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What is something that all of the ritual
magicians have been telling
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us when they watched Hellier?
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We're doing an initiation.
We're doing some kind of a ritual.
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[Greg] I tried to find one of the best
books about initiations that I could find.
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Something that was modern.
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What I landed on was 'The Archetype of
Initiation - Sacred Space, Ritual Process,
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and Personal Transformation'. These are
all lectures and essays by Robert Moore.
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So one of the things I have to lay out is
this is not a paranormal book whatsoever,
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but reading this book has given
me so many thoughts and ideas
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about paranormal phenomena.
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He has a lot of really interesting things
to say about synchronicity.
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I wasn't looking at synchronicity
when I got this book.
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The guy that wrote this book is
a Jungian psychologist, so, he,
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Jung is the guy who coined
the term synchronicity,
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so synchronicity is something that popped
up after he started looking at the idea.
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This guy says, in terms
of a ritual initiation,
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"Synchronicity is a sign of being
in the process of an initiation,
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not necessarily anything other
than a byproduct of being
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in the middle of an initiatory experience".
That is what synchronicity is.
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[ ♪ Thoughtful piano music ♪ ]
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[Greg] If it's a call, if you really are
part of a call, it's always scary.
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The call is always scary.
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If it's not scary,
it's not really a call.
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♪♪♪
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[Slow piano notes]
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[car engine starting]
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[Piano notes begin to speed up]
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[ ♪ Wildnisgeist by Timothy Renner ♪ ]
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"It will have blood, they say.
Blood will have blood.
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Stones have been known to move,
and trees to speak".
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[Greg] The fuck is going on out here?
[Tyler, laughing] Oh, man!
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[Greg] that's fuckin...
[Karl] that feels like a fucking sign, man
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[Greg chuckles] Oh boy!
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[Tyler] That's fucking weird
[Greg] It's so crazy too cause we did not
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take Strawberry Road earlier when
we came scouting yesterday.
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[Greg] I don't even know why it
used Strawberry Road.
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-Yeah we never went this way at all.
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[Karl] Whoo!
[Greg] heart pumping a little bit..
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[Karl] That tree's got me now
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♪♪♪
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[background water sounds]
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[Dana] One of the things that I really
wanted to do is some sort of a ritual,
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and it looks as if, it would make sense if
that ritual would happen inside of a cave.
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So the ritual itself is sixteen steps.
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[Dana] Each one of these steps is a
way to kind of let the phenomena know
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that we're there to communicate and to
learn as much as we possibly can from it.
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[Dana] The second step is no
iron, so no iron jewelry,
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I know that that can be
difficult with camera equipment,
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but as long as we're not wearing any
iron, that would be really good.
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And Iron is basically a repellant of
the Fae, so it's something that we
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should kind of eliminate
as much as possible
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cause they just won't
come around if there's iron.
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[Greg] The main goal of that ritual
was the invocation of Pan.
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whether you wanna see it as
the god Pan, or you wanna see it as
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the energy or spirit of Pan,
the spirit of all, of this, this
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thing that has seemed to be hovering
a lot of what we've been doing.
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It was...
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As I understand it, it was meant
as an official introduction.
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♪♪♪
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[ ♪ Guitar plucking and
mechanical drone ♪ ]
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[Dana] Step three is when we are
approaching the cave,
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we have to clap our hands as much
as possible. It sounds kind of silly,
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I realize it sounds kind of silly, but
Pan doesn't like to be snuck up on.
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So in older rituals, a lot of the time
they would walk up to the caves
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just clapping their hands, just to let
them, let Pan know that they were
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approaching so that he
wasn't startled by them.
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Which I think is just fun, and I think
it's kind of a cool way to bring in
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like some of the older traditions.
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[Everyone clapping]
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[Tyler] After a year of prepping, learning
how to go into these caves,
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descend into these weird, strange realms,
we finally have the day, when we are
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going to descend and see for
ourselves what this location entail.
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[Dana] The entrance didn't even look
real, it looks like a movie set.
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It looks like this beautiful, massive
cave that just sort of appears in the
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middle of nowhere and you have to
kind of trudge through a creek
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and through the woods to find it,
and then suddenly there's this massive
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opening and it just sort of, beckons
you inside cause there's a perfect bend
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so you just want to see what's
around every corner.
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[Tyler] We finally reach the point where
we had the means of entering it properly,
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so finally having the chance
to experience this firsthand,
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was a great amount of closure for me.
To be inside of this space.
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I felt a buildup of everything,
we had been working toward.
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I in particular was excited for anything.
I was ready to see anything,
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I was ready to experience anything,
and after hearing all these stories,
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whether that be these strange,
underground cultists, or these creatures,
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I think I was prepared to see anything.
I wanted to, I wanted to see something.
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Even though--even though I think
that would have provoked fear
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in the greater group, I think I
wanted something overt to happen.
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I was almost expecting it.
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[Dana] The interesting thing about Pan
is he was never worshiped in any
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one specific place. They didn't have
permanent altars erected for him,
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they didn't have temple spaces for him.
Pan was worshiped in nature.
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He was worshiped out in the forest and
he was worshiped in caves specifically
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so it was very important that we worship
and make some kind of a connection
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with Pan in that space because
that's his space specifically,
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so if he was going to meet us anywhere,
it was going to be in a cave.
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[Connor] Going in there to, sort of
conjure this ancient entity,
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is an intimidating aspect, and in a way,
challenges my belief system a little bit.
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and so I had to take it in stride,and had to sort of sit back and think,
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you know, I'm going to see, as an
investigator, with this God given
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curiosity, what's going on here. So,
I decided to sit back with my own
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personal protection, and feeling a
protection myself, to sit back
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and wait, and see what happens.
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[Dana] The next step is to cast a circle.
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So traditionally in magic, one of the
things that many magic practitioners
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will do is something
called a circle casting.
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And it's the idea that you're creating
an energetic circle around your space.
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So basically, these white candles, we're
gonna use them as our outline.
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So that we don't accidentally cross it.
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And you really just do it through
visualization and through a lot of
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physically drawing
a circle around the space.
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And the reason that you would do that,
is if you wanna envision it
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like a 3-D bubble that goes above us
and below the ground, and it's basically
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an energy circle to contain energy.
So, when you're doing spellwork,
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or any kind of ritual work, the idea is
you're raising energy, you're putting
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intention out into the universe,
into the atmosphere around you,
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and if you don't have a circle, a lot
of the time what can happen is that
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energy will just easily dissipate. So
you're raising it, and it's literally
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just dissipating and you're not able
to kinda, contain it and put intention
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into it. So the first thing we'll do is,
we will cast a circle, an energy circle,
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[Dana] Now that we have our four
quarters, and our directions,
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we're just gonna use the rest of the
candles just to create an outline
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for us. And again that's just so
that no one, accidentally steps
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outside of the circle.
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[Dana] This is exhausting.
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This is not a normal environment to do
something like this. So it's like,
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you lose your energy so fast.
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[Dana] So the other thought behind
the circle, is on top of the fact that
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you're creating a safe space where you
can raise and put your intention out.
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It's also a protective space, because
when you practice magic there are
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certain types of energies and different
types of spirits that might be...
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"what’s going on over there?" They'd be
curious about it, so they can be drawn
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to that space. So the idea again is this
circle is protective, not only for you,
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but for them. It keeps your space as
contained as possible while you're
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practicing magic because in a lot of
cases, in the moment of practicing
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magic, you could be very vulnerable
because you're meditating, or you're
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focusing on one thing specifically and
you're not always aware of what's
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happening around you. So again,
we're going to create that circular
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sacred space.
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[Dana] So now that we have our
circle outlined, once we light them,
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you can visualize them
like a perimeter, basically.
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[Dana] The fourth step is we're gonna
dedicate the cave for that time period,
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of night, to Pan. We're going to create
an altar space for Pan.
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This whole rock's gonna be the
altar space, so I just wanna know
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which directions to put
our four quarters.
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[Dana] And for that we're going to
need a handful of different things,
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and I have all of them. Oak, grains,
seashells, wine, honey, grapes,
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obsidian, carnelian, cakes,
those types of things.
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And they're all going to go on
some sort of an altar space
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that'll be in the center
of the ritual space.
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[Dana] So the next step is, we're
going to, every tool that we use
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for the ritual we're gonna dress with
cinnamon and Vetiver oil
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and those are two oils that have often
been associated with the Green Man,
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with Pan, and that's going to basically
turn everything that we use in the
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ritual space into ritual tools. So
anything that we bring in with us,
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just a little dab of those oils basically
anoints it so that it deserves to be
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in ritual space.
[Greg] Should we anoint the camera?
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[Dana] Yeah, if we can, just everything
that we bring in with us, just a
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little drop of it, even just a
tiny little bit, and it's basically
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showing that we are utilizing these
tools for ritual purposes.
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We're gonna burn mug wort. Mug wort
is a herb that is used to open the
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third eye. So it's just gonna help like,
raise our vibration and help us kinda
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align with this type of energy.
And, I'm going to basically just
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walk the perimeter, and as I do that,
I'm just going to be visualizing
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a bubble above us, and a bubble
below us, and it's basically just
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going to kind of be containing us.
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So there's just a really simple little
chant that I'm gonna do as I go.
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That's just sort of a centering chant.
It's just meant to kind of draw in
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the elements and to
attune us with the elements.
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Earth is my body.
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Air is my breath.
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Fire is my spirit.
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Water is my blood.
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Earth is my body.
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Air is my breath.
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Fire is my spirit.
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Water is my blood.
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Earth is my body.
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Air is my breath...
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[Greg] I think one of the best ways to
think about this too, is, and I was
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talking about this outside, think of Pan
as one of the ultraterrestrials.
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We're trying to have a conversation
with one of the ultraterrestrials.
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He's just another face of them.
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Crowley communed with Pan
before he tried to talk to Aiwass
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or any of the higher entities.
So, he's just maybe the boss.
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So we're just talking' to him, we're
talking to upper management,
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to try and see if we can have a
conversation with him and maybe
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whoever else might pop in. And one
of the traits of Pan, in all of the
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literature you read, is that when
he's called, he typically shows up.
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[Dana] Air is my breath.
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Fire is my spirit.
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Water is my blood.
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Ok... Done!
[Dana takes a deep breath]
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[Out of breath] So that's...
our circle cast
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The next step is called
Calling the Quarters.
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And it's basically inviting the four
elements, and the four directions,
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to join us in magic and in our,
whatever it is that we're doing.
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[Dana] So traditionally, it's an
invitation to the elements,
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and the elemental spirits,
to join our magic.
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[whispers] Ok
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[Dana] What WAS that?
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[Greg chuckles quietly]
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[Dana] The next step is something
that is often referred to as
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calling the quarters, or the corners, it
just depends on who you're talking to,
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and it's the idea that we're going
to dedicate one, or four sections of
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our circle to each
one of the elements.
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On the altar, we have four directions.
Each one of the bowls represents
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each one of the four elements.
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So in earth, we have salt.
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In air, we have incense.
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In fire, we have a candle.
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And in the direction of water, we have
water from the little pond underneath.
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So it's basically, each one
of them is meant to represent
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each one of the elements.
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And, it basically gives them a
place in our space to reside.
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So you're giving them like
a home to reside in the space.
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[Dana] There's a set chant that
basically I'll do at that point
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to invite those specific
elements to our circle.
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I call upon the element of earth,
to join us, in our magic circle,
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to bless our circle,
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I call upon, the element of air,
to bless our magical working.
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I call upon, the element of fire,
to ignite our magic.
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And I call upon the element of water,
to bring emotion, to our space.
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[Lighter snicks]
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[Whispers] Okay.
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So the eleventh step will be a welcoming
to Pan to join us, or an invocation.
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And we can all do it together,
I can do it, it's completely
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up to everybody and how
we feel in the moment.
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What I was thinking is,
for the invocation,
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I was thinking about it a lot, actually
over the past couple of days.
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And I uh...
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I think... I kind of want
Greg to do it.
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I want him to lead
us in it.
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[Greg] Waaait a minute.
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-Because I feel like I spent the past
couple days like reaching out
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to Pan and I didn't really feel
him connecting much with me.
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And I don't know if that's not
because
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I wasn't the person to
bring that to this space?
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So I thought it would be nice
if you led us
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in the invocation or in the
invitation
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if you're comfortable with it,
if you're not comfortable with it
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you don't have to do it. I don't
mean to put you on the spot,
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I just, I've been thinking about
it and I feel like if
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he's going to answer to any
one of us it's probably
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going to be you since you
since you were the one
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who sort of
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brought him to us.
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As long as you're comfortable
with it.
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You don't have to do it.
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- No, I'll do it...
- Okay.
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[Greg] I'd never done an invocation
before.
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I practice magic, here and there.
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But it's very... it's probably what people
would consider chaos magic.
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It's very eclectic, it's things from
here and there
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that I feel comfortable doing.
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I've never... I've never performed
ritual magic.
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I've never done an invocation.
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I'm not a very religious person
anymore. I was raised
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very religious.
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But as anyone who was raised
very religious,
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they know that something
like that was a big deal.
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And uh I had to think about it. She
said listen if you don't want to
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do this you don't have to.
I just think that
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you're the one who was doing
all this research on Pan,
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you are the one that feels this
connection so strongly,
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I think it makes sense that you
do the invocation.
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So I.. I did.
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Before I say it, I thought about
it for a long time and I wanted
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it to be something that made
sense for us,
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made sense for our case, but also
made sense for Pan, sort of
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being a bit of a forgotten god
in a lot of ways.
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So it's: I honor thee
[Greg repeats]
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and thy ancient tune
[Greg repeats]
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by the blessed altar
[Greg repeats]
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forgotten
[Greg repeats]
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and lone.
[Greg repeats]
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Yeah.
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I honor thee
[Greg repeats]
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and thy ancient tune
[Greg repeats]
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by the blessed altar
[Greg repeats]
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forgotten and lone.
[Greg repeats]
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[Greg sighs]
Hold on.
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♪ atmospheric synth ♪
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I honor thee
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and thy blessed tune
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at the ancient altar,
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forgotten and lone.
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I honor thee
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and thy blessed tune
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at the ancient altar,
forgotten and lone.
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I honor thee
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and thy ancient tune
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by the blessed altar,
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forgotten
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and lone.
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[louder]
We honor thee,
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and thy blessed tune
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at the ancient altar
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forgotten and lone.
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Blessed be Pan
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Io Pan
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we invoke thee!
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We honor thee
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and thy blessed tune
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by the ancient altar,
forgotten and lone.
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We honor thee!
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and thy blessed tune!
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at the ancient altar,
forgotten and lone!
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Blessed be Pan!
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Io Pan!
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Io Pan!
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Io Pan,
we invoke thee!
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We invoke thee!
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We honor thee!
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And thy blessed tune!
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At the ancient altar
forgotten and lone!
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We honor thee!
And thy blessed tune!
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At the ancient altar!
Forgotten and lone!
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Blessed be Pan!
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Io Pan!
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Io Pan,
we invoke thee!
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♪ eerie music fades out ♪
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[Dana] I just felt like a weird,
intense
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energy just creep in real fast.
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I wasn't expecting it at all
it just went "wheeew" [wind noise]
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[Connor] From that direction?
- Yeah.
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[Tyler] I feel really chilled.
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- Yeah. Is that where the cold air
came from?
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- I don't know, I feel really cold.
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A lot colder than it's been.
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[Dana] It was like, [wind noise]
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[Dana] Are you ok?
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- Yeah, I'm just... stirred up.
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[Greg] It was... uhh
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it was very weird.
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I don't know, I still... I've thought
about it a lot since we did it.
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I don't know, I don't know
how to... um.
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it was really emotional for
me to do that.
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it was uh
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I don't know, it seems silly to say
but I felt it happen.
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Whatever "it" was, I felt
it happen.
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And it was there and I felt it and
I was getting really emotional about it,
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um, I'm getting emotional thinking
about it now.
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It was um
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it was really impactful.
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I could feel
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I don't know, I was shaking.
I was literally shaking.
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It was just uhh
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really weird.
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There was a strange effect
that began to occur
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inside of that cave. And it was
experienced by me,
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and Connor, and I believe Karl,
all of us collectively
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inside of this bubble.
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The temperature started to greatly
decrease, I started to get chills
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as this invocation started
kicking in.
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And it felt like something was
passing through.
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[Greg] Do you think we should
play the tones now?
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[Dana] Yes, oh, that's what we
should do! Yes.
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- We'll do that first?
- Yeah.
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- Let's do this here.
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[Dana] Oh my god, I can't believe
we're about to do this.
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- I know
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I mean, it's interesting that
we actually are being
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told to make these tones, and
now we are going into a cave.
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And here's an entire academic
breakdown
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of why those noises are
important.
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So basically, what this paper
by Nektarios-Petros Yioutsos
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is saying is that
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we need to go into these
caves and we need to clap,
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we need to make noise,
we need to drink,
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we need to actually make this
cave into a giant instrument
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for the ritual. That's exactly
how these people used to use it.
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Uh so we need to play the
tones,
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probably as Pan pipes
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and see what happens.
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We think what you heard
was a C, an A, and an F.
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[singular piano notes
ring out]
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[Dana] Bing, bing, bing.
[Tyler] Bing, bing, bing.
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I enjoy this.
[Dana] Again!
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[Greg and Tyler make three
bing noises]
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[Dana] You got a handle on it
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play those sounds.
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When I saw Dana in person
next, I sat down with her
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with a little piano on a
computer, and
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gave her my idea, is it,
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I thought it was maybe
C, A, F.
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[Dana] It was the first one
it wasn't the second one.
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[Connor] And so I was playing
those notes,
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played different versions of them
up and down the keys until
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she found ones that matched
what she heard
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over the box.
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[playing notes on piano]
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Yeah. That sounds like,
it sounds like it.
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[three piano notes -over speaker
in cave - C, A, F]
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[Connor] I turned it.
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[piano notes continue, begin to
play at the same time]
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♪ ♪ ♪
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[notes being played on a flute,
singularly then together]
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♪ ♪ ♪
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[Dana] The tones, when I heard
them in the cave they made
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me really emotional.
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I wasn't expecting to feel
that way, it actually
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surprised me.
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And it felt...
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it felt almost sad but it...
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in the moment I realized that
it felt familiar to me.
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As if the tones, the energy of the
tones felt... like
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this entire experience has felt.
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It's sort of beautiful, and very
frustrating, and
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embodies a lot of different
complexities.
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[Greg] The tones were weird,
they made me sick.
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The tones made me feel sick
and I don't think I was
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the only one that felt that way.
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Um, they were...
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strange and grating, almost.
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[tones resonating over speaker]
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[Karl] I hated the tones.
They made me
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so anxious. So much anxiety,
I wanted to crawl out of my skin.
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I don't know why.
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It just... all I wanted was for them
to be off. For it to be over.
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I'm kinda dizzy.
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- I know I was just going
to say I feel really...
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like I feel like I'm vibrating.
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- I feel kinda wobbly.
- Me too.
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[Dana] Yeah I feel a little... nauseous.
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- A little sick to my stomach, yeah.
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[Connor] Made me feel maybe a little bit
nauseous, a little bit uneasy.
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And a lot of people were just saying
that they wanted the tones to
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be turned off, so
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after it ran through the cycle for
about half an hour we
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let the tones kind of fade away.
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[Dana] Uf, it makes me feel
nauseous.
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- We could do something else.
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[group mumbling while
Greg walks around]
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♪ "Wildnisgeist"
By Timothy Renner
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[Dana] So once we finished
with that,
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I have a section here that's
basically breaking bread.
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So we're going to drink wine,
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we're going to eat, we're going
to break bread with Pan
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basically. And make merry with Pan.
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Because he loves that kind of
stuff. So,
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in that moment it's a really
wonderful way too because
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one of the ways to kind of begin
to wind down your magic
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is to actually eat food, because
eating food is incredibly grounding.
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So ingesting food, ingesting wine,
will begin to ground you
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back down into the waking
reality.
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And it's a really nice way to do that,
and it's also another huge sign of
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respect and just a lovely
way to kind of
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commune with those types of
energies.
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[Dana] After the invocation,
we played the tones,
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and we tried to engage with
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whatever was there as much
as we could.
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And I remember getting
really frustrated. And
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feeling almost...
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really pissed off because
I remember thinking, like
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"we're doing all the things
we're supposed to be doing.
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How come nothing is really
happening?
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Why isn't anything happening?"
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- I'm just frustrated.
- Why?
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- I don't know.
- Why?
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Just the general feeling
of frustration.
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[Tyler] And the longer we
were in that space,
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the more I wanted to crawl
out of my skin.
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I don't know, there's just
something that feels "off."
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I get the frustration.
466
00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:59,934
that's being felt I just feel like
maybe something is off.
467
00:35:00,431 --> 00:35:04,061
I wanted to crawl out of my skin
and I had this realization
468
00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:05,770
in my own mind.
469
00:35:06,312 --> 00:35:08,562
We talk about initiation.
470
00:35:08,564 --> 00:35:13,494
And we talk about getting through
things and pushing through
471
00:35:13,486 --> 00:35:15,446
and sticking to the path.
472
00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:18,317
I had this thought that maybe
473
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,290
that frustration was a part
of this.
474
00:35:22,286 --> 00:35:23,826
Is this part of it?
475
00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:27,670
Like, is this what we have to do
before we leave, is like
476
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:30,247
find some way to turn this
around?
477
00:35:30,878 --> 00:35:35,298
How do we get in a better
headspace?
478
00:35:36,592 --> 00:35:39,102
Getting through that.
[Dana] Ah.
479
00:35:39,095 --> 00:35:41,555
We've got to get through it.
- Get through this feeling.
480
00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:42,516
- Yeah
481
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,305
- Get through this feeling
- Because if we don't get through it
482
00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:45,688
we're just going to be frustrated
always.
483
00:35:45,685 --> 00:35:50,105
- Yeah. Then you get stuck. I don't
want to get stuck like this.
484
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:50,896
- No, nope.
485
00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:56,316
[snaps] - Bingo.
[Dana and Connor chuckle]
486
00:35:56,779 --> 00:35:58,739
- We have a choice!
487
00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:03,450
We're all here.
That's amazing, isn't it?
488
00:36:03,452 --> 00:36:05,792
[Greg] I'm having a fuckin blast
- We've gone this far.
489
00:36:05,788 --> 00:36:07,868
Look at this place.
490
00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:12,630
Let's actually celebrate
something,
491
00:36:14,046 --> 00:36:15,376
this is still important.
492
00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:17,631
[Dana] Celebrate activity!
- Let's celebrate activity
493
00:36:17,633 --> 00:36:18,843
[Connor] Celebrate activity!
494
00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:21,143
So let's get out of this headspace
and be happy.
495
00:36:21,137 --> 00:36:23,427
This is an amazing thing.
496
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:26,603
♪ Synth-style Hellier theme ♪
497
00:36:26,601 --> 00:36:27,561
Connor?
498
00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:30,766
[Connor laughs]
It's good wine.
499
00:36:30,771 --> 00:36:32,731
- That's what I mean,
we've got to laugh!
500
00:36:34,066 --> 00:36:37,066
[Greg] Let's go deeper in the cave
[Tyler] Let's go deeper in the cave!
501
00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:40,622
[Greg] That's what I was thinking,
let's go deeper in the cave.
502
00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:44,078
[Dana] You're right, Tyler.
503
00:36:44,076 --> 00:36:47,366
-We have the choice.
I feel fine.
504
00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:48,581
[Connor] Yeah
505
00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:53,171
[Dana] So after we do that, I
will thank and farewell the quarters
506
00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:56,549
so we'll release the four quarters
that we've invited to the circle,
507
00:36:56,839 --> 00:37:00,259
Let's say thank you, to all
of the creatures,
508
00:37:00,259 --> 00:37:03,759
all of the living creatures,
the toads and the spiders and
509
00:37:03,763 --> 00:37:05,853
everything else that was
here with us.
510
00:37:06,432 --> 00:37:09,062
Say thank you to the spirits who
were here with us,
511
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:11,350
the watchtowers who were
here with us,
512
00:37:11,354 --> 00:37:14,154
the elements that were
here with us,
513
00:37:14,148 --> 00:37:17,568
the archetypes that were here
with us,
514
00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:20,778
the energies that were here
with us,
515
00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:22,910
and the gods that were here
with us.
516
00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:25,657
And say thank you, and farewell,
517
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:29,910
and merry meet, and merry part,
and merry meet again.
518
00:37:30,873 --> 00:37:33,083
And then we'll ground the circle,
519
00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:35,504
so we basically will visualize the
circle kind of dissipating
520
00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:37,463
and going back down into the earth.
521
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:41,010
And then at the very end
when we're done with everything,
522
00:37:41,008 --> 00:37:43,548
I think we can take a lot of the
things that we were going to
523
00:37:43,552 --> 00:37:46,722
bring with us that we've used in
that ritual space
524
00:37:46,722 --> 00:37:50,602
and create what would essentially
be like a permanent altar for Pan
525
00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:53,601
in that cave and just let it be there.
526
00:37:53,604 --> 00:37:56,484
Obviously it won't be upkept but
that's fine, because I think it's
527
00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:59,612
the intention of saying "this space
was dedicated to you for a night,
528
00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:02,070
and we're going to leave this here
as a memory of that dedication,
529
00:38:02,071 --> 00:38:05,321
so if you ever want to come back
again, that energy will still be there."
530
00:38:06,158 --> 00:38:07,868
♪ synth bells ring out
531
00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:12,711
[Greg] He talks about how
successful transitions require
532
00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:15,377
ego death and rebirth.
533
00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:18,496
And he literally basically says,
he lays out that heroism
534
00:38:18,504 --> 00:38:21,594
is bullshit, and those things don't
lead to
535
00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:23,130
actual rebirth.
536
00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:27,809
Optimal frustration is what you
need for a good
537
00:38:27,805 --> 00:38:28,755
[Tyler laughing]
538
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:31,774
for a good, liminal experience.
539
00:38:31,767 --> 00:38:35,477
For a good ritual. Optimal
frustration.
540
00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:37,439
[Tyler, laughing] I was going to say,
isn't that Greg Newkirk?
541
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,860
[Laughing] Optimal frustration!
542
00:38:40,651 --> 00:38:43,611
[Greg] It's constant start and stop,
constant dead end.
543
00:38:43,612 --> 00:38:48,412
I think now I realize that this stuff
is leading to something bigger
544
00:38:48,409 --> 00:38:51,659
and bigger than all of us and it's
something worth doing, but
545
00:38:51,662 --> 00:38:54,922
at the time it sometimes didn't
really feel like it.
546
00:38:56,917 --> 00:39:00,297
Liminal states have what he calls
547
00:39:00,296 --> 00:39:03,756
"communitas." It's a social
experience that you only get
548
00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:05,298
in liminal states.
549
00:39:05,301 --> 00:39:09,641
I feel like our experience with Hellier,
a lot of us didn't really know
550
00:39:09,638 --> 00:39:11,058
each other very well.
551
00:39:11,057 --> 00:39:13,347
But going through that experience
and going through what we're
552
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:16,271
doing now I think we have that
sense of communitas.
553
00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:20,480
He gives the New York blackouts
as an example of that.
554
00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:24,283
Where everything goes out,
everybody is sharing that experience,
555
00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:26,948
and they all kinda go "we're in this
together, it's an experience that
556
00:39:26,947 --> 00:39:29,117
nobody else will be able to
experience along with us,"
557
00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:31,446
it's something that bonds
a group together.
558
00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:34,162
We're literally going through
that type of thing right now.
559
00:39:34,163 --> 00:39:36,333
That's fascinating to me.
560
00:39:36,332 --> 00:39:39,502
We're hitting all the steps of a
ritual initiation.
561
00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:45,758
I slowly get the picture, that
sometimes paranormal
562
00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:49,508
experiences are forced
initiatory experiences.
563
00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:54,482
When things start happening around
people that are in a chronic liminal state
564
00:39:54,475 --> 00:39:58,015
they experience poltergeists,
they experience all kind of weird stuff,
565
00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:00,190
it's trying to force an initiatory
experience.
566
00:40:00,189 --> 00:40:02,069
And maybe that's part of "Hellier."
567
00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:05,526
Maybe there's some sort of a
forced initiation that's happening.
568
00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:09,118
For what purpose? For what
illumination? I don't really know.
569
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:13,543
I am now more sure than I was ever
before, that
570
00:40:13,536 --> 00:40:16,246
we are doing some sort of
an initiation.
571
00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:20,174
Who our steward is?
572
00:40:20,167 --> 00:40:22,877
That's the interesting part.
Don't know.
573
00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:26,011
[ ♪ Upbeat music fades out ♪ ]
574
00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:31,135
As Greg said, it felt like
something happened.
575
00:40:31,178 --> 00:40:32,558
But it seems to me like
576
00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:36,679
that something was part
of a larger process.
577
00:40:36,684 --> 00:40:39,194
And maybe that's why we
haven't results yet
578
00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:41,806
is because we're still in the middle
of the ritual.
579
00:40:42,648 --> 00:40:44,728
It might be bigger than us.
580
00:40:44,733 --> 00:40:49,413
Bigger than just that cave that night.
It might be this project itself.
581
00:40:49,947 --> 00:40:52,987
The results of the ritual might
not even happen to us,
582
00:40:52,992 --> 00:40:56,872
I keep thinking about this idea that
they might happen to the audience at home
583
00:40:56,871 --> 00:41:00,081
in watching this as part of
the ritual.
584
00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:06,086
And the implications to that idea,
585
00:41:06,088 --> 00:41:08,128
of being part of a bigger ritual,
586
00:41:09,258 --> 00:41:12,428
were only furthered
587
00:41:14,221 --> 00:41:16,521
when we went to Detroit
588
00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:18,562
to hear from Connor
589
00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:21,193
about a breakthrough that
he made.
590
00:41:28,527 --> 00:41:36,537
[Highway traffic in distance]
591
00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:49,217
♪ Thoughtful music buildup ♪
592
00:41:58,682 --> 00:42:02,232
It always irked me, and sat
in the back of my mind,
593
00:42:02,228 --> 00:42:05,188
that we weren't using
these numbers correctly.
594
00:42:05,439 --> 00:42:09,069
And so in order to try to find
the answer to the numbers that
595
00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:11,278
Terry was telling us to use,
596
00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:16,779
I decided to play with them in
different contexts.
597
00:42:16,784 --> 00:42:19,454
And my girlfriend stepped in,
598
00:42:19,453 --> 00:42:21,793
and we started to play with
the numbers mathematically
599
00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:23,079
one night.
600
00:42:23,374 --> 00:42:26,544
And as we're doing that,
we start to notice a pattern.
601
00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,504
Over and over again.
602
00:42:28,504 --> 00:42:31,724
With different applications
mathematically to this
603
00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:33,175
series of numbers.
604
00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:36,759
I didn't know what this pattern
meant, and I didn't have
605
00:42:36,762 --> 00:42:38,182
context for it.
606
00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:42,136
So, for context, I reached out
for some help
607
00:42:42,142 --> 00:42:43,812
from an old friend.
608
00:42:44,228 --> 00:42:47,768
I understand that it's a strange
car ride to come up here from
609
00:42:47,773 --> 00:42:50,113
Cincinnati to Detroit,
610
00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:53,319
to meet with Mr. John Tenney.
611
00:42:53,737 --> 00:42:57,447
And that is because we have
some information that we think
612
00:42:57,449 --> 00:43:00,789
um, is very relevant and
pertinent to the case.
613
00:43:00,869 --> 00:43:03,289
We think that we have
614
00:43:03,455 --> 00:43:04,785
cracked
615
00:43:06,125 --> 00:43:07,285
the numbers.
616
00:43:08,627 --> 00:43:10,587
[Greg] I thought we'd
gotten the symbolic message
617
00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:12,048
from the numbers
618
00:43:12,047 --> 00:43:16,177
which was "maybe there's something
symbolic about Brown Mountain?
619
00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:21,933
Here's this balloon that says
you're going in the right direction,
620
00:43:21,932 --> 00:43:25,312
um, maybe do the abduction
experiment again,
621
00:43:26,103 --> 00:43:29,903
that's where I was with them.
I was fine, I was happy with that.
622
00:43:29,898 --> 00:43:31,978
I've learned to be happy
with that.
623
00:43:33,652 --> 00:43:34,702
So
624
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:40,910
to find out that there was another
meaning to the numbers was
625
00:43:40,909 --> 00:43:42,829
a shock.
626
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:49,594
Yeah, it was a shock and
it's a whole other can of worms.
627
00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:54,841
So you're fairly convinced at this
point that they're not GPS coordinates?
628
00:43:55,299 --> 00:43:57,839
-They're not GPS coordinates,
they're not coordinates, no.
629
00:43:57,843 --> 00:43:59,603
-I don't think so.
630
00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:03,465
-It is very odd that they're that close
to Brown Mountain, coordinate wise.
631
00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:07,144
That's potentially a very major
synchronicity.
632
00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:07,984
- Yeah.
633
00:44:07,978 --> 00:44:11,268
-If they're not coordinates, then that's
bizarre in itself, right?
634
00:44:11,273 --> 00:44:14,403
- Yeah, I mean that's the only reason
we thought they were coordinates
635
00:44:14,401 --> 00:44:16,361
is because it just seemed the
obvious solution.
636
00:44:16,362 --> 00:44:18,782
-Let's look at that second contact:
637
00:44:18,781 --> 00:44:22,661
"The ink and black are isolated still
and third order M.I.A."
638
00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:27,459
Just that sentence alone, appears very
directly, as Karl figured out, to be
639
00:44:27,456 --> 00:44:31,286
a reference to Indrid Cold
still being here on Earth.
640
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,590
But what does that also tell us?
641
00:44:35,214 --> 00:44:39,804
It tells us that he was still in
contact with Indrid Cold in 2012.
642
00:44:41,053 --> 00:44:43,143
Which is not that long ago.
643
00:44:43,138 --> 00:44:45,558
We know that he met him way back when.
644
00:44:45,557 --> 00:44:47,847
But he's still HERE he says.
645
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:51,859
Of course we've learned that
potentially Indrid Cold might have
646
00:44:51,855 --> 00:44:53,315
had something happen.
647
00:44:53,315 --> 00:44:55,775
That all said, let's look at
that next sentence.
648
00:44:55,776 --> 00:44:57,566
Something that we always thought,
649
00:44:57,569 --> 00:45:00,029
and it potentially still is, but we always
have thought of it
650
00:45:00,030 --> 00:45:00,990
as like a metaphor.
651
00:45:01,156 --> 00:45:04,736
"bare in mind for every door closed
a wind w must be opened.
652
00:45:04,743 --> 00:45:07,043
The door is closed. The window is open.
653
00:45:07,162 --> 00:45:10,752
When you plug that sentence in
to the cipher,
654
00:45:10,749 --> 00:45:13,879
the secret cipher of the UFOnauts,
that he uses in the previous sentence,
655
00:45:13,877 --> 00:45:17,127
that adds up to the value of 1025.
656
00:45:17,756 --> 00:45:18,966
- As a whole sentence?
657
00:45:18,966 --> 00:45:20,506
- As a whole sentence.
- Ok.
658
00:45:20,509 --> 00:45:21,799
-So you plug that entire
659
00:45:22,678 --> 00:45:25,558
bizarre sort of sentence there.
660
00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:29,057
Once you get that high in the cipher,
661
00:45:29,059 --> 00:45:32,399
there's only a few sentences that it
actually lines up with in
662
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:33,356
the "Book of the Law."
663
00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:36,611
And the sentence that it lines
up with is:
664
00:45:36,608 --> 00:45:44,278
"The man and the name of thy house
is 418. The end of the hiding."
665
00:45:46,201 --> 00:45:51,121
So. That may be a sort of hidden
cipher value
666
00:45:51,123 --> 00:45:53,463
that was sitting right in there
all along.
667
00:45:53,459 --> 00:45:56,919
But the point is we have
to sort of realize
668
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,800
"oh, wait maybe there's
something else there,
669
00:45:58,797 --> 00:46:00,587
maybe there's something
more interesting,"
670
00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:02,591
[Greg] And what was the Book
of the Law sentence again?
671
00:46:02,593 --> 00:46:08,773
-"The man and the name of thy house
is 418. The end of the hiding."
672
00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:13,348
Feels like an address.
[Dana] Yeah.
673
00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:16,981
In addition, "I am 49 place"?
674
00:46:16,982 --> 00:46:20,992
418, 1 + 8 is 9, there's
another one there too.
675
00:46:21,403 --> 00:46:24,873
So I don't know what to do
with that.
676
00:46:24,865 --> 00:46:28,485
But I'm just pointing out that
that's an interesting thing to note.
677
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:34,290
That's worth noting, now here
comes the big bomb at the end:
678
00:46:34,291 --> 00:46:35,881
"use the numbers."
679
00:46:36,168 --> 00:46:41,168
Ok, that sentence has haunted
all of us for YEARS now. [laugh]
680
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:45,049
When I got all of this a week
and a half ago,
681
00:46:45,552 --> 00:46:49,772
um, like I said, I tried to look at it
with fresh eyes.
682
00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:53,635
So how could, if I just gave you
a number,
683
00:46:55,437 --> 00:47:01,107
and you didn't know anything about
the qabalah,
684
00:47:01,109 --> 00:47:04,239
ritual magic, like, you're a ghost hunter.
685
00:47:04,238 --> 00:47:06,448
I'm going to give you something simple.
686
00:47:06,448 --> 00:47:10,828
And when I looked at it simply,
thinking that way,
687
00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:13,958
that's when it all seemed
to come together.
688
00:47:15,749 --> 00:47:17,919
So let's look at the numbers
themselves.
689
00:47:19,294 --> 00:47:20,884
The numbers are...
690
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:29,010
3-6-0-0-2-5-0-5
691
00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:35,232
8-1-9-0-6-8-4-0.
692
00:47:36,937 --> 00:47:37,937
Ok.
693
00:47:38,272 --> 00:47:42,652
It's a long set. We notice immediately
that there's a lot of zeros.
694
00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:46,112
But if we don't think that they're
coordinates,
695
00:47:46,113 --> 00:47:48,783
and we don't think that it's anything
else that's very simple,
696
00:47:48,782 --> 00:47:52,242
the next thing to do is to apply
697
00:47:52,244 --> 00:47:53,204
math.
698
00:47:53,912 --> 00:47:57,672
And do the simplest, easy, number
math that you can.
699
00:47:57,666 --> 00:48:00,376
For a 30 year old ghost hunter
to figure out.
700
00:48:01,086 --> 00:48:02,456
Do a magic square.
701
00:48:04,798 --> 00:48:06,758
Just lay them out in a magic square.
- Ok.
702
00:48:06,967 --> 00:48:09,467
And then start adding and subtracting.
703
00:48:10,345 --> 00:48:13,845
So all of this stuff is very similar to
numerology
704
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:17,849
where you're essentially converting
letters to numbers,
705
00:48:17,853 --> 00:48:22,903
and then adding them up until you
have a single digit between 1 and 9.
706
00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,781
[Connor]
3, 6, 0, 0,
707
00:48:25,777 --> 00:48:28,857
3 + 6 = 9.
So there's a 9.
708
00:48:28,864 --> 00:48:32,204
2 + 5 + 0 + 5 is 12,
709
00:48:33,327 --> 00:48:35,907
1 + 2 is 3.
710
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:41,170
8 + 1 + 9 + 0 is 18,
1 + 8 is 9.
711
00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:43,958
6 + 8 + 4+ 0,
712
00:48:43,962 --> 00:48:45,592
1 + 8 is 9.
713
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:49,679
So that's that value there, let's take
the second value and then lets
714
00:48:49,676 --> 00:48:51,176
add all of these up.
715
00:48:52,387 --> 00:48:56,137
9, 18, 27... 30.
716
00:48:58,727 --> 00:49:03,227
So the single digit here would be
3 + 0 = 3.
717
00:49:03,231 --> 00:49:05,901
You do the same thing going down,
718
00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:11,320
and you end up with the values 19, 20,
13, 5.
719
00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:15,663
10 + 2 is 12, + 4 is 16,
720
00:49:15,661 --> 00:49:17,541
+ 5 is 21.
721
00:49:19,206 --> 00:49:23,416
2 + 1 = 3 as well.
722
00:49:23,752 --> 00:49:25,502
So that's interesting.
723
00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:29,553
But who knows, maybe that's just
the way that it happens.
724
00:49:29,549 --> 00:49:33,259
Well shoot, let's take the entire
string of numbers and add them all up.
725
00:49:33,804 --> 00:49:37,724
3 6 0 0 2 5 0 5 8 1 9 0
726
00:49:37,724 --> 00:49:40,944
6 8 4 0 = 57.
727
00:49:42,020 --> 00:49:43,610
5 + 7
728
00:49:44,398 --> 00:49:45,608
[Tenney] is 12.
729
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,570
1 + 2, is 3.
730
00:49:49,569 --> 00:49:50,569
1 + 2, is 3.
731
00:49:51,321 --> 00:49:53,701
Let’s look at just half the number.
732
00:49:53,699 --> 00:49:57,869
3 + 6 + 0 + 0 +2 + 5 + 0 +5
= 21.
733
00:49:57,869 --> 00:49:59,199
2 + 1
734
00:49:59,997 --> 00:50:00,997
is 3.
735
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:07,340
8 +1 + 9 +0 + 6 + 8 + 4 + 0
736
00:50:07,337 --> 00:50:10,167
which is the second half of
the sequence, is 36,
737
00:50:10,173 --> 00:50:13,393
3 + 6... is 9.
738
00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:16,005
They always come out to 9's or 3's.
- Right.
739
00:50:16,013 --> 00:50:18,563
Halves, quarters, the entire thing.
740
00:50:18,557 --> 00:50:22,347
There's a 9, there's a 9,
1 + 2 is 3, there's a 3,
741
00:50:22,352 --> 00:50:24,232
1 + 8 is 9, there's a 9.
742
00:50:24,396 --> 00:50:25,396
Ok.
743
00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:29,897
Let's take all of the prime numbers.
744
00:50:29,901 --> 00:50:34,361
And as Tenney added up all the primes of
each of these individual
745
00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:36,834
they add up to 193.
746
00:50:37,701 --> 00:50:40,161
Also interesting. There's another 93.
747
00:50:40,787 --> 00:50:45,327
So, one of the first things that I
wanted to do is make sure that this
748
00:50:45,333 --> 00:50:48,053
isn't just a statistical...
749
00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:50,795
something that happens every
now and then with a string of numbers.
750
00:50:50,797 --> 00:50:52,627
So we ran it through,
751
00:50:52,632 --> 00:50:54,842
and my sister helped me out with this,
Michelle,
752
00:50:54,843 --> 00:50:57,473
we did 50 different random number
sequences,
753
00:50:57,471 --> 00:51:03,351
and only one of them came out to
9's and 4's.
754
00:51:03,351 --> 00:51:06,691
About a 2% chance that this could
potentially happen.
755
00:51:06,688 --> 00:51:09,478
So what I did is I called Tenney,
and I said "hey,
756
00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:12,693
you know, Chelsea and I were
sitting there, we figured this out it's,
757
00:51:12,694 --> 00:51:16,824
I don't know why, but I'm seeing
a lot of 9's and a lot of 3's.
758
00:51:17,365 --> 00:51:19,785
That's something that I also
told Allen Greenfield.
759
00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:21,785
And what's the first thing
that he said?
760
00:51:21,787 --> 00:51:26,037
93 in the cipher equals...
"Hellier."
761
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:30,250
93 shows up repeatedly, and
with gusto.
762
00:51:30,253 --> 00:51:33,513
[Connor] You break down the
numbers, no matter what quadrant
763
00:51:33,507 --> 00:51:37,967
you split the numbers into,
they all become either 3 or 9.
764
00:51:37,969 --> 00:51:42,059
- 93. Hellier.
- Which is... interesting. Yeah.
765
00:51:43,433 --> 00:51:45,603
- You are adding to the credential.
766
00:51:45,936 --> 00:51:50,226
So what we're left with, is a whole
lot of 9's and 3's
767
00:51:50,482 --> 00:51:52,652
and no context with what
to do with that.
768
00:51:52,901 --> 00:51:53,651
So
769
00:51:53,652 --> 00:51:57,702
at this point we're sitting there
with a lot of 93's and no context.
770
00:51:57,697 --> 00:52:03,117
Well, what did Greenfield say? That 93 is
something, is a number that's
771
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,160
extremely relevant to people
who are into Thelema, right?
772
00:52:06,164 --> 00:52:07,124
[Greg] Thelema.
773
00:52:07,124 --> 00:52:11,674
-And he joked about it, and we
kinda joke about it sometimes too,
774
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:13,170
where it's like what a weird...
775
00:52:13,171 --> 00:52:16,381
It's sort of their slogan, like
summed up in a number, right?
776
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:21,300
I mean, do you know that 93 is a
significant number to Thelemites,
777
00:52:21,304 --> 00:52:23,144
which I'm not, anymore, but
778
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:24,980
[Greg] Back then I wouldn't have,
absolutely not.
779
00:52:24,975 --> 00:52:28,015
- Well there's a jargon in Thelemic
circles.
780
00:52:28,019 --> 00:52:34,029
Thelemites will great each other with
"93", "93", "love" and "will"
781
00:52:34,317 --> 00:52:38,987
-Crowley would actually sign
his letters "93" sometimes.
782
00:52:38,989 --> 00:52:43,699
I mean it's a VERY relevant number
to people who are into this kind of stuff.
783
00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:48,247
93 = Hellier, if you run it through
the cipher it also comes out to
784
00:52:48,248 --> 00:52:51,748
the phrase "is a key also", which
is interesting.
785
00:52:52,085 --> 00:52:56,875
Then, what happened is, we're staring
at the numbers
786
00:52:56,882 --> 00:52:59,802
and you can't ignore another sequence...
787
00:53:00,969 --> 00:53:02,969
This big old' 31 here.
788
00:53:04,431 --> 00:53:06,731
31 times 3 is,
789
00:53:07,893 --> 00:53:08,893
93.
790
00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:12,226
So there's another 3,
there's another 93.
791
00:53:13,231 --> 00:53:16,531
31 x 3 is 93 is also something that
people who
792
00:53:16,526 --> 00:53:17,936
are into Thelema have really
793
00:53:17,944 --> 00:53:19,824
sort of taken because
794
00:53:19,821 --> 00:53:23,951
"31" is a reference to "Liber 31."
795
00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:28,580
Which was written by Aleister
Crowley's apprentice Frater Achad
796
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:33,710
and it's a whole other jumbled
mess of these writings, right?
797
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:38,260
When you look at "Liber 31", which
was written by Achad,
798
00:53:39,424 --> 00:53:40,764
just take this book
799
00:53:40,759 --> 00:53:44,429
and look at "Liber 31," which was
800
00:53:45,347 --> 00:53:47,807
as delivered by a being called...
801
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,640
[Greg] 93...
802
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:52,190
418.
803
00:53:52,187 --> 00:53:54,727
So there's both of those numbers again.
804
00:53:55,065 --> 00:53:56,015
- What the fuck...
805
00:53:56,024 --> 00:53:57,034
[Tyler] Holy shit!
806
00:53:57,609 --> 00:54:00,449
"The man and the name of thy house
807
00:54:00,737 --> 00:54:01,737
is 418."
808
00:54:03,448 --> 00:54:04,448
- Weird.
809
00:54:05,617 --> 00:54:08,327
[Greg] What are the odds of that...?
810
00:54:08,787 --> 00:54:09,787
[Tenney] Exactly.
811
00:54:09,788 --> 00:54:12,458
- Both of them. It's intentional.
812
00:54:12,874 --> 00:54:13,884
[Connor] Yeah.
813
00:54:13,875 --> 00:54:15,085
- Like it has to be intentional,
right?
814
00:54:15,085 --> 00:54:16,085
- It certainly feels intentional.
815
00:54:16,378 --> 00:54:20,668
[Tenney] And this is something, again,
about looking at something simple.
816
00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:25,179
Break away, and just say,
"ok we've got these numbers
817
00:54:25,178 --> 00:54:26,348
what do we do with them?"
818
00:54:27,138 --> 00:54:28,638
Let's say you did
819
00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:32,939
or you did, one of you did run a
simple number square, right?
820
00:54:32,936 --> 00:54:36,976
And you realize that 31 was important
to start at.
821
00:54:37,399 --> 00:54:38,189
Right?
822
00:54:38,358 --> 00:54:42,318
So that's telling you, this book, right?
823
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,660
And then it starts giving you
3's, 3's, 3's, and 9's.
824
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,500
Right? Sometimes 93, sometimes 39.
825
00:54:50,495 --> 00:54:54,495
But it's definitely giving you 3's
and 9's, right?
826
00:54:54,499 --> 00:54:57,539
If 31 is the book we're supposed to
be looking at,
827
00:54:57,544 --> 00:54:59,304
then what's the 3 and the 9?
828
00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:00,666
Like why is that important?
829
00:55:00,755 --> 00:55:02,625
Well, it's the 3rd chapter.
830
00:55:03,883 --> 00:55:05,053
9th verse.
831
00:55:05,677 --> 00:55:07,927
So you look at the 3rd chapter
and the 9th verse,
832
00:55:07,929 --> 00:55:08,929
and the 9th verse is:
833
00:55:09,347 --> 00:55:12,727
"Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them!
834
00:55:12,726 --> 00:55:15,516
This is the Law of the Battle of Conquest,
thus shall my
835
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,940
worship be about my secret house."
836
00:55:18,898 --> 00:55:22,688
[Connor] So, is that a phrase
that's familiar to Gr...
837
00:55:22,694 --> 00:55:25,114
is that a phrase that's familiar to
you at all?
838
00:55:25,113 --> 00:55:27,953
That's ok if it's not. It kind of peaked
my interest,
839
00:55:27,949 --> 00:55:29,489
- It feels familiar...
840
00:55:29,492 --> 00:55:32,202
[Tyler] The "Law of the Battle of
Conquest" is also a chapter
841
00:55:32,203 --> 00:55:36,173
in "Secret Cipher", the book itself,
which was attributed to Wriste's writing.
842
00:55:36,166 --> 00:55:37,786
- Fuck outta here.
843
00:55:37,792 --> 00:55:40,212
- Which is literally about his
interception...
844
00:55:40,211 --> 00:55:41,551
- Fuck. Outta here.
845
00:55:41,546 --> 00:55:43,166
- This is un-believable!
846
00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:46,633
[Tenney] He's not talking about
the interview, he's talking about
847
00:55:46,634 --> 00:55:48,854
the chapter BEFORE the interview.
848
00:55:48,845 --> 00:55:50,215
- Yeah! The chapter, the
chapter before it.
849
00:55:50,221 --> 00:55:52,101
[Connor] Right at the top of the
interview,
850
00:55:52,098 --> 00:55:54,478
in front of our faces the whole time.
851
00:55:54,476 --> 00:56:00,686
93 directs you not only to these
writings of Thelema, and the occult,
852
00:56:00,690 --> 00:56:03,150
and stuff that Terry was interested into,
853
00:56:03,151 --> 00:56:06,401
but literally is a reference to
"The Law of the Battle of Conquest
854
00:56:06,404 --> 00:56:08,624
is the work of our friend and
comrade-in-arms who goes
855
00:56:08,615 --> 00:56:10,865
by the name Terry R. Wriste."
856
00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:13,367
[Greg] Get the fuck out of here!
This whole fuckin' time.
857
00:56:13,453 --> 00:56:15,373
- It was right on the top.
- Right there.
858
00:56:15,872 --> 00:56:22,552
In the chapter, Terry references
a particular passage
859
00:56:22,545 --> 00:56:25,715
in another book by Crowley,
there's a couple of paragraphs.
860
00:56:25,715 --> 00:56:27,625
About "The Book of Lies,"
861
00:56:27,634 --> 00:56:29,684
which contains 93 chapters.
862
00:56:29,844 --> 00:56:30,854
And
863
00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:38,560
these last two chapters are about
Terry going out and doing a ritual
864
00:56:39,646 --> 00:56:41,306
and the ritual is called
865
00:56:42,857 --> 00:56:44,647
"The Star Sapphire."
866
00:56:46,861 --> 00:56:48,281
The blue star.
867
00:56:48,822 --> 00:56:52,872
[Greg] Well I mean, what's the context
of finding it's a blocked path...
868
00:56:52,867 --> 00:56:54,947
[Connor] It's a star.
- It's a star?
869
00:56:54,953 --> 00:56:56,123
- Yeah.
870
00:56:56,121 --> 00:56:59,041
- A blue star.
Blue star, mountain green.
871
00:56:59,124 --> 00:57:01,544
[Connor] Oh yeah, he was doing a
Sirius ritual...
872
00:57:01,543 --> 00:57:03,963
[Greenfield] Yeah, well he was very
into that.
873
00:57:03,962 --> 00:57:06,462
He said it himself: it's a blue star.
874
00:57:07,632 --> 00:57:09,262
- So the blue star,
875
00:57:09,926 --> 00:57:15,216
is essentially the content of the
chapter that Terry was
876
00:57:15,223 --> 00:57:18,943
potentially trying to get you
to read the whole time.
877
00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:23,358
- And we're literally finding
blue stars
878
00:57:23,356 --> 00:57:25,106
- I know.
- on blocked paths.
879
00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:26,228
In the forest.
880
00:57:26,234 --> 00:57:27,034
[Tyler] Oh my god.
881
00:57:27,026 --> 00:57:30,026
[Tenney] Terry is not the first person to
come up with 93.
882
00:57:30,029 --> 00:57:32,819
He's basing it on 100 year old
occultists.
883
00:57:32,824 --> 00:57:36,744
And occultists before them were coming
up with the same numbers.
884
00:57:36,744 --> 00:57:40,084
And it's not that they were all
figuring it out,
885
00:57:40,081 --> 00:57:43,751
it was that something older than
all of them
886
00:57:43,751 --> 00:57:48,381
is revealing itself to them saying
"yes you're on the right path."
887
00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:51,051
And they recognize it's relevant.
888
00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:53,300
And now it's doing it to all of you.
889
00:57:53,303 --> 00:57:57,893
It's THAT thing, it's the phenomena,
890
00:57:58,308 --> 00:58:00,228
saying "yes."
891
00:58:00,310 --> 00:58:03,730
[Tyler] So even though it seems
like the numbers are cracked,
892
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:07,030
what I think is vitally important
to note
893
00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:10,356
is that at the end of the day
894
00:58:11,488 --> 00:58:14,698
I went to that area of Brown Mountain,
895
00:58:14,699 --> 00:58:18,579
or the outskirts of it, believing
those were coordinate points.
896
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:20,660
And something still happened.
897
00:58:21,206 --> 00:58:23,116
So what does that mean
898
00:58:24,542 --> 00:58:27,212
thinking that the phenomena
is taking notice?
899
00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:30,173
Where maybe it doesn't matter
900
00:58:31,216 --> 00:58:33,466
exactly what threads
we're following,
901
00:58:33,468 --> 00:58:37,258
but we're taking the initiative
to follow the path
902
00:58:37,597 --> 00:58:39,177
and to put in that effort.
903
00:58:39,724 --> 00:58:42,984
And being shown that what we
are doing is important.
904
00:58:43,311 --> 00:58:45,101
[Greg] So the question
905
00:58:46,064 --> 00:58:47,524
the question then is
906
00:58:48,775 --> 00:58:52,145
what's the next step?
907
00:58:53,279 --> 00:58:57,619
[Connor] There's a potential that
Terry wanted us to do that,
908
00:58:58,284 --> 00:59:02,254
so you read the ritual, and what
I did is I called Dana,
909
00:59:03,331 --> 00:59:05,831
and she's been researching the
ritual itself.
910
00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:10,344
The ritual, as it's read,
911
00:59:11,422 --> 00:59:13,052
I don't understand any of it.
912
00:59:13,049 --> 00:59:15,759
I don't understand this, I'm not
sure you did,
913
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,430
it's something that's pretty...
914
00:59:18,179 --> 00:59:19,179
pretty bizarre and in-depth.
915
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:24,940
I don't have a very strong background
in ceremonial magic,
916
00:59:24,936 --> 00:59:29,356
and I don't practice Thelema and I
don't really know a lot about it.
917
00:59:29,357 --> 00:59:33,147
And so it's a bit scary when
918
00:59:33,152 --> 00:59:37,572
you have this very distinct ritual
919
00:59:37,574 --> 00:59:40,664
sitting in front of you that it looks
like you're supposed to be doing.
920
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:44,160
And you have the understanding
at least to know that
921
00:59:44,163 --> 00:59:47,423
it would take months if not years
to work up
922
00:59:47,417 --> 00:59:49,787
to even being able to attempt
a ritual like that.
923
00:59:50,044 --> 00:59:53,674
And to do it out of order would
be incredibly dangerous
924
00:59:53,673 --> 00:59:55,433
to every single one of us.
925
00:59:55,425 --> 00:59:57,795
So it wouldn't be something that we would
want to sort of just
926
00:59:57,802 --> 00:59:59,642
dive head-first into.
927
00:59:59,637 --> 01:00:02,927
When you look at the ritual Dana
noticed something interesting
928
01:00:02,932 --> 01:00:06,062
which was the phrase "N.O.X."
which shows up a lot,
929
01:00:06,352 --> 01:00:07,852
- What is it?
930
01:00:08,229 --> 01:00:10,019
- Nox.
- N-O-X
931
01:00:10,023 --> 01:00:13,783
So, again, this
isn't my wheelhouse,
932
01:00:13,776 --> 01:00:16,396
it's not the kind of magic that
I practice,
933
01:00:16,404 --> 01:00:18,574
so I don't understand a lot of it.
934
01:00:18,573 --> 01:00:21,413
But from the very basic amount
of research that I did,
935
01:00:21,409 --> 01:00:25,619
"nox" or "n.o.x." is usually
referred to as "The Night of Pan."
936
01:00:26,497 --> 01:00:28,577
- Fuck outta here!
- Oh my god, What?!
937
01:00:28,583 --> 01:00:31,633
It's a mystical state
938
01:00:31,628 --> 01:00:34,298
that is meant to
represent ego-death.
939
01:00:35,298 --> 01:00:36,508
Oh, that's interesting.
940
01:00:37,008 --> 01:00:39,928
It's literally referred to as "The
Night of Pan,"
941
01:00:39,927 --> 01:00:42,967
it's a process within the ritual.
942
01:00:42,972 --> 01:00:47,022
It's something that you have to master
before you even attempt this ritual
943
01:00:47,018 --> 01:00:51,058
because there are elements to
the Star Sapphire
944
01:00:51,064 --> 01:00:54,034
it's not a beginner's ritual, you have to
learn how to do
945
01:00:54,025 --> 01:00:56,895
a lot of the things that are contained
within it.
946
01:00:57,111 --> 01:00:57,901
And
947
01:00:57,904 --> 01:01:03,664
the N.O.X. or nox is one of those
those signals.
948
01:01:04,369 --> 01:01:07,459
[Tenney] No, I, I honestly, I
do believe, I don't think
949
01:01:07,455 --> 01:01:09,995
that when you talk about like
950
01:01:10,875 --> 01:01:15,045
Sapphire Star ritual and stuff, again
I think that these are nods
951
01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:18,010
that these are the directions
that you're going
952
01:01:18,966 --> 01:01:20,966
in... are correct.
953
01:01:21,219 --> 01:01:24,719
But I don't think it wants old magic.
954
01:01:25,556 --> 01:01:27,766
I think it wants something new.
955
01:01:27,767 --> 01:01:34,687
-So, that said, what do you
think we're supposed to do with this?
956
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:37,571
- I personally think that you're
supposed to do a ritual.
957
01:01:37,568 --> 01:01:40,658
But I don't think that that
ritual exists right now.
958
01:01:41,406 --> 01:01:44,776
-So the one, and the one thing,
and again,
959
01:01:44,784 --> 01:01:47,874
I'm trying to understand this ritual
as much as I possibly can
960
01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:51,120
but if there was one thing that I could
kind of take away with it
961
01:01:51,124 --> 01:01:53,424
again, knowing about this for like 24 hours
962
01:01:53,418 --> 01:01:56,298
is that the Star Sapphire, it's an
invoking ritual.
963
01:01:57,797 --> 01:02:01,007
So it's meant to invoke something,
to bring about something.
964
01:02:01,008 --> 01:02:03,258
- Who are we supposed to invoke
or what are we supposed to invoke?
965
01:02:03,261 --> 01:02:04,721
[Dana] I don't know. Pan?
966
01:02:04,804 --> 01:02:06,514
[Karl] The rebirth of Pan.
967
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:08,389
-Yeah.
968
01:02:10,143 --> 01:02:12,353
The only Greek god that's dead...
969
01:02:15,314 --> 01:02:16,774
-Asleep for a long time...
970
01:02:16,774 --> 01:02:18,444
-Yeah. Dead.
971
01:02:19,235 --> 01:02:19,935
-Right.
972
01:02:21,738 --> 01:02:24,068
I mean it's... it's...
973
01:02:26,784 --> 01:02:28,164
It's at the point where
974
01:02:28,161 --> 01:02:29,871
is that a synchronicity?
975
01:02:30,121 --> 01:02:33,791
Or is that just... a slap
in the face?
976
01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:42,840
It's beyond
977
01:02:43,634 --> 01:02:45,684
it's beyond hinting at this point.
978
01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:50,023
It's obvious. It's an absolute fact
979
01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:52,806
that this is connected.
980
01:02:52,810 --> 01:02:55,770
I don't know, there's no way to
even deny it,
981
01:02:55,772 --> 01:02:59,652
we could try and deny it at this point,
but to do that would just be stupid.
982
01:02:59,650 --> 01:03:01,780
We would just be being
ignorant on purpose.
983
01:03:05,198 --> 01:03:08,078
ALL of these things, everything
that we've been doing now,
984
01:03:08,075 --> 01:03:09,695
for two years
985
01:03:10,912 --> 01:03:11,702
is
986
01:03:12,997 --> 01:03:13,997
on purpose.
987
01:03:16,083 --> 01:03:17,753
Even the dead ends
988
01:03:18,544 --> 01:03:20,174
are all on purpose.
989
01:03:20,505 --> 01:03:22,005
It's... it's all
990
01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:23,673
being guided.
991
01:03:26,219 --> 01:03:28,349
♪ acoustic guitar and humming
992
01:03:30,264 --> 01:03:33,944
[Connor] Suddenly these numbers,
this research, is pointing to
993
01:03:33,935 --> 01:03:38,855
something much more than strange
creatures in caves in Kentucky.
994
01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:45,949
[Dana] If Hellier was
995
01:03:47,031 --> 01:03:48,741
... a symptom.
996
01:03:49,909 --> 01:03:51,699
I think Somerset
997
01:03:52,453 --> 01:03:54,503
is an aspect of that symptom.
998
01:03:54,497 --> 01:03:59,167
But I think there's more, and layers,
going on there.
999
01:03:59,168 --> 01:04:04,048
And I think those layers have had
time to bleed into each other.
1000
01:04:05,466 --> 01:04:08,716
I think there are still things in
Somerset that we could do.
1001
01:04:08,886 --> 01:04:11,056
The question is do we want to
do them.
1002
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:15,019
And I don't know the answer to that right
now, I'm too close to it right now.
1003
01:04:15,017 --> 01:04:18,687
I'm gonna have to think about it for a
while, and I think we all are.
1004
01:04:18,688 --> 01:04:22,478
I think that question will be answered
differently by each and every one of us.
1005
01:04:22,483 --> 01:04:25,443
I'm sure that some of us will say
"nope, I'm done I feel good.
1006
01:04:25,444 --> 01:04:27,784
I'm done with Somerset."
1007
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:31,280
I don't know if I can answer that one yet.
1008
01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:37,420
[Dana] I know that whatever is happening
in Somerset is not going to stop
1009
01:04:37,415 --> 01:04:38,825
happening anytime soon.
1010
01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:42,093
And it's probably
just going to continue
1011
01:04:42,086 --> 01:04:44,706
growing, and the stories will continue
to spread.
1012
01:04:44,714 --> 01:04:47,384
And people will continue to have
experiences.
1013
01:04:47,383 --> 01:04:54,643
And hopefully that little piece of our
ego-death that happened in that cave,
1014
01:04:55,349 --> 01:05:00,099
and working with Pan, was enough to
create some ripple of
1015
01:05:00,104 --> 01:05:02,864
healing in that space.
1016
01:05:04,859 --> 01:05:07,189
I don't think we're done in any
of the places we've gone.
1017
01:05:08,279 --> 01:05:11,819
I think we'll go back to every single
one of them. For some reason.
1018
01:05:13,784 --> 01:05:14,794
I think
1019
01:05:14,785 --> 01:05:17,035
there are places we have yet to go,
1020
01:05:17,830 --> 01:05:22,630
and there are places that we've been.
And at one point in time,
1021
01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:28,092
throughout this journey, we're going
to have to come all the way back again.
1022
01:05:28,507 --> 01:05:30,637
And I don't think that we're
done with any of them.
1023
01:05:30,843 --> 01:05:32,763
♪ "American Monsters"
By Sunspot
1024
01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:34,559
[Greg] We have a whole box
of tools now.
1025
01:05:35,514 --> 01:05:38,144
You know, Karl has the lines,
1026
01:05:38,142 --> 01:05:41,732
we have power names, we have rituals,
1027
01:05:41,729 --> 01:05:43,939
we have numbers,
1028
01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:46,280
we have a whole checklist of things.
1029
01:05:46,275 --> 01:05:47,525
We have maps,
1030
01:05:47,526 --> 01:05:49,946
we have geomagnetic anomalies,
1031
01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:52,566
we have cave systems,
1032
01:05:52,573 --> 01:05:54,623
we have the tones.
1033
01:05:54,617 --> 01:05:58,537
We've been given all of these
things to use.
1034
01:05:58,537 --> 01:06:01,787
I can look at those maps, and I can
look at a geomagnetic anomaly,
1035
01:06:01,791 --> 01:06:05,461
I can look at a name, I can look
at a cave system.
1036
01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:08,341
I can look at how it works
in the cipher.
1037
01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:10,629
"What does this name come out
to in the cipher?"
1038
01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:12,843
If that name comes out
to a specific number,
1039
01:06:12,843 --> 01:06:14,473
I'm fairly confident I could
1040
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:18,060
drive to that town, and find something
weird there right away.
1041
01:06:18,641 --> 01:06:20,731
THAT's what we've been given.
1042
01:06:20,726 --> 01:06:23,556
We did not have that two years ago.
1043
01:06:24,522 --> 01:06:28,692
And I think that's part of the reason
we've been doing all of this.
1044
01:06:30,111 --> 01:06:32,361
[Tyler] I just hope it provokes wonder.
1045
01:06:32,363 --> 01:06:33,323
I hope it...
1046
01:06:34,991 --> 01:06:38,541
I hope if anything it gives people
the strength
1047
01:06:38,536 --> 01:06:41,496
to not stop asking questions.
1048
01:06:42,498 --> 01:06:44,458
Because I don't think enough
people do.
1049
01:06:45,042 --> 01:06:49,212
And I think the people this resonates with
are the people that ASK questions.
1050
01:06:50,297 --> 01:06:52,677
How can you make progress
if you don't?
1051
01:06:53,843 --> 01:06:57,263
[Connor] So everything is pointing us to
1052
01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:59,853
this phenomena having a larger face,
1053
01:07:00,266 --> 01:07:04,306
that Greg thinks he might be seeing
a little bit through his research.
1054
01:07:04,311 --> 01:07:05,271
But
1055
01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:10,150
the phenomena itself, I mean the goblins,
Indrid Cold,
1056
01:07:10,151 --> 01:07:12,571
other cave creatures, things like that,
1057
01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:16,905
the town of Hellier and everything
that happened there,
1058
01:07:16,907 --> 01:07:19,157
you quickly start to realize
1059
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,580
was just a symptom.
1060
01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:23,369
Of something larger.
1061
01:07:24,665 --> 01:07:27,665
Which Terry was telling us from
the very beginning.
1062
01:07:28,252 --> 01:07:30,592
The next phase...
1063
01:07:30,588 --> 01:07:32,628
is following through.
1064
01:07:32,631 --> 01:07:36,801
And finding a window that's open,
1065
01:07:38,012 --> 01:07:42,852
if not potentially opening a window
ourselves.
1066
01:07:55,362 --> 01:08:01,082
♪ "American Monsters"
By Sunspot ♪
1067
01:09:09,812 --> 01:09:11,652
Are you ready for this?
[Dana] Mmhm.
1068
01:09:11,647 --> 01:09:15,107
We met a kid at the Mothman Festival
whose name was Levi.
1069
01:09:15,109 --> 01:09:18,609
And he immediately made an impression
on us because he
1070
01:09:18,612 --> 01:09:20,702
had us sign a tin can.
1071
01:09:20,698 --> 01:09:22,988
And then he started talking about Keel.
1072
01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:26,542
And he really likes Keel's work, and
he said
1073
01:09:27,329 --> 01:09:31,959
"You know there's a pamphlet Keel wrote
and sold at UFO conferences in the 90's
1074
01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:34,039
called 'Flying Saucer Subculture.'
1075
01:09:34,044 --> 01:09:37,594
I think you guys would really be interested
to see the cover."
1076
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:42,180
So eventually I reached out to
Doug Skinner, who runs johnkeel.com,
1077
01:09:42,678 --> 01:09:45,218
because Doug did the art
1078
01:09:45,222 --> 01:09:47,142
that's on the cover of this.
1079
01:09:47,141 --> 01:09:51,651
And he was very nice and he said
"I will send you a copy."
1080
01:09:51,645 --> 01:09:54,105
"The Flying Saucer Subculture"
by John Keel,
1081
01:09:54,106 --> 01:09:56,356
and the cover depicts a party
1082
01:09:56,358 --> 01:10:00,648
with all these different famous aliens,
1083
01:10:00,654 --> 01:10:03,164
there's a guy doing hypnosis,
1084
01:10:03,157 --> 01:10:05,077
there's a Venusian,
1085
01:10:05,075 --> 01:10:06,285
there's a Dero,
1086
01:10:06,285 --> 01:10:08,495
but what's crazy is
1087
01:10:09,914 --> 01:10:12,504
what's that and what is he
holding?
1088
01:10:16,086 --> 01:10:18,006
[Dana] It's a goblin holding a tin can.
1089
01:10:18,005 --> 01:10:21,255
-That is a Kentucky goblin holding,
1090
01:10:21,258 --> 01:10:26,098
not just a tin can, one of the tin can
robots
1091
01:10:26,096 --> 01:10:29,386
that Keel wrote about. One of the
tin can chimeras.
1092
01:10:30,392 --> 01:10:32,652
This came out in 1994.
1093
01:10:33,354 --> 01:10:37,194
But of all the people, of all the
entities to be holding a tin can,
1094
01:10:37,191 --> 01:10:38,361
- it happened to be the goblin.
1095
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:40,109
- It had to be a Kentucky goblin.
1096
01:10:40,569 --> 01:10:41,569
- That's insane.
1097
01:10:42,112 --> 01:10:43,912
- Is that even a synchronicity?
1098
01:10:43,906 --> 01:10:45,066
- I don't know what that is!
[laughing]
1099
01:10:45,074 --> 01:10:46,834
- Well what is it?!
What do you call that?
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