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I can think of three specific moments
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when I should have
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died to to uh the people who knock these
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buildings down are here all of us
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soon America is at
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War my dad was was born in Colorado and
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and uh he was an FBI agent and his
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greatest expectation was that his oldest
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son me would would go to South Bend and
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attend Notre Dame as well I went to all
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boys Catholic High School as a 2-year
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starter on the football team but I
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really didn't think I could get in there
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academically and I knew I couldn't play
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for them in the fall of 63 right after
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Kennedy's assassination my father said
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to me you should consider Notre Dame and
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I said Dad I can't get in there so he
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applied for me
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and then what I think happened is that
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he must have called the admissions
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office every other week to say I'm an
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Alum I contribut to the Alumni
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Association and my boss is Jer Hoover I
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want my son to go go to Notre
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Dame in this fall of 1964 I went off to
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South
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Bend I wasn't a good student I flunked
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out in uh June of
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1966 and came home to pretty angry and
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devastated parents for sure and my
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father was was
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angry beyond angry the first thing he
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said when I walked in the kitchen he had
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the letter in his hand and he said
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godamn it you're going to get drafted
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now that's what's going to happen to you
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you're going to get drafted you know it
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was awful it wasn't a happy time and
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then in October without telling a single
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person I went down and saw Marine Corp
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recruiter in New Haven Connecticut when
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I told him that I had signed up and was
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enlisted and I'm going
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he said you know when you flunked out
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this was this was immaturity and this
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was foolishness and you were a young kid
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and I understand that it does happen he
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said but this and he pointed like that
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this and putting up my contract he said
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this is spite you're just doing this to
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spite us and I just said Dad no it's not
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spite I got to go I need to go away he
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said I never thought I'd live to see the
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day when I would consider my oldest son
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to be an and on the word
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he really stopped talking to me he never
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said go start the car pass me the
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mustard he also never said Happy
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Thanksgiving he never said Merry
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Christmas and he never said Happy New
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Year and in fourth or fifth of January
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he had already gone to work I hadn't
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talked to him and uh my mother was in
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the kitchen and I said ma they the
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recruiter said that my graduation will
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be in in March right around St Patrick's
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Day 67 and she said no no Dennis no no
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no the The Graduate ation we were going
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to go to was the one in South Bend IN
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1968 but we're not going any dumb
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graduation in South
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Carolina that's how I went out the
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door at the end of boot camp I had made
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PFC I knew I was going to be a on
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graduation I had that so I had to I had
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done really well there 3 days before
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graduation we were sitting in a school
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circle around the drill instructor and
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he was reading the Moss's and I wanted
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to hear 03 I mean I didn't want to drive
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a truck I didn't want to be a cook I
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mean I wanted to hear 03 that's all I
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wanted to hear I knew 08 was artillery
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and to me artillery was driving a truck
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full of shells you know pulling a
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lanyard on a cannon and having a sh go
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out and I didn't want that either and so
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in this school Circle that night when he
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got to me he yelled my name and I jumped
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up and he said 08 and I
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winced and he said what the is
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wrong with you what's wrong with you
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private
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I said sir the private was hoping to
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hear 03 sir he said well it's ' 08 do
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you know what that is and I said the
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private understands that it's artillery
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sir he said yes it is you're 0849 you're
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going to be a Ford Observer you'll be
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dead before Christmas sit the goddamn
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hell
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down this evening I came here to speak
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to you about Vietnam the military can no
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longer justify this war with a casualty
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count more Marines are dying along the D
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MZ than enemy this is a different kind
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of
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War when we were getting ready to leave
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from Vietnam we got to the terminal this
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big Continental jet landed the plane
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opened up doors and guys came down the
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steps they look terrible uniforms didn't
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fit and they had big Dark Shadows under
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their eyes looking at them like man what
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have we we signed up for and a couple
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hours later we got on the
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plane came out the door to this
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oppressive heat and these terrible
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smells and the humidity and just
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staggering really ter you kept hearing
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was we're going to go north we're going
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to go north eventually my name was
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called and I went with the group and
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they said you'll be flying up to
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donga and they said you're only here for
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a day and you're going to
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quesan
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US Marine Corps Jets unleash a heavy
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bomb attack on Hill 861 near quesan
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South Vietnam when I checked in with the
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CEO or the first sergeant he said to me
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they're going to get attached out to an
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infantry company and it was real
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peaceful there they had not taken a
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round of incoming since the summertime
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the hill fights were not a memory but
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they were in the past but they were
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famous in Marine Corps history and guy
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said see that hill over there that bump
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that dirty bump of Hill I said yeah he
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said that's Hill 61 and this is so
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historical it's like Bunker Hill or
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Omaha Beach that I went and took a
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picture of it with my camera and I
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didn't realized then that on the day
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after Christmas in ' 67 I'd be on that
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hill and go through the seats there two
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days later this Lieutenant looked pretty
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beat up came up to me and he said I'm
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Lieutenant holderness I've been the fo
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here are the maps here's the compass
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here are some binoculars and I said I do
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I hold these for the the lieutenant and
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he said no there's a shortage of wine
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off officers you're the
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fo in the Marine Corps fo team there's
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an officer there's an enlisted Scout and
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there's a radio operator who's also
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enlisted my company Commander had a
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staff meeting so I walked in with my
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little Paris Island red notebook and he
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looked up and he said who the are
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you the gunny jumped up and said this is
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PFC Manion sir he's cing Lieutenant
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holder's job he said Jesus I can't have
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a non- NCO at my staff meetings make him
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a Corporal and the first sergeant jumped
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up and said sir he hasn't been a he
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hasn't been a lance corporal yet he said
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first sergeant it's 0930 promote him to
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Lance corporal when he comes back from
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noow make him a Corporal and that's how
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I got to be a
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Corporal the number of operations pretty
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minor in the fall of 67 and and in
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November we were at dong
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and they told us that kilo company was
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going to go up Route One the next day
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and establish another fire
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base the trucks were actually rolling up
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the road and then a Jeep went flying by
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and pulled in front of the first truck
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and stopped and a major got out and he
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said got to turn these trucks around
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they're going to quesan so they turned
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all the trucks around we went right to
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the air strip at donga got on Choppers
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and they flew us to quesan that was the
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buildup for what became the siege
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we got there on the 12th we started
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running patrols every day but there was
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no gunfire there was no fighting
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absolutely none and then Christmas came
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and went and on the 26th we saddled up
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and we walked at least 1,000 M off the
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flat ground and then worked our way up
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to 861 elevation 6 got one by Machine
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Gun we ran patrols every day starting on
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the 27
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of
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December there was a long Patrol and a
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short one and the fo team went with the
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long Patrol on the 15th of January they
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sealed up the gates no more patrolling
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outside the hills 5 days later it's the
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20th couple Marines spotted a couple NVA
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on the ridgel line 500 M away from us we
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called in a fire
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mission adjusted twice 12 rounds maybe
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105s and then they organized the patrol
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they got permission to go out and I
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didn't have go but I wanted to go I
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wanted to see where the rounds hit and
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what it might have done I wore my black
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low Converse
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sneakers 45 minutes later we're up there
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the elephant grass is all smashed down
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there's blood Trails there's pools of
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blood there were no bodies right there
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they were drag marks going to the West
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so we requested permission to go after
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them and the radar operator two seconds
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later said permission denied turn around
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and come back back and the staff
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sergeant got on the horn and he said
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there's blood stains here request
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permission to pursue further and Jasper
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got on the radio personally and said
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turn your men around now and come back
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down at the combat base somebody stood
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up outside the last strand of wire with
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a white rag in his hand it was an NBAA
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guy he was an officer and he said
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tonight at midnight 861 is going to get
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attacked 811 South is going to get
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attacked and the combat base when the
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sun comes up started to get dark and we
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were on 100% alert because the NVA were
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out there cutting the wire you could
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hear them you could hear the wire being
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cut you'd hear and then the wire would
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spring back and they were giggling and
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laughing and you couldn't see them in
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total darkness and it was really
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eerie to listen to people cutting the
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wire because they know they're coming
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through there at some
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point just before midnight we heard a
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noise a voice coming up from the trench
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line there was a Navy Corman Malcolm Mo
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what are you doing up here so I got to
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go to the bathroom and at the same time
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that happened we got a call on the
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landline from the captain that there
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were NVA spotted outside of the wire at
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the southern end of the hill and he
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wanted us to go down there by the time
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we got down there we were just crossing
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the LZ when a green flare went up and
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all of a sudden the entire northwest
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corner of the hill was being
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targeted
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Mal was actually W his way down from
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using the bathroom he was halfway down
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the slope and an RPG killed him
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instantly I used to think about him for
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the longest time still do to be by
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himself with no one
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around moving down the hill in the dark
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picking his way down and thinking how
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scared he must have been but hustling
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back down to be with his platoon when
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when the round came in and he
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was he
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he because of his personality and the
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fact that
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he we were friendly with him and he
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liked David and I it really stung it
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really
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did I said to David we've got to get
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back up we need to get back up to the
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top and we got near the CP bunker and it
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was already in
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shambles I said David we can't go across
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the top of the hill we need to go back
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down get to the trench line and we'll
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work our way up the Western trench line
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meanwhile you know explosions and
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gunfire and Rec Callin
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105s we worked our way up the trench
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line and at some point there was this
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huge explosion to our right and above us
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almost green and it was the 106
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recoiless rifle position being blown up
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with all the ammunition stacked
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underneath it you can't see anything
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it's totally dark then we got to a
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machine gun bunker and I yelled where's
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your team where are they and he said I
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don't know they're gone they ran I mean
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they left
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him he said what are you doing here
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Dennis and I said well we' got to get up
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further around the corner to be able to
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see and he said well there's an NBAA guy
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right in the trench line there you're
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going to have to get by him and he's
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still
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alive I said to David give me your 45
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and I eased my body out of the back of
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that machine gun bunker and into the
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trench line like this and I was feeling
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in the dark and scooting out further and
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further and I got to a point where I
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felt his
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hair and I pushed a little bit and he
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started to bring his head up he was
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lying face down and I just took my hand
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away and in the dark I just
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fired we knew he was dead
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then and then we worked our way to
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another bunker and we took over that
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where we could see the ridge line and
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call in Fire and adjust fire and so we
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were there for the rest of the night and
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it gradually eased off and it's clear we
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weren't going to be contested any
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further and then got to be just about
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sunlight and all of a sudden from the
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southwest here baboom baboom and it was
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the opening rounds of the artillery
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hitting the combat base and the rockets
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and the guy was right it was just after
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sunlight they were going to attack the
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base but they had figured at that point
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they they would have overrun both Hills
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and that didn't happen obviously
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when the sun came up the combat base was
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now being shelled we needed to get to
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the top of the hill so we went back down
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the trench line stepped right on the
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dead NVA soldier in the trench and then
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worked our way to The Landing Zone and
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then went up the hill that way we came
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around the corner and the Gunnery
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Sergeant who I really liked Melvin rmo
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gunny Melvin rmel he was laying on his
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back and I closed his eyes used my
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thumbs and I closed his eyes for him
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I mean I literally cried for him and for
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all of us
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really gunary sergeants and Marine Corp
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their job is to kick people in the ass
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and do what the captain wants him to do
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and to see him dead like that I thought
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Jesus I mean if a guy like this gets
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killed we we all going to get
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killed he told a bunch of us at one
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point five or six days before a Siege
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it's going to get bad here and we know
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it's going to get bad you need to look
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out for each other you cannot be afraid
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you need to act with courage but make
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sure you trust the people to your right
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and to your
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left he said all of this is fate 5 days
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later he's
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dead con rumo
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God
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they sent a patrol out the next morning
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so it's the 22nd and I went they were
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only going to go right outside the
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triple concertina to see if there were
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any dead that they could bring in
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somehow those guys got inside the wire
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in the first 10
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minutes when they withdrew they dragged
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as many of their dead people away as
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they
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could the people they couldn't drag away
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were the people who were on the hill but
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just inside the wire and people in The
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Wire itself there must have been 20 or
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30 of them out
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there those guys rotted over the next
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week just rotted
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terribly when the wind was blowing
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towards us down in that end of the
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trench line where there gas mask at
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times from the stench and literally with
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my binoculars you could see an arm
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inside the wire with just a skeleton
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where his hand used to be the rats
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cleaned them out and the maggots cleaned
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them
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[Applause]
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out
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life on the hill deteriorated into just
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living in the
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ground all the digging we did on a61 was
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with entrenching tools there was not one
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shovel on the hill all the food and all
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the water had to come to h61 by
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helicopter we didn't have our own water
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source we were sometimes one canteen a
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day we lived in the dirt we slept on the
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pieces of cardboard that se Rion were
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wrapped up in your pants got so filthy
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dirty and crusted that they would rot
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off at the knee
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the hooded sweatshirt my father sent me
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the arms rotted off eventually I took a
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field shower in donga just after
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Thanksgiving in in ' 67 when we were
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going up going up to conen and I didn't
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wash until we got out of quesan in April
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of
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68 that's what life on the hill was
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like so tell me about this map where
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where did this map come from as an fo
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you have to have a map be able to call
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in get coordinates and call in
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artillery I got this one and it's
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actually two maps that I taped together
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because at the time we didn't know which
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way we would be going it soon became red
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from the
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dust every square that you see is a
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th000 m these are thousand meter grid
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squares I look at this map sometime at
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night and I think about all the stuff
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that happened in particular grid squares
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not specifically but I think people were
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there they were trying to kill one
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another
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[Applause]
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at some point I radiated the combat base
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and I asked them for a pair of an extra
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pair of binoculars for my radio operator
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so when I radio down they said we don't
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have any so the next day after the 21st
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when we got over partially overrun I
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radio down and said my my my binoculars
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got blown up and that afternoon we had
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another pair of binoculars these are the
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binoculars that I stole from the Marine
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Corps those are the original ones I was
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assigned to and then those are the ones
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I reported as being
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broken for the next couple of months we
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had two sets of binocular they also
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brought us in big set of binoculars from
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a Navy ship I used to look at the hill
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500 met away from us it was unbelievable
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to look through that and see the NVA
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over there digging and throwing dirt
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around and bringing stuff up on top of
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that Ridge
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line
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keson in March The Siege by the enemy is
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still underway but now the end is in
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sight 2 and a half months of shelling
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day and night no hot Chow mud and grime
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Red Dust but now Marines are moving out
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into the hills looking for the
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enemy on the 12th of April they told us
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we were packing up that we were leaving
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by helicopter and we were going to go to
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881 South and no one knew really what we
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were going to do and I remember getting
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off the helicopter turning in the trench
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line coming around the corner and there
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was what was human flesh all over the
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sidewalls of the trench line it was it
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was scary and then we were told we were
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going to attack on Easter Sunday 881
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North when the sun came up they were
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already running air
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strikes they're firing artillery in in
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grid squares they're just moving a whole
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grid Square ahead of us I would say Okay
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shift the box and they would shift the
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guns to another 500 M
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ahead and they were firing directly over
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our heads as we moved up onto the top as
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the NBA would really dug in up
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there and all the artillery strikes and
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the air strikes decimated them we killed
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a bunch of people up there but most of
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them had fled off their Hill to the
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north we hunker down on 881 North you
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know broken trees and the gunpowder
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smell everywhere blood everywhere and we
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we waited all three companies just
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waited what are we going to do now and
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then the word came you're going back to
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881 South so we attack it we take it and
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a couple hours later they say Okay pack
507
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up you're going
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back okay what do we even go here
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for the next morning on the fth
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helicopters are flying into 881 South
511
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one after the other they're picking up
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everybody in 326 up there and they're
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flying back to the combat base cuz we're
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getting out we're going to leave quesan
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in a
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day I had befriended a lieutenant
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Benjamin Steve forom he went to Baylor
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so I talk Notre Dame football he talked
519
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Texas football we talked about books we
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talked about girls he was really a good
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guy he'd come by sit and have supper
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with us he really was a genuinely good
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officer we're in the dirt next to one
524
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another as the helicopters are coming in
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and they're taking out first platoon
526
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second platoon then the CP group and
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he's going to be on the last helicopter
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while we were laying next to one another
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in the dirt two rounds hit some distance
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away I said I hope they're not adjusting
531
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those and he said if they're half as
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good as you they won't hit
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my helicopters Landing in the LZ
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they're 46s and as I start to get up he
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squeezes my hand and he says I'll see
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you at the
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Bas 5 minutes go by and the helicopter
538
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lands the ramp goes down and the Marines
539
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are carrying four people five people
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Lieutenant foran was one His Radio
541
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operator was another those rounds had
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been adjusted and they landed right
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behind the helicopter it was
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awful
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I hadn't shaved in a month I had a
546
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mustache all the time some guys had
547
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beards I hadn't had a haircut in 4
548
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,760
months we check in and the first
549
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,360
sergeant looks at us and he said what
550
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,240
are you doing here you don't even look
551
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,840
like Marines go get a haircut shave
552
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Captain sne came over he said we're
553
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,120
getting a real fo in the morning that's
554
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:32,960
how we put it we're getting a real fo
555
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,640
like I wasn't the
556
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,799
fo okay and I said am I going to stay
557
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:40,600
and be the Scout and he said no you're
558
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,919
getting out of the
559
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:45,640
field I'm going home I'm going home in
560
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the morning the guy came off the
561
00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:50,320
helicopter I handed him the binoculars
562
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,080
and the maps I had we flew out on a
563
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,960
continental jet again and this time it
564
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,480
didn't stop in the middle of the Pacific
565
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,480
cuz it could fly all the way to El
566
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and then we landed and we came down the
567
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,679
ramp and there were kids younger I say
568
00:24:04,679 --> 00:24:06,520
kids younger Marines sitting under those
569
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,240
palm trees at the picnic
570
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,039
tables so that was me a year ago I'm so
571
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thankful I'm
572
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[Music]
573
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:23,310
[Music]
574
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,399
here when I got home my mother opened
575
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the door took a step backward and almost
576
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,679
fainted on top of the TV console were
577
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:34,799
two little 4in square televisions I
578
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,120
haven't been home 5 minutes and I said
579
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what's with the
580
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,480
TVs she said it's your father every
581
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night at 6:30 he watches the news ABC
582
00:24:44,919 --> 00:24:49,120
NBC and CBS without fail he watched it
583
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,120
every
584
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:56,440
day he came in at 5:00 5:30 and I stood
585
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,520
up he said said how long have you been
586
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,159
home I said I got in this morning God
587
00:25:03,159 --> 00:25:05,720
damn it you didn't call me you didn't
588
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,039
come see
589
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:11,279
me I was like I could never please him
590
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:13,799
you know I flunked out of his college
591
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,760
and now I didn't go see him and in
592
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,840
retrospect I've got kids of my own it
593
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,770
was a bad way to treat my
594
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[Music]
595
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,799
father I can think of three specific
596
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:29,679
moments when I should have died
597
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,200
if the round had been 12 in to the right
598
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,200
or to the
599
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,640
left mortar shell landed literally 12 in
600
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840
away from the hole I was in b boom b
601
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boom b boom and then boom one hit right
602
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,279
on our stove right in front of it I mean
603
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,360
I could have died you know in my first I
604
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:47,960
would have been my first real month in
605
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,600
Vietnam so I would say
606
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[Music]
607
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lucky in my downtime in The Siege at any
608
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,159
other time in Vietnam I wrote I have an
609
00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:04,760
ability to communicate and I wrote a lot
610
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,880
of letters and I people sent me tons of
611
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,399
letters I had people writing letters all
612
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the time and I start this letter my
613
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mother
614
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,200
I don't know here's a drawing of
615
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,279
our bunker we slept on cardboard for a
616
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:20,600
long time but eventually we got two CS
617
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,640
that's the
618
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,360
bunker Joe dhy was my best friend from
619
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,360
high school known each other since 8th
620
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,799
grade still friends today he saved every
621
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,880
letter that I wrote and there's at least
622
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,720
100 125 letters The Siege had been
623
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,320
underway for 10 days the Ted offensive
624
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,440
has just started and I really thought I
625
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,880
was going to get killed up there and I
626
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,960
wrote this letter to him and it was a
627
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,039
farewell letter that I wrote to my
628
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,520
parents and my brothers and sister I
629
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,840
said to Joe when I get killed I want you
630
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,320
to bring this to their house at some
631
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,840
point I felt I needed to say goodbye to
632
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,320
them cuz I didn't leave on great terms
633
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,559
I wrote it put it in the envelope and I
634
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,240
put a note on the outside I said Joe I
635
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,039
want you to bring this to their
636
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,440
house so this is the thin assembly this
637
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,440
is what's left of an 82 mortar and so
638
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,919
when it goes up turns and comes down
639
00:27:12,919 --> 00:27:16,360
when it hits there and it blows up all
640
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,000
the shma goes in every direction and
641
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,760
some of it goes
642
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,520
up I don't know if I can do this or it
643
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,679
works for you you want to turn the
644
00:27:24,679 --> 00:27:26,200
lights off or that would can you see
645
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,799
that every big hole or every big tear
646
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:30,919
that you see in that towel means you're
647
00:27:30,919 --> 00:27:34,000
dead and every little piece means
648
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,640
surgery at some point or removal of
649
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,600
shrapnel I think shrapnel is the
650
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,720
greatest cause of injury and death to
651
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,360
soldiers on
652
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,440
battlefields you think about that day
653
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,360
huh when you look at that tow I do how
654
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:48,919
close it could have been right
655
00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:51,080
away might have been one of the new guys
656
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,480
that got hit kill the first 30
657
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,440
days
658
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,799
it is pretty humbling to see it and
659
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,799
understand that how close I
660
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,840
came I didn't want to go back to Vietnam
661
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,279
and to quesan stand there like I did in
662
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,440
in September of ' 67 and look up and say
663
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,679
oh there's 861 I didn't want that
664
00:28:18,679 --> 00:28:20,480
experience if I couldn't go on the hill
665
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,360
I never would have gone and when I knew
666
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,559
I was going to go I grabbed a whole fist
667
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,880
full of bless palm and I wrote 28 names
668
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,200
and the day they died and my plan was to
669
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,180
read them up there when we were all up
670
00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:36,599
[Music]
671
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,600
there 33 years you've been
672
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,360
whing here the here's Don Tre right here
673
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,880
950 so if you kind of put the map just
674
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,120
like that right there's 950 and 10 right
675
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,679
1015 to the right I us like
676
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:52,680
this
677
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,399
[Music]
678
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:59,399
this
679
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,599
[Music]
680
00:29:02,679 --> 00:29:04,840
down through
681
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,919
there looking for
682
00:29:06,919 --> 00:29:10,600
you you looking for me I've been waiting
683
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,159
32 years for this day I wanted to go at
684
00:29:13,159 --> 00:29:15,919
h61 stand on that Hill cuz I wanted to
685
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:18,480
pay tribute to the friends and Marines
686
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,559
who died up there cuz you never get a
687
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,080
chance to say goodby when they get
688
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,240
killed you don't have time you have job
689
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,799
to do and you you have to keep on going
690
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,679
we hired a van we had a driver went up
691
00:29:28,679 --> 00:29:30,919
to quesan we walked around the combat
692
00:29:30,919 --> 00:29:34,430
base a night later we packed
693
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:37,320
[Music]
694
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,240
up we made our way up it was wet and
695
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,640
kind of rainy and we got to a point
696
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,000
where we got onto a small Ridge line it
697
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,519
was clearly it's clearing we weren't
698
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,440
uphill we were flat and everybody
699
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,720
stopped to rest and all of a sudden I
700
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,760
realized there were holes in the ground
701
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,039
we're in a Marine Corps position here
702
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,200
fellas
703
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,799
really American Camp right here
704
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,080
plastic bags from the sear rats 33 years
705
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,799
ago probably a hill fights spring 67
706
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:11,120
right here baby look at
707
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,440
this still underneath it's still good
708
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,480
you can read the
709
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,640
writing there have been foxholes
710
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,279
probably dug during the hill fights
711
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,480
start digging down in them and you found
712
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,000
C ration spoons it was incredible to
713
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600
think we were standing right here are
714
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,080
these uh is I found my bunker no they're
715
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,600
not dead I know right I'm standing my
716
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,000
pack is where my bunker was no this is
717
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,320
not they're
718
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,960
live don't kick
719
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,679
him I can't believe I'm
720
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,720
here I really can't
721
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,120
believe the roof of my
722
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,799
bunker 32 years
723
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,559
ago it seemed so godamn small so
724
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,279
contained like that it's your memory and
725
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,480
your imagination that makes it bigger
726
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,960
than it really was I mean it doesn't
727
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,080
diminish what happened up there and I I
728
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,519
thought well how could all this
729
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,639
happen in a in an area like this size
730
00:31:12,639 --> 00:31:15,000
but it
731
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,880
did we made
732
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,720
it the hills are the same I swear to God
733
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,360
they're the same well there's that tree
734
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,279
line I was trying to hit you know that
735
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:24,960
night right and then we p a big and then
736
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,039
there's the ridge line right over there
737
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:27,840
that up to the forest the forest has
738
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,679
grown back now that's where the guy got
739
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,639
shot in the eye and killed there from
740
00:31:31,639 --> 00:31:33,159
that platoon that went out there's the
741
00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:34,440
ridg line right over there and look at
742
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080
all the bombs that little 50 caliber
743
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,600
position was right in here somewhere
744
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,200
that we when you see my bunker over here
745
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,159
you'll recognize it you will recognize
746
00:31:43,159 --> 00:31:46,440
that all I can hear are birds chirping
747
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,279
and there's no more rain it stopped
748
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:50,919
raining it was just Mist blowing in over
749
00:31:50,919 --> 00:31:52,880
the ridge line you can this dip down and
750
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,760
come back out it was really eerie I said
751
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,639
an Our Father and a hill Mar out loud
752
00:31:58,639 --> 00:32:00,919
and then I randomly pulled the names out
753
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,960
of the bag I read their name the day
754
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,880
they died I said rest in peace and then
755
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,360
I let it go into the
756
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,559
wind and then I walk back down the hill
757
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,519
now I'm on the LZ looking up towards the
758
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:16,480
top when I looked
759
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,840
up and I saw 8 10 figures standing in
760
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,880
the Mist up there some had ponchos on
761
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,960
some had their helmets on they weren't
762
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,440
in a formation they were just standing
763
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,880
in kind of a loose group the wind was
764
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,720
moving their clothing and the ponchos
765
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,039
they weren't saying anything they just
766
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,440
were looking and I I really blinked and
767
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,919
looked away thinking this is not
768
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:40,320
possible maybe I'm just imagining this
769
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,559
and I looked again and they were still
770
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,679
standing there so I saluted one time I'm
771
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:47,720
not much for formalities but I saluted
772
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,600
one time turned and walked back off the
773
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,880
hill and never look back over the LZ and
774
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,440
all the way down we're coming a little
775
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,440
further back towards 86 61 and there was
776
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,760
a foxhole there um obviously been
777
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,960
weathered and then I fished around at
778
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,720
the bottom and there was a locket there
779
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,799
I kind of opened it up a little bit
780
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,919
there was a picture inside of a little
781
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,480
girl and a
782
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,559
woman and I thought God damn that's when
783
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,399
I knew the Foxhole was a Vietnamese
784
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:20,519
Foxhole this was a North Vietnamese
785
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,399
soldier who died there that is the
786
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:24,279
tragedy that for every veteran that's
787
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:27,760
out there there's Family behind and and
788
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,760
as heartbroken is that people feel about
789
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,559
someone dying next to them back home
790
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:36,200
people are are feeling even worse you
791
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,440
know uh it's an unforgiving business we
792
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,440
keep doing it though I
793
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,960
guess and if you could use one word to
794
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,840
describe that whole experience what
795
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,600
would it
796
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,880
be
797
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,519
grateful for having the life that I've
798
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:57,600
lived since then I've lived a very
799
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,159
Charmed and lucky life you know I have
800
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:02,639
four kids we got 11
801
00:34:02,639 --> 00:34:06,120
grandkids um I I feel really really
802
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,720
lucky my dad smoked from the time he was
803
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:12,320
14 Chesterfield Kings never quit they
804
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,760
took out a long he kept smoking so in
805
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,200
the process of dying of lung cancer and
806
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,560
empyema he was in the hospital and we
807
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,200
talked about
808
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,800
Vietnam and he said the reason I was so
809
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,960
angry and disappointed was that as FBI
810
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,919
agents we knew the way the war was being
811
00:34:30,919 --> 00:34:33,679
run there was no way they could win it
812
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,119
it's just that's what he thought that's
813
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:36,639
what the FBI thought the way it was
814
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,079
being run couldn't win it and he said it
815
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,919
tore me up inside and made me so angry
816
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but also afraid that my oldest son would
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voluntarily put himself in a place of
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harm like that he said that's why I said
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all the things and didn't say anything
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in all those months years back you know
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and I said dad I I understand you know I
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understand that was the only time we
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ever talked about it but he he he knew
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they
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knew war is a bad business and whether
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you're
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wounded
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physically everybody gets
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wounded emotionally psychologically you
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can't escape that it may end the war
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they're in the conflict they're in may
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end but the battle Inside the Mind and
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the Brain goes on
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forever
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90% of my life is in my rearview mirror
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so only 10% left and I want to make the
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best out of my
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10%
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in
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