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I’m Greg Newkirk.
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In 2012, I received a panicked email
from a man named David Christie.
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A man who claimed that small alien
creatures were emerging from an
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abandoned mineshaft near
his rural Kentucky home,
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and terrorizing his family.
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While initially skeptical of his story,
David followed up his emails
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with a collection of photographs which
showed the three-toed footprints
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left by the so-called goblins.
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And what he said were even images
of the creatures themselves.
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Then he disappeared without a trace.
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According to David, a man named
Terry Wriste had referred him to me.
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I had never heard the name before,
and the only reference to Terry that
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I could find was in the appendix of
an occult book titled
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"Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts."
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In an interview, which discussed his
exploits cracking extraterrestrial codes
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and infiltrating underground alien
cave bases.
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Then in 2013, I received a cryptic email
from Terry Wriste himself.
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The emails contained what appeared
to be GPS coordinates,
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and a note asking why we stopped
investigating David's case
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when we were so close to the answers.
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Terry never emailed again.
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In 2017, spurred on by a flood
of synchronicities, filmmaker
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Karl Pfeiffer contacted me about
the case which had long since gone cold.
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Convinced that the story warranted
following up,
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Karl recruited paranormal investigator
Connor Randall,
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and along with my wife Dana, a
life-long hedgewitch,
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we travelled to the heart of the case.
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A small mining community by the
name of Hellier, Kentucky.
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While there, we continued to be
bombarded by synchronicities,
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and, most unexpectedly,
uncanny connections to the
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Mothman Case, which transpired in
1967 in Point Pleasant, West Virginia.
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In particular, connections to an alien
entity who went by the name Indrid Cold.
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By the end of our time in Hellier,
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it was clear that no one by the name
of David Christie had ever lived
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in the broader Pike County area.
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Yet we left with the feeling that
while we'd gone to Eastern Kentucky
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in search of goblins,
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we'd found something else inside
those mountains:
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something old;
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something asleep;
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something
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that was already waiting
for us to find it.
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[flashback whoosh]
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[Connor] I just saw like a tin can
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it just jumped into my mind.
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Why is this here, you know?
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Some other force had led us to
this. And I didn't know if we
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should be following along to
whatever this thing wanted us to
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be following along to.
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[Dana] [gasping]
Oh. My. Fucking. God.
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Did you hear that?
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We sound fucking crazy.
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[John Tenney on phone]
You will lose your fucking minds.
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But maybe it's Terry Wriste who
I want to get in touch even more.
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Because it sounds like he's the
person who instigated the whole thing.
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I don't know, maybe you have a place
we're supposed to go next.
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[Eerie droning]
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How's everybody doing tonight?
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Everybody good? You're going to be good.
You're going to be real good
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in about 10 minutes.
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We will talk to you guys very soon
we'll see you on Saturday night.
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- Yay, see you Saturday!
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- Adios amigos, thank you for
tuning in we'll talk to you very soon.
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[email notification ping]
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[Tyler] [on phone]
- Yeah.
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- It was sent to my personal email,
at Weird HQ at 9:10 tonight.
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- 9:10...
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[Dana] Right after we finished our
live stream.
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- Like literally right after we finished
our live stream.
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[Tyler] What the fuck, exactly
it's pointed. Ok.
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- And again, you're going to those
coordinates tomorrow, right?
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[Tyler] I'm gonna fucking die
is what she's saying!
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[Laughs]. Yeah, go on.
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- It's just the timing is very bizarre.
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...wrote back at 3:58 AM.
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[Dana] 3:58 AM.
- Holy shit.
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I don't know.
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This is, this is just...
unbridled insanity.
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[Tyler]
Holy shit.
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[Distant rumbling]
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Helicopter!
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Oh my God! Look at this.
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Oh shit, they know I'm here.
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[Music escalates]
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Fuck.
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[Whooshes, birds chirping]
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[Karl] Honestly I'm a little... the case
is a little overwhelming.
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To a certain extent.
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Because it's gotten to this point--
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Season one had some relatively
deliberate goals.
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And season two now, everything
that we've been filming
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and researching for the last year.
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It's been very similar to that sort of
start and stop
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situation of the first couple days
in Hellier.
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Lead, dead end, lead, dead end.
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We have so many leads now and so
many avenues of research,
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but what do we do with them? What
do we do with the information
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that's gained, if there's even any
information gained.
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And that's a little bit stressful,
in that there's so many avenues
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and rabbit holes to go down.
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But we don't want to get too far
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from what made this case unique, either.
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♪ strumming guitar ♪
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[Papers shuffling]
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[Connor] When Karl tagged me for Hellier,
to help out with this,
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and I joined this project,
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and I think this needs to be stressed,
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We literally thought we were going
to make maybe an hour, hour and a half
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long little documentary about trying to
find this guy who saw goblins.
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We really thought that it was going
to be a cut and dry project.
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Instead, what we were given
is the largest case of our lives.
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It's funny, my focus has shifted.
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The paranormal has always been a passion
of mine, since my early teenage years,
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since I got a job at The Stanley, since
I worked on all this ghost work,
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then sort of got more interested in
aliens, then was asked to help out
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with Hellier,
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it was always sort of like a side
passion though.
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Hellier, and the passion that it
has sort of struck a chord with me
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in this research overall, in the
phenomena,
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--in paranormal phenomena in
general,
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has really redirected that for me.
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[Droning whoosh]
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I think... hmm...
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Let me think of the way to word this...
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I think more so this year he has
kind of perfected
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the not allowing something to get
too much a part of his everyday life.
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So he's gotten really good at like
'this is when I focus on this,
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and when I'm not focusing on this
I try not to focus too much on it.
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Because I think the thing
specifically with this case
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is that it's so consuming that
you could literally sit for hours
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and multiple days just
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thinking about everything,
trying to put everything together.
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And I think that he was probably
more like that in the beginning,
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and I think that over the course of the
years that we've sort of been focusing
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on this case,
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distancing yourself a little bit from it
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and kind of giving it the time and
not allowing it to take over,
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is probably becoming what he's better at.
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Whereas, it used to be much
different before.
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But I think for him now there is that
sense of sort of "it's healthier to
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keep it as a case, and not something that
invades constantly that you're
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thinking about all the time.
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♪ "Hallelujah"
By The Haunted Windchimes
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♪ ♪ ♪
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[Greg] I think there's a lot of things
that make this different than
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other mysteries we've come across.
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I mean, this is the first time I've
ever looked seriously into goblins.
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This is the first time I've ever
taken the story of Indrid Cold
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very seriously.
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I think that if anything this story
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has led me to examine other
paranormal phenomena
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that I've been invested in
a little bit harder and
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a little bit deeper.
And maybe look at the idea of
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how synchronicity comes to play
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in a lot of the other cases that
we work on.
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One of the things that always
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struck me as strange about the case
is that when it popped up
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it was sent to a group
of ghost hunters.
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Because we're ghost hunters
we're looking at it in a
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way that if someone... if
a cryptozoologist got that email,
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they would look at it purely
from a physical standpoint.
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Oh, there's strange creatures.
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We're looking at it from a completely
other perspective.
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I mean, we've got people who know
things about conspiracies helping
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with the team. We've got people who
know things about UFO's
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helping with the team.
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How does psychic phenomena
play into it?
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How does the contactee
visitation play into it?
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It's I think de facto the biggest
mystery that we've ever worked on.
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Because it intersects with everything.
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♪ ♪ ♪
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[clears throat]
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[Mic bump]
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Woah!
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Oop! Oop!
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Again, hit that.
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Trying to be silenced!
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Trying to be silenced here.
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[Connor] I want you to begin
by saying how you met Greg and Dana.
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The way that I met Greg and Dana
was actually in a strange roundabout way.
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I actually learned about them through
John Tenney
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and seeing his connections and trusting
those connections.
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And it wasn't until I was able to meet
up with them,
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actually at an event in Michigan,
where we kind of hit it off.
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I think in a really big way.
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And I think we've both seen
value in each other.
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And it gave me a sense that we
wanted to work with each other
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and I think we almost met
halfway in a lot of ways.
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[Greg] I described Tyler a
little when he first
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synchronistically popped up in the case,
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as the most excited dog you've ever met
in a black vest.
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A black, embroidered, vest.
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I think that still holds true.
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Tyler, kind of, I mean he's supposed
to be a part of the case.
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The fact that he synchronistically
popped up with all that information.
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He was obviously supposed
to be there.
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Tyler Strand came to this case
in a very similar way
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that I did. It was synchronicity.
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He was invited to the team by a
synchronicity that seemed to be so
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far outside of himself.
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And outside of us, that it seemed
important for him to join up.
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[Dana] Tyler is... he's like the
embodiment of enthusiasm.
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Like if you were to take enthusiasm
and put it in a little vial,
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that's Tyler. He's 100%
enthusiastic about it all.
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And I think that it's very contagious,
which I love.
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I think that he's a great researcher
and I think that's he has definitely
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helped us look at this differently.
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Tyler is our recon man.
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We send him out places
before everybody else goes out
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and he looks at all these little,
you know, capillaries of the case.
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Greg holds onto the more intense things,
you know, the arteries per se,
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and we all have our little branches.
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Tyler looks in detail on the ground.
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Not interviewing people, but going
to the actual locations
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to try to find the physical phenomena.
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He's a... he's a force.
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[Screams]
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Woo!
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[Giggles]
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[Greg] With the impending release of
Hellier happening in less than a month
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now, it seemed really important
that everyone get together
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and just have a general meeting
of the minds
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to see where we were now a year later.
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I mean it's been 14 months since we
shot the first season.
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And the first season gave us so
many threads to chase,
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it was interesting because everybody
kind of picked their own thread.
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And they'd been researching for
the past year.
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On all of these different avenues.
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So basically the first day that everyone
was here,
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we all gathered in the living room
and everybody just went one by one
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talking about, okay, this is the thread
that I picked, this is what I found out.
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And one of my favorite parts about it
was there was stuff that
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no one had shared with anyone else
yet. So we were hearing and seeing
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this stuff for the first time.
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Seeing everybody with these big
thick file folders just full of
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really interesting, pertinent information.
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It was fascinating to see how much we
had gotten
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just because of that first trip
to Hellier.
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[Karl] What a great shot.
A "gooblin" looking over Dana's shoulder.
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[Greg] You want to know what's
funny about that?
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This was sent to me by a guy I know
online. He's an artist.
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No Idea that we were doing an
investigation
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into the goblins or anything like that.
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He just said "Greg, thanks for taking my
survey. Given your Kentucky address,
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I thought you could appreciate a
Kelly-Hopkinsville goblin.
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[Tyler] Wow.
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-Andy Finkle.
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[Connor] So an important factor
of what we're going to try to do
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throughout the afternoon
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is distill information that has
come up since we last ended
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our filming.
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And the last time that I was here, right?
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But I think it's important that we first
take a step back and
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look at everything that happened
towards the beginning of our filming.
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And sort of see how we would distill
this information.
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What portions of the case we're ready
to cross off and close,
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and what portions of the case
we want to continue to pursue.
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So I have a board for each pillar
of the case:
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David;
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The phenomena;
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and Terry Wriste.
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David is the easiest one
at this point, to cross off.
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Um, we've had no continuous
contact.
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He has disappeared.
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One thing that we could do
is just retry that email again.
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Just shoot a random message.
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If he's reactivated it then who
knows what that could lead to.
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But because we spent days
looking for David,
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and we didn't find anything,
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- The name never even existed
in the town
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or in the surrounding towns,
like the county.
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-Right.
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-So I think that's an easy one
to realize, well,
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we're not getting the whole truth.
Out of that.
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Whether that was just a pseudonym,
whether it was
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a way to get us to Hellier, I don't know.
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But I think that it's an easy one.
It's a dead end.
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- There was a house that Dana
and Greg saw on their very
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first trip to Hellier.
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In October of 2015, Greg and Dana
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went to Hellier for the first time.
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They were driving around a bunch
of mountain roads,
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just trying to find any house that
might seem like David's house.
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At the time they did not realize how big
the sprawl was of that area
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in terms of potential places that David
could have lived.
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And they thought it might be easy
to find a house that fit that description.
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They did relatively quickly find a house
that seemed to fit the description
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that David gave.
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And they were really excited about it.
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They had this kind of vibe that it felt
like the place.
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Of course, after that, you know.
Maybe it was maybe it wasn't.
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When we went back there we
were trying to find that house,
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sort of loosely, to see if maybe there
was something we could get from it.
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But we also knew that that well might
not have been David's house.
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Of course, we struggled to find it.
We couldn't find that house.
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After our expedition to Hellier,
Greg sends me all of his video footage.
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And I finally get a chance
to start looking through it.
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And I realize that they actually
had footage of the house.
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They thought that their battery
had died right before it, and completely
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forgot that there was footage
of the house.
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I backtracked with the footage,
and I find the exact address
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of the house, which I kick over
to Connor and his sister.
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[Connor] When, Michelle, my sister
who has access through her job
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to a few different forums and address
searches and stuff
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put that in, she found the owners
of that home.
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[Karl] Keep in mind, we're looking for
David M. Christie
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and we assume that his age is a
little higher, 50's, 60's.
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The person who owns that house
is David M. Parsons.
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David M. Parsons.
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Which is SO odd, right?
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[Greg] So weird.
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[Tyler] It's so strange.
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[Connor] 68 years old,
David M. Parsons.
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- So fits the age category as well.
- Exactly, exactly.
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He lived there in 2012, at that time.
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The house looked abandoned now,
or at least it did when you saw it.
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We could have driven past it last year
and not known
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because somebody changed everything.
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So you have this old guy, David M.,
who was living there with
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a granddaughter at the time.
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And that granddaughter would have
potentially fit the
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description of the little kid who was
having a difficult time, etc etc.
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The house fits, the homeowners fit,
and the name almost fits.
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Weirder still, as well, that their last
names
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are consistent from a Christian / religious
background.
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Christie, being a derivation of Christ,
and Parsons, being like a parson.
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A clergyman.
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The natural first course of action
was first to find him online.
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Which we did. We looked at his
Facebook profiles,
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we looked at everything.
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And immediately we sort of realize
that the characterization
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between the really articulate wording
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that your David, that our David has
in his emails,
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and this guy's Facebook posts, the way
that he goes about his life,
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are very different.
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Um, and that is an immediate concern.
Or red flag.
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He also didn't appear to be a doctor
in any form.
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So we have to accept all of that as a
very odd
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coincidence as of now.
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It's clear to us that this guy is
not our David.
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What's strange about it, are
the synchronicities.
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It's really hard to research
something like this
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when there's so many synchronicities.
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Because it gets really hard to know
what's a connection,
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and what's a synchronicity.
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The synchronicities are still happening.
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I'm very close with my little sister,
she knows a lot of the work that I'm
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currently doing.
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And she has an interest in it.
But she had, and then I had
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this huge synchronicity bomb
drop that I don't know what to do with.
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And my grandma and her were doing
family ancestry research.
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And my grandma's name is Harless.
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It is from a very interesting last name,
she knows that it's a family name.
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And they come to find out that my--
her great-great grandpa,
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my great-great-great grandpa,
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was a man by the name of
Joseph Harless.
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Who it just so happens was one
of the first settlers and owned a
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whole bunch of land in the area
that would become none other
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than Pikeville, Kentucky.
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He was there when Pikeville
was created.
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So he was out there, my relatives.
When we were in Pikeville
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walking around, and in Pike county
in general,
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we were walking in the footsteps of
my direct ancestors.
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Joseph Harless.
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Harless Creek runs through that
whole Pike County.
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It's possible that the goblin photos,
the footprints, were taken in
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Harless Creek,
I mean that's entirely possible.
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It's right in that area and loops around.
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What we're starting to realize is that
it's possible that
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synchronicities aren't necessarily a
lead to follow this.
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But it could just be noise that is a
side effect of looking into
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this phenomena in the first place.
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So we're trying to really distill what's
hard research and leads that we can follow
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and synchronicities that just happen
because of the nature of looking into this
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so in order to keep yourself grounded, you
have to always go back to the linchpin.
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Or in this case, the two linchpins.
In my mind.
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And that's David and Terry.
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So one of the first things we did,
it's been a year now,
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since we shot the first season of Hellier.
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And one of the first things we wanted
to see was, did we ruffle any feathers.
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Did we get some people worked up?
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So one of the first things we wanted
to do was to check and see
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if any of those emails, any of those
email addresses that were inactive
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have become active again.
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Um, so do you want to try
emailing David and Terry?
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[Connor] Update?
-Just, update?
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Are you alive?
[Connor laughs]
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Do you exist?
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Ready?
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-Yeah.
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-Message sent.
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[sighs]
Ok.
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Well let's see...
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David bounced.
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David is gone.
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Message not delivered.
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Subject: ACBTF I am still in search of
the ink and black we have closed
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the door we are looking at windows.
Are you willing to help?
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I think that's straight to the point.
[Karl] Yeah.
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-Greg Newkirk.
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-Yeah.
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[Karl] Bombs away.
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[Connor] It didn't... it didn't bounce.
Yet.
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[Karl] Refresh it.
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-It didn't bounce.
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-It's an active email address?
-Let's give it five minutes.
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Let's give it like five minutes.
Because sometimes I've
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sent big emails to people
and it's taken a while.
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[Greg] Um let's check the sent...
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-It sent through just fine.
-20 minutes ago.
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-20 minutes ago!
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-How many times have you
attempted this? Twice?
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-Twice now.
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Two other times. The last time
was when you guys were here.
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[Connor] Geez.
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-So it would have been a year ago.
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-That's intriguing and also...
-I'm trying not to get too excited.
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-freaky.
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-So what do we do? Do we just wait?
[Karl] Now we wait.
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[Connor] Keep your phone close.
[Karl] Keep the camera in hand
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and a phone close.
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-Ugh. Actually it makes me
a little nervous.
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-Ugh!
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We've not gotten an email back. But the
implications of that address being active
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are pretty huge.
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Because it probably means that
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he's preparing to use it.
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That name, "Hellier", was still secret at
the time we were sending these emails.
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But we had released one little teaser.
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For this project.
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So I immediately wondered,
everybody did.
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If Terry Wriste had seen the
little teaser
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that we had released about this
goblins case documentary.
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And then reactivated the email.
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Which would in turn mean, that he is
somebody who actively follows
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Greg, or Dana,
on social media.
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So if Wriste is one of your Facebook
friends, if it's somebody that
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you know he could have seen that
teaser and hopped it back up.
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- Well. Greenfield.
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I'm Facebook
friends with Greenfield.
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And putting on our suspicious caps,
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we have to think "who could have
possibly seen this teaser
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and reactivated the email?" And who
is friends with Greg on Facebook?
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Allen Greenfield.
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So, Allen Greenfield
being Terry Wriste
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is a possibility that
we need to consider.
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Allen Greenfield is the author of
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"Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts"
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It's in that book we see the
only reference to Terry Wriste
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that we can find.
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We have to imagine that
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it's possible Terry Wriste
is a made-up character.
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Finding out the truth of
the matter and talking
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to Allen Greenfield is
going to be key.
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[Tyler] I guess the one other
thing with crossing David off
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the list, the reason, another reason
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I feel that's the easiest move,
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is because when you look at the
whole tale of David contacting Greg
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and Dana
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it seems there is always the
underlying element of Wriste
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having been the one to contact him
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and give him that information.
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So I feel like in a big way,
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What little loose ends we have
with David could be covered
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by looking into one of these
bigger elements.
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Which will be Wriste.
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[Connor] Who is Terry Wriste?
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That's what I want to know
more than anything else
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going forward.
Because he is the crux of everything.
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That is the deepest mystery
of it all. Is where
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did this information come from?
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The very first two sentences
of the David email:
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"My name is David Christie. I was
given your contact information
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through a mutual friend of ours,
Terry Wriste.
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The last nine months have been..."
476
00:29:42,864 --> 00:29:45,124
You know, and that's the thesis of
everything.
477
00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,076
The case started with that.
478
00:29:47,076 --> 00:29:51,576
And continued through this
individual and the interview,
479
00:29:51,581 --> 00:29:53,251
and the emails that he sent to you.
480
00:29:53,249 --> 00:29:58,049
When it comes to this case, Terry is
very much a linchpin in everything.
481
00:29:58,338 --> 00:30:01,218
And we have a ton of questions
about Terry.
482
00:30:01,216 --> 00:30:03,586
Who he is, whether
he was even real.
483
00:30:03,593 --> 00:30:07,013
Before we really dove in to
Wriste as an individual,
484
00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:10,773
first I wanted to really exhaust and
learn everything I could
485
00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:12,517
about Indrid Cold.
486
00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:15,771
Indrid Cold is our wildcard.
487
00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:18,902
As we discovered last September
on the way to Hellier,
488
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:23,910
the strange cryptic email that
Greg received from Terry Wriste
489
00:30:23,905 --> 00:30:26,485
was an email in code,
490
00:30:26,491 --> 00:30:30,161
that basically said Indrid Cold
is still here on earth.
491
00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:32,751
[Karl] So now the email says
492
00:30:32,747 --> 00:30:34,747
"Hellier was just a symptom.
493
00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:37,589
The ink and the black are isolated
still and third order is MIA.
494
00:30:37,585 --> 00:30:41,965
He's saying Indrid Cold is still isolated
and that the third order still hasn't
495
00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:46,222
reached out to save Indrid Cold
from the evil greys and shit.
496
00:30:46,219 --> 00:30:49,389
Like, that's what that means.
497
00:30:49,389 --> 00:30:56,399
What's odd is that Indrid Cold
is known from a book called
498
00:30:56,396 --> 00:30:58,856
"The Mothman Prophecies"
by John Keel.
499
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:03,357
Which covers a case of high
strangeness in the late 1960's.
500
00:31:03,903 --> 00:31:08,203
A large portion in my mind of
everything involving
501
00:31:08,199 --> 00:31:11,829
Terry Wriste also involves Indrid Cold.
502
00:31:12,161 --> 00:31:15,081
You have to take into account
503
00:31:15,081 --> 00:31:18,881
how much we were pointed in the
direction of Indrid Cold throughout
504
00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:21,087
our entire case research.
505
00:31:21,087 --> 00:31:25,047
I don't think the root of it all are
these undiscovered cave creatures.
506
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:29,010
I think the root of it all are these
beings, these ultraterrestrials.
507
00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:33,932
There was some stuff that we missed
in Season One.
508
00:31:33,933 --> 00:31:40,983
Woodrow Derenberger released a book
about his experiences with Indrid Cold.
509
00:31:40,982 --> 00:31:45,362
And his visits with Indrid Cold to
the planet Lanulos,
510
00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:47,821
it's called "Visitors from Lanulos."
511
00:31:49,657 --> 00:31:56,287
A lot of people know about the Indrid
Cold story, and the initial encounter.
512
00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:58,749
Not a lot of people read that book
513
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:00,130
that he wrote later.
514
00:32:00,126 --> 00:32:04,166
And not a lot of people realize that
Woody also talks about
515
00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:09,338
Indrid Cold's family and crew.
516
00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:15,024
What we didn't recognize is the
crew's names.
517
00:32:15,016 --> 00:32:17,306
One name in particular.
518
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:19,940
When we were sitting there doing
519
00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:22,148
the Estes Method on a porch
in Kentucky,
520
00:32:22,148 --> 00:32:25,938
there was a name that came up
over and over again in the session.
521
00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:27,404
And that is "Karl."
522
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:28,823
[in session]
Karl breathe.
523
00:32:28,821 --> 00:32:32,031
Karl... wasn't... listening.
524
00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:36,246
You... can ... Karl
525
00:32:36,871 --> 00:32:38,211
Karl
526
00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:42,245
There's... Karl... four
527
00:32:43,503 --> 00:32:45,593
We thought that he was talking
528
00:32:45,588 --> 00:32:47,588
to Karl. Literally sitting there
on the porch.
529
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:50,010
What we didn't realize
was that Indrid Cold's
530
00:32:50,009 --> 00:32:55,259
first mate, best man,
his name... is Karl Ardo.
531
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:58,809
spelled the same way.
532
00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:01,650
So we have to now
look at the entirety of the
533
00:33:01,938 --> 00:33:04,478
transcript. If we do legitimately
534
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:06,652
accept the possibility that we were
535
00:33:06,651 --> 00:33:08,361
in contact with the larger
536
00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:10,411
phenomena for those minutes
in Kentucky,
537
00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:12,945
maybe it was directly talking back.
538
00:33:14,283 --> 00:33:15,413
So now we need to flip through this,
539
00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:16,660
won't take too long,
540
00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:19,251
And try to see if we might
have missed anything.
541
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,460
[Greg] I mean immediately
542
00:33:23,459 --> 00:33:26,589
even reading it, it feels more important.
543
00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:31,508
There's a direct answer, I think you're
almost at the same spot we are
544
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:33,889
'Do you know who sent us here?'
'Karl'
545
00:33:33,886 --> 00:33:34,966
[Greg] Do you know who sent us here?
546
00:33:36,597 --> 00:33:38,137
- Karl... move...
547
00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:43,654
"Indrid Cold, what happened who's there.
Where is Indrid Cold?"
548
00:33:44,313 --> 00:33:47,363
It's you, Karl. Speak to Connor.
549
00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:50,068
[Dana] Where is Indrid Cold? In a holler?
550
00:33:50,069 --> 00:33:52,659
- It's you... Karl... speak... to Connor...
551
00:33:54,323 --> 00:33:59,703
Now that's the secondary interesting
part. Is that Indrid Cold's son,
552
00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:05,084
as we learned from Woodrow,
his name is Coner. Coner Cold.
553
00:34:07,253 --> 00:34:09,093
So it's as if we're...
554
00:34:09,505 --> 00:34:13,755
[Greg] Like... the two of them are there.
- It kind of feels like that.
555
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,720
And again, we don't want to make
a stretch, but
556
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:21,020
the fact that the two names that appeared.
And other names did not come across,
557
00:34:21,017 --> 00:34:24,147
except for Eddie, but he's our ghost
sometimes he just shows up sometimes--
558
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:28,105
but there's two names that come across.
Karl is literally said more than
559
00:34:28,107 --> 00:34:29,317
any other word.
560
00:34:29,317 --> 00:34:31,817
But they might not have been talking
about me and Karl.
561
00:34:32,236 --> 00:34:35,066
They might have been talking about
Indrid Cold's crewmates,
562
00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:37,663
Coner and Karl.
563
00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:41,658
- Well that synchronicity in and of
itself, the fact that
564
00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:45,705
Indrid Cold has become such a big
part of this case,
565
00:34:45,708 --> 00:34:48,998
and that brought us to "Karl" and
"Coner",
566
00:34:49,003 --> 00:34:53,723
Karl and Connor, it's just
weird, it's stuff like that like the
567
00:34:53,716 --> 00:34:55,086
David M.
568
00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:56,723
- We notice at the very end of the session
569
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,809
the last thing I said before I saw the
tin can, right,
570
00:35:00,807 --> 00:35:05,097
was this conversation about a UFO flap
571
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:08,193
"encompass Stillwater Bridge."
572
00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:10,899
Can you help us find Indrid Cold's
house?
573
00:35:14,153 --> 00:35:16,953
- I'm on... hidden... flap...
574
00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:19,118
[Greg] Like a UFO flap?
575
00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:20,907
- Encompass...
576
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:24,000
[Dana] Encompass...
[Karl] What's it encompassing?
577
00:35:25,081 --> 00:35:25,791
- Stillwater...
578
00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:27,464
[Greg] Still water.
579
00:35:27,458 --> 00:35:29,338
[Karl] It's encompassing
still water?
580
00:35:30,169 --> 00:35:31,049
- Bridge...
581
00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:33,585
[Greg] Stillwater is the name
of a town.
582
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:35,589
[Karl] And a bridge?
Stillwater Bridge?
583
00:35:35,883 --> 00:35:39,433
[Connor] After that, we found out
that there is a Stillwater Bridge
584
00:35:39,428 --> 00:35:41,348
in Stillwater, Minnesota.
585
00:35:42,682 --> 00:35:43,772
And he went there.
586
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:47,437
[Tyler] As it turns out,
Stillwater Bridge was a
587
00:35:47,436 --> 00:35:51,066
location that was only 3 or 4
hours from my hometown.
588
00:35:53,317 --> 00:35:55,897
I didn't know what to make
of it, at first,
589
00:35:55,903 --> 00:35:59,573
because this whole trip stemmed
from the off chance
590
00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:04,254
that perhaps this was where
Indrid Cold was staying.
591
00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:10,785
And immediately on my drive
when I arrived in Stillwater,
592
00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:13,923
it became apparently clear that
593
00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:19,181
it was eerily similar to
Point Pleasant, West Virginia.
594
00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:24,104
Immediately the things you would see
that resonated,
595
00:36:24,098 --> 00:36:27,308
like Point Pleasant, were this giant power
plant factory
596
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,810
off in the distance along this river.
597
00:36:29,812 --> 00:36:34,282
Next to this bridge, the Stillwater
Bridge, was closed
598
00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:36,525
because the bridge was unstable.
599
00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:40,951
It was reviewed and shown to
be unsafe.
600
00:36:40,948 --> 00:36:44,238
So that alone is already giving
me this feeling, you think
601
00:36:44,243 --> 00:36:47,083
about the Silver Bridge collapse.
602
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:51,169
And what made things even stranger
is walking over
603
00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:55,127
to that bridge, you see this
big metal statue.
604
00:36:55,129 --> 00:36:59,679
So when you're in downtown
Stillwater, Minnesota,
605
00:36:59,675 --> 00:37:03,925
of course there's going to be
a giant insect statue,
606
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:06,020
just like the mothman.
[laughs]
607
00:37:08,476 --> 00:37:12,606
And it was the strangest nod
to Point Pleasant.
608
00:37:12,605 --> 00:37:16,895
Where instead of a big mothman,
metal mothman statue
609
00:37:16,901 --> 00:37:21,281
you have this big metal butterfly
that's kind of arced up in the same way
610
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,570
with its wings.
611
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:26,453
And you have your bridge, you have
your power plant.
612
00:37:26,452 --> 00:37:31,252
There was no activity on it, and I
walked this place over and over
613
00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:35,339
and over again. Waiting, looking for
people, looking for strange faces,
614
00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:37,586
and there seemed to be nothing.
615
00:37:37,588 --> 00:37:38,548
There seemed to be nothing there.
616
00:37:39,173 --> 00:37:45,513
And I understood at the time that it
really was a shot in the dark.
617
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:48,773
But it was still frustrating
because of how
618
00:37:49,475 --> 00:37:51,135
pointed everything
seemed to be.
619
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:54,895
I don't know what to tell you.
620
00:37:54,897 --> 00:37:56,857
There's nothing here.
621
00:37:59,735 --> 00:38:03,735
I'm feeling defeated.
I know this is the nature
622
00:38:03,739 --> 00:38:05,829
of the beast, so to speak.
623
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:13,209
[Karl] So Stillwater was brought up
in the Estes session like two minutes
624
00:38:13,207 --> 00:38:15,707
before Connor mentions the tin can.
625
00:38:16,669 --> 00:38:21,219
So what we realized at the end of our
last trek, the expedition and all that,
626
00:38:21,215 --> 00:38:23,255
in Season one,
627
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:25,849
that there was a tin can sighting
628
00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:28,465
Keel mentions in
"The Mothman Prophecies."
629
00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:32,692
I'm going back through and I
shoot the interview for Season One,
630
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:37,395
I don't know what experience
Keel was referencing,
631
00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:40,108
I'm sure if you read enough of
his works there's probably some
632
00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:41,939
obscure story about a tin can
that somebody saw that was
633
00:38:41,944 --> 00:38:42,954
floating around a building.
634
00:38:43,487 --> 00:38:47,197
And that next night I'm sitting
there editing my interview
635
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,079
footage to put at the end
of the episode.
636
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:52,120
And I look down, and on my desk
next to me
637
00:38:52,121 --> 00:38:55,041
is "Flying Saucer
to the Center of Your Mind"
638
00:38:55,041 --> 00:38:59,591
and I'm like... synchronicities,
what the hell.
639
00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:02,627
I'll give it a shot. And I open
the book, and I open the book,
640
00:39:02,631 --> 00:39:04,051
and I look down,
641
00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:06,720
and right there on the page
that I opened to was the story
642
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,349
of the tin can sighting that Keel
referenced in "Mothman."
643
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:19,936
It was so weird, that like, I don't
think I even appreciated
644
00:39:19,940 --> 00:39:23,280
how weird it was because it just was like
'well that just happened.'
645
00:39:23,277 --> 00:39:27,867
But just to talk about, is like I wouldn't
believe myself telling this story
646
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:29,865
if I was listening to it.
But I literally just cracked it open.
647
00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:33,908
Radio announces James Townsend
of station KEYL in Long Prairie,
648
00:39:33,913 --> 00:39:38,753
Minnesota, claimed he saw three
animated tin cans, six inches high
649
00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:44,341
around a rocket shaped device in the
center of Highway 27 on October 23, 1965.
650
00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:48,587
That spot, Long Prairie Minnesota,
is an hour and some odd minutes
651
00:39:48,594 --> 00:39:50,684
from Stillwater.
652
00:39:51,889 --> 00:39:58,769
And the tin can was seen like a
minute or two later in the Estes session.
653
00:39:58,771 --> 00:40:01,111
Right after you said Stillwater Bridge.
654
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,280
[Connor] So there's a few key things
on our to do list right now in this case.
655
00:40:05,277 --> 00:40:09,197
We need to learn everything we can
about Terry Wriste.
656
00:40:09,198 --> 00:40:13,618
To try to figure out who he is
that led Greg on this chase.
657
00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:18,044
Part of that, is going to be
talking to Allen Greenfield.
658
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,290
Any insight that Allen Greenfield
has for us, and trying to figure out
659
00:40:21,669 --> 00:40:23,089
if he is Terry.
660
00:40:24,296 --> 00:40:27,676
Speaking of Terry, we need to look
at those coordinate points.
661
00:40:28,175 --> 00:40:31,545
What is at those numbers that
Terry sent to Greg?
662
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:38,060
And we need to do our best guess
at figuring out what is doing this to us,
663
00:40:38,060 --> 00:40:39,350
is it a person?
664
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:42,020
Is it something
paranormal?
665
00:40:42,022 --> 00:40:45,692
And if it involves the cave systems,
we need to get in the caves
666
00:40:45,693 --> 00:40:49,203
and see if we can meet that
phenomena ourselves.
667
00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:52,622
And we need to follow up on
some pretty big news that I learned
668
00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:55,116
about a player in this case.
669
00:40:56,745 --> 00:40:58,705
Because I learned something
pretty major
670
00:40:58,706 --> 00:41:00,246
about Indrid Cold.
671
00:41:00,958 --> 00:41:05,628
I spent a fair amount of time
researching Woodrow Derenberger.
672
00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:12,426
The question was proposed to
John Keel himself in this book.
673
00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:18,515
Andy Colvin has collected articles
and newspaper journals and stuff
674
00:41:18,517 --> 00:41:20,387
that John Keel has written.
675
00:41:20,394 --> 00:41:23,404
He straight up asks one
of the random interviews, in this
676
00:41:23,397 --> 00:41:26,527
big long interview that he has
with Keel,
677
00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:29,735
"Do you feel that the Indrid Cold
story is bogus?"
678
00:41:29,737 --> 00:41:31,947
Point blank to John Keel.
679
00:41:31,947 --> 00:41:34,027
And Keel responds:
680
00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:39,913
"Yes. But, I think his original
story had some substance to it...
681
00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:43,424
[Keel] Because he was scared
enough to go to the police.
682
00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:47,417
And nobody is going to go
to the police with a bogus story.
683
00:41:47,421 --> 00:41:52,011
Derenberger was another
complex character.
684
00:41:52,009 --> 00:41:55,889
He was a pathological liar
to put it simply.
685
00:41:55,888 --> 00:41:59,978
And his daughter called me,
a couple of years ago
686
00:41:59,975 --> 00:42:05,515
and she was very upset that
some TV show had done something
687
00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:07,533
about him.
688
00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:15,445
And he had given the whole thing up
in his 70's or 80's
689
00:42:15,449 --> 00:42:17,869
and moved to Ohio.
690
00:42:17,868 --> 00:42:21,368
And people were always writing
to me. They wanted to contact
691
00:42:21,372 --> 00:42:25,462
Derenberger because they wanted
to contact Indrid Cold.
692
00:42:25,459 --> 00:42:29,839
Indrid Cold became a real entity
to them.
693
00:42:29,838 --> 00:42:32,168
[Connor] "Indrid Cold
became a real entity to them."
694
00:42:32,174 --> 00:42:35,974
As he is a real entity to
a lot of people out there.
695
00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:40,020
And then we find out about the
story continuing through
696
00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:43,095
Taunia, Derenberger's daughter.
697
00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:47,232
Taunia Derenberger wrote a book
a few years ago called
698
00:42:47,231 --> 00:42:51,191
"Beyond Lanulos: Our Fifty
Years with Indrid Cold."
699
00:42:51,485 --> 00:42:54,855
So I read that book. You read it,
and it's honestly a very
700
00:42:54,863 --> 00:42:58,373
endearing tale about this
nice alien.
701
00:42:58,367 --> 00:43:04,327
And at this point, if we accept that this
is fact I think there's something
702
00:43:04,331 --> 00:43:07,591
to say here. And that's that
703
00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:11,205
Indrid Cold... is dead.
704
00:43:11,505 --> 00:43:16,335
According to somebody
who might actually know.
705
00:43:16,343 --> 00:43:17,973
[Tyler] What?
706
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:24,180
So Taunia Derenberger, she said
a statement on Facebook
707
00:43:24,184 --> 00:43:27,104
on September 18th, 2018.
708
00:43:27,104 --> 00:43:31,404
"I just received two visitors carrying
some devastating news.
709
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,820
Indrid Cold, age 92, Demo Hassan,
and Karl Ardo died today.
710
00:43:36,822 --> 00:43:40,622
When I have more information I
will pass it along.
711
00:43:41,368 --> 00:43:43,368
Obit posted soon.
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00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:46,620
[Tyler] What?! What the fuck.
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♪ "Oh Death"
By Adam Moore
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