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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,381 --> 00:00:08,431 [crowd cheering] 2 00:00:10,343 --> 00:00:15,933 We must break free from the petty politics of the past. 3 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:19,556 America is a nation of believers 4 00:00:19,645 --> 00:00:25,395 that is being led by a group of censors, critics and cynics. 5 00:00:27,110 --> 00:00:33,410 All of the people telling you, "You can't have the country you want," 6 00:00:33,491 --> 00:00:37,161 are the same people that wouldn't stand... 7 00:00:37,245 --> 00:00:42,835 I mean, they said, "Trump doesn't have a chance of being here tonight." 8 00:00:43,501 --> 00:00:45,961 Oh, we love defeating those people, don't we? 9 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:47,546 Don't we love defeating them? 10 00:00:50,342 --> 00:00:54,682 To all Americans tonight, I make this promise. 11 00:00:55,347 --> 00:00:59,017 We will make America safe again. 12 00:00:59,101 --> 00:01:03,311 We will make America strong again. 13 00:01:04,481 --> 00:01:07,741 And we will make America great again! 14 00:01:07,818 --> 00:01:10,278 God bless you and good night! 15 00:01:10,362 --> 00:01:11,492 I love you. 16 00:01:11,572 --> 00:01:12,872 [crowd cheering] 17 00:01:26,253 --> 00:01:29,843 My name is Roger Stone, and I'm an agent provocateur. 18 00:01:32,926 --> 00:01:36,346 Stone's Rules are things that I have learned in life 19 00:01:36,429 --> 00:01:38,519 that I seek to pass on to others 20 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:42,058 who may want to be in the same business that I'm in. 21 00:01:42,144 --> 00:01:44,564 Or, actually, any business, 'cause they are fully applicable. 22 00:01:44,647 --> 00:01:46,437 So, for example, a Stone's Rule: 23 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:50,113 "It is better to be infamous than never be famous at all." 24 00:01:50,193 --> 00:01:51,403 Stone's Rule. 25 00:01:56,700 --> 00:02:00,620 One man's dirty trick is another man's political, civic action. 26 00:02:00,704 --> 00:02:02,964 Everything I do, everything I've done, has been legal. 27 00:02:03,581 --> 00:02:07,291 But politics ain't beanbag and losers don't legislate. 28 00:02:07,377 --> 00:02:10,007 The truth will be suppressed no longer. 29 00:02:10,088 --> 00:02:12,258 Lock her up! 30 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:13,760 Lock her up! 31 00:02:13,842 --> 00:02:16,512 Well, Roger has a really rough reputation. 32 00:02:16,594 --> 00:02:19,394 They talk about "dirty trickster" and lots of other things, 33 00:02:19,472 --> 00:02:24,852 but I've known him for a long time, and he's actually a quality guy. 34 00:02:24,937 --> 00:02:26,397 He's a nice guy. 35 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:27,919 Just a few descriptions of you here: 36 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:30,481 "A state-of-the-art sleazeball," "a little rat," 37 00:02:30,567 --> 00:02:32,277 "an actor who likes to assume poses." 38 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,700 I believe in winning. 39 00:02:33,779 --> 00:02:37,699 I believe in doing whatever is necessary to win, short of breaking the law. 40 00:02:37,783 --> 00:02:41,203 In the world of political consulting, there are a number of rogues. 41 00:02:41,286 --> 00:02:42,286 But there's... [chuckles] 42 00:02:42,370 --> 00:02:44,710 There's really nobody quite like Roger Stone. 43 00:02:44,790 --> 00:02:48,540 Roger is the sinister Forrest Gump of American politics. 44 00:02:48,626 --> 00:02:54,926 He's not just this simpleminded guy, but this Machiavellian, almost crazy guy 45 00:02:55,008 --> 00:02:58,928 who shows up at every key moment in recent American history. 46 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:05,178 Roger has a great understanding of the media. 47 00:03:05,202 --> 00:03:08,192 He understands politics and he understands politicians. 48 00:03:08,271 --> 00:03:11,111 And he always likes to take on somebody 49 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:13,401 that at least has a good chance of winning, 50 00:03:13,485 --> 00:03:15,065 and sometimes it doesn't work out. 51 00:03:15,153 --> 00:03:18,283 He's had some people that I said, "What are you doing with these people?" 52 00:03:18,365 --> 00:03:21,155 But, you know... But he loves it and he loves the game. 53 00:03:21,243 --> 00:03:23,453 He has fun with it, and he's very good at it. 54 00:03:24,662 --> 00:03:26,032 [Jeffrey Toobin] In many respects, 55 00:03:26,056 --> 00:03:30,376 Roger Stone created Donald Trump as a political figure. 56 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:35,920 There is no doubt that in tone, in affect, in profile, 57 00:03:36,008 --> 00:03:40,848 the Trump candidacy was a pure Roger Stone production. 58 00:03:40,929 --> 00:03:43,349 When Mexico sends its people... 59 00:03:43,432 --> 00:03:45,062 They're bringing drugs, 60 00:03:45,142 --> 00:03:47,772 they're bringing crime, they're rapists. 61 00:03:47,853 --> 00:03:50,313 And some, I assume, are good people. 62 00:03:50,397 --> 00:03:53,357 [Tucker Carlson] Whereas the rest of us looked at Trump 63 00:03:53,441 --> 00:03:56,691 and saw someone who was impossibly vulgar and impolite, 64 00:03:56,779 --> 00:04:00,529 Roger looked at him and said, "You know, this is someone who voters might like." 65 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:03,075 I mean, Roger actually gets democracy in a way, 66 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,830 I think most people who cover politics don't. 67 00:04:05,913 --> 00:04:09,293 You know, democracy is the process of appealing to the majority. 68 00:04:12,669 --> 00:04:13,919 My name's Donald Trump, 69 00:04:14,004 --> 00:04:16,304 and I'm the largest real estate developer in New York. 70 00:04:16,381 --> 00:04:21,851 I own buildings all over the place, model agencies, the Miss Universe pageant. 71 00:04:21,929 --> 00:04:23,349 But it wasn't always so easy. 72 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:26,930 About 13 years ago, I was billions of dollars in debt. 73 00:04:27,517 --> 00:04:30,897 But I fought back and I won, big league. 74 00:04:30,979 --> 00:04:35,359 Now my company is bigger than it ever was and I'm having more fun than I ever had. 75 00:04:35,442 --> 00:04:36,532 Hello, everybody. 76 00:04:36,609 --> 00:04:38,949 [Roger Stone] Fifteen seasons of The Apprentice 77 00:04:39,029 --> 00:04:41,069 not only makes him a smooth television performer, 78 00:04:41,156 --> 00:04:42,696 but think of the way he looked. 79 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:47,413 High-backed chair, perfectly lit, great makeup, great hair, decisive, 80 00:04:47,495 --> 00:04:50,615 making decisions, running the show. He looks presidential. 81 00:04:50,707 --> 00:04:53,837 Do you think voters, non-sophisticates, 82 00:04:53,919 --> 00:04:57,129 make a difference between entertainment and politics? 83 00:04:57,214 --> 00:05:00,134 Politics is show business for ugly people. 84 00:05:00,217 --> 00:05:02,677 Roger always wanted me to run for president. 85 00:05:02,761 --> 00:05:06,681 And over the years, every time a presidential race came up, 86 00:05:06,764 --> 00:05:07,934 he always wanted me to run. 87 00:05:08,016 --> 00:05:10,436 And I just didn't have interest at that time. 88 00:05:10,518 --> 00:05:13,228 And nor was the country in trouble like it is today. 89 00:05:13,313 --> 00:05:17,733 The American Dream is dead. 90 00:05:19,069 --> 00:05:20,319 [woman] Bring it back! 91 00:05:21,654 --> 00:05:26,204 But if I get elected president, I will bring it back. 92 00:05:27,244 --> 00:05:32,924 Bigger and better and stronger than ever before. 93 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,710 - [girls singing] ♪ Cowardice ♪ - ♪ Are you serious? ♪ 94 00:05:36,794 --> 00:05:40,674 - ♪ Apologies for freedom ♪ - ♪ I can't handle this! ♪ 95 00:05:41,466 --> 00:05:43,926 - ♪ When freedom rings ♪ - ♪ Answer the call! ♪ 96 00:05:44,011 --> 00:05:46,051 - ♪ On your feet ♪ - ♪ Stand up tall! ♪ 97 00:05:46,138 --> 00:05:48,808 - ♪ Freedom's on our shoulders ♪ - ♪ USA! ♪ 98 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:53,350 ♪ Enemies of freedom ♪ 99 00:05:53,937 --> 00:05:55,147 ♪ Face the music ♪ 100 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:57,650 ♪ Come on, boys Take 'em down! ♪ 101 00:05:58,275 --> 00:06:02,315 ♪ President Donald Trump knows how To make America great ♪ 102 00:06:02,904 --> 00:06:06,244 ♪ Deal from strength Or get crushed every time ♪ 103 00:06:06,324 --> 00:06:08,994 It's really great to be here in Cleveland, 2016. 104 00:06:09,077 --> 00:06:10,867 A lot of beautiful people here. 105 00:06:11,579 --> 00:06:14,919 1776! 106 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,000 ♪ Over here ♪ - ♪ USA! ♪ 107 00:06:17,085 --> 00:06:19,085 ♪ Over there ♪ - ♪ USA! ♪ 108 00:06:19,171 --> 00:06:23,381 ♪ O, say, can you see It's not so easy ♪ 109 00:06:23,466 --> 00:06:27,636 ♪ But we have to stand up tall And answer freedom's call ♪ 110 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,060 I have never been more excited about a presidential campaign. 111 00:06:32,850 --> 00:06:37,810 I have never seen a grassroots uprising. 112 00:06:38,606 --> 00:06:41,776 This is not the Republicans versus the Democrats. 113 00:06:41,859 --> 00:06:42,949 [man] That's right. 114 00:06:43,028 --> 00:06:46,858 This is the elites of the Republican and Democratic Party 115 00:06:46,949 --> 00:06:49,079 who have driven this country into the ditch 116 00:06:49,159 --> 00:06:53,249 versus Donald J. Trump and the rest of America. 117 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:55,170 [crowd cheering] 118 00:06:57,875 --> 00:07:00,125 I thank you for your support. 119 00:07:00,212 --> 00:07:06,302 We are on the verge of making America great again. Thank you. 120 00:07:06,384 --> 00:07:08,104 [crowd cheering] 121 00:07:10,555 --> 00:07:12,555 [Stone] How are you doing? Good. 122 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,850 - Take a picture with my son? - [Stone] Yes. How are ya? 123 00:07:14,935 --> 00:07:19,105 And if you decide to run for president in, like, 2039, look me up. 124 00:07:19,189 --> 00:07:20,609 - I will. - [man laughs] 125 00:07:20,690 --> 00:07:25,150 [Stone] I understand how fame works. You know, the four stages of fame. 126 00:07:25,237 --> 00:07:27,987 It's like, "Who is Roger Stone?" 127 00:07:28,073 --> 00:07:29,743 "Get me Roger Stone." 128 00:07:29,824 --> 00:07:31,914 "Get me a Roger Stone type." 129 00:07:31,994 --> 00:07:33,454 "Who is Roger Stone?" 130 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:42,172 A mock election was planned in my elementary school. 131 00:07:42,254 --> 00:07:46,054 And I was for John F. Kennedy because my parents were Catholic, 132 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:47,933 and I thought, although they were Republicans, 133 00:07:48,010 --> 00:07:50,350 they had a certain sympathy for Kennedy. 134 00:07:50,428 --> 00:07:54,348 But also because Kennedy's hair was so much better than Nixon's hair. 135 00:07:54,432 --> 00:07:56,852 And, therefore, I went to the cafeteria 136 00:07:56,934 --> 00:07:59,694 and as each kid would go through the cafeteria line with their tray, 137 00:07:59,771 --> 00:08:02,481 I would tell them, "You know, Nixon has proposed" 138 00:08:02,565 --> 00:08:04,645 having school on Saturdays." 139 00:08:05,568 --> 00:08:07,898 Well, then the mock election was held, 140 00:08:07,988 --> 00:08:10,118 and to the surprise of the local newspaper, 141 00:08:10,198 --> 00:08:13,198 Democrat John Kennedy swept this mock election. 142 00:08:13,285 --> 00:08:17,655 For the first time ever, I understood the value of disinformation. 143 00:08:17,747 --> 00:08:19,867 Of course, I've never practiced it since then. 144 00:08:23,461 --> 00:08:24,671 We Republicans seek 145 00:08:24,754 --> 00:08:28,054 a government that attends to its inherent responsibilities, 146 00:08:28,633 --> 00:08:32,303 encouraging a free and a competitive economy, 147 00:08:32,970 --> 00:08:35,600 and enforcing law and order. 148 00:08:35,682 --> 00:08:37,602 [crowd cheering] 149 00:08:38,685 --> 00:08:42,015 [Stone] My first Republican National Convention was 1964. 150 00:08:42,105 --> 00:08:43,685 I was 12 years old. 151 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:47,153 The woman who lived next door to me, she gave me a copy of a book, 152 00:08:47,235 --> 00:08:49,605 The Conscience of a Conservative by Barry Goldwater. 153 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:52,486 And I devoured this book in, you know, a day. 154 00:08:52,574 --> 00:08:55,454 It was at that moment that I knew what I wanted to do. 155 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:59,245 I no longer wanted to be an actor. I now wanted to be in politics. 156 00:08:59,331 --> 00:09:01,921 Little did I know how similar they are. 157 00:09:01,999 --> 00:09:04,959 I became a zealot. I had a Goldwater sticker on my bicycle. 158 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:06,585 I wore Goldwater buttons. 159 00:09:06,671 --> 00:09:09,221 I wore a Goldwater button two weeks after the election was over. 160 00:09:09,299 --> 00:09:10,969 That's how defiant I was. 161 00:09:12,510 --> 00:09:14,050 [Ann] I met Roger in college. 162 00:09:14,137 --> 00:09:17,887 He was really a total prodigy, in terms of his political ability. 163 00:09:17,974 --> 00:09:23,404 He was talking grown men back home into running for office, electing them. 164 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,610 And then we would sit in our dorm room 165 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:28,030 and they would call Roger for political advice 166 00:09:28,110 --> 00:09:30,320 as to how they should vote on key issues. 167 00:09:30,903 --> 00:09:33,413 His mother once said, "You're not a Catholic. 168 00:09:33,490 --> 00:09:37,490 Your religion is the Republican Party and your god is Richard Nixon." 169 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:41,660 Bart Porter asked him, you know, if he'd be interested 170 00:09:41,748 --> 00:09:43,538 in coming to the Nixon campaign, 171 00:09:43,625 --> 00:09:47,625 so Roger took time off of school to go join the campaign. 172 00:09:47,712 --> 00:09:51,342 [reporter] This is central headquarters for the Re-Elect Nixon Campaign. 173 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:52,514 The White House. 174 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:54,142 But for the sake of appearances, 175 00:09:54,219 --> 00:09:59,179 the Re-Elect Nixon headquarters, in name, is one block up Pennsylvania Avenue. 176 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:01,134 [Stone] The Committee to Re-Elect the President 177 00:10:01,158 --> 00:10:04,228 was unlike any campaign that I'd been in. 178 00:10:04,312 --> 00:10:06,652 It didn't look like your typical political headquarters. 179 00:10:06,731 --> 00:10:09,531 It had a very hushed, corporate quality to it. 180 00:10:11,819 --> 00:10:13,949 Porter called me into his office and said, 181 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:15,910 "We want you to go to New Hampshire," 182 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:18,620 and we want you to give this contribution to Pete McCloskey, 183 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:20,701 who's running for the Republican nomination, 184 00:10:20,787 --> 00:10:22,867 challenging Nixon from the left, 185 00:10:22,955 --> 00:10:25,745 "in the name of the Young Socialist Alliance." 186 00:10:25,833 --> 00:10:27,383 I got an enormous mason jar, 187 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:30,630 filled it with pennies and nickels and dimes and quarters. 188 00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:33,223 I brought it to the McCloskey headquarters. 189 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:35,343 I said, "Hi, I'm from the Young Socialist Alliance." 190 00:10:35,367 --> 00:10:37,757 I wanna donate this, and I need a receipt." 191 00:10:37,845 --> 00:10:39,755 They were so dumb, they gave me one. 192 00:10:39,847 --> 00:10:43,187 The idea was to give the receipt to the Manchester Union Leader, 193 00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:47,398 the largest newspaper in New Hampshire, as a way of discrediting McCloskey. 194 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:53,700 A perfect example of a dirty trick that had no purpose and no effect, 195 00:10:53,778 --> 00:10:55,658 but the Nixon people thought it was great. 196 00:10:55,738 --> 00:10:57,658 I never heard another word about it... 197 00:10:57,740 --> 00:11:01,410 until an investigator from the Senate Watergate Committee knocked on my door. 198 00:11:01,494 --> 00:11:03,794 [reporter 1] We have a mystery story out of Washington. 199 00:11:03,871 --> 00:11:05,581 Five people have been arrested and charged 200 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:08,352 with breaking into the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee 201 00:11:08,376 --> 00:11:09,437 in the middle of the night. 202 00:11:09,461 --> 00:11:11,555 [reporter 2] The Democratic National Committee is located 203 00:11:11,579 --> 00:11:13,089 in the Watergate office building. 204 00:11:13,172 --> 00:11:15,012 I welcome this kind of examination, 205 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:18,931 because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. 206 00:11:19,011 --> 00:11:20,391 Well, I'm not a crook. 207 00:11:20,472 --> 00:11:22,772 I've earned everything I've got. 208 00:11:22,849 --> 00:11:25,849 I was the youngest person to go to the Watergate grand jury. 209 00:11:27,354 --> 00:11:29,984 During the Senate Watergate Committee hearings, 210 00:11:30,064 --> 00:11:31,824 this enormous chart was put up, 211 00:11:31,899 --> 00:11:37,279 in which everyone who received money from this secret fund was put on the wall. 212 00:11:37,364 --> 00:11:41,664 And it said, "Gordon Liddy, McCord, Segretti." 213 00:11:41,743 --> 00:11:43,833 And then way down at the bottom, it said "Stone." 214 00:11:43,911 --> 00:11:49,171 I paid $100 to Mr. Roger Stone on one occasion. 215 00:11:49,251 --> 00:11:53,091 My parents called me on the phone. They were mortified. 216 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:55,010 I thought it was pretty cool. 217 00:11:55,089 --> 00:11:57,629 To leave office before my term is completed 218 00:11:57,717 --> 00:12:00,387 is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. 219 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:06,310 But as president, I must put the interests of America first. 220 00:12:06,392 --> 00:12:11,942 Therefore, I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. 221 00:12:13,107 --> 00:12:15,687 [Stone] I was a Watergate figure at 19 years old. 222 00:12:16,278 --> 00:12:19,198 I mean, at the time, I was scared shitless. 223 00:12:19,281 --> 00:12:20,821 It was very hard to find work. 224 00:12:20,907 --> 00:12:23,827 We used to have these buttons that said "hire a Watergate vet." 225 00:12:33,044 --> 00:12:36,464 So this is the Batcave. This is "the Factory," as we call it. 226 00:12:37,214 --> 00:12:40,394 This is where I tape my Saturday radio shows. 227 00:12:40,468 --> 00:12:42,388 It is also the repository 228 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:47,020 of probably the world's largest collection of Nixon memorabilia. 229 00:12:47,099 --> 00:12:50,309 The 1962 campaign for governor. 230 00:12:50,395 --> 00:12:52,355 Uh, a rally that I actually attended. 231 00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:54,978 A head shot poster of the day. 232 00:12:55,483 --> 00:12:59,573 This is protesting Nixon's historic trip to China. 233 00:12:59,654 --> 00:13:04,374 Here you have the first and second generation Nixon bongs. 234 00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:07,661 This is among my most prized possessions. 235 00:13:07,745 --> 00:13:10,705 [reporter] Roger Stone does occasional political chores for Nixon. 236 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:15,590 One such chore, to organize dinners of journalists at Nixon's New Jersey home. 237 00:13:16,338 --> 00:13:20,128 [Stone] I was the assigned liaison between the Reagan campaign 238 00:13:20,216 --> 00:13:23,886 and former President Nixon, transmitting memos back and forth. 239 00:13:23,970 --> 00:13:27,600 It was not until his post-presidency that we became close friends. 240 00:13:27,682 --> 00:13:29,352 He had been through a lot, obviously, 241 00:13:29,434 --> 00:13:31,694 but I think he was just as resilient as ever. 242 00:13:31,769 --> 00:13:34,109 His greatest single quality is resilience. 243 00:13:34,188 --> 00:13:37,188 And that's the purpose of my tattoo. 244 00:13:37,274 --> 00:13:39,194 It's not an ideological statement. 245 00:13:39,276 --> 00:13:42,606 It's a reminder that in life, when you get knocked down, 246 00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:46,447 you have to get up off the canvas and keep pushing, get back in the game. 247 00:13:46,534 --> 00:13:48,294 That's the story of Nixon. 248 00:13:48,370 --> 00:13:53,790 A man is not finished when he is defeated. He's only finished when he quits. 249 00:13:54,417 --> 00:13:58,207 [Toobin] The Nixon tattoo is really all you need to know about Roger. 250 00:13:58,713 --> 00:14:01,973 Because he thinks Nixon's approach to politics, 251 00:14:02,049 --> 00:14:05,759 the toughness, the win-at-all-costs mentality, 252 00:14:05,845 --> 00:14:07,965 that's what Roger reflects. 253 00:14:08,055 --> 00:14:11,015 Delegates to the Young Republicans Convention in Memphis 254 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:14,900 have chosen as their chairman a conservative with a Watergate past. 255 00:14:14,979 --> 00:14:16,979 [reporter] Watergate dominated this convention 256 00:14:17,064 --> 00:14:19,824 because the Republican Party's important youth arm 257 00:14:19,901 --> 00:14:24,451 was about to be taken over by Roger Stone, a 25-year-old political operative 258 00:14:24,531 --> 00:14:28,951 who was deeply involved in the 1972 Nixon "dirty tricks" campaign. 259 00:14:29,035 --> 00:14:32,035 [Paul Manafort] They embellished what was a 20-year-old kid's role 260 00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:34,581 into being the mastermind of Watergate. 261 00:14:34,666 --> 00:14:38,706 Roger saw the opportunity to build a reputation 262 00:14:38,795 --> 00:14:41,585 off of being viewed as that politically significant. 263 00:14:41,673 --> 00:14:43,433 [reporter] Opponents of Stone contend 264 00:14:43,508 --> 00:14:46,388 that his election is part of a move by conservative activists 265 00:14:46,469 --> 00:14:48,719 to take over the Republican Party. 266 00:14:48,805 --> 00:14:50,345 [Manafort] When we elected Roger, 267 00:14:50,431 --> 00:14:53,641 we moved the Republican Party in a more ideological direction. 268 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:58,023 Up until that point, it was straddling the old Republican establishment 269 00:14:58,105 --> 00:15:01,895 and the new conservative movement that was started in Barry Goldwater days. 270 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:03,324 We built on that, 271 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:06,783 and I think when Roger was elected chairman of the Young Republicans, 272 00:15:06,864 --> 00:15:10,124 you know, that was the piece that finalized everything. 273 00:15:10,201 --> 00:15:12,241 For many years, the Republican Party 274 00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:17,038 was associated with this sort of good guy, Eisenhower earnestness. 275 00:15:17,542 --> 00:15:19,132 What happened with the new right 276 00:15:19,210 --> 00:15:21,960 was there was a new generation of people who said, 277 00:15:22,046 --> 00:15:25,546 "You know what? We're gonna fight dirty and we're gonna win." 278 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:32,720 Among the revolutionary changes in American politics the past few years 279 00:15:32,807 --> 00:15:34,927 has been the rise of the political action committees, 280 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:38,347 called PACs, fund-raising groups for special interests. 281 00:15:38,438 --> 00:15:39,608 [reporter] NCPAC, 282 00:15:39,689 --> 00:15:43,029 the National Conservative Political Action Committee based in Virginia, 283 00:15:43,109 --> 00:15:46,449 rich in money, and dedicated to doing in the nation's liberals. 284 00:15:46,529 --> 00:15:50,869 Even, its director Terry Dolan says, if that means using the politics of fear. 285 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:52,790 I don't think there's anything wrong with fear. 286 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:55,000 [Stone] I met Terry Dolan 287 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:57,619 when we were teenage Republicans together in Connecticut. 288 00:15:58,666 --> 00:16:00,836 [Ann] When we got married, Terry was our best man. 289 00:16:00,918 --> 00:16:03,798 But more than that, he actually ended up moving in with us. 290 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,498 We used to refer to him as "the child." 291 00:16:05,522 --> 00:16:08,642 It was on our living room floor that NCPAC was born. 292 00:16:08,718 --> 00:16:11,348 NCPAC, the National Conservative Political Action Committee, 293 00:16:11,428 --> 00:16:14,388 is transformative in the sense that we really pioneered 294 00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:18,354 negative campaign advertising in massive doses to win elections. 295 00:16:18,435 --> 00:16:20,555 Up to that time, it really hadn't been done. 296 00:16:20,647 --> 00:16:24,027 I came to Washington for the Wall Street Journal 297 00:16:24,108 --> 00:16:27,148 in, um, the very end of 1983. 298 00:16:27,236 --> 00:16:30,196 And Roger was already kind of a legend by then, 299 00:16:30,281 --> 00:16:31,951 kind of a dark legend, [chuckles] 300 00:16:32,033 --> 00:16:36,663 Because of the negative ads that he and NCPAC had run. 301 00:16:36,746 --> 00:16:39,866 So people thought of him as kind of a wizard behind the scenes. 302 00:16:39,957 --> 00:16:41,944 I remember meeting him on the street and thinking, 303 00:16:41,968 --> 00:16:43,748 "Wow, that's Roger Stone." 304 00:16:43,836 --> 00:16:46,431 [announcer on TV] Birch Bayh telling us he's fighting inflation. 305 00:16:46,455 --> 00:16:49,755 The price tag on that baloney is $46 billion. 306 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:52,602 Because if Bayh wins, you lose. 307 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:55,009 The story of NCPAC is that after Watergate, 308 00:16:55,097 --> 00:16:57,347 there were campaign finance reforms 309 00:16:57,433 --> 00:17:01,813 to try to control the corruption in spending on politics. 310 00:17:02,813 --> 00:17:05,073 So what the Republicans did was, 311 00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:08,189 they figured out a way around the new rules. 312 00:17:08,778 --> 00:17:12,318 [Manafort] The focus of NCPAC was to use all the tools of a campaign, 313 00:17:12,406 --> 00:17:13,826 but instead of having a candidate, 314 00:17:13,908 --> 00:17:15,618 to use it through a PAC. 315 00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:19,040 [Stone] We could only give a Senate campaign, 316 00:17:19,121 --> 00:17:22,041 in a direct financial transfer of $5,000. 317 00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:26,382 But the loophole was we could advertise on behalf of a candidate, 318 00:17:26,462 --> 00:17:30,512 without their cooperation or coordination, an unlimited amount. 319 00:17:30,592 --> 00:17:32,302 And that's why NCPAC was successful. 320 00:17:33,094 --> 00:17:35,854 [reporter] It was a political disaster for Senate Democrats. 321 00:17:35,930 --> 00:17:37,770 They not only lost control of the Senate, 322 00:17:37,849 --> 00:17:40,639 they lost some of the biggest names in the Democratic Party 323 00:17:40,727 --> 00:17:42,897 and many of their most prominent liberals. 324 00:17:42,979 --> 00:17:49,489 Regrettably, NCPAC consistently plays to the dark side of human nature. 325 00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:55,409 Its stock-in-trade is the half-truth, the innuendo, the distortion. 326 00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:57,491 [man on TV] Power is what PACs are about. 327 00:17:57,577 --> 00:18:00,327 The power to raise and give money to political candidates, 328 00:18:00,412 --> 00:18:02,542 who, in turn, will at least give them a hearing 329 00:18:02,624 --> 00:18:03,964 and at best do their bidding. 330 00:18:04,041 --> 00:18:09,341 Roger was one of the inventors of the modern political system. 331 00:18:09,421 --> 00:18:11,721 The PACs, the super PACs. 332 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:14,589 That is where Roger has made his influence, 333 00:18:14,677 --> 00:18:16,547 and it continues to be felt. 334 00:18:16,638 --> 00:18:20,098 I'm convinced that at some point, with these types of programs, 335 00:18:20,182 --> 00:18:23,652 you could elect Mickey Mouse to the House or the Senate. 336 00:18:23,728 --> 00:18:25,588 [announcer on TV] Ronald Reagan for president. 337 00:18:25,612 --> 00:18:27,532 He'll make America great again. 338 00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:30,190 [Stone] The district we're in is Congressman Gary Lee. 339 00:18:30,276 --> 00:18:32,066 After this, we go to the 32nd District, 340 00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:34,113 where those guys just got knocked off the ballot. 341 00:18:34,196 --> 00:18:35,616 - You're good at this. - [laughs] 342 00:18:35,698 --> 00:18:37,528 You must have had some experience. 343 00:18:37,617 --> 00:18:41,157 [Stone] 1980, Ronald Reagan defeats Jimmy Carter. 344 00:18:41,245 --> 00:18:44,575 I was running three northeastern states for Reagan, 345 00:18:44,666 --> 00:18:46,376 as a regional political director. 346 00:18:46,458 --> 00:18:49,088 I think most observers didn't recognize. 347 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:50,960 Reagan's enormous appeal 348 00:18:51,047 --> 00:18:53,837 to blue-collar Catholics and working-class people. 349 00:18:53,925 --> 00:18:57,675 And, of course, he carried all three states and the presidency. 350 00:18:57,762 --> 00:19:01,932 And I'm proud of the fact that I played some tiny, infinitesimal role 351 00:19:02,016 --> 00:19:05,186 in saving the United States by electing Ronald Reagan. 352 00:19:06,395 --> 00:19:08,475 The Reagan voter is a blue-collar, 353 00:19:08,564 --> 00:19:12,194 working-class, middle education, middle-income-level voter. 354 00:19:12,276 --> 00:19:15,606 Roger identified the Reagan Democrat. 355 00:19:15,697 --> 00:19:17,987 He actually wrote up the strategy 356 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:22,334 for reaching out specifically to the blue-collar and the Catholic vote. 357 00:19:22,411 --> 00:19:27,711 He tends to be a second, third-generation Catholic... Italian, Irish, Polish. 358 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:29,552 [Ann] The Reagan Democrat was a critical part 359 00:19:29,626 --> 00:19:33,086 of bringing over states that normally would not vote Republican. 360 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:38,589 Let us pledge to each other, with this great lady looking on, 361 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:42,890 that we can, and so help us God, 362 00:19:42,974 --> 00:19:46,394 we will, make America great again. 363 00:19:46,477 --> 00:19:48,597 - [crowd cheering] - Thank you very much. 364 00:19:59,782 --> 00:20:04,582 Roger is unique, in my experience, because he actually embraces infamy. 365 00:20:04,661 --> 00:20:06,911 He doesn't worry that you think he's a sleazeball. 366 00:20:06,998 --> 00:20:08,958 He wants you to think he's a sleazeball. 367 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:11,131 What a cheap, low-class way to operate. 368 00:20:12,586 --> 00:20:16,256 [man] Why do you embrace the role of dirty trickster? 369 00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:17,470 Well, I'm stuck with it now. 370 00:20:17,549 --> 00:20:21,179 It's gonna be in the first paragraph of my New York Times obit, 371 00:20:21,262 --> 00:20:22,932 so I might as well go with the flow. 372 00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:25,454 The only thing I can think of worse than being talked about... 373 00:20:26,017 --> 00:20:27,597 is not being talked about. 374 00:20:27,685 --> 00:20:30,122 - [crowd cheering and chanting] - ♪ Used to be a fan of Bill ♪ 375 00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:31,686 ♪ Blue dresses And spunk was spilled ♪ 376 00:20:31,772 --> 00:20:33,362 ♪ Cigars and the broads they filled ♪ 377 00:20:33,441 --> 00:20:35,231 ♪ Should have seen a pissed-off Hill ♪ 378 00:20:35,317 --> 00:20:38,527 ♪ Why she stayed? What's the deal? I lost count of the ordeals ♪ 379 00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:40,132 ♪ Y'all don't understand How criminals build ♪ 380 00:20:40,156 --> 00:20:41,925 ♪ And the products they move And the people they've killed? ♪ 381 00:20:41,949 --> 00:20:45,119 ♪ Partners of the Bush Crime Fam Arkansas, Contra-Iran ♪ 382 00:20:45,202 --> 00:20:46,372 ♪ Agency's drug plan expand ♪ 383 00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:50,004 Now, Bill and Hillary Clinton would steal a hot stove. 384 00:20:50,082 --> 00:20:52,632 - [crowd laughing] - These people are career criminals, 385 00:20:52,709 --> 00:20:56,629 and thus far, the mainstream media has helped conceal their crimes. 386 00:20:56,713 --> 00:20:59,883 But the truth will be suppressed no longer. 387 00:20:59,967 --> 00:21:02,047 [chanting] Lock her up! 388 00:21:02,136 --> 00:21:04,216 [Stone and crowd chanting] Lock her up! 389 00:21:04,305 --> 00:21:06,635 Lock her up! Lock her up! 390 00:21:06,724 --> 00:21:09,854 ♪ Clinton Crime Cartel They got guns to sell ♪ 391 00:21:09,935 --> 00:21:13,435 ♪ If women getting raped in the process Oh, well ♪ 392 00:21:13,522 --> 00:21:15,732 [Stone] The slash-and-burn politics of today 393 00:21:15,817 --> 00:21:18,737 are what's required to get noticed. 394 00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:20,780 God bless you. I'll be happy to sign books 395 00:21:20,863 --> 00:21:23,123 for those patriots who are smart enough to buy them. 396 00:21:23,199 --> 00:21:24,199 [crowd cheers] 397 00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:26,161 If you can't communicate with people, 398 00:21:26,243 --> 00:21:30,163 you can't get them to adhere to the idea you are trying to educate them about. 399 00:21:30,747 --> 00:21:33,577 You have to be outrageous to get noticed. 400 00:21:38,172 --> 00:21:39,222 [blows] 401 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:44,548 "For Roger, with fond memories and the highest regard and affection 402 00:21:44,636 --> 00:21:49,016 for his good work in the 1980 campaign. From a good friend, Roy Cohn." 403 00:21:50,601 --> 00:21:53,080 [commentator] This is a man that everybody is going to enjoy meeting. 404 00:21:53,104 --> 00:21:54,314 He's Roy M. Cohn, 405 00:21:54,396 --> 00:21:57,436 who was confidential assistant to the United States Attorney General. 406 00:21:57,524 --> 00:22:01,864 [reporter 1] In 1953, Roy Cohn became chief counsel to Senator Joe McCarthy's 407 00:22:01,946 --> 00:22:04,486 communist-hunting investigations committee. 408 00:22:04,573 --> 00:22:07,283 [reporter 2] His reign of televised intimidation in the 1950s 409 00:22:07,368 --> 00:22:12,538 has become synonymous with demagoguery, fearmongering and character assassination. 410 00:22:12,623 --> 00:22:15,583 [reporter 3] Cohn went on to private practice and made millions. 411 00:22:15,667 --> 00:22:19,167 He became one of the most politically connected lawyers in the nation. 412 00:22:19,255 --> 00:22:21,875 [reporter 4] The last two decades of his career were marred 413 00:22:21,966 --> 00:22:25,176 by allegations of fraud, blackmail and perjury. 414 00:22:25,261 --> 00:22:29,891 When I was assigned New York for Ronald Reagan in 1979, 415 00:22:29,974 --> 00:22:31,484 for the 1980 election, 416 00:22:31,558 --> 00:22:35,518 shortly thereafter I was invited to a dinner party 417 00:22:35,604 --> 00:22:38,324 being thrown by a Washington socialite... 418 00:22:38,399 --> 00:22:40,359 who, in all honesty, I was trying to lay... 419 00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:43,568 and Cohn was present. 420 00:22:43,654 --> 00:22:45,074 So I made my way up to him. 421 00:22:45,156 --> 00:22:49,576 I introduced myself. I said, "Mr. Cohn, I'm... I'm Roger Stone." 422 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:50,660 He looked at me and said, 423 00:22:51,578 --> 00:22:54,538 "Are you the son or the grandson of the Roger Stone 424 00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:57,173 who's running the Reagan campaign here in New York?" 425 00:22:57,251 --> 00:22:59,251 I said, "No, that's me." 426 00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:02,416 He turns to his partner Tom Bolan. He says, "Reagan's in trouble." 427 00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:07,427 [Wayne Barrett] I wrote a lot about Roy Cohn. 428 00:23:07,929 --> 00:23:11,309 I started hearing about Roger from people who were close to Roy. 429 00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:16,436 Roy Cohn is the single most evil person I have ever covered. 430 00:23:16,645 --> 00:23:22,815 If that's a magnet for you as a young man, it says you're soulless before you start. 431 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:25,819 Well, my attitude regarding those who criticize me 432 00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:29,905 for being friends with Roy Cohn or Richard Nixon is... fuck 'em. 433 00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:34,164 [Ann] Roger's relationship with Cohn was, in part, mentor. 434 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:36,366 Cohn had a slice of history, 435 00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:41,133 and a circle of friends that would not have necessarily been part of our orbit. 436 00:23:41,212 --> 00:23:42,672 It's how we met Trump. 437 00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:48,835 Donald Trump is probably one of the most important names in America today. 438 00:23:48,927 --> 00:23:52,257 He is, as I say, the closest thing to a genius I've ever met in my life. 439 00:23:52,348 --> 00:23:55,348 On "Special Segment" tonight, Mike Jensen profiles a man 440 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:56,894 who, at the age of 39, 441 00:23:56,978 --> 00:24:00,648 is not content with being New York City's latest real estate billionaire. 442 00:24:00,731 --> 00:24:04,651 Donald Trump has also ventured into gambling and professional football 443 00:24:04,735 --> 00:24:08,315 and says he could negotiate a nuclear disarmament treaty with the Soviet Union. 444 00:24:08,405 --> 00:24:11,365 [man on TV] Donald Trump, a tough man in a tough city. 445 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:14,080 Steve, you're gonna have to start pushing these people now, 446 00:24:14,161 --> 00:24:16,721 'cause it's getting a little ridiculous, as far as I'm concerned. 447 00:24:16,747 --> 00:24:19,207 [man on TV] At the age of 39, Donald Trump has become 448 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:22,751 one of America's best known and most successful builders. 449 00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:27,046 And, not surprisingly, he has an ego almost as big as his empire. 450 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:30,393 I had a lawyer, who was a very good lawyer, tough lawyer, 451 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:31,639 named Roy Cohn. 452 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,600 He introduced me, at one point, to Roger Stone. 453 00:24:35,682 --> 00:24:37,932 Roy thought Roger was a very tough guy. 454 00:24:38,019 --> 00:24:40,269 Roy knew some very tough guys, I will tell you that, 455 00:24:40,354 --> 00:24:43,074 but Roy always felt that Roger was not only tough, 456 00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:45,479 but a smart guy and very political. 457 00:24:45,567 --> 00:24:47,937 [man on TV] Trump is an expert at getting what he wants, 458 00:24:48,029 --> 00:24:50,109 particularly from politicians. 459 00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:52,817 He's gotten tax abatements and other concessions. 460 00:24:52,908 --> 00:24:55,948 Politicians have gotten campaign contributions. 461 00:24:56,037 --> 00:24:57,037 Big ones. 462 00:24:57,704 --> 00:25:00,124 [Manafort] Roger's the first one who introduced us to Donald, 463 00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:03,587 and Donald was one of our clients at Black, Manafort, Stone 464 00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:06,919 in the early '80s and was a client of ours for a long time. 465 00:25:13,887 --> 00:25:16,637 [Toobin] In the early days of the Reagan administration, 466 00:25:16,723 --> 00:25:20,023 Roger was so prominent and so successful, 467 00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:24,322 he could have become a sort of great man of the party. 468 00:25:24,398 --> 00:25:26,188 He was a real insider. 469 00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:29,395 He was a political consultant, a lobbyist, 470 00:25:29,486 --> 00:25:31,406 someone who was right in the thick of things. 471 00:25:31,488 --> 00:25:33,278 Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and I 472 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:36,485 had worked together through the Reagan campaign. 473 00:25:36,577 --> 00:25:39,157 When the Reagan campaign got short of cash, 474 00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:41,916 and decided to start a political consulting firm. 475 00:25:41,998 --> 00:25:44,248 Paul Manafort came in one day and said, 476 00:25:44,335 --> 00:25:46,245 "You know, we ought to start a lobbying firm," 477 00:25:46,337 --> 00:25:49,877 because I'm getting a lot of calls from people who know we all work for Reagan 478 00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:52,925 and know the people who are gonna be in the Reagan administration, 479 00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:54,549 "and they want lobbying." 480 00:25:54,636 --> 00:25:55,636 So we did. 481 00:25:55,721 --> 00:25:56,971 [indistinct chatter] 482 00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:59,725 - Good to see you. - This is Paul Manafort. 483 00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:01,138 [Manafort] What we were doing was 484 00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:04,267 trying to use our relationships that we had built up, 485 00:26:04,355 --> 00:26:07,645 first through the Young Republicans and then through NCPAC, 486 00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:10,903 and to create a business that would focus on political consulting. 487 00:26:10,986 --> 00:26:14,486 [Jane Mayer] Lobbying had been considered kind of a sleazy business, 488 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:18,453 but Roger Stone unabashedly came out and said, 489 00:26:18,535 --> 00:26:22,615 "I'm gonna make a pile of money off this and no apologies." 490 00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:26,417 Black, Manafort & Stone was the shit. 491 00:26:26,502 --> 00:26:30,552 It was the biggest, most powerful lobbying operation in Washington. 492 00:26:31,215 --> 00:26:33,965 We did things that nobody else had ever done. 493 00:26:34,051 --> 00:26:35,931 ♪ That's the way you do it ♪ 494 00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:39,061 ♪ Money for nothin' And your chicks for free ♪ 495 00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:40,929 ♪ Money for nothin' ♪ 496 00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:44,603 ♪ And your chicks for free ♪ 497 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,270 ♪ Money for nothin' ♪ 498 00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:51,783 ♪ And your chicks for free ♪ 499 00:26:52,277 --> 00:26:53,697 ♪ Look at that Look at that ♪ 500 00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:55,779 ♪ Money for nothin' ♪ 501 00:26:57,407 --> 00:26:58,947 ♪ And your chicks for free ♪ 502 00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:02,872 [Mayer] There were a lot of gray people 503 00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:06,044 in gray suits and tan raincoats in Washington. 504 00:27:06,124 --> 00:27:08,714 They were all sort of interchangeable. 505 00:27:08,794 --> 00:27:10,844 And then you had Roger Stone. 506 00:27:10,921 --> 00:27:16,091 And when he went to fancy parties, he wore black patent leather slippers. 507 00:27:16,177 --> 00:27:18,297 He was a whole new level of, sort of, 508 00:27:18,387 --> 00:27:21,137 splash and show business and money and glitz. 509 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:23,849 ♪ Money for nothin' ♪ 510 00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:25,614 [interviewer] Joining us now, Roger Stone, 511 00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:29,146 who belongs to one of Washington's most successful consulting firms. 512 00:27:29,231 --> 00:27:32,231 The argument, I gather, seems to be that you helped elect 'em, 513 00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:34,318 and now you're helping to tell them what to do, 514 00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:36,953 and this really isn't what the Founding Fathers had in mind. 515 00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:41,580 First of all, the term "influence shops" is really not accurate at all. 516 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,540 I think that what we provide for our clients, 517 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:47,210 be them foreign countries or corporations or individuals, 518 00:27:47,291 --> 00:27:50,381 is a superior understanding of how Washington works. 519 00:27:50,461 --> 00:27:52,591 [Toobin] Before Black, Manafort & Stone, 520 00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:57,631 it was considered somewhat distasteful for campaign types 521 00:27:57,718 --> 00:28:00,008 to immediately go into lobbying, 522 00:28:00,095 --> 00:28:02,675 trying to influence the people they just elected. 523 00:28:03,307 --> 00:28:06,977 What Black, Manafort & Stone said was, "We're unapologetic." 524 00:28:07,561 --> 00:28:10,561 We got this guy elected, and now we're going to make money 525 00:28:10,647 --> 00:28:13,317 "by charging for access to his administration." 526 00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:19,567 There's been a massive expansion of the lobbying sector in Washington. 527 00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:22,276 Some of them are so powerful and successful 528 00:28:22,368 --> 00:28:23,408 that we don't question it. 529 00:28:23,452 --> 00:28:25,572 We just assume it's a fact of American political life. 530 00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:29,670 [Toobin] Black, Manafort & Stone, in their brazenness, 531 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:34,000 really created the modern sleazeball lobbyist. 532 00:28:34,087 --> 00:28:35,356 [Harry Siegel] They elected people. 533 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:38,090 As soon as those people were in office, they lobbied them. 534 00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:41,474 And so they crossed a line that hadn't been crossed. 535 00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:43,813 Washington's been worse for it ever since. 536 00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:46,979 [reporter] Paul Manafort of Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly 537 00:28:47,058 --> 00:28:49,308 stands with his partners at the receiving end 538 00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:51,855 of $31 million in subsidies. 539 00:28:51,938 --> 00:28:53,608 I will stipulate for the purpose of today 540 00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:55,752 that you could characterize this as influence peddling. 541 00:28:55,776 --> 00:28:56,936 [congressman] Thank you. 542 00:28:57,027 --> 00:28:59,277 I will bring new people to Washington. 543 00:28:59,363 --> 00:29:02,573 People that come there to serve and not to profit. 544 00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:06,948 We will have the highest possible ethical standards. 545 00:29:07,037 --> 00:29:08,577 We're gonna bring in the best. 546 00:29:08,664 --> 00:29:09,674 [reporter] The best? 547 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,168 Charles Black is a senior advisor to Bush. 548 00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:14,091 So are Paul Manafort and Roger Stone. 549 00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:17,381 And Lee Atwater is George Bush's campaign manager. 550 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:21,344 All these men are partners in a firm that, in 1985, 551 00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:25,347 received $3.4 million in foreign lobbying fees. 552 00:29:25,431 --> 00:29:29,101 Black, Manafort & Stone saw a business opportunity 553 00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:31,694 in being the torturers' lobby. 554 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:35,860 In representing the most distasteful dictators, 555 00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:39,991 Mobutu, Marcos, UNITA in Angola. 556 00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:46,744 They did not care about being acceptable in the salons of Georgetown. 557 00:29:46,827 --> 00:29:49,367 They cared about making money. 558 00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:52,325 You know, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. 559 00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:55,916 [reporter] There are reports of gross human rights abuses in rebel-held areas, 560 00:29:56,002 --> 00:29:59,592 including the burning alive of Savimbi's political opponents. 561 00:29:59,673 --> 00:30:01,263 The Cold War was going on. 562 00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:04,215 You know, I'll take criticism if they give it to Reagan 563 00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:06,893 and the majority of Congress who put the funding in. 564 00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:10,682 [reporter] Tens of thousands of men have been killed or wounded in the fighting. 565 00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:14,607 The US missiles will escalate the war even to a more deadly level. 566 00:30:14,688 --> 00:30:17,268 When people think of Washington corruption, 567 00:30:17,358 --> 00:30:21,108 they think of organizations like Black, Manafort & Stone, 568 00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:24,164 that shook down dictators, took all their money, 569 00:30:24,239 --> 00:30:27,449 and then tried to take America's government 570 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,954 and make them serve the dictators' interest. 571 00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:32,746 You know, it is the swamp. 572 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,331 I'm proud of the job I did at Black, Manafort & Stone, 573 00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:37,167 because I made a lot of money, 574 00:30:37,252 --> 00:30:41,422 and I can't think of anything I did that was either illegal or immoral. 575 00:30:41,507 --> 00:30:44,257 You play by the rules as they're written. 576 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:47,683 When they change the rules, you change the way you play the game. 577 00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:54,098 [Toobin] When you talk to Roger about his business and morality, 578 00:30:54,185 --> 00:30:57,055 he sees morality as a synonym for weakness. 579 00:30:57,147 --> 00:31:01,317 That's something that he's always going to have contempt for. 580 00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:10,044 [Stone] Those who say I have no soul, those who say I have no principles, 581 00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:12,118 are losers. Those are bitter losers. 582 00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:15,293 Everything I have done, everything I have worked for, 583 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:19,424 is to propel ideas and a political philosophy 584 00:31:19,503 --> 00:31:21,513 that I want to see dominant in government. 585 00:31:22,088 --> 00:31:26,178 Donald Trump has now elevated the issues that I believe in. 586 00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:30,469 Anti-elitism, that was first identified by Richard Nixon... 587 00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:34,096 To you, the great silent majority... 588 00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:35,854 [Stone] ...mined by Ronald Reagan... 589 00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:39,356 Government is not the solution to our problem, 590 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,440 government is the problem. 591 00:31:41,525 --> 00:31:42,935 [Stone] ...and now Donald Trump. 592 00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:47,986 The silent majority is back, and we're gonna take the country back. 593 00:31:48,073 --> 00:31:49,783 [crowd cheering] 594 00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:55,456 The image they have of politics is a dirty image of politics. 595 00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:58,669 It's that, um, everybody's for sale. 596 00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:00,590 When Trump talks about, you know, 597 00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:04,089 "I gave my money 'cause I thought I might need a favor later." 598 00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:05,802 Everyone's for sale. 599 00:32:05,882 --> 00:32:08,802 Nobody's there to serve the public good. 600 00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:13,095 It's an anti-government view and an anti-political view and, um... 601 00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:15,851 very lacking in idealism, very cynical. 602 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,564 There's no nobility in it. 603 00:32:17,644 --> 00:32:18,654 The money in politics? 604 00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:21,768 Well, I think there should be, frankly, more transparency. 605 00:32:22,315 --> 00:32:25,395 Because I see a guy like Jeb Bush with $114 million, 606 00:32:25,486 --> 00:32:26,606 which is now higher, 607 00:32:26,695 --> 00:32:28,655 and nobody even knows who put the money in. 608 00:32:28,739 --> 00:32:31,659 And they all control him like a little puppet, okay? 609 00:32:31,742 --> 00:32:32,782 I know half of the people. 610 00:32:32,868 --> 00:32:34,929 I don't know who they are because I can't find it out. 611 00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:37,543 But as soon as I do, I will know most of 'em. 612 00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:39,833 They're friends of mine. I used to be there. 613 00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:41,786 I used to be the king at that, okay? 614 00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:48,051 [crowd cheering] 615 00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:52,893 [Barrett] In 1981, Roger runs Tom Kean's campaign for governor in New Jersey. 616 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,141 Donald is just really getting into 617 00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,933 the throes of casino life in Atlantic City, 618 00:32:58,018 --> 00:33:00,938 so they came together on a common agenda. 619 00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:03,151 [Matt Labash] Trump gave him a lot of casino business. 620 00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:06,441 Roger and Trump, peas in a pod, you know? 621 00:33:06,527 --> 00:33:10,777 Trump is someone, through the '80s, who took enormous risks and succeeded. 622 00:33:10,864 --> 00:33:15,294 Roger represented Donald Trump from Donald Trump's earliest days. 623 00:33:15,869 --> 00:33:20,249 Then the Ethics Commission made a finding against Donald Trump and him 624 00:33:20,331 --> 00:33:23,251 for all of the illegal things that they did. 625 00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:28,546 When Roger wants something, he pursues it with vigor. 626 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,010 Now politics, sort of. 627 00:33:31,092 --> 00:33:34,102 New York developer Donald Trump caused a stir this morning 628 00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:36,719 when he took out an ad in some major newspapers 629 00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:40,097 charging American foreign policy lacks backbone. 630 00:33:40,185 --> 00:33:43,185 Immediately the question came up, is he running for something? 631 00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:48,071 In 1987, I suggested that Trump should explore a bid for the presidency. 632 00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:51,031 This sounds like political presidential talk to me, 633 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:54,582 and I know that people have talked to you about if you wanna run. Would you ever? 634 00:33:54,658 --> 00:33:58,118 Probably not, but I do get tired of seeing what's happening with this country. 635 00:33:58,203 --> 00:34:00,913 And if it got so bad, I would never wanna rule it out totally, 636 00:34:00,997 --> 00:34:04,247 because I really am tired of seeing what's happening with this country. 637 00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:06,044 I was like a jockey looking for a horse. 638 00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:08,417 You can't win the race if you don't have a horse, 639 00:34:08,504 --> 00:34:11,264 and he is a prime piece of political horseflesh in my view. 640 00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:18,558 I interceded with the Portsmouth, New Hampshire Chamber of Commerce 641 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,230 to arrange a lunch. 642 00:34:20,516 --> 00:34:24,146 The helicopter landing was as big a news as his speech. 643 00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:27,771 This is kind of the first time I saw the power of Trump. 644 00:34:28,358 --> 00:34:31,988 The public interest in Trump was palpable. 645 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,070 It was, like, electric. 646 00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:35,704 And he lit the place on fire. 647 00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:38,622 I'm not here today because I'm running for the presidency. 648 00:34:38,702 --> 00:34:41,292 I'm here because I'm personally tired 649 00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:44,211 of seeing this great country of ours being ripped off. 650 00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:46,960 Roger always wanted me to run for president. 651 00:34:47,043 --> 00:34:50,423 And in 1988, he wanted me to run, but I had no interest. 652 00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:52,066 I did a book called The Art of the Deal, 653 00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,470 which was the number one best-seller of the year. 654 00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:55,550 It was a tremendous book. 655 00:34:55,636 --> 00:34:59,346 Roger wanted me to run so badly, and I just didn't want to do it. 656 00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:02,520 What I want is, I want extreme competence. 657 00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,481 I want strength and extreme competence. 658 00:35:05,561 --> 00:35:08,441 [Michael Caputo] In 1988, when I was at the New Orleans convention, 659 00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:10,943 Roger Stone had me setting up chairs in a reception room 660 00:35:11,026 --> 00:35:14,946 for an executive out of New York who I didn't really know, Donald Trump. 661 00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:17,490 Even though his candidate for president, Jack Kemp, 662 00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:19,993 had the possibility of being selected as vice president, 663 00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:22,786 he was squiring Donald Trump around the convention. 664 00:35:22,871 --> 00:35:26,041 You have said that if you ran for president, you'd win. 665 00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,294 I'd have a very good chance. 666 00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,455 I like to win. When I do something, I like to win. 667 00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:33,054 I like to do well, and I think I probably would have a pretty good chance. 668 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,511 Roger saw the value of the outsider image. 669 00:35:36,592 --> 00:35:38,642 He saw the value of somebody 670 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,640 who brought business experience to the political process. 671 00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:45,190 He saw something that nobody else saw back in the early '80s. 672 00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:47,478 Once he'd had conversations with Trump about that, 673 00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:50,022 Trump started to take seriously that maybe he should run. 674 00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:51,826 [Donald Trump] So long. Thanks a lot, folks. 675 00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:13,004 Florida is a great place to live. 676 00:36:13,088 --> 00:36:15,338 It's a sunny place for shady people. 677 00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:18,183 Welcome to Casa del Stone. 678 00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:23,259 This is, uh, where I live with my wife, three cats and three dogs. 679 00:36:23,348 --> 00:36:25,228 And my 91-year-old mother. 680 00:36:25,308 --> 00:36:26,938 Tough as nails. 681 00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:31,228 If you ever saw The Sopranos and you're familiar with Tony's mother, 682 00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:32,734 that's my mother. 683 00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:35,396 These guys are liberal filmmakers. They cannot be trusted. 684 00:36:35,485 --> 00:36:36,485 Hi. 685 00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:37,569 Come here, Sambo. 686 00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:40,283 Sammy is, uh... He's not well. 687 00:36:40,991 --> 00:36:42,081 He's been losing weight. 688 00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:44,618 And we've been taking him back and forth to the vet. 689 00:36:44,703 --> 00:36:46,503 Come here, baby. Give me a kiss. 690 00:36:46,579 --> 00:36:48,289 Give me a kiss. No kiss? No kiss? 691 00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:49,583 Okay. [Kisses] 692 00:36:49,665 --> 00:36:50,665 This is my wife. 693 00:36:50,751 --> 00:36:52,711 We met working on the Reagan campaign, 694 00:36:52,794 --> 00:36:56,764 where she was employed as a photographer for the campaign 695 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,340 and I was working for Reagan as a regional political director. 696 00:37:00,426 --> 00:37:03,256 This is the designated smoking area. 697 00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:05,636 Kind of a contemplative garden. 698 00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:08,431 [man] What do you contemplate out here? 699 00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:11,308 Political strategy and destroying my enemies. 700 00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:15,653 [announcer] And now may I introduce Mr. Roger Stone to all of you. 701 00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,284 [crowd applauding] 702 00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:26,236 Bill Clinton is a Bill Cosby-style sexual predator, 703 00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:32,497 who has preyed on probably hundreds, but at least 27, individual women. 704 00:37:32,583 --> 00:37:36,003 If Bill Cosby is going to be held responsible for his actions, 705 00:37:36,087 --> 00:37:39,377 then Bill Clinton should be held responsible for his actions. 706 00:37:41,217 --> 00:37:45,307 Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis 707 00:37:45,388 --> 00:37:47,428 - of the American body politic. - [crowd laughing] 708 00:37:48,516 --> 00:37:51,186 - Everything you're doing. - Thank you very much. You, too. 709 00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:52,309 - Hey, sir. - How ya doing? 710 00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:53,455 - Pleasure. - Good to see you. 711 00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:55,479 This is my daughter and my granddaughter. 712 00:37:57,317 --> 00:37:59,687 Hello. How are you? 713 00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:01,028 I'm excellent. 714 00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:02,992 - Thanks for coming. - Of course. Of course. 715 00:38:03,073 --> 00:38:04,493 I was going to point out that... 716 00:38:04,574 --> 00:38:06,593 [Danielle Stevens] There's a side of him that they don't see. 717 00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:09,367 The side we get to see. The family side, the loving side. 718 00:38:10,705 --> 00:38:14,625 That persona of the dirty trickster is not what we see at home. 719 00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:17,049 - We do see the trickster. [Laughs] - [Stevens] Yeah. 720 00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:19,758 Hold up your lens up here just a little higher. 721 00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,799 Little higher. Little higher. Little higher. 722 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:23,760 Yeah, that's it. Okay! 723 00:38:25,678 --> 00:38:28,678 [Nydia Stone] I was actually terrified of him the first time I met him. 724 00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:31,354 I walked in his office, and I told him later 725 00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:33,444 that he looked like a Nazi Hitler Youth. 726 00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,109 Nydia taught me how to smile and how to laugh. 727 00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:40,279 Uh, and she's made me a better person. And I'm not complete without her. 728 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,110 [man] You're a Buddhist. Do you think that you centered Roger? 729 00:38:43,196 --> 00:38:45,026 - Yes. - [Stone] She certainly has tried. 730 00:38:45,531 --> 00:38:49,201 And I think, in some cases, she has been effective in doing so. 731 00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:51,615 - [Nydia] Centered and censored. - [chuckles] 732 00:38:51,704 --> 00:38:53,124 And sometimes I need both. 733 00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:56,669 And with Nydia, I got instant family. 734 00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:58,921 I got children. I got grandchildren. 735 00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:00,384 I got a mother-in-law. 736 00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,593 All things that I didn't have with my first wife. 737 00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:05,093 So I became a family man overnight. 738 00:39:05,801 --> 00:39:07,391 [crowd cheering] 739 00:39:08,138 --> 00:39:10,268 He is a political strategist, 740 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:14,348 and he was just named the senior advisor to the Dole presidential campaign. 741 00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:16,163 That should be an interesting job in the next few months. 742 00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,517 - Roger Stone! - [crowd cheering] 743 00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:19,606 Roger... 744 00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:22,941 I think we've got this figured out. We've got the slogan. 745 00:39:23,028 --> 00:39:24,398 "Bob Dole and Jack Kemp. 746 00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:27,367 Together they offer the people 133 years of experience." 747 00:39:27,448 --> 00:39:29,078 [all laughing] 748 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,039 [crowd chanting] We want Bob! We want Bob! 749 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,330 [Dole] Thank you. 750 00:39:33,413 --> 00:39:38,003 I can't imagine Roger being less excited to work with a presidential candidate 751 00:39:38,084 --> 00:39:39,464 than he was with Bob Dole. 752 00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:43,424 There are endless reasons to end the failed presidency of Bill Clinton. 753 00:39:43,506 --> 00:39:48,046 But renewing the strength of America by restoring our social and moral order 754 00:39:48,136 --> 00:39:51,006 has got to be somewhere near the top of that list. 755 00:39:51,097 --> 00:39:54,637 The Dole-Kemp ticket was still counting on the evangelical vote 756 00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:55,725 to defeat the Clintons. 757 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:57,900 In fact, if you look at the numbers back then, 758 00:39:57,979 --> 00:40:00,649 there was no way they could win unless they had that vote. 759 00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:02,111 There's no doubt about it 760 00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:05,282 that many American people have lost their faith in government. 761 00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:09,494 They see scandals almost on a daily basis. 762 00:40:09,574 --> 00:40:12,744 They see ethical problems in the White House today. 763 00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:14,930 [man] Do you think that's a legitimate issue? 764 00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:17,634 I do. I think the character of the president of the United States... 765 00:40:17,665 --> 00:40:19,875 [man] Do you think this issue of marital fidelity, 766 00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:22,299 which you keep blaming on the media, is a legitimate issue? 767 00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:25,008 This is something the voters are gonna wanna know about, yeah. 768 00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:26,409 [Carlson] Roger could have become 769 00:40:26,466 --> 00:40:29,256 much more successful in conventional terms than he did. 770 00:40:29,344 --> 00:40:32,314 And the reason he didn't is because he self-sabotaged. 771 00:40:32,388 --> 00:40:33,848 [reporter] There was once a time 772 00:40:33,932 --> 00:40:37,022 when political consultants were unknown and unseen. 773 00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:38,102 No more. 774 00:40:40,355 --> 00:40:44,225 Some of the tabloids say a Republican strategist, Roger Stone, 775 00:40:44,317 --> 00:40:46,737 a partner in the prestigious Washington lobbying firm 776 00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:48,449 of Davis, Manafort & Stone, 777 00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:51,069 has been advertising for sex in swinger magazines 778 00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:52,777 along with his wife, Nydia. 779 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:56,160 He joins us from Washington. 780 00:40:56,246 --> 00:40:58,206 - Good to have you with us. - [Stone] Surely. 781 00:40:58,289 --> 00:40:59,350 [reporter] Do I quote you correctly, 782 00:40:59,374 --> 00:41:01,694 that these ads were planted by someone else out to get you? 783 00:41:01,751 --> 00:41:03,341 Yes, indeed, um... 784 00:41:03,419 --> 00:41:05,589 An exhaustive investigation now indicates 785 00:41:05,672 --> 00:41:09,722 that a domestic employee who I discharged for substance abuse... 786 00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:13,551 on the second time that we learned that he had a drug problem, 787 00:41:13,638 --> 00:41:15,268 is the perpetrator. 788 00:41:15,931 --> 00:41:19,391 I'm deeply troubled by this notion of paid sources 789 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:22,607 who can say anything anonymously about you. 790 00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:25,608 Provide no photographs, no proof, no documents. 791 00:41:25,691 --> 00:41:26,781 You know, it's very hard. 792 00:41:26,859 --> 00:41:30,239 My granddaughter, who's seven years old, said to my wife on Sunday, 793 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,531 "Why are they doing this to you, Grandma?" 794 00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:34,365 It's a very hard question to answer. 795 00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:36,580 [reporter] All right, appreciate you joining us. 796 00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:38,451 - Thanks for being here. - Glad to be here. 797 00:41:38,538 --> 00:41:42,248 Roger Stone's first impulse was to deny. 798 00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,343 In fact, if you look at Stone's Rules, 799 00:41:44,419 --> 00:41:47,339 one of the rules is "deny, deny, deny, deny." 800 00:41:47,422 --> 00:41:49,342 And he began by following his own rules. 801 00:41:49,424 --> 00:41:52,594 'Cause it wasn't until much later that he admitted that everything was true. 802 00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:55,007 The National Enquirer scandal, 803 00:41:55,096 --> 00:41:58,266 which I'm not interested in rehashing at great length, 804 00:41:58,433 --> 00:42:01,893 uh, probably required that I be even more of an outlaw. 805 00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:04,477 I never ran for public office. 806 00:42:04,564 --> 00:42:09,114 So how I conduct myself in my private life is nobody's business. 807 00:42:09,194 --> 00:42:11,404 Did you hear about this? This guy, Roger Stone, 808 00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:14,237 top Republican advisor for Bob Dole, 809 00:42:14,324 --> 00:42:17,834 has now been accused of going to sex clubs with his wife. 810 00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:19,410 It's unbelievable, isn't it? 811 00:42:19,495 --> 00:42:23,995 On the other hand, this gives you an idea how conservative the Dole campaign is. 812 00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:27,247 This guy is in trouble for having sex with his wife! 813 00:42:27,337 --> 00:42:29,917 That's how conservative those people are. Having... 814 00:42:30,005 --> 00:42:31,465 [crowd applauding] 815 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,930 [Labash] I think something snapped in him when the swinger scandal happened, 816 00:42:36,011 --> 00:42:37,641 and he got chased out of Washington. 817 00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:41,772 And he just said, "Eff this. What do I need this for anymore?" 818 00:42:41,851 --> 00:42:43,481 What the '96 scandal meant 819 00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:46,731 is that Roger was never gonna be the out-front political genius. 820 00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:49,654 The Karl Rove, the David Axelrod. 821 00:42:49,734 --> 00:42:52,614 He was always gonna have to operate in the shadows. 822 00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:55,525 If it weren't for 1996 and all the trouble he had, 823 00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:59,025 maybe Roger wouldn't have embraced the kind of, you know, 824 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,999 darker side of his capacity, of his talents. 825 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,500 If there hadn't been a sex scandal in 1996, 826 00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,462 we might have had a President Al Gore. 827 00:43:12,757 --> 00:43:15,507 They always return to the scene of the crime. 828 00:43:17,845 --> 00:43:19,505 [crowd chanting] We want Bush! 829 00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,477 We want Bush! We want Bush! 830 00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:24,978 We want Gore! We want Gore! 831 00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:29,520 This is where the recount of the 2000 presidential contest took place. 832 00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:31,357 This is where the recount ended. 833 00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:35,782 This is where George W. Bush became president of the United States. 834 00:43:35,863 --> 00:43:37,873 [reporter 1] Good grief. Look at that. Eleven. 835 00:43:37,948 --> 00:43:39,948 [reporter 2] Eleven. That means automatic recount. 836 00:43:40,034 --> 00:43:41,887 [William Daley] There is one state left to be decided, 837 00:43:41,911 --> 00:43:44,461 and we believe when those votes are counted 838 00:43:44,539 --> 00:43:47,379 and that process is complete, totally complete, 839 00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:50,298 Al Gore will have won the Electoral College and the popular vote 840 00:43:50,378 --> 00:43:52,668 and, therefore, is... will be the next president. 841 00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:56,425 [reporter] The hand recount in Florida will continue, and the votes will count. 842 00:43:56,509 --> 00:43:59,849 That, according to a unanimous ruling from Florida Supreme Court last night. 843 00:43:59,929 --> 00:44:02,059 Vice President Al Gore praised the decision, saying, 844 00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:05,100 "It allows for a full and accurate counting of the ballots." 845 00:44:05,185 --> 00:44:07,935 This is a street fight for the presidency of the United States. 846 00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:11,980 I want our protestors down there in Palm Beach, Tallahassee, and Miami. 847 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:13,066 Call Roger Stone. 848 00:44:13,151 --> 00:44:16,111 [Stone] In 2000, my old friend Jim Baker called me 849 00:44:16,196 --> 00:44:20,486 and asked me to go to Miami-Dade to work on the recount. 850 00:44:20,575 --> 00:44:24,115 I thought it was vitally important that we matched the Democrats 851 00:44:24,204 --> 00:44:28,834 in terms of protesters who wanted an end to the 2000 presidential election. 852 00:44:28,916 --> 00:44:31,586 This country was born on civil disobedience 853 00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:34,879 and the will of the people standing up against the powerful! 854 00:44:34,964 --> 00:44:37,344 There's nothing wrong with Clinton getting his dick sucked 855 00:44:37,425 --> 00:44:39,255 in the middle of the Oval Office, is there? 856 00:44:39,344 --> 00:44:40,934 This is where the trailer was set up 857 00:44:41,011 --> 00:44:44,311 to communicate with our operatives inside the building. 858 00:44:45,015 --> 00:44:46,385 [woman] He's got a ballot! 859 00:44:47,101 --> 00:44:48,101 He stole a ballot! 860 00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,806 [Stone] When some of my operatives reported 861 00:44:50,896 --> 00:44:52,226 that two democratic commissioners 862 00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:54,855 were attempting to take a sheaf of ballots, 863 00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:56,782 remove them from the counting room, 864 00:44:56,861 --> 00:45:00,701 which was being viewed by reporters and lawyers for both sides, 865 00:45:00,781 --> 00:45:04,291 and take them to a small anteroom without windows, 866 00:45:04,369 --> 00:45:08,209 this is what sparked the so-called Brooks Brothers Riot. 867 00:45:08,289 --> 00:45:09,749 [clamoring] 868 00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:13,592 I said, "Flood the hall and don't let them shut that door." 869 00:45:13,669 --> 00:45:16,009 [crowd chanting] Let us in! Let us in! 870 00:45:16,088 --> 00:45:17,733 [Toobin] They started banging on the doors 871 00:45:17,757 --> 00:45:22,717 and were intimidating the people who were counting the ballots to stop. 872 00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:24,763 And they did stop. 873 00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:28,137 So Al Gore could not gain any votes. 874 00:45:29,352 --> 00:45:35,362 That was critical in making sure that the results in Florida, 875 00:45:35,441 --> 00:45:38,531 certifying George Bush as the winner, stood. 876 00:45:38,611 --> 00:45:40,531 [crowd chanting] Let us in! Let us in! 877 00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:46,623 Most people, they want to underplay anything they did wrong or improper. 878 00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:49,002 And with Roger, what you have to worry about 879 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:54,289 is that he's lying to make himself worse than he actually was. 880 00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:57,837 The history of the 2000 recount was essentially written by Roger Stone, 881 00:45:57,922 --> 00:46:01,342 and he wrote himself in, in a pretty big role. 882 00:46:01,426 --> 00:46:04,086 He was sitting next to Washington as they crossed the Delaware. 883 00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:06,638 He was with Eisenhower on D-Day. 884 00:46:06,722 --> 00:46:10,062 He was cradling Bobby Kennedy in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel. 885 00:46:10,142 --> 00:46:13,772 [laughing] I mean, he really sort of put himself there. 886 00:46:13,854 --> 00:46:15,154 I mean, Roger was there. 887 00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:17,225 But let me ask you, 888 00:46:17,317 --> 00:46:21,027 is it more brilliant and impressive to influence world events 889 00:46:21,111 --> 00:46:24,161 or to stand on the periphery of world events 890 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,489 and yet get recorded as having influenced world events? 891 00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:28,576 Maybe the latter. 892 00:46:29,036 --> 00:46:31,616 Yeah, I think he played a role in the Brooks Brothers Riot. 893 00:46:31,706 --> 00:46:33,326 I don't dispute that. 894 00:46:33,416 --> 00:46:35,286 But I'm the only one to approach 895 00:46:35,376 --> 00:46:39,756 what I think is the best story I've ever done on Roger. 896 00:46:40,548 --> 00:46:44,218 I don't believe George W. Bush would have ever been president of the United States 897 00:46:44,302 --> 00:46:46,142 if it wasn't for Roger Stone. 898 00:46:48,473 --> 00:46:50,563 We're back now at 9:40 Eastern Time. 899 00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:53,141 Ross Perot proves to be a major factor here tonight. 900 00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:54,907 The Bush campaign headquarters in Houston, 901 00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:58,357 they believe that Ross Perot may have cost them the presidency. 902 00:46:58,441 --> 00:46:59,531 Thank you. 903 00:46:59,609 --> 00:47:05,569 [Barrett] When George H. W. Bush loses in 1992, we all know the reason he lost. 904 00:47:05,656 --> 00:47:08,076 It was the Reform Party and Ross Perot. 905 00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:12,158 [Stone] The Reform Party was drawing a disproportionate number of votes 906 00:47:12,246 --> 00:47:13,616 from the Republicans. 907 00:47:13,706 --> 00:47:17,326 Bill Clinton, the great politician, he never got 50% in any election. 908 00:47:17,418 --> 00:47:19,998 No Ross Perot, no Bill Clinton. 909 00:47:20,087 --> 00:47:23,217 [Barrett] So when the son is running in 2000, 910 00:47:23,298 --> 00:47:26,088 and the Reform Party is still on the ballot 911 00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:28,546 in every state in the United States, 912 00:47:28,638 --> 00:47:30,678 then they're very concerned 913 00:47:30,765 --> 00:47:35,435 about who is going to wind up the Reform Party candidate for president. 914 00:47:36,937 --> 00:47:40,567 Today, I am ending my lifelong membership in the Republican Party 915 00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:45,150 and I'm declaring my intention to seek the nomination of the Reform Party 916 00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:47,987 for the presidency of the United States of America. 917 00:47:48,073 --> 00:47:49,453 [crowd cheering] 918 00:47:49,534 --> 00:47:52,244 [Barrett] Roger Stone comes up with the brilliant idea 919 00:47:52,327 --> 00:47:55,247 of getting Pat Buchanan out of the Republican line 920 00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:57,630 and to get him to run for the Reform Party. 921 00:47:58,209 --> 00:48:00,749 [Stone] Yes, I... I encourage him to run, 922 00:48:01,253 --> 00:48:05,553 but I also, yeah, I have an interest in the Reform Party imploding at that point. 923 00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:08,987 [reporter] Just when Buchanan hoped to have the political stage to himself, 924 00:48:09,011 --> 00:48:10,011 he was trumped. 925 00:48:10,095 --> 00:48:12,215 Businessman Donald Trump announcing today, 926 00:48:12,306 --> 00:48:15,266 he too will switch from the GOP to the Reform Party 927 00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:17,690 and may even seek its presidential nomination. 928 00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:20,610 And if he does, he says, it will not be just a publicity stunt 929 00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:23,860 for his empire of office buildings, casinos and hotels. 930 00:48:23,943 --> 00:48:26,993 He will run to win, he says, despite his reputation. 931 00:48:27,071 --> 00:48:29,071 When Donald Trump announces that he's going to run, 932 00:48:29,156 --> 00:48:31,116 it completely throws everything into chaos. 933 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,250 George, should the American people take the Reform Party seriously? 934 00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:37,459 Well, not if Donald Trump is their leader. 935 00:48:38,165 --> 00:48:41,535 [reporter] Donald Trump is being supported by a fellow named Roger Stone, 936 00:48:41,627 --> 00:48:43,207 who is a longtime political activist 937 00:48:43,295 --> 00:48:46,045 who had worked for Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. 938 00:48:46,131 --> 00:48:49,301 It looks to me like Pat Buchanan is going to get in the water, 939 00:48:49,384 --> 00:48:51,684 and a Trump-Buchanan race, it'd be a great race. 940 00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:54,352 It's unexpected. No one sees it coming. 941 00:48:54,431 --> 00:48:55,681 And to make matters worse, 942 00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:58,266 Trump doesn't exactly run for the nomination 943 00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:01,272 so much as he runs against Pat Buchanan. 944 00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:05,185 He's a Hitler lover. I guess he's an anti-Semite. 945 00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:07,435 He doesn't like the blacks. He doesn't like the gays. 946 00:49:07,528 --> 00:49:09,658 [reporter] What's wrong with Pat Buchanan? 947 00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:11,945 Well, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? 948 00:49:12,032 --> 00:49:15,542 He's obviously in love with Adolf Hitler in some form, 949 00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:18,500 and I don't think the Reform Party should be taking losers. 950 00:49:18,581 --> 00:49:19,831 Have a good time. 951 00:49:19,915 --> 00:49:24,795 Bear in mind that the arch-strategist of the Trump campaign is Roger Stone. 952 00:49:24,879 --> 00:49:28,969 Do you think that Roger is up to something here that deserves closer inspection? 953 00:49:29,049 --> 00:49:30,649 Well, Roger's always been a little arch. 954 00:49:30,676 --> 00:49:32,636 Uh, I don't know that he's the arch-strategist. 955 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,020 Do you think that Trump is just a stalking horse for, say, George Bush? 956 00:49:38,392 --> 00:49:41,942 [Timothy Stanley] Stone goes overnight from backing Buchanan to backing Trump, 957 00:49:42,021 --> 00:49:46,031 it's very hard not to conclude that Stone had intended all along 958 00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:47,988 to undermine Buchanan's candidacy 959 00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:51,408 in order to make the Reform nomination completely untenable, 960 00:49:51,488 --> 00:49:54,238 and thus give Bush a clearer shot at the presidency. 961 00:49:54,324 --> 00:49:57,204 Political observers this morning are still wondering 962 00:49:57,286 --> 00:50:01,036 what Donald Trump really wants. Is he running for president, 963 00:50:01,123 --> 00:50:03,633 or just getting his name and face on television? 964 00:50:04,334 --> 00:50:08,344 [Barrett] He was in the game enough to get a tease to the national news media, 965 00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:09,722 and then out of the game. 966 00:50:09,799 --> 00:50:11,719 I'm ashamed of this party! 967 00:50:11,801 --> 00:50:12,944 [reporter] Political pros say 968 00:50:12,968 --> 00:50:15,113 that to have any impact on the race for the White House, 969 00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:17,927 the Reform Party will have to shed its image as a circus. 970 00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:20,515 [man] We will not have mob rule in this party. 971 00:50:20,601 --> 00:50:22,691 [Barrett] Now, what Roger freely admitted to me, 972 00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:25,110 is that he had known since the Nixon days 973 00:50:25,189 --> 00:50:28,109 that Pat Buchanan had an illegitimate child. 974 00:50:28,192 --> 00:50:31,072 Nominating somebody for the president of the United States 975 00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:34,823 whose name will appear on the ballot in all 50 states, 976 00:50:34,907 --> 00:50:38,617 who you are blackmailing at the same time so that he won't really run. 977 00:50:38,703 --> 00:50:40,753 That's not just a dirty trick. 978 00:50:40,830 --> 00:50:43,250 That's a transformation of democracy. 979 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,420 [Stone] The allegation that I spread the rumor 980 00:50:48,503 --> 00:50:50,843 that Pat Buchanan had an illegitimate child, 981 00:50:50,923 --> 00:50:52,553 this all comes from Wayne Barrett. 982 00:50:52,633 --> 00:50:55,183 Wayne Barrett is full of shit. It's false. 983 00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:58,390 [Stanley] Pat Buchanan got less than half a percent of the vote. 984 00:50:58,472 --> 00:51:00,472 That was humiliating. 985 00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:03,557 Humiliating for him, for the Reform Party, 986 00:51:03,644 --> 00:51:09,654 and arguably it put the entire third party campaign effort back by decades. 987 00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:16,124 After the Reform Party cost the Republicans the White House in '92, 988 00:51:16,198 --> 00:51:17,868 again in '96... 989 00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:23,960 Yeah, I may have played some role in derailing them as a party. 990 00:51:27,167 --> 00:51:30,207 Roger Stone knows how to do the triple bank shot. 991 00:51:30,295 --> 00:51:32,165 The one that nobody else can do. 992 00:51:32,256 --> 00:51:35,046 And it ends up changing the face of a campaign. 993 00:51:35,134 --> 00:51:37,394 Changing the whole tenor of a debate. 994 00:51:38,012 --> 00:51:39,682 Shifting the entire paradigm. 995 00:51:39,764 --> 00:51:42,274 People today say that they like doing dirty tricks. 996 00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:43,929 They're pikers compared to Roger. 997 00:51:44,018 --> 00:51:46,978 Roger has raised it to an absolute art form. 998 00:51:48,147 --> 00:51:49,937 [indistinct chatter] 999 00:51:52,818 --> 00:51:57,568 Sometimes you confuse me with the Stephen Colbert character 1000 00:51:57,657 --> 00:52:00,657 that I sometimes play called Roger Stone. 1001 00:52:00,743 --> 00:52:03,953 Don't... don't confuse him with the real Roger Stone. 1002 00:52:04,747 --> 00:52:07,917 - [man] What's the difference? - You'll have to sort that out. 1003 00:52:08,876 --> 00:52:10,836 [Steve Malzberg] Joining me now, Roger Stone, 1004 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,550 political consultant and strategist. And great to see you. 1005 00:52:14,631 --> 00:52:17,761 There is a Hillary-Nixon connection that's very historic and important. 1006 00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:22,513 In 1964, Hillary Clinton was fired from the House Nixon Impeachment Committee 1007 00:52:22,597 --> 00:52:24,557 for leaking and lying. 1008 00:52:24,641 --> 00:52:27,481 Now, she held this grudge for 40 years. 1009 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:31,321 Hillary repeatedly blocking Nixon from meeting with Clinton. 1010 00:52:31,398 --> 00:52:33,528 Finally, Clinton overrules her. 1011 00:52:33,608 --> 00:52:35,858 Nixon and Clinton meet, and they hit it off. 1012 00:52:35,945 --> 00:52:37,315 And Nixon met Hillary. 1013 00:52:37,404 --> 00:52:39,007 I said, "Mr. President, what did you think?" 1014 00:52:39,031 --> 00:52:41,871 - He said, "She's cold. Cold as ice." - [chuckles] 1015 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,480 [man] You're doing a documentary? 1016 00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:46,286 Yes, this gentleman's doing a documentary. 1017 00:52:46,371 --> 00:52:49,541 He's one of those dangerous liberal, pinko, left-wing... 1018 00:52:49,624 --> 00:52:50,924 I hate people like you. 1019 00:52:51,001 --> 00:52:53,671 Homosexual, New York Times commies, but he's not a bad guy. 1020 00:52:53,754 --> 00:52:55,134 I know who they are. 1021 00:52:55,214 --> 00:52:58,804 Part of the reason we've always paid attention to Roger, 1022 00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:01,264 is he just looks different from everyone else. 1023 00:53:01,345 --> 00:53:04,885 You know, here we have a bodybuilding dandy. 1024 00:53:04,974 --> 00:53:07,394 A category, as far as I'm concerned, of one. 1025 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:14,730 [announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, the Prince of Darkness, Roger J. Stone. 1026 00:53:14,817 --> 00:53:18,237 I am no longer a Republican. I joined the Libertarian Party. 1027 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,280 [Toobin] I do think he is really alienated from the contemporary Republican Party. 1028 00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:27,657 He is, I think, spiritually, and now politically, a libertarian. 1029 00:53:27,747 --> 00:53:29,997 From the time that I was a Young Republican, 1030 00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:31,882 I always had a libertarian streak. 1031 00:53:31,959 --> 00:53:37,209 I have always been pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-marijuana. 1032 00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:39,051 As a Libertarian-Republican, 1033 00:53:39,133 --> 00:53:41,553 I've always believed in gay marriage equality. 1034 00:53:41,635 --> 00:53:47,215 It's a civil right that equal access is guaranteed by the Constitution. 1035 00:53:47,307 --> 00:53:50,517 So, uh, I'm going to the Gay Pride parade today. 1036 00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:52,900 [crowd cheering] 1037 00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:58,780 [woman] Let's welcome the Log Cabin Republicans! 1038 00:53:58,861 --> 00:53:59,991 [cheering] 1039 00:54:02,447 --> 00:54:06,697 The Log Cabin Republicans is the nation's only organization of Republicans 1040 00:54:06,786 --> 00:54:12,246 who support fairness, freedom and equality for gay and lesbian Americans. 1041 00:54:15,169 --> 00:54:16,249 [booing] 1042 00:54:17,838 --> 00:54:20,758 He may have, as a result of his personal life, 1043 00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:24,846 some authentic beliefs at the age of 60 or 61. 1044 00:54:24,929 --> 00:54:29,559 I think he's internalized some of the gay rights agenda. 1045 00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:33,731 I think he's internalized some of the pro-drug agenda. 1046 00:54:35,647 --> 00:54:39,397 After the scandal devours him in 1996... 1047 00:54:39,484 --> 00:54:41,034 Since he's been rejected 1048 00:54:41,111 --> 00:54:45,031 and essentially thrown out of mainstream Republican politics, 1049 00:54:45,115 --> 00:54:50,955 he doesn't really have any choice but to figure out some third-party avenue. 1050 00:54:51,038 --> 00:54:55,498 And so he's looking for a reprise of 2000. 1051 00:54:55,584 --> 00:55:00,344 He's looking to see if he can find an angle where he can matter. 1052 00:55:04,051 --> 00:55:08,101 I've stayed away from Roger, personally, because he's so charming, 1053 00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:10,520 and you can see the ways in which he distorts the reporters 1054 00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:11,889 who are around that charm. 1055 00:55:11,976 --> 00:55:15,646 At the same time, there's no way to avoid writing about him, 1056 00:55:15,729 --> 00:55:19,729 since he's been everywhere dark and ugly in our politics for many, many years. 1057 00:55:20,234 --> 00:55:23,244 In 2004, he's blamed for forging the documents 1058 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,200 that destroyed Dan Rather's career and also helped re-elect President Bush. 1059 00:55:27,282 --> 00:55:28,426 [Terry McAuliffe] Roger Stone, 1060 00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:30,330 an old dirty trickster from the Nixon days, 1061 00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:32,960 may have been involved in the production of these documents. 1062 00:55:33,038 --> 00:55:35,368 Look, politics is a rough-and-tumble business, 1063 00:55:35,457 --> 00:55:36,827 but this is just a cheap shot. 1064 00:55:36,917 --> 00:55:37,997 [applause] 1065 00:55:38,085 --> 00:55:41,375 [Siegel] That same year, Stone consulted for Al Sharpton's presidential run 1066 00:55:41,463 --> 00:55:44,223 that helped disrupt the Democratic primary process. 1067 00:55:44,299 --> 00:55:48,259 What Stone is in this for, is to use Sharpton as a disruptive force. 1068 00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,675 Some out there who follow presidential politics 1069 00:55:51,765 --> 00:55:53,515 ascribe to you magical powers, 1070 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,230 consider you the puppet master of the Sharpton campaign. 1071 00:55:56,311 --> 00:55:58,521 Look, Roger's always been an outlaw 1072 00:55:58,605 --> 00:56:02,935 and drawn to like-minded outlaws, like Sharpton, like Trump. 1073 00:56:03,027 --> 00:56:06,107 I don't think that's changed at all. What's changed is the country. 1074 00:56:06,696 --> 00:56:09,816 [Siegel] A few years later, he took credit for bringing down his nemesis, 1075 00:56:09,909 --> 00:56:11,619 New York governor Eliot Spitzer. 1076 00:56:11,701 --> 00:56:15,081 I am deeply sorry that I did not live up to what was expected of me. 1077 00:56:15,164 --> 00:56:17,424 I am resigning from the office of governor. 1078 00:56:17,499 --> 00:56:21,589 [Siegel] He says he got a tip from a hooker in a sex club. 1079 00:56:21,962 --> 00:56:24,552 You had heard that the governor liked to wear his socks 1080 00:56:24,631 --> 00:56:26,631 when he engaged in sexual activities? 1081 00:56:26,716 --> 00:56:30,046 I ask you, Dominic, what kind of guy does it with his socks on? 1082 00:56:30,137 --> 00:56:31,757 Sounds like Eliot Spitzer to me. 1083 00:56:31,846 --> 00:56:35,096 [Toobin] Roger understands the dark heart of the media 1084 00:56:35,184 --> 00:56:38,524 even better than we understand ourselves sometimes. 1085 00:56:38,604 --> 00:56:41,324 Because if he tells us 1086 00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:44,478 that Eliot Spitzer was wearing black socks when he had sex, 1087 00:56:44,568 --> 00:56:47,358 he knew that that would be irresistible, 1088 00:56:47,446 --> 00:56:51,326 even if it had absolutely nothing to do with the truth at all. 1089 00:56:51,825 --> 00:56:53,344 [man] What do you say to people who say, 1090 00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:57,498 "It's awfully convenient that you happened to meet a prostitute 1091 00:56:57,581 --> 00:57:01,211 who was involved with Eliot Spitzer, given your animus toward Eliot Spitzer"? 1092 00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:03,463 Uh, there are skeptics everywhere. 1093 00:57:04,879 --> 00:57:07,129 Stone's so desperate to stay in the public eye, 1094 00:57:07,216 --> 00:57:09,336 that he peddles garbage conspiracy theories. 1095 00:57:09,426 --> 00:57:12,176 Like the supposed tape of Michelle Obama saying "whitey." 1096 00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:15,472 Roger, you can't just say that and say you have no proof for it 1097 00:57:15,557 --> 00:57:16,927 and make a comment like that. 1098 00:57:17,017 --> 00:57:18,727 No, no, no. Let me finish. 1099 00:57:18,810 --> 00:57:21,270 [Siegel] And worse, the now infamous "birther" lie 1100 00:57:21,355 --> 00:57:23,975 that President Barack Obama is a secret Muslim 1101 00:57:24,066 --> 00:57:26,856 and a Manchurian president who wasn't really born in America. 1102 00:57:26,944 --> 00:57:29,984 [reporter] Donald Trump's one of the last people that was still touting that, 1103 00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:32,910 because Roger Stone and he were conspiring one day 1104 00:57:32,992 --> 00:57:35,542 and Roger giggled and rubbed his hands together and said, 1105 00:57:35,619 --> 00:57:38,079 "I can get the real birth certificate from Kenya." 1106 00:57:38,163 --> 00:57:39,913 And Trump, you know, went and believed it. 1107 00:57:39,999 --> 00:57:42,629 If he wasn't born in this country, 1108 00:57:42,709 --> 00:57:44,854 - it's one of the great scams of all time. - [Bill O'Reilly] Absolutely. 1109 00:57:44,878 --> 00:57:47,128 - But I don't think that's the case. - Well, you don't... 1110 00:57:47,756 --> 00:57:50,068 There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like. 1111 00:57:50,092 --> 00:57:51,152 [Whoopi Goldberg] Oh, my God! 1112 00:57:51,176 --> 00:57:53,636 - That's a terrible thing to say! - [all arguing] 1113 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,850 Have you ever heard of any white president asked to be shown their birth certificate? 1114 00:57:57,933 --> 00:58:01,353 When you become a president of the United States of America, 1115 00:58:01,436 --> 00:58:03,556 you know that he is American. 1116 00:58:03,647 --> 00:58:05,437 I'm sorry, that's BS. 1117 00:58:05,524 --> 00:58:10,204 Why is Donald Trump so happy to throw himself into the "birther" pool? 1118 00:58:10,279 --> 00:58:14,529 Longtime Trump casino lobbyist and GOP advisor Roger Stone told Politico. 1119 00:58:14,616 --> 00:58:18,866 "Personally, I think it is brilliant. It's base building. 1120 00:58:18,953 --> 00:58:23,383 It gives voice to a concern shared by many on the right." 1121 00:58:23,458 --> 00:58:26,498 Is there such a thing as coded appeals to racist sentiment? 1122 00:58:26,586 --> 00:58:29,666 - There is such a thing. - [Stone] Of course, but I see none here. 1123 00:58:29,756 --> 00:58:30,984 Okay, as far as you're concerned. 1124 00:58:31,008 --> 00:58:33,008 The whole "birther" movement, 1125 00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:38,433 which was so crazy and so wrong and so racist, 1126 00:58:38,515 --> 00:58:42,805 that is the basis of Trump's political appeal. 1127 00:58:47,566 --> 00:58:49,186 [crowd cheering] 1128 00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:52,530 [Trump] Ladies and gentlemen, 1129 00:58:53,113 --> 00:58:55,203 I am officially running... 1130 00:58:55,282 --> 00:58:56,782 [crowd cheering] 1131 00:58:57,534 --> 00:59:00,414 For president of the United States, 1132 00:59:00,495 --> 00:59:05,165 and we are going to make our country great again. 1133 00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:07,250 What's your precise role with Donald Trump? 1134 00:59:07,335 --> 00:59:09,015 - Are you a paid advisor? - Uh... I am now. 1135 00:59:09,088 --> 00:59:13,588 I'm just helping as a general communications strategist, I guess. 1136 00:59:13,675 --> 00:59:16,515 People get the impression that this is performance art for Donald Trump. 1137 00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:19,513 Is he serious about being president of the United States? 1138 00:59:19,598 --> 00:59:24,098 I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, 1139 00:59:24,186 --> 00:59:27,016 and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. 1140 00:59:27,106 --> 00:59:28,166 - [woman] Yes! - Mark my words. 1141 00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:29,360 Is this a president talking? 1142 00:59:29,441 --> 00:59:30,691 If there is one murder, 1143 00:59:30,775 --> 00:59:34,605 if there is one crime by someone who is not supposed to be in the country, 1144 00:59:34,696 --> 00:59:35,986 that's one crime too many. 1145 00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:40,583 I think Trump has identified a legitimate hot-button issue. 1146 00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:44,830 "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown" 1147 00:59:44,914 --> 00:59:47,884 of Muslims entering the United States 1148 00:59:47,959 --> 00:59:54,879 "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on." 1149 00:59:56,676 --> 00:59:58,676 [Mayer] Roger Stone came to power with Nixon. 1150 00:59:58,762 --> 01:00:01,142 And Nixon, of course, had the Southern strategy, 1151 01:00:01,223 --> 01:00:04,853 which was all about milking people's racial resentments, 1152 01:00:04,934 --> 01:00:07,564 and in the case of Trump, anti-immigrant resentments. 1153 01:00:08,146 --> 01:00:11,226 Working up hate that would turn them against the government 1154 01:00:11,316 --> 01:00:14,186 and against the so-called elites who were in government. 1155 01:00:14,278 --> 01:00:17,198 The political system is a cesspool. 1156 01:00:17,281 --> 01:00:18,281 I've been a lobbyist. 1157 01:00:18,323 --> 01:00:21,033 I worked on the Senate side. I worked on the House side. 1158 01:00:21,118 --> 01:00:22,658 I saw how the sausage are made. 1159 01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:24,834 The whole process is deeply corrupt. 1160 01:00:25,705 --> 01:00:27,615 Trump is the only one who can clean it up. 1161 01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,537 [crowd chanting] Trump! Trump! Trump! 1162 01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:33,166 Trump! Trump! Trump! 1163 01:00:33,255 --> 01:00:37,585 We are going to Washington, DC, 1164 01:00:37,676 --> 01:00:40,926 and we are going to do what? 1165 01:00:41,012 --> 01:00:43,722 Drain the swamp. 1166 01:00:43,807 --> 01:00:45,177 [crowd cheering] 1167 01:00:45,267 --> 01:00:46,767 It is so corrupt. 1168 01:00:46,851 --> 01:00:50,651 The best part is that he's just kicking the political establishment in the balls. 1169 01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:54,980 They are shitting a brick, because he's challenging the status quo. 1170 01:00:55,068 --> 01:00:57,698 All these other candidates are really for the status quo. 1171 01:00:57,779 --> 01:01:03,159 Roger's the ultimate insider, which makes him incredibly good at seeing 1172 01:01:03,243 --> 01:01:06,543 how to package someone he could sell as an outsider. 1173 01:01:06,621 --> 01:01:10,121 We are going to stand up for the American worker 1174 01:01:10,209 --> 01:01:14,589 like nobody has ever stood up for that worker before. 1175 01:01:15,464 --> 01:01:19,054 There is real upset over jobs, over globalization, 1176 01:01:19,133 --> 01:01:23,643 over people losing their sort of status and their incomes. 1177 01:01:23,722 --> 01:01:26,772 You know, there are all kinds of answers to these questions, 1178 01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:29,770 but the answers that he's provided, for the most part, 1179 01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:32,563 are the answers that billionaires are interested in. 1180 01:01:32,647 --> 01:01:37,937 We're also going to eliminate job-killing regulations. 1181 01:01:38,862 --> 01:01:43,782 And lift the restrictions on the production of American energy, 1182 01:01:43,867 --> 01:01:50,287 including shale, oil, natural gas and beautiful, clean coal. 1183 01:01:50,374 --> 01:01:53,214 There's no grassroots movement 1184 01:01:53,293 --> 01:01:57,513 to gut the EPA and give people dirty water and dirty air. 1185 01:01:57,589 --> 01:02:01,929 The only people who are really caring about that are the polluting industries. 1186 01:02:02,010 --> 01:02:04,890 They say I have the most loyal people. Did you ever see that? 1187 01:02:04,971 --> 01:02:06,824 Where I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue 1188 01:02:06,848 --> 01:02:09,598 and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay? 1189 01:02:09,684 --> 01:02:11,404 - It's, like, incredible. - [crowd laughing] 1190 01:02:11,436 --> 01:02:14,606 Roger understands that I've always gotten great ratings, 1191 01:02:14,689 --> 01:02:18,359 whether it's on The Apprentice or virtually any interview, 1192 01:02:18,443 --> 01:02:20,045 and that's why people want to interview me. 1193 01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:23,029 And I think that's one of the things that's always fascinated Roger, 1194 01:02:23,114 --> 01:02:26,414 because, ultimately, it is all about the ratings 1195 01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:29,083 and it is all about people watching and the eyeballs. 1196 01:02:29,162 --> 01:02:33,212 Mr. Trump, you've called women you don't like "fat pigs," 1197 01:02:33,292 --> 01:02:37,502 "dogs," "slobs," and "disgusting animals." 1198 01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:40,207 - Your Twitter account... - Only Rosie O'Donnell. 1199 01:02:40,299 --> 01:02:41,429 [crowd laughing] 1200 01:02:41,508 --> 01:02:44,298 Unlike every other candidate I have ever worked with, 1201 01:02:44,386 --> 01:02:48,136 he is unscripted, he is unrehearsed, he is unhandled. 1202 01:02:48,222 --> 01:02:51,732 Contrast that with Jeb Bush, who looks both bored and annoyed, 1203 01:02:51,810 --> 01:02:56,150 like, "Just... This is mine. Just anoint me and give it to me." 1204 01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:59,070 Father, Father, tell them it's my turn to be king." 1205 01:02:59,150 --> 01:03:00,610 [interviewer] Roger, before you go, 1206 01:03:00,694 --> 01:03:03,784 uh, will you remain with the Donald now throughout the campaign? 1207 01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:06,163 I'll do whatever the Donald asks me to do. 1208 01:03:07,492 --> 01:03:09,053 [reporter] Good evening. It's been 48 hours 1209 01:03:09,077 --> 01:03:11,157 since the first Republican presidential debate, 1210 01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:14,785 and a testy exchange between Donald Trump and moderator Megyn Kelly 1211 01:03:14,874 --> 01:03:16,634 has become a flash point in the campaign. 1212 01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:20,000 [Trump] You know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, uh, 1213 01:03:20,088 --> 01:03:22,668 blood coming out of her wherever. 1214 01:03:22,757 --> 01:03:26,177 Now members of the Republican field are lining up to criticize him. 1215 01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:29,680 And word this evening that an advisor and a longtime friend of Trump's 1216 01:03:29,764 --> 01:03:31,484 has resigned from the campaign. 1217 01:03:31,558 --> 01:03:33,388 Trump says he fired him. 1218 01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:34,807 [Trump] Roger Stone's a nice guy, 1219 01:03:34,894 --> 01:03:37,774 but I let him go because I really wasn't using him, 1220 01:03:37,856 --> 01:03:41,736 and he liked to get a lot of publicity for himself, which I didn't want. 1221 01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:44,068 He's real, he's genuine, and it's entertaining. 1222 01:03:44,153 --> 01:03:45,663 That's why he's doing so well. 1223 01:03:46,323 --> 01:03:49,783 - So why'd he fire you? - He didn't. I quit. 1224 01:03:49,868 --> 01:03:52,198 "Oh, you can't fire me. I quit!" 1225 01:03:52,286 --> 01:03:53,906 [all laughing] 1226 01:03:53,997 --> 01:03:56,957 [Labash] Did he get fired or did he quit? I don't know. 1227 01:03:57,041 --> 01:03:59,001 He still hasn't admitted to me that he got fired, 1228 01:03:59,085 --> 01:04:00,955 and I've tried numerous times. 1229 01:04:01,045 --> 01:04:02,545 "Bullshit, you got fired. Come on." 1230 01:04:02,631 --> 01:04:03,631 "No, no, no!" 1231 01:04:03,715 --> 01:04:06,585 Because Roger, you know, Roger the feminist, was really offended 1232 01:04:06,676 --> 01:04:09,296 about what Trump said about Megyn Kelly. 1233 01:04:10,179 --> 01:04:11,929 [Stone] I don't need the Trump campaign 1234 01:04:12,015 --> 01:04:14,055 to generate press coverage for myself, 1235 01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:17,062 and I can get in the tabloids any time I want. 1236 01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:19,855 But to say that you want me to work on your campaign, 1237 01:04:19,939 --> 01:04:21,939 but you don't want me to talk to reporters 1238 01:04:22,025 --> 01:04:23,775 would be like saying to me, 1239 01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:26,570 "I just don't want you to breathe air between now and November." 1240 01:04:26,655 --> 01:04:28,945 If you could just agree not to breathe any air 1241 01:04:29,032 --> 01:04:31,242 "or eat any food, everything will be fine." 1242 01:04:31,325 --> 01:04:35,115 Talking to reporters is what I do. That's my value. 1243 01:04:35,204 --> 01:04:37,874 Roger Stone and I don't agree on anything. [stammers] I don't... 1244 01:04:37,957 --> 01:04:40,747 - He does not represent the Trump campaign. - Not what he says. 1245 01:04:40,835 --> 01:04:42,665 What Roger Stone says and what the truth are 1246 01:04:42,754 --> 01:04:44,554 are two factually very different things. 1247 01:04:44,631 --> 01:04:47,551 [Michael Caputo] There's no question Lewandowski worked behind the scenes 1248 01:04:47,634 --> 01:04:49,554 to get Roger thrown out of the campaign. 1249 01:04:49,636 --> 01:04:52,006 He is an expert at stabbing people in the back. 1250 01:04:52,096 --> 01:04:55,266 That guy's got an incredible capacity for treachery. 1251 01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:58,559 By the way, I spoke to a Polish language expert the other day. 1252 01:04:58,645 --> 01:05:02,855 I was unaware of the fact that Lewandowski, loosely translated, 1253 01:05:02,941 --> 01:05:04,321 means "cocksucker." 1254 01:05:04,984 --> 01:05:09,744 Well, Roger is a tough guy, and Roger will make enemies sometimes 1255 01:05:09,823 --> 01:05:12,413 that I always say, there's no reason for it. 1256 01:05:13,034 --> 01:05:14,204 [Toobin] Roger is older now, 1257 01:05:14,285 --> 01:05:18,995 and I think he sees the Trump campaign, 1258 01:05:19,082 --> 01:05:22,422 at once as his creation, 1259 01:05:22,502 --> 01:05:28,682 but also something that he's not allowed to participate in day to day. 1260 01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:32,508 And that, understandably, makes him sad. 1261 01:05:32,596 --> 01:05:34,386 [Stone] I have no interest in going back. 1262 01:05:34,473 --> 01:05:37,893 Although I strongly support Trump, we have managerial differences. 1263 01:05:37,976 --> 01:05:41,556 And, meanwhile, I'm just making the very best case for him in public that I can, 1264 01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:44,396 'cause I do think he has what it takes. 1265 01:05:44,483 --> 01:05:48,193 There's always this tension between the candidate and his consultant. 1266 01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:52,157 The candidate resents the credit the consultant gets for his words. 1267 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,790 The consultant resents, you know, the fame and fortune the candidate gets 1268 01:05:55,869 --> 01:05:57,329 when he did all the work. 1269 01:05:57,411 --> 01:06:00,461 And Trump hated the fact that Stone was showing up on cable news 1270 01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:03,130 and that people were, you know, calling him Trump's brain. 1271 01:06:03,209 --> 01:06:04,209 So he fired him. 1272 01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:06,253 But it doesn't mean he stopped relying on him. 1273 01:06:06,337 --> 01:06:08,467 It seems to me there is more than meets the eye here 1274 01:06:08,548 --> 01:06:11,088 with Roger Stone parting company from the Trump campaign, 1275 01:06:11,175 --> 01:06:14,635 coming on my program and others and giving the big Trump pitch. 1276 01:06:14,721 --> 01:06:17,311 - You media types are so conspiratorial. - [laughs] 1277 01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:20,730 No. No, the Stone-Trump types, I think, are the conspiratorial. 1278 01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:21,940 Unlike... 1279 01:06:24,523 --> 01:06:29,073 Only two campaigns have a plausible path to the nomination. 1280 01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:31,362 Ours and Donald Trump's. 1281 01:06:32,071 --> 01:06:36,791 Nobody else has any mathematical possibility, whatsoever. 1282 01:06:36,868 --> 01:06:41,288 L-Y-I-N-apostrophe, lyin' Ted! 1283 01:06:41,372 --> 01:06:45,292 The Bible held high, he puts it down and then he lies. 1284 01:06:45,376 --> 01:06:49,376 Most of the time, I win the evangelical vote. 1285 01:06:49,463 --> 01:06:53,763 The evangelicals, the Christians, like Donald Trump. 1286 01:06:53,843 --> 01:06:55,263 I'm a straight shooter. 1287 01:06:55,344 --> 01:06:58,524 [reporter] After a crushing 13-point defeat in Wisconsin, 1288 01:06:58,598 --> 01:06:59,808 Trump turned a page, 1289 01:06:59,891 --> 01:07:02,731 sidelining campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. 1290 01:07:02,811 --> 01:07:05,205 [Trump] He wasn't as effective for the last couple of months. 1291 01:07:05,229 --> 01:07:07,769 [reporter] News breaking that the GOP front-runner, by the way, 1292 01:07:07,857 --> 01:07:12,197 has hired Paul Manafort to lead his campaign's convention efforts. 1293 01:07:12,278 --> 01:07:16,698 Paul Manafort, former partner of mine, the single best vote counter 1294 01:07:16,783 --> 01:07:19,953 and convention strategist in the Republican Party. 1295 01:07:20,036 --> 01:07:23,326 When Paul Manafort got publicly named, I got a phone call that day. 1296 01:07:23,414 --> 01:07:25,424 And it was Roger on the other end of the line. 1297 01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:28,879 And you know what he sang? "Back in the Saddle Again." 1298 01:07:28,962 --> 01:07:30,842 I mean, Roger knows what Roger's doing. 1299 01:07:31,590 --> 01:07:33,470 [Manafort] Trump asked me to get involved 1300 01:07:33,550 --> 01:07:36,430 because my reputation, among other things in politics, 1301 01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:39,850 is understanding of the convention process, the delegate process. 1302 01:07:39,931 --> 01:07:42,731 And most of the major successful big conventions 1303 01:07:42,809 --> 01:07:45,809 over the last 30 years, I've been intimately involved in. 1304 01:07:45,895 --> 01:07:47,765 [man] Did Roger recommend you for the job? 1305 01:07:47,856 --> 01:07:51,026 Roger was one of the two or three people who strongly recommended me, yes. 1306 01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:55,609 Even after Roger stopped being the principal political advisor to Trump, 1307 01:07:55,697 --> 01:07:57,657 he continued to be a very important advisor, 1308 01:07:57,740 --> 01:07:58,740 and is to this day. 1309 01:08:02,411 --> 01:08:03,848 [interviewer] I want to start with Roger Stone, 1310 01:08:03,872 --> 01:08:07,252 because you just launched a pro-Trump super PAC. 1311 01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:09,753 I thought, A, Donald Trump didn't like super PACs, 1312 01:08:09,836 --> 01:08:12,046 B, I thought you quit or he fired you. 1313 01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:15,720 I'm not still sure what happened there. So what the heck is this all about, Roger? 1314 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,550 Roger told me when I was very young, "Caputo," he says, [chuckles] 1315 01:08:19,638 --> 01:08:21,178 "The media is two things." 1316 01:08:21,264 --> 01:08:24,814 They're either evil or they're lazy, or they're both. 1317 01:08:24,893 --> 01:08:27,693 "And if you understand that, you can do whatever you want." 1318 01:08:33,151 --> 01:08:37,281 Yeah, I live a pretty Machiavellian life, and I'm a skeptic. 1319 01:08:37,363 --> 01:08:41,703 I tend to believe the worst of people because I understand human nature. 1320 01:08:41,785 --> 01:08:44,245 Human nature has never changed. 1321 01:08:44,328 --> 01:08:46,498 That's why one of Stone's Rules is that hate 1322 01:08:46,580 --> 01:08:48,710 is a stronger motivator than love. 1323 01:08:48,792 --> 01:08:50,332 That's because it is. 1324 01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:52,918 [Ted Cruz] The National Enquirer published a story. 1325 01:08:53,004 --> 01:08:57,634 It is a story that quoted one source on the record, Roger Stone. 1326 01:08:57,717 --> 01:09:01,137 Let me be clear. This National Enquirer story is garbage. 1327 01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:04,770 And it is a smear that has come from Donald Trump and his henchmen. 1328 01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:08,939 [Stone] One of the keys to defeating an opponent is getting inside their head. 1329 01:09:09,020 --> 01:09:12,570 He incorrectly claims that I am the source of this story 1330 01:09:12,649 --> 01:09:16,489 regarding allegations that he has been adulterous. 1331 01:09:16,569 --> 01:09:18,819 [Cruz] And I would note that Mr. Stone is a man 1332 01:09:18,905 --> 01:09:21,695 who has 50 years of dirty tricks behind him. 1333 01:09:21,783 --> 01:09:25,703 He's a man for whom a term was coined... 1334 01:09:27,246 --> 01:09:28,786 for copulating with a rodent. 1335 01:09:28,873 --> 01:09:32,003 I, of course, am quoted in this story, on the record, 1336 01:09:32,085 --> 01:09:36,205 saying that it would hurt him badly with his evangelical followers. 1337 01:09:36,297 --> 01:09:40,887 He has, as you know, attacked me on CNN... 1338 01:09:40,969 --> 01:09:44,389 Roger Stone has been Donald Trump's chief political advisor. 1339 01:09:44,472 --> 01:09:47,392 He planned and ran his presidential campaign. 1340 01:09:47,475 --> 01:09:49,595 Attacked me on Megyn Kelly. 1341 01:09:49,686 --> 01:09:54,976 His entire business has been dirty tricks, has been lies, has been personal smears. 1342 01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:58,896 These attacks on me by him and by his surrogates, 1343 01:09:58,987 --> 01:10:00,857 I find this most satisfying. 1344 01:10:00,947 --> 01:10:05,447 I hope he's laying awake at night, worrying about what I'm going to do next. 1345 01:10:06,035 --> 01:10:08,245 [Mayer] He's a little bit like the Joker in Batman. 1346 01:10:08,329 --> 01:10:10,659 I mean, he gets a kick out of doing this. 1347 01:10:10,749 --> 01:10:16,209 To some extent, his pleasure [stammers] at burning down the house 1348 01:10:16,295 --> 01:10:18,255 is infectious for people. 1349 01:10:18,339 --> 01:10:21,799 And as a reporter, you call him up because you want the outrageous quote. 1350 01:10:21,885 --> 01:10:24,545 You want, you know... You want to hear what he's gonna say. 1351 01:10:24,637 --> 01:10:27,177 He's also very plugged-in. He's in the know. 1352 01:10:27,265 --> 01:10:28,725 He talks to a million people. 1353 01:10:29,308 --> 01:10:32,308 [Stone] I just got a call from this reporter who was calling to warn me 1354 01:10:32,395 --> 01:10:35,685 that Corey is now openly telling people he's got the goods on Manafort. 1355 01:10:35,774 --> 01:10:39,694 He is telling reporters that he has something on Manafort 1356 01:10:39,778 --> 01:10:42,738 that will blow him out of the campaign. 1357 01:10:42,822 --> 01:10:44,822 Yeah, we gotta take the little prick out. 1358 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,290 I've been backgrounding reporters on what a total fucking disaster he's been. 1359 01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:55,461 And there's a story that just went up by Mike Isikoff at Yahoo 1360 01:10:55,543 --> 01:10:59,883 that dips into the whole Pakistani blah, blah, blah. 1361 01:10:59,964 --> 01:11:04,144 If you look at Manafort's long history of lobbying, 1362 01:11:04,218 --> 01:11:07,808 it is about as controversial as you can get. 1363 01:11:08,597 --> 01:11:12,187 You are as connected to the insider game 1364 01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:14,648 of, what you've even said on record yourself, 1365 01:11:14,728 --> 01:11:17,068 "influence peddling," as anybody. 1366 01:11:17,148 --> 01:11:19,688 How can you be the antidote or anything to help Trump 1367 01:11:19,776 --> 01:11:21,536 when you seem to go against his main message? 1368 01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:22,712 It depends on who you talk to 1369 01:11:22,736 --> 01:11:25,336 if I'm part of the establishment or part of the antiestablishment. 1370 01:11:25,364 --> 01:11:27,124 You better get rid of the super PACs 1371 01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,620 because they're causing a big problem with this country. 1372 01:11:30,703 --> 01:11:33,333 And a lot of bad decisions that are being made 1373 01:11:33,414 --> 01:11:36,134 for the benefit of lobbyists and special interests. 1374 01:11:36,209 --> 01:11:38,249 Donald Trump tells America the system is rigged 1375 01:11:38,336 --> 01:11:40,166 by the lobbyists and the super PAC money, 1376 01:11:40,254 --> 01:11:42,304 and who does he turn to as his top guys? 1377 01:11:42,381 --> 01:11:46,141 Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, who literally put up that rigging. 1378 01:11:46,219 --> 01:11:49,559 It's a crooked system, it's a system that's rigged, 1379 01:11:49,638 --> 01:11:53,308 and we're going to go back to the old way. It's called "You Vote and You Win." 1380 01:11:53,392 --> 01:11:56,102 Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. 1381 01:11:56,187 --> 01:12:00,067 Donald Trump is riding a crest of voter anger 1382 01:12:00,149 --> 01:12:02,529 over 30 years of failed policies. 1383 01:12:03,111 --> 01:12:07,201 Voter anger explains the entire rise of Trump. 1384 01:12:07,281 --> 01:12:08,571 [Trump] I love the old days. 1385 01:12:08,657 --> 01:12:12,037 You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? 1386 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,410 They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. 1387 01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:19,837 Go fucking make my tortilla, motherfucker, and build that fucking wall for me! 1388 01:12:20,461 --> 01:12:21,461 Trump! 1389 01:12:21,545 --> 01:12:24,625 [crowd chanting] Trump! Trump! Trump! 1390 01:12:24,715 --> 01:12:28,135 Roger Stone, he's very smart about anger. 1391 01:12:28,219 --> 01:12:30,719 It's one of the things he understands best. 1392 01:12:30,804 --> 01:12:36,314 It's angry, white working-class voters whose resentments are being milked 1393 01:12:36,394 --> 01:12:41,074 to push an agenda that's useful to some of the richest people in the country. 1394 01:12:41,149 --> 01:12:47,279 These are hardly people who are in tune with the little guy's interests. 1395 01:12:47,363 --> 01:12:51,663 Um, but they understand how to manipulate the little guy's interests. 1396 01:12:51,742 --> 01:12:53,742 - [Malzberg] Can you hear me? - Yes, I can. 1397 01:12:53,828 --> 01:12:55,538 - Can you hear me? - You're awesome. 1398 01:12:55,621 --> 01:12:57,871 Easy on the rape stuff. Let's not... 1399 01:12:57,957 --> 01:12:59,497 I'll do the best I can, but... 1400 01:12:59,584 --> 01:13:03,094 - I know, I know. Let's just, like... - Facts are facts, you know? 1401 01:13:03,171 --> 01:13:05,900 Do you believe it's too early for Trump to be bringing up Bill Clinton? 1402 01:13:05,924 --> 01:13:08,474 Should Trump save all of this 1403 01:13:08,551 --> 01:13:12,011 and wait until he's the nominee and he's running against her in the general? 1404 01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:13,096 No, I don't agree. 1405 01:13:13,181 --> 01:13:16,101 I don't think he had any choice, 'cause he didn't bring this up. 1406 01:13:16,184 --> 01:13:20,064 Hillary Clinton brought it up when she attempted to play the victim card. 1407 01:13:20,146 --> 01:13:21,866 Does he know everything that's in your book? 1408 01:13:21,940 --> 01:13:23,900 Are you giving him information at all? 1409 01:13:23,983 --> 01:13:26,573 Well, as you know, and it's been well documented, 1410 01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:29,822 she went after the women very, very strongly and very viciously, 1411 01:13:29,906 --> 01:13:32,236 according to the women and according to other sources. 1412 01:13:32,325 --> 01:13:34,695 Uh, a major book's been written about it. 1413 01:13:34,785 --> 01:13:37,745 And it's a book that's a very well-respected book. 1414 01:13:38,497 --> 01:13:42,207 [Siegel] If you read Roger's blog, The Stone Zone, or follow him on Twitter, 1415 01:13:42,293 --> 01:13:43,423 it's like coming attractions 1416 01:13:43,502 --> 01:13:46,012 for the attacks Donald Trump will be launching two weeks later. 1417 01:13:46,089 --> 01:13:49,929 It is Hillary who hires the heavy-handed private detectives 1418 01:13:50,009 --> 01:13:53,049 who break into these women's homes and ransack them, 1419 01:13:53,137 --> 01:13:56,427 who threaten their children, who kill their pets. 1420 01:13:57,016 --> 01:13:59,436 [Trump] She's married to a man 1421 01:13:59,518 --> 01:14:02,308 who was the worst abuser of women in the history of politics. 1422 01:14:02,396 --> 01:14:06,646 And Hillary was an enabler, and she treated these women horribly. 1423 01:14:06,734 --> 01:14:11,744 Roger's, you know, relationship with Trump has been so interconnected 1424 01:14:11,822 --> 01:14:14,622 that it's hard to define what's Roger and what's Donald. 1425 01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:17,370 While it'll be clearly a Trump presidency, 1426 01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:20,163 I think it's influenced by a Stone philosophy. 1427 01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:23,250 Shake-up at the Trump campaign 1428 01:14:23,334 --> 01:14:25,294 as the campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, 1429 01:14:25,378 --> 01:14:27,418 has now parted ways with the campaign. 1430 01:14:27,505 --> 01:14:30,875 [reporter] Paul Manafort taking the reins of the Trump campaign. 1431 01:14:30,967 --> 01:14:32,217 [Carlson] Well, let's see. 1432 01:14:32,301 --> 01:14:34,301 Is it a surprise that Paul Manafort 1433 01:14:34,387 --> 01:14:36,597 [chuckling] wound up as the campaign chairman for Trump? 1434 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,310 No, of course not. That was engineered by Roger 1435 01:14:39,392 --> 01:14:42,442 as a way to get Corey Lewandowski bounced out of the campaign. 1436 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,160 It took a couple months, but they did it. 1437 01:14:44,188 --> 01:14:46,318 Roger has had a guiding hand in all of this. 1438 01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:48,149 Now, Trump is hard to guide. 1439 01:14:48,234 --> 01:14:49,864 He spits the bit out. 1440 01:14:49,943 --> 01:14:52,073 You know, he doesn't want to be driven at all. 1441 01:14:52,155 --> 01:14:55,655 But Roger's had as much influence on the campaign as anyone. 1442 01:14:55,741 --> 01:14:57,661 I think the campaign's being professionalized. 1443 01:14:57,743 --> 01:14:59,953 Manafort's doing a phenomenal job. 1444 01:15:00,038 --> 01:15:02,788 I think he instills confidence in the campaign 1445 01:15:02,873 --> 01:15:04,423 that they didn't have before. 1446 01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:07,840 [man] Did you give any reporters background on Lewandowski? 1447 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,170 No. 1448 01:15:09,255 --> 01:15:11,755 [crowd chanting] Just stay silent! 1449 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,340 Just stay silent! Just stay silent! 1450 01:15:15,428 --> 01:15:17,308 Just stay silent! 1451 01:15:17,388 --> 01:15:18,718 Just stay silent! 1452 01:15:21,851 --> 01:15:23,601 [reporter] How often do you talk to him? 1453 01:15:23,686 --> 01:15:25,306 Uh, from time to time. 1454 01:15:25,396 --> 01:15:27,677 Are you an informal advisor? Would you call yourself that? 1455 01:15:27,731 --> 01:15:29,651 I'm just an FOT, Friend of Trump. 1456 01:15:30,276 --> 01:15:33,856 We need, in our country, law and order. 1457 01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:38,122 And if I'm elected president, that will happen. 1458 01:15:44,415 --> 01:15:48,125 [reporter] How real is the Dump Trump movement inside the Republican Party? 1459 01:15:48,211 --> 01:15:50,921 It's real because you've got, now, an attitude 1460 01:15:51,004 --> 01:15:53,514 within the Republican Party, at the highest levels, 1461 01:15:53,591 --> 01:15:55,261 that this would be better for the party. 1462 01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:57,643 [reporter] Discussions about cutting Trump loose 1463 01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,930 are focused on the Republican Convention. 1464 01:16:00,013 --> 01:16:04,353 Finding a way to free delegates for Trump to vote for someone else. 1465 01:16:04,435 --> 01:16:07,685 [Stone] I could see Donald Trump going to the convention in Cleveland 1466 01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:09,731 and having the nomination stolen from him. 1467 01:16:09,815 --> 01:16:14,235 So, I have set up a convention operation to try to ensure 1468 01:16:14,695 --> 01:16:18,065 that the Republican nomination is not stolen from Donald Trump. 1469 01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,287 [Trump] I'm representing a tremendous many, many millions of people. 1470 01:16:21,369 --> 01:16:23,949 I think you would have problems like you've never seen before. 1471 01:16:24,038 --> 01:16:26,748 I think bad things would happen. I think you'd have riots. 1472 01:16:26,832 --> 01:16:31,592 I have warned the public of what I believe is "the big steal." 1473 01:16:31,670 --> 01:16:33,590 We're going to have protests. 1474 01:16:33,672 --> 01:16:37,802 We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers 1475 01:16:37,885 --> 01:16:41,345 of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal. 1476 01:16:41,972 --> 01:16:46,692 [man] What about the issue of Donald Trump's hit man, Roger Stone, 1477 01:16:46,769 --> 01:16:49,269 threatening violence in Cleveland? 1478 01:16:49,355 --> 01:16:51,935 - Appropriate rhetoric? - I'm not giving him my hotel room. 1479 01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:54,654 - Okay, so do you sort of... - [stammers] 1480 01:16:54,735 --> 01:16:57,065 Roger is not an official part of the campaign. 1481 01:16:57,155 --> 01:16:59,815 - Did he bring you in? Okay. - No. In fact, not at all. 1482 01:16:59,907 --> 01:17:03,987 Roger Stone threatened yesterday that he will send Donald Trump supporters 1483 01:17:04,077 --> 01:17:06,997 to the hotel rooms of any Republican delegate 1484 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,000 who tries stealing the nomination from Trump this summer. 1485 01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:12,673 And those delegates will probably answer the door, too, 1486 01:17:12,753 --> 01:17:15,013 because they're expecting a prostitute. 1487 01:17:15,088 --> 01:17:17,048 - [audience laughing] - "Hey!" 1488 01:17:21,929 --> 01:17:23,509 [indistinct chatter] 1489 01:17:27,935 --> 01:17:29,975 - Caputo. - How are you, man? 1490 01:17:30,062 --> 01:17:31,272 - I'm good. - What's going on? 1491 01:17:31,355 --> 01:17:33,895 - Thank you. One more photo? - All right. Give 'em hell. 1492 01:17:33,982 --> 01:17:34,982 [man] Mr. Stone. 1493 01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:37,045 - How are you? - Thank you for your years of service. 1494 01:17:37,069 --> 01:17:39,569 Thank you very much. I appreciate it. That's very kind. 1495 01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:41,105 Make America great again. 1496 01:17:44,452 --> 01:17:46,702 [crowd cheering] 1497 01:17:46,787 --> 01:17:50,037 I'm very sorry, but I am not gonna do this again. 1498 01:17:50,123 --> 01:17:53,753 [reporter] Delegates were denied an opportunity to vote on the rules. 1499 01:17:53,836 --> 01:17:57,876 Some saw it as their last chance to take the nomination from Trump. 1500 01:17:57,965 --> 01:18:01,675 [crowd chanting] We want Trump! We want Trump! 1501 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,640 Trump is able to take over the Republican Party 1502 01:18:03,721 --> 01:18:07,311 because the Republican Party is a bit like the Reform Party in 2000. 1503 01:18:07,391 --> 01:18:08,931 It's become a shell. 1504 01:18:09,017 --> 01:18:11,807 When it's something which is so out of touch with its own voters, 1505 01:18:11,895 --> 01:18:16,065 someone who steps in and communicates through social media 1506 01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:19,199 straight into television, with tremendous charisma, 1507 01:18:19,278 --> 01:18:21,448 is able to steal the party. 1508 01:18:21,947 --> 01:18:23,527 One half of the Trump story 1509 01:18:23,616 --> 01:18:29,076 is the story about how one man's ego led him to take over the Republican Party. 1510 01:18:29,162 --> 01:18:33,252 The other half of the story is how the Republicans became so hollow 1511 01:18:33,334 --> 01:18:35,004 that someone could do that to them. 1512 01:18:35,085 --> 01:18:38,915 The Trump campaign is the apotheosis of Roger Stone's politics. 1513 01:18:39,006 --> 01:18:40,626 - America! - [crowd cheering] 1514 01:18:40,716 --> 01:18:44,796 [Toobin] It's the part of the Republican Party that he represents: 1515 01:18:44,887 --> 01:18:48,597 Toughness, anger, not being politically correct. 1516 01:18:48,682 --> 01:18:50,982 If you look at the crime rate in places like Chicago, 1517 01:18:51,059 --> 01:18:52,479 it's out of control, yes. 1518 01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:56,321 Trump is the law and order candidate. He does speak to the silent majority. 1519 01:18:56,399 --> 01:18:58,689 I'm here with Roger Stone, the one and only. 1520 01:18:58,776 --> 01:19:01,896 Kind of a legend in political consulting, and, I think fair to say, 1521 01:19:01,987 --> 01:19:04,777 one of the, if not the, architect of the Trump movement. 1522 01:19:04,865 --> 01:19:06,185 You've had an interesting career, 1523 01:19:06,242 --> 01:19:09,662 because you were in the kind of establishment political world 1524 01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:11,065 and you had a great career there. 1525 01:19:11,121 --> 01:19:14,921 Then you kind of went off into your Stone world for a while. 1526 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,040 And now you're back. Now you're a big deal. 1527 01:19:17,127 --> 01:19:18,457 We're now in the age of Stone. 1528 01:19:18,546 --> 01:19:20,876 I mean, I feel like it's come all the way around, 1529 01:19:20,964 --> 01:19:23,224 back to the days when you and I and Terry Dolan 1530 01:19:23,301 --> 01:19:25,431 were plotting a takedown of the establishment. 1531 01:19:25,511 --> 01:19:29,391 Then we became the establishment. Then we became antiestablishment. 1532 01:19:29,473 --> 01:19:31,523 Roger is a lot more than a dirty tricks artist. 1533 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,400 He kind of grabs that persona. It's like his pro wrestling name. 1534 01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:37,148 But in the real world of politics, he's a real strategist. 1535 01:19:37,230 --> 01:19:40,730 And I think whenever he kind of creates the dirty trickster thing for the media, 1536 01:19:40,818 --> 01:19:42,698 he's having fun, but he's slumming a little bit. 1537 01:19:42,778 --> 01:19:46,198 You're a rape denier! You're a rape denier! 1538 01:19:46,282 --> 01:19:48,662 America may be collapsing and breaking apart, 1539 01:19:48,742 --> 01:19:51,242 but Roger Stone is determined to enjoy it. 1540 01:19:51,495 --> 01:19:55,415 This for you, right here. It's "rape." It's Bill Clinton. It says "rape." 1541 01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:57,629 Okay, you know who does this kind of shirt? 1542 01:19:57,710 --> 01:19:58,750 First of all, a sick guy. 1543 01:19:58,836 --> 01:20:00,166 Get him, Stone! Come on! 1544 01:20:00,253 --> 01:20:03,383 You know who's accused in court papers of being a rapist? 1545 01:20:03,466 --> 01:20:05,256 - Donald J. Trump! - [Stone] By Jane Doe. 1546 01:20:05,343 --> 01:20:06,393 By Jane and Tiffany Doe. 1547 01:20:06,469 --> 01:20:09,009 - Jane Doe. Who's Jane Doe? - [Uygur] It's in court papers. 1548 01:20:09,096 --> 01:20:12,266 - You're a sick man, Roger Stone. - No. You're a liar. Stone-cold liar. 1549 01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:13,930 - [Uygur] You're the biggest liar. - No. 1550 01:20:14,017 --> 01:20:15,995 - You're a piece of... - [Stone] Spitzer, he's a great guy? 1551 01:20:16,019 --> 01:20:18,269 First of all, Alex, this ain't your fucking show. 1552 01:20:18,356 --> 01:20:20,476 And, Roger, it surely ain't your fucking show! 1553 01:20:20,566 --> 01:20:23,316 Blowjob! Blowjob! Blowjob! Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit! 1554 01:20:23,402 --> 01:20:26,340 You're a hatchet man. I don't know why anyone in the media takes you seriously. 1555 01:20:26,364 --> 01:20:27,882 [Stone] You're a lightweight. You don't know anything. 1556 01:20:27,906 --> 01:20:30,696 All you do is lie. You're known as the biggest liar in media. 1557 01:20:30,784 --> 01:20:32,954 - [Stone] Name the lie. - The biggest liar in media. 1558 01:20:33,036 --> 01:20:35,536 Name a lie, loser. There's nobody watching your show, dude. 1559 01:20:35,623 --> 01:20:37,883 The guy starts pointing at me and yelling like a maniac. 1560 01:20:37,958 --> 01:20:39,418 "You're a liar! A proven liar!" 1561 01:20:39,502 --> 01:20:41,962 I say, "What have I lied about?" He says, "Eliot Spitzer." 1562 01:20:42,045 --> 01:20:45,295 I said, "He didn't like hookers? He doesn't like to choke women?" 1563 01:20:45,383 --> 01:20:47,303 Don't you read the newspapers, dude?" 1564 01:20:47,385 --> 01:20:50,045 [Caputo] Roger doesn't want to be considered a sweetheart. 1565 01:20:50,137 --> 01:20:52,347 He's gonna be considered the Prince of Darkness. 1566 01:20:52,431 --> 01:20:57,601 And if he dies with that on his tombstone, I think he'll consider himself a success. 1567 01:21:19,458 --> 01:21:21,310 - [Stone] I wanted to say hello. - Hey. How are you? 1568 01:21:21,334 --> 01:21:22,634 - You remember... - [chuckling] 1569 01:21:25,673 --> 01:21:27,803 [Manafort] Roger's relationship with Trump, 1570 01:21:27,883 --> 01:21:31,013 they both see the world in a very similar way. 1571 01:21:31,094 --> 01:21:33,894 If Trump is elected president, I think Roger will see 1572 01:21:33,972 --> 01:21:37,642 one more very significant impact he's had on world history. 1573 01:21:47,445 --> 01:21:49,735 [Ivanka Trump] I could not be more proud tonight 1574 01:21:49,822 --> 01:21:52,992 to present to you and to all of America, 1575 01:21:53,659 --> 01:22:00,289 my father and our next president, Donald J. Trump. 1576 01:22:00,373 --> 01:22:02,133 [crowd cheering] 1577 01:22:13,637 --> 01:22:19,227 Friends, delegates and fellow Americans, 1578 01:22:19,309 --> 01:22:25,569 I humbly and gratefully accept your nomination 1579 01:22:25,649 --> 01:22:29,279 for the presidency of the United States. 1580 01:22:29,361 --> 01:22:34,871 [crowd chanting] USA! USA! USA! 1581 01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:38,620 I would argue that Roger Stone, after 30 years working for Donald Trump, 1582 01:22:39,246 --> 01:22:42,666 is one of his primary influences, perhaps the primary influence. 1583 01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:47,050 And to think that the guy who calls out people on Twitter like Roger does, 1584 01:22:47,129 --> 01:22:49,339 who's done the things and told the stories, 1585 01:22:49,923 --> 01:22:53,763 is actually in the catbird seat with a Republican nominee 1586 01:22:53,844 --> 01:22:55,264 is something for the record books. 1587 01:22:55,345 --> 01:22:56,925 CNN has banned Roger Stone, 1588 01:22:57,014 --> 01:22:59,274 the Republican strategist and former Trump advisor, 1589 01:22:59,349 --> 01:23:00,429 from appearing as a guest. 1590 01:23:00,518 --> 01:23:05,148 This after the discovery of his offensive tweets against CNN contributors. 1591 01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:06,610 Stone once called Ana Navarro 1592 01:23:06,690 --> 01:23:09,610 an "abusive diva" and "borderline retarded." 1593 01:23:09,693 --> 01:23:12,403 Stone also called then-contributor Roland Martin 1594 01:23:12,488 --> 01:23:15,738 a "stupid negro," a "moron" and a "token," 1595 01:23:15,824 --> 01:23:18,244 and suggested he eat more fried chicken. 1596 01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:21,156 To ban someone because you disagree with their views 1597 01:23:21,246 --> 01:23:24,036 demonstrates you're not really a news organization, 1598 01:23:24,124 --> 01:23:25,884 but you're an opinion organization. 1599 01:23:25,959 --> 01:23:29,919 CNN means Clinton News Network. 1600 01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:33,045 There are more people watching Infowars.com 1601 01:23:33,133 --> 01:23:37,103 than watching MSNBC and, at some hours, CNN combined. 1602 01:23:37,638 --> 01:23:40,308 [Alex Jones] Ladies and gentlemen, we are broadcasting worldwide. 1603 01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:45,810 Roger Stone, the consummate Trump insider, the vice-Trumpian joins us. 1604 01:23:45,896 --> 01:23:49,686 You've got Alex Jones, he's like the sort of main conspiracy theorist, 1605 01:23:49,775 --> 01:23:51,545 probably the most popular in American life now. 1606 01:23:51,569 --> 01:23:53,529 You know, Roger Stone goes on that show every day. 1607 01:23:53,612 --> 01:23:56,662 There's this crazy vortex of all that stuff back from the '90s 1608 01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:59,410 just now sort of exploding through the channel of Trump. 1609 01:23:59,492 --> 01:24:01,372 I'm never a lesser-of-two-evils person, 1610 01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:03,713 but with Hillary, there's not even the same universe. 1611 01:24:03,789 --> 01:24:07,249 I mean, she is an abject, psychopathic demon from hell. 1612 01:24:07,334 --> 01:24:08,844 [Stone] Alex Jones is very important. 1613 01:24:08,919 --> 01:24:13,049 I realize the elite media likes to call him a conspiracy theorist. 1614 01:24:13,131 --> 01:24:15,341 I don't like 'em putting chemicals in the water 1615 01:24:15,425 --> 01:24:17,585 that turns the frickin' frogs gay! 1616 01:24:18,262 --> 01:24:19,812 Do you understand that? 1617 01:24:20,514 --> 01:24:22,474 [grunting] I'm sick of this crap! 1618 01:24:22,558 --> 01:24:27,058 [Stone] He has a bully pulpit that allows him to reach millions of people, 1619 01:24:27,145 --> 01:24:28,765 and they are Trump's people. 1620 01:24:28,856 --> 01:24:31,856 They are outsiders, skeptical about government, 1621 01:24:31,942 --> 01:24:35,402 skeptical about the bullshit government is always trying to peddle you. 1622 01:24:35,487 --> 01:24:37,527 Mexico is a globalist client state. 1623 01:24:37,615 --> 01:24:39,865 And they teach 'em, "America belongs to you. 1624 01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:42,240 You're gonna get the gringo. Plan of San Diego." 1625 01:24:42,327 --> 01:24:43,367 Don't know what that is? 1626 01:24:43,453 --> 01:24:48,213 It's a plan to take over in a race war and kill all whites below the age of 16. 1627 01:24:48,291 --> 01:24:52,671 Sure it's a non-elitist crowd, but they're Americans and they vote. 1628 01:24:52,754 --> 01:24:56,724 Tell us, Mr. Trump, about Mr. Stone, who helped get this interview set up. 1629 01:24:57,134 --> 01:24:59,854 Well, Roger's a good guy, and he is a patriot. 1630 01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:02,008 He's a tough cookie, but people like him. 1631 01:25:02,097 --> 01:25:04,467 But he's been so loyal and so wonderful. 1632 01:25:04,557 --> 01:25:08,727 And thank God for the Breitbarts and the Daily Callers 1633 01:25:08,812 --> 01:25:11,822 and the Townhalls and the Infowars.com 1634 01:25:11,899 --> 01:25:16,819 and the so many alternative media sites where we can learn the truth 1635 01:25:16,904 --> 01:25:21,374 and we can tell the truth and we can spread the truth. 1636 01:25:21,449 --> 01:25:24,329 This is not conservatism as we have known it. 1637 01:25:24,411 --> 01:25:27,211 This is not Republicanism as we have known it. 1638 01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,080 These are racist ideas, race-baiting ideas, 1639 01:25:31,168 --> 01:25:34,758 anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-women. 1640 01:25:34,838 --> 01:25:41,678 All key tenets making up the emerging racist ideology known as the alt-right. 1641 01:25:41,762 --> 01:25:45,722 I think Trump should get more, you know, more, quote, "conspiratorial." 1642 01:25:45,808 --> 01:25:47,688 We created ISIS. 1643 01:25:47,768 --> 01:25:52,558 The vacuum created by George W. Bush and then Hillary Clinton armed ISIS. 1644 01:25:52,648 --> 01:25:57,778 ISIS is honoring President Obama. 1645 01:25:57,861 --> 01:26:01,821 He is the founder of ISIS. He's the founder of ISIS. 1646 01:26:01,907 --> 01:26:04,197 I would say the cofounder 1647 01:26:04,284 --> 01:26:09,044 would be Crooked Hillary Clinton, cofounder. 1648 01:26:09,122 --> 01:26:12,462 I think it's whatever Roger Stone e-mails Donald Trump in the middle of the night. 1649 01:26:12,542 --> 01:26:14,646 - He wakes up, and that's their strategy. - That's right. 1650 01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:15,800 [coughing] Excuse me. 1651 01:26:19,174 --> 01:26:21,974 So go online and put down "Hillary Clinton illness." 1652 01:26:22,052 --> 01:26:23,642 Take a look at the videos for yourself. 1653 01:26:23,721 --> 01:26:27,471 This fringe allegation that Hillary Clinton is not well, 1654 01:26:27,557 --> 01:26:29,887 her health isn't good, is something that we're seeing 1655 01:26:29,977 --> 01:26:31,767 more and more with Donald Trump supporters. 1656 01:26:31,854 --> 01:26:33,707 Some of the Breitbart readers have brought it up. 1657 01:26:33,731 --> 01:26:36,071 Also, Roger Stone has been talking about it. 1658 01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:38,819 She's got no stamina. I think it's abundantly clear. 1659 01:26:38,902 --> 01:26:42,912 She doesn't have the strength or the stamina 1660 01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:46,620 to make America great again. Believe me. 1661 01:26:47,285 --> 01:26:49,285 The people behind Trump's candidacy, 1662 01:26:49,371 --> 01:26:53,041 including Giuliani, including Roger Ailes, including Roger Stone, 1663 01:26:53,125 --> 01:26:57,545 including his so-called brain trust, believe this stuff works. 1664 01:26:59,339 --> 01:27:01,469 [Labash] Now the children's table is the adult table. 1665 01:27:01,549 --> 01:27:04,849 And Alex Jones is, you know, passing the dinner rolls. 1666 01:27:04,928 --> 01:27:07,388 And we're all conspiracy America now. 1667 01:27:07,472 --> 01:27:08,772 [Stone] Thank you. 1668 01:27:08,849 --> 01:27:12,019 Even if Donald Trump loses, I still win, 1669 01:27:12,102 --> 01:27:15,272 because the Stone brand has been front and center, 1670 01:27:15,355 --> 01:27:19,225 and my brand of politics have finally come into their own. 1671 01:27:19,317 --> 01:27:22,567 CNN, MSNBC, they're now the fringe. 1672 01:27:22,654 --> 01:27:26,664 Alt-right communications, we are the mainstream. 1673 01:27:26,742 --> 01:27:32,002 Did Trump really believe that Obama was not born in the United States? 1674 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:38,550 Does Roger Stone really believe that Bill Clinton raped all these women? 1675 01:27:38,628 --> 01:27:41,798 You know, it doesn't matter to them is more the point. 1676 01:27:41,882 --> 01:27:45,222 It's their tactic in the political wars. 1677 01:27:45,302 --> 01:27:50,392 And for them, there are no boundaries. Anything goes. Anything that wins, fine. 1678 01:27:50,473 --> 01:27:55,273 [reporter 1] Today, WikiLeaks releasing 1,700 new stolen e-mails. 1679 01:27:55,353 --> 01:27:58,153 [reporter 2] The Clinton campaign is accusing a top Trump advisor 1680 01:27:58,231 --> 01:28:01,231 of scheming with WikiLeaks and Russian intelligence 1681 01:28:01,318 --> 01:28:03,068 against Hillary Clinton. 1682 01:28:03,153 --> 01:28:07,123 I, actually, have communicated with Assange. 1683 01:28:07,950 --> 01:28:10,330 I believe the next tranche of his documents 1684 01:28:10,410 --> 01:28:12,700 pertain to the Clinton Foundation. 1685 01:28:12,788 --> 01:28:15,498 Have you spoken with the WikiLeaks founder? 1686 01:28:15,582 --> 01:28:18,002 No, I have not spoken to Mr. Assange, 1687 01:28:18,085 --> 01:28:20,955 I have not met with Mr. Assange, and I never said I had. 1688 01:28:21,046 --> 01:28:23,086 [reporter] House Democrats now saying in Washington, 1689 01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:25,551 "Let's investigate Roger Stone's ties to the Russians." 1690 01:28:25,633 --> 01:28:29,723 Has the FBI interviewed Roger Stone about his communications with Julian Assange, 1691 01:28:29,805 --> 01:28:32,845 or his knowledge of how WikiLeaks got these illegally obtained documents? 1692 01:28:32,933 --> 01:28:34,313 I can't comment on that. 1693 01:28:34,392 --> 01:28:36,482 [Stone] Only Mr. Assange knows what he's going to do. 1694 01:28:36,561 --> 01:28:39,611 Now, I think he's a hero, fighting the deep state, 1695 01:28:39,689 --> 01:28:42,319 taking on both the Republicans and the Democrats. 1696 01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,400 Taking on the establishment, really. 1697 01:28:44,486 --> 01:28:46,166 [reporter] Law enforcement sources tell CNN 1698 01:28:46,238 --> 01:28:49,028 that the FBI has been conducting multiple investigations 1699 01:28:49,116 --> 01:28:53,446 and it continues to examine allegations against Roger Stone, a Trump supporter, 1700 01:28:53,536 --> 01:28:55,956 about possible connections to WikiLeaks. 1701 01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:58,209 Those probes include a year-long investigation 1702 01:28:58,291 --> 01:29:00,291 of Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort 1703 01:29:00,377 --> 01:29:04,507 and his firm and their alleged ties to pro-Putin figures in Ukraine. 1704 01:29:04,589 --> 01:29:08,549 These cyberattacks come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, 1705 01:29:08,635 --> 01:29:11,505 and they are designed to influence our election. 1706 01:29:11,596 --> 01:29:14,846 I find that deeply disturbing, and I think it's time... 1707 01:29:14,933 --> 01:29:17,453 - She has no idea whether it's Russia... - you take a stand... 1708 01:29:17,477 --> 01:29:18,767 China, or anybody else. 1709 01:29:18,854 --> 01:29:22,654 - I'm not quoting myself. I'm quoting 17... - Hillary, you have no idea. 1710 01:29:22,732 --> 01:29:25,652 [Stone] The Clinton thugs, they're the ones saying, 1711 01:29:25,735 --> 01:29:29,525 "Donald Trump is a traitor to his country, in bed with Vladimir Putin," 1712 01:29:29,614 --> 01:29:30,784 a man he's never even met. 1713 01:29:30,866 --> 01:29:32,986 Russia, if you're listening, 1714 01:29:33,076 --> 01:29:39,166 I hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. 1715 01:29:39,249 --> 01:29:42,039 It's the low road in American politics. 1716 01:29:42,127 --> 01:29:47,667 They have unabashedly embraced the toughest tactics you can take. 1717 01:29:47,757 --> 01:29:50,677 And you can see it in Roger Stone, and you can see it in Trump. 1718 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,390 I mean, no boundaries to what they would do. 1719 01:29:53,471 --> 01:29:55,771 They'll twist the truth if they need to. 1720 01:29:55,848 --> 01:29:57,978 They're cynical about politics. 1721 01:29:58,060 --> 01:30:01,060 They think people who take the high road 1722 01:30:01,146 --> 01:30:05,356 or who try to act virtuously are chumps. 1723 01:30:05,442 --> 01:30:07,902 The Trump campaign's latest reboot now underway. 1724 01:30:07,986 --> 01:30:10,566 Two new top officials who Trump is bringing in. 1725 01:30:10,655 --> 01:30:13,325 Pollster Kellyanne Conway as campaign manager, 1726 01:30:13,408 --> 01:30:18,368 and Breitbart News honcho Steve Bannon to be Trump's new campaign CEO. 1727 01:30:18,455 --> 01:30:21,575 Sources say Manafort is being, quote, "sidelined." 1728 01:30:21,666 --> 01:30:24,206 Another bombshell from the Trump campaign today. 1729 01:30:24,294 --> 01:30:27,974 The resignation of the embattled campaign chairman Paul Manafort, 1730 01:30:28,048 --> 01:30:30,088 amid a wave of bad headlines 1731 01:30:30,175 --> 01:30:33,715 and growing questions about Manafort's connections to Russia. 1732 01:30:33,803 --> 01:30:37,143 Also added to the team is the disgraced Fox News chief Roger Ailes, 1733 01:30:37,224 --> 01:30:40,644 and also Roger Stone, who is a political operative. 1734 01:30:40,727 --> 01:30:45,107 Roger Ailes, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, they play rough. 1735 01:30:45,190 --> 01:30:48,150 Bannon is a bomb thrower in the Stone mold. 1736 01:30:48,235 --> 01:30:51,775 Somebody I like enormously. He's got guts. 1737 01:30:51,863 --> 01:30:54,623 He understands new media in a way that 1738 01:30:54,699 --> 01:30:57,329 I think no one else in the Trump campaign did. 1739 01:30:57,410 --> 01:31:00,910 He understands the fine points of the Clinton oeuvre, if you will. 1740 01:31:00,998 --> 01:31:03,918 Uh, he has republished all of my toughest material 1741 01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:07,091 from The Clintons' War on Women at Breitbart News. 1742 01:31:07,170 --> 01:31:09,130 So he understands the enemy 1743 01:31:09,214 --> 01:31:11,884 better than, perhaps, anybody else in the Trump campaign. 1744 01:31:11,966 --> 01:31:15,426 And like Donald Trump, he's fearless. 1745 01:31:15,512 --> 01:31:18,562 He's tough as nails. He's driven. 1746 01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,310 Uh, I think he's the campaign's secret weapon at this point. 1747 01:31:22,394 --> 01:31:25,234 Good evening, everybody. It is now established, 1748 01:31:25,313 --> 01:31:29,533 this is indeed the dirtiest presidential campaign in modern history. 1749 01:31:29,609 --> 01:31:31,529 [reporter] The last four weeks of the campaign, 1750 01:31:31,611 --> 01:31:33,911 Roger Stone said it's going to be brutal. 1751 01:31:33,988 --> 01:31:37,578 Earlier today, the Washington Post released audio of Donald Trump from 2005. 1752 01:31:40,995 --> 01:31:42,705 [woman] Kind of relevant to people 1753 01:31:42,789 --> 01:31:46,919 whether their future president happens to also be a sexist pig. 1754 01:31:47,001 --> 01:31:50,091 [reporter 2] A new poll reveals how much that tape of Donald Trump 1755 01:31:50,172 --> 01:31:51,922 is hurting his poll numbers. 1756 01:31:52,006 --> 01:31:56,466 Breitbart and Roger Stone are in Donald Trump's head 1757 01:31:56,553 --> 01:31:59,183 telling him, "You need to go all-out scorched-earth." 1758 01:31:59,264 --> 01:32:03,444 Bill Clinton sexually assaulted innocent women, 1759 01:32:03,518 --> 01:32:08,108 and Hillary Clinton attacked those women viciously. 1760 01:32:08,190 --> 01:32:12,490 I expect in the fall that many of these women will be speaking out. 1761 01:32:12,569 --> 01:32:17,199 Bill Clinton raped me, and Hillary Clinton threatened me. 1762 01:32:17,282 --> 01:32:20,162 [reporter] Kathy Shelton was paid $2,500 in May 1763 01:32:20,243 --> 01:32:22,623 by a pro-Trump super PAC run by Roger Stone. 1764 01:32:22,704 --> 01:32:27,584 If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse. Mine are words and his was action. 1765 01:32:27,667 --> 01:32:31,297 After the most recent debate, Clinton leads 49 to 41. 1766 01:32:31,379 --> 01:32:34,259 You've got Roger Stone running out there saying that the system is rigged 1767 01:32:34,340 --> 01:32:36,318 and that there'll be revolution and blood in the streets. 1768 01:32:36,342 --> 01:32:39,972 It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump 1769 01:32:40,054 --> 01:32:42,974 is not in charge of the law in our country. 1770 01:32:43,057 --> 01:32:45,267 - Because you'd be in jail. - [audience clamoring] 1771 01:32:45,352 --> 01:32:47,652 [reporter] FBI director James Comey announced 1772 01:32:47,729 --> 01:32:51,069 the bureau is renewing its investigation into her personal e-mail server. 1773 01:32:51,149 --> 01:32:53,239 [Trump] Crooked Hillary Clinton. 1774 01:32:53,318 --> 01:32:55,318 It's not clear if the tightening in the polls stems 1775 01:32:55,362 --> 01:32:58,952 from FBI director James Comey's widely condemned disclosure. 1776 01:32:59,031 --> 01:33:01,661 Donald Trump has taken this country to the brink. 1777 01:33:01,743 --> 01:33:05,463 And tomorrow, voters are likely to take it back. 1778 01:33:13,796 --> 01:33:17,256 [reporter 1] Good morning to you. 576 days campaigning, 1779 01:33:17,342 --> 01:33:19,722 more than 280 campaign events 1780 01:33:19,802 --> 01:33:22,722 and now this historic day is finally here. 1781 01:33:22,805 --> 01:33:25,765 Hillary Clinton calls this election the test of our time. 1782 01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:28,690 [reporter 2] In Rochester, New York, dozens put "I voted" stickers 1783 01:33:28,770 --> 01:33:31,230 on the grave of suffragist Susan B. Anthony 1784 01:33:31,314 --> 01:33:34,324 on the day the first woman nominee for president 1785 01:33:34,401 --> 01:33:36,441 with a major party was on the ballot. 1786 01:33:36,528 --> 01:33:38,881 We're looking at the first woman president of the United States. 1787 01:33:38,905 --> 01:33:41,115 Aren't you excited for the first female president? 1788 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:42,909 - No! - I am. 1789 01:33:42,992 --> 01:33:45,372 We can't go for Crooked Clinton. We can't go for her. 1790 01:33:45,453 --> 01:33:47,765 If Hillary Clinton can run for president, can you do anything? 1791 01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:48,829 Yeah. 1792 01:33:48,915 --> 01:33:51,165 [reporter] Hillary Clinton is favored to win today. 1793 01:33:51,251 --> 01:33:54,091 The polls have all shown her ahead by four points or so. 1794 01:33:54,171 --> 01:33:57,261 I'm not fatalist. I just see them with CNN, ABC, 1795 01:33:57,340 --> 01:33:59,050 all about how Hillary's gonna win all day. 1796 01:33:59,133 --> 01:34:00,986 And I see they're pre-scripting she's gonna win. 1797 01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:02,720 They're very hopeful. They're optimistic. 1798 01:34:02,804 --> 01:34:07,354 A glass ceiling they're hoping to, symbolically, burst through tonight. 1799 01:34:07,434 --> 01:34:10,904 Super excited. I wanna make sure that I'm here to experience history. 1800 01:34:10,978 --> 01:34:14,478 What we see from the early returns is that her ground game has really delivered. 1801 01:34:14,566 --> 01:34:17,066 Let me tell you this, it is Florida, Florida, Florida. 1802 01:34:17,151 --> 01:34:20,281 [reporter] Donald Trump has taken the lead in Florida. 1803 01:34:20,363 --> 01:34:23,833 [Stone] I talked to some of my colleagues in Trump Tower just a few minutes ago. 1804 01:34:23,908 --> 01:34:26,408 There's a little optimism here. 1805 01:34:26,494 --> 01:34:28,472 No one thought it was gonna be this close at this point. 1806 01:34:28,496 --> 01:34:29,706 Trump can still win this. 1807 01:34:29,789 --> 01:34:31,099 [reporter] We have another state to project. 1808 01:34:31,123 --> 01:34:32,253 It is North Carolina. 1809 01:34:32,334 --> 01:34:34,254 Battleground state. It's going to Donald Trump. 1810 01:34:34,336 --> 01:34:36,126 I was actually ready to go to bed, 1811 01:34:36,213 --> 01:34:39,013 uh, then I started seeing the Electoral College come in, 1812 01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:40,550 and I'm, like, super psyched. 1813 01:34:40,633 --> 01:34:43,723 This is going to be a very close election. 1814 01:34:43,803 --> 01:34:46,313 [Stone] I'm seeing these late-breaking trends. 1815 01:34:46,389 --> 01:34:50,889 This could hand Trump the presidency. Folks, this is not, by any means, over. 1816 01:34:50,977 --> 01:34:55,437 I think there's some real jitters setting in at Clinton headquarters right now. 1817 01:34:55,523 --> 01:34:59,653 Wolf, the scene here is so different than it was a few hours ago 1818 01:34:59,736 --> 01:35:01,896 when people were happy and relaxed. 1819 01:35:01,988 --> 01:35:03,778 This is most unexpected. 1820 01:35:03,865 --> 01:35:08,075 It certainly is a huge, huge surprise to so many people out there... 1821 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,830 [Todd] I think we all thought it couldn't happen, 1822 01:35:10,913 --> 01:35:13,963 that he couldn't do what he did. And guess what? 1823 01:35:14,041 --> 01:35:15,791 He may just do it. 1824 01:35:15,877 --> 01:35:20,337 [man] Donald Trump has taken the lead. He has 216 electoral votes. 1825 01:35:20,423 --> 01:35:22,235 The beginning of the end for Hillary Clinton's campaign. 1826 01:35:22,259 --> 01:35:23,861 [man] He's pulling ahead of Hillary Clinton. 1827 01:35:23,885 --> 01:35:24,885 You see it there, 222... 1828 01:35:24,969 --> 01:35:29,139 a number of groups who are likely feeling real fear right now. 1829 01:35:29,223 --> 01:35:31,023 You've got women, immigrants, 1830 01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:33,400 who have been threatened by Donald Trump with deportation. 1831 01:35:33,478 --> 01:35:35,398 How do I explain this to my children? 1832 01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:38,690 I have Muslim friends who are texting me tonight, 1833 01:35:38,775 --> 01:35:40,605 saying, "Should I leave the country?" 1834 01:35:40,693 --> 01:35:42,533 America is crying tonight. 1835 01:35:42,612 --> 01:35:46,622 I'm not sure how much of America, but a very, very significant portion. 1836 01:35:46,699 --> 01:35:48,539 And I mean literally crying. 1837 01:35:48,618 --> 01:35:50,448 [cheering] 1838 01:35:50,537 --> 01:35:52,577 [crowd chanting] Trump! Trump! Trump! 1839 01:35:52,664 --> 01:35:55,004 [reporter 1] This is a very unexpected turn, 1840 01:35:55,082 --> 01:35:59,632 and now, his crowd here is saying, "President Trump, President Trump," 1841 01:35:59,712 --> 01:36:02,212 and there is vast celebration going on here. 1842 01:36:02,299 --> 01:36:05,219 [reporter 2] Donald Trump will be the 45th president of the United States. 1843 01:36:05,552 --> 01:36:07,142 Ah, yeah. 1844 01:36:07,220 --> 01:36:09,220 [woman] The basket of deplorables has arrived. 1845 01:36:09,306 --> 01:36:10,886 [cheering] 1846 01:36:11,557 --> 01:36:13,597 [man] People have talked about a miracle. 1847 01:36:14,436 --> 01:36:16,346 I'm hearing about a nightmare. 1848 01:36:16,437 --> 01:36:19,267 [crowd chanting] USA! USA! 1849 01:36:19,357 --> 01:36:22,857 [woman] This is your life now. This is us. This is our country. 1850 01:36:32,829 --> 01:36:34,329 [Stone] Stone's Rule. 1851 01:36:34,414 --> 01:36:36,714 "Past is fucking prologue." 1852 01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:41,590 "Silent majority," "the forgotten Americans." 1853 01:36:41,671 --> 01:36:44,131 "I am the candidate of law and order." 1854 01:36:50,930 --> 01:36:54,770 It's not me who found this trend. It's those who went before me. 1855 01:36:54,851 --> 01:36:58,861 I just saw Trump's ability to utilize it to become president. 1856 01:37:00,648 --> 01:37:05,028 This is the manifestation of a dream I've had since 1988. 1857 01:37:05,111 --> 01:37:08,781 And I've always thought Donald Trump had the size and the courage and the balls 1858 01:37:08,865 --> 01:37:10,615 to become president of the United States. 1859 01:37:16,038 --> 01:37:19,668 We're in the age of Stone because the change in our politics, 1860 01:37:19,751 --> 01:37:24,381 the rough-and-tumble cutthroat politics, the slash-and-burn of what was just 1861 01:37:24,464 --> 01:37:28,684 probably the dirtiest, nastiest campaign in American political history, 1862 01:37:29,260 --> 01:37:30,760 are now in vogue. 1863 01:37:33,515 --> 01:37:36,675 [man] What message would you have for the viewers of this film 1864 01:37:36,768 --> 01:37:39,268 who will loathe you when the credits roll? 1865 01:37:40,021 --> 01:37:42,191 I revel in your hatred, 1866 01:37:42,273 --> 01:37:44,943 because if I weren't effective, you wouldn't hate me. 1867 01:37:57,079 --> 01:38:01,959 [crowd chanting] Equal rights! Equal rights! 171132

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