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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,632 --> 00:00:10,262 What is something that all of the ritual magicians have been telling 2 00:00:10,260 --> 00:00:12,640 us when they watched Hellier? 3 00:00:13,555 --> 00:00:16,465 We're doing an initiation. We're doing some kind of a ritual. 4 00:00:23,773 --> 00:00:28,033 [Greg] I tried to find one of the best books about initiations that I could find. 5 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:29,778 Something that was modern. 6 00:00:30,155 --> 00:00:35,405 What I landed on was 'The Archetype of Initiation - Sacred Space, Ritual Process, 7 00:00:35,410 --> 00:00:40,290 and Personal Transformation'. These are all lectures and essays by Robert Moore. 8 00:00:42,208 --> 00:00:45,418 So one of the things I have to lay out is this is not a paranormal book whatsoever, 9 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:48,210 but reading this book has given me so many thoughts and ideas 10 00:00:48,214 --> 00:00:49,174 about paranormal phenomena. 11 00:00:51,634 --> 00:00:54,764 He has a lot of really interesting things to say about synchronicity. 12 00:00:54,763 --> 00:00:58,353 I wasn't looking at synchronicity when I got this book. 13 00:01:00,101 --> 00:01:05,821 The guy that wrote this book is a Jungian psychologist, so, he, 14 00:01:05,815 --> 00:01:08,565 Jung is the guy who coined the term synchronicity, 15 00:01:08,568 --> 00:01:13,108 so synchronicity is something that popped up after he started looking at the idea. 16 00:01:13,114 --> 00:01:17,204 This guy says, in terms of a ritual initiation, 17 00:01:17,202 --> 00:01:22,792 "Synchronicity is a sign of being in the process of an initiation, 18 00:01:23,541 --> 00:01:27,051 not necessarily anything other than a byproduct of being 19 00:01:27,045 --> 00:01:31,215 in the middle of an initiatory experience". That is what synchronicity is. 20 00:01:33,009 --> 00:01:36,719 [ ♪ Thoughtful piano music ♪ ] 21 00:01:40,391 --> 00:01:45,231 [Greg] If it's a call, if you really are part of a call, it's always scary. 22 00:01:49,818 --> 00:01:51,648 The call is always scary. 23 00:01:51,653 --> 00:01:53,493 If it's not scary, it's not really a call. 24 00:01:55,198 --> 00:02:03,578 ♪♪♪ 25 00:02:16,845 --> 00:02:25,265 [Slow piano notes] 26 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:50,298 [car engine starting] 27 00:03:06,603 --> 00:03:16,033 [Piano notes begin to speed up] 28 00:03:24,162 --> 00:03:26,622 [ ♪ Wildnisgeist by Timothy Renner ♪ ] 29 00:03:26,623 --> 00:03:29,043 "It will have blood, they say. Blood will have blood. 30 00:03:29,209 --> 00:03:33,499 Stones have been known to move, and trees to speak". 31 00:03:43,848 --> 00:03:47,688 [Greg] The fuck is going on out here? [Tyler, laughing] Oh, man! 32 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,110 [Greg] that's fuckin... [Karl] that feels like a fucking sign, man 33 00:03:54,108 --> 00:03:56,648 [Greg chuckles] Oh boy! 34 00:03:59,155 --> 00:04:03,155 [Tyler] That's fucking weird [Greg] It's so crazy too cause we did not 35 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,999 take Strawberry Road earlier when we came scouting yesterday. 36 00:04:06,996 --> 00:04:09,786 [Greg] I don't even know why it used Strawberry Road. 37 00:04:09,791 --> 00:04:11,921 -Yeah we never went this way at all. 38 00:04:13,878 --> 00:04:16,758 [Karl] Whoo! [Greg] heart pumping a little bit.. 39 00:04:16,756 --> 00:04:18,546 [Karl] That tree's got me now 40 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:25,183 ♪♪♪ 41 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:29,845 [background water sounds] 42 00:04:30,144 --> 00:04:35,324 [Dana] One of the things that I really wanted to do is some sort of a ritual, 43 00:04:35,316 --> 00:04:41,526 and it looks as if, it would make sense if that ritual would happen inside of a cave. 44 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:48,871 So the ritual itself is sixteen steps. 45 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:55,174 [Dana] Each one of these steps is a way to kind of let the phenomena know 46 00:04:55,169 --> 00:05:01,509 that we're there to communicate and to learn as much as we possibly can from it. 47 00:05:04,887 --> 00:05:09,927 [Dana] The second step is no iron, so no iron jewelry, 48 00:05:09,934 --> 00:05:13,024 I know that that can be difficult with camera equipment, 49 00:05:13,021 --> 00:05:17,571 but as long as we're not wearing any iron, that would be really good. 50 00:05:20,486 --> 00:05:26,366 And Iron is basically a repellant of the Fae, so it's something that we 51 00:05:26,367 --> 00:05:28,197 should kind of eliminate as much as possible 52 00:05:28,202 --> 00:05:31,002 cause they just won't come around if there's iron. 53 00:05:38,504 --> 00:05:42,554 [Greg] The main goal of that ritual was the invocation of Pan. 54 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:46,350 whether you wanna see it as the god Pan, or you wanna see it as 55 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:53,386 the energy or spirit of Pan, the spirit of all, of this, this 56 00:05:53,728 --> 00:05:58,608 thing that has seemed to be hovering a lot of what we've been doing. 57 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:00,650 It was... 58 00:06:02,445 --> 00:06:06,315 As I understand it, it was meant as an official introduction. 59 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:25,047 ♪♪♪ 60 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:46,613 [ ♪ Guitar plucking and mechanical drone ♪ ] 61 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:09,889 [Dana] Step three is when we are approaching the cave, 62 00:07:09,887 --> 00:07:14,137 we have to clap our hands as much as possible. It sounds kind of silly, 63 00:07:14,142 --> 00:07:19,232 I realize it sounds kind of silly, but Pan doesn't like to be snuck up on. 64 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,900 So in older rituals, a lot of the time they would walk up to the caves 65 00:07:23,901 --> 00:07:27,161 just clapping their hands, just to let them, let Pan know that they were 66 00:07:27,155 --> 00:07:29,235 approaching so that he wasn't startled by them. 67 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,370 Which I think is just fun, and I think it's kind of a cool way to bring in 68 00:07:32,368 --> 00:07:33,738 like some of the older traditions. 69 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:49,721 [Everyone clapping] 70 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:56,602 [Tyler] After a year of prepping, learning how to go into these caves, 71 00:07:56,601 --> 00:08:02,021 descend into these weird, strange realms, we finally have the day, when we are 72 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:05,863 going to descend and see for ourselves what this location entail. 73 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:11,321 [Dana] The entrance didn't even look real, it looks like a movie set. 74 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:16,544 It looks like this beautiful, massive cave that just sort of appears in the 75 00:08:16,537 --> 00:08:20,497 middle of nowhere and you have to kind of trudge through a creek 76 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:24,250 and through the woods to find it, and then suddenly there's this massive 77 00:08:24,253 --> 00:08:27,633 opening and it just sort of, beckons you inside cause there's a perfect bend 78 00:08:27,632 --> 00:08:30,012 so you just want to see what's around every corner. 79 00:08:32,261 --> 00:08:36,521 [Tyler] We finally reach the point where we had the means of entering it properly, 80 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:42,055 so finally having the chance to experience this firsthand, 81 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:48,859 was a great amount of closure for me. To be inside of this space. 82 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:59,036 I felt a buildup of everything, we had been working toward. 83 00:08:59,997 --> 00:09:04,417 I in particular was excited for anything. I was ready to see anything, 84 00:09:04,794 --> 00:09:09,674 I was ready to experience anything, and after hearing all these stories, 85 00:09:09,674 --> 00:09:15,764 whether that be these strange, underground cultists, or these creatures, 86 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:22,101 I think I was prepared to see anything. I wanted to, I wanted to see something. 87 00:09:22,103 --> 00:09:26,823 Even though--even though I think that would have provoked fear 88 00:09:27,191 --> 00:09:30,821 in the greater group, I think I wanted something overt to happen. 89 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:34,030 I was almost expecting it. 90 00:09:39,954 --> 00:09:44,504 [Dana] The interesting thing about Pan is he was never worshiped in any 91 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:48,420 one specific place. They didn't have permanent altars erected for him, 92 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:52,221 they didn't have temple spaces for him. Pan was worshiped in nature. 93 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:56,545 He was worshiped out in the forest and he was worshiped in caves specifically 94 00:09:56,554 --> 00:10:00,144 so it was very important that we worship and make some kind of a connection 95 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:03,391 with Pan in that space because that's his space specifically, 96 00:10:03,394 --> 00:10:06,814 so if he was going to meet us anywhere, it was going to be in a cave. 97 00:10:10,401 --> 00:10:14,111 [Connor] Going in there to, sort of conjure this ancient entity, 98 00:10:14,113 --> 00:10:20,293 is an intimidating aspect, and in a way, challenges my belief system a little bit. 99 00:10:20,536 --> 00:10:26,206 and so I had to take it in stride,and had to sort of sit back and think, 100 00:10:26,208 --> 00:10:31,378 you know, I'm going to see, as an investigator, with this God given 101 00:10:31,380 --> 00:10:36,930 curiosity, what's going on here. So, I decided to sit back with my own 102 00:10:36,927 --> 00:10:40,677 personal protection, and feeling a protection myself, to sit back 103 00:10:40,681 --> 00:10:42,561 and wait, and see what happens. 104 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:50,114 [Dana] The next step is to cast a circle. 105 00:10:50,566 --> 00:10:54,646 So traditionally in magic, one of the things that many magic practitioners 106 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:57,204 will do is something called a circle casting. 107 00:10:57,198 --> 00:11:02,198 And it's the idea that you're creating an energetic circle around your space. 108 00:11:02,203 --> 00:11:08,003 So basically, these white candles, we're gonna use them as our outline. 109 00:11:09,377 --> 00:11:12,957 So that we don't accidentally cross it. 110 00:11:13,714 --> 00:11:16,884 And you really just do it through visualization and through a lot of 111 00:11:16,884 --> 00:11:20,974 physically drawing a circle around the space. 112 00:11:20,971 --> 00:11:24,851 And the reason that you would do that, is if you wanna envision it 113 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:29,400 like a 3-D bubble that goes above us and below the ground, and it's basically 114 00:11:29,397 --> 00:11:34,317 an energy circle to contain energy. So, when you're doing spellwork, 115 00:11:34,318 --> 00:11:38,448 or any kind of ritual work, the idea is you're raising energy, you're putting 116 00:11:38,447 --> 00:11:42,827 intention out into the universe, into the atmosphere around you, 117 00:11:42,827 --> 00:11:46,457 and if you don't have a circle, a lot of the time what can happen is that 118 00:11:46,455 --> 00:11:50,035 energy will just easily dissipate. So you're raising it, and it's literally 119 00:11:50,042 --> 00:11:53,632 just dissipating and you're not able to kinda, contain it and put intention 120 00:11:53,629 --> 00:11:58,219 into it. So the first thing we'll do is, we will cast a circle, an energy circle, 121 00:12:01,262 --> 00:12:03,682 [Dana] Now that we have our four quarters, and our directions, 122 00:12:03,681 --> 00:12:08,101 we're just gonna use the rest of the candles just to create an outline 123 00:12:08,436 --> 00:12:15,896 for us. And again that's just so that no one, accidentally steps 124 00:12:15,901 --> 00:12:17,531 outside of the circle. 125 00:12:19,613 --> 00:12:20,913 [Dana] This is exhausting. 126 00:12:21,532 --> 00:12:27,162 This is not a normal environment to do something like this. So it's like, 127 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,747 you lose your energy so fast. 128 00:12:29,749 --> 00:12:33,169 [Dana] So the other thought behind the circle, is on top of the fact that 129 00:12:33,169 --> 00:12:38,169 you're creating a safe space where you can raise and put your intention out. 130 00:12:38,174 --> 00:12:42,094 It's also a protective space, because when you practice magic there are 131 00:12:42,094 --> 00:12:46,274 certain types of energies and different types of spirits that might be... 132 00:12:46,265 --> 00:12:49,055 "what’s going on over there?" They'd be curious about it, so they can be drawn 133 00:12:49,059 --> 00:12:53,689 to that space. So the idea again is this circle is protective, not only for you, 134 00:12:53,689 --> 00:12:58,069 but for them. It keeps your space as contained as possible while you're 135 00:12:58,068 --> 00:13:01,908 practicing magic because in a lot of cases, in the moment of practicing 136 00:13:01,906 --> 00:13:05,526 magic, you could be very vulnerable because you're meditating, or you're 137 00:13:05,534 --> 00:13:08,834 focusing on one thing specifically and you're not always aware of what's 138 00:13:08,829 --> 00:13:11,869 happening around you. So again, we're going to create that circular 139 00:13:11,874 --> 00:13:13,754 sacred space. 140 00:13:15,127 --> 00:13:19,127 [Dana] So now that we have our circle outlined, once we light them, 141 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:24,350 you can visualize them like a perimeter, basically. 142 00:13:25,387 --> 00:13:30,477 [Dana] The fourth step is we're gonna dedicate the cave for that time period, 143 00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:34,056 of night, to Pan. We're going to create an altar space for Pan. 144 00:13:34,855 --> 00:13:38,565 This whole rock's gonna be the altar space, so I just wanna know 145 00:13:38,567 --> 00:13:41,527 which directions to put our four quarters. 146 00:13:42,029 --> 00:13:44,779 [Dana] And for that we're going to need a handful of different things, 147 00:13:44,782 --> 00:13:49,872 and I have all of them. Oak, grains, seashells, wine, honey, grapes, 148 00:13:49,870 --> 00:13:53,580 obsidian, carnelian, cakes, those types of things. 149 00:13:53,582 --> 00:13:56,382 And they're all going to go on some sort of an altar space 150 00:13:56,377 --> 00:13:59,297 that'll be in the center of the ritual space. 151 00:14:04,718 --> 00:14:07,428 [Dana] So the next step is, we're going to, every tool that we use 152 00:14:07,429 --> 00:14:10,809 for the ritual we're gonna dress with cinnamon and Vetiver oil 153 00:14:10,808 --> 00:14:13,848 and those are two oils that have often been associated with the Green Man, 154 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:18,153 with Pan, and that's going to basically turn everything that we use in the 155 00:14:18,148 --> 00:14:22,398 ritual space into ritual tools. So anything that we bring in with us, 156 00:14:22,403 --> 00:14:26,953 just a little dab of those oils basically anoints it so that it deserves to be 157 00:14:26,949 --> 00:14:29,909 in ritual space. [Greg] Should we anoint the camera? 158 00:14:29,910 --> 00:14:33,040 [Dana] Yeah, if we can, just everything that we bring in with us, just a 159 00:14:33,038 --> 00:14:36,288 little drop of it, even just a tiny little bit, and it's basically 160 00:14:36,292 --> 00:14:40,462 showing that we are utilizing these tools for ritual purposes. 161 00:14:40,921 --> 00:14:46,301 We're gonna burn mug wort. Mug wort is a herb that is used to open the 162 00:14:46,302 --> 00:14:50,472 third eye. So it's just gonna help like, raise our vibration and help us kinda 163 00:14:50,472 --> 00:14:54,602 align with this type of energy. And, I'm going to basically just 164 00:14:54,602 --> 00:14:59,402 walk the perimeter, and as I do that, I'm just going to be visualizing 165 00:14:59,398 --> 00:15:02,438 a bubble above us, and a bubble below us, and it's basically just 166 00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:04,953 going to kind of be containing us. 167 00:15:05,779 --> 00:15:09,529 So there's just a really simple little chant that I'm gonna do as I go. 168 00:15:09,533 --> 00:15:13,043 That's just sort of a centering chant. It's just meant to kind of draw in 169 00:15:13,037 --> 00:15:16,667 the elements and to attune us with the elements. 170 00:15:20,002 --> 00:15:21,672 Earth is my body. 171 00:15:25,299 --> 00:15:26,719 Air is my breath. 172 00:15:29,136 --> 00:15:31,056 Fire is my spirit. 173 00:15:32,806 --> 00:15:34,386 Water is my blood. 174 00:15:35,601 --> 00:15:37,061 Earth is my body. 175 00:15:40,272 --> 00:15:41,822 Air is my breath. 176 00:15:45,319 --> 00:15:47,069 Fire is my spirit. 177 00:15:50,407 --> 00:15:51,947 Water is my blood. 178 00:15:54,453 --> 00:15:56,003 Earth is my body. 179 00:15:57,623 --> 00:15:58,873 Air is my breath... 180 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:03,707 [Greg] I think one of the best ways to think about this too, is, and I was 181 00:16:03,712 --> 00:16:08,092 talking about this outside, think of Pan as one of the ultraterrestrials. 182 00:16:08,092 --> 00:16:11,472 We're trying to have a conversation with one of the ultraterrestrials. 183 00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:13,890 He's just another face of them. 184 00:16:13,889 --> 00:16:17,979 Crowley communed with Pan before he tried to talk to Aiwass 185 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:24,317 or any of the higher entities. So, he's just maybe the boss. 186 00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:27,856 So we're just talking' to him, we're talking to upper management, 187 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:30,447 to try and see if we can have a conversation with him and maybe 188 00:16:30,447 --> 00:16:34,537 whoever else might pop in. And one of the traits of Pan, in all of the 189 00:16:34,535 --> 00:16:39,535 literature you read, is that when he's called, he typically shows up. 190 00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:42,375 [Dana] Air is my breath. 191 00:16:43,585 --> 00:16:45,375 Fire is my spirit. 192 00:16:46,380 --> 00:16:48,220 Water is my blood. 193 00:16:49,883 --> 00:16:53,853 Ok... Done! [Dana takes a deep breath] 194 00:16:54,847 --> 00:16:59,267 [Out of breath] So that's... our circle cast 195 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:04,114 The next step is called Calling the Quarters. 196 00:17:04,356 --> 00:17:08,526 And it's basically inviting the four elements, and the four directions, 197 00:17:08,527 --> 00:17:12,987 to join us in magic and in our, whatever it is that we're doing. 198 00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:16,791 [Dana] So traditionally, it's an invitation to the elements, 199 00:17:16,785 --> 00:17:20,825 and the elemental spirits, to join our magic. 200 00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:22,540 [whispers] Ok 201 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,840 [Dana] What WAS that? 202 00:17:47,524 --> 00:17:49,234 [Greg chuckles quietly] 203 00:17:51,278 --> 00:17:55,318 [Dana] The next step is something that is often referred to as 204 00:17:55,324 --> 00:17:59,954 calling the quarters, or the corners, it just depends on who you're talking to, 205 00:17:59,953 --> 00:18:04,503 and it's the idea that we're going to dedicate one, or four sections of 206 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:07,130 our circle to each one of the elements. 207 00:18:07,127 --> 00:18:11,417 On the altar, we have four directions. Each one of the bowls represents 208 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:13,473 each one of the four elements. 209 00:18:13,884 --> 00:18:15,844 So in earth, we have salt. 210 00:18:16,762 --> 00:18:19,062 In air, we have incense. 211 00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:22,601 In fire, we have a candle. 212 00:18:22,851 --> 00:18:27,521 And in the direction of water, we have water from the little pond underneath. 213 00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:31,323 So it's basically, each one of them is meant to represent 214 00:18:31,318 --> 00:18:32,988 each one of the elements. 215 00:18:33,612 --> 00:18:39,792 And, it basically gives them a place in our space to reside. 216 00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:42,955 So you're giving them like a home to reside in the space. 217 00:18:58,470 --> 00:19:02,100 [Dana] There's a set chant that basically I'll do at that point 218 00:19:02,099 --> 00:19:06,229 to invite those specific elements to our circle. 219 00:19:07,604 --> 00:19:15,454 I call upon the element of earth, to join us, in our magic circle, 220 00:19:16,989 --> 00:19:19,119 to bless our circle, 221 00:19:22,327 --> 00:19:33,797 I call upon, the element of air, to bless our magical working. 222 00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:46,643 I call upon, the element of fire, to ignite our magic. 223 00:19:51,481 --> 00:20:01,411 And I call upon the element of water, to bring emotion, to our space. 224 00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:09,964 [Lighter snicks] 225 00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:16,550 [Whispers] Okay. 226 00:20:16,548 --> 00:20:21,928 So the eleventh step will be a welcoming to Pan to join us, or an invocation. 227 00:20:21,929 --> 00:20:24,679 And we can all do it together, I can do it, it's completely 228 00:20:24,681 --> 00:20:26,931 up to everybody and how we feel in the moment. 229 00:20:26,934 --> 00:20:32,114 What I was thinking is, for the invocation, 230 00:20:32,105 --> 00:20:37,145 I was thinking about it a lot, actually over the past couple of days. 231 00:20:37,152 --> 00:20:39,202 And I uh... 232 00:20:39,196 --> 00:20:43,616 I think... I kind of want Greg to do it. 233 00:20:43,617 --> 00:20:46,037 I want him to lead us in it. 234 00:20:46,036 --> 00:20:47,616 [Greg] Waaait a minute. 235 00:20:47,621 --> 00:20:51,331 -Because I feel like I spent the past couple days like reaching out 236 00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:54,093 to Pan and I didn't really feel him connecting much with me. 237 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:57,416 And I don't know if that's not because 238 00:20:57,422 --> 00:21:00,932 I wasn't the person to bring that to this space? 239 00:21:00,926 --> 00:21:04,886 So I thought it would be nice if you led us 240 00:21:04,888 --> 00:21:07,218 in the invocation or in the invitation 241 00:21:07,224 --> 00:21:09,774 if you're comfortable with it, if you're not comfortable with it 242 00:21:09,768 --> 00:21:11,848 you don't have to do it. I don't mean to put you on the spot, 243 00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:14,153 I just, I've been thinking about it and I feel like if 244 00:21:14,147 --> 00:21:16,317 he's going to answer to any one of us it's probably 245 00:21:16,316 --> 00:21:17,816 going to be you since you since you were the one 246 00:21:17,818 --> 00:21:19,028 who sort of 247 00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:21,946 brought him to us. 248 00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:24,657 As long as you're comfortable with it. 249 00:21:25,325 --> 00:21:26,365 You don't have to do it. 250 00:21:26,368 --> 00:21:29,288 - No, I'll do it... - Okay. 251 00:21:29,454 --> 00:21:32,294 [Greg] I'd never done an invocation before. 252 00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:35,211 I practice magic, here and there. 253 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:40,510 But it's very... it's probably what people would consider chaos magic. 254 00:21:40,507 --> 00:21:43,547 It's very eclectic, it's things from here and there 255 00:21:43,552 --> 00:21:45,432 that I feel comfortable doing. 256 00:21:46,513 --> 00:21:49,643 I've never... I've never performed ritual magic. 257 00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:51,231 I've never done an invocation. 258 00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:54,444 I'm not a very religious person anymore. I was raised 259 00:21:54,438 --> 00:21:56,728 very religious. 260 00:21:57,733 --> 00:22:02,493 But as anyone who was raised very religious, 261 00:22:02,487 --> 00:22:07,237 they know that something like that was a big deal. 262 00:22:08,285 --> 00:22:11,575 And uh I had to think about it. She said listen if you don't want to 263 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:14,290 do this you don't have to. I just think that 264 00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:17,995 you're the one who was doing all this research on Pan, 265 00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:22,843 you are the one that feels this connection so strongly, 266 00:22:25,093 --> 00:22:27,933 I think it makes sense that you do the invocation. 267 00:22:29,973 --> 00:22:31,933 So I.. I did. 268 00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:36,193 Before I say it, I thought about it for a long time and I wanted 269 00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:38,438 it to be something that made sense for us, 270 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,360 made sense for our case, but also made sense for Pan, sort of 271 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:45,531 being a bit of a forgotten god in a lot of ways. 272 00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:48,780 So it's: I honor thee [Greg repeats] 273 00:22:48,784 --> 00:22:51,544 and thy ancient tune [Greg repeats] 274 00:22:51,536 --> 00:22:54,496 by the blessed altar [Greg repeats] 275 00:22:54,498 --> 00:22:56,578 forgotten [Greg repeats] 276 00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:58,253 and lone. [Greg repeats] 277 00:22:58,251 --> 00:22:58,791 Yeah. 278 00:22:58,794 --> 00:23:00,884 I honor thee [Greg repeats] 279 00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:03,169 and thy ancient tune [Greg repeats] 280 00:23:03,173 --> 00:23:05,593 by the blessed altar [Greg repeats] 281 00:23:05,592 --> 00:23:08,892 forgotten and lone. [Greg repeats] 282 00:23:12,682 --> 00:23:14,392 [Greg sighs] Hold on. 283 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:19,900 ♪ atmospheric synth ♪ 284 00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:23,490 I honor thee 285 00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:25,241 and thy blessed tune 286 00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:27,778 at the ancient altar, 287 00:23:28,281 --> 00:23:30,531 forgotten and lone. 288 00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:33,454 I honor thee 289 00:23:33,787 --> 00:23:35,287 and thy blessed tune 290 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:40,130 at the ancient altar, forgotten and lone. 291 00:23:43,797 --> 00:23:45,377 I honor thee 292 00:23:45,882 --> 00:23:47,302 and thy ancient tune 293 00:23:48,510 --> 00:23:49,930 by the blessed altar, 294 00:23:50,387 --> 00:23:51,677 forgotten 295 00:23:52,347 --> 00:23:53,137 and lone. 296 00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:57,274 [louder] We honor thee, 297 00:23:58,061 --> 00:23:59,481 and thy blessed tune 298 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:01,570 at the ancient altar 299 00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:03,605 forgotten and lone. 300 00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:06,361 Blessed be Pan 301 00:24:06,611 --> 00:24:08,161 Io Pan 302 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:10,410 we invoke thee! 303 00:24:12,659 --> 00:24:14,199 We honor thee 304 00:24:14,202 --> 00:24:15,952 and thy blessed tune 305 00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:19,785 by the ancient altar, forgotten and lone. 306 00:24:21,168 --> 00:24:22,748 We honor thee! 307 00:24:23,211 --> 00:24:25,011 and thy blessed tune! 308 00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:28,762 at the ancient altar, forgotten and lone! 309 00:24:29,551 --> 00:24:31,221 Blessed be Pan! 310 00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:33,470 Io Pan! 311 00:24:34,181 --> 00:24:35,101 Io Pan! 312 00:24:35,807 --> 00:24:38,477 Io Pan, we invoke thee! 313 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:42,609 We invoke thee! 314 00:24:45,108 --> 00:24:46,568 We honor thee! 315 00:24:47,569 --> 00:24:49,149 And thy blessed tune! 316 00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:53,155 At the ancient altar forgotten and lone! 317 00:24:55,076 --> 00:24:59,496 We honor thee! And thy blessed tune! 318 00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:03,337 At the ancient altar! Forgotten and lone! 319 00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:05,749 Blessed be Pan! 320 00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:08,091 Io Pan! 321 00:25:08,632 --> 00:25:11,342 Io Pan, we invoke thee! 322 00:25:21,478 --> 00:25:25,318 ♪ eerie music fades out ♪ 323 00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:35,696 [Dana] I just felt like a weird, intense 324 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:38,870 energy just creep in real fast. 325 00:25:41,081 --> 00:25:43,921 I wasn't expecting it at all it just went "wheeew" [wind noise] 326 00:25:43,917 --> 00:25:45,917 [Connor] From that direction? - Yeah. 327 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:46,919 [Tyler] I feel really chilled. 328 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,960 - Yeah. Is that where the cold air came from? 329 00:25:48,964 --> 00:25:50,514 - I don't know, I feel really cold. 330 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:53,220 A lot colder than it's been. 331 00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:56,045 [Dana] It was like, [wind noise] 332 00:26:29,254 --> 00:26:30,674 [Dana] Are you ok? 333 00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:32,802 - Yeah, I'm just... stirred up. 334 00:26:34,259 --> 00:26:37,009 [Greg] It was... uhh 335 00:26:37,012 --> 00:26:38,512 it was very weird. 336 00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:44,936 I don't know, I still... I've thought about it a lot since we did it. 337 00:26:45,812 --> 00:26:48,692 I don't know, I don't know how to... um. 338 00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:55,032 it was really emotional for me to do that. 339 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,120 it was uh 340 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:02,117 I don't know, it seems silly to say but I felt it happen. 341 00:27:02,495 --> 00:27:05,115 Whatever "it" was, I felt it happen. 342 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:09,884 And it was there and I felt it and I was getting really emotional about it, 343 00:27:10,253 --> 00:27:12,803 um, I'm getting emotional thinking about it now. 344 00:27:13,923 --> 00:27:15,053 It was um 345 00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:17,180 it was really impactful. 346 00:27:17,802 --> 00:27:18,802 I could feel 347 00:27:19,804 --> 00:27:23,814 I don't know, I was shaking. I was literally shaking. 348 00:27:24,517 --> 00:27:26,017 It was just uhh 349 00:27:27,479 --> 00:27:28,479 really weird. 350 00:27:30,398 --> 00:27:33,778 There was a strange effect that began to occur 351 00:27:33,777 --> 00:27:36,697 inside of that cave. And it was experienced by me, 352 00:27:37,072 --> 00:27:40,832 and Connor, and I believe Karl, all of us collectively 353 00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:43,445 inside of this bubble. 354 00:27:44,204 --> 00:27:47,334 The temperature started to greatly decrease, I started to get chills 355 00:27:47,332 --> 00:27:49,792 as this invocation started kicking in. 356 00:27:50,418 --> 00:27:53,508 And it felt like something was passing through. 357 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,679 [Greg] Do you think we should play the tones now? 358 00:27:57,676 --> 00:28:00,256 [Dana] Yes, oh, that's what we should do! Yes. 359 00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:03,637 - We'll do that first? - Yeah. 360 00:28:06,893 --> 00:28:08,063 - Let's do this here. 361 00:28:08,061 --> 00:28:10,311 [Dana] Oh my god, I can't believe we're about to do this. 362 00:28:10,313 --> 00:28:11,063 - I know 363 00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:14,111 I mean, it's interesting that we actually are being 364 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:19,159 told to make these tones, and now we are going into a cave. 365 00:28:19,906 --> 00:28:25,866 And here's an entire academic breakdown 366 00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:28,250 of why those noises are important. 367 00:28:28,456 --> 00:28:34,046 So basically, what this paper by Nektarios-Petros Yioutsos 368 00:28:34,045 --> 00:28:37,295 is saying is that 369 00:28:37,298 --> 00:28:41,008 we need to go into these caves and we need to clap, 370 00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:43,050 we need to make noise, we need to drink, 371 00:28:43,054 --> 00:28:47,394 we need to actually make this cave into a giant instrument 372 00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:50,852 for the ritual. That's exactly how these people used to use it. 373 00:28:51,229 --> 00:28:54,069 Uh so we need to play the tones, 374 00:28:54,065 --> 00:28:55,935 probably as Pan pipes 375 00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:57,242 and see what happens. 376 00:28:57,694 --> 00:29:02,574 We think what you heard was a C, an A, and an F. 377 00:29:03,908 --> 00:29:05,578 [singular piano notes ring out] 378 00:29:06,703 --> 00:29:09,293 [Dana] Bing, bing, bing. [Tyler] Bing, bing, bing. 379 00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:12,833 I enjoy this. [Dana] Again! 380 00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:14,674 [Greg and Tyler make three bing noises] 381 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,510 [Dana] You got a handle on it 382 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:18,839 play those sounds. 383 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,010 When I saw Dana in person next, I sat down with her 384 00:29:23,178 --> 00:29:27,098 with a little piano on a computer, and 385 00:29:27,098 --> 00:29:29,518 gave her my idea, is it, 386 00:29:29,517 --> 00:29:32,097 I thought it was maybe C, A, F. 387 00:29:32,103 --> 00:29:34,903 [Dana] It was the first one it wasn't the second one. 388 00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:37,898 [Connor] And so I was playing those notes, 389 00:29:37,901 --> 00:29:40,701 played different versions of them up and down the keys until 390 00:29:40,695 --> 00:29:43,695 she found ones that matched what she heard 391 00:29:43,698 --> 00:29:45,658 over the box. 392 00:29:46,201 --> 00:29:47,661 [playing notes on piano] 393 00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:50,871 Yeah. That sounds like, it sounds like it. 394 00:29:51,247 --> 00:29:56,537 [three piano notes -over speaker in cave - C, A, F] 395 00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:02,177 [Connor] I turned it. 396 00:30:09,307 --> 00:30:14,187 [piano notes continue, begin to play at the same time] 397 00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:22,448 ♪ ♪ ♪ 398 00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:39,883 [notes being played on a flute, singularly then together] 399 00:30:57,188 --> 00:30:59,358 ♪ ♪ ♪ 400 00:31:04,612 --> 00:31:07,452 [Dana] The tones, when I heard them in the cave they made 401 00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:09,078 me really emotional. 402 00:31:09,492 --> 00:31:12,252 I wasn't expecting to feel that way, it actually 403 00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:13,655 surprised me. 404 00:31:13,663 --> 00:31:15,043 And it felt... 405 00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:18,128 it felt almost sad but it... 406 00:31:18,126 --> 00:31:23,506 in the moment I realized that it felt familiar to me. 407 00:31:23,506 --> 00:31:28,336 As if the tones, the energy of the tones felt... like 408 00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:31,314 this entire experience has felt. 409 00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:35,636 It's sort of beautiful, and very frustrating, and 410 00:31:35,643 --> 00:31:39,773 embodies a lot of different complexities. 411 00:31:40,982 --> 00:31:43,692 [Greg] The tones were weird, they made me sick. 412 00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:45,823 The tones made me feel sick and I don't think I was 413 00:31:45,820 --> 00:31:47,280 the only one that felt that way. 414 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,820 Um, they were... 415 00:31:51,826 --> 00:31:55,196 strange and grating, almost. 416 00:31:56,122 --> 00:31:58,002 [tones resonating over speaker] 417 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,920 [Karl] I hated the tones. They made me 418 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:07,221 so anxious. So much anxiety, I wanted to crawl out of my skin. 419 00:32:07,216 --> 00:32:09,046 I don't know why. 420 00:32:10,845 --> 00:32:16,765 It just... all I wanted was for them to be off. For it to be over. 421 00:32:18,227 --> 00:32:20,397 I'm kinda dizzy. 422 00:32:20,396 --> 00:32:23,896 - I know I was just going to say I feel really... 423 00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:26,360 like I feel like I'm vibrating. 424 00:32:29,697 --> 00:32:32,697 - I feel kinda wobbly. - Me too. 425 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:35,540 [Dana] Yeah I feel a little... nauseous. 426 00:32:35,536 --> 00:32:37,496 - A little sick to my stomach, yeah. 427 00:32:39,582 --> 00:32:43,292 [Connor] Made me feel maybe a little bit nauseous, a little bit uneasy. 428 00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:47,006 And a lot of people were just saying that they wanted the tones to 429 00:32:47,006 --> 00:32:47,756 be turned off, so 430 00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:51,257 after it ran through the cycle for about half an hour we 431 00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:53,680 let the tones kind of fade away. 432 00:32:55,556 --> 00:32:57,766 [Dana] Uf, it makes me feel nauseous. 433 00:32:57,767 --> 00:32:58,767 - We could do something else. 434 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,239 [group mumbling while Greg walks around] 435 00:33:09,862 --> 00:33:11,862 ♪ "Wildnisgeist" By Timothy Renner 436 00:33:16,911 --> 00:33:19,001 [Dana] So once we finished with that, 437 00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:23,837 I have a section here that's basically breaking bread. 438 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:27,505 So we're going to drink wine, 439 00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:31,585 we're going to eat, we're going to break bread with Pan 440 00:33:31,592 --> 00:33:33,262 basically. And make merry with Pan. 441 00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:35,301 Because he loves that kind of stuff. So, 442 00:33:35,304 --> 00:33:38,564 in that moment it's a really wonderful way too because 443 00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:42,558 one of the ways to kind of begin to wind down your magic 444 00:33:42,562 --> 00:33:46,942 is to actually eat food, because eating food is incredibly grounding. 445 00:33:46,941 --> 00:33:51,401 So ingesting food, ingesting wine, will begin to ground you 446 00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:53,994 back down into the waking reality. 447 00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:57,580 And it's a really nice way to do that, and it's also another huge sign of 448 00:33:57,577 --> 00:33:59,827 respect and just a lovely way to kind of 449 00:33:59,829 --> 00:34:01,499 commune with those types of energies. 450 00:34:02,832 --> 00:34:06,002 [Dana] After the invocation, we played the tones, 451 00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:09,712 and we tried to engage with 452 00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:12,843 whatever was there as much as we could. 453 00:34:12,842 --> 00:34:17,432 And I remember getting really frustrated. And 454 00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:19,930 feeling almost... 455 00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:23,939 really pissed off because I remember thinking, like 456 00:34:23,936 --> 00:34:26,106 "we're doing all the things we're supposed to be doing. 457 00:34:26,105 --> 00:34:27,565 How come nothing is really happening? 458 00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:29,065 Why isn't anything happening?" 459 00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:31,897 - I'm just frustrated. - Why? 460 00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:34,613 - I don't know. - Why? 461 00:34:34,947 --> 00:34:37,657 Just the general feeling of frustration. 462 00:34:39,327 --> 00:34:41,867 [Tyler] And the longer we were in that space, 463 00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:47,093 the more I wanted to crawl out of my skin. 464 00:34:48,795 --> 00:34:52,295 I don't know, there's just something that feels "off." 465 00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:55,719 I get the frustration. 466 00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:59,934 that's being felt I just feel like maybe something is off. 467 00:35:00,431 --> 00:35:04,061 I wanted to crawl out of my skin and I had this realization 468 00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:05,770 in my own mind. 469 00:35:06,312 --> 00:35:08,562 We talk about initiation. 470 00:35:08,564 --> 00:35:13,494 And we talk about getting through things and pushing through 471 00:35:13,486 --> 00:35:15,446 and sticking to the path. 472 00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:18,317 I had this thought that maybe 473 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,290 that frustration was a part of this. 474 00:35:22,286 --> 00:35:23,826 Is this part of it? 475 00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:27,670 Like, is this what we have to do before we leave, is like 476 00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:30,247 find some way to turn this around? 477 00:35:30,878 --> 00:35:35,298 How do we get in a better headspace? 478 00:35:36,592 --> 00:35:39,102 Getting through that. [Dana] Ah. 479 00:35:39,095 --> 00:35:41,555 We've got to get through it. - Get through this feeling. 480 00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:42,516 - Yeah 481 00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,305 - Get through this feeling - Because if we don't get through it 482 00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:45,688 we're just going to be frustrated always. 483 00:35:45,685 --> 00:35:50,105 - Yeah. Then you get stuck. I don't want to get stuck like this. 484 00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:50,896 - No, nope. 485 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:56,316 [snaps] - Bingo. [Dana and Connor chuckle] 486 00:35:56,779 --> 00:35:58,739 - We have a choice! 487 00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:03,450 We're all here. That's amazing, isn't it? 488 00:36:03,452 --> 00:36:05,792 [Greg] I'm having a fuckin blast - We've gone this far. 489 00:36:05,788 --> 00:36:07,868 Look at this place. 490 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:12,630 Let's actually celebrate something, 491 00:36:14,046 --> 00:36:15,376 this is still important. 492 00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:17,631 [Dana] Celebrate activity! - Let's celebrate activity 493 00:36:17,633 --> 00:36:18,843 [Connor] Celebrate activity! 494 00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:21,143 So let's get out of this headspace and be happy. 495 00:36:21,137 --> 00:36:23,427 This is an amazing thing. 496 00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:26,603 ♪ Synth-style Hellier theme ♪ 497 00:36:26,601 --> 00:36:27,561 Connor? 498 00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:30,766 [Connor laughs] It's good wine. 499 00:36:30,771 --> 00:36:32,731 - That's what I mean, we've got to laugh! 500 00:36:34,066 --> 00:36:37,066 [Greg] Let's go deeper in the cave [Tyler] Let's go deeper in the cave! 501 00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:40,622 [Greg] That's what I was thinking, let's go deeper in the cave. 502 00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:44,078 [Dana] You're right, Tyler. 503 00:36:44,076 --> 00:36:47,366 -We have the choice. I feel fine. 504 00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:48,581 [Connor] Yeah 505 00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:53,171 [Dana] So after we do that, I will thank and farewell the quarters 506 00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:56,549 so we'll release the four quarters that we've invited to the circle, 507 00:36:56,839 --> 00:37:00,259 Let's say thank you, to all of the creatures, 508 00:37:00,259 --> 00:37:03,759 all of the living creatures, the toads and the spiders and 509 00:37:03,763 --> 00:37:05,853 everything else that was here with us. 510 00:37:06,432 --> 00:37:09,062 Say thank you to the spirits who were here with us, 511 00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:11,350 the watchtowers who were here with us, 512 00:37:11,354 --> 00:37:14,154 the elements that were here with us, 513 00:37:14,148 --> 00:37:17,568 the archetypes that were here with us, 514 00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:20,778 the energies that were here with us, 515 00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:22,910 and the gods that were here with us. 516 00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:25,657 And say thank you, and farewell, 517 00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:29,910 and merry meet, and merry part, and merry meet again. 518 00:37:30,873 --> 00:37:33,083 And then we'll ground the circle, 519 00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:35,504 so we basically will visualize the circle kind of dissipating 520 00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:37,463 and going back down into the earth. 521 00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:41,010 And then at the very end when we're done with everything, 522 00:37:41,008 --> 00:37:43,548 I think we can take a lot of the things that we were going to 523 00:37:43,552 --> 00:37:46,722 bring with us that we've used in that ritual space 524 00:37:46,722 --> 00:37:50,602 and create what would essentially be like a permanent altar for Pan 525 00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:53,601 in that cave and just let it be there. 526 00:37:53,604 --> 00:37:56,484 Obviously it won't be upkept but that's fine, because I think it's 527 00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:59,612 the intention of saying "this space was dedicated to you for a night, 528 00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:02,070 and we're going to leave this here as a memory of that dedication, 529 00:38:02,071 --> 00:38:05,321 so if you ever want to come back again, that energy will still be there." 530 00:38:06,158 --> 00:38:07,868 ♪ synth bells ring out 531 00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:12,711 [Greg] He talks about how successful transitions require 532 00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:15,377 ego death and rebirth. 533 00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:18,496 And he literally basically says, he lays out that heroism 534 00:38:18,504 --> 00:38:21,594 is bullshit, and those things don't lead to 535 00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:23,130 actual rebirth. 536 00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:27,809 Optimal frustration is what you need for a good 537 00:38:27,805 --> 00:38:28,755 [Tyler laughing] 538 00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:31,774 for a good, liminal experience. 539 00:38:31,767 --> 00:38:35,477 For a good ritual. Optimal frustration. 540 00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:37,439 [Tyler, laughing] I was going to say, isn't that Greg Newkirk? 541 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,860 [Laughing] Optimal frustration! 542 00:38:40,651 --> 00:38:43,611 [Greg] It's constant start and stop, constant dead end. 543 00:38:43,612 --> 00:38:48,412 I think now I realize that this stuff is leading to something bigger 544 00:38:48,409 --> 00:38:51,659 and bigger than all of us and it's something worth doing, but 545 00:38:51,662 --> 00:38:54,922 at the time it sometimes didn't really feel like it. 546 00:38:56,917 --> 00:39:00,297 Liminal states have what he calls 547 00:39:00,296 --> 00:39:03,756 "communitas." It's a social experience that you only get 548 00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:05,298 in liminal states. 549 00:39:05,301 --> 00:39:09,641 I feel like our experience with Hellier, a lot of us didn't really know 550 00:39:09,638 --> 00:39:11,058 each other very well. 551 00:39:11,057 --> 00:39:13,347 But going through that experience and going through what we're 552 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:16,271 doing now I think we have that sense of communitas. 553 00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:20,480 He gives the New York blackouts as an example of that. 554 00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:24,283 Where everything goes out, everybody is sharing that experience, 555 00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:26,948 and they all kinda go "we're in this together, it's an experience that 556 00:39:26,947 --> 00:39:29,117 nobody else will be able to experience along with us," 557 00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:31,446 it's something that bonds a group together. 558 00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:34,162 We're literally going through that type of thing right now. 559 00:39:34,163 --> 00:39:36,333 That's fascinating to me. 560 00:39:36,332 --> 00:39:39,502 We're hitting all the steps of a ritual initiation. 561 00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:45,758 I slowly get the picture, that sometimes paranormal 562 00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:49,508 experiences are forced initiatory experiences. 563 00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:54,482 When things start happening around people that are in a chronic liminal state 564 00:39:54,475 --> 00:39:58,015 they experience poltergeists, they experience all kind of weird stuff, 565 00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:00,190 it's trying to force an initiatory experience. 566 00:40:00,189 --> 00:40:02,069 And maybe that's part of "Hellier." 567 00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:05,526 Maybe there's some sort of a forced initiation that's happening. 568 00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:09,118 For what purpose? For what illumination? I don't really know. 569 00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:13,543 I am now more sure than I was ever before, that 570 00:40:13,536 --> 00:40:16,246 we are doing some sort of an initiation. 571 00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:20,174 Who our steward is? 572 00:40:20,167 --> 00:40:22,877 That's the interesting part. Don't know. 573 00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:26,011 [ ♪ Upbeat music fades out ♪ ] 574 00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:31,135 As Greg said, it felt like something happened. 575 00:40:31,178 --> 00:40:32,558 But it seems to me like 576 00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:36,679 that something was part of a larger process. 577 00:40:36,684 --> 00:40:39,194 And maybe that's why we haven't results yet 578 00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:41,806 is because we're still in the middle of the ritual. 579 00:40:42,648 --> 00:40:44,728 It might be bigger than us. 580 00:40:44,733 --> 00:40:49,413 Bigger than just that cave that night. It might be this project itself. 581 00:40:49,947 --> 00:40:52,987 The results of the ritual might not even happen to us, 582 00:40:52,992 --> 00:40:56,872 I keep thinking about this idea that they might happen to the audience at home 583 00:40:56,871 --> 00:41:00,081 in watching this as part of the ritual. 584 00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:06,086 And the implications to that idea, 585 00:41:06,088 --> 00:41:08,128 of being part of a bigger ritual, 586 00:41:09,258 --> 00:41:12,428 were only furthered 587 00:41:14,221 --> 00:41:16,521 when we went to Detroit 588 00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:18,562 to hear from Connor 589 00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:21,193 about a breakthrough that he made. 590 00:41:28,527 --> 00:41:36,537 [Highway traffic in distance] 591 00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:49,217 ♪ Thoughtful music buildup ♪ 592 00:41:58,682 --> 00:42:02,232 It always irked me, and sat in the back of my mind, 593 00:42:02,228 --> 00:42:05,188 that we weren't using these numbers correctly. 594 00:42:05,439 --> 00:42:09,069 And so in order to try to find the answer to the numbers that 595 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:11,278 Terry was telling us to use, 596 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:16,779 I decided to play with them in different contexts. 597 00:42:16,784 --> 00:42:19,454 And my girlfriend stepped in, 598 00:42:19,453 --> 00:42:21,793 and we started to play with the numbers mathematically 599 00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:23,079 one night. 600 00:42:23,374 --> 00:42:26,544 And as we're doing that, we start to notice a pattern. 601 00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,504 Over and over again. 602 00:42:28,504 --> 00:42:31,724 With different applications mathematically to this 603 00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:33,175 series of numbers. 604 00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:36,759 I didn't know what this pattern meant, and I didn't have 605 00:42:36,762 --> 00:42:38,182 context for it. 606 00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:42,136 So, for context, I reached out for some help 607 00:42:42,142 --> 00:42:43,812 from an old friend. 608 00:42:44,228 --> 00:42:47,768 I understand that it's a strange car ride to come up here from 609 00:42:47,773 --> 00:42:50,113 Cincinnati to Detroit, 610 00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:53,319 to meet with Mr. John Tenney. 611 00:42:53,737 --> 00:42:57,447 And that is because we have some information that we think 612 00:42:57,449 --> 00:43:00,789 um, is very relevant and pertinent to the case. 613 00:43:00,869 --> 00:43:03,289 We think that we have 614 00:43:03,455 --> 00:43:04,785 cracked 615 00:43:06,125 --> 00:43:07,285 the numbers. 616 00:43:08,627 --> 00:43:10,587 [Greg] I thought we'd gotten the symbolic message 617 00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:12,048 from the numbers 618 00:43:12,047 --> 00:43:16,177 which was "maybe there's something symbolic about Brown Mountain? 619 00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:21,933 Here's this balloon that says you're going in the right direction, 620 00:43:21,932 --> 00:43:25,312 um, maybe do the abduction experiment again, 621 00:43:26,103 --> 00:43:29,903 that's where I was with them. I was fine, I was happy with that. 622 00:43:29,898 --> 00:43:31,978 I've learned to be happy with that. 623 00:43:33,652 --> 00:43:34,702 So 624 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:40,910 to find out that there was another meaning to the numbers was 625 00:43:40,909 --> 00:43:42,829 a shock. 626 00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:49,594 Yeah, it was a shock and it's a whole other can of worms. 627 00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:54,841 So you're fairly convinced at this point that they're not GPS coordinates? 628 00:43:55,299 --> 00:43:57,839 -They're not GPS coordinates, they're not coordinates, no. 629 00:43:57,843 --> 00:43:59,603 -I don't think so. 630 00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:03,465 -It is very odd that they're that close to Brown Mountain, coordinate wise. 631 00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:07,144 That's potentially a very major synchronicity. 632 00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:07,984 - Yeah. 633 00:44:07,978 --> 00:44:11,268 -If they're not coordinates, then that's bizarre in itself, right? 634 00:44:11,273 --> 00:44:14,403 - Yeah, I mean that's the only reason we thought they were coordinates 635 00:44:14,401 --> 00:44:16,361 is because it just seemed the obvious solution. 636 00:44:16,362 --> 00:44:18,782 -Let's look at that second contact: 637 00:44:18,781 --> 00:44:22,661 "The ink and black are isolated still and third order M.I.A." 638 00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:27,459 Just that sentence alone, appears very directly, as Karl figured out, to be 639 00:44:27,456 --> 00:44:31,286 a reference to Indrid Cold still being here on Earth. 640 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,590 But what does that also tell us? 641 00:44:35,214 --> 00:44:39,804 It tells us that he was still in contact with Indrid Cold in 2012. 642 00:44:41,053 --> 00:44:43,143 Which is not that long ago. 643 00:44:43,138 --> 00:44:45,558 We know that he met him way back when. 644 00:44:45,557 --> 00:44:47,847 But he's still HERE he says. 645 00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:51,859 Of course we've learned that potentially Indrid Cold might have 646 00:44:51,855 --> 00:44:53,315 had something happen. 647 00:44:53,315 --> 00:44:55,775 That all said, let's look at that next sentence. 648 00:44:55,776 --> 00:44:57,566 Something that we always thought, 649 00:44:57,569 --> 00:45:00,029 and it potentially still is, but we always have thought of it 650 00:45:00,030 --> 00:45:00,990 as like a metaphor. 651 00:45:01,156 --> 00:45:04,736 "bare in mind for every door closed a wind w must be opened. 652 00:45:04,743 --> 00:45:07,043 The door is closed. The window is open. 653 00:45:07,162 --> 00:45:10,752 When you plug that sentence in to the cipher, 654 00:45:10,749 --> 00:45:13,879 the secret cipher of the UFOnauts, that he uses in the previous sentence, 655 00:45:13,877 --> 00:45:17,127 that adds up to the value of 1025. 656 00:45:17,756 --> 00:45:18,966 - As a whole sentence? 657 00:45:18,966 --> 00:45:20,506 - As a whole sentence. - Ok. 658 00:45:20,509 --> 00:45:21,799 -So you plug that entire 659 00:45:22,678 --> 00:45:25,558 bizarre sort of sentence there. 660 00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:29,057 Once you get that high in the cipher, 661 00:45:29,059 --> 00:45:32,399 there's only a few sentences that it actually lines up with in 662 00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:33,356 the "Book of the Law." 663 00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:36,611 And the sentence that it lines up with is: 664 00:45:36,608 --> 00:45:44,278 "The man and the name of thy house is 418. The end of the hiding." 665 00:45:46,201 --> 00:45:51,121 So. That may be a sort of hidden cipher value 666 00:45:51,123 --> 00:45:53,463 that was sitting right in there all along. 667 00:45:53,459 --> 00:45:56,919 But the point is we have to sort of realize 668 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,800 "oh, wait maybe there's something else there, 669 00:45:58,797 --> 00:46:00,587 maybe there's something more interesting," 670 00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:02,591 [Greg] And what was the Book of the Law sentence again? 671 00:46:02,593 --> 00:46:08,773 -"The man and the name of thy house is 418. The end of the hiding." 672 00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:13,348 Feels like an address. [Dana] Yeah. 673 00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:16,981 In addition, "I am 49 place"? 674 00:46:16,982 --> 00:46:20,992 418, 1 + 8 is 9, there's another one there too. 675 00:46:21,403 --> 00:46:24,873 So I don't know what to do with that. 676 00:46:24,865 --> 00:46:28,485 But I'm just pointing out that that's an interesting thing to note. 677 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:34,290 That's worth noting, now here comes the big bomb at the end: 678 00:46:34,291 --> 00:46:35,881 "use the numbers." 679 00:46:36,168 --> 00:46:41,168 Ok, that sentence has haunted all of us for YEARS now. [laugh] 680 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:45,049 When I got all of this a week and a half ago, 681 00:46:45,552 --> 00:46:49,772 um, like I said, I tried to look at it with fresh eyes. 682 00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:53,635 So how could, if I just gave you a number, 683 00:46:55,437 --> 00:47:01,107 and you didn't know anything about the qabalah, 684 00:47:01,109 --> 00:47:04,239 ritual magic, like, you're a ghost hunter. 685 00:47:04,238 --> 00:47:06,448 I'm going to give you something simple. 686 00:47:06,448 --> 00:47:10,828 And when I looked at it simply, thinking that way, 687 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:13,958 that's when it all seemed to come together. 688 00:47:15,749 --> 00:47:17,919 So let's look at the numbers themselves. 689 00:47:19,294 --> 00:47:20,884 The numbers are... 690 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:29,010 3-6-0-0-2-5-0-5 691 00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:35,232 8-1-9-0-6-8-4-0. 692 00:47:36,937 --> 00:47:37,937 Ok. 693 00:47:38,272 --> 00:47:42,652 It's a long set. We notice immediately that there's a lot of zeros. 694 00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:46,112 But if we don't think that they're coordinates, 695 00:47:46,113 --> 00:47:48,783 and we don't think that it's anything else that's very simple, 696 00:47:48,782 --> 00:47:52,242 the next thing to do is to apply 697 00:47:52,244 --> 00:47:53,204 math. 698 00:47:53,912 --> 00:47:57,672 And do the simplest, easy, number math that you can. 699 00:47:57,666 --> 00:48:00,376 For a 30 year old ghost hunter to figure out. 700 00:48:01,086 --> 00:48:02,456 Do a magic square. 701 00:48:04,798 --> 00:48:06,758 Just lay them out in a magic square. - Ok. 702 00:48:06,967 --> 00:48:09,467 And then start adding and subtracting. 703 00:48:10,345 --> 00:48:13,845 So all of this stuff is very similar to numerology 704 00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:17,849 where you're essentially converting letters to numbers, 705 00:48:17,853 --> 00:48:22,903 and then adding them up until you have a single digit between 1 and 9. 706 00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,781 [Connor] 3, 6, 0, 0, 707 00:48:25,777 --> 00:48:28,857 3 + 6 = 9. So there's a 9. 708 00:48:28,864 --> 00:48:32,204 2 + 5 + 0 + 5 is 12, 709 00:48:33,327 --> 00:48:35,907 1 + 2 is 3. 710 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:41,170 8 + 1 + 9 + 0 is 18, 1 + 8 is 9. 711 00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:43,958 6 + 8 + 4+ 0, 712 00:48:43,962 --> 00:48:45,592 1 + 8 is 9. 713 00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:49,679 So that's that value there, let's take the second value and then lets 714 00:48:49,676 --> 00:48:51,176 add all of these up. 715 00:48:52,387 --> 00:48:56,137 9, 18, 27... 30. 716 00:48:58,727 --> 00:49:03,227 So the single digit here would be 3 + 0 = 3. 717 00:49:03,231 --> 00:49:05,901 You do the same thing going down, 718 00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:11,320 and you end up with the values 19, 20, 13, 5. 719 00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:15,663 10 + 2 is 12, + 4 is 16, 720 00:49:15,661 --> 00:49:17,541 + 5 is 21. 721 00:49:19,206 --> 00:49:23,416 2 + 1 = 3 as well. 722 00:49:23,752 --> 00:49:25,502 So that's interesting. 723 00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:29,553 But who knows, maybe that's just the way that it happens. 724 00:49:29,549 --> 00:49:33,259 Well shoot, let's take the entire string of numbers and add them all up. 725 00:49:33,804 --> 00:49:37,724 3 6 0 0 2 5 0 5 8 1 9 0 726 00:49:37,724 --> 00:49:40,944 6 8 4 0 = 57. 727 00:49:42,020 --> 00:49:43,610 5 + 7 728 00:49:44,398 --> 00:49:45,608 [Tenney] is 12. 729 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,570 1 + 2, is 3. 730 00:49:49,569 --> 00:49:50,569 1 + 2, is 3. 731 00:49:51,321 --> 00:49:53,701 Let’s look at just half the number. 732 00:49:53,699 --> 00:49:57,869 3 + 6 + 0 + 0 +2 + 5 + 0 +5 = 21. 733 00:49:57,869 --> 00:49:59,199 2 + 1 734 00:49:59,997 --> 00:50:00,997 is 3. 735 00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:07,340 8 +1 + 9 +0 + 6 + 8 + 4 + 0 736 00:50:07,337 --> 00:50:10,167 which is the second half of the sequence, is 36, 737 00:50:10,173 --> 00:50:13,393 3 + 6... is 9. 738 00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:16,005 They always come out to 9's or 3's. - Right. 739 00:50:16,013 --> 00:50:18,563 Halves, quarters, the entire thing. 740 00:50:18,557 --> 00:50:22,347 There's a 9, there's a 9, 1 + 2 is 3, there's a 3, 741 00:50:22,352 --> 00:50:24,232 1 + 8 is 9, there's a 9. 742 00:50:24,396 --> 00:50:25,396 Ok. 743 00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:29,897 Let's take all of the prime numbers. 744 00:50:29,901 --> 00:50:34,361 And as Tenney added up all the primes of each of these individual 745 00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:36,834 they add up to 193. 746 00:50:37,701 --> 00:50:40,161 Also interesting. There's another 93. 747 00:50:40,787 --> 00:50:45,327 So, one of the first things that I wanted to do is make sure that this 748 00:50:45,333 --> 00:50:48,053 isn't just a statistical... 749 00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:50,795 something that happens every now and then with a string of numbers. 750 00:50:50,797 --> 00:50:52,627 So we ran it through, 751 00:50:52,632 --> 00:50:54,842 and my sister helped me out with this, Michelle, 752 00:50:54,843 --> 00:50:57,473 we did 50 different random number sequences, 753 00:50:57,471 --> 00:51:03,351 and only one of them came out to 9's and 4's. 754 00:51:03,351 --> 00:51:06,691 About a 2% chance that this could potentially happen. 755 00:51:06,688 --> 00:51:09,478 So what I did is I called Tenney, and I said "hey, 756 00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:12,693 you know, Chelsea and I were sitting there, we figured this out it's, 757 00:51:12,694 --> 00:51:16,824 I don't know why, but I'm seeing a lot of 9's and a lot of 3's. 758 00:51:17,365 --> 00:51:19,785 That's something that I also told Allen Greenfield. 759 00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:21,785 And what's the first thing that he said? 760 00:51:21,787 --> 00:51:26,037 93 in the cipher equals... "Hellier." 761 00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:30,250 93 shows up repeatedly, and with gusto. 762 00:51:30,253 --> 00:51:33,513 [Connor] You break down the numbers, no matter what quadrant 763 00:51:33,507 --> 00:51:37,967 you split the numbers into, they all become either 3 or 9. 764 00:51:37,969 --> 00:51:42,059 - 93. Hellier. - Which is... interesting. Yeah. 765 00:51:43,433 --> 00:51:45,603 - You are adding to the credential. 766 00:51:45,936 --> 00:51:50,226 So what we're left with, is a whole lot of 9's and 3's 767 00:51:50,482 --> 00:51:52,652 and no context with what to do with that. 768 00:51:52,901 --> 00:51:53,651 So 769 00:51:53,652 --> 00:51:57,702 at this point we're sitting there with a lot of 93's and no context. 770 00:51:57,697 --> 00:52:03,117 Well, what did Greenfield say? That 93 is something, is a number that's 771 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,160 extremely relevant to people who are into Thelema, right? 772 00:52:06,164 --> 00:52:07,124 [Greg] Thelema. 773 00:52:07,124 --> 00:52:11,674 -And he joked about it, and we kinda joke about it sometimes too, 774 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:13,170 where it's like what a weird... 775 00:52:13,171 --> 00:52:16,381 It's sort of their slogan, like summed up in a number, right? 776 00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:21,300 I mean, do you know that 93 is a significant number to Thelemites, 777 00:52:21,304 --> 00:52:23,144 which I'm not, anymore, but 778 00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:24,980 [Greg] Back then I wouldn't have, absolutely not. 779 00:52:24,975 --> 00:52:28,015 - Well there's a jargon in Thelemic circles. 780 00:52:28,019 --> 00:52:34,029 Thelemites will great each other with "93", "93", "love" and "will" 781 00:52:34,317 --> 00:52:38,987 -Crowley would actually sign his letters "93" sometimes. 782 00:52:38,989 --> 00:52:43,699 I mean it's a VERY relevant number to people who are into this kind of stuff. 783 00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:48,247 93 = Hellier, if you run it through the cipher it also comes out to 784 00:52:48,248 --> 00:52:51,748 the phrase "is a key also", which is interesting. 785 00:52:52,085 --> 00:52:56,875 Then, what happened is, we're staring at the numbers 786 00:52:56,882 --> 00:52:59,802 and you can't ignore another sequence... 787 00:53:00,969 --> 00:53:02,969 This big old' 31 here. 788 00:53:04,431 --> 00:53:06,731 31 times 3 is, 789 00:53:07,893 --> 00:53:08,893 93. 790 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:12,226 So there's another 3, there's another 93. 791 00:53:13,231 --> 00:53:16,531 31 x 3 is 93 is also something that people who 792 00:53:16,526 --> 00:53:17,936 are into Thelema have really 793 00:53:17,944 --> 00:53:19,824 sort of taken because 794 00:53:19,821 --> 00:53:23,951 "31" is a reference to "Liber 31." 795 00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:28,580 Which was written by Aleister Crowley's apprentice Frater Achad 796 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:33,710 and it's a whole other jumbled mess of these writings, right? 797 00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:38,260 When you look at "Liber 31", which was written by Achad, 798 00:53:39,424 --> 00:53:40,764 just take this book 799 00:53:40,759 --> 00:53:44,429 and look at "Liber 31," which was 800 00:53:45,347 --> 00:53:47,807 as delivered by a being called... 801 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,640 [Greg] 93... 802 00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:52,190 418. 803 00:53:52,187 --> 00:53:54,727 So there's both of those numbers again. 804 00:53:55,065 --> 00:53:56,015 - What the fuck... 805 00:53:56,024 --> 00:53:57,034 [Tyler] Holy shit! 806 00:53:57,609 --> 00:54:00,449 "The man and the name of thy house 807 00:54:00,737 --> 00:54:01,737 is 418." 808 00:54:03,448 --> 00:54:04,448 - Weird. 809 00:54:05,617 --> 00:54:08,327 [Greg] What are the odds of that...? 810 00:54:08,787 --> 00:54:09,787 [Tenney] Exactly. 811 00:54:09,788 --> 00:54:12,458 - Both of them. It's intentional. 812 00:54:12,874 --> 00:54:13,884 [Connor] Yeah. 813 00:54:13,875 --> 00:54:15,085 - Like it has to be intentional, right? 814 00:54:15,085 --> 00:54:16,085 - It certainly feels intentional. 815 00:54:16,378 --> 00:54:20,668 [Tenney] And this is something, again, about looking at something simple. 816 00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:25,179 Break away, and just say, "ok we've got these numbers 817 00:54:25,178 --> 00:54:26,348 what do we do with them?" 818 00:54:27,138 --> 00:54:28,638 Let's say you did 819 00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:32,939 or you did, one of you did run a simple number square, right? 820 00:54:32,936 --> 00:54:36,976 And you realize that 31 was important to start at. 821 00:54:37,399 --> 00:54:38,189 Right? 822 00:54:38,358 --> 00:54:42,318 So that's telling you, this book, right? 823 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,660 And then it starts giving you 3's, 3's, 3's, and 9's. 824 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,500 Right? Sometimes 93, sometimes 39. 825 00:54:50,495 --> 00:54:54,495 But it's definitely giving you 3's and 9's, right? 826 00:54:54,499 --> 00:54:57,539 If 31 is the book we're supposed to be looking at, 827 00:54:57,544 --> 00:54:59,304 then what's the 3 and the 9? 828 00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:00,666 Like why is that important? 829 00:55:00,755 --> 00:55:02,625 Well, it's the 3rd chapter. 830 00:55:03,883 --> 00:55:05,053 9th verse. 831 00:55:05,677 --> 00:55:07,927 So you look at the 3rd chapter and the 9th verse, 832 00:55:07,929 --> 00:55:08,929 and the 9th verse is: 833 00:55:09,347 --> 00:55:12,727 "Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them! 834 00:55:12,726 --> 00:55:15,516 This is the Law of the Battle of Conquest, thus shall my 835 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,940 worship be about my secret house." 836 00:55:18,898 --> 00:55:22,688 [Connor] So, is that a phrase that's familiar to Gr... 837 00:55:22,694 --> 00:55:25,114 is that a phrase that's familiar to you at all? 838 00:55:25,113 --> 00:55:27,953 That's ok if it's not. It kind of peaked my interest, 839 00:55:27,949 --> 00:55:29,489 - It feels familiar... 840 00:55:29,492 --> 00:55:32,202 [Tyler] The "Law of the Battle of Conquest" is also a chapter 841 00:55:32,203 --> 00:55:36,173 in "Secret Cipher", the book itself, which was attributed to Wriste's writing. 842 00:55:36,166 --> 00:55:37,786 - Fuck outta here. 843 00:55:37,792 --> 00:55:40,212 - Which is literally about his interception... 844 00:55:40,211 --> 00:55:41,551 - Fuck. Outta here. 845 00:55:41,546 --> 00:55:43,166 - This is un-believable! 846 00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:46,633 [Tenney] He's not talking about the interview, he's talking about 847 00:55:46,634 --> 00:55:48,854 the chapter BEFORE the interview. 848 00:55:48,845 --> 00:55:50,215 - Yeah! The chapter, the chapter before it. 849 00:55:50,221 --> 00:55:52,101 [Connor] Right at the top of the interview, 850 00:55:52,098 --> 00:55:54,478 in front of our faces the whole time. 851 00:55:54,476 --> 00:56:00,686 93 directs you not only to these writings of Thelema, and the occult, 852 00:56:00,690 --> 00:56:03,150 and stuff that Terry was interested into, 853 00:56:03,151 --> 00:56:06,401 but literally is a reference to "The Law of the Battle of Conquest 854 00:56:06,404 --> 00:56:08,624 is the work of our friend and comrade-in-arms who goes 855 00:56:08,615 --> 00:56:10,865 by the name Terry R. Wriste." 856 00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:13,367 [Greg] Get the fuck out of here! This whole fuckin' time. 857 00:56:13,453 --> 00:56:15,373 - It was right on the top. - Right there. 858 00:56:15,872 --> 00:56:22,552 In the chapter, Terry references a particular passage 859 00:56:22,545 --> 00:56:25,715 in another book by Crowley, there's a couple of paragraphs. 860 00:56:25,715 --> 00:56:27,625 About "The Book of Lies," 861 00:56:27,634 --> 00:56:29,684 which contains 93 chapters. 862 00:56:29,844 --> 00:56:30,854 And 863 00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:38,560 these last two chapters are about Terry going out and doing a ritual 864 00:56:39,646 --> 00:56:41,306 and the ritual is called 865 00:56:42,857 --> 00:56:44,647 "The Star Sapphire." 866 00:56:46,861 --> 00:56:48,281 The blue star. 867 00:56:48,822 --> 00:56:52,872 [Greg] Well I mean, what's the context of finding it's a blocked path... 868 00:56:52,867 --> 00:56:54,947 [Connor] It's a star. - It's a star? 869 00:56:54,953 --> 00:56:56,123 - Yeah. 870 00:56:56,121 --> 00:56:59,041 - A blue star. Blue star, mountain green. 871 00:56:59,124 --> 00:57:01,544 [Connor] Oh yeah, he was doing a Sirius ritual... 872 00:57:01,543 --> 00:57:03,963 [Greenfield] Yeah, well he was very into that. 873 00:57:03,962 --> 00:57:06,462 He said it himself: it's a blue star. 874 00:57:07,632 --> 00:57:09,262 - So the blue star, 875 00:57:09,926 --> 00:57:15,216 is essentially the content of the chapter that Terry was 876 00:57:15,223 --> 00:57:18,943 potentially trying to get you to read the whole time. 877 00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:23,358 - And we're literally finding blue stars 878 00:57:23,356 --> 00:57:25,106 - I know. - on blocked paths. 879 00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:26,228 In the forest. 880 00:57:26,234 --> 00:57:27,034 [Tyler] Oh my god. 881 00:57:27,026 --> 00:57:30,026 [Tenney] Terry is not the first person to come up with 93. 882 00:57:30,029 --> 00:57:32,819 He's basing it on 100 year old occultists. 883 00:57:32,824 --> 00:57:36,744 And occultists before them were coming up with the same numbers. 884 00:57:36,744 --> 00:57:40,084 And it's not that they were all figuring it out, 885 00:57:40,081 --> 00:57:43,751 it was that something older than all of them 886 00:57:43,751 --> 00:57:48,381 is revealing itself to them saying "yes you're on the right path." 887 00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:51,051 And they recognize it's relevant. 888 00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:53,300 And now it's doing it to all of you. 889 00:57:53,303 --> 00:57:57,893 It's THAT thing, it's the phenomena, 890 00:57:58,308 --> 00:58:00,228 saying "yes." 891 00:58:00,310 --> 00:58:03,730 [Tyler] So even though it seems like the numbers are cracked, 892 00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:07,030 what I think is vitally important to note 893 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:10,356 is that at the end of the day 894 00:58:11,488 --> 00:58:14,698 I went to that area of Brown Mountain, 895 00:58:14,699 --> 00:58:18,579 or the outskirts of it, believing those were coordinate points. 896 00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:20,660 And something still happened. 897 00:58:21,206 --> 00:58:23,116 So what does that mean 898 00:58:24,542 --> 00:58:27,212 thinking that the phenomena is taking notice? 899 00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:30,173 Where maybe it doesn't matter 900 00:58:31,216 --> 00:58:33,466 exactly what threads we're following, 901 00:58:33,468 --> 00:58:37,258 but we're taking the initiative to follow the path 902 00:58:37,597 --> 00:58:39,177 and to put in that effort. 903 00:58:39,724 --> 00:58:42,984 And being shown that what we are doing is important. 904 00:58:43,311 --> 00:58:45,101 [Greg] So the question 905 00:58:46,064 --> 00:58:47,524 the question then is 906 00:58:48,775 --> 00:58:52,145 what's the next step? 907 00:58:53,279 --> 00:58:57,619 [Connor] There's a potential that Terry wanted us to do that, 908 00:58:58,284 --> 00:59:02,254 so you read the ritual, and what I did is I called Dana, 909 00:59:03,331 --> 00:59:05,831 and she's been researching the ritual itself. 910 00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:10,344 The ritual, as it's read, 911 00:59:11,422 --> 00:59:13,052 I don't understand any of it. 912 00:59:13,049 --> 00:59:15,759 I don't understand this, I'm not sure you did, 913 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,430 it's something that's pretty... 914 00:59:18,179 --> 00:59:19,179 pretty bizarre and in-depth. 915 00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:24,940 I don't have a very strong background in ceremonial magic, 916 00:59:24,936 --> 00:59:29,356 and I don't practice Thelema and I don't really know a lot about it. 917 00:59:29,357 --> 00:59:33,147 And so it's a bit scary when 918 00:59:33,152 --> 00:59:37,572 you have this very distinct ritual 919 00:59:37,574 --> 00:59:40,664 sitting in front of you that it looks like you're supposed to be doing. 920 00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:44,160 And you have the understanding at least to know that 921 00:59:44,163 --> 00:59:47,423 it would take months if not years to work up 922 00:59:47,417 --> 00:59:49,787 to even being able to attempt a ritual like that. 923 00:59:50,044 --> 00:59:53,674 And to do it out of order would be incredibly dangerous 924 00:59:53,673 --> 00:59:55,433 to every single one of us. 925 00:59:55,425 --> 00:59:57,795 So it wouldn't be something that we would want to sort of just 926 00:59:57,802 --> 00:59:59,642 dive head-first into. 927 00:59:59,637 --> 01:00:02,927 When you look at the ritual Dana noticed something interesting 928 01:00:02,932 --> 01:00:06,062 which was the phrase "N.O.X." which shows up a lot, 929 01:00:06,352 --> 01:00:07,852 - What is it? 930 01:00:08,229 --> 01:00:10,019 - Nox. - N-O-X 931 01:00:10,023 --> 01:00:13,783 So, again, this isn't my wheelhouse, 932 01:00:13,776 --> 01:00:16,396 it's not the kind of magic that I practice, 933 01:00:16,404 --> 01:00:18,574 so I don't understand a lot of it. 934 01:00:18,573 --> 01:00:21,413 But from the very basic amount of research that I did, 935 01:00:21,409 --> 01:00:25,619 "nox" or "n.o.x." is usually referred to as "The Night of Pan." 936 01:00:26,497 --> 01:00:28,577 - Fuck outta here! - Oh my god, What?! 937 01:00:28,583 --> 01:00:31,633 It's a mystical state 938 01:00:31,628 --> 01:00:34,298 that is meant to represent ego-death. 939 01:00:35,298 --> 01:00:36,508 Oh, that's interesting. 940 01:00:37,008 --> 01:00:39,928 It's literally referred to as "The Night of Pan," 941 01:00:39,927 --> 01:00:42,967 it's a process within the ritual. 942 01:00:42,972 --> 01:00:47,022 It's something that you have to master before you even attempt this ritual 943 01:00:47,018 --> 01:00:51,058 because there are elements to the Star Sapphire 944 01:00:51,064 --> 01:00:54,034 it's not a beginner's ritual, you have to learn how to do 945 01:00:54,025 --> 01:00:56,895 a lot of the things that are contained within it. 946 01:00:57,111 --> 01:00:57,901 And 947 01:00:57,904 --> 01:01:03,664 the N.O.X. or nox is one of those those signals. 948 01:01:04,369 --> 01:01:07,459 [Tenney] No, I, I honestly, I do believe, I don't think 949 01:01:07,455 --> 01:01:09,995 that when you talk about like 950 01:01:10,875 --> 01:01:15,045 Sapphire Star ritual and stuff, again I think that these are nods 951 01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:18,010 that these are the directions that you're going 952 01:01:18,966 --> 01:01:20,966 in... are correct. 953 01:01:21,219 --> 01:01:24,719 But I don't think it wants old magic. 954 01:01:25,556 --> 01:01:27,766 I think it wants something new. 955 01:01:27,767 --> 01:01:34,687 -So, that said, what do you think we're supposed to do with this? 956 01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:37,571 - I personally think that you're supposed to do a ritual. 957 01:01:37,568 --> 01:01:40,658 But I don't think that that ritual exists right now. 958 01:01:41,406 --> 01:01:44,776 -So the one, and the one thing, and again, 959 01:01:44,784 --> 01:01:47,874 I'm trying to understand this ritual as much as I possibly can 960 01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:51,120 but if there was one thing that I could kind of take away with it 961 01:01:51,124 --> 01:01:53,424 again, knowing about this for like 24 hours 962 01:01:53,418 --> 01:01:56,298 is that the Star Sapphire, it's an invoking ritual. 963 01:01:57,797 --> 01:02:01,007 So it's meant to invoke something, to bring about something. 964 01:02:01,008 --> 01:02:03,258 - Who are we supposed to invoke or what are we supposed to invoke? 965 01:02:03,261 --> 01:02:04,721 [Dana] I don't know. Pan? 966 01:02:04,804 --> 01:02:06,514 [Karl] The rebirth of Pan. 967 01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:08,389 -Yeah. 968 01:02:10,143 --> 01:02:12,353 The only Greek god that's dead... 969 01:02:15,314 --> 01:02:16,774 -Asleep for a long time... 970 01:02:16,774 --> 01:02:18,444 -Yeah. Dead. 971 01:02:19,235 --> 01:02:19,935 -Right. 972 01:02:21,738 --> 01:02:24,068 I mean it's... it's... 973 01:02:26,784 --> 01:02:28,164 It's at the point where 974 01:02:28,161 --> 01:02:29,871 is that a synchronicity? 975 01:02:30,121 --> 01:02:33,791 Or is that just... a slap in the face? 976 01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:42,840 It's beyond 977 01:02:43,634 --> 01:02:45,684 it's beyond hinting at this point. 978 01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:50,023 It's obvious. It's an absolute fact 979 01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:52,806 that this is connected. 980 01:02:52,810 --> 01:02:55,770 I don't know, there's no way to even deny it, 981 01:02:55,772 --> 01:02:59,652 we could try and deny it at this point, but to do that would just be stupid. 982 01:02:59,650 --> 01:03:01,780 We would just be being ignorant on purpose. 983 01:03:05,198 --> 01:03:08,078 ALL of these things, everything that we've been doing now, 984 01:03:08,075 --> 01:03:09,695 for two years 985 01:03:10,912 --> 01:03:11,702 is 986 01:03:12,997 --> 01:03:13,997 on purpose. 987 01:03:16,083 --> 01:03:17,753 Even the dead ends 988 01:03:18,544 --> 01:03:20,174 are all on purpose. 989 01:03:20,505 --> 01:03:22,005 It's... it's all 990 01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:23,673 being guided. 991 01:03:26,219 --> 01:03:28,349 ♪ acoustic guitar and humming 992 01:03:30,264 --> 01:03:33,944 [Connor] Suddenly these numbers, this research, is pointing to 993 01:03:33,935 --> 01:03:38,855 something much more than strange creatures in caves in Kentucky. 994 01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:45,949 [Dana] If Hellier was 995 01:03:47,031 --> 01:03:48,741 ... a symptom. 996 01:03:49,909 --> 01:03:51,699 I think Somerset 997 01:03:52,453 --> 01:03:54,503 is an aspect of that symptom. 998 01:03:54,497 --> 01:03:59,167 But I think there's more, and layers, going on there. 999 01:03:59,168 --> 01:04:04,048 And I think those layers have had time to bleed into each other. 1000 01:04:05,466 --> 01:04:08,716 I think there are still things in Somerset that we could do. 1001 01:04:08,886 --> 01:04:11,056 The question is do we want to do them. 1002 01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:15,019 And I don't know the answer to that right now, I'm too close to it right now. 1003 01:04:15,017 --> 01:04:18,687 I'm gonna have to think about it for a while, and I think we all are. 1004 01:04:18,688 --> 01:04:22,478 I think that question will be answered differently by each and every one of us. 1005 01:04:22,483 --> 01:04:25,443 I'm sure that some of us will say "nope, I'm done I feel good. 1006 01:04:25,444 --> 01:04:27,784 I'm done with Somerset." 1007 01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:31,280 I don't know if I can answer that one yet. 1008 01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:37,420 [Dana] I know that whatever is happening in Somerset is not going to stop 1009 01:04:37,415 --> 01:04:38,825 happening anytime soon. 1010 01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:42,093 And it's probably just going to continue 1011 01:04:42,086 --> 01:04:44,706 growing, and the stories will continue to spread. 1012 01:04:44,714 --> 01:04:47,384 And people will continue to have experiences. 1013 01:04:47,383 --> 01:04:54,643 And hopefully that little piece of our ego-death that happened in that cave, 1014 01:04:55,349 --> 01:05:00,099 and working with Pan, was enough to create some ripple of 1015 01:05:00,104 --> 01:05:02,864 healing in that space. 1016 01:05:04,859 --> 01:05:07,189 I don't think we're done in any of the places we've gone. 1017 01:05:08,279 --> 01:05:11,819 I think we'll go back to every single one of them. For some reason. 1018 01:05:13,784 --> 01:05:14,794 I think 1019 01:05:14,785 --> 01:05:17,035 there are places we have yet to go, 1020 01:05:17,830 --> 01:05:22,630 and there are places that we've been. And at one point in time, 1021 01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:28,092 throughout this journey, we're going to have to come all the way back again. 1022 01:05:28,507 --> 01:05:30,637 And I don't think that we're done with any of them. 1023 01:05:30,843 --> 01:05:32,763 ♪ "American Monsters" By Sunspot 1024 01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:34,559 [Greg] We have a whole box of tools now. 1025 01:05:35,514 --> 01:05:38,144 You know, Karl has the lines, 1026 01:05:38,142 --> 01:05:41,732 we have power names, we have rituals, 1027 01:05:41,729 --> 01:05:43,939 we have numbers, 1028 01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:46,280 we have a whole checklist of things. 1029 01:05:46,275 --> 01:05:47,525 We have maps, 1030 01:05:47,526 --> 01:05:49,946 we have geomagnetic anomalies, 1031 01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:52,566 we have cave systems, 1032 01:05:52,573 --> 01:05:54,623 we have the tones. 1033 01:05:54,617 --> 01:05:58,537 We've been given all of these things to use. 1034 01:05:58,537 --> 01:06:01,787 I can look at those maps, and I can look at a geomagnetic anomaly, 1035 01:06:01,791 --> 01:06:05,461 I can look at a name, I can look at a cave system. 1036 01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:08,341 I can look at how it works in the cipher. 1037 01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:10,629 "What does this name come out to in the cipher?" 1038 01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:12,843 If that name comes out to a specific number, 1039 01:06:12,843 --> 01:06:14,473 I'm fairly confident I could 1040 01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:18,060 drive to that town, and find something weird there right away. 1041 01:06:18,641 --> 01:06:20,731 THAT's what we've been given. 1042 01:06:20,726 --> 01:06:23,556 We did not have that two years ago. 1043 01:06:24,522 --> 01:06:28,692 And I think that's part of the reason we've been doing all of this. 1044 01:06:30,111 --> 01:06:32,361 [Tyler] I just hope it provokes wonder. 1045 01:06:32,363 --> 01:06:33,323 I hope it... 1046 01:06:34,991 --> 01:06:38,541 I hope if anything it gives people the strength 1047 01:06:38,536 --> 01:06:41,496 to not stop asking questions. 1048 01:06:42,498 --> 01:06:44,458 Because I don't think enough people do. 1049 01:06:45,042 --> 01:06:49,212 And I think the people this resonates with are the people that ASK questions. 1050 01:06:50,297 --> 01:06:52,677 How can you make progress if you don't? 1051 01:06:53,843 --> 01:06:57,263 [Connor] So everything is pointing us to 1052 01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:59,853 this phenomena having a larger face, 1053 01:07:00,266 --> 01:07:04,306 that Greg thinks he might be seeing a little bit through his research. 1054 01:07:04,311 --> 01:07:05,271 But 1055 01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:10,150 the phenomena itself, I mean the goblins, Indrid Cold, 1056 01:07:10,151 --> 01:07:12,571 other cave creatures, things like that, 1057 01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:16,905 the town of Hellier and everything that happened there, 1058 01:07:16,907 --> 01:07:19,157 you quickly start to realize 1059 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,580 was just a symptom. 1060 01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:23,369 Of something larger. 1061 01:07:24,665 --> 01:07:27,665 Which Terry was telling us from the very beginning. 1062 01:07:28,252 --> 01:07:30,592 The next phase... 1063 01:07:30,588 --> 01:07:32,628 is following through. 1064 01:07:32,631 --> 01:07:36,801 And finding a window that's open, 1065 01:07:38,012 --> 01:07:42,852 if not potentially opening a window ourselves. 1066 01:07:55,362 --> 01:08:01,082 ♪ "American Monsters" By Sunspot ♪ 1067 01:09:09,812 --> 01:09:11,652 Are you ready for this? [Dana] Mmhm. 1068 01:09:11,647 --> 01:09:15,107 We met a kid at the Mothman Festival whose name was Levi. 1069 01:09:15,109 --> 01:09:18,609 And he immediately made an impression on us because he 1070 01:09:18,612 --> 01:09:20,702 had us sign a tin can. 1071 01:09:20,698 --> 01:09:22,988 And then he started talking about Keel. 1072 01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:26,542 And he really likes Keel's work, and he said 1073 01:09:27,329 --> 01:09:31,959 "You know there's a pamphlet Keel wrote and sold at UFO conferences in the 90's 1074 01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:34,039 called 'Flying Saucer Subculture.' 1075 01:09:34,044 --> 01:09:37,594 I think you guys would really be interested to see the cover." 1076 01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:42,180 So eventually I reached out to Doug Skinner, who runs johnkeel.com, 1077 01:09:42,678 --> 01:09:45,218 because Doug did the art 1078 01:09:45,222 --> 01:09:47,142 that's on the cover of this. 1079 01:09:47,141 --> 01:09:51,651 And he was very nice and he said "I will send you a copy." 1080 01:09:51,645 --> 01:09:54,105 "The Flying Saucer Subculture" by John Keel, 1081 01:09:54,106 --> 01:09:56,356 and the cover depicts a party 1082 01:09:56,358 --> 01:10:00,648 with all these different famous aliens, 1083 01:10:00,654 --> 01:10:03,164 there's a guy doing hypnosis, 1084 01:10:03,157 --> 01:10:05,077 there's a Venusian, 1085 01:10:05,075 --> 01:10:06,285 there's a Dero, 1086 01:10:06,285 --> 01:10:08,495 but what's crazy is 1087 01:10:09,914 --> 01:10:12,504 what's that and what is he holding? 1088 01:10:16,086 --> 01:10:18,006 [Dana] It's a goblin holding a tin can. 1089 01:10:18,005 --> 01:10:21,255 -That is a Kentucky goblin holding, 1090 01:10:21,258 --> 01:10:26,098 not just a tin can, one of the tin can robots 1091 01:10:26,096 --> 01:10:29,386 that Keel wrote about. One of the tin can chimeras. 1092 01:10:30,392 --> 01:10:32,652 This came out in 1994. 1093 01:10:33,354 --> 01:10:37,194 But of all the people, of all the entities to be holding a tin can, 1094 01:10:37,191 --> 01:10:38,361 - it happened to be the goblin. 1095 01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:40,109 - It had to be a Kentucky goblin. 1096 01:10:40,569 --> 01:10:41,569 - That's insane. 1097 01:10:42,112 --> 01:10:43,912 - Is that even a synchronicity? 1098 01:10:43,906 --> 01:10:45,066 - I don't know what that is! [laughing] 1099 01:10:45,074 --> 01:10:46,834 - Well what is it?! What do you call that? 86879

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