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During June and July at Olympic Studios
and later in the fall at Star Groves,
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they were working on what will become songs
for exile. Now, Shine a Light was cooked up
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in 1968 and 69 with the title Get a
Line on You, but also picked up here
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and then in the fall of 70 also in the Sticky
Sessions. Getting a lift from Billy Preston.
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Outstanding versions.
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Now, this sweet, sweet version of Sweet
Virginia, another one originating earlier,
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a different Mick vocal version with other
surprises. Bobb's fine sack solo and Ian with
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the boogie woogie. Taylor sings back up here,
but it's very hard to pick him out. There was
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a version of All Down the Line. It's thought to
be at Olympic, but I'm not sure which take it is.
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I'm seeing that the 2010 Deluxe version has the
backing track with new Mick vocals on it. That
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might be it. Mick is the one that would present to
the band to play Shake Your Hips from Slim Harpo.
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Carrying on later at Star Groves in the fall,
stop breaking down. With Robert Johnson's version
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from 1937, we can say the stones brought justice
here. And in Martin Elliott's book, he mentions
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about Mick is playing some rhythm on this. And it
was later that it was Andy John's who got Mick to
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add their harmonica, those blasts in his echoing
hoots later on. And they're not on this version,
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of course. Good time Woman, also known as
Tumbling Dice later on, was worked on during
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the 1970 session at Olympic and Star Groves.
the start of this masterpiece, that chugging
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rhythm in another protagonist attracted to a
lady. She's just carefree and living on fun and
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sex. A red light woman who likes to party.
This seems to be a common theme with them.
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You're going to feel all right. I said baby.
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The song Walk with Me Wendy is not exile related.
It was thought to be recorded in the summer,
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possibly the fall. It didn't go over to APCO, so
there is somewhat thought to be jammed later in
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70 possibly. The Stones own this one. This song
was released on that fully finished outtakes,
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the one that was leaked, a song that probably
deep fans will appreciate. Only a Mickg guided
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vocal tune with nonsensible rambling. No
reference to Wendy in these lyrics. We hear
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how nicely how they develop a tune. You can
hear pieces of several songs in here like I'm
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Going Down or Traveling Man. Now, the piano
is a main component and said not to be Nikki,
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but maybe Ian or Bobby Whitlock. Midway is
a Keith lead reminisce to give me shelter
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slightly and like at some points
how Charlie plays that high hat.
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This next March to May 1970
tune made it on Exile Deluxe
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in 2010 and heard plenty dancing
in the light. a loving cup feel.
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Here's Jeremy Barz giving us a sample of that
2010 version. The top Keith playing open G,
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but that's the version from 1970. On the bottom
is Keith's open G. And this is what he added an
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overdub in 2010 version. Thanks to Don was as
a champion in taking this one on the song for
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the exile release and the bonus tracks. Don
was is a huge fan of the stones and needed
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to be pinched and he got to work with them
since 1993. This version is mix singing with
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new lyrics as this was originally an instrumental
lyrically. Not much of a stones 70s skill lyrics.
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We'll focus now on the 70s instrumental version
they did in 1970. It is on piano and it sounds
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like Nikki. Jimmy Miller adds percussion, a
full sounding jam and another song. You can
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hear their studio jam developing. You hear Mick
hollering and the buildup at the end is divine.
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When I first heard this, it was the baseline that
first stood out. And in Martin Elliott's book,
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he mentioned how Don wanted to add some bass
to it, but when he tried to follow along to
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Bill's playing, he just couldn't due to Bill's
unique pattern and style. And Don is a basist.
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Leather jacket was a Mick Taylor tune played
at Olympic in June. This melodic tune has leads
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that are pronounced with acoustic and electric
guitars. It's a polished piece, but it's kind
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of repetitive and is screaming for vocals.
This song didn't stay in the Stones Rolodex,
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but it picks up on Mick Taylor's debut album in
1979, which took him approximately 3 years to
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pull together. CBS Records, they weren't
supportive for Taylor on this promotion.
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As Taylor put lyrics to it, we can see that
there's some real personal side words here.
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Photographer David Bailey was one of the hippiest
in the 60s in swinging London. David would take
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some photos of Mick at this time. During the
sticky sessions, Mick knew he had a task to finish
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the get your Yaya's cover shot. So, he reached out
to David to reshoot it. It was done on June 7th.
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They shot it at an abandoned runway in North
London. It's about 10 minutes from where Charlie
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actually grew up trying to recreate the album
cover for the exhibition. Except you won't have
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me leaping about. I don't think it was David
Bailey who we wor with a lot in those days. I
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went to this place near where I was used to live
which is Henden and it's on a air uh runway plane
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on my runway and an air drone they bought the
donkey along put a drum on it had me dressed
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up well actually I was in my stage clothes and
borrowed Mick's hat in one of them I don't know
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if they used all them and David was up a ladder
shooting down and then on the floor shooting
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up there. That's about it. The donkey supposedly
belonged to a local farmer and was not so pleasant
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or easy to work with. They tried two donkeys. The
first one would not move or wear any of the props.
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Charlie's jumping was done in several takes. He
had to hop off a platform a few times until the
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shot was made. And some people never noticed or
they just forgot what was on Charlie's t-shirt.
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The album cover, the sky, was colorized in
postp production to give a twilight color.
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June 24th, Mick's Ned Kelly film is open
at the London Pavilion. Bill and Taylor
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joins there to see the premiere. Mick and
director Tony Richardson are a no show,
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but Mick's parents did attend. Critics bashed
it, and they said the film didn't know whether
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to be art or entertainment. aimless, dull,
but kudos to the cinematographer and a few
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action scenes. There were some positives. The
words. What's the new album called? Sticky
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Fingers. Let's talk about some of the cuts on
it. Some of the things you particularly like,
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ones that you felt were interesting to work
with. You got a lot of uh new songs on there.
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You've got one song that's got a long jazz
riff in it. Yeah, that was nice. That was a
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Can't you hear me knocking? It's a bit like
going home. Do you know what I mean? It was
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just a sort of unworked out thing we just did
at the end cuz we didn't know how to end it.
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This early take really gives us the
idea what led to the final version.
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It has such verocity and explains
the mood and direction that they
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were headed. An absolute stunning piece. Mick
is laying out and providing guiding vocals.
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Get the Come on. Come on. Come on.
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They manufactured this song on the spot. They
all felt this groove. Not done in one take like
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many claim. Mick also plays percussion. Jimmy
Miller is playing that percussion instrument
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called a wirro. There's no need to introduce
this song. We should remember Quasi Desid Zoru
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who insisted on sympathy and you can't always
get and now he's here. Also named as Rocky Dejon
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again. They wanted Rocky on this album and
he came in for the second half of this song.
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Also, Billy Preston on piano. And towards
the end, we hear the organ. It's not certain
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what amp Keith used for this song. Probably a
Fender or maybe a Vox. There's also a Echo used,
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a Reox. Keith using the black Les Paul custom
tuned to OpenG. and Mick Taylor on a Walnut Brown
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Gibson ES355 for solo. Here you see Taylor using
it when playing in a later years with Jack Bruce.
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Now, in the deconstructing part of this song,
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we're going to hear Charlie,
Rocky, and also Jimmy.
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Heat. Heat.
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Bill, he carries his part in this song.
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Yeah, you got sat shoes.
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Yeah, you got nasty boots.
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Y'all got cocaine eyes.
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Yeah, you got sleep
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on the window.
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Mick and Keith backing vocals and
Mick Taylor also. Ain't no stranger
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baby. Ain't no stranger. Help
me baby. Ain't no stranger.
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Now singing in this song key was
challenging for Mick. So hence the
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vocal doubling added to his vocals.
They needed to cover up some issues.
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I'm going to take you down.
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I got me down.
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I'm all around your street now.
Hear me knock all around your town.
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Keith with his magic pulled this riff out of the
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air. So it goes. The song
just evolved as it played.
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He injects some chord changes to this
groove that is tout and unpredictable.
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And in the beginning, Taylor plays some
contrasting rhythm in the first part with
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that clean sound just in standard tuning.
Simple but impressive chord embellishments.
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And we hear all the transitions playing
a melodic story. They flow and they mesh
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with Rocky's Latin feel. Taylor bends
those notes and he plays vibr with ease.
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We then get Bobby Keys. He says how it was this
song that gave him the start of feeling part
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of the band. Not part of the first section of
the song though, but in the studio as he heard
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him flowing at the 243 mark. The second part, he
picked up the sacks during the instrumental part
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as he felt something. There was no plan to keep
the song going. They thought the song was done.
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They didn't think the tape was rolling, but it
was. It was a feel, just a feeling, spontaneity
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with Bobby as he picked up that sex and he looked
around. He was not told to do it. He just did it.
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He felt it was an open invitation for anyone.
It's what he said. The musical interplay with
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all these components was a masterclass
in spontaneity and sophistication.
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I'm going to mention something and there's
a point to it and you'll understand why.
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Bob Dylan's live album from 1984 called
Real Live is backed up by Mick Taylor
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as his guitarist. Recorded two days,
July 5th, July 7th, and on the 5th,
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special guest is Carlos Santana on Tombstone
Blues. July 8th, not on the album, was Taylor,
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Carlos, Clapton, Ian Mclagen, and Chrissy
Hine. And they all played in Ireland with Bob.
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Mick Taylor and Carlos Santana both knew of
each other's work prior to 70. And eventually
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in the 70s, Carlos was hanging out with other
British guitarists as he expanded tours in the
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UK and Europe. And just a note, they both
played together more after Dylan. And not
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to forget December 6th, 1969 at Alimont.
It was Santana that opened and played in
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the daytime. Their set was interrupted with
violence. You get now why I mentioned the
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Taylor Santana details. That Latin field
gave Taylor his window of opportunity.
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Now, there are some that say this song
was planned, a jam, and not improvised.
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I can only say that the ending is unusually tight
for an improv ending. So when the song finishes
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in the studio, they all go into the control
room. Bobby, he loved it. He felt so good. Well,
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maybe I get on this tune anyway. Mick then says
something like, "Well, that was fun and a cool
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jam, but don't think it's going to be added."
And Bobby just thought, "Oh god, I'm shut down
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on this one." So, as they're listening to
the take, they're surprised to hear the
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extended part was recorded. Mick and Keith were
going back and forth with it. And by this time,
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Bobby left already and would not know until
later that it was Jimmy Miller that gave his
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input to get his stamped approval that this take
was it. As I read more fan forums, some actually
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just want the first part of the song and not
the extended jam. And there's always that 2%
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This song's interpretation. So many thoughts on
it. A bottom feeder guy and his ex or a lady or a
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dealer. satin shoes, plastic boots. She's a woman.
Mick will sing out many shows. Not saying plastic
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boots, but Chinese boots. Cocaine eyes, big eyed
when she sees coke. The guy's stalking or look to
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get her attention at her home as he's pretty drawn
out. It's him at the door, not a stranger. Hey,
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wake up. Let me in. Kicking the habit. I need your
help. Prowling, growling, howling, and knocking.
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The song's focus is the riff and jam and less
on the lyrics for me, despite how good they are.
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Lick's Live Tour 2003 in New York City. Mick
plays her harmonica for some of the sack solo.
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Heat. Heat.
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When the album was getting prepared for release
in 71, the legal team realized that this song
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and some others were not filed which caused
copyright problems. So they had to sit down
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and listen to the acetate pressings for this song.
There was a dilemma and a disagreement and no one
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in the office could agree on a line of lyrics. The
lyric was I've got flatted or flattened feet now.
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Mick would tell them and insist he didn't
sing that and could not remember the line
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on that cut. So, here's a listen. Amazing how it
does sound like that. I've got flattened feet,
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isolated vocals, and you hear Yes. I've
got a fight in me now. Hey, down downh.
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Aha.
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There you go. Heat. Heat.
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In 1969, Sticky Fingers was a working title, but
that was for an album named Let It Bleed. The
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darkness of Let It Bleed songs didn't match the
Sticky Fingers title. There were so many loose
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songs from beggars through the sticky, but a
double album was not considered until exile.
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But then again, there was so much legal turmoil
going on that a double album was not considered.
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Mick crossed paths with Andy Warhol during
the Stone 64 US tour. Their tastes, artistry,
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and personas were compatible, and as time went
on, they would share similar social circles. It
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was the 69 time frame when Mick asked Andy to
make a cover for Through the Past Darkly Hits
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album. Andy delivered his product, but Mick did
not care for it, and it just ended there. Andy
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felt he should have received some payment for his
work, at least for trying. Andy was annoyed and
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this final product that he proposed was either
misplaced or it was lost somewhere. It was never
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to be found after. Now the time frame supposedly
later in ' 69, Mick meets up with Andy again in
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some nightclub in New York City. It was here they
engaged in conversation. Mick explaining the need
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for another album cover. got to be certain they
patched things up from their last experience. And
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as Andy would say, wouldn't it be fun to put out
blue jeans with a zipper on the cover? Real jeans
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and a real zipper. Andy had an art director and
a graphic designer in his factory, Craig Brun.
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Craig also had his own business company. Craig
went into print industry in New York in ' 64.
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It was him that designed that saying on albums
includes the hit single. First one was on an
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Elvis album. He worked with packaging for Chess&M
Mottown and Mercury. He would work with Andy on
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the Velvet Undergrounds banana adhesive concept.
Peel slowly and see see what now the velvet's
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phallic symbol the banana on the first album was
painted by Warhol Braw was recruited from MGM to
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assist and he added the peel to reveal of the pink
banana underneath the peel genius. Who can resist
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not seeing was underneath the yellow and black
banana? This started their relationship. Brun
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would have several ideas for covers besides
the blue jeans and zippers for the Stones.
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Got to give kudos to a website called The
Art of Cover Art by Rachel Kitt. Rachel does
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exactly that. She explains and exposes
great album covers. And here's Rachel's
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website and information. Craig Braun that
gave her a comment as she had an article
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about him and then she got to interview
him and I got the information in the photo
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as you see now. When she was interviewing
in his apartment, he explained and showed
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some great insights of the alternate covers
that he was concocting. We see here the three
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panel fold out of the jeans concept he was
working on with a life-size image. Actually,
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this was a good concept as the bottom panel would
go between the zipper and the album to protect it.
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And here we see the heat sensitive cover he was
proposing advanced thinking for this time using
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contained ink crystals. So when a warm hand
presses against it the warmth will change the
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green ink crystals to blue which the bonus
is will leave your fingers embossed in it.
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connected concept of a mood ring for those
remembering that. Greg would actually sort
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of connect the same concept here
with his George Harrison album.
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One other one was a tptic panel of a castle, a
chateau in France. And what that is is a three
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panel art showing a scene outside shot of a
castle. You open it and you see the inside of
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it displaying all the band and equipment in the
front hall. Another idea was a public execution
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of Mick's head cut off and two new ladies in
the middle of the desert reaching for his head.
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Brawn had another idea and that was with Marshall
Chess. They had a photographer with a waterproof
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camera going underwater taking some shots. I'm
not sure if the stone's heads that were blown
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up were in the water or above the water looking
into the pool, but looking at later at the prince,
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Marshall then thought how creepy and
dark this was, especially how Brian died.
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Ron was high one night and sitting at his glass
desk. He was using bamboo rolling papers. And as
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he's sitting there looking at the bamboo rolling
papers and looking at the shape of the package,
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it matched an album cover somewhat. Ronn contacts
his illustrator and says to him, "Let's make this
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part of a Stones album, Bamboo Rolling Stones, and
have a big single paper with the stones inside."
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Great thought, but the jeans and zipper were
already in motion at this point. Marshall Chess
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loved the idea. Now, Braun loved the concept also.
And now that you're probably thinking and saying,
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"Yeah, I've seen this before." Well, he sent
this over to Lou Adler this concept and it was
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part of Chichin Chong's second album do a number
with Chichin Chong and that was implemented. So
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Mick liking that zipper idea and the blue jeans
and Andy moving forward on creating a prototype
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a mockup of jeans and the real zipper and when you
undo the zipper you'll see some underwear. As Mick
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sees more, he starts thinking logistically. The
thought starts emerging on how to plan for this
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and what is the cost. But Atlantic was okay with
the cost at that time. Andy asked and got 15,000
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for his work so far. Now with Andy and Brawn
moving ahead in motion with this idea, photos had
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to be taken. The photos using a Bigshot Polaroid
camera was done by Andy and the models they used,
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their names were never written down, but it was
done at the factory 33 Union Square West. Not
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only the front side was shot of the models, but
the backside and models in underwear. Billy name
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was Craig Brun's assistant, also known as William
Lynwich. Billy is the designer of making Andy's
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factory all in silver. He was a lighting designer
and a photographer. He worked at the factory 64 to
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1970 and had a brief romance with Andy. Here we
see Billy's photos to help with Velvet's album.
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Now, Billy would take some 35 mm photographs
while Andy was taking his Polaroid shots of
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these models. The factory contingency like Glenn
O'Brien, Cory Grant, Tippen, Joe Dellesandro,
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and some others, but as mentioned, the photos were
never assigned a name. Both Andy and Billy shot
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away together. Billy would hand over his photos to
Andy, and we have no idea where these photos are.
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So, Glenn O'Brien would later say he was paid $100
by Andy for his photo. Glenn was the underwear
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model, Andy's editor for his new startup magazine,
Interview. Corey Tippen was a makeup artist,
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costume designer, and a performer. It's been
declared the front and back cover of Sticky
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Fingers is him. Now, the models, they were told to
arouse themselves prior to taking the picture. Jed
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Johnson lived with Andy for 12 years, and there
was thought it was him on the cover. Here he is
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with Cory Tippen in 72 that was taken by Andy.
Cover is a picture of a guy's just this part here.
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Andy Warhol designed it. Well, who's crutch it is?
It's got to be mix, right? Describe the cover. I
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can't even remember it. What is the cover? So,
I got the phone call and they said, "Corey, come
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over now to the factory." The doors opened. Okay.
Andy Warhol is ready for you. You know, he had a
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handheld Polaroid around his neck. Obviously,
it's an image that anyone could claim. No one
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really knows whose crotch is depicted in the Andy
picture. I always thought it was Joe Doolisandro.
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There's another guy that talks about it all the
time. His name's Cory. and I was the person that
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led people in and out of the factory. So if
I didn't see you, you probably weren't there.
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The Stones were in this similar territory a
few years prior. The end of ' 67 and 1968,
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they were planning to launch their own record
label. They were going to call it Mother
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Earth. The intention was an independent
label so they can support other artists.
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an international operation in
the Stones Manic Street office.
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All the Stones has acting producers
and will contain its own staff. The
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distribution would be handled by Deca. Charlie
was the one who was designing the logo. It was
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announced that Maryanne was going to sign as
the first act on the Mother Earth label. Now,
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this project failed to lift
off. Still in its infancy,
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the idea of a new label was instead substituted
by the thought of having an entire self-managing
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company. With all that chaos going on, Mother
Earth lost focus and energy and priority.
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Now, back to Craig Brawn. His specialty was in
gimmick album packaging which totally benefited
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record sales. It was not a coincidence that he was
chosen for this project. The polaroids he got from
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Andy, the jeans, were more shadows of gray and
not really contrasty of black and white. There's
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a newer technique known to get these stand
out more. That is posterization. This process
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helps make light and dark tones more vibrant and
creating a higher contrast a comic like Brun did
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not want blue jean blue. He wanted black. The
image on the album cover is not a straight off
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Polaroid photo. Brun used several techniques
for the creativity of making this cover.
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Here we see a poster straightforward but this is
1973 Serpico. Now here's the photo posturized and
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this is the effect Brawn was looking for more
drama and contrast just to show you an example
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of what he was looking for at that moment. And
Bronn also included another technique called
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mezzotint line conversion. This is called a
basketball effect, like a dot matrix to put
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it simply. The closer the dots are, the darker
the area. So, plenty of thought and creativity,
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especially for 1970, went into his album cover.
Pretty ahead of its time. Inside the cover,
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we see Brun used color and on it is Billy name
stamp for Andy. Brawn wanted this to get Andy
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his due. And that is what the listener would open
up the album and realize, oh, this is Andy's art.
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Now, time to add the zipper, which was part of the
packaging design by Braraw. The working zipper,
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the real thing. He would go to the New York City
garment district, which was nearby, to talk to
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the VP at Tuloon Zippers. Brawn wanted these for
free. So, he tried to sell his pitch and as they
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would cost 5 cents each, and he needed a million
of them. So, that's about $50,000. He told the VP,
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"You're going to be known all over the world."
And the VP would say, "Why?" and Brun would say,
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'Well, you're giving me four and a half inch
zippers and they're going to be on every one of
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the Stones's new album. So, the VP says, "We're
already known." And Brun comes back and says,
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"Well, you'll be even known even more bigger."
Mr. Brawn, you don't understand our customers.
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They don't buy vinyl records. It's the garment
industry. No, I'm not going for that. So Brun
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had to search for more zippers and eventually he
found them at court zippers and the cost for them
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were 5 cents less than Talons. Workers who were
making the album and putting it together had to
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glue the zippers by hand. So costs did go up for
that. So unbuckle the belt, pull down the zipper,
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and you got underwear. Originally, they thought
of a tongue to be there, and Andy had an idea to
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place pubic hair instead. There was a myriad of
variations of this cover through many countries.
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Some even had different zipper styles. Rolling
Stones records need a quick alternative for Spain,
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one that would still apply a visual for Sticky.
We know Spain had an issue and censored the cover.
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Spain's General Franco had strict decency laws.
They would ban the crotch but keep the fingers
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coming out of a can of sweet and sticky golden
syrup resembling blood. The can called Fowlers's
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TAL, a British refined sugar company used for
baking. and Trael is the syrup. Spain would
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also censor the song Sister Morphine and have
it replaced with a live version of Let It Rock.
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It was designer John Pashache and photographer
Phil Jude. Phil later shooting the Goats Head
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Soup cover. Well, they created this new image.
Some would think the image was more obscene than
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the crotch shot. The Argentinian album would be
graced with a black opaque bag over it created
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by the record company there and everything was the
same inside. In Singapore and Malaysia, the album
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was not banned, but it was sold under the counter
and there was no promo display allowed. South
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Korea had issues. Also, the Stones tongue logo was
debuted on the lower left corner on the back side
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of the album and on the record label. Also, the
inner sleeve would proudly display a 6 and 1/2 in
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tongue. When I was 14 years old and I learned how
to silk screen in my graphic arts class in junior
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high school, this tongue was my first project to
get that logo onto a shirt and I wore it proudly.
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Marshall Chess was traveling in Amsterdam when
the Stones were there for their 70 Europe tour.
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October 9th, 1970 to be exact. More on this later,
but he'd stopped at a Shell Oil Gas station, and
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he was looking at the logo with nothing written
on it, but he knew what company it was just by the
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visual. He needed a logo that will represent the
Stones. No name on it, simple corporate branding.
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It was Joe Bergman, the Stone's personal assistant
and office manager that was pivotal in the Stones
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chaos time frame. She would push them in a forward
direction in 1970 during the Klein chaos. It was
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Joe that reached out to the Royal College of
Art looking for an artist, a recommendation.
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She asked for a student that could come up with a
tour poster for their upand cominging plan tour.
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the tour to promote get your yaya out. The
time frame of this search was approximately
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April 70. John Pash in his last year of school
and considered the resident poster bloke was
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recommended. Pash was asked to meet both Mick and
Joe at the Maddox Street office to discuss this.
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a fellow student called um Storm Ferguson who was
working with Pink Floyd at the time and he'd asked
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uh um a chap George Hardy who was in the same
class as me to draw up the artwork for Dark
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Side of the Moon. So I mean I was working on this
the Stones poster and he was he was working on
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um the Dark Side of the Moon image which I think's
one of the most iconic pieces of the era as well.
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commission that I had from the Rolling Stones was
when I was in my third year at the college and
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um the college received a phone call from the
Rolling Stones office asking if they could
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um suggest um a suitable student to work on a
tour poster which was going to be the 1970 tour
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poster for um Europe. and uh they um suggested
that I go along and uh have a meeting with
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uh Jagger Mc Jagger. So it was um which obviously
quite quite an experience. Um so I I went along to
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his offices in Maddock Street and um there was
his manager there Joe Bergman and just himself
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and we generally talked about um design and
art and uh we both found we had an interest
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in sort of 1930s and 40s uh tour posters.
The response when I did the first design
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um that I took him to McJagger to hopefully okay
um was a bit lukewarm actually. He uh he said that
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uh he thought that um I could do better. Um I
think it was possibly to do with the color and
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composition of the the one before. Um but um
I did in the second u finished um poster add
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um some more interesting elements. I think Concord
for one was um suddenly appearing in a sort of um
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a 1930s4s um uh tour poster if you like. Um but
I think what he liked about it was that it was
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getting away from what had been done before. In
other words, it wasn't necessarily a picture of
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the band on the road. It was to do with touring.
And I think that was um that was in line with the
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basic ideas that we talked about originally.
But um thankfully he he really liked the last
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uh version that I did and uh uh it went on to be
printed and uh I think it turned out to be quite a
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success for the band and uh it led on to the the
logo commission. There's proof here of a letter
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that Pash got in April 29th, 1970 confirming of
the design of the poster for the European tour,
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but also asking to create a logo or a symbol which
may be used on note paper at this time. They had a
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quick call Mick and Pash and he was asked to meet
Mick this time at his Cheney walk home to discuss
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this logo. So Mick mentions how they need a logo
or a symbol to be used on paper like a program or
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a press book, a branding image. Now this story
is well known but needed for this presentation.
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It was quite a short meeting really, but
he he presented me with a a cutting from a
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um it was actually something something he found
in a local um corner shop. It was um Indian um
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picture of the Ki goddess. The goddess with with
a sort of pointed tongue that came straight down
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and said, "This is the kind of thing that I'm
into. You know, I quite like this." Um and we
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talked about it and uh he said, "Well, I'll just
go away and and do something and come back and
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we talk some more." So I think it was um almost
really during that meeting that I just suddenly
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thought maybe use of a mouth, you know, I just
had uh an idea that that would be something to
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base some ideas for for and uh I went away and did
some uh drawings and um which were very similar to
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um what we we finished up with, but um just
variations really of angles and uh and uh tones
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and so on. And uh he really liked it and uh so
I I finished um finished one up as artwork and I
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think he went to show it to the rest of the band
and they said they were very happy with it and
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uh and uh I got my £50 which uh was
what I was paid uh paid for doing it.
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A lot of the artwork then uh was produced in
black and white and then um on on layers of film.
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So the different layers would be nominated um a
color and when it came to printing them it would
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then be printed in um red and um black instead of
the two layers of black which is on the artwork.
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And he would claim Mick's mouth was not at all an
inspiration, but maybe subconsciously. In 2015,
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Mick would say he had an Indian calendar on his
wall. Hindu was huge in the hippie culture in
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England. Calendars were all over in grocery
stores. I'm not clear at all on timeline and
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have found no concrete evidence when he
finished his draft, but he says it took
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about two weeks nonstop and it's copywritten
in 1970, probably late month, December maybe.
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Here's one of the crossovers. Both Marshall
Chess and Craig Brawn were childhood friends,
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and they were close and
communicating with each other.
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Uh, I'm working on the uh the mechanicals, you
know, getting the copy, legal copy, publishing,
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and all that stuff. And we're putting together the
album art. I'm putting together I I I brought the
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comps. I told you that that Marshall said we're
gonna go with the zipper. So that was it. So we
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started putting together these mechanicals.
They were multi-panled, huge, huge, you know,
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like 4T by 6 foot. Uh, and um, you know, special
sleeve, the whole thing. And I said, Marshall,
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this is their first release. So, is there
a logo? Do they have a logo? And he said,
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Mick's got some kid that goes to art school
over there, some art college or something. He
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told the kid, "It's not it's not really for
the logo for a record company." He told him,
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"You want something for programs or something,
you know?" Yeah. Match pads and stuff. He I said,
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"Probably because Mick doesn't want to pay more
than 10 pounds for the logo probably." So I said,
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"Uh I said, "So get it for me." He said, "I'm
not going to get between him and this kid
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because they've met two or three times and this
kid is working on it and Mick loves this kid."
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So I said, "Can you send me is there a sketch
or anything? Do you have?" He said, "Yeah,
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they made they gave me this black and white
sketch, but it's not the logo, but it's the
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idea just the idea that it's a tongue and lips.
That's that's it." So I said, "Can you send me
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that?" So he sends it to me on a thermofax
machine. It was already illegible before he
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So I called my studio guy and I said, "Come down."
I said, "This thing that you see, this little
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smudge here, this silhouette, I want you to blow
it up 12 in. We're going to try and decipher this.
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It's a tongue and lips thing and we're gonna try
and create one because I was in the mouth of the
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gun on this thing in terms of getting started with
the production and all the spotlights were on this
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first release for the Stones and Ahmed everybody
the whole industry was on it. It was just lit up
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like a Christmas tree. So now this image from John
triggered Brawn. He's seen this before. He knew
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the illustrator named Allan Aldridge. Allan who
worked on a Beatles illustrated song book in 1969.
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Uh there was an airbrush illustrator from England
named Alan Aldrich and he did a book called The
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Beatles Illustrated Lyrics. Oh wow. And that came
out about a year and a half before this project.
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And I remember that there was a song called Day
Tripper that was illustrated by him. Oh wow. And
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I used that for the inspiration really. Oh wow.
You know being being having no design background,
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I had to trust, you know, my my taste. Yeah. And
my perception. So here's what that day tripper
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looks like. Oh wow. That came out that came out
maybe a year and a half before the album. So I,
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you know, I I gave my guys that. I said, "Listen,
let this help you. Highlights on the tongue and
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the highlights on the lips and everything." Brun
remembered that on the page for Day Tripper,
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there was a picture of a girl licking a ice pop
with lips and teeth and a tongue. Aldridge did
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not counter anything about this. The book was well
known at that time. Allan worked on rock and roll
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circus. Very interesting timing here. Aldridge
was known to use Hindu art in his work. So,
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did he use Cali in his vision of the Beatles
Day Tripper Girl? There's so many unknowns.
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So Brawn gets his illustrator down to work on
this logo project. Ronn would get the illustrators
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Walter VZ and Tony Demicelli. So I said uh just
let's let's let's see what we can do. So they they
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started bringing sketches down to me. They had two
I had two illustrators doing working in tandem on
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the thing and I would say no no let's let's let's
make the throat deeper and and put this little
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notch in the center of the tongue and so we went
to about six or seven and I said we got it. Ah so
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I said so I said put it on into the mechanical
as though it's done. It's finished mechanical.
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Wow. I'm send it to London and we're going to get
the Stones and Marshall to okay it. So I call in
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this account guy that I had, Mark Finel. I said
I said, "Mark, you're on a mission. It's got to
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be a mission possible. The most important thing is
that you don't speak." Brun told a representative
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that if they say anything about the logo, just
tell them I don't know. Brun just told me to
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bring this to you. Don't even compliment this
logo. Just let them respond and review it. And
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as soon as they say it's okay, have them initial
it and get back on that [ __ ] plane. Brawn would
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have anxiety thinking of mixed response and not
approving it and cancelling the whole project. So
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the meeting happened. The rep called Brawn right
after and said, "I'm coming back. It's okay.
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Now, Brun mentions himself
that he got paid $300,000,
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but Bronn had to pay all of his team. It was
his company called Sound Packaging Corporation.
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So, did Pash create the first image? Bronn
enhanced it and gave it back to Pash,
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who created his image again. And when did
Pash add his colors of red and black? I can't
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be certain. It just goes back and forth
in my head. When my production guy says,
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"What what do we do about the UK?" And because
I said, "I don't want to light this thing up."
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Right. So call the production guy at WEIA and tell
him this kid is working on a logo that Mick wants
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and they don't use inner sleeves there. They their
their jackets are sleeves. No, that's right. They
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call an album jacket a sleeve. So I said, "Tell
them the to to do an insert, you know, with the
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tune lineup and the credits on one side and the
logo on the other." And no, the logo and the tune
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lineup on one side and the other side. Use the
photograph, this photograph that I put on it. Ah,
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so on the other side of the insert. So here's the
logo that I that I did. Yeah, it's beautiful. I
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would say I did in collaboration with my people.
Yeah, that's the logo. So here's the stroke of
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unfair irony to John Pash. Pash would get 50
for his original logo. And 200 pounds later,
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we now come to the third artist, graphic designer
that was involved. Ernie Sephilu claims ownership
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to the original design early February 71. Sephilu
graduated art school in ' 69 and he went to New
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York City to work for Madison Avenue. He worked
for a small agency and he worked with their top
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client, International Paper Company. And he
was on a small project called Dolls Alive.
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International Paper Company had a huge 500
salesperson meeting at the Roosevelt Hotel in
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New York City. Sephilu's company was responsible
to create the theme for this meeting along with
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the entertainment for all. They put together a
rockets show type with singers and dancers. They
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would write 10 original songs with the lyrics
about paper. Oh, I'm just wild about paper. I'm
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like a child about paper. They would create an
album for this event and Ernie was the one to
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create the label design used on this album. They
would press 500 records and hand this out to the
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International Paper Company and the salespeople.
Now, this concept won some awards for Ernie.
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Now with this on his resume, he moves on to a
bigger one, Norma Levit. Deca was their account.
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Ernie worked on the Jesus Christ Superstar album.
After this, he went to sign up with another
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agency. He had to show him his credentials.
And after showing Jesus Christ Superstar,
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he then said, "Oh yeah, I do have this project
also, Dolls Alive." uh is the first usage that I
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did of the tongue of the uh of the lips. And when
I was in this in this meeting showing my work,
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the guy that owned the agency was he just sort
of kept looking at this and we're I had all this
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work spread out. He kept looking at this and
he said, "You know, I right now I'm doing a
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uh I got an assignment to do the Rolling Stones
logo and and we're sort of we've been trying. We
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haven't come up with anything." He said, "I really
like these lips," he said. and he took a piece
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of paper off his desk and luckily I was the paper
got stuck in with a bunch of other stuff and and I
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kept it. But he said, you know, this is right off
his he took a pen. He said, you know, if you take
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your lips and you draw a tongue on the outside of
this, I think I could sell this to Marshall Chess,
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who's the manager of the Rolling Stones. At this
time, Brun's creative director got seriously ill.
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And it was really serendipitous for Ernie with
this timing. and said, "If you could go upstairs
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and draw me one with the tongue outside and the
lips like that, I think I could sell this as it."
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Yeah. As the um as a logo for the stones. So, I
went upstairs and I sort of took what he did. I
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took what I had done a year earlier and I created
I did a rough sketch of this again, which I didn't
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get a chance to do, but it was tighter than this.
And I went in and showed it to him. He said,
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"Okay, great. You know, wait here. I'm going to
go. I have a meeting." And Ernie says Braun told
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him just to wait here in the office while he goes
to Andy's studio nearby. That's where Marshall was
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at this time. And he showed Marshall and Marshall
loved it and kept the sketch. This time frame was
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around February 71. Came back a couple hours
later and I'm still there. And he goes, "Okay,
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man. You got a job. You get 200 bucks and uh you
just designed the logo for this for the stones."
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So I was I was really pretty month or two. I just
did this logo on everything that you could think
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of because what happened was Craig got the the
merchandising rights for this logo. He gave the
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logo to the stones for nothing and he got the
exclusive merchandising rights for one year. So
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we did everything shirts, posters. I mean it did
these beautiful foil posters that were diecut in
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that shape with foil and white and black which was
a more stylized version of what I had done. But I
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actually honestly I like what he did better than
what I did because I think that he gave it mine is
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very stiff. Mine is very stiff and kind of stayed
and kind of but original original but kind of
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stayed and it doesn't have any the stones are very
animated. You know MC Jagger is a very animated
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guy. If you had to describe him in one word it
would be I wanted to do it straight cuz that's
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what you do when everything's symmetrical. But I
knew enough to throw it off so that it would catch
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your eye. But what John Bashet did so brilliantly
was take it and make it animated. This is more
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like this has more movement and more attitude in
my opinion. And what year? This was done uh this
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was mine was done at the uh in February of 71 and
his was done I think a few months later. But what
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happened was I there's so many headscratching here
as far as timing, who's saying what, who did what,
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as they all have similarities in visual and color.
Now Ernie says it was his design that was given to
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Pash. Then Pash did his final version. That's
what he says. Ernie has many YouTube videos
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on this topic with interviews and he's very
vocal about it. So, we got John Pash a logo
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considered the original and it's used for 71 for
the VIP passes at the Marquee 71 show and the UK
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and international sleeve design of sticky fingers.
Craig Brawn and his team did the packaging design,
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refined the tongue and used it on the US sleeve
design. Ernie Sephilu, part of Brun's company,
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he added a version of this tongue logo. It was
used for merchandising like keychains, shirts and
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also badges and pins. And it was used under bronze
rock creations rock creation company. This company
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was bronze. It was used for merchandise licensing.
That logo that you saw on my sleeve. Yeah. Well,
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it was it was early it was it was in early April
and this and the UK version came out in May. Yeah.
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But whoever was in charge of like choosing
a default logo between the two of them, they
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all wanted this logo that I did, right? They all
wanted it and they used it for everything for the
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road, for the tours, for the advertising, all the
merchandising. They sell I don't know $300 million
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a year in merchandising that logo to use. And
guess what? I never got a hapony in England. That
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means a half a penny. I used to say to people back
then, I said, you know, this logo, this could be
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as big as the Playboy logo someday. Right. Right.
The Playboy logo is nothing compared to this logo.
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Yeah. Now, I'm not going to go down this rabbit
hole, but there is a tongue logo license and is
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under Mousidor Envy, an Amsterdam based company.
It was founded by the Stones to manage their
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intellectual property, the logo, trademarks, and
portrait rights. What they did was they would
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fight the counterfeits and the fakes and protect
the stones. This is interesting. This is from Bill
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Wyman's website. The 3rd of March, John designed
Stone's tongue logo. Brawn did not get paid for
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this version of the lips and tongue logo, but
was allowed licensing of the logo through Rock
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Creations for 3 years till 74. That's all the
key rings, jewelry, belt buckles, pins, badges,
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watches, bags with his licks logo. John sold his
copyrights to the Stones for £26,000 in early
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the8s. He did continue after Sticky, making great
contributions to rock and roll and the Stones.
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Ernie created a company called
Pacific Eye and Ear. They became
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a premier source for album design
concepts, imagery, lettering, logo,
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and packaging from 1972 to 86. Ernie would go
on to have a fabulous career. Here you could
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see just a few of the showings. His archives
are worth to check out. He did a great job.
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And Brun continues, "Greg made album packaging
as a dramatic sensory experience. He also
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collaborated with plenty of others. Here you see
some examples of the early '7s work heated to.
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So when you compare the three lips and tongue
logos, John, you see had a shorter and wider
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tongue, it's not as defined. It was not the go-to
logo, but he said to be the designer of it. Bronn
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would have the tongue elongated, added black
shadowing to the highlights, the throat, added
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another white highlight on the tongue, and a black
outline around the whole image. Given direction
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from Brun, Sephlu would have his alterations done
with a wider mouth and the teeth are more defined.
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And inside the mouth shows more black and the
black line going down the middle of the tongue.
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It's thicker, always reminding me of tonsils. And
Ernie is also two-dimensional looking, not enough
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depth. Regarding Sephilo, he's always questioned
about his varying accounts of the timeline. Now,
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the flow of the creation of the tongue, you
would say the Jagger really initiated it,
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followed by Pache and Brawn. But if you really
got to come down to it, this creation is Pache,
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Bronn, Sephilu, VZ, the Missile, Aldridge, and
Mick. They should be considered contributors to
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this collaboration. And nobody remembers
which Cali image was used for Mick. Brun
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expanded this Sticky Fingers album from a two
to three-dimensional look. Not just for Sticky,
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but for others. He broke barriers,
allowing fans to engage with the product.
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In July the 8th and 9th, Mick would work with
Dr. John at his studio sessions at Trident.
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This was for his album, The Sun, The Moon,
and Herbs. Mick would sing backing vocals on
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this track. Where you at, mule? A typical New
Orleans blues feel. I strain though and cannot
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hear Mick. Clapton Car Randall, Graham Bond,
Bobby Keys, Jim Price would play on it also.
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Did you have a producer on this album or did
you do that aspect of yourself? Uh, well,
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some of the tracks were produced by Jimmy.
Some of them we did ourselves. Some of them
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urges engineering on. Jimmy did a lot of work on
it. Didn't do all the tracks. Did you do this one
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in the country or did you do the studio? All
over the place. Yeah. Mhm. We did it uh we
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did it in the country with a mobile unit. We've
got some of them uh some of them we do Olympic,
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some we do in America, some are quite Where did
you work in states? We can say that we um Muscle
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Shells. We did three tracks in Muscle Shells a
long while ago which we were going to bring out
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as a singer but then we changed our minds which
are Brown Sugar Wild Horses and You Got to Move.
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We just saved them for this album. What else? It
was between July 20th and 29th, the Stones made a
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formal notification to Deca. They were finished
with their relationship and label considered to
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be a Stones Independence Day, but at a cost. They
fulfilled their DECA contractual obligation and
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client control publishing with APCO songs from
63 to 70. The Stones would find out painfully
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that Klein's contracts left him with the lasting
financial leverage and it was apparent he won out
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if it's all right applying yourself to it. You
said that for instance uh motion pictures now you
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found that analysis is much more important than I
know about really about movies or acting. I mean,
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it would be absurd for me to talk at any length
about either. Is there such a thing as a natural
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actor? A person who is observant enough to
Yeah, I should think so. Do you think you're
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that sort of a person? I don't know. I might
be. You're working with a group of young people,
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aren't you? Yeah. The director, the producer,
everyone has kind of a young approach. Is it a
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is there a camaraderie that is very helpful here?
Disorganization. No, I know them sort of thing.
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which I'm not sure whether that's helpful or
not because I haven't made enough movies to
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know whether it's groovy if you know the director
personally maybe isn't in some ways cuz I can say
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ah come on the whole psychedelic thing and the
the uh approach to your kind of music is based
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upon love and gentleness and understanding
is it not true I don't think so because this
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motion picture and I guess the slash behind it
shows some of the violence that is involved here
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right yeah it's violent I don't think our music
is um is very peaceful. We never try to make it
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peaceful. Only very occasionally when one feels
in a peaceful sort of frame of mind, which is
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very rare. You're frequently in protest against
the harsh qualities of life though, aren't you?
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Just protest against things you see in people and
in yourself, you know, that you don't like. You
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have to get rid of. Are drugs, marijuana, uh,
LST so forth necessary to the approach to your
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way of life? No, completely unnecessary. Are they?
You don't need to take any kind of drugs at all,
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but I mean, you can do. Have you you've been
involved kill yourself if you'd like. You've
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been involved in in the campaigns for legalization
of marijuana, have you? No, never been involved in
544
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:06,000
any campaign to legalize anything. Are you in
favor of it? of of legal legalizing marijuana.
545
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:11,680
I can't see why you should put people in jail
for smoking it. But, you know, there's so many
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01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:17,520
hassles and problems, but I think I don't really
like laws like you can't do this or that. I mean,
547
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:23,760
you can't drink at 2:00 or smoke marijuana at 6:00
or sell tinned food on Sundays. Are we Are you
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01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:32,800
optimistic about the future? Terribly. And about
the future of performance? Terribly. the motion
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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:40,720
picture performance MC Jagger and we're in London.
Thank you very much. Thank you. August 3rd is when
550
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:48,880
Mick's movie performance was released in the US.
It was taking a long while to release. The film
551
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:57,680
had both British and American sensors. They were
worried about it being X-rated or just to ban it.
552
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:06,720
They had to edit out some of the scenes. Now,
it was still an X rating in the UK in January
553
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:16,800
of 71. They ended up having to edit out scenes of
the film and reorder them just to make it work.
554
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:25,520
Since 1888, a British charity was founded to
help poor children who were seriously sick
555
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:32,880
or physically handicapped. It was called the
Invalid Children's AIDS Association. So why
556
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:40,000
am I mentioning this? Instead of attending
the US premiere August 3rd for performance,
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01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:47,440
Mick attended a public event in Chester Square for
this charity. He was showing support and he also
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01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:56,160
presented a raffle prize. Going to take a step
back to March 70. It was in March that the Stones
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01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:05,360
were laying out their 1970 schedule and plans and
confirming the steps to move ahead. A tourist plan
560
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:12,000
for Europe and they have internal talks about
which cities to go to. They start communicating
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01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:19,920
with tour managers, booking agents to find
venues and the logistics. Also, at that time,
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they were initiating their plans to part ways
with Klein and Teka and make sure the legal side
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01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:36,240
of this tour is not tainted by them and to build
a new company. In April of 70, they were narrowing
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down a draft of tentative cities and venues.
Also, they discussed ticketing, the regulations,
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01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:53,600
stage setups with the European promoters. In May
of 70, the Stones management officially informs
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promoters the dates and the logistics. They decide
July is a good time to start rehearsals and the
567
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:23,040
set list is a hot topic as they're releasing
Get Your Yaya Out on September 4th, 1970.
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01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:30,400
In June, the venues are decided, completed,
contract signed. They need a rehearsal time and
569
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location. The tour dates are publicly announced.
And to let the fans know, the primary work was
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done locally through press and fan magazines. The
stage and sound system is also organized. In July,
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01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:54,800
promotional items are organized for the tour.
final rehearsals, hotel equipment being shipped
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01:18:54,800 --> 01:19:04,080
are all confirmed and in action. They rehearsed
in several locations August 5th to the 29th. One
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01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:11,440
of the locations was about a half hour south of
London in Mortyn Surrey. The actual rehearsal
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01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:19,440
locations not really identified 100%. They also
rehearsed in London. That would be in Burmanzi,
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01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:25,200
London. If you remember in ' 68, they
purchased or they leased a warehouse,
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01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:34,080
47 Burmanzi Street. They use this during the Let
It Bleed sessions. Here is some footage inside
577
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:41,280
the rehearsal studio with Brian. This is from
Catching Fire, the story of Anita Palenberg,
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01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:49,920
late 68. August 27th and 28th in central
London. They would also rehearse at the
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01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:59,040
LYSM theater. A huge step is hiring Bobby and
Jimmy on horns. They were busy with Derek and
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01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:08,960
the Dominoes, but that fell apart. And
the logo was not used for the 70 tour.
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01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,760
I feel it's very important to stay in the world
and do things. But on the other hand, death and
582
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:22,080
dreams are another thing that if I really that's
what I really like to do is just go off there. Off
583
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:29,680
where? Into death. But you can't do that. It's
very wrong to take to make your own death. Your
584
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:38,320
death is is when you get it. But it I think it's
a it's a beautiful thing that it's such a relief.
585
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:45,680
I mean, just imagine if there wasn't any death.
Now, before we go into the European tour, it's
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time to bring in the song that's been in the oven
for a bit. Sister Morphine, written in 1968 and
587
01:20:53,200 --> 01:21:02,720
69. Maryanne felt her pop songs and lyric writing
had left her, and after 67, she lost interest.
588
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:09,840
She did admit she was envious of Mick and Keith
and their progress. She'd wanted an attempt to
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01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:17,760
make a new song. Now, with Maryanne at this
time, she only tried heroine once. Now, when
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01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:24,800
she wrote the lyrics, she was not a junkie. In her
autobiography, she would say the lyrics were in
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01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:32,400
her head. She thought deeply about her feelings,
about what it might be like as an addict.
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01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:42,640
Sister Morphe. When I sing it, I actually
have a visual in my head and I see it's like
593
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:52,800
um bits from my own sort of movie in my
mind. I I hear the ambulance. Whenever I
594
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:57,680
sing the line about the ambulance, I have
this this sort of feeling and this picture
595
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:04,160
of hearing it and being driven to hospital.
But I obviously couldn't hear it because I
596
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:12,800
was unconscious. Mick Jagger had this song as
a tune. He was playing it in the house when
597
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:22,480
we lived together and it had no words. And then
one day I just decided I was going to write it.
598
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:31,200
You see that my pain is story of a
man who had a terrible car accident
599
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:43,120
and he's dying. He's in tremendous pain.
The lyrics are being presented to a nurse.
600
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:54,080
All the other patient say they've never seen a
man with such pain. In her book, she hits the
601
01:22:54,080 --> 01:23:01,120
nail on the head regarding lyric interpretation.
She says, "You have to be careful what you write
602
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:09,360
down because it's a gateway and whatever it is
you've summed up may come through." It happened
603
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:18,240
with Mick and Keith. Maryanne started her lyric
writing in Rome, Italy early 68 with Mick, Keith,
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01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:27,840
and Anita. She was doing her experimentation with
opiates and sedatives. Mick was constantly playing
605
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:35,840
a riff there he had in his head for the last 6
months on acoustic. He was not sure lyrically
606
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:44,000
where it could go. The song was in a minor and
those who know about chords know that this chord
607
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:50,640
leads to a sad and dramatic song. The chord
structure Mick was playing built a story for
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01:23:50,640 --> 01:24:00,000
Maryanne in her head. She claims that the 17th
century English poet John Milton's lysus story
609
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:06,480
that had inspired her. a poem about the death of
his friend that drowned when a ship sank in the
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01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:15,920
Irish Sea in 1637. Maryanne mentions that she was
playing a lot of Velvet Underground continuously
611
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:25,120
and believe this sunk in on her head for
inspiration drug references and its implications.
612
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:32,720
What has always stuck in my mind was why use
the word with sister and morphine? The Greek
613
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:40,080
god Morpheus is the god of dreams or sleep. Does
it mean that it's the nurse? She the sister that
614
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:47,120
soothes the patient in pain and feeling he's
dying. There's something Edgar Allan Poe about
615
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:55,840
it. Dark. It's almost romantic in its sadness. But
Sister Morphine, it's not just a gothic drama. It
616
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:05,680
feels intimate, painful, like someone is quietly
asking for an end. As usual, the lyrics can be
617
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:13,040
interpreted in several ways, but chalk it up for
Maryanne, hitting this one on the gothic head. One
618
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:20,240
that is a sombering listen to and not played
at a festive family holiday dinner for sure.
619
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Now let me confirm some fabrication for the line
all the clean white sheets stain red. This was
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01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:37,040
written in July 68 approximately. It does not have
to do with Anita Palenberg on their Brazil trip
621
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:46,400
later in December 68 where they thought Anita was
seasick but found out she was pregnant with Marlin
622
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:54,800
and ending up to have a doctor visit her when they
got to Rio. This line was part of the original
623
01:25:54,800 --> 01:26:04,240
song. Maryanne's lyrics just came out smoothly as
Mick wrote the music. Mick did encourage Maryanne
624
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:12,160
to keep making albums during the beggar sessions.
Now before some purists insist and say how Mick
625
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:18,800
says how she wrote a couple of the lines
and not sure which ones, it is generally
626
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:29,360
believed Maryanne expanded on certain lyrics of
mix. More to follow on these thoughts though.
627
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:35,120
In July of ' 68, when the Stones were working
on the beggar sessions, Mick took the time out
628
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:45,120
in LA to gather Charlie, Ry Cudter, Jack Nichi
to record Sister Morphine at Electra Studios.
629
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:51,440
It was an instrumental version. And note
who is on bass and a mistake often made,
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01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:58,800
Bill would do overdubs for his bass portion for
the Stones version. And in Rock and Roll Circus,
631
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:09,280
December 11th and 12th, 1968, Maryanne was to sing
Sister Morphine as a promo, but it was declared
632
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:16,000
that the song was just too risky to play. So,
Maryanne would sing Something Better instead for
633
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:25,280
her single. Maryanne and Mick would do the final
vocal overdubs early 69 at Olympic in London.
634
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:33,280
So, a release single, Something Better in the
Bside Sister Morphe in February of 69. It was
635
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:41,440
out only for two days. Deca had a panic attack
and it freaked out and pulled it off the shelves.
636
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:48,160
Maryanne got no explanation or apology and Mick
would visit the head, Sir Edward Lewis, and give
637
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:57,040
his thoughts. Mick got nowhere. It was found out
that Deca pulled it due to a drug reference. Must
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01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:02,960
have been secondary complaint as why was it
given an approval for a release and get the
639
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:10,960
go-ahad? Needless to say, Maryanne not only had a
devastation in November of ' 68 of a miscarriage,
640
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:17,440
but now this. This single was to be jointly
combined with her greatest hits album that
641
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:23,920
was going to be released during ' 69. Sister
morphine was put on the aside in some countries
642
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:33,600
like Holland, Italy and Japan. And again, it
was written out of my direct experience. Um,
643
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:39,840
and it's the direct experience that gets
me through it because I know I can sing
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01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:49,520
sister morphine. I wrote it. It belongs
to me. I I it's part of my my stuff.
645
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,480
We have here a version that
the Stones made February or
646
01:28:56,480 --> 01:29:03,440
March in 69 at Olympic. And we get
a lyric difference the second line
647
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:12,480
which Mick in this early version
pleads please instead of tell me.
648
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:19,040
I am coming round again.
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01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:26,240
Oh, I don't think I could wait that long.
650
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:30,800
This version, you'll clearly hear
Keith taking over with the guitar,
651
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:39,440
not Mick. We hear Nichi's piano come in on this
second verse. As you'll see on the right side,
652
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:47,600
a verse that's not included in the studio cut,
but was played here and Maryanne did include it.
653
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:57,840
All the other patients said
never seen a man with such pain.
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01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:05,440
Tell me sister M when are you coming round again?
655
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:20,720
Rye comes in in the scream of the
ambulance and Bill's base. Also,
656
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:31,360
the scream of the ambulance is sounding in my ear.
657
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:42,400
Hey, Sister M. How long have I been lying here?
658
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:52,880
No reverb yet. It's very dry. Some
of mix enunciations are not made yet.
659
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:58,240
And just when we hear just goes to show
you, we hear Charlie for the first time.
660
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:09,520
It just goes to show things
are not what they seem.
661
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:19,200
Hey sister turn my nightmare into dreams
662
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:27,360
for the sweet cousin line. He does say please
instead of sweet. Mick says, "Lay your cool
663
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:41,600
hands on my head." Does not say hand. Just
some very subtle differences here. Please
664
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:48,720
lay your hands on my head. This was
the Stone's first shot at the song,
665
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:52,640
leaving it unfinished and shelved.
666
01:31:53,840 --> 01:32:00,480
Us deep fans can just shake our head in awe of
this early take. It's not certain who brought
667
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:07,920
or suggested this song to be resurrected for
Sticky Sessions, but the song's full presentation
668
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:16,240
and its demeanor fits the package and direction
that they were headed for. The song spans March
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01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:26,880
70 to March 71 in the timeline. At Olympic in
March to May 1970 is when they open the door to
670
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:34,160
it again. Mick was working on his vocals.
Keith overdubbing with acoustic. The song
671
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:42,000
arrangement and structure is given a refinement
and Jimmy Miller starts planning his ideas for it.
672
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:49,520
In June to July, still at Olympic,
they did similar refinement, editing,
673
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:56,640
and figuring out how to layer what was
needed, the mixing ideas. In October,
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01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,280
in the fall, the final arrangements and
deciding that this one's a keeper for the
675
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:11,680
album. January to March in 71, the final stages
of cleanup, mixing, and maintaining the song.
676
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:29,840
You see the song's first 57 seconds
have Mick and Keith. Then we hear Ry,
677
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:41,280
the scream of the ambulance. At the 105 mark when
Mick lengthens scream of the ambulance giving us
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01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:50,720
an enhancement of this mechanical warning horn as
Ry interplays with Mick. At 125 comes Bill and we
679
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:59,440
hear the chilling line, "Why does the doctor have
no face?" which perfectly captures a druginduced
680
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:12,560
hallucinatory delirium. Why does the doctor have
your face? One of the best lines of this song. It
681
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:21,280
gives you such a visual. At 204, I always thought
he was saying, "I'm not trying to scold." Yes,
682
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:30,720
it's trying to score. Makes sense now, especially
with the reverb at the end. I'm trying to score.
683
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:38,480
But this displays Jimmy and the band's
brilliance. 212 we get Charlie first bass
684
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:47,680
drum and he continues on. But let us address
that white elephant at 217 mark. The sound I
685
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:55,440
really just accepted but I never question.
What is this? Yeah, it's that sound behind
686
01:34:55,440 --> 01:35:06,960
the slide. The one you hear. Yes, that
one. But you can't describe what it is.
687
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:15,840
It adds another Jimmy Miller superior layer to
this esoteric feel of the song. I found deep in
688
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:23,440
the heart of geekness. The sound source instrument
is most likely a piano, but it's pulled through
689
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:32,480
an echo plate reverb. It's called a wet signal.
It's generated by Jack's piano post production.
690
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:40,000
I talk about the echo plate in my part two. It
gives some eerie sounds and I always had put it
691
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:57,120
aside. It really is the true sinister injection
of this song. Aside from the eerie ry slide,
692
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:12,240
the echo play piano reverb is heard clearly at
350 right after cocaine and then continues on.
693
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:22,400
Sweet cousin cocaine lay a coo hand on the head.
694
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:36,400
Is this a mixed mistake that
he caught himself at 4:31?
695
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:53,920
And that outro is wonderful. A
jam and Charlie driving it all.
696
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:59,280
The song is a masterpiece like they
all are. I'm going to end with some
697
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:05,040
deconstructing and I think you
will enjoy the sounds of these.
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01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:28,320
Heat. Heat.
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01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,560
Hey,
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01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:51,840
hey,
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01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,960
hey.
702
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:17,360
Heat. Heat.
703
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:37,600
Heat. Heat.
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01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:48,640
in my heart little bit.
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01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:59,680
Tell me sister when I coming around again.
706
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:11,840
Oh, and I don't think I can wait that
long. And I know in the morning I'll be
707
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:27,120
there. Yeah. And you can sit around. Yeah. And
you can watch all the clean white sheets stay.
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01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:33,600
That brings closure to Sticky Fingers part
four. Part five will continue on with the
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01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:41,360
Europe tour. the recordings in the fall
and a few of the songs left for the album,
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01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:56,160
the UK tour, the release of the
album. We'll see you next time.
711
01:39:56,160 --> 01:40:12,480
Oh,
712
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:18,960
heat,
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01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,320
heat.
714
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:32,720
Heat. Heat.
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01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:43,920
do
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01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:48,640
it all around you.88349
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