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[ ♪ Hellier Theme ♪ ]
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[Amy] Hi!
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[Greg] Hey Amy!
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-How ya doing?
-I'm good, how are you doing?
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-Good
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-I'm sorry it took me
so long to track you down.
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-It's ok
-I didn't know what happened to ya.
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How long have you been--
how long have you been there?
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-Um, right after I got off,
right after I started talking to you
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-No kidding
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When we, when it came time to
do the chat, we had
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horrible cell signal, like, we
didn't even have cell signal at the cabin.
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but we had WiFi and
the WiFi was too terrible,
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it wouldn't even let us do a video call.
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So we had to drive into town,
into the middle of Somerset,
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and use a hotspot on my
phone to do this video chat.
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And I was really nervous, it was really
hot, and we were parked in the shade,
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and, we just kinda sat there
waiting, waiting for her to pick up.
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And she picked up, and for the
first time, we actually talked
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face to face.
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I guess my biggest questions for you,
because of the timing of when you emailed,
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where, where did you
hear the term "ufonaut"?
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I heard the term because
of some shit that was going on
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and some things that I
had seen while I was there,
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and I Googled what
it was that I had seen.
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-Ok,-And that’s what it, came up
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-What about the term "sluf"?
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-I've heard that too
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But... do you know anything
about the military's involvement?
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-I know what
people online say.
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I know that they talk about secret
underground bases and things like that,
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-I started this because
I heard a girl screaming,
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whenever we were staying in
a camper out there by the lake.
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-Okay.
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-I started digging
into something then,
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I thought I was digging into
a creepy old guy named Ed
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that lived right up the street and
I thought he was a serial killer.
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Turned out to be something that
I wasn’t capable of fighting on my own,
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-Okay
-Or doing something with,
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and it was--it was
much bigger than that.
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And it wound up landing me
a bunch of felonies, and--
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I will never be able to go back
to being a school teacher again.
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-You were a schoolteacher?
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-Mmhm, third grade.
- Oh wow.
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-I mean... it's
ruined my entire life.
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-Where.. alright, so one
of the things that you mentioned,
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I have your, I have your emails, I
printed them out so I could have 'em,
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you, you mentioned something about
worshiping the Green Man.
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Can you give me more about that?
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-I can tell you that there
are a bunch of them that lives
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in the caves out there.
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They'll, they are a whole
underground network.
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In their mines in the caves. And
they are all over the place out there.
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-What...
-I'm gonna warn you though,
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-You better be careful digging
into something that you don't...
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cause once you do... you can't unsee,
you can't unknow it.
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And, I'm... you just can't,
and it's really...
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it screwed my whole life up.
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And I still have no clue of anything,
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and I, I know that I don’t
even know what I know,
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Does that make sense?
-I understand.
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I know what you, I
understand what you mean.
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[Greg] One of the weirdest things
about talking to Amy was...
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In her initial emails, she talks
about the Green Man,
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and she talks about Beltane,
and she talks about people
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worshiping the Green Man.
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Tyler then sees a Green Man.
A literal Green Man on a tree,
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after getting lost at the coordinates and,
and popping out and seeing this thing.
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It was very pointed.
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You know, and then we're
looking into the connections
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into, you know, Pan, this earth
energy. The rebirth of Pan sets
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us down this path that also starts to talk
about Pan's connection to the Green Man.
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These things all lined
up, in a very spooky manner.
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So we start to talk to Amy,
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and her green men are literal
little green men.
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They're not THE Green Man, like she
doesn't even have any concept for that.
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Which is really weird, because you
look at those emails, and I don't see
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any other way to interpret
what she's talking about,
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other than the idea of the Green Man
god, or the Green Man earth spirit.
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And now she’s saying no, they
worship the little green men.
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So, she gives us this description
that's just the goblins again.
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So it's gone, from goblins, to the
Green Man spirit, Pan,
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back to goblins again...
Which is bizarre!
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All of the dead ends...
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Are, purposeful...
They're pointed.
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It's like they're time activated almost,
like everything needs to be a different
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thing at a different time,
much like the phenomena.
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The facts themselves are shifting,
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to be what they need to be
when they need to be it,
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for us to still get to the same point.
That's bizarre to me.
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Can you tell me more about Doug
and how he might know who I am?
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-I... don't know, he just said
that I needed to look up somebody who
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done this kind
of thing for a living,
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and um...
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he just said that I would,
that, he pointed you out
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and said that you would
know how to help me.
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-How do you know Doug?
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-I have known
Doug for the last 20 years.
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-But he's, he's...
-He's an older man
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-He's an older guy?
-Mmhm
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-If you, if you had to succinctly sum up
what you think is happening in Somerset,
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what you think is happening in these
caves, how would you sum that up?
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-Well, what honestly,
I don't know.
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I know that they are Pagan...
they have rituals out there.
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-Ok
-I know that much,
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but that doesn't necessarily mean
that that's one group of people,
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because I'm finding so many
different things going on out there.
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So I don't know if it would be Pagan,
Wiccan crap, or if it's...
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underground human trafficking.
I don't know what's going on out there.
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All I know is, is that some really
serious shit is going on out there,
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and, nobody lives there.
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You can, they have--they have
tree stands, and people watch out there.
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It's almost, it's, I swear, I
believe it's government.
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Ok look, there's a house,
it's on Hail Bridge road. It's like,
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there's an elevator, in the bathroom,
that goes down to the mineshaft in there.
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-In the house?
-Yes in the house.
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So do you think, my wheelhouse
is really mostly in paranormal phenomena,
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UFO's, Bigfoot, things like that.
Like, that's what I do.
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So, government conspiracies,
military conspiracies, things
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like that are a little
out of my wheelhouse.
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Do you believe there's a paranormal
connection or do you think this is
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totally just people doing bad things?
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-I don't think Area 51 is in
New Mexico. I'm trying to tell you,
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it is in Somerset Kentucky.
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-Okay.
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Okay.
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Is there anything now, or in the last
five minutes, is there anything that
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I need to know before I start
digging into this more seriously,
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anything at all?
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-Dig quietly...
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Dig quietly. Do not be as loud as I
was 'cause I went in with a sledgehammer.
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I'm telling you there’s a whole
civilization of these down there,
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and you can hear them... way
before you get deeper in.
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-What are they?
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-I don't know.
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I don't know, but they are like a,
lime green.
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And, um....
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I don't know, it, I border on, we call it,
me and my mom joke about it,
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call 'em "Hills Have Eyes". I don't know.
If you wanna know the truth about it,
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I really don't know.
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This literally shook
my entire life,
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and it started with a girl
screaming in the woods.
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And ended with a lot of questions,
and a whole lot of felony charges,
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and we've got six seconds.
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-I'll plan another call
with you, we'll talk more.
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-Okay.
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I don't even know
what to make of that.
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I...
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I'm more confused
now than I was before.
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She sounds...
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It's clear that she wants me
to look into something.
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But I don't know if I trust exactly
what she's telling me to look into
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She did not back
down from her story.
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in fact, there were
more details to her story,
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that made a lot of the
earlier emails make sense.
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It really started to seem like
she had seen something,
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and she even admitted to us...
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she saw something, and she does not really
know how to make sense of what she saw.
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and she's doing her
best to make sense of it.
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[Amy, from computer]
...a whole lot of felony charges
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and we've got six seconds...
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[Greg] I'll plan another call
with you, we'll talk more.
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[Amy] Okay.
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Wow
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[Tyler laughs]
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[Dana] Hmmm....
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[Tyler] Hmm.
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[Dana] I dunno...
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[Greg] How did that make
you feel, watching that?
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- Really anxious.
I have a real bad feeling about it.
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To be perfectly honest with you.
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[Connor] Ditto
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[Tyler laughs]
[Connor] I, you know it's funny, so...
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It would be a heck of a lot easier if
you made that phone call, far away.
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[Dana] Yeah
-But we're in the town.
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It's right down the road.
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Like that's...
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[Dana] And it scares me too...
-Like, I'm scared
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[Dana] because it's so, it's also so
close to Cincinnati, like...
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[Dana] it's two hours away from
Cincinnati
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[Greg] The cave is less than
a mile down the river.
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-It's gonna be really easy to reach,
I know exactly the cave that it is.
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We have a map even of that cave.
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-That's not the point I
was trying to make,
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I was trying to make the point of
-Yeah
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-The people that are the scary people
are literally surrounding us right now
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[Tyler] Mmhm.
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-And the worst part
is like I feel bad for her
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-Somerset's weird!
-Yeah
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-There's weird stuff going on, there's,
I mean, talking to absolutely normal
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people, talking to the guy from
the museum today,
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there's a lot of weird
stuff that's going on here
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It just depends on who's telling you the
story, you're getting their own version.
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Marginality is potentially a factor in
somebody who has paranormal
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activity and phenomena occurring
around them or called to them.
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It frankly seems a lot more likely
to occur in more marginalized areas,
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like Hellier, like the
outskirts of Somerset.
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And so, it gets to a point where
you realize after reading enough
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that that's a risk that you're gonna
have to be willing to take.
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-She didn’t back down from
her story, which I found surprising.
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Um, she gave more details for us to
look into, and so, the thing right now,
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like you said it best, like,
we are paranormal investigators.
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So what we have, is interestingly enough,
a call back to little goblin creatures.
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Not the green men of ancient myth
and worship in the olden times,
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but rather, like, she's saying
there's creatures in the mines.
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So, what, this is what,
what I would propose is this,
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We try to find some green men,
maybe, while we're here.
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Let's bring that case, let's look for
the paranormal aspect then close the
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chapter for us, hand it off.
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- I'm wondering more, is it
possible to separate it?
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Once we start looking into one
aspect of what she sent us off on,
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are we intrinsically intertwined
into that story?
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That's what I'm worried about.
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And I think probably,
we should all be worried about.
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So we, we already made the decision,
like, talking about it now doesn't
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do anything, we already made the decision.
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So now we just have to do
what we came here to do,
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and, go into some caves, and see
what we see, let's continue the ritual.
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We're here for a reason, we might not
even totally understand that reason yet,
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but we're here for a reason
and we need to see that through.
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- Initiations don't exist without fear.
Right?
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-Literally. Yeah.
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[Lonnie] What do you think
of aliens? Do they exist?
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[Jason]
Yes, I guess, I don't think that they've
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necessarily been here
and visited us,
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because I don't know that they, I
mean, with all the galaxies and all
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the stars I have a hard time
believing, you know, we're it.
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I just think that it's really
statistically probably not the case.
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[Lonnie]
Welcome back.
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- [sniffs] Oh....
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-How do you feel?
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- Really good.
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-Really good?
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-I'm good.
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Very sleepy.
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-Very sleepy? Yeah?
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Watery eyes are,
for the purpose of everyone
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else watching, are a common symptom
of a successful hypnotic session.
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So, if you didn't think you experienced
hypnosis in high school,
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you most certainly did just now.
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- Yeah, not, they weren't like grays,
they weren't like the ones like I was--
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sort of,
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-Wasn't what you expected?
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-Not at all
-Not at all?
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-Like I'm calm now, but I feel like
I just went through, like,
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a whirlwind of a lot of stuff.
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-It's--how much
time do you feel has gone by?
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- It feels like forever but I mean I don't
know, how many hours has it been?
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[Greg] It's been
like, twenty minutes.
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- [Lonnie chuckling]
- Are you fucking with me?
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[Nick] Dude, no.
It's been, yeah, twenty minutes maybe
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- I feel like I, no, you guys are
fucking with me.
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[VHS tape sounds]
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- What is your name?
- My name is Jason Gowin.
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- What do you remember about the
night of October 14, 2012?
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- I remember we were filming
for Planet Weird.
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We were going to do an experiment.
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I was supposed to be an alien
abduction induction,
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I don't... there's not a lot
else I remember.
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as far as what happens to me.
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Like I know... things that I've
been told.
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I know
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that I get a very uneasy feeling
whenever
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this conversation comes up.
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But I don't... the events of the
actual "abduction"
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I don't recall.
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- Do you believe in UFO's?
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- Yes.
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- Yeah? Do you believe in
alien entities?
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- Yes.
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It's interesting, because now
I feel a little more
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foreboding at the very idea
of aliens.
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- Do you think that there are people
being abducted by aliens?
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- You know, I think that it's in
the realm of possibility.
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I'm Lonnie Scott, I'm a
professional hypnotist
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and hypnosis instructor.
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I'm also a practicing occultist.
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[laughs] Well I was excited
for the challenge.
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Memory is a tricky thing, and false
memories are easy to create.
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And I thought by creating that
experience in someone,
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under the safety and the guidance of
knowing that that's what we were doing
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as an experiment, and not trying to
fulfill a recovery of an abduction
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experience from someone who was
afraid that that may have
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happened to them... I wanted to
see if false memories
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were that easy to create.
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And show that there is a danger
to irresponsible regression.
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I always thought it was a little bit
of a stretch to link Terry
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to the hypnosis experiment.
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I never really thought that that's
what he was talking about,
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but there have been a lot of aspects
of this case that do seem to support
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doing that experiment.
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It keeps coming up, this whole idea
of trance states
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being an aspect of alien
abduction.
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There are some interesting elements
of "Flying Saucer to the Center of
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Your Mind" that supported our
motivation to try
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the hypnosis experiment.
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Because even Keel was arguing that
it seemed like the UFO
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phenomena is less something
happening out here,
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and more something that's happening
in here.
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"The major theory now evolving among
top ufologists
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is that a large percentage of all UFO
contacts and ground-level
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experiences are entirely
hallucinatory - "
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[Greg] Out of the five of us,who do you think
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would be a good candidate?
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-All of you.
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Absolutely, all of you. It's just
a particular state of mind.
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[Greg] I think Strand is just
too nuts to go, frankly.
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[Tyler laughs]
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- We've all got some real wacky
things up in our brains.
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- I think that's it. I think that the
three of us in particular
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would be too...
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I don't think people would trust the
process as much if it was
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one of the three of us.
[Tyler] Yeah, definitely.
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- How would you feel if you went,
Connor?
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- I am... nervous. I think I
probably could do it,
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But I also think Dana could.
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And I'm a little bit... I'm nervous.
Yeah.
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- I mean if we're going just based on
the amount of time
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in the Estes Method, I mean it's...
you three. For sure.
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I think Dana is out of the running
already. I just don't...
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[Dana] Because it's such a strange
experiment and it's so easily
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potentially spun out of control,
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it needed to be the people who are
the most grounded.
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Who could ground that experience and
actually come back with information
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- Karl is the most objective, absolutely.
[Greg] Yeah.
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I'm good with Karl, are you guys
good with Karl?
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[Tyler] Yeah, absolutely.
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[Dana] Yep. Mmhm.
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[Lonnie] If all I have to say to you are
key phrases or words, for you to
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go to the dentist and have a
root canal,
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go home, use more of those
hypnotic techniques,
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just words, spoken to you
in the correct manner,
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and then heal faster from that,
why couldn't you use
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those same sorts of techniques
to contact spirits, or
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travel to other worlds within your
own mind?
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Who knows what the possibilities
really are.
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[Greg] At the end of the day,
Lonnie knows
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we need to get actionable,
objective information out of this
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somehow.
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That we wouldn't have otherwise
known.
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So he knows that's the goal of this
whole experiment.
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So no matter what,
that's the, the end aim.
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- But it sounds like your mindset
though too, if we do get information,
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we aren't going to necessarily know
tonight whether or not that's something
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we don't know, cause it's
going to require research.
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- But that's the point.
- If we get an answer, yeah.
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- That's the exact point, is having
information that we can find out later,
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is real information.
- Yeah
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[Lonnie] This time isn't about creating
false experiences or false memories.
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This time is much more in line
with magical and occult practices
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of using trance to, visit places on,
in inner worlds that could probably
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be connected to outer worlds to
retrieve information like we were
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talking about earlier, to create,
meet and perhaps create allies.
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That is a much more traditional use of
trance in magical and occult practices.
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- In a lot of ways, I feel like we're just
doing a human Estes method
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- [Tyler] Yeah
- [Dana] That's sort of what it is.
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- And I think maybe that's the
best way to look at it.
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We're doing a human Estes method.
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[Lonnie] Are we ready?
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[Greg] Do you think we're
going to be successful?
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-I know we're gonna
be successful. Absolutely.
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[Lonnie] I see no reason why we
should wait any further.
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-Alright
-Alright, let's do it
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-You ready?
-Yeah!
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[Lonnie laughs] Great!
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-Go ahead, close your eyes and
take a good deep breath,
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[Karl takes a good deep breath]
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-Very good. Take
another deep breath.
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[Karl takes another deep breath]
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- Very good. And as you begin to
allow your body to just simply relax,
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with each and every breath,
settling into a nice, normal rhythm.
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Now in a moment, I'm going to count
down, and on each and every count,
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you can double, or even triple
that sense of relaxation.
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Five.
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Four.
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Drifting... Further...
and further...
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Three.
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Two.
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All the way down, towards
that far and distant horizon.
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One.
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Zero.
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Your mind and your body
are now in that place where you can
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accept any of the
suggestions that are given.
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With each and every
step into that place,
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you are left with nothing more than
the ability to peer into that darkness,
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to know that you are part of a process.
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You are part of a bigger role.
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And that you are here,
not only as a witness,
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as you have been
to so many mysteries,
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but you are here now
to be a voice to those mysteries.
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Now when I ask you a question,
you will be able to answer me.
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-Have you found
yourself in that place?
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- Yes
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- Ask your own intuition, show you
something to reveal in that room,
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where you're at now, a sign,
a symbol, a word, a phrase,
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maybe even an item as a deeper clue.
Ask for clarity.
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What's going on in Hellier?
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- There's a gateway.
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-A gateway to what?
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- To these other places.
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- Is the gateway open?
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-It's closed.
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-Are you supposed to open it?
Or is it supposed to be closed?
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- We're supposed to open it.
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- And what happens
when that gateway opens?
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- They get to come out.
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- Ask again, only this time, what's
going on in Somerset?
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- Somerset's a place
on the fringes.
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- The fringes of that gateway?
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- The fringes of
the places in between.
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- So Somerset is
a liminal place?
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- Yeah
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I will say, when I was editing the
footage, I noticed that Dana used
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a very similar expression in the tin can
tunnel while doing the Estes method
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when asked about where
we should use the tones.
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- [Greg] Where do we use this?
That’s the question.
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- [Greg] We're a bit
overwhelmed at the moment
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- In the space between.
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- [Greg] In the space between.
- [Tyler] ooof....
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Obviously we've all got a lot
of liminality on the brain right now.
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And, I've seen that clip before,
probably a couple of times,
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watching through the whole thing.
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But, that's purely a subconscious thing
at work, because that was not
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a connection that I had ever made.
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[Lonnie] What happened
to Indrid Cold?
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[Karl] Give me a sec.
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- There may be a book, that's
present in that room,
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there could be a sudden
video that begins playing?
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- Yeah, I've been using the books
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- Send the signal now,
whether it is now, later,
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in a dream, an inspiration, or a
sudden idea in the days to come,
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that clue will unravel, that your
subconscious mind will go to the puzzle
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and begin to put the pieces together.
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00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:38,439
-What happened
to David Christie?
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- I feel like he keeps
saying that he's dead.
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- Who keeps saying that he's dead?
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- I check the books, and I wait
to see what text shows up.
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During the hypnosis experiment,
we start hearing these noises,
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upstairs. And it sounds
almost like footsteps.
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But it didn't sound
like the normal creaking
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that we had gotten
used to around the cabin,
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the settling noises. It seemed like
while Karl was under,
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like the place was coming alive.
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- If Hellier is a gateway,
Somerset is at the fringe,
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What are the goblins?
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- Gatekeepers
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They're, around those spaces.
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- Are they there to keep us out?
Or show us the way in?
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- They're more of a byproduct.
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- The gate exists,
so a gatekeeper exists in turn?
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- Yeah
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- Do they have to be appeased,
or receive offerings,
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or some sort of signal to allow
access to those gates?
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- They have to be summoned?
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with... bread?
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- And how does that work?
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- They're the minions
of the something
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-Just, you leave it for em
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- So offerings of bread
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- I guess.
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- If not who we're supposed to talk to,
what are we supposed to do?
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- You're supposed to
find the fountain.
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- How will we know if it's
the correct fountain?
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00:32:41,709 --> 00:32:43,169
- I don't know
465
00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:50,431
- Karl, I've got one final task
for you in this place,
466
00:32:53,596 --> 00:32:56,716
you may want to go through that door
again, one more time,
467
00:32:56,724 --> 00:32:59,984
that ladder, that gateway,
to access some place.
468
00:32:59,978 --> 00:33:02,398
It may be the same,
it may be different,
469
00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:05,317
a place you can speak to,
and communicate with
470
00:33:05,316 --> 00:33:07,776
any of your allies and guardians,
471
00:33:07,777 --> 00:33:11,197
or any being that may be there to
communicate with you now.
472
00:33:11,572 --> 00:33:14,082
Have you gone into that other place?
473
00:33:18,204 --> 00:33:19,214
- Yeah
474
00:33:19,872 --> 00:33:23,962
-And is there someone or something
there that you can communicate
475
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,670
with, waiting for you?
476
00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:38,725
- Yeah
477
00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:43,354
-Ask them...
478
00:33:46,524 --> 00:33:52,784
...for a sign. Ask them to affect
something in our physical world.
479
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:59,696
And have them tell you now how
we will know that it is them.
480
00:34:01,122 --> 00:34:03,422
Can they do that for us?
481
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,500
-He says
it's gonna be big.
482
00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:10,514
- And how will we know it was them?
483
00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:12,799
- You'll know.
484
00:34:17,597 --> 00:34:21,177
- They're not sharing any more
details than "it's going to be big"?
485
00:34:26,606 --> 00:34:32,236
- I mean I got like a mental picture
of, like all the windows exploding
486
00:34:34,363 --> 00:34:36,323
- And who are you talking to?
487
00:34:38,618 --> 00:34:41,578
- It's, like a large praying mantis.
488
00:34:49,212 --> 00:34:52,172
- Communicating in symbol? Words?
489
00:34:52,715 --> 00:34:54,505
- Yeah, he can talk.
490
00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:59,387
Although, my mind kind of
jumps to the answer.
491
00:34:59,847 --> 00:35:03,557
-Again, something big,
and windows exploding.
492
00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:09,613
- Yeah, it's like a sign, just like...
powerful you know?
493
00:35:10,149 --> 00:35:13,989
- If they have a symbol,
or something we can call on them,
494
00:35:15,238 --> 00:35:17,908
ask them to please share that symbol now.
495
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:28,924
I dunno, I'm kinda getting like, like
a pyramid with a light coming out of it.
496
00:35:29,877 --> 00:35:32,587
Like in, Vegas
497
00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:44,600
It feels like, like something complex is
trying to be shown to me, but it's...
498
00:35:47,687 --> 00:35:51,767
- Does it feel too complex?
In this place and in this time?
499
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:53,990
To fully comprehend?
500
00:35:54,193 --> 00:35:55,193
- Yeah
501
00:35:55,194 --> 00:36:00,124
- Thank them for their presence. Come
back to your room of peace and power.
502
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:04,409
In a moment, I'm going to
count from one to five.
503
00:36:05,705 --> 00:36:06,905
One
504
00:36:07,415 --> 00:36:11,665
Know that you can access
this place in your mind any time.
505
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,920
Two
506
00:36:14,338 --> 00:36:19,218
Know now that you have the power to
relax simply by willing it to be so.
507
00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:21,885
Three
508
00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:28,845
You are connected to your allies,
your guards, and your guardians.
509
00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:31,521
Four
510
00:36:32,106 --> 00:36:34,566
Karl, take a good deep breath in.
511
00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:42,866
And five. Whenever you are
ready, you may open your eyes.
512
00:36:45,786 --> 00:36:47,036
How'd you like that?
513
00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:52,921
- It was... that was alright.
- Yeah, I think you did a great job.
514
00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:54,959
- Thanks.
- [Lonnie chuckles] You're welcome.
515
00:37:00,176 --> 00:37:03,466
- That was weird.
[everyone else laughs]
516
00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:07,141
I'm still not really sure what I think
about the hypnosis experiment,
517
00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:13,401
It... was... really uncomfortable.
And really frustrating.
518
00:37:13,397 --> 00:37:17,567
But it's really hard, I was basically just
trying to like, get into a trance state,
519
00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:20,818
and then almost do word association.
Anything that was said,
520
00:37:20,821 --> 00:37:23,531
I would just try to take the first
thing that popped into my head.
521
00:37:23,824 --> 00:37:27,544
Literally just trying to like, remove my
conscious mind from the situation.
522
00:37:27,536 --> 00:37:33,416
So any time I got something kind of random
and weird, or just spat something out,
523
00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:38,458
that's usually interesting. You know like
that was the closest we could get
524
00:37:38,464 --> 00:37:41,184
to what I think we were trying to do.
525
00:37:41,175 --> 00:37:45,175
- Yeah, it's tough too to separate like
my conscious mind from it too, I was...
526
00:37:45,179 --> 00:37:47,429
- [Greg] I could notice
you doing that, yeah.
527
00:37:47,431 --> 00:37:50,271
- [Tyler] How did you feel about like
the symbolism of the fountain,
528
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,978
around that area, do
you remember that?
529
00:37:51,978 --> 00:37:57,648
- The fountain popped in, it felt, in my
brain it was like, almost like a...
530
00:37:57,942 --> 00:38:03,242
like one of those, like stone,
like fountain, in a cave...
531
00:38:03,572 --> 00:38:05,072
Or...
- [Tyler] Ok...
532
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:10,000
- A stream, like a fountain of a
stream start maybe in a cave,
533
00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:12,206
and then that fountain
in like a square,
534
00:38:12,206 --> 00:38:16,666
like a landmark kind of thing that
if we came across one at a certain point
535
00:38:16,669 --> 00:38:19,419
it would be like "there’s the fount.."
ya know that sort of thing.
536
00:38:21,882 --> 00:38:24,802
- [Kyle] I'll tell you something I
absolutely love about our town,
537
00:38:24,802 --> 00:38:28,312
is it seems like it was founded
on the same strangeness,
538
00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:33,636
our well, I can't remember what
year it's founded, it was founded at, but
539
00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:38,614
it was our main well for the whole area
and it now has this bell on it that says
540
00:38:38,607 --> 00:38:42,817
"anyone who drinks from this water
shall always return to Somerset"
541
00:38:44,488 --> 00:38:46,658
[Karl] There were two things that
came out of my hypnosis session
542
00:38:46,657 --> 00:38:48,527
that showed up two days later.
543
00:38:50,745 --> 00:38:55,245
I had described a pyramid shape,
and a fountain or a spring.
544
00:38:56,792 --> 00:39:00,052
[Greg] Wow, so was this like a
natural spring? Is the idea that it was
545
00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,296
[Kyle] Yeah
[Greg] healing water or something?
546
00:39:02,298 --> 00:39:07,428
[Kyle] Yeah this was where everyone
in the town and this was also our like,
547
00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:11,348
meeting place.
[Greg] Make a wish, take a drink.
548
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,479
[Kyle] Have wisdom
and return to Somerset
549
00:39:13,476 --> 00:39:15,766
[Greg] Oh yeah wow!
Look at that!
550
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:18,610
[Kyle] Whoever drinks from the old
town spring will have wisdom
551
00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:20,686
and will always return to Somerset.
552
00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:25,699
[Karl] Two days later Kyle takes us down
to this old decrepit city center,
553
00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:29,826
and right there is a pyramid,
and a spring,
554
00:39:29,825 --> 00:39:32,745
which almost kind of looked like
a fountain if you flipped it over,
555
00:39:32,745 --> 00:39:35,705
that might have been a fountain
at a certain point earlier.
556
00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:38,962
It's basically, what
came up in my session.
557
00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:43,170
The pyramid even had an eye
etched in it, like an all seeing eye,
558
00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:44,842
which was one of the
impressions that I got.
559
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:50,353
I don’t know what this means,
it wasn't like an ahha! moment,
560
00:39:50,346 --> 00:39:52,806
I didn't even kind of realize it
at the time until I put the pieces
561
00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:57,437
together later. But it does seem
to suggest, perhaps, that there's
562
00:39:57,436 --> 00:40:01,066
something more happening than just
getting in touch with my subconscious
563
00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:03,145
to get it's opinions about this case.
564
00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:06,610
[Greg] So this used to be a well,
and then he just put the bell in there?
565
00:40:06,612 --> 00:40:08,492
[Kyle] Yeah.
[Greg laughs]
566
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,615
[Greg] I mean, looking at it I wouldn't
be surprised if there used to be
567
00:40:11,617 --> 00:40:13,157
a fountain in there.
[Kyle] Yeah.
568
00:40:13,619 --> 00:40:17,209
[Karl] It seemed like there was
something, perhaps more psychical,
569
00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:20,286
or perhaps something
was communicating,
570
00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:26,882
and that that area, if not the
center of Somerset, was important.
571
00:40:28,717 --> 00:40:32,467
As early as the 1950's, a man by the
name of Williamson was claiming
572
00:40:32,471 --> 00:40:36,561
telepathic contact with beings on Sirius,
some of it by means of an alleged
573
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:41,149
intergalactic radio which he demonstrated
to followers at his Telonic Research
574
00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:45,527
Center in Prescott, Arizona.
Literally have a note here,
575
00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:48,196
Estes method?
[Connor] An intergalactic radio?!
576
00:40:48,195 --> 00:40:51,525
[Connor] Like this?! [laughs]
[Greg] uh-huh! Exactly.
577
00:40:51,532 --> 00:40:56,162
[Greg] This, idea, continuously pops up
over and over and over
578
00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:57,712
in everything I've been reading.
579
00:40:57,705 --> 00:41:02,035
Contactee cases, they talk about,
I think there's a book called UFOs Speak?
580
00:41:02,042 --> 00:41:08,472
It's all about how they used a radio,
tuned between stations, that would...
581
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:13,933
basically cause a psychic
connection with them.
582
00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:16,969
Whoever they are. Again,
sounds a lot like the Estes method.
583
00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:23,484
In fact, the man who popularized the
Men in Black, Albert Bender, a magician,
584
00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:27,441
people don't really realize this,
he was doing rituals in his apartment,
585
00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:33,123
and then was visited by three men, all
dressed in black, and, they told him
586
00:41:33,115 --> 00:41:36,075
you can contact us by tuning
your radio between the stations,
587
00:41:36,076 --> 00:41:41,166
it allows us to come, in and out.
Another weird Estes method thing.
588
00:41:50,633 --> 00:41:53,343
[Insects chirping. Static]
589
00:42:02,228 --> 00:42:04,648
[Greg] I don't like ghost boxes,
that's part of the reason
590
00:42:04,647 --> 00:42:06,727
why I like the Estes method so much,
591
00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:11,528
I don't really care for ghost boxes,
but there is genuinely something
592
00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:14,659
very strange about
the boxes that Frank built.
593
00:42:18,327 --> 00:42:19,657
[Greg] We...
594
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,330
attempted to do an Estes method
with one a few weeks ago
595
00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:26,713
and it was straight up weird.
596
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:32,379
[Greg] Alright..
[Dana] Ugh!
597
00:42:35,594 --> 00:42:38,314
It was like this really
loud scream sound
598
00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:43,022
My head is going waaw, waaw,
waaw, waaw...
599
00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:48,272
[Greg, screaming]
Nope!
600
00:42:52,736 --> 00:42:55,066
[Dana] What happened?
[Greg] I'm done for the night.
601
00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:59,201
It's nothing like, I've ever experienced
with just doing the Estes method
602
00:42:59,201 --> 00:43:02,831
using an SB7. Like it's a
very different experience.
603
00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:08,210
For me, using the Frank's box, it
felt like a whole body experience,
604
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:11,710
so like, lots of tingling sensations,
lots of feelings of being kind of
605
00:43:11,714 --> 00:43:13,424
swept up into a current.
606
00:43:13,424 --> 00:43:19,474
The Frank's box is an early version of
the same type of equipment that we use
607
00:43:19,471 --> 00:43:25,231
for the Estes method. It is a box
built by the name of Frank Sumption,
608
00:43:25,227 --> 00:43:32,187
and they were created, Frank believes,
under the influence of extraterrestrials.
609
00:43:32,484 --> 00:43:34,614
And they're incredibly rare.
610
00:43:34,987 --> 00:43:39,197
I think I was just looking the
other day and I think Frank only made,
611
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,579
he made less than two hundred
of these things before he died.
612
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:48,380
And, he didn't sell them. He only gave
them to people that he felt were right.
613
00:43:49,001 --> 00:43:55,131
And, the fact that we ended up with one,
literally days before we were,
614
00:43:55,132 --> 00:44:00,182
going to Somerset, it felt like we were
supposed to use the Frank's box...
615
00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:03,559
with the Estes method.
In Somerset.
616
00:44:09,146 --> 00:44:10,646
You're dazzled.
617
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:15,860
[Dana] Dazzle?
618
00:44:15,861 --> 00:44:18,281
Multiple people, right now.
619
00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,407
You're closer.
620
00:44:21,408 --> 00:44:28,458
[Dana] It was weird [laughs], he, he
adopted this very strange accent
621
00:44:28,457 --> 00:44:33,667
that we really, none of us could figure
out what it was, but it was consistent
622
00:44:33,671 --> 00:44:36,721
throughout the entire thing
which I thought was interesting.
623
00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:43,009
It, it was actually kind of scary.
Partially through,
624
00:44:43,013 --> 00:44:47,103
part of the way through it, I started
to get a little bit concerned about
625
00:44:47,101 --> 00:44:50,771
whether or not he was sort of
getting in a little too deep.
626
00:44:50,771 --> 00:44:52,821
Can you tell us who you are?
627
00:44:53,524 --> 00:44:55,444
How we should refer to you?
628
00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:58,994
Names are really
important to us.
629
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,780
[Tyler] We thank you.
630
00:45:04,201 --> 00:45:07,041
[Connor] Seems like there's a
couple of aspects here,
631
00:45:07,037 --> 00:45:12,537
there's the potential, for physical
beings, in these caves,
632
00:45:12,751 --> 00:45:17,341
and there's a potential for contact,
with the higher phenomena.
633
00:45:17,965 --> 00:45:20,585
Are we correct in that thesis?
634
00:45:20,592 --> 00:45:24,642
[Tyler] Sounds like Connor-Connor.
Two repeats, Connor-Connor.
635
00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:26,596
[Connor] Coner Conard?
636
00:45:26,598 --> 00:45:29,348
[Greg] Coner Conard that's
what I was thinking.
637
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:35,820
We're a little confused because we
keep feeling like this thread with
638
00:45:35,816 --> 00:45:38,686
Indrid Cold and, his
crew and his family..
639
00:45:38,694 --> 00:45:40,864
[Tyler] This is just a blip.
640
00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:47,621
- It feels like that thread is done.
- [Connor] Mmhm
641
00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:52,325
- And we don't know what to make
of all this information, about...
642
00:45:52,666 --> 00:45:59,506
Indrid, and Karl and Coner...
Coner and Conard...
643
00:46:04,344 --> 00:46:06,314
What are we supposed to
do with that information?
644
00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:10,427
- Leave it alone!
Trust it.
645
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:17,270
[Tyler] You point to the story.
646
00:46:20,944 --> 00:46:23,744
Try not to ruin, the story.
647
00:46:27,951 --> 00:46:32,331
[Connor] I guess we're tearing apart
the old contactee...stuff?
648
00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:35,583
Not really tearing it apart
I think we're doing it a justice...
649
00:46:35,584 --> 00:46:36,544
[Tyler] About me
650
00:46:37,252 --> 00:46:38,632
[Greg] Who are you?
651
00:46:41,215 --> 00:46:43,965
If we're gonna tell your story, properly,
652
00:46:43,967 --> 00:46:46,347
we need to know whose
story we're telling.
653
00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:57,187
- I always talked about peace.
For years.
654
00:46:59,650 --> 00:47:03,360
- [Dana] Is it, Indrid? I'm thinking it's
Indrid. The whole time I'm feeling
655
00:47:03,362 --> 00:47:04,612
like this is Indrid.
656
00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:05,573
- [Tyler] It's crazy.
657
00:47:08,951 --> 00:47:11,701
- It sounds more like Terry's Indrid.
- [Dana] Mmhm
658
00:47:11,703 --> 00:47:16,503
- Than Derenberger's Indrid. It
sounds like scarier Indrid.
659
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:17,750
- [Tyler] He is one
660
00:47:17,751 --> 00:47:24,381
[everyone laughing]
661
00:47:24,758 --> 00:47:25,758
- [Tyler] Ok.
662
00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:30,811
- [Greg] If this is...
- [Connor] Why is it taking this route?
663
00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:35,095
- [Greg] Are you stuck?
- [Tyler] Your name?
664
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,060
- [Dana] You want our name?
665
00:47:38,689 --> 00:47:43,739
- I'm Greg, this is Dana,
this is Karl, and this is Connor.
666
00:47:44,027 --> 00:47:45,777
What's your name?
667
00:47:50,117 --> 00:47:52,657
- My name, is, Michael.
668
00:47:56,832 --> 00:47:58,632
- [Dana] Oh my god...
669
00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:01,419
- Thank you Michael
- Hi...
670
00:48:02,004 --> 00:48:03,384
- It's nice to meet you
671
00:48:04,381 --> 00:48:09,851
- We are, w, we are,
- [Dana whispers] we are "w"?
672
00:48:09,845 --> 00:48:11,135
- Are sun.
673
00:48:14,683 --> 00:48:18,193
- Michael where are you from?
Maybe that'll help.
674
00:48:20,856 --> 00:48:22,646
Where are you from Michael?
675
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:28,700
We're from here, Earth, if
you're not here.
676
00:48:30,532 --> 00:48:34,042
Specifically in Kentucky, in the,
United States of America...
677
00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:35,076
- [Tyler] Sunny
678
00:48:37,581 --> 00:48:39,711
- [Dana] What? What is that?
- [Tyler] The talisman.
679
00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:42,378
- [Greg] The talisman?
680
00:48:42,669 --> 00:48:43,669
- And
681
00:48:56,058 --> 00:49:00,898
- [Connor] What do you look like?
Would we recognize you if we saw you?
682
00:49:01,605 --> 00:49:02,645
- The angel.
683
00:49:02,856 --> 00:49:06,526
- [Dana gasps] I knew that's what it was!
I was, that was my next fuckin question.
684
00:49:06,526 --> 00:49:07,486
I knew it!
685
00:49:13,992 --> 00:49:15,542
- [Dana] That's a big... big..
686
00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:19,373
- I gave Tyler a blessed medallion of
Saint Michael the archangel
687
00:49:19,373 --> 00:49:21,793
- [Tyler] I know.
- [Dana] You gave him that one?
688
00:49:21,792 --> 00:49:22,752
- [Connor] Three days ago.
689
00:49:23,835 --> 00:49:26,755
I thought that it would be fun if I
brought something from my faith
690
00:49:26,755 --> 00:49:32,635
background of Catholicism.
I, had chosen a little medallion,
691
00:49:32,636 --> 00:49:38,766
a little talisman per se, with depictions
of different patron saints on them.
692
00:49:38,767 --> 00:49:42,057
And I gave Tyler a
medallion of Saint Michael.
693
00:49:42,729 --> 00:49:46,019
- [Connor] Huh...
- [Dana] Why are you here with us?
694
00:49:52,781 --> 00:49:54,621
- He's part of this
695
00:49:54,616 --> 00:49:59,286
- Michael do you understand that we need
to know that this is the right thing to do
696
00:49:59,663 --> 00:50:03,173
- [Tyler] The process...
Believe it.
697
00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:06,342
Connor...
698
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,880
You're...are...
699
00:50:14,886 --> 00:50:17,216
[Tyler] Wig, out.
700
00:50:17,222 --> 00:50:20,022
[everyone laughing]
- [Connor] Yes I am!
701
00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:24,807
Yes I am! You know what,
alright, thanks guys!
702
00:50:25,355 --> 00:50:29,105
I don't wanna go inside by myself.
Alright...
703
00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:32,241
- [Greg] Alright listen...
- [Dana] wait, wait, should Connor be calm?
704
00:50:32,237 --> 00:50:34,737
- [Dana] Is everything ok?
- [Connor] Do I need to calm down?
705
00:50:35,282 --> 00:50:38,452
- [Tyler] Don't you believe,
in magic?
706
00:50:40,912 --> 00:50:42,292
- [Greg] Well?
707
00:50:43,123 --> 00:50:44,753
- I don't know sometimes...
708
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:47,710
I believe in God,
I believe in good things,
709
00:50:47,711 --> 00:50:51,881
I believe that there's magical
things in the world too, yes.
710
00:50:52,799 --> 00:50:56,509
- [Tyler] I feel, full, of adrenaline.
[Connor - nervous laugh]
711
00:50:56,678 --> 00:50:58,678
- [Connor] We're happy to...
- It feels really good.
712
00:50:59,765 --> 00:51:01,215
- [Tyler] I almost feel
like I'm in a fight.
713
00:51:01,224 --> 00:51:02,894
- [Dana] Hoooly shit did you
just hear that?
714
00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:07,613
That was something climbing, either
over the ledge down there,
715
00:51:07,606 --> 00:51:12,186
or falling off the ledge down there.
Right underneath Tyler.
716
00:51:14,988 --> 00:51:19,238
I thought maybe something...
- [Tyler] Ugh! I feel, I felt something
717
00:51:19,242 --> 00:51:23,752
touch my calf, almost like something
twisted around it like a rope.
718
00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:26,247
- It was like "tsstsstss"
that's what it sounded like.
719
00:51:26,249 --> 00:51:28,169
I thought something fell off behind him.
720
00:51:28,168 --> 00:51:31,508
- Chill, just everybody
calm down for a second.
721
00:51:37,677 --> 00:51:39,757
- I don't see anything down there.
722
00:51:39,763 --> 00:51:42,313
- [Greg] He, he doesn't feel agitated so
I think we should let him go
723
00:51:42,307 --> 00:51:43,927
for a few more minutes.
- Yeah.
724
00:51:43,934 --> 00:51:47,314
- [Greg] This is, really weird.
- [Connor] This is really interesting
725
00:51:47,979 --> 00:51:50,399
- [Greg] Have we ever met you or
talked to you before?
726
00:51:51,441 --> 00:51:54,611
Are you someone that we're
familiar with already?
727
00:51:57,114 --> 00:52:04,754
- [Tyler] Aagh, I'm getting really warm.
I'm shaky. It's hard to focus.
728
00:52:05,455 --> 00:52:10,125
- [Dana] He might, it might be time to
start thinking about pulling him out.
729
00:52:10,252 --> 00:52:14,012
If he's having a hard time focusing...
Should we take Tyler out?
730
00:52:14,005 --> 00:52:15,085
- [Tyler] I have to calm...
731
00:52:18,009 --> 00:52:22,099
- [Connor] Alright well thank you for, we
welcome good interaction,
732
00:52:22,097 --> 00:52:24,347
and good intentions.
-[Dana] Thank you for..
733
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:25,309
- [Tyler] Oh man...
734
00:52:28,019 --> 00:52:31,059
- Let's pull him out, before he like,
passes out or...
735
00:52:35,694 --> 00:52:37,784
- Can we speak with you again soon?
736
00:52:52,669 --> 00:52:53,749
- Oh, fuck!
737
00:52:55,338 --> 00:52:56,968
- [Dana] Ok pull him out
738
00:52:59,551 --> 00:53:01,341
- [Greg] Are you ok?
- [Tyler] Yeah!
739
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:11,230
- [Greg] You ok? What happened?
740
00:53:14,274 --> 00:53:16,074
- Hold on...
741
00:53:23,241 --> 00:53:25,911
I don't know, this is
a lot of adrenaline.
742
00:53:28,997 --> 00:53:34,377
It feels, hah, it felt good, but right
at the end, right before you tapped it,
743
00:53:34,377 --> 00:53:41,467
It's almost like it, um, made itself
clear that it, it started going "GUGUGUGU"
744
00:53:41,468 --> 00:53:45,848
like just repeated like loud, pumps,
that was like a full body thing
745
00:53:45,847 --> 00:53:48,677
- [Dana] Breathe, take a
big deep breath.
746
00:53:49,392 --> 00:53:50,642
- [Connor] You're alright
747
00:53:51,436 --> 00:53:53,516
- [Connor] You listened to a
weird thing for a long time.
748
00:53:53,521 --> 00:53:56,981
- [Tyler] How was it?
Did it yield anything?
749
00:53:57,943 --> 00:54:03,743
- It was... It was one of the weirder
sessions I've heard, ever...
750
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,289
[High pitched humming]
751
00:54:12,415 --> 00:54:16,745
Such a jarring transition,
when you're pulled from the space.
752
00:54:16,753 --> 00:54:21,683
Especially with, what happened to
me inside of this space,
753
00:54:21,675 --> 00:54:28,095
so you go from experiencing this energy
that feels like it's ripping you apart
754
00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,518
and then all of a sudden
you're on a porch.
755
00:54:30,517 --> 00:54:33,347
You're on a porch in the middle
of the woods in Kentucky.
756
00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:36,191
And he'd never had
a session like that before.
757
00:54:36,982 --> 00:54:41,532
And that lent itself to the idea
that maybe there was something,
758
00:54:41,528 --> 00:54:45,778
a lot bigger than a usual
Estes method session happening.
759
00:54:47,701 --> 00:54:50,081
[Tyler] I've never experienced
anything like that.
760
00:54:51,037 --> 00:54:53,287
I myself am not a religious person.
761
00:54:53,290 --> 00:55:00,210
That's not to say that I don't put value
or power, in what would be considered
762
00:55:00,213 --> 00:55:02,553
some type of angelic entity.
763
00:55:03,341 --> 00:55:07,391
I think all of those things
are part of this.
764
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:12,179
I think...
One man's angel is another man's alien
765
00:55:14,936 --> 00:55:18,516
[Greg] Everything that we'd been working
on, everything that we'd been doing,
766
00:55:19,649 --> 00:55:21,739
pointed to us doing a ritual.
767
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:24,609
You know, for all we knew
we were already in the middle of one,
768
00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:26,412
we just needed to make it official.
769
00:55:26,531 --> 00:55:33,041
[Karl] It felt, very fitting, to smash all of
that together, apply what we can,
770
00:55:33,038 --> 00:55:37,538
and try to draw that phenomena to us.
And make something happen.
771
00:55:37,542 --> 00:55:38,502
So...
772
00:55:39,336 --> 00:55:42,796
We decided that we
would go into one of these caves...
773
00:55:42,964 --> 00:55:46,304
and... invoke the god Pan.
774
00:55:49,387 --> 00:55:53,347
[ ♪ Hellier theme plays on piano ♪ ]
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