All language subtitles for Hellier.S02 2

[Greg] I've got one more scene for you.

You should sit down.

I'm going to send you home
with a present.

I'm going to send you home

with something
to think about.

Sit down.

[laughing] Ok I need to be...
sitting for this?

So. Remember what Tenney
said about setting intentions?

[Karl] uh-huh.

And then it goes "oh. Okay, fine."

This showed up in February.

And I've been hanging onto it

because I had a bit of a meltdown.

because I thought somebody
who had seen Hellier

was fucking with us.

[Karl] What?

-Because this happened the day

he went to North Carolina.

[Tyler] The night before.

-You knew about this?

-Literally the intention
of going to North Carolina -

I fucking told him,
I called him up

and I said "somebody fucking saw Hellier."

[Tyler] Listen...

"somebody fucking saw Hellier -"

[Dana] start... shhh. Start...
Just give him the emails.

[Tyler] It's taken a dark turn.

[Whispering]
Life and death...

♪ Hellier theme plays ♪

I just received 2 visitors carrying
some devasting news.

Indrid Cold, age 92, Demo Hasan, and
Karl Ardo died today.

When I have more information
I will pass it along.

Obit posted soon.

[Tyler] what?!

What. The. Fuck.

Did she ever post an obit?

[Connor] she never posted an
obit.

[Dana] nothing.

And she is still online

but this was shared on her little

page for her book that she wrote.

Then she says that she's
writing a new book

that will be out before Christmas 2018
called Indrid Cold: Man or Myth

[Greg] Connor tells us that according to

Woodrow Derenberger's daughter,

the last real connection to Indrid Cold,

that Indrid Cold is dead.

It was a shock

and I think that shock exists

because if Indrid was such a vital
part to this search,

this journey, what did
that mean for us?

what did that mean for the
rest of this research?

Were the synchronicities
going to stop?

Was the search over?

Was the message that we may
have been relaying

to somebody else
pointless

if Terry Wriste
was trying to contact him

or send a message for him?

Did it all end?

And that was a mystery
we needed to get to the bottom of.

I mean we could go talk to her
if we wanted to.

[Dana] mmhm

I mean she's a nice old lady,
you know?

Who received two mysterious visitors
who stopped in at her home

and said that they died?

I'm actually like sad about that.

Seriously, that bums me out.

[Tyler] yeah.

But what does that -

[Connor] We obviously have to
question her story,

and her dad's story,
[Greg] for sure

But if there is anybody that
they're going to be in contact with,

that they're going to stop in to,
it's like the military

stopping in, being like
hey it's a family friend

like, he did pass away.

That, in a weird way,
doesn't seem that far-fetched.

That was not the news I was
expecting to hear.

Connor had some big information for us,

and he refused to give it to us

until we were all sitting down together.

But the idea that Indrid Cold
might be dead

was a weird twist.
It was unusual information.

And to be coming from a good source, too.

It was coming from the daughter of
the first person that allegedly

met Indrid Cold.
That's hard info,

that's something that we could
go talk to her about.

[Connor] And for all of these
people in the world

that know about this.
He's gained a mythos,

a figure about him, but
nobody is paying attention to her.

[Dana] Yeah. That's so strange.

Yeah. And it's almost kind of sad,

you know where it's like she,
I'm a little bit -

[Greg] she has an actual connection.
By blood. To the case.

-Yeah, a literal connection.
She met the man. Supposedly.

- Right.
- And they were friends.

And not good friends,
but they were in contact,

they would check in,
she said that they had a very basic

family friend sort of a relationship.
and now she is out there,

and I wonder if she is just sitting there
thinking that nobody is listening

to her stuff. There's all these people,
you know there's like creditors

claiming scary stories with Indrid Cold,
"the grinning man."

He's gained this mythos

and it's like "no, this is the O.G.'s"
This is the family,

you know?
[Dana] Yeah, exactly.

[Greg] Where is her old folks home ?

[Connor] Parkersburg. She's still
in the same neighborhood, the same town.

It's literally a three and half
hour drive.

♪ "White Stucco Walls"
by The Bent Brothers ♪

♪♪♪

[Radio Announcer] We are here to talk to a man

that allegedly did make contact
with such an object

within the Parkersburg area
last evening.

November the 2nd, 1966.

at approximately 7:25 P.M.

Woodrow Derenberger: Last night,

shortly after 7 o' clock
I was coming from

Marietta, Ohio

coming down interstate 77

And just before I came to the
intersection of Route 47,

there was a car, passed me,
overtaken me from behind

and following closely behind this
car was this

Unidentified Flying Object

and as the car behind passed me,
this object

was following close behind it and
it swerved directly in front of my truck

turning crosswise.
As soon as I stopped there was

a door opened in the side
of this... vehicle

and this man stepped out,

and came directly to me,

or came to the truck. He walked
to the right hand side of the truck

and he told me to roll down
the window--

he asked me to roll down the window
on my right hand side of my truck.

[Connor] This is where he met Indrid Cold.

He came up, pulled off the side
of the highway.

His ship parked in front of him here.
He asked about the lights in the city.

He approached from the right hand
side of the vehicle.

[Dana] He would have been on this side.
- He was going along up this side.

[Dana] But there was something strange about standing where I was standing,

because that's where Indrid was standing.
Indrid came to that side of the car,

he stood on that side of the car.
Looking at the trees

that were blocking out the city and seeing
that glowing orange behind it.

It was very strange, it
felt like a meeting place.

Even just the idea of like reading these
stories and hearing the stories

and then standing there
in that spot

and looking around and seeing
exactly what was described.

♪♪♪

Woodrow Derenberger: And this man stood there and he

first asked me what I was called;

and then he asked me, he said
'Why are you frightened?'

He said 'Don't be frightened
we wish you no harm'

He said 'We mean you no harm,
we wish you only happiness.'

'And I told him my name
and when I told him my name

he said that he was called Cold."

He appeared very courteous
and friendly.

And after I talked with him a while

he told me he would see me, he said
'we will see you again.'

and he left in his vehicle.

- tape deck clicking -

Taunia Derenberger: Yeah I was a four year old little girl

I was always Daddy's Girl.

and I always waited up for dad and

that night he came in and he
walked right passed me,

and he looked white as a sheet.
And dad never walked right past me.

I mean, he walked right past me
like I wasn't even there.

And then into the kitchen,
and started talking to mom

about his experience, and
she was afraid he'd scare us so

she sent us up to our room,
my brother and I.

[laughing] And of course I snuck back
downstairs so I could hear everything.

and after that we had all kinds of
people coming in the house.

And when he did his interview the next day
there were, I swear hundreds

literally hundreds of people.

I think half of Parkersburg showed up and
were outside in our yard.

[Greg] I think above else I was really
excited to talk to Taunia.

And maybe that's just because we're
talking to the person who has one

of the last links to one of the
most famous contactee cases.

So the idea that we'd actually
get to talk to somebody

that was a tangible connection to that
case was really exciting to me.

It's been a while since I've
heard from Indrid.

As I said yesterday,
I saw Coner and Conard

they came into my room here
about a month and a half ago

to let me know about Indrid's wreck.

Well I had been sleeping, and
there was a knock on the door

and they came in and of course
I was very upset

when they gave me that message.

And they were very upset.

So we kind of hugged each other
and cried for a while

and luckily there wasn't many, we don't
have many aides on the floor at night

so it's not like anybody would have
come into my room.

[Greg] what are the details that you know
about the accident?

The only thing that I know is that

he, Demo Hassan, and Karl Ardo were all
on a ship

chasing some humanoids

and they crashed into the humanoid ship

and basically kinda, both ships burst
into flames.

The boys didn't, I don't think the boys
were told a whole lot

even though they were older.

I think as time moves by they'll
be able to open up more to me.

But they were pretty upset.

[Greg] Do you think they're... gone?

I don't know if they're gone
or if they're just...

The boys think that they're gone.

[Greg] Do you think they died?Did they pass away?

Yeah I think... the boys have me
convinced that they did,

so I don't know if that's just something
so that he can, you know,

get out of existence for a while,
or if it's true. Like I said,

I'm sure the boys will open up to me
more as time goes by.

[Greg] What is your opinion on what happened? What do you think the truth is?

I don't know, I know for a long time
Indrid wanted to just

get out of everything, so...

[Greg] Do you think there might be a possibility that he and the

crew faked their deaths?
- There might be.

She said that Indrid and his crew
had died in a ship crash.

That they were chasing humanoids

and the ships collided, and exploded.

And she believed that that's possibly
the end of Indrid Cold.

Another detail that she volunteered
that we didn't have to ask was

the two visitors that she received in
the middle of the night

to give her the bad news were actually
Indrid's sons, Coner and Conard.

I think it was like three weeks ago
was the last time that

Coner and Conard actually visited her.

And she told us that they had visited
her many times.

And she was able to kind of give us some
physical descriptions.

They look like normal people,

that we would never necessarily know
them if we happened to glance at them.

One of them has dark hair,
one of them has blonde hair.

They're nice. They're well rounded boys
I think was the equivalent of

what she had said at some point.

And that they come and they visit her
and they spend time with her.

And they care enough about her that
she would have been one of the

first people that they would have
come to tell that Indrid

had passed away.

[Greg] Indrid's visitation happened here,the mothman happened here,

there's tons of UFO sightings, the
Flatwoods Monster, and

many, many, more obscure cases

happened in what seems to be
this tri-state area.

What do you think it is about here
that it seems like it draws them?

What is it?

It's the Appalachian Mountains.

Because they can hide.

There's a lot of places there to hide
and it's very heavily wooded.

And that's what Indrid actually told me
one time is that.

I said "well if you wanted to
go hide, where would you hide?"

and that's what he told me.

He said "I'd go to the mountains."

[Greg] If we wanted to send a message to, you know, Indrid, and he may have

passed away, he may be in hiding. But
to him or even to his sons,

that have taken over, how do we do
that? What would be the best way?

Through me.

Because with the holidays coming
I believe they'll be by.

[Greg] Do you find that they stop by,
You know, are there specific

holidays that they come by?
Is it every holiday?

Or just a few?

They came by last year when I was
in the nursing home in

Northeast Ohio.

Christmas. My birthday.
Mother's Day.

[Greg] Oh even Mother's Day?
- Mother's Day, yeah.

If it's the best way to give them
a message, would you mind

delivering a message to
Indrid's sons?

Oh no, of course not.

[Connor] And so Greg and I were left withone of the coolest and oddest

tasks that we've ever had
in our lives.

And Greg and I, as everybody is
leaving the room,

we have a little piece of paper

in which we need to write down
a message... to the aliens.

And we had to sit and think about what
we wanted to say to them.

In hopefully a way that they
would understand.

That if this is actually happening,

we have to accept that this could
actually be happening,

the Cold family could be visiting Taunia.

And if they see this, we wanted to
say the right thing.

[Greg] If I could only have asked Taunia one question,

it would have been "how do we
contact the Cold family?"

That probably would have been
what I would go with.

Because it seemed to be the most
relevant to the case.

As the name Indrid kept coming up,
with the idea that Indrid might be gone,

maybe training new people to take
over whatever his mission was,

still, even now. "How do we contact
the Cold family?"

or “how do we get contacted by
the Cold family?"

That's the big question.

I don't know what to think about
any of it anymore.

I almost feel like I've had to
separate my brain into two sections.

where I'm running an A-B test for reality.

What is the world like if Coner and Conard
are real?

and what does the world look like
if they were just made up?

How do we take the case either way?

And I feel like that's something that
we have had to do constantly

since the beginning of this.

We have to sit there and go

What does it mean for us and the
case if David is real?

What does is mean if he's not?

What does it mean if Terry Wriste

is actually out there doing this stuff?

And what if it’s just a pseudonym for
Allen Greenfield

who needed an avenue to write about
something

he couldn't write about normally?

So I don't know. I guess that's my
long winded way of saying

I don't know if Coner and Conard are real,

but I have to... I have to live
in two realities.

And I think at the end of the day
what we each think individually

isn't important. Because

I think that the contactee movement,
like the experiences that these contactees have

you'd run around in circles forever
trying to figure out

if each one is lying totally or partially,
or if they're being true or not.

At the end of the day for me

it's about looking at patterns.

And looking at information gathered that
they couldn't have known,

or probably didn't know.

It's the bigger picture type stuff.

So I think that spending too much time

fretting over whether or not the
details of what Taunia is saying

are true or not, is less important

than the bigger picture.

So after we met with Taunia and we
had all of that

information that she dumped on us,

about Indrid Cold, we decided to look

at the other side of Indrid Cold.

[Connor] It's important that we
recognize that

are really different characterizations

between Woodrow Derenberger's
Indrid Cold,

and Terry Wriste's Indrid Cold.

You read through both of these things

and Derenberger is saying a story that
is honestly pretty pleasant.

He is an innocent explorer, who comes
from a land much weaker than ours.

We're just hear to visit, and we just ran
into you, and you seem like a nice guy

so we're going to tell you some things,
and you should tell your government

and people in power. That's the basic
story there.

And then there's the Indrid Cold that
Terry Wriste

apparently came into contact with.

Who's this secretive, almost military-esque

figure who is hiding out.

Indrid Cold is a fugitive, along with his

crewmates, he's a fugitive on the run.

They created and enhanced a lot of the

window area of the mothman case

as a distress signal. That there's weird things -

they're trying to get away -

He's sitting here giving really coded
messages to different people.

The interview, in the back of
Greenfield's book,

was all about this secret, magical cipher

that you could apply to these alien
contactee encounters,

and crack this code, and figure out

a bigger picture at work.

So I dove into the cipher myself. I tried
to figure out what it was all about.

It was complex. Without the use of
a computer code.

It was challenging to do by hand,

and to do that math for every single
word or phrase that you pull

out of the book.

But I did learn how it works.

Cipher aside, without even knowing
how to work the cipher,

they give all the clues that you need
in the interview

between Greenfield and Wriste

about where he met Indrid Cold.

With the internet today,

that should be pretty easy to find.

So I tried to crack it.

Greenfield says "good stuff what does
it all mean?"

He (Terry) says "like I said
I'm leaving out other values

that I used in order to protect
Mr. Cold

but from this I began looking
near the Ohio-WV line,

the mothman area,
for a church

112 also yields "All House of God"

with a graveyard adjacent (and the dead)
near the

Kentucky-Ohio-West Virginia border
along US Highway 52.

near a location where mothman had
literally been sighted flapping across

Highway 52, I found such a church next to
a restaurant called The Wagon Wheel

(the wheel)

with a churchyard on the other side and an
address related to "I am 49 place."

I won't be more specific,

there was one little ramshackle house
with words and signs all over it

about colds and stars and the like.

(Greenfield) "so you just walked up
to the door?"

(Terry) "Yep. I walked up to this
dude and said 'Mr. Cold I presume?'

he smiled and said 'my friends call
me Indrid.'

So he says 'I won't be more specific.'
I don't know how he could be more specific

he gives so much information.'

(Connor) We could try to find it.

We could try to find it. And that's what
I was trying to do.

Because he gave us all these clues.

The biggest one being he gives this
tri-state intersection.

Ohio - West Virginia - Kentucky

so I continued and I was like look,
we've got this restaurant

called The Wagon Wheel

at the tri-state area.
Ohio - Kentucky - West Virginia.

That should be google-able.
So I've been trying and trying.

Finally after a little bit of work
I found an obituary

for a Mary Hall

who it said she and her husband
owned Hall's Wagon Wheel

Restaurant and then fatedly enough
it provides the exact intersection

in the town where they owned
the restaurant.

"On 17th Street and Greenup Avenue
in Ashland, Kentucky."

this obit gives the exact cross street

oh where this old restaurant used to be

presuming it might be the one that
is referenced.

so I start looking around on google earth
and going down this whole rabbit hole

and I find this intersection of Ashland,
Kentucky,

where this thing was supposed to be.

Now what's tough is, it's not gentrified
but like it's pretty modern.

You know, there's a Verizon store
right down the street.

and if this happened in the 80's,

we're started to talk about maybe
four decades ago at this point.

Like three to four decades.

So it's gonna look really different.

Part of me wants to go down to Ashland
and try to find some sort of historian,

or librarian, or something, who could
try to help us try to figure out what that

intersection was like in the 80's and if
there might have been

a ramshackle house there.

Karl's research probably got me the
most amped up.

Because that's like tangible, real leads
that we could follow. And, no one

has figured that out. No one has put
that information together.

And it felt like I was ready to go.

I wanted to be there. I wanted to go and
like walk around the streets

and poke around and just look for
anything.

[Low bassy music]

[Greg] The minute that we got into Ashlandwe just started driving around.

Karl had a pretty good idea of the
intersection that this should

have happened on.

So we go to the intersection, we
look around.

Doesn't look like there's anything
that could be The Wagon Wheel.

Everything's closed, we notice
there's a police station,

it seemed like it had always
been sort of a city center.

But it was obvious they had built
things during that time period.

So all these different things line up. It
seemed perfect, it felt right.

We all had the vibe that like,
this is the place.

And it felt like a nicer place than
I expected it to.

When we got there it felt like
a really nice place.

[Karl] Highway 52 is the other
side of the river right there.

[Greg] He found a church next
to a restaurant called The Wagon Wheel,

"with a churchyard on the other side."

-The Wagon Wheel was 17th Street
and Greenup.

Because this I think is 17th?

So I think it's that next
intersection down there.

-Want to walk down there?
-Yeah.

We're going to go that way.

[Karl] But the one thing that I
thought was really interesting,

is going from their discussion,

"we are one, thy wife, letter,
words and signs, ink and black,

all house of God, the wheel,
I am 49 place, and as you

noted, cross 52 I flap.

Most all of those they explained
how those applied.

But there's one or two they don't.

And one of the ones that don't
is "letter."

And right like half a block down the
street from this intersection,

is the old US Post office of
Ashland, Kentucky.

and it's a really old stone building

that has clearly been there for
70, 80, 100 years.

That would have been there in
the 80's for sure.

And so that's one of the things that
isn't discussed in this is how "letter"

fits in to him finding
Indrid Cold.

It's an old post office right there.

That could be another indicator
of this being the right intersection.

I don't know if we're going to find
too much

out until we start asking people.
-Yeah. I agree.

-But I think you nailed the place.
It feels right.

It feels right. Like it feels really
promising, Karl.

What do you think, Dana?

[Karl] what kind of vibe?

♪ "Spend the Night" by Sunspot ♪

♪ ♪ ♪

[Connor] And I read through few times
again last night,

and I'm still impressed.

and convinced that if there
is a place where

Terry Wriste was and where
he met Indrid Cold,

that we're here.

It's honestly a very specific set
of waypoints for that time period.

- I think we go down, probably park
right where we parked last night,

looking around, over by the old
post office,

and literally just start walking
in two places.

- Well if Indrid Cold, or Allen Greenfield
was here just shooting this,

or if Terry Wriste was here, we're
trying to find it.

And who knows where that will lead.
But we'll try.

♪♪♪

[Greg] So the next day, we get up,
and we just start asking around.

The police station was closed,
so we couldn't get in there.

Fortunately there was a policeman
who was stopping to go in and

he was super friendly, I approached
him, and just kinda asked him

some questions. He didn't know
where The Wagon Wheel was.

And then he stopped and he goes
"but I will tell you this..."

I don't like talking bad
about Ashland.

But we have an incredibly
high rate of mentally ill people.

I asked him 'do you guys get weird
reports quite often?'

Things like that?

And he's like "nah, I know other towns
around the vicinity they get them,

you know like UFO reports, and
stuff like that.

But we don't get much of that stuff.
And he said

"But I will tell you, there is one
really weird thing about Ashland.

The mental health is out of
control in Ashland.

To a strange degree."

But he said he doesn't know
of any weird stuff.

Again, Hellier vibes, again. Don't
know of any strange sightings,

or anything like that,

mental health is an issue.

Let's go to the library, it'll be
open within four minutes

of us getting there.

And we can start digging.

[Karl] That's kind of the thing that
I learned about Ashland.

Was that it's got this really weird vibe
to it.

It's got these strange, old,
ancient burial mounds

right in the city central park.
Back in the 30's,

the University of Kentucky
concluded that there was

more evidence of a prehistoric
occupation in Ashland

than in any other city in
all of Kentucky.

Charles Manson even spent
a few years here as a little kid

after being born in Cincinnati.

It's got this kind of weird
vibe to it.

[Greg] The newspaper was closed,the police office was closed.

Which left us with the library.

Dana and Tyler were poring through
old photos,

that were arranged by streets.

The lady told us where to find the
different records for the different

businesses by year,

So we just starting pulling
out different years.

Connor and I sat at the end of the
table and looked through

different business records for
that intersection.

trying to find any mention
of the name Wagon Wheel.

[Pages flipping]

All house of God...

[Greg] And, like magic, looking
over our shoulder,

Karl goes "here it is.
That's the Wagon Wheel."

[Karl] Oh! I got it. Hall's
Wagon Wheel Restaurant.

[Greg] you found it?
-It's in '74...

- That's not here in '79

Hall's Wagon Wheel was there...
the next year was...

Oh, so this is the last
year it was there. '78.

[Karl] So we have verification
that it was there in '78.

-Looks like '78.
-Which is really close to our timeline.

-Yep. Because it's not there in '79.

-We have the exact address.
[Karl] 123 17th Street.

-123.
-123, my numbers.

-Karl's numbers. [Laughs]

[Dana] And that moment, where we actually,
actually Karl found it, it was awesome.

It was that moment where you're like,
holy crap this is all actually happening,

we keep saying it but we were in the
shit then, like that moment we were 100%

investigating, we were 100% boots on
the ground and I love that kind of stuff.

We know exactly where that was. We
can go stand outside of it. Why don't we

put these back and go out and see
it and just take a spin.

[Greg] So we knew, in a 4 year period of
time, the Wagon Wheel existed right there.

We had the exact address.

And we could go there.

[Bassy music begins]

And we did. We took a walk.

We find the address of the
police department.

So we are going the right way?
So it has to be...

I'm telling you what,

it's probably that little red building
we were looking at before.

Makes me wonder if maybe
there was another building...

[Dana] 123 17th Street...

[Ambulance sirens]

201. It has to be over there.

[Greg] Woah, you know what?

[Dana] There's a church down there.
-That little red building in the back

has a door facing this way.

[Dana] 130.

♪♪♪

What's the address there, do you see?

[Greg] It might not be...
It might not exist anymore.

[Tyler] Yeah but punch it into GPS
and see where it would.

[Dana] One. Zero. One.

It doesn't exist anymore.

It's a parking lot now.
-[Dana] It was here.

Here?

Which means if there
was a house next to it

they would have torn the house down too.

[Connor] And with the help of a few
Ashland locals she talked to online,

my sister Michelle was able to get
ahold of a picture of

The Wagon Wheel, that sure enough
confirmed its location

right next to the floodwall.

She was also sent some pictures of
aerial Sanborn maps and then right

next to it are some small D's, that
indicate the possibility of dwellings.

Those maps are seen in the 50's, but in
the 60's, the dwellings

aren't marked there.

So it's possible they aren't there
anymore and weren't there at the time.

The location of this house
remains a mystery.

[Tyler] So this parking lot...

This parking lot is where
it would have been, right?

[Dana] Right here.

[Connor] Vacant.

- I mean this is it, right here.
- This is it.

[Greg]
One of the biggest implications

of the fact that the
Wagon Wheel existed there,

and that this hit every checkbox,
it was the place...

was that it lended credibility to the
idea that Terry Wriste,

whoever he was, was real.

Someone was there. Because they
knew all the details.

Terry Wriste is a person. He exists.

Who that person is, is anyone's guess
at this point.

We have ideas...

But he was there. He's a real person.

[Dana] You would look in one direction
and there's something

that he said was going to be there.

There's the restaurant, here's where
Indrid potentially was.

All of those things lined up.

[Greg] And not only did that
lend credibility to the idea that

Terry Wriste was not just something
someone was making up,

it led credibility to the cipher.

[Karl] There were just a few clues that
weren't quite fitting.

We couldn't find record of a church yard,

the cemetery beside a church, right?

We couldn't find record of that.
And that kind of bugged me.

But it wasn't until we left that I
started thinking about it all,

that I realized we've got all these
things that matched,

this is an area right on the
tri-state border, as they

mentioned, they saw mothman
in Ashland.

The wheel could well be the
Wagon Wheel restaurant,

which was right there.
There's churches all over

the area, so "all house of God"
definitely seems to fit.

We took kind of a leap with "letter",
being the old US Post

Office that has been right there
for like a hundred years.

But if we want to go further,
some of the other ones, we

have "is of the law", the Ashland
City Building is right there on

the corner of the same intersection.

But if we want to take a couple of
extrapolations here, we don't want

to go too crazy, but perhaps
"words and signs"

which is kind of a classic
Masonic phrase,

maybe that actually refers
to the Masonic Lodge a couple

of blocks away. And "and the dead"
might actually not be a graveyard,

it could be referring to the famous
Adena burial mounds

that are in the city park in Ashland.

What this tells us
was that all of these clues

added up to 112. All of these clues
were pulled from "The Book of the Law"

as Greenfield says was how you should use
the cipher.

And they almost all pointed
towards this area specifically.

The amount of effort alone just
to make up a story like this,

is significant. And that is what
I find most compelling.

[group gasps]
Greg: Oh no!

[Tyler] Unbelievable. It keeps
popping up over and over again.

[Laughing] We found photographs
in the archives of it.

-I checked an hour ago he still hasn't
seen it.

[Greg] We look down and... Parsons.

But we continue to see the name Parsons
all over the place.

Parsons pop up in Derenberger's book,

he was the name of the police chief back
in the day, in Point Pleasant.

It felt significant.
It was a weird synchronicity.

So we're not just... and I don't know
if this makes you feel unsettled,

or validated.

But we're not just checking
the validity of Indrid Cold.

We're checking the validity
of Terry Wriste.

-Terry Wriste...
-Right.

-And the details check out.

[Greg] He's someone.

Someone wrote that.
He is someone.

[Tyler] There was an eerie point in time

when we were walking down this
linear path,

hitting all these pinpoint locations
that Wriste seems to have detailed

in his interview.

And I had the sudden realization
that we were literally walking

in the footsteps of Terry Wriste.

And it was a chilling thought.

Because it made me think

how much further are those
footsteps going to lead?

[Greg] Aside from finding somebody who can
literally show us where the house was,

the only other good thing we could get
is Terry himself saying,

"Oh, yeah,
Ashland was the place."

-Mmhm

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