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Spaghetti Westerns um had begun well
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before Sergio Leon Germans and so forth
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wrote westerns even though none of them
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had ever been to the American West there
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was a kind of a European
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tradition and uh the Italians came along
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and so they started making these
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pictures often using slightly broken
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down American stars or stars like Clint
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who were on the
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rise was a very
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unpretentious I guess is the polite way
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of putting it the genre I mean you know
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it was mainly made for Europe and I
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think leonis were really the first to
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make any kind of impact in the United
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States they were looked on a scance
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because they so violated the long
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American tradition of how Western
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stories were
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told is one of the things that that
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Clint once said to me about that's what
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he liked about him they were Breaking
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All the Rules
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Leon is the only director of uh
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spaghetti Weston that made it in America
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by the way there were dozens I produced
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a uh spaghetti Weston
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myself there were dozens of them but
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almost all of them never played in
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America only Le onlyi pitures because he
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was Artful he was very very clever in
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the making of his movies he made them
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feel like real important pictures
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by the way he shot it and the kind of
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characters he
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used The Westerns done by other
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directors at the
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time uh were cheap films I was the one
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who started the Italian westerns and my
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films were cheap
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too uh the ones before seron so there
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there was no
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outstanding Western director B than Ser
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Leon at that time and even
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later because the Western General was um
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considered as something cheap not worth
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doing
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it while s only loves loved them and I
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love the
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Western we were doing very small budget
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films this wasn't the the high budget
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attack Italian film the first fful of
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dollars was a $200,000 film and that uh
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maybe a few dollars more than that you
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feel pardon the pun but uh they were
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very shoestring they had a German money
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in it and and and Spanish money and
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Italian money and those three entities
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were constantly arguing with themselves
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about who would pay what they'd always
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be arguing or reneging on the deal
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and walking off the set it was it was a
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great experience to look back on but the
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time it was kind of it was kind of funny
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I mean now it's very
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funny I always thought at the time I
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this thing will either do really well or
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it won't do anything probably the latter
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so I thought this thing's going to
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really bomb out but I'm going to get a
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trip to Italy and Spain I've never been
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either
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place if it if it did something if the
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dice came up 7 or 11 I I'd be uh uh it
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would be just a bonus
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deal we must remember that he always had
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a name in all three of these pictures
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the man with no name was was actually a
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marketing concept somebody United
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Artists came up with when they decided
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to bring out these three pictures in
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relatively close order but in this
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picture he's
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blonding Clint brought a lot of costume
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with him black jeans which he found you
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know just in a Levi store somewhere his
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gun belt was his rawh hide gun belt the
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cigars were bought near to Hollywood
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across from the farmers market in point
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of fact he wasn't a smoker but when he
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did have to smoke one he said they had a
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really foul taste he said put you in the
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right mood for the character and he
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brought that sheep skin um jacket that
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he wears under the sppy uh Robie was
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Sergio I think he bought that in Spain
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on the location actually but the the
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sheep skin coat which he wears quite a
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bit in all three of them was was was
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Clint's addition to the costumery of
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this
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movie it was kind of all pieced together
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and you never had duplicates and
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triplicates of anything in case
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something got lost in case something got
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damaged we had nothing I had one hat if
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I lost that hat I was I was a goner
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there was no way to match up to anything
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else so what I did is I took my wardrobe
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home at night I took it back to the
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hotel I took the hat and the Poncho
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which we only have one of I just kind of
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had to keep very very careful of track
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of everything and that's about
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it I was in California making another
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another movie and the age of said
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there's a there's a Italian director
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wants to make a a western and he wants
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you to be in it I said well how do
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Italians make western oh he said yeah
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spaghetti western I said spaghetti
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western sound like like um Hawaiian
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pizza I I never heard of it oh he says
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he he'll make a good Western he's made
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two others a fist full of dollars and a
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few dollars more so I met Leon was a big
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bear of a man and he said I I want I
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want you to come to Italy to make the
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movie he said see a piece of my movie
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and I saw the credits of one of his
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movies where his name appears and then a
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gun appears and shoots his name down I
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thought that's very interesting it shows
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he has an ego but he's willing to be
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shot down so I said yes where do you
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want me he said I want you in Rome a
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month from now and we're going to start
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making the movie I I arrived in in
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Italy the next thing I know I'm on a
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horse being turned in by Clint East
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would to get a reward for my capture
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because of a vicious
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Bandit and I had lines to learn and I
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put on this costume and there I was in
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the movie and I was playing this
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character too
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good let
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me you play with the man tied up come
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back come back and fight
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bastard Eli is a well he's a very very
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fine actor I was always a great admirer
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of his prior to doing this film with him
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and uh I mean even even afterwards make
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it sound like afterward uh but he was a
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just a great performer and very very
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versatile actor but he always had a
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tremendous amount of energy and he just
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enjoyed himself eventually he enjoyed
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building the character and putting it
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together with my character which much
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more on the stoic side though I'd play
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my humor in more of a rye fashion his
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was
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more where we I thought we made a pretty
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good combination you fy bastards come
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here I kill you I kill
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you such ingratitude after all the times
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have saved your life well I enjoyed
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Clint because
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Clint didn't say much but he had a great
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sense of observation and listening and
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that's of great strength in movies he
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doesn't seem to do much but when you
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look up on the screen there it is and
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it's
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wonderful we fly to Madrid and we're
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going to shoot in the southern part of
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Spain in a place called Al Maria
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Lawrence of Arabia they shot there and
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there in southern Spain you had the the
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water then you had desert then you had
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mountains so it could be very
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Western we were the only people in town
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that spoke English no coner
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know uh our serenas as they call them
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there and would would spoke English you
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just a small hotel everything was
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Italian or Spanish rather and
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uh people who spoke a little Spanish got
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by and if you didn't you if you ordered
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a milkshake you got a potato salad so
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you had to learn really
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quick Sergio didn't speak any English
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and I didn't speak any Italian when I
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first went over there he knew goodbye
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and I knew Riva de and that's about it
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Clint I don't know how he communicated
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but I communicated with broken French
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with Leone spoke pretty good French and
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that's the way we we communicated but
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after a month of shooting this movie six
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days a week 12 to 14 hours a day we
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learned to
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communicate you remember the gun shop
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where I put the gun together I said
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Serge I don't know anything about guns
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he said just take have fun
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and what I admired about him is he let
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me go through the whole thing of taking
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a gun apart putting together and I put
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things in like
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this you
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know and I shook the thing I did all
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kinds of crazy things that I had no idea
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were
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authentic cut he says good I like that
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finish a good movie director comes to a
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set early in the morning and walks the
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scenes through that he's going to do
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that day
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himself alone so he can think and
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concentrate on then once he's got it he
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relaxes somewhat you know the day is
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from 9 to 5:00 and that's said it's not
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like the old
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days he was so concentrated on what he
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wanted I mean there wasn't a moment of
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film that he printed that wasn't exactly
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what he wanted his pictures are
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wonderful
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[Music]
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not a lot of coverage he sometimes would
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do a shot three or four times because
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they were so paranoid in the early days
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especially not so much on The Good the
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Bad and the Ugly because that was a co-
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United Artist production and a fairly
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large budget but in the early days
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they'd do a couple takes because they
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figured the lab would screw up the first
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two or three or somebody would get
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scratched or somebody would drop it it
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was just all kind it was a very very
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halfhazard
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crew
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Leon didn't do much directing he knew
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what he wanted in his shot he knew how
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to set it up he had a wonderful
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cameraman named tonino deoli a little
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man who was brilliant with a camera
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Sergio chose tonoli as
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cinematographer he's one it's
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undoubtedly one of the best
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cinematographers in
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Italy in Italy the photographers are
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great it's atavistic you know it dates
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back centuries the talent these people
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have I mean when they attack went into
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high fashioned designing they took it
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over they're incredibly talented you any
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church you go into in Naples I mean in
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Florence especially or Rome there's a
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masterpiece of
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painting hey Pablo don't you recognize
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me it's me Toco on the set the actor
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spoke the language he knew there's a
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scene with my
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brother I I don't know the right thing
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he would watch my lips when I stopped
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speaking then he would talk what about
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our
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parents and I understood enough Italian
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he did it in Italian or French or German
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whatever language they spoke they spoke
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they didn't care if there were
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extraneous noises like you say oh the
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camera is making a little noise they
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didn't care about that just as long as
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the picture was clear you'd be doing a
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scene in in your ey line off of the one
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side of the camera or another you'd see
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a couple guys back there playing frisbee
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or making motions or telling jokes and
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you hear people talking and uh it's uh
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it's very very distracting and I I just
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kind of forged over it it gave me a
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reason to concentrate that much more
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intently they just weren't used to the
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quietness of a set where sound is a very
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important
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feature I'd make up a lot of stuff
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anyway and so would Eli we' just do the
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scenes and whatever that intent was and
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then but you did have to keep track of
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it because you're going to Loop it
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later there's an actor who lived in Rome
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named Mickey Knox who lives in Rome
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lived in Rome and Mickey they gave him
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the job of the
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dubbing I would sit at a a small moviola
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and go over the film or each the speech
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back and forth back and forth and had to
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fit in what I adapted in English into
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the lips with Eli and Clinton was easier
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than the others because they only spoke
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English and many times they was good
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enough I spent a whole morning on one
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line just two words in Italian there's a
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big closeup of a God saying to prisoners
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of war from the south and they're
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playing while they're torturing Eli the
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music is supposed to drown out the
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screams at one point they start to cry
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the musicians the line in Italian is
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pfor which means
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louder
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PE well I couldn't get it in PE for has
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two
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labials I was stuck on it until I came
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back from lunch and I thought wait a
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minute I got
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it more
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feeling KNX work was very important and
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very effective for this reason
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I don't give a goddamn what they do in
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Andersonville while I'm in charge the
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sink must have been perfect otherwise
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the American audience would look there
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was no sink and immediately the picture
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would be qualified as a poor
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picture you see in this world there's
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two kinds of people my
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friend those are loaded
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guns no you
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di you dick the major problem that I've
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always had in translating and adapting
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scripts from Italian English is the
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humor it's different American humor is
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not like Italian humor in many many
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cases I had to find the American humor
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and fit it into the
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dialogue see you soon I
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IDI
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idiots it's for
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you I didn't think I was funny in places
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people quote to me one line I said all
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the
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time when you have to shoot shoot don't
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talk I didn't think it was funny I think
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I was just shot a man and I said you
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wasted your time I'm going to shoot you
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that's all but for some reason it it
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turned out oddly and people took took
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pleasure out of this
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man is actually a trism of movies
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especially action movies that less
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dialogue is more and has more of an
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impact
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why yeah H yeah we're going for a ride
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where clinty was always arguing with
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Sergio for Less dialogue and
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you he thought that this guy should be
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really silent not have any Exposition
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whatsoever keep his comments to almost
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fragmentary sentences that's right
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$2,000 yeah what little dialogue Clint
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has tends to be very
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memorable for example in Good Bad and
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the Ugly when when he finally comments
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on the Carnage of the big battle at the
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bridge never seen so many men wasted so
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badly that really zings out at you
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because he has up to now made no comment
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about the stupidity of the C conflict
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hasn't said a word but when he finally
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does speak that line it's very
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potent a couple steps back I think in
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good bad and ugly Clint's character is
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sort of mysteriously darker than he is
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in the others for example when he
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decides to break up his partnership with
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Eli there's no particular motive for
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that he just up and does it
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adios yeah maybe there's some backstory
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we're not privy to but you know this
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good scam they've got going it could go
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on for a long time with it and it just
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doesn't make much
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sense on the other hand he's also one
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the later passages of the movie more
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Humane than than he's been in his
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previous movies I
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think he's going a little bit more
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toward Humanity on the one hand a little
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bit more toward of kind of enigmatic
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Darkness on the
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other there's a little bit more range in
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this character
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look
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go
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go hey go go come
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