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Hello, my dear. Hello, Sister Rhoda.

Tell me, what is the problem?

I wanted to come talk to you today because I always

thought when people talked about impure thoughts that

men always were the victim, you know, of that. And they were always the ones

with the bad, dirty thoughts.

And I never really knew.

that females could feel that way, I guess, until maybe the other day.

I've been thinking about some things.

What kind of things?

Well, I'm not sure how they would, if they're sinful or not.

If you have thoughts about another

girl, not sexual, nothing, Nothing quite like that.

But I have been thinking a lot about, you know,

spending time with her and sort of like imagining romantic things, I

guess, in my head.

Are you feeling feelings in your body when you're thinking about her?

I think I do. Sometimes I feel different than maybe just a friendship.

And that's why you're coming to me. Yes, I just wanted to know what you thought

about it. This could very well be approaching lust, and you have to nip it

the bud.

It's good that you came to me. You have to be very, very, very careful.

You have to keep your mind and your hands occupied with other things, your

skills, your craft, okay? Okay.

Stay with the book.

Mm -hmm.

Just keep busy, so I don't... Keep your mind off of her. Okay.

Keep busy, and I'll see you in class tomorrow at 3. Okay. Thank you so much,

sister.

I was just thinking about you.

How's your trip going?

Well, I miss you.

When do you get back?

I'd love to, but I can't.

I'm off to a client's home in Northern California to evaluate some art and see

what else they might want to buy from me.

They won't even be there.

Their spoiled daughter is supposed to show me around.

Now that I'm a consultant, I have to meet customers when and where they want.

But you know, I have a timeshare on the beach next weekend.

Would you like to join me?

Okay, it's a date.

Have a great time, and I'll see you next weekend.

Wow,

I love the colors.

Magnificent. Do you like it?

I'm on this too. I hate that one.

To each his own.

Yeah.

Wow,

I love this piece.

Beautiful fused glass.

I think I may know the artist. I think he's up in Tacoma.

Cool.

I wouldn't know.

All right, let's look at the rest of the house.

Okay.

Come on over here.

Wow, what a gorgeous piano.

Cool. Do you mind if I play a little?

Jeff, go ahead. My parents just got up. I don't know why they can't sleep like

this.

That was nice. You like it? Yeah. I can go to the rest of the house though.

Absolutely. I just love this piano.

It's beautiful.

I

love

the light coming through.

It's so pretty. Yeah.

Modern art pieces up here.

So many beautiful pieces.

I'm just so honored that your parents want to commission a piece of mine.

Yeah. Is this the elevator right over here? Yeah, it is.

Oh. Yep.

I had to guess. If I know Jaime and Rhonda's taste as well as I do, I knew

must have been the piece they were talking about. They said, this is the

that must stay right here. Cool.

I wouldn't know. I don't really pay attention to this stuff.

Yeah. Do you like a good scotch?

Sure. Let's go drink.

I don't really understand all this. It's a little complicated.

Well, this is how you drink good scotch.

Okay. Give me a glass.

Bring me how it's done.

Now you take a bite of cookie. Okay.

Wow. Cool.

That one.

Mmm. Oh, gooey.

Good.

Now you take a swig of scotch.

You put it in your mouth and savor it so it gets into your sinuses.

Mmm.

Wow.

Mmm.

And then you wash it down with soda.

Mmm. You taste the chocolate.

Oh my gosh.

That's so good. You're right. Now you know how to do a good scotch. That is

absolutely the way to drink scotch. How have I never known this? And then you

wait like 60 seconds and you do it again.

All right. Is the 60 seconds up yet?

No, you want to wait a minute.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Are you sure we should drink some more or are you going to tell your parents?

Dude, you never tell your parents anything.

You treat them like they're snakes.

It's my sister, Jordan.

Hi.

Does Dad know you're drinking his gotcha again? He's going to kick your ass.

Don't worry. I put apple juice in it. He never knows.

You're going to be in so much trouble.

Go. Just get out of here. Leave us alone.

Whatever.

My sister's a bitch.

Sorry.

Okay. You like a cookie?

Yeah.

Have you ever seen a strap -on before?

Yeah. My sister Jordan has one. Really? I'm going to show it to you.

Okay. Do you have enough cookies?

Mm -hmm.

Mm. Oh.

So good.

This is Jordan's Jeff -on.

And I know she's, like, really good with it because a couple times a week your

girl's really noisy up here.

Really? Really.

Yeah, and my friend Chuck says she has a video of donkey sex.

If you're going to talk about me, at least talk about me behind my back.

Where are you going? To go watch a donkey sex video?

Oh. Oh.

I was getting in bed.

Oh my gosh, that's so funny. You know, like, a week ago, my mom was, like,

really mad at Jordan because there was, like, blood all over the seat.

And I know she had, like, this really young girl.

I don't think she was a virgin, but I told mom they were just really rough.

Oh!

Yeah.

Oh my gosh. Yeah.

And another time, like, a couple days ago,

She had the bed soaked because she had some girl that squirted all over it. And

I had to help her change it over because mom would have really been mad at her.

We had to flip the bed over.

It was soaked.

Wow. That's getting a lot of action, huh?

Yeah. Have you ever sucked a cock before?

Um, maybe.

You want to try it?

Um, sure.

Bite it.

Bite it? Bite it. I want to see you bite it.

You look good with a cock in your mouth. Yeah? Just kidding.

Yeah, it kind of doesn't taste so good. It's kind of ugly.

I like dark pussy lips.

Yeah? Yeah.

I think that's nice pussy lips.

I want to teach you how to kiss.

Teach me how to kiss? Yeah.

Good way to do it, though, is with your top off.

Oh. Yeah. Take it off.

Okay.

You're going to teach me how to kiss, huh?

Yeah. Okay.

Come on, take it off.

You have nice boobs.

I don't like it.

I don't know.

I had no bra on.

I won't eat it very much longer.

Thank you.

um

Bye.

Watch this.

I can't wait.

Let's see this other one.

That's what you're gonna do.

Uh -huh.

So good.

Um...

Hi Hayden, how are you?

I'm good, how are you?

I'm great.

So I'm glad you joined the church choir.

Yes, it's so fun. I love being here. It's great.

Awesome. So tell me a little bit more about yourself. Why did you join the

choir?

I just like the feeling that I get being around all these people, all the

positive energy, and it's just a good outlet for me, I think.

That's great.

Yeah. So tell me a little bit about yourself.

What do you want to do with your life? Do you have a career choice or anything

going on in your life?

I do, actually. Well, like, you know, as you know, my parents getting a divorce,

you know, that's all. I've heard about that. I'm really sorry.

Yeah, it's fine. They're just, they kind of keep themselves, and I do my own

thing, which is whatever.

So I've been doing a lot more, like, looking, like, where am I going after

school and stuff like that.

And I'm actually doing beauty school, so I'm thinking about doing that. Oh,

beauty school. Oh, that's nice.

Very nice. So I'm just working hard, you know, trying to just be okay until I

can get in there.

Right. Wow. What makes you interested in beauty school?

Actually,

I was going to be a counselor about that, just to

see, because when I do a girl's hair and, like, just the feeling of it and

touching her, it's...

A little more than just, like, just hair, you know? So I

was thinking about talking to a counselor about those feelings to see if

were okay. A counselor at school?

Or a beauty school counselor?

Or, like, you know, I don't understand. Tell me more.

Just, like, somebody that, you know.

listens and can say whether or not it's a problem or not because um yeah I

see and with your parents and the divorce I'm I'm sure that it's got to be

for you it is and uh it just it's made me think you know there's been a

few things that's happened lately that just have made me think that I'm a

bit different than other people like what like um

Well, you know that dance that's coming up? You know, the semi -formal? Well,

there's this guy that I went out with a few months ago.

Didn't really like him, but everyone's like, for him. He asked me to do this

dance, and they're all like, oh my god, you know, great.

But I don't really want to go with him.

Why not?

I'm not interested in guys.

I don't want to be around him and stuff like that.

Are you more involved in your studies, or is he just, like, not your type of

that you're looking for?

Well, I think I'm looking... I would rather go with somebody that's not a

Like?

Like, I would rather... Would you rather go with a girl?

Yeah. I feel more comfortable with girls.

Oh. So...

Well, do you have a lot of friends?

Yeah. Do you have somebody in mind, a girlfriend in mind that you want to go

with?

One of my girlfriends, Jenny, I really like her.

Awesome. Yeah. So you've known each other for a long time?

Yeah, we've been together since like sixth grade. We've been best friends.

That's awesome. So what kind of relationship do you have with her?

Right now it's like normal.

We just do girl things like nail parties, you know, makeup parties, you

those things. That's probably why you like beauty school so much.

Yes.

That's what first got me interested in it. But I just, like, when,

you know, when you do those kind of parties and, like, you start with the

like, you give massages and stuff.

I don't know. I haven't actually.

I've never been to beauty school and I've never actually, you know.

Like, part of it is the masseuse program and everything.

Mm -hmm.

Me and Jenny, like, take it a little further than just massage.

Like, we... I like... We, like, do frontal massages and stuff.

And I know everyone looks so down on this and stuff. And I was actually,

Trying to see if I heard about this program that you guys have.

It's like a DU programming program.

Oh. Yeah. I was thinking about. I see. I see.

Yeah. I see.

It's okay. You can talk to me about this.

Because a lot of people, they get really weird.

I understand that.

Well, have you thought about whether you just.

Interested in girls more or less for a girl -girl bonding situation.

See, there's different types of relationships between females.

There's definitely being a lesbian, 100%, and knowing that you like sexual

intimate contact with a woman.

And then there's other relationships that are just bonding and very close

friendship.

Hugs and...

and things like that, holding hands, going shopping, and getting your nails

done, and possibly massage. I don't know a lot about massage because I don't get

massages from women, so I don't have that kind of closeness. That's just not

But, yeah, we do have that program at church.

Is that why you were thinking of being a counselor in that area? Yeah.

Okay, here's the thing.

I think maybe you should figure out before... Well, let

me ask you this. Do you want to go into the deprogramming program at church to

see if you're a lesbian or not?

Well, I already have this feeling that I want to basically be one of my

girlfriend's boyfriend.

I want to be the person that makes them feel good.

I see. So I'm pretty sure, and I'm okay with it, but it just

seems like everyone else isn't.

So just to make society happy, I just want to go through this.

Right.

Okay, well, our pastor, he spends a lot of money and a lot of time.

on this deprogramming. So I don't want to waste his time.

But maybe you should find out more about your feelings and you should explore a

little bit before you just jump right into the program.

Now, I'm very familiar with the program because I do help out, so I'm glad that

you trust me enough to come to me.

I could feel the hesitation in your voice, and I know that it makes you feel

very uncomfortable, but it's okay.

You can tell me anything, and it won't go any further than this house.

I promise you that.

But I think you really need to decide before you jump into the program, as I

saying, whether you need the program or not, because maybe it's just the female

bonding thing. I mean, maybe this is just, I mean, you're young, so I'm sure

kinds of thoughts are going through your head.

If you would like, we could go in one of the other rooms in the house.

Nobody here, of course you know everybody else has left, and I'm not

company or anything. Actually, my friend just called, so I was actually on my

way out the door with some important church business, but I feel that it's

important for me to give my time to you right now.

So I'll put that off, and we can go in one of the other rooms, and I can sit

down, and I can show you what I'm talking about, the difference between a

bonding relationship and being a lesbian, because you might not be a

so heavy petting and things like that. We just need to explore that to find out

what's deep inside.

I don't know if I'm comfortable enough to do that.

You know what? If you get uncomfortable in the situation, then we can stop.

But you're going to have to go through this in the program.

At church.

So this is kind of like preparing you for what you're going to be around.

And there's a lot of people in the class already.

So this is more of a private situation.

And, you know, like I said, if you're uncomfortable at all, then, you know, we

can stop.

But I just, I really don't want to waste the pastor's time. Like I said, he puts

a lot of effort into this program. And you might not need it at all.

I understand.

Okay. You can do that.

Okay. You want to take your water with you? Yeah.

I think I have an empty room down the hall, so we'll go there. Okay.

Yeah.

So you seem a little nervous.

A little.

It's okay. Don't worry.

Everything will be fine.

We're just going to really see if you need to see the pastor or not.

Well, tell me about your little friend. Did you kiss your little friend?

Yeah, we made out a few times.

Really? How did that make you feel?

I really loved how warm and wet her tongue was, and it was so soft.

Right. Yeah, it was unbelievable.

Nice.

So explain to me, like, maybe how it made your body feel.

It kind of made, like, my whole body tingle all over, you know. And did you

give each other massages, like, frontal massages? That's what you were saying

earlier? Yeah, we got more.

Like, instead of the standard massage, we were more sensual about it.

And just really, like, soft touches, you know.

Right. Yeah.

So, um, maybe you could show me.

Um, how we were massaging?

Yeah.

Yeah, because maybe that's going to be able to get your feelings out more.

You know, get your emotions kind of stirred up. And then I'm going to be

tell. You know, I'm going to be able to tell how you're feeling inside and what

this relationship.

I think the relationship that you have with your little friend, I think

depending on whether she stimulated you or not, is really, really going to tell

us something.

Okay.

So I'm trying to think of how we should do this.

I really want you to be comfortable.

Mm -hmm.

That's okay.

You know what? You have so much on your mind with your parents and all that

stuff, and you don't need to worry about anything.

This is a very safe environment.

Okay? Okay.

You all right?

Mm -hmm. Okay.

So let's start with, well, not to make you too uncomfortable.

I will actually take my top down, and you can show me how you guys massaged

other, your little friend.

Okay? Okay.

Okay, open your hand.

Just show me what she did.

You're shaking.

It's okay, sweetheart.

It really is.

How does that make you feel?

Nervous. Yeah.

What about physically?

It's like a warming feeling.

Yeah.

I'm a little uncomfortable with those straps.

There, like that.

May I try on you?

Because I need to see how you feel when you touch me and then how

you feel when I touch you.

Okay.

I feel like, well, I had

plans tonight, but I think that you're more important and your well -being is

more important than my plans.

So I want you to know that.

Let me take your arm out of the sleeve because the sleeve gets kind of tight on

your arms.

There.

What do you think about when I touch you like this?

That it feels good.

Yeah? Yeah.

Very beautiful breath.

Thank you.

Is this how she massaged you?

Yeah.

What are you thinking about right now?

Does it turn you on?

In a sexual way?

And boys don't make you feel this way?

Yeah.

I think you

should...

Are you nervous?

Are you too nervous to do that to me?

I'll try.

Okay.

No, take my strap down.

Can you help me?

Don't touch my back.

Do you like that?

Yeah.

It was really nice.

I think you'd be good in beauty school.

At least in the massage part.

You do a really good job.

Does that make you...

Feel wet down below?

Yeah, it makes me turned on.

And what is turned on to you? What does that mean?

The graphics? Okay.

It's like, um... See, it's hotter.

Hotter? Mhm.

Like warm tingles in the face.

Yeah? Yeah.

Okay, good.

And did your friend touch you down there?

Yeah.

Wow. You guys went pretty far, didn't you?

Yeah.

This is definitely bonding between a woman and a woman.

May I touch you down there to see how it feels?

You look very uncomfortable the way you're sitting, so why don't we take

shirt off and your skirt, and I'll take my dress off, and that way we can just,

like, be comfortable.

All right. Okay, so is that okay with you?

All right.

I'll take mine off first. You just be there, because I want to see how the

undressing makes you feel.

All right. Okay.

This. You turned on looking at me?

Yeah.

Okay, so let's pull this over your head.

You said your little friend's name is Jane?

Yeah.

Maybe one day you can even find her.

Maybe two of you can show me what

you did.

But for now...

They're really nice hands.

Yeah, that's better.

Do you ever kiss your little girl?

Yeah.

Where did you kiss her?

On her lips.

Yeah?

Like a little peck?

Or a little tongue?

How did you kiss her?

No. Show me.

It started like...

Why don't you get on your knees and turn around with your back to me and I'll

just pull it off.

Right there, right there.

Very wet down there.

Did your friend touch you like this yeah

Have you ever been spanked?

No.

Do you

work

out?

Does that make you tingle?

Oh, yeah.

You're really wet.

Oh.

You've got a beautiful pussy.

Did your little friend tell you that?

No.

He's so beautiful.

Feel how it...

It's

very good.

Make yourself feel good.

Let it go, just let it go.

Put your finger down.

Mwah!

Have a sweet meeting.

Thank you.

So what's so urgent that brings you guys out here today to see Pastor Michael?

Well, it's been a couple of months since Faye's been gone.

And it's been tough for a lot of people.

And I'd actually heard from Raveness that nobody's seen Bobby for a while.

And I was really worried about her because that's not like her.

And I went over to her place to check on her, and she was very down and

depressed.

And I don't want to see her ending up like Faye.

And I think one tragedy is enough.

So I don't know if you know this, but is it okay to tell Cindy,

Bobby?

because you don't know this, but she's been with several women and

she's having a hard time dealing with it in her mind.

And I thought that it would be a good idea for her to speak to Pastor Michaels

about it and to try some reprogramming. I know it didn't work for me, but that's

not to say that it couldn't work for her.

Bobby, do you want to talk to Cindy?

What got you, besides the lesbian thing, what's got you so down about, or makes

you feel so guilty about what happened to Faye?

I just,

you know, there's so much that's happened that is

partially my fault.

I participated in doing this stupid stuff with Daisy and

Dana, and now Faye's gone, and it's my

fault.

What kind of stupid stuff could have been so much your fault that would have

drove Faye to do something so drastic?

I mean, what makes you feel so guilty? Why do you feel so guilty?

Um, Daisy knew that, well, it's okay.

A while ago at, um, you know, Faye had a birthday

and I couldn't come over right away because I was babysitting, but

later I went by, um, and, uh, for the rest of the party.

And they hadn't come back from getting dinner, but Maggie was there. And so she

told me that I should just wait until they got back. And she said, oh, you

I could help her set the room up and such. So we set up sleeping

bags and stuff like that. And then she asked me, you

know, if I had ever thought about being with.

women before this is a long time ago but and i had said no and then um she like

showed me some pictures and stuff and um of you know women together

and she asked me if i liked them and you know i said yes and

so then she asked me if i'd ever kissed a girl before and i said

no and she asked if i wanted to kiss her and um I

didn't know but so she kissed me and then

after that day um you know we kind of

would kiss a lot and then um

I started you know like experimenting with other girls and then

finally you know

She and I just kind of got closer and closer, and Daisy knew this, and Daisy

like, wanted to, you know, do bad things

with, you know, that information. So she told me that I should

videotape it, and then, but then I

should videotape her and I, you know.

having sex and then i told her because i felt bad about that because it's not

right i knew that and then

they um came over one day after she

and i had uh just been together and then right

after that was when they went home and

Anyway, I just, I think it's my fault if I hadn't,

if I just said, no, I'm not interested in, you know, girls.

A lot of things happen for a lot of reasons, and this is definitely

that you've got to spend some time talking about and going through.

Unfortunately, I was just on my way out. I have another meeting with the family

to do some mediation.

The kids and alcohol and lots going on there, and I really have to get over

there to help mediate the family.

But I'd really like you to come back on Thursday around 4.

Can you come back Thursday around 4 to talk to me?

I can't make it, but... I really think it's important if you come back.

On Thursday?

You can come back, right? Come back on Thursday, and we'll see if we can get

some more sessions going for you.

Okay. Okay?

I really hate to ask you guys to run because I know you really need to talk.

thanks just for the five minutes.

We'll talk again on Thursday. I really would like to meet with you again.

Okay. Okay, Cindy, thank you.

I'm glad you came back today to talk to me.

So, what's going on?

I just... I'm just not doing good,

you know?

I tell you what's sad. What's gotten you so down lately?

I feel...

...irresponsible to face death.

I need to change my life because it's

not okay.

I feel so guilty.

Why do you feel so guilty? What makes you feel like everything

is your fault?

I know it's...

I know it's not okay for me to have these feelings of, you know, being

towards other women. And then, you know, Daisy and Dana took advantage of that.

I have actually had a lesbian affair back when I was at Divinity College.

It lasted for a while.

I kind of had those same guilty, complex, don't -know -what -to -do kind

feelings.

I met Pastor Michael, we got married, and feelings kind of subsided for a bit.

And then the desires and the want of having another woman kind of started

creeping back in.

So then I started looking at videos, watching some Muslim videos, and that

of helped for a bit.

I was able to kind of curb my desire, not take any action on it, just...

Kind of watched the videos for a while.

And when that didn't quite work for me, then the

deprogramming program, I met a lady there, and

we've had a relationship going for about the last year.

So the feelings are not quite, I don't know, don't look so shocked, but the

feelings are not quite...

so bad, but you can kind of suppress them for a while if that's what you want

do. The Bible doesn't say it's forbidden or it's taboo. It kind of really

doesn't say very much about homosexuality. So don't beat yourself up

bad about it. Everything isn't your fault. Things kind of play out and

for a reason.

But I think maybe...

If I got you those videos and you kind of watch those for a while, it might

you sort some feelings and ideas through your mind.

I don't know. I mean, shouldn't I not be encouraging this? Shouldn't I be

just make it go away somehow?

You can't quite just make it go away.

You got to kind of work through what your feelings actually are.

So I'd say maybe if you're not so sure you want to keep going with the female

thing and you want to kind of maybe see if you're really not a lesbian, if you

have other desires and you want to take it from there, watch the videos. They

help me a lot, especially in the beginning.

They really help me kind of suppress those feelings and kind of...

put things in perspective for a while until I decided kind of

what I want to do through the deprogramming portion of it.

So why don't we go up and let's get those videos.

Just let's get the videos and kind of watch them and make your determination

from there. Okay? Come on.

Okay.

will help you.

I think if you kind of watch these movies, they may kind

of help you get over some of those cravings and desires that you've had

without the impulses of acting on them. They've helped me quite a bit.

For a while, anyway.

I think you'll enjoy them.

I think they'll make you see things a little differently.

I'll put these in here. It's a good hiding place for them. Most people

I'm going to leave them in that box.

show you another one of my things that I like to keep in hiding.

That my friend and I have started to use to kind of

help things out.

But it doesn't make you quite build.

Think I guess

Very

pretty

Relax a little.

um

So beautiful out. It's awesome out here. I love it.

I love the water. It's so nice.

I could be out on the water every day.

All these boats, man.

If you want to buy a sailboat, sail off with me.

That would be so much fun.

Never to be terrible.

No reality.

Yes, leave all the drama behind.

Great.

I love it. I'm so glad you came out with me. Yeah, thanks for inviting me. I'm

having an awesome time. Good.

That's what I hope for.

Aw.

Keep your mind off things, you know. Thank you. That really helps.

Absolutely. So you never did tell me about your trip with Maggie.

Well, yeah, it was nice, you know. We had some fun. Yeah.

Did he tell you about us?

Well, I heard, I know that you guys aren't well.

Right now, I guess something about the art store.

Something happened.

She didn't go into detail.

Yeah, we had an art gallery together.

And, you know, after Faye died, unfortunately, she just kind of stopped

around. And it made things really hard on me, unfortunately, because I was

trying to, you know, take over the shop all by myself and pay the bills and do

all the work. So there's so much going on with Faye.

I know it's just a horrible thing she's going through, so I'm trying not to be

too hard on her, but I can't really change things, so I'm just trying to

with them and put on a happy face and why you're so sweet. Move forward. Yeah,

this will be fun. We'll have fun. Yeah. Forget about everything.

Yeah, forget about all of that. That'll be good.

You and I have a good time.

Water.

It tastes absolutely perfect. Wonderful.

But I'm getting really tired from warming out today. It was so much fun on

boat. Thank you so much. You're welcome.

I had so much fun. I can't wait for tomorrow.

Absolutely. I'm so glad you could come. All right. Well, I'm going to head to

bed, and I'm going to get up early.

Okay.

Bye. Bye.

Bye.

Hey. So, um, do you mind if I come in and talk for a minute?

I'm kind of lonely.

I've been alone a little bit.

Yeah?

Make you nervous I don't care

Not

not

so comfortable with this well

Look what happened.

Let's just get you nice and relaxed.

It's okay.

I don't want you to feel uncomfortable.

Just get you nice and relaxed.

How does that feel?

That's nice.

Yeah.

Feel about you feeling good.

Thanks.

You're such a beautiful girl.

Thanks, honey.

You feeling relaxed now?

A little bit.

Hmm.

It's not good.

No.

No.

It's not perfect at least.

Thank you.

I like it like

that.