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I was a kid the first time I
saw Clint he was the cowboy
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you know the tall laconic kind of tough
Cowboy an admirable heroic figure a guy
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with a gun and a mission you know
this is something that he owns So
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majestically Clintwood is the abstracted essence
of the American hero the personification of
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the Great Western of the American all the
things we think we all are would like to
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be there's very few people that you can put
in Boots and a hat that the audience buys as
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a cowboy character Clintwood embodies the West a
man a few words stoic very tough he just seemed
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to have you know the thousand yard thereare
of a guy who shot too many guys it was great
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to sit in the theater and eat your popcorn
and watch him just selflessly shoot all these
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bad guys and and keep our streets safe Clint
was a student of John Ford and John Wayne he
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took the best of each of those two and
he took that to the next level [Music]
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as a child of the West California born and
bred kennywood's love for Western started
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early when I was a kid I liked um westerns a
lot I grew up uh watching uh Gary Cooper and
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Joel McCrae and Randolph Scott Eastwood's
first Big Break was playing Rowdy Yates on
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the television series Rawhide the part
fit him like a well-worn pair of boots
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when we did Rawhide which was the first steady job
I ever had as an actor it seemed like everybody
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thought I was the natural to be in it for some
reason I guess because I was a you know sort of a
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rangy kid hanging around the back lot of universal
and the secretaries around the lot used to call me
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Coupe you know as a nickname so I guess they
thought they had that Gary Cooper corrective
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shoes on or something like that and I was looking
rather looking rather awkward but the era of Gary
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Cooper was over after Decades of reliable success
Hollywood westerns were now dead at the box office
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it took a Maverick Italian filmmaker named Sergio
Leon to rejuvenate the genre having already been
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turned down by Henry Fonda James cobor and Charles
Bronson Leone offered the lead role in his new
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Western to the rangy kid from rahy they sent the
script to my agent and said does would Clint want
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to do an Italian Spanish German co-production
of a Japanese Samurai story into a western and I
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said not particularly so he reads this thing it's
very wordy it explains everything and it has lots
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of problems with it but there's something there
it's basically a transposition of kurosawa's movie
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yimbo the samurai film into a western setting and
that's unusual I was a huge fan of Yojimbo and so
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when I uh started reading the script and realized
it was Yojimbo I said yeah I'll I'll I'll do it
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even though it was a very small production I
I didn't know Leone he wasn't very well known
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he'd only made one [Music] picture Sergio Leone's
films were a new kind of Western and they inspired
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Eastwood to break some new ground of his own I
had always wanted to be a film director when I
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went to Italy I kind of got reins stilled uh a
little bit because Leone was very uh free and
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I thought yeah I'd like to do this someday
Eastwood's first Western as a director paid
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homage to the genre's past and to his mentor the
film was High Plains Drifter I've always seen High
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Plains Drifter as kind of his investing in living
in the Italian form and taking the Reigns from
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those he had been learning from and whose films
he had been in and making honestly an Italian
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Western who are you and there's a very interesting
press still for high Plaines Drifter which has
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Clint Eastwood and he's standing there in his
frock coat and he's leaning on a gravestone and
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on the gravestone it says Donald seagull and the
gravestone next to it says Leone he's saying those
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are my two mentors and I'm saying goodbye to them
I'm now on my own having established himself as a
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western director in his own right Eastwood's next
film cemented a reputation that would only grow
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in the years to come Josie Wales the moment for me
when Eastwood pops into kind of his own brand and
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his own complete idea of what a western could
be is Outlaw Josie Wales I kind of think with
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Josie Wales that Clint had escaped the shadow of
Leon in some ways I don't know it just feels like
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a Clint movie to me it feels like Clint's Western
why you going to pull those pistols and whistle
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Dixie The Outlaw Jersey Wales begins
as if it's going to be a traditional
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Revenge Western his wife and
son are massacred by the red
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legs I don't think I'll ever forget that
opening it's so economical and fast and
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brutal the Man's family getting completely wiped
out murdered burned alive you can't imagine any
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man recovering from that loss and I think the
question he poses at the front of that picture
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is can a man survive that loss and what do you
become it may seem like a cliche to start a movie
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with a guy loses everything he has his family
and then for the rest of the life he's going to
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make up for it bad movies do that badly and good
movies can take that theme and try to find the
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humanity in it the level of understanding that
goes with that kind of loss rain's giving us the
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it in Eastwood's hands this well-worn Western
theme became a deceptively complex tale of
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redemption and Reconciliation instead of it being
a bloodthirsty Revenge Weston it's about someone
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who says I don't want nobody depending on me
she's not going to Mexico with us with us now
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wait a minute I got you a horse you're on your
own now here's where completely subverts Western
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conventional storytelling most westerns if you
break them down if you analyze them are about a
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character or a group of characters who have death
nipping at their heels I hope you die that'll be
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the day and they'll either Embrace death at the
end or or buy some clever means avoid death Josie
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Wales turns that Paradigm on its ear it reverses
it here's a guy who goes out to seek death and
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life won't leave him alone life keeps nipping at
his heel you're all alone now whales not quite
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alone he's trying to be alone and wants to be
left alone but the more he travels the more people
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gather around him even a dog dog he picks up at
one point and the dog keeps following him and he
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spits this W of tobacco hits the dog between the
and the dog comes back wagging its tail he can't
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even get rid of the dog you might as well ride
along with us H everybody else is at the end he
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has a he has kind of a whole family that is
built around him and he's stuck with it and
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slowly as he goes on his Odyssey he he understands
what responsibility is so by the end he's become
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the father of this extended family it's like
Frank AA made a western to me you know filtered
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through Clint Eastwood's greedy sensibilities but
it's almost like a Frank kaer Western having been
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raised on the films of John Ford and Howard
Hawks and inspired by the boldness of Sergio
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Leone Eastwood had begun to reinvent the Western
in his own image I think of Clint Eastwood as kind
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of the uniting force that kind of emerges from
the spaghetti western comes back to this country
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takes up the the lines that were coming from Allan
lad and John Wayne and connects them to the kind
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of urgency of the films coming out of Europe and
the way he guided the rest of us in what a western
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could be was in being proud of both sides Eastwood
also brought to the screen a new kind of Western
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hero a complex character with more ambiguity than
most of the men portrayed by James Stewart or John
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Wayne I know Don seagull when he did the shooter
he he told John Wayne he was asking him says you
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come in you see the guy in the mirror and then
you shoot him and then and you come around and
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you crawl down the bar and then you come up and
the other guy is there and he says and you shoot
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him right in the back and he said there was
a long pause this is Don seagull telling me
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this story and he said a long pause and he said
John Wayne turned to him and said he says I don't
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shoot anyone in that back you know and he goes
oh and Don made the biggest error he could have
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ever made after that he said well well Clint
would have would shoot him right in the back
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and and he said John Wayne got his r as a beat he
was ready to kill him at that particular point he
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says I don't give a goddamn what that kid's doing
he just say you know and and it it went off and
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he had a had good laugh telling the story for
years after that Eastwood's willingness to play
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characters of questionable virtue was on full
display in his next we Western pale Ryder pale
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ryer was a movie we did in 1984 it was a movie
that had some of the elements of the serg leion
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movies where Clint played sort of this preacher
with no name well in pale ryer the the character
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is uh another ambiguous character coming down out
of the mountains much like the High Plains Drifter
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one of the things that struck me about pale Ryder
was the confidence that Eastwood keeps developing
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in his style of film making and I think that
there's a kind of greater and greater economy
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less of an effort to wow with a shot Pale
Rider signals for me and it's kind of almost
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a preparatory work for Unforgiven in which it's
kind of it's the refining of this style which I
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think he will then kind of hit completely out
of the park I'm heading up north in through
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neera up to Wyoming going to kill a couple
of no good Cowboys for what for cutting up a
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lady Unforgiven was one of the real Great
surprises when I I read that as a script it
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was um it was extremely well written uh and
it was very different but the time I thought
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this would be a great script for me to do when
I'm just a little bit older and finally at the
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end of the 80s I thought I think I'd better
revisit that so I I pulled it out and reread
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it and it was still as good as ever Ned you
remember that drover I shot through the mouth
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his teeth came out the back of
his head I think about him now and
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again he didn't do anything to deserve to get
shot if you see the The Arc of uh American
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movie Western Good Guys the white hats bad guys
and the black hats that whole thing has gone all
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the way up to Unforgiven where characters are
not quite so cut and DED in terms of good and
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bad everybody had a purpose and everybody had an
interest in something else and uh so nobody was a
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villain outright they were just villains because
of circumstances the Jee Hackman character was
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written so well I mean he was a violent guy I
guess you think I'm kicking you bop but he was
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a guy who just wanted Comfort he just wanted
to have a nice retir the Jee Hackman character
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wasn't a buffoon he was a very tough guy right
to the end and westerns and the heroics that go
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with them never suffer when the bad guy is strong
well I ain't gonna hurt no woman I'm going to hurt
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you not gentle like before but bad I sore I I
would never be involved in a picture uh with
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this much violence in it but the more I read
it and the more I I I came to understand the
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the purpose of the film The more fascinated
I became with with with this idea more than
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perhaps any Western before it no Unforgiven
presents an unflinching look at the cost
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of violence on those who perpetrate
it it's a hell of a thing killing a
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man he take away all he's got and all he's ever
going to have we don't don't often want to deal
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with those themes you know too often the bad
westerns people just they move on and everything's
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happy and it's not you're marked with the killing
of another human being it marks you forever coming
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out of the tradition of the American Western which
reflected America in the first half of the century
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he seems to be tackling what is ultimately the
truth about it and Unforgiven The Marvelous
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thing about the picture was that he's actually
looking back at his own past and John Wayne's past
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and the other Western pasts and blowing it us
under and saying you know the West was never
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really like that this picture in a strange way
debunks it all there's something about kind of
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the nihilistic aspect of it that was like I mean
he's telling everybody he's going to like you know
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come back and murder their whole family you know
I mean it's like and this is the hero of the of
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the peace you better not cut up no otherwise harm
no [ __ ] we're all come back and kill every one
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of you sons of [ __ ] so it's not your classic
Shane rides off into the sunset kind of thing
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he rides off yeah but you know that if they mess
around he's coming back and he's going to burn
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down the whole town you know which is kind of
cool if I were proposing that East would emerge
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from Spaghetti Westerns and all this kind of chaos
of style and then on the other side came and was
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raised clearly on the kind of the American Western
it is the movie in which it all comes together
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the darkness the Revenge the level of dynamism
that the early westerns American westerns never
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really approached and then at the same time this
kind of Panache in his reinvention of the western
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Clint Eastwood never forgot the rich traditions
of the Giants who came before him I have always
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been so impressed with with Eastwood because
he has always been so deeply respectful to
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those filmmakers that he learned from in fact
wasn't Unforgiven dedicated to Sergio and Don
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filmmaker subsequent to him and have studied
him I for example have studied what Eastwood
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has done as a director and been inspired by it
when you look at the pantheon of uh of American
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filmmakers that that Clint is is right there I
don't know how anybody can be a movie star for
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40 years performing at a very high level as both
an actor and a director he's had a journey and uh
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whatever his offering is you know as an artist
because I think that that's how he's approached
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his career we honor what he he's trying to make
and go watch it he's a natural filmmaker just has
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such Clarity and purpose when you work with them
you feel that you know there ain't no forgetting
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