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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:16,016 [ ♪ Hellier Theme ♪ ] 2 00:01:26,044 --> 00:01:26,464 [Amy] Hi! 3 00:01:26,461 --> 00:01:27,461 [Greg] Hey Amy! 4 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,220 -How ya doing? -I'm good, how are you doing? 5 00:01:32,509 --> 00:01:32,969 -Good 6 00:01:32,967 --> 00:01:35,547 -I'm sorry it took me so long to track you down. 7 00:01:37,055 --> 00:01:39,715 -It's ok -I didn't know what happened to ya. 8 00:01:40,016 --> 00:01:42,386 How long have you been-- how long have you been there? 9 00:01:43,269 --> 00:01:46,729 -Um, right after I got off, right after I started talking to you 10 00:01:46,815 --> 00:01:47,935 -No kidding 11 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:52,992 When we, when it came time to do the chat, we had 12 00:01:53,988 --> 00:01:58,238 horrible cell signal, like, we didn't even have cell signal at the cabin. 13 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:02,123 but we had WiFi and the WiFi was too terrible, 14 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:03,792 it wouldn't even let us do a video call. 15 00:02:03,790 --> 00:02:09,170 So we had to drive into town, into the middle of Somerset, 16 00:02:09,712 --> 00:02:13,762 and use a hotspot on my phone to do this video chat. 17 00:02:14,008 --> 00:02:19,138 And I was really nervous, it was really hot, and we were parked in the shade, 18 00:02:20,348 --> 00:02:26,098 and, we just kinda sat there waiting, waiting for her to pick up. 19 00:02:26,312 --> 00:02:31,572 And she picked up, and for the first time, we actually talked 20 00:02:31,985 --> 00:02:32,985 face to face. 21 00:02:32,986 --> 00:02:38,066 I guess my biggest questions for you, because of the timing of when you emailed, 22 00:02:39,325 --> 00:02:42,655 where, where did you hear the term "ufonaut"? 23 00:02:43,538 --> 00:02:48,288 I heard the term because of some shit that was going on 24 00:02:48,293 --> 00:02:50,303 and some things that I had seen while I was there, 25 00:02:50,295 --> 00:02:52,755 and I Googled what it was that I had seen. 26 00:02:52,881 --> 00:02:55,381 -Ok,-And that’s what it, came up 27 00:02:55,383 --> 00:02:57,473 -What about the term "sluf"? 28 00:02:59,012 --> 00:03:00,562 -I've heard that too 29 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:06,770 But... do you know anything about the military's involvement? 30 00:03:07,312 --> 00:03:09,902 -I know what people online say. 31 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:13,528 I know that they talk about secret underground bases and things like that, 32 00:03:13,776 --> 00:03:17,026 -I started this because I heard a girl screaming, 33 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:20,160 whenever we were staying in a camper out there by the lake. 34 00:03:20,158 --> 00:03:21,028 -Okay. 35 00:03:21,034 --> 00:03:23,754 -I started digging into something then, 36 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,460 I thought I was digging into a creepy old guy named Ed 37 00:03:26,456 --> 00:03:28,746 that lived right up the street and I thought he was a serial killer. 38 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:33,420 Turned out to be something that I wasn’t capable of fighting on my own, 39 00:03:33,421 --> 00:03:35,671 -Okay -Or doing something with, 40 00:03:35,798 --> 00:03:40,968 and it was--it was much bigger than that. 41 00:03:41,638 --> 00:03:49,688 And it wound up landing me a bunch of felonies, and-- 42 00:03:50,313 --> 00:03:53,153 I will never be able to go back to being a school teacher again. 43 00:03:53,149 --> 00:03:55,239 -You were a schoolteacher? 44 00:03:55,235 --> 00:03:58,235 -Mmhm, third grade. - Oh wow. 45 00:03:58,238 --> 00:04:05,828 -I mean... it's ruined my entire life. 46 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:10,416 -Where.. alright, so one of the things that you mentioned, 47 00:04:10,416 --> 00:04:13,916 I have your, I have your emails, I printed them out so I could have 'em, 48 00:04:14,420 --> 00:04:19,130 you, you mentioned something about worshiping the Green Man. 49 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:21,763 Can you give me more about that? 50 00:04:22,595 --> 00:04:25,135 -I can tell you that there are a bunch of them that lives 51 00:04:25,139 --> 00:04:26,269 in the caves out there. 52 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:30,476 They'll, they are a whole underground network. 53 00:04:31,688 --> 00:04:36,318 In their mines in the caves. And they are all over the place out there. 54 00:04:36,901 --> 00:04:40,491 -What... -I'm gonna warn you though, 55 00:04:40,488 --> 00:04:44,158 -You better be careful digging into something that you don't... 56 00:04:44,158 --> 00:04:52,288 cause once you do... you can't unsee, you can't unknow it. 57 00:04:53,418 --> 00:04:59,718 And, I'm... you just can't, and it's really... 58 00:05:00,967 --> 00:05:03,257 it screwed my whole life up. 59 00:05:05,346 --> 00:05:08,176 And I still have no clue of anything, 60 00:05:08,391 --> 00:05:11,731 and I, I know that I don’t even know what I know, 61 00:05:11,728 --> 00:05:13,438 Does that make sense? -I understand. 62 00:05:13,438 --> 00:05:16,898 I know what you, I understand what you mean. 63 00:05:17,108 --> 00:05:20,988 [Greg] One of the weirdest things about talking to Amy was... 64 00:05:21,529 --> 00:05:25,329 In her initial emails, she talks about the Green Man, 65 00:05:25,408 --> 00:05:28,368 and she talks about Beltane, and she talks about people 66 00:05:28,369 --> 00:05:29,949 worshiping the Green Man. 67 00:05:31,706 --> 00:05:36,336 Tyler then sees a Green Man. A literal Green Man on a tree, 68 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,300 after getting lost at the coordinates and, and popping out and seeing this thing. 69 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:45,638 It was very pointed. 70 00:05:45,887 --> 00:05:48,257 You know, and then we're looking into the connections 71 00:05:48,264 --> 00:05:52,774 into, you know, Pan, this earth energy. The rebirth of Pan sets 72 00:05:52,769 --> 00:05:57,569 us down this path that also starts to talk about Pan's connection to the Green Man. 73 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:03,404 These things all lined up, in a very spooky manner. 74 00:06:04,155 --> 00:06:06,275 So we start to talk to Amy, 75 00:06:09,285 --> 00:06:12,575 and her green men are literal little green men. 76 00:06:12,914 --> 00:06:17,924 They're not THE Green Man, like she doesn't even have any concept for that. 77 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:23,379 Which is really weird, because you look at those emails, and I don't see 78 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:26,303 any other way to interpret what she's talking about, 79 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:31,179 other than the idea of the Green Man god, or the Green Man earth spirit. 80 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:34,851 And now she’s saying no, they worship the little green men. 81 00:06:36,062 --> 00:06:39,982 So, she gives us this description that's just the goblins again. 82 00:06:40,191 --> 00:06:46,611 So it's gone, from goblins, to the Green Man spirit, Pan, 83 00:06:46,906 --> 00:06:51,236 back to goblins again... Which is bizarre! 84 00:06:52,036 --> 00:06:54,116 All of the dead ends... 85 00:06:57,291 --> 00:07:01,001 Are, purposeful... They're pointed. 86 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:06,051 It's like they're time activated almost, like everything needs to be a different 87 00:07:06,050 --> 00:07:09,100 thing at a different time, much like the phenomena. 88 00:07:09,595 --> 00:07:12,305 The facts themselves are shifting, 89 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:16,144 to be what they need to be when they need to be it, 90 00:07:16,394 --> 00:07:21,524 for us to still get to the same point. That's bizarre to me. 91 00:07:23,151 --> 00:07:26,781 Can you tell me more about Doug and how he might know who I am? 92 00:07:28,698 --> 00:07:33,948 -I... don't know, he just said that I needed to look up somebody who 93 00:07:33,953 --> 00:07:36,713 done this kind of thing for a living, 94 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:38,416 and um... 95 00:07:40,042 --> 00:07:43,502 he just said that I would, that, he pointed you out 96 00:07:43,504 --> 00:07:45,974 and said that you would know how to help me. 97 00:07:46,340 --> 00:07:47,930 -How do you know Doug? 98 00:07:49,385 --> 00:07:51,675 -I have known Doug for the last 20 years. 99 00:07:51,679 --> 00:07:54,179 -But he's, he's... -He's an older man 100 00:07:54,182 --> 00:07:56,982 -He's an older guy? -Mmhm 101 00:07:57,435 --> 00:08:02,725 -If you, if you had to succinctly sum up what you think is happening in Somerset, 102 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:06,032 what you think is happening in these caves, how would you sum that up? 103 00:08:09,447 --> 00:08:12,027 -Well, what honestly, I don't know. 104 00:08:12,033 --> 00:08:15,703 I know that they are Pagan... they have rituals out there. 105 00:08:15,703 --> 00:08:17,123 -Ok -I know that much, 106 00:08:17,121 --> 00:08:20,041 but that doesn't necessarily mean that that's one group of people, 107 00:08:20,041 --> 00:08:24,921 because I'm finding so many different things going on out there. 108 00:08:24,921 --> 00:08:29,761 So I don't know if it would be Pagan, Wiccan crap, or if it's... 109 00:08:30,468 --> 00:08:35,348 underground human trafficking. I don't know what's going on out there. 110 00:08:35,556 --> 00:08:39,186 All I know is, is that some really serious shit is going on out there, 111 00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:41,895 and, nobody lives there. 112 00:08:41,896 --> 00:08:46,896 You can, they have--they have tree stands, and people watch out there. 113 00:08:46,901 --> 00:08:50,611 It's almost, it's, I swear, I believe it's government. 114 00:08:51,781 --> 00:08:55,541 Ok look, there's a house, it's on Hail Bridge road. It's like, 115 00:08:55,535 --> 00:09:01,165 there's an elevator, in the bathroom, that goes down to the mineshaft in there. 116 00:09:01,165 --> 00:09:04,665 -In the house? -Yes in the house. 117 00:09:05,336 --> 00:09:10,676 So do you think, my wheelhouse is really mostly in paranormal phenomena, 118 00:09:10,675 --> 00:09:14,675 UFO's, Bigfoot, things like that. Like, that's what I do. 119 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,389 So, government conspiracies, military conspiracies, things 120 00:09:19,392 --> 00:09:22,062 like that are a little out of my wheelhouse. 121 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,690 Do you believe there's a paranormal connection or do you think this is 122 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:28,730 totally just people doing bad things? 123 00:09:28,985 --> 00:09:34,695 -I don't think Area 51 is in New Mexico. I'm trying to tell you, 124 00:09:34,699 --> 00:09:36,409 it is in Somerset Kentucky. 125 00:09:39,287 --> 00:09:40,247 -Okay. 126 00:09:40,746 --> 00:09:41,746 Okay. 127 00:09:43,207 --> 00:09:46,787 Is there anything now, or in the last five minutes, is there anything that 128 00:09:46,794 --> 00:09:51,514 I need to know before I start digging into this more seriously, 129 00:09:51,507 --> 00:09:52,927 anything at all? 130 00:09:53,801 --> 00:09:54,931 -Dig quietly... 131 00:09:59,140 --> 00:10:04,020 Dig quietly. Do not be as loud as I was 'cause I went in with a sledgehammer. 132 00:10:04,312 --> 00:10:08,272 I'm telling you there’s a whole civilization of these down there, 133 00:10:08,274 --> 00:10:13,284 and you can hear them... way before you get deeper in. 134 00:10:14,405 --> 00:10:15,485 -What are they? 135 00:10:16,657 --> 00:10:17,657 -I don't know. 136 00:10:18,242 --> 00:10:23,002 I don't know, but they are like a, lime green. 137 00:10:23,372 --> 00:10:24,962 And, um.... 138 00:10:27,126 --> 00:10:30,626 I don't know, it, I border on, we call it, me and my mom joke about it, 139 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:34,130 call 'em "Hills Have Eyes". I don't know. If you wanna know the truth about it, 140 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:35,513 I really don't know. 141 00:10:36,594 --> 00:10:40,144 This literally shook my entire life, 142 00:10:40,139 --> 00:10:43,229 and it started with a girl screaming in the woods. 143 00:10:44,268 --> 00:10:51,568 And ended with a lot of questions, and a whole lot of felony charges, 144 00:10:51,567 --> 00:10:52,737 and we've got six seconds. 145 00:10:53,444 --> 00:10:55,864 -I'll plan another call with you, we'll talk more. 146 00:10:55,863 --> 00:10:56,823 -Okay. 147 00:11:02,036 --> 00:11:04,116 I don't even know what to make of that. 148 00:11:10,878 --> 00:11:12,168 I... 149 00:11:13,756 --> 00:11:16,546 I'm more confused now than I was before. 150 00:11:19,345 --> 00:11:20,635 She sounds... 151 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:29,015 It's clear that she wants me to look into something. 152 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:33,612 But I don't know if I trust exactly what she's telling me to look into 153 00:11:33,984 --> 00:11:35,614 She did not back down from her story. 154 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:39,534 in fact, there were more details to her story, 155 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:42,282 that made a lot of the earlier emails make sense. 156 00:11:42,952 --> 00:11:45,542 It really started to seem like she had seen something, 157 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:48,248 and she even admitted to us... 158 00:11:48,749 --> 00:11:53,249 she saw something, and she does not really know how to make sense of what she saw. 159 00:11:53,295 --> 00:11:55,415 and she's doing her best to make sense of it. 160 00:11:58,843 --> 00:12:00,723 [Amy, from computer] ...a whole lot of felony charges 161 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:01,350 and we've got six seconds... 162 00:12:01,345 --> 00:12:03,385 [Greg] I'll plan another call with you, we'll talk more. 163 00:12:03,931 --> 00:12:04,931 [Amy] Okay. 164 00:12:06,350 --> 00:12:07,350 Wow 165 00:12:08,769 --> 00:12:09,769 [Tyler laughs] 166 00:12:11,647 --> 00:12:12,897 [Dana] Hmmm.... 167 00:12:14,692 --> 00:12:15,692 [Tyler] Hmm. 168 00:12:16,277 --> 00:12:17,607 [Dana] I dunno... 169 00:12:19,488 --> 00:12:21,908 [Greg] How did that make you feel, watching that? 170 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:29,457 - Really anxious. I have a real bad feeling about it. 171 00:12:30,458 --> 00:12:31,578 To be perfectly honest with you. 172 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:33,670 [Connor] Ditto 173 00:12:34,754 --> 00:12:36,964 [Tyler laughs] [Connor] I, you know it's funny, so... 174 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,850 It would be a heck of a lot easier if you made that phone call, far away. 175 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:48,480 [Dana] Yeah -But we're in the town. 176 00:12:50,311 --> 00:12:51,441 It's right down the road. 177 00:12:52,021 --> 00:12:53,021 Like that's... 178 00:12:53,689 --> 00:12:55,109 [Dana] And it scares me too... -Like, I'm scared 179 00:12:55,107 --> 00:12:58,317 [Dana] because it's so, it's also so close to Cincinnati, like... 180 00:12:58,319 --> 00:13:00,739 [Dana] it's two hours away from Cincinnati 181 00:13:00,738 --> 00:13:04,028 [Greg] The cave is less than a mile down the river. 182 00:13:04,033 --> 00:13:07,243 -It's gonna be really easy to reach, I know exactly the cave that it is. 183 00:13:07,244 --> 00:13:09,464 We have a map even of that cave. 184 00:13:09,872 --> 00:13:11,672 -That's not the point I was trying to make, 185 00:13:11,665 --> 00:13:13,495 I was trying to make the point of -Yeah 186 00:13:13,501 --> 00:13:18,511 -The people that are the scary people are literally surrounding us right now 187 00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:19,466 [Tyler] Mmhm. 188 00:13:20,883 --> 00:13:23,013 -And the worst part is like I feel bad for her 189 00:13:24,637 --> 00:13:26,057 -Somerset's weird! -Yeah 190 00:13:26,055 --> 00:13:30,095 -There's weird stuff going on, there's, I mean, talking to absolutely normal 191 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:32,190 people, talking to the guy from the museum today, 192 00:13:32,436 --> 00:13:35,266 there's a lot of weird stuff that's going on here 193 00:13:37,107 --> 00:13:41,147 It just depends on who's telling you the story, you're getting their own version. 194 00:13:41,445 --> 00:13:47,615 Marginality is potentially a factor in somebody who has paranormal 195 00:13:47,618 --> 00:13:51,748 activity and phenomena occurring around them or called to them. 196 00:13:52,206 --> 00:13:56,496 It frankly seems a lot more likely to occur in more marginalized areas, 197 00:13:56,502 --> 00:13:59,672 like Hellier, like the outskirts of Somerset. 198 00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:03,092 And so, it gets to a point where you realize after reading enough 199 00:14:03,092 --> 00:14:05,642 that that's a risk that you're gonna have to be willing to take. 200 00:14:05,636 --> 00:14:10,426 -She didn’t back down from her story, which I found surprising. 201 00:14:10,432 --> 00:14:18,572 Um, she gave more details for us to look into, and so, the thing right now, 202 00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:23,646 like you said it best, like, we are paranormal investigators. 203 00:14:23,654 --> 00:14:31,254 So what we have, is interestingly enough, a call back to little goblin creatures. 204 00:14:31,245 --> 00:14:37,455 Not the green men of ancient myth and worship in the olden times, 205 00:14:37,459 --> 00:14:41,919 but rather, like, she's saying there's creatures in the mines. 206 00:14:41,922 --> 00:14:45,802 So, what, this is what, what I would propose is this, 207 00:14:45,801 --> 00:14:49,931 We try to find some green men, maybe, while we're here. 208 00:14:49,930 --> 00:14:53,560 Let's bring that case, let's look for the paranormal aspect then close the 209 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:55,349 chapter for us, hand it off. 210 00:14:55,352 --> 00:14:58,232 - I'm wondering more, is it possible to separate it? 211 00:14:58,689 --> 00:15:01,779 Once we start looking into one aspect of what she sent us off on, 212 00:15:01,775 --> 00:15:05,905 are we intrinsically intertwined into that story? 213 00:15:06,822 --> 00:15:08,572 That's what I'm worried about. 214 00:15:10,117 --> 00:15:13,197 And I think probably, we should all be worried about. 215 00:15:13,203 --> 00:15:16,923 So we, we already made the decision, like, talking about it now doesn't 216 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:18,916 do anything, we already made the decision. 217 00:15:19,251 --> 00:15:22,711 So now we just have to do what we came here to do, 218 00:15:22,713 --> 00:15:29,013 and, go into some caves, and see what we see, let's continue the ritual. 219 00:15:29,011 --> 00:15:34,391 We're here for a reason, we might not even totally understand that reason yet, 220 00:15:34,391 --> 00:15:37,391 but we're here for a reason and we need to see that through. 221 00:15:37,645 --> 00:15:41,145 - Initiations don't exist without fear. Right? 222 00:15:41,857 --> 00:15:43,727 -Literally. Yeah. 223 00:15:49,865 --> 00:15:53,075 [Lonnie] What do you think of aliens? Do they exist? 224 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:57,409 [Jason] Yes, I guess, I don't think that they've 225 00:15:57,414 --> 00:15:59,384 necessarily been here and visited us, 226 00:15:59,375 --> 00:16:03,665 because I don't know that they, I mean, with all the galaxies and all 227 00:16:03,671 --> 00:16:06,011 the stars I have a hard time believing, you know, we're it. 228 00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:12,223 I just think that it's really statistically probably not the case. 229 00:16:14,723 --> 00:16:15,983 [Lonnie] Welcome back. 230 00:16:17,893 --> 00:16:18,893 - [sniffs] Oh.... 231 00:16:23,232 --> 00:16:24,232 -How do you feel? 232 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:25,650 - Really good. 233 00:16:25,651 --> 00:16:26,651 -Really good? 234 00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:27,612 -I'm good. 235 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:30,949 Very sleepy. 236 00:16:30,948 --> 00:16:32,448 -Very sleepy? Yeah? 237 00:16:33,826 --> 00:16:37,996 Watery eyes are, for the purpose of everyone 238 00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:44,960 else watching, are a common symptom of a successful hypnotic session. 239 00:16:44,962 --> 00:16:48,972 So, if you didn't think you experienced hypnosis in high school, 240 00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:50,466 you most certainly did just now. 241 00:16:50,926 --> 00:16:56,056 - Yeah, not, they weren't like grays, they weren't like the ones like I was-- 242 00:16:56,682 --> 00:16:57,392 sort of, 243 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:59,100 -Wasn't what you expected? 244 00:16:59,226 --> 00:17:01,436 -Not at all -Not at all? 245 00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:05,769 -Like I'm calm now, but I feel like I just went through, like, 246 00:17:05,774 --> 00:17:08,654 a whirlwind of a lot of stuff. 247 00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:12,945 -It's--how much time do you feel has gone by? 248 00:17:13,866 --> 00:17:18,326 - It feels like forever but I mean I don't know, how many hours has it been? 249 00:17:19,663 --> 00:17:22,003 [Greg] It's been like, twenty minutes. 250 00:17:31,091 --> 00:17:34,221 - [Lonnie chuckling] - Are you fucking with me? 251 00:17:34,303 --> 00:17:37,353 [Nick] Dude, no. It's been, yeah, twenty minutes maybe 252 00:17:37,765 --> 00:17:40,975 - I feel like I, no, you guys are fucking with me. 253 00:17:44,146 --> 00:17:45,976 [VHS tape sounds] 254 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:49,395 - What is your name? - My name is Jason Gowin. 255 00:17:49,485 --> 00:17:53,275 - What do you remember about the night of October 14, 2012? 256 00:17:53,822 --> 00:17:56,282 - I remember we were filming for Planet Weird. 257 00:17:56,366 --> 00:17:59,196 We were going to do an experiment. 258 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:03,170 I was supposed to be an alien abduction induction, 259 00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:09,762 I don't... there's not a lot else I remember. 260 00:18:09,755 --> 00:18:11,875 as far as what happens to me. 261 00:18:11,882 --> 00:18:14,552 Like I know... things that I've been told. 262 00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:16,264 I know 263 00:18:16,637 --> 00:18:19,217 that I get a very uneasy feeling whenever 264 00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:21,023 this conversation comes up. 265 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:25,850 But I don't... the events of the actual "abduction" 266 00:18:25,854 --> 00:18:27,404 I don't recall. 267 00:18:27,648 --> 00:18:30,438 - Do you believe in UFO's? 268 00:18:30,442 --> 00:18:31,692 - Yes. 269 00:18:31,693 --> 00:18:32,953 - Yeah? Do you believe in alien entities? 270 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:33,895 - Yes. 271 00:18:34,029 --> 00:18:36,739 It's interesting, because now I feel a little more 272 00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:39,580 foreboding at the very idea of aliens. 273 00:18:39,743 --> 00:18:43,043 - Do you think that there are people being abducted by aliens? 274 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:48,924 - You know, I think that it's in the realm of possibility. 275 00:18:56,844 --> 00:18:59,854 I'm Lonnie Scott, I'm a professional hypnotist 276 00:18:59,847 --> 00:19:02,097 and hypnosis instructor. 277 00:19:02,099 --> 00:19:04,059 I'm also a practicing occultist. 278 00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:15,949 [laughs] Well I was excited for the challenge. 279 00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:20,526 Memory is a tricky thing, and false memories are easy to create. 280 00:19:20,534 --> 00:19:24,794 And I thought by creating that experience in someone, 281 00:19:24,788 --> 00:19:30,168 under the safety and the guidance of knowing that that's what we were doing 282 00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:36,839 as an experiment, and not trying to fulfill a recovery of an abduction 283 00:19:36,842 --> 00:19:38,842 experience from someone who was afraid that that may have 284 00:19:38,844 --> 00:19:43,064 happened to them... I wanted to see if false memories 285 00:19:43,056 --> 00:19:44,726 were that easy to create. 286 00:19:44,725 --> 00:19:49,305 And show that there is a danger to irresponsible regression. 287 00:19:49,313 --> 00:19:52,523 I always thought it was a little bit of a stretch to link Terry 288 00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:53,824 to the hypnosis experiment. 289 00:19:53,817 --> 00:19:56,647 I never really thought that that's what he was talking about, 290 00:19:56,653 --> 00:20:02,493 but there have been a lot of aspects of this case that do seem to support 291 00:20:02,492 --> 00:20:03,992 doing that experiment. 292 00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:08,124 It keeps coming up, this whole idea of trance states 293 00:20:08,123 --> 00:20:11,713 being an aspect of alien abduction. 294 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:14,550 There are some interesting elements of "Flying Saucer to the Center of 295 00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:17,836 Your Mind" that supported our motivation to try 296 00:20:17,841 --> 00:20:20,091 the hypnosis experiment. 297 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:23,469 Because even Keel was arguing that it seemed like the UFO 298 00:20:23,472 --> 00:20:26,982 phenomena is less something happening out here, 299 00:20:26,975 --> 00:20:30,435 and more something that's happening in here. 300 00:20:30,646 --> 00:20:33,106 "The major theory now evolving among top ufologists 301 00:20:33,148 --> 00:20:37,358 is that a large percentage of all UFO contacts and ground-level 302 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:40,661 experiences are entirely hallucinatory - " 303 00:20:42,115 --> 00:20:43,735 [Greg] Out of the five of us,who do you think 304 00:20:43,742 --> 00:20:44,492 would be a good candidate? 305 00:20:44,493 --> 00:20:45,993 -All of you. 306 00:20:46,912 --> 00:20:51,922 Absolutely, all of you. It's just a particular state of mind. 307 00:20:53,543 --> 00:20:56,003 [Greg] I think Strand is just too nuts to go, frankly. 308 00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:57,054 [Tyler laughs] 309 00:20:57,047 --> 00:21:00,677 - We've all got some real wacky things up in our brains. 310 00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:04,466 - I think that's it. I think that the three of us in particular 311 00:21:04,471 --> 00:21:06,601 would be too... 312 00:21:08,016 --> 00:21:10,886 I don't think people would trust the process as much if it was 313 00:21:10,894 --> 00:21:13,234 one of the three of us. [Tyler] Yeah, definitely. 314 00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:15,150 - How would you feel if you went, Connor? 315 00:21:15,148 --> 00:21:20,358 - I am... nervous. I think I probably could do it, 316 00:21:20,612 --> 00:21:23,322 But I also think Dana could. 317 00:21:23,323 --> 00:21:26,873 And I'm a little bit... I'm nervous. Yeah. 318 00:21:26,868 --> 00:21:30,538 - I mean if we're going just based on the amount of time 319 00:21:30,539 --> 00:21:35,499 in the Estes Method, I mean it's... you three. For sure. 320 00:21:35,627 --> 00:21:39,717 I think Dana is out of the running already. I just don't... 321 00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:43,925 [Dana] Because it's such a strange experiment and it's so easily 322 00:21:43,927 --> 00:21:46,717 potentially spun out of control, 323 00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:48,932 it needed to be the people who are the most grounded. 324 00:21:48,932 --> 00:21:52,852 Who could ground that experience and actually come back with information 325 00:21:52,853 --> 00:21:56,443 - Karl is the most objective, absolutely. [Greg] Yeah. 326 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,150 I'm good with Karl, are you guys good with Karl? 327 00:21:58,150 --> 00:21:59,740 [Tyler] Yeah, absolutely. 328 00:22:00,652 --> 00:22:02,282 [Dana] Yep. Mmhm. 329 00:22:04,031 --> 00:22:08,911 [Lonnie] If all I have to say to you are key phrases or words, for you to 330 00:22:08,910 --> 00:22:11,200 go to the dentist and have a root canal, 331 00:22:11,747 --> 00:22:14,957 go home, use more of those hypnotic techniques, 332 00:22:14,958 --> 00:22:17,458 just words, spoken to you in the correct manner, 333 00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:21,919 and then heal faster from that, why couldn't you use 334 00:22:21,923 --> 00:22:25,593 those same sorts of techniques to contact spirits, or 335 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:29,604 travel to other worlds within your own mind? 336 00:22:29,598 --> 00:22:32,728 Who knows what the possibilities really are. 337 00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:35,188 [Greg] At the end of the day, Lonnie knows 338 00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:40,317 we need to get actionable, objective information out of this 339 00:22:40,317 --> 00:22:41,937 somehow. 340 00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:43,244 That we wouldn't have otherwise known. 341 00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:45,906 So he knows that's the goal of this whole experiment. 342 00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:51,076 So no matter what, that's the, the end aim. 343 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:56,380 - But it sounds like your mindset though too, if we do get information, 344 00:22:56,875 --> 00:23:01,205 we aren't going to necessarily know tonight whether or not that's something 345 00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,263 we don't know, cause it's going to require research. 346 00:23:03,256 --> 00:23:04,666 - But that's the point. - If we get an answer, yeah. 347 00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:09,604 - That's the exact point, is having information that we can find out later, 348 00:23:11,014 --> 00:23:13,104 is real information. - Yeah 349 00:23:13,517 --> 00:23:17,397 [Lonnie] This time isn't about creating false experiences or false memories. 350 00:23:17,646 --> 00:23:23,276 This time is much more in line with magical and occult practices 351 00:23:23,276 --> 00:23:31,986 of using trance to, visit places on, in inner worlds that could probably 352 00:23:31,993 --> 00:23:35,913 be connected to outer worlds to retrieve information like we were 353 00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:40,714 talking about earlier, to create, meet and perhaps create allies. 354 00:23:41,169 --> 00:23:45,759 That is a much more traditional use of trance in magical and occult practices. 355 00:23:46,341 --> 00:23:50,261 - In a lot of ways, I feel like we're just doing a human Estes method 356 00:23:51,138 --> 00:23:52,888 - [Tyler] Yeah - [Dana] That's sort of what it is. 357 00:23:53,014 --> 00:23:55,434 - And I think maybe that's the best way to look at it. 358 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:56,734 We're doing a human Estes method. 359 00:23:56,726 --> 00:23:58,436 [Lonnie] Are we ready? 360 00:23:59,396 --> 00:24:01,266 [Greg] Do you think we're going to be successful? 361 00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:05,860 -I know we're gonna be successful. Absolutely. 362 00:24:06,361 --> 00:24:08,411 [Lonnie] I see no reason why we should wait any further. 363 00:24:08,572 --> 00:24:09,782 -Alright -Alright, let's do it 364 00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:10,741 -You ready? -Yeah! 365 00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:12,240 [Lonnie laughs] Great! 366 00:24:12,242 --> 00:24:15,662 -Go ahead, close your eyes and take a good deep breath, 367 00:24:16,163 --> 00:24:18,833 [Karl takes a good deep breath] 368 00:24:19,416 --> 00:24:22,706 -Very good. Take another deep breath. 369 00:24:23,378 --> 00:24:27,718 [Karl takes another deep breath] 370 00:24:28,091 --> 00:24:33,931 - Very good. And as you begin to allow your body to just simply relax, 371 00:24:34,931 --> 00:24:40,601 with each and every breath, settling into a nice, normal rhythm. 372 00:24:43,648 --> 00:24:47,738 Now in a moment, I'm going to count down, and on each and every count, 373 00:24:48,195 --> 00:24:52,025 you can double, or even triple that sense of relaxation. 374 00:24:52,574 --> 00:24:53,584 Five. 375 00:24:57,537 --> 00:24:58,707 Four. 376 00:24:59,247 --> 00:25:03,707 Drifting... Further... and further... 377 00:25:06,004 --> 00:25:07,054 Three. 378 00:25:11,426 --> 00:25:12,426 Two. 379 00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:18,349 All the way down, towards that far and distant horizon. 380 00:25:20,685 --> 00:25:21,685 One. 381 00:25:23,563 --> 00:25:24,563 Zero. 382 00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:29,235 Your mind and your body are now in that place where you can 383 00:25:29,236 --> 00:25:32,356 accept any of the suggestions that are given. 384 00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:35,660 With each and every step into that place, 385 00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:40,869 you are left with nothing more than the ability to peer into that darkness, 386 00:25:42,624 --> 00:25:45,714 to know that you are part of a process. 387 00:25:45,961 --> 00:25:48,841 You are part of a bigger role. 388 00:25:49,339 --> 00:25:52,719 And that you are here, not only as a witness, 389 00:25:52,717 --> 00:25:55,347 as you have been to so many mysteries, 390 00:25:57,722 --> 00:26:00,982 but you are here now to be a voice to those mysteries. 391 00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:07,686 Now when I ask you a question, you will be able to answer me. 392 00:26:10,652 --> 00:26:12,902 -Have you found yourself in that place? 393 00:26:13,947 --> 00:26:14,947 - Yes 394 00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:21,197 - Ask your own intuition, show you something to reveal in that room, 395 00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:27,044 where you're at now, a sign, a symbol, a word, a phrase, 396 00:26:27,377 --> 00:26:33,377 maybe even an item as a deeper clue. Ask for clarity. 397 00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:39,175 What's going on in Hellier? 398 00:26:43,059 --> 00:26:44,559 - There's a gateway. 399 00:26:49,774 --> 00:26:51,654 -A gateway to what? 400 00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:54,701 - To these other places. 401 00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,448 - Is the gateway open? 402 00:26:59,701 --> 00:27:01,161 -It's closed. 403 00:27:03,955 --> 00:27:08,535 -Are you supposed to open it? Or is it supposed to be closed? 404 00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:11,169 - We're supposed to open it. 405 00:27:13,923 --> 00:27:16,683 - And what happens when that gateway opens? 406 00:27:18,094 --> 00:27:19,764 - They get to come out. 407 00:27:26,186 --> 00:27:33,736 - Ask again, only this time, what's going on in Somerset? 408 00:27:36,946 --> 00:27:40,326 - Somerset's a place on the fringes. 409 00:27:41,618 --> 00:27:43,578 - The fringes of that gateway? 410 00:27:47,082 --> 00:27:49,922 - The fringes of the places in between. 411 00:27:54,589 --> 00:27:57,219 - So Somerset is a liminal place? 412 00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:58,300 - Yeah 413 00:27:58,426 --> 00:28:02,716 I will say, when I was editing the footage, I noticed that Dana used 414 00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:08,102 a very similar expression in the tin can tunnel while doing the Estes method 415 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:11,273 when asked about where we should use the tones. 416 00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:15,822 - [Greg] Where do we use this? That’s the question. 417 00:28:18,113 --> 00:28:21,243 - [Greg] We're a bit overwhelmed at the moment 418 00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:23,026 - In the space between. 419 00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:24,948 - [Greg] In the space between. - [Tyler] ooof.... 420 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:28,874 Obviously we've all got a lot of liminality on the brain right now. 421 00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:33,043 And, I've seen that clip before, probably a couple of times, 422 00:28:33,044 --> 00:28:35,134 watching through the whole thing. 423 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:39,630 But, that's purely a subconscious thing at work, because that was not 424 00:28:39,634 --> 00:28:41,974 a connection that I had ever made. 425 00:28:42,429 --> 00:28:45,309 [Lonnie] What happened to Indrid Cold? 426 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:54,822 [Karl] Give me a sec. 427 00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:02,874 - There may be a book, that's present in that room, 428 00:29:02,866 --> 00:29:07,406 there could be a sudden video that begins playing? 429 00:29:07,412 --> 00:29:09,622 - Yeah, I've been using the books 430 00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:22,585 - Send the signal now, whether it is now, later, 431 00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:27,274 in a dream, an inspiration, or a sudden idea in the days to come, 432 00:29:27,265 --> 00:29:31,595 that clue will unravel, that your subconscious mind will go to the puzzle 433 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:33,733 and begin to put the pieces together. 434 00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:38,439 -What happened to David Christie? 435 00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:45,071 - I feel like he keeps saying that he's dead. 436 00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:48,084 - Who keeps saying that he's dead? 437 00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:55,210 - I check the books, and I wait to see what text shows up. 438 00:29:55,919 --> 00:30:01,009 During the hypnosis experiment, we start hearing these noises, 439 00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:06,467 upstairs. And it sounds almost like footsteps. 440 00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:08,391 But it didn't sound like the normal creaking 441 00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:11,059 that we had gotten used to around the cabin, 442 00:30:11,059 --> 00:30:15,729 the settling noises. It seemed like while Karl was under, 443 00:30:15,730 --> 00:30:18,570 like the place was coming alive. 444 00:30:19,442 --> 00:30:26,322 - If Hellier is a gateway, Somerset is at the fringe, 445 00:30:29,577 --> 00:30:31,827 What are the goblins? 446 00:30:34,999 --> 00:30:36,499 - Gatekeepers 447 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:43,589 They're, around those spaces. 448 00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:51,268 - Are they there to keep us out? Or show us the way in? 449 00:30:53,309 --> 00:30:55,229 - They're more of a byproduct. 450 00:30:56,729 --> 00:31:01,479 - The gate exists, so a gatekeeper exists in turn? 451 00:31:02,151 --> 00:31:03,151 - Yeah 452 00:31:04,571 --> 00:31:09,371 - Do they have to be appeased, or receive offerings, 453 00:31:09,367 --> 00:31:15,497 or some sort of signal to allow access to those gates? 454 00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:22,548 - They have to be summoned? 455 00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:28,721 with... bread? 456 00:31:34,809 --> 00:31:36,809 - And how does that work? 457 00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:50,702 - They're the minions of the something 458 00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:02,338 -Just, you leave it for em 459 00:32:04,964 --> 00:32:07,184 - So offerings of bread 460 00:32:08,635 --> 00:32:10,005 - I guess. 461 00:32:15,808 --> 00:32:20,768 - If not who we're supposed to talk to, what are we supposed to do? 462 00:32:25,526 --> 00:32:28,026 - You're supposed to find the fountain. 463 00:32:33,117 --> 00:32:36,407 - How will we know if it's the correct fountain? 464 00:32:41,709 --> 00:32:43,169 - I don't know 465 00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:50,431 - Karl, I've got one final task for you in this place, 466 00:32:53,596 --> 00:32:56,716 you may want to go through that door again, one more time, 467 00:32:56,724 --> 00:32:59,984 that ladder, that gateway, to access some place. 468 00:32:59,978 --> 00:33:02,398 It may be the same, it may be different, 469 00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:05,317 a place you can speak to, and communicate with 470 00:33:05,316 --> 00:33:07,776 any of your allies and guardians, 471 00:33:07,777 --> 00:33:11,197 or any being that may be there to communicate with you now. 472 00:33:11,572 --> 00:33:14,082 Have you gone into that other place? 473 00:33:18,204 --> 00:33:19,214 - Yeah 474 00:33:19,872 --> 00:33:23,962 -And is there someone or something there that you can communicate 475 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,670 with, waiting for you? 476 00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:38,725 - Yeah 477 00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:43,354 -Ask them... 478 00:33:46,524 --> 00:33:52,784 ...for a sign. Ask them to affect something in our physical world. 479 00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:59,696 And have them tell you now how we will know that it is them. 480 00:34:01,122 --> 00:34:03,422 Can they do that for us? 481 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,500 -He says it's gonna be big. 482 00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:10,514 - And how will we know it was them? 483 00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:12,799 - You'll know. 484 00:34:17,597 --> 00:34:21,177 - They're not sharing any more details than "it's going to be big"? 485 00:34:26,606 --> 00:34:32,236 - I mean I got like a mental picture of, like all the windows exploding 486 00:34:34,363 --> 00:34:36,323 - And who are you talking to? 487 00:34:38,618 --> 00:34:41,578 - It's, like a large praying mantis. 488 00:34:49,212 --> 00:34:52,172 - Communicating in symbol? Words? 489 00:34:52,715 --> 00:34:54,505 - Yeah, he can talk. 490 00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:59,387 Although, my mind kind of jumps to the answer. 491 00:34:59,847 --> 00:35:03,557 -Again, something big, and windows exploding. 492 00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:09,613 - Yeah, it's like a sign, just like... powerful you know? 493 00:35:10,149 --> 00:35:13,989 - If they have a symbol, or something we can call on them, 494 00:35:15,238 --> 00:35:17,908 ask them to please share that symbol now. 495 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:28,924 I dunno, I'm kinda getting like, like a pyramid with a light coming out of it. 496 00:35:29,877 --> 00:35:32,587 Like in, Vegas 497 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:44,600 It feels like, like something complex is trying to be shown to me, but it's... 498 00:35:47,687 --> 00:35:51,767 - Does it feel too complex? In this place and in this time? 499 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:53,990 To fully comprehend? 500 00:35:54,193 --> 00:35:55,193 - Yeah 501 00:35:55,194 --> 00:36:00,124 - Thank them for their presence. Come back to your room of peace and power. 502 00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:04,409 In a moment, I'm going to count from one to five. 503 00:36:05,705 --> 00:36:06,905 One 504 00:36:07,415 --> 00:36:11,665 Know that you can access this place in your mind any time. 505 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,920 Two 506 00:36:14,338 --> 00:36:19,218 Know now that you have the power to relax simply by willing it to be so. 507 00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:21,885 Three 508 00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:28,845 You are connected to your allies, your guards, and your guardians. 509 00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:31,521 Four 510 00:36:32,106 --> 00:36:34,566 Karl, take a good deep breath in. 511 00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:42,866 And five. Whenever you are ready, you may open your eyes. 512 00:36:45,786 --> 00:36:47,036 How'd you like that? 513 00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:52,921 - It was... that was alright. - Yeah, I think you did a great job. 514 00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:54,959 - Thanks. - [Lonnie chuckles] You're welcome. 515 00:37:00,176 --> 00:37:03,466 - That was weird. [everyone else laughs] 516 00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:07,141 I'm still not really sure what I think about the hypnosis experiment, 517 00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:13,401 It... was... really uncomfortable. And really frustrating. 518 00:37:13,397 --> 00:37:17,567 But it's really hard, I was basically just trying to like, get into a trance state, 519 00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:20,818 and then almost do word association. Anything that was said, 520 00:37:20,821 --> 00:37:23,531 I would just try to take the first thing that popped into my head. 521 00:37:23,824 --> 00:37:27,544 Literally just trying to like, remove my conscious mind from the situation. 522 00:37:27,536 --> 00:37:33,416 So any time I got something kind of random and weird, or just spat something out, 523 00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:38,458 that's usually interesting. You know like that was the closest we could get 524 00:37:38,464 --> 00:37:41,184 to what I think we were trying to do. 525 00:37:41,175 --> 00:37:45,175 - Yeah, it's tough too to separate like my conscious mind from it too, I was... 526 00:37:45,179 --> 00:37:47,429 - [Greg] I could notice you doing that, yeah. 527 00:37:47,431 --> 00:37:50,271 - [Tyler] How did you feel about like the symbolism of the fountain, 528 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,978 around that area, do you remember that? 529 00:37:51,978 --> 00:37:57,648 - The fountain popped in, it felt, in my brain it was like, almost like a... 530 00:37:57,942 --> 00:38:03,242 like one of those, like stone, like fountain, in a cave... 531 00:38:03,572 --> 00:38:05,072 Or... - [Tyler] Ok... 532 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:10,000 - A stream, like a fountain of a stream start maybe in a cave, 533 00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:12,206 and then that fountain in like a square, 534 00:38:12,206 --> 00:38:16,666 like a landmark kind of thing that if we came across one at a certain point 535 00:38:16,669 --> 00:38:19,419 it would be like "there’s the fount.." ya know that sort of thing. 536 00:38:21,882 --> 00:38:24,802 - [Kyle] I'll tell you something I absolutely love about our town, 537 00:38:24,802 --> 00:38:28,312 is it seems like it was founded on the same strangeness, 538 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:33,636 our well, I can't remember what year it's founded, it was founded at, but 539 00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:38,614 it was our main well for the whole area and it now has this bell on it that says 540 00:38:38,607 --> 00:38:42,817 "anyone who drinks from this water shall always return to Somerset" 541 00:38:44,488 --> 00:38:46,658 [Karl] There were two things that came out of my hypnosis session 542 00:38:46,657 --> 00:38:48,527 that showed up two days later. 543 00:38:50,745 --> 00:38:55,245 I had described a pyramid shape, and a fountain or a spring. 544 00:38:56,792 --> 00:39:00,052 [Greg] Wow, so was this like a natural spring? Is the idea that it was 545 00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,296 [Kyle] Yeah [Greg] healing water or something? 546 00:39:02,298 --> 00:39:07,428 [Kyle] Yeah this was where everyone in the town and this was also our like, 547 00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:11,348 meeting place. [Greg] Make a wish, take a drink. 548 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,479 [Kyle] Have wisdom and return to Somerset 549 00:39:13,476 --> 00:39:15,766 [Greg] Oh yeah wow! Look at that! 550 00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:18,610 [Kyle] Whoever drinks from the old town spring will have wisdom 551 00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:20,686 and will always return to Somerset. 552 00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:25,699 [Karl] Two days later Kyle takes us down to this old decrepit city center, 553 00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:29,826 and right there is a pyramid, and a spring, 554 00:39:29,825 --> 00:39:32,745 which almost kind of looked like a fountain if you flipped it over, 555 00:39:32,745 --> 00:39:35,705 that might have been a fountain at a certain point earlier. 556 00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:38,962 It's basically, what came up in my session. 557 00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:43,170 The pyramid even had an eye etched in it, like an all seeing eye, 558 00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:44,842 which was one of the impressions that I got. 559 00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:50,353 I don’t know what this means, it wasn't like an ahha! moment, 560 00:39:50,346 --> 00:39:52,806 I didn't even kind of realize it at the time until I put the pieces 561 00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:57,437 together later. But it does seem to suggest, perhaps, that there's 562 00:39:57,436 --> 00:40:01,066 something more happening than just getting in touch with my subconscious 563 00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:03,145 to get it's opinions about this case. 564 00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:06,610 [Greg] So this used to be a well, and then he just put the bell in there? 565 00:40:06,612 --> 00:40:08,492 [Kyle] Yeah. [Greg laughs] 566 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,615 [Greg] I mean, looking at it I wouldn't be surprised if there used to be 567 00:40:11,617 --> 00:40:13,157 a fountain in there. [Kyle] Yeah. 568 00:40:13,619 --> 00:40:17,209 [Karl] It seemed like there was something, perhaps more psychical, 569 00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:20,286 or perhaps something was communicating, 570 00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:26,882 and that that area, if not the center of Somerset, was important. 571 00:40:28,717 --> 00:40:32,467 As early as the 1950's, a man by the name of Williamson was claiming 572 00:40:32,471 --> 00:40:36,561 telepathic contact with beings on Sirius, some of it by means of an alleged 573 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:41,149 intergalactic radio which he demonstrated to followers at his Telonic Research 574 00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:45,527 Center in Prescott, Arizona. Literally have a note here, 575 00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:48,196 Estes method? [Connor] An intergalactic radio?! 576 00:40:48,195 --> 00:40:51,525 [Connor] Like this?! [laughs] [Greg] uh-huh! Exactly. 577 00:40:51,532 --> 00:40:56,162 [Greg] This, idea, continuously pops up over and over and over 578 00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:57,712 in everything I've been reading. 579 00:40:57,705 --> 00:41:02,035 Contactee cases, they talk about, I think there's a book called UFOs Speak? 580 00:41:02,042 --> 00:41:08,472 It's all about how they used a radio, tuned between stations, that would... 581 00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:13,933 basically cause a psychic connection with them. 582 00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:16,969 Whoever they are. Again, sounds a lot like the Estes method. 583 00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:23,484 In fact, the man who popularized the Men in Black, Albert Bender, a magician, 584 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:27,441 people don't really realize this, he was doing rituals in his apartment, 585 00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:33,123 and then was visited by three men, all dressed in black, and, they told him 586 00:41:33,115 --> 00:41:36,075 you can contact us by tuning your radio between the stations, 587 00:41:36,076 --> 00:41:41,166 it allows us to come, in and out. Another weird Estes method thing. 588 00:41:50,633 --> 00:41:53,343 [Insects chirping. Static] 589 00:42:02,228 --> 00:42:04,648 [Greg] I don't like ghost boxes, that's part of the reason 590 00:42:04,647 --> 00:42:06,727 why I like the Estes method so much, 591 00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:11,528 I don't really care for ghost boxes, but there is genuinely something 592 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:14,659 very strange about the boxes that Frank built. 593 00:42:18,327 --> 00:42:19,657 [Greg] We... 594 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,330 attempted to do an Estes method with one a few weeks ago 595 00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:26,713 and it was straight up weird. 596 00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:32,379 [Greg] Alright.. [Dana] Ugh! 597 00:42:35,594 --> 00:42:38,314 It was like this really loud scream sound 598 00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:43,022 My head is going waaw, waaw, waaw, waaw... 599 00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:48,272 [Greg, screaming] Nope! 600 00:42:52,736 --> 00:42:55,066 [Dana] What happened? [Greg] I'm done for the night. 601 00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:59,201 It's nothing like, I've ever experienced with just doing the Estes method 602 00:42:59,201 --> 00:43:02,831 using an SB7. Like it's a very different experience. 603 00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:08,210 For me, using the Frank's box, it felt like a whole body experience, 604 00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:11,710 so like, lots of tingling sensations, lots of feelings of being kind of 605 00:43:11,714 --> 00:43:13,424 swept up into a current. 606 00:43:13,424 --> 00:43:19,474 The Frank's box is an early version of the same type of equipment that we use 607 00:43:19,471 --> 00:43:25,231 for the Estes method. It is a box built by the name of Frank Sumption, 608 00:43:25,227 --> 00:43:32,187 and they were created, Frank believes, under the influence of extraterrestrials. 609 00:43:32,484 --> 00:43:34,614 And they're incredibly rare. 610 00:43:34,987 --> 00:43:39,197 I think I was just looking the other day and I think Frank only made, 611 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,579 he made less than two hundred of these things before he died. 612 00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:48,380 And, he didn't sell them. He only gave them to people that he felt were right. 613 00:43:49,001 --> 00:43:55,131 And, the fact that we ended up with one, literally days before we were, 614 00:43:55,132 --> 00:44:00,182 going to Somerset, it felt like we were supposed to use the Frank's box... 615 00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:03,559 with the Estes method. In Somerset. 616 00:44:09,146 --> 00:44:10,646 You're dazzled. 617 00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:15,860 [Dana] Dazzle? 618 00:44:15,861 --> 00:44:18,281 Multiple people, right now. 619 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,407 You're closer. 620 00:44:21,408 --> 00:44:28,458 [Dana] It was weird [laughs], he, he adopted this very strange accent 621 00:44:28,457 --> 00:44:33,667 that we really, none of us could figure out what it was, but it was consistent 622 00:44:33,671 --> 00:44:36,721 throughout the entire thing which I thought was interesting. 623 00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:43,009 It, it was actually kind of scary. Partially through, 624 00:44:43,013 --> 00:44:47,103 part of the way through it, I started to get a little bit concerned about 625 00:44:47,101 --> 00:44:50,771 whether or not he was sort of getting in a little too deep. 626 00:44:50,771 --> 00:44:52,821 Can you tell us who you are? 627 00:44:53,524 --> 00:44:55,444 How we should refer to you? 628 00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:58,994 Names are really important to us. 629 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,780 [Tyler] We thank you. 630 00:45:04,201 --> 00:45:07,041 [Connor] Seems like there's a couple of aspects here, 631 00:45:07,037 --> 00:45:12,537 there's the potential, for physical beings, in these caves, 632 00:45:12,751 --> 00:45:17,341 and there's a potential for contact, with the higher phenomena. 633 00:45:17,965 --> 00:45:20,585 Are we correct in that thesis? 634 00:45:20,592 --> 00:45:24,642 [Tyler] Sounds like Connor-Connor. Two repeats, Connor-Connor. 635 00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:26,596 [Connor] Coner Conard? 636 00:45:26,598 --> 00:45:29,348 [Greg] Coner Conard that's what I was thinking. 637 00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:35,820 We're a little confused because we keep feeling like this thread with 638 00:45:35,816 --> 00:45:38,686 Indrid Cold and, his crew and his family.. 639 00:45:38,694 --> 00:45:40,864 [Tyler] This is just a blip. 640 00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:47,621 - It feels like that thread is done. - [Connor] Mmhm 641 00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:52,325 - And we don't know what to make of all this information, about... 642 00:45:52,666 --> 00:45:59,506 Indrid, and Karl and Coner... Coner and Conard... 643 00:46:04,344 --> 00:46:06,314 What are we supposed to do with that information? 644 00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:10,427 - Leave it alone! Trust it. 645 00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:17,270 [Tyler] You point to the story. 646 00:46:20,944 --> 00:46:23,744 Try not to ruin, the story. 647 00:46:27,951 --> 00:46:32,331 [Connor] I guess we're tearing apart the old contactee...stuff? 648 00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:35,583 Not really tearing it apart I think we're doing it a justice... 649 00:46:35,584 --> 00:46:36,544 [Tyler] About me 650 00:46:37,252 --> 00:46:38,632 [Greg] Who are you? 651 00:46:41,215 --> 00:46:43,965 If we're gonna tell your story, properly, 652 00:46:43,967 --> 00:46:46,347 we need to know whose story we're telling. 653 00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:57,187 - I always talked about peace. For years. 654 00:46:59,650 --> 00:47:03,360 - [Dana] Is it, Indrid? I'm thinking it's Indrid. The whole time I'm feeling 655 00:47:03,362 --> 00:47:04,612 like this is Indrid. 656 00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:05,573 - [Tyler] It's crazy. 657 00:47:08,951 --> 00:47:11,701 - It sounds more like Terry's Indrid. - [Dana] Mmhm 658 00:47:11,703 --> 00:47:16,503 - Than Derenberger's Indrid. It sounds like scarier Indrid. 659 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:17,750 - [Tyler] He is one 660 00:47:17,751 --> 00:47:24,381 [everyone laughing] 661 00:47:24,758 --> 00:47:25,758 - [Tyler] Ok. 662 00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:30,811 - [Greg] If this is... - [Connor] Why is it taking this route? 663 00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:35,095 - [Greg] Are you stuck? - [Tyler] Your name? 664 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,060 - [Dana] You want our name? 665 00:47:38,689 --> 00:47:43,739 - I'm Greg, this is Dana, this is Karl, and this is Connor. 666 00:47:44,027 --> 00:47:45,777 What's your name? 667 00:47:50,117 --> 00:47:52,657 - My name, is, Michael. 668 00:47:56,832 --> 00:47:58,632 - [Dana] Oh my god... 669 00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:01,419 - Thank you Michael - Hi... 670 00:48:02,004 --> 00:48:03,384 - It's nice to meet you 671 00:48:04,381 --> 00:48:09,851 - We are, w, we are, - [Dana whispers] we are "w"? 672 00:48:09,845 --> 00:48:11,135 - Are sun. 673 00:48:14,683 --> 00:48:18,193 - Michael where are you from? Maybe that'll help. 674 00:48:20,856 --> 00:48:22,646 Where are you from Michael? 675 00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:28,700 We're from here, Earth, if you're not here. 676 00:48:30,532 --> 00:48:34,042 Specifically in Kentucky, in the, United States of America... 677 00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:35,076 - [Tyler] Sunny 678 00:48:37,581 --> 00:48:39,711 - [Dana] What? What is that? - [Tyler] The talisman. 679 00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:42,378 - [Greg] The talisman? 680 00:48:42,669 --> 00:48:43,669 - And 681 00:48:56,058 --> 00:49:00,898 - [Connor] What do you look like? Would we recognize you if we saw you? 682 00:49:01,605 --> 00:49:02,645 - The angel. 683 00:49:02,856 --> 00:49:06,526 - [Dana gasps] I knew that's what it was! I was, that was my next fuckin question. 684 00:49:06,526 --> 00:49:07,486 I knew it! 685 00:49:13,992 --> 00:49:15,542 - [Dana] That's a big... big.. 686 00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:19,373 - I gave Tyler a blessed medallion of Saint Michael the archangel 687 00:49:19,373 --> 00:49:21,793 - [Tyler] I know. - [Dana] You gave him that one? 688 00:49:21,792 --> 00:49:22,752 - [Connor] Three days ago. 689 00:49:23,835 --> 00:49:26,755 I thought that it would be fun if I brought something from my faith 690 00:49:26,755 --> 00:49:32,635 background of Catholicism. I, had chosen a little medallion, 691 00:49:32,636 --> 00:49:38,766 a little talisman per se, with depictions of different patron saints on them. 692 00:49:38,767 --> 00:49:42,057 And I gave Tyler a medallion of Saint Michael. 693 00:49:42,729 --> 00:49:46,019 - [Connor] Huh... - [Dana] Why are you here with us? 694 00:49:52,781 --> 00:49:54,621 - He's part of this 695 00:49:54,616 --> 00:49:59,286 - Michael do you understand that we need to know that this is the right thing to do 696 00:49:59,663 --> 00:50:03,173 - [Tyler] The process... Believe it. 697 00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:06,342 Connor... 698 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,880 You're...are... 699 00:50:14,886 --> 00:50:17,216 [Tyler] Wig, out. 700 00:50:17,222 --> 00:50:20,022 [everyone laughing] - [Connor] Yes I am! 701 00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:24,807 Yes I am! You know what, alright, thanks guys! 702 00:50:25,355 --> 00:50:29,105 I don't wanna go inside by myself. Alright... 703 00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:32,241 - [Greg] Alright listen... - [Dana] wait, wait, should Connor be calm? 704 00:50:32,237 --> 00:50:34,737 - [Dana] Is everything ok? - [Connor] Do I need to calm down? 705 00:50:35,282 --> 00:50:38,452 - [Tyler] Don't you believe, in magic? 706 00:50:40,912 --> 00:50:42,292 - [Greg] Well? 707 00:50:43,123 --> 00:50:44,753 - I don't know sometimes... 708 00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:47,710 I believe in God, I believe in good things, 709 00:50:47,711 --> 00:50:51,881 I believe that there's magical things in the world too, yes. 710 00:50:52,799 --> 00:50:56,509 - [Tyler] I feel, full, of adrenaline. [Connor - nervous laugh] 711 00:50:56,678 --> 00:50:58,678 - [Connor] We're happy to... - It feels really good. 712 00:50:59,765 --> 00:51:01,215 - [Tyler] I almost feel like I'm in a fight. 713 00:51:01,224 --> 00:51:02,894 - [Dana] Hoooly shit did you just hear that? 714 00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:07,613 That was something climbing, either over the ledge down there, 715 00:51:07,606 --> 00:51:12,186 or falling off the ledge down there. Right underneath Tyler. 716 00:51:14,988 --> 00:51:19,238 I thought maybe something... - [Tyler] Ugh! I feel, I felt something 717 00:51:19,242 --> 00:51:23,752 touch my calf, almost like something twisted around it like a rope. 718 00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:26,247 - It was like "tsstsstss" that's what it sounded like. 719 00:51:26,249 --> 00:51:28,169 I thought something fell off behind him. 720 00:51:28,168 --> 00:51:31,508 - Chill, just everybody calm down for a second. 721 00:51:37,677 --> 00:51:39,757 - I don't see anything down there. 722 00:51:39,763 --> 00:51:42,313 - [Greg] He, he doesn't feel agitated so I think we should let him go 723 00:51:42,307 --> 00:51:43,927 for a few more minutes. - Yeah. 724 00:51:43,934 --> 00:51:47,314 - [Greg] This is, really weird. - [Connor] This is really interesting 725 00:51:47,979 --> 00:51:50,399 - [Greg] Have we ever met you or talked to you before? 726 00:51:51,441 --> 00:51:54,611 Are you someone that we're familiar with already? 727 00:51:57,114 --> 00:52:04,754 - [Tyler] Aagh, I'm getting really warm. I'm shaky. It's hard to focus. 728 00:52:05,455 --> 00:52:10,125 - [Dana] He might, it might be time to start thinking about pulling him out. 729 00:52:10,252 --> 00:52:14,012 If he's having a hard time focusing... Should we take Tyler out? 730 00:52:14,005 --> 00:52:15,085 - [Tyler] I have to calm... 731 00:52:18,009 --> 00:52:22,099 - [Connor] Alright well thank you for, we welcome good interaction, 732 00:52:22,097 --> 00:52:24,347 and good intentions. -[Dana] Thank you for.. 733 00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:25,309 - [Tyler] Oh man... 734 00:52:28,019 --> 00:52:31,059 - Let's pull him out, before he like, passes out or... 735 00:52:35,694 --> 00:52:37,784 - Can we speak with you again soon? 736 00:52:52,669 --> 00:52:53,749 - Oh, fuck! 737 00:52:55,338 --> 00:52:56,968 - [Dana] Ok pull him out 738 00:52:59,551 --> 00:53:01,341 - [Greg] Are you ok? - [Tyler] Yeah! 739 00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:11,230 - [Greg] You ok? What happened? 740 00:53:14,274 --> 00:53:16,074 - Hold on... 741 00:53:23,241 --> 00:53:25,911 I don't know, this is a lot of adrenaline. 742 00:53:28,997 --> 00:53:34,377 It feels, hah, it felt good, but right at the end, right before you tapped it, 743 00:53:34,377 --> 00:53:41,467 It's almost like it, um, made itself clear that it, it started going "GUGUGUGU" 744 00:53:41,468 --> 00:53:45,848 like just repeated like loud, pumps, that was like a full body thing 745 00:53:45,847 --> 00:53:48,677 - [Dana] Breathe, take a big deep breath. 746 00:53:49,392 --> 00:53:50,642 - [Connor] You're alright 747 00:53:51,436 --> 00:53:53,516 - [Connor] You listened to a weird thing for a long time. 748 00:53:53,521 --> 00:53:56,981 - [Tyler] How was it? Did it yield anything? 749 00:53:57,943 --> 00:54:03,743 - It was... It was one of the weirder sessions I've heard, ever... 750 00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,289 [High pitched humming] 751 00:54:12,415 --> 00:54:16,745 Such a jarring transition, when you're pulled from the space. 752 00:54:16,753 --> 00:54:21,683 Especially with, what happened to me inside of this space, 753 00:54:21,675 --> 00:54:28,095 so you go from experiencing this energy that feels like it's ripping you apart 754 00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,518 and then all of a sudden you're on a porch. 755 00:54:30,517 --> 00:54:33,347 You're on a porch in the middle of the woods in Kentucky. 756 00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:36,191 And he'd never had a session like that before. 757 00:54:36,982 --> 00:54:41,532 And that lent itself to the idea that maybe there was something, 758 00:54:41,528 --> 00:54:45,778 a lot bigger than a usual Estes method session happening. 759 00:54:47,701 --> 00:54:50,081 [Tyler] I've never experienced anything like that. 760 00:54:51,037 --> 00:54:53,287 I myself am not a religious person. 761 00:54:53,290 --> 00:55:00,210 That's not to say that I don't put value or power, in what would be considered 762 00:55:00,213 --> 00:55:02,553 some type of angelic entity. 763 00:55:03,341 --> 00:55:07,391 I think all of those things are part of this. 764 00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:12,179 I think... One man's angel is another man's alien 765 00:55:14,936 --> 00:55:18,516 [Greg] Everything that we'd been working on, everything that we'd been doing, 766 00:55:19,649 --> 00:55:21,739 pointed to us doing a ritual. 767 00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:24,609 You know, for all we knew we were already in the middle of one, 768 00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:26,412 we just needed to make it official. 769 00:55:26,531 --> 00:55:33,041 [Karl] It felt, very fitting, to smash all of that together, apply what we can, 770 00:55:33,038 --> 00:55:37,538 and try to draw that phenomena to us. And make something happen. 771 00:55:37,542 --> 00:55:38,502 So... 772 00:55:39,336 --> 00:55:42,796 We decided that we would go into one of these caves... 773 00:55:42,964 --> 00:55:46,304 and... invoke the god Pan. 774 00:55:49,387 --> 00:55:53,347 [ ♪ Hellier theme plays on piano ♪ ] 64013

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