everywhere in the world that this 1145 00:53:43,257 --> 00:53:44,807 European diet is forced on people, 1146 00:53:44,807 --> 00:53:47,157 people go from the healthiest to then the sickest. 1147 00:53:47,157 --> 00:53:48,816 It's easy to push these white lies 1148 00:53:48,841 --> 00:53:50,177 and that's all this industry is doing. 1149 00:53:50,177 --> 00:53:54,497 It's like, they're pushing just outright racist lies. 1150 00:53:54,497 --> 00:53:56,177 - We're excited and we're proud 1151 00:53:56,177 --> 00:53:58,327 to be able to make this connection 1152 00:53:58,327 --> 00:54:02,027 between the way we at Fonterra create world-class milk 1153 00:54:02,027 --> 00:54:04,027 and the products our dairy shows up in 1154 00:54:04,027 --> 00:54:06,210 to nourish people around the world. 1155 00:54:07,507 --> 00:54:10,217 - It's quite a difficult situation for New Zealand 1156 00:54:10,217 --> 00:54:12,847 to turn that sort of spotlight on itself or whatever, 1157 00:54:12,847 --> 00:54:15,717 and say, "Actually, maybe what we are producing here 1158 00:54:15,717 --> 00:54:18,117 isn't actually very healthy for people. 1159 00:54:18,117 --> 00:54:20,667 And maybe we are not doing the right thing by producing this 1160 00:54:20,667 --> 00:54:22,834 and marketing it to the rest of the world." 1161 00:54:22,834 --> 00:54:24,107 - How far do you go 1162 00:54:24,107 --> 00:54:27,497 with justifying what you do because there's a profit in it? 1163 00:54:27,497 --> 00:54:30,987 I hear that classic "we're feeding the world" story. 1164 00:54:30,987 --> 00:54:32,697 I think the reality is much more 1165 00:54:32,697 --> 00:54:36,217 that people would be better off if we didn't provide it. 1166 00:54:36,217 --> 00:54:37,917 Just because there's a market for something 1167 00:54:37,917 --> 00:54:39,230 doesn't make it right. 1168 00:54:40,263 --> 00:54:41,587 To go towards meeting this 1169 00:54:41,587 --> 00:54:43,347 increased global demand for dairy, 1170 00:54:43,347 --> 00:54:47,167 Fonterra had predicted a 40% increase in milk production 1171 00:54:47,167 --> 00:54:50,987 in the 10 year years from 2015 to 2025. 1172 00:54:50,987 --> 00:54:52,777 With the environment already struggling, 1173 00:54:52,777 --> 00:54:55,400 how could this increase possibly be sustainable? 1174 00:54:56,357 --> 00:54:58,037 And what about the cows? 1175 00:54:58,037 --> 00:54:59,437 From what I'd seen they were already 1176 00:54:59,437 --> 00:55:01,317 being pushed to their limits 1177 00:55:01,317 --> 00:55:03,667 having been selectively bred to produce more than 1178 00:55:03,667 --> 00:55:07,037 double the amount of milk they would naturally produce. 1179 00:55:07,037 --> 00:55:10,217 Dairy cows are usually worn out after about five years, 1180 00:55:10,217 --> 00:55:12,297 then sent to the slaughter house to be killed 1181 00:55:12,322 --> 00:55:14,339 and turned into hamburger mince. 1182 00:55:15,847 --> 00:55:18,107 I was curious to see what the people who produce 1183 00:55:18,107 --> 00:55:21,730 ethical dairy products think of this not-so-happy ending. 1184 00:55:23,187 --> 00:55:24,927 Your brand is kind of centered around 1185 00:55:24,927 --> 00:55:26,807 this compassion for these animals. 1186 00:55:26,807 --> 00:55:28,440 - Yeah. - Happy cows. 1187 00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:31,317 This seems to be a bit of a obstacle for you 1188 00:55:31,317 --> 00:55:34,577 if these cows are gonna be eventually sent to slaughter. 1189 00:55:34,577 --> 00:55:36,267 - Mm. - How do you deal with that? 1190 00:55:36,267 --> 00:55:38,577 How do you communicate that with the consumer? 1191 00:55:38,577 --> 00:55:40,177 - Yeah. Well, I mean, that's true. 1192 00:55:40,177 --> 00:55:42,257 And it's animal agriculture. 1193 00:55:42,257 --> 00:55:44,967 We should try and extend their life as much as possible 1194 00:55:44,967 --> 00:55:49,000 without profit always being the core driver, I suppose. 1195 00:55:49,837 --> 00:55:52,560 But then again, she will, she will die. 1196 00:55:54,377 --> 00:55:56,627 Mmm. That's what we say. 1197 00:56:04,137 --> 00:56:05,427 Like many New Zealanders, 1198 00:56:05,427 --> 00:56:07,737 I'd watched the undercover footage of the dairy industry 1199 00:56:07,737 --> 00:56:10,387 from Farmwatch, a volunteer organization 1200 00:56:10,387 --> 00:56:13,407 showing what goes on away from the public eye. 1201 00:56:13,407 --> 00:56:14,947 I join them to see for myself 1202 00:56:14,947 --> 00:56:17,280 what happens to the animals in dairy country. 1203 00:56:19,937 --> 00:56:21,837 - You never know what you're gonna see, or when, 1204 00:56:21,837 --> 00:56:24,150 so you just gotta do the time on the road. 1205 00:56:26,327 --> 00:56:29,077 Most people drive past paddocks just like this 1206 00:56:29,077 --> 00:56:30,757 and they just see cows eating grass, 1207 00:56:30,757 --> 00:56:32,857 and they think that that's all there is to it. 1208 00:56:32,857 --> 00:56:34,917 But when you think about the fact 1209 00:56:34,917 --> 00:56:36,427 that they're artificially inseminated, 1210 00:56:36,427 --> 00:56:38,434 the fact that they are then pregnant 1211 00:56:38,434 --> 00:56:40,127 and being milked for nine months, 1212 00:56:40,127 --> 00:56:41,207 and then they have a baby 1213 00:56:41,207 --> 00:56:44,007 that's taken away from them every year, 1214 00:56:44,007 --> 00:56:46,783 I think a lot of people don't know that that happens. 1215 00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:52,547 Do you get any negative backlash 1216 00:56:52,547 --> 00:56:54,367 from the public or from farmers? 1217 00:56:54,392 --> 00:56:55,487 - We're pretty careful. 1218 00:56:55,487 --> 00:56:58,067 Like if we get down a road and we feel unsafe 1219 00:56:58,067 --> 00:57:00,547 and we see, kind of, any movement, we'll just leave. 1220 00:57:00,547 --> 00:57:03,407 We've had too many close calls to take risks like that. 1221 00:57:03,407 --> 00:57:05,907 We don't like feeling trapped down dead-end roads. 1222 00:57:06,989 --> 00:57:08,797 Are you able just to pull over for a minute, 1223 00:57:08,797 --> 00:57:10,355 just... thank you. 1224 00:57:14,327 --> 00:57:15,910 - Any cows that are gonna go to slaughter 1225 00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:18,577 will be placed in that crate, picked up by a truck, 1226 00:57:18,577 --> 00:57:20,340 and then taken to the slaughter house. 1227 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,275 - Car in front. 1228 00:57:25,275 --> 00:57:27,264 Someone behind us, too. 1229 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,747 - Just on the road. 1230 00:57:34,297 --> 00:57:36,607 Since you started in 2014, 1231 00:57:36,607 --> 00:57:39,288 have things become harder to document? 1232 00:57:39,335 --> 00:57:40,610 You drive through today 1233 00:57:40,610 --> 00:57:41,627 and you see almost nothing. 1234 00:57:41,627 --> 00:57:43,327 It's all hidden, now, it's all off the road. 1235 00:57:43,327 --> 00:57:45,047 So it's definitely harder. 1236 00:57:45,047 --> 00:57:46,427 Once you've exposed an industry, 1237 00:57:46,427 --> 00:57:48,563 they definitely will try and hide it. 1238 00:58:13,181 --> 00:58:14,219 - Are youse all right? 1239 00:58:14,259 --> 00:58:15,391 Yeah. We're all good. 1240 00:58:15,416 --> 00:58:16,467 - Can you please leave. 1241 00:58:16,492 --> 00:58:17,575 - OK. - Now. 1242 00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:22,480 - Don't come back. 1243 00:58:32,547 --> 00:58:34,507 There's a big cow straight ahead of us 1244 00:58:34,507 --> 00:58:36,477 - Big cow? - Oh, fuck me! 1245 00:58:36,477 --> 00:58:38,256 Oh, fuck! 1246 00:59:01,247 --> 00:59:04,157 This particular cow has a calf half out of her, 1247 00:59:04,157 --> 00:59:06,220 so she's clearly died giving birth. 1248 00:59:07,807 --> 00:59:11,346 And then just been thrown on this pile of dead bodies. 1249 00:59:24,747 --> 00:59:27,270 So, I'm pretty sure on the left it's calf skins. 1250 00:59:28,637 --> 00:59:30,017 And... 1251 00:59:31,191 --> 00:59:33,770 Those are skinned calves. 1252 00:59:36,747 --> 00:59:38,343 There's a person there. 1253 00:59:38,343 --> 00:59:42,510 OK, we're gonna have to, he's coming towards us. 1254 00:59:49,557 --> 00:59:51,517 When we do investigations that require 1255 00:59:51,517 --> 00:59:54,100 hidden camera placements and going out at night, 1256 00:59:55,127 --> 00:59:56,727 I mean, it's utterly terrifying. 1257 00:59:57,887 --> 01:00:00,290 It's work that nobody should have to do. 1258 01:00:02,017 --> 01:00:05,717 And the more you look, the more awful shit you see, 1259 01:00:05,717 --> 01:00:10,050 and you can't really ever unsee a lot of that stuff. 1260 01:00:13,807 --> 01:00:15,857 We've seen just so much death and suffering 1261 01:00:15,857 --> 01:00:17,457 out in dairy country. 1262 01:00:17,457 --> 01:00:19,564 It always makes me laugh when I see, 1263 01:00:19,564 --> 01:00:21,687 "Fonterra for life" or "Dairy for life" 1264 01:00:21,687 --> 01:00:23,307 because this industry to me 1265 01:00:23,307 --> 01:00:25,417 is just full of death and suffering. 1266 01:00:25,417 --> 01:00:28,084 It's an industry based on death. 1267 01:00:36,717 --> 01:00:39,567 I was sickened by what I had seen. 1268 01:00:39,567 --> 01:00:41,927 My experience with Farmwatch made me realize 1269 01:00:41,927 --> 01:00:45,277 how most people have no chance to see what really happens 1270 01:00:45,277 --> 01:00:47,277 behind the industry's marketing machine. 1271 01:00:48,754 --> 01:00:49,812 - Well, initially, 1272 01:00:49,812 --> 01:00:52,867 you believe that you're going to have 1273 01:00:52,867 --> 01:00:54,867 all the fields around you, the animals, 1274 01:00:54,867 --> 01:00:56,617 you've got all these sort of visions in your head 1275 01:00:56,617 --> 01:00:58,370 of what you see on the ads. 1276 01:00:59,767 --> 01:01:03,747 But the difference between actually seeing it and doing it 1277 01:01:03,747 --> 01:01:05,977 is night and day, night and day. 1278 01:01:05,977 --> 01:01:09,907 That's when it really, truly hits you what's going on. 1279 01:01:09,932 --> 01:01:12,535 That it's not just lush fields and happy cows. 1280 01:01:14,547 --> 01:01:15,707 - We just have to make sure 1281 01:01:15,707 --> 01:01:17,487 that what we do is the right thing 1282 01:01:17,487 --> 01:01:19,997 and not be trying to hide anything. 1283 01:01:19,997 --> 01:01:24,507 - The industry is there to make money as much as possible, 1284 01:01:24,507 --> 01:01:27,037 and basically hide truth from people. 1285 01:01:27,037 --> 01:01:29,367 They do not want you to know the full picture. 1286 01:01:29,367 --> 01:01:31,137 And their job really, 1287 01:01:31,137 --> 01:01:33,690 is to sweep that dark side under the rug. 1288 01:01:34,547 --> 01:01:36,817 - It is very, very secretive. 1289 01:01:36,817 --> 01:01:39,497 If the animal experimentation industry wasn't so well hidden 1290 01:01:39,497 --> 01:01:42,837 and people could actually see the research and tests 1291 01:01:42,837 --> 01:01:46,237 that cows are used in, they'd know that it's not natural. 1292 01:01:46,237 --> 01:01:49,177 If people who go and buy their natural milk 1293 01:01:49,177 --> 01:01:51,727 from the supermarkets saw a fistulated cow 1294 01:01:51,727 --> 01:01:54,277 that looks more like a Frankenstein animal 1295 01:01:54,277 --> 01:01:55,767 than a natural cow running about in a field 1296 01:01:55,767 --> 01:01:57,767 like they probably imagine, 1297 01:01:57,767 --> 01:01:59,748 it would be pretty clear to them 1298 01:01:59,748 --> 01:02:02,837 that there's not a lot natural about the dairy industry. 1299 01:02:02,837 --> 01:02:03,987 - And it's ridiculous really 1300 01:02:03,987 --> 01:02:06,817 that we have to rely on volunteers to 1301 01:02:06,817 --> 01:02:09,537 basically show what's going on on the farms. 1302 01:02:09,537 --> 01:02:12,437 And what they show that goes on the farms is just not like 1303 01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:15,127 the Fonterra open days on the farm, of course, 1304 01:02:15,127 --> 01:02:18,047 where you can have a look and pet a little calf. 1305 01:02:18,047 --> 01:02:20,657 No, they actually shows what's going on on the farm. 1306 01:02:25,577 --> 01:02:28,377 - Farmers are just trying to get through their day 1307 01:02:28,377 --> 01:02:31,680 the best way that they can, and they're exhausted. 1308 01:02:33,087 --> 01:02:35,347 And you're also in a place where no one's watching. 1309 01:02:35,347 --> 01:02:37,740 So it's rife for abuse. 1310 01:02:39,367 --> 01:02:42,677 - Whenever activists put cameras out there, 1311 01:02:42,677 --> 01:02:44,619 they record deliberate infliction 1312 01:02:44,643 --> 01:02:47,510 of suffering on animals. 1313 01:02:49,827 --> 01:02:52,257 - It's much more convenient for them 1314 01:02:52,257 --> 01:02:53,727 if they believe that the animals, 1315 01:02:53,727 --> 01:02:56,407 just because they're bred for food, they're just things, 1316 01:02:56,407 --> 01:02:58,677 and they don't have these emotions. 1317 01:02:58,677 --> 01:03:01,141 And of course, it's completely untrue. 1318 01:03:10,177 --> 01:03:12,787 - My first morning in the calf pens, 1319 01:03:12,787 --> 01:03:17,337 I stood there and there were all these tiny babies, 1320 01:03:17,337 --> 01:03:19,237 lots of them still with bloody navels, 1321 01:03:19,237 --> 01:03:21,647 some of them still had afterbirth on them 1322 01:03:21,647 --> 01:03:24,733 that were calling out for their Mums, basically. 1323 01:03:26,272 --> 01:03:30,892 And it hit me like a force field 1324 01:03:30,917 --> 01:03:34,651 that this is what it took to get that milk. 1325 01:03:44,657 --> 01:03:46,317 - They bellow, and they cry. 1326 01:03:46,317 --> 01:03:49,527 They cry for their Mums, Mums cry for their babies. 1327 01:03:49,527 --> 01:03:52,227 It became quite clear that you were listening to pain. 1328 01:03:53,067 --> 01:03:56,440 And so you can't really forget that once you know that. 1329 01:04:00,437 --> 01:04:06,886 And, it then forces you as a farmer, I think to say, 1330 01:04:06,911 --> 01:04:09,730 "All right, well, what is the greater good 1331 01:04:09,730 --> 01:04:12,084 that that pain's delivering to?" 1332 01:04:13,853 --> 01:04:14,943 I don't really wanna get into 1333 01:04:14,943 --> 01:04:17,076 the bobby calf thing if that's all right. 1334 01:04:20,097 --> 01:04:23,237 - Back in the day they used to pay one bob for them 1335 01:04:23,237 --> 01:04:25,537 because they were considered so worthless. 1336 01:04:25,537 --> 01:04:28,677 Now we have around two million a year 1337 01:04:28,677 --> 01:04:30,207 that are considered bobbies. 1338 01:04:30,207 --> 01:04:34,000 We're slaughtering two million newborns over eight weeks. 1339 01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:37,627 - If you talk to many dairy farmers, 1340 01:04:37,627 --> 01:04:39,327 they will say they will struggle 1341 01:04:39,327 --> 01:04:41,347 with this whole bobby calf issue 1342 01:04:41,347 --> 01:04:42,997 and taking these calves away from the mothers, 1343 01:04:42,997 --> 01:04:44,790 they struggle with that themselves. 1344 01:04:47,114 --> 01:04:49,364 - "So, we're really kind to our bobby calves." 1345 01:04:50,397 --> 01:04:52,017 Bullshit! 1346 01:04:52,017 --> 01:04:53,917 You know, where those calves are going? 1347 01:04:55,473 --> 01:04:57,097 - There were a lot of things that I questioned 1348 01:04:57,097 --> 01:04:58,407 when I was farming, 1349 01:04:58,407 --> 01:05:01,797 and I was just sort of told that's way it has to be. 1350 01:05:01,797 --> 01:05:04,037 It has to be this way because of production, 1351 01:05:04,037 --> 01:05:06,197 because you know, the industry needs milk, 1352 01:05:06,197 --> 01:05:08,417 the people need this, this is our job. 1353 01:05:08,417 --> 01:05:10,427 What we are doing is necessary. 1354 01:05:10,427 --> 01:05:11,667 It's just generations, 1355 01:05:11,667 --> 01:05:14,067 and generations and generations of conditioning. 1356 01:05:15,212 --> 01:05:18,401 - You have to desensitize yourself to it. 1357 01:05:18,401 --> 01:05:21,507 If you don't, yeah, you may end up a shivering wreck 1358 01:05:21,532 --> 01:05:25,360 and unable to continue. 1359 01:05:25,795 --> 01:05:28,476 - Just because there's pain and suffering 1360 01:05:28,501 --> 01:05:30,173 built into a system doesn't mean 1361 01:05:30,198 --> 01:05:33,147 that the system's bad or wrong or evil. 1362 01:05:33,147 --> 01:05:37,517 So, I am not afraid as a agricultural storyteller 1363 01:05:37,517 --> 01:05:39,007 of talking about things like 1364 01:05:39,007 --> 01:05:41,177 institutionalized animal cruelty 1365 01:05:41,177 --> 01:05:44,360 because it makes it real. 1366 01:05:45,917 --> 01:05:47,234 And you know... 1367 01:05:50,654 --> 01:05:52,109 ... think about where I'm going with this... 1368 01:05:53,107 --> 01:05:54,949 No, I think I will leave it there. 1369 01:05:58,497 --> 01:05:59,877 I just couldn't understand 1370 01:05:59,877 --> 01:06:01,217 how all this could be happening 1371 01:06:01,217 --> 01:06:03,887 for a product that we don't even need. 1372 01:06:03,887 --> 01:06:05,547 And why are we're still putting so much 1373 01:06:05,547 --> 01:06:07,487 into propping up the industry 1374 01:06:07,487 --> 01:06:09,280 instead of transitioning out of it. 1375 01:06:10,607 --> 01:06:13,247 Could the power of the dairy industry be the only thing 1376 01:06:13,247 --> 01:06:16,057 that's stopping any positive change? 1377 01:06:16,057 --> 01:06:18,397 - We know what the problems are 1378 01:06:18,397 --> 01:06:20,757 and we're just dancing around the solution. 1379 01:06:20,757 --> 01:06:23,317 So rather than cutting it off at the source 1380 01:06:23,317 --> 01:06:25,557 and moving away from animal agriculture, 1381 01:06:25,557 --> 01:06:28,057 what we are doing is we are trying to reduce 1382 01:06:28,057 --> 01:06:30,127 the negative impact on the environment. 1383 01:06:30,127 --> 01:06:31,917 It's just a desperate attempt 1384 01:06:31,917 --> 01:06:34,273 at trying to keep that industry alive. 1385 01:06:34,847 --> 01:06:37,797 - If you are doing something that's stupid 1386 01:06:37,797 --> 01:06:41,247 and you then actually apply a silver bullet, you know, 1387 01:06:41,247 --> 01:06:44,440 you are trying to continue the stupid. 1388 01:06:45,687 --> 01:06:50,097 - All we are gonna do by these techno fixes to dairy, 1389 01:06:50,097 --> 01:06:51,707 so, "oh, put them in a barn," 1390 01:06:51,707 --> 01:06:54,597 or "give them methane vaccine," or "change their feed," 1391 01:06:54,597 --> 01:06:57,147 That's just shifting environmental problems around. 1392 01:06:58,917 --> 01:07:01,797 - The best way to reduce the number of animals 1393 01:07:01,797 --> 01:07:05,787 is for more people to go to a plant-based diet. 1394 01:07:05,787 --> 01:07:08,727 What New Zealand and other countries can do 1395 01:07:08,727 --> 01:07:14,400 is to reduce our demand on milk and dairy products. 1396 01:07:14,817 --> 01:07:16,457 And the farmers of course, 1397 01:07:16,457 --> 01:07:20,304 will rise up in arms because it's their livelihood. 1398 01:07:20,304 --> 01:07:22,094 And so if you're going to say, 1399 01:07:22,094 --> 01:07:25,707 "OK, no more, you can't keep cows anymore," 1400 01:07:25,707 --> 01:07:29,257 there must be an alternative for those farmers 1401 01:07:29,257 --> 01:07:31,820 because you've taken away their livelihood. 1402 01:07:33,517 --> 01:07:34,748 One of those alternatives 1403 01:07:34,773 --> 01:07:36,577 could be growing hemp. 1404 01:07:36,577 --> 01:07:39,257 Larrys Gold hemp products are made by a family 1405 01:07:39,257 --> 01:07:42,207 who are trying to find their way out of the dairy industry. 1406 01:07:43,562 --> 01:07:45,737 So you're a fourth-generation dairy farmer 1407 01:07:45,737 --> 01:07:47,438 and you're considering getting out of the business. 1408 01:07:47,463 --> 01:07:48,468 Why is that? 1409 01:07:48,493 --> 01:07:49,777 - It just seems a bit crazy 1410 01:07:49,777 --> 01:07:53,827 growing plant protein to feed animals to produce protein. 1411 01:07:53,827 --> 01:07:55,687 So much less protein is produced 1412 01:07:55,687 --> 01:07:59,001 per hectare of animal protein so, you know, 1413 01:07:59,026 --> 01:08:01,377 we've got a world to feed, and there's so many starving people. 1414 01:08:01,377 --> 01:08:03,059 It's just a step in the right direction. 1415 01:08:04,012 --> 01:08:06,787 We have to farm at the moment, you know, just for income. 1416 01:08:06,787 --> 01:08:09,037 And it's hard just to switch over 1417 01:08:09,037 --> 01:08:10,441 with a lot of debt and stuff. 1418 01:08:11,527 --> 01:08:13,217 We need some change. 1419 01:08:13,217 --> 01:08:16,210 It has to be done the right way and phase it out, I guess? 1420 01:08:17,867 --> 01:08:20,247 Potential to grow really good hemp around this area, 1421 01:08:20,247 --> 01:08:23,197 I think most of New Zealand, to be honest. 1422 01:08:23,197 --> 01:08:24,360 Pretty hardy plant. 1423 01:08:25,237 --> 01:08:26,737 And how likely is it for you guys 1424 01:08:26,737 --> 01:08:29,287 that that's gonna become something financially viable? 1425 01:08:30,009 --> 01:08:31,567 - I think we can do it. 1426 01:08:31,567 --> 01:08:35,407 We need to have a better industry set up in New Zealand. 1427 01:08:35,407 --> 01:08:36,967 It's pretty hard for guys like us, 1428 01:08:36,967 --> 01:08:38,807 'cause there's nothing around here either. 1429 01:08:38,807 --> 01:08:40,467 You know, pretty much everything's dairy farming, 1430 01:08:40,467 --> 01:08:42,267 so that's all people know, you know? 1431 01:08:43,225 --> 01:08:45,437 - The governing body that is responsible 1432 01:08:45,437 --> 01:08:48,397 for enabling the hemp industry is somewhat disabling it. 1433 01:08:48,397 --> 01:08:51,590 I guess the plant needs to be unlocked. 1434 01:08:52,281 --> 01:08:53,380 There seemed to be 1435 01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:55,357 other options out there for farmers. 1436 01:08:55,357 --> 01:08:57,987 So why wasn't that change happening more? 1437 01:08:57,987 --> 01:08:59,777 And why doesn't the hemp industry 1438 01:08:59,777 --> 01:09:01,250 have more government support? 1439 01:09:02,452 --> 01:09:04,412 - We're really just scratching the surface 1440 01:09:04,437 --> 01:09:06,447 of what hemp can do. 1441 01:09:06,447 --> 01:09:09,947 Future food uses, future plastic uses, construction uses, 1442 01:09:09,947 --> 01:09:13,047 and hemp itself sucks up a hell of a lot of nitrogen. 1443 01:09:13,047 --> 01:09:15,477 It grows extremely fast and consumes 1444 01:09:15,477 --> 01:09:17,697 four times more CO2 than pine does. 1445 01:09:17,697 --> 01:09:19,807 If the government enabled us to use 1446 01:09:19,807 --> 01:09:21,417 the carbon credits from hemp 1447 01:09:21,417 --> 01:09:23,177 on the emissions trading scheme, 1448 01:09:23,177 --> 01:09:27,087 the economics of hemp would be unbelievably good. 1449 01:09:27,087 --> 01:09:28,217 But central government 1450 01:09:28,217 --> 01:09:31,687 haven't been supportive enough, I don't feel, 1451 01:09:31,687 --> 01:09:33,417 for an industry that can solve 1452 01:09:33,417 --> 01:09:35,497 so many of the systemic problems 1453 01:09:35,497 --> 01:09:37,777 that they're trying to undertake. 1454 01:09:37,777 --> 01:09:39,099 I think hemp provides a wonderful 1455 01:09:39,123 --> 01:09:41,070 solution to many of those. 1456 01:09:42,487 --> 01:09:44,157 Farmers want to make a change. 1457 01:09:44,157 --> 01:09:47,377 And that's what we are trying to do hugely is 1458 01:09:47,377 --> 01:09:49,817 enable this industry and get it moving off the ground 1459 01:09:49,817 --> 01:09:52,058 and make it economically viable. 1460 01:09:52,083 --> 01:09:53,207 Once that happens, 1461 01:09:53,207 --> 01:09:56,620 then farmers will have a very easy decision to make. 1462 01:09:59,367 --> 01:10:02,577 But the global demand for dairy is still rising. 1463 01:10:02,577 --> 01:10:05,507 Even with all the plant-based alternatives available 1464 01:10:05,507 --> 01:10:07,847 it's clear that most people around the world 1465 01:10:07,847 --> 01:10:10,340 are still buying into dairy industry marketing. 1466 01:10:11,567 --> 01:10:13,497 Then I discovered that change might happen 1467 01:10:13,497 --> 01:10:16,067 in a totally unexpected way. 1468 01:10:16,067 --> 01:10:18,817 A major international report from RethinkX 1469 01:10:18,817 --> 01:10:22,377 predicts that making real dairy without cows 1470 01:10:22,377 --> 01:10:26,887 will wipe out the global dairy industry by 2030. 1471 01:10:26,887 --> 01:10:29,277 Once it's cheaper than dairy from cows, 1472 01:10:29,277 --> 01:10:31,437 big companies like Nestle could switch 1473 01:10:31,437 --> 01:10:34,567 their milk powder supply to the animal-free version. 1474 01:10:34,567 --> 01:10:38,154 And our milk powder exports could be doomed. 1475 01:10:39,837 --> 01:10:43,327 - RethinkX are saying in the US dairy industry, 1476 01:10:43,327 --> 01:10:45,297 something like a 90% reduction 1477 01:10:45,297 --> 01:10:48,060 in their cow numbers within a decade. 1478 01:10:49,008 --> 01:10:50,070 - How realistic do you think 1479 01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:53,487 that report is and how worried should New Zealand farmers be 1480 01:10:53,487 --> 01:10:56,297 in terms of them having a sustainable career? 1481 01:10:56,297 --> 01:10:57,997 - I think they should be really worried. 1482 01:10:57,997 --> 01:10:59,787 I think the last thing the dairy industry 1483 01:10:59,787 --> 01:11:00,957 should be worried about 1484 01:11:00,957 --> 01:11:04,765 is a 10% greenhouse gas emissions by 2030. 1485 01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:05,947 I think they've gotta worry about 1486 01:11:05,947 --> 01:11:07,783 will they even be around in 2030? 1487 01:11:09,207 --> 01:11:10,230 - We're going to see 1488 01:11:10,230 --> 01:11:13,917 the most consequential shift in food production systems 1489 01:11:13,917 --> 01:11:17,367 that we've ever seen in the past 10,000 years. 1490 01:11:17,367 --> 01:11:21,767 Cow as a technology will become redundant. 1491 01:11:21,767 --> 01:11:25,347 This new technology is exponentially more efficient 1492 01:11:25,347 --> 01:11:30,277 and that means that we are seeing a huge, incredible shift, 1493 01:11:30,277 --> 01:11:32,137 the biggest one in humankind 1494 01:11:32,137 --> 01:11:34,607 in the way food will be produced. 1495 01:11:34,607 --> 01:11:36,437 I went on the RethinkX website 1496 01:11:36,437 --> 01:11:38,417 and saw that this animal free dairy 1497 01:11:38,417 --> 01:11:41,807 is made by microbes instead of mammary glands. 1498 01:11:41,807 --> 01:11:45,537 These microbes are instructed to produce dairy proteins. 1499 01:11:45,537 --> 01:11:48,787 They go into a fermentation tank along with feed stock, 1500 01:11:48,787 --> 01:11:50,497 and when it's finished fermenting, 1501 01:11:50,497 --> 01:11:52,387 the microbes are filtered out, 1502 01:11:52,387 --> 01:11:55,377 leaving real dairy protein that's identical 1503 01:11:55,377 --> 01:11:57,877 to what's found in cow's milk. 1504 01:11:59,467 --> 01:12:02,539 It's also made with 5% of the resources, 1505 01:12:02,539 --> 01:12:05,960 1% of the waste, and 0% of the cows. 1506 01:12:08,347 --> 01:12:09,887 And because it's real dairy, 1507 01:12:09,887 --> 01:12:12,867 it tastes exactly like what we're used to, 1508 01:12:12,867 --> 01:12:15,277 but it does come with some of the health risks 1509 01:12:15,277 --> 01:12:17,160 that animal proteins are linked with. 1510 01:12:19,137 --> 01:12:22,601 As I was looking into this coming agricultural disruption, 1511 01:12:22,601 --> 01:12:24,768 COVID took over the world. 1512 01:12:26,297 --> 01:12:29,747 In lockdown, I read about the spread of zoonotic diseases. 1513 01:12:29,747 --> 01:12:33,840 Those that jump from animals to humans, like COVID-19. 1514 01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:36,927 It turns out that many devastating diseases 1515 01:12:36,927 --> 01:12:40,057 have come from animals, including Ebola, 1516 01:12:40,057 --> 01:12:43,147 SARS, HIV, and measles, 1517 01:12:43,147 --> 01:12:46,040 which originally spread from cattle to humans. 1518 01:12:48,357 --> 01:12:49,547 I was alarmed to see 1519 01:12:49,547 --> 01:12:51,697 that the increased demand for animal protein 1520 01:12:51,697 --> 01:12:53,807 is the number one risk factor 1521 01:12:53,807 --> 01:12:56,697 for the emergence of zoonotic diseases. 1522 01:12:56,697 --> 01:12:58,827 Now seemed like a good time to talk with people 1523 01:12:58,827 --> 01:13:01,351 who could tell me more about dairy 2.0. 1524 01:13:02,347 --> 01:13:04,590 Milk made without cows. 1525 01:13:05,987 --> 01:13:08,637 - As soon as you remove cows from the equation, 1526 01:13:08,637 --> 01:13:12,707 the business of dairy becomes much, much easier 1527 01:13:12,707 --> 01:13:14,773 and much, much more profitable. 1528 01:13:15,329 --> 01:13:18,527 The milk created without cows would completely blow 1529 01:13:18,527 --> 01:13:21,317 the traditional industry out of the water. 1530 01:13:21,317 --> 01:13:24,977 - Fermentation, the way that you produce beer, 1531 01:13:24,977 --> 01:13:28,177 is going to be the way that you produce proteins. 1532 01:13:28,177 --> 01:13:32,169 Essentially it's gonna be 10 times cheaper 1533 01:13:32,169 --> 01:13:33,967 than animal protein. 1534 01:13:33,967 --> 01:13:37,404 Cows cannot possibly compete with this. 1535 01:13:37,404 --> 01:13:42,404 And the same fate is going to happen with all livestock. 1536 01:13:42,937 --> 01:13:47,057 Pigs, chicken, sheep, first cows, 1537 01:13:47,057 --> 01:13:50,627 because they are the most inefficient 1538 01:13:50,627 --> 01:13:53,527 food production system on the planet. 1539 01:13:53,527 --> 01:13:58,152 The cow produces 96% waste. 1540 01:13:58,875 --> 01:14:02,927 Of everything that it consumes, 96% is waste. 1541 01:14:02,927 --> 01:14:05,507 So essentially you're building up this cow 1542 01:14:05,507 --> 01:14:07,897 for two or three years and you need all this land 1543 01:14:07,897 --> 01:14:10,057 and all this energy and all this water, 1544 01:14:10,057 --> 01:14:14,900 and 88% of that milk is water with no economic value. 1545 01:14:16,287 --> 01:14:20,587 There are companies already making casein and whey 1546 01:14:20,587 --> 01:14:23,287 here in Silicon Valley and around the world, 1547 01:14:23,287 --> 01:14:25,697 directly with precision fermentation, 1548 01:14:25,697 --> 01:14:28,627 and selling it to cheese makers. 1549 01:14:28,627 --> 01:14:32,847 I have eaten cheese from a Kiwi company 1550 01:14:32,847 --> 01:14:35,497 that is making precision fermentation cheese 1551 01:14:35,497 --> 01:14:37,757 here in San Francisco. 1552 01:14:37,757 --> 01:14:40,804 - When did you start New Culture and what's it all about? 1553 01:14:40,804 --> 01:14:45,804 - So I started New Culture in early 2018. 1554 01:14:45,957 --> 01:14:49,817 What New Culture does is we make cow cheese without the cow. 1555 01:14:49,817 --> 01:14:52,377 That's animal free, that's sustainable, 1556 01:14:52,377 --> 01:14:53,700 and that's indistinguishable 1557 01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:56,697 from the dairy cheese everyone loves. 1558 01:14:56,697 --> 01:14:58,737 And what's actually very interesting 1559 01:14:58,737 --> 01:15:01,007 is that this process of making 1560 01:15:01,007 --> 01:15:05,027 an animal protein without the animal is already used 1561 01:15:05,027 --> 01:15:07,407 in the dairy cheese industry. 1562 01:15:07,407 --> 01:15:10,267 And now over 90% of dairy cheeses today 1563 01:15:10,267 --> 01:15:12,547 are made using this animal enzyme 1564 01:15:12,547 --> 01:15:14,060 that's made without the animal. 1565 01:15:15,327 --> 01:15:18,097 It is tough to be a Kiwi looking to disrupt 1566 01:15:18,097 --> 01:15:20,397 the New Zealand economy in this way, 1567 01:15:20,397 --> 01:15:21,917 but, with the way the world's going, 1568 01:15:21,917 --> 01:15:26,587 we need to change and we need to be proactive about that. 1569 01:15:27,897 --> 01:15:30,267 - New Zealand's dairy exports 1570 01:15:30,267 --> 01:15:33,807 could be wiped out without a single consumer 1571 01:15:33,807 --> 01:15:37,527 changing their behavior from animal proteins 1572 01:15:37,527 --> 01:15:40,167 to precision fermentation proteins. 1573 01:15:40,167 --> 01:15:43,167 This is all a business-to-business disruption. 1574 01:15:43,167 --> 01:15:46,257 When is that going to happen? 1575 01:15:46,257 --> 01:15:48,184 The technology cost curve will determine that, 1576 01:15:48,184 --> 01:15:50,377 the market will determine that, 1577 01:15:50,377 --> 01:15:53,666 but there's no doubt that it's going to happen. 1578 01:15:55,207 --> 01:15:58,577 - I realized that this disruption is already happening 1579 01:15:58,577 --> 01:16:00,717 with investment in fermentation companies 1580 01:16:00,717 --> 01:16:02,797 at the highest level ever. 1581 01:16:02,797 --> 01:16:08,045 Over $435 million invested in just the first half of 2020. 1582 01:16:08,717 --> 01:16:12,077 Why wasn't everyone talking about the end of the cash cow 1583 01:16:12,077 --> 01:16:14,160 instead of saying there's no threat? 1584 01:16:15,347 --> 01:16:18,007 Disruptions usually happen quickly 1585 01:16:18,007 --> 01:16:21,117 and wipe out the existing system. 1586 01:16:21,117 --> 01:16:22,927 Think of a forest fire. 1587 01:16:22,927 --> 01:16:25,827 When the forest is tinder ready, 1588 01:16:25,827 --> 01:16:29,360 just a little spark and the whole forest goes. 1589 01:16:30,267 --> 01:16:32,427 It's what I call market trauma. 1590 01:16:32,427 --> 01:16:36,137 If you think your cash flows are going to drop 1591 01:16:36,137 --> 01:16:39,057 by 90% over the next 10 years, 1592 01:16:39,057 --> 01:16:43,677 then that is going to be reflected in your stock today. 1593 01:16:43,677 --> 01:16:45,927 Not in 10 years, but today. 1594 01:16:48,037 --> 01:16:49,697 - Do you think New Zealand should be worried 1595 01:16:49,697 --> 01:16:52,519 about these disruptive industries? 1596 01:16:52,519 --> 01:16:53,667 - We're looking for a premium 1597 01:16:53,667 --> 01:16:55,747 and we have to produce better products, 1598 01:16:55,747 --> 01:16:57,277 better quality products, 1599 01:16:57,277 --> 01:16:59,107 convince consumers that, you know, 1600 01:16:59,107 --> 01:17:00,867 they want the best nutrition, 1601 01:17:00,867 --> 01:17:04,627 and then we can remain viable as a farming country. 1602 01:17:04,627 --> 01:17:05,834 - The old chestnut of, 1603 01:17:05,834 --> 01:17:08,623 "Well, there'll always be a market for premium products," 1604 01:17:08,623 --> 01:17:12,957 is just so cemented into the psyche of our leaders. 1605 01:17:12,957 --> 01:17:17,457 The dairy industry, no matter how quickly they pivot, 1606 01:17:17,457 --> 01:17:19,507 it's more like they're just shuffling the, you know, 1607 01:17:19,507 --> 01:17:21,207 the chairs on the Titanic. 1608 01:17:21,207 --> 01:17:24,247 We need a new boat. Animal free. 1609 01:17:24,247 --> 01:17:29,247 When you have old, largely pale, male, stale leaders, 1610 01:17:29,447 --> 01:17:31,927 then to get that new dialogue coming through 1611 01:17:31,927 --> 01:17:33,777 it's almost like pushing shit uphill. 1612 01:17:34,534 --> 01:17:37,847 - They're trying to slow down change. 1613 01:17:37,847 --> 01:17:38,937 And because of that, 1614 01:17:38,937 --> 01:17:41,801 they're constantly staying on the wrong side of history. 1615 01:17:43,017 --> 01:17:45,525 - What does that mean for dairy companies? 1616 01:17:45,550 --> 01:17:47,289 What does that mean for the dairy community? 1617 01:17:47,314 --> 01:17:50,007 What does that mean for New Zealand's communities at large? 1618 01:17:50,007 --> 01:17:53,080 This is beyond Fonterra. This is our livelihood. 1619 01:17:54,387 --> 01:17:55,997 - And those are the sort of questions 1620 01:17:55,997 --> 01:17:58,957 that the government really needs to be thinking about. 1621 01:17:58,957 --> 01:18:00,887 And I think that's just too scary for them. 1622 01:18:00,887 --> 01:18:02,977 It's just way too scary. 1623 01:18:02,977 --> 01:18:06,057 - I'm trying to wake New Zealand up to the fact 1624 01:18:06,057 --> 01:18:08,337 that there is an urgency. 1625 01:18:08,337 --> 01:18:11,977 The scientists get there long before other people get there. 1626 01:18:11,977 --> 01:18:14,007 Lots of people have talked about pandemics, 1627 01:18:14,007 --> 01:18:15,887 including myself for years, 1628 01:18:15,887 --> 01:18:17,814 and everybody ignored us there too. 1629 01:18:18,647 --> 01:18:20,677 It's happened with the pandemic. 1630 01:18:20,677 --> 01:18:22,732 It's happened with climate change. 1631 01:18:24,797 --> 01:18:27,997 - This is not about only destruction. 1632 01:18:27,997 --> 01:18:30,257 This is also a massive opportunity. 1633 01:18:30,257 --> 01:18:34,177 I mean, I see the precision fermentation industry 1634 01:18:34,177 --> 01:18:37,580 as an emerging trillion-dollar industry. 1635 01:18:38,887 --> 01:18:41,044 - I don't think we are at all prepared 1636 01:18:41,044 --> 01:18:43,607 for a massive change of this type. 1637 01:18:43,607 --> 01:18:47,240 And I don't say that to be alarmist, more to be realistic. 1638 01:18:48,337 --> 01:18:51,637 I would like to see more of our smarts being packaged up 1639 01:18:51,637 --> 01:18:53,297 into intellectual property 1640 01:18:53,297 --> 01:18:55,677 rather than selling carcasses 1641 01:18:55,677 --> 01:18:57,797 or bags of dehydrated powders. 1642 01:18:59,787 --> 01:19:03,937 - New Zealand better prepare for this disruption. 1643 01:19:03,937 --> 01:19:06,837 As in now, as in the COVID disruption, 1644 01:19:06,862 --> 01:19:12,307 those who were prepared and those who acted decisively, 1645 01:19:12,517 --> 01:19:16,560 are the ones who are gonna come out on top more quickly. 1646 01:19:18,415 --> 01:19:19,547 - I was blown away 1647 01:19:19,547 --> 01:19:20,737 by everything I'd learned. 1648 01:19:20,737 --> 01:19:21,987 And the fact that the government 1649 01:19:21,987 --> 01:19:24,617 still seems to be in denial about it. 1650 01:19:24,617 --> 01:19:26,667 That means we are not preparing 1651 01:19:26,667 --> 01:19:28,330 and neither are other countries. 1652 01:19:29,417 --> 01:19:31,447 It was clear to me that we're in big trouble 1653 01:19:31,447 --> 01:19:34,850 if we don't take this seriously and make urgent changes. 1654 01:19:35,717 --> 01:19:39,437 It turns out that Aotearoa, New Zealand, the US and the EU, 1655 01:19:39,437 --> 01:19:42,967 account for nearly half of all global dairy production 1656 01:19:42,967 --> 01:19:45,567 and these governments are also in the best position 1657 01:19:45,567 --> 01:19:48,207 to help farmers transition out of dairy, 1658 01:19:48,207 --> 01:19:51,697 saving our economy and our environment. 1659 01:19:51,697 --> 01:19:55,037 - We need to support our farming communities to transition. 1660 01:19:55,037 --> 01:19:58,407 I think it is unfair for decades to have encouraged them 1661 01:19:58,407 --> 01:20:01,857 to go into intensive dairy and then expect them 1662 01:20:01,857 --> 01:20:04,027 to somehow tomorrow switch. 1663 01:20:04,027 --> 01:20:08,972 - Support people to actually, you know, change. 1664 01:20:08,972 --> 01:20:11,287 We are all products 1665 01:20:11,287 --> 01:20:14,430 of where we've come from and the life we're born into, 1666 01:20:15,507 --> 01:20:18,654 but we don't have to continue this way, you know? 1667 01:20:19,310 --> 01:20:20,407 You know, and we wanna live here. 1668 01:20:20,407 --> 01:20:23,037 So, clearly, living means not dairy farming 1669 01:20:23,037 --> 01:20:25,216 'cause then dairy farming's not really living. 1670 01:20:26,017 --> 01:20:27,737 I think we've just stumbled onto this 1671 01:20:27,737 --> 01:20:30,307 fantastic crop for our region. 1672 01:20:30,307 --> 01:20:34,457 Pumpkins just seem to be a boomer, really. 1673 01:20:34,457 --> 01:20:36,237 Absolutely boomer. 1674 01:20:36,237 --> 01:20:37,817 We're hoping that pumpkin seeds 1675 01:20:37,817 --> 01:20:39,730 will wipe the floor with dairy. 1676 01:20:40,927 --> 01:20:43,097 Well, if it beat dairy farming out, return wise, 1677 01:20:43,097 --> 01:20:45,357 why would a farmer not do it? 1678 01:20:45,357 --> 01:20:48,477 I can't imagine why they would be so bloody-minded 1679 01:20:48,477 --> 01:20:50,727 about milking cows forever. 1680 01:20:52,387 --> 01:20:54,837 I think I'm coming into a good space now, 1681 01:20:54,837 --> 01:21:00,945 and it's been the move away from dairy farming, definitely. 1682 01:21:02,777 --> 01:21:03,957 With the future generations 1683 01:21:03,957 --> 01:21:06,120 I think the farm will be in good hands. 1684 01:21:07,477 --> 01:21:10,962 The land will be in good hands, you know? 1685 01:21:18,037 --> 01:21:19,937 I'd heard of a dairy farm near Wellington 1686 01:21:19,937 --> 01:21:23,070 that's making a transition to growing organic vegetables. 1687 01:21:25,387 --> 01:21:27,807 Cameron Family Farms is owned by filmmaker, 1688 01:21:27,807 --> 01:21:29,940 James Cameron and his wife, Suzy. 1689 01:21:32,317 --> 01:21:36,010 - We bought our farm in the Wairarapa in 2011. 1690 01:21:36,927 --> 01:21:39,517 We had two dairies within the farm 1691 01:21:39,517 --> 01:21:43,000 and one of them being a very successful dairy. 1692 01:21:43,857 --> 01:21:45,467 Even though I had been in 1693 01:21:45,467 --> 01:21:48,627 the environmental sector for decades, 1694 01:21:48,627 --> 01:21:49,851 no one had ever mentioned 1695 01:21:49,876 --> 01:21:51,367 anything about animal agriculture. 1696 01:21:51,367 --> 01:21:55,407 They had talked about dead zones, ocean acidification, 1697 01:21:55,407 --> 01:21:58,967 deforestation, biodiversity loss, et cetera, et cetera. 1698 01:21:58,967 --> 01:22:01,237 If you put animal agriculture in the middle, 1699 01:22:01,237 --> 01:22:04,285 you can put all of those things around the outside 1700 01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:05,957 and they all connect. 1701 01:22:05,957 --> 01:22:08,247 I didn't know any of this! 1702 01:22:08,247 --> 01:22:10,917 And in may of 2012, 1703 01:22:10,917 --> 01:22:15,097 we went plant-based and realized that our dream 1704 01:22:15,097 --> 01:22:19,527 to have this beautiful organic dairy organization 1705 01:22:19,527 --> 01:22:22,007 didn't seem like the right way to go. 1706 01:22:22,007 --> 01:22:23,620 So we closed the dairies down. 1707 01:22:24,937 --> 01:22:27,210 So now we grow organic veggies. 1708 01:22:28,237 --> 01:22:31,867 You need less land, you need less water, 1709 01:22:31,867 --> 01:22:33,757 you need less inputs. 1710 01:22:33,757 --> 01:22:37,130 It's a much more efficient way of growing food. 1711 01:22:38,407 --> 01:22:40,667 And most recently the thing that has come up 1712 01:22:40,667 --> 01:22:43,487 that should probably be the number one thing 1713 01:22:43,487 --> 01:22:47,047 on our radar right now is pandemics. 1714 01:22:47,047 --> 01:22:52,155 So 75 to 80% of all diseases that have been created 1715 01:22:52,517 --> 01:22:55,380 have been created because of the exploitation of animals. 1716 01:22:56,447 --> 01:22:57,617 - Is this a change that you think 1717 01:22:57,617 --> 01:23:00,347 other dairy farmers in the area could also take on? 1718 01:23:00,347 --> 01:23:04,317 - One of the things that we noticed very early on 1719 01:23:04,317 --> 01:23:09,030 was just how quickly New Zealanders can pivot. 1720 01:23:09,907 --> 01:23:14,497 Plant-based food products are the largest-growing sector 1721 01:23:14,497 --> 01:23:17,530 within the food sector around the world. 1722 01:23:18,817 --> 01:23:21,547 People have to be able to do it in a way 1723 01:23:21,547 --> 01:23:23,617 that it's lucrative. 1724 01:23:23,617 --> 01:23:25,137 It also has to do with being able to 1725 01:23:25,137 --> 01:23:27,747 look at themselves in the mirror at the end of the day, 1726 01:23:27,747 --> 01:23:30,787 knowing what it's doing to the land, 1727 01:23:30,787 --> 01:23:32,977 knowing what it's doing to people's health, 1728 01:23:32,977 --> 01:23:35,590 knowing what it's doing to the animals. 1729 01:23:36,577 --> 01:23:39,947 Even if it was healthy to eat animals, 1730 01:23:39,947 --> 01:23:45,650 there is no way that we can feed humankind 1731 01:23:46,187 --> 01:23:47,687 by eating animals. 1732 01:23:57,517 --> 01:24:00,407 No wonder we already have a world hunger issue. 1733 01:24:00,407 --> 01:24:02,890 It's partly to do with how we're using the land. 1734 01:24:04,407 --> 01:24:06,057 One acre of land can produce 1735 01:24:06,057 --> 01:24:08,707 15 times more protein from plants 1736 01:24:08,707 --> 01:24:11,960 than the same area of land used for farming animals. 1737 01:24:13,827 --> 01:24:15,939 We're also using over three-quarters 1738 01:24:15,964 --> 01:24:17,437 of the world's agricultural land 1739 01:24:17,437 --> 01:24:20,490 for farmed animals and to grow food to feed them. 1740 01:24:22,057 --> 01:24:25,637 - Just imagine more grain today is grown to feed 1741 01:24:25,637 --> 01:24:28,570 our farm animals than starving people. 1742 01:24:30,137 --> 01:24:32,829 You know, what we're doing now doesn't make sense. 1743 01:24:33,512 --> 01:24:36,063 So we need a whole new way of thinking. 1744 01:24:39,767 --> 01:24:40,897 In 2019, 1745 01:24:40,897 --> 01:24:43,407 world-leading scientists from across the globe 1746 01:24:43,407 --> 01:24:46,344 came together to answer this question, 1747 01:24:46,344 --> 01:24:50,227 "Can we feed a future population of 10 billion people 1748 01:24:50,227 --> 01:24:53,877 a healthy diet within planetary boundaries?" 1749 01:24:53,877 --> 01:24:56,057 They discovered that without a global shift 1750 01:24:56,057 --> 01:24:57,777 to a plant-based diet, 1751 01:24:57,777 --> 01:24:59,917 today's children will inherit a planet 1752 01:24:59,917 --> 01:25:02,137 that's been severely degraded 1753 01:25:02,137 --> 01:25:05,067 and where much of the population will increasingly suffer 1754 01:25:05,067 --> 01:25:07,960 from malnutrition and preventable disease. 1755 01:25:09,667 --> 01:25:10,837 From everything I'd learned, 1756 01:25:10,837 --> 01:25:12,147 it wasn't just dairy 1757 01:25:12,147 --> 01:25:14,567 that we needed to move away from consuming. 1758 01:25:14,567 --> 01:25:16,934 It was all animal products. 1759 01:25:18,457 --> 01:25:20,487 If everyone ate a plant-based diet 1760 01:25:20,487 --> 01:25:23,890 we'd free up land area greater than the size of Africa. 1761 01:25:25,417 --> 01:25:26,887 A lot of the world's farmland 1762 01:25:26,887 --> 01:25:29,387 could be returned to native species, 1763 01:25:29,387 --> 01:25:31,347 an effective way of storing carbon 1764 01:25:31,347 --> 01:25:34,440 and increasing biodiversity at the same time. 1765 01:25:35,755 --> 01:25:36,850 In New Zealand, 1766 01:25:36,850 --> 01:25:39,667 going plant-based would reduce our dietary emissions 1767 01:25:39,667 --> 01:25:43,587 by over 40% along with saving the healthcare system 1768 01:25:43,587 --> 01:25:46,740 up to $20 billion over our lifetime. 1769 01:25:47,677 --> 01:25:51,707 - Every time you put plant-based food on your plate, 1770 01:25:51,707 --> 01:25:53,917 you're doing something good for your health, 1771 01:25:53,917 --> 01:25:56,977 and for the environment and for the animals. 1772 01:25:56,977 --> 01:26:00,517 It will not matter if we have electric cars 1773 01:26:00,517 --> 01:26:03,587 or if we have sustainable clothing to wear 1774 01:26:03,587 --> 01:26:06,060 if we don't do something about our environment. 1775 01:26:07,147 --> 01:26:09,067 And that is a huge piece of it, 1776 01:26:09,067 --> 01:26:12,770 to be able to shift away from animal agriculture. 1777 01:26:16,050 --> 01:26:17,058 - For me, 1778 01:26:17,058 --> 01:26:19,977 dairy was a normal part of life growing up in New Zealand. 1779 01:26:19,977 --> 01:26:22,527 So it's been a disturbing journey coming to understand 1780 01:26:22,527 --> 01:26:24,497 that milk isn't the wholesome product 1781 01:26:24,497 --> 01:26:26,637 we're led to believe it is, 1782 01:26:26,637 --> 01:26:28,097 and that animal agriculture 1783 01:26:28,097 --> 01:26:30,850 is damaging our future in so many ways. 1784 01:26:33,387 --> 01:26:36,067 But I have hope for a different future. 1785 01:26:36,067 --> 01:26:38,857 Instead of continuing down this doomed path, 1786 01:26:38,857 --> 01:26:41,297 we could grow healthier and more sustainable 1787 01:26:41,297 --> 01:26:44,577 plant-based food from less land. 1788 01:26:44,577 --> 01:26:46,427 Re-wild the land we gain back 1789 01:26:47,607 --> 01:26:50,580 and live ethically with all life on this planet. 1790 01:26:53,517 --> 01:26:56,277 Companies like Fonterra will have to decide 1791 01:26:56,277 --> 01:26:58,687 which side of history they want to be on, 1792 01:26:58,687 --> 01:27:00,277 to keep hiding from the truth 1793 01:27:00,277 --> 01:27:03,510 or to work together on solutions. 1794 01:27:06,057 --> 01:27:08,787 - We all each have a responsibility 1795 01:27:08,787 --> 01:27:09,997 because every day we live, 1796 01:27:09,997 --> 01:27:12,507 we make some impact on the planet. 1797 01:27:12,507 --> 01:27:15,287 We have a choice as to what sort of impact 1798 01:27:15,287 --> 01:27:16,390 we're going to make. 1799 01:27:17,737 --> 01:27:21,397 And if billions of people make ethical choices every day, 1800 01:27:21,397 --> 01:27:22,987 even small ones, 1801 01:27:22,987 --> 01:27:25,324 that's going to lead to change 1802 01:27:26,127 --> 01:27:30,547 and eventually the impossible will have become possible 1803 01:27:30,547 --> 01:27:32,797 and we'll change the world. 136278

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